PBD PODCAST MIDTERMS LIVE | 2026 🇺🇸 Election Results, Breaking News & Guests

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team cover the 2026 Midterm Elections from the exclusive Boardroom Cigar Lounge, featuring Glenn Beck, Piers Morgan, Ann Coulter, Cenk Uygur, Roger Stone, Bill O’Reilly, and more. Listen to election-night results, breaking news, and heated debates as both sides weigh in on the battle for control of the House and Senate. One night. Both sides. Control of Congress on the line. 🇺🇸 Originally broadcast live on November 3, 2026, on YouTube and C-SPAN. ------ 💬 Text FORTY to (310) 340-1132 to get our exclusive list of 40 celebrities who should consider running for office! 🥃 BECOME A MEMBER OF THE BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🍿 Join the Angel Guild and vote on which family movies get made: https://Angel.com/PBD 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd 👞 Get the NEW Billionaire Suede Loafer: https://bit.ly/4ym5oRA 👕 SHOP THE ICON COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3TuUU3x 👞 GET THE FLB1’s: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ------ FOLLOW OUR YOUTUBE CHANNELS: @VALUETAINMENT @BetDavidConsulting @vtgenz @ValuetainmentComedy ------ ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media and the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster). He is a father of two boys and two girls and resides in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:18Speaker 00

  Alright, we're live. For everybody joining us out there, whether you're on YouTube, C-SPAN, or live audience, make some noise. You look great here. Everybody's wondering, some people, they have the face, I mean, get what the face looks like, they're like, Ben, is it gonna be a good night, bad night, blood, bloodbath, what's gonna happen, just talk to, uh, what do you call it, an anarchist very, and Jake, and they got a big smile on their face. Nobody knows what's gonna happen tonight. I was having dinner with a couple of our friends, uh, at a beautiful wedding, Sean had a wedding last week, and I'm sitting next to his poster, I said, so, who's gonna win, who's gonna lose, is this bad? Well, there's some people who are saying this person's gonna win, it's red, or it's blue, it's gonna be a toss-up all night, we'll find out. We can't give you guys what to expect on who we have with us here tonight.

• 1:03Speaker 00

  Timeline, number one, at 6:00 PM, Kentucky and Indiana, we're gonna find out what happens there, partial. 7:00 PM is Georgia, South Carolina, Tom's gonna have an update for us here in a minute, everybody make some noise for Sexy Thomas Ellsworth in the house, he's gonna be on the other side, at the VT Decision Desk, uh, sharing some of the data, 7:30 is Carolina, North Carolina, Ohio, 8:00 PM is Maine, Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Michigan, then we got Arkansas, then Iowa, Wisconsin, nine, Arizona, New York, Michigan, Texas, final. Nevada, Montana, Utah, then California is 11, and Washington 11, Hawaii, Alaska, midnight, Alaska final, one, we will not be here for Alaska, Alaska, all the good people in Alaska,

• 1:43Speaker 00

  all the great Dan Sullivan's in Alaska, there's like 17 Dan Sullivan's to all of you, Dan Sullivan, J, S, whatever game you guys are playing. And then, special guests we have here tonight, of course, our panel with Tom, Adam is here, what is Adam doing here, but we got Adam, Vinnie, Elon, Snyder, we got Lyndy Lee in the house, then we're gonna have Andrew Wilson with us here tonight, Ben Burgess, for some of you guys that know Ben Burgess, he's a socialist philosopher. Is he somewhere here, I can't wait to have him up on the station, we have a good time. Then we have Brian Call, where's Brian Call from Hangover, he's somewhere around here, drinking all the liquor, keep drinking, buddy.

• 2:21Speaker 00

  We got CJ Pearson, we got the great, be like Poland, Dominic Targenski's in the house, where's Dominic, yeah, he's somewhere around here doing his thing. I think he's still in the back getting makeup on. Emily Wilson, I probably shouldn't have said that, Dominic, it's okay, you look good. Francis Suarez, Mayor Suarez, this sexy Mayor Suarez will be here tonight. And then we have James Fishback, James O'Keefe, Jared Moskowitz, is gonna show, the Democratic Congressman, who's actually on the ballot, he's gonna be here tonight. Snyder's on, Jera Turner, who by the way, she fooled a last minute yesterday. Uh, and Ken Paxton, insider, I had her fly, and I said, I wanna kinda give you the insight, if you can share with some of the audience, she's gonna be here with us as well. She's somewhere in the room, and then we got Michael Francis, he should be here, if you go up to him, whatever you say, don't piss him off, but he's gonna be in the room as well.

• 3:07Speaker 00

  Mickey Mace, anybody knows Mickey Mace, the, the, the guy that plays cards, casino, he's gonna give a different angle. Paul Renner, the former Speaker of the House for the state of Florida, he's here as well. And then we got Randy Fine, Robert Dobby, Roger Stone, Steve O from Jackass, if you know Steve O, he may be joining us as well. Viva Fry, Bo with him, and Pierce Morgan, Bill O'Reilly, I think a bunch of people will be, and Stephen A. Smith, we may have Clem Beck, you know, Jake Uger, we're gonna have some very interesting people, given their perspective. And we may have a couple surprises, as we're going through this as well. Now, a couple numbers to share with you before we get started. Early ballot voting, record-breaking, Tom, 59 million people have already casted their votes for the midterm, this has never happened before.

• 3:53Speaker 00

  Texas, 7.7 million, Florida, 5.4 million, Carolina, 2.83, North Carolina, California, 6.66, Georgia, 2.83, Michigan, 2.31. And there's a lot of things, the President was on a campaign trail, 30 different stops he had, he's on the road making his last presentation, even today, I think he said something that's got a lot of people on Twitter excited about, he said, you know what? We're gonna stop the funding for this one, did you guys hear that one, what he said today? Trying to see if that's gonna work, it's not gonna work, anyways, they're trying every single thing. And, uh, if it goes his way, everybody here's getting $5,000 apparently, which I, this, this crowd here doesn't need $5,000, they need to give $5,000, but that's a different story. So, Tom, your opinion, a lot of people are thinking, do you think it's gonna be a bloodbath?

• 4:38Speaker 00

  Do you think it is gonna be something where Democrats are gonna sweep both the House and the Senate?

• 4:44Speaker 00

  Can we turn on Tom, please? Well, I think it goes without saying, right now that we're seeing where the House is, I think the House is, is done. Um, it's just about- Tom, you're saying it's done? I think the House is done. Um, it's just 7:00 PM, it's done? Well, I, I think, you know, that's just where it is, the question is gonna be, how far above 230 seats is, uh, on the Democrat side? At the House, now, the Senate is gonna be far more exciting, there's very tight races out there, and you've got all the polling, all the prognosticators, everybody, let's go. I think you have a lot of turnout myth that's gonna happen in places like Kansas, Texas, uh, South Carolina, Darlene Graham, there's a lot that's there.

• 5:24Speaker 00

  And so, some exit polls, places, there's places in Kentucky, exit polls that are showing there is a bit of a blue shift. But that's early, only about 50% of precincts reporting, so, I'm, I'm feeling the blue move, but I'm not really ready to call tsunami yet, but, um, I'm, I'm feeling- You wanna work it, we have 30 minutes, so you can kinda give us an idea what the 7:00, 7:10 races are, so, like, Lyndy, your thoughts were, yeah, do you have a different perspective than what Thomas thinking?

• 5:50Speaker 01

  I am sorry, but I don't, I think Tom is right, and, I mean, how many times do we say that Tom is right, he's certainly right-

• 5:55Speaker 00

  You gotta stop, because it's really getting him a little bit too confident, and he's asking for a race every single day, and honestly, it's costing a lot of money.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Awesome, I'm from a different perspective, can you guys hear me? I'm a former fundraiser, so for me, it's a money game, and this race costs more than 11.5 billion dollars. That's more than any other race in American history, and this is a midterms, mind you. So, there's so much money pouring in at this point, it's, we're kinda at a saturation point. So, the question is, why aren't people, why are people still spending money on ads that may not even work? It's because neither side wants to be the first to unilaterally disarm. And so, that's why you have Elon Musk pouring 158 million dollars into Texas alone. 158 million, that's more than both sides combined.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Let me tell you right now, I don't know what's gonna happen in Texas, but I do know that if Ken Paxton pulls it off, it's gonna be due to one man, and that name is Elon Musk.

• 6:53Speaker 00

  And by the way, you know, it's funny, you're saying how much he's put into just Texas, does anybody know how much he's put into this midterm, does anyone know the number? Already, 446 million dollars he's put into the midterms. Just so you guys know, when people talk about Soros putting money, he, and it's a lot, and, and the number is like 650, 670, he's already passing them up. If it's 446 just in the midterms, how much money do you think Elon's gonna put into 2028 presidential election? I think in 2028, he'll be the first person ever to put a billion dollars into a campaign ever, he'll do that in 2028. And between 2026 and 2028, if you think who they're gonna be investigating, Elon, stop, making one man's life a living hell, I don't think it's gonna be Trump, I think Musk's life

• 7:36Speaker 00

  is gonna be a living hell for the next 24 months, because they know a billion dollars is coming in from one person. Elon, where are you at with this? Yeah, I'm on, uh, I'm on the same page as, uh- Is anybody different than what, does anybody have a different angle? I do, sir. Let's hear what you gotta say. Well, I'm, my number one focus is Florida. Can we mute Adam's microphone, go, keep going?

• 7:57Speaker 00

  Here, even if I, uh, might have a different opinion, I believe that we live collectively, great-looking people here, that we live and operate in the best city, in the best state, in the best country in the world. So, I don't know what's gonna happen in Texas, I don't know what's gonna happen, uh, with Trafalgar or Sayed, I'm just so thankful that we're here in South Florida. And I've gone all in on Byron Donalds, we're gonna see what happens, uh, with that. But, I, I do, I do believe that the pollsters tend to go a little bit to the left, so I'm hoping and praying that they're right, so we'll see. Yeah, I don't think there's much of a chance for the House, though, I do think the Senate is still a potential toss-up, but either way, I think it's gonna wake up, wherever it ends up. Or us to just look at the messaging that's been working or resonating with Americans.

• 8:42Speaker 00

  With the messages, but also the actions, I mean, listen, I'm, we're, I'm fusing sprite, no matter what, I don't, I don't see, bro, I don't put my trust in politicians, or left, or right, or, I, I believe in God, my faith is in God, so we're always gonna be all right. No matter what, we win, that's number one, but number two, we have to admit, but, I, the House, we heard the House was lost, months, like, everybody was telling me this was like a, a surprise, the Senate is a little bit of a shift. But you have to be honest, like, what are people, what are the main things that people are focusing on, bro? Affordability is ridiculous, or that a lot of people, it's not just a small fringe, we're like, bro, why do we do it, midnight hammer, okay, go ahead and take out the, the, their, their nuclear capability. But going this way, and people gas, Pat made a great point last week, what was the stat, Pat, about people looking at the gas prices?

• 9:26Speaker 00

  64% in a way that they vote, it's in votes based on what the gas prices are, they walk outside and look at the gas, and they go, I'm voting for the people that didn't do this. And you can't do something with that, I wanna show you something, I wanna do something, show something that everybody out there's gonna be shocked with. Every day we hear about how high the gas prices are, yes or no, make some noise if you heard that before, from median to the point that some of us are convinced- My God, the gas prices are so high. Now, this is what I want you to do, pull up the chart for me, please, I have the guys pull up these numbers, watch this here, folks. Today, gas prices today is $4.14. If we go back in history, and we adjust it for inflation, Vinnie, I want you to take a look at this, if you adjust it for inflation, today, what is that number, uh, based on some of the numbers?

• 10:09Speaker 00

  2012, it was 7, 7:35, who was President in 2012?

• 10:13Speaker 02

  That was Obama.

• 10:14Speaker 00

  Barack Obama, if you go back and look at 2014, 602, who was President in 2014? That was Barack Obama. If you go to 2022, it was $5. Who was President in 2022?

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Joseph.

• 10:27Speaker 00

  Joseph Biden, if you go to, so if you look at these numbers, and you see what's going on, you have to say, credit to the marketers, that have been able to exaggerate some of the crisis, because if there's one thing that I think the Trump administration has dropped the ball on us, the following. The moment we, how many of us, three years ago, all we thought about the border, how many guys were concerned about the border? Security as parents, as a father, as a husband, as a, you're like, hey, we got a, security's number one. Boom, the border's closed, and they don't talk about-

• 10:55Speaker 03

  about that massive accomplishment that they had for two years. The borders, wait a minute, that wasn't, nobody brought it up. So as bad as some people say things are, gotta give credit for how good of a job the other side is done with fear porn, scaring the crap out of everybody.

• 11:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you know, it's super easy to forget about a win. You know, if you're, let's say you're really sick and you finally get better within a year, you forgot about the trauma you went through. And it's the same kind of thing that happens in politics.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  That is true.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  What the left did, which is very good, which is what you just touched on, is they hold Trump accountable for the current situation with gas prices. That didn't happen under Obama. That didn't happen in the past. Everyone in the past used to put out the messaging that the president's not directly responsible for gas prices, that there's numerous other factors at play. They took the Iran war, they directly connected it to gas prices.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  Brilliant.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  Two emotional things, by the way. Both of them are highly emotional, yeah.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  But Eli, this, this thing is not just about gas prices. Take the other side here. This is not just about gas prices.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Are we hearing Jeff?

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, can we?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  Is, is Jeff's mic on?

• 11:53Speaker 02

  Hello? It's, it's not just about gas prices. The gas prices is just kind of like the last thing. It's kind of gotten to the, you know, most people, most voters, it's the last straw. We've been, we've been sick of this crap for year after year after year after year. Trump came into office and said, I'm gonna fix this. This is Biden's problem. And as far as most people are concerned, gas prices is just the, the straw that broke the camel's back.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Okay, so let's do this. Do we have our friend Jeremy on yet or not? Has he called in? If you guys can, let me know once he gets on, Tom. While we're going through this, can you show us the seven states and what it's looking like as of right now? The main senate races, I'm not talking about the battle of, uh, the, the ladies in LA that you're obsessed with. I'm talking specifically, it's an inside joke for some of you guys that I can't tell you what happened there.

• 12:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Say it.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Cause it's earmuffs, but go ahead, Tom, please.

• 12:35Tom Ellsworth?

  So where we are right now, let's take a look. This is the balance of power as we see it. Thirty-four, uh, beginning of the night were open. And so right now we're 31 Republicans and 35 Senate before they come in. We have one call, we're making a call based on VT Analytics. We're calling Virginia, Mark Warner, 54% of the vote in, and he is well up in Virginia. So we are calling Mark for Virginia Senate. So right now that's one.

• 13:03Speaker 03

  Is that a surprise, by the way?

• 13:04Tom Ellsworth?

  That is not a surprise. That is right on cue.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  So you're calling that, that's in?

• 13:07Tom Ellsworth?

  And I'm calling that. Now, let's go to the seven, we're gonna go to the US map and we're gonna go through the, the seven that are there. So now, somebody that is, let me show you this, the distance here. First, let's go down to Florida and take a look. We have Moody. And you've got, let me get out of the way here. She's 51, 47, and we are sitting at what percent in? Do, do, do, do. This is seven and a half percent. And so it's right about what we have expected. You would have expected a higher margin for her. Now let's go to South Carolina.

• 13:39Speaker 06

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• 14:08Speaker 07

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• 14:41Speaker 03

  By the way, you said Moody, right? Moody's a Republican.

• 14:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Moody's a Republican.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  That's running for senate. Do you know who just endorsed Moody earlier today?

• 14:48Tom Ellsworth?

  I do not.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  For the first time ever? The president of the union Teamster, Sean O'Brien, who's been four generation of Democrats, he endorsed Ashley Moody today, which a lot of people were shocked with. Please continue.

• 14:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Let's go.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  He also spoke with RNC.

• 15:01Speaker 03

  Yes, he did. He's phenomenal, he's phenomenal. He likes Italian food, which I like as well.

• 15:05Tom Ellsworth?

  There we go, let's go to Georgia.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Good guy.

• 15:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay. And we go to Georgia and you can see, take a look at this. You have in here, 800,000 votes have been counted and look at where Ossoff is sitting here. Now you don't have as much of the red rule Georgia in, but this shows you exactly where we are. Do we have the shift? If we can look at the shift? Take a look at this. The blue arrows show shifts different from Trump 2024. Look at the blue arrows. There's no red arrows in Georgia. So at no place right now, with 800,000 votes in in Georgia, which is not a trivial amount, nowhere in Georgia is it as good as Trump performed in 2024. The shift is, is, is on. Where else do we have votes in?

• 15:53Tom Ellsworth?

  We have votes in, in Kentucky, which is not really much of a surprise right now.

• 16:01Tom Ellsworth?

  There we go. So you can see Andy Barr handily ahead as expected in Kentucky. That's what's going on, the early ones is where we have precincts reporting and we have votes here. The surprise to me is the level of distance that John Ossoff has versus even the most conservative reporting and polls that were out there. He's with 800,000 votes in, more margin than was originally expected.

• 16:27Speaker 03

  And by the way, he's.

• 16:28Tom Ellsworth?

  We'll see.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  He's somebody that's very aspirational, that he wants to go to the next phase of being a president potentially in 2028. And by the way, there's two things we can, we can have some fun tonight, that's for sure. But one thing that we're gonna be doing is the following. I got two reports that I had the guys pull up, based on data points that we're gonna share with you. One is, I have our top 50, people with the highest score of running for president based on seven markers. Name recognition, charisma, media savvy, fearlessness, somebody that can absorb controversy, authenticity, independence and free publicity. We scored all of them using AI and you're gonna be surprised who ranked first place. And this is from Roger Stone. We call this the Stone Scale. We'll share this with everybody tonight.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  And then I have the next bench, 40 under 40 in politics from the left and the right. These two lists, everybody that's watching this will text, I'll tell you how to get a hold of them, I'm gonna show it to you first and we'll talk about it. It's gonna be fascinating. But who we have that just joined us right now is the former co-founder of Daily Wire. We have Jeremy Boring from the Jeremy Boring Show. Jeremy, it's great to have you on. How you doing?

• 17:30Speaker 04

  Pat, thanks for having me on.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Fantastic. So Jeremy, what are you thinking? What angle do you have right now? There's a lot of people that are saying, my goodness, it's gonna be a nasty night. The left is gonna be winning. They're gonna be investigating Trump. They're gonna be going after Hexit, they're gonna be going after Musk. What are you thinking about?

• 17:47Speaker 04

  I'm thinking about the senate. You know, the fact that we're going to lose the house, I think is a given. It's gone, it goes without saying, in the last 100 years, almost every midterm, the president has lost, uh, the president's party has lost seats, and all but three, I think. So that's just, that's par for the course. You're gonna lose seats in the house. It's not necessarily the case that we're going to lose the senate, but things don't look good. If we lose the senate, terrible night for the president, terrible night for Republicans, because it means the next two years are essentially going to be a referendum on Donald Trump going into the 2028 presidential election. That's not what we want. We don't want.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  Can you paint that picture for me, Jeremy?

• 18:21Speaker 04

  The party having to endure these corruption investigations. We don't want the party having to endure.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Jeremy, can you hear me?

• 18:25Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  I want you to paint a picture for me. Let's go there, okay? Let's play this game. The game is, they won house and they won the senate. What do the Democrats do?

