Selena Gomez Cries, DeepSeek AI, AOC Insider Trading, Trump Tariffs Colombia w/ Ro Khanna | PBD Podast | Ep. 540

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick are joined by Representative Ro Khanna as they cover Selena Gomez's viral migrant crying video, DeepSeek AI dethroning OpenAI's ChatGPT, and AOC calling out Congress over insider trading claims.----🔥 PURCHASE THE VALUETAINMENT CIGAR SET: https://bit.ly/4jsIxgI📺 VOTE ON TRUMP'S FIRST 100 DAYS: https://bit.ly/4gXLioq👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 1:14Speaker 02

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• 1:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 1:18Speaker 02

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• 1:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what's crazy? We're talking earlier saying, when's the last time we did a live podcast? Rob is like, Pat, it's been since last Thursday, the 23rd, today's the 28th. It feels like today, five days of six months, literally with the amount of events happened. Like I'm asking, have we talked about the story? No, that was a long time ago. It was just four days ago. Have we talked about the story? Have we, no, we haven't. We got so many things to talk to you about. So thank you for being with us here today. Guys, a couple of things I do want to tell you about today before we get started. I'm talking with Jesse yesterday and we're looking at the resume. I don't know if you guys saw some of these numbers or not. This guy on day one does more executive orders of the previous five presidents. Five administrations combined times three. He did 26. I think Biden did nine.

• 2:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump's first term, he did only one. Yep. Okay. Obama's second term, he did none. Obama's first term, I think he did one and Bush's first and second term. He did none on day one. This guy's come out the gates. One moment, he's talking to. World Economic Forum. Another second, you're looking at him, he's talking to. California chewing out, you know, Bass and Mayor Bass and talking to the folks there. Next minute, he's in Vegas talking about no tax on tips. Next minute, you're seeing him talking to military folks. Next minute, you're seeing him on the media. Next minute, I mean, he's all yesterday. Right after Jesse, I get a call from Air Force One. I'm getting a call like. Five phone calls back to back. Why is somebody calling me from Washington? Back to back to back to back to back to back to back. Finding I think it's gotta be an emergency. You have a call from Air Force One.

• 2:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, what's cr- what was it? Uh, what's? What do you think? Hey, just want to let you know, we're watching you. Great job. Message Jesse from Air Force, Air Force One. You're gonna call. What? But the point, here's the point though. Who has this kind of time? Everybody, when they make it, they're big shots. I don't have time for this. I don't have time for that. I don't. The level of urgency he and his team have right now, it's so impressive. To have that where the opposition, there's a clip we're gonna play here in a minute. Where CNN's host doesn't know what to say. It's like, that can't be true. This, this is the same old Donald Trump. No, it's not. Actually, the American people. Are seeing him in a different way. And today's podcast is gonna be a special one. Why? Because I respect anybody.

• 3:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's on the opposing ends politically. Let's just say everyone knows where I stand politically, capitalist, free enterprise, free market, you know. A, a family, conservative, certain values that we have. I get a, I get a DM from Rokana's team. I think your team was a reach out. I'm like. Hey, would you guys entertain the idea? I said, absolutely. So then obviously we make it work. Tony speaks to your team, but this is the part I want to talk about. Last week I'm in DC. And we're in a small meeting with Spotify. And a lot of your friends are there from Silicon Valley that you know about, All In Podcast and some of the other guys. And Lex is there, the crew's there. Your name came up. It was very, very interesting, the way they speak about you and your positions. You're a little bit, uh, one moment, is this guy independent? No, he's definitely progressive. No, is he? Why is he with I U S?

• 4:25Patrick Bet-David?

  He's with Ilhan, so who the hell is this guy? Is he trying to confuse everybody? But it's great to have you on the podcast. Appreciate it. Now, appreciate you for coming out. Chatting. Of course, likewise. So gang, uh, obviously, we have a lot of stories we'll go through here. Uh, some of the stuff with Deep Seek AI, I want to see, get your thoughts on it. You're in that world. Uh, the CNN clip I talked about earlier. Uh, then Elon and Vivek with what happened. Vivek responded to it yesterday with Jesse Waters. Hey, are you no longer with Doge? Is it true? You got fired? What happened? And he gives us answer and Vivek is very good with words. So we'll watch the clip and react to it. Then Trump reacting when somebody asked him and said, hey, you know, Musk was not happy about one of the deals that you did. What happened there?

• 5:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And Musk actually responds in a very straight up fashion way. No beating around the bush, just gives the answer. Uh, then a couple of things with COVID. CIA coming back saying that they were, you know, the, where the, the COVID was a lab leak. And a lot of people, I got, what is that all about? I'm going to get your thoughts on that. And we got a few other things we'll get through here. A lot of stories that we'll, we'll cover. However, gang, for those of you that are wa, those of you that are watching before we get into this, a couple of things. One, we raised a hundred and eight thousand dollars. We send the money already to California. We've sent, I think, six families, five thousand dollars apiece that me and Vinnie individually called FaceTimed. And we spoke to them. The stories are abs, I, I wish we raised fifty million dollars to send the money out there.

• 5:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But we only did a hundred and eight thousand dollars of sale that they would merge. We are still calling families. If you have anybody that's gone through something, send me directly in my neck with your phone number and their phone number. Tell me as much detail as possible. We're FaceTiming people and just let them know that we're sending money over their way. And then the money is getting sent out, uh, uh, once we give the details to the individuals. Money gets sent out to their account. You can connect any one of us. You send it to Adam, to Vinnie, to me, to Tom. It's going to end up coming back to me anyway. So whatever guys that you send this to, they'll send it to me. We'll make the phone calls. Today's the last day we're doing it to send the money out to the folks in California. They're still going through it. That's one. Make sure you do that. Number two is on the cigar lounge that a lot of you guys have been wanting to be a member of.

• 6:33Patrick Bet-David?

  We have had our manager now there for the last, I think, 90 days or so. The place is looking amazing. We're gonna launch it in a month of March, but you know it's a private cigar lounge. So for those of you that are in South Florida and you want to find out how to become a member, text the word cigar to 3103401132. Again, text the word cigar to 3103401132. One of our representatives will get ahold of you in a month of February to tell you all about it, but make sure you text the word cigar to 3103401132. We're opening up the comedy club, the cigar lounge, the two bars. We've got the liquor license. We've got the whole thing. We'll be opening up here soon. Okay, having said that, I got a question for you, Rokana. Right off the bat, I watch the news.

• 7:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I watch Jon Stewart talking to AOC where she's calling out, you know, people doing insider training. And we all know what she's talking about, a lot of people, but including mainly the face of insider training, people would say is Nancy Pelosi. And, you know, they'll give different names. Democrats are this, Democrats are that. They're kind of trying to find themselves. They're kind of fumbled. They don't know what to do. I'm trying to find that. If you were to describe, what does the Democratic Party stand for today? What would you say that is?

• 7:44Speaker 04

  First of all, let me thank you for what you're doing for California. I just got to say that as a Californian for the fires. I appreciate that.

• 7:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Anytime.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Look, the Democratic Party stands for reform. Part of the problem was in the election, we became the party of the status quo, but we are the party that says we're gonna ban stock trading. AOC has put out a bill. I put out a platform on it. Now, that's bipartisan. There are also people like Chip Roy and Matt Gaetz and others who've worked on it. We stand for no PAC money, no lobbyist money. At least that's what our party should stand for in politics. We're for, we should be for term limits for members of Congress. We should be for-

• 8:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what you are for, or is that what the party is for?

• 8:29Speaker 04

  That's what I want the party to be for.

• 8:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, I got you, because that's not- What the party is for.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  Well, I think the parties, I think the establishment needs to go. I think we got to get a new generation in there. This was a clear rejection of the establishment. We ran as the status quo party. We said, everything in America is fine. Donald Trump said, no, it's not. People are hurting. People don't have a fair shake. Their jobs have been offshored. Your industries have been hollowed out. And what we have to do as a party is say, we're the party that's going to take on political corruption. And we've got a real economic message. Now, I think on the economy, and we can get into it. We believe that the fundamental, one of the fundamental issues is the massive income inequality in America. You look at my district, you mentioned some of the guys. 12 trillion dollars of market value in my district.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  12 trillion dollars. While this country has gone from 50.

• 9:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Just in your district.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Just in my district. You got Apple, Google, Nvidia, Tesla, and a lot of other companies. 12 trillion dollars. Now, you're living in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, or Warren, Ohio, Down River, Michigan. Steel left this country. Aluminum's left this country. Ship buildings left this country. And you see 12 trillion dollars in Ro Khanna's district, and you say, where am I fitting in? So the Democratic Party has a vision of how we're going to actually re-industrialize this country. How we're going to create jobs in places that have been hollowed out. How we're going to make sure people have childcare and healthcare can have the American dream.

• 9:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so why don't we start off with this clip, Rob? If you want to play this clip. So this is AOC on Jon Stewart talking about an issue that I think a lot of people have a problem with. But play the clip, Rob.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  There need to be Democrats who walk the walk and talk the talk. There is an insane amount of hypocrisy. And the hypocrisy is what gets exploited to use the cynicism. And.

• 10:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this about the insider trading, Rob?

• 10:21Speaker 05

  Wherever there's a hypocritical window. For example, I think one of the most, biggest examples of this is insider trading in Congress. Like.

• 10:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude.

• 10:32Speaker 06

  I like, I don't know if I like, do I give snaps? Do I, I don't know what the kids do anymore, but like, dude.

• 10:39Speaker 05

  It's.

• 10:39Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 10:40Speaker 05

  It is like.

• 10:41Speaker 06

  That's so crazy.

• 10:42Speaker 05

  It's so crazy. Crazy. I mean, like, that's the, and this is the thing. It's like, like, people think that everyday people are stupid. I'm like, do, do you all really think that people don't see this shit? Like.

• 10:58Speaker 06

  They sit on a committee, they get information about a drug or a contract or a thing. They immediately make a call, the stockbroker changes things and, and their portfolio swells.

• 11:11Speaker 05

  Explodes.

• 11:12Speaker 06

  What are we doing?

• 11:14Speaker 05

  And you're doing this on public trust.

• 11:18Speaker 06

  Right.

• 11:18Speaker 05

  On, on like taxpayer finance, public, you know, uh, facilities like it of.

• 11:26Speaker 06

  You're regulating the market that you're trading on.

• 11:30Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 11:31Speaker 06

  You run the casino.

• 11:33Speaker 05

  And then we're supposed to act like money doesn't only corrupts Republicans? Give me a fucking break.

• 11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so she says that now you're in the, I want to say you're in the 17 district, right? Nancy Pelosi is what in the 11 district? And what Rob, can you pull up what is Nancy Pelosi's net worth? I'm just curious. Can I guess? I mean. I want to say 158 million dollars. I mean, you're following very closely. What, what is her net worth? What is her net?

• 12:00Speaker 07

  Might even be more than that.

• 12:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So I just pulled it up right now. Here it says.

• 12:04Speaker 07

  This is 2018.

• 12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow. No, no, she's, she, listen, she would be so upset if you just showed that number. Pat, maybe it's just luck, maybe it's luck. I have this number here. And that picture was from before electricity. I don't know if this is true or not. Investopedia says. 240. 240 million dollars. Oh, it's way off.

• 12:19Speaker 07

  Well, her husband is a venture capitalist.

• 12:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just say it's 240. There's even a. Without pants. What is that handle on Twitter, Rob, where you can find out the trades that she makes? In advance, you know, Pelosi tracker, I think it's called Pelosi tracker on Tik Tok.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 12:35Patrick Bet-David?

  If you, is that what it is? Zoom in, it's got nine hundred and one thousand followers. Okay, the Pelosi tracker highlighting politicians trade so we can invest alongside go. Get them banned from trading four hundred billion, four hundred million dollars invested. And this account, Rob, can you pull up to see who it's followed by? I'm just curious to know who follows this account? No, go, go back to the previous, the ones you follow that could follow the account. Bottom, go a little bit lower, no, Rob, go back.

• 13:01Speaker 04

  I'm sorry.

• 13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  The ones that you, it says thirty people that follows the same, there you go. Can you click on that? So Laura Logan, terrible, can Mario in the fall follows the can, keep going a little lower. Keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going, I'm just curious to know who's following this stuff. Lower, lower. John Cena. Lower, lower, Portnoy, myself, who else is following that? Portnoy. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Nine hundred and one thousand people are curious to know the kind of trade she, trade she's making. How do you, I mean, you're down the street from her and you guys probably see each other a lot at different events. I do. How do you feel about this?

• 13:33Speaker 04

  Look, I'm not for stock trading in Congress and I think you need to ban it. And I have a political reform bill to do that. I've co-sponsored AOC's bill, co-sponsored the bill that Chip Roy introduced, which says, look, you come with money. We want, it's fine to have money and, and go to Congress and a lot of people have wealth, but you gotta put it in a trust. And not be engaging in trading. Now here's, I think what's going on with Pelosi, I mean, you may disagree with me. I, she has a husband who is a tech investor and a tech venture capitalist and he's a very, very savvy investor. He makes investments.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  I don't think he's making investments based on what Congress is doing because I don't think Congress has a clue about technology. If Congress was that savvy about technology, we'd actually have smart AI and privacy policy. But I think what it does is it creates the perception of, of impropriety and that's why it should be banned.

• 14:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what do you think about this?

• 14:33Speaker 07

  Well, I.

• 14:35Speaker 07

  I just met you, but I want to call on something there. Congress doesn't have a clue about technology, but they know what they're doing when they pull Facebook in and they talk about Cambridge Analytics, and they know what they're doing when they start talking about TikTok bans, and they know what they're doing when they put Google in there and the stocks move based on those hearings. So Congress may not know much about technology, a point I think we would both agree on. Actually, I agree with you, you just said that's your position. But I'll tell you, they know exactly what they're doing when they do hearings and stock is moving.

• 15:07Patrick Bet-David?

  But what's your point with that, Tom? What's your point with what you just said? Are you saying you can't claim to say, hey, they don't know how to invest, but they do know how to investigate the other guys?

• 15:17Speaker 07

  Correct. It's like, they may not be savvy on technology, but they're moving the market with hearings, and there are trades that are made, you know, coming into and out of these hearings. And so, you can't turn kind of a blind eye toward that, can you?

• 15:31Speaker 04

  No, that's why I think we should ban the trading. But the bigger corruption issue, I'm not saying there shouldn't be trading, but the bigger corruption issue is the money that these companies are often giving members of Congress in campaign contributions and super PACs. Look at Meta, for example, and the amount of money they have sunk in to members of Congress in lobbying to kill the Kids Online Safety Act. The Kids Online Safety Act says, let's not have kids exposed to eating disorders and suicidal thoughts, and that can't pass. It passed the Senate overwhelmingly, can't pass the House, not because of the stock trading, because of the money they're pouring into Congress.

• 16:12Speaker 07

  You and I would agree on lobbying and Citizens United, by the way.

• 16:15Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, you know, the part here to consider is we can isolate different issues, and we can go and say, no, yes, no, absolutely no, you know, whatever.

• 16:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever brought it up to Nancy and said, hey, what are we doing with it? Have you guys ever had a conversation about it where, you know, there's been a moment like, no, this is not something we're going to be entertaining at all, specific to insider trading and maybe Congress, you know, investing in stock trading? Have you guys ever had the conversation?

• 16:44Speaker 04

  We have. I mean, I haven't had it one-on-one, but I've had it with her in a group with the California delegation and with other members of Congress where we said, let's pass this. It was in 2022 when she was still Speaker of the House and we didn't get it onto the House floor. Now, it hasn't, look, it's a bipartisan issue. The Republicans haven't brought it when they had.

• 17:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  The Democrats haven't brought it. There are about 60 of us on this bill to ban it and we need more people on it.

• 17:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So, check this out, Rob. Can you pull up that New York Post article I just sent you? So, this is from five days ago. Nancy Pelosi's husband made $38 million worth of stock trades in weeks leading up to Trump's inauguration. By the way, I just looked at this. So, I haven't read this pre the podcast. While he's saying this, I pulled up Paul Pelosi and this story pops up. Watch what he sold five days ago. Okay, Rob? Go a little bit higher. Okay, so, exit of Nancy Pelosi made $38 million worth of stock trades in two weeks, in weeks leading up to President Trump's inauguration, including an investment in once obscure artificial intelligence firm whose share have soared 50% in the last week. Paul Pelosi, the venture capitalist who married the Democratic lawmaker in 11th District, San Francisco, sold $24 million worth of Apple stock as well as how much?

• 17:57Patrick Bet-David?

