Daily Wire Layoffs + Tucker Called Out | PBD #790

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana break down Donald Trump’s Project Freedom rollout and Cuba takeover remarks, Tucker Carlson’s New York Times interview backlash, Vivek Ramaswamy’s Ohio gubernatorial race concerns, and major economic shifts including Daily Wire layoffs, Spirit Airlines’ shutdown, and tech founders fleeing Washington. ------ ✍️ FILL OUT THE PBD PODCAST SURVEY & GET $25 TO VTMERCH. COM: https://bit.ly/42dpShr 🦁 THE VAULT 2026: AUG 31ST TO SEPT 1ST: https://bit.ly/4mZdLhD 🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠ 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!

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• 0:13Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  You are a one of one? My son's right there.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, alright, lots going on, folks. Lots going on. I got a whole, uh, breakdown for wealth tax that I want to talk about sometime here on the podcast. I'm sure when we get to the Seattle part, we will get to, I just blew my nose, so.

• 0:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, what else we got going on? So we have, uh, a report comes in, uh, with Trump saying he's gonna remove, how many soldiers, Tom? Is it?

• 0:47Speaker 03

  Five thousand.

• 0:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Five thousand. From Germany, because the guy talked smack. He's like, "Oh, really?"

• 0:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:52Patrick Bet-David?

  "Really? You don't need anybody. Hey, guys."

• 0:54Speaker 03

  Bounce.

• 0:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Bounce. Do you want to smell a ass like that? That's right.

• 0:57Speaker 03

  Not five.

• 0:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Then, Project Freedom was, I don't know what you just said, Tom, right there. Project? Tom's German.

• 1:03Speaker 03

  I said, "Get out in German."

• 1:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Project Freedom was just announced.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  That he knows that.

• 1:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Project Freedom was just announced, uh, from Trump i-in regards to, Rob. This is the one with, uh, Strait of Hormuz, where they're escorting the ships out and telling them where not to go, where the mines are at, right? And Iran is saying that's breaking the ceasefire, and Iran's saying they suggested they had fourteen points that they asked for. I believe the administration said no to seven or eight points, but nobody knows what the fourteen points are because they're not public. But Operation Project Freedom, united-led military operation by multinational coalition formed just now to respond to Iranian attacks on shipping in Strait of Hormuz. So they're trying to find a way to get ships across. We'll talk about that. Couple other things.

• 1:50Patrick Bet-David?

  In, uh, we go, the Daily Wire rumors has it, a story came out that they fired, what's the number?

• 1:55Speaker 03

  Sixty percent?

• 1:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Sixty percent of people that were let go, and then the editor-in-chief is like, "You guys don't know what you're talking about. That's not the number." We'll address that on what's going on there. Cuba, Trump, Trump coming out, "Hey, Rubio's gonna be leading this." They extended the sanctions to make it clear on what's gonna be happening there. Nick Shirley literally just got back from Cuba himself. He, he was saying that they don't even have gas if you want to go buy gas. Forty dollars a gallon if you want to buy. I don't know what the numbers were.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  You have to get in line.

• 2:20Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to get in line to even get it.

• 2:22Speaker 03

  Just for the opportunity to buy the gas.

• 2:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, and so that's that part. And then, aside from that, Tucker did an interview with, uh, what do you call it?

• 2:29Speaker 03

  It was New York Times.

• 2:30Patrick Bet-David?

  New York Times interview with Tucker, he said a few things that it's interesting to talk about. Yes, Spirit Airlines letting go. What's the number, Rob? Seventeen thousand people done? You know, and, and you, you go back and find clips of what Garland said many years ago, the DOJ and the positions they took with Spirit Airlines, the things Elizabeth Warren said, now she wants to blame gas prices for the shutdown instead of what's going on. Duffy came out and talked about it himself and what happened. I think Besen even made some comments. We'll play those clips. Yeah, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen thousand jobs lost. Boom, airline giant gone. And you know who there was, this was beneficial for? Lower and middle income families who were traveling because their flights were, if you've ever been on a Spirit airline, you know, the greatest customer service you will find in your

• 3:14Patrick Bet-David?

  life. If you've ever been on it. Have you ever been on Spirit?

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, my question is, where are all those angry women going to go? Like, where are they gonna go work now? Yelling at you, that bag, twenty five dollars.

• 3:24Patrick Bet-David?

  It's called the DMV.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right.

• 3:26Patrick Bet-David?

  It's actually good.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  It was gangster, Pat. They would yell at you. Oh, my God.

• 3:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Qualified DMV employee.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Put that in that fitter bag. Make sure it fits.

• 3:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Put the, Rob, put that clip of what happens at Spirit Airlines. I don't know if you saw the highlight reel, all the fights.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  Oh, I love it. I love it.

• 3:39Patrick Bet-David?

  We have to show that clip. Aside from that, we got a couple other things. California's population plummets for the first time since the pandemic as LA sees extraordinary exodus that is taking place. So not only did they have an exodus during COVID, this is another one that they're having. And so we'll address that. There's a federal government, you know, Congress bill that went out there. They want the minimum wage now to be not seven twenty, not, not ten bucks, not fifteen bucks, not twenty bucks. They want it to be twenty five dollars an hour is what they want it to be. For federal. They want the minimum wage to be.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  And federal right now is seven bucks, I wanna say?

• 4:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Seven twenty is right now, I believe, is what the number is, Rob. Can you verify if I'm saying it correctly? I think it's seven something. Yeah, seven twenty five right now.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  I'm getting raised.

• 4:23Patrick Bet-David?

  They wanna raise that to twenty five bucks an hour on where the number is. You ain't getting a raise, buddy. I'm telling you right now.

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Come on, Pat.

• 4:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Miracles happen.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Seven bucks?

• 4:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, so, so that's that part. And then Gavin Newsom went on Bill Maher and Bill Maher tried his best to try to help him out, man. Even his best. Can you imagine his own friend failed him?

• 4:42Speaker 03

  His really close.

• 4:43Patrick Bet-David?

  His own friend failed him to the point that Trump had to come out in three hundred war tweet you're talking about?

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Three hundred, maybe even more.

• 4:49Patrick Bet-David?

  One of those, one of those long legendary tweets that comes out. We'll address that.

• 4:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what happened with Charlamagne, but he said a couple of words that Vinnie's not happy about.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  You're talking about Little Leonard? Leonard.

• 4:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Little Leonard?

• 5:00Speaker 03

  Little Leonard.

• 5:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is Little Leonard?

• 5:01Speaker 03

  That's his name. I'll never call him whatever the G word. His name is Leonard.

• 5:05Tom Ellsworth?

  You could just call him Charlamagne.

• 5:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it really Little Leonard?

• 5:08Speaker 03

  No, no, I call him Little.

• 5:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Why'd you call him Little?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  He's just an angry dude.

• 5:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Like Little Richie, like Little Ricky, Little Baby Grime?

• 5:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Good God, it's my life. How am I just saying the quasi idea?

• 5:18Speaker 03

  That's Pretty Ricky.

• 5:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Charlamagne, the quasi idea.

• 5:20Patrick Bet-David?

  You're right, you're right.

• 5:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Let's have, let's put some respect on Pretty Ricky.

• 5:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no. Uh, so Kentucky Derby trainer wins, the reaction's the best. By the way, this is why I believe Kentucky Derby. If you've never been, you gotta go. Greatest two minutes in sports. This female trainer wins the first time ever. She literally is celebrating and having anxiety and panic attacks all at the same time. If you haven't seen this clip, it's phenomenal.

• 5:41Tom Ellsworth?

  It's like Secretariat.

• 5:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It's like Secretariat.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  Last place.

• 5:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, last place. And then we got a couple of other stories that we'll definitely try to get into, which is, you know, one of them is wilder than the other one, but we have to, we have to address some of these issues on what's going on. Uh, and so with that being said, guys, a couple of things that I do want to talk to you guys about. One thing is the following.

• 6:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Every three to four years, we find ways to improve value attainment, and I'm talking about with the public. So I want to hear commentary from the public. We want to get feedback on what things can happen better with PBD Podcast. What content you want to see improving, business, how to, whatever it is that we cover, we want to get your feedback and your input. So here's what we're doing. We are creating a survey. Anybody that texts the word PBD to 3103401132, again, text the word PBD to 3103401132, you will automatically get a survey to do. And I think the survey is, you know, a couple of basic questions to ask about everybody here,

• 6:45Patrick Bet-David?

  about what things can happen better, all the things that we can improve in. And for anybody that completes the survey, beginning to the end, all of it answers, we're giving a $25 gift card to the store. Every, it doesn't matter if it's 50,000 people that take it or 5,000 people that take it, everyone gets a $25 gift card to. go purchase whatever you want you have $25 gift card for completing the survey because we want to hear from you this thing started off that you started off with me doing a couple basic videos with Mario two minutes with Pat with me and pink socks the first episode we ever did till today it haunts me every time I see those pink socks you know and the way I'm sitting on that couch Rob if you want to show the first clip we ever did on value tainment it's it really inspires me to know how far along we've come and all

• 7:30Patrick Bet-David?

  the board videos we used to do to then starting the podcast yeah if you go there go to videos and go to the oldest oldest right there and go to that one right there no go to the second one go to the second one Rob look at those things go a little bit right there the second one look at the way I'm sitting go to 40 seconds we want look at the way I'm sitting just right there is fine Rob okay you have Chinese subtitle Rob I mean it's like horrible right what is that that's the first video ever that's woodland hills imagine your shirt though I think it's 2013 whatever it is when I wrote a book look at the smog out there to now PBD podcast where it's at so it wouldn't happen without you everywhere I go and I run into people and we talk and we have different stories that we discuss it's always great the relationship that we have together for those guys that tune in so it would mean

• 8:15Patrick Bet-David?

  a lot to us if you can go do the survey again text the word PBD to 3103401132 and we'll send the link for you to do the survey or Rob what is the link that they can go to you have the link I do it is survey.vt.com can you also put that in the comments section in the chat in the description everywhere so people can go do it yep we're gonna we're gonna thank you Jake for that as well the voice of God thank you we will we will make sure to read every single one of the piece of feedback you put because we want to hear from you and by the way you may say who am I you guys don't need to hear we want to hear from everybody from the guy that is a CEO of a fortune you know 100 company that watches a podcast regularly and messages me to the person that watches

• 8:59Patrick Bet-David?

  you to the family or a farmer you're somebody that just tuning in you like the style we want to hear from you please go to survey.vt.com and complete the survey you'll get a $25 gift card for doing this with that being said let's get right into it so out of all The stories that we have going on, I'm trying to see which one to start off with. I say we go Rob, uh, uh, uh, with the first one being Project Freedom. So Project Freedom is something that was just dropped this morning. And Tom, I'm going to come to you first on this one here. Uh, Rob, what page is Project Freedom on? This is the whole story about them helping ships go through, okay? And they're escorting these things to make sure you don't hit a mine. Iran is not happy about it because that's saying that's breaking the ceasefire.

• 9:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody knows yet who the $2 million is going to with Project Ceasefire. Rob, if you want to go to the president's tweet first, and then I'll go into this clip. Countries from all over the world, almost all of which are not involved in the Middle East disputes are going on so visibly and violently for all to see have asked the US if we could help free up their ships, which are locked up in the Strait of Hormuz on something which they have absolutely nothing to do with. They are merely neutral and innocent bystanders for the good of Iran, the Middle East, and the United States. We have told these countries that we will guide their ships safely out of their restricted waterways so that they can freely and ably get on with their business. Again, these are ships from areas of the world that are not in any way involved

• 10:27Patrick Bet-David?

  with which is currently taking place in the Middle East. I've told my representative to inform that they, uh, we will use best effort to get their ships and cruelly cruise safely out of the strait. In all cases, they said they will not be returning until the area is becoming safe for navigation and everything else. This process, Project Freedom, will begin Monday morning, Middle East. Tom, I'm fully aware that my representative are having their very positive discussions with the country of Iran, and that these discussions could lead to something very positive. For all the ship movement is merely meant to free up people, companies, and countries that have done absolutely nothing wrong. They are victims of circumstances. This is a humanitarian gesture on behalf of the United States, Middle Eastern countries, in particular, the country of Iran. Many of these ships are running low on food, and many of these

• 11:12Patrick Bet-David?

  ships are running low on food, and are necessary for large-scale crews to stay on board in a healthy and sanitary manner. I think could go a long way in showing goodwill on behalf of all those who have been fighting so. Strainously over the last number of months. So Tom, why is this such a big deal?

• 11:27Tom Ellsworth?

  This is a big deal for a couple of reasons. The first reason it's a big deal is because it allows things to start moving through the Gulf. And additionally, that last comment there was real. Some of these people have been on ships for a while. The ships are low on food, fresh water. They've had some replenishment, but the point is it's been problematic. You know, they haven't been able to pull over to Costco and fill up on the on their regular provisions. And so number one, you got to get some cargo moving through the Gulf, which is good. And number two, it shows that the US has been effective. Why is Iran saying, Pat, oh, you're violating the ceasefire? When no, when no shots have been fired? Why are they saying that? Because this is not what they

• 12:12Tom Ellsworth?

  wanted. And over the last three weeks, US minesweepers have been going on what's called the original southern lanes. Do we have a map up there, Rob? The original southern lanes were the ones that were right close to Oman UAE, very, very close on the tip. It's the map we've had for the, there you go. So you can see here the map. See there, Pat? You have the ones that were closest to Oman and Kasab. Those were the original lanes, and those are the ones where Iran had put the mines. And remember, they said, oh, we, we dropped off some mines. We just don't, we forgot where we put.

• 12:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Where, exactly.

• 12:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah. So the US has had drones and minesweepers in the area. Remember, we covered the minesweepers coming to the area, along with drone subs, and the drone subs go underwater and sometimes send signals that cause some of these mines to detonate underwater, and then they fall the bottom of the, of the straits. Whereas Iran wanted, wanted the mining there so they could force everybody to go up to.

• 13:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Am I mispronouncing Kesham Island that's up there? Where they would charge them a fee to go there. So what the US has done is kind of semi-open some of the southern lanes. And what the US military who has mapped it is now saying, Pat, "Hey, you need to get your ship through? Listen, take this path about like this. You should be good because we've been out there sweeping for mines." "Thank you very much, I'm gonna go through." Iran, "Wait a minute, you can't do that, that violates the ceasefire." Wait a minute, what does violating a ceasefire have to do when all I'm doing is I'm also escorting at a distance? What they're doing, it's like security is really what it is, Pat. It's like security. So it's like Iran sees a US frigate shadowing a foreign tanker

• 13:59Tom Ellsworth?

  just trying to go through the strait. And Iran knows that if it launches things out there, that we're gonna, that would be a violation of ceasefire, that we're gonna knock them out of the sky. So have a nice day. So the reason this is significant is the US has got the strait moving a little bit. And it shows that the mine sweeping activity has been somewhat effective. And we're trying to get things going and we're trying to get it open. A lot of people would say it's a long time coming. It's taken longer than I would have hoped it would. But it shows that there's movement and it shows that there's positive progress. But violate a ceasefire? The guy screaming about that, Pat, is because, you know, we've sort of foiled some of their, their, their sea mine plot.

• 14:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Sea mine plot?

• 14:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, because they put the mines everywhere.

• 14:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, we're talking about 100 to roughly 1,600 vessels, 20,000 crew workers that are on these ships, depending on the sizes.

• 14:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Sitting there.

• 14:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Some of these guys are like, dude, I need to eat something. You know, they're running out of basic supply. So, and it's not like they're gonna be like, hey, let's go to Iran. Let's go, go, go to dinner over there, let's gonna come back. You can't do that, like get on small little boats and go out there. It's, it's a different kind of a situation. Now, while this is going on, Rob, Iran sends their proposal to US with 14 points that they asked about, right? And then US comes back and says, "No, we're not having the seven to eight points." Uh, that we're gonna be with and Ruha Allah, their, their, their supreme leader came out and said the following. I think he said something about the fact that we're not compromising. Iran's supreme leader vows to protect nuclear and missile capabilities.