• 18:37Speaker 04

  Well, the good news for the country is not much. They're not going to be able to advance any sort of policy agenda, because you can't get past the president's veto. But for the Republican Party and for the president in particular, it's going to be terrible. It's gonna be investigations non-stop as they try to make 2028 a referendum on Donald Trump, instead of a new election about a new set of candidates in the future for both parties.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  Got it. So when it comes on to, out of all the races that we have going now, you got Talarico, Paxton, you got stuff going on in LA, you got the race in Carolina, you got the race in Michigan, which of the ones are you most concerned about? Meaning if you can only take one of the two, you can take Paxton winning, but Abdul losing? Or Abdul, or Abdul winning and Paxton losing, which one of those two would you take?

• 19:23Speaker 04

  You need Paxton to win. Losing, Texas hasn't elected a, a Democrat to nationwide office in a generation. To lose Texas, which is an essential part of any map for Republicans, would be, I think, the worst possible outcome for the, for the night. And listen, it's not just that you could see Paxton lose his senate race. If things go badly enough, you could see Abbott lose his governor race, which would be a true watershed moment in American politics. It would make this more than just a bad midterm. It would make it a deeply consequential midterm.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  And, and because why? Because Texas is Texas, because the, you know, how everybody's always seen that the left can never, I think the last time we had a Democratic senator win Texas was 36 or 38 years ago. But we've never had a Muslim, you know, a, a senator in the history of America. So both of them are first.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Well, certainly having Abdul El-Sayed become senator from Michigan is a terrible moment for the country. But having a radical Democrat win a senate seat in Michigan isn't in and of itself scandalous. I mean, that, that is a thing that can happen. The fact that he's Muslim obviously makes that unique. The fact that he openly aligns with socialists makes that unique. But to lose Texas destroys the map for Republicans going into 2028. And that, I think is a far more consequential outcome for the night.

• 20:38Speaker 03

  Just out of curiosity, you know, you, you, did you hear the interview? I thought Stephen A. Smith did a great job with the interview with, uh, the governor DeSantis. Did you get a chance to watch a couple of the clips of that interview? What, what did you think of the positions he took? Do you think that was a position of kind of separating himself that I'm a little bit different than the current administration, kind of lobbying for running in 2028?

• 20:58Speaker 04

  Well, it definitely means that the race for 2028 has already started. And listen, it'll be a very bad night for JD Vance if we, if we lose not only the house but the senate, because it means that the administration is gonna be on its hind leg for the entirety of the next two years. It means that an outsider has a better than average chance. Listen, it's JD Vance's nomination to lose, that goes without saying. The vice president in almost every, not every instance, but in almost every instance in the last century, uh, if they have sought the nomination, their party's nomination, they've received it. And 2028 is certainly a bad year automatically, historically for Republicans, you know, in all but one election.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  In my lifetime, after a second term president, we change parties. That's just what happens sort of naturally. George H. W. Bush, obviously, is the one exception to that. But in the age of Donald Trump, I think all the old rules are off. Anything could happen. If we hold the Senate tonight, I think that the administration is actually in a pretty decent shape going into 2028. If we lose the Senate tonight, it's going to be a terrible next two years.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  Well, Jeremy, thank you for joining us. Have a cigar on us, and I'm sure I'll see you here soon. Take care, buddy.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Thank you, Pat.

• 22:07Speaker 00

  Do you guys agree with him? Do you agree with what he has to say?

• 22:09Speaker 01

  PBD, I gotta jump right in and mention this. I want to be explicit as to what Democrats are going to do if they retake the House and the Senate. It's going to be one impeachment after another. It's going to be ruthless. They've been ramping up for these investigations for the past year. It's going to be Trump. It's going to be Trump. It's going to be Pam Bondi. It's going to be Pete Hegseth for administering this war in Iran. And it's going to go back to what you said earlier, Elon Musk. And what are they going to go after Elon first? It's a Starlink over Ukraine. They are so pissed that somebody suspended Starlink in the middle of a war. And Democrats want to use whatever they can to make sure that they are boosting their chances for 2028. Everything is political. They don't have a positive agenda. I know.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  I was there. All right? So they're going to spend all their time on...

• 22:57Speaker 00

  Okay, let me push back. Let me push back. Here's what Hillary Clinton said, right? The great Hillary Clinton, who just had a birthday. I'm sure you guys celebrated her birthday a week ago.

• 23:03Speaker 04

  Future president.

• 23:04Speaker 00

  October 26th, future president. So she said, if the Democrats go after the Trump administration, and they go in the mode of impeach, impeach, impeach, you're handing the 2028 presidency to the Republicans. Do you agree?

• 23:17Speaker 01

  They can't help themselves because they're addicted to Trump. They can say that they hate Trump, but I'm telling you now, they're not going to fundraise a single dollar if Trump isn't in the subject email line. They need that man.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  Do you agree? Do you guys agree? Who agrees? How many of you guys think they're going to think the long way and not do anything because they want to win presidency 2028? Make some noise for that. Not a lot. So you think they're going to go after everybody they want?

• 23:40Speaker 02

  Pat, they want to send a message, too.

• 23:42Speaker 00

  I gotta tell you, this is a very cynic group. Get them some alcohol, folks. They're a little bit cynical. Go ahead.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Can I just say one thing? But as you said, that was very much how I saw it. It could be kind of a silver lining in all of this, that they're overlooking the average independent voter, who's very, very relevant, who got very, very tired of that kind of rhetoric, that kind of attack, that kind of obsession, as opposed to focusing to any extent on policy. And if they start doing that now, before 2028, that could backfire on them. They could look at that and go, man, I don't want four years of this. I want four years of change. And if we're going back to the status quo of what we saw before Trump, which was just endless attacks and no change... Sorry, go ahead. No, no, you're right. But finish your point. No, then my point was that that fundamentally can backfire very, very badly for it. I agree, but what she's saying, and I agree with her, is they can't help themselves, bro. It's all about Trump.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  But they don't realize is, he's going to do exactly what Biden did. He's going to pardon himself and every single person that they're going after, because they want to show, they want to show their strength, bro. But he made a very good point, Pat did, about DeSantis's interview today. Today marks the day where people are going to start separating themselves from the Trump, MAGA, everything movement. He said today, he's like, I disagree with the war.

• 24:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, he did not. And we're going to show a clip here in a minute. What I want to do is, he separated himself. Separate like divide. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm talking about, like divide. So, by the way, make some noise for Vinnie, Adam, and Elon. I want to bring my next guest on board, on here, if we can. Can I get Mayor Suarez to come up? Brian Callen. And I believe we have Viva Frye. Do we have Viva Frye? Work your way up here to the stage. Mayor of Miami. He is beloved in Miami. Beloved in Miami, man. You're looking good. I'm seeing you working out. Okay? My man, how you doing? Not today, my man. Give me one of these. You look good. All right, so Viva, Brian, Jeff, you stay on, by the way. Jeff, you stay on with us. Tom, do you have an update for us?

• 25:38Speaker 00

  Can we get Tom on? Can we get Tom on? Tom?

• 25:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep, we have some numbers that just came in. And this is going to be very, very relevant, since we have the dignified mayor emeritus of Miami, Francis Suarez, with us. Take a look at this. With 4.5 million votes in in Florida, right now, David Jolly is 51-47 over Byron Donalds. It's thin. And as Mayor Suarez will tell you, the Florida panhandle tends to run very red, and it's one time zone ahead. You kind of have to wait for it. So this is just early, Pat. We knew it would be closer in Florida than the big polls were predicting. But you can take a look right here. You can see where David Jolly, 51, Byron Donalds, 47.8.

• 26:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Early, but over 4.5 million votes have been counted in the state of Florida.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  Okay, so what does that mean? How do you process this? Do you think Byron Donalds is winning no matter what today?

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Yes, I do. And I think the reason why is, people don't realize that Florida has two different time zones. So right now, people are still voting. It's actually 30 minutes before the polls close in the other time zone. So what we're seeing only is results from this time zone. And usually what happens for Democrats to win, they have to rack up the numbers in the tri-county area, which is Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade County. What I've seen from the turnout, when you analyze the turnout, which is very important, and there's a lot of talk about the fact that in the state of Florida, Governor DeSantis has racked up a million and a half vote advantage for Republicans. When you start analyzing the turnout, the turnout of how Republicans have turned out

• 27:19Speaker 03

  versus other years, or even versus early and absentee ballots, what we saw was a massive Election Day turnout. So we were seeing as early as 9:00 AM, plus 22 for Republicans. Then it became plus 26, plus 27. And so statewide, it went from plus 2.5 pre-election day to plus 8 at the last time that I saw, when I was coming in the car. So when you, let's assume, for example, that, and again, I'm getting really into the weeds, but let's assume, for example, that MPAs, which are a big category, 20% of the electorate, non-party affiliation, independents, whatever you want to call them. Let's assume that they break 60-40 in favor of Democrats. That's a massive break in favor of Democrats.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  More likely than not, it'd be more like 55-45, a 10% break. That's still a big break in MPAs in favor of Democrats. But let's assume double that, right? 20%. They still lose by like 300,000 votes statewide. If you assume that all Republicans vote Republican and all Democrats vote Democrat, there's just not enough votes to make...

• 28:20Speaker 00

  And by the way, you know, it's interesting you're saying that. Of the 58 million early votes that we got, 60 million early votes that we got, 43% are Democrats, 32% are Republicans, 25% are independents. That's a pretty big number to give to a number like that. I want to show you something. I want to ask you a question. This morning, I want to vote. I'm in Broward County. It's one of the biggest Republican counties here. So I go there to vote, and here's what happened to me this morning. I want to ask you how often this happens, and if anybody else out there watching this has experiences, please, go ahead and play the clip. Can you play with the audio? It's tough to hear if we don't have audio. Thanks, guys.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  You look good, though.

• 28:56Speaker 00

  Go back a little bit, because I can't hear it, guys. Go back a little bit. Start from the beginning.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Haircut looks great.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  You know, it's been the same gel all morning today, just so you know. Go ahead.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Concrete, baby.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 29:07Speaker 00

  Today's the first time that I go in there and they tell me you can't vote here. What do you mean I can't vote here? And they send me to a completely different location. Now, I'm going to go vote at the other location. How many people do you think don't go because the other place is 25 minutes away and people got things to do? So Joe Scott, what's his name? Joe Scott? And Joe Scott's the one that's responsible for making the locations?

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Joe Scott is in charge of all things voting in Broward County. So any sort of...

• 29:34Speaker 00

  So if I've been coming here every year, and all of a sudden I'm going to a different place, that means thousands of other people have to do the same.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  I'm a candidate running for state house in District 100. I've been here since 6:00 AM. I've met dozens of people, supporters of mine. The only Republican district in Broward are people being turned away at the polls.

• 29:48Speaker 00

  The only Republican district in Broward that's being pushed away. Ridiculous. Thanks, guys. I'm going to the other place. Yep. So anyway, I went to the other place and I voted. So you can pause the clip here. Who all of us, who had their addresses changed on where to go to vote? Anybody had to go to a different place to vote? Some of you guys, who had a difficulty time voting this morning? Anybody, when you went to a place? I had it. Who makes that decision? Is that somebody that just says, now you're going to a different place?

• 30:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the supervisor of elections. There are 64 counties in the state of Florida. Each county has its own independent supervisor of election, and those are the ones, and by the way, most of them are elected officials, right? And partisan officials. So those...

• 30:29Speaker 00

  Partisan officials.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Partisan elected officials. They run by party, Republican, Democrat, right? And so those people are the ones that make decisions on what polling places are open, what time are they open, are there emergencies, et cetera. What we see, and I know that Governor DeSantis declared a state of emergency for, I think, five or six counties, and empowered the Division of Elections, the Department of Elections, the supervisor, to make decisions. But these kinds of things, particularly in tight elections, matter. The weather matters. Having to be deviated from your polling place matter. The time that the polling place is closed matter. We just saw a Brazilian election where the Supreme Court, I don't know if you guys followed this, the Supreme Court, to favor the presidential candidate that won, left polling sites in

• 31:14Speaker 03

  favorable polling areas by two hours. That's a massive difference. And by the way, that election was, I think, 51.5 to 48.5. It was a tiny, tiny differential. So these kinds of things can make a difference.

• 31:29Speaker 00

  Is it effective when it comes down to... Not necessarily. You know how the old Dan Sullivan guy in Alaska, when they have the same guy they found? Are these type of strategies, because this guy's a Democrat, Broward County, Joe Scott, who's the guy that runs the supervisor for elections here in Broward County? This is who it is, if you want to put it on the screen, so he can get a shot out of what it looks like, just to kind of give him a shot out. But are these strategies people play to kind of throw people off? Because a lot of people came in, they're like, I gotta go to work. I can't vote.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  Pat, I'll tell you, it gets so bad that there was a prior election cycle where someone went to jail for doing the exact same thing that's happening in Alaska right now. They put in what they call a phantom candidate, right? A candidate that's not really running, it's just meant to take away votes from someone else. And someone lost an election in that race, and the person went to jail. So yes, these things happen. They do matter, and people do pay consequence for them.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  PBD, I have some thoughts in Florida, if I may.

• 32:20Speaker 00

  Please.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  All right, so...

• 32:21Speaker 00

  Brian, I'm going to come to you right afterward.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  I'm coming from this from a money standpoint. Everybody here knows about 10% for the big guy, right? Everyone is familiar with that? There's something else, though. There's 15% for the big grift. And what I mean by that, these consultants, political consultants, make 15% of each, every single dollar of ad buy. And I think Republicans are going to hold on to Florida. But the reason why Democrats are pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into this great state is that they are making 15% of each dollar that you see on TV. That is so much money. That is so much money. And this is something that the American people aren't entirely aware of. But I want you to be aware of that. When you see ads

• 33:04Speaker 01

  on TV and you wonder why there's an ad for a Democrat in Palm Beach County. It's not because they think they can win. It's because somebody is buying that ad to fund their next yacht.

• 33:17Speaker 00

  Okay, so Brian, how do you feel about this?

• 33:19Speaker 03

  I was just thinking about how the United States is one of the few countries in the world where a voting day is not a national holiday. You, you, this is, it's a very rare thing. And it's interesting. Why is it that we don't have a national holiday? Why does everybody have to work when most countries give everyone the day off so everybody can work? The fact of the matter is if you work for a living, you may have a very hard time getting to a polling booth. And I think that's, I think that's very significant. I suspect the Republicans wouldn't favor very well. So a lot of times people say they would never let that happen, you know, it probably wouldn't be very favorable to the Republicans for a lot of reasons. But to your point about money, I'm always

• 33:59Speaker 03

  so blown away by how optimistic Americans are. Because I look at the grand, so I think that at the end of the day, when I see this kind of voter turnout, what I interpret that is, I interpret that as voter anger. And everybody is desperate for one party to turn that voter anger into results. That's just what we want. Because nobody really feels like their government represents them. Do you feel represented? That's, that's a new thing. And it gets worse and worse. With all that money, people with deeper pockets are the ones that sway everything. And it's very easy to feel as though your vote doesn't matter. But I'm always heartened by the fact that Americans are angry enough to go out there and go, hey, this may mean nothing, but I'm going to vote anyway.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  But at the end of the day, I think really, it's, the party that can somehow turn voter anger into results is the one that's going to prevail. And I always fight my pessimism when I'm on nights like this. I'm always like, all right, you know, same old, same old. We'll see what happens.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  See, you talk about voter anger, and I think this cycle is going to be about voter disappointment. And for anybody who doesn't know, I moved down from Canada under Biden. And I say this unequivocally, the United States is the greatest country on earth, even when it's under the bad administration. And so, you know, I came down during Biden, lived here while Biden was, you know, ruling over the country, persecuting the Jan Sixers and everything, and living under the fear of, you know, what happens if it's Kamala Harris in 2026, or 2024, sorry. And I think, I'm not blackpilled, I'm not doom-pilled, I'm not pessimistic. Tonight, I'm just realistic that you're going to see some of the blowback from people who don't feel that necessarily that the current administration

• 35:40Speaker 04

  has responded to what they were supposed to respond to. You know, Florida may it stay red because it's the greatest state in the Union. I'm talking about Texas also. Like, if Talarico wins in Texas, you don't just have blowback, you have an indication as to what needs to be course corrected for 2028. But, you know, Florida should stay red. It's the most beautiful state in the most beautiful country on earth. And even if there's a, something of a blue wave tonight, this is still the greatest country on earth, even when it's run by scoundrels.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  I want to ask Lindy something, because Lindy, you know, you know this deeply, we've talked about this. Why is it that we're always given these sort of two candidates that we can barely stomach? How does it happen? Is it because people don't vote in the primaries? Is that the problem? Explain to me how that works.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I have a one-word answer for the Republican side. I have a slightly more long-winded one for the Democrat one. And then for the, for the Republican side, it's all about loyalty. It's all about loyalty to the, to Trump. Putting that aside, for me, 2026 is a normalization of weird. And that's what I, what I mean by that. Let's go to New Hampshire, for instance. You have some guy, some guy named Troy Jackson, I kid you not, fathered two kids with his second cousin. In the, in the year of the Lord, 2026, and somehow we're supposed to be okay with that? All right, that's Maine. That's Maine. And then we go down to Texas. James Talarico disappears for 12 days. We're not allowed to ask about it. This is the same guy who says a god is non-binary.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  He had the flu. He had the flu. It's a long flu. Letting you know, there was

• 37:13Speaker 01

  PBD, if you were sick, you know, you would be working hard as F. You would be putting videos out there, you'd be fundraising.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  PBD doesn't get sick. He didn't get sick.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  They had to hide the guy.

• 37:23Speaker 00

  Maybe I would visit a mental hospital for 11 days. I mean, I don't know, you know, there's rumors you hear on what places people go. I'm not, I'm not speculating. I'm just saying, like, a possibility. But go ahead, continue. I don't want to interrupt.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  But anyway, he says there are six genders, all right? And he's a vegan in the state of Texas. Putting that aside, all right. I have one more. Abdullah El Sayed, all right? This man, his own sister says that their entire family is quote unquote MB. You know what that stands for?

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Muslim Brotherhood.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Muslim Brotherhood. And he says, every time we ask about it, we're Islamophobic. No, dude, it's basic vetting. Get over it. All right? And it's not just that. His mother was a longtime activist for the Muslim Brotherhood. His father-in-law was one of the leaders of Muslim Brotherhood, and happens to be one of his biggest donors. So again, this is what I call, this cast of characters are all extremely weird and questionable.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  What does that say that they're likely to win? What does that say about the mood of the electorate? Because the American people don't support these people in some of those extreme examples and some of those extreme positions. What it says is, this is not just, we're a little bit upset about the way things are going. This should be a wake-up call to Republicans. And maybe they actually need it.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  But Sayed talks to them. But Sayed also talks to them.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  But in a normal election, would he even have a chance?

• 38:42Speaker 03

  Well, but the problem is, Sayed is very personal. What he says is, hey, capitalism, all for it, not crony capitalism. How about the fact that you can't afford, you have to choose between gas and food? Or you have to choose between sending your kid to baseball?

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Right, so why does that, why does that message resonate?

• 38:58Speaker 03

  That guy's speaking my language. So I don't care who you are.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  I'm telling you why it's resonating. This is my hot take. And you can be angry at me, but this is how I generally feel. And I'm here to be painfully honest, okay? If Trump had not gone to war, he'd be running away with the election today. That's how I feel. That's just how I feel.

