Charlie Kirk's Killer Identified As Tyler Robinson | BREAKING NEWS | PBD Podcast | Ep. 647

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick react to the fatal shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University as the FBI announces the shooter, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, Trump’s demand for the death penalty in key cases, and Israel’s controversial airstrike in Qatar that struck Hamas negotiators and sparked global outrage. ------ 🇺🇸 ANGRY PATRIOT COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3PTi0eO 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:08Speaker 02

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever sign, right here.

• 1:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one-on-one?

• 1:18Speaker 02

  I send you right there.

• 1:19Speaker 00

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So, this morning, I get a manect from a fellow who sends me this message with a quote. And I want to read it to you. This came from a man named Jason Doran Onmanect. He says, "The tyrant dies, and his rule is over. The martyr dies, and his rule begins." This is by Soren Kirkegaard. So I read this quote, and I'm thinking to myself. Because yesterday, while we're at Universal Studios last night, you know, we're at the Vault Conference. It ends, we have almost... Eight thousand people in the room. The emotions are high. Everyone's talking to each other. Nobody wants to leave. Nobody want to leave this event.

• 2:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're asking, so what do you think is gonna happen with Charlie after Turning Point USA? You know, you think the team is gonna continue? You think it's gonna break apart and it's gonna be different factions? You think young guys gonna be inspired? And I see young kids over there. And then, two nights ago, I'm speaking to my son. And I can tell he's having a hard time. When the day even event happened. He's back at home, I'm talking to him, "How you feeling about this?" He says, "Dad, Charlie Kirk died." I said, "I understand." I said, "But how do you feel about this?" He can't even talk. And Tico's not the type...

• 2:39Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:39Patrick Bet-David?

  That can't talk. He can talk.

• 2:43Patrick Bet-David?

  What a weird last forty-eight hours this has been. We got so many stories to go through specifically. Obviously, we're gonna spend most of the time today on Charlie Kirk. We got a few other stories. That we'll get into. I think it's appropriate for us to discuss. The stabbing because we haven't fully gotten into it. That could be a part of the cause of what happened. Maybe one of the reasons why this took place. Especially the way the media reacted to it. So we have to talk about that. The bombing of Qatar by Israel and a story by Washington Post saying Trump had a heated call with Netanyahu over what happened. The Van Jones calling the shooter being mentally ill.

• 3:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And then you have a bunch of other things that's going on here on stories that we have that we'll get into. Capitalism support among Americans drops to fifty-four percent. And Sam Altman sits down with Tucker Carlson and Tucker Carlson flat out asks him on how one of his former employees died. Was it suicide? And he says, "Are you accusing me of murder?" It's a very uncomfortable moment. And then Tucker also had a moment with Mark Cuban about Ukraine saying, "What do you think we should do with Ukraine? I think we should help them. How much money have you sent to them?" "None." "So why do you want us to help the country where your family is from? Well, you haven't sent any money. Why should we?" Valid question. We'll play that clip. And maybe a few other clips. But before we get started, guys, as we're going through this. And...

• 4:12Patrick Bet-David?

  If you at all at this point are feeling angry and you relate to guys like Vinny, when we call Vinny, or Tom calls Vinny, "The Angry Patriot", and that stuck since that day till today, and you're in that community as well, you may want to go to VTmerch.com and place an order on Angry Patriot. We're gonna put the link below, Rob, on the Angry Patriot, the hats, the shirts, there's a bunch of gear there. For people to understand what is really going on, these emotions are real. People are really, are experiencing many different emotions today. We have people that are, you know, in one moment you're feeling good, next moment you're like, "Wait a minute, what just happened?", next moment back to normal again. Everyone's in the middle of it.

• 4:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I call this, uh, top four worst assassinations we've had in the last 70 years. You got John F. Kennedy at the top, and you know, you don't want to rank situations like this, but he was a president. And you have RFK, his brother, second, and then you have MLK, and then you have Charlie Kirk. To me, Charlie Kirk is the equivalent of MLK. So, when D.L. Hughley says, "He's not even a politician", neither was MLK, but he was a figure that we will forever remember. And just like you'll see, a lot of young folks for many years, I always had a poster or a painting of Martin Luther King in my offices, you're gonna see for decades, Charlie Kirk posters and paintings in offices,

• 5:36Patrick Bet-David?

  because he impacted a lot of young people's lives. So, let's get into the story here. President Trump just comes out earlier this morning, a matter of fact, a few minutes ago, saying that the shooter, his father, encouraged him to go turn himself in. Here's President Trump.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  Essentially, uh, went to the father, went to a US Marshal, who was fantastic, by the way, and the person was involved with law enforcement, but was a person of faith, a minister, and brought him to a US Marshal, who was fantastic, and the father convinced the son, "This is it", and again, I'm always subject to be corrected, but, you know, I'm just giving you, based on what I'm hearing, uh, they'll give you a much more active... I just heard about it five minutes before I walked in. As I'm walking in, they said... Looking real good. They have the person that they wanted. So, uh, you have breaking news, don't you, huh?

• 6:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you. So, while this is happening, yesterday, we were told, Cash Patel tweeted us, and we have the subject, and they released the guy. At first, we were told it was that old man saying, "Shoot me, shoot me, shoot me." Rob, if you have that clip of the man saying that, and everyone's like, "Oh, my God, it's this guy. We got him," and apparently, it's not him, right? So now, they're saying they have him. You heard, obviously, the president saying, he thinks, they told him five minutes ago, so we may not even know the whole story, but Rob, go ahead and play this clip.

• 7:07Adam Sosnick?

  (muffled) Shoot me. Shoot me. You don't know if it's him or not.

• 7:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Who would say, "Shoot me"? Who would say that? Who would say, "Shoot me"?

• 7:18Tom Ellsworth?

  A troubled guy who is there to be part of a counter protest. It seems like a troubled guy, you know?

• 7:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So, so, you have, you have that going on. You had J.D. Vance yesterday, when they are, uh, um, moving his casket. J.D. Vance is there, taking him on Air Force Two. Go ahead, Rob.

• 8:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So you can imagine when this is taking place. President Trump speaks with Charlie Kirk's wife, Rob, I think you have a clip on that as well, saying, you know, how totally devastated she is. Can you imagine what Erica's going through right now with two kids? At 31 years old, her husband is gone. Okay, those kids are gonna, for the rest of their lives, say, "Who's your father?" Charlie Kirk, my dad's no longer here. Why? You're gonna have to try to explain that to yourself on why that took place.

• 8:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I can only imagine the pain she is going through. Our prayers are with her and her family. But at the same time while this is going on, you see the opposing side. Here's what some had to say on this event. Don Jr., when it happened, "I love you, brother. You gave so many people the courage to speak up and will never be silenced." RFK Jr., "Once again, a bullet has silenced the most eloquent truth teller of an era." My dear friend Charlie Kirk,

• 9:24Patrick Bet-David?

  uh, my dear friend Charlie Kirk was our country's relentless and courageous crusader for free speech. We pray for Erica and the children. Charlie is already in paradise. With the angels, we ask his prayers for our country." Netanyahu commented on it. "Charlie Kirk was murdered for speaking the truth and defending freedom." Millet, "The world has lost an incredible human being." President Trump, "The great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead." Greg Abbott, "Charlie's voice was a beacon for millions of young Americans searching for the truth, courage, and conviction." Megyn Kelly, "We have lost one of the most important voices that we've had in our lifetime." And this continues going on. By the way, on the opposing side, people may be on the other side. Here's what Pritzker had to say.

• 10:09Patrick Bet-David?

  "President's rhetoric often foments violence." Democratic Senator Murphy, "Trump has to answer for creating pessimism, pessimism for violence." Left has done that too. Joe Biden, "There's no place in our country for this kind of violence." Barack Obama, "We don't yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy." Kamala Harris, "I'm deeply disturbed by the shooting in Utah."

• 10:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And this goes on. And then you have some that if you watch these, Rob, I don't know if you have the Ilhan Omar clip with Mehdi Hassan, you may want to watch this, folks. I'm just telling you it's gonna upset you a little bit. Go ahead and play this clip, Rob.

• 10:52Speaker 08

  What I do know for sure is that, you know, Charlie was someone who once said, you know, guns save lives after a school shooting. Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd in the hands of Minneapolis police.

• 11:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he called him a scumbag.

• 11:18Speaker 08

  Right, have no regard, downplay slavery and what black people have gone through in this country by saying Juneteenth should never exist. And I think, you know, there are a lot of people who are out there talking about him just wanting to have a civil debate.

• 11:37Patrick Bet-David?

  A complete rewriting of history.

• 11:40Speaker 08

  Yeah, there is nothing more effed up, you know, like than to completely pretend that, you know, his words and actions have not been recorded and in existence for the last decade or so. And

• 12:01Adam Sosnick?

  Can I just say one thing about these two people? Here, this is why you gotta love America and also feel very uneasy about America. Here are two people who are not born in America, who fundamentally want to change America, who hate what America is actually even founded on. And because of who we are as a country, they have the ability to say, no, no, no, no, no, no. We want to reinvent America and what it is today. The disrespect that they can't even acknowledge that a man was assassinated. And immediately they go to, well, he said this, he said this, almost like he had it coming. Only in America, two people that we brought in from another side of the world, from Somalia, and I believe the UK, I want to say.

• 12:43Adam Sosnick?

  To come in and criticize the foundation of America, only in America.

• 12:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and by the way, Vinny, your thoughts when you hear Ilhan Omar, how do you process this?

• 12:51Speaker 09

  Man, you want to talk about what makes me be an angry patriot? It's because of stuff like that, the tone deaf, like in a moment where somebody was literally shot, murdered, assassinated, and I love how, we'll talk about it later, about D.L. Hughley and all these people saying, "It's not, it's not an assassination, he wasn't a political figure." Really? Really? He wasn't in the top two reasons why Donald Trump won, especially with the, with the young vote, with what he was doing in colleges? Give me a break, and I love that you pointed it out. This country's freaking the greatest country in the history of the world, and we still have to let people like this say what they're gonna say? No, no consequences, just speak your mind, but the, the lack of empathy, the lack of caring that,

• 13:34Speaker 09

  "Bro, the guy was shot in the neck and bled out with his wife and his children in the area." Okay, and then these, and that's, this is the rhetoric, and let's, let's be honest, you guys know what he stood for, Pat. We, we, we knew Charlie, okay? What, what would he do? First of all, first and foremost, he fought for his faith, for, for Jesus Christ. Unapologetic, he didn't water it down because of freaking culture. He brought the Bible into politics, and he, and he started waking up the youth. He went hard on being pro-life, he believed America is worth saving, and he empowered the next generation. And that's what he gets. He gets shot in the freaking neck, and then you have losers like this. Ilhan Omar, who, who hates America, they hate America. They hate anybody speaking up for America to try to save it.

• 14:17Speaker 09

  This is the, this is the other side that we always talk about. The people that hate this place, that want to destroy it. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry, as much as I call these people evil and all this stuff, they're not gonna win. They're not gonna win because God's light is too, too bright, period.

• 14:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree. Tom, your thoughts?

• 14:32Tom Ellsworth?

  So, well, as I've said, and it bothers me, the price of free speech is free speech. It doesn't bother me having free speech, it bothers me at these moments, because you have three types of liberals that are out there right now. Those that are saying what they think in broad daylight. And it's exactly what they think like Omar, who does not, she has such a voting block there. She does not have to worry about reelection. She only has to worry about criticism. And so she's going to go out and go hard on this as she did. Then you have the liberals that are posturing a bit and being very careful. Cause they know it's an extremely dangerous situation. If they say something. They wave the flag and they let you know how they feel, but they're being super careful about it.

• 15:15Tom Ellsworth?

  And then the last group is ones that are hiding or not saying anything. But that's the liberals, but the price of free speech is free speech. And this is what the founding fathers didn't want the government to suppress. One way or the other, but it can anger you and there can be consequences, big consequences.

• 15:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to ask you a question, Tom. I want to ask you a question.

• 15:36Tom Ellsworth?

  This is also a person that chose the incestuous path to citizenship.

• 15:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, yesterday this was taking place. Okay.

• 15:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You know TMZ comes out and everybody around the world. Finds out when the phone alert Charlie Kirk is dead. Right? Your phone is blown up. No matter where you are, your phone is blown up with text messages. Saying Charlie Kirk is dead. This is Harvey who runs TMZ. It's a place known, I've been inside that place. It's a place that's known for having cameras everywhere. That's what you're known for. You're talking live all the time. Right? That's what TMZ is known for. You have cameras everywhere. That's your business model. That's how you blew up.

• 16:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I was with you in every corner of every room. They capture every reaction.

• 16:27Patrick Bet-David?

  That you remember that. There's cameras everywhere. So perfect. If you're telling me there's cameras everywhere. And then this is how they react employees of TMZ. When the announcement is made that Charlie Kirk has died and then listen to his explanation afterwards. Go ahead, Rob.

• 16:47Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the announcement, exact second it was announced.

• 16:50Speaker 10

  Go to...

• 16:51Patrick Bet-David?

  We're live streaming all day. Oh Rob, I don't want you to show that. I actually want you to show the whole thing. There's another clip that I have that I posted in the notes, Rob. I don't know if you see that one or not. Is this the one, Pat? The one from Instagram. Play that one because I want people to see 10 seconds prior to that to see how it goes. Watch this.

• 17:09Speaker 10

  Guess is, we're gonna see an image of this guy.

• 17:12Patrick Bet-David?

  They're just live streaming.

• 17:14Speaker 10

  Possibly in the next 20 minutes. The news conference is scheduled for 3 o'clock in Utah time, which is 2 o'clock Pacific. 5 o'clock Eastern. Janet, go...

• 17:29Patrick Bet-David?

  The announcement is made.

• 17:32Patrick Bet-David?

  They realize how embarrassing this is. His partner's going to the back to tell everybody to be quiet.

• 17:37Speaker 10

  Have somebody look at the Fox...

• 17:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, somebody go back.

• 17:42Speaker 10

  Look, Trump just posted that Charlie Kirk is dead.

• 17:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you're right, Pat. He went to the back to go to shut the hell up. Yeah, yeah. So now watch, now...

• 17:50Speaker 10

  What did Trump say?

• 17:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, forget about this, Rob. Now go to... So the second... So then what do they do? Can you... If they go on chat GPT, can you tell me exactly at this time that there was another crisis that took place in California for us to say that we were reacting to? They make the argument that they're reacting to... Not you, Rob. I'm saying that's what they did. So they make the argument later on. Do you have the video of them saying what they were reacting to? Yeah, him and the pressure guy. Yeah. And so this is when they're looking at it. Watch this here, folks.

• 18:22Speaker 10

  We're live streaming all day during this tragedy. When something happened in our office. As we were reporting the assassination of Charlie Kirk. There were some people in the back room away from our news desk here who were watching a car chase. And they were laughing, they were clapping, and you could hear it out here. And...