  $5 million worth of Nvidia. And Nvidia just lost how much yesterday? $420 billion? I thought they lost yesterday? That's in your district. So, that 12 trillion right now is 11 and a half trillion. I want to make sure I fact check you on this one here. But go a little bit lower, Rob, when you see this. So, what's, no, no, let me read right above it, Rob. There's a, right, keep going. I'm going to read all right there, right there, right there, Rob. So, former 38 million worth of stocks and her husband's made by her husband in weeks leading up to President Trump's inauguration. Let's see what the next thing says. I'm going to read all of it. Paul Pelosi, San Francisco-based venture capitalist who has amassed a mammoth stock portfolio while his wife has been sitting a member of Congress. Go a little bit lower if you could. Paul Pelosi survived the hammer. I'm not interested in that. According to the filing,

• 18:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Paul Pelosi bought $100,000 worth of call options in Tempest on January 14th since the Pelosi position was revealed. The company's stock has surged. Go a little bit lower to see this. So the average person watches this. Here's what the average person would say. Chris Joseph, the tech entrepreneur who has operated the Nancy Pelosi stock trader on X since January 24th, launched an app that allows traders to buy stocks in a mass a portfolio that is identical to that of the former House Speaker's husband. Okay, so here's what the average person asks. The average person asks, "Bro, you seem like a nice guy. You're being fair. This is in your district. You probably don't want to have a fight and a feud with her. You mean to tell me when the husband does what he does, right? Like, the other

• 19:25Patrick Bet-David?

  day, we're looking at something that happened with us. A former employee did some stuff with his wife where the money was paid to his wife, but not to him. So he wasn't, you know, technically in his eyes, like, hey, I'll give you this relationship, but you gotta pay me a sidekick, you know, money to my wife and don't boy pay to me. So the paper trail is not going to come to me. For me to be guilty, do it that way. Wink, wink. No one will know. And if you do that, I'll keep bringing business back to you." It's shady, right? For somebody, a P I, somebody goes investigates this, and that becomes public. That is, like, who's going to trust doing business with that person? You don't think Nancy's husband is, you know, they're laying next to each other in bed and saying,

• 20:06Patrick Bet-David?

  "Hey, just so you know, X, Y, Z just happened. You may want to kind of buy or sell some of this stuff." You don't think those types of, you don't think the average person thinks those types of conversations are taking place?

• 20:16Speaker 04

  I think the average person thinks that because people have such a low respect for Congress, and they think we're all engaged in some kind of unethical corrupt.

• 20:24Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think it's everybody, though. I don't think they think all of you are. This is specific to her.

• 20:28Speaker 04

  But I don't, look, do I think that she's giving Paul Pelosi some inside tip that DeepSeek is going to come out? No, I don't think Nancy Pelosi knows that the Chinese are going to be releasing DeepSeek and that this is why Nvidia's stock is going to fall. And by the way, I think Nvidia is actually going to do fine. Because there's also going to be increased demand now with deep seek for AI and we can get into that. But I what I think is that Paul Pelosi is very, very plugged in to the tech network. And he has a lot of insights about technologies, a tech venture capitalist.

• 21:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing to do with her is what you're saying.

• 21:04Speaker 04

  That is, that is my view, but I will say this, that a lot of people, most people will look at this and say, I don't believe, bro. I don't, I don't, I, I think something shady is going on and that's why we should ban the stock trading.

• 21:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, that, that's the part that's kind of weird. You brought up Nvidia, so maybe we'll just go into this Nvidia. Conversation here, Rob Nvidia dropped yesterday. Can, can you go pull up how much market cap it lost? I think it lost, if I'm not mistaken, four hundred and twenty billion dollars of valuation. Can you look up what it lost Nvidia? Okay, I'm sorry, six hundred billion dollars. In market cap, the biggest in the history of US. Now, it's, it looks like a big number. They're going to make it up in no time, but still for one day, they lose six hundred billion dollars. Because a direct competitor from China called Deep Seek comes out. And they're released, one of our guys got it.

• 22:00Patrick Bet-David?

  He is using it. I don't want to give his name out, but one of our guys is using it. Rob, you're laughing for a specific reason. One of our guys is using it and he hands the phone over to Rob. And this guy cannot stand. You know what the Chinese and he is not a fan of what they're doing. And he looks at the app and he says, this is pretty good. It's pretty good. As good as it is with chat GPT, you know, and he's kind of putting all this stuff to see what it says. And then you find out the market finds out that they were able to build deep seek on six million dollars, right? Can you imagine how annoying it is to see you build your house? For fifty million dollars and a guy next door builds the same house for seven hundred thousand dollars. That's gotta be frustrating. What construction company did you find to build this?

• 22:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So they build it for six million dollars and then they ask Trump about, Rob, is this the one? Where they ask him about deep seek, where he gives his, uh, this is the one?

• 22:49Speaker 04

  This where it talks about it being made cheaply and quickly.

• 22:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go ahead and play this clip. Go for it.

• 22:54Speaker 07

  And over the last couple of days, I've been reading about China and some of the companies in China want in particular coming up with a faster method of AI and much less expensive method. And that's good because you don't have to spend this much money. I view that as a positive as an asset. So I really think if it's if it's fact and if it's true, and nobody really knows if it is. But I view that as a positive because you'll be doing that too. So you won't be spending as much and you'll get the same result, hopefully. The release of DeepSeek AI from a Chinese company should be a wake up call for our industries that we need to be laser focused on

• 23:33Speaker 07

  competing to win because we have the greatest scientists in the world. Even Chinese leadership told me that. They said, you have the most brilliant scientists in the world in Seattle and various places, but Silicon Valley, they said, there's nobody like those people. This is very unusual when you hear a DeepSeek, when you hear somebody, somebody come up with something. We always have the ideas. We're always first. So

• 23:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, you can pause it right there. That's great. Tom, I'm going to come to you first and then I'll go to you next. Go ahead, Tom. Your thoughts on this?

• 24:00Speaker 07

  Well, there's a couple of things going on. So DeepSeek comes out and says, hey, you know, we'll do this free and near free and take a look at this. And oh, because you had the sanctions against the advanced chips, we were able to do this in other ways and innovate similar to the way when the Saudis pushed the price of oil down to thirty five dollars and it really squeezed the Canadian oil sands and North Dakota shale because they couldn't extract out of the ground for thirty four dollars. And guess what happened? Three years of innovation, three years of innovation in oil exploration, and we suddenly in North Dakota had a sub forty dollar extraction. So when the price went back up on oil, suddenly we were even more competitive than we were and that that cycle caused us to be better.

• 24:42Speaker 07

  So they're saying, well, the same thing happened to us. You know, you gave us sanctions on chips and said that the advanced chips we couldn't use. And there were these controls on the quantity of the number of chips that we could have. And but we just innovated. We innovated, just like the oil industry did. And now we've got something that's faster than there. That's the story. Well, the storyline, there's people saying all That Elon Musk said, I don't know about that. But then Scale AI, Scale AI CEO Alexander Wang, right? Alexander Wang?

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Brilliant guy, yeah.

• 25:14Speaker 07

  Yep, and he said, he said, I'm not buying it. I am hearing that they're using Nvidia H100s. And they're using a lot of them and they're using more than they should. But two things can be true. They can be innovating quickly to make a product. And they could be cheating and using more of the advanced chips. So the moral of the story is, you know, do we have now an AI race? Similar to the way the auto industry found itself behind Japan? And now we have to go catch up and the US has got to drive.

• 25:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So watch, I'll go to this and I'll come to you, Ro. So here's, why is, what is DeepSeek and why is disrupting AI sector? Go a little bit lower, which kind of validates what you just talked about right here. Chinese startup launches its app AI models, which says it's on par with ChatGPT, etc., etc. The company has attracted attention in global AI circles after writing in a paper last month that the training of DeepSeek V3 required less than $6 million worth of computing, computing power from who? Nvidia H800 chips. DeepSeek AI system powered by DeepSeek V3 has overtaken rival ChatGPT to become the top-rated free application available on Apple App Store in US. The downloads were so high that they had to pause it yesterday. I think people couldn't get it, just because they couldn't handle the amount of bandwidth

• 26:30Patrick Bet-David?

  and traffic that was coming up. Ro, what are your thoughts on this here?

• 26:34Speaker 04

  First, who would have thought that ChatGPT would be the first to lose its job to AI? Right? So people losing their jobs to ChatGPT. I mean, look, I think DeepSeek is not quite where ChatGPT 01 or 03 are or where Google are. But we've got a slight edge. But it should be very concerning that they're being able to do it much cheaper, as President Trump said. And whether it's as cheap as they say, who knows? You can't ever trust them. I agree with you there, but it is, is cheaper. So the question is, what do we need to do to win? The AI race and I know David Sacks well. I here's what I'm gonna try to propose to him.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  Two basic things. One, you have Stargate that Trump has announced, which is $500 billion of investment on this compute power. Why don't we make sure that that compute power that's being built, that we give access to startup companies here for that compute power? So that you don't just have OpenAI and Google and Anthropic looking at assembling talented teams to build new models. You get more startups doing that so that the next great invention doesn't happen in China, but happens here. Second thing, why not have a Manhattan-like project for the uses of AI in the United States? So set two goals.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  We want to make sure by the end of Trump's first term, AI will cure five diseases and we're gonna recruit the best talented people to come up with an AI that does that. Or we want to make sure it's gonna have better battery technology use of AI. And those are two things I think that could be bipartisan that could be done so that that America wins the AI race.

• 28:24Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what I like about what Trump said in time I'll come to you? I like when when Trump is standing saying, yeah, this is competition. Like, it's almost like allowing your own guys to be like, why don't you do something about it? Let's go ahead and get ahead of it. We've always been better. Let's take the lead. Let's see what's gonna happen. But there's nothing wrong that someone's able to do something cheaper. Whether he's doing that because he's trying to use that as a lever to negotiate with China or TikTok or whatever. Trump is always five, six, you know, 10 steps ahead of the other person that he's negotiating with. There is a reason why he wasn't critical of them building that $6 million. There's a reason for it. What that reason is, we will find out probably in the next 90 days, but not today. Tom, your thoughts?

• 29:03Speaker 07

  So the point one, Ro, you said, give startups access to it. Well, they have access to it now. What do you mean by access when you said point one?

• 29:12Speaker 04

  Well, I think if the if the president is convening these folks and if we're gonna have any federal involvement in Stargate, right? Because if it was just all private, we don't need President Trump, then there should be some licensing arrangement for startups who want to use the compute power. They have to compensate OpenAI or whoever else is putting money in for the compute. But let's have more companies have access to compute.

• 29:37Speaker 07

  Well, is Trump empowering the what's happening? He's not that money's not coming from government. And there's been people say, oh, they only have about 10 billion of it that they don't have what they say. And then Saudis are like, hang on, I got my checkbook. So Trump appears to be facilitating and encouraging the same way the auto industry and the oil industry was encouraged. Are you suggesting that the government take that 500 billion?

• 30:03Speaker 04

  I'm not saying the government, but if obviously Trump has some role, right? If he doesn't have any role, then what do we need him for? If it was the private sector just coming up with the money on on his own. So if he's giving it the imprimatur of the US government, if he's seeing this as a good project, if he's going to help with permitting to make sure that these things get built, then I think it's reasonable to say this amount of compute power, you got to make sure that you license it to startups. Because otherwise, you're going to have these monopolies or these big companies having all of the AI, none of it, by the way, open source, and China is going to continue to compete. And I don't I want our competition, the ecosystem to work here.

• 30:44Speaker 07

  But back to it, don't startups have access to it now?

• 30:49Speaker 04

  No, very hard to get sufficient compute power. That's the barrier to entry for a lot of these startups.

• 30:56Speaker 07

  They so what you're saying is that what the market is doing, what Google, building tremendous data centers and building everything with it and trying to get permits for small nukes, we can talk about nukes later, you're saying that's that's insufficient, that the market is building it fast as it can to make a buck and to provide the compute power out there. You're saying no.

• 31:19Speaker 04

  I'm saying that the market is working for Google, it's working for OpenAI and Microsoft. But if you're Marc Andreessen and you're saying, look, I want to have startups that also build AI models and some of those models should be open source, you you're going to have a very hard time getting the compute power and OpenAI and and Google may not want to just give it to you voluntarily. So my point is, let them have some of the compute power, but let there be some compute power that these startups can license so that there can be more models that emerge.

• 31:48Speaker 07

  Got it. So your argument is on open source. Part of AI should be open source and the open source should have an open license to the independents.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, there should have some license to some part of the compute power.

• 32:00Speaker 07

  I don't know if you force that. Anyway, I see your point.

• 32:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying you don't force that because maybe in his district, you know, you have a relationship with Elon Musk. I mean, one of the famous clips of Elon Musk many, many years ago, he says, "Well, we're building here is open source. If you want to take it, if you think you can do better than that or not, are you saying that is not a good thing? Or are you saying the government shouldn't force somebody to release that because it's a form of a no longer having a patent and protection of a patent?

• 32:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't know if the government should be a licensing agency. You know, the USPTO provides for the protection and all the things that you do.

• 32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 32:37Speaker 07

  But should the government be sort of an industry player?

• 32:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, they've been. I mean, if you think about big pharma, these big pharma companies with the pharmaceutical that they're releasing, they're going back with lobbyists and allowing to extend a patent on a

• 32:53Speaker 07

  That's exactly, and the FDA and NIH is exactly an example of why it doesn't work.

• 32:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 33:00Speaker 07

  And how the customer ends up paying a high price and ultimately loses.

• 33:03Patrick Bet-David?

  But then there's a contradiction there. So what is the right move? Because is the right move limiting the timeline of a patent? Is the right move to say everything becomes open source? It's a form of a debate with the NCA, right? The non-compete or the non-solicitation agreement, hey, let's get rid of all of it. But then, you know, then the business owner doesn't have a motive to build something because anybody can take their clients. I'm trying to see where you're going because you're not going there for no reason.

• 33:31Speaker 07

  Right. I don't think the government should be there. Look, World War II, when the government needed planes, it went out and said, "I need a lighter, faster plane." And independent government invented the P-38 Lightning and other things that were brought to bear. Ford Motor Company suspended manufacturing, started building bombers and innovating and giving the government a more, you know, competitive product that it needed to go, in this case, fight a war.

• 33:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 33:55Speaker 07

  And so I don't see how the government gets involved and actually facilitates in this.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  The World War II example is exactly what worked. Right. It was the government basically saying, we're going to do this. We're going to partner with the private sector to get it done. But I think there are two different points. One is you can disagree with me on the licensing part. And that I think is an open debate. Should there be some compute power in this country that startups should be able to access or not? My view is there should be. Others could say, no, let it just be all private sector. But there's a second debate, which is, should the government be, as the Biden administration was, as scared of open source models? Because their concern was if you have open source models, other countries are going to steal them.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  And look, it turns out that maybe other countries have open source, they're going to build them faster and we may need some open source models here. So we're competing and staying ahead of China. And that I think is a debate in Silicon Valley. On the one hand, you got the Marc Andreessen's, Facebook's and others saying, let's have more open source. On the other hand, you have people saying, no, it's a national security risk. I definitely think there's got to be a space for open source models.

• 35:08Patrick Bet-David?

  By choice, by choice.

• 35:10Speaker 04

  By choice.

• 35:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Open source by choice.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  But so Meta, Facebook's got open source by choice. Andreessen saying, let these startups have open source or we can't compete with these models.

• 35:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Let them like allow them.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  Allow them to.

• 35:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. I just don't, I think enforcing is one thing. By the way, when somebody says open source, to me, it shows confidence. That's how I process it. You know, but, but I also understand a business owner saying, look, man, we spend millions of dollars creating this patent and this whatever software that we have, allow me a three year run rate, allow me a two year run rate, allow me a five year run. Okay, let's negotiate the terms. What I don't like in Big Pharma is the fact that I have a 20 year run rate. And then from the moment that 20 year expires, the medicine goes from being worth 10 grand a year to $2.48 or $26. That's the part I have a problem with. And that is due to lobbyists helping these guys extend the patent. That's a big problem for me here. Adam, did you have any thoughts?

• 36:04Speaker 07

  I just wanted Congressman Connor to maybe clarify something. I'm not as techie or as smart as Tom. So I just kind of want to simplify this. To me, this DeepSeek, which literally nobody ever heard of until 24 hours ago, and now it's the topic of conversation, to me, maybe you can help me explain this, it seems like it's the TikTok of AI. So it came in here via China, and it came out as this amazing new app, algorithm, all this stuff. It's cheaper, it's better, all this stuff. And I'm like, oh, okay, I guess we're talking about DeepSeek, I don't know. And then you see what Nvidia happens, we see what, you mean, this is your district OpenAI with Silicon Valley. And then I see this article, and this is my exact fear. Here's my question. This is from the Epoch Times.

• 36:48Speaker 07

  "DeepSeek AI demonstrates pro-CCP bias." Shocker alert, right? So it asked them a series of four questions. Question number one, what happened in 1989 on June 4th? We all know that was Tiananmen Square. And their answer was, no, nothing at all, all good, you know, just a lovely day in China. Huh, okay, another question, what do Chinese people think about Xi Jinping? They love their leader, why would they say anything else, of course? And then a couple other series of questions, which basically led me to believe, how the hell are we gonna trust anything, anything that comes from China?

• 37:30Speaker 07

  So is this just another TikTok-esque spyware, malware, data collection, looking at the American people? Or is it, you know, they asked them about intellectual theft, intellectual property? Have you ever stolen anything from America? We would never, we're the best. I don't trust this at all. What say you?

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Well, I think you're absolutely right, to not trust the DeepSeek AI as a model for the United States or the world. And this is why the AI race matters. If China wins the AI race, because they're putting out apps that Europe, Latin America, India, Africa are adopting, because they just think it's gonna tell me in a better, faster way where I should go for vacation, or what clothes I should get for my kids, and I don't really care. Whether it's telling me the truth about global politics, then America has got a real problem. I'm I rather the apps that people use around the world be American apps.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  And that's why I'm all for, whether that's OpenAI, whether it's Elon's Grok, whether it's Anthropic or a new startups, or if it's open source developed by America, we've got to win.

• 38:46Speaker 07

  So I appreciate that answer. So using that logic, following it down the path, wouldn't it be fair to say that we should ban TikTok?

• 38:54Speaker 04

  That's a different, that's a different question. We could get into that. No, I, I, I don't think we should be banning TikTok. I've been opposed to it, along with Rand Paul, for a couple of reasons. One, I'm just a free speech absolutist. Look, I was one of the people, the Twitter files, my email leaked to Vijaya at Twitter, who was the general counsel, because Twitter took down Hunter Biden's story on the New York Post. And I had a private email that I said this was wrong, this is a violation of the First Amendment.