• 39:13Speaker 00

  Last thought I want to get from the mayor, and then I got a few Gen Z's here. We want to process some Gen Z issues. Go for it.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  So, so my last thought is, everything you said all makes a lot of sense. But there's also something that I've looked at very in depth. And I don't think it gets talked about a lot, which is candidate quality. If you look at the candidates, and I'm sorry, and I'm not talking about whether you agree philosophically or ideologically with these candidates or not. But the four that you just mentioned, right, Abdul Sayed, Talarico, Mandami even in New York, Asaf in Georgia, what do they have in common? They're all young. Again, my wife is here, I love my wife, but they're, they're good-looking, good-looking guys, right? They're, they're telegenic, they're articulate, and they're incredibly on message. Incredibly on message. If

• 40:02Speaker 03

  you, listen, as someone who has to respect, like, game respects game, right? I don't agree with anything, any of their positions. I totally think their positions are abhorrent. But at the end of the day, they're incredibly on message. And the message has been, to your point, right, healthcare for all, right? The message has been corruption. I mean, that's the message that they're saying every single day. And, and they've been consistent. And so what happens is, they're running against candidates who are not exciting, who are not young, who are not articulate, who are not on message, right? And, and to your point, they have to deal with the headwinds that some of these issues have created for them, right? So, cost of living, the foreign war, etc. So I, I think we

• 40:45Speaker 03

  have not really, and I think this is where the wake-up call is for Republicans. You need to have, like, look, Byron Donalds is going to win tonight. He's a young, articulate, you know, good-looking candidate as well, and someone who I think Republicans should try to find candidates like that. And I think that's how they're going to turn this around.

• 41:01Speaker 00

  Well, listen, if, if looks matter, you're going to be the supreme leader of the world. It's all based on looks. But here's what we're going to do. I got, I gotta make sure we got, he's got to go to a different place. I appreciate you for coming in. Thank you so much for your commentary, definitely. We have some young bucks here that want to give us some commentary on Gen Z. Let's make some noise for Mayor Suarez.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

• 41:21Speaker 00

  Thank you so much for stopping by. Appreciate you, brother, for the follow-up. And Lindy and Jeff, if you guys can swap with them, I'll bring you guys back over here. Vivon, Brian, you guys stick around. You guys stick around. You guys are Gen Z. It's Gen Z. I said Gen Z. You guys got to stick around. So we have a couple friends here. We got Nick Shirley in the house. Make some noise for Nick Shirley, Will Witt, CJ Pearson, and Emily Wilson. Come on in here, guys. Grab a seat. Nick Shirley, great to see you. CJ, nice jacket. Emily, how are you? Do you want to grab a seat here, if you don't mind?

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Come on, Emily.

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Will Witt, come on, Mr. Cool. He's just cool about it, right? The way he walks, like, he's in the wrong industry.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  He's mugging us. He's mugging us.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  He's mugging us, is what he's doing. Okay, Gen Z's, what is at the top of your mind? What is the most important thing to you at this point going into 2027?

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Immigration. Immigration is number one for me.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Tell me why.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Because I see our country becoming...

• 42:15Speaker 00

  Is that a Gen Z issue, or is that an America issue?

• 42:17Speaker 02

  It's definitely an America issue, but I think it's definitely a Gen Z issue for the fact that the people who are growing up right now, young people especially, are not going to be able to experience a country that our grandfather and grandmother had, right? This country is becoming unrecognizable in not just demographics, but, I mean, you have people who don't speak the same language, and we're supposed to have a cohesive country? That doesn't make any sense. You can't have a cohesive country if people don't have the same language, the same culture, the same values. And we don't have that in America anymore. And you look around the world, what's happening in France and all of that, and it's, it's quite obvious what happens when you import the Third World. And so, we can't allow that to happen. And to me, immigration seems to be the biggest issue.

• 42:56Speaker 00

  One of the, one of the datas that came up about Gen Z, it said that Gen Zers, 70% of them are afraid of running out of money more than they're afraid of death, affordability. How important is that to you, CJ?

• 43:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it's a really critical issue, you know? Also think that the ownership issue is a big thing. Gen Z doesn't own anything anymore. So when people ask the question, why does Gen Z seem as if they want to burn it all down? It's because they have no stake in this country as it currently stands. They don't own their home. They don't own any property. They don't actually own stocks. And so when we as conservatives look to point to how good the economy is doing and we say, well, the stock market's doing really good. Well, they're like, damn, I don't own a stock. So they don't really actually feel any stake in that economic opportunity.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  How do you increase that?

• 43:38Speaker 04

  I think it's a few things. I think number one, it's making it easier to buy a home. And I don't think it's actually socialist policies that do that. I think that it's actually deregulation that will increase housing supply that can increase access to that. But I also think it goes back to the foundational building blocks of what we're teaching in schools today. There's a reason we don't teach financial literacy in schools across America because they realize that if you learn the basics of financial literacy, you would never vote Democrat.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  You think that's intentional? So you think that's intentional?

• 44:04Speaker 04

  I think it's absolutely intentional. I think it's a key part of their agenda to indoctrinate the next generation of Americans. If you don't teach them how to actually build something of their own and to not be perpetual victims, they will vote Democrat.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  Or they might just be financially illiterate themselves.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Exactly that.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  That's a large part of it.

• 44:19Speaker 00

  By the way, you know what's an interesting data that we just looked at from 2019, 2020? I can't find it here, but I'm sure I have it. From 2019, 2020 to 2023, do you know the public schools? We've lost 1.8 million kids going to the public schools. 1.8 million going to the public school.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  To homeschooling.

• 44:38Speaker 00

  Whether it's homeschooling as well as birth, like birth rate has dropped dramatically. So going back to it, Emily, do you agree with CJ?

• 44:46Speaker 01

  I agree with him 100%, but I also agree with Will. I mean, I live in Los Angeles and me and my friends are like, we all have to become multimillionaires to even buy a one-bedroom condo. And that's just not realistic for everyone. But then at the same time, I'll be somewhere like Calabasas and it's beautiful, but there's nine languages being spoke around me. And I'm like, how are the kids supposed to grow up in these schools? And how are they going to have things in common? The crime is out of control. I mean, obviously I think I live in the most beautiful state. It's the most poorly run. And I think mental health is a really big thing and border, security, safety, crime is out of control. And my biggest issue right now is watching the other side of the political spectrum become so radicalized. I talk to my family and my father who supports and loves me.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  And I'm like, it's crazy to know that just because I'm a conservative and Republican, half of this country would be happy to see me die and they would celebrate if it happened. And I think that's a big issue we need to talk about in this country, even though it's a little uncomfortable at times.

• 45:41Speaker 00

  Let me ask this question. So what needs to happen there for you to leave? Can they do anything to fully lose you? Are you there yet?

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Fully lose me from California?

• 45:49Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  No, I'm, I'm staying and fighting.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  Communism, you're staying.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  I'm staying.

• 45:53Speaker 00

  We got to respect, make some noise. She's down with the shit. She's willing to stay for communism.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Look, I get people have families and they leave and I respect certain aspects of it. But we're seeing this across all the states. We have all these people who vote Republican that are common sense. They're great. They have businesses, they have kids and they leave. And I'm like, well, when you guys all leave, who's left? You're going to give the most beautiful state to the craziest people that destroy it? Over my dead body, I'm staying and I will never leave.

• 46:17Speaker 00

  Okay, respect. So now what's your solution? Affordability? Give me ideas. Give me two or three ideas on how to help with affordability. Because in my opinion, neither side has a, so one side is saying the government's going to fix it. The other side's saying it's all on you, which there's a certain level of responsibility. But what ideas would you propose?

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Okay, one affordability and somewhere like Los Angeles where everyone wants to live, the odds of it going, you're not going to see a house for 500,000, especially where I live, it's just not going to happen. But at the same time, I'm like, we gotta, I don't, I mean, that's tough. I don't know. I really don't know.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  Can I, can I challenge you on that and encourage all of you guys? Cause one of the things I want to hear from Gen Z is we need ideas from you.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  I proposed something the other day and I sent it to the president just to see if they would entertain this idea or not. My idea was anybody under the age of 30, for the first 200,000, I proposed a half a million, but let's just say 200,000. For the first $200,000 you make, you pay zero federal income taxes. So keep all that money, set it aside, save it, buy a house, have kids. After 30, whatever you pay, you go into the same tax bracket as everybody else, but it gives you a jump start. I would encourage you to come up with some ideas because people are listening today. You look like you have an idea you want to propose to us before I go to Nick.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's tons of ideas for fixing affordability. I mean, first of all, again, talking about.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  I just want two or three. Give me two or three of them.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Immigration. I mean, look, if you have two houses available and someone cuts in line illegally and comes in also needs a house, that's going to push up the prices of housing. So you have to stop illegal immigration. And with immigration, you know, this is also legal immigration, not just illegal immigration. You have a massive welfare state that Americans are net negative paying into the system and not getting anything out of it. In Minnesota with Somalis, I mean, you have 81% of all Somalis in Minnesota are on one major welfare program. 75% of all Hondurans, 76% of all Dominicans, 87% of all Afghans in this country are on some major welfare program. So we are paying into a system that we are not getting anything out. If you want to fix affordability, stop giving the free handouts to people who are not Americans.

• 48:17Speaker 00

  That makes sense. Nick, you're all over the place. You're traveling all the time. You just got back, I think, from Brazil, right? And by the way, just so you guys know, for some, any Brazilians in the room here, make some noise if you're Brazilian. We got a few of them. Well, Eduardo Bolsonaro is in the house tonight, so we will bring him up here in a minute as well. His brother just flew into Miami a couple of weeks ago. I think he may be talking the next couple of days on what's going on. Where are you at with affordability and Gen Z?

• 48:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I think affordability is a really big issue. I'd like to see all the fraud be taken out here inside the United States. I think that's like a really big one. And then the rise of the far left is also very concerning. And I'm kind of disappointed to see what's happening right now with what's going on with like the midterm stuff, because I think people are starting to forget like the far left killed Charlie Kirk and they also celebrated a mother who killed three of her kids. And now we're going to elect people that openly support those, maybe they don't support Charlie Kirk dying, but some of these people glorify and speak with the same people who glorified the death of Charlie Kirk. Which is a bit concerning to see like the far left, they call us far right, but they're actually extremely far left in the ideas that they want. And it's not going to be, it's not going to be a safe place here in America.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  Viva, you look like you want to say something, even though you're not Gen Z. I want to make sure people know you're not Gen Z, but go ahead, give us.

• 49:28Tom Ellsworth?

  What, what am I? I'm almost 50 years old. I don't know what I'm going to be.

• 49:31Speaker 00

  You're 50 years old?

• 49:32Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm 47.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  Tight skinned from here, you should see his skin, not a, not a blemish.

• 49:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I was just going to say like, the reality is that radicals and progressivism thrives when populism underperforms. And populism and radicalism or progressivism are sort of the, you know, two sides of the same coin. And when people, the people don't feel that the populist side of their concerns are getting met, they move to the Mamdanis and they move to the El Sayads and they move to the radical progressives. And they are people who want to burn it all down because they have no stake in it. And the question is, how do you get people to have a stake in the corporation that is a kind?

• 50:05Speaker 03

  Markets. Markets. Lower, we need to start articulating how to deal with this stuff. So yes, multiculturalism is a problem. Multi ethnicity is beautiful. I want all the ethnicity. I want all, I want all the food in my mouth. It's great. But, but, but I want a, I want a, I want a uniform culture. And that is what, that is the strength of this country. What is that culture? The culture of America is a brand. It means potential. Most of the world has to give up who they could be for who they have to be. And this is one of the few places where you can actually realize your potential. We have to reward your, your, your risk-taking, your ingenuity. And, and that's a very important thing. And so you've got to lower regulations. You've got to make it easier for people to start a small business, for God's sake.

• 50:50Speaker 03

  That's a really important thing. And that is, look at California. Open a business in California. Tell me how it goes. Try building a house. Talk to a developer in California. See how much you have to go through. These fires, they still haven't built the thing. It takes forever. You've got a thousand different regulations in everything. Everything is adjudicated. Even if you're a governor, you're trying to get something done. Watch what happens when you try to do any kind of a project. It will be adjudicated at every single step. Sue, sue, sue, stop it, stop it, stop it. We got to figure out a way to make things a lot easier for you to take an idea you have, hang a shingle on a door and open a business. Markets. Capitalism, you start talking about capitalism, it's a word people go, ah, crony capitalism. Don't talk about capitalism.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  Talk about markets. Talk about free markets. That's very important. Talk about multi-ethnicity, not multiculturalism. Understand the difference. And if we can articulate that difference on this side over here, guys, it'll be very, very, it'll be much easier. It's very important to be very specific about your language and to know what the real enemy is. You've got to understand the meaningful difference. Cause otherwise what happens is we start talking in general terms and I promise you, what, everybody kind of, we all settle into this fog and we go, oh, it's a huge problem. No, no, there are specific, get back to first principles. What made this country great? The fact that you were rewarded for your risk-taking, for your ingenuity. That we were, it's a, it's a marketplace.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  It's a very valid point you're making. I mean, it's going back to capitalism. Emily, I'll give you the final thoughts and I'm going to go to the next panel. Any final thoughts you have with us for the Gen Z side?

• 52:26Speaker 01

  I mean, I do want to comment on affordability again in Los Angeles. Like my thing is, I think rent control should be completely gone. You have people paying $7,000 a month for a one-bedroom, next to people who pay $400 a month for a one-bedroom. And it's honestly just, it's just completely unfair to the person paying 7,000. On top of that, we're helping illegals get loans for a first time home, but not, you know, younger people like us. And it's just completely unfair. And then I'm watching them spend $750,000 to build a condo for a homeless person who isn't going to go inside that condo because they refuse to get clean and get off of drugs. And I'm watching them build all this housing and it's empty. The shelters are empty, the housing is empty. And I'm like, these could be, we're building it. My biggest issue is building these low-income housings at places like Santa Monica and Malibu.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, if you're homeless and on drugs, I don't believe you should deserve beachfront real estate. We're basically rewarding them.

• 53:16Speaker 00

  All right, make some noise, folks. Make some noise, make some noise.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  Next is going to be James Fishback, Ben Burgess, Paul Renner, Randy Fine. Brian, you stick around. Let's also have Michael Francis come up here. And while we're doing this, we're going to go to our sponsors here. Angel Studios, a new movie that's coming out called Drummer Boy. Go for it.

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• 57:01Speaker 00

  Brian, can you tell us what you just said right now?

• 57:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I said I'm going to see that movie.

• 57:04Speaker 00

  Great trailer.

• 57:06Tom Ellsworth?

  I want to be a drummer boy.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  Good for Angel Studios, drummer boy, go watch the movie. It's coming out here. Again, Angel Studios doing a phenomenal job. With that being said, next topic, great to have everybody here. I haven't seen you for a while, but it's good to have you guys on. The next topic is can Democrats save their party? And Ben, I think I'm going to come to you first. Maybe give everybody a little about your background? You know, socialist Democrat, and then how you feel about what the Democrats could do to save their party?

• 57:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Sure. So yeah, my name is Ben Burgess. I'm a columnist for Jacobin Magazine. And I would say that judging by everything we've been seeing at the polls, judging by the results we've seen so far, the more important question is could the GOP save themselves? Because right now, it looks like we're about to find out whether we've got a blue wave or a blue tsunami.

• 57:55Speaker 00

  How bad do you think it's going to be, in your opinion?

• 57:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't know. We're going to find out in the next couple hours. I am reluctant to say anything with great confidence because, you know, polls are not infallible. But, you know, but right now, I see here in Florida, for example, the last results I saw was like 85, 86% in, and Angie Nixon was ahead by a hair. Right? Just a hair. She could still lose. But right now, I've got to say, if you're a Republican, I have to think this is not looking good for you.

• 58:26Speaker 00

  Well, it looks like Tom's got an update for us. Tom, go for it. What's happening?

• 58:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, we have a call, and we are calling Georgia Senate for John Ossoff with nearly 40% of the vote in. He is up 429,000 votes and 25 points. And this one is not unexpected, but the margin of victory is much larger than we expected. I want to point out something in the middle of Georgia. Let's go to Twigs County in the middle of Georgia, and let's look at a map of data centers. We're going to take a look at where the data centers are, and where there's been a lot of protests that have been going on. So in the middle of Georgia, you have Twigs County, a normally red-rule Georgia. Let's take a look at the margin of victory that Donald Trump had. He was, he absolutely scorched it.

• 59:10Tom Ellsworth?

  So it was 14.7 point victory, 14.7 points that he won Twigs County. Now you look at where it is here, Ossoff is going to carry the county, a shift of 16 points from 2024 to 2026. And keep in mind, Donald Trump won Georgia by only 115,000 votes. Ossoff, right now, up 400,000. The lead by all of our tabulations is insurmountable. We're calling Georgia for soon-to-be Senator Ossoff.

• 59:41Speaker 00

  Tom, how much of this is on the candidate as Mike Collins versus on Trump and what the market is doing?

• 59:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, you can take a look at this. Let's zoom out to Georgia and take a look at the shift. The shift, there's nothing that has gone. Take, what we're showing you here is the difference between 2024 Trump margin of victory and where it is now. Everything has shifted to the left.

• 1:00:04Speaker 00

  But what I'm saying is, that's not answering my question, Tom. Is it the candidate or is it the marketplace? Is it the fact that we don't have an exciting candidate that people want to go out there and rally behind? Or is it the fact that the market is that bad on the Republican side? Fishback, I'm going to come to you. Hold that thought. I see you. Go forward.

• 1:00:19Tom Ellsworth?

  So I believe that what you have is, number one, you have issues with affordability. The number of people in Georgia that said they were financially strained on recent polls coming right up to the election. Take a look at this. You take a look at the the straining. Mike Collins is not a particularly dynamic candidate. John Ossoff is a very dynamic candidate. But Pat, look at the dark brown of people that are saying, I am now.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Not dark brown people. It's just what the, because the way you made it seem like is what the dark.

• 1:00:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Come on, Tom.

• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  I'm just saying, please, cameras are on, go ahead. We give our audience on C-SPAN, Tom, please, restate it properly.

• 1:00:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, the more brown it is.

• 1:00:58Speaker 00

  Yes, thank you.

• 1:00:58Tom Ellsworth?

  The more people were saying they were under financial stress, changing from 2024 to 2026.

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  That's better.

• 1:01:06Tom Ellsworth?

  And there were people that were very upset about the data centers. Specifically, I showed you Twigs County and the big shift. They were very upset to hear a data center was coming. They were fearing for electricity.

• 1:01:17Speaker 00

  That's good to know. So James, I'm going to come to you, James. You know, the question was, can Democrats save the party? Maybe let's change the question. The leak on each party, Republicans, what's their blind spots? Democrats, what's their blind spots? Ben pointed the fact that it's the Republicans that have an issue right now, but I want to give this number to you. According to NBC that just came out today, the Democrats are less popular than the IRS, according to the NBC, okay? 29% of registered voters, positive opinion of the Democratic Party. 38% has a positive opinion of the Republican Party. Why do you think that is, James?

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  This is going to end up being a turnout election, and the most important number for voters at home is 22, $22 more is how much the average American is spending to fill up their tank today than they were before this war started at the end of February. And so if you actually map as an inverse correlation, the gas price against President Trump's net approval rating, it has a 96% correlation. Pat, that's everything you need to know. James Carville said it best in 1992, "It's the economy, stupid." Gas prices.

• 1:02:28Speaker 00

  You think it's that simple?

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  It's that simple. And that's why you're seeing a, it's not even a blue tsunami, it is a total bloodbath at this point. Obviously, very, very early on in the night, but there are races in Florida where, you know, President Trump won by 13 points. Governor DeSantis won by nearly 24 years ago. And these races are coming down to a hair, just half a point deciding them. And so this is a really tough election for my party tonight.

• 1:02:51Speaker 00

  So I want to go to a gas expert, Michael Francis. You have a lot of experience with gas in the past for some people that got the joke.

• 1:02:57Tom Ellsworth?

  In a way, yeah.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  Do you think this is all about gas prices?