• 15:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And they keep saying this over and over and over again, meaning, look, we're not doing anything unless if we can't have our nuclear weapons. So they keep saying this, this is the supreme leader, Iran's supreme leader vows to protect nuclear and missile capabilities. Right there, capable in a statement, Ayatollah Khomeini said that the only place Americans belong in a Persian Gulf is at the bottom of its waters. Okay, obviously, that's how you speak when you're negotiating, very, uh.

• 16:02Speaker 05

  Sweetheart.

• 16:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Sweetheart, yeah, Iran's supreme leader defied Thursday to protect Islamic Republic's nuclear missile capabilities with US. Donald Trump has sought to curtail. In a statement read by state television anchor, Ayatollah Khomeini said the only place Americans belong to the Persian Gulf is the bottom of the water. And a new chapter was being written in the region's histories. Remarks come as Iran's economy is reeling and its oil industry is being squeezed by the US Navy blockade, halting its tankers. From getting out to sea, the world economy is under pressure. Iran maintains its chokehold on the Strait of Hormuz through which a fifth of all crude oil is transported on Thursday. The global benchmark for crude, uh, for oil Brent crude, uh, hits as high as 126.

• 16:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So 90 million proud and honorable Iranians inside and outside the country regard all of Iran's identity-based, spiritual, human, scientific, industrial, technological capabilities. From nanotechnology to biotechnology to nuclear missile capabilities as nationals, said Khomeini, by the way. So he's selling Iran and they want to make sure this is not going to be going away. So do we yet know, Rob, what those seven or eight are that America turned down?

• 17:07Speaker 05

  I don't believe they have been publicized yet.

• 17:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so we don't know that, but this is happening while they send the 14. Trump at first says he doesn't know. Then he said, we looked at it, we don't like some of the demands on what's going on. And so we'll see, most report of 14 components, binding non-aggression guarantees from US, full end to hostilities across all fronts, including Israel, Lebanon. Withdrawal of US forces from around Iran region, end of US naval blockade of Iran, reopening of. Straight of Hormuz under a new joint system. Full lifting of US sanctions, release of frozen Iranian assets, that's $30 billion. Compensation, reparation for war damage, resolution of all regional conflicts tied to the war. Recognition of Iran's regional security role, end to sovereign interference in Iran's international affairs.

• 17:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Delay nuclear negotiations until after the war ends. Absolutely, just a brilliant way of possible temporary freeze or limits on enrichment later. No upfront nuclear concessions in the initial deal phase. Adam.

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• 20:02Speaker 07

  Well, Iran is not to be trusted whatsoever. You know, Jake Sullivan, who used to be the advisor for Biden, national security advisor, he said, listen, when it comes to Iran, remember this one thing, you know, there's a famous phrase, you know, trust but verify. He said, just remember this, don't trust them and verify everything. By the way, speaking of trust, tell me who you think said this quote. No unilateral Iranian arrangements can be trusted or relied upon following its treacherous aggression against all its neighbors. Hillary? You think Hillary said that? Barack Obama. Who do you think said that? Barack Obama? I'm gonna go with BHO. How about the king of United Arab Emirates, Mohammed bin Zayed, the MBZ, you know, not MBS from Saudi. You're down with MBZ?

• 20:47Speaker 07

  You're down with MBZ, yeah, you know me. He said, do not trust these people. Going on, he said, in the ongoing discussions surrounding the trade of hormones, the collective international will and provisions of international law emerges the primary guarantor of freedom and navigation through the vital passage, ultimately saying that we're drawing from OPEC and that we're drawing closer ties to Israel. Israel has now sent UAE, who they signed the Abraham Accords with, the first of its kind ever to send and deploy the Iron Dome system to UAE. So I'll ask you this, who do you think knows Iran better than anybody, its neighbors? UAE has been attacked more than any other country. So they're basically saying, we're aligning with the US, we're done with the cartel known as

• 21:59Speaker 03

  OPEC, we're aligning with Israel and the Abraham Accords for economic and stability through strength. And bottom line, Iran is not to be trusted. Now UAE, I gotta give respect to these people out there. They're calling themselves the Switzerland of the Middle East. And their stock is being lowered because of its smelly kid on the playground known as Iran. Pat, and just, just from those 14 points, I don't see anything there that the president would go, yeah, okay, we're good. So, so you know what that says? They're not trying to make this thing stop. They're not, because I, did you read every single one of them? Every single one of them, just for a second, I went, okay, is that something that a business guy like Trump would say? Yeah, yeah, we're good. Remove this, do that. It's all positive stuff for them and we'd be completely ticked off.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  So it doesn't look like that, that's not a realistic plan. Let me add one thing, and Pat, I want to get your perspective here because you lived there for 10 years. You know why I respect Iran? Because I know exactly what they stand for. You know, we're talking about the ships, the naval passages, trade of Hormuz. You know, and like the Titanic, you know, the thing is, I'm going down with the ship. The Ayatollahs and the RSGC, you know what I know about them? They're willing to go down with the ship. This is an existential threat. We want to get in and get out. They will kill everybody, including their own citizens in order to survive. How do you negotiate with someone like that that's willing to kill their own people? That's the hard part here.

• 23:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You're, the only way you would do it, like, this is the only way I would think this is possible, is to make sure Putin and China are on your side, telling them, get your act together. And that's not happening. And, and so the fact that the, who's the second most powerful man in, in the world?

• 23:40Speaker 03

  Probably Xi.

• 23:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You would put Xi in, in, ahead of Putin that's got 10,000 nuclear, okay, who's the third?

• 23:46Speaker 03

  I'd put Xi.

• 23:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Who do you put?

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Well, Trump is number one. Okay. Xi is number two. I think I put Putin too. Well, actually, hold on, Bibi Netanyahu is number one, because I- Obviously, he controls Trump.

• 23:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  Possibly she also. Okay, so in that case, Bibi, obviously.

• 24:00Patrick Bet-David?

  But honestly, seriously, tell me.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  I think Putin. She is number two. No, no. Putin might be number three. It would be very close.

• 24:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask Tom. Tom, give me the top three most powerful people in the world.

• 24:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Right now, it's, I think, right now, most, one of the most powerful people in the world, I think, first of all, Trump is, I think, the most powerful guy in the world.

• 24:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Just give me your top three, Tom.

• 24:18Tom Ellsworth?

  And then number two, I think, because of negative influence right now, you know, you know, is Xi, and even greater negative influence is, I think, right now, whoever is leading Iran right now is number three, because you're, you're, you're through negative influence, you're creating havoc.

• 24:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Where do you put Putin?

• 24:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Putin? You know, right now, Putin's probably, to me, like, number four, but I put Iran ahead of Putin simply because.

• 24:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Tom, you took 70 seconds to answer my question.

• 24:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Seriously, I'm like, just give me an answer. So let's just.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  Who do you think it is? You don't think it's Putin?

• 24:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's, let's, I don't care where you put Putin. Let's say Putin's the top five, okay? In this situation that we're dealing with, uh, what do you call it? That we're dealing with Iran, okay?

• 25:02Patrick Bet-David?

  If Putin or Xi, who have influence over Iran, don't tell Iran, hey, let's wrap it up, guess what's gonna happen? It's gonna continue. So if Putin met with Abbas Al-Rajhi, and they're sitting there together going through it, you, you, there's no, so this is kinda like, hey, don't worry about it, I got your back. So you give the guy, in Farsi, there's a word called porru.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  Porru.

• 25:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Porru. How do you, by the way, for the Iranian people watching this, can you in the chat explain what the definition of porru is, okay? The Iranian porru, it means what? Not Peru, porru.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Porru.

• 25:39Patrick Bet-David?

  P O R U, porru, like that. Farsi meaning of porru, shameless, cheeky, brazen. It, it, uh, you know, it describes someone who is audacious or acts with excessive boldness, often crossing social boundaries. It is commonly used to describe pushy behavior, though it can sometimes be used playfully among friends. So Iran, Iran's, the IRGC today is porru because of China and Russia, period. They're acting the way that they are because of them. So if you really wanna negotiate with somebody like that, and you wanna kinda get things done, your first thing is Russia and China. So I would be talking and saying, hey, Putin. I need your back in this situation with Iran. China, I need your back in this situation with Iran.

• 26:24Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you gonna be doing? Well, Xi just came out recently, he's like, "No, we're not with this on what you guys are doing." And Putin came out and said, "No, I'm meeting with the guy and I'm showing him we are a very strong ally." So I think Trump has to get very, very creative to get these guys to wanna negotiate. Because for as long as Iran knows that China and Russia have their backs, they're gonna be poor ruh, simple. And, and that's not gonna be going away anytime soon, the way it's looking like, so. Why do you say it's not gonna be going?

• 26:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Rocket fuel, China's sending them rocket fuel.

• 26:56Patrick Bet-David?

  No. The story that you keep hearing is that they're hemorrhaging money, I mean, a million dollars a day. How long is that sustainable for? We're talking trillions of dollars. Oh, they don't, they don't care, they don't care. But how are they gonna fund everything? They, they'll find a way to get help, they'll sell, they'll sell anything and everything. They're gonna sell their blood. They'll sell anything and everything to not have Western ideology be in Iran. Anything and everything to make sure. But how long is that sustainable if they have no money? I, I don't know the answer to the question. I can tell you, we have a deadline, they don't. What do you think our deadline is? June 14th is our deadline. Why is that a specific number? World Cup starts, it's Trump's birthday, June 14th is, uh, Trump's birthday. From there on, if you, if you, if you get this thing done pre-June 14th,

• 27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  everybody will forget about Iran come August, September, and will be moving on with interest rates going lower, gas prices going lower, economy coming back up, we're gonna be looking at World Cup, 4th of July celebration, 250 years. But US has a deadline. US's deadline is June 14th. That's your opinion? That's my opinion, I'm, this is my opinion. Trump didn't say that, that date. This is my opinion, PBD, I'm saying it, I'm, I'm giving it. What, what do you think will happen realistically that Trump's decision makes by June 14th? Iran knows the deadline, Iran knows, they, those. They're basically saying we got 6 weeks. Oh, they're like, "Guys, it's okay, double down." The Supreme Leader just said what? What was his line, Rob? Can you pull up the line of what the Supreme Leader said?

• 28:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Who the hell's the Supreme Leader?

• 28:22Speaker 03

  The, the son.

• 28:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Is he even alive?

• 28:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's injured.

• 28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  The Supreme Leader says...

• 28:28Patrick Bet-David?

  He says in a statement, "The only place Americans belong, Americans, not America. Americans is like everybody. It's like the way Randy finds it, Armenians, right? And then he had to come back and change his position. It's Americans. The only place Americans belong is in the Persian Gulf, at the bottom of its waters, that a new chapter. So do you, how do you think, if he writes like this publicly, how do you think he is?

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Oh my God, the people that shout "Death to America" nonstop, want to see America at the bottom of the sea, no way.

• 29:01Patrick Bet-David?

  To me, if he says "America", if he says "Trump", if he says "The current leader, the current regime", that's different than you saying "Americans".

• 29:12Speaker 03

  "American",

• 29:14Patrick Bet-David?

  That means it's everybody. So for me, you're dealing with somebody whom you just killed his wife. I think you killed his mom. I think you definitely killed his father. And you want him to be nice and friendly right now? No. Hey, look, I was on Piers three days before they killed Khamenei. And I'm like, "What's the point of killing an 86-year-old man? Okay, there's not a point..." Symbolism, I totally get. But if you, by the way, here's the thing though. If we're in a gang, we're in a crew, you go and kill 50 of the leaders in that gang? There is no negotiation.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  It's over.

• 29:50Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, it's not. I'm not saying it's over. It's like, hey, if your position is, "We're gonna go kill 50 of your top guys in your gang", guess what the position has to be?

• 29:59Speaker 03

  We gotta take them out?

• 30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You gotta take all of them out. So, so it's not like there is anything that is, you know, just, "Hey, let's come back and let's talk to the guy who we killed his mom, wife, and his, uh, and his, uh, father. Hey, how you doing? How you doing, man? How's family?

• 30:18Speaker 03

  They're probably in heaven.

• 30:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah, how's family? Everybody good? Everyone, I'm sure you're...

• 30:22Speaker 03

  Doesn't that give us... This is not the end of WWE, where you hug each other and say, "Hey, fight."

• 30:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Doesn't that give us leverage and say, "Listen, we just took out all your guys?" Guys, who's next? But you you don't understand, like, look, if you were in gangs, The Peru thing? If you were in gangs, like, Like Tom was in the Crips with the Bloods? It's a it's a different way negotiating with the Italian mafia, because the Italian mafia was notoriously known for killing each other.

• 30:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Every once in a while, when you went out and you killed other people that were not within, you got in trouble. But the Russian mob doesn't live by your rules. Yeah. And neither did MS-13, and neither did the Latin Kings, you know, the way they roll, neither to you, just because your mafia runs that way doesn't mean mine has to run that way. I'm not in a Jewish mafia. Yeah, I know, but what I'm saying is, I'm out of that. What I'm saying is the fact that we have to understand you're negotiating with a very different group of people, and so we'll see what happens here. But let me get into the next thing here. So Tucker does an interview with New York Times, and I ended up watching the whole interview. I actually thought it was a very good interview, and it was very revealing. But one of the clips that went viral was, which clip is this, Rob?

• 31:25Speaker 05

  This is the Antichrist comment?

• 31:27Patrick Bet-David?

  OK, go for it. So play, so this is, by the way, I had no idea who the interviewer was. I thought she did a great job in the interview, and I thought Tucker was actually revealing with some of the answers that he gave. This was one of the moments that they had. Go ahead and play the clip here, Rob.

• 31:43Speaker 07

  You've been talking on your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.

• 31:46Speaker 05

  I have not said that.

• 31:47Speaker 07

  On your show, the day after Easter, you noted, he did not put his hand on the Bible during his swearing ceremony as president. You said, and I'm quoting, "Maybe he didn't put his hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside that book." And then on a recent show, you went further, saying, "Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the god of gods, and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist?"

• 32:10Speaker 05

  I actually did not say, "Could this be the Antichrist?" Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the god of gods, and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist? Well, who knows? Um, I don't know where that comes from, but I know that those words never left my lips, because I'm not sure I fully understand what the Antichrist is, if there's just-

• 32:34Patrick Bet-David?

  One, I actually tried to understand it. I may have said some are asking that. I'm not weighing in on that because I don't understand it. Vinny.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm, listen, with all due respect, I'm not buying it. That's not some random throwaway line that you get twisted. When you call somebody the Antichrist, if I called, I know me, if I called somebody the Antichrist, that gets put in a certain shelf in my head where I go, that's a really, really bold claim. Honestly, he said he could be the Antichrist. He looked right into camera and he said it, and that's deliberate. Okay, that's not a clip job. You said it. You knew exactly what you were going for. You know exactly what you were trying to do. And like, my question is this, is if you don't remember, was it written? I know we talked about a little bit earlier, Pat, where you don't think so, but if that's the job, are you just reading off the teleprompter that's in front of the thing? You have to know that you're saying stuff like that. And by the way, this came from a longer podcast from Donald Trump, the president,

• 33:27Speaker 03

  tweeting the picture of him as Jesus around Easter time, I believe it was, Rob, where he's holding the soldier and doing all that. And he's, and then Trump comes out after and says, no, I was portraying myself to be a doctor, which Tucker came out and said, oh, you're lying and not being honest. And then Tucker goes and does the same exact thing that the president was doing. So that's the problem. And now it's out of context. Now it's, I never said that. So you either mean it and now you're walking it back, or you threw it out there for clicks. And now you don't want to deal with the blowback. So either way, don't insult people's intelligence. You can't have it both ways. Just, I wish, I wish, and this is one of the hardest things, but I'm there at this point in my life.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  Just admit it. Yes, I said it, and this is what I meant. Just man up. Instead of going, I didn't, I don't know. Oh, it's out of context. Oh, I don't know. There's many Antichrists. Okay, just say it. Say it and man up. I wish, I wish he took that route instead of kind of floating around like he did.

• 34:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 34:26Speaker 03

  Tucker Carlson is a jackass. Now, I don't mean it like in the literal sense. I mean it. We're at a, we're at a time in our lives where people will do.

• 34:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Anything for attention. So the reason I use the word jackass, remember the show Jackass with Johnny Knoxville and these guys? These guys would do anything and everything to get views, clicks and likes.

• 34:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think he's saying this just for views?