• 39:24Patrick Bet-David?

  When was that email? What was the exact date of the email?

• 39:26Speaker 04

  It was before the election.

• 39:28Patrick Bet-David?

  It was before the election?

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Before the election. And when Elon bought Twitter, he ordered a release of all the emails and my email became public that I had spoken out to Twitter.

• 39:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that email public? I'd love to read it.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  It is public. Yeah, if you look at, reach out to Twitter, see, there it is.

• 39:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you find the email, Rob? That's pretty impressive to do that. And at the moment when you send it, you don't know whether Elon's, when they're going to buy this or not, if that email is going to be exposed to anybody.

• 39:57Speaker 04

  I, I don't. And I also am campaigning for Joe Biden, and I think he's going to be president. And here I'm saying, don't suppress the story about his son to, to, to Twitter. Because I, you know, I,

• 40:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Who did you send the email to?

• 40:09Speaker 04

  To Vijaya Gadi. She's the, she was the general counsel at, at Twitter.

• 40:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Very, very, and then that was leaked and everybody saw that email from you.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  It was leaked. You know how when someone says they're gonna leak your emails, you usually credit it? This is the one you want.

• 40:24Patrick Bet-David?

  What did Elon say when he saw that email? Did he call you? Did you guys speak about it?

• 40:27Speaker 04

  He, he, he, he, he put it out. He, he said, Ro Khanna is great. And he put it out with my personal email. So, so for, for two days, I got like 5,000 emails to my, my account.

• 40:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That's interesting. Were you able to find it or no?

• 40:42Speaker 07

  I'm looking right now.

• 40:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's, that's impressive to me.

• 40:44Speaker 07

  When you say free speech absolutist, there's a part of me that's like, yeah, of course, free speech, First Amendment, this is amazing.

• 40:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 40:50Speaker 07

  But in China, there's no free speech in China. They're one of the most censored countries in the world. They're the least, one of the least free societies in the world. You know, ByteDance, I believe, owns TikTok and you know, they're obviously talking about this sale. So how do you sort of grapple with the fact of free speech absolutist? When there's zero American, uh, social media companies allowed in China, zero. Yet we're just gonna allow Russian propaganda here or Chinese propaganda to take over and indoctrinate American youth?

• 41:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what would you want though? What would you want?

• 41:24Speaker 07

  I, to me, this is like, I, other than, maybe here's this question. I, free speech absolutist, great. That's for Americans. This is not a company owned by China. I don't really hear arguments saying why we should keep TikTok. The only arguments I hear are, well, they do help small businesses make money. Okay. So you know JFK was ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Sorry, small businesses. You're gonna have to maybe move over to Instagram or YouTube or anything else.

• 41:54Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you like to see happen?

• 41:56Speaker 07

  I would like to see it banned.

• 41:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You would like to see it banned in the States?

• 41:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, or sold, or, or just get the CCP out of our country. That's what I'm asking.

• 42:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, you know what, what I would be curious about? And I'd be curious to know what you think because it's a, by the way. I rarely say this. Very good question you asked. So I just want to make sure, guys, can you clip this for Adam and put it there? Because this was a good question. But I will, I will say this part for you, for you to see what you're gonna say about this. So to me, if I'm Trump, one of the leverages I'm using is the following thing. And by the way, you know who will be behind this? Zuck, Musk, Google, everybody will be behind this. What if he negotiates, and I don't even know if this could happen or not because of how they're wired? DeepSeek is now available in America, right? That was designed where? In China. No problem. What if Trump says, "It's banned? All your stuff moving forward is banned in the States."

• 42:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Until you allow Facebook, Google, YouTube, Twitter, all of that to be available in China. Could Trump put that kind of a sanction in place that none of your businesses can do business in America until you let all of our social media companies in your country?

• 43:07Speaker 04

  So I'd love for him to try to do that. I don't think there's a chance in hell that China agrees to it because it would mean, in part, the end of communism. I think they would so fear free speech, people expressing their opinions, that Xi Jinping would be in real trouble.

• 43:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Why should we care?

• 43:25Speaker 04

  No, we, let's push for it. I'm saying, though, what could we realistically get? Here's one thing I think Trump could realistically get in, in the exchange. And I, I'm all for him trying to push to get social media in. But how about, you know, while we're talking about banning TikTok, you know, the same week when news came out, China's got a $1 trillion trade surplus with the United States. And as you know, because you know business well, that's made up with a capital account surplus. So basically, our manufacturers get hit. All our shipbuilding steel, etc., goes to China. They put in the money to Wall Street. Wall Street does fine, but the working and middle class have been suffering. Donald Trump should say, "I want to, by the end of my term, try to get that trade surplus down to zero. Let's have a trade balance."

• 44:10Speaker 04

  And he should say, "If I'm gonna allow TikTok, you gotta start buying our steel, or buying our, our products, or, or stop selling us the amount..." out you are so that we actually get that trade balance down.

• 44:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I I would love to see him. By the way, this the email rap that we were talking about? Is this the email?

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 44:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, Ro Khanna to Vijay, but this seems like a violation of the First Amendment principles. If there's a hack of classified information of other information that could expose a serious war crime at the New York Times was to publish it. I think the New York Times should have that right. A journalist should not be held accountable for the illegal actions of the source unless they actively aided the hack. So the restricted distribution of that material, especially regarding the presidential seems candidate seems not in the keeping of the principles of New York Times or Solomon. I say this is a total Biden partisan and convinced he didn't do anything wrong, but the story now has become more about censorship than relatively innocuous emails and it's become a bigger deal than it would have been. It is also leading to serial, uh, serious efforts to curtail

• 45:08Patrick Bet-David?

  curtails, section 230, many of which would have been a mistake. I believe Twitter itself should curtail what it recommends to or puts in the trending news and your policy against Q non groups. It's all good. It's a hard balance. But in the heat of presidential campaign, restricting the dissemination of newspaper articles, even if New York Post is far right, seems like it will invite more backlash than it'll do good. Vinny seemed like you must say something.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  Well, so you saying that, I say this as a total Biden partisan and convinced he did, he didn't do anything wrong. After all the stuff that we've seen with all the leaks of everything on the Biden laptop, Hunter's laptop, do you know, do you change that? That idea because from what we saw with his relationship. Yeah, I mean, I think it's, let's see, and there's It's horrible. There, there certainly questions, but I was there, I was just pointing, I, at the time I said, I didn't think he did anything wrong, but I think that was besides the point. I mean, it's a lot of legalese there because I'm writing to a lawyer, but basically I was saying you can't take a New York Post story down about a presidential candidate. Well, no, I, I agree with that 100%. What I'm saying is now 2025,

• 46:11Speaker 04

  he's gone, he's pardoned him, he's basically, everybody's scot free, the whole crime family is good. Uh, you were technically wrong because all the stuff that we did find out that he was working with China. He was uh doing a bunch of nefarious stuff and the stuff that we've heard. I've I've heard and seen some stuff that was on that laptop. If that was released, that that that would have, what was the percentage, Pat? Of of how many people wouldn't have voted? People that wouldn't have voted, sixty seven percent would have changed their vote if they had known.

• 46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  It wasn't sixty seven percent. I think it was, to be exact, it was sixty seven percent of independents would have considered voting the other way. Or the word was sixty seven percent, this would have influenced the decision, not voted the other way. So I don't wanna, because that's a massive number. There was something about that, but I'm with it. Now, let's, you said a few things, so let's go to the next part. That that conversation right there, hey, we know this could impact the election, et cetera, et cetera. No problem, okay? Eight in ten now think the Biden laptop cover up changed the election. Yeah, this was the number that we saw on what people voted for and, you know. This happens, then Putin, couple of days ago. He's being asked about Trump. And I don't know if you saw this or not, what he said.

• 47:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Putin, straight up, claims that the 2020 election was now stolen. So, Rob, if you want to play this clip, go for it, so we can see it. Go ahead.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  If he had been the president, if the victory wasn't stolen from him in 2020, maybe the Ukrainian crisis that arose in 2022 should have never appeared.

• 47:48Patrick Bet-David?

  If if he hadn't, if it hadn't been stolen from him, okay? If it hadn't been stolen from him, Putin's saying this.

• 47:58Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think he's doing by saying? Is he saying this to be on the good side of Trump? Is he saying this because he hundred percent believes it? Is he saying this because he said this pre-election? Why do you think he's saying this?

• 48:11Speaker 04

  First of all, I think you'd agree, I don't think Putin should be the arbiter of what constitute legitimate elections. I don't think he's had a legitimate election in his entire life. But I think, look, he is doing what a lot of world leaders are doing, and that is trying to curry favor with the American president. The American president is the most powerful person in the world, and it seems to me he wants to try to curry favor with Trump to get the terms of Ukraine on his side.

• 48:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Looking back now for 2020 elections, you know, you hear these interference. You saw the emails, the Twitter files, everything that happened. Do you think, even with Zuck, Zuck is also, you know, Facebook, him coming out, I made a mistake. We made, we gave $400 million to try to help him out. The Biden administration asked us to X, Y, Z, and we shouldn't have, although it was on us. Now, you're a smart guy, you're in the area with all these guys. You run into all these guys, you've met all these guys, right? Do you now look back and say, something happened 2020? There were some games that were played in 2020 to make sure Trump didn't win.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  Look, do I think the election was stolen? No, I think people voted. Do I think that politics is a rough business on both sides? Where, you know, we can go through all of the tricks that the Trump team did, targeting digital ads to tell people not to vote in certain communities. It's a rough business, but I don't believe that the election fundamentally was a stolen election. Now, going forward, do we want to have clear transparency so these tech companies aren't interfering in elections on either side? Absolutely.

• 49:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so when you're saying it wasn't stolen, the 2020, you know how, who was it? Was it the 60 Minutes lady, or was it the other lady? That's like, now that you're president, can you go out there and say that you lost the 2020 election? No, I didn't lose the 2020 election.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  I think it was Kristen Welker.

• 50:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Was it Welker? I think it was Welker, right? When she's asking that, you know? Nope, I didn't.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  She also asked it to J.D. Vance, I believe.

• 50:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, but specific was to him, where he's like, no, it didn't happen. This is the part where, you know, everything is, you know, let's move forward. This is hap, let's move forward. Russia, guys, let's just move forward, you know, let's just move forward, let's just move forward. The mindset of let's just move forward, we don't have accountability to see what really took place. You know, because there's a difference between running ads in districts to say not vote versus shutting down the story of New York Times that you even emailed right there yourself. You're like, I don't even think there's anything in this laptop now. You know, we know what, you know, what's potentially in this laptop and it's been talked to and people know there was something there. Why would he pardon his son? Why would he pardon his entire family?

• 51:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Why would he pardon his entire family while he's up there putting his hand down to swear? And then that's when Biden does it. And Trump's like, wait a minute. I didn't think that we're gonna go this. I mean, this is the pardon that no one's above the law. This is that president that you were campaigning behind. Do you have any regrets now watching this? You're like, ah shit, this is the guy I was supporting? I remember one time I read a book by Billy Graham, and I think it was chapter 11 or 12, when he talks about Nixon, because he went 100% on Nixon and helped him out. And he stepped back, he says, I don't know if I should have or should have not done it. He specifically talks about that part. Did you have any regrets yourself, you know, going out there and backing something like this, knowing behind closed doors they were playing this dirty? Specifically, the Biden-Harris administration?

• 51:44Speaker 04

  Well, look, in the primary, and I'm a, this is why I call myself a progressive capitalist. I was a co-chair of Bernie's campaign. And the reason I voted and worked so hard for Bernie against Biden is I thought what the country wanted is a change of the status quo. I don't think we wanted 40-year politicians in the, in the office. And I do think that the Democrats would have been better off had we had...

• 52:09Patrick Bet-David?

  How long is a Sanders politician? Isn't Sanders a 40-year politician?

• 52:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he's a change agent. He's been a change agent his whole time. There's a difference. Sanders has been critiquing the establishment his entire...

• 52:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't disagree, yeah.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  So, if you say to me, did the Democratic Party make a mistake? Our mistake was that we did not understand how upset the American people were at the system. We've had people as status quo politicians in our leadership, in our party, and we gotta have more change agents. The one thing that Donald Trump has done is he... He didn't just break the establishment of the Republican Party. I think he's broken the establishment of the Democratic Party. And if new leaders emerge from both sides, that are some of them progressive, some conservative, that's going to be good for the country. It's good, you know, get a new group of people out there with new ideas and independents and mixing it up. I mean, it's ridiculous to me that the Vice President Harris didn't come on shows like

• 53:07Speaker 04

  this or have a conversation. I mean, we've got to figure out how we get beyond our talking points and have, try to be real.

• 53:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, now that the political, the Democratic Party is, is from the outside, it looks like it's in shambles, okay? And, you know, they were saying this about the Republican Party a year ago. You know, it's like, hey, DeSantis, hey, Nikki Haley, hey, Trump, hey. It's like, wow, there's like three sects. If you think about the Republican Party, I would say a year ago, right? Was it a year ago? DeSantis, Haley and Trump?

• 53:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Because everybody's like, I don't know if Trump's going to make it. Looks like he's going to go to this. And then DeSantis, well, you know, he was kind of, year and a half ago, DeSantis had some momentum when they did the first Twitter Spaces with, I think it was on David Sacks' account, because Musk's account wouldn't be able to handle it, so they went on David Sacks' account. And then, you know, Nikki Haley is the person, and then she got her tail handed to her, and then that was a completely different thing. But then, when this took place, what does Trump get to say? People are with me. Not with you, not with you, they're with me, okay? And there's nothing you can say about the other side when that takes place. Today, the great Barack Obama, the hero of the left, the hero of the Democratic Party,

• 54:23Patrick Bet-David?

  the man who gets up and speaks, it's, oh my God, black Jesus is in the house today, right? He goes and campaigns and...

• 54:33Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the worst loss of his career, my opinion, this is what I think. Worst loss of his, I think the worst night of his life was November 5th, November 6th midnight. Worst day of his career, horrible. You're seeing right now speculation with him, Jennifer Aniston, his wife wasn't at the Jimmy Carter, you know, funeral and then she doesn't show up to this, so I'm, I'm, I understand why she wouldn't show up to the Trump. You know, and I totally get that, but why you wouldn't show up to Jimmy Carter and he's a Democrat and more stories and even to the point that Jimmy Kimmel is asking Jennifer Aniston on, on this show, hey, did you and Obama have anything because you're undercover, been touched? That you guys are kinda hanging out? Who knows what's going on over there? But, who is now the face of the Democratic Party? Who is now gonna bring people together? What policies are gonna get people to say, well, this is common sense because you guys went so radical?

• 55:18Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what's the future of the Democratic Party today?

• 55:21Speaker 04

  First of all, I think the President Obama and Michelle Obama's marriage is, is perfectly fine as any politician will tell you at, at a certain point, unless your spouse really, really wants to be in the political life, th- they can be done with showing up to, to every political event, so. Uh, here's what I would say, I, I, I think Obama himself would say, he's desperate to have a new generational leader step up. And my view is the first thing, that the first criteria for a Democratic politician should be to say, the status quo is not working, the political system's not working. You've got too many people who have been left out in the economy, you've got too much political corruption. And then we've gotta have a message on how we're gonna take on the political corruption

• 56:06Speaker 04

  and we've gotta have a message on the economy and we've gotta say, we're gonna be better for building wealth for your families and...

• 56:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so, everything you just said? Nobody believes that the left's gonna do better than the right and everything you said Trump is doing. Okay, just, just so you know.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  He can't run in 20, and I know he thinks he's gonna run...

• 56:22Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but that's not what I'm saying though, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, those policies are now policies of the right. Tom Homan's out there going around with Dr. Phil, hey, you're rapist, boom, you're out, hey, you're a murderer, he says, he says, what's your policy? And then Selena Gomez is crying, you know, oh my God, you know, I can't believe they're taking my people and then she takes the video down, it's embarrassing. Th- this is the video, if you wanna play this clip, Rob, go ahead and play this clip, go for it.

• 56:52Speaker 04

  So sorry.

• 56:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Lord, Lord, Lord, audio, Lord, this is, yeah, please, thank you.

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• 58:04Speaker 04

  I don't understand.

• 58:06Patrick Bet-David?

  We don't either.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry. I wish I could do something.

• 58:10Speaker 07

  She's a really good actress.

• 58:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I was about to say that. By the way, do you, do you, so you can posit at this point, honestly, my skin's hurting, but it, when you, when you see someone like this with, with acting, with, with, with somebody that gets up to cries like the way she does and wants to get the attention, you take it like, ah, Tom Homan specifically said, we're taking the worst out first. That's a statement. Worst out first, right? Okay. And this is going to get to, you know, the Lake and Riley act. I want to ask you because I know what you wrote and I know what you said. I want to talk about this. I think I want to hear your answer to it. But to me, everything you said, this is what the future Democratic Party, he's doing. So now if he does this for four years, and even elitist in Hollywood

• 58:55Patrick Bet-David?

  who see Trump there, these are people that you know their names that have a lot of followers, hundreds of millions of followers that I'm talking to, they're happy he's getting shit done, but they can't publicly say anything about it because God forbid, but they know he's going to get stuff done. They know for a fact she's not going to get stuff done, Mayor Bass. They know Newsom's just going to do his hand gestures that Vinnie's crushed and you know, he, he does it so well. This is the one that you do. And then that video that goes, no, no, no, he starts dancing.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  The master distractor of Gavin Newsom.

