Clavicular Reveals the Dark Side of His Viral Lifestyle | PBD Podcast #880

Viral looksmaxxing influencer Clavicular joins ’90s model Antonio Sabàto Jr. and Patrick Bet-David for a debate on beauty, genetics, dating, and masculinity. Clavicular breaks down his routines, addresses the risks of his approach to self-improvement, and rates celebrities as two generations challenge each other’s views. ——— SHOP & CONNECT 👞 NEW Billionaire Suede Loafer https://bit.ly/4ym5oRA 👕 Shop the Icon Collection https://bit.ly/3TuUU3x 👞 Get the FLB1s https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 Ⓜ️ Connect on Minnect https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD Podcast Circles https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 Bet-David Consulting https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 Boardroom Cigar Lounge https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 Kalshi http://kalshi.com/pbd ——— SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE @VALUETAINMENT @BetDavidConsulting @vtgenz @ValuetainmentComedy ——— ABOUT US Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media and the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster). A father of two boys and two girls, he resides in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I was extremely subhuman.

• 0:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Are these pictures online? Everybody sees the social media, Clav, but who is really Clav?

• 0:05Speaker 00

  Who is really Clav? Well.

• 0:07Speaker 02

  It was this case that was caught on video.

• 0:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You've seen Clav, you've seen the stuff that he's all over the place. How do you process that for young men?

• 0:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're not actually hitting yourself with a hammer, huh?

• 0:16Speaker 04

  Influencer Clavicular suffered an overdose.

• 0:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you comfortable sharing how many girls you've been with at this age?

• 0:21Speaker 00

  Well, here's what I'll tell you.

• 0:23Speaker 04

  Influencer Clavicular to cut a deal with prosecutors.

• 0:26Speaker 02

  It was this case that was caught on video.

• 0:29Speaker 03

  You have contracts with these girls? I mean, like, you're going to jail tomorrow.

• 0:32Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll start off with men and then we'll go to women. I want you to score them from zero to 10. Pamela Anderson. Elvis. In your mind, you're thinking you're not the best guy in that room?

• 0:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you just say PSL God?

• 0:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 0:49Patrick Bet-David?

  What does PSL God mean? Oh, buddy, that's gonna be tough. Who's the most beautiful woman in your life? Is there one for you?

• 0:55Speaker 00

  You go up to a girl and tell her that you just [BLEEP] in your pants.

• 0:58Patrick Bet-David?

  The idea of having sex is not that valuable to a man, or maybe to you. So if right now we went through your Instagram, how many DMs would you have of girls messaging you?

• 1:06Speaker 00

  Um, this early in the morning?

• 1:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Because some of the stuff we've seen, the hammer, you know, hitting your jaw to make sure your jaw gets more chiseled. Walk through some of the advice you're given.

• 1:16Speaker 00

  So that's something that is kind of just like a...

• 1:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Braden Peters, AKA Clavicular. If you're a teen in your twenties, you've seen him all over the place. He just whispered to me that he started really going live about a year ago, October of 2025. And he's blown up in 12 months. He's everywhere. And then also, I said, you know, maybe to bring someone that makes sense, we gotta bring somebody from the 90s that, to see how much things have changed with looks. We decided to bring a friend of ours, Antonio Sabato Jr. I think he's one of the only guys that had a 90-foot picture in, what do you call it? Square? Times Square when he was with Calvin Klein. At the time, where was you, Mark Wahlberg, a lot of you guys doing your commercials?

• 2:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And then, you know, People Magazine named you 50th most beautiful men, people in the world. I think you were even on the cover of Out Magazine, which maybe there's a little bit of pride Yep. to be on the Out Magazine, because the audience for Out Magazine is mainly a lot of gay men who subscribe to that magazine. This guy was so handsome that, you know, everybody wanted to be with him. Left, right, center, straight, gay, didn't matter. So both of them, a figurehead when it comes on to looks. And we're gonna try to find out how much of this matters. We're gonna talk if your looks helps you with your career, making money, not just women. But appreciate both of you guys for making the time to come down here.

• 2:42Speaker 00

  Thanks for having us.

• 2:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So who is Clav? What do people not know about you? Everybody sees the social media, Clav, but who is really Clav?

• 2:49Speaker 00

  Who is really Clav? Well, I'm kind of someone that is a very objective and observant person. So kind of what was happening to me is I started off with just traditional, normie, you know, fitness-related stuff, because my parents had, you know, been doing some gym stuff. My mom competed in some bodybuilding shows in her day. So I had a home gym in my house, so I was messing around with weights. And I just started to do research into, you know, how to optimize my training, basic weightlifting stuff. And then, as I got further into lifting, I started reading different forums like bodybuilding.com. And a lot of people were talking about, like, roiting.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  And I kind of found tests to be like, why would I be working out and putting in all these effort, this effort? If there's a tool I can use to make my results so much more efficient? It almost felt silly to me to not go this route. And that kind of led me down this rabbit hole of, you know, all these different things, like on the Misk forums, that led me to, you know, reemphasizing my focus more towards the face than the physique. But it was still a very formative experience to have the bodybuilding stuff.

• 4:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Makes sense. And by the way, just out of curiosity, was there like a compliment? Was there something that you said? You know, because in bodybuilding, they'll say, girl looked at my biceps and she grabbed it. She says, wow, your biceps are so big, so they started training more, right? Or fighting, a lot of times, a guy learned how to fight because he was bullied. Was there a moment that you said, I really like this feeling of getting a compliment?

• 4:25Speaker 00

  No, no, no, I had not really been getting, been getting compliments or anything like that. It was more so just, there was a home gym in my house, there were some dumbbells, and I just kind of started getting into it. And it became something that was quite enjoyable, as lifting is to many people, for the first few years, where it just becomes a part of your routine. And you don't really ask yourself any questions. It's just kind of, oh, I'm going to the gym. And it just, once it's in your habit, and once it's part of your routine, because I'm a very routine-oriented person, like, I eat the exact same thing for breakfast every morning, pretty much the same food every day. And if I'm in a good routine, things are great. But once I fall out of habit, it's disastrous.

• 5:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So very disciplined, very routine-based. Why the name Clav? How did that come about?

• 5:14Speaker 00

  So this was back to the bodybuilding roots, is you would also see people who are working out all the time, having these perfectly optimized fitness regimens. And then you would see people as well, who are completely untrained, and they would somehow have a wider frame, right? Without doing any lateral raises, any of this shit, like spamming, you know, the side raises every single day. And what that's attributed to is something called their clavicle bones, right? And this forms their biachromial width. So someone with a really wide biachromial width, which is their shoulder joint to their shoulder joint, will always be capable of achieving a much wider bideloid than someone who works out every single day for their whole life.

• 5:58Speaker 00

  And this is kind of like, was like a black pill, which is like genetic determinism, that kind of was like inspiring and led me more to understand about, you know, genetics and development. And that kind of translated into like caring about the same things for the facial bones, which are a lot more important.

• 6:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's kind of how the name came about?

• 6:20Speaker 00

  Correct, yeah. So it was an acknowledgement to the importance of the frame.

• 6:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, how can somebody do anything about their own Clav? What if they, you know, is there anything you can do?

• 6:29Speaker 00

  That's the pill, that's why it's brutal, is because you can't. You know, there's clavicular widening surgeries, where I've seen people get like two inches added to their clavicles, but it's really not that effective or really not that accessible to many people. So it's really not worth acknowledging. But yeah, no, so that's why it's like, that's why it has the name.

• 6:50Patrick Bet-David?

  How much, how much time have you put into studying looks, all of this? Because the way you described the face, there's no way somebody can give the breakdown the way you have given it, without having put a lot of time studying it.

• 7:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, this was all throughout the years of high school.

• 7:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so you were interested in this in high school?

• 7:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What face got, what person got you turned on to it?

• 7:14Speaker 00

  It wasn't really a face. It was kind of just like a transition from traditional bodybuilding. And what sort of happened to me is I actually fell down the wrong rabbit hole with that, is where I was going to the gym and following this fitness advice that actually descended me and made me look worse. And because everyone's looking for an answer in life, whether it be spirituality was something I explored for a little bit too, whether it be weightlifting, because, you know, a lot of young men in today's generation are lost and don't have generation. So I go into bodybuilding, I'm like, okay, I want to make gains. So I put myself into a caloric surplus and I do what's called a bulk. You know, where bodybuilders eat a shit ton of food, they get really big and puffy. But that actually made me look worse. And I actually, you know, descended quite substantially.

• 7:59Speaker 00

  That was like, that era of the picture with the bad skin and the horrible act, that was kind of like during the bulk era.

• 8:07Speaker 00

  So I was like, okay, so this really isn't my answer, so what is? And then I saw people saying, spamming all these different black pill memes, like, you know, there's no gym for your face. Or like, they would put a picture of like a supermodel who had no physique whatsoever next to like a gym cell, was what it was called. Put like, gym cell versus Chad. So this was like a brutal, like brutal pill for gym selling. It's like, you could work out and achieve this like insane physique that the guy on the right has, but you're just gonna get outshined to such a degree by this guy.

• 8:40Patrick Bet-David?

  On the left?

• 8:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, who's a PSL God facially, but regardless.

• 8:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you, would you just say PSL God?

• 8:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:47Patrick Bet-David?

  What does PSL God mean?

• 8:48Speaker 00

  It's just kind of like a term that we use on like the PSL forums to talk about like the different, you know, top models and stuff.

• 8:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What does PSL stand for?

• 8:59Speaker 00

  It's just like the three forums that people would post on. They don't exist anymore. It's now it's on looksmax.org, but yeah, so that's kind of where it comes from. Yeah, so those would be like all like the top mod. It's just like dialogue, like people will talk, make memes all the time, like, if you're not Oprah, like it's over, like just Ladar, stuff like that.

• 9:21Patrick Bet-David?

  If you, if you have, you have a method of immersing yourself in studying a topic, right?

• 9:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:27Patrick Bet-David?

  If this wasn't your topic that you got obsessed about, and you put that same energy into something else, what would that be? Is there anything else that draws you to it?

• 9:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I, for a long time, was extremely interested in history. So that was something that I kind of dedicated a lot of my time to. But that was like, that's not really productive in any way. So I dedicated a lot of time towards that. I had an era where I was studying theology for quite a bit. But I just kind of fully immersed myself in all this, because there's so many different avenues to explore with in-looks-maxing, to get to the level of expertise that I'm at now, where I can go on multiple podcasts a week and I could talk for eight hours in a row, and it's all original content, because there's just so much to dive into. There's all the different social dynamics and all, you know, the different, you know, stuff you could talk about there with dating.

• 10:19Speaker 00

  There's fitness, there's grooming, there's plastic surgery. Just all these different categories have to be fully understood, you know?

• 10:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I asked the question earlier for you. So you said something, the guys are texting you saying, I think Clav once said, he would rather keep his hair than not be able to have sex ever again.

• 10:39Speaker 00

  True.

• 10:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You believe that?

• 10:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, because if I didn't have my hair, I'd be sexless.

• 10:44Patrick Bet-David?

  If you didn't have your hair, you'd be sexless? And what do you call all these bald guys that are having?

• 10:50Speaker 00

  Bald cells.

• 10:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You call it bald cells?

• 10:53Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:54Patrick Bet-David?

  What does that mean?

• 10:55Speaker 00

  Well, they're celibate, they're bald.

• 10:58Speaker 00

  They're not having sex.

• 10:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think The Rock is having sex?

• 11:02Speaker 00

  Um, just be The Rock, bro.

• 11:05Speaker 00

  Just be six foot two, you know, 260 pounds of lean muscle. Uh, and you know, a multi, multimillionaire, famous actor. So like, I don't really think it's even worth acknowledging like that because that's literally such a rare, um, you know, deviation from the norm.

• 11:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, there is, there is studies done of how much women like bald men. You don't think?

• 11:27Speaker 00

  Cop, which ones?

• 11:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? You, you don't think?

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Which, which studies exist? There's no study that's?

• 11:31Patrick Bet-David?

  There, so you don't think women like bald men at all?

• 11:35Speaker 00

  No, no, no bald. So having hair is a youth indicator, not only that, uh, health indicator. I would use perplexity AI for this.

• 11:47Speaker 00

  And, um, I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to them liking bald men. Maybe they like dimorphic, uh, males, but so they, I think you might be referring to studies on dimorphism more or less, which is like overall.

• 11:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me more, unpack it for me. What, what's the difference?

• 12:02Speaker 00

  Dimorphism is, uh, being either more masculine or more feminine. So it's a spectrum.

• 12:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 12:08Speaker 00

  Male to female.

• 12:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 12:09Speaker 00

  Um, so it's ideal to be dimorphic and masculine, but you want those, uh, you know, that dimorphism to come from stuff like a wide and tall jaw, like we were talking about with Tom Brady.

• 12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  Not necessarily being bald. That's like, puts you more into the ogre spectrum. And being at the farthest end of the dimorphism spectrum.

• 12:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 12:27Speaker 00

  Actually isn't ideal. So it's, it's so good to be somewhere in the middle.

• 12:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so.

• 12:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So, um, bald, so you think the, the goal, is this specifically just you? Or you think the goal, the, the idea of having sex is not that valuable to a man? Or maybe to you?

• 12:47Speaker 00

  No, it is, but simply what I'm saying is I would, I, I value, um, sex. I think pretty much everyone does. It's one of the biggest parts of life. That's why it's, uh, this is so controversial, all the stuff we're talking about. But, um, I'm simply saying I wouldn't want, you know, the brutality that is being, um, you know, sub average male, being bald, you know? Cause my hair, I think is a huge halo. So I think just losing the quality of life and losing the halo effect that I get from my hair wouldn't be worth the trade off.

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• 15:40Patrick Bet-David?

  The halo effect wouldn't be the trade up, wouldn't be worth the trade off.

• 15:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:45Patrick Bet-David?

  With the hair, what do you put above hair?

• 15:48Speaker 00

  Oh, I put face above hair.

• 15:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So face is above hair. What do you put above face?

• 15:52Speaker 00

  Well, it, once again, it just comes down to like, we have to kind of scale these things out a little bit. So, um, you know, like what, what type of face are we talking about? It's like, if we're talking about a, a Chad level face, it's eight out of 10. Um, yeah, maybe the, the person could get away without having hair, like someone like Jeremy Meeks, for example, doesn't have hair, but still is a Chad and looks good. But, um, you know, someone who's a seven out of 10 and has hair will probably still mock him.

• 16:21Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the guy that got arrested or something happened to him?

• 16:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He went, he went viral like 10 years ago, five years ago.

• 16:27Speaker 00

  And women nailed him out of jail. And now he, he landed a, a modeling contract.

• 16:32Speaker 00

  From literally doing something that's, uh, obviously a negative. He got, you know, a lot of positive reinforcement from that. So that's the halo effect. But if you're ugly and you go to jail, it's, uh, perceivably negative. It hurts you on job applications to be a felon. But since this guy was so good looking, it actually wound up helping him.

• 16:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think should be a goal in a young man's life?

• 16:56Speaker 00

  A goal should be to, to find a direction and really max out any metric that you can to be as well-rounded of a person as possible. You know, to, to slowly be working on, uh, a plan to build wealth, a plan to be, uh, more charismatic and interesting. Um, some, some type of strategy to, uh, to looks max and build your physique. So I think those formative years, that's what it's for. You know, cause if you do all those things, you could kind of go any direction in life, whether you want to be a politician or whether you want to be, um, you know, a, a journalist or someone who does, uh, radio and TV. Uh, being better looking will, will benefit you in, in every single one of these paths.

• 17:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Purely on looks?

• 17:41Speaker 00

  Correct, yeah.

• 17:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. What, what do, uh, what do your parents think of what you're doing right now? When you speak to them, what are they telling you? I see you everywhere, son.

• 17:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of hard because, uh, it's unavoidable, right? And every single person sees it, uh, also their close friends. And I do a lot of stuff that is probably not a great look on them sometimes. So it's hard, but I mean, they think it's a, a positive thing. Obviously I'm quite successful from what I do. So it's impossible to hate about that. Uh, and, and they were immediate, they found out quite early into my career that I was doing social media, but it was already monetized to the point where I didn't have to work a job anymore. So they were just like, okay, it is what it is. They kind of will tell me sometimes, hey, don't do this, don't do this. But it's overall positive.