• 34:48Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm just saying that that's what people are doing these days.

• 34:50Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but you're saying that he's just saying this not because he believes it, because it gets eyeballs.

• 34:55Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm saying that he's only focused on attention. I'll give you a couple of examples. When's the last time that you watched an entire show about Tucker? Where he didn't mention Israel? It just doesn't happen. Victor David Hanson went and basically did a complete breakdown on Tucker. And he said that 80% of his content, he talks about Israel in his shows. I mean, we talk about Israel, we talk about geopolitics. What percentage do you think we talk? About Israel, even Trump, 10%, 20%? It's all he talks about. So no Jews, no news, but forget about that. He's only doing it for the clicks and the likes and the views. If this were a court of law. And he went and took the oath. And said, okay, and he goes, yeah, I never said that. And they're like, roll the tape.

• 35:38Tom Ellsworth?

  And it's like, you literally said that right there and there, he'd be found guilty. So don't, don't pull the shaggy defense. It wasn't me. I found him in the bathroom. It wasn't me. It was you. The thing that Tucker may not actually recall is that the internet is forever. You say something, roll the clip. Guilty, jail, straight to jail. So I think the challenge that people have to have, and this is my bottom point, bottom line with Tucker. What was is not what is. What was with Tucker? Respected journalist, conservative is clearly no longer what is. Rob, do you have that stat that I sent you? A year ago. Tucker in the conservative media was universally respected.

• 36:23Tom Ellsworth?

  This is March of 2024, actually, two years ago, among the GOP, plus 54. Universal liked figure. Now barely above water, plus seven. So don't tell me that Tucker is not either shooting himself in the foot or playing a different game. Or trying to do this horseshoe theory thing where he thinks he's going to go to a safe space like the New York Times and they're going to be nice to him. Boom, exposed, guilty of lying, straight to jail.

• 36:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think, do you think he knew, like when he played, I didn't say that, do you actually think he knew? Like, did he remember? Because it was less than a month ago.

• 36:57Tom Ellsworth?

  You have a working brain? Answer that.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 37:00Tom Ellsworth?

  If you said Trump is the Antichrist one month ago, would you, Vinny, remember that?

• 37:05Speaker 03

  And I would.

• 37:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Would you say, "I don't even recall that"?

• 37:08Speaker 03

  No, no, I would say yes.

• 37:09Tom Ellsworth?

  What are you doing?

• 37:09Speaker 03

  I would say yes, and here's why I think.

• 37:12Tom Ellsworth?

  But.

• 37:12Speaker 03

  That's why.

• 37:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Deny, deny, deny when it's on tape. It's like, come on, dude.

• 37:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, your thought.

• 37:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Don't believe my lying eyes? What are we doing? Well, I respect the fact that he sat down with someone to have an interview, but we all know nowadays, everybody kind of handpicks things, especially when the, when the times get hot, people handpick who they're gonna sit down with. And could Tucker not know that these kind of comments are gonna come from the New York Times of all people? He can't not know. What was interesting is, he puts the denial out there, but then what he said was, he kind of couched it. Could this be the Antichrist? That's called floating. And then he's, and what did he say at the end of that? Who knows? Is that what he said, Vinny?

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:53Tom Ellsworth?

  So it's not like he came down, "Doggone it, this guy's the Antichrist." That's different from, "Could this be the Antichrist? Who knows?" What he's doing is, it kind of gets couched and people get thinking about it. So I. But Tom, you don't think he remembers saying that? That's my question. I think, do I think he remembered saying it? How can he not remember? Okay, so that's the point here.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Well, it's not like he's called, like, if you, it's not like he called him a mean guy.

• 38:16Tom Ellsworth?

  It was a couching, not really a definitive.

• 38:19Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but let me say, let me say what the difference is. Here's the difference. You know, you know when your default in life is, when you get pushed in a corner, you go to, "Just a comedian."

• 38:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 38:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? You know when the default, if you're a person that is acting dumb? Like, you know when you're like a player and the girl says, "Hey, what is that? What are you talking about?" Your automatic default is what?

• 38:45Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't know.

• 38:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Acting dumb, I don't know what you're talking about, like, you know what I'm saying? I have no idea what you're talking about, right? So if that's your default, the default just showed up. Because you, you're one of the smartest, by the way, if your brain can. retain that much information and knowledge which he can and then now you're saying you don't remember you saying that you do so for me it's more or less about say what you believe in and let the market decide it's okay at least trump would say what he believed in don't beat him around the bush I I respect the fact that he is now finally actually calling out the president but don't then go to new york times and say I never said you did say it so double down and

• 39:29Patrick Bet-David?

  explain your position and let the market tear you apart like when I make a position I give the video and I go in the comment section okay I got torn apart on this one here but that's my position that's where I'm at this is what I believe in right and so you you know when the president says yeah I think we should just take over Greenland the market says you're this he's a dictator you think you're a king okay let me see what the market is saying and the people that I respect said what he said that can you pull up all the fit you don't think the president has a top 50 names of people that he has a department tracking exactly what they say and he gets a score like Tom imagine if we're in the white house what would I be doing I would say Tom these hundred people that we have we would score every one of the influencers on level of

• 40:09Patrick Bet-David?

  credibility and how fair they are and we would score them on reason followership influence gamification manipulation all of that stuff but we would score the high reason people

• 40:19Tom Ellsworth?

  we have a total formula

• 40:21Patrick Bet-David?

  and I would say Tom the message I just gave right now when I push back on XYZ what's our score and you'd come with the business analyst and he would say Pat that score was low for us oh really what do they say they didn't like the well I can't change that's really what I believe

• 40:34Tom Ellsworth?

  13 of the top 18 when it came at us

• 40:36Patrick Bet-David?

  well you would watch it so to me you know to me it all comes down to one thing and that's motive you know it's all motive what is his motive because in the interview the lady asked questions about Fuentes he didn't want to really get into it and then at the end I think he said I regret interviewing Fuentes okay I regret and I don't think he has that much influence the people we have to worry about he said is who Cruz and Huckabee is who we have to worry about

• 41:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Christian Zionists

• 41:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Christian Zionists which by the way I don't have a problem with because that's his position if he repeatedly says that then that's your position I want to know what your position is and then a question was asked about JD Vance and that was probably the most sensitive one Rob is this the one about JD Vance

• 41:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Treachery that JD Vance has been

• 41:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, yes. And then Rubio and all of that. Go ahead and play this clip. Go for it.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  JD has been subject to, this is well known, but I'll just confirm it, nonstop treachery from people on the neoconservative side.

• 41:34Speaker 07

  Who are these people?

• 41:34Speaker 05

  Around Marco Rubio. And they have been totally against JD Vance from the very beginning.

• 41:40Speaker 07

  Who do you mean specifically?

• 41:42Speaker 05

  You know, I don't know is the real answer. I don't know.

• 41:45Speaker 07

  Accusing people of treachery. So I'm wondering.

• 41:47Speaker 05

  Well, I know there's been a lot of treachery for sure. And I know they've been, they were so mad about JD getting that job. I mean.

• 41:53Speaker 07

  They? Who's they? Within the White House?

• 41:55Patrick Bet-David?

  She's doing so good.

• 41:55Tom Ellsworth?

  She's good.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  I don't, you know, I don't know the answer to that. I've never worked there. So like, if you don't work there, you can say, you know, you can say what you think you know, but it's hard to really know.

• 42:04Speaker 07

  This is me looking skeptical.

• 42:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, no, I'm just being honest. Like, I don't really know.

• 42:08Tom Ellsworth?

  What is her name?

• 42:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So, so again, again, going back to this, and this, by the way, this goes, this was a five to a 10 minute segment about JD Vance. I think it's worth watching. And it goes into, do you speak to him? When's the last time you speak to him? He did say that he spoke to Erica Kirk two weeks ago in text, but he didn't want to say that he spoke to JD Vance and how often. And he says, you're somewhat for him. Says, well, you know, what is your son's position? Ask him. I don't know. He has his own career or things that he wants to do. And so when it came down to this topic, it was probably the most sensitive topic, even more than the Antichrist comment about Trump.

• 42:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Nick Fuentes wasn't that sensitive. He just said, I wish I never interviewed him, even though I think it was probably an interview he should have done. I'm glad they had the conversation because the market needs to know exactly where people stand. The more we talk, the better it is. Yeah, I wish I hadn't done the interview. What I really wanted to talk about was where we're headed in this war with Iran. Okay? And so the JD topic is going to be tough. And she said, do you think that's why it's complicated? Because when JD went to negotiate on behalf of US with Iran?

• 43:24Patrick Bet-David?

  That's gonna, uh, what was the word she used, Rob? You haven't seen the thing she said. You think that's gonna bolt a ward about the fact that he's destroyed forever if he runs again? I don't know what award it was. If you ask it on chat GPT, she used the word, I don't know if he's destroyed forever, but it's gonna hurt him, something like that. And so, very revealing on what was said there in a big way. Very revealing on JD. You can tell. And then they talked about a third party. And you know, what would the party be? I don't even know what the left or the right or Democrat or Republican looks like right now. I don't even know what that is, you know? I think it's, you know, um, so, you know, but you could tell they're not, he's not a Rubio guy. So a part of this, why the market is very, very important to be looking at right now, Vinny,

• 44:09Patrick Bet-David?

  is seeing what's going on going into 2028. Who's gonna be TPUSA's camp candidate? Is that gonna have as much weight as it did in 2024? Like Charlie's endorsement of saying, I support this versus a TPUSA's endorsement. Those are two different things. Do you get what I'm saying, Tom? So imagine it's like Charlie Kirk endorses, you know, Trump. Charlie Kirk endorses Marco Rubio. Charlie Kirk endorses JD Vance versus TPUSA endorses JD Vance or Rubio. I got a call this weekend, just so you guys know, you know, open, I had a conversation with one of the members of TPUSA's board.

• 44:52Patrick Bet-David?

  We had a long conversation this weekend because of my comments that I made and I, you know, I gave my position to them on the call. It was between us and them, private conversation. And, uh, my, my criticism didn't necessarily change on realizing what's going on. Because the question becomes, remember when Charlie told BB, I think you're losing the PR campaign? Do you remember that? It was in a letter. It was in a letter, right? I think up until this point, TPUSA is losing the PR campaign. I think TPUSA is losing the PR campaign. And you're, you have to either adjust the strategy, you have to do something differently. But all of this going into 2028?

• 45:36Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it's, it's, it's an interesting thing. It's an interesting thing with Tucker. And by the way, you know what else could happen?

• 45:43Patrick Bet-David?

  If, if say there is a slight riff, by the way, and when he asked about Don Jr., he says, "Look, Don and I, we don't talk politics. We just share common views when it comes down to hunting." It was a great moment. It's like, hey, because you know, you know why I like moments like that? I criticized Tucker in a video a couple of weeks ago. My position hasn't changed either. Because we've been around the block long enough, and we know how it is when things get nasty. I know in politics, you know, when, when wars happen in politics, that's very nasty. You know why? Because somebody will sit around and call everybody to bash you and use propaganda to undermine you, and that is the game here.

• 46:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That happens in every industry, except in politics, it's more, what do you call it? Heavier and stronger than anything else. The only difference is, which puts us in a very unique spot, is we don't need anybody's money. We don't. We don't need anybody's money.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  VT, you mean?

• 46:37Patrick Bet-David?

  VT doesn't need anybody's money.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  Thank you for that.

• 46:40Patrick Bet-David?

  We don't need anybody's money. You know, we, we sponsorship, how many sponsorship reasons? All he wants to do is sell his shoes. Yeah, you want me to sell my own shoes? And make sure I'm beholden to my shoe, boss? Hey, you have this, or else, because his shoes are from this. Oh my God, all he does is manect. What do you want me to promote? So I'm beholden to my, risking our own money, right? So that, that's the part where, long-term, there's gonna be some interesting moves taking place. And by the way, for those of you guys that are doing the survey, I'm looking at the number right now, which I freaking love. 300 and exact 17 of you have already done the survey in the first 30, 40 minutes of us announcing this. Those of you guys that go a little bit more thorough in the questions that we ask, that unpack, explain,

• 47:24Patrick Bet-David?

  we may call you, because we want to talk to you and go a little bit deeper into it. Again, anybody that goes and does the survey, $25 gift card goes to VTmerch.com to go purchase whatever you want, and you'll be able to use $25 towards it. So going, going back to this conversation, I think this is all great going into 2028. I think you have to pay very close attention of what alliances are being created. I like the fact that this interview was done. I'm glad he agreed to do this interview, because it's... It kinda was like an opening on who's supporting who, who's gonna be working with who. And by the way, what's the month right now? What are we, May 4th?

• 48:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 48:03Patrick Bet-David?

  May 4th, which, you know, we celebrated Vinnie's birthday, Mario's birthday, and Danny's birthday, and a bunch of other people's birthdays.

• 48:10Tom Ellsworth?

  And today's my grandma's birthday. I know everybody's been saying that.

• 48:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? And today's your grandma's birthday, so happy birthday to you. But this is all going because 2027, 2020, the election's gonna come like this.

• 48:19Tom Ellsworth?

  I just wanna ask you a question. Something you said, talked about credibility, and obviously, this is Tucker's credibility score on screen right now. I think there's a credibility problem. But I wanna ask you something. You said something about, if you're gonna say something, own it. So you just said that you'd call with the TPUSA people, Turning Point.

• 48:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 48:37Tom Ellsworth?

  You made some comments about Erica being CEO. You just said, "Yeah, that's what I said." You know, you were asked, I think with John Karayaku or whatever about Reza Pahlavi, you're like, "Yeah, I said that. Straight up. Yeah, Ron DeSantis. Yeah, I said that." Do you ever recall something that was, that you said, you're like, "No, I never said that." Like, why would someone do that and never said that?

• 49:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Not, by the way, if you forget, great, hold me accountable. I said, "Okay, great. Yeah, I said that." I don't recall that. But I don't wanna play the game up because I'm so, what do you call it, righteous, and I don't make mistakes like that. That's not what I'm saying.

• 49:13Tom Ellsworth?

  You're owning what you said.

• 49:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I know. But what I am saying is, I have had my opinions change on issues where I'm like, "Ooh, that is, that's interesting, what they're saying there." You know what? That's a good point. When it comes on to crony capitalism, on what happens with these other guys, you're right. Because some of these guys that are making it harder for the smaller guy to compete, I'm not with that. I don't want the smaller guy. We had a guy that, a person that came here to us last week on Business Wednesday, and he was fully supportive of NATO in a massive way. And I've had a conversation with... Three different people that I don't agree with everything they say Susan Kokeinda one of the best conversations she gave a complete different angle I never thought about I was like very interesting who has been at this intelligence business longer than anybody

• 49:55Patrick Bet-David?

  else MI6 the Brits these guys are the professionals they trained everybody they trained Mossad they trained CIA they trained you know Iran Savak Savak was trained by MI6 and now you want yeah so she gave that angle and then we had the Robert Pape which is gonna come out and he says Trump's losing he's showed that angle and then we had the Asian guy the guy the

• 50:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Professor

• 50:17Patrick Bet-David?

  the Zhang guy and then I had the who's the governor from Maryland that's running Wes Moore conversation great conversation that's gonna I think this is good but you have to realize like the market for instance Vivek if you looked at the numbers a year ago Vivek was supposed to be the governor of Ohio right and now people can say a lot of different things so well it's the H1B visa tweet that happened that was a follow on outs why he left Doge and I think he was gonna run for governor no matter what okay no it's the video clip of what he said about Christians and how he defined Christians and Jesus and all that other stuff and you know and now you look at the numbers from 75% to 60% to 50% to now the Democratic Party more likely to win Ohio than Republican Party Republican

• 51:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Party is Vivek and look I'm rooting for Vivek to win because the last eight presidents according to what Tom just said right before the podcast and Rob if you can validate this the last eight presidents that became presidents they won Ohio trust me you want Vivek to win but you know the question becomes how do you look at that Rob is

• 51:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Rob I sent you the I sent you the link in the chart you have it there it is except 2020 since 1980 Ohio elects the president

• 51:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom since that's even more than eight one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 12 out of the last 12 presidential winners 11 out of 12 we want Ohio you lose Ohio you lose the presidency 88% chance 90% chance

• 51:47Tom Ellsworth?