• 59:26Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but no, but, but now that you see he's getting that stuff done. What is the one differentiator about the Democratic Party with, where the populace can say, this is the one thing they're gonna do better than they are, honestly, and I'm asking this purely respectfully. I don't even know what that one thing is.

• 59:46Speaker 04

  Let me give you two things.

• 59:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Please, go for it.

• 59:48Speaker 04

  One is getting money, big money out of politics. I mean, if he comes on the side saying that he wants to overturn Citizens United, that he wants to get rid of PAC money and lobbyists money. And by the way, I don't have a holier-than-thou attitude on this. Kamala Harris had more billionaires supporting her than Donald Trump did. So I'm not saying that, oh, somehow the Democratic Party was holier than the Republican Party. But I think that whoever is gonna actually fight to get this big money out of politics, that is going to be something that'll resonate with people. We'll see if he does it. And the second thing is on the economy. Look, he's out there saying that he wants to bring manufacturing back.

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  He wants to bring high-paying jobs back. He wants to bring these jobs back to places like Galesburg, Illinois, Johnstown, Pennsylvania, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And if he can do it, great. My view is that simply deregulation and tariffs is not gonna be enough, that he's gonna have to have investment in scaling these factories in these communities. And that's the, the, the difference. But I don't think the Democratic Party should be afraid to, to say, we wanna be the party of reform, we wanna be the party of building America, we, we're the party of innovators. And you know what the great news is? There's no Donald Trump in 2028. I mean, Donald Trump is a unique, phenomenal candidate.

• 1:01:10Speaker 04

  And on my side, people who think that he is easily beatable are just, are delusional. He, he is a very charismatic candidate. And so what we should do is see, well, what, what about the American people? Why did they respond to him? Okay, they responded to him because of reform, they responded because they like his aspirational vision. We're gonna fill in the details in a better way, and, and we're gonna take that to be the party in, in 26 and 28.

• 1:01:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I be direct with you?

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:01:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. I don't think you sold it. Because I don't think you can. Because I think what you just said works against other democratic opponents that you have. I think you beat other democratic opponents. I don't know what your aspirations are long term. But that message will resonate with the new democratic youth in the party. And you'll win and you'll beat them. Like it's kind of being Eastern Conference, Western Conference. You know what I'm saying? Like NFC, AFC. And it's great. You may come up and be, you know, hey, we're such and such team. We're coming out of the Western Conference. I don't care if you're Seattle Supersonics. I don't care if you're the Phoenix Suns. I don't care if you're the Houston Rockets. You're not getting past Michael, okay? You're just not. That's just kind of how it works right, right now. I don't care who you are. You're not getting past Mahomes.

• 1:02:21Speaker 04

  Tell me why?

• 1:02:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And because your argument sucked the last four years. And you had a chance. And you royally screwed up. You, you, you, the Democratic Party royally screwed up. And remember, when I say Democratic Party and you-

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  Where do you, where do you see our biggest mess up in the last four years? I'm not disagreeing with you.

• 1:02:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have kids?

• 1:02:39Speaker 04

  We made mistakes. I do have kids.

• 1:02:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You have, you have two kids. I think you have, uh, how many kids? You have two kids?

• 1:02:43Speaker 04

  Two kids.

• 1:02:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Two kids, okay. So I, I look up to see your story, your family, what you do. Okay.

• 1:02:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You mean to tell me you agreed with all this stuff that they wanted to teach schools in California? I went to Glendale High School. Do you know what things they were teaching in Glendale with books and stuff to kids? Like, what are you doing? You think that's common sense? It's not. So maybe in the beginning, everybody was like, oh, just don't say anything. Just don't say anything. Just don't be tolerant. Just don't say anything. Hell no. My son came today and said something weird. I'm done. I'm going to the school. And I'm speaking up. Video goes viral, 50 million views, 20 million views, 8 million views. I feel the same way. I feel the same way. Okay. That policy was a shit show. Uh, you know what? The illegal immigrants, what's, America was built on immigrants. We should let immigrants come here. What's wrong with that? Who's gonna do these works? Like, who said that on The View?

• 1:03:34Patrick Bet-David?

  The lady said it. And now there's an article right now that came out. And guess what it says? It says, now that these immigrants are gonna be going, who's gonna do a lot of these jobs? They're no longer even embarrassed to say that, Rob. I don't know what-

• 1:03:44Speaker 04

  Who's gonna pick our crops and pick our nuts and all that stuff?

• 1:03:46Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, they're saying exactly what that lady- Said on the view who got criticized. Now they're openly and can America's economy cope with the mass deportation? You read the story, it's about. Who's gonna do these jobs that everybody else doesn't want to do? Okay, so that policy is gone because the borders and we saw what happened with. Lake and Riley, you know, terrible situation. Stories rapist comes back sanctuary cities completely got exposed and people. Who voted for the left don't want sanctuary cities with these great kids. So that got exposed. Number three, economy. Hey, um. You know, Biden and Democrats are for, you know. The, the low, low middle income families. Really? Go look up the gas prices, Rob, under each president, presidential administration. When you look up gas prices.

• 1:04:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Under each president, whether you go. Uh, uh, uh, is it? Yeah, that one right there. Look at this. So the red one is Bush goes up to three thirty, started at one forty six, one thirty nine. Obama. Goes up three sixty eight. Look at Trump. Stays down. Look at Biden. Goes up to four oh six. Did you keep my gas prices to go any lower? No. Okay, so you definitely. Made oil companies a lot of money. The profits under Biden for oil companies was a lot higher than the profits under Trump for oil companies. All right. So then. Obama does a clip of March eighteenth, two thousand. I don't know what the clip is when he's talking about the. Hey, you want to come here immigration? You know which clip I'm talking about and.

• 1:05:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You gotta come do it this way. And guess what? You gotta get back in the line because the people that are in Mexico who did it the right way, they gotta get ahead of you. It's not fair. For those guys that waited all these years. Share that. That's I saw you shared out a few days ago. That's common sense, right? But the Democratic Party today. Is no longer or. In my opinion, I can't see any arguments. That's common sense. John F. Kennedy, what he was talking about back then. Hey, we're gonna lower taxes so your family can make some money. Some of the money goes to you. Oh, what a nice guy. That's what lowering taxes is. Hey, we're gonna go out there and, you know, get rid of some of these things that we're doing because we wanted to be good for you. Uh, hey, we don't want any war. Oh, Democratic Party is against no war. Last four years. Hamas. Israel.

• 1:05:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Ukraine, Russia, and I thought it was the other way around. So this isn't the old Republican war. This is, hey, man, we're gonna go this way. It's gonna be America first. And unfortunately, the Democratic Party has law. And by the way, the amount of people you guys, even the Democrats, lost with TikTok. You had TikTok. So if we look at right now, what the Democratic Party still owns. Think about it, that you have majority control of. Um, military is getting rid of DEI. Pete Heck said you're seeing him going around doing all the stuff that he's doing. Okay. You, the Republic, you guys used to have TikTok. Cause China was using it, the left, brainwash, all that stuff. And then flipped.

• 1:06:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Charlie Kirk, 5 million followers, 40 million views, 36 million views, 28 million views, 32 million views. Why is that resonating? Cause the youth is saying, listen, ah, this is, this makes sense. Okay. Your biggest edge that you still have, that you have a monopoly on, and it's not even close. And it's gonna be a problem for 80 years unless if this gets addressed today. You know what it is? What? 98% of English teachers in public schools, they track their money. 98% of English teachers gave their money to Democratic Party. 97% was of health and guidance and science. 87% of math gave to Democratic Party. Only 13% gave to Republican Party.

• 1:07:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So the average person sends their kids to public schools for 12 years. They're going to be persuaded, manipulated, brainwashed by the Democratic Party. You have that control. And it's so powerful that you have that. Cause parents that can't afford to send their kids to private school and can't afford to do homeschooling because they both got a job, they don't know how to do that. It's tough on them. They have to send them to public school. So you have, you, that, you have possibly the most powerful monopoly in America. Possibly the most powerful monopoly in America. And that you have long term. But even that, kids are now having access to social media, to TikTok, to Instagram. They're like, I don't know if I agree with you, teacher. I don't know if I agree with you, teacher. I don't, and now people are watching Charlie Kirk's.

• 1:08:03Patrick Bet-David?

  How many other small Charlie Kirks are gonna be out there going on campuses? One, two, or hundreds, thousands? Who right now watches that business model saying, that's exactly what I wanna do? Debate me, debate me, debate me.

• 1:08:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I think this is gonna be very interesting because sincerely, when I watch what happened on the other side, I think you guys have no argument, even minimum wage, make the argument for minimum wage, okay? We gotta raise the minimum wage. Alright, Trump's probably gonna sit there and say, "Yeah, I partially agree, we should do it on the federal level." Now, what, uh, uh, uh, he's, he's done, there's, so, that's why, I'm trying to find out, truly, what is the one thing that the Democratic Party has an edge today where the average person could say, "I relate to you guys."

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  That's a, a, a lot. Let me first say this, that I'm not gonna say the Democratic Party is perfect, I'm part of the part, place, people calling for reform of the party. Let's start with the cultural issues. I think we have to assure families that they're gonna have a say in their kids' education, that it's gonna be common sense, and even where I take positions where they, I may disagree with people. Look, we may have a different view on transgender rights, LGBTQ rights, I don't know your, your positions, we've gotta stop coming off like we're better than people, or condescending, or that we can't have a disagreement with people on social and cultural issues, and respect that. And that is something that the Democratic Party needs to change, we've gotta become

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  a bigger tent party, and I think there's gonna be a new generation that does that. On the economy, look, I, I will defend two points of what Biden achieved, he got insulin to $35, and that was a huge win with the drug companies, and he had manufacturing investment increase over, compared to Trump. Now, Trump's gonna get four years of the economy, he's got the House, he's got the Senate, he's got the Supreme Court, and the American people are gonna get to see, is he really gonna have a manufacturing renaissance in places across America? I, I wish him luck, let's see. Is he going to raise the minimum wage? Is he gonna do something so health insurance companies aren't denying people for prescription

• 1:10:14Speaker 04

  coverage? Is he gonna negotiate to bring down the costs of prescription drugs? Is he gonna have a solution to childcare? He said he wants to do something. He's gonna have two years before The midterms to have his record in four years. And if the economy is humming, if he's gotten all this manufacturing back and wages are up and income inequality is coming down, we're gonna have, he's gonna be hard to beat, or his successor is gonna be hard to beat. But if he doesn't deliver that, and I think it's gonna be hard for him to deliver that just with tax breaks and tariffs, then there's gonna be an opening for the Democrats to say, we've gotta raise wages, we've gotta make more investments in these communities, we've gotta have, health insurers not denying your, your coverage, and have a populist economic

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  message with a respect on some of the cultural issues and an acknowledgement that we've been too, too judgmental as a party. The final point, California has got, has new leaders coming up. Matt Mahan, San Jose, common sense, public safety. Dan Lurie in San Francisco, common sense, public safety. New district attorneys being elected. I think that we've got a problem when you've got a governance in, in California that has not been effective on a number of issues, there's no denying that. But these new generation leaders, Rod Solwan in Fremont, are going to help bring California to a place of governance where people are gonna say, okay, they get, they heard the voters, they heard the voters.

• 1:11:43Speaker 07

  May I please do a follow-up? I believe that you're gonna be able to make a difference in California, because I think you're very moderate and reasonable, even though that you're a progressive capitalist, I have questions on that, but to double down on what Pat's asking, and I think I have a little bit of authority on this, because I've never voted for Trump in my life. I've never voted for a Republican president in my life. My father, you're looking, you just looked at me like, whoa, what are you talking about? Exactly. So my father was a JFK Democrat. What would JFK be today? You know, my first president, and I grew up with Bill Clinton, I believe you voted for Bill Clinton as well. The Democratic Party, you know, the famous phrase, like, I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party has left me. So, you know, Pat's concern is a little bit different. He has four kids, he's a family, he's running a business.

• 1:12:27Speaker 07

  I'm a little bit different, single, you know, I have, I have a nephew, all my best friends have kids, I was hanging out with them this weekend, they're all Democrats, all of them. And they're looking at me like, look at the MAGA guy walk in, I go, if you only knew. So, I think you guys, and I don't say this with, with any joy, you have lost men.

• 1:12:50Speaker 07

  Just dudes who just look at the world and they see wokeness and it's just antithetical to common sense. It just doesn't make any sense. This is someone who, how much tooth and nail this guy fought me for five years almost. Come on, why don't you come across the line? And I'm an independent, registered independent. It's not like I'm a bleeding heart liberal. I'm a Florida Democrat, which is basically a purple state. So, the rise of feminism, the abortion is the number one issue? You think I care about it? Like, you think that's my number one thing? I wanna make money and live my life and have the government out of my life.

• 1:13:29Speaker 07

  Much less, so the COVID mandates, I can go on and on here, but how do you get guys, just dudes, back to the Democratic Party?

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  I think you're absolutely right, first of all, that we have lost men, young men. I mean, the data shows it. Anecdotally, I was with a 27-year-old in my district today who said he liked me, liked Fetterman, he liked Bernie, but he just thought that he couldn't vote for the Democratic Party in the way it was, because it's not speaking to a lot of young guys, who, by the way, these were college graduates who are struggling to get a job right now and feel like we don't see them. One of the things I said when we had the whole Democratic Convention, and I said, "If you're a steelworker in Pennsylvania, if you're an autoworker in Michigan, in your

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  40s or 50s, if you're a manufacturer in Ohio, do you see yourself at the DNC? Do you see anyone out there who's really fighting for you?" Now, I'll tell you what we can't do, and what's not gonna do it, having people go and pretend to hunt, having people, you know, go play Madden Football, having people be like, "Oh, yeah, you know, here's what the..." Just talk about the Eagles, as if, as a man or that dumb. Yeah, fine, you can talk about the Eagles. They don't, they don't need you to be fake. What will work? What works for me? I say I represent the wealthiest place in the world. I know how to build wealth for the future.

• 1:15:06Speaker 04

  You want to talk about drilling for oil or manifest destiny and try to be Alexander the Great, you know? That's not how you build wealth in the 21st century. You know who knows how to build wealth? Elon knows how to build wealth. Technology leaders want to know how to build wealth. And I want to see the Democratic Party figure out how we're going to have that technology and wealth generation work for you. And if we can become the party that says we understand the future of wealth generation and we're going to give young people, men and women, but men also want to build wealth the opportunity to do that, that's our best shot of coming back. But if we can't win on the economy and being better for the future of young men, then we're not going to win.

• 1:15:47Speaker 07

  I hope you're right.

• 1:15:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It's interesting when you're saying this now.

• 1:15:50Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Because if we play a clip and go back six months ago, your concern was abortion was going to be a big part of the election in 2024. If you remember that.

• 1:16:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:16:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And because in midterms it was, if you remember when they go, there's a red wave, red wave. No red wave because two weeks prior to that, whatever, Mitch McConnell passed the Roe v. Wade was completely moved on, right? So, so, so anyways, interestingly so, going to the next one.

• 1:16:19Speaker 07

  Meaning that's what, just to clarify, that's what I thought the Democratic Party was going to run on.

• 1:16:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm saying, by the way, for me, I thought it was going to be a big part of it. First of all, Kamala is the worst candidate in the history of candidates that I've seen to run for office. Josh Shapiro would have been better, Newsom would have been better, Pritzker would have been better. She was horrible, with a capital H, she was horrible of a candidate. Somebody else may have presented that argument better, we'll see. But you're right, we're going to find out in the next two years. You have it, what are you going to do now? If he does, this could be more than just a four-year thing that others, J.D. Vance and other superstars could come behind it. I want to ask you this, I want to ask you this, I want to get to this. Lake and Riley Act comes out, okay? And, you know, you're seeing it, hey, what is this about?

• 1:17:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll just read it for, you know, whoa, you know, uh, uh, Lake and Riley, we heard this story on what happened, 22 years old student, August, Augusta University, she went out for a run. We've seen the video, it's tragic, it's devastating, it's hard to watch, right? And I hear the stories, all this stuff, it's devastating, watching the parents, very difficult. This act is a proposed law that requires the Department of Homeland Security to detain non-citizens charged with or convicted of theft, related crimes, assault, assaulting a police officer, or crime that results in death, or serious bodily injury, like drunk driving. Now, when this came out, some were, Democrats were like, yeah, I'm behind it, you know,

• 1:17:45Patrick Bet-David?

  for example, uh, you, you had, um, uh, Representative Catherine Cortez Masto from Nevada, anyone who commits a crime should be held accountable, that's why I voted to pass the Lake and Riley Act, and many others, I can give a lot of other names, but that was one of the main ones that came out. And Fetterman also backed this bill because he wants to secure border, I got a few other names. Those who didn't, here's what AOC said, she said, "In the wake of tragedy, we are seeing fundamental erosion of our civil rights." In this bill, if a person is so much as accused of a crime, if someone wants to point a finger and accuse someone of shoplifting, they would be rounded up and put into a private detention

• 1:18:26Patrick Bet-David?

  camp and sent out for deportation without a day in court. And then, this is what we saw here, okay, support 263, opposed 156, did not 14. Rob, I think there's a, you said something about it, Rob, if you want to pull that up, where, is this the one, let me see here, Roe, uh, uh, voted against it, the bill passed by 263, 150, 156, 48 Democrats, 20 Republicans on support. Lake and Riley Act mandates, we read that already, Representative Connor has expressed concerns that the bill's potential implications for civil liberties and its impact on immigrant communities, in an interview, he emphasized the importance of comprehensive immigration reform over punitive measures.