• 18:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one of these maxing things that's out there, you think is the most dangerous one to not flirt with? You see the height maxing, you see a guy from Nigeria went to get a penis enlargement. I think he ended up dying, something happened to him. What is the one that, in, in your opinion, based on your studies?

• 18:44Speaker 00

  Self surgeries, I would say. Self surgeries are probably one of the, uh, most brutal things that you could do. Like I see people all the time.

• 18:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Self surgery?

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Self performing, uh, like brutal surgeries. And I'm not talking about stuff like, you know, doing like a fat dissolver that's got no risk of vascular occlusion, um, or something like that, or like, you, you know, like a very simple procedure, but I've seen people even try to self-install like, um, dental appliances, like an MSC. And I've seen people try to cut what's called their medial canthis and, um, with a knife down to give themselves like hunter eyes and stuff.

• 19:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Seriously?

• 19:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it's all this, like, I, I saw a guy self-performed gynecomastia removal. So all that kind of stuff is extremely dangerous, uh, and I don't think should be recommended.

• 19:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So, and, and it's called self-surgery?

• 19:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, self-surgery. Self-surgery is just performing like plastic surgery on yourself.

• 19:42Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what else would you put as a risk? Any of the other ones? Say you go to a doctor, is there anything that's, uh, too risky to even touch? Like even you wouldn't touch it?

• 19:50Speaker 00

  Hmm. Well, there's a lot of stuff with pharmaceuticals. I don't really think that anyone should be using pharmaceuticals, like TRT without the direct supervision and approval of a doctor. It's the biggest thing. Cause what'll happen if you, if you just decide, hey, fuck it, I'm just gonna start taking testosterone and go on TRT. And you don't understand how to prevent hair loss and all the different side effects that occur. Uh, maybe you, you go bald and you actually end up worse off that being on TRT than not. You know what I mean? So you need that doctor's supervision, um, and that careful care.

• 20:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Anything you've seen on height maxing? See guys getting their, whatever they're doing to add additional six inches?

• 20:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, the, so the risk of that is there's certain clinics overseas especially that you could have one of the screws, you could get an infection from. So it needs to be removed. You need to be on three month antibiotic course while you're hospitalized. You're in a hospital bed, you can't move. You do the antibiotics and then they re-screw, um, you know, the osteogenesis device. So it's quite brutal. So I'd say that's, that's a little bit less risky to do things that are, uh, under the care of someone with medical licenses, even though the surgeries look quite invasive and quite brutal. The mortality rates are, are quite low. The, the risk of infections are quite low. And even if you get an infection, it's, it sucks and it prolongs the recovery process,

• 21:14Speaker 00

  but you're not gonna die. But once again, I'm not gonna, I don't really like to recommend, so surgery, in my opinion, is, this is how I define it, from a looks max, a true looks maxing context, is how it's always talked about. It's meant to fix facial phalos, not create halos, right? So if you've got a nose that's like, super, super over-projected, your dorsal hump is just comical, and it just like detracts from your face, and it's truly like a huge, you know, block in your sexual and dating life, is it worth getting a rhinoplasty? I think it's fair to say, yes. You know, that's a very low, you know, cost surgery,

• 21:58Speaker 00

  it's not very invasive, there's not a lot of risk to it. And I don't really think it's fair for someone who is extremely good-looking genetically, to hate on that person for taking that route. Because you've never had to deal with celibacy and loneliness, so I think that's fair to say. But what I don't think is right to advise for is, someone like Ronaldo, who's got maybe a few millimeters of mandibular recession, to get a double jaw surgery. I think that, you know, that's probably not advisable, because it gets to a spectrum where, you know, the risk to reward is just, and the ROI is no longer ideal. So it's like a math equation.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  I would say that, you know, always do things with careful research and the supervision of medical professionals, because this stuff that I talk about can be quite risky if done ineffectively, you know, so I just want, I want everyone to be safe and be healthy.

• 22:55Patrick Bet-David?

  You've seen Clav, you've seen the stuff that he's all over the place. When you see how much looks mattered, back in the 90s, when you were coming up, and, you know, you getting all the eyeballs yourself, versus what it is today, what Clav is doing, how do you process that for young men?

• 23:09Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, I gotta give this kid credit for what he's doing. It's amazing, the clout and the amount of attention he's been able to get at 20 years old, it's incredible, especially with the technology. So good for you, man. And I think he's a very smart kid, that knows his priorities straight, and he's not afraid to speak it, just like myself. I think the times have changed dramatically, you know, in my time, you didn't have social media, you had to go to an audition, you had to get hired based on meeting that person one-on-one with the team. It took a while, and so if you made it, you were competing with a lot of people in a different way. All you had is media, was TV. We didn't have computers, cellphones, and texting, and all the amazing stuff that you guys have right now, and that I'm using, that you're using, everybody's using. So, it's a different world,

• 23:53Speaker 03

  you know, but for him to adapt, because right now, listen, he's talking about fitness, he's talking about being healthy, that's, those are good things to have. America used to be the greatest country in the world as far as fitness. We had kids going to high school training, doing push-ups. Now, this country's the fattest country in the world. So it's not like, he's going like, "Oh, I'm better than you." I'm like, "I want you to get better for you." I'm 20 years old, he's making millions of dollars every year, by the fact that he's training, he's staying healthy, he's explaining to people what, you know, about peptides, I'm sure, and all the stuff he's doing. So, those are good things to have.

• 24:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Anthony, let me ask you, even back then, you know, some people look at your pictures, and they say, you know, extremely good-looking guy, were you putting anything in your body in your 20s?

• 24:37Speaker 03

  No, never.

• 24:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Anything?

• 24:39Speaker 03

  I started doing TRT with my friends at Asandra, Dr. Asandra in Beverly Hills, I love you, man, a few years ago. Because, I'm 54, and I wanna keep training and racing cars.

• 24:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Up until then, you weren't doing anything in your?

• 24:50Speaker 03

  No, never took, never took any peptides, never took, never took any steroids of any kind. I've done other drugs that I'm, you know, I'm not happy about. I went to rehab, and those are pills and sleeping stuff. But as far as steroids, never have, never have. Train my-

• 25:04Patrick Bet-David?

  How about, how about surgeries?

• 25:06Speaker 03

  Never had any surgeries.

• 25:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing on your face?

• 25:09Speaker 03

  No, just Botox, once in a while, probably Botox once a year, whatever, but, or every two years, you know, I'm pretty good. But, and I take care of myself, I eat healthy, I train seven days a week my entire life. I competed, I've done things that most people my age will never do. I'm racing professionally right now, I boxed last year. So I always do that, but I have to give credit to, you know, peptides, I'm not, I don't wanna take them, because, you know, I don't believe in them, for me, for my body. But I give him credit for explaining and working for him, you know, but, yeah, I just started recently, never did.

• 25:43Patrick Bet-David?

  For, for the audience that maybe doesn't know you, because remember, it's an older audience maybe here, so maybe, share a little bit about your background on how you came about where you are today?

• 25:54Speaker 00

  So I sort of came to an early realization in life, that looks were the metric that really drive, you know, a good quality of life, or a terrible one, in a quite brutal reality, especially when it comes to dating, right? So, it just kinda made sense to me to try to optimize this as much as possible, even if it seemed, you know, too involved, even if it seemed like you're obsessed with looks-maxing. I don't necessarily consider that a bad thing, you know, because of how, because of how important this metric is, right? So, we have a lot of dating app statistic that's been published, that shows like, really, really brutal stuff, that like, 80% of the profiles don't even get acknowledged. So,

• 26:37Speaker 00

  I don't know if you guys are familiar with something called hypergamy?

• 26:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  I don't know if you talk about this in your show at all, but with the nature of hypergamy today, you really have to compete at such a high level, and you have to maximize every single metric, even outside of looks, that this just is a level of competition we've never seen before. And it's funny, the thing that you're saying about Instagram, and how it's, it's something that didn't exist, that was actually beneficial to people, that Instagram didn't exist, because they weren't gonna be competing on a global level with, you know, people like yourself. They were only really competing with that small, you know, 20-mile, local radius of other guys, not international, you know, models and soccer players. We saw like, the one thing with the, the one soccer player who

• 27:26Speaker 00

  DM'd the guy's fiance of five years, and ended that relationship. So that's kind of like a new thing, and only seen with this generation. So I'm kind of like, you know, the answer to this, this problem is the advice I'm giving.

• 27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So, and what is the advice you're given? Maybe walk us through, because some of the stuff we've seen, the hammer, you know, hitting your jaw to make sure your jaw gets more chiseled, walk through some of the advice you're given.

• 27:50Speaker 00

  So that's something that is kind of just like a headliner, that everyone loves to grab, because it's just like-

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're not actually hitting yourself with a hammer, are you?

• 27:58Speaker 00

  I don't bone smash anymore.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  I mean, I box, I don't like to get hit, but-

• 28:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't bone smash anymore?

• 28:02Speaker 00

  I haven't bone smashed.

• 28:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So you used to bone smash?

• 28:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, correct.

• 28:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you ever bone smash, or no?

• 28:07Speaker 03

  No, I wanna smash someone, in case I have to smash him.

• 28:10Patrick Bet-David?

  But you yourself, with your jaw, you never-

• 28:12Speaker 03

  No, I don't wanna smash.

• 28:13Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, was that even a thing on bone smashing, or no? Was it-

• 28:16Speaker 03

  I never heard this bone smashing.

• 28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, because I wanna hear about it, I wanna hear about it.

• 28:20Speaker 00

  So bone smashing is something I've talked about, very, very briefly, but because of like, you know, how insane and new it is, that's what sort of gets all the attention. When, if you actually listen to me in a long-form setting, a long-form context, it's really not what I talk about at all. I talk about quite similar stuff, I'm sure you do, about just traditional fitness, and caloric restriction, and all that kinda stuff. So it is quite frustrating to me that that sort of like overtakes a lot of my good advice, because it's just so outrageous.

• 28:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But walk me through your philosophy. So if you're, you're talking about maxing, like, what do you think the average guy, because you did make a very good point, back in the days, if there's no Instagram, you're dating somebody that's super hot, in your local community, you don't have to worry about 80 people DMing them, and taking your girl away from you. Today, if she's hot, you better believe the bigger guys are gonna come and find her and snatch her away from you. So that didn't exist back in the days. So, a lot of times in local communities, a guy that's an average-looking guy could be dating a hottest-looking girl in town, but you're not gonna be able to do that too much today. So, what advice would you give to young men today?

• 29:29Speaker 00

  So, I'll give a little bit of, a little bit more context to the equation here. So there was, you know, a lot of red pill stuff that was going around the internet, a lot of like, pickup artistry, and people talking about game, you would see all these videos, like, Yad the Great, where they're teaching like, all of these really, really unattractive guys how to cold-approach women. And you would kind of see, that the one thing that was missing from the nuance provided, was that different looks levels were gonna perform much differently, even if the exact same thing was said. So there's no magic opening line, or no magic, you know, posture that you have to maintain while you're talking to a girl. Really, the results are gonna be mainly driven by your looks level. And

• 30:13Speaker 00

  that was just something that was never stated, up until quite recently on a mainstream level.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  Right. What about confidence? What, I mean, there could be a lot of guys who are not the guy that you're talking about, but they're confident in themselves. You bring a lot of confidence into other people, like, because you know, there's genetics, right? People are genetically, you know, for whatever family or whatever, but you could always bring that genetics to a different level, to the best level, and also bring that positivity into their lives, and going, you know what, if you're confident with your life, if you can create jobs around you, like, you can make money, you can, you know, do you believe in that as well?

• 30:46Speaker 00

  No, you're absolutely right, and that's why it all comes back to like Instagram and hypergamy, because even if you looks-max, even if you apply all this stuff, and you're not confident, someone else, you know, somewhere in the world will also have done the same, but they'll have great confidence, they'll be extremely charismatic. So, it is quite unfortunate, that you have to compete at this high level, where literally everything matters. So, it would be ridiculous and ignorant for me to say that being confident-

• 31:10Speaker 03

  You know, he brings like, a good point right now, that I just realized. In my time, our leaders, or at least people that we looked up to, for me, were Steve McQueen, Paul Newman, my father, James Gardner, Marlon Brando. Who do we have now, that is leading in these movies, where looking great on camera, where coming out going, you know what, I am a leader here in this film, and bringing up positivity? We have just a few. We had guys that were racers, boxers, you know, Charles Bronson.

• 31:39Patrick Bet-David?

  But who would you say today is a man's man?

• 31:41Speaker 03

  Me, I'm the only one left, man. There's not many, man. Who actually lives their life-

• 31:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You have big names that are man's man today?

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Well, Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise is still doing it, you know, he's, Tom Cruise is still doing it.

• 31:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Tom Cruise is one of them.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  I think Brad Pitt is still doing it.

• 31:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  And a few others, maybe.

• 31:59Speaker 00

  But what does that mean?

• 32:00Speaker 03

  That are still living their life of being a top, but also maintaining their fitness- The stars that they are and their persona, how when I saw Steve McQueen or I saw my father walk in the room, you know, there was a star there. There was somebody I want to look up to. I want to be like. If you watch Steve McQueen, these guys, I don't know if you've ever watched these movies, but these guys portray life in a whole different. If you watch Bullet with Steve McQueen right now, you want to drive in that Mustang right now. As soon as you, you know, they brought that class, the class, the T-shirts, the this, the that, they look great.

• 32:33Patrick Bet-David?

  What's different today?

• 32:34Speaker 03

  Right now, it's like, whatever.

• 32:36Speaker 00

  So, yeah, we, we actually have a, we have a different way of phrasing this now. It's sort of someone called a mogger, someone who mogs. And what this comes from is, is a mog. It's alpha male of the group. So usually the person who just stands out the most, usually they're, you know, the tallest, have the best frame, the best face. So if you were to take like a group photo, they just, your eyes are drawn to them immediately because they have the best looks package. So that would be someone who mogs. It's kind of what you guys are describing, it seems like.

• 33:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I guess maybe let me ask you, who do you think is today's man's man? Like, if you were to say that is an example of a man, who would you say at twenty years old?

• 33:17Speaker 03

  Who do you look up to?

• 33:18Speaker 00

  Who do I look up to?

• 33:19Speaker 03

  In the entertainment world, like if somebody's there.

• 33:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Just period. Who do you look up to in any space?

• 33:23Speaker 00

  Am I correct in, in like, you're asking me who mogs?

• 33:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, if you, if, if the definition of alpha male amongst.

• 33:31Speaker 00

  More like, like a mogger in today's context, more like just someone who, who looks good.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, who looks good for you, like who you look, but in the entertainment world, who you like, oh, man, that guy.

• 33:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But I don't think I'm asking that question. Let me ask the question, Antonio. What I'm asking is, who do you think today is a man's man who is winning in all aspects of life, not just looks? Or does that even matter to you? Do you even quantify that?

• 33:56Speaker 00

  That doesn't really matter because a lot of the times, like the overly like red pill, like man's man, like stuff, you know, smoking cigarettes and like doing all the, drinking beer, like this is so manly. It's actually like really cope, in my opinion.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Not that kind of man. Talking about the man that takes care of his family, takes care of his loved one, takes care of his friends, looks good everywhere, gets up in the morning at four, four, four o'clock every morning and works hard for his family, who looks fitting and, and hangry and hungry for life, that guy. And everything he does.

• 34:26Speaker 00

  Just a traditional gentleman.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, that guy.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  Hmm, well.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  James Bond, you know what I mean? That guy.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, someone like that. Well, I don't know, maybe

• 34:38Speaker 00

  my dad, I mean, my dad works every day.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 00

  My mom doesn't have to work.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:42Speaker 00

  Um, paid for, you know, private education for me and my sister, so.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  I guess all you could say.

• 34:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Your, your pops, your dad?

• 34:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I love that.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  I love that too.

• 34:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you say a little bit more about your dad?

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, so my dad, um, started his own company back in, uh, around two thousand. Um, and I was born two thousand and five, so shortly after that. And I have a, a younger sister who's, you know, five years younger than me as well. And my dad has, I, I don't know how much I should talk about. I don't want people to, you know, kind of like go in and mess with his company and stuff, but, um, yeah, he does some like IT consulting stuff, so, um, works very hard.