• 18:52Speaker 10

  We want to make a couple of things clear. One is that I know these people and they were not laughing. Yeah. They were not reacting that way about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Yeah. They were not. They would not work here if they did. And that being said, we acknowledge that it was horrible timing. And for that, we are sorry. We apologize. We apologize. We got caught. You had to hear that. And I get why if you're watching the stream, you may have felt that that's what the laughter was about. We assure you, it was not about that. When the laughter was cheering, dude. But it was horrible timing. And by the way, I get it too. Do you believe them?

• 19:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait a minute. Wait a minute. So they're saying a car chase. This is the car chase. Let us just show you and you tell me if you believe them. Go ahead, Rob.

• 19:40Speaker 10

  Yeah, let's find it.

• 19:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me if this is the kind of a car chase that you would celebrate and scream. Tell me if it's that euphoric. Go ahead, Rob.

• 19:51Speaker 11

  We're showing you right there on the banner below. You can see it started in Temple City. And we saw that.

• 19:57Speaker 10

  Twenty-five miles an hour. Well, I wanted to let you know that President Trump has said Charlie Kirk has died. So that is the breaking news that we are likely about to have with ABC News. He was shot in Utah at a college there. We've been talking about that throughout the afternoon here.

• 20:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Pause, Rob. Okay, so he's not lying. They are watching a car chase and they are reacting to a car chase because the announcer on the car chase said that Charlie Kirk is dead.

• 20:26Speaker 10

  Thank you.

• 20:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So Harvey is essentially in his mind, while we're not lying, go back 20 seconds again, Rob, and watch what happens. Go back a little bit more. Go, go, go, go, go. Right there. Watch what the announcer said. Here's the car chase that they're talking about. Temple City. Go ahead.

• 20:42Speaker 04

  That President Trump has said Charlie Kirk has died. So that is the breaking news that we are likely about to have with ABC News.

• 20:50Adam Sosnick?

  So.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  He was shot.

• 20:52Adam Sosnick?

  So they're watching the car chase. The announcer announces Charlie Kirk's dead. And it seems like in all likelihood, that's when they cheer. You tell me what. There's nothing exciting going on there. While that second the car chase. This isn't OJ Simpson and the White Broncos. Exactly.

• 21:05Speaker 09

  Pat, that, I'm sorry, that, the, the, first of all, disgusting of who they are, what TMZ, like, somebody, an ex-employee's claims, these are claims all over that I saw an ex, that the, the newsroom was filled with hateful, angry, progressive energy, and he said it would, without question, laugh at Charlie Kirk getting shot. Shame on them, shame on them for lying, shame, like, have the balls to just tell the truth. You know what, guys, we're freaking leftist, we're progressive, you know what, Charlie is a voice that says stuff that we don't like. We are happy that he was shot in the freaking neck in front of his family.

• 21:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know, I don't know if it's the entire organization, let me tell you.

• 21:46Speaker 09

  No, I'm saying what this, this guy's saying, it's filled with hateful, angry progressives.

• 21:49Patrick Bet-David?

  And I believe that.

• 21:50Speaker 09

  Yes.

• 21:51Patrick Bet-David?

  That I believe.

• 21:52Speaker 09

  This is the guy, Pat.

• 21:53Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I, I believe, I believe that, that exists.

• 21:56Speaker 09

  Yes.

• 21:57Patrick Bet-David?

  That those types of people are in there, this is the question I want to ask all of you guys. Do you believe Harvey's happy that Charlie Kirk is dead? I don't believe so.

• 22:05Adam Sosnick?

  I don't think that that's his personality.

• 22:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you believe the guy to the right, believe Charlie, he's happy Charlie Kirk is dead?

• 22:10Adam Sosnick?

  I don't think those two guys.

• 22:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I think the guy on the right is actually fairly reasonable. They're probably both on the left, but I don't think they're happy Charlie Kirk is dead. The question I want to ask you is the following, here's a question I want to ask you, okay? You said the price of freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

• 22:26Adam Sosnick?

  That's right.

• 22:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, fair.

• 22:30Patrick Bet-David?

  We're not happy by the way those employees reacted. They're celebrating. These guys are not telling the truth. Harvey, respectfully, you're not telling the truth. You're telling the truth that they reacted to a car chase. Yes, but they reacted to what the announcer on the car chase said, not the actual car chase. There was nothing exciting happen at the same exact second, the same exact minute to have that kind of a euphoric reaction. Okay, that's absolutely embarrassing. If you have all the cameras all over the place, that's your business model. Show the camera footage, you have it. What were they reacting to? You have the camera footage in the back. Everywhere in that facility has cameras. Number two, what should happen to those people in the back that were celebrating?

• 23:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You're operating the company. You find out somebody is celebrating that, what should happen to those people?

• 23:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, first of all, that behavior is despicable. Freedom of speech is a man coming to a podium expressing his views and you don't like it. Omar going with a reporter, expressing her views and we don't like it. And there's consequences, you could get unelected, there's a lot of things that could happen. That is despicable behavior. And that kind of thing, you're employed by somebody and there are standards of behavior. There is freedom of speech, you know, at, um, at value attainment, just like there is at every company. Pat, I hate you, I don't like working for you and I think you're a horrible- You don't need to say public. Horrible leader. And guess what? You know what that means? You're fired! We can say, okay, well, I'm sorry that you, uh, have that opinion. That's pretty despicable behavior and that's a despicable opinion.

• 24:04Tom Ellsworth?

  So guess what? You're fired, you don't have to work here.

• 24:06Patrick Bet-David?

  What should happen here?

• 24:07Tom Ellsworth?

  I think he should do it, because I think there's an irony here. My take on this is an irony. Harvey has made his career on busting celebrities that lie when they're arrested. And then this video, that video, this person, that person. And then they bust them, they go, no, no, no. Here's what really happened. And now Harvey's in the middle of it, right there, busted and sitting there in front of the spotlight. The same way he puts celebrities and other people in front of the spotlight and would say, that's not what happened. TMZ got you, we paid an informant, we got this. And so, this is, he is not taking a leadership position in his company-

• 24:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the problem.

• 24:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Against the despicable behavior.

• 24:44Patrick Bet-David?

  But here's the question. The problem to me here- Is the way he handled it. That's the only problem I have because this is how MSNBC handled it. We're not ones that wakes up in the morning saying MSNBC makes all the right decisions in the world with the values and principles they stand for. Low probability. Watch what happened here. Go ahead, Rob.

• 25:04Speaker 12

  But following up what was just said, he's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this. Who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.

• 25:26Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened MSNBC afterwards? What did they do to that guy? He got fired. So you can love or hate MSNBC. What did MSNBC say? Hate doesn't, is not allowed in our company. MSNBC fires Matthew Dowd after Charlie Kirk shooting comments reports say TMZ Harvey, you have to make this good. I'm one that actually watched some of the stuff that you've done over the years and it's actually good. I agree. For you to defend and lie about what they reacted to, you lost so much credibility with me. So much credibility with me for you to behave that way. This is not the right type of way to behave. You know, your guy in the back was celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.

• 26:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what the company represents? If you fully claim your lady in the back that was screaming or the employees that were screaming. Sounded like a few of them. Show the videos. I want to see them. I want to see the videos of what happened in the back. But you're seeing some of this stuff and here's the challenge. This obviously raises your temperature. This obviously upsets you. This obviously gets you to say, you gotta be kidding me. Don Lemon, Rob, is out there and he's doing his, what is this? Man on the street. Man on the street stuff. And he goes up to a guy, there's two of them, Rob. The one I want you to pull up is the one that's the gentleman talking about, not this one, but the other one. The one where the fellow is saying, well, I'm kind of glad it happened.

• 26:54Patrick Bet-David?

  This is what happens when you go out there and do this and. Was it the gay guy, Pat? Yeah, it's the gay guy. It's, uh, uh, do you know which one I'm talking about, Rob? I'm looking for it right now. See if you can find it. Uh, no, no, you just had to go back. No, go back. Go back. It's the one on the, that one right there. 203. Go for it.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do.

• 27:14Speaker 13

  What do you think of what happened to him?

• 27:15Speaker 02

  You know, sometimes revenge is a dish best served cold. I hate to celebrate someone's death, but when you talk about gun's rights and you talk about how much the second amendment matters to you and it impacts you, like, what do you expect?

• 27:27Speaker 13

  Wow.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Sympathies to his family, but this is why we need gun control.

• 27:32Speaker 13

  One of my friends said on social media, "He died in a world that he wanted."

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said it himself, right?

• 27:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So pause this up and then go to the other Don Lemon clip.

• 27:42Speaker 13

  What up?

• 27:43Patrick Bet-David?

  And then, Don, you wonder why people react like this sometimes when they see you. The guy's wearing a cross.

• 27:50Speaker 13

  How you doing, sir? Can we talk to you? Where you from? Do you live in New York?

• 27:54Speaker 14

  Who are you?

• 27:55Speaker 13

  Don Lemon.

• 27:56Speaker 14

  You're a fucking moron, dude.

• 27:57Speaker 13

  Thank you, so are you.

• 27:58Speaker 14

  Yeah, that's very nice of you to say. Except you've never heard anything I've had to say, and I've heard a whole bunch of what you have to say.

• 28:04Speaker 13

  I'm glad you watched me.

• 28:06Speaker 14

  No, I don't.

• 28:07Speaker 13

  Why?

• 28:07Speaker 14

  But you just get clipped everywhere.

• 28:09Speaker 13

  I know, but why don't you? You said you don't watch me, but you know who I am and I get clipped.

• 28:14Speaker 14

  Before I realized that CNN and MSNBC were full of shit, every once in a while I'd see you talking. I watch all sorts of stuff.

• 28:21Speaker 13

  Yeah, but why do you say CNN and MSNBC are full of shit?

• 28:24Speaker 14

  Because they lie.

• 28:25Speaker 13

  How did, but about what? Be specific. What's everything?

• 28:28Speaker 09

  Are they in Canada? Are they in Canada right there? Where is he? Because that guy has an English accent, but from the looks of it, I don't even know if he's in the United States. Is he in New York? He's in New York City, buddy. Well, wherever it is, that's such a freaking great moment. And first of all, Don Lemon, you want to talk about a fall from grace? This guy was one of the top CNN anchors, and your ass is in the street, putting a mic in people's faces, and he's getting handled, and it makes me so freaking happy. And Pat, it's not, I know we're gonna get into it, it's not just that. The majority of the people that I've seen out there on the left, from TMZ to that, to him, to that guy, to even Don Lemon, do you think Don Lemon is pissed off, or upset, or sad that Charlie was shot? Absolutely not. It's everywhere. It's everywhere.

• 29:10Speaker 09

  My cousin's wife was posting something about the Second Amendment, and she put "Yes", like, all yes, that he was shot and killed. These are people that are in my family, okay?

• 29:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me?

• 29:21Speaker 09

  I swear to you, and I, Pat, because I'm trying, yes, I'm the angry patriot.

• 29:25Patrick Bet-David?

  On Instagram?

• 29:26Speaker 09

  On Instagram, my brother and them sent me the story, I'm gonna show it to you.

• 29:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Dagulud.

• 29:30Speaker 09

  You have no idea, this is my first cousin's wife, alright? These people, I'm telling you right now, they are captured, captured by the devil, Pat. And I'm not, I'm not being facetious, okay? And I've said this multiple times about Ephesians, uh, chapter 6, verse 12. It's not flesh and blood, it's principalities, it's evil. And these people have been captured, they don't even know. Pat, when they walk around, they say stuff like this, and you have kids of all walks of life cheering, chanting, shot in the neck, and happy that a human being was shot for, for, for speaking, just speaking, you know what I mean? If, guess what? If you don't like what he say, go in there and battle him, go in there and debate him. The left, they have nothing, they have to silence us with death, they have to shoot us

• 30:15Speaker 09

  because they can't argue with us. And the devil, I'm telling you guys, it's evil, and these people have been, they don't even know that they're captured, Tommy, they don't know that they're, I don't want to say possessed. How can you, how can you walk around and do that? And I'm gonna show you, once Tom says this thing, what these people are about.

• 30:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, the greatest trick the devil pulled off is convincing people he doesn't exist. You know, the evil creeps in on little cat feet, you know, the fog creeps in on little cat feet. I think it was Walt Whitman talking about San Francisco. But guess what? Evil also creeps in that way. It's a little here, it's a little there, and all of a sudden, your worldview, and that's my concern, the worldview they have is on a foundation of deep evil flaw. It's deep flaws that they don't see as evil. And they're talking about the other side, and by the way, this goes back to activism in America. Activism in America in the 1960s, you had this horrible war, the Vietnam War, that was

• 31:10Tom Ellsworth?

  un, un, people are being drafted for a terrible war, and people lost trust in the government. But guess what also happened there? Activism, that provided the fertile, fertile crescent of activism in the United States. And Saul Alinsky and others were out there saying, hey, accuse the other side of what you're doing. And when, Vinny, when you do that, you appear to have the moral high ground, and then, when you have the media, all but one leg of the media you have that are willing to propagate that, then you have this whole... ...generation that says, "I guess this is right. I guess I am a victim. I guess this is the problem. I guess this is here." And then the hate builds up in them because they're being taught to hate, they're being taught divisiveness, and they're being led through

• 31:52Tom Ellsworth?

  it. It got worse under Barack Obama's administration, but I don't blame him for starting it, but he poured more gas on it. And Pelosi poured more gas on it. And they say, "Well..." And then today they want to say, "Oh, well, listen to the divisive comments of Donald Trump." I don't agree with everything he said, and I think presidential leaders have an opportunity to turn down the heat. But to your point, people that have a flawed worldview platform end up downstream in the lake of hate and bitterness, and that's what you're seeing. Adam, what are you thinking?

• 32:24Adam Sosnick?

  So, I just want to kind of give a couple of thoughts. Uh, here's an article I want to talk about. "The Democrats Are the Extremists Today." So, I'm in Miami, and I'm having a conversation with these three girls that are in town from DC. And I say, "Oh, DC, it turns out they work for John Fetterman." And we end up having a conversation. I go, "Fetterman, you know, he's actually like a more conservative Democrat. It's interesting to see his positions." She goes, "Well, yeah, I'm actually from West Virginia." I go, "Joe Manchin, that's my guy." We start having this conversation. I said, "You know, I used to be more of a Democrat, and then I saw how insane the Democratic Party became, and I could no longer support that, and I'm one of the staunch advocates of the MAGA movement at this point, America First, because it's just common sense." She goes, "How could

• 33:09Adam Sosnick?

  you say something like that? MAGA are the extremists." I go, "Really? Uh, if I showed you data that would disprove your argument, would you believe me?" She goes, "Depends where the data is from." I go, "Well, you know, Pew, Quinnipiac, these are pretty reputable sources here." I said, "Republicans and Democrats 20 years ago used to be right here, right here." I go, "Where do you think Republicans have moved? Where do you think of Democrats?" She goes, "Republicans, MAGA, they're over here now. Democrats, maybe they're gonna left." I go, "It's exactly the opposite." Republicans, I don't know if you can show this, there's a chart there, there's a graph. Republicans have moved a little bit further to the right. In that article, Rob. Republicans have moved over a little further to the right. By the way, this is from 2017.