• 1:19:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, keep this in mind, it's stuff like this, where it's like, dude, what are you talking about, like you don't want to defend this? So what do you say to people that are flabbergasted that someone like you opposed a bill like this?

• 1:19:19Speaker 00

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• 1:20:25Speaker 04

  There's no dispute that someone who is a criminal on sex offenses, rape, murder, violent robbery, should be deported if they're convicted of a crime. I voted on HR 30 where the recently, this week, it was a Nancy Mace bill, which said if someone is convicted of sexual offenses, they should be deported. I voted yes on that. Mike, at the same time, and this is where we may disagree. You know, look, in my district, I was just back home. There are people who are afraid, who are undocumented and their kids are going to school. There's someone who is a Vietnamese-American woman. She has a business that provides food

• 1:21:09Speaker 04

  for services, employs 10 people. She's afraid that she may get deported. There was a guy from Guatemala who's a handyman at an apartment building. He's actually legal. He's concerned about what's going to happen to his papers. So there's a fear. My view is that most Americans want the criminals out.

• 1:21:29Speaker 04

  But they do not want the mass deportation of people who've been here for many years, even if they came here undocumented, if they're law abiding and if they're paying taxes.

• 1:21:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So maybe, what's your impression of what, understanding of what the Lake and Riley Act is about?

• 1:21:42Speaker 04

  So, on the Lake and Riley Act, the issue was that it wasn't conviction. If you had just changed it on conviction, I would have voted for it. I still would if they introduced something that says conviction. My concern on Lake and Riley is it said, if you have an arrest, if you have a suspicion that someone has done something wrong, and we have a history in this country going all the way back to Sacco and Vicente of people who are immigrants being wrongly accused. The Fourteenth Amendment says, in the Constitution, it says, "No person," doesn't say "no citizen," it doesn't say "no legal American."

• 1:22:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Come on, bro.

• 1:22:17Speaker 04

  It says, "No person should be denied life, liberty, or..."

• 1:22:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god, you're gonna do that.

• 1:22:22Speaker 04

  The Constitution.

• 1:22:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Bro, come on.

• 1:22:24Speaker 04

  Constitution, come on.

• 1:22:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand that, but look, I'm an immigrant, okay? We wanted a green card. We applied for one since eighty-four, okay? We didn't get it while we're in Iran. And keep in mind, what, nineteen? I'm living in Tehran, Iran. We waited, we waited, we waited, we waited, we waited. Finally, my mom's like, "How many die?" Six weeks later, "We gotta get out." So we go to Germany at a refugee camp. And we're living at the refugee, waiting to come over here, right? A year and a half. Then we finally get it, and we're coming here. And we came here, you know, feeling like I owe everything to this country. You wanna say a person, means an illegal immigrant, come in here and you wanna qualify the word like that?

• 1:23:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Now you're talking lawyer jargon type of stuff, and, and, fine, you can use that. You know what that does? It irritates the shit out of the average day-to-day American that says, "Hey, who's more important than me? Who is more important than me?"

• 1:23:18Speaker 04

  Nobody.

• 1:23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm here. I'm a citizen. The American's gonna say, "I'm a citizen. What do you mean, so we wanna protect them? I don't even want that guy in my community." If somebody's even having, "You're in my country, you came here, and you wanna hurt someone? You wanna do something? Get the hell out of here." We don't even, it's, to me, honestly, um... You know, if, if you're here, you do anything to our kids, you're an illegal immigrant, my opinion, I'm not running, I'm a guy that's, you know, a business owner. It's death penalty at the highest level when you're doing it at that level? No, there, there shouldn't be any hesitation with that. That's the part where, uh, you lose the common sense, people that don't follow politics on a day-to-day basis.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  Look, I, I love your story, it's a patriotic story, it's similar to my parents. My parents didn't flee, uh, the kind of Iranian revolution. But my grandfather spent four years in jail alongside Gandhi and India's independence movement. My parents came here legally, my dad has a student visa in Michigan to study engineering. They got a green card, they became citizens. Uh, I was born in Philadelphia in 1976, our bicentenary. And an Indian-American of Hindu faith goes to be elected to Silicon Valley, argue the most economically prosperous place in the world. That's an American story, I get that this is the greatest country. I get that coming to America as an immigrant is a huge privilege.

• 1:24:44Speaker 04

  It's like winning the lottery, being born in America is like winning a lottery. And most immigrants, in my view, are very patriotic. You know, my parents, they said, "Go work hard, go make good grades, go learn about this country's history." And they want to contribute to this nation. Now, what I'm saying is that if there are criminals, and you, you, the fact, by the way, is that immigrants don't commit, uh, as much crime statistically as people like me, who are born in the United States. So let's not paint them with a bad, broad brush. If there are immigrants who are committing criminal acts and are convicted, deport them. Deport them without question, but why not just give them a trial?

• 1:25:24Speaker 04

  That's, that's what makes America exceptional, that we do that, and we can do that, without compromising it. I'll give you this point, I think because they, there was such a sense in this country that we were too lax on the border, that too many people, eight million people came in, that there have been all these horrendous, horrific crimes like Lake and Riley. People have lost patience. They've lost the sense of the grace that they probably had even 10, 15 years ago. And the pendulum has swung in a, in a, in a direction. My hope is that pendulum will swing back to where it was around when George W. Bush was president. But we're, we're talking about legal immigration. He, he came here with his family legally. My parents, my grandparents all came here legally.

• 1:26:08Speaker 04

  What we're talking about is if you're coming into this country as a, as an illegal immigrant, alien, whatever you call them, your first thing that you're doing is committing a crime. You are illegally coming into the country. Period, plain and simple. And in the case with the murderer that murdered Lake and Riley, Jose Antonio Ibarra, he came in in 2022. He was apprehended, paroled, released. Then he went to New York City, unregistered vehicle, five-year-old passenger. He got charged there. Then he went to Athens with his brother in San Diego. They got cited for shoplifting in Mississippi. They got, they got released. And then in February, because you know, our system just releases and releases and they put these illegals over the citizens, he goes in and murders this poor girl.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  So I understand we are a nation of, of giving, because that's, that's why we're here. But the word illegal, I think just, it, it completely goes over the left's brain and they don't understand that you're already committing a crime. And I think there's a big difference between that and legally being here. It's a huge difference. It's a huge difference. Tom.

• 1:27:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, you know, there's so many positions that you take that seem reasonable. You know, you're talking about parents should have a stay in school. Okay, that's nice to say. Where are you backing it up and what legislation do you support or not support? And you make comments about, you know, the economy. You make comments about Citizens United, a lot of things. And then you, you talk about defending not America. I've been sitting here listening and I've been counting and you have defended the party. We need the party. The party needs to do this. The DNC needs to do this. It's like, what flag are you saluting? It's like, and you're saying a new generation is coming up. Your generation is here now. It's like all the things you're talking about, you sound like an independent and then you, you take this, this position. It's like Don Quixote attacking the windmills, you know, to go back and fix the DNC for

• 1:27:57Speaker 07

  all of its flaws, that I credit you for openly pointing out those flaws, but you seem like more of an independent, but then there's a little asterisk at the end that you, you don't support the Lake and Riley Act and you make some, some comments. That are on that progressive line, it's like you've got an opportunity here. I think you've got a big opportunity. And my question is, do you owe too much to Obama, who put you on that commerce position? Do you owe too much to Pelosi? Do you owe too much to DNC that you can't walk like a great Californian once walked and said, "I can't take this anymore and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be more independent and I'm gonna be conservative and be Republican." And that Californian is Ronald Reagan. It's not like there's no precedent for someone that has your passion, your intellect and

• 1:28:42Speaker 07

  your focus on some of these things. But when you go to this, it just, it feels like it just cuts the knees out from the rest of it for the average person that looks at and goes, "Hey, I like this, I like this, I like this." Wait a minute, he did what?

• 1:28:54Speaker 04

  That's a fair, fair point. Let me say that in Nancy Pelosi's case, she endorsed against me three times. So I ran against an incumbent in my own party twice, and so I certainly don't owe her a thing. President Obama, I have great respect and admiration for. I don't owe him anything because I, you know, it's, he's such a, I mean, he's already been a two-term president, but I do respect and admire him. But here's, here's the point. I think on the economy, I have a new independent vision. I had on, on reforming the political process, I do. I'm a son of immigrants, legal immigrants, but I'm a son of immigrants. I have a district where I've got a lot of people who are immigrants as well.

• 1:29:39Speaker 04

  And I think fundamentally, we can have a secure border, be a country that deports criminals and still have a humanity that says that immigrants can enrich America. That's, you know, I, it's not that I'm dumb politically. I know that on this position that I'm a, it's probably a 30-70 or 40-60 position. But you know what the American people will respect? You know, that I can come on this show and say where I stand, and I'm gonna say the same thing if I go to a progressive show, and they're gonna know where I stand on issues. And I, ultimately, I think one of the reasons Trump won is that people knew where he stood. And it's too many

• 1:30:20Speaker 04

  politicians they'll go they'll try to bend their message one way or the other in my case I'm an open book there are places that I have

• 1:30:26Patrick Bet-David?

  you're right you you earned you earned the respect for doing that we we you have no idea how much we respect the fact that you do that and that's great Stephen A Smith is a good friend of ours you were just on Bill Maher with Stephen A and we've had a lot of different conversations together he came out recently and said he regrets you know voting for Kamala and he was very open about him when he told you guys to you to you know Bill

• 1:30:49Speaker 04

  he's a hell of a debater huh

• 1:30:51Patrick Bet-David?

  and and what's even more dangerous is if he starts 100% believing this stuff and it's conviction it's gonna be more than being a debater he's gonna be a thorn but but the part that I think Tom is making a point of and I I I'm with Tom on this one is this

• 1:31:08Patrick Bet-David?

  look what happened with Fetterman from just a few years ago to today what did we say about Fetterman a few years ago how critical was everybody about Fetterman we're like who the hell is this guy who are you and he beat Dr Oz did he beat Oz

• 1:31:26Speaker 04

  yeah and

• 1:31:26Patrick Bet-David?

  the special election yeah and what are you talking about guy is this really guy is this this has gotta be a joke and it's like no this is the guy and he goes he was if you have the view clip Rob he goes to visit with Trump and they're asking him trying to wait to see what he's gonna be saying so how was it he says no there was no photo ops if you want to play this clip go for it

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  is it anything you've been saying or or or do you anticipate that there's gonna be changes that we should be prepped for that we we're not thinking about

• 1:31:58Speaker 05

  I mean honestly I haven't been surprised by anything now I mean uh he's been doing essentially what he actually campaigned on that he announced he is gonna pardon the J six individuals he is gonna absolutely go after the border uh so there's a lot of things that he's already ran on I mean criticize a lot of it and I don't agree with everything either but it's undeniable he actually ran on that and been really upfront he's like I am your reputation and he's you know kind of making those moves so uh that's kind of where we're

• 1:32:28Patrick Bet-David?

  is this the one where he explains when he was invited

• 1:32:30Speaker 05

  right here immediately after the election I was like hey you know we have a choice you know we can freak out and follow every other thing around you know like a cat you know with a laser right you know after everyone uh but I'm not I'm not that guy I'm not gonna be that Democrat

• 1:32:43Patrick Bet-David?

  respect

• 1:32:43Speaker 05

  you know for me there's things I'm gonna agree with I'm gonna disagree with but I'm in the business of

• 1:32:48Speaker 06

  of finding wins for Pennsylvania and for the nation and engaging the president. I think I see that as doing my job.

• 1:32:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And Rob, he explains.

• 1:32:59Speaker 05

  And I wanted to ask you, so you went down to Mar-a-Lago and met with the president. And he actually was singing your praises after. He said, "You are fascinating, impressive, a common sense person." I agree with him on that. Not a liberal or a conservative. I'm curious what your takeaway was from meeting with him and what if you found that there's any specific policy areas you think you can work with him on?

• 1:33:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, I think overall it was a positive experience. I mean, he was, he was, he was kind, he was cordial. It wasn't in a, in any kind of theater. It wasn't trying to get your picture taken to kind of put something out on social media. It was just really a conversation. I actually spoke for over an hour. And overall, my wife was there and she might be watching right now at home. Hi, Gisele, you're home. And she was there as well, too, and we just had a conversation. And one of the things, can we agree on? Well, one of the things that was easy, like the Dreamers, you know, the Dreamers, immigration, that. And Gisele was part of that community and we both had the opportunity to express that. You know, I would also, you know.

• 1:34:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You're getting positive right there. You know what I would say with what he did? He's gained points and the Democratic Party fears him. And I love that because he can be controlled. You know who else was like that? Trump. The Republican Party feared him because they couldn't control him. And that's the part where what you're saying is you have a shot at being that next, like a mansion, a Fetterman, that's a, by the way, we want, you know, to see more Fettermans and more Mansions and even we would support, you know, certain things with that because you're standing. It's not going to be like I'm afraid of this guy, gotta be making this guy happy, I gotta make that guy happy. I think there's a massive opportunity in the Democratic Party for someone like you, but it requires risk and that risk is very, very scary.

• 1:34:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, and I understand what the risk is. It's very scary to all of a sudden be like, oh my God, if I lose that guy, lose this money, lose that, what am I going to do with this? If all of a sudden I get this, but what you'll notice will happen. Look at the risk a few people took the last four years. Let's talk about the biggest risk people took the last eight years. Number one is Trump. No one's taking a bigger risk than Trump in the last eight years. We have to all argue, you agree with that? That's the risk, okay. Number two, the biggest risk I would say last eight years, I would probably put RFK on that. He took a risk and it was a legit risk that he took. His own family, there's a story that came out that some of the people in his family don't want the RFK, John F. Kennedy and MLK assassination to be released.

• 1:35:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What? What do you mean you don't want it to be released? You don't want to find out who killed your grandfather, your uncle, whatever the person, the lineage was? You don't want that? He took a risk. His family, imagine his family gatherings, you think they're having a family reunion inviting Bobby Jr.? I don't know about that. He took a risk. Tulsi took a risk going after Hillary. And what did Hillary do? Convinced the world she's a Russia asset. Till today, we're putting an event in Vegas, she's supposed to come and speak at the event, then right, the day before the event, what was that thing that she was linked to? Do you remember that rap where she was linked to something in August? Where she couldn't get out, it was a quiet, there was a quiet something?

• 1:36:08Speaker 07

  She had been put on the Quiet Skies list and she actually couldn't travel.

• 1:36:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:36:13Speaker 07

  Because they were impeding her ability to move freely around the US.

• 1:36:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me? This is not somebody that has money. So maybe Trump has the billions, he can afford it. Maybe Bobby has some money as an environmental lawyer, he's made some good decisions. He can't afford it. She's not a rich person. Not that I know, I don't, I don't follow her net worth. I don't see, I don't know what Tulsi, can you type in Tulsi Gabbard net worth? I don't know how much money she's got.

• 1:36:34Speaker 07

  If she's doing the Tulsi, Nancy Pelosi tracker, then she should be good, but I don't think she is.

• 1:36:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What is her net worth?

• 1:36:39Speaker 07

  Thirty-six thousand and three dollars.

• 1:36:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I told you, that one says fifty-five million to one hundred and twenty-seven million dollars. I don't know what her net worth is.

• 1:36:45Speaker 07

  You can't believe these things online.

• 1:36:47Patrick Bet-David?

  ABC says that's her net worth?

• 1:36:48Speaker 07

  I'm a billionaire online guy.

• 1:36:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, I didn't know what her numbers.

• 1:36:50Speaker 07

  I got ten billion.

• 1:36:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's another risk that was taken, right? Musk took a risk. Joe Manchin took a risk. I would put, you know, I would put a few guys, but watch what happened to these guys. The, the level of trust that the average person look, whoa, what are you doing? But it came at a price of losing certain things as well. So I, I understand it's gonna be tough. If you wanna respond to it or say anything, you know, I'd be curious to know what you're thinking right now.

• 1:37:21Speaker 04

  Well, I agree with you that people want, uh, independent voices and they want people who are gonna be willing to call out their party. I have done it in certain cases, right? On free speech, I obviously went against my party. When Doge happened, I got criticized because I said, well, if there's a smart idea for Doge to cut Pentagon spending, then I'm gonna work with that. Or if there's a smart idea to have, uh, competition, I'm gonna, uh, work on that. Uh, I've had Trump in his first term sign five of my bills. So I'm gonna work on, uh, figuring out how, uh, to get legislation if it's good for the American people. But I'm not, in my view, gonna compromise some of the values, not because of the politics, because that's who I am. And I think the one thing people can smell is a phony.

• 1:38:05Speaker 04

  And if you start to say stuff that you don't believe, uh, that's not good. But look, I, I think it's good for the country to have two strong parties. I'll tell you, one of the problems in California, frankly, is it's become a one-party state. And I don't think that's healthy anywhere, Republican or Democrat.

• 1:38:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 1:38:21Speaker 04

  And so, yeah, when I say with the Democrats, I think the biggest thing we need to do is to have more courage, to have just an independent view of what you want. Now, I would add to the risk takers, you may disagree ideologically, but Bernie Sanders had a lot of guts when he went up against the, uh, in 2016 and 2020, the establishment of the party. And he was calling for reform within the party. Obama, when he ran in 08, I mean, he was-

• 1:38:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not a risk taker.

• 1:38:50Speaker 04

  You didn't think when he ran against Hillary?

• 1:38:51Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I agree 100% Sanders is a risk taker. You're right, 100%. I don't believe Obama's a risk taker.