• 35:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So independently successful?

• 35:28Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 35:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And what did you see in him to say, when I grow up, I want to be like him? In what areas?

• 35:34Speaker 00

  Well, it was kind of just the thing about, uh, there was like no trust fund set up, nothing like that. And I was kind of raised in, in quite a similar way. I mean, I wasn't really getting, uh, any money from my parents. I got my first job when I was about eleven years old, uh, working for a scooter rental company. So, um, I was walking around town, picking up these Lime scooters, bringing them to my house and charging them, getting up at six AM every morning and bringing them outside. So, uh, the way that you were raised and, you know, that environment is, is quite important. So I'm glad he kind of helped keep me to the same standard that he was raised at. Otherwise, you know, a lot of those kids with rich families are quite spoiled and arrogant, and it's just not something that's, it's just classless.

• 36:16Patrick Bet-David?

  If I, if I knew you at fourteen years old, we were in class together, we're both fourteen years old. Who were you at fourteen years old?

• 36:24Speaker 00

  I, you probably wouldn't know I was there. I wouldn't probably say a word to anyone. Um, I was quite reserved growing up, uh, especially during my high school years. Uh, once that whole COVID thing started and, and people were starting to wear the masks online school, that was kind of like twenty twenty was, March of twenty twenty was kind of like the last time I even attempted interaction. Um, you know, during like my, my school years.

• 36:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So you were kind of to yourself?

• 36:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I would go multiple days without talking.

• 36:54Speaker 03

  Did you graduate from high school?

• 36:56Speaker 00

  I did.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Okay, good.

• 36:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I graduated.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  You went to one high school only?

• 36:59Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  I went to five.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  Really?

• 37:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I went to five different.

• 37:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't a troublemaker or anything at high school. I would kind of just, um, you know, be in the library, mainly doing the research.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  Were you an A student? Were you like good?

• 37:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was a good student.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're a good student. I can see you doing really well in school.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I did well. Um, I didn't really.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  Sports?

• 37:20Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, for the first two years, but, uh, I wasn't good enough to, to play in college or anything.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  But you enjoyed playing sports and staying fit and all that.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, I did, I did. I mean, my main thing was getting away from, from, uh, sports and mainly shifting into weightlifting because I found it to be more productive.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Good for you.

• 37:36Speaker 00

  And my parents kind of told me, listen, like, you're not going any further this, in sports, like, we're not going to spend the money. Um, which is quite sensible, and I think like that.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  When is that light that clicked in for you to go, I graduated from high school, which is eighteen, right, seventeen, and then at twenty, you're on top of the world. So what happened between that high school and go, I'm going to do this for my life right now? Did something click and I'm going to venture into social media and?

• 37:59Speaker 00

  It's more of like a brutal crash, so.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  What happened?

• 38:02Speaker 00

  So right after that, I, I, um, go into my senior summer, um, work my summer job, everything. And then I, I go into university. Um, so I was a freshman.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Majoring in what? What were you going to do?

• 38:14Speaker 00

  Uh, just business administration. That was kind of like more of a placeholder type thing until I kind of figured it out because it's, it's just too early to say at eighteen.

• 38:22Patrick Bet-David?

  When did you get comfortable with cameras? Like if, if fourteen years old, were there friends creating content? Were there others that were YouTubers in high school? Were there kids that you kind of saw and said, hey, I got eight hundred and twenty-eight subscribers? Was there anything like that in school?

• 38:36Speaker 00

  No, no, but in a weird way, I was kind of always comfortable with talking to a camera, uh, rather than talking to other people because I was talking to, uh, an audience that fully understood me. Um, just on like these super niche forums, um, that everyone had the same experiences. It's not like you're posting to, to YouTube and people don't really get it. Like, uh, today's day and age, I have to go a lot further in explaining myself, but back then, when I was just posting on these like small, like niche groups, it, it wasn't too hard. So, uh, there's content that dates back to when I was like, you know, fourteen years old, making YouTube videos.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 39:13Speaker 00

  Um, so there's a lot of different stuff out there.

• 39:15Patrick Bet-David?

  At fourteen years old?

• 39:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was just kind of recording myself more, just like ranting and, and giving kind of updates. Uh, I'm not sure why I did it, but thank God I did, you know, it wound up benefiting me. But anyway, I go into school and, uh, you know, the fall of, of twenty twenty-four, and I lasted about three weeks and then, um, I, I was documenting all the things that I was doing peptide related, all this kind of stuff.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:40Speaker 00

  Someone sent it in anonymously to my school and, um.

• 39:43Patrick Bet-David?

  How early? How old are you at this time?

• 39:45Speaker 00

  I would have been a freshman. I would have been eighteen or, yeah, eighteen.

• 39:49Patrick Bet-David?

  In college?

• 39:50Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 39:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it. So somebody sent it anonymously to school?

• 39:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, and then, uh, I get back from the cafeteria, there's all my different peptides, you know, laid out in my room with a bunch of like administrators and, uh, yeah, that was the end of it.

• 40:03Patrick Bet-David?

  How did you get introduced to peptides?

• 40:05Speaker 00

  I got introduced to peptides just from being on all these different forums, you know, a lot of like the ideology and, you know, different stuff came from people talking about it and then me going a step further and researching just further than anecdotes because you, you really can't take, uh, people's anecdotes on Reddit and stuff and say, hey, I'm going to do this exact thing. Uh, you really need to be going to your doctor, um, you know, as well as doing research yourself because I still think that blindly, you know, putting all your faith into, uh, doctors who got their degrees twenty years ago is, is completely unideal.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 40:39Speaker 00

  Now, to even go further, I have to say that, uh, with the new ChatGPT models, I actually trust ChatGPT for medical advice a lot more than I would trust your everyday.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  But are you on TRT right now?

• 40:49Speaker 00

  I am.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  But don't you think that your testosterone level being at your age is the highest it will ever be? Like, actually, are you blood wise, on your blood work, are you low on T?

• 40:59Speaker 00

  Uh, no, no.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  So you want to be at the highest, what, a thousand every day?

• 41:03Speaker 00

  Uh, I want to be around two thousand.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  Two thousand every day?

• 41:06Speaker 00

  Two thousand and twenty.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  But doesn't that give you a little bit of like?

• 41:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Thousand or twenty-five hundred.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  Nanograms per deciliter, yeah.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that's a lot, so, um.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  Something that's never been naturally achieved, so.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  No, you're right about that.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  So, yeah, it's like I could be at a, a high level, um, you know, but.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  But you know that if you will stop, you'll never like, you know, it will change, your metabolism is so aggressively attached to that TRT right now at your young age that you'll never have, basically you'll be on it for the rest of your life.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  Right, so your endocrine system, uh, goes on pause, uh, and, and the longer that you're on, you know, and the longer that your, your LSH and your FH aren't being signaled, yeah, you're absolutely correct.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Your sex, your sex drive has got to be, like, I can tell you, my, right now, my TRT is every day. I got to have like.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  With my partner, I'm having, you know, intimacy seven days a week.

• 41:55Speaker 00

  That's good.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  That's good, right? But do you feel like at your age, it'd be even double it because you're so much younger, your testosterone is producing? You know.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  Correct, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, usually, um, I have sex like multiple times a day.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:07Speaker 00

  Um, you know, so.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  See, I'm still there at my age because of the TRT, but to see him at his age going through that, it's fascinating.

• 42:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me ask, so what, what is your long-term vision? Like, do you sit there and say, by forty, by fifty, by sixty, I'd like to be here? Is there a vision for you long-term?

• 42:24Speaker 00

  No, no, I just like to take things one step at a time because I'm still kind of figuring things out. I don't claim to be, you know, some expert, some completed package. I think people kind of like the content that I create because it's still like, you know, I'm still on the journey of, of figuring out how to be more charismatic, how to be more sociable and interesting, uh, when I'm talking to women, you know, all this kind of stuff. Um, so like trying out different things, like for example, I did a stream yesterday where we're doing cold approaches, like working on, you know, talking to girls and working on game. So it's, it's like, I just don't know the, the way of the world yet, you know, I'm twenty years old, it's, it's not my.

• 43:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Does anything, does anything concern you long-term? Do you sit there and say, man, I hope I get this part right and I hope I don't screw this part? Does anything concern you long-term?

• 43:14Speaker 00

  I mean, I have my concerns about society, not myself. I think just the direction that dating's moving.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  He's a free flyer, man. He's just like living his life.

• 43:22Patrick Bet-David?

  But I want to hear from him. So continue, I'm listening.

• 43:25Speaker 00

  So I just don't want people to start to form resentment because of a harsh dating market. And loneliness often does that, right? When you look at the statistic that two thirds of men eighteen to twenty one haven't had sex in six months. That is really hard to say to those people not to be depressed, not to be resentful.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  What's the age?

• 43:46Speaker 00

  Of the opposite sex.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  What's the age of these men that don't have?

• 43:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He said eighteen to twenty.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry, I didn't hear that. Eighteen to twenty, okay.

• 43:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, so with this being like a large percentage of the population, you just don't want people to do this thing where they start, you know, hating on women and stuff and that's cringe. That's not going to get you anywhere, just being super negative. So we want people to go on a different route, which I believe to be a lot more positive and taking up self-improvement. You know what I mean?

• 44:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  And I would be completely ignorant and just blatantly lying to say that, yeah, genetics do play a huge role. And person A and person B are gonna, you know, be able to achieve vastly different results. Even with all the looks mixing in the world or no looks mixing in the world. But it's good to at least start somewhere because you can marginally change your life by improving even twenty percentiles.

• 44:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think matters the most? Like if I ask both of you guys this question, we got three different guys. One guy's five seven, you know, he has a perfect ten of a face. Like flawless in your standards, he's a ten on his face, but he makes fifty thousand dollars a year. Okay? Number two is a guy whose name is Bobby. First guy, let's call him John, the five seven, perfect face, makes fifty K a year. Bobby's the second one. He's six four, not really good looking, average face, makes two fifty a year. Third one is worth a hundred million dollars. He's below average face, five ten, extremely charismatic. Who's gonna do better with women between the three?

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• 47:44Speaker 00

  Well, there's just a... Better with women in what way? Because the person who has...

• 47:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Super confident. He's super confident.

• 47:52Speaker 00

  The person who is gonna do the best with, you know, securing one-night stands is gonna be the ten out of ten face. The person who might be able to have the most consistent long-term relationship might be the person who offers the most financial stability. So it's just like, it's really depends on your goals. What exactly are you trying to do? And I don't think that necessarily going for one-night stands and slay streaks is something that's a productive thing. So you could say, yeah, this person might be achieving the result, but the result is not not leading to anything further.

• 48:25Patrick Bet-David?

  It's actually a very thoughtful answer, you know, to think about it that way. Because if you are trying to go to a nightclub and get one-night stands, it's gonna be the first guy. What would you say to the answer here?

• 48:37Speaker 03

  And nowadays, I say the hundred million dollar guy will always get laid, automatically. That's just a sure thing. But the good-looking guy will find someone to sleep with. Now, it depends what kind of guy that is, you know, if he has high standards, you know, whatever. If he just wants to sleep with girls, whatever. But also, I think times have changed where girls in America, girls are different than anywhere else around the world. So we have to separate the two, like European women or South Asia, they think differently. American girls, I think, for most part, in the society we live in, in a realistic world, only care about money.

• 49:15Speaker 00

  Are you guys ready for this?

• 49:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  You know?

• 49:17Speaker 00

  Beta bucks while alpha fucks. Just remember that.

• 49:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Say it again.

• 49:23Speaker 00

  Beta bucks while alpha fucks.

• 49:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 49:26Speaker 00

  So what that basically means is the guy with all the money, the hundred dollars, you know, the hundred million dollars or whatever, you know, he's basically just going to be offering the financial stability to get that relationship, maybe buying girls expensive items and putting them up in a huge multimillion-dollar house. So yeah, there's that method, but that's being a beta. The girl's not actually physically attracted to you, so the true love doesn't exist.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 49:52Speaker 00

  Whereas the alpha doesn't necessarily need to do all that. They're just gonna be able to, you know, sleep with the girl upon meeting them without any of this effort involved.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Also, the alpha will also look for the true love. If he finds, do you believe that you will find the one for you that you will be with and only her intimacy and everything else?

• 50:15Speaker 00

  I'm a pretty optimistic guy.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Oh, do you want it? Do you want it? Would you?

• 50:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think so. I... No, I certainly would hope that happens, but just the way that dating is trending, I think it's very difficult, but I still have my...

• 50:29Speaker 03

  It's difficult in finding that person, or is it difficult to...

• 50:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, just with the society that we live in.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  If you did find that person, would you be faithful to that person only and just say, no matter who is here, like, if it was true, you would, right?

• 50:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 00

  But that's also a hard one, too, because I'm so incentivized with my career.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Plus, you're twenty years old. I mean, like, you got the rest of your life.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  Well, it's just like, and you also have a community of people that watch you to, you know, go out into nightlife and, you know, pick up women because a lot of it is like a, it's almost like a documentary and a showcasing of the world and where we are with hypergamy when I go out and do these streams and like, because there's like a lot of like brutal black pills that happen that, you know, you just never guess, like, for example...

• 51:14Speaker 03

  Do you sleep with a different girl every night, like seven, like, for most part? And how do these girls feel? Like, do they get attached to you? I mean, I would think some of them probably don't want to leave you ever.

• 51:23Speaker 00

  So what actually happens is the more sexual partner someone has, the more their pair bonding abilities diminish, right? And this is true for both.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  What do you mean, pair bonding? Explain that.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  So there's different, you know, neurochemicals that release when you have sex

• 51:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  that are made to create a bond between partners

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  so that, you know, relationships can last, but you're just damaging this process the more sexual partners that you have.

• 51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  As the male or as the female?

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Both.

• 51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  It works in a bit different. Oh, so the neurochemistry is different, but it still occurs to a degree for both.

• 51:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Please continue.

• 51:57Speaker 00

  So anyway, that just is less likely to occur when you're in a promiscuous environment like Miami, where most people on the street, if you ask them, how many sexual partners have you had? It's in the double digits. So it's quite unfortunate.

• 52:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question, Antonio. This question's for you.

• 52:14Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 52:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So pre-fame?

• 52:16Speaker 00

  Pre-fame, yes.

• 52:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Pre-fame, no one knows who you are.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 52:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you still, would you still be in your twenties pre-fame? Like what age did you become famous?

• 52:25Speaker 03

  I became famous or known at seventeen when I did the Janet Jackson video. When I was first on that video with Janet, it was directed by Herb Ritz, one of the best videos ever, I was known.

• 52:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Which song, which video was this?

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Love Will Never Do Without You.

• 52:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Love Will Never Do Without You. So that puts you up now.

• 52:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Fame wise, was it when you walked outside, people knew who you were or not?

• 52:46Speaker 03

  They knew, it was like, is that guy from the video?

• 52:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so this guy right here?

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that guy, that kid.

• 52:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was a messenger, I was driving around in L.A.

• 52:54Patrick Bet-David?

  But do you think after that, was it full on fame or not yet?

• 52:59Speaker 03

  Not yet.

• 52:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So when would you say your fame became where you couldn't go anywhere without people recognizing you?

• 53:03Speaker 03

  General Hospital.

• 53:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So what, so that's ninety-two?

• 53:06Speaker 03

  That's twenty. I was twenty years old, ninety-two, yeah.

• 53:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, twenty years old, so let me ask you. Pre-twenty.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you good with women, were you a womanizer?

• 53:15Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 53:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Not really.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  I came from Rome, Italy, I had to learn the language, speak.

• 53:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Italian was your first language?

• 53:19Speaker 03

  I was born in Rome, came here, you know, legally in nineteen eighty-five, I had to speak the language, my dating in high school was awful.

• 53:26Patrick Bet-David?

  At twenty, how many girls have you been with?

• 53:28Speaker 03

  Not many.

• 53:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Give me a number, by the time you were twenty. He's twenty right now.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Just maybe less than, I don't know, five, maybe.

• 53:36Patrick Bet-David?

  At twenty, you've only been with five girls?

• 53:38Speaker 03

  You know why, my life, I've been, I really wanna be with the girls I wanna be with, even like later on in life, and specifically, because my sexual, sexually for me is everything, I don't just sleep with anybody.