• 1:03:01Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, Patrick, I think, I think this election is all about Donald Trump. I think his messaging, he did a lot of good things for the country, no doubt about it. And I think we can see that. But his messaging has been horrible. It really has been. Every time he goes out, he makes everything all about him. You know, I think what happened in 2020, I think there was Donald Trump fatigue. If there wasn't, he might have won that election. Forget if it was fraud or anything else. But people just get tired of him. They get so exhausted. Everything is about Donald Trump. He's done great things. I think the Iran war, I think, was bad timing. I think when he went in, bombed the nuclear plant there, he should have left it alone. Maybe six months later, bomb it again if they were doing it.

• 1:03:45Tom Ellsworth?

  But to go to war, you know, we had a saying on the street. The best way to defeat your enemies is to make them your friends. We realize that. But if you can't make them your friends, then you have to neutralize them, period, end of day, because they're always going to keep coming back. He knew if he didn't have a shot to change that administration there and get rid of them, he should have never done what he did, because they're always going to keep coming back.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  Very interesting take, Michael, to have a position on, and this is coming from somebody that's supported him in the past before, right?

• 1:04:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:15Speaker 00

  Yourself. James, did you want to say something today?

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  I would just add on to that. You're absolutely right. I mean, look, President Trump, I think, has done a. Did a decent job in the first six months of the administration. The biggest success of the second term has been shutting that border. We had 10,000 illegals invading the country in some cases every single day. But the Iran war was a mistake. The economy is no better off today than it was when he took over. Gas prices, unemployment. We are staring down an economy that doesn't look like a golden age. It looks like the exact opposite. And then, if I were advising the president, I would have told him to make his closing argument something like this. We know we did good. We know we screwed up. Give us an opportunity to make this right. Instead, what did President Trump tell Fox News yesterday? You've never been richer. Quote, "You've never been richer."

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  And so it's not just that he screwed up. Not just that he didn't deliver. It's that he's gaslighting as a closing argument, and voters resent that.

• 1:05:10Speaker 00

  Former Speaker of the House of Florida, Paul Renner, how do you feel about what they're saying?

• 1:05:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, look, I mean, in 2024, people were desperate because of the price of things and gave Republicans and Donald Trump the mantle of leadership. And what's happening is not just gas prices, but that's continuing. And the sense is that the focus is not on what people are most concerned about, affordability, but it's on all these other things. And that comment obviously is very unhelpful. And so, and the data centers, in my mind, is an affordability issue, driving up the cost of electricity, water. People sense that it's going to destroy and further degrade their quality of life. You asked about the blind spots? The blind spot is focusing on what, everything but what the voters are focused on, which is affordability. That is the number one issue.

• 1:05:55Speaker 00

  Can I give you some recommendation for the future? Can you get a better marketing team? Can you get some social media? Because you gotta, you gotta get noticed more. I really like the way you handled yourself on the debate. I give you a lot multiple times, but you gotta get more exposure for yourself. Because if the market doesn't know who you are, you're not going to be noticed. My feedback to you, this is separate because of how you handled yourself during the debate. Of course.

• 1:06:15Tom Ellsworth?

  It sounds like, it sounds like an invitation to come on.

• 1:06:17Speaker 00

  I'm expensive. All I'm saying is, you know, I think on a, like, when I watch James doing what he's doing on the market, he knows how to poke. He knows how to get under people's skin, and he kind of goes out to put some stuff out there. Your messaging is very spot on. I just think you gotta market yourself a little bit better. Andrew, you're over here, seem very poised, very calm. You're dressed in a black suit as if it's a funeral today. Like, be a little bit optimistic. But it's fitted, but it's a fitted suit. He got a haircut, he got the look, he got everything going on. What are you thinking about this whole conversation with blind spots on the left and the right?

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  I just didn't want to be the only guy here without a suit.

• 1:06:49Speaker 00

  You look good. I think you look good.

• 1:06:52Speaker 04

  Um, the biggest blind spot, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, is how we deal with Zionism. That is the undercurrent in both Democrats and Republicans. That's what socialists are talking about, and that's what the far-right wing dissident is talking about. Zionism.

• 1:07:10Speaker 00

  Can you unpack that for us?

• 1:07:11Speaker 04

  I can. It's how do we deal with Israeli relations and the way that they deal inside of our government in the 21st century? And because nobody wants to address that on the right, and if you do, you're a social pariah, you're not in with the NGOs, uh, you're in big trouble. And that's what we've come to. This whole election, if the right wing loses it, let's stop pretending it's not a referendum on what's going on in Iran and what's going on with our relations with Israel. Because that's exactly what it is.

• 1:07:43Speaker 00

  Can I play a clip for you? I'm sure everybody's seen it with the president coming up saying, what's going to happen with support for Israel? Is this the clip that we're talking about? Uh, okay, go for it and play this clip. Go ahead.

• 1:07:53Speaker 04

  Now, as far as paying Israel, Bibi Netanyahu and I have made a deal that we give Israel $4 billion a year. And we made a deal months ago that we're stopping, and at there, they're fine with it. Because, you know, they've become a very successful country that are needed. And we won't be paying anymore Israel. So it's just a wasted thing because we've already agreed that by the end of this year, we won't be paying Israel. Now, we'll help Israel if they need it. You know, they've been a great ally, and we've been the greatest of all allies to many, many countries. We've been great to many countries.

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  So, Mr. President, you're saying you're not giving them $4 billion worth of weapons? You're not, you're no longer...

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  We have total control, Brian. We have total control of the Harmostate. Total control of the Harmostate. Nobody thought that was possible. Our navy, our blockade, our military is incredible. We make the best equipment. We have the people that know how to use the equipment the best. You know, it's very complex stuff. When you go to the Patriots and the Tomahawk, it's very complex. You have to, you need smart people to operate.

• 1:08:52Speaker 00

  We can pause this a little bit here. There was another clip, if you want to play the other one, on what he said that, uh, kind of shocked some people. I think he said this a couple of times before. He said, "If I wanted to, go for it."

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  Some reason they do need it, or they need help. So I'm the number one, I was so voted. I'm at 99% approval rating in Israel. Can you believe it? In fact, if people ever got tired of me in the US, I'll move to Israel and become prime minister.

• 1:09:15Speaker 00

  You can pause it right there. Think of it. Does this messaging, do these statements help, hurt, or there's no impact to it?

• 1:09:21Speaker 04

  They hurt bad. You need the dissident right. Republicans got to remember this. They need the dissidents, and they don't have the dissidents. The dissidents believe that Donald Trump has become a stooge Zionist puppet. And that's a huge problem. Nobody in the mainstream right wants to acknowledge this as though the base of Donald Trump wasn't filled to the brim with outcast dissident right-wingers. It was. And until we address that problem, we're just pretending. We're just playing pretend.

• 1:09:51Speaker 00

  Paul, do you agree with them? I got a couple of guests here. My two baby girls, before they go to sleep, they just wanted to come say hi. Everybody say hi to Brooklyn.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  Hi, Brooklyn.

• 1:10:00Speaker 00

  And we have Senna here as well. By the way, uh, Brooklyn, do you agree with Andrew Wilson was talking about earlier? Yes or no? Your answer could be very controversial right now if you say yes or no. Paul, do you agree with them?

• 1:10:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I think it's, there's no question if you ask, especially younger voters, that that, that is a, that is a real issue. Having traveled all over the state, that people on the right have those concerns. I believe that it's, it's really, again, affordability, affordability, affordability. Pocketbook issues will always be the number one issue. And most, most voters obviously care about what's pinching them right now, not what's happening overseas or foreign relations. Now, they don't like wars, having, having been in two of them. And I think on that front, on Iran, you know, I'm, I'm more favorable to what the president was trying to do. But you gotta, if you're going to get in, you get in and you get out.

• 1:10:47Speaker 00

  Then why would they?

• 1:10:48Tom Ellsworth?

  You finish the job, but you don't, you don't let it linger, and we're going to open the straits, close the straits. I think it's been a bleed out on Iran.

• 1:10:55Speaker 00

  Well, why would they elect socialists then if they're worried about just affordability? Nobody elects socialists because they, they don't understand that your corporate income taxes are going to shoot through the roof and taxes and everything else.

• 1:11:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Actually, I disagree. I think Mumdani was elected exactly on social, on, on, he's a socialist, on affordability. Because he said, "I'm going to give you free groceries. I'm going to give you free bus rides. I'm going to give you free, free, free." He gets in, he just gives them taxes. Um, so I think affordability is the issue. It's whether you're going to buy the... I don't think either half of that is true. What, that's not true about what Mumdani said, it's not true about what he's done. Uh, he never said free groceries. He said he was going to build a one public option grocery store per borough, and those plans are underway. Right? You know, that's, uh, we're, we're on track for that to happen. He said he was going to freeze the rent for 2 million New York, New Yorkers in rent-stabilized apartments. And that happened, right? It happened. Uh, he, uh, he said that he was going to go after bad landlords. He's been doing it.

• 1:11:51Tom Ellsworth?

  And, you know, you could see that, uh, actually, contrary to what a lot of people predicted, Mumdani has gotten way more popular since he came into office. Uh, he won by a relatively narrow margin last year, but right now, he's got like a, you know, 69% approval rating in New York. Uh, he has, you know, he's hugely popular, and I think he's hugely popular because he's been delivering the goods.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Right. You know what I think? You know, you were talking about Zionism. I think it's very interesting. I think when you have someone like Abu Sayed, or you have someone like Mumdani, who is not even, not even so anti-Israel, but they're, they refuse to support Israel. They get, they kind of talk around the edges. A very interesting thing happens, and I think Republicans could learn from this in one way or another. What happens is they get all the attention. Everybody goes, "Did you hear what he said?" And they start, so what that means is you get a lot of Abu Sayed, you get a lot of Mumdani, you get a lot of these candidates, and we hear about them 24/7. And I don't even hear about Mike Rogers. When was the last time you heard, I don't, where is Mike Rogers? All I saw was Abu Sayed.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  And, and, and there's, we live in a time, like it or not, where your monologue will be amplified. If you can amplify your monologue, all press is good press. Because what happens is, we go, "Oh, that guy's an anti-Semite, or he hates Israel." But now we're listening. And then he gets a chance to rebut that, or he gets a chance to tell you what his real policies are. And he gets a chance to say, "You know what? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about affordability. Can you guys afford gas and groceries?" And we go, "Oh, wait a minute. I'm listening." And swing voters do that. So that's a hack to me. And I think Zionism in that sense, I totally agree with you. I think that's really where it has a huge impact.

• 1:13:31Speaker 00

  You don't think that it feels disingenuous to the voters that so many mainstream Republicans...

• 1:13:35Tom Ellsworth?

  talk around that issue.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  I do.

• 1:13:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I just won't engage with that issue.

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  And what happens is they become invisible. Because as long as they are blindly on Israel's side, nobody messes with them. It's really ironic because all of a sudden you don't hear about them, but you certainly hear about Abu Saad 24/7. And I think that that's one of the reasons that he's gonna win.

• 1:13:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I just want to say, I grew up in Michigan. Mike Rogers was my congressman for many years. And I would not assume that if people heard more from him, they would like what they were hearing. The man, as far as I could tell, has never found a war that he didn't like until this year, when it was convenient on the campaign trail to back off of the war in Iran. I remember getting constituent mailers from Mike Rogers in like 2006, 2007, where he was still talking about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I think the problem is not that he's not getting enough attention. It's that voters don't like what he's selling.

• 1:14:28Speaker 00

  Okay, so here's a question for you guys. The question is, does an Abdul El-Sayed, and I want to move on this because I got a Stephen A. that's gonna come on here in a couple of minutes. Would an Abdul El-Sayed candidate win in any other state but Michigan as a senator?

• 1:14:42Tom Ellsworth?

  No, of course not.

• 1:14:43Speaker 00

  But what other state would he win in? A candidate like that?

• 1:14:46Tom Ellsworth?

  He could win in places like California, Massachusetts.

• 1:14:49Speaker 00

  He wouldn't win in California.

• 1:14:50Tom Ellsworth?

  What's that?

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  He wouldn't win in California.

• 1:14:51Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I think he could.

• 1:14:52Speaker 00

  Okay, what other states could a candidate like that win in?

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  New York.

• 1:14:56Speaker 00

  New York, I think New York, what else? What else? Illinois?

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 1:15:00Speaker 00

  What other places?

• 1:15:01Tom Ellsworth?

  I mean, it's entirely possible Angie Dixon's gonna win Florida tonight.

• 1:15:05Speaker 00

  But is she a background like him? Not the socialism side, I'm talking on the Muslim Islamist side, with the Muslim Brotherhood comments, something like that. Do you think a person like that can win in other states?

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  But remember what Said does. He talks about playing football. He talks about being an athlete. He does pushups on stage. He talks about how Pete Hegseth rode the bench. He talks about being a capitalist. He has a business. He says, I'm not a socialist. He talks about affordability, affordability, affordability. That's why.

• 1:15:35Speaker 00

  So can someone like that win in a different state?

• 1:15:37Speaker 03

  He's charismatic.

• 1:15:38Speaker 00

  So can someone like him win in other states?

• 1:15:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, they can win in different states, yes. And not only that, socialist populism's here. And it's the sum of all fears for the right. But if we get real socialist populists in there who decide that they're going to become very pro-union, which means anti-immigration, but then move their economic plan forward, the American people will compromise with that. It's the sum of all fears.

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:03Tom Ellsworth?

  And that's where we are.

• 1:16:04Speaker 00

  I want you to stay here with us because I'm gonna go to Stephen A. Let me know if Stephen A. is up here. Where is our friend Stephen A. Smith? If you're up here, can we see his face if he's joining us? They're telling me he's backstage virtually. Can we put him up there so I can see him? He just did a phenomenal, phenomenal interview with Governor Ron DeSantis earlier today, I think it was posted today or yesterday. He's not in his seat, okay, we'll come back to him. So then we'll come back to him. Let me show you guys what I have here, okay? This is my concern. This is my concern of what I have. I have a list here that I want to share with you. The list is the bench of 40 under 40, both political parties. And what I noticed with this, the concern is the deep bench on the left

• 1:16:46Speaker 00

  versus the deep bench on the right being under the age of 40. Can you pull this up for me? For the folks that are watching this, we chose to follow on things when we pulled this up. Under 40, you have to be under 40 eligibility, proven or tested, serving an elected official or a notable candidate in 2022, 2026, a plausible role as a governor, senator, leader, mayor, or cabinet member. And then we took the follow-in, we weighted it. Influence and governing leverage, 25%. Electoral performance and momentum, 25%. Media and persuasion ability, like James Fishback, 20%. Coalition breadth, 15%. Credible next stop opportunity, 15%. Can you pull up the names that we have up there for me, please? So here's who we have, some of these names.

• 1:17:31Speaker 00

  Some of them you may recognize, some of them you may not. Joe C., Michael Bashar, David Carter, Norman Alexis. You can go all the way down to the last names that we have. Cat, James Fishback, based on the scores at 34. James, we gotta kind of get you up there a little bit. Josh Hoover, Yasmin Ansari, Addison McDowell, Rue Roman, Aliyah Gaskins, Richie Torres. How many guys have no clue what names I'm reading off here? Who has no idea who I'm talking about right now? But look at this here, Nabila Said, all blue. Four out of five on this slide is blue. If you look at their number, Red Joe Mitchell. Then you got Eric Flores, Rob, Justin B., Maxwell Frost, Brian Jack, Houston Gaines, Matty Dougherty, Brandon Herrera. Which, anybody knows Brandon Herrera? Who knows who Brandon Herrera is?

• 1:18:16Speaker 00

  Youtuber with 5, 6 million subscribers who's going out there, Second Amendment guy.

• 1:18:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Makes great AK-47s.

• 1:18:21Speaker 00

  He makes, yeah, phenomenal. Ryan Fictia, Sarah McBride, Jack. You got Pat Harrigan. Anyways, Anna Paulina Luna Star, but she doesn't want to be in politics long term. Then you have 10th place, Sarah Jacobs on the left. Caroline Levitt. Who would like to see Caroline running in the future someday? Anybody would like to see her running? She's pretty capable, media savvy. You got Austin Davis, Destin Hall. Then you got Brandon Gill. Who likes Brandon Gill? Who here knows who Brandon Gill is? Stud Young coming up. Greg Caesar. Then you got James Talarico. Look at the top four. Mamdani, number three. Number two, Jon Ossoff. Top five out of five is all on the left. And guess who's first place? Can anybody guess who's number one?

• 1:19:06Speaker 00

  Come on, Ben. AOC, number one. What does this tell you? So to me, when I see this, by the way, if anybody's watching this and they want to have this list being sent to them, what is the text on this one? Can you tell me what the text is on this one? 40, text award 40 to 3103401132. Text award, not the number, the letter, F O R T Y, 40 to 3103401132. We'll send you this entire list. What do you think about when you see the bench on the left of 40 under 40 versus the right? James?

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  Well, what I would tell you is, we got a real problem on the right. Because we have a persuasion problem, we can't connect with young people. I'm less interested in the bench of the 40 under 40, although thank you, Patrick, for putting me on there, than I am the voters who are under the age of 40. When my dad was growing up in the 1960s, half, half of 30-year-olds were married and owned their home. Today, less than 15% of 30-year-olds are married and own their home. My generation and younger cannot buy a home, cannot get married, fears losing their job to a foreign worker or artificial intelligence. And that is threatening their whole identity as Americans. Now, the number one question, Pat, that an under 40 voter asked me when I was campaigning here in Florida was, by far, did you take AIPAC money?

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  That is the number one question that young voters asked me personally as I was traveling the state. Young voters on the left and the right, they don't want anyone who has anything to do with AIPAC, with Zionism, with sending US money over to Israel, period. And it's something that my party has to reckon with. I'm no fan of the left, but I gotta tell you, they are right on this issue, Ben. They have adapted in real time, they have a good strategy, and it's time for the right to wake up as well.

• 1:20:48Speaker 00

  Anybody else on the bench? Specifically the bench?

• 1:20:50Tom Ellsworth?

  That includes our NGOs.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:20:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Our right-wing NGOs need to have a counter message of actual America first. It doesn't surprise me that that's the message that you hear, especially when it comes to AIPAC, when it comes to other NGOs. One of the things that the left has been really good about is viciously attacking NGOs from getting tons and tons of cash from the Israeli lobby.

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Now, whether AIPAC does this or not, that's kind of up to the... I've been told they don't, but people seem very sus about that. So I agree with you on this. The question is, is how do you move them away from that sweet, sweet money?

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  That's the tough part.

• 1:21:33Tom Ellsworth?

  That's the tough part.

• 1:21:33Speaker 00

  Paul, what would you say? You've been in this game, you've been in this game for a while. How do you get a deeper bench? Right now, if I'm looking at a team, who won the World Series this year? Anybody want to know who won the World Series? Was it the Yankees?

• 1:21:44Speaker 03

  Brewers.

• 1:21:45Speaker 00

  Was it the Dodgers? Was it the Mets? Did the Mets even make the playoffs? Who won the game? It was the Brewers and the Tampa Bay. So they're going, thinking long game, developing culture, injecting belief, all this stuff. And I had a call the other day with a very heavyweight Republican. And I said, what's the story? How many meetings are Republicans having behind closed doors to develop the next generation of leaders? The late great Charlie Kirk was doing it, who's doing it now? So of course, since we've lost Charlie, that bench has gotten a little bit quiet. What do you think about making that bench bigger on the right?