  I think there's been a discussion or two about 2020

• 51:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah so so so exactly that's a good point so the 2020 is the one that could be the the wild card so essentially some could even say it's 12 out of 12 so to me Vivek made this comment that's been circulating recently Rob if you want to play this clip if you want to play this clip and I have my thoughts on this here's Vivek explaining Jesus Christ okay who he is

• 52:10Speaker 01

  So I'll be very honest, it's not a hard question. So in our faith tradition, Jesus Christ is a Son of God. I know that is different than saying he's the Son of God. But that is my view of Jesus Christ. He's got our family. Do we worship in churches? Yes, we do. Is that compatible with our faith? Yes, it is. One true God, in many forms. So that's different, and I understand that. That is different. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. I think that that is the path, that is a path to heaven is the way we look at it. But believe in God is what we say. Believe in the one true God. That's the way I look at it.

• 52:42Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, this isn't recent. He said this a while ago. Rob, when did he actually say this? This could have even been a year and a half ago. This could have been a year ago, maybe even two years ago. When we had him at our town hall, remember when one of the guys got up at the town hall? Yeah, it was a lady that asked him. The lady got up and said, "What's your position with Jesus? And what's your position with..." And he gave that answer very eloquently. And guess what? You know what I liked about Vivek? He gave his answer September 20th. By the way, that was almost three years ago. From what he said in Iowa, okay? So, you know, that's what he believes in. You know, that's what he believes in. He gave that answer where he's at. Now, the question becomes, is that gonna hurt his chances of winning? Governor for state of Ohio? I don't know.

• 53:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what's gonna happen there. I don't know if this is the reason why he's not gonna get elected. I will tell you, if you have to choose, if you have to choose a Vivek, smart guy, sharp guy, who is one of those fighters, tough guys, brilliant guy. I think sometimes his challenge is, you know what Vivek's challenge is sometimes? He is so smart and brilliant, that the average person that listens to him, you feel dumb sometimes. You know, when he speaks, you're like, "Oh my God, this guy wrote a thesis on that issue that happened," right? Where Trump speaks, you know what you feel like when Trump speaks?

• 54:04Tom Ellsworth?

  One of the boys is talking to him.

• 54:05Patrick Bet-David?

  He's like, "Hey, it's just one of me, I'm just talking to a regular guy."

• 54:08Tom Ellsworth?

  They call him the blue collar billionaire.

• 54:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. So the blue collar, so, you know, I think it's too late to make these types of adjustments anyways, but the market is gonna react. And where Ohio goes is where presidency goes. So if Republicans are sitting there saying, "But let me tell you Vivek this, but let me tell you Vivek that, but let me tell you, Ohio loses, Newsom's your president."

• 54:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Flat out. Well, wake up, Ohio. Ohio loses, Newsom is your president. And by the way, you may want that. You may want that. You may be saying, that's exactly what I want. I want Republicans to lose and Democrats to win. For them to learn how much power we got. Maybe, and maybe that's your position. I can tell you what happens if these guys take over. Have you been seeing what's going on to New York? Have you been watching what's going on in, uh? Texas? Texas. I would love to see Vivek, uh, do a debate against Mom Donnie. I would love that. Well, that's not gonna happen, but, uh, Tom, your thoughts on this with, as a Christian man yourself? Here's a guy's given his position, how do you process it?

• 55:08Tom Ellsworth?

  So, um, I'm familiar with faiths and I, I don't, I don't dive into a deep analysis of it. He's Hindu. Hindu believes that there's one big creator, God, and does not believe that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me. That's the Christian point of view. So it doesn't surprise me. So on one side, I say, hey, he's Hindu and he's not trying to hedge his bet. You know what I mean, Vinnie? If he was trying to say, well, I'm Hindu, but, and he was trying to spin into the Christian, I would say, dude, wait a minute. You're Hindu. You believe in one God. So don't tell me that you're trying to do this. I think he was being straight up about his feelings with that guy, um, whether it was two years ago or three years ago.

• 55:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Now, the problem is, what Pat, you just said, I think is exactly Vivek's problem. When he over-analyzed Americans, well, you know, American kids are playing football and doing this and that, while other kids, like Indian kids, are studying math or in math clubs, he, he touched a red line there. And the red line was, you kinda went after Americana kinda accidentally by over-analyzing. And so, as a man of faith, I appreciate that he's a man of faith. I, I don't agree with Hinduism, but I believe he's been presenting it authentically for his point of view, and I don't think he's spinning, so I wasn't offended by that.

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• 58:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no. We spent a lot of time with the guy. I, you know, we went to every single debate. We watched every one of the debates. You know, he's gonna be a very, very good fighter for 99% of the values you agree with. 95% of values you agree with. Does he have to make some adjustments on messaging and all that stuff? Yes. Is he kind of being authentic and straight up by giving you what he believes in? I think so. You want to lose this guy? I don't know. I don't know. I would much rather have him as one of the guys. He would not even be a team of rival. Vinny, what do you have with this? What are you thinking here?

• 59:39Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I love how you guys broke it down. I mean, I personally don't like, me and Humberto have talked, we've talked about this. This is a Christian nation. To me, to be the president, you'd have to be Christian. That's why I always said, by the way, all respect for him. He's freaking awesome. I love being around him. I love the way he speaks so eloquently, but at the end of the day, Christian nation, I want a Christian president. I know sometimes we haven't got them, Obama, you know, possibly Trump, whatever. That aside, and you guys made a good point, just in that moment, he could have just said, no, listen, I'm a Hindu. We have a different belief, but, but I'm not going to try to hinder anything that's already happening. This is a Christian nation. I'm not going to put any policies. I'm not going to do anything.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  I'm not going to do what, like, mind you, think about the Hindu religion compared to what Islam and what Mamdani is doing. Outside prayer, forcing this stuff on people. I would have just said that. I'm not going to try to change anything, but this is a bigger picture that we have to look at. He's about, hopefully he'll become the governor. Pat, this is a bigger fight, okay? He loses, we lose the presidency, that's a whole different situation. At least he's being honest and he's saying his thing. You guys know where I'm at. I'm with Tom. I know who Jesus Christ is. I know exactly what he was here for and what he did, and he saved us. But I really hope that people could say, okay, he's a Hindu. He's not trying to change anything. We need him to win instead of a Democrat. Plain and simple.

• 1:01:03Tom Ellsworth?

  When we fight over faith, guess what? We forget about who's the best candidate for jobs, education, welfare, immigration, the economy, interest rates. He wins six to nothing on just that list versus Amy Acton. And here, we're about to let, you know, another democratic socialist in the door. So it's like, maybe if they get us fighting over Vivek and his faith stance, they're the ones that are laughing.

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. I think Vivek is great. I think, I don't know if he's gonna be capable of winning the United States presidency. I don't know that. I think I said that to his face. I said, I don't know if a brown Hindu guy is gonna be President of the United States, but I do think that he could still win Ohio. What I'll tell you is this, America is a Christian country, and we do need to have Christian values, or Judeo-Christian biblical values, at the center of society, or society will crumble. At the same time, we're a big tent in America. Just because we're a Christian country, doesn't mean we can't have people of all shapes, sizes, faith, religions, beliefs, be a part of it. Yes, he's Hindu. You know, I believe that Hindus believe there's many paths to God. Live righteous, be a good person. They believe in karma, they believe in reincarnation,

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  they believe in spirituality. Major respect. Well, you wanna know what I respect about Vivek? Which, I mean, I'll circle back to what we're talking about with Tucker. Why I don't respect Tucker? Cause he owns it. He said, listen, man, I'm Hindu. Respect to you. Respect if you're Christian. Respect if you're Muslim. Respect if you're Jewish. Respect to whatever you are. I respect everyone's religion, but this is what I believe. And I hear, I'm telling you what I believe, and owning it. Not saying, well, I never said that Jesus is a son of God. I never, he owns his statements. And that's ultimately what this comes down to, credibility. You might not have believed or agree with what he says, but he has the balls and the courage to say, yes, I said that. I have a major issue with people who say, I've never said that. And back

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  to one thing you said, Pat. You said, opinions change. You said, you know, maybe I'll adjust my opinion. You talked about crony capitalism, what have you. Of course, as you should, because you're reasonable and you use your brain. And you say, you know what, my opinions change. Can you imagine me saying at this point, Pat, no, I never voted for Biden. I never, that wasn't me. It's like, buddy, we have you on film, saying you voted for Biden. But me, like, that's the biggest problem, is if you're gonna stand for something, stand for it. And if you're going to change your opinion, at least give people the response of, this is why I changed my opinion. But don't flip the script and act like we don't notice.

• 1:03:37Patrick Bet-David?

  There's no way a brown Hindu guy would be president. I mean Barack was a black Muslim and he won the presidency.

• 1:03:43Speaker 03

  So I don't like what you're doing right there. He's not Muslim. I do understand.

• 1:03:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Hussein Obama was not, is not, you think he's a Christian?

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  Well, he says he's a Christian.

• 1:03:52Patrick Bet-David?

  When was that? Can we fact check?

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  He would go to church in Chicago.

• 1:03:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Guess what? Everybody can walk into a church and go to a funeral.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  He says he's a Christian. He put his hand on the Bible. I get that he sounds like a Muslim.

• 1:04:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't believe it.

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  Barack Hussein Obama, I get that.

• 1:04:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't believe it.

• 1:04:08Speaker 03

  But I mean, so at this point, we're not even arguing facts. We're just arguing distortions of reality.

• 1:04:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know.

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  He says he's a Christian. Do I think that he's been weak on Christianity and been more pro Muslim? Yes, but he says he's Christian.

• 1:04:22Patrick Bet-David?

  The guy, the guy that he's running against, Sherrod Brown, if you want to pull this up, 70 something years old.

• 1:04:27Speaker 03

  Sherrod Brown in Ohio.

• 1:04:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Ohio.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  Former Senator.

• 1:04:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Sherrod Brown. He is who he's running against. Isn't this the lead candidate?

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  No, he's a Democrat.

• 1:04:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course. Vivek's going up against Sherrod Brown.

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  No, meaning that he still needs to get out of the primaries, what you're saying.

• 1:04:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Who, who, who am I talking about?

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  Vivek needs to get out of the primaries.

• 1:04:41Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the guy that they're saying is going to be the leading candidate for governor for Ohio.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Ohio, out of the Democratic side of the, Vivek out of the Republican.

• 1:04:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes. Yeah. So this guy, he started, by the way, he's been a politician since he was 21 years old. Okay? So he's a career politician, not a border guy, just so you know that. He studied Russian affairs. Like his degree was, you know, he's one of those guys that's like a Bernie, you know, uh, uh, not, not a border.

• 1:05:07Speaker 03

  He's like a blue collar Bernie.

• 1:05:09Patrick Bet-David?

  But he's also in Ohio. So you got a guy that he's going up against that, uh, so this could be your guy. Okay? This could be your guy. So you may not know the name right now, Sherrod Brown?

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  No, he's a, he's a guy. He's been, he was a senator for a decade.

• 1:05:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You will definitely, but, but if a guy from Ohio goes and beats Vivek, you better believe you're going to know this face and this name in 2027, 2028, because he knows if Ohio wins. The liberal candidate becomes a president of the United States. So this guy, get used to this name and face, if he wins, if he wins. So for me, you know, if I, if I have to agree with the policies that Vivek Scott, and then you disagree on faith, that's where your choice comes in. Is America ready for somebody like him to become a governor? You know, I, you're gonna want a fighter like that. Because as this thing's going in a different direction, you're gonna want different looking Avengers to fight. And he's a very important role, in my opinion, for the Avengers to fight,

• 1:06:03Patrick Bet-David?

  even though he had a couple mishaps in his campaign. So let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get to is Daily Wire. So, story comes out, and you know, everybody is, is in the market. The moment something bad happens, they're losing, they're doing this, they're doing that. Oh, we're killing it, let me tell you how many subscribers, we're doing so well. So, you know, when you're doing great, you brag. But when you have a setback, the market's gonna criticize you as well. And that's part of capitalism and how it works, and you have to kind of take it. So, Rob, what numbers do we have? Which one is this? So Daily Wire's hit with layoffs across a number of teams, largely from their Nashville headquarters. This is what page? Page 31, I believe, if I'm not mistaken.

• 1:06:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Page 33, let me go to it and read some of the numbers to you. And then Vinny, I'm gonna come to you on this one here first. So, Daily Wire has been hit with another round of layoffs, okay? Uh, there's a couple stats. This article I can read, Rob. I'm more interested in reading the stats, because the stats I'm reading about is 50%, 60%, 85%. They went from 200 employees to losing 100 employees, you know, in the Nashville office. And so today, the Daily Wire made a difficult decision to restructure the organization, which included layoffs of a number of teams. Spokesperson said, "We are deeply grateful to those impacted their contributions, were instrumental in the building of Daily Wire into what it is today." The statement continued, "The cuts were largely concentrated at our Nashville production office, as the company has invested in new formats, locations, and production models,

• 1:07:29Patrick Bet-David?

  our footprint, as the company has invested in, there has evolved. Over the last year, we have added production staff in DC, the Northeast, and Florida. The step allows us to focus our resources on an ambitious slate of..." New entertainment projects set to be released later this. Additionally, we will continue to invest in our editorial team and investigative journalism, where we have already added numerous new reporters across the country and establish a DC bureau with a seat in the White House briefing room. Cameron, our kind of political reporter for the side, was affected by a round of cuts. He posted about the layoffs on social media on Friday. Hey friends, tough news to share. I was impacted by the layoffs today at Daily Wire, so I'm looking for opportunities in journalism, communication here in DC. Candace said, who worked at the company until 2024, commented on the layoffs.

• 1:08:14Patrick Bet-David?

  She hinted that at least 50% of the company's staff was affected. That has yet to be confirmed. Hearing that Daily Wire laid off over 50% of their staff today, as much as I positively despise what their executives put me and my family through, there are a lot of good people at the company. Brent shared, the editor in chief from Daily Wire, refuted this claim and others similar on X.

• 1:08:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, the company has had layoffs. It's always rough. No, it is not nearly at 50% of the company. That's insane and also insane to post without verifying. Vinnie.

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  I mean, this is what happens when your whole company is built on personalities and then you forget they have a massive audience. Like you fire them or they just leave, a big chunk of that audience is going with them. And at one point, Ben Shapiro was pulling 170 million views a month.

• 1:09:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Go on that rap.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  On YouTube.

• 1:09:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you have the, you have the chart that shows the clips? Oh, go ahead.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, it was massive. It was massive. And then post October 7th, you know, a lot of things changed. He got a lot more aggressive, going after anyone not lighting up with his stance on Gaza. That shift alone starts narrowing the audience and you create tension inside the company. Then long after that, Candace Owen gets fired, whether you know, you agree with her or not, that move sends a message, okay? You're not just losing a voice, you're pushing out someone who built a real audience underneath your umbrella. Same pattern with Brett Cooper, she left, different situation, same result, her entire audience left with her, you know what I'm saying? So instead of locking in what already worked, they tried doing this whole thing into something conservative. They tried doing like a, a conservative Disney. They did studio, you know, movies, kid content, streaming products, everything at once, sounds

• 1:09:51Speaker 03

  great until it doesn't. work okay you can't run a newsroom a film studio a kid platform a product line all at once unless you have endless money and you have serious discipline and they stretch themselves thin chasing everything instead of just dominating the lane that they already own they had a couple of wins i think matt matt walsh rob i think the racist one did very very well his documentary really really good numbers but most of those big wins pat they didn't they didn't land then jeremy boring steps down that's that's that's not stability that's cracks starting to show and as my friend thomas the biz doc ed edsworth says words talk numbers scream and these numbers scream you went from 170 million views to 22 million views you know this guys that's not a dip that's

• 1:10:36Speaker 03

  a collapse and they're still carrying the same heavy operation built that when things were booming so here's the truth the brand matters but the connection people have is with the person that's what keeps them watching so when those voices leave or get pushed out or fired because they don't agree with the boss and they can't have a debate as a big piece of the audience goes with them so that's how you end up with a company that looked like a billion dollar machine but it's you know leaning heavy on the people carrying Adam look this thing comes down to one word and that's ben ben shapiro is the face of the daily wire and they have incredible talent i think matt walsh is an incredible talent i think michael knows is a very likeable smart guy they have their whole crew over there respect to what

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  they've done obviously when ben stood up for israel against hamas that showed cracks in the system so i'll ask you one question did the media wire sorry did the daily wire change or did the consumer media landscape change what do you think the answer is i don't think the daily wire changed at all i think they've stood for exactly what they've stand for as a group collectively and the market has changed if you look at the israel approval ratings there's a direct correlation to how americans and the world feel about israel Fighting this war in Gaza and against Iran to how Daily Wire subscriptions go. Now, if you ask me, hey, Ben, if you had the chance to do it all over again,

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  fire Candace, go against Tucker, defend Turning Point USA, defend Israel, would you do it all over again? Do you know what I think his answer would be? I think they would do it. Because to me, this is not about likes, views, clicks. Even when he attacked Megyn Kelly, he said, stand for something. Even if he loses subscribers, even if he loses viewership, it doesn't matter to him. I'll ask you a question. If all of a sudden capitalism wasn't that cool, and we do fear that communism has taken over America, and we saw that the media landscape and the consumers were like, I don't know, we're kind of into this socialism thing. Do you think we'd give one inch to that? We would double down on capitalism. So when you believe in something, you stick with it. And I think that's what he's doing.