• 33:54Adam Sosnick?

  It has gone even further. Democrats have gone so far to the left, their party is completely unrecognizable. So you have an average person, this is the backbone of what Charlie was talking about. When he would go to colleges, and we had a conversation with him at Turning Point, I said, "Young men in high school and in college are becoming way more conservative." He goes, "'Cause they see what's going on here." So, to the extremist's point of view out there, there's only one party that has become completely extreme. And that's the party that has no idea the difference between a man and a woman, is the party that has open borders, is the party of chaos at this point.

• 34:32Speaker 09

  Adam, great point, and if you don't mind, I have to, it's when you take out God, okay? And let's be real, Charlie was the number, his biggest thing was God and Jesus Christ, okay? And there's no in-between, guys. There's no more, "I'm kind of on the fence, Jesus." No, either you're here, and you believe in God, and you believe Jesus Christ, or you're over here. There's no in-between, okay? And that's the freaking war that we're in right now. This is the battle that we're talking about. And you named it, Adam. And yesterday, how many people did me and you talk to, well, I'm talking to people, and some of them were kind of leaning, you know, middle, a little left? And I'm like, "Tell me what that side stands for." Okay, just please, please, give me something that if you were running on, what would it be?

• 35:14Speaker 09

  Because from what I see it, the majority is, they're pro-abortion, they're celebrating assassination, okay? If you're a kid, they will happily give hormones and all that crap to mess up with their freaking bodies, to make money. They're pro-open border, they're weaponizing the Department of Justice, they don't give a sh- I don't, give me something. Please, give me something that these people are about. And once you take out God, they've been fighting for this whole time to take out God, and then when somebody gets- murdered, they're celebrating it. So which party is that? Which side, which side? If, if the devil came right now and had to pick a Republican or Democrat, which one would it be?

• 35:49Tom Ellsworth?

  They don't have an anchor, they don't have a foundation. It's a, they don't have a worldview. That is based in, in undeniable and unmoving, uh, truth. They don't have that. They are looking for victims. Victims become voting blocks. Voting blocks become elections. Elections become power. That is the bottom line of it. And everything you see on this is the sausage making that leads to it.

• 36:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me show you this, uh, because this is what they're saying the shooter is. The shooter they're saying is a guy named, uh, Tyler Robinson, twenty-two, twenty-two years old. Just a few minutes ago. That's the face. That's the killer. That's the shooter. Apparently the pastor and the father were able to persuade him to go in. If you see the clip. Rob, there's a couple of things while he's on the rooftop, uh, after he shoots, he is.

• 36:39Speaker 09

  Allegedly, right? This is the guy.

• 36:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, allegedly is what they're saying, but this is the White House giving us the info. So while he's up there, if you see him all the way up top, go to play that clip, Rob.

• 36:50Speaker 15

  Is he laying down? So there's somebody on the roof right there? Just saying. He just ran from, uh, over, where's my finger? From over there.

• 37:02Speaker 09

  Instead of reporting, how about calling the cops?

• 37:03Speaker 15

  No, he's right there. Just saying.

• 37:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, while that's happening, while that's happening, there's another clip of him while he's trying to jump off the roof.

• 37:16Speaker 09

  And he hurts himself?

• 37:16Patrick Bet-David?

  He hurts himself and he starts limping. So he literally starts limping and he's seen in many different clips by ring, what do you call the ring cameras?

• 37:26Tom Ellsworth?

  And the parking lot security.

• 37:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Of him limping, having a hard time walking. And, and obviously at this point for me, uh, uh, yeah, that's him right there. That's apparently the shooter. But did you, do you have the other clip, Rob of, uh, him that jumps off, watch, that's TMZ, it's so funny. Do you have the one of him jumping off the fence? And he hurts himself with the leg when he tries to jump off the top of the rooftop? I don't know if you have that clip or not. Yeah, if you can find that. And this is leading to one video that I found, which is kind of weird. So at this point, if you've seen the clips, um.

• 38:02Patrick Bet-David?

  If you've seen the clip, that's the one right there, Rob. Yeah, so that's him. Oh, but that's after he jumps the fence.

• 38:07Speaker 09

  The one before it is, there it is, Pat. I mean, Rob, you can zoom into that. He's on the top right of that building. If you, if you guys are watching, right there, he's gonna run to right there. There he is. What an idiot. No, no escape plan, so you're gonna jump two stories. Look. He dropped some stuff here. Boom. His jacket.

• 38:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Where's the gun?

• 38:29Speaker 09

  And then, he probably left it. Watch, it was wrapped in a towel allegedly. And then look at this idiot.

• 38:33Tom Ellsworth?

  The gun was found in the woods with a footprint.

• 38:35Speaker 09

  Boom. Good, I hope he broke his ankle.

• 38:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And he's limping now.

• 38:38Speaker 09

  Good. Good for you.

• 38:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so that's that. Now-

• 38:43Tom Ellsworth?

  This guy was the son of a minister, is what we're telling?

• 38:46Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no. His father and a minister apparently influenced him. Rob, can you pull up the story?

• 38:53Tom Ellsworth?

  So the father is not a minister?

• 38:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, uh, reading to see what persuaded him. Jumping out, I think we have a high degree of certainty. Go a little bit lower, Rob, if you could. Go a little bit lower, a little, because we saw this clip. Officials involved in investigation to shooting co-founder. Can you go to see if Cash Patel has tweeted anything out yet? Has Cash tweeted anything out yet? There's another clip of... There's another clip of the, the gentleman that was standing behind Charlie Kirk. Okay? There's a gentleman standing behind Charlie Kirk. Rob, if you can do the one I, I gave you with-

• 39:27Speaker 09

  Oh, yeah?

• 39:28Patrick Bet-David?

  The one, that's the one right there, yes. Watch this. So what is, watch the man in the back with the hand signals. Actually, no, not this clip, Rob. It's the one that says what it means. It's, it's, this is the one I'm gonna send you, because those are military signals.

• 39:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, shooting range training signals, right?

• 39:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I just sent you this one, Rob. If you can play, play this one here. This, just watch this. Okay, and again, we're not gonna be playing the clip of how he got shot, the blood. If you've seen it, you've seen it. And if you're like, yeah, I'm going and showing it to everybody around you, you know. You, you, you know, here, here's, here's this clip. Watch this one here, and watch the man in the back with the phone. Watch him very closely.

• 40:09Speaker 16

  Who served in the military are a little bit aware of hand signals being thrown up. And these two men need to really be looked into.

• 40:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Sniper?

• 40:20Speaker 16

  With some of the sniper-looking signals, especially from the... Especially coming from the guy in the white and the guy in the black.

• 40:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Touching the side of the face of a military context often rubbing the cheeks, a hand signal to indicate, go back Rob, let me read that whole thing. Indicate, go back Rob. Indicate the president male individual, some years suggesting touching the chest and again feel, okay, keep going? Yeah.

• 40:52Patrick Bet-David?

  It's explaining. A single hand, body, but the palm down or moving in horizontal, it means commence firing. When executed rapidly, it means to increase the rate of fire. When executed slowly, it means to decrease the rate of fire. Okay, keep it going?

• 41:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Huh.

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• 42:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 42:14Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the next thing? The left arm crossing the torso, military hand signal to indicate imminent danger. Or torso, different depending on the context of military, the most common interpretation imminent danger? Signal rest. Crossing the hand or arms repeatedly cross the chest.

• 42:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep going, Rob? Now, this could be a couple of different things. First place that your mind goes to is, he's telling the shooter to take the shot. That's one, let's just say. But the other thing could be...

• 42:46Patrick Bet-David?

  The other thing could be this, guys. Let me tell you, the guy in the black is also...

• 42:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Because they're speaking to each other the entire time. See, these are all signals. What are those signals? So this is what, by the way, it happens literally a second after this. So, so. One second. So to me,

• 43:06Patrick Bet-David?

  what are the cha- because it's not hard to investigate who those two people are. The guy in the white and the guy in the black. We have to find out and have the conversations with them. But to me, the question I got is maybe they found out someone's up top.

• 43:20Patrick Bet-David?

  It could either be that, hey, there's danger and they don't want to overreact and they're talking to one another. Can somebody go see what's going on over there? But that doesn't make sense because nobody moved in that direction. And in an instance like that, if you see any kind of threat, the job of your protection, you don't tell them what to do. Their job is to jump and take you out because they're, they're, they're not gonna, even if there's a slight chance of risk, they have to take you outside to protect you. That's what they're gonna be doing. They're not, you're not gonna be waiting on me. You're gonna be like, we gotta roll. It's not gonna be like, no, not right now. Let me finish my speech. No, man, you hired me for this job. Boom, pulling you, we're running. Right?

• 43:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Immediately.

• 43:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Immediately.

• 43:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Smothering cover and then run. If you notice a threat, you jump on Charlie.

• 44:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so I don't think that's what it is. So I, I'm just trying to speculate. I think to me,

• 44:09Patrick Bet-David?

  it gives me more of a vibe of eighty, twenty, you know, dirtiness than it does for something that we're doing to protect.

• 44:19Tom Ellsworth?

  You're saying that based on your probability, you're giving it an inside job indication?

• 44:24Patrick Bet-David?

  If I'm running the FBI, I want to talk to that guy myself. Hell, yeah. I don't want my guys to talk to him. I want to talk to him. I want to talk to those guys. And it could be as simple of an answer that they'll explain and remember, the, our whole system is what? Innocent until proven guilty. But, uh, what are those hand signals? I don't know.

• 44:42Speaker 09

  And can I say one thing too, Pat? We, we have to understand, like whoever this, whoever this suspect is, whoever Tyler is, whatever his background is, and, uh, me and Mike were talking about this earlier. You have to understand this, whoever this, whatever this plan was, whatever this operation was, they had to know, they had to know, number one, Charlie was going to be there. They had to know the schedule, number one. Number You have to know where he was gonna be and that advantage point shooting from high to low. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. That's the easiest way. So this kid who I highly doubt had all this information and all this tactical knowledge to find out. Adam, the timing, where, what time, this is a big campus. How'd you know they were gonna be right there? Okay, and then this goes on the security. You're having this guy sit in the middle of a wide open area.

• 45:27Speaker 09

  And this is where I think like you underestimated the enemy. You underestimated that Charlie, imagine you, and because of all these older videos. You know how many situations where I've seen where Charlie's just sitting there and just all open rooftops? And I understand he's not the president of the United States, but when you speak the truth, you become the enemy to these people. And then this is what happens. So there's, I, I agree with you, Pat. There's a bunch of layers to get to this. How, if they leaked information, if they, if they knew, same thing. Same thing with Butler, same thing with Butler. You have the, the, the ex-president who's trying to be the, the president again. Out there in the open and then all Secret Service, the only thing that happened was Kim Cee-Dee got fired. That's it. Everybody else got a slap on the wrist. Even if he was, God forbid, murdered and assassinated.

• 46:12Speaker 09

  That's all they would have said. Hey, we didn't do our job right.

• 46:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the question though, Tom. You said something very interesting before we went live and I think it's important for you to share with them. So watch the system. We have the shooter. You take him in. Here's who he is. Because who do you think needs the temperature to be lowered more than, who do you think wants the temperature to be lowered more than anybody? Okay, so you take him in. Then what do you walk him through? The system of what happens? If this doesn't happen and we actually are able to interview the shooter and know more about him. Then that means there wasn't any dirty work, right? Tom, you were saying something earlier.

• 46:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, Cooks was shot on the roof. We don't even know if he was the real shooter in, in Pennsylvania.

• 46:56Speaker 09

  And they cleaned up the mess.

• 46:58Tom Ellsworth?

  And then they say they had their garden hoses out on the roof, you know, because they're gonna plant some stuff up there. And then you remember Oswald, Oswald's not press conference, but when they were talking about, hey, he's arrested, he's here, this is what's going on. You had a federal agent from the back of the room calling forward, interrupting, and clarifying the organization that Oswald was allegedly a part of. So we can go back and see so much about Oswald, you know, Patsy, trained by the CIA, working with the CIA. You see it all now in the stuff that's come out. We don't have to say allegedly anymore because we have so much of the stuff there. And we're not Oliver Stone making a conspiracy movie. There are so many things

• 47:39Tom Ellsworth?

  that suddenly are there. So I want to see what happens to this guy. And if he was, so now, I'm gonna go pure speculation. If those guys are feds, and he was identified, trained, and used by the feds, then who called the hit on a future President of the United States that had the ability through his organization and his voice to move elections? Who doesn't want those elections moved? The core establishment? But I want to see, back to Pat's question, I want to see what happens. What do we get to see? Tim McBay, you know, we got to learn a lot about him. A lot about, correct. We learned a lot about him. And there was a lot of things that got uncovered. Now, we're living in a whole different world now of available

• 48:24Tom Ellsworth?

  information and the ability to research. But I, like Pat, I want to see what happens with this guy. Does he hang himself in prison? That would never happen to a suspect of a wide-ranging crime. Oh, oh, oh, wait. So what happens to him? Where do we go and what do we see? Or is this something odd happens and it's quickly cleaned up like Crooks?

• 48:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, when I was on Jesse a couple nights ago, I said, look, respectfully, we don't even know anything about the President Trump shooter. What do we know about it? So we have to kind of start getting answers. We're not getting answers.

• 49:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I want answers about covid. If China released that virus intentionally and unintentionally, do we know that yet? We don't. That opens it up for the next pandemic or the next black swan event. Two, who shot the president in the ear? What happened there? What do we know about this guy? What was the motive? We know nothing there. Three, this right here went with Charlie Kirk, the MLK of the conservative youth movement today. He is the equivalent of MLK. You can say whatever, some could even say he's bigger than MLK because of social media, because of what's going on with social media and how messages go viral.

• 49:47Patrick Bet-David?

  He is probably more famous today with his impact worldwide than MLK was in America because MLK wasn't having his clips going viral worldwide. That did not exist back then. Today he does. So as much as some people may not like it, Charlie's more famous than MLK was at his peak when he passed away. This is not a competitive message. They're at the same level, the impact. So we have to find out what happens to this guy. We have to find out what the motive behind it was because why? Okay, worst case, I pray for this not to happen, but it's my biggest concern. If right now, you know how before pandemic, I was telling the story how I'm going to LA for our board meeting?

• 50:31Patrick Bet-David?

  And all of a sudden, one by one by one, on March 12th of 2020, is that covid 2020, right? Yeah. Yeah. When March of 2020, March 12th of 2020, I land at Beverly Hills Hilton, I'm with my family, I'm going to take them to Universal, one by one, board members start canceling the meeting. Why? Because of covid. Up until that point, I didn't know how serious it was. And then all of a sudden, the whole thing shut down. Then became non-essential, essential, no NBA, no NHL, all the parks, all the this, all the that, the world changed, right? What happens if all of a sudden, in the next seven days, two weeks, the equivalent of an AOC on the opposing side is taken out?