• 53:48Patrick Bet-David?

  But let's stay on this.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  It's funny, because most, most of the guys, you ask them that same question, not many, five, you know, these guys, they say zero, you know what I mean, so that's why.

• 53:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So, but this is the part, this is the part I wanna go with, so you're twenty, are you comfortable sharing how many girls you've been with at this age?

• 54:03Speaker 00

  I couldn't tell you that.

• 54:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you couldn't?

• 54:06Speaker 00

  No.

• 54:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it more than a hundred, is it?

• 54:08Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 54:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so now watch this, here's a question I wanna go with. When you went on your run, was there ever a run where you were like, running through girls left and right, you couldn't go to, okay.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:20Patrick Bet-David?

  In that run of yours, how long did that last?

• 54:22Speaker 03

  How long did I make it last, because I got in relationships, so it was probably a few years.

• 54:27Patrick Bet-David?

  And during that few years, how many girls did you go through?

• 54:30Speaker 03

  Um, not as many, no, no, not that I'll.

• 54:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Fifty, eighty, thirty?

• 54:35Speaker 03

  You know, even if I was dating, for example, I wouldn't date two, two or three multiple girls at the same time.

• 54:41Patrick Bet-David?

  At the same time.

• 54:42Speaker 03

  I wouldn't, so whoever I was seeing, I would either see them for a short period of time, so it wasn't many.

• 54:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So this is kinda where I'm going with this, Clav, just, just so you guys know, if you're wondering what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about how much the role of fame plays.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 54:56Patrick Bet-David?

  How much the role of fame plays, so pre-fame with you, massive, right, so, so the pre-role of fame, um, walk me through, pre-fame Clav, post-fame Clav, how things changed for you.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  Well, here's what I'll tell you, just between, you know, what metric actually drives a success, looks or, or fame, looks or status. I, I would say that, you know, the level that I've achieved i-in terms of status is gonna be hard to come by, by many people, um, but it is ridiculous how easy it is to just open up Instagram and go through the DM requests, and there's probably about fifty to a hundred inbound DMs of, of girls around the country.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  What are the ages of the girls, if I may ask?

• 55:42Speaker 00

  Usually about college age, around my age.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  All college girls?

• 55:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, usually, that's just the demographic that I have the most.

• 55:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So is it them coming to you, or you going out?

• 55:49Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't send outbound DMs.

• 55:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't send outbound DMs, so if right now we went through your Instagram, how many DMs would you have of girls messaging you?

• 55:56Speaker 00

  Um, this early in the morning? I'm not sure.

• 56:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe tell me last week.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  Last week, so that's the funny thing, it, it got to the point where I kind of had to outsource it to someone else responding to them, um, so I couldn't tell you, but just a couple dozen.

• 56:14Patrick Bet-David?

  And what are they telling you?

• 56:15Speaker 00

  Usually it's just some basic inbound requests, like, hey, but sometimes it'll be something that's quite direct, like, you know, I've even had messages like, Clav, you know, I want you to come, you know, um.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  I get those too, by the way.

• 56:28Patrick Bet-David?

  So they'll message you like that?

• 56:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, just like blatantly, and this'll, this'll be like, or I've had girls message me like, right off the rip, like, can you fly me out, stuff like that, and, um, it's kinda brutal, because like, a lot of the guys that are at a similar looks level are probably just like wage cuckling, at like a normal job, like, you know, sending her Snapchats all day, meanwhile, she's DMing like, a gigas, you know, famous streamer to get flown out.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 56:57Speaker 00

  You know, this is like a phenomenon that we've never seen.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  What would make you move, what would make, what, what kinda girl would make you move to actually fly her out? Have you ever flown anybody out or anything like that?

• 57:05Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, okay.

• 57:08Speaker 00

  So, the thing about that is, it's just a lot easier to do that, rather than like cold approach and stuff.

• 57:14Patrick Bet-David?

  With fame.

• 57:15Speaker 00

  Um, within, yeah, once you're, once you have like the level of status that I do, you really should never like, cold approach a girl again, it's just not logical.

• 57:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so then in sales, in sales, this would be a way of looking at it where you have inbound calls, people are calling you to buy your product, instead of you're calling them to sell the product. It's always easier when people are coming into a gym saying, I wanna buy a membership, I wanna buy a policy, I wanna do something, so fame, so now let's kinda walk through this, because I'm going back in high school, and I'm thinking about the guy that landed girls and what he looked like, and then I'm going back in the military. One of the guys that got more girls than any of us combined, he was five-six, hundred and twenty-five pounds, not good looking, broke as hell, he had nothing going on for himself, he was very good at playing, uh, what do you call it?

• 58:08Speaker 03

  Pool?

• 58:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Pool, billiards, he was very good at that, but if we went out, I don't know how many times we went out that he didn't land a girl, and there was nothing about him that you would say, he just would go out, and he would go talk to everybody, he had audacity, and he had, you know, ways of approaching, then we had a guy, who I'll never forget this guy.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  Approaching, that's a, that's a key.

• 58:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And I wanna get to this, I wanna get to this with you, because I wanna give you both, and I want you to give me insight on how both of you guys view this, because a part of it is also, both of your personalities is very different personalities, from just talking to both of you guys. Then I had another friend, Clav, this guy was the best looking guy we had in our group. When I tell you best looking, it's ridiculous what this guy looked like, face, perfect nose, we're Middle Eastern, you know, Middle Eastern, noses are legit, you don't, you rarely find a Middle Eastern guy with a perfect nose, right? He had the perfect nose, nice small ears, face was flawless, incredible physique, bodybuilder, small little waist, beautiful lats, beautiful body, danced better than all of us, but God forbid if you went out with this guy, and one girl gave him a look, or was not interested,

• 59:17Patrick Bet-David?

  his go-to was off a little bit, he's like, I'm not gonna land anybody tonight. So what, how do you explain those two personalities? It's, it's got nothing to do with looks or fame, how would you break that down?

• 59:27Speaker 00

  Could I have a pen and paper?

• 59:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course you can, yeah.

• 59:29Speaker 00

  I'll do that for you right now.

• 59:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you need a camera on this, or you're just gonna show it to us?

• 59:32Speaker 00

  I'll just hold it up after I'm done. It's a quite simple, uh, diagram, so, this is called the oofy doofy theory.

• 59:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Oofy doofy theory.

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Yes, so bear, bear with me here.

• 59:49Patrick Bet-David?

  We're learning, folks, oofy doofy theory.

• 59:51Speaker 00

  So oofy doofy theory, right here, so this is a, a purgatory graph right here.

• 59:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 59:57Speaker 00

  So basically what's happening is, from about the forty-fifth, or really about forty-ninth, to ninety-fifth percentile is a huge purgatory zone, where these above-average looking guys, um, are attractive enough to potentially get slays that are, are less look, good looking than them, or maybe get into long-term relationships with their looks matched, but once they get into a relationship, the girl knows that they have other sexual partners, so they view that relationship as unsafe, right? The reason that the oofy doofy theory works in these five, six jesters that are a hundred twenty pounds are able to get women, is because the girl likes to dominate that, you know, relationship, dominate all the different, you know, things there.

• 1:00:40Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy was an alpha though, Clav, this guy's an alpha.

• 1:00:43Speaker 00

  No, if they're, if it's an oofy doofy, it's not an alpha, they feel safe with that man, they.

• 1:00:46Patrick Bet-David?

  There is nothing safe about this guy, let me tell you why, I'll tell you why.

• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  They don't know that at the time.

• 1:00:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But I'm gonna tell you this about this guy, there is nothing safe about this guy, nothing. He slept with this guy's girlfriends, the guy's girlfriends wanted him, there was nothing safe about this guy, and he was super confident, alpha, like, girls would go out with him, they were afraid of losing him, that's how he was.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  I could, I could tell you what I think about that.

• 1:01:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I want him to finish this out, I'm just pushing back a little bit, I want you to go a little bit.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  So maybe not that example, actually, but the oofy doofy theory, so women would actually go against eugenics in favor, uh, worse looking looks, and, uh, in favor of security, right, so that's a quite interesting phenomenon.

• 1:01:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I see that.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  Rather than dating their looks matched, the, the person who's at an equivalent level, um, so if they can't, so they would rather ideally sleep with a Chad, you know, but if that's not possible, instead of a riskier relationship, they wanna save option with oofy.

• 1:01:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so that part I get, I don't think it applies to this concept, because all I'm thinking about is this guy, now walk me through the other guy, walk me through the guy that's the best looking guy, best physique, best body, lights out, girls were crazy about this guy, but he was a little bit hesitant, and smallest thing would make him uncomfortable, what do you call that?

• 1:02:01Speaker 00

  Um, just someone who's high inhibition, that's in a whole nother spectrum, so, you know, your looks, you can have all these looks, you can have all this money, but if you're not actually interacting with women in any way, it's very unlikely that a woman is gonna come up and, and talk to you, right, that's just, it's also feels like emasculating to have like a woman like, cold approach you, you're just like sitting there in the corner of the bar, all reserved, it's, it's not an attractive thing, so, that's why, even if you go up to a girl and tell her that you just shit in your pants, uh, you're still doing better, and you have better game than like ninety-nine percent of people, because ninety-nine percent of people are too nervous to have an interaction with a girl in the first place.

• 1:02:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you, were you, uh, confident to walk up to girls when you were fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, like, did you go to homecoming, did you go to any of those dances?

• 1:02:51Speaker 00

  No, so I've always been low in inhibition, but I was very self-aware of my looks level at the time, and I was extremely sub, subhuman, um.

• 1:02:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Extremely, did you say subhuman?

• 1:03:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:01Patrick Bet-David?

  At what age?

• 1:03:02Speaker 00

  Like, fourteen to sixteen.

• 1:03:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Are, are these pictures online, cause?

• 1:03:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up Klavikular's picture at fourteen or sixteen years old, because I wonder what to you is subhuman, where the average man may disagree with you?

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• 1:06:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's you.

• 1:06:13Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:06:13Patrick Bet-David?

  That's at what age?

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  That would be, I believe, 15 or 16?

• 1:06:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if I put you subhuman. I just think you're a 15-year-old that has some acne.

• 1:06:22Speaker 00

  Well, I would say, I would, yeah, maybe I'm being...

• 1:06:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 1:06:26Speaker 00

  Maybe I'm being a little bit hyperbolic.

• 1:06:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Do me a favor. I want you to judge yourself here, because I want to know how you've... Pick one of the pictures, whichever one you want to go with. Do you want to go with this one?

• 1:06:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I consider that like...

• 1:06:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Walk me through what makes you uncomfortable when you looked at that age.

• 1:06:40Speaker 00

  Well, I would say that, you know, I'm horrible body composition. I was like a skinny-fat type build.

• 1:06:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So physically, not face?

• 1:06:50Speaker 00

  No, no, face. I mean horrendous, horrendous acne and skin complexion, shaved head, you know, so bloated face, just not ideal. You know, so I would rate myself in this time around like a 3 out of 10?

• 1:07:05Patrick Bet-David?

  3 out of 10.

• 1:07:06Speaker 00

  Or 4, maybe about 4 out of 10.

• 1:07:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, how different are you in that People Magazine to the left versus today? Is that pretty much as updated as it is?

• 1:07:14Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:07:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Or have you done anything since then?

• 1:07:15Speaker 00

  That was about a year ago. So I'm, a lot of people say that was like the best time, because I got super tan last year.

• 1:07:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You look ridiculous in that picture, by the way. So no, really, extremely. So what's different? What have you done, worked to yourself here versus the other one we looked at? Specifically with your face?

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  Well, I'll be here for eight hours if...

• 1:07:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Walk us through some of it.

• 1:07:39Speaker 00

  But, you know, the main highlights would be I had a rhinoplasty about two and a half months ago. I had an autoplasty, which is where they suture your ears back to make them a little bit less over-projected.

• 1:07:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You call it autoplasty?

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, autoplasty.

• 1:07:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Autoplasty, okay.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, so those were like the two plastic surgeries that I've had. And the rest of it is a combination of, you know, different pharmacokinetics. So like, you know, taking testosterone and...

• 1:08:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing with lips?

• 1:08:11Speaker 00

  What's up?

• 1:08:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing with lips?

• 1:08:12Speaker 00

  No filler, no nothing.

• 1:08:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Anything with jaw?

• 1:08:14Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 1:08:15Patrick Bet-David?

  No surgery with jaw?

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  No, no. I'm currently in the midst of an Invisalign course. But no, I don't, I don't have...

• 1:08:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Invisalign is what, teeth?

• 1:08:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I'm working on that.

• 1:08:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you do anything? Did you have braces when you were a kid or no?

• 1:08:26Speaker 00

  I did, but, you know, when you have braces and you, you know, have your third molars start to come in, it actually crowds your dental arch.

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  Still have your wisdom teeth?

• 1:08:33Speaker 00

  No, I got them removed. So I guess that's another one.

• 1:08:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you look at anything in your face? And you said, "I'm flawed here." Does any part of your face bother you today?

• 1:08:42Speaker 00

  I'm not someone who's like hugely negative and like, you know, body dysmorphia type of vibes. Yeah, I know what's ideal, and I know where exactly I fall outside of the ideal, but it doesn't give me like this huge...

• 1:08:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Is there anything else you feel you can improve? Like, is there anything else where you're like, "I still got some work to do"?

• 1:09:02Speaker 00

  So, yeah, I mean, just my physical fitness, like getting my physique back to where it was, because that was one thing that really suffered because of my streaming, was my lack of consistency with my training. I'm super involved with my work and stuff, so I don't really work out consistently anymore. So getting back into that and having like a strong frame again, it would serve as a huge halo.

• 1:09:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me, let me ask you, for you. So one could watch on the outside. I hope you don't take this personally. Feel free to push back. One could say, "One is manufactured a little bit," right? Are you comfortable with that phrase?

• 1:09:36Speaker 00

  That's fine.

• 1:09:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. "One is manufactured looks. One is you're born like this," right? Did you yourself? Because the experience I had, I was never the best-looking guy. I had height, I know how to talk. I was very confident. So I didn't struggle with women where I could go and talk to them. That was my edge, and I was broke for most of my life. I mean, till 25, 26. I'm just a regular guy that's trying to figure it out. Did you, as good-looking as you were internally, and people not knowing this? But here's a good, let me ask the question. I want to see what you're gonna say.

• 1:10:09Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:10:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you ever, from the outside, people will look at you and say, "My God, frickin' God, that guy is so handsome. He must be landing girls left and right." Did you internally deal with insecurities where you're like, "Man, I'm not as good here. I'm not as good there"? Did you have any of that?

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  First of all, I was very humble. I'm still humble in my life and the way I treat life in general. But at that age, especially at that age when I was like 14, 15, I didn't speak the language. I started training because I followed my father. I had a really good role model in my dad. I wanted to look like him. But, you know, I just kept training and training and using fitness and sports to build up my confidence, because I didn't have any friends in high school. I couldn't speak to anybody. It was a very different time. So what I did was, I'm gonna, the will to survive in this country and the will that I have genetically from my family, I left high school. I didn't graduate from high school. I went to New York when I was 16. I followed my career as an actor. I wanted to do that and just training, get my body to look better and feel better.

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  And I was very insecure about a lot of things. Then I went back to high school and got my diploma later on. I got it like three years ago. So it's, it's my will to do what I wanted to do, that I, you know, you just, you see that dream, and I just wanted to make it happen.

• 1:11:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you look at your face and say, "Man, I wish my nose, I wish my ears, I wish my..."

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  All the time. I mean, like, I was, I would look at celebrities or actors, like I told you, I would say, "I wish I looked like that. I wish," you know. But at the same time, I was like so focused on achieving my goals that I just, I never slowed down. I never felt sorry for myself.

• 1:11:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know why I'm asking that question?

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Because to me, for whatever reason, the best-looking guys that were born with looks were the most insecure guys. Never understood that. The best-looking guys that were naturally good-looking, they were extremely, what do you call it, about themselves. What's the word I'm looking for? It's...

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  Self-conscious?

• 1:12:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Self-conscious about themselves. It kind of like...