• 1:12:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I say I have a couple of observations. And one of them, I was trying to find the numbers over the weekend because I didn't want to put my, hang my hat on a number that was, that was incorrect. Because you have, is Pat, Pat, you and I always talk. When you say they, say who they is. If you say a lot, say a number and do your research and put it up. So what do we know? That they spent millions of dollars on Bent Key, didn't work, and then they canceled. Okay, so wow, an entrepreneur started a product. They spent a bunch of money on it. It didn't work. And the board, at the same time, coincidentally, not coincidentally, March of last year, I think it's been over a year since Jeremy Boring stepped down as CEO. And they say, okay, you know, maybe that didn't work. Well, look, Meta, they tried to do the Metaverse, and they spent billions of dollars into a hole.

• 1:13:31Tom Ellsworth?

  That didn't work either. So you see things like that, you say, wow, maybe that affected your cash reserves. But what was very interesting to me, could you go back to the, um, the, the ratings, the, the chart that Vinnie was talking about? The kind of the green, yeah. Pat, take a look at this. Most media companies, and I looked at this this weekend. Most media companies, 2024 from January to October was like fantastic, and they were up. Why? It was the election show. They're talking primaries, they're talking states, they're talking, just Trump really? Back? No, we're gonna go Kamala is Biden. Did he write the letter? Didn't he write the letter? Remember all that? Look at this. If this is, if this is correct from this, this

• 1:14:12Tom Ellsworth?

  group, then the daily wire viewership was going down into an election cycle where most of the podcasts and the media kind of went up into an election cycle. So I thought that was kind of interesting difference that that they experienced. And those are, those are my observations.

• 1:14:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So my thoughts here on this story here. Number one, running a business is very hard. And running a business that's a public business is even harder. And then running a business with a face of the business has an opinion is even 10 times harder. Okay? So in this case, the guy that when you think about daily wire, who's the face of daily wire?

• 1:14:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Ben Shapiro.

• 1:14:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Ben Shapiro. Guess what? You know, he, it comes with the territory. You can't be upset about it. But, you know, one thing with him, I don't think, you know, he's not a sensitive guy that is going to be affected by it. I will tell you a couple of feedback here. When did Jeremy Boring step down, Rob? What was the?

• 1:15:08Tom Ellsworth?

  A year ago.

• 1:15:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it was March. March of last year? Yeah. Okay. So, by the way, this makes Jeremy Boring look good. This makes Jeremy Boring look good because this says the creative guy was gone. Love him or hate him, you know, he at least maybe was the creative guy that was doing stuff. Okay? He was a guy that was going out there doing the, if you have to say naturally, who was more funny, Ben Shapiro or Jeremy Boring?

• 1:15:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Jeremy Boring.

• 1:15:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not even, it's not even close, right?

• 1:15:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Not Ben.

• 1:15:37Patrick Bet-David?

  But I'm gonna tell you.

• 1:15:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Smarter.

• 1:15:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna tell you. No, that's not even, that's not the conversation.

• 1:15:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Genius.

• 1:15:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So the rebranding of Ben has been, let's try to see if he's funny and let's make him be funny and doing all this stuff. I don't think it's working. The rebranding of trying to attack in the way they do with Candace, the way they're doing, I also don't think that's working. Okay? I don't think that's working. I think if Ben went on the road and did some of the stuff with campuses and schools and stuff like that, I think they can bring that eyeball back up again because he's phenomenal with that, being on the road and talking to kids and, you know, he's one of the OG guys who did this. Him, Crowder, this is way before anybody else was doing it. That's kind of how they build it.

• 1:16:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Even before Charlie, yeah. So, so I think he can get back into it. Does he want to do it or not? Probably security, his family. People are probably saying, no, I think he's got three or four kids. So he's a family guy as well. I, I don't think that's going to be happening. And then, uh, um, you know, last but not least is I do believe, you know, they may have tried to sell a year ago, maybe two years ago, and the numbers were higher. It's like, hey, let's go to the market because they went from Fox News is enemy to Fox isn't an enemy. And maybe we team up together and maybe Fox acquires us and we go under them. And I don't know if that went through or not. Okay, go back up there, Rob. What does it say? Shapiro solicits backers or buyers for Build Out Daily Wire. What's the date on this?

• 1:17:02Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the date on this? Yeah, a year ago. I've spoken a few different people that's when there was on the market. We had some interesting conversations with a few people. Tom, you remember this one? Some people came in and they asked us about our interest about, uh, you know, some, some different moves and, but you know, this is the part about business, you know, we sold a week before money being cheap. A week before money went up in prices, Vinny. And, and, and sometimes like that's not like, oh my God, you guys were such geniuses. No, we got lucky. I mean, I'm bottom, I'm being serious with you. It's very easy to say, let me tell you how brilliant we are. No, it was just timing. Cause then all of a sudden, boom, rates went up and then companies are like, timeout, we're not making any acquisitions the way we were. So,

• 1:17:48Patrick Bet-David?

  our timing, of course, the company is, you know, worth way more than will be sold today. The EBITDA is much higher. The company is happy. Everything ended up working out, but a part of it is also timing of when you drop and you move on. So, repositioning, re-messaging and see if the market, you know, is turned on by it or not. And then you gotta go from there, but this is not in, and by the way, CBS is having a hard time right now.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  Of course they are.

• 1:18:10Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not like CBS is like winning. CBS is getting criticized. So let me get this straight. The 60 Minutes person that's doing the interview, what's her name? Leslie Stahl? Is a Jew, reporting to a Jew and working for a Jew, right? So, so now guess what?

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  That's right, we're gonna own your ass.

• 1:18:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And FYI.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  I knew it, I knew it.

• 1:18:27Patrick Bet-David?

  None of that is wrong. None of that is wrong. So Leslie Stahl, where is Leslie Stahl's family from? I don't know. Is Leslie Stahl Jewish rap? I don't know. Uh, Leslie Stahl, uh, where's her family from? Do we know her family? Yeah, Jewish family. Okay, there you go. So, so she's Jewish. Who she reports to, Barry Weiss. Jewish. Is Jewish. Who bought the company? Who bought the companies, David Ellison and Larry Ellison, who's Jewish? So guess what? Go ahead. How do you fix that?

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Go, go ahead and change the messaging. You have to find a way to go through some, I'm not gonna watch CBS cuz I don't know what these guys are trying to do. This is a very, very, very weird time to be in a media space.

• 1:19:03Speaker 03

  There's a...

• 1:19:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Very weird time to be in a media business. It's gonna be very difficult. It's gonna be very challenging. And you're better off building on systems instead of personalities because if you only build it on personalities, they're gonna go, they're gonna leave, they're gonna do this and look what happened. Candace, boom, Brett Cooper. And then Jordan Peterson's going through some challenges. Hopefully he feels better. I, I, and I saw the, uh, Michaela, uh, Peterson that put a clip about it. Of course, Jordan Peterson at one point played a very, very important role for young men in America. And we heard some news with Rudy Giuliani is also not feeling good. I hope he recovers. He was one of the biggest fighters in America we ever had. He cleaned up the streets of New York. No matter how much people say stuff about Giuliani. You know, our prayers are with him and his, his family and I hope they go through it, make it through. But

• 1:19:47Patrick Bet-David?

  this game of media is not for everybody. It's nasty, it's ugly, and you have to change your approach or the reasoning for it. The other day I went to Publix. Early in the morning I went to Publix cuz we didn't have mushrooms. And just like, you're really going to Publix? I said, babe, the way I make my omelet, both me and Tico like it with this mushroom.

• 1:20:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So I go to Publix. And by the way, when I go to Publix, 7 o'clock, 6:30 in the morning, whatever time it is, I'm dressed like a, you know, I just got up. I'm not fixing my hair or anything. So I go, oh my God, guy pulls up, I'm like, oh shoot, and I didn't have my, I wasn't, I wasn't carrying. So guy comes up, he's giving me a hug and I'm just, when he's hugging me, I'm just watching his hands, you know, because there's different kind of hugs. I'm like, hey, hey, hey. You're like hugging a whole man. No, but you know what I'm saying? When you're hugging somebody with the hands, like, oh, good. By the way, he stays with me for 10 minutes. Every aisle we went, he's following me. Says, why'd you start a podcast? I noticed you're doing a lot of podcasts. Why do you do the podcast? What, nice guy. Well, why are you doing a podcast? You're a guy that's successful. Is it that important? Why is it so important?

• 1:20:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Your strategy for running your media company may have to adjust. Instead of the traditional way of doing it to get sponsorship money. And if you make the right adjustments, maybe you want long term. If you don't and you bring personalities, personalities nowadays, no matter the moment you're bringing, there's everybody in their ear saying, hey, you know, you should do this, you should do that, you should do that. So this constantly gets people to not be able to retain. So kudos to Knowles and Walsh and all those guys for being there because they get so much pressure every day for leaving. And so, I don't know, I don't know what's gonna happen. For staying. Yeah, for, I'm sorry, for staying, yeah. So they're constantly getting criticized to leave. Hey, why aren't you leaving and doing your own thing? But this is a very tough business. We're gonna see this thing over and over again with stories.

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• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  It's a tough business. Let me ask you one thing, Pat. There's only a few people that I'd put in this category of Ben Shapiro, meaning you you're the the owner-operator founder. You're also the main talent. I think you're in that category, obviously. I think someone like Dave Portnoy is in that category. You know, the Tuckers of the world, the Candaces of the world are quickly finding out it's hard to be the owner-operator talent. We'll see what happens. But here's my biggest thing. If you listen to the voices that, you know, choose your enemies wisely, he's made Candace an enemy. He's made Tucker an enemy. To an extent, he's made Megyn Kelly what happened. But look at what his enemies are saying. Tucker is calling Trump the Antichrist,

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  and then forget he said that. Candace is telling people in the military, just unlist from the Army, a dishonorable discharge. Don't die for Israel. Okay, that's at the very least un-American. You have Nick Fuentes, who's basically saying, go vote Democrat. And I'll ask you this initial question. What has changed from the perspective, not the business model, the perspective from what you're hearing from the Daily Wire? Because I would argue nothing's changed. They're doubling down on what they've always done. Do you think they should change? Or should they stay the way they are personality-wise and content-wise? I'm not saying business perspective. Or do they stick to their morals and their values and say, no, this is what we stand

• 1:25:19Speaker 03

  for. We're not gonna, we're not gonna listen to you trash Turning Point USA or Erica Kirk.

• 1:25:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, let me tell you this, though. Let me tell you how this works. One day, I'm in Atlanta, and I'm talking to this other guy, and the company has pinned us against each other. I'll give you the dates. It's probably like, you know, October of 2008.

• 1:25:41Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is not a guy I trust. Shady guy. He got promoted and demoted three times. But I got along with everybody, including this guy. But I knew who he was, and he knew who I was. Both of us knew we're players. This guy ended up making $10 million a year, very, very good at what he does, but not my kind of guy. It's the kind of guy that looks at you, says stuff, and then behind your back says stuff. And when I sold the company, he came here, tried to get me to help him out. I'm like, listen, I don't play these big shot bullshit games, never responding back to his texts, nothing, because to my face, he would compliment behind my back. He would go out there and try to destroy.

• 1:26:13Speaker 03

  Fake friend.

• 1:26:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't do that kind of stuff at all. And by the way, I wish him nothing but the best. He knows who he is. They're gonna share this video with him, and he'll see it. He knows exactly what my position is. The moment you did that one thing, you lose me permanently. I don't play games. But I'm gonna tell you what happened. When we were at this event, he says, "My style is, you know, I destroy you and then we become friends." And then when I'm bigger than you, then we become friends. The hell's up? So he said this to me, and it's like, "Hey, we should start doing..." Get that to your face. Yeah. But he's talking about other people, but I get what he's saying. He says, "We should do events together." I'm like, "I'll never do events with you." But the reason why I didn't want to do events with him is because I knew he would brainwash and confuse others and divide. I don't play those games. I understand deception very quickly when people try to play games.

• 1:26:58Patrick Bet-David?

  It's very obvious, very effective. I've read all the power books, Forty Laws of Power, Art of War, Thirty-Three Strategies of War, The Rings. You read any of these stuff on manipulation and, and power? I read them because I knew what... By the way, I gave... One of our guys in the company was using Forty Laws of Power against our guys. You know what? I made the book of the month the next month. I had everybody in the company read Forty Laws of Power, so nobody could do it. Flip the script. I said, "Everybody read Forty Laws of Power." So nobody can manipulate against you. But you know what happened? Here's the challenge, Adam.

• 1:27:28Patrick Bet-David?

  If we come up

• 1:27:31Patrick Bet-David?

  and I, behind closed doors, I'm constantly trying to destroy your career in media, and you're an eighteen-year-old kid, nineteen-year-old kid, and I'm telling everybody how bad you are, that may work on ninety-nine percent of eighteen, nineteen-year-old kids. They can destroy your career. And then comes the one guy.

• 1:27:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And a one guy you don't F with. So if you came up in any business, including media, and behind closed doors, you made the phone calls because you got access to those guys to destroy their careers? I'm not with that either. So I'm not saying that's what they did. I haven't been around the game long enough to know what everybody did. I do know this is a very nasty, nasty game, and I would size everybody up when I would talk to them. We're new in this space. It's not like we've been in this space for a long time. And I don't even know if you understand what I just said right now. Some people did understand exactly what I just said right now. I'm reading between the lines here. If, if you came up and you intentionally used your power to destroy people's career, F you.

• 1:28:33Patrick Bet-David?

  If you did that, because if that's how you win, you deserve everything that's coming your way because that's how capitalism works. You can't do that. Sure. The way to compete is beat me, out message me. What did Biden's administration do? Hey, silence those YouTube channels. Of course. What did Fauci and those guys do on COVID? Hey, silence those guys. I remember there was a guy named Dr. Mike. I'm like, hey, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Three times he's agreed and then cancels. Why not? Next week he has Fauci on. Oh, you can because I'm going to talk to you about Fauci and who was telling you that we were getting strikes? So if you played those games, don't think it only happens on the liberal side. If conservatives do it, I'm not with that either. I'm with arguments. Like, I enjoyed watching Tucker's interview with New York Times. I don't agree with them. I've already called them out. I

• 1:29:18Patrick Bet-David?

  said what my position is, but I actually enjoyed the interview. Why? Because I'm watching the game, how it's being played, and I want to know people's position so we can adjust accordingly on what we're doing. So, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not part of the, as much as people are like, you know what, all the death threats I got for interviewing Bibi and Nick Fuentes? Who the hell had both of them on within 30 days? Nobody. I enjoyed both their conversation. I, I wish I had an hour and a half with Bibi. Why? Because last minute, you remember what happened last minute? We're on the other side of the building. Last minute, he wants to start earlier, got 30 minutes. I'm like, dude, I thought I had an hour. Do you remember this? When we had to come out and, I don't know, you were in the room as well. We started 15 minutes early. I was supposed to go, I'm like, that threw my calendar off and I couldn't really get into these. But the market doesn't

• 1:29:58Patrick Bet-David?

  know. This is not their fault. They're supposed to criticize. But if you came up and you used your card to do that, I don't play that game. I know. I, I don't play that game. I don't, and by the way, you and I could agree together politically, and I still don't play that game. I still don't play that game because, you know, my, my daughter's at, and I'm going to get to next stories. We got so many stories. I don't want to stay on the story for too long. Okay. I'm getting Brooklyn to get in the habit of, you know, What are the four things we do as a family? Read, respect, improve, love. Do we bully? No. Do we get bullied? No. Okay. What are the three things we pray for? Courage, wisdom, tolerance. You know, courage, wisdom, understanding. Great. You know, I, I, Brooklyn Ivy Bay David, Brooklyn Ivy. Well, one day, one day, BA, BA, great leader. I'm in that phase with her because she's four years old. I haven't had to do this because Senna's nine, about to be 10.