• 51:14Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think happens? Martial law? Hey Vinny, where are you? Well guys, I can't do anything. We're doing a podcast from the house. How's your internet at your house? I can't get out, they're not letting me get out. It's curfew. For what? Imagine if riots get so nasty in the streets in all metropolitan cities. What does America look like? Who would want that? Who? What happened with protesting and riots under Trump first time around? How bad were they? Do you remember the BLM riots? You don't think they want that again? You don't think they're smart enough and divisive enough to find different methods? I don't know. But the way I'm going to next and what I'd want to talk about next before we transition to a couple of the other stories because there's so much to be learned about things that's going on here with Charlie is this. Who is behind it?

• 51:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay? Speculation. Everything is allegedly. Who is behind it? If this is just a kid, there was a video of a, of a, there's a video that's going viral saying this is the guy that Charlie Kirk was debating. Who is the possible killer? The Rob, do you know which one I'm talking about? There's a clip of a guy that Charlie, oh, right there, that's the guy. Right there, Rob. Right there, can you zoom into that one? So, so it doesn't look like him.

• 52:29Speaker 09

  No.

• 52:29Patrick Bet-David?

  But some are saying this could be the guy. Go ahead.

• 52:33Speaker 17

  Hey, this guy just [BLEEP] lies. Hey, no, no, no, no. He's a liar. So, okay. He can't debate, he just lies. Okay, so let's just calm down a little bit.

• 52:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So, watch the pause.

• 52:41Speaker 17

  Well, I mean, you could say whatever you want if you want to make a fool of yourself, but we do have like 10-year-olds here and 11-year-olds. So, could we have some decency? Whatever. You don't care. You're a typical leftist because you only care about yourself, not about the other people. Who said I was a leftist?

• 52:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Pause on his face. Pause on his face, Rob.

• 52:56Speaker 17

  Hey, this guy.

• 52:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So, that guy, and then you see the picture to the right with the glasses on. Okay, that's the guy that's walking around. And then we have Tyler Robinson. If you go to Tyler Robinson.

• 53:07Speaker 09

  Yeah, good point.

• 53:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay? Is it the same guy? The Tyler Robinson picture? Okay? We don't know if it's the same guy. Some are saying yes, some are saying no. But to me, it's the following. If it's just a guy who got up, was able to shoot from 200 yards away, and then he gets him.

• 53:30Patrick Bet-David?

  He's dead, gets off the rooftop, walks out and disappears like Kaiser Soze? Is it just a guy that was upset? Is it just a leftist that hates Charlie? Was it, was it a motive? Was it funded by somebody? Was it just increasing the temperature? What is your speculation of what you think happened?

• 53:50Adam Sosnick?

  He wrote, allegedly, he wrote the words on the bullet casing, "trans" and fascism.

• 53:58Speaker 09

  Yeah, I did, which I think.

• 53:59Adam Sosnick?

  And we were discussing this in the car.

• 54:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Let's be careful here. I think, can we look this up? Because I, I know what you're talking about and I'm not contradicting you. This morning, there was a report that there was no rifle in the woods and there were no bullet casing. That that was a erroneous report. Rob, if you can help us, so I want to make sure that we don't like repeat something that this morning, you know what I mean, Pat, got already wiped, set aside.

• 54:23Speaker 09

  Well, I, I think, I, I love the question because it's like, who, who's gonna benefit? Who, who's gaining from this? Okay, who's gaining? Because Charlie's voice was so impactful. And guess what? They, to me, this is my opinion, they assassinated this kid or whoever was behind it, the 2032 President of the United States. That's, that's where my mind, where I was at, Pat. But, but if you think about it, MKUltra, when you talk about these, these operations from the CIA and all this stuff as if they didn't exist, in the 50s and 70s, they focused on mind control experiments. I'm not making this up. This isn't some crazy, kooky idea that I'm coming up with. They used LSD, they grabbed younger people like this and they brainwashed them into becoming assassins.

• 55:05Speaker 09

  Shooting, and then all of a sudden they snap out of it. They don't know what they are. They don't know what the hell is going on. They're completely lost. You know what I mean? Just like when, um, Tom, who's the guy?

• 55:14Tom Ellsworth?

  It's the whole Jason Bourne depiction.

• 55:16Speaker 09

  Exactly, but, but the thing is.

• 55:17Tom Ellsworth?

  That's a depiction, that's a movie that's Hollywood. But it comes from apparently the playbook of creating an intelligence asset.

• 55:24Speaker 09

  Exactly. So, and, and here's the thing. The George Soros's, the all these people, and again, this is clearly speculation. Who, who would benefit from this type of action? Who would benefit from not only killing one of the leading voices that's like pushing the youth? That's making, I remember, me and Adam just showed me a video in the car. Adam, if you could send it to Rob. It's a conversation that he had with a trans. Girl that became a guy and he was such a, an awesome conversation where he's like, I, he's like, what's going on with me? What's happening? He's like, I want you to, I, I pray that you find the truth and somebody talks you and find out what's going on in your head and not just pumping drugs into your body and changing you. It's, it's, and, and I hope it doesn't come to that, but we had this conversation yesterday. Isn't it weird though?

• 56:09Speaker 09

  That the other side never gets no assassinations? They walk out in public. You see AOC, Pan, all these people, they walk out, there's no security. They're just out there. They're just out there. Because in my opinion, that's their side. Their side isn't going to do anything to them. It's always us. It's always the voices that are preaching about love, about peace, about bringing us together. All of them, all of them, all of them from, from the history get shot or, or murdered.

• 56:35Tom Ellsworth?

  And George Floyd is suddenly, not to interrupt you, but to add to what you're saying with emphasis, and George Floyd is depicted as an assassination. A man with, with a rapture, a man that was in the middle of, of committing another crime and had enough drugs in his system to throw a Hollywood birthday party. You've got, no, that's,

• 56:54Speaker 09

  You're right.

• 56:55Tom Ellsworth?

  That's in the, that's in the record. He was, he was out of his mind and the, the level of drugs that were there and yet, yet he's a symbol and he's assassinated. Really?

• 57:07Adam Sosnick?

  I just, I want to touch on one thing because you guys have mentioned this. I firmly believe they just assassinated a future president of the United States. And I'm not downplaying that. Talk about having a bench. Who's on the left? Who's on the right? Charlie was at the top of the list, man. And I know you're angry. I know people are pissed. You know what I am? I'm sad, man. I'm sad for the movement. I'm sad for Charlie's family. I'm sad for his wife. I'm sad for his kid. I'm sad for America. You know, that day was super emotional. Vinny's the one, right as Tony Robbins took the stage, runs out. I'm sitting right there behind Vinny. I'm sitting with Dylan, Patrick's son. Jennifer's a couple

• 57:49Adam Sosnick?

  seats over. Maral's in front of me. Tom's right there. Vinny says Charlie just got shot.

• 57:55Adam Sosnick?

  And runs off. I said, "What? I'm with Dylan. Tony's, we're front row, Tony. I'm focused on Tony. And Tony gives us a speech and he says, "You know the number one quality of a leader? The number one quality of a leader is that they have influence. Don't downplay the fact that people are influencers. Charlie had influence. He was an influencer. You influence people's thoughts, you've influenced people's emotions, you've influenced people's actions, good and bad. I'm there with Dylan, we're having a great time, and the whole time, I'm holding back my emotions, knowing that Charlie Kirk just got shot. And then text, after text, after text, this is what's going on. And then here's what happened. Pat took the stage. Super emotional. Pat cried.

• 58:38Adam Sosnick?

  Vinnie's crying, I see it in Vinnie's eyes, Vinnie's, he wears his heart on his sleeve. Tom's crying, Rob is crying. I'm the only person that didn't cry. And not because I wasn't sad, I just, I was sort of numb. And you know what, I got back to my room that night. I've only cried three times in the last five years, I would say. The day that my girlfriend got cancer, the day that my dad died, and the day that Charlie Kirk died. And I was playing the song from Green Day, you know? "Another turning point of folks to..." Good riddance. And I just started bawling, man. And I'm just so sad for everyone, and I'm sad for America, because this was a guy, we've spent so much time with Charlie,

• 59:21Adam Sosnick?

  one of the best humans I've ever met. I don't know if there's anything bad about him, and the fact that people on the left are mocking him and cheering for his death just shows how sick and twisted some people in America have become. It's just sad to me.

• 59:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's, and by the way, it's interesting you say that. To some people, it's not, it's gonna hit them even later, when it sinks in, and reality sinks in, and you never know when that's gonna happen to you. But it is a sad situation. Not just for you, many others as well. As you're going through this, you're wondering, "Who would want to see something like this happen?" One of the simplest things that you gotta be thinking about is, a leader, your job of a leader is to try to control the temperature of a nation, of a company, of a family. You know, you're in the house, your kid, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they're fighting, bring it down, right? It's a little bit to you, you bring it up, you're controlling the temperature. Last week, this Ukrainian girl, okay?

• 1:00:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Is on the subway.

• 1:00:24Patrick Bet-David?

  And all of a sudden, there's two clips, Rob. If you want to go through this and if you have the Van Jones clip and you know, if you know which ones I'm talking about. First play the clip of her. First play the clip of her not getting stabbed until when she's first getting moved by the guy that's just kind of shaking her up a little bit at first. So, Trump wants death penalty for the Charlotte murder suspect after what happened. Okay? That picture to the right. Okay? That's the girl. That's the killer right behind her. Okay? Ukrainian refugee Rena escapes war horrors only to get her throat savage slit on a Charlotte

• 1:01:07Patrick Bet-David?

  train by a black repeat offender, DeCarlos Brown, free on bail from Democrat soft crime insanity. Okay? This is a fellow on Twitter writing this. That's the story right there. Trump comes out and saying he wants death penalty for him. Okay? Van Jones is out there saying things. This right here, this clip, go forward.

• 1:01:32Speaker 18

  It's not about cashless bail or no cashless bail. It's about the fact that we don't know how to deal with people who are hurting in the way this man was hurting. Hurt people hurt people. What happened was horrible, but it becomes an opportunity for people to jump on bandwagons. And then for someone like Charlie Kirk, he should be ashamed of himself. No one mentioned the word race, white, black, or anything except him. What people mention is the horror of what happened to this young one.

• 1:01:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait. He should be embarrassed for himself, Van? Oh, God. Buddy, here's a question. I want to send something, Rob, to you. And I want you to, I want you to show this here because a guy sent this to me and said, "How different would it have been if this is the case?" Rob, let me send this to you and then if you can put it up, okay? If this was the story, what would America look like if this was the story, Rob? If you don't mind, I'm going to send, airdrop it to you, Rob, if you can show it to everyone here. Imagine if this was the case. Take that situation and make it this.

• 1:02:36Patrick Bet-David?

  How different would America have been today? What would the streets have looked like today? What would Van Jones be saying today? Van, what would you really be saying today? If this was the story? Take all the seeds and change Irena and that's the case?

• 1:02:53Speaker 09

  Oh my god. What a...

• 1:02:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What would America be doing? They'd burn this thing down. What would America be doing? A white guy stabs a black girl with two white guys and a white girl sitting to her right, doing nothing. How would you react to this? What would you be saying? Would you be saying, "Why didn't one of them jump in and save her?" Would that be, is that what you'd be saying? "This is why America has a wide crime problem." What would you be saying? So to me, I'm really trying to speculate because I got a couple weird calls yesterday from people that are involved directly with this. And they're all trying to find out what happened. And some of them are trying to find out how to prevent future ones from happening.

• 1:03:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you do here? Was the motive on taking Charlie out because of this? Did somebody watch this exchange and say, "You know what? I'm gonna go take Charlie out and I'm gonna be the hero." Is that what it was? Was it that simple of a reaction to what happened with, you know, with Irena? Tom, what are your thoughts? I know you have some opinions on this story.

• 1:04:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, first of all, you know, there's a lot of clips and people saying, "Van Jones a communist, here he goes again." Van Jones said he was a communist, but he said it's part of his radical 1990s and he has since matured. Well, respectfully, I don't really see it. To say something like that, Van Jones is the one that's race baiting. Van Jones is the one that is pulling the strings there, using his perch in media. And he doesn't even know that...

• 1:04:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, hang on one second. The press conference right now with the shooters taking place right now.

• 1:04:35Speaker 19

  Left the rifle in a towel. The messages also refer to engraving bullets and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.

• 1:04:55Speaker 19

  I know there has been speculation as well as to the writing on those casings, those bullet casings, and I believe we have that as well. And I will share that with you now. Oh, they have that.

• 1:05:14Speaker 19

  So the area north of Campus Drive Road where the suspect crossed over, you saw some of that in the video that we released last night, consists of a grassy area with trees on the edge of the UVU campus. Investigators discovered a bolt-action rifle wrapped in a dark-colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mauser Model 98 .306 caliber, .306 caliber bolt-action rifle. The rifle had a scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired casing read, "NOTICES, BULGES, capital O W O, WHAT'S THIS QUESTION MARK." Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read,

• 1:05:59Speaker 19

  "HEY FASCIST, CATCH!" Up arrow symbol, right arrow, Wow. And symbol and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read, "O Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow Chow." And a third unfired casing read, "If you read this, you are gay, L M A O."

• 1:06:24Adam Sosnick?

  So he did write on the case.

• 1:06:25Speaker 19

  We are indebted to law enforcement across the state who has worked seamlessly together, local law enforcement, state law enforcement, and our federal partners with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. We're grateful for everyone who worked together in such a short amount of time to find this person and to bring justice. I want to thank the public who has been so engaged reviewing videos, helping us with sending in tips and helping us get to this point. I want to thank the family members of Tyler Robinson who did the right thing in this case

• 1:07:10Speaker 19

  and were able to bring him into law enforcement as well.

• 1:07:16Speaker 19

  I especially want to thank the family of Charlie Kirk. Erica, Charlie's parents, his children. I want us to be thinking of them as we bring justice in this case. They will be involved in that justice. We will be working very closely with them as we move through this process as well. This is a very sad day for, again, for our country. A terrible day for the state of Utah. But I'm grateful that at this moment, we have an opportunity to bring closure to this very dark chapter in our nation's history.

• 1:07:57Speaker 19

  With that, I will now turn the microphone over to the Director of the FBI, Cash Patel.

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• 1:08:58Speaker 20

  Thank you, Governor. This is what happens when you let good cops be cops.

• 1:09:10Speaker 20

  The FBI and our partners are proud to stand here today together to bring justice to the family of Charlie Kirk and honor his memory. I want to express my deep gratitude to President Trump, the Vice President, and the entire White House who have been so incredibly supportive with both resources and just personally to the FBI as a team. They had our backs the entire way, and I just want to express my gratitude for giving us the resources we need to operate in this space to bring this sort of justice at this sort of speed. In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie. Governor Cox, our partnership has been absolutely incredible these last few days. Our partnership will endure.