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  Well, there's a persona that goes with it. I remember talking to another celebrity. I said, "You're gonna have a problem, because, you know, the way you look." And I was like, "What do you mean by that?" And I was like, "Because, you know, you're gonna get all this stuff given to you." I'm like, "It was actually the opposite." The opposite. It was like very hard for me to do everything that I had to do from, from scratch. It wasn't given to me, just because maybe I was that insecure inside and coming, you know, coming to a different country, different mentality. But, you know, the people that I was competing with and everything were people that were born in this country, that spoke the language, they knew about the environment.

• 1:12:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Makes you mysterious still.

• 1:12:35Speaker 00

  Well, it's also, it's quite brutal, because people assume success if you're good-looking, right? And that's just something called the halo effect is how...

• 1:12:44Speaker 03

  Or rude. They assume that you're rude, which you're not.

• 1:12:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. So you're competing against this preconception that people have because of your looks level. And unfortunately, if you're someone who's reserved as a good-looking male, and people are gonna assume neurodivergence right off the bat if you're not, you know, being super extroverted, talking to all these girls, being like the, you know, the most sociable guy in the room, that's just expected of you. So if you don't fall within this, yeah.

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  They always say like, "What a nice guy you are." I'm like, "What do you mean?" I'm like, "Because it's like, you know, good-looking guys are always mean." I'm like, "I don't want, I'm like, that's what the persona is with people that take care of themselves physically, and they walk in the room going, 'I take care of myself.'" They always assume, "Well, he's not a nice guy."

• 1:13:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, listen, there are guys like that as well, that are good-looking, super cocky and arrogant, and the moment they lose their looks, they, they lost their identity, because their entire identity is around how handsome. This happens to women a lot, when if there's not a core, deep strength and confidence, the moment looks goes, they all of a sudden do dumb things. And you're like, "Wait a minute. Why are you hanging out with an 18-year-old? Why are you hanging out with a 22-year-old?" It's their way of saying, "When I was 18, 20 years old, everybody wanted me." So it's that desire to go back to it. But let me stay on this. I want to ask you guys both a question. And this is just purely prompted based on a conversation we had. So which of these...

• 1:14:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think helps more fame, money, your looks, confidence, personality? You know, when I say looks, you can put physical, you know, maybe even body versus not face or face versus not body. But which of these you think automatically attraction comes even higher fame, money, looks, confidence? Where would you put that?

• 1:14:30Speaker 00

  I don't really think we could answer that question without hyper specifics on like percentiles, right? So are we talking like looks as in, you know, above average looks, someone who's like a high tier normie facially like?

• 1:14:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Put all of them in the top 90, top tier, 90 percentile plus. So fame, 90 percentile, money, 80, 90 percentile, looks, 90 percentile, confidence, 90 percentile.

• 1:14:53Speaker 00

  Looks.

• 1:14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You would put looks one.

• 1:14:55Speaker 00

  Well, most important for what exactly?

• 1:14:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Landing girls.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  Looks.

• 1:15:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You put looks number one.

• 1:15:01Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 1:15:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so.

• 1:15:03Speaker 00

  If everything, if all is equal, yeah, of course, money is going to start to matter more when we're talking, you know, a hundred million dollars. But I always find it funny when I do these interviews because they'll give such an absurdly exaggerated number for like the fame and the money or like use myself as an example of like the, the status when it's just not really going to be something that's, that's realistic for 99.999% of people. So it's not really worth acknowledging. I think we need to take things back to reality and even talk about like a salary of, you know, a hundred thousand dollars, something similar.

• 1:15:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That's fine, but that's 80 percentile, right? Even use that.

• 1:15:38Speaker 00

  Is that, that's 80?

• 1:15:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Hundred, a hundred thousand is 80 percentile.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  So a little bit higher.

• 1:15:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You're in the top 20% of income earners at a hundred K.

• 1:15:45Speaker 00

  Okay, understood, understood. But at what age range, does that matter or no?

• 1:15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Pick 25, 35, anything between 20 to 35.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  And the other thing about money is unless we're talking about these absurd figures, it's not really going to make up for a, a lack of looks, right? So unless we're talking about a hundred million, even if we go to the 95th percentile and someone's making, you know, maybe $750,000, that's not different enough to like really, you know, be able to carry it for like this looks disparity.

• 1:16:16Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and is this, Clive, is this mainly what types of girls? Because, you know, is it just landing girls or is it landing a, a higher quality girls? Because there's, there's qualities in it as well, right? I mean, you can go in a Miami because you said you came from Jersey, then you went to LA, you were there for a couple of months and now you're in Miami, right? So it's a different market being here. Is it landing girls at nightclubs or is it getting somebody that's famous that's messaging you saying, Clive, I'd love to hang out with you?

• 1:16:49Speaker 00

  I actually don't really use my nightlife experiences in Miami as much of a testament. Uh, I think Miami, it's, it's funny that people have this misconception about Miami. The girls that actually live in Miami are not really that good looking. A lot of it's, this is just a tourist hotspot. So the hottest girls that you'll meet in South Florida are vacationing for the weekend. You know what I mean? So, uh, I, I use my experiences from what I'm doing, like my college tour, for example, and I'm in a small town in, uh, North Carolina, for example. The experiences really aren't that much different in a lot of different parts of the country.

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  Where did you see the most beautiful girls around the world?

• 1:17:27Speaker 00

  Um, most beautiful girls around the world, probably in like South of France, something like that.

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:36Speaker 00

  South of France.

• 1:17:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree. Um, I think for, for the original question you said, I think confidence, I think the beauty of somebody walking in and that attraction will get you in the door. But I think the confidence, like we see a lot of these reality competition shows when somebody walks on stage and they have that confidence about them and you see all the judges going, yep, there's something there and something, and then the performance is there with it. So I think the confidence that people have coming into the room, the way they're dressed, the way they, they, you know, the way they are, I think it's important and I think that will get you. Yeah, everything matters.

• 1:18:09Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so.

• 1:18:10Speaker 00

  And also that's, that's the other phenomenon you come back to is the halo effect, right? So if someone walks in and they're super good looking, good posture, you know, they seem super confident, totally acceptable, but you walk in that same way, uh, but you're not an attractive male, they're going to say, oh, this guy's arrogant, this guy has an ego, um, all that kind of shit. So that, that's why it's, it's really brutal.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:32Speaker 00

  You know, there's almost an expected persona behind every looks level.

• 1:18:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, because we have so much social stuff in front of our faces, how everybody wants to look like this and wants to look like everything else that they are. I, I try to promote in my TikTok places where just be yourself, the best of you because don't try to be like, I'm not going to try to be you. You're not going to try to be me. We're two different people. So, but if I.

• 1:18:55Speaker 00

  Kinda, I mean, like, kind of, I feel like you, you kind of.

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  No, we're similar. Don't get me wrong. I think I could, we could hang out.

• 1:19:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, like the, the goal is kind of like to, to be like what you were doing, you know, like doing.

• 1:19:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, no, we're similar, but I also think that I, in my life, in my, I don't, I'm not going to go in, my life is different than yours in a sense. I already lived your life in a lot of different ways, but right now we, we are similar and we like the same things, you know? But at the same time, I wouldn't sleep with a different girl every night. That ain't going to happen. If I'm going to sleep with somebody who's going to have a connection, like the next day I would get, I'd get worried to be sued by her or, do you have contracts with these girls? I mean, like they could say anything they want and pretend like, I mean, there's so much dangerous with think, with meeting a stranger and having sex with them.

• 1:19:38Speaker 00

  Correct. You're absolutely right.

• 1:19:40Speaker 03

  I mean, they could say anything. Oh, he's, he did this, you're going to jail tomorrow.

• 1:19:43Speaker 00

  That's why like, not to be, not to be vulgar or anything, but like on the streams, it's nice because you can, uh, you could say to a girl like, hey, do you want to have sex later?

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:54Speaker 00

  And then you have that.

• 1:19:55Speaker 03

  You're protected by, you have the footage.

• 1:19:56Speaker 00

  Right there. Uh, yeah, you also have your liability contracts, being very diligent with IDs. Oh, that's another thing that, that's crazy nowadays is, uh, you ask your girl how old she is, she could lie to you first of all. And even if you're a step more diligent, you say, hey, can I see your ID? They'll present you with a fake ID a lot of the times. And this happened to me not too long ago as it went viral on X. Um, but I noticed the ID was fake because my previous job experience, uh, working a doorman at a bar, uh, and it turned out the girls were actually too young. So we said.

• 1:20:27Speaker 03

  You gotta screen them, like you gotta screening, you gotta.

• 1:20:29Patrick Bet-David?

  How, how were you able to tell? Just because.

• 1:20:31Speaker 00

  The ID was fake. So the, the, the way that the fake ID printers work, their edges are pretty rigid. So I felt that and the picture looked like it was off. So I was like, get out of here guys. And then they finally admitted it. And I was like, I was trying to explain to them, you could really get someone in trouble by, by doing stuff.

• 1:20:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And what did they tell you?

• 1:20:47Speaker 00

  Just don't care. They have no, have no.

• 1:20:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so when he said, you said he mocked you, what did you mean by he mocked you?

• 1:20:53Speaker 00

  Um, so yeah, you, you really can't be a looks maxer, I feel like, and can't be blackpilled if you can't acknowledge people mugging you. So like, I think in like all this stuff, uh, I would say that you mocked me, you know? And that's, that's kind of brutal because my whole thing is talking about looks maxing and like having all these routines and, you know, he's saying like, this is more of like a genetic thing. So like, that's, that's kind of brutal. You know what I mean?

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  What do you mean genetics thing?

• 1:21:17Speaker 00

  So like I have like a whole like looks maxing thing I do. I take all these different, um, pharmaceuticals, like TRT and all this stuff. And you're saying, yeah, I never took any, anything, never. Yeah, yeah, never looks maxed and still.

• 1:21:31Speaker 03

  My looks maxing were different than yours. My looks maxing was training at the gym.

• 1:21:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're saying the fact that he's saying, I didn't need all the stuff that you took and you did, that's a form of mugging.

• 1:21:42Speaker 00

  Well, just someone who looks better than you, no matter what, um, mogs you. But I'm saying it's especially brutal when there's less effort put in by that person.

• 1:21:51Patrick Bet-David?

  And so is that, do you, do you look at that as a negative or just a behavior?

• 1:21:55Speaker 00

  It's just a. Yeah, it's just a reality, but like what happens is if you get mugged, uh, and I'm sure this is like kind of true with most people, they just don't know why they feel off. Like if someone is much better looking than you, you just feel the mog internally and it just like, it really like has a soul crushing effect and like, kind of like brutalizing.

• 1:22:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? You feel that?

• 1:22:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So me and my buddy Hex the other day, we go to the gym and there's just some guy that like walks in and he was like 610 with a 24.5 by deltoid, 360 pounds, like massive frame. And like, we just, we felt the mog like all the way across the gym to the point where I just, I just left.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  But was he trying to do that to you personally or is?

• 1:22:38Speaker 00

  No, no, no, but the thing is like, you know, when you just feel the mog and that's the only thing that's, you know.

• 1:22:43Speaker 03

  Is that your insecurities that come when you, is that your insecurity when you saw him like that or was he trying to be?

• 1:22:49Speaker 00

  Why would I want that like, you know, internal, you know, pressure? Why would I want that?

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  I'm not here to mug anybody and I'm a humble man.

• 1:22:57Speaker 00

  So like, and I wrote threads about this, that if I was in a bar and like, you know, David Gandy?

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 1:23:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up who David Gandy is?

• 1:23:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:07Speaker 00

  So Gandy is one of these guys, he did Dolce.

• 1:23:12Speaker 03

  This guy?

• 1:23:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I wrote a thread back in the day and I'm sure that someone

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:16Speaker 00

  On Luxmax.org. Instead of Gandy walked into the same bar as me, I would just leave immediately.

• 1:23:21Speaker 03

  Why?

• 1:23:22Speaker 00

  Because just like if you feel the mog, it's just gonna like disrupt your flow.

• 1:23:26Speaker 03

  So we can't never hang out and be buddies, me and you?

• 1:23:29Speaker 00

  Um, I don't know.

• 1:23:30Speaker 03

  We can't go streaming together, bro? I was gonna ask you to go streaming tonight.

• 1:23:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I actually wanna know why, though.

• 1:23:34Speaker 00

  Well, I do have, I mean, I could cope with like the status pill. So like that's

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  No, but just man to man, like let's hang out.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, but like I'm saying like it's a little bit less brutal because like I can mog in like other metrics now.

• 1:23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it because in your mind, you're thinking you're not the best guy in that room? And there's somebody ahead of you, so I may as well leave because I can't compete with them?

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  Well, thank you. I appreciate you saying that.

• 1:23:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like it's brutal, you know?

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I know. I'm your bud, man.

• 1:24:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. Okay, so, so then in your mind, every man's goal should be mogging everybody in the room they're with?

• 1:24:12Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, I don't think that should be like, you know, the end all be all, but it's certainly like real and it's certainly worth acknowledging that it feels good to be the best, you know what I mean? And you're only gonna be resentful and you're only gonna hate on people that are above you.

• 1:24:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, buddy, that's gonna be tough, man. If it's all about the looks, it's gonna be tough long term. Because if, if the, if the

• 1:24:34Speaker 00

  Right, that's the reality.

• 1:24:36Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but it's, but it, I mean, is Trump the best looking guy in the world? Is, you know, um

• 1:24:43Speaker 00

  Well, he mogs pretty hard, so

• 1:24:44Patrick Bet-David?

  He does mog

• 1:24:45Speaker 00

  There's different things for becoming like the president that really matter for for looks and the stuff that I talk about. And one of the biggest ones is the facial width to height ratio. So having a super wide face like Donald Trump, uh, gives you a lot more of like a masculine uh, and like a lot more of like an assertive, uh, assumed personality. And also you look at the fact that all presidents were above, you know, 6'1" except like two or three of them. Um, the height plus the FWHR pill, that's why Trump

• 1:25:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So I wanna get in, so why don't we do this? I got a bunch of pictures here. I'm gonna show you guys and can you grab a pen and paper and I want you to score them from zero to 10? And I don't want you to answer it. I'll give you a clear one here for you. I'll give it to you.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:25:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And I want you to be before, and again, you can say 9.3.

• 1:25:32Speaker 00

  I have the paper already.

• 1:25:32Patrick Bet-David?

  9.8.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  I want a 10?

• 1:25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  All good. 9.8, 9.3, 9. whatever.

• 1:25:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:25:38Patrick Bet-David?

  8.6. And I'm curious to know why your answer is like that. So some of the ones we're gonna go through are old school. We'll start off with men and then we'll go to women.

• 1:25:47Speaker 00

  I ain't gonna lie, I don't know most of these people.

• 1:25:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you're not gonna know, so I'm gonna show it to you here. So maybe look at the pictures I'll show it to you and just tell me what you think they look like.

• 1:25:54Speaker 00

  Benjamin Netanyahu.

• 1:25:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, here we go. Go with this one here. Patrick Swayze.

• 1:25:59Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:25:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Write the score down. Patrick Swayze. If you can pull up the pictures as well while I'm doing this, so you can see a lot of them.

• 1:26:04Speaker 00

  That's more of like a frontal profile?

• 1:26:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So give a, give a, can you guys in the back just pull up Patrick Swayze?

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  There we go.

• 1:26:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Type in Patrick Swayze and let's see what score he gives him. This guy was a legend

• 1:26:14Speaker 03

  Oh, he's my man.

• 1:26:15Patrick Bet-David?

  In our time.

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:17Patrick Bet-David?

  So go to

• 1:26:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay, so I would just, no, no, go back, go back. There's an image that was

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 1:26:24Speaker 00

  Back the, no, no, back, the one on the, with the red shirt, yeah. That's perfect. Um, yeah, so

• 1:26:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Write your score down and we'll go to it.

• 1:26:32Speaker 00

  I would say Chad, eight out of 10.

• 1:26:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you said eight out of 10?

• 1:26:36Speaker 03

  Patrick's 10 for me.

• 1:26:36Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a 10.

• 1:26:37Speaker 03

  Oh, he's a 10, boy.

• 1:26:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Why'd you say eight?

• 1:26:39Speaker 00

  There's no one that's, face is completely perfect, right? I'm sure you, you can find different facial ratios of his that are slightly outside of the ideal. One of which would be like his gonial angle is a little bit too steep, right? So, um, there's that, so that would automatically make it so the person is not a scientific perfection.