• 1:30:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So I'm shaping her. I'm like, I don't want to write. Let me just watch. No, go do your steps. And she has to do these steps, exercise every morning. And then she has to go write the letters. Oh, Daddy, please. I don't want to do it. Please. I'm like, baby, as cute as you are, you have to write it. You're not going to get nothing with Daddy. I love you so much. I don't want to write lead 10 times. Write lead 10 times. So she writes. I'm like, dude, that's great. Good. And we're going back and forth. But if the one thing in our family, we don't bully and we don't get bullied. And the market is filled with a lot of bullies and some of them that are covert bullies. You know what the covert bully is? You know what I'm talking about? Like the guy that's

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  Behind

• 1:31:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, oh. Heavenly Father.

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  Like China.

• 1:31:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And then you're doing this?

• 1:31:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You especially are the kinds I don't like.

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  Well.

• 1:31:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Because I like bullies like this. Okay? Like Trump's this kind of a bully. But there's some deceptive games bully. I don't, I don't do that. And, you know, we, we, we try not to touch a lot of different positions. Anyways, I'm going to move on because we'll be in this topic here for another 45 minutes. All right. So let's get into Spirit. Is it Spirit Airlines? Am I saying it correctly?

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:31:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Or Spirit Airlines, right? Spirit Airlines.

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  I know you fly Spirit all the time. That's why you were forgetting the name.

• 1:31:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What's funny is I have. I just haven't recently, but I have. So Spirit Airlines, story comes out and Tom, I'm coming to you first with this one. And Vinnie, please contact your folks because we need your analysis. So Spirit Airlines comes out with this story that they are shutting down. Wait a minute. What? Shutting down. How many jobs? 15,000. You're kidding me. No. Democrats come out, because of gas prices, Spirit is shutting down. This is all on Trump. And then all of a sudden, timeout. What did Elizabeth Warren and the DOJ prevent from happening? So here's Duffy, Secretary Duffy, who's doing a great job. And here's him delivering in his update on what happened with Spirit Airlines. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:32:40Speaker 05

  And Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg, along with the Biden DOJ, decided that they did not want that merger to take place. And at the time, the Biden and Buttigieg DOJ bragged and said, as they canceled the option for this merger, that this was a victory for US travelers who deserve lower prices and better choices. Now, many at the time said this was a disaster. This merger should have been allowed. And this today would indicate this is not better for travelers. This is not better for pricing. This is not better for competition. Actually, it's worse. We had an airline go down because the markets

• 1:33:21Speaker 05

  were trying to allow two airlines to merge, make them stronger, and offer more competition for the American consumer. Also, Elizabeth Warren at the time cheered the blocking of the merger, saying that Biden, this was a Biden win for flyers. So again, I think it's important that we always look with a keen eye when airlines want to merge. We care about pricing for consumers.

• 1:33:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right here. You can pause it right here on what happened. Duffy said, hey, if you work for Spirit, don't go to work. There's no, if you have a flight, don't go. It's not going to happen. If you're going to do this, don't do that. So they're going to throw all this stuff. And then Senator Warren is facing backlash over JetBlue merger block after Spirit shut down. Rob, do you have that one when they were going through the whole thing? This was March 7, 2023. Good work. Is this just Buttigieg or is it both of them? Both. Okay, go for it. That passengers have choices, that they have access to low fares, that they have access to competition. And socialist Elizabeth Warren said at the time, preventing a merger between JetBlue and Spirit, which would have kept us from being here today.

• 1:34:28Speaker 05

  It's a tweet that they're going to read.

• 1:34:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Said, I've warned for months, a JetBlue/Spirit merger would have led to fewer flights, higher fares. The irony is that that Really kind of socialist viewpoint got us one less airline and fewer jobs.

• 1:34:41Speaker 03

  Is that it? Yep. Okay, Tom, what do we know about this? Who screwed up? Whose fault is it?

• 1:34:45Tom Ellsworth?

  So if you've got two huge giants that want to put together, that's where the Federal Trade Commission says, "Hey, anti-monopoly behavior, monopolistic behavior, they don't want that to happen." But you've got JetBlue and Spirit, two smaller airlines. JetBlue, who classically, you know, they are who they are, we all know who they are, kind of a Southwest mid-tier. And then you've got Spirit that was providing, you know, ultra-low cost on certain routes. As a matter of fact, Spirit is very big here in Fort Lauderdale.

• 1:35:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, their headquarters is here in Dania, I believe.

• 1:35:20Tom Ellsworth?

  That's exactly right. I mean, they're huge. And so what happened was they said, "Oh, it'll lead to higher fares and fewer flights." They believed that JetBlue was merely gonna shut down Spirit. Well, they apparently don't understand the economics of airlines. That's not what's gonna happen. Market share of hubs is what matters in airlines, number one. And number two, you know, you do have levels. And what they did last year, Pat, it came true. Elizabeth Warren says, "We're gonna block this because it's gonna have..."

• 1:35:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Consumers have higher fares and fewer flights. You dumb bunny, that's exactly what you did.

• 1:36:03Speaker 03

  Oh, no! Yo! Whoa! I'm fired! Yo, yo, don't say that. Don't say shots fired.

• 1:36:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Mission accomplished, Pocahontas.

• 1:36:15Speaker 03

  Snap!

• 1:36:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Now you look back over it.

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  You bad bunny!

• 1:36:19Tom Ellsworth?

  People don't have, people don't have jobs.

• 1:36:22Speaker 03

  You got Tom riled up, everybody.

• 1:36:24Tom Ellsworth?

  People don't have jobs. Now, what happened? Spirit had issues, the way it was managed and forward. They ended up in a place... I think they had $9 billion of debt. I think that was the...

• 1:36:36Speaker 03

  Nine billion?

• 1:36:38Tom Ellsworth?

  No, JetBlue had 9 billion of debt. And so they were like, "How is JetBlue gonna do this?" But if this had been like America... American and United coming together to make a supercarrier, then you could say, wow, well, there go prices. And you'd probably be right. But you've got these, a regional and a discount airline, and the government got it wrong. They simply got it wrong. Because look at all the angle they were. Capitalism bad, merger for bigger bad, people bad. And you know what else? I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go out here, and I'm gonna say, maybe. Maybe if this been a pharmaceutical company, or a defense contractor, which keep merging, how many defense contractors we have left? Five super majors, Pat? Remember the chart

• 1:37:19Tom Ellsworth?

  that we talked about on this podcast two years ago, about all the defense contractors had merged together, and that created, you know, issues for the American taxpayer paying for things? This wouldn't have done that. This was, you're trying to keep, if I had been there, I would have said, look, we need to let Spirit and JetBlue get together. And I'll tell you why. Because we need to keep a mid-tier and a discount airline to be large enough to compete with American, to compete with, with the others. That's what I would have done. And they blew it. They missed the call.

• 1:37:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know what Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and the Democrats are begging and praying for and making phone calls behind closed doors?

• 1:37:59Tom Ellsworth?

  What? To let JetBlue, like to let something happen?

• 1:38:02Patrick Bet-David?

  To have the second airline go bankrupt. Because if the second airline goes bankrupt, they're right in imaging and PR. If it's only Sprint, Spirit, Republicans are right. But if a second goes through, Trump's gonna have to answer for that. And Duffy. And it's gonna come back to oil prices. It's the second one, Tom.

• 1:38:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:38:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So you better believe behind closed doors, Democrats are right now sitting there saying, who's another one that could go bankrupt? Hey, let's make their life or living hell, make them go bankrupt. Who's another one that can go bankrupt?

• 1:38:34Tom Ellsworth?

  JetBlue with nine billion in debt. There are some people that handicap it, that if you lined all the airlines up, that JetBlue is the next one that would be possible. But they are, you look at their financials, they appear to be a long way away from the cliff.

• 1:38:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Well, I'm just saying, they're celebrating that because, play that clip, Rob, if you can, from, yeah, they're celebrating that. Here's Merrick Garland on March of 2023, talking about Spirit Airlines. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:39:02Tom Ellsworth?

  The Department of Justice filed a civil antitrust lawsuit in the US District Court for the District of Massachusetts to stop the merger of JetBlue and Spirit Airlines. We are joined in that lawsuit by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the State of New York, and the District of Columbia. I'm here with Associate Attorney General Vanita Gupta and Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Doha Mekki. Our complaint alleges that JetBlue's proposed $3.8 billion acquisition of Spirit violates Section 7 of the Clayton Act. We allege that if allowed to proceed, this merger will limit choices and drive up ticket prices for passengers across the country.

• 1:39:43Tom Ellsworth?

  And we further allege that the impact of this merger will be particularly harmful for travelers who rely on what are known as ultra-low-cost carriers in order to fly. Those include working and middle-class Americans who travel for personal as opposed to business reasons and who must pay their own way.

• 1:40:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep going.

• 1:40:03Tom Ellsworth?

  By acquiring Spirit, JetBlue will eliminate the largest ultra-low-cost carrier in the United States.

• 1:40:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you just caused it, by the way. Pause it right there. So, meaning, whatever they try to prevent, this is over and over and over again, they do their policies and it miserably fails and capitalism wins, but they confuse. Okay, and look, oh my God, this is gas prices, they're gonna do that. Adam, what are your thoughts on this before we move on?

• 1:40:26Speaker 03

  Let them fail. You remember that, when Chamath said that about the airlines in 2020 when they did the bailout and because they were doing their stock buybacks? He said, "Let them fail." Because you said this, you taught me this, what are the four elements of capitalism?

• 1:40:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Freedom to buy, freedom to sell, freedom to try, freedom to fail.

• 1:40:43Speaker 03

  Freedom to fail. So here's what I know about Spirit Airlines, and I know it's been quite some times that you've flown Spirit. I fly Spirit if I have to. They're basically the Dollar General of airlines. And when you have a business model that you're the cheapest prices, you know, you're the, like, how do you raise prices? How do you increase your margins? You know, if Spirit Airlines had a mantra, it'd be like, "Low prices, bad experiences, we'll get you there, maybe." So I, listen, I remember the last time that I flew Spirit. I flew, you know, my friend Keith. You know, I have some rich friends, Vinnie. It's better to have really, really rich friends. Flew to Aspen with him on his private jet from Miami. He goes, come on, come with me to, to Aspen.

• 1:41:27Speaker 03

  I go, great. Fly with him. He goes, how are you getting back? I go, do I, do I get to take the jet back? Goes, no. I go, Spirit it is, homie. I flew back Spirit. Now, let me tell you, I'd rather fly private. Don't get me wrong. I know how much you guys like flying private to Aspen. I go, that's a great experience for you. But Spirit is low cost, bad experience, and there's always issues. So I don't know what happened here with Spirit. I'm not delving into the devil's in the details. Tom's got those details. But at some point, if your business model is built on razor thin margins, there's very little room for error. And when gas prices go up and travel goes down, you can't really raise the prices if you have the worst reputation. And I'll ask you this, Pat. You did a commercial for the FLBs. You said, we went to Tuscany, Italy.

• 1:42:12Speaker 03

  And you said, we had the choice, help me out here, Pat, to make it cheap, to make it quick, to make it fast. We chose none of those. We did it the right way.

• 1:42:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:42:20Speaker 03

  Spirit Airlines had to pick a path. You're the cheapest, you're the best customer service, you're either gonna get you there on time. They would do neither. They were the cheapest, they would never get you there on time, and they had horrible customer service. Let them fail. Let my people go.

• 1:42:35Tom Ellsworth?

  And I had the work, like, it was like when my father, God rest his soul, passed away. I came to the airport sad. I have a big vendetta with them. They charged me $50 because I had emotional baggage with my dad.

• 1:42:47Speaker 03

  Emotional, that's a joke.

• 1:42:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Pat's face went, they're like, you look like you're sad.

• 1:42:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:52Tom Ellsworth?

  That's $50. You're gonna put that on the air.

• 1:42:53Speaker 03

  What's funny?

• 1:42:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Pat's face went.

• 1:42:55Speaker 03

  Nobody caught that joke.

• 1:42:56Tom Ellsworth?

  They charged you $50?

• 1:42:58Speaker 03

  But this is what they would do. They will nickel and dime you for everything.

• 1:43:01Tom Ellsworth?

  So, words talk, numbers scream, and we'll get off the story, Pat. But Spirit Airlines has 1.4% market share. Oh my gosh, giant in the closet, right? JetBlue has 3.4%, that's 4.8. So if they had merged, they would have had 4.8 market share. Alaska is next at 5.8, and then United at 17. So this would have created a low-cost plus regional player that's still smaller than Alaska, and four times smaller than United, and six times smaller than market leader American and Delta, who both have about 20. But more importantly-

• 1:43:40Patrick Bet-David?

  What does this have to do with the giant and the closet? Like, what were they doing?

• 1:43:44Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, I'm making a joke. I mean, it's like, they were not some giant that was-

• 1:43:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I got it. I was confused. So, but by the way, what you're saying is right. And by the way, look, I think we have to give the highlight real, Rob. We can't do this. We have to give respect to Spirit. Because if you're somebody that likes entertainment, you have to give it up to what happens at Spirit. Watch this. Go ahead.

• 1:44:06Tom Ellsworth?

  We got the Spirit!

• 1:44:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me hear the audio. This is Spirit Airlines. Oh, look at the punches. Give me the kick. Kick, punch. What airline does it better?

• 1:44:15Tom Ellsworth?

  This is where you can go recruit that, uh...

• 1:44:19Patrick Bet-David?

  There's another one with employees fighting. I haven't seen this one, but I want to see the employees fighting. Go up on, Rob. It was right above you. That one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Watch it. Go back a little bit. Those employees.

• 1:44:30Speaker 07

  Robbie can't get up. I mean, I'm dropping your ass.

• 1:44:33Patrick Bet-David?

  That's Spirit Airlines.

• 1:44:35Speaker 07

  Fuck out of here, you dirty bitch. Yes, you are.

• 1:44:38Speaker 03

  She got an eight head. Look at that eight head right there.

• 1:44:40Speaker 07

  You ain't Robbie, that's-

• 1:44:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what?

• 1:44:42Speaker 07

  Fuck out of here. Go suck a dick.

• 1:44:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, my gosh!

• 1:44:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it. Rob, you didn't tell me she was gonna say that.

• 1:44:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Wait a minute.

• 1:44:49Patrick Bet-David?

  First, Tom says giant closet, and then now she says- Does she actually swing at her? Okay, all right, let's get to the next story.

• 1:44:55Tom Ellsworth?

  But more importantly, Tom, how is your emotional baggage right now?

• 1:44:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's get to the next story. Next story I want to get into, next story I want to get into is, there's a couple of them. I'd like to get to them, hopefully. So, the next one I want to get to is, um, wealth tax. Okay, let's go to the wealth tax, because there's something nobody is talking about with the wealth tax that you have to be thinking about, okay? Seattle AI startup founder says he's leaving over new millionaire tax that's out there. Rob, if you got the clip here, go for it. Does it get right into it, Rob, or? Go ahead. You could manifest that. That was the culture here. We had a vibrant startup community. We had a very supportive startup community and the ecosystem worked.