• 1:09:51Speaker 20

  Your state and local partners, your sheriffs, your DPS community, has been unbelievably impressive in the hardest of times. In a case like this, cannot be solved, cannot be brought without partnering with your state and local authorities. The FBI has a certain role to play, and we will play that role, and we will lead out for the federal government. Governor Cox, we are so grateful for your state partnership that led out on this investigation. A little bit of the timeline. Charlie was shot at 12:23 PM on Wednesday. The first FBI agents arrived on scene in 16 minutes with chiefs of police at 12:39 and secured the scene. The FBI immediately launched fixed-wing assets.

• 1:10:34Speaker 20

  We utilize these assets to transport personnel, specialty technicians, hostage rescue teams. We also utilize these assets to go back and forth from the East Coast and here in Utah to transport forensic evidence and other evidence that will be analyzed and is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories in Quantico and other laboratories, including the ATF. At my direction, the FBI released the first set of FBI photos of the suspect at 10:00 AM, local time, on 9/11. Then, shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of $100,000 was released at 10:45 AM, local. Myself and Deputy Director Bongino arrived on the scene at approximately 5:30 PM on 9/11.

• 1:11:16Speaker 20

  The governor led a press conference last night at approximately 8:00 PM, where at my direction, the FBI released a never-before-seen video of the suspect. We also released new images to the public of the suspect. And just last night...

• 1:11:35Speaker 20

  The suspect was taken into custody at 10:00 PM local time.

• 1:11:39Speaker 20

  In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise, thanks to the full weight of the federal government and leading out with the partners here in the state of Utah and Governor Cox, the suspect was apprehended in historic time period. And I want to highlight what Governor Cox said. This would not have been possible without you, the media, and you, the public. That's why we went so public, so fast, and were so transparent, and were committed to that transparency.

• 1:12:07Speaker 20

  The crime scene, just a little bit there, it is a large crime scene. State and local authorities, along with federal authorities, processed that crime scene quickly. And I even had the

• 1:12:19Speaker 20

  ability to walk through that crime scene and walk through the steps the suspect took to learn more about what was needed and what resources we need to bring to create a full picture for the FBI and leadership back in Washington. Furthermore, thankfully to state and local partners, forensic evidence has been seized and continues to be garnered. Forensic evidence has already been evaluated, FBI laboratories in Quantico and state local authorities here. We will continue to process evidence as we see it, as we collect it, and we will continue to deliver to Governor Cox and his team.

• 1:12:54Speaker 20

  Last night, we had a total of approximately 7,000 interviews, excuse me, 7,000 leads. As of this morning, thanks to your great work, we have over 11,000 leads that were called in to the FBI. And we are running out every single lead that we can. Every one of those leads will be run out.

• 1:13:13Speaker 20

  The arrest is a testament to dedication of good law enforcement being great and partnerships in law enforcement, which I've tried to highlight as my tenure as the Director of the FBI. There is no better relationship for law enforcement than the FBI to partner with state and local authorities, and you've seen it here in these last few days. The FBI Salt Lake Field Office, along with our offices in LA, Phoenix, Denver, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, our headquarters component in Quantico, all participate in the FBI. I want to express my deep gratitude to the employees of the FBI, the men and women, the evidence response team tacticians, the special operators, the agents, the support staff. You have done monumental work in historic time.

• 1:14:00Speaker 20

  When the public who had a right to demand such an expeditious solving of an investigation, the FBI answered that call diligently, critically important to our-

• 1:14:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so how do you feel about what Cash just said right now?

• 1:14:17Speaker 09

  I mean-

• 1:14:17Patrick Bet-David?

  7,000 yesterday, 11,000 today, we're gonna run all those leads, you know, the details of the shooter having written things on it, if you're reading this, you're gay lol, you know, all the funny things he wrote in there, fascist-

• 1:14:32Speaker 09

  It's kinda, I don't know, and again, way, way too early, but it's as if it's the same playbook over and over and over again. I'm very, very curious to see where this kid who apparently, I just sent Rob in the chat, he got a sc- he's reading a letter of receiving a $32,000 scholarship, the kid looks like a normal kid, what makes someone like this, a good kid that has a scholarship that obviously has a brain, to do something, this isn't a, like you said, Pat, waking up in the morning and I'm gonna go shoot Charlie Kirk, no, I believe there's something deeper, who knows who was around him-

• 1:15:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you play that clip that he's talking about, it was just texted to everybody, yeah, that one right there.

• 1:15:15Speaker 09

  And again, very way too early, but from the looks of it, this isn't, my opinion, from coming from a military background, to talking to military people, there's-

• 1:15:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's hear this, let's hear this, see what he says.

• 1:15:30Speaker 21

  Congratulations, you have been selected to receive the Resident Presidential Scholarship from Utah State University. The value of this scholarship is approximately $32,000. This scholarship is available for four years or eight semesters.

• 1:15:45Speaker 09

  And that's the kid? That's the, so- Allegedly, that's the kid? So yeah, so what, what, and again, we don't know anything, just his name and jumping off the roof, and that's all him, because some of the photos aren't even matching up, what makes someone like that, who sounds like he has a freaking good mother, who's obviously bright enough to get a freaking scholarship, to get a rifle, go on a roof, and shoot someone in the neck in front of everybody in that fashion, and then run away, and with no escape plan?

• 1:16:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what are you thinking, Tom?

• 1:16:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I'm thinking at some point in time, this young man was radicalized. You don't go from all the descriptions that people have forward. He was radicalized and by someone, or something. Let's say something or someone. Something. He started diving into literature, diving into things, and took himself down the rabbit hole and became angry, bitter, and changed so he could do it, or it was someone that guided him. We've seen this happen with young men before, not, you know, going out and assassinating someone, but we've seen, we know the pathology. We know the pathology of young men. Maybe it's loneliness, maybe it's disassociation, whatever it is, and then finding something,

• 1:17:00Tom Ellsworth?

  and that leads him down this rabbit hole and then materially changed. And people talk about it. Oh, between 18 and 20 years old, he completely changed. Look at Luigi, you know, that killed-

• 1:17:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Luigi Mangione.

• 1:17:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, killed the CEO of United Healthcare.

• 1:17:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Brian Thompson.

• 1:17:15Tom Ellsworth?

  People talk about the same thing, that something happened to him. He went away. Remember, we talked about this, Pat, with him. Remember, he went away? He went like to Hawaii or something for two years, and he came back and his parents and friends and family were saying, "We didn't recognize him. We didn't understand, we recognized him physically, but we didn't recognize his point of view, didn't recognize his demeanor and stuff." Something happens. So I believe something has happened for him to be capable, if he is in fact the shooter, and he is in fact the guilty one. Right now, we say he is the suspect that is going to be indicted, that is allegedly the assassin.

• 1:17:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So, I got it. So this is a picture of him and his dad, okay, before he went to college.

• 1:17:53Adam Sosnick?

  With the American flag on the-

• 1:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. Father on the left shoulder. Rob, go to the other thing, the DSA that you just had up. Was that him speaking, or was that where it says he's part of the DSA? You just had a tweet that the guys were speaking, saying he's part of DSA.

• 1:18:06Speaker 22

  Yeah, that was just a speaker from the DSA. It wasn't him, but they're saying that he's part of this group, Democratic Socialists of America.

• 1:18:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go on to Democratic Socialist of America? So who's on this? If you go to the website, what pictures are there of? Who is recognized on there?

• 1:18:21Adam Sosnick?

  That's the Bernie AOC squad side of things. Ilhan Omar-

• 1:18:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You just had a minute ago. I think a minute ago, you were on a website that had Mamdani on it, it had Rashidi on it. Where were you? You were literally just somewhere. I just saw it on the site that you had.

• 1:18:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, which one was it you were showing?

• 1:18:40Adam Sosnick?

  I mean, Pat, these are, these are the kids you debated in Jubilee. The democratic socialists. These aren't Democrats.

• 1:18:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, a guy from Serbia, a guy from Serbia yesterday came and said, "Please never talk to those guys that you did the Jubilee with." I said, "Why?" He says, "Just never talk about, talk to those types of, because they, they, they don't like people like you." I said, "If you don't talk to them, how you gonna get to the bottom of it? You have to talk to them to kind of find out what's gonna be happening."

• 1:19:06Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, yeah, so.

• 1:19:09Adam Sosnick?

  Well.

• 1:19:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, go ahead.

• 1:19:10Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, well, oftentimes, when there's a shooting, or mass shooting, or school shooting, we want to get to the bottom of, "Who was this shooter?" In my opinion, F this shooter. F these shooters. I, I don't want to know their names, I don't want to publicize their names, I don't want to give them any shine. I want to focus on Charlie. Charlie was murdered and assassinated the day before 9/11. 9/10.

• 1:19:37Adam Sosnick?

  It, it was kicking off his American comeback tour. 9/10 should be known as Charlie Kirk Day. I think President Trump has already expressed the fact that he will give, post, humously, uh, the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Charlie Kirk. That's who we should be speaking about. These people that have been indoctrinated by whatever, whatever progressive leftism, whatever it is, screw them. And, uh, oftentimes, who cares what happens here? Now, is TikTok to blame? Is the school system to blame? Are the professors to blame? Is our culture to blame? I don't know. But I, I want to give the praise to Charlie. I don't care about this kid.

• 1:20:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, to me, I, I, that sounds very noble, but I want to find out what happened here so this doesn't happen again. We have to learn. Uh, this is the mugshot that was just released of the shooter, Tyler Robinson. They officially just released it.

• 1:20:32Speaker 09

  Would you, can I ask you one question, Pat? If you got to sit with this kid right now, because I would, I, nothing more than what you're saying, it shines to me where, if you could sit down with this guy right now, like in, in, like, not a podcast, but an interview, because I, what would you be asking, like, what would you be asking this kid? Because that's, that's the truth, because we're not gonna hear nothing from this guy for a long time. Okay?

• 1:20:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, here's all I care about. If, if he's alive 90 days from now, we're gonna find out what happened. If he in the next 48 hours, they're carrying him from to a place to another place and he doesn't make it, some sus, sus, you know, I'm gonna be suspicious about what happened here.

• 1:21:13Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I, I, I just wanna say one thing. The, we almost know what he stands for. If he's the person that wrote on the bullet, fascists, lol, you're gay.

• 1:21:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but you wanna see more than that.

• 1:21:24Adam Sosnick?

  I, I totally understand here. I, I understand that, but

• 1:21:30Adam Sosnick?

  we know what these people feel like. We know, you, you've interviewed these people. They've been indoctrinated so many times and they need to take action. A fascist? Charlie Kirk is a fascist? Charlie Kirk is the anti-fascist. Charlie Kirk believes in freedom of speech. He believes in open discourse. He believes in open debate. These people, if you have a difference of opinion to them, you now have a death sentence. That's what they believe in. So we talked about earlier, the identity politics with Van Jones. Excuse me, the hypocrisy that comes from the left, the identity politics. Nobody talks about race and gender more than the left. You talk about microaggressions. What about actual aggressions? Talk about trigger warnings. What about actually pulling the trigger?

• 1:22:13Adam Sosnick?

  We're talking about cancel culture. What about canceling somebody you don't believe in? The left, the progressive left, they own this, not the right.

• 1:22:20Speaker 09

  And if you think about it, cause you asked earlier, cause I'm trying to figure out who and who benefits. You know how, Adam, you say follow the money. You know what I mean? What, who, who, because think about it. You talk about your next five moves. You wanna talk about planning ahead. They took out, it's not just this kid, bro. I, I think it's way deeper. You're taking out the guy that's motivating the youth. This is the future of the Republican Party and they cut off the head. They cut off that. Obviously, we're coming back and I love what you said the other day where you said, and it was immediate. It was immediate, because Pat was the one that let me know and I had to run away. I'm so locked into Tony like you. I had to run out because Pat was the first one, because Pat was backstage. And Pat's face, because in the, in the commotion, in the, in the hurricane, and everybody, I'm crying.

• 1:23:04Speaker 09

  Everybody's emotional about what just happened. And Pat, do you remember what you said? You looked at me about evil and I'm talking about evil and you go, we're gonna win. It's evil will not freaking prevail. And there was a moment of like calm that came over me because I realized what the fight is. And we're in it, and it's us, because we're up, by the way, there's a list, we're, you know how influential you are, and the podcast, and what PBD Podcast is? We're on there, I saw some list, Pat, I saw a big list, Megyn Kelly, boom, boom, boom, people, Patrick, we're on there, we're making, we're waking, what, what we do, we're waking people up, we're not, yeah, we have our opinions, but we're speaking fact, we're speaking fact, and it pisses some people off, how many death threats do you get? How many death threats do you get?

• 1:23:47Speaker 09

  It's unbelievable, but we're gonna win, I don't give a damn what this, this side is doing, what this evil is gonna do, we're gonna win, and we're gonna prevail.

• 1:23:56Adam Sosnick?

  I love you, Vinny, it turns out, that when you spend a decade calling somebody evil, or calling them Hitler, that people actually start to believe them after 10 years. Why are these things happening, why was Trump almost assassinated a year ago? When was the year anniversary, the summer? Why is Charlie Kirk getting shot right now? Why, why are they writing the word fascist on bullets? It's because this is what they've been told for a decade. Now, you might want to criticize the right, sure, you say things like Biden is senile and old and corrupt, is that inaccurate? You say that Obama is gay and Michelle's a man, okay, maybe that's not true, it's, but you're not calling them evil Hitler figures, that's the difference.

• 1:24:41Speaker 09

  When Joe Biden got his freaking diagnosis of cancer, show me the people that, on the right, that were celebrating and happy and saying die. Go ahead, go and look it up, go ahead, Rob, try to find it, it's unbelievable how disgusting these people are, and how far gone they are, it's unbelievable.

• 1:25:00Adam Sosnick?

  And Vinny, you're right, and if people on the right, here's the difference, the people on the right would call them out, what are you, what are you doing?

• 1:25:07Speaker 09

  We prayed for them, we prayed for this old guy, I don't think he should have been president, but...

• 1:25:11Adam Sosnick?

  My Democratic friends need to do better and call out their far-left extremist counterparts. That's, they might not listen to us, but they need to listen to their fellow liberals and libs and Democrats that say, we need to do better.

• 1:25:25Speaker 09

  Yup, and what, what, who's this?

• 1:25:27Speaker 22

  That was Taylor Lorenz, the only person that did celebrate, that I could find, Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis, was progressive.

• 1:25:34Speaker 09

  Oh, weird, progressive girl saying, hopefully he rots in hell and rests in piss.

• 1:25:38Adam Sosnick?

  To the left of Biden, wants him to die.

• 1:25:41Speaker 09

  Weird.

• 1:25:41Adam Sosnick?

  So there seems to be a common theme here, from the progressive left.

• 1:25:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna show something that's maybe the, one of the coolest tweets out there, which is this. Rob, can you pull this up? You guys are gonna love this here. Watch this tweet here from 14 years ago. Tell me this isn't the coolest tweet. Look at this. This is Charlie Kirk on October 13th of 2011. At Glenn Beck, "I'm a 17-year-old high school student, listening to you every day. I speak for a local tea party about debt and deficit. Fight liberal bias." 14 years ago, 17 years old. You know what this means?