• 1:22:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, it has to be through, Charlie Kirk could have helped and was helping. But I think it's a factor of that what James referred to is the lack of family formation. You know, conservatism as its core is about these organic social connections that don't depend on government. And young people not having that, as they did just decades or generations ago, are gravitating to the siren song of the left, which promises a direct line from government to providing every need that you can possibly imagine, going back to Mandami and taking care of those problems. And so if you're desperate and you don't have those alternatives to government, the left is a pretty attractive option for young people right now. And they're coming up right now, I believe.

• 1:23:02Tom Ellsworth?

  And this is what really concerns me on our side of the aisle, is not having the experience or believing in the future of the American dream. That the institutions are stacked against them. They don't, America doesn't work for them anymore. And I think this is a real thing for a lot of young people who do not believe. A guy that traveled with me on the campaign said, in my class, went to a great university, don't believe they'll ever own a home, ever.

• 1:23:28Speaker 03

  And so, right now, the average age is, what, forty-something? That's crazy. And so, I think that's the risk we have in recruitment. But then, losing the next generation is my biggest concern, is that they're gonna drift to the left, because the left is gonna promise, make that false promise they can never really deliver on, but it just sounds so good, I wanna believe it.

• 1:23:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, but, I mean, listen, it's a better job selling. And I think the part that we need to be doing is selling people to run. Developing their mindset, developing how to get out there and, you know, do their part on the marketing side, and then encouraging the youth, because right now, they got a deeper bench under forty. And I know, maybe something, "Oh, it's not really a big deal, we're not really thinking about that."

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  But that comes from also not defining yourself on what you're against. What I keep seeing is people saying how much they hate the other side, or they don't like this. You have to be very specific about what you are fighting for.

• 1:24:16Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:24:17Speaker 03

  Defining what we're fighting for is very important if you're a politician. And that comes down to philosophy. It comes down to what are you defending? Well, as an American, this is a brand. This brand, this grand experiment, is about potential. It's about the fact that I can have a better life if I use my energies and my, you know, my, my, my training and everything else, sacrifice, but I, I can have a better time of it tomorrow. That is what this country's about.

• 1:24:46Speaker 00

  That's exactly right.

• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  And if you can't afford a house, oh, boy. And if I can never afford a house, there goes the brand, baby. That's a big problem. And, and one more thing, I think, that's really important. You know, whether you like it or not, when you wage these wars in the Middle East, Iraq and Afghanistan, we're talking twenty-three years, and nothing really changes over there. A lot of dead bodies, a lot of dead brown people, a lot of wounded and dead Americans. Um, and nothing really comes of it. It's very difficult for the Americans to not have, to then start talking about a moral high ground. The next war we go into, and we go, "We're gonna change that place and make it better." What do you mean "better"? Like Afghanistan or Iraq? Like, do you ever talk to the average Iraqi lately?

• 1:25:31Speaker 03

  I haven't. But I, I, so, so that is a very important thing as well.

• 1:25:35Speaker 00

  That's a good point you're making. I want, I wanna go to this due to sake of time. We got Stephen A. Smith here with us. Stephen A., can you hear us and see us?

• 1:25:42Speaker 06

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• 1:26:14Speaker 00

  I can't hear Stephen A., Jake. You gotta put his audio. Okay, can you hear me now, Stephen A., or no?

• 1:26:18Speaker 04

  I can hear you, yes. I can hear you clearly.

• 1:26:20Speaker 00

  How you doing? How you feeling?

• 1:26:21Speaker 04

  I'm doing all right. How you doing? I'm great, man. What's going on?

• 1:26:24Speaker 00

  Good job on the interview with Ron DeSantis. You, you made him look very likeable, and he's all over the place. People are talking about he may run in 2028. So, you have some good, I don't know, people have told you this in the past, you have a decent interviewability. You're, you're pretty good on camera. You should entertain this business. It could be pretty good for you and profitable for you. Stephen A.,

• 1:26:43Speaker 04

  Maybe so, maybe so.

• 1:26:44Speaker 00

  What, what are you thinking? With everybody you're talking to, you were at the president, you were at the White House with Bill Maher, you guys had a four-and-a-half-hour meeting with him privately. Now, you're talking to all these folks that are coming to you, they're knocking on the door. You were on The View a couple days ago. What, what are you feeling? What is the pulse you're getting with what's going on right now with the midterms?

• 1:27:01Speaker 04

  Lot of, lot of animosity towards the president. And they're taking it out on the Republican Party, who they believe has shown no spine whatsoever to rein him in, in their eyes. You do have people who are obviously staunch supporters of the president. You know, they see some of the good that he has done as it pertains to themselves and their own beliefs. Uh, but the war in Iran, uh, being compelled by Netanyahu to do what he's done in that regard, in a lot of people's eyes, has really been a turn-off for them. Uh, the dismissiveness of his words and what they perceive as being his attitude towards the affordability issue. This constant delay, "We're not in a war, but we're in a war." And then, obviously, you bomb Iran, and you say, "We've obliterated them."

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  Then you turn around and you bomb them again, because they're a month away from having a nuclear weapon. And then, after that, it shouldn't last more than four weeks. Then, after that, it shouldn't last more than four months. Now, here we are, a year later, and right before it reached a year later, you're telling the American voter out there, "Vote for us, make sure the Republicans are back in office, and we'll put five thousand dollars in your pocket." That stuff didn't work with a lot of voters out there. It galvanized the base against the meeting, the Democrats. It got them more motivated to vote against him than they were to vote for Democrats. And that's the situation that the Republican Party is looking at right now. They expect it to lose the House. Uh, I just finished interviewing former Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, who's the former head of the chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

• 1:28:26Speaker 04

  He says they're gonna win the Senate as well. And obviously, they're going to prioritize, you know, addressing affordability, investigating Trump, his family and their cronies in terms of what dealings that they've been doing, sort of government benefits and what have you, the government, uh, government contracts to contractors and stuff like that. Got all of this going on right now, and they're gung-ho to get at it. And they believe that there will be a mandate that is handed down this evening, where they will reclaim the House and Senate, and they will be able to really stymie what this man's agenda is over the next two years.

• 1:29:01Speaker 00

  I, I, I like the angle you took earlier, you know, because the question is the following. Let's say, let's play the let's say game. The Dems win the House, and they win the Senate, okay?

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:11Speaker 00

  One, what do you think they'll do? And if they do that, what will happen in 2028?

• 1:29:16Speaker 04

  I believe that the Democrats are going to be arrogant enough to believe it's a mandate as opposed to a vote against Trump. There are gonna be enough of them that think that it was a vote for them, their mandate, that they've reclaimed power, and they're going to be stupid and arrogant enough to go after him with stuff like impeachment. They're definitely going to try to impeach Pete Hegseth. They're definitely going to go after Marco Rubio with an investigation. They're probably going to do the same with Trump. And we're going to be inundated with similar chaos to what was transpiring leading up to the years between when he departed in 2020, and he reclaimed the presidency in 2024.

• 1:29:59Speaker 04

  And that same kind of chaos is going to cost them the presidency in 2028, in all likelihood, to Marco Rubio or Ron DeSantis. That is what I believe.

• 1:30:09Speaker 00

  So, so you have Marco Rubio or Ron DeSantis in 2028, if they go aggressive on the right?

• 1:30:14Speaker 04

  Yes, if they go aggressive on the left.

• 1:30:16Speaker 00

  For sure, yeah, yeah. Meaning, if they attack the right, is what I'm saying. If they go attack.

• 1:30:20Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 1:30:21Speaker 00

  And so, so, Stephen A., a complete different question for you. You and I have talked about, "Hey, Stephen A., what if you run for office one day? What if all this other stuff?" Obviously, I have a report here, which I'm gonna send it to you afterwards. I have the top fifty people with the highest scores on who should run. I'm gonna give fifty names tonight, and you're on this list. I can't tell you where you rank, you gotta look at the list. I'll send it to you afterwards. But the more you're around this, you're in the conversations, do you get the itch? Are you like, "Man, I wanna get into it"? Or does it more is like, "I don't wanna have anything to do with politics ever, I just wanna stay in business"? Does it pull you in, or does it push you away?

• 1:30:57Speaker 04

  It, it, it pushes me away, but only because of what I'd have to sacrifice for a campaign, as you well know, because you're my buddy, and I've told you this. I was informed that the minute I announced I was running, I would immediately have to forfeit my job, um, and, and my career, essentially, because of equal time rules by virtue of what I do. The airtime, I'm not allowed to have that. So, if I were to win the presidency, and I had to give up what I'm doing to run the country, would I do it for that reason? Sure. But I'm not going to do it to campaign. I'm not gonna give up everything on a maybe, that's not going to happen. I wish that I could, because I believe that I could win, to be quite honest with you. And I believe we need to have that kind of structure in the White House. I'm a centrist.

• 1:31:42Speaker 04

  I know, I, I believe in negotiating on both sides of the aisle. I believe in understanding that sacrifice needs to come along with everything. No one gets to get everything that they want, do what's in the best interest of the country, and operate that way. That's what I believe in, and I'm obviously pro-business. I'm about free-market capitalism. As you would say, and I will accurate, I will openly admit this, uh, to them, to everybody, to all of your listeners, because you've said it to me, to my face. You've told me I'm the most conservative Democrat you have ever met. You have said that, and, and I'm here to tell you, you're probably right. I do believe in a safety net. I do believe to help, in helping. and the desolate and disenfranchising and underprivileged amongst us and having some kind of safety net to help those and uplift those who are less fortunate than the affluent

• 1:32:27Speaker 04

  that lives in our society but I am about free market capitalism I am about strong borders I am about strong national security I am about a strong economy and I am about safety in the streets come hella high water I'm that guy so that I definitely think that that's something that needs to exist in the White House and I think that unfortunately too many people on both sides of the aisle have been preoccupied with what they want for themselves and the individual power that they get to flex as opposed to being committed to doing what's in the best interest of the country and that is why I would be interested in running because I think I would be better than all of them.

• 1:33:01Speaker 00

  So if that's the case Stephen A if you're coming this close to it and you're talking politics instead of just going away and talking sports it seems like you're flirting with it you're like hey stay close to me because who knows maybe one day I may change my mind I thought for a second you were about to say and I'm here to announce my you know running for 2020 I thought you were about to give that speech.

• 1:33:22Speaker 04

  Well maybe well you know what I would be doing it if I was rich as Patrick Bedd Davis I mean I'd do it then if I didn't have anything to worry about as it pertained to my quality of life hell yeah I would probably do it but that would be the only condition in which I would do it.

• 1:33:37Speaker 00

  Well if you did that you'd have millions of people who would love to see you do it I've spent a lot of time with you 101 and as much as I always I've told you first time you and I spoke how much I followed your stuff and I would always hear what you had to say your opinion about sports the more I spend time with you the more I like you I wish the world knew your character as well as I know it you're immense you're one of a kind we love you Stephen A thank you so much for your time buddy appreciate you.

• 1:34:01Speaker 04

  Love you too man.

• 1:34:02Speaker 00

  Thank you I love you too.

• 1:34:03Speaker 04

  Take it easy.

• 1:34:04Speaker 00

  Alright so if we can get Brian a break because he seems a little tired Brian if you don't mind giving us taking a break and going over there Ben I'm gonna bring you back up stay here I'm gonna bring you back up as well but what I want to do is I want to bring a couple other folks on stage if I can have do we have the folks here do we have the friends here okay this one's gonna be an interesting one I wouldn't mind bringing up James O'Keefe Dominique Targinsky and Eduardo Bolsonaro if they're here if we can bring those folks up if they're here let's have them come up here because we're gonna have a completely different conversation with them and Paul Ren if you can give us a break I'll bring you back up and Andrew I'm gonna bring you back up as well everybody will stick around let's make some noise for the folks if we can have the other folks

• 1:34:46Speaker 00

  come up here that'd be great in the meantime Tom can you give us an update what's the latest on what's been happening?

• 1:34:52Tom Ellsworth?

  There are some things going on here that are getting pretty serious so let's go take a look at first of all South Carolina Darlene Graham sister of the late Lindsey Graham let's go take a look is it Senate South Carolina Senate South Carolina okay we're trying to find those numbers.

• 1:35:13Speaker 00

  What do you see with South Carolina Tom what's it showing you?

• 1:35:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Andrews is Andrews is leading by more than we anticipated Andrews is leading Darlene Graham more than by what's anticipated South Carolina also there's some things going on in Ohio Ohio Senate.

• 1:35:33Speaker 00

  Okay we'll come back to you Tom we'll come back to you Tom you guys take a look at I'll come back to you Tom looks like he's fired up by the way if you want to know one thing about Tom it's not Tom and I were at an Inc 5000 conference 10-15 years ago and while we're there the mayor of Frisco is there he's got a poker game that's going on while we're doing this they play poker Tom is getting bad hands the entire time 45 minutes into it Tom's face is so red that the mayor from Frisco muscle comes up and says that is the worst poker face in the world you have pocket aces literally eight players we all drop our cards Tom flips his cards he says how the hell did you guys know we have

• 1:36:14Speaker 00

  pocket aces because when Tom is upset or excited his face turns red that's a tale if you ever play poker with him in Vegas I just saved you a few thousand dollars Tom we love you anyways Eduardo great to have you here it's phenomenal to have you here Dominique phenomenal to have you here James you as well so it's fair to say when it comes down to values and principles national sovereignty conservative values there's some interesting things going on around the world your brother which a lot of people think he beat Lula in Brazil the race was close I know Ben doesn't agree with that and Lula came out the debate I thought he crushed it your brother did a phenomenal job in Brazil when he went out there Poland right now who has the lowest rape lowest unemployment probably the safest

• 1:36:58Speaker 00

  country in Europe you guys got a lot of good things going on.

• 1:37:00Speaker 07

  And the biggest gold reserves that's very important.

• 1:37:02Speaker 00

  And the biggest gold reserves but you have Barack Obama who the other day is talking about Poland.

• 1:37:06Speaker 07

  And Hungary yeah.

• 1:37:07Speaker 00

  And Hungary so why do you think these two so we're gonna start off with Poland first and then Eduardo I'll come to you as well all the election of what's going on in America how much does the world get impacted of what's happened what happens here first?

• 1:37:19Speaker 07

  Whatever happens in America it happens in Europe in six months if communists will take over communism will be back in Europe 100% what is going on in Poland now is as communists and globalists in general lost presidential election they are not able to push their agenda because in our system president has to has a right to veto or sign the bill right any new law so they cannot they couldn't beat us so they found a way to get over constitutional tribunal and constitutional tribunal would remove president from the office what it

• 1:38:00Speaker 07

  means it means that when communists cannot win when globalists cannot beat us they're using force it the same thing is going to happen in America if please God I hope it's not gonna happen but if they will take house and a senate the first thing they will try to do is not economy not a war remove president from the office that's what I think they will try you know how they did it in Poland they just closed the building tribunal they get rid of our elected judges and they stuffed it with their people and they said you're not judge anymore you are not president anymore what they did in Brazil how come can you

• 1:38:41Speaker 07

  explain me how come that the candidate who's losing two hours before the end of the election they extended this by two hours and then he gained all the votes from the previous

• 1:38:52Speaker 00

  You know both sides asked for that extension right?

• 1:38:55Speaker 07

  No okay okay but it was used how can you can you explain me mathematically how is it possible that all other candidates who some of them endorsed Bolsonaro did not he didn't get any votes from them how is it mathematically possible it's impossible.

• 1:39:14Speaker 00

  There's nothing mathematically impossible it just didn't go the way you like you guys need to get over this thing.

• 1:39:20Speaker 07

  But I do not know any case in history.

• 1:39:21Speaker 00

  Where every time you lose the election it's a conspiracy.

• 1:39:23Speaker 07

  No it's not a conspiracy it's mathematically impossible because he gained more votes than all other candidates who endorsed Bolsonaro it's ridiculous logic is important in in politics just like philosophy we are not stupid and blind there's nothing there's no theory it's a mathematic and political practice.

• 1:39:42Speaker 00

  Lula winning the election in Brazil should be the least surprising thing ever because if you look back at the last bunch of presidential elections in Brazil the only one that the PT the workers party Lula's party lost was in 2018 when Lula was imprisoned in false charges to make sure.

• 1:40:02Speaker 07

  False charges. That's why that's why we have the saying in Poland it doesn't matter who's voting the most important is who's counting.

• 1:40:08Speaker 00

  Oh so those were all stolen?

• 1:40:09Speaker 07

  So that's what.

• 1:40:10Speaker 00

  All those elections were stolen in Brazil?

• 1:40:12Speaker 07

  That's what's happened during the communism in Poland they were winning all the elections because there was no one else to.

• 1:40:18Speaker 00

  No I think they were winning the elections because they're popular.

• 1:40:20Speaker 07

  But coming back but coming Eduardo we'll explain it better but coming back to Poland and America why is it so important because globalists in general Soros USAID for years they will send money to the leftists as they did as they used to do it for years if European communists would not have money from American leftists nothing what happened since 2015 with illegal migration in Europe wouldn't happen this is the problem open borders abolish army abolish police this is the problem the money was sent from USAID to the radical

• 1:41:02Speaker 07

  left in Europe and what they did they started with the borders they couldn't do it in Poland because of our government and because of my zero we decided none no one will.

• 1:41:13Speaker 04

  will come to Poland and if you want to try now across Polish border, you are shot dead and this is what we need, what we need.

• 1:41:23Speaker 03

  Something seriously wrong with you, you're clapping for that.

• 1:41:26Speaker 04

  I haven't finished yet. It's Polish law. It's Polish law. You see, that's the other thing. The lefty, they don't want to listen about facts. It's not my opinion. It's, I haven't finished.

• 1:41:38Speaker 03

  No, I'm sorry, but you just lied about what I said. I didn't say, I wasn't disputing the facts. I said, there's something wrong with you if you're clapping for shooting people for crossing the border. There's something deeply wrong with you on a human level. That's not a dispute about facts.

• 1:41:52Speaker 04

  It's great.

• 1:41:53Speaker 03

  That's a dispute about basic human.

• 1:41:55Speaker 04

  Okay, it's beautiful. Do you want to clap? I think many people are clapping.

• 1:41:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think this is where a lot of people clap.

• 1:42:02Speaker 04

  So you know what I, I wish you, I wish you, because I tried to explain it like a, to a five-year-old. When someone is trying to break into your home, you visit him with the flowers? Or you shoot them to protect your family?

• 1:42:18Speaker 03

  Well, I think that sounds like an explanation that a five-year-old would give with a five-year-old's understanding of what the options are. It's either flowers or murder. There's nothing in between.

• 1:42:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, give them chocolate then.

• 1:42:30Speaker 04

  Okay, so our experience.

• 1:42:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Can I say something? I want to say something.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  I, I, I'm finished. Just one sentence.

• 1:42:35Tom Ellsworth?

  No, in your defense, I want to say something. This is the same, no, no, no. This is the same attitude that when we ask people to stand up, okay, for the parents of people that were raped and murdered from people coming over the border, they wouldn't want to stand up. That's okay?

• 1:42:51Speaker 04

  No, so listen.

• 1:42:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Is that okay?

• 1:42:53Speaker 00

  No, hang on, hang on, hang on, Dominic. He's asking him. He's asking you a question.

• 1:42:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Is that okay?

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  Is what okay?

• 1:42:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Is it okay to sit down and not stand up, okay, and pay respects to the parents of people, of, of two women that were murdered? Okay, because illegal migrants came over the border and raped and murdered them and they didn't have the courtesy to stand up.

• 1:43:11Speaker 03

  I think that you know that that's misleading. I think that what they weren't standing up for was a demagogic use of those people's deaths in order to promote.

• 1:43:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Demagogic?

• 1:43:19Speaker 03

  A wildly false narrative about crime in the United States.