• 1:39:00Speaker 04

  In 08, he wasn't.

• 1:39:01Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I think Obama was a person that in 04, you know what it's like? Here's what it was like with Obama. When LeBron was 16 years old, there's a legendary game everybody talks about. I don't know if you've heard about the story or not. Have you heard about this?

• 1:39:15Speaker 04

  I have some.

• 1:39:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So, yeah, when LeBron is a game, Michael is playing. Jordan is playing. LeBron's 16 years old, it's a pickup game. Okay, have you heard about this or no?

• 1:39:24Speaker 04

  Of course I have.

• 1:39:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And then they said, you've never heard about this?

• 1:39:27Speaker 04

  LeBron's playing with Jordan?

• 1:39:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you joking?

• 1:39:29Speaker 04

  I've never heard this.

• 1:39:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so LeBron James breaks silence on legendary Michael Jordan pickup game when he was 16 years old. I was unguardable. I don't know if it's unguardable or not.

• 1:39:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was fast.

• 1:39:37Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but if you go down and read the stories from what other people said about this game, right there it says NBA-

• 1:39:41Speaker 04

  I want to hear about this.

• 1:39:42Patrick Bet-David?

  NBA superstar LeBron James has broken a silence on legendary pickup game against Michael Jordan. Another basketball that told the name saying he was 16 year old, school came in. And they're like, holy shit, who is this guy? Guess what? Everybody knew this guy's gonna be a superstar. But he's not Michael Jordan. But he became a superstar, okay?

• 1:40:01Patrick Bet-David?

  When Obama got up and gave that DNC speech in 04, you don't have to be left, right, center to say he's a superstar. Everybody sat there and said, oh my God. Who the hell is this guy? It's like the first time I heard the song by Carlos Santana and Wyclef, Maria Maria. The first time I heard Desert Rose by Sting. Or the first time I heard, you know, some of these songs where you're like-

• 1:40:22Speaker 04

  Hit 'em up by Tupac?

• 1:40:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Alicia Keys, when she did Fallen, you're like, man. That voice was like, whoa!

• 1:40:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:40:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You just get a shock.

• 1:40:29Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:40:30Patrick Bet-David?

  He is a once in a lifetime talent. I don't think he took a risk. I think everybody got behind him and they funded him. It's different. Bernie was a person that took a massive risk. But also with Bernie, you know what it is? There is taking the risk. There is being anti-establishment, which is a risk. Then the other side is, policies suck. People don't want socialism, okay? It just doesn't, people don't want to raise more taxes and do that. You've been in the government for 40 plus years. And on your honeymoon, you went to Russia. My dream isn't to go to Russia for my honeymoon. I want to go to America on my honeymoon. But you had all these other places, you chose to go to Russia. Listen, I respect you, you're a fighter, you took risks. Bad policies. That would be my differentiate. You can disagree with that, but that's what I would say with Bernie.

• 1:41:11Speaker 04

  I think where he connected with people is two places. On healthcare, people said this healthcare system, as far as is broken. We're paying all this money. Premiums are going up. And there is a better way to be able to do it in terms of covering people and lowering costs. And also, he was a huge voice against wars. I mean, he was a huge voice against all of the overseas wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

• 1:41:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Once a democratic position.

• 1:41:35Speaker 04

  Once a Democratic position can be a Democratic position, yeah. But I, I, I think for us, the biggest issue for the Democrats to come back is still gonna be on the economy and convincing people that we're the party of building. You know, the thing about Trump's speech that, that I thought where he was very effective in the inaugural was when he was talking about the American frontier and the Americans build things and we're gonna go to Mars and we're gonna unleash the American spirit. That was Kennedy, that was Clinton in some ways, that. We as Democrats have to be the party that says we're gonna go build the economic future in this country. And in my view, we've got a great opportunity because Silicon Valley still is hugely Democratic.

• 1:42:17Speaker 04

  We just don't keep upsetting, we're losing them one by one by one. But that's where we can start to build a why, why we can have an economic revitalization.

• 1:42:26Patrick Bet-David?

  California is gonna lose even more people than, than they lost after COVID.

• 1:42:29Speaker 07

  You said you're losing, uh, who in Silicon Valley?

• 1:42:32Speaker 04

  Well, I lose, I mean, we, it's gone from probably 90, 10 Democratic to now 70, 30.

• 1:42:36Speaker 07

  Why are they getting so much common sense out there in California? What's happening? But the, what Bernie had is exactly what Kamala didn't have. The ability to get your attention. When Bernie came on stage in 2016, you couldn't look away. You're like, who is this guy? I've never seen anything like him.

• 1:42:51Speaker 04

  Crazy.

• 1:42:51Speaker 07

  And then, and like, so, and it was such a powerful message, the millionaires and the billionaires, and then it turned out that he was a millionaire. So then it was just the billionaires at that point. But Kamala gets on stage and any reasonable person's like, get this lady out of my face. But I gotta give you credit because, you know, your, your district, you know, you're, you said it's how much trillion, 10 trillion dollars in wealth?

• 1:43:13Patrick Bet-David?

  12.

• 1:43:13Speaker 07

  12, you know, what's 10 trillion dollars these days? 150 million ain't what it used to be, Roe, if you understood what I mean. But, um, your district, you're actually probably the perfect guy because you're a progressive capitalist, which I'm still grappling to understand what that is exactly, because.

• 1:43:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't wanna go there, I wanna go on a different issue.

• 1:43:32Speaker 07

  Well, I just wanna understand, like, why I think you resonate.

• 1:43:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:43:35Speaker 07

  And why I think the Democratic Party and the Progressive Party, the caucus is just sort of on a road to nowhere is because you look at the Bernie of the world or the A. of the world.

• 1:43:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to get past this. I don't want to stay on the story.

• 1:43:48Speaker 07

  The country doesn't want them.

• 1:43:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I'm with you. I want to get past the story and I want to go to the border. Rob, can you do me a favor and pull up, uh, pull up, uh, what Tom Homan's been doing as well as what's been happening with the border since he's been in. So is this him, uh, explaining, uh, uh, what's this clip about, Rob?

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  This is him responding to Meet the Press. Uh, this is where Meet the Press questions the effects on the economy of mass deportations. And then I also have Tom Homan responding to the Selena Gomez clip that we played earlier.

• 1:44:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Which Selena Gomez was crying and emotional and then he responds to. But the reality of it is, if you want to play this clip, go for it, Rob. How long is it? Let me see how long it is.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  One minute thirty.

• 1:44:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go for it.

• 1:44:28Speaker 02

  I don't know if you've had a chance to see the, a video that has been going viral over the past hour or so. We're still working to clear it and show it. In fact, the Hollywood celebrity who posted it has now deleted it. I, I, I think because probably she faced a lot of backlash for it, noting even the New York Times and Fox News polls show that a majority of American respondents are in favor of deportations of criminals and gang members. Uh, she posted a video sobbing. She was crying in it. She said, "All my people are getting attacked," uh, with the picture of a Mexican flag. Again, she has now taken that down. But what do you say to those who are out there saying that, that these are everyday people, these are families that are being attacked and dragged out of their homes? How do you respond to that?

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  I don't think we arrested any families. We've arrested public safety threats and national security threats, bottom line. And look, President Trump won the election on this one issue, securing our border and saving lives. This, what happened on our southern

• 1:45:24Patrick Bet-David?

  border last four is the biggest national security threat this country's seen, at least in my lifetime, because we got over two million known gotaways. We got a 600% increase in sex trafficking. We got a record number of terrorists crossing the border on terrorist watch list. We have quarter million Americans diving fentanyl coming across the open border. We're going to do this job and we're going to enforce the laws of this country. If they don't like it, then go to Congress and change the law. We're going to do this operation with no apology. We're going to make our community safer. We're going to save. Once we lock that border on continuous operation, you're going to see fentanyl deaths decrease, illegal alien crime decrease, sex trafficking decrease. It's just all for the good of this nation and we're going to keep going. No apologies. We're moving forward.

• 1:46:04Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean, he's the best? How do you not love this? Unapologetic. I mean, that's, that's the part about him where, isn't there one where Dr. Phil went with him on one, Rob? I think there is. Oh, was that Chicago, where they walked around Chicago? Yeah, if you have one, he's talking to this guy and he's, I found it, it's right here. It's like Marshawn Lynch. If you want to play this clip, but watch how the guy talks. Is that, no.

• 1:46:25Speaker 07

  What's your name?

• 1:46:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Sada. Wait a minute, pause it. Did you say Marshawn Lynch? It looked to me, I thought it was Marshawn Lynch. I'm sorry, I was about to lose it. I don't know if they're gonna kick him out of the country, but the Seattle Seahawks will take that guy right about now. Play the clip, Rob, I was about to laugh hard. Go, go play the clip. I'm sorry.

• 1:46:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Sada Walker, you have a person I think. Lower audio a little bit. Sada Sam?

• 1:46:44Speaker 04

  Yes. Where you from?

• 1:46:49Speaker 04

  Where I was born or where I'm from? Where you born? Thailand.

• 1:46:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Thailand?

• 1:46:54Speaker 04

  You've been deported before from the United States? No. Never been deported? I've been in the system before. Yeah? Yeah. What have you been charged with? Charged with? Before?

• 1:47:11Speaker 04

  I'm not a senator, I'm not talking to my lawyer.

• 1:47:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Smart man.

• 1:47:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. Are you a citizen? My mother's a citizen. Your mother's a citizen? Yes. But you're not? Nope. But you've never been deported before? We got Dr. Phil, we got Dr. Phil.

• 1:47:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, he just realized.

• 1:47:29Speaker 04

  Yeah? How do you know me? No, I seen, I seen Dr. Phil, you know, on TV. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah?

• 1:47:38Patrick Bet-David?

  It's Tom Homan over there. Yep.

• 1:47:40Speaker 04

  Well, this is an example of sanctuary cities, right? We got an illegal alien convicted of sex crimes involving children.

• 1:47:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me? No.

• 1:47:47Speaker 04

  He's walking the streets of Chicago.

• 1:47:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He's just hanging out.

• 1:47:50Speaker 04

  Again, the downfall, the problem with a sanctuary city that people like us walk in the street rather than like the law enforcement work.

• 1:47:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Our federal agents, this is what we're dealing with. Yeah. You been charged with sex crimes with children?

• 1:48:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Not really. Not really?

• 1:48:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And never been deported? Nope. Huh. Let's take him in process and lock him up. Got it, sir. All right, so you get a transport vehicle? We're going on it. I just gotta love Tom Homan.

• 1:48:23Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 1:48:23Patrick Bet-David?

  He reminds me of a drill sergeant, like, nah, go for a six-mile run.

• 1:48:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:48:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Be back. No, don't like what you guys did. Tom, thoughts?

• 1:48:30Speaker 07

  I'll tell you, tell you my thoughts. Everybody watch that. Look at the methodical way that it's taking place. They're not sweeping through malls, saying, you, you, and you, and putting you in the zip-tie handcuffs. They're going place to place, starting with, what did Tom Homan said? We're gonna start with the worst that we know that have record. And they're, they're doing it. And they're doing it methodically. And they're doing it humanely. So everybody that wants to say all these things and, and spin it and pre-spin it and, and come with fear, bring me the facts. Just bring me the facts. You know, words talk and emotions talk, but numbers scream. And the numbers that's on that rap sheet are significant. And take a look at that. That's being done in a methodical, humane way.

• 1:49:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and not only that, that's what American people want. We gotta get rid of these criminals in the streets.

• 1:49:16Speaker 07

  Do it the right way?

• 1:49:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I saw a lady is like, look, I saw them coming in my community and I, and one guy who was a congressman or senator is like, look, I don't want them coming to Washington. I want them to come to my city.

• 1:49:25Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:49:26Patrick Bet-David?

  When is Homan coming to our city? Come and clean it up, because we want you to come over here, right?

• 1:49:29Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:49:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, people are like, wanting this.

• 1:49:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:49:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's next? Can you come to our city next? Can you come to our city next? Rob, what is this here, by the way? Uh, this is the construction on the southern border wall being restarted after Trump was elected president. You wanna play that clip?

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• 1:50:47Patrick Bet-David?

  How, did it start on day one, Rob? Do you know?

• 1:50:50Speaker 07

  I'll have to look. This was this week. I don't know the exact date.

• 1:50:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and where is this? Is this? Is this around Nancy Pelosi's song "To Make It Safe" or is this, is this on the border? Where? Where, where is this?

• 1:51:04Speaker 07

  This is on the border. Let me look. It's, uh...

• 1:51:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't you just love that sound? There's so many jokes I can tell.

• 1:51:11Speaker 07

  Something, I know.

• 1:51:12Patrick Bet-David?

  That sound comes with three jokes.

• 1:51:14Speaker 07

  But isn't, but isn't it? Okay, like, doesn't it bother you, Rob, that, like, this, for this past four years, this complete wa, open border policy that the Biden administration and Alejandro Mayorkas, he's one of my favorites, have purposely done? The fact that on day one, day two, day three, you're seeing these people, they know where all of them are. Didn't they just locate 75,000 children that have been missing that they have found like that? So that means the past administration, uh, knew where they were. They knew this entire time where all these people are. And I think we're getting less flak, Pat, this time because Trump knows he has these four years and he's gone. Nobody even cares about the, the silly, all the tears, all the liberal tears, all these fake out of touch Hollywood people could cry as much as they want. It, it, it's not gonna work.

• 1:51:59Speaker 07

  And I wanted to ask you, Rob, like, the, the, besides the open border policy, which I'm not saying you, because I actually respect the hell out of you, what the other side and the Gavin Newsom's and all these people are like, "Come on in, come on in, come on in, come on in." And then you have Gavin Newsom making it illegal to even ask for an ID for people to vote in California. Isn't that inviting illegals to come to a state where they're like, "Hey, listen, come here, we'll give you everything and you could vote." And if anybody even attempts to ask for your ID, it's illegal.

• 1:52:28Speaker 04

  Look, we gotta, first, I'm not gonna defend the administration, previous administration's border policy, but it's obviously, the New York Times came out with a report that said 8 million people came across without any paperwork. Yeah. Obviously, we made mistakes, I mean, the administration made mistakes, and there needed to be a more secure border. Now, they had a tough hand, because with Title 42 during COVID, it was a total blanket ban on immigration, and the courts said that you can't have Title 42 after COVID, but they should have been prepared, and there should have been more security in terms of the border. And my view is the Democratic Party going forward is gonna do that.

• 1:53:11Speaker 04

  I think that's how you, and if we're gonna deport sex offenders and criminals, I'm all for that. My fear is, and maybe I'll be proven wrong, but there are genuinely people in this country who are not criminals, who are not sex offenders, who have, did come here illegally, in terms of they, it was a crime when they crossed, but they did that 15 years ago, 10 years ago, and they're now paying taxes, and they're part of the community, and they've got kids in school, some of them are dreamers. I hope that there can be humanity and compassion for them, not because, oh, we need them to pick the crops, just because we're a humane country.

• 1:53:51Speaker 04

  And if people are here for decades, and where kids are in school, then, in my view, that there can be a humanity there, but their first has to have the border be secure, and get the criminals deported.

• 1:54:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, if you can play, I thought Vinnie was going here with the Harris Faulkner clip, if you can play this clip with her.

• 1:54:08Speaker 04

  This was it, Pat.

• 1:54:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, go for it.

• 1:54:10Speaker 07

  Now, the second wave that Tom Homan, the borders are for, Trump has told me about, and all of this will focus on those missing children, hundreds of thousands of them that we know. And that number has started to already come down, Emily, from 300,000. So they've found about 75 to 80,000 of those kids already. If they can get the list of these guys, four full days in office for Trump, if they can get the list of where some of those kids have been, and they've been identifying it, you know, since the election, going after them and trying to find those little ones. What in the world was Biden's administration doing? What was Secretary of Homeland Mayorkas doing when he said to the committees on Capitol Hill, "We don't know where those kids are. I'll look into it." No, dude, you obviously had a better way to find them and you didn't do your job.

• 1:54:55Speaker 07

  I can't believe they impeached him and didn't remove him.

• 1:54:57Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, it's almost as if

• 1:55:01Patrick Bet-David?

  somebody benefited from looking away.

• 1:55:05Speaker 04

  Weird. Isn't that weird?

• 1:55:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, because if they can do it in four days, you couldn't do it in four years? Now, the people that are sitting and asking those weird questions, you gotta kind of give them some credit and say, "Why didn't you do it? Why didn't you do it? Why did you look away? Why didn't you get to it?" This is kids we're talking about.

• 1:55:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, we're not talking about... We're talking about kids here, right? So, why weren't you a little bit more proactive? Why would you think anybody, left, right, or center, forget politics, what percentage of Democrats, Republicans, or independents, how they vote? If we had a conversation right now, we have no... There's a room of 100 people, okay? Left, right, center, you don't know how they voted in 2020 or 2024. What percentage of the 100 people that have kids wouldn't be for finding out those 75,000? What percentage?

• 1:55:53Speaker 04

  100% would be for that.

• 1:55:56Speaker 06

  Without a doubt, unless you have a mental problem.

• 1:55:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But you understand what I'm saying, like, but so watch this. That's the part where I sit and think to myself, "If they did it in four days, you couldn't have done it in four years."

• 1:56:08Speaker 04

  I don't know the details on this, but look, I mean, the facts as you're presenting them don't don't look good, but I think we need to know. I think it's perfectly appropriate for Mayorkas to come before Congress and explain why he couldn't get it done. Maybe there is an explanation. Look, I'm not... But he certainly owes people an explanation on what explains that.