• 1:45:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It helped build the companies. And then for whatever reason, sort of over the last four or five years, we've seen this shift where entrepreneurship is now villainized. And it's it's an unfortunate and sad shift. It's probably the least friendly place to do business I can imagine. I'm Jesse Proudman, founder and CTO at venus.ai. We don't want to be out of Washington state. We love it here, right? Like, we want to stay, but they're forcing the hands of many people based on how they're changing the climate. You've got moderates in the middle and conservatives on the right and liberals on the left. And over time, that liberal perspective has gone farther and farther left. And the blame for

• 1:46:25Patrick Bet-David?

  the problems in the city has become focused on sort of lack of funding and the reality is. You can pause it right there. Okay, so let me just give you some numbers here. So, Tom, core rule, 7% tax on long-term capital gains is the current law. Okay, it's what they have. Applies to people with $700,000 plus per year in gains. The 7% on gains up to a million. The higher tier is 9.9% on gains above $1 million, Vinnie, 9.9%. And then they're proposing this, it's going to be expected to begin around 2028 is what the date is. Then the new thing they're proposing is the 1% annual tax on financial

• 1:47:05Patrick Bet-David?

  assets, okay, which is stocks, bonds, ETFs, mutual funds, applies to the ultra wealthy over $100 million, every year, 1%, the tax that you pay on it. So, Tom, why is this so important for people to think about? And what is the blind spot that they're not looking at?

• 1:47:22Tom Ellsworth?

  What people, when they say tax the rich, soon as you hear the word tax, always say in your head, everybody ultimately. Whenever you hear a politician talk about taxes, everybody ultimately. And what's in Washington, this opened and they had an official in Washington say, beginning with the millionaires, because that's an easier place to sell it. It's obviously the intent is to tax. Everybody, quote unquote. So, and why are we so surprised? And we've seen people on social media that took to the fine print of the California tax. We covered it on this podcast a week ago. We showed you the, the areas that were being called out by many people that were there. And so now you've got a guy leaving Washington.

• 1:48:04Tom Ellsworth?

  He likes Washington. He's got family that are in Washington. He's got employees that are in Washington and he's saying, listen, this has become more and more toxic environment here. And now we're looking at other things. We're looking at Nevada. We're looking at Austin. Wow, what a surprise. And it's, you know what? These decisions have consequences. But what also tells you is we're in the middle of a wave and the wave that is coming is socialism driven by Marxism and it's, it's an attack on assets and it's seizure of assets. These are not taxes. These are seizing assets that have already been taxed that were used to build. Vinny, you and I get together, we took some of our money in a savings account.

• 1:48:47Tom Ellsworth?

  It's already been taxed. My money's been taxed. It's in my savings account. Your money, you'd pay taxes on, you put it in savings account. We took that and started a business. And then we go up and now they're saying, wow, your business is successful. Yeah, when we sell it, we're going to pay taxes fair and square and the profits we make, we pay taxes fair and square. Yeah, but it's not fair that you're rich. What do you mean I'm rich? I don't have, this money is now built a business. That business is worth millions of dollars. Well, you better go get some loans or go figure out how to give us a percent of it. They want you to pay that. That business hasn't even been sold. It just represents value. And so this is asset seizure, Pat. This is asset seizure on a socialist Marxist way. And you're seeing people such as a small startup like this, looking at it and going, oh my gosh, it's not just the billionaires, it's everybody.

• 1:49:32Patrick Bet-David?

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• 1:52:00Speaker 03

  Stupid, stupid, stupid. These people just do not learn from what social event happens. You remember when Europe tried this and France and Sweden and they kicked out all their capitalists and entrepreneurs and they go, "Oh, my God, we lost all our revenue generation." And they quickly reversed course. You cannot tax your way to prosperity because what rich people have are assets. Cars, planes, boats, and you know what they're gonna do with them? They're gonna get the hell out of town. This whole concept that we're villainizing and demonizing entrepreneurs, business owners, capitalists, where do we think this is gonna end up? We already have a progressive tax in the country that already, the richest people already pay the most taxes. Now you wanna tax them more? At some point, you know, there's the whole concept with Ben, Ben, Brendan, they're gonna

• 1:52:45Speaker 03

  break, they're just gonna leave. I'll give you one quick story. I remember there was a nightlife club in Miami. I know you're gonna be shocked that I'm bringing up nightlife in Miami.

• 1:52:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, here we go.

• 1:52:53Speaker 03

  And the owner goes, "You know what? I'm sick of doing the bottle service and catering to like the richest people. I wanna make this bar about everybody. And we're gonna give $5 well drinks and we're basically not gonna be doing bottle service anymore. And basically, we're just gonna cater to the everyman." You know what happened? All the rich ballers, the people that are popping bottles, the people that got money, the people that are buying bottles in the club with the sparklers, they go, "Yeah, we're just gonna go to a different club that's more fun, that likes us, that appreciates our money. We're dropping $5,000, $10,000. You wanna bring the riffraffs in." One year later, the club is ghetto, it's basically shut down, it's on its last leg. And I remember thinking, "This is what happens.

• 1:53:38Speaker 03

  We don't value the customers because they will go someplace else." And there's other clubs or states in this analogy that they're gonna go to, like Florida, like Texas, like Nevada, and they're gonna get out of these big, blue, dumb cities.

• 1:53:51Patrick Bet-David?

  This is, Vinny, this is the biggest thing why this is a bad idea. This idea could have worked in the 70s. Not today, and here's why. Do you know in the 70s, when you think about S and P 500, whose our money was tied to S and P 500? Okay, so the people who ran these companies in the 70s, what percentage of it do you think was physical assets? Okay, Tom knows the answer to this question. Of all the companies that you owned, physical that you have a hard time leaving. So, real estate or physical assets, what percentage was tied to physical assets? Tom, what do you think it was?

• 1:54:28Tom Ellsworth?

  In the 70s?

• 1:54:29Patrick Bet-David?

  In the 70s.

• 1:54:30Tom Ellsworth?

  It was in excess of 80%.

• 1:54:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly.

• 1:54:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Oil companies, auto companies, factories and...

• 1:54:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You can't leave.

• 1:54:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Steel.

• 1:54:37Patrick Bet-David?

  You cannot leave. It's like, I can't leave. Do you know what the number is today? Do you know what the number is today? 10%. Wow.

• 1:54:44Speaker 03

  And where is it?

• 1:54:45Patrick Bet-David?

  It's 10 to 15% today. Meaning just real estate or hard assets? So, no, it's all non-tangible assets. So, it means it's all digital. I can move anywhere. Yeah. So, what? You don't want me? No problem, I'll move. The days of me being like, come on, please, because it's real estate. Because it's all... No, I'm at it. Can you verify this, Rob, to see what percentage of? So, this is the one thing everybody is missing. There's only one thing there is left for them to do. Only one thing left for them to do, and they haven't done it yet. And they're going to. This is my prediction, they're gonna go into this because their accountants are gonna sit there and, and... Okay, right there, look at that. Go a little bit lower, Rob. Go a little bit lower, right there. Look at that, 1975, 83% was tangible assets, 17% is intangible.

• 1:55:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at it today. 10%, 8% is tangible. You can't do shit today. Wow. Go ahead, tax me. Go, make me leave. What are you gonna send me? Do you understand what this means? 1,000%. I'll take my wealth to Florida. And it's happening. Of course, Sergey Brin's like, I'm gonna take my wealth anywhere. You can push you... So, you know how scary even this is? I can take my wealth to any country. That's bad. If I wanted to leave, right? Because it's what? It is intangible versus tangible. So, what is the only thing they have left that they're gonna do? That they can do, that they're gonna eventually end up doing? You know what's the only thing, Tom? It's the only thing is the exit tax. And they're not fully there yet. No state in America fully has an exit tax. Rob, can you, can you check this?

• 1:56:14Patrick Bet-David?

  What states in America have a full-on exit tax?

• 1:56:17Tom Ellsworth?

  California, kind of.

• 1:56:18Speaker 03

  Kind of. And New York was trying, New York said he's trying, right?

• 1:56:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Those are the two states that they're trying to do.

• 1:56:22Speaker 03

  It's like a clawback tax?

• 1:56:23Patrick Bet-David?

  It is. It's kinda like what Canada has. Like when you leave, no state currently has an exit tax. So you know what these idiots are gonna learn? They're gonna say, let me get this straight. As of 2026, the state is considering a billion dollars, or whatever, 5% of the billion dollars. You see what that says, right? Additionally, a proposed wealth tax could apply to residents with a net worth of 30 million plus with a potential liability of what? Up to 10 years. They're gonna realize, in an era where only 8% of the wealth is tied to tangible, 92% is tied to intangible, they're gonna say the only thing we can do now is an exit tax. You leave, 5% exit tax.

• 1:56:55Speaker 03

  Walk me through the, this is mind blowing. Because, just follow the money here, 90% of assets in the 70s were tangible.

• 1:57:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to work for politicians. Politicians owned you in the 70s. They don't today because of technology.

• 1:57:09Speaker 03

  So what would an exit tax essentially do and how they would recruit those?

• 1:57:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's what an exit tax will, and I'm telling you, I'm giving them the playbook, but I'm telling you, they're gonna come to your city and it's gonna be on the ballot. Cause you know what they're gonna say? I don't even know why they did this. They just have to go, you know, in a movie, a hangover says, you never go full, not a hangover. It's a, a, a, a.

• 1:57:28Speaker 03

  It's Tropic Thunder, Pat, under.

• 1:57:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So they're gonna go full exit tax.

• 1:57:32Speaker 03

  Never go full exit tax.

• 1:57:33Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're going to.

• 1:57:34Speaker 03

  Never go full wealth tax.

• 1:57:35Patrick Bet-David?

  And you know what happens when they do full exit tax? Here's what happens. Hey, you wore 250? If you really wanna get a communistic idea, or socialistic idea, you add a 5% exit tax, for anybody that's worth over a billion dollars, it will go through in every blue state. They'll do this in New York, they'll do this in California, they'll do this in Illinois, they'll do this in all these states like Washington, thinking, oh, we got them. We got them, you morons. 8% is tangible. I'm leaving. To all the socialist communists, that are thinking they're gonna get these guys. They're gonna get their asses handed to them. And, and I think the one that's gonna break the back, the camel's back,

• 1:58:20Patrick Bet-David?

  this is bad, but it's gonna be the 5% exit tax that they do. Once they do that, it's not gonna be, I don't think anybody's gonna leave. Oh, really? Okay, I dare you Newsom. I dare you Hochul. Go ahead and put an exit tax, see what happens to your state. I dare to everybody that's trying to put this billionaire tax.

• 1:58:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That stays there. These people are going to leave. But what they're gonna wanna do long term, you'll see in the next five, 10, 15 years, just like right now, ruling came out, Rob, can you pull this up? They're talking about, "We need to raise the minimum wage from 7.25 to $25 an hour." It just went to Congress. This just went to Congress, Rob, if I'm not mistaken, am I saying it correctly or no? Yeah. Is this the story? Yes, sir. Go ahead, Rob, 30 seconds, watch this, folks.

• 1:59:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Legislation being introduced in Congress to raise the federal minimum wage for the first time since the year 2009. The bill looks to raise the minimum wage to $25 an hour from the current 7.25. The bill would work in steps for large employees to pay that rate by 2031.

• 1:59:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so check this out. So, so check this out. Who do you think doesn't care about this bill? Amazon. Who do you think doesn't care about this bill? Walmart. Who else? Apple, Nvidia, I don't know, name them. IBM, keep going. They don't care about this bill. You know who does? Marion John's Liquor Store, that's been in the family for 58 years and totally don't. Okay? In Hope, Arkansas. How the hell is somebody that's running a smaller market in Hope, Arkansas, gonna afford to pay all their employees $25 an hour? How? That's $50,000 a year salary. These are the dumb ideas that they come up with, thinking they're helping the average person, and all they're doing is helping the big business out.

• 2:00:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Because a big business owner can't afford it. You ever wonder, we used to have 14,000 banks in America, give or take. You know what we got right now? 4,000. One by one by one, they're getting picked up. We used to have 50-something, you know, military contractors, outside of just Boeing, General Dynamics, we had 50-something plus. What do we got right now? Five to seven? Nationalize the hell out of it. We had all these places that we used to go to. Pharmaceutical. Now, buy them out, buy them out. How dumb regulation like this? So, I predict they're going to come out with exit tax, and that'll be the way to control them. Because what they truly wanna do to these billionaires is, "If you leave, you owe us the money. Without us, you would have never made this money." That's coming to a blue state near you.

• 2:00:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But this intangible tangible part that no one thinks about changes the game. It's not gonna work cuz anybody can move today. It's not a big deal for for people to move in 2026. It's not like for people to move in 1976.

• 2:01:04Speaker 03

  Of course, especially if you have digital, you have crypto.

• 2:01:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Move.

• 2:01:07Speaker 03

  Unrelated assets. About this minimum wage thing. This really pisses me off because if you do it state by state, which is basically how this works. Every state has their minimum wage. You go federal. Do you know what this is gonna do to the average red state out there? Look about Alabama, look at Mississippi, look at Tennessee where they're paying the kid making pizza. The kid scooping ice cream 10 bucks, 12 bucks, 15 bucks. Now you're gonna universally condemn everybody and say everyone in America has to pay the prices cuz you big blue cities can't get it together. So you know what's gonna happen is it's almost like they don't even know the next move. Uh, your, your, your Happy Meal is a 29.95. Piece of pizza, $38 for a pizza pie sushi, $99.

• 2:01:51Speaker 03

  Everything is gonna go up. Supply and demand here. You raise the prices, you raise the cost of labor, then people are gonna end up paying.

• 2:01:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly.

• 2:02:00Speaker 03

  It's so stupid.

• 2:02:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna give a quick shout. We rarely do this and we should do it more often. WhyFrost13 has been a member with us for 47 months. He says tacos and pupusas will be 9.95. Three tacos for $30. He's right.

• 2:02:12Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:02:13Patrick Bet-David?

  That's where it's going.

• 2:02:13Speaker 03

  I don't know what pupusas are, but sign me up.

• 2:02:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, the pupusas are great. If you had pupusa, you, you, you had a smile on your face.

• 2:02:19Speaker 03

  Or Salvadorian, I don't know.

• 2:02:20Patrick Bet-David?

  While we're going through this, do you wanna go through another horrible idea? You know how they say the donkey of the week? We're gonna do the worst idea of the week.

• 2:02:27Speaker 03

  Donkey of the week.

• 2:02:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch what happened with Norway. Rob, pull up this story. It's on, folks. Blood pressure.

• 2:02:34Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 2:02:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Control it.

• 2:02:35Speaker 03

  No, here I go.

• 2:02:36Patrick Bet-David?

  None of any, I'm telling you, your blood pressure is about to go up.

• 2:02:38Speaker 03

  I didn't see that.

• 2:02:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So take some, take some, what do you call it?

• 2:02:41Speaker 03

  Ivermectin.

• 2:02:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever. Blood pressure medicine. It fixes everything. Watch this. Watch this here, folks. Brace for impact. You're about to get very, very upset and annoyed by this. So Syrian gets just six months in jail for raping a three-year-old Norwegian girl, thirteen-year-old Norwegian girl after court cites his low IQ.

• 2:03:04Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:03:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you? Okay, so let me break this down for you. Never go full R. Rape is now legal in Norway if you're from a low IQ country. A Syrian migrant who raped a thirteen-year-old girl in a bike shed gets just six months in prison because the court decided that this low IQ and reduced understanding of reality made him no more developed than his victim. Did you just understand this idea that they have in Norway?

• 2:03:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So this guy, whose name is Abdel Monem, Abe de la Razak Al Josef, rolled into...

• 2:03:38Speaker 03

  He's got all those names?

• 2:03:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Rolled into Norway from Syria, met the girl in Trosmo city center last September, assaulted her on a park bench, then dragged her to a scheduled bike shed near the harbor terminal and raped her like an animal. He lied, denied even meeting her until his semen was found and matched. Then he admitted meeting her, but claimed no sex. The court bought enough evidence, bought enough of his excuses to let him walk after a year behind bars, thanks to a new law that scrapped the old three-year minimum for rape. This is the compassion, looks like in Europe now, importing predators,

• 2:04:22Patrick Bet-David?

  and then crying about their low IQ while little girls get destroyed. Okay? Get destroyed. This is from a guy named Joey Monarino, who tweeted this, and you can read the story here as well. While I'm reading this tweet, I'm texting Humberto Ramones. Is this true? Is this really true? Yes. That's the whole thing. Mon assessment estimated that his IQ is at forty-one, although a later report put it in a range of sixty-four to seventy-five. Benny, your thoughts on this?