• 1:26:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Look how many likes it got. Look how many retweets it got. 20 retweets, 21 likes. You know what this means? Do you know how many millions of kids are doing this right now? Do you know how many millions of kids right now, this is their guy? Do you know how many millions of kids are looking up to him? Do you know how many millions of kids are gonna sit there, watching Charlie Kirk debate videos on reruns? Over and over and over and over. Those are documented. See, the, the, the reason why I keep talking about this comparison with him and MLK. Martin Luther King, revolutionary.

• 1:27:11Patrick Bet-David?

  How important he was to the American history. But you don't have thousands of hours. Matter of fact, if, Rob, if you go on ChatGPT right now and you ask, "How many hours of content are there of Charlie Kirk speaking?" How many hours of content are there of Charlie Kirk speaking? How many? I just put it right here. It says, launch 2017, so it's doing the math. It says there's roughly 4,700 hours of Charlie Kirk speaking. How many hours of Martin Luther King?

• 1:27:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Are there in comparison to Charlie? Okay? Charlie's got forty-seven hundred. Martin Luther King. At a time where social media didn't exist. You didn't have the access to YouTube. There was no, Martin Luther King just tweeted something that didn't exist back then, okay? If you go look at hours total.

• 1:28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know what the number is?

• 1:28:20Adam Sosnick?

  Hundreds.

• 1:28:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Between the two? Forty? To maybe a hundred hours of archived, preserved. Versus forty-seven hundred.

• 1:28:32Adam Sosnick?

  Wow.

• 1:28:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You're talking fifty times more hours of content. And what age did MLK die, by the way? I thought it was thirty-nine?

• 1:28:40Adam Sosnick?

  It's thirty-nine, yes.

• 1:28:42Patrick Bet-David?

  MLK dies at the age of thirty-nine. Charlie dies at the age of thirty-one. Okay? Forty-seven hundred hours. How many people you think are gonna watch those hours? How many times have you watched MLK's different talks? Which one do you know?

• 1:28:55Adam Sosnick?

  You have, I have a dream.

• 1:28:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Time is, you know, yeah, exactly. I have a dream, right? You have all these different things that, that the speeches that he gives, the one at the church, the one at the, there's so many of them. But you got forty-seven hundred. There's millions of kids that are gonna aspire. I'm on Manect, answering all these questions. And, and one by one by one, people are saying, Pat, I'm inspired to do this, and I'm inspired to do that, and I'm inspired to do this. I'm inspired to do that. And every time I'm listening to these messages, I'm like, buddy, this could be you next. This could be you next. This could be you next. This could be you next. So I think his legacy is gonna continue on.

• 1:29:35Patrick Bet-David?

  And data came out, which the left is gotta be so scared. Let me tell you how scared the left's gotta be. Do you know they're saying Gen Z is gonna be the biggest conservative generation of all time? Do you know they're saying Gen Z, okay? How big is Gen Z, Rob? How big is Gen Z? They're saying Gen Z will be the biggest generation of conservatives we've ever seen in the history of America. Okay? Gen Z. And what does that mean? You got sixty-eight to seventy million Gen Z's in America. And they're saying this is gonna be the biggest generation of conservatives. Do you know what America's gonna look like the next forty years because of what Charlie Kirk did the last fourteen years?

• 1:30:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you realize what America's gonna look like the next sixty years, fifty years, because of Gen Z? These kids on campus have been hearing Charlie. It's done. Once that message gets enough conservatives, you very rarely lose being conservative. Of course. You lose being a liberal. You don't ever give up your conservative ideology. Very rarely does that ever happen. Except if your name is Joe Walsh and you're confused. But for the most part, things like this don't happen. But here's the question I want to process with you guys, since we're already in this topic with the youth and Gen Z.

• 1:30:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's what I want to ask you. The question, what happens to Turning Point USA next? Great question. Tom, what do you think happens to Turning Point USA next?

• 1:31:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Turning Point USA, I think will continue, I'll go top to bottom. It's not going away. It's gonna get a lot of funding in the near term. People are gonna be supporting the cause. They're gonna raise money for Charlie's children, of course, of course. So that's part one. Part two, it will continue to facilitate these meetings on campus. Because it wasn't just Charlie. Charlie was the voice, the tip of the spear. But there were also others that are being brought up that do, they were encouraging people to create Turning Point Campus Organizations. And there are Turning Point Campus Organizations all across the United States. I think there's gonna be a little bit more inspired. But will Turning Point have a voice like Charlie at the top?

• 1:31:44Tom Ellsworth?

  No, but what it's gonna have to do is find its power in distributed effectiveness. And if the people that are waking up, as you say, Pat, you know, I look at this to the stoning of Stephen, which if you read Acts, chapter eight, nine, and ten.

• 1:32:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That's such a good story. Go for it.

• 1:32:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Stephen is stoned. After he goes in in front of the Jewish leaders. And he recounts, basically, he gives a history lesson. And he said, "And the rabbi you were waiting for, the Messiah you were waiting for, this was him." And you hung him on a tree. And it says the Jewish leaders got very upset. They flipped out and said, "Take him out and have him stoned." Well, the Romans were the police that were maintaining order in their regions because they controlled these regions. But they let people, you know, kind of govern themselves, basically.

• 1:32:38Speaker 09

  Under Pontius Pilate, correct?

• 1:32:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep, well, a variety of people. And so they took him out there and he was stoned. And you read in the Bible that his spirit was taken to heaven at his moment of death and he looked to the heavens and there's bright light. But they said in Scripture, "Immediately a persecution broke out in Jerusalem and more widely, and the Christians scattered." And so what happened was it extended the church. It extended Christianity because the stoning of Stephen triggered this dispersion. And then the guy that was standing there, Saul, that was giving approval by his authority to conduct the stoning,

• 1:33:22Tom Ellsworth?

  he is then converted by the Holy Spirit and God Himself on the road to Damascus and becomes the missionary and mentor to all those distributed people. So Romans 8:28 says, "God will make good of any situation and for His good purposes." It may not be good for... On earth, we have made mourning and consequence and evil and so many things. He's not going to make earth into nirvana for us. Earth never becomes... Broken earth will never become a soft pillow. But the Lord's purposes were served. And I think now, what happens at Turning Point? They're going to get money. They're going to continue the distributed Turning Point Clubs path that exists. They've lost their center and their voice.

• 1:34:06Tom Ellsworth?

  But is there a group of leaders to hold it together so its effectiveness can continue on campuses the way they do today with the individual clubs?

• 1:34:16Speaker 09

  And I, since we're going there, Tommy, I, I wrote this in Revelations just about Charlie Pat, about not being murdered, but actually being martyred. Revelations 6, chapters 9 through 10. Basically, it says, "When a martyr's blood hits the throne of heaven, it turns the vengeance of the king towards the evil ones on this earth." Okay, so all the people out there that are furious, that are mad, God will take care of everything, Tom. I'm so happy that, that you broke, you brought this up.

• 1:34:43Patrick Bet-David?

  The day of vengeance belongs to the Lord.

• 1:34:45Speaker 09

  To hit, to the Lord. Every drop of, like, when people like Charlie give their lives for truth, and heaven hears it, the blood of the righteous moves, the hand of the king, and vengeance, it's not for us, it's for God, and just rest assured, it's coming. Plain and simple.

• 1:35:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep, and by the way, you know, you know what's, what's so impressive? Yesterday, the Yankees sent out a tweet recognizing and honoring Charlie Kirk in the game on the big screen. Look at that.

• 1:35:16Speaker 09

  Wow.

• 1:35:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Before tonight's game, we held a moment of silence in memoriam of Charlie Kirk. Kirk founded the youth activist group, Turnip Point USA, and I've become a fixture on college campuses. I messaged the Yankees, and I let them know how impressed I was with this, and how great it is that us, the organization, did something like this. Rob, can you do me a favor? Show the picture of the president with the Yankees players yesterday. Did you guys see this?

• 1:35:41Speaker 09

  No.

• 1:35:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at the picture of Trump, because he was at the game. Just happened, Trump Yankees. Watch this. Um, look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Isn't that great?

• 1:35:55Speaker 22

  That's cool, man.

• 1:35:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Are they smiling?

• 1:35:57Speaker 09

  Yep.

• 1:35:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's not smiling? They're all smiling. They're smiling that the president came to visit these guys.

• 1:36:02Speaker 09

  And look who's the guy to the, to the president's right with the shirt? Jesus won. Bingo. I love that. I love that.

• 1:36:10Speaker 22

  I have a good video if you'd like to see Trump at Yankee Stadium.

• 1:36:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I'd love to see the video. I'd love to see the video. Good for you Yankees.

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• 1:37:19Patrick Bet-David?

  At the Yankton.

• 1:37:23Patrick Bet-David?

  See the glass? We'll need more of those glasses.

• 1:37:26Adam Sosnick?

  Is that O'Reilly? Yes.

• 1:37:29Patrick Bet-David?

  We need more of those glasses everywhere. Good for O'Reilly, by the way, for being there.

• 1:37:33Adam Sosnick?

  We're also gonna need more of those people to vote in the New York City mayor election.

• 1:37:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:38Adam Sosnick?

  Because unfortunately, they're still looking like they're gonna be electing Bob Downey as the communist mayor of New York City.

• 1:37:45Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll see.

• 1:37:46Adam Sosnick?

  So the Bronx needs to step up, and the Bronx Bombers need to start sending out some flare guns.

• 1:37:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, we'll see what happens there. Next story I want to get into. Rob, can you pull up the sit-down between Tucker Carlson and Sam Altman?

• 1:38:01Adam Sosnick?

  Oh my God.

• 1:38:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Tucker sits down with Sam Altman. They're having a conversation together. Tucker, out of nowhere, all of a sudden, turns the interview into very, very serious, but fair question of what happened to one of Sam Altman's former employees. And here's what happened.

• 1:38:21Speaker 23

  You had complaints from one programmer who said you guys were basically stealing people's stuff and not paying them, and then he wound up murdered. What was that?

• 1:38:30Speaker 24

  Also a great tragedy. He committed suicide.

• 1:38:33Speaker 23

  Do you think he committed suicide?

• 1:38:34Speaker 24

  I really do.

• 1:38:35Speaker 23

  Have you looked?

• 1:38:36Speaker 24

  This was like a friend of mine. This is like a guy that, not a close friend, but this was someone that worked at OpenAI for a very long time. I spent, I was really shaken by this tragedy. I spent a lot of time trying to, you know, read everything I could, as I'm sure you and others did too, about what happened.

• 1:38:53Speaker 24

  It looks like a suicide to me. Why does it look like a suicide?

• 1:38:57Speaker 24

  It was a gun he had purchased. It was the, this was like gruesome to talk about, but I read the whole like medical record. Does it not look like one to you?

• 1:39:06Speaker 23

  No, he was definitely murdered, I think. There were signs of a struggle, of course. Surveillance camera, the wires had been cut. He had just ordered takeout food, come back from a vacation with his friends on Catalina Island. No indication at all that he was suicidal, no note, and no behavior. He had just spoken to a family member on the phone. And then he's found dead with blood in multiple rooms. So that's impossible. Seems really obvious he was murdered. Have you talked to the authorities about it?

• 1:39:32Speaker 24

  I have not talked to the authorities about it.

• 1:39:34Speaker 23

  And his mother claims he was murdered on your orders.

• 1:39:38Speaker 24

  Do you believe that?

• 1:39:39Speaker 23

  I'm, well, I'm asking.

• 1:39:40Speaker 24

  I mean, you just said it, so do you believe that?

• 1:39:44Speaker 23

  I think that it is worth looking into. And I don't, I mean, if a guy comes out and accuses your company of committing crimes, I have no idea if that's true or not, of course. And then is found killed and there are signs of a struggle, I don't think it's worth dismissing it. I don't think we should say, well, he killed himself when there's no evidence that the guy was depressed at all.

• 1:40:08Speaker 09

  Okay, I've been trying to...

• 1:40:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you give me a fibber, Rob? You know the facts of this story. Can you, can you, because we've had the family on. You want to kind of share with the audience who they're talking about?

• 1:40:22Speaker 22

  Yes, his name was Suchir Balaji. He was in OpenAI Researcher, worked for the company for a long time, was quickly rising up within the company, but started bringing up issues of copyright and the issues that the AI software was running into regarding that copyright. And then all of a sudden, he went to Catalina Island, just like Sam Altman and Tucker talked about. Went to Catalina Island with his friends for a weekend, comes back, is in a great mood. We interviewed and spoke with his parents. Both of them said, they talked to him when he came back, he had no signs of suicidal ideation or anything like that. And then the next thing you know, they find him dead inside of his home.

• 1:41:02Speaker 22

  Like Tucker mentioned, camera wires cut, very odd blood stains all over the apartment. When you look at the footage from inside the apartment, which the family provided us, when you look around the footage, it looks like it's a crime scene. There's things all over the place. And yet they ruled that this death was a suicide.

• 1:41:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so.

• 1:41:21Speaker 09

  What does the authorities say? Which is, which is.

• 1:41:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Suicide.

• 1:41:24Speaker 09

  It's a suicide which even gets even. How did they justify? Adam, it's almost the same, bro, with, with Mark Middleton, who was hanging from a tree with an extension cord. They couldn't find the shotgun and the, the, the police, the detective said it's suicide, as if people are all paid off and they're all in on it. And I, I absolutely love, listen, say what you want, people hate Tucker. Mind you, remember that list I was, I was talking about where Charlie's on and that we're on? Tucker's up there. Tucker's up there. You know why? He's asking questions. Love him or hate him. He wants to know the truth. Okay? And I don't know how everybody else feels. Seeing Sam Altman's body language and the way his energy was coming off, something seems a little off. And if this was a movie and I

• 1:42:08Speaker 09

  heard everything that Tucker just said, and I heard everything that Rob just basically explained, and I saw the podcast with a crying mother who believes that her son was murdered, if it was a movie, guess what? I would say, just like in the movie Michael Clayton with George Clooney, you know, this huge billion dollar company, multi-billion dollar company, when somebody is talking and somebody's opening their mouth, it's not that hard, guys. It's not that hard to have somebody that's on payroll, but in, in a secret way to go and kill somebody and make it look like it was a suicide. And in this case, they did a horrible, horrible job. OpenAI is worth what? 500 billion dollars? And you have somebody internally saying, guys, they're stealing and, and you could be a potential lawsuit to destroy your company?

• 1:42:53Speaker 09

  It's not that hard. Guys, it's not flesh and blood. It's evil and evil just goes, by the way, even if, I'm not accusing anybody at OpenAI of doing anything, but you think it's that hard? When these people give orders, when, when Bush or any of these people say, go and kill, it's not as if they're killing. Go drop bombs on Iraq, weapons of mass destruction. They're not signing it off. None of these people do it. They just say, hey, this, a decision needs to be made, go do it. If they're even involved. So it's like, I, I, and I ha, I watched the podcast just to see all the stuff that was in there. There is no way you could, you could convince me that he killed himself, Adam. Zero. There's zero for me. You know, you say 100%. He was 100% murdered. Plain and simple.