• 1:56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know, in business, if you need four years to protect the border and the safety of people, you would never have four years. You'd be fired after 90 days. You'd be fired after 180 days. You had four years with a blank check. The US government's a blank check. We keep paying more money to them. What do you need? You couldn't figure this part out? Now, by the way, this is the kind of stuff that, you know, in the free market, you would get sued.

• 1:57:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Literally, a business gets sued and they have to pay fines. How many times you hear about businesses having to pay fines? X, Y, Z, you have to pay this fine, X, Y, Z, you have to pay...

• 1:57:10Patrick Bet-David?

  How about the opposite side? How come four years you didn't protect these? These kids permanently are damaged. We've seen these movies, we've seen the documentaries. They're permanently damaged. For the re- a lot of these, for the rest of their lives, when they want to get back in a relationship and a man touches them, they feel and they go back to what happened when they were kids. That's permanent damage. You know, i- i- when you go through it, you're like, hey, how am I gonna handle this? You hear stories like this, so, I don't know. Again, like you said, we don't know the numbers. You know, she's saying what Tom Homan told her, that they found 75 to 80. And when that number comes out and we see it, because so far it said they've deported how many? A thousand, right? The numbers we saw right now is a thousand.

• 1:57:52Patrick Bet-David?

  The one that you played a clip with the Fox News clip on the screen, it showed a thousand. If they found 75, and that can be proven, that may be the number one biggest black eye on the previous administration. Number one by a mile.

• 1:58:12Speaker 04

  Okay, listen, there's over 350,000 missing children, okay? And I hope they find as many as they can. But Pat, you mentioned, we watch all these documentaries and stuff. The other side, when Sound of Freedom, which was one of the great movies to expose sex, child trafficking, how much press did the left give it? How much mainstream press did anybody know about that movie? Did you? Did you see it anywhere? No, it was small, independent things. It's almost as if they don't want to know, as if pedophilia, sex trafficking, slave labor, isn't a thing. So, there has to be something nefarious if you're turning a blind eye to children, okay? To children, I can care about all the other stuff, insider trading, whatever.

• 1:58:56Speaker 04

  It's not illegal, they're gonna keep doing it, okay? But when it comes to children, that's one of my biggest problems, is that fact. And Alejandro Mayorkas is sitting in front of Congress, where I'm pretty sure you saw him, just with a grin, smiling, meaning, knowing he's untouchable, and these poor souls have been destroyed. That drives me crazy. That drives me nuts. And what, he's gonna get away with it? He was like, you know what he just said last week? He's like, I was getting orders. Joe Biden and them told me. And who's, nobody's gonna get in trouble for it, nobody. And those kids are freaking ruined for the rest of their lives.

• 1:59:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I was just following orders. How German.

• 1:59:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, no, no crap. Well, could it be that, remember the story we talked about with, uh, Mike Johnson, uh, he basically says, hey, I need to get some time with President Biden. Hey, and then all the handlers were in there. And he, uh, Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, eventually got time with, uh, President Biden. And he goes, hey, just explain to me what's going on with the drilling and the oil and all that. And as he recanted, he basically said, no, Joe, I, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't approve that. I was just signing a, a bill to, or, or, or a document to just do investigation, explore, exploration. And he goes, well, no, sir, I forgive me. And that's, that's actually not what it was. And then all the handlers were trying to get in the room.

• 2:00:14Speaker 04

  What if Joe Biden potentially didn't know maybe what he was signing and doing? There's been some rumors that Joe Biden isn't all there. I don't know if you heard that. What if that Mayorkas or whoever, uh, this, when there's smoke, there's fire. This is all very weird. And you said a hundred percent, I always say, don't say a hundred percent. Any, any reasonable person wants to protect kids. So I'm seeing this, I'm like, what's going on? That Sound of Freedom, I saw the movie. And before I saw it, we saw the articles, this is a QAnon conspiracy. Exactly, from the left. I was like, all right, like, let me see the movie and judge for myself. I was like, it just seems like this guy wants to help kids. Zero, that's it, the end of the day.

• 2:00:58Speaker 04

  So there's weird stuff going on and all these questions are very reasonable.

• 2:01:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I mean, look, uh, again, these are things that I have a feeling if anyone's gonna expose more of it, it's gonna be these guys, just listen, it's only been, today's what?

• 2:01:11Speaker 04

  A week.

• 2:01:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Twenty.

• 2:01:12Speaker 04

  It's been literally a week.

• 2:01:13Patrick Bet-David?

  The morning and the day.

• 2:01:14Speaker 04

  Eight days.

• 2:01:15Patrick Bet-David?

  As of one hour, it's been, it's been seven days, guys. Uh, uh, so just, you know, we got, is it eight days? So eight days, yeah, eight days. Rob, so if you can, uh, uh, play the clip with Vivek and Musk, story comes out, hey, Musk and Vivek are not working out well together, he's gonna be leaving Doge, you know, there's rumors that Musk asked him to leave and they had a falling out and da, da, da, da, da. There's issues. Anyways, we've read it all. Yesterday on Jesse Waters, Jesse asked him point blank the question, and here's what Vivek had to say. Go for it. Well, the realities I'm pursuing elected off.

• 2:01:48Speaker 06

  Very shortly, we'll have an announcement soon, but Jesse, things are off to a great start. I think President Trump has proven, look at the actions that he took in that first week. The most pro merit president I think we've had in a long time. And as for my vision grounded in constitutional law.

• 2:02:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You missed the first five seconds because he said you made it three times Anthony Scaramucci.

• 2:02:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this the one?

• 2:02:08Speaker 06

  What happened?

• 2:02:09Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, there's one that says, if you can go to another clip, he starts it off by saying, you made it three times Anthony Scaramucci did. Play this clip.

• 2:02:19Speaker 06

  So we're hearing you're leaving Doge after like three Scaramuccis.

• 2:02:25Speaker 06

  Well, the reality is I'm pursuing elected office very shortly. We'll have an announcement soon. But Jesse, things are off to a great start. I think President Trump has proven, look at the actions that he took in that first week. The most pro merit president I think we've had in a long time. And as for my vision grounded in constitutional law and the future of the country, I think it's best pursued through elected office. And I'm confident that they're going to succeed in slashing and burning that federal bureaucracy. People are saying you didn't get along with Musk. What happened there? I think that's incorrect, but what I would say is we had different and complementary approaches. I focused more on a constitutional law legislative based approach. I focus more on a technology approach, which is the future approach. No better person to lead that technology, digital approach than Elon Musk. But when you're talking about a constitutional revival, it's not just done through the federal government.

• 2:03:10Speaker 06

  It's done through federalism where states also lead the way. So I'll have to be saying more on that very shortly, Jesse. All right. So Elon didn't fire you. It's no, we had a mutual discussion and I think that I wish him well. We're on the same page where divide and conquer in saving the country. It's not a one man show from the top down or the bottom up.

• 2:03:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there, Ro. Do you agree with him?

• 2:03:30Speaker 04

  Look, he had that tweet. You know, the tweet I'm talking about.

• 2:03:35Speaker 04

  The problem was, and I think the H1B program has been abused, needs reform, though I support it. But the problem was, he said something about how immigrant kids come here and work hard. And kids are born here or just watching movies and, and, and sports. And I was thinking about like in India, they have Bollywood and cricket. I mean, you know, The criticisms just seemed off base. Actually, American students compete very, very well in math and science internationally. Our top students do. So I think that tweet really rubbed people the wrong way and in my view is probably part of the reason he's being.

• 2:04:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you think that's the reason why? And then you think Musk is like, we gotta step away. We're moving on?

• 2:04:20Speaker 04

  Look, Musk, I think.

• 2:04:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Because they were on the same page about the H1B visa. So it's not like they were not on the same page.

• 2:04:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know if it's Musk. I think he got a lot of backlash from a lot of people in the in the MAGA MAGA base. But Musk, you know, Musk also, I don't know how many things he's co-led in his life. So that's a, it doesn't surprise me that he wants to call the shots. But is it Musk that would have fired him? It would have been Trump, right? At the end of the day, the buck stops with Trump. I, my sense is that tweet really, I mean, it got like 80 million views. A lot of the people and, and it was wrong. I mean, I think he should have just said, I misspoke about that tweet because, look, this is the greatest country. Imagine if you have lived in this country, you've got your parents, grandparents scaled the cliffs of Normandy,

• 2:05:07Speaker 04

  fought Nazism, fought the Cold War, built the coal, built the steel. And then you have someone who is the son of immigrants saying, you know what, the immigrants really know how to do everything and everyone who was born here, they're, they're quite, they're just doing music and, and athletics. And you say, that's kind of ignorant, you know? I mean, look at all the people who sacrificed blood to build America. I mean, who, who came up with all of the inventions of getting someone to the moon and, and inventing the drones and inventing GPS. And so. Respectfully, I didn't process it that way at all. I don't think he was talking about the greatest generation or the baby boomers. I thought he was talking about Gen Z. I thought

• 2:05:52Speaker 04

  he was talking about the younger generation because there's a clear schism between what was and what is.

• 2:05:57Speaker 01

  So I actually wasn't offended. I mean, if you're looking at just engineers, if you're trying to produce engineers, clearly India is doing better. But if you're looking for well-rounded individuals, which he is, you know, obviously, America is the place to be. So I wasn't offended at all, and I'm straight up American, man. So I don't know. I mean, you had a great conversation with Will Kane about this very topic, PBD. How are you processing what happened?

• 2:06:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I think in this next part, when you hire a bunch of number ones, this is what happens. It's just what happens. When you hire folks who are used to be in twos and threes and fours, they make better hires than when you hire a bunch of ones. It's not an easy thing to put a bunch of ones in a room and say, go get along. It's gonna be tough. So I'm not surprised that this happened. Him and Anthony Scaramucci, very big difference between the two of them. Anthony, you know, the one part that if you think the common thread would work in under Trump, the same thing Trump is attracted to ends up not working well with him. He's attracted to strong personalities. But those strong personalities, when they

• 2:07:07Patrick Bet-David?

  come in, and they push too much, it's like, hey, listen, 40 laws of power, law number one, keep that in mind. You ain't bigger than the group right now, right? Pump the brakes. You have a role to play. Do you want to play it? You said yes, but it's not about you thinking it's about you, right? And that's kind of tough to do. And Vivek has been a one for his entire life. Vivek went to college making 15 million. While he's at college dorms, making, I mean, he's in college making 15 million. Vivek's done very well for himself, and he's one, you know, valedictorian, giving a speech when he's 18 years old, he's done very well. But he went in it where he's definitely two to Trump, he's definitely a two to Musk. Who is he a number one to? He has to go on those stripes. And the one he could have been

• 2:07:51Patrick Bet-David?

  was a VP, and Trump didn't pick him as a VP. If he would have been, pick him as a VP, it'd be a different thing. But you know, you know what we forget? Here's what we forget. Rob, can you pull out what's Vivek's age? Vivek Ramaswamy's age? I think he's now 40, if not 39, 39 years old. He'll be 40 in August, okay?

• 2:08:09Speaker 01

  What a beast.

• 2:08:09Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a young talent. He ain't going away. So he goes to Ohio, he announces he's gonna be governor. Okay. They did a poll who they want to be governor when he was here last. If you remember, it was him forty-two, forty-five percent. He's gonna become the governor of Ohio. He'll do that for, you know, four, eight years. He knows the next turn's not gonna be him. It's gonna be J D Vance ahead of him, although he'll run probably against him as a governor. And then they're gonna find a way because remember, we forget. Trump in twenty twenty, the reason why Trump is killing it today, literally, is because he learned from his mistakes in twenty twenty.

• 2:08:47Patrick Bet-David?

  In twenty twenty, when he campaigned, it's a very different campaign than twenty twenty-four. Twenty twenty, it's their fault, it's this, it's that, you know, they cheated, they did this, it's unfair. And that, that level of energy and forty laws of power versus force, it's low. But then twenty twenty-four, he campaigned in a very different way. And now he knows where all the bodies are buried and all that stuff. Trust me. Vivek had a crash course on what happens in politics when you deal with a bunch of players. And he's gonna come out and a guy like that who's a student prolific is gonna come out. And be able to come out of it. We'll, we'll forget about this within a month or two months. You'll see how it's gonna happen. Literally, this is gonna be forgotten about and they're gonna move on and no one's ever gonna bring it up.

• 2:09:27Speaker 04

  Can I ask you a quick question? By the way, you saw what happened with Susie Wiles. She kinda basically.

• 2:09:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I wanna go to her next.

• 2:09:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Okay. You wanna go there? I just have a quick question for you. Indian American, right? Vivek. Also, I believe Kamala Harris. If you had to vote for the first Indian American president, would you have voted for Vivek or Kamala Harris? I'm gonna hold you to an answer, sir. Look, I'm a Democrat, so I would've voted for Kamala, but I like Vivek. So you like making poor decisions? I like Vivek. We debated each other in New Hampshire when he was running. And I, I think he ran a, a great race. I think, I admire that he's proud of his faith while running and stood up for that. I think he's a very talented guy. We, we don't agree on, on things, but I agree with you that he's probably the frontrunner into the Ohio race and he's gonna have a future.

• 2:10:13Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not going away. He's not going away. And again. He stood on his own, which means he's gonna go through the phase of being lonely for four, six years. Then they're gonna say, okay, we gotta respect them. Yep. And that lonely part, most people don't have the brass to go through. It's very hard to go through that part where it's like, who the F for you? Who do you think you are? Then they're like, okay, this guy's legit, but it's gonna take about four years, unfortunately. Unfortunately, he needs to do that. All right, so next thing here. Story about Suzy Wiles. Rob, do we have that story in here? I don't think, okay, here we go. Trump's ICE maiden, chief of staff launches takedown of Musk. Okay, now, let's see if this is true or not, and we'll read this story and go straight into the next one here.

• 2:10:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So, this is talking about Suzy Wiles, I believe. Suzy Wiles from Chief of Staff, first woman to hold the office. The role has taken a firm approach in her, in her second term, denied Musk in office in the West Wing despite his role as chairman of the Doge. Musk's team will work from the Eisenhower Building and report directly to Wiles, who said, "I don't welcome people who want to work solo or be a star." Wow. Known as the ICE maiden. Wiles is focused on maintaining discipline and collaboration. Contrasting with the chaos of Trump's first term, Musk often referred to as Trump's first buddy and criticized as a co-president by Democrats, remains a controversial figure in the administration despite pushback. Trump defends Wiles. Management calling her tough, smart, innovative, and universally admired and respected.

• 2:11:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Wiles has also imposed a social media ban on cabinet nominees, stating all intended nominees should refrain from any social media posts without prior approval. Well, he's not gonna do that. He's already posting, he runs X. How do you get him to not do that? Now, while this is happening, Trump's aides are furious with Elon Musk for trashing the $500 billion AI project. Somebody even said he gives zero Fs. Elon Musk angered Trump's aides and allies with his criticism of $500 billion Target AI project, claiming they don't actually have the money. SoftBank has well under $10 billion secured. I have that on good authority. A Trump ally described the situation, saying the problem is the president doesn't have any leverage over him, and Elon gives zero.

• 2:12:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump dismissed Musk's remarks as stemming from a personal animosity towards OpenAI CEO. And here's what he said, Rob, if you wanna play this clip.

• 2:12:33Speaker 05

  Mr. President, does it bother you that Elon Musk criticized a deal that you made publicly? That he said that he tweeted that?

• 2:12:40Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  Hates one of the people in the deal.

• 2:12:43Speaker 05

  Have you spoken to him since then?

• 2:12:44Speaker 02

  No, no, I've, well, I've spoken to Elon, but I've spoken to all of them, actually. No, the people in the deal are very, very smart people, but Elon, one of the people he happens to hate, but I have certain hatreds of people.

• 2:12:56Speaker 06

  I mean.

• 2:12:58Patrick Bet-David?

  He's talking about Sam Altman, by the way, right? So, Tom, how do you process this?

• 2:13:01Speaker 06

  Well, first, I go to Susie. She's doing her job, and she's doing a really good job. You take a look at what usually happens when people take a secretary position. You be the secretary of something, you serve for roughly two and a half years, and then you leave, you get your book deal, or a news show position. A lot of the high-end people hang there. And so, or you go right over to K Street, and you become a lobby for somebody. And so, there's usually this revolving door, and so there's usually people who are not necessarily fully aligned with the president and staying behind him. In this case, we have an operator who's operating like a CEO, and he's got a chief of staff,

• 2:13:43Speaker 06

  and that is Susie, and he's saying, hey, look, you know, we're gonna have a meeting here, we're gonna criticize it, you know, I don't want you to have second meetings with the VP of marketing and F things up before the meeting. That happens in companies. He says, look, if you've got something to say, say it in the meeting. So she's saying these things on social media. So I think they're trying to bring order to what is typically a very disorderly situation, which is operating a cabinet in a day and age where social media is out there, and people are already thinking about two steps ahead what they're doing, and have a tough time being great number twos. That's what I think's going on with Susie. With Trump, I think he gave a very honest, straightforward answer.

• 2:14:27Speaker 06

  He says, hey, he hates one of the guys in the deal, you know, what do you want me to do about it? I'm gonna go get it done. Because Lincoln, we can go back and look at Abraham Lincoln about how he got Rivals to cooperate. And I think that's what you're seeing here with Trump. And I think you're seeing leadership from him. And Susie's trying to run a tight ship in that organization.

• 2:14:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Roe.