• 1:27:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so I'm gonna put clap. I'm curious to know what you end up scoring the highest. You gave him a 10.

• 1:27:07Speaker 03

  Oh, because I know Patrick and he's the best.

• 1:27:09Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's go to the next one.

• 1:27:10Speaker 00

  Where's the, where's this guy's, what's his name?

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  Patrick Swayze.

• 1:27:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the next one, this guy.

• 1:27:15Speaker 03

  We should, oh.

• 1:27:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Elvis. You know who he is.

• 1:27:19Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:27:19Speaker 03

  Oh, man, you're killing me now.

• 1:27:21Speaker 00

  I'm actually gonna give him a 4.75.

• 1:27:23Patrick Bet-David?

  4.75 for Elvis?

• 1:27:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:27:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And what are you gonna give him?

• 1:27:27Speaker 03

  We're talking about that time right there?

• 1:27:28Patrick Bet-David?

  To any, this is peak Elvis.

• 1:27:29Speaker 03

  Right there, peak 10?

• 1:27:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Peak Elvis, 10.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  10.

• 1:27:32Patrick Bet-David?

  So you give 4.75. Why is Elvis 4.75?

• 1:27:36Speaker 00

  I consider that a below average face certainly because of, um, the face lacks angularity. So, um, you don't really see a lot of like projection and depth because of the lack of forward growth in the maxilla. That's why the face looks extremely like flat.

• 1:27:55Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's got a flat face is what you say?

• 1:27:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's, it's called a lack in maxillary forward development. You know, this usually occurs from people mouth breathing during their development. Their face actually grows down rather than forward.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  Well, I say Elvis

• 1:28:09Speaker 00

  Dr. Mike Mu, phrase be his name, um, was, was very, you know, influential. Because maintaining that proper tongue posture when you're developing, you know, human is, it's extremely important.

• 1:28:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:28:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was, he was amazing.

• 1:28:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He was a 10 on your eyes? Okay, next one. Sean Connery.

• 1:28:27Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:28:27Speaker 00

  Um

• 1:28:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You wanna pull up some of his pictures? Sean Connery, young Sean Connery.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  Looks, right?

• 1:28:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Looks.

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, John was about 5.

• 1:28:39Speaker 00

  Um

• 1:28:41Speaker 03

  Well, maybe 6.

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• 1:31:08Speaker 00

  I'm gonna say

• 1:31:12Speaker 00

  I'll give that like a 7.75.

• 1:31:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:31:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. Why 7.75 Sean Connery?

• 1:31:18Speaker 00

  I think he's a little less good looking than the other guy just due to the, the Fino uh, being slightly less ideal, you know, the other guy with the blue, blue eyes and

• 1:31:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Patrick Swayze?

• 1:31:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, and the undertones, uh, the coloring.

• 1:31:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I love how he says the other guy. We know who these guys, but this is why I love that I'm doing it with you because

• 1:31:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:36Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a generation you don't follow. So what do you give Sean Connery?

• 1:31:38Speaker 03

  I give, I was gonna go a 6, but I'll go with a 7 because also he was a bodybuilder. He was, wasn't he Mr. Universe? He did something before.

• 1:31:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You're thinking about Steve Reeves?

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:31:47Speaker 00

  He's Norwood.

• 1:31:47Speaker 03

  But him, he, he was a bodybuilder.

• 1:31:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he?

• 1:31:49Speaker 03

  Sean Connery was a bodybuilder. There he is.

• 1:31:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, there you go.

• 1:31:52Speaker 00

  You guys know the Norwood Reaper? So like, you know the Norwood scale?

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 1:31:58Speaker 00

  So like there's a meme called the Norwood Reaper where, you know, it sneaks up on you and your hair starts to fall out and starts to recede and it forms like the Norwood pattern. There's different stages of the Nor, yeah, here just of the Norwood scale.

• 1:32:11Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:32:11Speaker 00

  Which is like Norwood 1. It looked like he was about Norwood 1 or Norwood 2.

• 1:32:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that good or bad?

• 1:32:17Speaker 00

  Uh, it's bad. Any hair loss is bad. So that's why I, I've been taking hair loss medications since the day I took 18, turned 18.

• 1:32:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So you've been taking hair loss medication since 18?

• 1:32:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:32:27Patrick Bet-David?

  And any specific one?

• 1:32:28Speaker 00

  Ductatride.

• 1:32:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Ductatride.

• 1:32:29Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:32:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And you take that, have you seen a difference?

• 1:32:32Speaker 00

  Well, no, that's the good thing.

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  Is your father bald?

• 1:32:35Speaker 00

  Uh, no, my father has

• 1:32:36Speaker 03

  Oh, you're good. Oh, your mother, was it your mother's father? Is he bald?

• 1:32:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, but, but still, DHT is, is not an androgen you want in your body.

• 1:32:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Paul Newman. Do you wanna pull up Paul Newman?

• 1:32:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's a 10.

• 1:32:48Speaker 00

  I guess

• 1:32:50Patrick Bet-David?

  One of the biggest Hollywood names, married to his wife 50 years. That's Paul Newman.

• 1:32:55Speaker 00

  Um

• 1:32:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Hustler. The guy's got his own

• 1:32:59Speaker 00

  I'm gonna give him like a, a 7.

• 1:33:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So Paul Newman is 7, what did you give him?

• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  Newman is a 10 for me.

• 1:33:05Speaker 00

  So he's got negative cantaloupe tilt. Looks like the upper third is a little bit too big.

• 1:33:09Speaker 03

  Most beautiful eyes.

• 1:33:11Speaker 00

  Um, the upper third would be your forehead and, uh, the cantaloupe tilt is, you know, the angle between your lateral and medial canthis. Um, so ideally you want your eyes to be, uh, slanted positively slightly. That, that shows strong zygomatic support and strong orbital bones. But he's got the lack of, of zygomatic support, uh, and infor orbital support, which causes that.

• 1:33:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So you give him a 7?

• 1:33:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:33:36Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, Tom Brady.

• 1:33:38Speaker 00

  Oh. Tom Brady, I would say is, um

• 1:33:43Speaker 00

  I'm gonna go seven point, seven point five.

• 1:33:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Why seven point five?

• 1:33:51Speaker 00

  So he's got an extremely masculine, total facial width to height ratio, that really tall aristocratic style skull. It's very masculine, you know, you have the tall jaw and a huge lower third. Really gives him a huge halo.

• 1:34:10Speaker 00

  As well as

• 1:34:10Speaker 03

  I give him an eight, cuz I think if he worked out harder, I think he changed his body even better. Cuz he's always been like kinda loose and tall. I think his face is, you know, it's gotten better. I think he could put some more work in the gym.

• 1:34:21Speaker 00

  He looks Giga Chad in the Gucci thing, but it's just like brutal. He'd literally be Tom Brady and your girl will cheat with them.

• 1:34:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, look at that, yeah.

• 1:34:32Speaker 00

  So you think about that, it's like, oh, you know, I think about personally, I'm doing, I'm really successful, I'm looks maxing, I got to above average, I'm making this money, then I'm like, oh fuck, like Tom Brady mocks me in all these different metrics and it's still happening to him.

• 1:34:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Still happens to him.

• 1:34:49Speaker 00

  It's over.

• 1:34:49Patrick Bet-David?

  To a guy nobody knew that was a jujitsu guy, Michael Jordan.

• 1:34:54Speaker 00

  Um, I'm gonna say like, I'll say like, pretty dead average, say like 50th percentile, like five out of 10, yeah.

• 1:35:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Five out of 10?

• 1:35:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And what does that mean to you when you say five out of 10?

• 1:35:07Speaker 00

  Average.

• 1:35:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Just an average looking guy?

• 1:35:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. Middle of the road, average.

• 1:35:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Any specific reason? Can he do anything to get better?

• 1:35:16Speaker 00

  Um, let's take a look.

• 1:35:18Speaker 03

  That's a different Jordan, yeah, that one, yeah.

• 1:35:21Speaker 00

  Is that the picture we wanna use?

• 1:35:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Use a

• 1:35:24Speaker 03

  The one on the right.

• 1:35:25Speaker 00

  So his jaw is very steep, right? So the mandibular plane, we ideally want that to be lower, so your jaw is taller from the front, and your side, you don't want your jaw to be angled down.

• 1:35:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:35:37Speaker 00

  And to be lower, so your ramus grows down.

• 1:35:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So you want this to be lower to match this?

• 1:35:42Speaker 00

  Correct, it's more masculine.

• 1:35:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:35:43Speaker 00

  Or also have an ideal, that falls a lot closer to that.

• 1:35:47Speaker 03

  He's got a great smile, I met MJ, he's the best. I mean, when he was lean and playing at top of the game, he was a good looking man, tall, you know, was it 6'6", 6'7"?

• 1:35:56Patrick Bet-David?

  6'6", yeah.

• 1:35:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, 6'6", great smile, great teeth, great persona, you know, he's got, he's just very slender and lean. So out of the basketball players, he's one of the most good looking guys.

• 1:36:05Patrick Bet-David?

  There we go, James Dean.

• 1:36:06Speaker 03

  Oh, my boy.

• 1:36:08Speaker 00

  Um, I would say

• 1:36:12Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:36:13Speaker 00

  Seven.

• 1:36:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:15Patrick Bet-David?

  James Dean is a seven.

• 1:36:16Speaker 00

  Maybe even less, maybe less, actually a little less.

• 1:36:19Speaker 03

  The ears of James Dean were

• 1:36:20Patrick Bet-David?

  You're gonna give James Dean less than a seven?

• 1:36:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, so he's a bit of a skull cell, which means, so, do you know what SFS means?

• 1:36:29Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:36:29Speaker 00

  Short Face Syndrome?

• 1:36:31Speaker 03

  Short Face

• 1:36:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Short Face Syndrome?

• 1:36:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:34Patrick Bet-David?

  He has that?

• 1:36:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you type in short face syndrome?

• 1:36:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Never heard of that before.

• 1:36:40Speaker 03

  No, me neither.

• 1:36:41Patrick Bet-David?

  We're learning stuff today.

• 1:36:41Speaker 03

  I know, we are, very interesting.

• 1:36:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So go to images.

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  Wow. Short Face Syndrome.

• 1:36:50Speaker 00

  I would use this image of the guy with the, oh, they can't see, it's in the second row from the left, one down, like the white, yeah, that one, that one.

• 1:37:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:37:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, so SFS is a, that's sort of what he has, you notice how the chin and the lower third

• 1:37:07Patrick Bet-David?

  James Dean has that.

• 1:37:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So what score you give James Dean?

• 1:37:11Speaker 00

  Um, maybe like, I still think he's above average, maybe like actually closer to a, to a six.

• 1:37:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Six?

• 1:37:18Speaker 03

  I gave him a seven, yeah, cuz

• 1:37:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And for you, it's what? What's the reasoning for that? These are two of the best looking guys right now, you know, we're sitting here going through everybody.

• 1:37:26Speaker 03

  I'm judging James Dean, that's cool.

• 1:37:28Patrick Bet-David?

  James Dean, just so you know, was, he was the man.

• 1:37:33Speaker 03

  He only made three movies.

• 1:37:34Patrick Bet-David?

  He only made three movies.

• 1:37:35Speaker 03

  Three movies.

• 1:37:35Speaker 00

  Just to clarify though, like when you do like research from like a, an outside perspective into like what I do, is that sort of like what you came across that like the best, cuz I don't really acknowledge that or

• 1:37:47Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what?

• 1:37:48Speaker 00

  Like, you know, one of the best looking people, like I consider my looks level to be like, you know, slightly above average, but nowhere near

• 1:37:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think you are?

• 1:37:54Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:37:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, like I don't like consider myself like, oh, you know, like these top

• 1:37:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think you are, seven?

• 1:38:00Speaker 00

  Um, I don't wanna give it a decile rating, I think I'm above average looks, but I don't think I'm like, you know, even able to be compared to like these Hollywood actors and thrown into the same

• 1:38:10Speaker 03

  Like who?

• 1:38:11Speaker 00

  Like, uh, you know, I wouldn't place myself in the same thing as like Brad Pitt and all these Hollywood guys. Uh, I just think that they have, you know, stronger facial harmony than me.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 1:38:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Facial harmony.

• 1:38:23Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:38:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so maybe, but, but, but it's interesting, so if you're giving these guys scores, would you, would you be above a seven? In your eyes, you think today you're above a seven?

• 1:38:32Speaker 00

  I don't think so.

• 1:38:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You're above a six?

• 1:38:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:38:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you're above a six.

• 1:38:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Very interesting, that, that, at least that level of humility to think you're between a six and a seven.

• 1:38:42Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm, yeah.

• 1:38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Huh, okay, so Marlon Brando.

• 1:38:47Speaker 00

  Oh, and his

• 1:38:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if you know who he is from Godfather?

• 1:38:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:38:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he a Chad?

• 1:38:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, eight out of 10.

• 1:38:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight out of 10, so so far, there's only two guys

• 1:38:55Speaker 00

  Eight point five, actually, yeah.

• 1:38:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight point five, Marlon Brando, so so far, he's the highest score you've given?

• 1:39:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is that?

• 1:39:01Speaker 00

  Um, well, super dimorphic, really good eye, I'm not sure the phenotype, but it looks like his coloring is, is quite ideal, like he's very high on the melanin and carotenoid axis, so you've got like that super tan and glowy undertone, really masculine orbital bones, you've got that like low set eyebrow, that's one of the most important things, is having deep set and compact orbital bones for being a male, what we call hunter eyes, and all these patterns are not just like autists making shit up on the internet, it comes from a lot of evolution, right? So the reason it's important to have deep set orbitals and long eyelashes

• 1:39:44Speaker 00

  is because actually when you're running away from wild animals back in the day, the people, the men with long eyelashes, it would keep the brush out of their face, so they were the genes that actually passed on, and that adaptation, you know, succeeded versus the people who had short eyelashes, brush gets in their face, and they get eaten by the animal and die.

• 1:40:05Speaker 03

  This is news to me.

• 1:40:06Patrick Bet-David?

  This is news to me, this is, we're learning. Okay, so Marlon Brando, you put eight and a half, you put him a seven, right?

• 1:40:11Speaker 03

  Brando in Streetcar Named Desire, 10. He was, I mean, he was

• 1:40:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You put him as a seven, though?

• 1:40:17Speaker 03

  No, no, here, I put

• 1:40:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, he's a 10, okay.

• 1:40:18Speaker 03

  I just wanted the next thing.

• 1:40:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's a 10 for you?

• 1:40:20Speaker 03

  In Streetcar, when he was top of the world, and he was, you know, waterfront, Streetcar Named Desire, Streetcar, he was number one in the world. I mean, he was the guy that went to Marilyn Monroe, met her at a, at a, at a dinner, Hollywood dinner, and said to her, I remember that line, cuz he talked about, he said, "My place or your place?" That was the only thing he said to her.

• 1:40:38Patrick Bet-David?

  To Marilyn Monroe?

• 1:40:39Speaker 03

  To Marilyn

• 1:40:40Patrick Bet-David?

  My place or your place?

• 1:40:41Speaker 03

  My place or your place?

• 1:40:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Which place ended up winning?

• 1:40:43Speaker 03

  I think they went to his place.

• 1:40:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Went to his place?

• 1:40:46Speaker 03

  But that's, that's the line, actually, I actually used that line.

• 1:40:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Did it work?

• 1:40:49Speaker 00

  I'm gonna write that one down.

• 1:40:51Patrick Bet-David?

  My place or his place? Here we go, Ronaldo.

• 1:40:53Speaker 00

  Um

• 1:40:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Was followed man on Instagram.

• 1:40:55Speaker 00

  I'm gonna say six point five.

• 1:40:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Six point five?

• 1:40:58Speaker 00

  Actually, no, no, not that high. Um, pull up a more recent picture, cuz he actually ascended.

• 1:41:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He ascended?

• 1:41:06Speaker 03

  That's just the face, right?

• 1:41:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, what I actually see

• 1:41:09Speaker 03

  He's just looking at the face.

• 1:41:09Speaker 00

  Probably around six.

• 1:41:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You put him as a six?

• 1:41:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:14Patrick Bet-David?

  It's pretty wild for you to put him as a six, but tell me why you think he's a six?