• 1:43:37Patrick Bet-David?

  In your opinion?

• 1:43:37Speaker 09

  In my opinion?

• 1:43:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom.

• 1:43:39Speaker 09

  Yes. So this, you know.

• 1:43:44Tom Ellsworth?

  You look at it with common sense and you say to yourself,

• 1:43:51Tom Ellsworth?

  "How is it possible for this to happen in the face of all this?" Because you can have conclusion-based evidence. You know, someone makes a conclusion, gives it to you, and you accept the conclusion. Or you just look at simple facts that have all been laid out, and I won't repeat them here, and you're saying, "This is a suicide." Really? I mean, this is like Vince Foster and all the inconsistency. They never found the bullet. The gun, fact, that's a fact, not a conclusion. The gun was on the wrong side, and so for his last act, he committed suicide, apparently, as they say, with the wrong hand. "You know what, I've been right-handed all my life, but to call this one off,

• 1:44:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm gonna shoot myself on my left." Or whatever it was. And you see those things, and you see it called suicide. That's why now, Pat, we have the word "suicided" in our lexicon. Go look at the origin of the word "suicided." "He got suicided." And why do we start talking that way? Why do we use that word? It's because that we're, the public and the fair-minded news media, looks at it with such disdain and said, "Well, I guess he got suicided." "Suicided" means, regardless of what it says, some medical examiner will sign a piece of paper, paid off, instructed, pick the word you like, and it's a suicide. And that appears here.

• 1:45:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Then you go to, "Okay, so one simple question. Who influenced the head of the law enforcement responsible for investigating jurisdiction? There's one person in that jurisdiction responsible for investigating homicides, and suicide is a homicide. There's one person responsible for signing off on the medical examiner report." So if you have two people...

• 1:45:47Adam Sosnick?

  That are paid off, or told, that's all you need. And then everybody else is told, keep your job, your mouth stays shut. It's so simple. It's so simple. But, you know, this looks like this kid was suicided.

• 1:46:00Speaker 09

  If this was a movie, Tom, if this was a movie, you would know who the bad guy was. You know what I mean? There's no questioning it.

• 1:46:07Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know what happened in this situation, but I do want to address Tucker Carlson for a second, or sometimes what I'd like to call him, Two-Face Tucker. Where's this energy when you're interviewing American foes? You feel very comfortable pushing the Ted Cruzes of the world, and the Sam Altman's of the world, people who are Americans and love America. Where's this energy when you're interviewing Putin, buddy? Where's this interview when you're interviewing Putin's right-hand man, Sergey Lavrov? Where's this energy, even a speck of it, Two-Face Tucker? When you're interviewing the president of Iran, Peseshkian? Give me a little bit of that energy, Tucker. I'm just asking questions. So save me the moral virtue signaling, hey, hey, I'm just asking questions,

• 1:46:51Adam Sosnick?

  and use it with people who actually hate America. Cool, great. Ask tough questions to people who you have differences with, great. But keep that energy when you're interviewing America's enemies. That's my thoughts on Two-Face Tucker.

• 1:47:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, he kept the energy with Mark Cuban. I don't know if you guys saw this with Mark Cuban. Oh, what a good one. And Ukraine. If you want to go to that Mark Cuban clip with Ukraine, here's what happened there. If you want to go to it. So they're at the All In Podcast event. And David Sacks asked questions about Ukraine. And then this is what Mark Cuban said, and then this is what Tucker said. Go for it.

• 1:47:32Speaker 25

  Mark, let me ask you a question. What's your take on whether we should be sending money to Ukraine or not? Were you in favor of that? Man, they need it.

• 1:47:38Speaker 26

  I mean, honestly, I don't have a good answer. You know, I can make an argument both ways, and half my family's Ukrainian, from my grandparents. And so, you know, personally, I think we should help, but I don't have a studied answer for you.

• 1:47:51Speaker 23

  How much money have you sent to Ukraine?

• 1:47:52Speaker 26

  None.

• 1:47:53Speaker 23

  Oh, so what do you mean by "we"? You're the one whose family's from Ukraine. Like, why don't you send them a billion dollars?

• 1:47:58Speaker 26

  Because I'm trying to fix healthcare.

• 1:47:59Speaker 23

  Why don't you fix their healthcare if you're like so deep? If you think "we" need to help, why don't you start? How about you first? I notice that's never like even an option for anybody. It's like, "We need to help!" That's not what charity is. Forcing other people to help is not charity. It's vanity.

• 1:48:16Speaker 09

  Cuban did not like that and he didn't know what to do with it, you see that?

• 1:48:20Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, but no, if Mark Cuban was smart, which I know he is, he could have said, "Well, we're all sending money to Ukraine." It's called taxes, and I assume a billionaire is paying a massive amount of taxes.

• 1:48:30Speaker 09

  He could have said that, but he opened himself up, "My family's Ukrainian."

• 1:48:34Adam Sosnick?

  Who's paid the most amount of taxes in the history of America? I think it's Elon Musk.

• 1:48:37Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 1:48:37Adam Sosnick?

  I can fact check that.

• 1:48:38Speaker 09

  Adam, it's the same.

• 1:48:39Adam Sosnick?

  So I'm not advocating sending more money or not sending more money to Ukraine.

• 1:48:43Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 1:48:43Adam Sosnick?

  But if Mark Cuban was on his feet, which on his toes, he could have said, "Yeah, we're all sending money, and so are you, Tucker."

• 1:48:48Speaker 09

  Yeah, but it kind of, it reminds me of the people, Adam, that are just the most vocal, pro-open border, "Open it, how dare you? You don't care. Will you take any in your house? Hell no. My sister lives with me." Yeah, bull crap. It's the same freaking attitude. If he cares that much and he thinks that we should help him, help him more, Adam. Our taxes, of course. How many hundreds of billions have we sent? I'm but Rob, to Ukraine, I'm gonna guess 130 billion?

• 1:49:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it's committed 185, of which we've done 107 or 80, uh, we've done 100 of it.

• 1:49:19Speaker 09

  Yeah, yeah, 87 billion. If you're gonna talk the talk, walk the walk, give a little more, Adam, because they can.

• 1:49:25Tom Ellsworth?

  And then you gotta be careful when you dive into this, because some of the money is going to US defense contractors. "Oh, we didn't give it to Ukraine. We gave it to Boeing and they sent bombs."

• 1:49:34Adam Sosnick?

  Well, that's the same story.

• 1:49:35Tom Ellsworth?

  But there's, there's word games being played.

• 1:49:40Adam Sosnick?

  There is a phrase back over there.

• 1:49:41Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a phrase for that, I think it's called the military-industrial complex. Okay, let's go to the next story. Let's go to the next story.

• 1:49:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Those guys.

• 1:49:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump has heated call with Netanyahu over strike, Israel's strike on Qatar, okay? And this is a Wapo story, Washington Post story, talking about this call that they had with Trump and Bibi. Let me read this story to you.

• 1:50:10Patrick Bet-David?

  President Trump had a heated call with Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu on Tuesday. Senior U.S. Administration official conveyed deep frustration at being blindsided at Israel's strike on Hamas representatives in Qatar. Trump told Netanyahu that the decision to target Hamas political leaders in Doha, Qatar's capital, wasn't wise. He was angry to learn about the attack as it was occurring from the U.S. military rather than from Israel, and it struck the territory of another U.S. ally that was mediating negotiations on ending the Gaza War, the official said. Netanyahu responded that he had a brief window to launch the strikes and took the opportunity. Second call was cordial. Officials say as Trump asked Netanyahu if the attack had proven successful, Netanyahu said he didn't know. Hours later, Hamas claimed that Israel's targets survived the strikes.

• 1:50:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Those six lower-level members were killed. A senior administration official said Trump, "A staunch supporter of Israel's, it's increasingly frustrating when Netanyahu continually boxes in with aggressive moves taken without U.S. input that clash with Trump's own Middle East goals in Gaza. Trump favors a ceasefire and releases of hostages." And then, at the same time, the White House came out and said, "Israel attack on Qatar, unfortunate but worthy." Rob, is this the clip? Go for it.

• 1:51:25Speaker 27

  This morning, the Trump administration was notified by the United States military that Israel was attacking Hamas, which, very unfortunately, was located in a section of Doha, the capital of Qatar. Unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a sovereign nation and close ally of the United States that is working very hard and bravely taking risks with us to broker peace, does not advance Israel or America's goals. However, eliminating Hamas, who have profited off the misery of those living in Gaza, is a worthy goal. President Trump immediately directed Special Envoy Whitkoff to inform the Qataris of the impending attack, which he did. The president views Qatar as a strong ally and friend of the United States and feels

• 1:52:10Speaker 27

  very badly about the location of this attack. President Trump wants all of the hostages in Gaza and the bodies of the dead released, and this war to end now. President Trump also spoke to Prime Minister Netanyahu after the attack. The prime minister told President Trump that he wants to make peace, and quickly. President Trump believes this unfortunate incident could serve as an opportunity for peace. The president also spoke to the Emir and Prime Minister of Qatar and thanked them for...

• 1:52:42Adam Sosnick?

  Adam, thoughts? Yeah, Qatar's our friend, like MS-13 is our friend down there in Mexico and El Salvador. This fake relationship that is ongoing with Qatar is becoming more exposed. So, why does Hamas terrorists feel very comfortable living in Doha, Qatar? Just ask me that.

• 1:53:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, why do they feel so comfortable staying in Qatar?

• 1:53:08Adam Sosnick?

  That's the question that I want to know. So, you ever heard of the term of a frenemy or a fake friend? Qatar has positioned themselves as this neutral arbitrator, helping the United States, but at the same time, trying to be an ally to terrorists in the Middle East. So, here's what I know. Israel has basically said, "No, remember the movie Wedding Crashers? When she goes, 'I hope you never try to leave me, because why? I'll find you.'" That's what the IDF and Mossad are basically telling terrorists. Whether it's Hezbollah with the beepers, beep beep boom. Whether it's the leaders of Hamas that are hanging out in Qatar in millionaire apartments, they're gonna find you.

• 1:53:52Adam Sosnick?

  And as an American, yeah, I would like an ally, a staunch ally of Israel, to maybe give me a heads up if I'm the President of the United States. But this sort of is counterintuitive, that Israel owns the United States, this whole subjugation over there. Okay, how about they're acting in the best interests of Israel? They've been pretty damn clear. They are going to eliminate Hamas and the leaders of Hamas. You may disagree, you may say that's crazy, you may not agree with it, I totally understand. But this is what Israel's saying. They're gonna find you and they're gonna take you out like they're Liam Neeson in Taken. I have one question, Adam.

• 1:54:28Tom Ellsworth?

  There's a big difference here. The difference here is, let me put it to you this way. So, the US has said that there are drug dealers in the hills just over the border and there's coyotes in the hills just over the border in Mexico. And we're gonna send military to do that. Those areas are rural, you know, desolate in many cases, like nothing there except little camps where they conduct their stuff. And okay, so you go into a little camp on the hills in the middle of freaking nowhere and you take some guys out. That... Okay, nobody in the world is gonna look at that. And they may say, "Well, that's, you know, Mexico's sovereign country, you shouldn't be doing that."

• 1:55:10Tom Ellsworth?

  But what if Mexico knew that there were bad guys that they don't like in Georgetown? Right there in Washington DC. Doha's the capital of Qatar. And so, you're going to not only a sovereign nation, you're going to a suburb of their capital to take out a bad guy. That's, you know, that's a couple of levels up.

• 1:55:34Adam Sosnick?

  Isn't that exactly what the United States did in Pakistan with Osama bin Laden? We have a relationship with Pakistan. Why does Osama bin Laden feel comfortable hiding out with Pakistan? Why is he in Islamabad? What's going down? How about, "We needed to take him out because he was the most wanted man in the world." According to the United States military and according to the Pentagon. So according to Mossad and IDF, these were the head of Hamas. I don't see a distinguishment, I don't see a difference. I could be wrong, but again, they wanna go after-

• 1:56:08Tom Ellsworth?

  A military action in a capital city of a foreign country? When you don't have the full support of the US and the US is a key ally of yours? In the Middle East where you're surrounded by people that want to exterminate you? I don't know, man. I think Israel got way out over its skis on this one. And if they wanted to take out some guys that are bad, I think there should have been a different thing. Because it's very clear that the White House is upset. It's very clear that the UN's upset. And you can't just keep saying, "Well, these people wanna kill Israel. Oh, there's a guy over here, there's a guy over here, let's go get them." They're bad and these people need to be rooted out and dealt with. But if you don't tell your ally, or you told us at the last minute,

• 1:56:53Tom Ellsworth?

  "Hey, I'm about to, um, I'm about to do something, uh, you don't hang up, I gotta tell you now." It's because it's just a couple of minutes away. However that happened, the US is pissed, the State Department's pissed, the DOD is pissed, the UN is pissed. Why are we pissed when we normally support people and say, "Hey, wait a minute. You're threatening that guy and one of your guys got killed." Easy does it, buddy.

• 1:57:13Adam Sosnick?

  I don't disagree with you. Again, as an American, I don't wanna see people basically going against US interests. But I'm speaking as someone who's looking into Bibi's mind. He basically said, "Do I wanna kill my biggest enemies?" Or-

• 1:57:29Speaker 09

  Still play the nice guy role as we've been, is it about to be the two year anniversary of October 7th? And yet, the leaders of Hamas are still hanging out in Doha, Qatar. If it was, how many years did it take to get Osama Bin Laden?

• 1:57:43Patrick Bet-David?

  This makes me uncomfortable.

• 1:57:44Speaker 09

  How many years?

• 1:57:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you why this makes me uncomfortable. So, US helped you out, especially Trump helped you out. If Trump's not the president, what does it look like? Could you get the job done on those three nuclear sites? Or did you need America's help? Help? You may have a great intel, you may have a great intelligence agency, Mossad, and you get a lot of intel for us, because we're not there. Yes, kudos to you. But who did you have to call to take out those three nuclear sites? Who needed to do those three things for you? Could you do it? Did you have the B-52 bombers to do it? Did you have the pilots and the training to do it? No, you didn't.

• 1:58:30Patrick Bet-David?

  So, when you understand that you ask for help and you call, and we keep low-key and we go and support you, and you want to do something like this, and it's not even a phone call to the guy that helped you take out those three nuclear... To me, it's... Look, diplomacy is one thing. And I actually support the fact that the president got furious with that call not being made, and at least saying, "Hey, is there any assets you got here that we don't know about? Is there anything that's here that we don't know? Because we don't want it to affect other relations you may have." This is your number one supporter. I think you should have made the call. That makes me uncomfortable.