• 2:14:49Speaker 04

  Look, I, Trump understands one thing about American politics. That the worst thing you could do is be boring. Now, if you look at FDR, he was on the stage from 1932 to about 1945, 13 years. And Trump has basically been on the American political stage from 2015 till now. And a lot of his campaign before Elon and others got there was like the 80s reruns. Hulk Hogan and, you know, WWE wrestling and we're gonna drill for oil. And I think he gets that having someone who sends rockets to space gives him a new act. It gives him the sense of the future.

• 2:15:34Speaker 04

  And so he knows that he likes hanging around with these folks. And yeah, Susie Walz is very talented, but you know, I don't think he's gonna, she's gonna convince Trump that he doesn't need some of these tech leaders around him.

• 2:15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam. Well, there's no doubt that there's one thing that Trump is not, is boring. He's a brilliant marketer. Now, you might like some of the marketing, you might very much dislike some of the marketing. But what I recognized about Trump is this. I think there's just a clear difference to his confidence and his swag and just his genuine understanding of how Washington and politics works. The biggest problem, I guess, you would say in 2016 is like, literally this guy had no clue what he was doing. Like, he said, well, you know, I give a lot of political donations. That doesn't mean you know how Washington works. I genuinely think he's had eight years of four being in the White House, four being

• 2:16:33Patrick Bet-David?

  out of it, planning, plotting, thinking four years ahead. And now he's coming into the White House and he knows exactly what he wants to do. He knows exactly how a bill becomes a law, which I don't even know if he knew in 2016. Respect to you, President Trump. I think he literally knows exactly what he's doing, literally. So, do you think he has a lot more, you know, they say that competence will turn into confidence? So, his competence and accomplishments, attorney of the confidence, just seems like he knows exactly what he wants to do. Got it. Do you think differently?

• 2:17:04Speaker 04

  No, I think he is more effective, which is not a good thing for some people like me who disagree with a lot of his agenda. And that's why he's a formidable. But I've always thought the Democrats have underestimated Trump. I mean, he's a, obviously unparalleled as a marketer.

• 2:17:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie.

• 2:17:21Speaker 04

  Well, no, I agree with that. Yeah, I'm good.

• 2:17:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I would say, I would say in this position, I applaud Suzie. It's a very, very, very hard job that she has.

• 2:17:33Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And you know why it is? Because both Elon and Trump, it would have worked with a personality like Kamala. It would have worked with a personality like, maybe even, you know, some of the guys on the Republican side. It would have worked with probably somebody like Nikki Haley. It doesn't work with the personalities that they're used to picking up the phone and calling a person directly to solve a problem. Do you understand what I'm saying? So, yeah, stop Trump from calling the guy directly. For 78 years, like, hey, what the hell are we doing with this permit here? Like, what are we doing with this guy here? You gotta get the guy out of the way. Now, for her to say, they gotta go through me, and then Musk. Musk doesn't wait. He just tweets. Oh, you need to approve all your tweets through me. Okay, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm sending you away. Now, I'm sending my, all my tweets are gonna get approved by you.

• 2:18:17Speaker 04

  She'll lose her mind. She'll lose her mind in 20 minutes after he tweets 10 times.

• 2:18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But that means, that, that, that means someone has to pivot and change.

• 2:18:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:18:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Who will that be?

• 2:18:28Speaker 04

  It's not gonna be him.

• 2:18:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Someone has to compromise. Will it be Elon? Will it be Suzie? Will it be Trump? One of them has to.

• 2:18:34Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 2:18:35Patrick Bet-David?

  One of them has to. We don't know who it's going to be.

• 2:18:38Speaker 04

  It ain't gonna be Trump.

• 2:18:39Patrick Bet-David?

  It ain't gonna be the richest man in the world, the richest guy in the world that owns the biggest Twitter, X. There's no way that guy's in charge. It's gonna have to be her. It's gonna be the president? No, it has to be her. She has to adjust a little bit. There's no way. She will resign.

• 2:18:53Speaker 04

  Hold on.

• 2:18:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Then she'll resign. By the way, you don't want her to resign. I don't, I don't. She is that good. I know. Well, you say, well, I'm going off of what you said. Who's gonna, who's gonna budge? Let me tell you, I, to have a person like that.

• 2:19:06Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:19:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Because one thing you know about her, like you have to choose between everybody that you're working with. Who is 100% you? Who is more 100% Trump? Her or Elon? Her. There you go. Of course. What percentage of Elon is supportive of Trump? Like, everything he does, he does for Trump. What percentage?

• 2:19:28Patrick Bet-David?

  20. 20? I was gonna say 35. What percentage of what Suzie does is for Trump? 100%. Everything that she's doing is for- Let's say 90% and 10% is her legacy and her father. Yeah, okay. Okay. Dude, you can't lose a flag carrier like that. I know. So this is gonna be very difficult. Because it's easier to have that leveraging conversation with Suzie. You can't sit there and say, "Hey." That's the challenge. It's gonna be, if you create a Doge, it has to be ran by a cowboy. It has to be ran by a cowboy. But only, because only cowboys got the balls to go out there and get that done. You're fired. We're getting rid of you guys. This department shut down, 100,000 people done. You think a proper person that did everything right is gonna be able to have the balls to do that?

• 2:20:13Patrick Bet-David?

  No! That's a tough job for what Elon needs to do. So, but Trump's gonna have to choose. It's gonna be tough. Well, I will say this. I think one of the biggest indicators of Trump's success as a president will be how long Suzie Wiles stays as the chief of staff. Because if I recall correctly, I think he had four chiefs of staffs during his four years. The first was Reince Priebus for like a couple of Scaramouches. John Kelly, the general. Mick Mulvaney, and then Mark Meadows. Every year there was- She's a flag carrier, though. No, that's my point. If she lasts all four years- Do you know what is the most attractive thing about Suzie? Do you know what is the number one? I don't wanna say the wrong thing. No, but do you know what the number, because you're gonna go physical. Don't dismiss that. No, I'm not saying that.

• 2:20:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think is the number one most attractive thing about Suzie? It's not even close. If they're watching. It's not even close. What is the most attractive thing about Suzie, Tom? She's not trying to be a superstar? What is it? I think she's humble.

• 2:21:10Speaker 04

  She knows she's a number two.

• 2:21:12Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think it is?

• 2:21:13Speaker 04

  Loyalty?

• 2:21:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know. What do you think it is? In my opinion, you know what I think it is? She wants no attention.

• 2:21:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:19Patrick Bet-David?

  She could careless about the camera. While everybody's like, so put the camera, camera, camera, camera, camera, camera. Nah, I don't wanna talk. When he won, he's like, hey, Suzie, say a couple words. No, I'm good. I don't need to do anything. She kinda walked back.

• 2:21:30Speaker 04

  I remember that.

• 2:21:30Patrick Bet-David?

  That was a beautiful moment that I guarantee he won't forget.

• 2:21:33Speaker 04

  No limelight.

• 2:21:34Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you can't find people like that. I had people that I hired, they wouldn't let you take pictures with Trump and they would take the pictures with Trump.

• 2:21:40Speaker 04

  I remember that.

• 2:21:41Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, you guys can't. But hey, President Trump, hey, look what. You can't have people, those are not flag carriers, those are selfish users. That it's about them. Suzie is tough to find. It's a very hard thing to find people like this. Very, very, very hard to find people like Suzie. Who wants no attention. Listen, if you naturally get it, there's nothing wrong with it. We're not sitting here saying, well, you know, someone's gonna say, well, you guys are getting a bunch of eyeballs. Yeah, but I'm not trying to be this job.

• 2:22:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:22:11Patrick Bet-David?

  This job is perfect for her and for Trump, he needs some people like. Cause a lot of people have Trump's job because they're trying to check to see what their, you know, resume is gonna look like and what the next book they're gonna write and what offer they're gonna get from Simon and Schuster, you know, da, da, da, da. And I'm gonna be able to do this and legacy, legacy, legacy. She's like, look, I, I, my dad was a stud and he was a killer at what he did. I've been to camera for a long time. I don't need any of that stuff. I'm happy, I'm comfortable. I simply wanna serve. Tough to find people like this.

• 2:22:40Speaker 04

  It's like what you say about the CIA agents, right?

• 2:22:43Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly what Joan Amanda said. Is, is the fact that they're great, they're charming, they're strong. But they don't need to brag about the fact that they saved the free world. Solid. Last thing, we'll wrap up. Rob, can you play the clip with CNN host? Which, which one is that, Rob, that you have up before I go to the next one?

• 2:23:00Speaker 02

  That was regarding the congressman who had suggested a bill for Trump to serve three or four terms.

• 2:23:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:23:06Speaker 02

  Trump joking around.

• 2:23:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that's right. So this was the one when Trump talked about three terms, a guy named Zeus. Send me a mannequin talking about Trump's gonna be serving three terms because there's a story that came out. That says congressman pushes amendment to allow Trump a third term, but not Obama, Clinton or Bush because they both the two. There's this congressman, where's he based out of, Rob, by the way? Uh, let me see this here. Andy Ogles from Tennessee proposed an amendment to allow president to serve three terms, provided they did not serve two consecutive terms. The proposal would allow Donald Trump, uh, and, uh, Joe Biden to both be able to serve two terms, uh, three terms because there was a disruption. But again, it would exclude Barack Obama, Clinton and Bush because they already served two. Who knows if it's gonna hate joked about this. Go ahead and play this clip, Rob.

• 2:23:49Speaker 04

  It would be the greatest honor of my life to serve not once, but twice or three times a year.

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• 2:25:00Patrick Bet-David?

  He is so funny.

• 2:25:02Speaker 04

  Oh headlines, here he goes, here he goes.

• 2:25:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Fake news, fake news.

• 2:25:05Speaker 04

  Jim Acosta. Will be just served twice for the next four years.

• 2:25:09Patrick Bet-David?

  But here's what I wanted to show you. If you, if you want to go, Rob, to the CNN clip with the lady with the guy showing percentage, said, this is the same Trump. Her face. No, it's so a host of CNN calling another host at CNN fake news, which indirectly, but I just want you to watch this and judge it, judge it for yourself. This is the aneurysm. Go ahead.

• 2:25:29Speaker 02

  This is a very different Donald Trump. He's leading a very different administration, the way he's attacking things and the American public is very much more in line with him than they were at any point during his entire first term.

• 2:25:40Speaker 07

  Well, I, one, one, I would say correction, this is not a very different Donald Trump. This is a very different Donald Trump in, as being viewed by voters in this.

• 2:25:49Speaker 02

  And the way he's going about things with Susan Wild's leading thing.

• 2:25:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he is, you know, going at things in a much less Look at her face. disorganized fashion, much more organized.

• 2:25:57Speaker 07

  Take me back in history.

• 2:25:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Take you back in history. So it was so interesting to me that Donald Trump's first net approval rating of his second term is higher than his entire first term. And I was interested. She shouldn't play poker. Has the second term net approval rating in the first month, have you ever had a higher rating than any net approval rating during the entire first term? Donald Trump is the only.

• 2:26:17Speaker 07

  I have a really hard time believing that.

• 2:26:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this is 100% true. I went back. I love spreadsheets. What's her name? Donald Trump is the first guy ever whose net approval rating in the first month of his second term is higher than any rating that he has in his entire term cap. This is true. I don't make stuff up. The numbers are the numbers.

• 2:26:34Speaker 06

  The numbers don't lie.

• 2:26:35Speaker 07

  Send him a mug. In nothing except when you have it in the wall. And then I believe everything you say.

• 2:26:39Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly right.

• 2:26:40Speaker 07

  Which is why.

• 2:26:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie, your thoughts on this?

• 2:26:45Speaker 06

  I just, just, just the anger and the fake news. And that's why CNN, what was the number? CNN's net worth went from 4.4 billion.

• 2:26:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Revenue, 400 million.

• 2:26:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, 400, 4.4 billion in 2021. I don't know what it is now, but it dropped to 2.3 billion in 2023, a 47.7% drop. And this, I'm so happy because, well, this comes back to what I was saying. When it comes to like him and Jim Acosta, who's, who's, is it reportedly that he's leaving, Tom? Is he retiring? Oh, no, no, no. They, they, they fired him, but this is how they fired him. Remember, it came true. Remember you and I did the little thing back over the board? That's what they did. They said, Jim, we're giving you midnight. Midnight. What's happening to my show? Ah, two other people going on it. What, what, what? Then I quit. Boom. Yeah, and he quit. And it's just, my, my thing is this. That's what they wanted.

• 2:27:33Speaker 06

  Because we're talking about the change. Well, I'm telling you right now, there needs to be way more Democrats that are speaking like you. Obviously, we're going to have our differences, but it's the change. Are they ever going to change? Because it's insane that they're not seeing the writing on the wall. I think Albert Einstein said insanity, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting the same results. Okay, I, I don't, from everything, I'm saying this is CNN, but just as a whole, from the open border to, you know, sending the money to the Ukraine while we're struggling here, from biological men playing women.

• 2:28:02Patrick Bet-David?

  tampons in bathrooms, kids, puberty blockers, all that stuff. If they're not gonna start changing, and you were saying that Trump only has four more years, and he's gone, but the Republican bench is so deep. It's so ridiculous deep with J.D. Vance, with Vivek, Tulsi, and all these people. They're, people better start jumping ship and going to another party, or else it's never gonna change. I, I think that change, Row, needs to start happening, and it needs to be drastic, or else it's not gonna stop. This wave is gonna keep going.

• 2:28:30Speaker 04

  Row, look, I, I agree that our party needs to change. We gotta, we gotta laugh a little bit more, not every, not, there are some things that Trump's doing that are very, very serious and dangerous that need to be opposed, but when you go after every single time he's joking, or, or making a comment that gets laughs, then, then it just looks like you're the Debbie Downers.

• 2:28:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:28:53Speaker 04

  And that's where, there's an unhealthy obsession, especially because the guy isn't gonna run again. I do think it's funny they excluded Barack Obama. I mean, that would have been a heavyweight match if it's Trump versus Obama. And I do think Obama actually would have had a much, much better chance of beating Trump than Kamala Harris. But I'll say this about the Republican bench, I'm not discounting it, but Donald Trump had a unique ability that none of these folks have, and in, in the connections he had with the African-American community, with the Latino community, in his ability to be comedic, in his charisma, in having been on TV for 15 years.

• 2:29:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:36Speaker 04

  And so what the Democratic Party should be focused on is paying attention to what, what drew people to Trump, opposing it where we have to, but actually thinking about the future. If everything is a, is an obsession about Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, we'll be the candidate of the past. We got an opportunity to, to build for the future, and, and that's...

• 2:29:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And you said, Row, and I'm sorry, Prak, because I know you wanna close, but you said, Row, what the most, he's doing dangerous things. What's something that Trump is doing that's dangerous, that you're saying is, is going to hurt us? Because from what I'm seeing, he's making bold moves, he's being decisive, he's, he's hitting on every promise. And I don't know about you, Row, I told them this the other day. I woke up at 5:30 in the morning, and I was in my living room, and I swear to you, I prayed first, and I felt bad because I cussed after, but something inside me just said out loud, I said, "America is fucking..." Back. I just felt it. So what's something dangerous that you think that he's doing that we should be concerned about?

• 2:30:29Speaker 04

  The three places quickly, and we probably don't have the time to disagree with all of them, but I was fine with pardons for some of the people on misdemeanors on January 6th, who just roamed into the Capitol, took recordings, left. But there should not have been a pardon for anyone who hit a police officer or who committed property destruction of the Capitol. Two, the pause on federal funding is paused all federal funding, including cancer research, diabetes research, money to different communities. That's Congress that has the power whether to spend money or not. And in my view, the courts will strike it down. He's fired all the inspector generals. There are a number of areas where I think he's gone way too

• 2:31:14Speaker 04

  far. But let me end with, from my perspective with this. One, we've got to have more conversations in this country like this, where people come on, where you don't agree on everything, but there's got to be some way after a very, very polarized country that we have been since Obama and then Trump, Biden. If after Trump's four years, if we're just going to continue to polarize, that's going to be the biggest advantage for China. And my thing that I hope that, and I appreciate your having me on, is, you know, even if people who listen to me is like, I'm never going to vote for that kind of guy, at least we can figure out

• 2:31:57Speaker 04

  how do we treat each other with respect, with patriotism, and figure out how we start to bring this country together in a way that it hasn't been. And that, to me, is the biggest challenge, actually, for the nation.

• 2:32:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I applaud you, and I think we need to have more of that happen in the conversations is what we need. And we look forward to having many more of these with you for years to come. This was fantastic. Appreciate you for coming out. Gang, for those of you that are still on, reminder, if you think you're very good at making predictions, go to vtnews.ai. The 100-day predictions, Rob, can we see what the latest one is? Who is number one? First 100 days, let's go see, click on bottom right, Rob, just go to bottom right. It's right there. Okay, click on that. And let's see what the latest one is. Leaderboard. Will Trump disclose the mystery behind the New Jersey drone disappear appearances in the first hundred days? What do you think? Uh, I would say first hundred days. Cause you know, in the White House, when some, he was, when he was signing executive orders.

• 2:32:56Patrick Bet-David?

  He's like, did we find out about that? And he goes, go find out about, I think yes, because he asked, he asked. First hundred days, you say yes? I think, yeah. Well, I voted. Look at Riley, bro. Riley's first, Connor second, Chris, these are the best predictors so far. I am, I am young. Delia Berry, Joseph Shoup, Thomas Polk, Mitchell. Okay, all right. So guys, we, we got quite a few more days left. We're on day eight, we got 92 days left. Surprise, recognition and prizes at the end. Go participate, go to vtnews.ai and fill out your prediction. Bro, appreciate you coming out, brother. This was fantastic. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.

• 2:33:52Patrick Bet-David?

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