• 1:41:18Speaker 00

  I, I think he's a six because of the mandibular recession, so if you look at the side profiles here, like, look, click on that picture of him from the side.

• 1:41:29Speaker 00

  Um, no, from the side profile, like where it shows his jaw, if there is one.

• 1:41:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Side profile?

• 1:41:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, so basically, there's like all these different assessments, so we have the rickets E-line, to measure

• 1:41:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one would you like out of these?

• 1:41:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, the, either or, it doesn't really matter, the first two, that one might be a little bigger, though. Um, no, okay, so, yeah, either or, but there's basically a line that we have where the tip of your nose is going down to your chin, it should touch all three of your, your three points, your lips, and all this, to assess whether or not you have a recessed mandible, and he does slightly, which is why he has that, you know, loose cemental tissue, cuz there's not a lot of oral volume, right? So that's what actually gives you a good, um, cemental and hyoid region is for growth and oral volume.

• 1:42:26Speaker 03

  Well, his body's a 10, but I think his face, I think it's probably about the same five or six, cuz, you know, I think, but it, he's, the way he trains this guy and the way

• 1:42:35Speaker 00

  It's funny, because I've actually never heard anyone be as accurate with the rating system, to where they could put someone like this at like, yeah, you're saying like, oh, yeah, he's, he's a little bit above average, like reasonable, most people are so absurd and so off with their takes, to where they think average is seven out of 10. It doesn't make sense even logically.

• 1:42:54Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:55Speaker 00

  Like, if we have, out of 10, a decile rating, why is seven perceived average?

• 1:42:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Your average is a five.

• 1:43:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:43:02Speaker 03

  What would make you a 10 out of 10 for you?

• 1:43:04Speaker 00

  It would never happen.

• 1:43:05Patrick Bet-David?

  It would never happen?

• 1:43:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:43:07Speaker 00

  It's just not

• 1:43:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's the highest score for you? Is there anybody that you scored the highest?

• 1:43:11Speaker 00

  Um, so, yeah, there's, in terms of like facial harmony, which is one of the biggest things that you

• 1:43:17Speaker 03

  What do you give me? Judge, what do you give me?

• 1:43:20Speaker 00

  Uh, do you want me to rate like now, or like?

• 1:43:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, now, right now.

• 1:43:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to peak, go to peak.

• 1:43:24Speaker 03

  Peak?

• 1:43:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, go to peak, Antonio Sabato Jr.

• 1:43:27Speaker 03

  But I want now, too.

• 1:43:28Patrick Bet-David?

  He'll give it to you.

• 1:43:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:43:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Young, type in Young.

• 1:43:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, SEO hasn't caught up with what peak means yet. I would say, I would rate you like 7.75 in your peak.

• 1:43:47Speaker 03

  Thank you, man.

• 1:43:47Patrick Bet-David?

  No shit.

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  Coming from you is a lot. That's awesome, man. That's my dad right there.

• 1:43:52Speaker 00

  So like, that would be like high Chad light, around, yeah, so that's.

• 1:43:56Patrick Bet-David?

  7.75.

• 1:43:58Speaker 00

  It's like 98th percentile there.

• 1:44:00Speaker 03

  I'll take it.

• 1:44:01Speaker 00

  99th.

• 1:44:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You better leave walking here today.

• 1:44:03Speaker 03

  Let's see what it is now, though.

• 1:44:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Hold on.

• 1:44:06Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, just getting older, that's just something that that happens. It's unavoidable, right?

• 1:44:12Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:44:13Speaker 00

  You know, how old are you?

• 1:44:14Speaker 03

  54.

• 1:44:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, for 54 years old, if within that percentile, you've even ascended further because most people descend at a much more rapid rate and and you know, have a lot worse features by the time they're 54 than yourself.

• 1:44:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:44:26Speaker 00

  But, you know, if you were to to compare yourself with like Hollywood actors that are, you know, in their twenties and stuff, it might drop a little bit down to where maybe today, um, I would put you at probably like a low seven, something like that.

• 1:44:42Speaker 03

  Still on the sevens, though. I'll take it.

• 1:44:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:44Speaker 03

  I'll take. Thank you, man.

• 1:44:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Low sevens in 50s and high sevens? Okay, can we go into some politicians? Because you made this point about, you know, how much looks helps. So this is probably one of the hottest superstars on the Democratic side, Mamdani.

• 1:44:59Speaker 00

  Um, yeah.

• 1:45:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up some pictures on him? So we have some options.

• 1:45:04Speaker 00

  Let's rate the guy that wants to arrest Israeli.

• 1:45:09Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna do both of them, yeah.

• 1:45:10Speaker 00

  Um, uh-oh. Let's see. Yeah, yeah, let's.

• 1:45:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You're funny.

• 1:45:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you want to give him?

• 1:45:22Speaker 00

  Let's not do any, could we do politicians, but like before 2000?

• 1:45:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, do you want to give anything on him or no? With Mamdani?

• 1:45:31Speaker 00

  I don't want to do Mamdani or Benjamin Netanyahu.

• 1:45:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't want to do those two?

• 1:45:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, no.

• 1:45:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what would you give Mamdani?

• 1:45:39Speaker 03

  I'll give him a two and a half.

• 1:45:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, two and a half?

• 1:45:41Speaker 03

  Especially, yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Just purely on looks? Don't go because of politically, he may be at a different place as you.

• 1:45:45Speaker 03

  Uh, good four.

• 1:45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  He's charming, he's got the smile, he's very good on stage, he, you know, he's got a massive following.

• 1:45:51Speaker 03

  I'll give him, I'll give him a, I'll give him a five.

• 1:45:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you're still not gonna give anything on Mamdani?

• 1:45:56Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 1:45:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the reasoning? What's your reasoning for?

• 1:46:01Speaker 00

  Because it's just like, I'm not gonna get myself dragged into some like Twitter battle with someone, because I'll give him an, if I were to give him a purely objective rating.

• 1:46:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I think you're pretty objective.

• 1:46:13Speaker 00

  No, I am, but people don't understand that on Twitter. It's just gonna be a whole political thing.

• 1:46:18Patrick Bet-David?

  On giving a score to Mamdani?

• 1:46:19Speaker 00

  People assume that I'm rating him based off of like some.

• 1:46:22Speaker 03

  Political stuff.

• 1:46:23Speaker 00

  Some.

• 1:46:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I actually think you're very objective and I don't think you, you gave a very.

• 1:46:27Speaker 00

  But most people on X.

• 1:46:28Patrick Bet-David?

  But I, but I think that's why I'm prefacing it, so if they cut it properly, because we'll share ourselves.

• 1:46:33Speaker 00

  That's the thing they, they.

• 1:46:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but you gave Newsom a very high score, right? You gave Newsom a very high score and and that doesn't mean necessarily maybe you agree with his politics. I think you're pretty fair.

• 1:46:43Speaker 00

  Fair enough. Yeah, we could, we could give Mamdani a rating. I would say that he's around a 4.5 out of 10.

• 1:46:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:46:49Speaker 00

  Objective facial rating.

• 1:46:51Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, and you gave him a what? You gave him a?

• 1:46:52Speaker 03

  A five.

• 1:46:53Patrick Bet-David?

  A five. Okay, so you gave him a higher than his. Fair enough. How about Marco Rubio?

• 1:46:57Speaker 00

  Marco Rubio, I would say that he would probably be a 5.25.

• 1:47:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:47:05Speaker 00

  Easy ascension, though. Easy ascension. He's just a little bit overweight.

• 1:47:09Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's gotta lose some weight.

• 1:47:10Speaker 00

  And needs the ears bent, then he could probably ascend to like HDN.

• 1:47:16Patrick Bet-David?

  HDN?

• 1:47:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, high tier normie.

• 1:47:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Where do you put him at?

• 1:47:19Speaker 03

  My Cuban brother, uh, well, I would say I'll give him a good six, you know, and, you know, he's, he's working hard.

• 1:47:25Patrick Bet-David?

  He's gonna be going into that 2028 possible presidential election. Where do you put JD?

• 1:47:31Speaker 00

  JD?

• 1:47:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Better not. This picture's maybe not a good one.

• 1:47:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 1:47:35Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're topping JD today, because JD's been working out a lot, maybe top left, right there looks good. He's been taking care of himself.

• 1:47:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, this one got me into a lot of heat last time, but.

• 1:47:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and by the way, maybe even, you don't even know this, maybe even that comment you made got him to want to take exercising more seriously.

• 1:47:53Speaker 00

  No, I actually did take 100% credit for that lean max.

• 1:47:56Patrick Bet-David?

  You do take 100% credit.

• 1:47:57Speaker 03

  That's good credit.

• 1:47:58Speaker 00

  One thing that I am very passionate about is you don't just see like a one to one just transition in someone's entire life.

• 1:48:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Suddenly within six months.

• 1:48:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, like that clip was everywhere on there.

• 1:48:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you give him today? Not, not at that time, but today. Has he made some progress?

• 1:48:14Speaker 00

  Today, I give him like a, I would rate him like maybe

• 1:48:20Speaker 00

  half a point higher than Mamdani, around like a five.

• 1:48:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You give him a five. So Rubio's ahead of JD?

• 1:48:25Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:48:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, and then what do you, what do you give?

• 1:48:27Speaker 03

  I give, I give, he's, he's a good looking guy and also those eyes, so I give him a six.

• 1:48:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:48:32Speaker 00

  So his palpural fissure length, like the.

• 1:48:35Speaker 03

  He's a good looking guy.

• 1:48:35Speaker 00

  The width of his eyes is just so short, and you see this in also Chris Hemsworth, too.

• 1:48:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:42Speaker 00

  That's a very important facial ratios to have, super wide eyes and a lot of sclera show. Sclera is like the whites of your eyes. They're just really like so compact and narrow.

• 1:48:51Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's go to Putin. Here we go. You don't have, he's in Russia, so as long as you don't go there, you're gonna be fine.

• 1:48:56Speaker 00

  Putin's actually in a, oh, well.

• 1:48:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You want to put him up? Put Putin? Would you score him?

• 1:49:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was, I'm probably gonna go there soon, so, um, I would say that, like if we're rating current, like with, probably want to do young, yeah.

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• 1:51:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I think some may say older would be better than younger, but you can pick and choose.

• 1:51:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  He looks ice cold.

• 1:51:49Speaker 00

  Skip. Let's, let's skip this one.

• 1:51:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:51:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, let's skip.

• 1:51:54Speaker 03

  He's gotta go there. It's a tough one because this is a tough one.

• 1:51:58Patrick Bet-David?

  What'd you give him? What do you give him?

• 1:52:00Speaker 03

  Putin, uh, listen, the looks really, he went somewhere else, right? He just did a different career.

• 1:52:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, look, that's a pretty good picture for him. Does he, does he get at least a five from you on that one?

• 1:52:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll give him a five.

• 1:52:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:52:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So at least a five. So that's actually not bad in this. So both of you guys give a five plus.

• 1:52:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:52:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Barack Obama.

• 1:52:21Speaker 00

  Barack Obama, I would place him at a little.

• 1:52:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I could have picked a different photo. I don't know why they chose this one, but Barack Obama, he's.

• 1:52:29Speaker 00

  I'd say Obama's a slightly above average, like maybe 5.25 as well.

• 1:52:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you there?

• 1:52:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, about the same, probably six, you know, he's a good looking.

• 1:52:38Speaker 00

  Obama actually, in my opinion, I feel like he ascended and looks like better as an old sell. You know?

• 1:52:46Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 1:52:46Speaker 03

  I do.

• 1:52:47Speaker 00

  Like, almost like the contrast that you see between like the gray hair and.

• 1:52:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Like the one on the right? Maybe not him opening his mouth like that, but something.

• 1:52:56Speaker 00

  More so when he was.

• 1:52:56Speaker 03

  Got a great smile, you know?

• 1:52:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Like that one right there? Go on the middle one? Top? That one right there?

• 1:53:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, I feel like that's a better hair color than.

• 1:53:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree. So what do you give him there? Does he hit a six or not yet?

• 1:53:07Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:53:07Patrick Bet-David?

  He's still a 5.25. Okay, all right, let's go to Bibi. You want to pull up Bibi? Young Benjamin Netanyahu.

• 1:53:17Patrick Bet-David?

  This, this is.

• 1:53:18Speaker 03

  I've never seen that picture. Wow. Good looking, yeah, good looking guy.

• 1:53:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe go on the.

• 1:53:26Speaker 03

  I would never know that was him. Wow.

• 1:53:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, um, let's see. Yeah, he uh, looks a lot different.

• 1:53:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, he looks a lot different.

• 1:53:35Speaker 00

  Hmm, young. I would say probably like around age 10, around like six.

• 1:53:42Speaker 03

  He was in the military there, so he was at eighteen.

• 1:53:45Speaker 00

  Six to six point two five, around there.

• 1:53:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what do you give him?

• 1:53:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I give him about the same. He was a good looking guy, but yeah.

• 1:53:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, alright, AOC.

• 1:53:52Speaker 00

  Audi right there, dude. She's hot.

• 1:53:54Patrick Bet-David?

  She's hot?

• 1:53:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Has she slid in your DMs yet or not yet?

• 1:54:00Speaker 00

  Um, there was a bit of a press, press uh, thing between us, I guess. But yeah, I would say that she is probably like uh, prime. I'd say like, also like six. Yeah, I'd give her a six out of ten.

• 1:54:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Six? Flat six?

• 1:54:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:19Patrick Bet-David?

  That's pretty high for you.

• 1:54:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, that's good.

• 1:54:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what do you give her?

• 1:54:22Speaker 03

  In her prime, when she was dancing or there, she looked, yeah, seven.

• 1:54:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Seven?

• 1:54:25Speaker 00

  And that's why I also like the rating thing is, this happens all the time on the streets. It's like, people come up to me, Clav, can you give me a rating? And I'm like, I really don't want to hurt your feelings, because a lot of the times, they won't be good looking, and I'm like a pretty blunt guy. I'm not even trying to be like an asshole, I'm just trying to be like...

• 1:54:42Speaker 03

  They want your opinion, you gotta know.

• 1:54:43Speaker 00

  Trying to be honest.

• 1:54:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:54:44Speaker 00

  Uh, but you tell someone that they're a four out of ten, and you're being completely truthful with them.

• 1:54:49Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:54:50Speaker 00

  Uh, it's a hard thing to hear.

• 1:54:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, especially from you.

• 1:54:53Speaker 00

  Well, especially because most people, like, like I was talking about before, assume seven is average. So maybe they're used to being rated as a five or a six. But you go even further than that with like, the actual rating system that they're just not used to. It can be quite brutal, and like, you don't have time to explain that nuance to every single person. So I really just don't like to do ratings. I'm like, ah, why?

• 1:55:13Patrick Bet-David?

  About this guy?

• 1:55:13Speaker 00

  And also, why do you want to know? Uh, Trump. Uh, I'll give Trump...

• 1:55:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Peak.

• 1:55:18Speaker 00

  I don't think that's his peak. There's, there's better, there's better looks of Trump. I'll give...

• 1:55:25Speaker 00

  Trump, yeah, we gotta give Trump a uh, a six point five, for sure.

• 1:55:28Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, in his prime.

• 1:55:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He says he looks better than Elvis. So by the way, you scored Trump higher than you scored Elvis.

• 1:55:35Speaker 00

  He mocks Elvis, yeah.

• 1:55:36Patrick Bet-David?

  He mocks Elvis?

• 1:55:37Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 1:55:38Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's a six and a half, you gave Elvis a four point seven five?

• 1:55:40Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 1:55:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you agree with that?

• 1:55:42Speaker 03

  I, I give Trump in his prime a good seven, you know what I mean? He's...

• 1:55:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So six and a half?

• 1:55:47Speaker 00

  Trump was a slayer.

• 1:55:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So why is Trump better looking than Elvis?

• 1:55:50Speaker 00

  It's just locker room talk.

• 1:55:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is Trump better looking than Elvis?

• 1:55:55Speaker 00

  Um, so, uh, one of the, the biggest contributors, I would say, is, is the coloring that Trump has. Um, that phenotype, it just look, looks like super high class, and just um, you know, once again, the facial width to height ratio. He's got a super wide face, it's like aggressive, um, and, and that's why he's able to like dominate the rooms that he's in. And also, another thing is the twelve tooth smile, I believe he has.

• 1:56:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What is that?