• 2:04:45Speaker 03

  I don't even have any words to say that this is exactly the playbook that this every... Body like every freaking place in Europe is doing the same stupid mentality and they're bowing down because they let all these people come in Pat. What was the Pakistani rape gangs? You know why they didn't go after them? You know why that they said publicly, we cannot go after them because we're going to look like we are racist. So forget about all the young girls that are freaking lives are destroyed because you don't want to look or be perceived as racist. You're not going after this and then you have this. Well, because he's stupid, he's stupid, you can go rape. God bless you. And then what's next? Murder? Oh, I don't know. Then I'm stupid,

• 2:05:30Speaker 03

  that I can't kill people. And it's ridiculous, Pat. This whole mentality that's stupid.

• 2:05:35Patrick Bet-David?

  What is that, Rob? Is that where he?

• 2:05:37Speaker 05

  This is the Norwegian reporting of the same article. I just translated it to English, but it's the same thing.

• 2:05:43Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm, I'm, my mind is boggled that the citizens of this place are doing more to rise up. This would be, God forbid, it would never happen. If this type of stuff was allowed here, Pat, Americans, patriots would go freaking nuts.

• 2:06:01Patrick Bet-David?

  This would never happen in Poland or US.

• 2:06:03Speaker 03

  No, absolutely. I agree. Oh, Poland, forget about it. But it's ridiculous because I guarantee you the majority of these people aren't armed, they can't do nothing and that they sit there and let their freaking children get raped, raped and let go because the guy's an idiot.

• 2:06:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom.

• 2:06:16Speaker 03

  Unbelievable.

• 2:06:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, we know who values human life and who doesn't. And Marxist socialist and people say, ah, you know, Norway's not Marxist. Yeah. Socialist and liberal apologists do not value human life. Period. Period. Period. The innocent young girl is not valued, is not protected. This is the case for chemical castration. This is the case for institutionalization. Because unfortunately, wherever this guy came from, and I say unfortunately and tragically, whatever happened to him is his life, whatever it was, inbreeding, you know, a head injury, we don't know. Whatever it's led to him being this way, he's unf-

• 2:07:03Tom Ellsworth?

  fit to be part of society. So you have to chemically castrate them and put them in an institution. There's no other choice. And you have to take care of him in there in a place where he can't hurt others. And hurt others is what they don't care about. They don't care about that. Because it's fashionable. It's fashionable to take all the conservatives that want the foundational things. And what is that? Law and order, family, you know, a stable society, all of that. All of those people are wealthy. All of those people are bad. It's all of the Marxist thing is we have to overthrow it. And as long as their mindset is socialist overthrow, Marxist overthrow, then this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is just basics.

• 2:07:49Tom Ellsworth?

  And let me tell you something. If you're not paying attention and you're at the American ballot box and you don't see the kind of things are happening. And you don't think that courts are doing this right now. And you don't think that there's a lack of persecution in places like Dearborn, Michigan. You're not paying attention. If you're not paying attention to individualized laws that they want to give Sharia law inside the boundary of a small city that they're trying to create as a zone in Texas, then you're not paying attention. You're simply not paying attention.

• 2:08:19Speaker 03

  Norway? No way. This is the definition of suicidal empathy, and this is a horrible precedent. So let me get this straight. Because someone's stupid, you're just willing to give them a pass? This is the definition of the soft bigotry of low expectations? This is, you know, so you got Forrest Albubacher Gump out here, just out there, hide your wife, hide your kids. Cause he's out there graping everybody and you're giving him six months for a Syrian refugee in Norway? Who raped a 13 year old? Six months in jail? Let me tell you the dangerous precedent this sends. Cause if you're just basically gonna not throw stupid ass people in jail. Jail, talk about low IQ, low IQ individuals, talk about inbreeding and cousin marriages. Here's the fear, this guy's from Syria.

• 2:09:04Speaker 03

  What do all these countries have in common? Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan. As much as 30 to 60% of their population marries their cousin. What happens when you have inbreeding and marrying your cousin? Oh, you might have a couple missing chromosomes. Oh, you might not know what's going on. Oh, you might be stupid. And now you're gonna be so stupid in Norway, they're gonna be like, oh, he doesn't know any better. Let Amubakor Basarata Wata just go out there and rape people? Yeah, that's his name. This is what's going on here in Norway? No way. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very curious and I want to know, like, give me, Pat, please give me the mindset

• 2:09:44Speaker 03

  of the people that are like, the, the courts and all these people that are, that would even fathom saying, okay, he's stupid, reduce his sentence and let him leave. Meaning the, everybody in Europe. And, and remember in Hamburg, that rape gang? A bunch of guys kept coming to the park to rape this girl. None of the, but in court, you know who got the most time in, in, in jail? A girl that found him online and called him a rapist pig. She did more time for calling him out? I don't know, I want to know Pat's opinion. They don't know any better. How are you letting that happen? Respect their culture.

• 2:10:19Patrick Bet-David?

  A part of what you're saying, Vinny, is the reason why we do what we do on a daily basis. I can't say how many people walk up and they say, hey, just want you to know. And especially right now, more than ever before, people walking up and saying, hey, I just want to say thank you. Cause, and by the way, they're international, they're all over the world. I just want to say thank you for what you guys are talking about. Because some of these countries don't have a voice and they can't talk about it, but they still have YouTube open in these countries. This is exactly why we do what we do. Why, why media and messaging matters. Cause to you, it's common sense. Two billions of families is common sense. But to some of the people that are political people that are super tolerant and, you know, hey, it's, it's, we, we gotta have sympathy for these guys.

• 2:11:04Patrick Bet-David?

  We gotta, we gotta, you know, you don't know what it is to be dumb, Vinny. If you were dumb, you know, we, we can't judge you for behavior like that because your IQ is low. They're gonna do this stuff and they're gonna hurt so many people not knowing it. And messaging and media matters for this exact reason. Let me do a couple other stories and then we'll wrap up. By the way, the two stories we'll do, they're good stories, I'm gonna get into here in a minute. FYI, do you know how many people have already taken a survey? Do you know how many people have already taken a survey? 1100 people. Huh? 1100. 1100 people. We are right now, no, no, no. No, no, it's at 2,700 people. Stop it. Yes. Holy moly. 2,700 people have already taken a survey and it's probably, it's probably at 3,000 already and I'm behind on the Guys, we appreciate you. Thank you for doing that.

• 2:11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  The fact that you're doing the survey, each gets $25 gift card and again, we're gonna possibly contact the people that give thorough analysis, thorough feedback and analysis instead of just doing the simple surveys that you do. You completed, we're giving you 25 bucks, but we want people, $25 gift card to VTmerch.com, go pick up whatever you want to do from there. You just dropped 60 grand on these guys. No, it's 60 grand. You're talking about 2,700 times 25, yeah, $60,000. Well, by tomorrow, it's probably gonna be $200,000, $300,000. Yeah, of course. Let me get this survey going right now. No, we, we want surveys. Fire at them. Yeah, I got it. We want feedback from people to see what we can do to get better. I didn't realize that you're giving everybody $25 gift cards? Everybody that completes the survey gets a $25 gift card.

• 2:12:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Pat, did you expect 2,000, 2,500 people to sign? I, I said to Humberto this morning, I gave the number, I said it's either gonna be a low number or it's gonna be a very, very high number. You're gonna end up paying $100,000 to our people. Feedback's worth it. It's coming out of your paycheck. Anyway. Okay. Feedback is worth it. And so, we're going the other way. The federal government's going to 25, we're going to 375 an hour. Okay, effective next month. Reverse wealth tax, entrance tax. Yeah, but we're gonna put camps and different places you can sleep here, so we'll save on rent. Perfect. All right, let's get to this. So again, thank you for everybody that's doing this, it means a lot and we appreciate the feedback. And we can't wait to go through it, seeing the reasonable answers. I'm sure there's gonna be some that are having fun with it, but we want reasonable answers and argument on why.

• 2:13:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Cuba, Trump, they extend the sanctions, not making it easier, okay? Rubio's apparently gonna be leading this case with Cuba, which makes sense. Rob, what page is that on there? Page 10? Trump teases US will be taking over Cuba almost immediately. Is this it, Rob? Yes, sir. Go for it.

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• 2:16:02Tom Ellsworth?

  An architect who's really talented, has done a lot of work for him. He's got a flair, a beautiful Hispanic flair in particular. And he comes from originally a place called Cuba, which we will be taking over almost immediately.

• 2:16:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Now Cuba's Cuba's got problems. We'll finish one first. I like to finish a job. On the way back from what we'll do, on the way back from Iran, we'll have one of our big, maybe the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier, the biggest in the world, we'll have that come in, stop about 100 yards offshore.

• 2:16:41Speaker 07

  Do the weave.

• 2:16:42Tom Ellsworth?

  And they'll say, "Thank you very much, we give up."

• 2:16:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, you're loving this. Why?

• 2:16:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, because you know what? I'll tell you, I've, I went to high school down here, last two years of high school. People know, I was in Boca Raton, then I went back to LA, California where I was born. And what was interesting is at that time, I remember meeting people that were from Cuba. And these were fellow classmates, and they told me about their parents and grandparents, and they told me about Castro, and they told me about, also, about the Marial boat lift, of which was lightly featured and reflected on at the beginning of the movie Scarface, where all people came here. And these people have lived in Cuba, that have been stuck there, unable to leave.

• 2:17:36Tom Ellsworth?

  It's been horrible. And I've been looking forward to a day where Cuba would have freedom. So people that were here that I spoke to, that said, "I wish I could go there to see an aunt, I wish I could go there to see an uncle," and you probably have lots of friends like this, Adam, down in Miami, says, "I wish we could go back there." "Well, my grandma can't get out, but everybody's there, it's not great, but she doesn't really want to, you know, leave." And what I see and hear, it's time to, you know, turn the page on Castro's Cuba, and see if we can give, you know... Freedom and trade and tourism, you know, to between Cuba and the United States. And I, I hope it happens. Now, do I want it to happen at the barrel of a gun? No.

• 2:18:18Tom Ellsworth?

  But, you know, does it need to happen with maybe impending, some impending threat like says, "Hey, I think it's time you got your act together and we'd like to do this." You know, I like it. Would I like to see Cuba similar to Puerto Rico where people could come and go and we would provide some protection to it? Sure, I would. You know, do I want it to see be suddenly a sinkhole of US dollar and, and, um, and foreign aid that just goes into a hole? No, I don't want to see that. But I think it's, it sits there 90 miles. You can go to the end of Key West, at the southernmost point in America, there's this big concrete, um, uh, like a buoy that stands there. It's like this monument. And then it says, "Southernmost Point."

• 2:19:01Tom Ellsworth?

  And right at the bottom of it, it says on one side, it says, "90 miles to Cuba." There it is. There it is. And standing down there, people take pictures of this, Pat, whenever they're down there. 90 miles to Cuba. So 90 miles from freedom, people have been down there. And I, I'd like to see it happen. And I'd like to see it happen in a methodical way that gives opportunity to these people and they could develop. Because $40 a gallon embargoed gas that you only pay for if you desperately need it right now, i- is not a way to go. And I, I think it's time that we said, "Enough. You know, we're going to help you and we're going to bring these people." So many families, so many citizens are here in Miami. I, I like to see it happen, but I want it to be methodical and I want them to have opportunity.

• 2:19:45Speaker 03

  Adam.

• 2:19:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, I love Cuban, I love the Cubans people. I, I call myself Juven because I grew up in Miami and I'm Jewish and basically speak Spanish. Shout out to me, Hente, in Miami and in Cuba. Cuba's on its last leg and I would love to see Trump finish the job. And I think Marco Rubio is going to be the guy that basically puts a nail in the coffin. Look, you know, I take my Ubers every single day.

• 2:20:06Speaker 03

  You know.

• 2:20:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Every day, it's either a Cuban driver or a Venezuelan driver. And I ask them the same thing. It's the same question. And I joke with them. I go, "Hey, Fidel." Communism, bueno? And the guy driving looks back and goes, no, muy malo. I go, no, perfecto. Comunista, solo socialismo es muy bueno. He, hey, hey, no, it's no good. It's no good. And I'm joking with him like, no, socialism's good. Fidel is good. One guy goes, hey, you gotta get out of my car. I go, I'm sorry, sir. You know, I have my American flag. And then he got out and he took a crap on the freeway. That's the other guy. And I give my, I give my American flag pin. Not one, and I kid you not, not one Cuban I know. And I know thousands in Miami.

• 2:20:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Not one goes, oh, bro, we love what Fidel Castro has done to Cuba. Not one. Every single person wants America to finish the job. Cuba deserves better. Rob, I don't know if we have 10 seconds. I went to Cuba for Keith's bachelor party. This is second Keith shout out today. When I talk about a city crumbling, this is the downtown center of the city. Look at these buildings. There's a couple of other pictures here. They're living in the 50s. Every single car that they have is a 1950's Thunderbird. Or I don't know, Robbie, but anything you got. So we can either do this with a carrot or with the stick. Here's the, unfortunately, we might have to do, that's me with my driver and my bodyguard in the back. Every car looks like this.

• 2:21:37Tom Ellsworth?

  So if you, if you're like, if you enjoy history and you want to see what it's like in the 1950s, go to Cuba. This is their downtown capital under construction. The whole place is falling apart. They deserve better. Let's get, no, that's something different. Let's get a little capitalism and less socialism in Cuba.

• 2:21:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Well.

• 2:21:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Libertad Cuba.

• 2:21:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, it's great. Lot of things cooking. If the president gets a lot of these deals done post World Cup, it's going to be a very difficult time for all his haters. If he gets a lot of these things done, post World Cup, it's gonna be a very, very annoying season for all the people who hate him from the left, right, or the center. They're gonna be hating life for all the people that says, if he gets it done. The key word is what?

• 2:22:27Speaker 03

  If.

• 2:22:28Patrick Bet-David?

  If. That's a heavy word, Vinny.

• 2:22:29Speaker 03

  We'll see.

• 2:22:30Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a we'll see. That's right, Tom. That's a heavy word.

• 2:22:32Speaker 03

  Cuba's more like a Venezuela. It's not gonna be like Iran.

• 2:22:34Patrick Bet-David?

  But listen.

• 2:22:35Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 2:22:36Patrick Bet-David?

  We will be going to Cuba soon. I'm telling you right now, we'll be, we're definitely going to Poland. Okay, a lot of people are gonna be saying, Pat, I'm telling you, if you, no, I'm, when I announce I'm going to Poland, I cannot tell you how many people messaged me saying, there's no way you can go to Poland without inviting the audience. So we may do something.

• 2:22:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:22:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And go with a crew. Like, we may announce something for some of you guys that are, stay close to us. But anyways, all, all the people that went out there and did the surveys, and you filled out, again, go to, what is it, Rob? Survey.vt.com?

• 2:23:06Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 2:23:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Survey.vt.com. We just crossed, I think, 3,000 of the people that are doing this. Fantastic. I can't wait to personally go through all this stuff myself with the team, and see the results. We've always been about outwork, out-improve, out-strategize, outlast. This is our out-improve. We wanna find a way to improve ourselves, and we, we know we have blind spots. We know we have a lot of areas to get better on, but we can't wait to hear the feedback from you guys. Having said that, special story, Vaiktim and Comedy, a special podcast, is about to go live. If it isn't already live.

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• 2:23:42Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and that is Laura Trump on, Laura Trump on Hot Cakes and Hot Takes.

• 2:23:50Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 2:23:50Patrick Bet-David?

  With Vinny.

• 2:23:51Speaker 03

  Look at the veins on my neck. Vinny, how close are you to a million?

• 2:23:53Patrick Bet-David?

  9,000 away.

• 2:23:54Speaker 03

  I wanna thank. Come on, guys. Help out Vinny and his birthday. We are at 991,809 subs. This is a very, very good conversation. They had six Secret Service come in, Pat. They patted everybody. They did a strip search for me, and they literally laughed for 20 minutes. What's crazy is your YouTube channel, GDP, is the equivalent to that of Cuba right now. Yes. So keep up the good work. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Oh, yeah, it's going live right after.

• 2:24:17Patrick Bet-David?

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