• 1:43:23Tom Ellsworth?

  You call that demagogic?

• 1:43:24Speaker 03

  That immigrants have committed a murder at a higher rate than native-born Americans. Facts are stubborn things. There's a fact that immigrants do not commit murder at a higher rate than native-born Americans.

• 1:43:34Tom Ellsworth?

  But they did commit those murders.

• 1:43:36Speaker 03

  That murder was committed by an immigrant.

• 1:43:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Parents of the people that were murdered.

• 1:43:40Speaker 03

  But if you said, oh, hey, you found some case, like, you know, let's say an antisemitic politician was saying, hey, I found a case where a Jewish person murdered someone. Could you stand to respect the parents of people who were murdered by Jews? No, you would sit down because you would understand that that was being used as a demagogic thing for antisemitic purposes and this is the same thing for anti-immigrant purposes.

• 1:44:02Tom Ellsworth?

  No, it wasn't. It was very simple.

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  No, it's not.

• 1:44:04Tom Ellsworth?

  It was very simple. Stand up for the parents of.

• 1:44:08Speaker 03

  Here's your homework if you're watching it. Watch the clip and see what point Trump was making in that speech when he brought that up.

• 1:44:15Speaker 04

  Can I, just, just one sentence, coming back to my thought, okay? If they will not come to our Polish border, they will not be dead. Do not come. We don't have this discussion.

• 1:44:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I agree. I agree.

• 1:44:26Speaker 04

  Do not come. And there is no problem. There is no discussion. There is no chocolates or flowers and there is no guns.

• 1:44:32Speaker 03

  Totally agree.

• 1:44:33Speaker 04

  Do not come. Go to car.

• 1:44:34Speaker 03

  What is wrong with, say, the only options are chocolates, flowers or murder?

• 1:44:37Speaker 00

  Ben, can I ask you a question? Dominic, let me ask him a question. So if somebody comes to your house, in your house, they open the door. If I walk into your house, what should you be able to do to me legally?

• 1:44:48Speaker 03

  Do you think that's a good analogy for immigration?

• 1:44:50Speaker 00

  Of course I do because it's our home, homeland. This is our homeland. I live in my homeland. You cross my border? This is my homeland. I'm entering the door of your homeland. So go back to the question. What do you see the problem with him? Lowest rape, lowest crime, lowest unemployment out of all the countries in EU? And if you cross the line, they'll kill you. What's wrong with that? Go ahead.

• 1:45:13Speaker 03

  I think that, I think that killing people for nonviolent offenses is something.

• 1:45:19Speaker 04

  They killed our soldiers. They raped women in Europe. What are you talking about?

• 1:45:24Speaker 03

  With standard human values.

• 1:45:25Speaker 04

  Nonviolent jihadis.

• 1:45:26Speaker 03

  Is going to have a problem with. Yes.

• 1:45:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, so jihadis are coming with.

• 1:45:28Speaker 03

  If somebody has committed a nonviolent crime, you could arrest them, but no, you should not kill them.

• 1:45:32Speaker 00

  By the way, can I, can I say, and I want to go to Eduardo on this, Dominic, so I'm going to come back to you guys. And I got a couple of other people and we got a couple of things to do as well. But Ben, this is what I want you to think about on what you just said. A part of the reason, by the way, my son Dylan, everybody, he scored four goals today in the game, so make some noise for Dylan. Great job, buddy. And he just got back from practice, but thank you for that. But you know, a part of it, if you think about, immigration is not a top three issue right now. Why not? Because it was fixed, but it wasn't 2024. The only reason immigration is not an issue is because we're not seeing the number of people crossing the borders and YouTubers and podcasters there saying, what the hell is going on here? There is a reason why so many people side with him.

• 1:46:13Speaker 00

  The 250,000 rapes in UK, the numbers that we've seen, it's pretty scary sad on what's going on.

• 1:46:18Speaker 04

  Just revealed ones.

• 1:46:19Speaker 00

  I'm going to come back to you. Stay here. I want you to stay up here because I don't mind you pushing back. Eduardo, your brother was in a debate with Lula. Lula, president of Brazil, who Operation Car Wash many years ago, he went to prison for theft. He was given a house, all this other stuff. Alexandre de Morais comes in, the Supreme Court from Brazil. Can you pull up his picture? He looks very friendly. He looks like a sweetheart of a guy. If you can put his picture up, somebody you would want to be friends with. This man right here, if you can put his picture up, Alexandre de Morais, goes back and says, who can beat Jair Bolsonaro? Goes to prison, brings a guy out named Lula, who Obama called one of the greatest politicians of all time. Look how sweet this man looks here.

• 1:47:00Speaker 00

  Tell me this isn't somebody you want babysitting your kids. This guy goes and brings Lula out of prison.

• 1:47:07Speaker 00

  Then Lula becomes president. Your father, I was there when I was interviewing him, 10 minutes after we're done with the interview, somebody comes whisper saying, you got to get out. You're going to jail now. There were some issues that he was facing when we were in, I think it was Brasilia when we were together there. Your brother is now in Miami, if I'm not mistaken. What happened to Brazil elections?

• 1:47:26Speaker 03

  It was clearly stolen. It's like, give me the most Republican state of the United States. I don't know, Wyoming. So maybe you opened the, started the county and then, oh, Biden won in Wyoming, one in Texas, one in, I don't know, any other central state here. Is it possible? Yes, it's possible. It's possible Brazil score 100-0 in a game, soccer game against Argentina? Yes, all of this is possible. That's why people say, oh, it's mathematically possible. Yeah, but the situation in Brazil to explain to you Americans is like, we do not have primaries in Brazil. So in the first round, everybody runs. In the two best positions, they go to the runoff. All right?

• 1:48:09Speaker 03

  So imagine the first round, you have Trump 147%, second one was Kamala Harris, 45%. Then all of the 8% rests, it's among Mike Pompeo, Nick Haley and Bob Kennedy. You're going to run off. Who you think the guys who in the first round, the voters who in the first round voted for Mike Pompeo, Nick Haley and Bob Kennedy, are they going to vote for everybody to Kamala Harris?

• 1:48:45Speaker 03

  This is the situation in Brazil. What I'm telling you is exactly the picture of Brazil. So in the first round, you had 9 million votes that goes to these other center or center-right candidates. And suddenly, 90 million votes, remind that. And suddenly, on the runoff, Lula got almost 11 million votes more, which means that he got all of the votes of these, all of the other candidates plus almost 2 million more votes. How can someone come to me and say, this is okay, this is legal? Then you have a lot of other things. Just like Venezuela in 2015, what happened is 5:00 PM, it ended. You cannot vote after 5:00 PM in Brazil.

• 1:49:27Speaker 03

  And the elections happen in every county or the whole country in only one day. After 5:00 PM, everything is closed. When it was 5:01, a justice, not from the electoral court, from the Supreme Court.

• 1:49:43Speaker 03

  For sure, he's not caring about the electoral court. He said, no, no, no, let's open the, let's keep, there are some cities that they have problems with transportation, whatever. And let's extend the rotation two hours more in some cities. And who asked for to do that? Lula da Silva. Lula da Silva asked that. Why? Because some buses in the city of Salvador and some others, they did not, they weren't, they weren't working, they weren't working properly. Because a union that is connected with the left, they put stickers of Lula on the bus. And by the Brazilian law, you cannot campaign on the day of the election. So what the mayor did is the bus are not going to get out from the garage. They are not going to work today.

• 1:50:29Speaker 03

  We need to take out all of these stickers and then they can go back to the normality. So this was the excuse and for sure, everything is tied. The union, there is no union from right in Brazil. All of the unions are connected with the left-wing movements or left-wing parties. They did that, so they did give the excuse to Lula to go not to the electoral court, but to the Supreme Court, asking for the justice with only casuality, all right? It's just a coincidence. Is the former lawyer of Lula da Silva. So his former lawyer that he appointed to the Supreme Court gave an order to say, okay, in these left-wing cities, you can vote for the next two hours until 7:00 PM. Are we really talking this is a democracy?

• 1:51:14Speaker 03

  And then for sure, the lawyers of my brothers say, look, once they scam the rotation, once they have a way to do what they did in Venezuela in 2015, it's done. Once Lula is elected, that is very hard. There is no way to annul the election. So what they did is, we have an option. We do nothing and then you have more people likely voting left in these cities. Or we can try to also open, we're disparaged, we can try to open two more hours for people in our cities to vote to, where you have some strong reins, whatever. So this is what they did. That's why he was saying, oh, the lawyers of Jair Bolsonaro.

• 1:51:54Speaker 00

  What do you have to say to that? What do you have to say to that?

• 1:51:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that it's a lot of cope and it's a lot of excuses. I think that Lula won because he's an extremely popular politician who has, you know, who has won multiple times before. It should be extremely unsurprising that he won. And I also think as far as that specific story we heard, the, the most important part was very quietly tucked into a little corner at the end, which is that his brother's lawyers also asked for an extension. When Lula's lawyers did, that's evidence of a.

• 1:52:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Conspiracy to steal the election with his brother's lawyers did well that's different because you know they just had to or whatever uh both sides were asking for extensions there's absolutely no serious evidence of fraud it's just become an article

• 1:52:37Speaker 00

  Just out of curiosity Ben, Ben, hang on. Ben, question for you, is, is he a criminal? Is Lula a criminal?

• 1:52:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I don't think so, no, because I think that, I think that, uh, yes, he did, uh, he did go to jail and it turned out that there was crazy corruption in that trial, there was crazy collusion between, uh, between the judge, the prosecutors, and I'm sorry, the Bolsonaro family in that trial, which is why he got out of prison.

• 1:53:03Speaker 03

  My family, what my family have of the car wash operation?

• 1:53:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, uh, I would, I would recommend, I will, I will even name somebody who I think that some viewers this might take seriously, Glenn Greenwald, uh, wrote a very good book, I think it was called Defending Democracy, about, uh, about Brazil.

• 1:53:21Speaker 00

  I'm gonna give you the final thoughts on this, and then I'm gonna go to Tom, he's got an update, go for it.

• 1:53:24Tom Ellsworth?

  And, and you could read all about the problems with that trial, and, uh, I think this protestation of innocence, oh, oh, no, no, no, the Bolsonaro's had absolutely nothing to do with this, rings very hollow.

• 1:53:36Speaker 03

  Alright, let me ring some details, uh, he's saying that Lula was persecuted by a judge, a local judge, his name is Sergio Moro, who's by the way, just got elected governor of a state in the south of Brazil, so this judge, in the case of the apartment that we received from a company with was bribery, it's a state, it's in the beach of Guarujá, in the São Paulo state, and also a farm in the city of Atibaia, for this case of bribery, with reforming the apartments and giving some lands to Lula, this judge convicted Lula for eight years in jail, Lula appealed for a state court, in the state court, what they

• 1:54:14Speaker 03

  did is, five of the judges, they increased the punishment for 12 years, so, how can the local judge, he's persecuting you, and he say that you are guilty and convicting you for eight years, and then you appeal to another court where you have other five judges, and then these other five judges say, no, no, no, you're not only convicted, you're guilty, but you're going to increase your punishment for 12 years in jail, and then he did go again to the Superior Justice Court in the capital in Brasilia, and this court said, okay, Lula, you are convicted, you, by the way, this rights, my father never had, my father was, uh, this justice, Alexandre de Moraes, was the repreater of his case,

• 1:54:59Speaker 03

  and he, they convicted my father, my father, there is no one, no other court to appeal, and at the end of the day, everybody, almost 20 judges convicted Lula, he's saying that he's not corrupt, false accusations, but the apartment is still there in the Guarujá beach, the farms is still there in the Atibaia city, you can go there and see with your own eyes, what you have there, and to finish it, the Supreme Court never said that Lula is not guilty, what they did is, Lula was, uh, his trial was in the wrong city, his trial was supposed to be in the, in the city of São Paulo or in Brasilia, and he was convicted in the city of Curitiba, so, they restarted all the process against Lula from the ground,

• 1:55:43Speaker 03

  and for sure, these cases are related for facts of 2007, and there is no time anymore to convict him.

• 1:55:49Speaker 00

  Look, the, the reality of it is, right now, with what happened, 11 million votes, that's a little weird what happened, a lot of people are suspect, but the part is, how much, the other day I had Pete Buttigieg on, on the podcast last week, and I asked him a question, I'm trying to find out what's gonna be happening with the plan of 2028, in the month of May of this year, they had a meeting in Canada, closed-door meeting with Barack Obama, Slotkin, who, I don't know if you guys heard, Slotkin is a lady that said, we wanna do something where conservatives coming out of college, they're frightened of joining the MAGA movement or things like that, so they wanna put the fear in them, and Pete was at the meeting as well, I said, what did you guys talk about at that meeting? Then we talked about wealth tax, and I said, so, what happens if people who are getting the wealth tax in the state of California are not happy, and they leave and they go to Texas and Florida, what do you do with that?

• 1:56:33Speaker 00

  He says, that's why I believe wealth tax needs to be a national thing, meaning a national wealth tax, even if you escape to Florida, then I said, great, then what if, now Ben, this is the part that concerns a lot of people, I said, now what if some people say, screw America, if you're gonna do wealth tax on everybody, the billionaire like, uh, CZ from Binance, he lives in a country to, Singapore, he's got 5,000 employees in 100 plus countries, I said, what if they leave America to a different country, you know what he said? This is why you have to get the world to agree on having a wealth tax in all the countries, I said, you sound like a globalist, that's why people fear you right now, this is why what's happening in Poland, Brazil, all the other places, people are worried, something could shift in a mentality going left or right, and scares the crap out of them, before

• 1:57:17Speaker 00

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• 1:58:41Speaker 00

  when they come out, Tom, what is the latest, what is the latest update we have here?

• 1:58:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, let's first take a look at the balance of the power in the Senate, the night started, 31 Republican seats in place, 34 Democrat, there have been nine calls for Democrats tonight, and I'm gonna give you the one that's been called for the Republican side, so let's go first to the state of Florida and see how Byron Donalds is doing, and then, Byron Donalds is now up by 1.2%, as you can see, the whole panhandle is in, the South Florida is in, the blue areas of Miami and Fort Lauderdale, as expected, he's up by 1.2. The last polling, remember Pat, this was predicted to be a four and a half to five-point race, other people said, nope, I think it's gonna be tighter than that, it is, it's 90%

• 1:59:28Tom Ellsworth?

  in, he's got a 98,000 vote lead, it looks good for Byron Donalds, but nail-biter compared to what was expected, however, on the other side, Senate for Florida, we're calling Ashley Moody will win the Senate for Florida, she's got a five-point lead with 90.5% of the vote counted, now, a bit of an upset, let's go to South Carolina, South Carolina Senate, take a look, Annie Andrews has a 5.3% lead over Darlene Graham, and the area on this map that you can see here, that hasn't been tabulated yet, is dark blue, those are dark blue voting areas, expected to be 58-42 for Andrews, so this, this is expected to spread

• 2:00:13Tom Ellsworth?

  further, now, let's go check on early look on Texas, Texas, there's some things going on down there, they're making people nurses, look at Talarico, early on, 715,000 vote lead with 18.2% margin, and 39, almost 40% of the vote in, this was supposed to be, oh, the turnout will be there, that's what I was thinking, I was hoping, there's a lot more to count in Texas, but Paxton is gonna have to overcome 715,000 vote deficit as we go forward.

• 2:00:48Speaker 00

  Let me, let me ask you a question, did you just say 715,000 deficit?

• 2:00:52Tom Ellsworth?

  That is exactly right, Talarico is sitting at 2.3, and Ken Paxton's sitting at 1.5, 1.6, almost 1.6.

• 2:01:01Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:01:02Tom Ellsworth?

  With about 30, see, what do we got, 30, now, almost 40% of the vote in, in Texas, this, so, there, all of the seven, the seven that were on the edge and everything, oh, we can show you Ohio, Ohio Senate, look what Sherrod Brown is doing to John Husted, it's a 9.2% lead with 45% of the vote in, Sherrod Brown has now a 200,000 vote lead in Ohio, so with the exception of Ashley Moody, I haven't shown you a lead or a call for a single Republican Senator in those seven toss-up, which are not really toss-ups.

• 2:01:40Speaker 00

  That is pretty wild, that is pretty wild, so, do we have Glenn Beck ready in the back? Let me, let me know if Glenn Beck is ready, the great Glenn Beck, Glenn, if you can see me and hear me.

• 2:01:49Tom Ellsworth?

  He's an optimist, because he is an entrepreneur.

• 2:01:51Speaker 00

  Glenn, how are you, how you doing?

• 2:01:52Tom Ellsworth?

  He's an entrepreneur and a pessimist. There he is.

• 2:01:54Speaker 00

  Hey, how are you, my man? How are you, how you doing?

• 2:01:57Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm really good, I'm really good.

• 2:01:59Speaker 00

  Did you see the numbers, did you see the numbers on Talarico having a 715,000 vote lead on Paxton?

• 2:02:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Did you see my mouth say, shut up?

• 2:02:11Speaker 00

  Okay, so how are you feeling? What are you thinking what's going on? It's bad. What are you thinking what's going on? We had 7% population increase in Texas. A lot of it came from, or sorry, is it 4%? In four years, 7% in the last four years. A lot of it came from California. Um, you have Texans, actual Texans, who are very conservative, sick of, quite honestly, of, of, uh, of the governor. They don't think he, I mean, they think Ron DeSantis was more of a Texan than Texas was during COVID and everything else. They don't see him as somebody who's actually

• 2:02:51Speaker 00

  really guns a blazing. Um, Paxton, they've just, they don't trust him. He's, he ran the worst campaign I've ever seen anybody run. It's like he wasn't even running. Um, uh, and he just wasn't trustworthy to too many people here in Texas. Um, and, uh, you know, and, and then on top of that, you have the president, um, being the best out of all of them, and still he didn't get the message right. I mean, El Sayed had the, I think, had the best campaign slogan out of anybody I've seen in the country, and that is more money in your pocket. What was it? More money in your pocket? More, you know, Islamic rituals or money out of politics. Money in your pocket, Medicare for all.

• 2:03:36Speaker 00

  And money, yeah, and healthcare for all. I mean, he, he was talking about the things, or at least the slogan was, that I think people were, are concerned about. And I didn't see anybody. What is the message of the Republicans? Patrick, what, what is it? I, I don't know. I know. I gotta tell you, I told this earlier. I said, there's four different types of voters. The, the type of voter is those you lose to the opposing party, that just don't want to vote for you, Republicans or Democrats. Number two is those who sit out and they're like, you know what? I'm not even gonna vote for anybody. Number three is those who vote for you, but don't tell anybody. And then the last one is the highest level, which is what you want. Those that vote for you and want to tell everybody what they're excited about voting for you.

• 2:04:18Speaker 00

  I don't know who the Republicans had that everybody's going out saying, hey, Glenn, you gotta vote for this guy. He's amazing. I don't, I don't know if they have somebody like that on this, uh. I don't think they did. I don't think they did. They don't have a message. Here's a good thing, Patrick. I think there's a chance that, um, this resets the Republican Party entirely. Um, they're, they're, they're, it's just bad. It's just bad. Um, I, I will tell you that if it turns out to be a landslide, um, and a very bad night for Republicans, uh, the Democrats, especially the El Sayeds, the AOCs and the Marxists are all gonna beat their chest and say, it's us and it's our message.