• 1:56:22Speaker 00

  Just like how many teeth are visible when he smiles. Super wide palate, so it's...

• 1:56:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Twelve tooth smile?

• 1:56:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, and that's another thing I was talking about, is like the compact orbital, so he's got like a really like masculine uh, orbital. Orbital rim.

• 1:56:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we do the ladies, and then we'll wrap up this segment, and then Clav, you and I will speak for a few minutes together. Okay, Sofia Vergara.

• 1:56:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know who she is?

• 1:56:48Speaker 00

  No, no idea.

• 1:56:50Speaker 03

  I do, yeah. I give her a good eight.

• 1:56:52Speaker 00

  I'll give her a, yeah, eight, Stacy.

• 1:56:53Patrick Bet-David?

  She's an eight?

• 1:56:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's an eight now.

• 1:56:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's go through some of these quickly. Pamela Anderson.

• 1:56:59Speaker 00

  Uh, seven point, seven five.

• 1:57:01Speaker 03

  I dated her when in her prime, yeah, ten.

• 1:57:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You dated Pamela Anderson?

• 1:57:05Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, right there, right after that. Like, around that time, yeah.

• 1:57:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:57:09Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:57:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell us about it.

• 1:57:10Speaker 03

  She's amazing. She's one of the sweetest people, um, I was able to, to have a really, a small, nice relationship, very private. We kept it very private, but she was, she was very beautiful in every way.

• 1:57:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Salma Hayek.

• 1:57:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you familiar with her? She just turned sixty.

• 1:57:28Speaker 00

  Hmm, I'll give her a seven point five.

• 1:57:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:57:32Speaker 03

  Her prime, when she was uh, working in the first couple of movies, I give her a ten.

• 1:57:36Speaker 00

  Wait, let me ask you a, a question, just so I can understand, like, this helps me, where people are coming from. Do you think that you mog the um, the Pamela Anderson uh, girl?

• 1:57:46Speaker 03

  I don't think I'm, I, I think that mog word for me doesn't, doesn't fit very well, because I'm just too humble to accept it, because it feels negative in a way. But I understand, I also try to understand where you're coming from in, in your world.

• 1:58:00Speaker 03

  I never looked at myself in my entire life, waking up in the morning and go, oh, I'm good looking. That never crossed my mind, ever. I try to get better every day.

• 1:58:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, maybe let me ask...

• 1:58:09Speaker 03

  Also, I'm very religious, so I have a, I have a higher understanding.

• 1:58:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you define the question?

• 1:58:14Speaker 00

  Do you think that, in terms of, like, the percentile looks levels, just looks levels in general, do you think that she was better looking than you at the time, or you were better looking than her?

• 1:58:28Speaker 03

  Oh, she was definitely, she was the, the biggest star in the world, yeah. She was definitely uh, an amazing person outside, and definitely a lot above me.

• 1:58:36Speaker 00

  I would say that you guys, quite, quite similar looks level, so that's like...

• 1:58:41Speaker 03

  Right there, you see, yeah.

• 1:58:43Speaker 00

  So in my opinion, that's like what a relationship should look like, of like, similar looks levels.

• 1:58:48Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:58:48Speaker 00

  Uh, but that's not something that you see anymore. You would see, like, if, if you were around today in your prime, you would probably, like, your girlfriend might be like significantly less good looking than you. Uh, I'm not saying you, but I'm just saying like, you know, in a, in a generational context, someone similar to you today, their girlfriend would like, less likely to be as good looking as them, or better looking.

• 1:59:14Speaker 03

  In the time that we live in now, like two people that are the same good looking?

• 1:59:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, you don't really see that. You don't really see that too often. I, I mean, you see that at the top of the top levels, because that's just what's available.

• 1:59:23Speaker 03

  Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, I think too, and when Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman were at the top, I think they were just decouple. But I think right now, I don't think you have that, you're right.

• 1:59:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's uh, it's quite interesting.

• 1:59:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do a couple more.

• 1:59:36Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:59:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Gisele.

• 1:59:37Speaker 03

  Victoria's Secret.

• 1:59:38Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Tom Brady's ex-wife.

• 1:59:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, she has the best butt, yeah.

• 1:59:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight point five? So you scored her higher than everybody else. Why, why is she an eight point five?

• 1:59:46Speaker 00

  Um, well, I, her coloring and um, yeah, I think just how striking the face is with those super projected um, zygos and the facial leanness that she has, um, is why I give her that rating. And she has slightly outside of the ideal features too, which is why it's funny. Like, her mid-face is slightly long, but I think just like, the overall facial harmony that she has outside of that one ratio is crazy. I kinda wanna do an experiment later where I go and I edit her face to be a little bit shorter, to see how that, that makes her look.

• 2:00:21Speaker 03

  Let me ask you a question. When you see a girl and you see her beauty walking in, and you're also looking at other, like, her feet, her hands, or smile, her eyes, or is it just like, because the face could be a ten, but maybe her body is, you know, so is that... How do you feel about that? Like, it could be one or the other.

• 2:00:37Speaker 00

  So, when I first see a person, it extends, I think it, it's not even worth, you know, mentioning, like, just a woman in general. When you see a person, anyone does this, subconsciously you know within about thirteen milliseconds if they're good looking or if they're ugly.

• 2:00:53Speaker 03

  Right, it's the whole package.

• 2:00:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, so you just immediately can tell?

• 2:00:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:00:57Speaker 00

  But I'm just someone who, throughout my years of research, can explain and articulate why that might be the case, right? Um, this exact feature is what's uh, taking away...

• 2:01:07Speaker 03

  What turns you on in a girl? Like, is there boobs, or butt, or, you know, there's physique?

• 2:01:11Speaker 00

  The face.

• 2:01:12Speaker 03

  The face.

• 2:01:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I like um, you know, blonde girls that have more of like a model look to them. There's like a weird trend today where it's like...

• 2:01:21Speaker 03

  So not brunettes?

• 2:01:22Speaker 00

  Uh, I usually date blonde girls.

• 2:01:24Speaker 03

  Blondes, yeah.

• 2:01:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's like, there's a weird trend today where people like, like, thick, like, you know, overweight girls, it's, it makes no sense.

• 2:01:31Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not for you. So how, how would a Grace Kelly go for you?

• 2:01:34Speaker 00

  Um, a little bit too pale for me, but I, I need to see a more frontal picture. But yeah, so, anyway, like, like I was saying, uh, I have the same view as anyone else, I could just identify it. So like, the whole thing about mugging and stuff, all of this like forum speak was really meant to exist within a very like tight knit, small part of the internet. It was never meant to be on shows like this, you know, that was never the intention, uh, when these words and like this dialogue was occurring, uh, from like, you know, two thousand and eight, you know, up until now. But, it's just like, the, kind of the way that society moved, and when I first started coming up, it just like resonated with so many people, that's why it's in the mainstream.

• 2:02:19Speaker 00

  I don't go on and live my days, um, necessarily like, going up to people and saying like, "Oh, I mog you", like, it, it's really not something that, uh, ever really comes out of my mouth, outside of like a content, um, you know, perspective.

• 2:02:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's wrap these up, before we, we finish it up, and Clav, I want some time with you. Bo Derek?

• 2:02:41Speaker 03

  Oh, prime ten.

• 2:02:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You ever heard of her?

• 2:02:44Speaker 00

  No, I'd say like six.

• 2:02:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Six on Bo Derek?

• 2:02:47Speaker 03

  No, in her time, when she was number one, she was number one.

• 2:02:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Bo Derek, okay.

• 2:02:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:52Patrick Bet-David?

  She was a dime. Elizabeth Taylor?

• 2:02:55Speaker 00

  Uh...

• 2:02:58Speaker 00

  Like a 6.5?

• 2:03:01Patrick Bet-David?

  6.5 Elizabeth Taylor?

• 2:03:03Speaker 00

  Oh, maybe less, actually.

• 2:03:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Less on Elizabeth Taylor?

• 2:03:05Speaker 03

  Eight, good solid eight.

• 2:03:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight. She was married eight times, by the way. She was...

• 2:03:09Speaker 03

  I met her too, amazing woman.

• 2:03:10Speaker 00

  It's hard with the pictures to rate someone, ideally, and this is like the guidance that they give on the official looks maxing forums, is you want just the raw candid picture of someone's face, just straight up, on a non-distorted lens, so that'd be like a 50mm lens, just literally...

• 2:03:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Just sitting there.

• 2:03:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:26Speaker 00

  Just resting, like a model, like candid photo.

• 2:03:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:28Speaker 00

  That they submit to modeling agencies is like that as well.

• 2:03:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Huh.

• 2:03:31Speaker 00

  Because you could see all about the face. If someone's angling their face, or maybe like clenching their jaw, it can like, you know, mess with the thing.

• 2:03:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Sofia Loren.

• 2:03:42Speaker 00

  Um, I'm gonna give her, I'll wait till the picture comes up.

• 2:03:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up some pictures on Sofia Loren?

• 2:03:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, when she gets out of that boat.

• 2:03:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Young Sofia Loren, that young...

• 2:03:53Speaker 03

  The beach, getting out of a boat. Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Second picture's probably the good one, right there.

• 2:04:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, I give her a seven.

• 2:04:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Seven?

• 2:04:02Speaker 03

  No, she's always gonna be a 10 for me. Look at that picture on the left, black and white.

• 2:04:06Patrick Bet-David?

  She's gorgeous.

• 2:04:07Speaker 00

  So let me ask you a question. You don't think that, so if you rate someone a 10, that means there's absolutely not one flaw that you see in them?

• 2:04:14Speaker 03

  To me, because of what they've done, I mean, I've known them, some of them, I've known them my whole life, yeah, I give them a 10.

• 2:04:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's a 10, who's a, who's the most beautiful woman in your eyes? Like, who do you put as number one? Is there one for you?

• 2:04:26Speaker 03

  Um, the person that I was with last, that I'm getting my life back together to hopefully get her back. Because to me, it was, yeah.

• 2:04:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Is she well-known?

• 2:04:41Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:04:42Patrick Bet-David?

  But she's the, out of everybody you've ever seen in the world, she was the one for you?

• 2:04:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is that?

• 2:04:49Speaker 03

  Because I, I, I love her more than anything.

• 2:04:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened?

• 2:04:54Speaker 00

  Good answer.

• 2:04:55Speaker 03

  I was, needed to work on myself, um, which I wasn't, and I just thought that she was gonna be there for me forever, and it didn't turn out that way, so... Right now, I need to work on myself to get better, to get her back in my life.

• 2:05:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Real, that's...

• 2:05:10Speaker 03

  But only on the fact that I'm gonna get my life better. I need to work on myself. It's that stage in my life that I need to do things better for myself to have that type of person.

• 2:05:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you guys in communication?

• 2:05:22Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I, I know what I have to do. So until I do that, I wouldn't want the best person in my life to be there if I'm not ready 100% to do what I, what she needs me to do.

• 2:05:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. Who do you put?

• 2:05:36Speaker 00

  Um, I'll put probably, I think, like, prime Taylor Hill is probably one of the...

• 2:05:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Taylor...

• 2:05:46Speaker 00

  Victoria's Secret model.

• 2:05:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know who she is. Taylor Hill?

• 2:05:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:51Patrick Bet-David?

  She popped up, so apparently others know who she is.

• 2:05:53Speaker 03

  Oh, I've seen her before. She's, um, she's about your age, right?

• 2:05:57Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 2:05:58Speaker 03

  Oh, no, she's older? Younger? Older?

• 2:06:00Speaker 00

  Older.

• 2:06:02Speaker 03

  Oh, in this picture, she looks...

• 2:06:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So the one, the second, go to the bottom left, you have right there?

• 2:06:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that's like, uh, the type of photo that you would want ideally to rate.

• 2:06:11Speaker 03

  But she's not a blonde.

• 2:06:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, that's my usual type, but like, a lot of the girls dye their hair anyway, so, it is what it is. I dyed my hair black.

• 2:06:19Speaker 03

  Are you trying, are you trying to, uh, pursue her?

• 2:06:22Speaker 00

  No, I don't really do like outbound DMs yet. Once I become like a little bit more brand safe, I'm gonna start like, um, DMing like actresses and stuff, but I feel like I would have to do some weird thing where I like where, because anywhere I go, someone records and it's like a whole thing, like, no matter what, like, there's something every day.

• 2:06:40Speaker 03

  Or would you pursue her? Would you go after her in time?

• 2:06:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, maybe.

• 2:06:44Speaker 03

  Good.

• 2:06:44Speaker 00

  Maybe.

• 2:06:44Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 2:06:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just need to like, uh, work on the, the social media reputation. Because I was like, when I first started out with social media, as anyone does, um, I was just like, I was an idiot, you know, I was doing stupid shit all the time, so like, just kind of maturing a little bit.

• 2:07:01Speaker 03

  Bro, you're only 20 years old on this planet, bro.

• 2:07:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:03Speaker 03

  Come on, my kid is...

• 2:07:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the next phase of recreating for you? What's the next thing that we're gonna see with Clav?

• 2:07:10Speaker 00

  Well, I just don't want to detract from all the good that I'm doing with like, um, my immaturity, right? So I don't want the headlines to be about, you know, Clav gets arrested for, you know, doing this. I want it to be about, um, maybe me doing a, a conference or some sort of seminar where I'm speaking to a, a, a large amount of people on, um, you know, issues that actually matter, like how to properly be in a caloric deficit without hugely detrimenting your development, right? Because that's something that, um, you know, a lot of people do, is they'll go into these steep, steep 1,000 calorie deficits while they're in high school,

• 2:07:53Speaker 00

  and they'll kind of stunt their development at the expense of, of being lean, and that's something that I would like to say, well, listen, guys, there's actually a lot more optimal way to do this. So I want to be doing, uh, you know, content like that, rather than just being an idiot, you know?

• 2:08:07Speaker 03

  You want to give back?

• 2:08:09Speaker 00

  Right, yeah, because, uh, that, that's kind of what I was looking for when I was a kid, and it wasn't really as digestible. Uh, luckily for me, I was able to be super, super neurodivergent, uh, and do all this research and not really talk to anyone in high school, but just a super digestible form of content where a guy is coming up and articulating and summarizing, uh, multiple years of research on how to properly...

• 2:08:34Speaker 03

  But do you have a good team of friends, of people around you that you trust and love and they care about you, or is it people that you just met recently in the last few years that just want to clean, you know, like, the entourage? Because I had that entourage, you know what I mean, but I don't have that entourage now. It's not real.

• 2:08:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, I have about, uh, 14 people that work for me, like, in person now, I think, and yeah, I, I would say that I, I do trust them. It's at a good stage.

• 2:09:00Speaker 03

  Good.

• 2:09:00Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what feedback would you give him? Last question before we wrap. What feedback would you give him as a guy that's now in your 50s?

• 2:09:06Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:09:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Who in your 20s, you see somebody going through this, what, what feedback would you give Clav, if any?

• 2:09:10Speaker 03

  I give him a lot of, a lot of credit for what he's created. I also see a, a, a kid out there as a father, you know, I can, I can relate to, you know, raising my children, who is very insecure. He's a good soul. He, he means well. He doesn't want to hurt anybody. He's very smart, intellectual. He reads, he knows his stuff, which is good, and he wants to give back. Um, so I, all, all attributes that I give him credit for. I really, I, I like this kid.

• 2:09:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's why I like, um, I, I did see like the one, the one clip at first that was maybe not so positive, um, because a lot of what you see of, of me is like out of context stuff, uh, that makes me look crazy.

• 2:09:45Speaker 03

  I see through that, bro. I, I, I've been around a long, I can see you're a good soul.

• 2:09:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's like...

• 2:09:48Speaker 03

  You've got a good heart.

• 2:09:48Speaker 00

  I, I've never really had an experience where I actually like sat down and talked to someone and actually like explained my, my mentality, my philosophy.

• 2:09:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:56Speaker 00

  And it, it be negative, so that's why I was like, yeah, let's, let's talk about this and...

• 2:10:00Speaker 03

  We can definitely hang out. I can hang out with this kid anyway.

• 2:10:01Speaker 00

  100%, bro.

• 2:10:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I appreciate you guys. Clav, stick around for a minute. Antonio, thank you so much for this.

• 2:10:07Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:10:07Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 2:10:07Speaker 03

  My pleasure.

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