• 1:59:11Speaker 09

  I'm going to be all over, not all over the place, but I have so many different thoughts and opinions. I mean, can you blame Bibi? I mean, if we're going to be honest, from what we've been seeing, from going back to Trump getting mad and Trump getting mad, if you know, Pat, if you're a kid and you know your parents aren't going to get, your dad's not going to yell at you, keep doing it. If my mom's not going to spank me for doing something, they're just going to go, "Hey, don't do that again." I'm going to keep doing it, over and over and over. So Bibi knows, nothing's ever going to... happened to him. That's my one point. Number two, me and Adam were talking on the ride over here. When it comes to Qatar, and trust me, I don't, I'm not cool with him doing the operation without saying it, but for how long are we keep hearing it's Hamas, they're in Hamas, I mean Hamas is in Qatar, they're in Qatar.

• 1:59:53Speaker 09

  Guess what? At one point, they were gonna go there, period. And what we saying, Adam? You're gonna keep killing the bees, Pat. We keep killing Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas. The beehive, apparently, the leaders are all, they're all in Qatar. They're all hiding out there. They're not in Gaza, they're not on the ground. So if you, that's the thing. You go after the beehive. You don't keep killing the individual bees. Um, and then when it comes to the hostages, and mind you, Adam, and trust me, I love you, I love you to death. You're one of my brothers, and I understand the passion and thing for Israel. But when it comes to the hostages, and they keep, for instance, let me, let me take a step back. We're going after the leaders. We keep going, you kill six leaders, six more are coming right back. These are terrorists. They don't disappear. They drop down, like if God forbid, something happened to

• 2:00:36Speaker 09

  anybody in our chain of command in the military, next up in line. It's not gonna stop.

• 2:00:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Like a Hydra.

• 2:00:41Speaker 09

  It is, it is, Tommy, it is.

• 2:00:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Grows another head.

• 2:00:43Speaker 09

  So my thing is this, and we keep seeing these precision targets, we keep seeing all this stuff. But when it comes to the, these poor freaking hostages, it's an unattainable objective. Okay, they keep saying, well, we're gonna, unless we get the hostages back. You're doing all this stuff around the world, how about, cause Gaza is flattened. Set up an operation, cause I know you have the knowledge, I know you guys have the technology. Get down there and go after them. Go, get the freaking hostages. Okay, and guess what if it comes down to a fight and some of them die, I'm sorry? That's a freaking war. That is war. We have to go get them, cause they're getting tortured as we speak. They're getting starved as we speak. And the excuse that people are getting tired of is, well, not until we get the hostages back.

• 2:01:27Speaker 09

  Well, guess what? Set up a mission like you set a freaking drone that blew up a Hamas leader and an apartment in his room. They didn't affect the building at all, they went after the one guy. Use that technology, use your operation, use thermal, whatever, find out where the hell they are. Go down there, I'm sorry, some of them are probably going to die, but enough of this shit. Go down there, fight for them, and if some of them die, I'm sorry, that's a casualty of war. Because people are getting upset, because it's like, come on, man.

• 2:01:56Tom Ellsworth?

  It's not that there's some really bad leaders that need to die, there are.

• 2:02:00Speaker 09

  I agree.

• 2:02:00Tom Ellsworth?

  But there's, there's a, there's, you gotta coordinate this a little better, and it can't be, I'm sorry I didn't call you, I bombed them in Doha.

• 2:02:07Adam Sosnick?

  In Qatar, whatever, it's a military base out in the middle of nowhere in the sand? No, it was kinda in town, near the capital.

• 2:02:15Speaker 09

  Wait, in downtown, like, yeah. You what? Did you see where I'm coming from?

• 2:02:19Adam Sosnick?

  By the way, I'm 1 million percent understanding your guys frustration.

• 2:02:23Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 2:02:24Adam Sosnick?

  On why you'd be frustrated about not making a call to Trump. I think he should have.

• 2:02:28Speaker 09

  I know, I know you do.

• 2:02:29Adam Sosnick?

  At the same time, I'm saying, we don't have all the information. Cause it might have been-

• 2:02:34Speaker 09

  Here comes the free pass.

• 2:02:37Adam Sosnick?

  Tom?

• 2:02:38Speaker 09

  No, I'm serious. Here comes the free pass.

• 2:02:39Adam Sosnick?

  It might have been, hey, by the way, breaking news, those guys we've been looking for, they're all in the same building. They're gonna be there for lunch, you've got 15 minutes. I don't know how this works.

• 2:02:49Speaker 09

  I agree with, I mean-

• 2:02:50Adam Sosnick?

  But here's what I will say about your whack-a-mole sort of perspective of like, if you kill them, more people are gonna pop up. Well, that's what you could say about ISIS, that's what you could say about Al Qaeda, that's what you could say about the Nazis, that's what you could say about MS-13, that's what you could say about the Venezuelan drug boats that we've been eliminating. You gotta eliminate the bad guys, and whatever happens after that, you deal with the ramifications. You don't not eliminate terrorists, you don't not eliminate Nazis, just because maybe more will pop up. Maybe there will, maybe there won't. You need to eliminate the bad people while you can.

• 2:03:30Speaker 09

  I got, but I think root and stem, Trump, when Trump came in, Adam, he killed ISIS, period. They were gone.

• 2:03:38Adam Sosnick?

  But you think ISIS still exists though?

• 2:03:40Speaker 09

  Yep, hold on, under Biden, yeah, under the flag, but Trump killed all of them, unapologetic, get in there, kill everybody. So when it comes to this situation-

• 2:03:50Adam Sosnick?

  You're proving my point.

• 2:03:50Speaker 09

  No, no.

• 2:03:51Adam Sosnick?

  They didn't say, "Don't kill ISIS, cause more ISIS will pop up."

• 2:03:54Speaker 09

  I, I agree, but what I'm saying is, the threat, the, the main threat right now, Adam, and I, yes, the, the leaders around the world, I want, the, the terrorists are in Gaza, they're underground, I don't know where else they're hiding them, set up an operation, and go and get them. Enough is enough.

• 2:04:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna do one last story before we wrap up.

• 2:04:13Adam Sosnick?

  The infantry are, but the leaders are in Qatar. My only question is, why do they feel comfortable hanging out in a US ally?

• 2:04:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do one last story.

• 2:04:22Adam Sosnick?

  Three times is enough, let's wrap this one.

• 2:04:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Last story, Texas bans Sharia law after viral clip of Muslim cleric's threat causes steer. Go ahead, Rob.

• 2:04:35Speaker 28

  This is the beginning of the campaign. We're trying to, we're serving notice to America and the world that enough is enough. The Muslims, the people who call themselves Muslims should not be selling haram in their stores. The pork, alcohol, and the gambling, it needs to stop. This is a sample of the signs that we will be using to demonstrate, as we launch this demonstration on, is that we are giving dawa. We are giving dawa to the people, and the more dawa that we give, the more people accept Islam. And the more people accept Islam, the less demand there will be for stores just like this that don't have any rules, no limitations of what they sell. So we're going to launch this. Beware, everybody, we're coming after you. Assalamu alaikum ra'matullah.

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• 2:06:19Speaker 28

  Assalamu alaikum. Brother Mutman, I remember you, remember you? I told you I was going to come back and see. I was so happy to see Muslim. Always, I'm always glad to see a Muslim. Especially one with the beat of her name, Mutman. It's a part of our believer. What I wanted to, the information that I have for you is that this is the United States of America and here the law protects people no matter what they want to do, honestly. Okay, however, as Muslims, we have an obligation to uphold the Deen of Islam and do everything correctly according to the Deen and we don't get desperate to try to do anything haram, right? Okay, this store that you manage here, and by you being Muslim, it has haram products here.

• 2:07:03Speaker 28

  It has pork, alcohol, and gambling, which is against Islam. Okay? Now, I don't have a right to stop you, but I just want to let you know that as a Muslim, I'm obligated to teach the people in the neighborhood correctly, because we give a lot of Dawa and many people around here are attracted to Islam. So what we're doing is I'm letting you know that, and whoever the owner is, I know you're only the manager, that by the end, about towards the end of this month, we're kicking off a national protesting and demonstration campaign against all Muslim businesses that have haram in their stores. The pork, alcohol, and gambling, okay, that'll give them, that gives them, at least to the

• 2:07:45Speaker 28

  end of this month, to change their inventory or either move to a different neighborhood. Assalamualaikum. Okay, we're here now at Jack's Food Store, right here in this neighborhood.

• 2:07:54Patrick Bet-David?

  What is he doing, Rob? He's just going to different stores? He's warning them.

• 2:07:57Speaker 22

  He goes around to local business owners and is warning them that they need to stop selling pork, lottery tickets, alcohol, because they are against the Islamic faith.

• 2:08:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, Governor Abbott comes out and announced a ban on Sharia law in the state over a viral video that showed an Imam pressuring Muslim-owned shops to stop selling pork, alcohol, and lottery tickets. The governor said that if anyone attempting to impose Sharia law should be reported immediately. If this person or anyone attempts to impose Sharia compliance, report it to a local law enforcement or text the Department of Public Safety.

• 2:08:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Controversy began when Imam Rassim Ibn Ali Khan of Masjid Al-Tawwid was filmed confronting a store owner, so that's the clip. Khan launched a campaign. Adam, your thoughts on the story?

• 2:08:41Adam Sosnick?

  Well, we have one law in this country, and it is the Constitution of the United States, and it is the, everything that came from our founding fathers, it is no other law than that. Plain and simple. Sharia law, if you want to do Sharia law, you can take a one-way ticket to any place you'd like in the Middle East, anywhere in the Muslim world, feel free, brother. Assalamualaikum. In America, we practice one law, that's the Constitution, that's the United States law, straight up, read a book. My interpretation of this man right here, my opinion, is he was not born Muslim. He was a dude who most likely went to jail and came out of jail a Muslim.

• 2:09:22Adam Sosnick?

  He didn't come here, you can just tell, there's no accent, he didn't come from Saudi Arabia, he didn't come from Palestine, none of it. He came and was probably left prison, then why am I saying something like that? Because that's where they get people to convert to Islam, more than any place in the world in America today. They come out of prison, they turn to Islam. Listen, if you were born as a Muslim, respect to you, brother, totally understand. One law in America, and it ain't Sharia, homeboy. Respect to Governor Abbott for implementing this law.

• 2:09:54Tom Ellsworth?

  So, this video is not really connected to the story, but it is connected to the story. What Governor Abbott is concerned about is the Muslims have been very open about creating mosques and schools together, and through the mosque, they will enforce Sharia law. And so they're saying, wait a minute, you're not going to take a woman in there and, you know, do a divorce proceeding and then conduct a beating on her, under Sharia law, for her disobedience?

• 2:10:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Sorry, we're not doing that in America. So it's the consequence that's coming after this that Governor Abbott is trying to get in front of Pat. He's trying to get way in front of this. Because this guy's going door to door. "Hey, you say you're a Muslim, you shouldn't be selling this stuff." On the surface, okay. "Hey, you claim to be this faith, we don't do these things, so this is my fifth visit to you." So what he's worried about is what comes next. What comes next when the storekeeper doesn't comply? And Muslims are very hard on those who claim the faith but don't abide by it. And so what Abbott is trying to do is saying, "You will not have Sharia courts and you

• 2:11:07Tom Ellsworth?

  will not conduct consequences against people that violate their rights as Americans and our American law." And I applaud Governor Abbott for doing that because that's what he's trying to get in front of.

• 2:11:19Adam Sosnick?

  Well, the question is if New York City or any place in Michigan are going to implement something like this. Why did Governor Abbott take the lead on this? Because after New York City, after Dearborn, Michigan, do you know what city in the United States has the most amount of Muslims? It's Houston, Texas. And listen, I'm an American, I believe in freedom of speech, I believe in freedom of religion. If you're a Muslim, respect to you, brother. But there's one law in the United States, and that's the Constitution. I'm not sure.

• 2:11:48Speaker 09

  So here's what you guys might not like my take on this, but is he, what, I don't think he was enforcing Sharia law. I think he was telling this Muslim store owner, like, "You're being a hypocrite and we're just gonna protest." I don't, I understand, I love what Governor Abbott's saying, and by the way, I don't agree with Sharia law, nor I agree to their practices and with the women and the gays and all that stuff, but Pat, you have to, you have to give him credit. Not tolerant, he has conviction, he's telling them the truth. He's telling him, like, "Yo, little, you're a freaking hypocrite and you're not supposed to be doing it." I agree with just making videos and putting them out there and putting the guy on blast. It's like when you see a Christian that owns a strip club, or a weed shop, or a sex shop. You're like, "Yo, bro, you speak the faith, you are a Christian, are we supposed to just turn the eye on him?"

• 2:12:32Speaker 09

  Like, "Yeah, but he's made money, he's paying taxes, and he's giving his tithes to the church." I don't agree with the Sharia law at all, but you gotta give this guy credit for going up to people and keeping them in check and making videos and putting them on blast on the internet. Because if you're gonna talk the talk, walk the walk. Are you really a Muslim? Are you really a Christian? You know what I mean?

• 2:12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, you gotta give him credit for what he believes in and kudos to him. Rob, I sent you a picture, yes, I don't know if you have it or not, about a man I met at the Vault Conference yesterday. If you do have it, please upload it. This is a guy that came up to me last night. He says, "Pat, it's my fourth Vault Conference I've come to, back to back to back to back." He says, "Last see you brought me up on the stage." Okay? And he says, "You have to realize, I don't agree with you politically. I don't agree with you where you're at." He says, "I'm a Palestinian and I'm Muslim." Okay?

• 2:13:27Speaker 09

  I saw him through the lobby at something like the morning.

• 2:13:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, do you have it or you don't have? I don't have that photo. Okay, let me try to send it to you. He says, "I'm Palestinian and I, you know, I'm a Muslim. And I don't like some of the things that you say." He says, "But you have no idea how much I respect you." And he was so respectful about the whole thing. I'd like to recognize the guy. If we have the picture, Rob, to put it up there. But, no, I understand. I understand people that are coming up and, you know, wanting to spread their faith. But Adam makes a very good point. Go back to your country. If you, you know, you want Sharia law to be in your, you know, shared in the country you're in, go back to your country. Go back to a place where those things can apply. This man right here, Palestinian Muslim, who came to the Vault for the fourth time in a row.

• 2:14:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, Texas is dealing with it.

• 2:14:17Speaker 09

  Wow, good for him.

• 2:14:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for him, exactly. Texas is dealing with it right now and we're gonna see what's gonna be happening, especially with what just happened with Charlie. I'm just very curious how some states across the country are gonna handle different events that happen. Because again, my biggest concern is zero to civil war from one event. And it could be a very weird event the next couple of weeks. The more the temperatures are down the next couple of weeks, the better for everybody. I pray that happens. Gang, thanks for being here with us on today's podcast. We got a few other stories to go through, but we'll do it next week.

• 2:14:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And if you support the brand folks and you support Vinnie Angry Patriot, go to VTmerch.com, place an order. Get a hat, get a t-shirt. Rob, can you go a little bit lower? There's different types of t-shirts, you know, you got a bunch of different things. Dog tags, mugs. Stickers, get your angry patriot gear, represent it, especially at a season like this, for people to know you're a patriot and for people to know you're not happy with the events that took place the last couple of days. God bless everybody, have a great weekend, we'll do it again next week, take care, bye bye.

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