• 2:05:02Speaker 00

  Um, and that's gonna cause an internal fracture with those few Democrats who will still go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I, I am not for this. This is too far. Um, and I think it could turn out to, to be, it's gonna be really tough, but it could turn out to be the best thing to happen to us. I, I, I learned my lesson in 2020 of stop saying, oh, this is the end of the world. It's gonna be horrible. We wouldn't have had the Donald Trump that we have today had it not been for him losing in 2020. So it turned out to be a really good thing for us in the end. We had four years of pain. We might have two years of really bad pain, but they might get so crazy and so radical,

• 2:05:46Speaker 00

  uh, that the Republicans are scared straight and you, you sweep in 28. I want to ask you a question since I have you right now. You had a clip that went viral, uh, uh, last week and you said, the last time I said something like this, it was 2008. I don't know exactly how you said it, but you prefaced it in, in something like that. So the concern, there's a lot of people, yesterday at 2:00 AM, one of US's, uh, drones was shot down. Uh, I believe near Cargill and Kish, Kish, uh, island that's out there, and then US retaliated. No casualties. Nobody was killed. Nothing happened there. But a lot of people are concerned, you know, of, hey, is something gonna be happening? You think right after this, if the election is lost and Trump's not gonna be happy,

• 2:06:26Speaker 00

  could it lead to a war? Could it lead to something happening with the grid being down? Has your position changed? Are you still in the same skeptical, skeptical? No, and I wasn't because of, it wasn't because of the war. I've been watching this, Patrick, you know, I've been watching this forever. Yep. Uh, and I've been watching the Green Red Alliance. I've been watching Marxism. Uh, I've been watching from the Arab Spring all the way, and this is a very well crafted plan. This, this, to me, what I'm watching tonight and what I'm gonna be watching over the next six months, uh, for our elections all over the world, this is the first global election. Um, the same tactics are being used by many of the same people.

• 2:07:06Speaker 00

  Um, the same policies are being passed, the same, I mean, you had Slotkin come out, uh, this weekend, or, I mean, a couple of months ago, uh, talk about she's, she and the Democrats are gonna use the iron broom. I didn't know what that meant until what happened this weekend in Poland. The iron broom is what they just did with the kind of quasi coup in Poland. Um, they'll teach the other side a lesson. So we're seeing the same tactics everywhere. I also am really concerned about hacking. More information came out on that, uh, this week, you know, freezers are being shut down. We had, uh, we have, I think, how many, Jason, was it like 20 different, uh, countries now are saying

• 2:07:47Speaker 00

  you need to have supplies, uh, you need to be self-sufficient. The government may not be able to respond right away. There are too many things that are happening all around the world that are putting us in a very precarious situation. And I mean us as the West. And I, I think 27 is going to be a very dicey year. When it comes to the war in, um, Iran, I absolutely think the president is gonna go out, because if he, especially if he loses the Senate, this Senate, there are members that look at Iran as a bigger ally than the United States of America.

• 2:08:25Speaker 00

  Uh, and I think he's, he knows if they get in, they will cut off the funding. They will shut this war down. Uh, he has got to win. How he does that, I don't know. It's not gonna be with nukes, uh, and it's not gonna be with troops, but I, I would imagine if it's a bad night tonight, not because he's angry or anything else, because he knows he's now on a very short timeline of January, and he's gonna hammer the bats not out of these guys. He's gotta kill 3,000 IRG members, IRGC members, at least 3,000 of them. He's gotta kill them. Um, and then somebody's gotta give the streets guns.

• 2:09:06Speaker 00

  Uh, and if the people will rise up and he can kill enough of the IRGC members, we have a chance of turning this around. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's what a lot of people are worried about. And they're sitting there saying, if this attack goes, and if he doesn't, by the way, and this extends into a long war, then that means the Republicans are gonna lose in 2028. And so then, and AOC gets elected. My opinion is if this war prolongs and he's not able to get it done in the next 60 days, he'll be gridlocked, which means he can't do anything. Then if it prolongs even more, gas prices stay high, interest, let's say war doesn't bring it down, and the economy is not necessarily getting fluid, then 2028, AOC will be your president

• 2:09:47Speaker 00

  in 2028, my estimation. Not saying you agree with that. That's just my estimation. Glenn, always great having you on. Uh, we look forward to having you on the podcast. You're a long form together here soon. Thank you so much for your time. Thanks, Patrick. Yes, appreciate you. All right. So, uh, James, what do you think about what he had to say here?

• 2:10:03Speaker 02

  I think Glenn Beck's right that Republicans, what are we running on anymore? We, we know what we're against. We're against drag queens. We're against socialism. We're against all of this. What are we running for? Abdul El Sayed is going to be the next United States Senator from Michigan. That is a fact at this point. What did he run on? He ran, his catchphrase was, money out of politics, money in your pocket, Medicare for all. Now, politics aside, political substance aside, there's not a single Republican who ran in this election who could sum up their platform in a positive affirmative vision. Do I actually think that Abdul is gonna get you free healthcare? No. Do I actually think he's gonna get money out of politics? No.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  But Republicans aren't even trying. So allow me to try, if I may, Pat. If I could do the Abdul-esque affirmative statement for what Republicans should be fighting for in 2028. Fight for the middle class, stay out of the Middle East, and defend the United States Constitution.

• 2:11:02Speaker 00

  For 2028. Were you joking when he said he gonna run for office in 2028?

• 2:11:06Speaker 02

  I was being sarcastic, but the point is, Pat, we have to run for something, not merely against it. If you went to the halls of Congress and asked a Republican, "Why should we vote for you?" They're gonna tell you about how the other guy is a fascist, or a socialist, or a crazy kook. They're not gonna tell you affirmatively why we should vote for them. I also wanna take the opportunity, I know you just called the race for Ashley Moody here in Florida. I wanna congratulate her. It's all but certain that Byron Donalds, Republican, my former competitor, is going to win this race. And I wanna directly speak to the Governor-elect Byron Donalds tonight. Congratulate you on your win. This was a close win, Governor-elect. It's now your obligation to bridge what was a one-point victory to unite the state of Florida. Floridians from the Panhandle to Miami, I spoke with them, you spoke with them.

• 2:11:51Speaker 02

  They are looking for real unity at this time. And I wanna congratulate the Governor-elect on this victory, and I hope that he has an opportunity to lead the state with courage.

• 2:11:59Speaker 00

  Thank you for that, guys. Here's what I wanna, I wanna get to the next part. So Ben Burgess, James Fishback, if you guys can dismiss yourself. If I can get Roger Stone up on stage here, as well as Robert Davi. If Robert Davi, see, anybody knows Robert Davi, the actor Robert? If we can get those two coming up here, Roger Stone always comes up with his beautifuls. Make some noise for our next guest coming up. So, this is what we're gonna be talking about. Eduardo, if you can also be dismissed, we'll bring you back. I wanna have Brian Callen come up. Thank you also, Eduardo, for your time. Appreciate you for coming down. So here's what I wanna talk to you guys about, and I wanna surprise you a little bit. And I wanna see how you react to it, James. You're here also intentionally, not just stay quiet, cuz you're rarely quiet, but we need your insight for this as well. Roger Stone, pleasure meeting you, you look amazing.

• 2:12:43Speaker 00

  Roger, great having you here. Roger, great to have you here, look amazing as usual. If you like Roger's suits, Roger Stone sells suits, his own suits. All right, so let's get into this, let's get into this, and I wanna get a little bit spicy. And folks in the audience listening to this, comment, tweet at me, I wanna hear your thoughts on who you would like to see run. I personally, I'm committed to calling people to say, "You gotta run in 2028, 2032, 2036. We gotta get a deeper bench with the values that we believe in. Capitalism, free market, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly." So we came up with this list, and the list we used, Roger wrote a book many years ago, I think it was called Roger's Rules, or Stone's Rules? Stone's Rules.

• 2:13:25Speaker 00

  If we can go to the second slide, I call this the first-round draft picks, celebrities to office, and the seven ways we scored everybody is the following. Number one is name recognition. Does this person have name recognition? Roger was one of the first folks in the early 80s, when he met Donald Trump, he says, "I think this guy has what it takes to run for president." People thought he was crazy, ended up being right twice, specifically with that case. So name recognition, do people know who this person is? Number two, charisma, does this person have charisma? Number three, media savvy, do they know how to handle the camera, all this stuff like Stephen A? Number four, fearlessness, do they know how to absorb controversy and readiness to challenge power? Number five, authentic, is this person authentic?

• 2:14:09Speaker 00

  Number six, independence, willingness, and ability to defy institutions, and last but not least, free publicity. Can they just get free publicity and the market talks about them? Based on this, we took a list of names, we put it into AI, we scored it, and we got a top 50. So I'm gonna name them from 50 to number one, and when you see some of these names, at the end, I'll come to you guys, I wanna hear from all of you. Roger, I'm gonna come to you first. Who is a hell no? Who are you shocked? Who else you'd wanna nominate? But let's go through it. So number 50, the scores that we got up there, Bob Iger ranked as number 50, and Bob's leak was fearlessness. He's trying to, you know, kind of vanilla walks, you know, worried about what people gonna think.

• 2:14:50Speaker 00

  Mr. Beast was 49, Jamie Dimon 48, Dwayne Johnson 47, Palmer Lucky. Palmer Lucky was the founder of Oculus, and also Andrew, who's developing all these drones. He scored higher than Dwayne Johnson. When we looked at the AI, we said, "Why is that?" Dwayne Johnson scored very low on fearlessness, 5.6 cuz he doesn't wanna offend people, and Palmer Lucky scored low on, people don't know who he is. How many guys have never heard of Palmer Lucky before? Raise your hand if you've never heard of him. Most people don't know who he is. He's working on that. 45, the good-looking Tom Brady is on that list. 44, Scott Galloway. 43, Spencer Pratt, he showed he can debate and campaign in LA. 42 is Jaco Willink. 41 is Eva Longoria.

• 2:15:35Speaker 00

  Number 40 is John Morgan, the guy from Morgan and Morgan Lawyer Billionaire. He likes media, he knows how to get free publicity. Then we have Anthony Scaramucci, an old friend of yours, Adam Carolla, Ben Shapiro, Charlamagne the God at 36th spot. 35th, we had Sean Ryan, the podcaster, Pat McAfee, anybody knows Pat McAfee? He was 34. Kim Kardashian, the great Kim Kardashian, 33. Matthew McConaughey, 32. Alex Cooper, a podcast you probably don't listen to, but Alex Cooper, Call Her Daddy, 31st. Rachel Maddow, sweetheart, 30th. Hassan Piker came up as 29th. Hassan Piker scored 29. Whether you like it or not, this is not about who you like and who you don't like, it's

• 2:16:20Speaker 00

  scoring, stay with us. 28 was Glenn Beck, we just had Glenn Beck on here a minute ago. George Clooney, 27th. Jimmy Kimmel, 26th. Robert De Niro, 25th. Colbert, 24. Aaron Rodgers, 23, high score on fearlessness, 9.8. Taylor Swift, 22nd. Dana White, 21st. Now we're in the top 20, okay? You guys get, can you scream out who you think's gonna be in the top 20 on three, if you have somebody in mind? 1, 2, 3, who do you think? All right, Mark Cuban's on that list. LeBron James, 20th. Stephen A. Smith, 19, I gotta send this to him. Oprah Winfrey, 18. Jake Paul and Logan Paul, neck and neck, look at that.

• 2:17:01Speaker 00

  They both scored 9.27, even though all the individual scores were different, they only got, they got a 9.27. Andrew Schultz scored 15th, surprisingly so. Candace Owens, number 14. Kid Rock, 13. Megyn Kelly, 12. Mark Cuban, 11. Now we're going into top 10. You ready for this, Callen? Who do you think's gonna be number one? You have a guess?

• 2:17:23Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't have a guess.

• 2:17:24Speaker 00

  You don't have a guess? Let me go through this. Number 10.

• 2:17:27Speaker 03

  I, I, I think I do, actually.

• 2:17:28Speaker 00

  Nicki Minaj is number 10.

• 2:17:30Speaker 03

  Joe Rogan's gotta be in there somewhere.

• 2:17:31Speaker 00

  Joe is in it. Nicki Minaj is number 10. Number nine, Deion Sanders, we were blown away that he scored so high. But remember, this is a family guy.

• 2:17:40Speaker 03

  Colorado's doing that well.

• 2:17:41Speaker 00

  He talks about his kids, yes. Number eight, Cardi B was number eight. If you got Nicki Minaj, you got Cardi B. Number seven, Bill Maher is number seven. And by the way, he's interesting lately, right? Number six, Elon Musk, although he can't run for president. Number five, Dave Portnoy, he's out there. Number four, Jon Stewart. Number three, Tucker Carlson, which leaves what? Number two, Joe Rogan, and you know who number one is? You will not be able to guess. Not at all, you ready? We didn't even put me on that list. Number one, Charles Barkley came up as number one for the list.

• 2:18:19Speaker 03

  Charles Barkley?

• 2:18:20Speaker 00

  Charles Barkley.

• 2:18:21Speaker 03

  I'll tell you something.

• 2:18:22Speaker 00

  Came up number one on this list, and by the way, if you're watching this, is draft, by the way, is the word draft? If you're watching this, you wanna get the PDF, text the word draft to 3103401132, we're gonna send this to you again. Text the word draft, D-R-A-F-T, 3103401132, we're gonna send this over to you. So what do you think about the list?

• 2:18:44Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, the criteria we're using, which is likability.

• 2:18:48Speaker 00

  Be careful with the criteria, he came up with it.

• 2:18:49Speaker 03

  Well, I understand, but I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm saying, I'm saying that it's, this is different, I think, in my lifetime. Thank you, social media. We're not really looking at people who have necessarily, with all due respect to all of them, a formidable intellect, or a track record of solving problems, or an articulated philosophy. We're looking at sharp profiles, charisma, likability. That's not what you need to run a country. That's what you need to win an election. There's a big difference between the kind of personality that wins an election versus running a country. I said it out loud, go ahead, Roger, take me to town, take me to school.

• 2:19:30Speaker 00

  Roger, can you put the mic a little closer, please? Go for it.

• 2:19:32Tom Ellsworth?

  He's absolutely right. What a candidate must have is vision, vision for the country, a driving vision. Yes, name ID's important, yes, fundraising capability's important, yes, charisma is important, yes, a following is important, but that's really a measure largely of name ID. If you don't have a larger vision to beat back globalism, to preserve the American Constitution, the free enterprise system, capitalism, if you don't have that vision, then you're not right to lead the country.

• 2:20:00Speaker 00

  Roger, let me ask you this, of all the seven things that you talk about, name recognition, charisma, media savvy, fearlessness, authenticity, independence, free publicity, what's the most important amongst these seven?

• 2:20:10Tom Ellsworth?

  The universal, universal name ID is extraordinarily hard to get. Remember, Donald Trump kinda had The Apprentice all to himself. So through The Apprentice, he becomes ubiquitous. Every American knows the most prominent capitalist businessman outsider in the country. That's why his candidacy is unique. He doesn't have to start by telling people who he is, they already know who he is, he just has to start talking about the problems of immigration, or, or the deintegration of our military, or the getting screwed by our NATO allies. These are issues that he's talking about, you know, beginning in 1988.

• 2:20:44Speaker 00

  Did you see anybody on this?

• 2:20:45Tom Ellsworth?

  The guy's got the standing already.

• 2:20:46Speaker 00

  Did you see anybody on this list that you said, "Yeah, I can see those guys running"?

• 2:20:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Spencer Pratt's the only one there has anything close to vision. The rest of them are largely entertainers or great athletes. Now, I do think it's transferable, Reagan proved that, but Reagan had vision in spades. He had his background.

• 2:21:03Speaker 00

  Interesting, so you need a vision, without it, forget about it.

• 2:21:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Nixon wrote very extensive about this key element of, in a presidential candidate. I read the.

• 2:21:12Speaker 00

  Michael, what would you say?

• 2:21:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, can you get into that place without having a vision? Because you have those other characteristics, that's the thing. You know, that would worry me.

• 2:21:21Speaker 00

  Well, for me, it's kinda like a draft pick, like, hey, you're seven feet tall, I'm looking for a center, whether you love the basketball game or not, your name is Andrew Bynum, you're seven feet tall. I gotta teach you a couple things, and I gotta seven feet tall. So if I have these scores, can somebody go in there and say, "Hey, have you ever thought about running for president? What if you go out there and become the president, and you use that talent to put him up there?" Is that something you could do?

• 2:21:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Again, I think the person has to have the instinct to begin with. Reagan had an instinct. Reagan was an instinctive conservative. He had charisma, he had standing as a movie star, he'd been a union leader, and so on. I think it's, it is.

• 2:21:55Speaker 03

  He had values too, though, didn't he, Roger? He was very good at articulating what he stood for in that old-fashioned sense, didn't he?

• 2:22:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 2:22:02Speaker 00

  He also had a, he also had a radio show. He was in media with politics forever. You know, I mean, the governor of California in 1946, when he fought the communists, something we should talk about today.

• 2:22:14Tom Ellsworth?

  It is interesting.

• 2:22:14Speaker 00

  In our government, and in what's going on with our politicians, there's no one with the vision of saying, "We've got communism in the country, we've gotta worry about that."

• 2:22:24Speaker 03

  I've asked a couple of the youth today backstage, I won't mention who. Do you know who David Horowitz is? Have you ever read Unholy Alliance, Radical Islam and the American Left? No. Did you know who Bill Ayers and the Winter Underground was? When they said, "Well, I want to take the white liberal and the black liberation movement and create a fighting force to bring down American imperialism and institute world communism." It's the green thing now today. But this was back then, in the 60s. Without someone that has a certain kind of prescient understanding of the past, we're dead. We're dead because the youth isn't learning about it. The educators aren't, and the politicians don't understand culture. The politicians don't know how to communicate to the American people.

• 2:23:08Speaker 03

  Most of the Democrats, because they embrace culture, go to Hollywood, and they understand how to say, like what Teller Rico said yesterday, "The common man." We need to find the common man, and we need to find affordability. Meanwhile, the GOP has better ideas, but they talk this way. They're not reaching. And the youth hears that, and they're not responding. None of those people up there have that ability that you mentioned.

• 2:23:34Speaker 00

  Okay, so here's a question for you. Here's a question for you. I remember one time a guy in Granada Hills told me, "I gotta introduce you to this pastor. He knows everything about the scripture, and anything you say, he can recite it to you without even looking at the Bible." So I go and meet this guy. I sit down. He says, "Ask him any scripture, Deuteronomy this, whatever you want." I ask him. He knows it. You have Revelations, he knows it. Corinthians, he knows it. Then he says, "You gotta come to the church on Sunday." I said, "How long has this church been here?" "It's been here for 20 years. I've been the senior pastor here for 20 years." I'm thinking I'm going to a church with 20,000 members. I go to church on Sunday, 70 people showed up. And he gets up on stage. So you know what it was? He may have known all this stuff, but he doesn't know how to resonate and move people. So the challenge then becomes the following.

• 2:24:18Speaker 00

  I'm in the business right now of getting certain people to say, "Hey, America matters. You have the platform. Let's go. You gotta run." So I'm trying to find out the sequencing here. Do a group of people go and sit there and say, "You have a platform. You have the capability. You're getting the eyeballs. You have the money. You have the way of fighting people. I think you need to get in the arena." No, I don't want to do that. The other day, I'm at a wedding. I'm running around trying to find this guy named Trey Gowdy. Anybody knows who Trey Gowdy is? I don't know if you know who Trey Gowdy is. You obviously know who Trey Gowdy is. I love Trey Gowdy. I'm like, "Why are you not in the arena? Why are you not fighting? There are certain people that I think have the dog, but they're so afraid. It's almost like the people that are running." Do you know Tom just texted me right now what he's telling me? He says, "Teller Rico is now up 829,000 votes.

• 2:25:03Speaker 00

  40% has counted for. Paxton has to win the rest, 57% for Texas to lose a senator to the Democratic side." Why? Is Paxton a marketable candidate? He may know a lot about AG and all the other stuff, but you need marketable candidates. So what do we do to go draft some of these guys?

• 2:25:20Speaker 03

  Debate. Teller Rico said something, "God is not binary," or "God is binary," or whatever he said. Non-binary. And the problem with that is the GOP didn't say, "Excuse me. The Bible says Adam and Eve. God may love all people, but God is not non-binary," or whatever it might be. You have to see, if the Bible was non-binary, then why were there not Adam and Eve and Joseph and Idiot and the Baboo and the Ba, and Mary and Turned into the Dead? But it's not. But they don't know how to then combat that because it resonates to certain people. Not to denigrate anyone's sexuality or anyone's proclivity, but the idea of not understanding how to combat the attack of the Left and use culture and use linguistics.

• 2:26:04Speaker 00

  You're not answering my question, though.

• 2:26:06Speaker 03

  You gotta, you gotta put yourself in the arena.

• 2:26:08Speaker 00

  You're not answering my question.

• 2:26:09Speaker 03

  Your question was, "How do you get..."

• 2:26:09Speaker 00

  I'm not asking about Adam and Steve. I mean, I leave those guys alone. Like, Teller Rico believes all the Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve. What I'm asking is, I'm in the pipeline business. And what do I mean by the pipeline business? Look at who we've had today. We've had a lot of different minds. We had a great moment of debate between Ben and Eduardo and yourself. This is good. We are able to make up our minds because you're making the show. You make the show, right? Because we have a pipeline of guests, where we get different perspectives to hear. Where is the pipeline of people to get inspired to run, who have the platform? Him and I spoke, and I said, "Man, this guy's gotta run for prime minister." He was a star last time we did. Who remembers election night with Dominic Targinsky? When him and Jen spoke, and he went viral. He was all over the place. There's opportunities for us to say, "Hey, I think you gotta nudge and run.

• 2:26:54Speaker 00

  James, I'm gonna come to you first, and then Dominic, I'll come to you." What do you think about this conversation of getting some of these guys to run?

• 2:26:59Speaker 03

  I think the problem is leadership is a liability. And they're gonna put you in jail if you effectively do the thing you're gonna do. Look, I mean, how many times has Trump been sued? Hundreds? And it's all about... I faced 5% of that, but if you... At this point in time, this country is so utterly divided. I don't know how you unite people around a single vision. And 30 years ago, I saw the old clip of the Rage and Cajun, which is named Carville. Yeah. I distributed. And he said, when he ran against George H.W. Bush, he said a comment like, "Well, we didn't think he was evil. We disagreed with him. Now it seems irreconcilable." So for me, like, I looked at that list. I happened to think, "Well, Tom Brady's an interesting choice. He's charismatic. He's a champion." He's a Christian? Christian.

• 2:27:43Speaker 03

  Good name recognition. But if I'm Tom Brady, do I really want to run for president and then face 200 lawsuits?

• 2:27:49Speaker 00

  But that's the problem, though. No, but that's the... And you and I talked about this one time. You called me about 5, 6... You know which call I'm talking about?

• 2:27:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:56Speaker 00

  I'm not gonna reveal what the conversation was about. And I said, "No, James. You're a fighter. God's using you. You gotta be in there." Sometimes we get called upon to do something that, you know, maybe is not the most exciting thing to do. Maybe you got a pretty good life, and you don't really want to do it. I mean, Trump, before he ran, he had a phenomenal life. Who loved him? He was hip-hop rappers, Tupac, Home Alone, everything. But he chose to do it because maybe he saw an enemy. I think a part of that messaging for us to give, we're scaring the person like Tom Brady away, instead of saying, "I'm sorry. Where did you make your money? In what country? Was it in Malaysia? Was it in Russia? If I... Was it in... No, it was in America."

• 2:28:37Speaker 00

  And I think eventually, when I read the book of the Bush family and the Kennedy family, one of the things I liked that they had in their family at the end was later, after you make your money, you have three ways to give back to your country. Either go give to clergy, either go give to the government, or go give to a nonprofit. But one of those three ways you gotta give. And I think we need to challenge them a little bit to say, "Hey, why not you? Why not you? You have the control. Go do s..." I called one of my pastors the other day, and I went and met with them. And we had this meeting, and he says, "What's this meeting about?" I said, "You know why I'm here?" He says, "No." I said, "I think you need to run for the governor of California." He says, "What?" I said, "You need to run for the governor of California." I'm a pastor. We need more pastors running. You know how to get... You speak every week.

• 2:29:20Speaker 00

  Every week, you're debating other people on different religions. You have the ability to debate. Let's go. So a part of the fear, like, today, we're talking to a group of ours that are like, "Oh, my God. Tonight election night's not gonna be as good as 2024. So how are you gonna handle it to keep the audience entertained and all this other?" And I said, "How do you think the opponent kills you? They steal one thing away from you. It's hope. The moment you lose hope, you're done." And that's how the enemy wins half the time. I want the opposite. I want to say, "You think you want to dominate it. Let's start thinking long-term with a big pipeline of people that should run." That's all I'm saying. And I'm using his playbook on what he's talking about. So my encouragement is more, as we're going through this shit show on what they did to Trump, you know what they're trying to tell you?

• 2:30:05Speaker 00

  "Hey, James, if you run, we're gonna do to you as we did with Trump." That's how they're winning. And that's why one of the most important things on this list, you know what it is? Number four. Fearlessness, baby. Fear... This country is worth the fearlessness. That's all I'm saying.

• 2:30:21Speaker 03

  But that's the hardest thing to find, I believe. I have one quick Trump anecdote. I know you'll appreciate this. 2024 May, Trump's in Manhattan, dealing with all this. And I did a story in the CIA. I recorded a guy in the CIA saying they were withholding information from Trump. And Trump invites me up to his house in Trump Tower. And he's watching the video. He gives a reaction. And I asked him a question. I said, "How do you deal with this? I've been sued. I've been incarcerated. I know it's difficult." And he's signing a hat for my dad. And Trump says, "I just don't care. I just don't care." And he meant it. And how many...

• 2:30:55Tom Ellsworth?

  People can actually say that and mean it.

• 2:30:58Speaker 03

  He's a fighter.

• 2:30:58Tom Ellsworth?

  He's a fighter.

• 2:30:59Speaker 03

  An American respect a fighter. If you want to raise your profile, you put your ideas out there in the marketplace and you say, and fight, I'd say to every Republican, you gotta go out there, there's one thing about this guy right here, Dominic, like, you know, if you're a Republican and you want to up your profile, you want to disappear, don't debate your opponent. You should be constantly calling, say, hey, you and I, right here, City Hall, name it, anywhere, and I will take my ideas that made this country great, and I will pit them against your new ideas as you're trying to reinvent the wheel. And that's how you do it. That's how you raise your.

• 2:31:32Speaker 00

  I agree. And again, a part of what makes Dominic attractive, and I'll come to you last, I want you to give your thoughts because we got Pierce Morgan here waiting for us to come to him next. Pierce, we're gonna come to you in a minute.

• 2:31:42Speaker 03

  Hello, Pierce from Dominic.

• 2:31:44Speaker 00

  Oh, Dominic, your thoughts on what we're talking about here?

• 2:31:47Speaker 03

  Okay, from my perspective, as a politician, I'm 20 years in politics. First of all, is motivation. Why do you want to do politics? Because of revenge? Because of ego? Because of good money? Or maybe because you want a legacy when you're gone? So I think that the most important is to answer the question, what is your motivation? What is the motivation? What would be the motivation for these people? Right? I don't know, well-known sport people or, I don't know, celebrities. What would be the motivation? Right? My motivation is the history of my family.

• 2:32:30Speaker 03

  Communists spit on my mom. My grandfather fought against them. My father was the founder of the solidarity movement against communists, and I hate them. I can say that. I hate jihadists. That's what I do, and that's why I do what I do. We heard that we should be focused on very positive message. Of course, my message is positive. I do not want jihadists because I love my family. I don't want to kill them. I don't want them to come. But that's the reality. So very important, fearless, yeah. You have to be, but when you can be fearless as a politician? When you are not owned by anyone. I'm not owned.

• 2:33:14Speaker 03

  Nobody ever gave me even a penny. I didn't take money from anyone. I don't give a single anything, right? I don't care.

• 2:33:21Speaker 00

  Dominic, hold that thought. I'm gonna go to him because I'm gonna come to you. I have to go due to time. Do we have Pierce on there? Pierce, are you with us? That machine that he has taken on, it is literally everyone in the entire political establishment.

• 2:33:32Speaker 03

  Okay, we've got Patrick, I think now. Patrick, can you hear me?

• 2:33:34Speaker 00

  Yes, how are you? How you doing?

• 2:33:37Speaker 03

  Great to see you, my friend. What is your reading of where we are? I mean, it looks like, on the face of it, it's a blue wave, possibly tsunami. What's your take?

• 2:33:46Speaker 00

  I think that's probably a good word to use. I'm looking at Talarico now, it's got a 1.13 million lead in votes over Paxton. Why do you think that's the case? Why do you think this is taking place right now?

• 2:34:00Speaker 03

  Well, because Paxton is a diabolical candidate, for one. And because, it's interesting, you know, I was gonna say to you that the exit polls that AP have been conducting with people, six out of 10, the US made the wrong decision attacking Iran. 90% say government corruption, major factor in their vote. Six out of 10 disapprove of Trump's use of ICE. Six out of 10 say higher prices are because of Trump's policies, and the economy is the biggest issue on the exit polls. Most people think Trump has handled it badly. You know, I think you can look at all this and think, Trump started so well in his second term, and it's very quickly gone, as we would say in the UK, tits up.

• 2:34:44Speaker 00

  Tits up, as you call it. So, but by the way, what?

• 2:34:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:48Speaker 00

  Okay, that's a, we use different words, but it is good that, I don't think you're in UK though. You know you're in a city that believes in America, we believe in Second Amendment. Are you in DC right now? That's a beautiful backdrop where you are.

• 2:35:02Speaker 03

  I'm in DC. Yeah.

• 2:35:03Speaker 00

  You're in DC.

• 2:35:04Speaker 03

  That's the capital behind me.

• 2:35:05Speaker 00

  Yes, capital of a beautiful country, which, by the way, you swap, you come here and you go back to UK. Tell me about what you think about what's going on with Michigan with Abdul. I don't know if you've had a conversation with him, I know you talk to everybody. What do you think about what he's doing against his competitor?

• 2:35:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, no, I've not talked to him. I think, I was saying earlier on the show, that my view of the Al-Sayed thing is multifaceted. One, Paxton's a terrible candidate to put up against him. Clearly, Al-Sayed is very, is dynamic, he's eloquent, he's a great talker, sorry?

• 2:35:37Speaker 00

  He said Paxton, Mike Rogers.

• 2:35:39Speaker 03

  Sorry, Mike Rogers, I mean, Mike Rogers, sorry, Rogers is, to me, the wrong guy to put up against someone like Al-Sayed. You've got a young, dynamic, progressive left guy who's making Rogers look like an old fuddy-duddy. And I think the Haley-Stevens thing massively played well for Al-Sayed, and was a pathetic piece of personal politicking of the worst kind. But I also think that he's been over-demonized. I'm interested in your view of this, Patrick, because I think that Al-Sayed, if you constantly call this guy a jihadist terrorist, when he's not, it's a bit like constantly calling Trump a Nazi, when he's not. It just helps Trump when you do that, and it's helped Al-Sayed to, in my view, over-demonize him.

• 2:36:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think the only difference is Trump's sister never supported the Nazi 12 years ago on a tweet. I think that's the biggest difference. And Al-Sayed's sister 12 years ago tweeted, supporting MB Muslim Brotherhood. And quite frankly, I know it's a different case in UK than it is in US, but a lot of people in America are slightly uncomfortable with the possibilities of what could happen when your sister and family supports Muslim Brotherhood. That's the concern. What do you say to that?

• 2:36:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I remember, yeah, well, I remember being, I just joined CNN when the Arab Spring happened, it was one of the first things I had to cover as an anchor, replacing Larry King. And I remember a lot of people talking in that kind of way about the Muslim Brotherhood at the time. So, you know, it looks different today, but if you go back to when the Arab Spring happened, that was not an unusual sentiment. In fact, Mike Rogers, I think they revealed he'd been saying similar things at the time about the Muslim Brotherhood. So, again, I come back to you, now, do you genuinely believe, Patrick, that Abdullah Al-Sayed is a jihadist terrorist?

• 2:37:24Speaker 00

  I honestly don't know, because every time he's been asked, he gets very uncomfortable with it. He's not somebody that gets comfortable with that statement, but I'll come to you with a different question, Pierce. You live in UK, right? You know Rupert Lowe, that had a report saying 250,000 girls were raped, I think 87% of them were Pakistanis. Are you at all concerned when we hear about the stories of the invasion with all these immigrants coming in? Because you had Dominic Carginsky on, I think, a week ago or two weeks ago on your podcast, I thought it was a great show. And this is one thing that I love, a lot of people criticize you and they take a lot of shots. I think you're doing a phenomenal job, and I think we need more format because your skin is thick, you're willing to have the conversation with anybody.

• 2:38:05Speaker 00

  But why do you think it is that Poland's unemployment, rape, and crime is the lowest amongst EU, and they don't take any immigrants coming from places like Pakistan? Why do you think that is?

• 2:38:15Speaker 03

  Well, in answer to your various points there, I mean, the grooming gang scandal in the UK was a total disgrace. The perpetrators were predominantly, in the particular scandal where there was a shameful cover-up, were predominantly British-Pakistani men, that is indisputable, it's a fact. Many young white girls were appallingly raped and abused and mistreated, and there was a systematic cover-up, driven by a fear of being branded racist, which was a stain on my country and should never have happened. I would add to that, that a successive government since the start of the century, led by Tony Blair actually opening the floodgates to Eastern Europe, that there's been a complete

• 2:38:57Speaker 03

  failure to control immigration in the UK this century. And as a consequence, the population has shot through the roof, and we have the added thing, not just of the boats coming over from France, where, you know, tens of thousands of illegal immigrants come in and get on the shore, and then we put them in these often three, four-star hotels, which drives locals around them completely crackers, understandably. But it also, the rising population, with so many immigrants coming in.

• 2:39:26Speaker 00

  Legal and illegal, but the main problem has been legal actually with for a long time, families being able to come in mob handed, like five, six, seven members of a family coming in with one person who got a visa. And the problem with that is it has put enormous strain on public services which were already under enormous strain. And an example I give you, like the National Health Service, when it was first started in the UK with free healthcare for all, it was an amazing thing, started in the 50s, but it was designed for a population of the UK of 50 million people. The population of the UK is now nearly 70 million people. So in the space of what, 70, 80 years, you've got a 40% rise in the population, but you have the same kind of infrastructure around the health service.

• 2:40:11Speaker 00

  If you extrapolate that to all the other public services, this massive rise in our population has been unsustainable. And successive governments, conservative and left wing, have completely failed to deal with this. And it is being a rising big issue. By the way, I gotta tell you. These things are all inarguable. Pierce, I respect the fact that you said that just right now. So the bigger fear in America is they watch, when I talk to a lot of people, we have a lot of different people from different walks of life here. When we talk to people here and they watch what's going on in Germany, or France, or UK, they simply don't want to see that happening in America. That's it. And by the way, Michigan- Yeah, but Patrick, I see, yeah, but I see, I see a lot of Americans, for some

• 2:40:56Speaker 00

  reason, I think it's driven by people like Rupert Lowe, by Tommy Robinson, who's not even Tommy Robinson, by the way, his name's Stephen Yaxley. And these guys have been whipping up, in my opinion, I live a lot of the time in the UK, I'm born and raised there, I have a place in London, I travel around the UK a lot, I was in the Midlands, in Birmingham recently, and so on. And I do not recognize in any way this suggestion that we've been invaded by Muslims. It's just not true. The Muslim population in the UK is still 5, 6% of the country. There's no invasion, there's no invasion. I live in a very multicultural city, London, and it's just not true.

• 2:41:38Tom Ellsworth?

  65,000 people are charged and prosecuted for criticizing radical Muslim or other politically incorrect statements on the internet. There's oppression going on in the UK.

• 2:41:50Speaker 00

  Pierce, that's Roger Stone talking about how many people can't criticize. Yeah, the numbers aren't as big as that, but there's been a ridiculous number of people who've been arrested for comments on social media. I think that flies in the face of Britain's adherence to free speech, and it shouldn't be happening. But there's also been a significant fall in violent crime in the UK, which is never mentioned in the United States, but is an incontrovertible fact. Violent crime has been steadily falling in recent years. So this idea there's a Muslim invasion which has led to a massive increase in violent crime is simply not true. And, you know, we have, I think, a population, Muslim population, 5 to 6%, America has, what, 5, 6 million Muslims, I think.

• 2:42:35Speaker 00

  And the vast majority assimilate well in both countries and don't cause any trouble. So I just said, we've got to keep these things in some kind of proper perspective. I don't know why it is, but a lot of Americans, fueled, I think, by the likes of Tommy Robinson and others, have this impression we've been invaded and the whole country is out of control. Honestly, I live there. It's not true.

• 2:42:58Speaker 03

  Pierce, it's 100% true. You're blind or you want to be blind, that's number one. And the answer is, my question, why we have, why we do not have these problems in Poland? Why? Why, Pierce? Why we do not have these problems? Why? We don't, we don't even discuss it. Over 7 million, over 7 million Ukrainians crossed Polish border when the war started, over 2 million stayed in Poland. There's no problem. There's no problem at all. That's why I said Islam is not compatible with the Western values as, as, as-

• 2:43:30Speaker 00

  Yes, but I would say to you, look, look, I had you on my show because I respect the fact that you have a big following in Poland.

• 2:43:37Speaker 03

  Thank you, thank you very much.

• 2:43:38Speaker 00

  I enjoyed, I enjoyed our debate. The moment you lost me was when you said you would ban all Muslims-

• 2:43:43Speaker 03

  Of course I would.

• 2:43:44Speaker 00

  -from your country.

• 2:43:45Speaker 03

  Of course I would.

• 2:43:46Speaker 00

  And you thought Britain should ban all Muslims.

• 2:43:48Speaker 03

  Of course I would, just like Christian churches are banned in Saudi Arabia or Qatar. It's, that's the same thing. I think we are equal.

• 2:43:55Speaker 00

  But just, right, but just to remind you, that, you know, there are 2 billion Muslims on the planet.

• 2:44:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's why let them stay. Let them go to Qatar, it's Saudis. They can go-

• 2:44:06Speaker 00

  But why would you be so, but why would you be so bigoted against 2 billion people?

• 2:44:10Speaker 03

  I told you, because it's better to be a bigot but alive than a sold out to a Qataris. I told you. I answered. I want to be a live bigot. Let me be a live bigot. Let me be a Christian. Let me eat my pork. I want to live as I want. I do not want Sharia law. And this is what is happening.

• 2:44:26Speaker 00

  Who's stopping you? Sorry, who is stopping you eating your pork?

• 2:44:29Speaker 03

  I give you, I give you a story that I gave this story to Patrick recently. I tell you who, schools in Brussels. You see, on what, where are you now? Are you on Earth? There's this a very well-known case where a little girl was, her mom was asked to come to school because her sandwich with the pork was offensive to other students. If you do not know these cases, we shouldn't even discuss this subject. That's a very well-known case.

• 2:44:57Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 2:44:58Speaker 03

  There is no, there is no, there is no Christmas trees. There is no Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Do not be offensive. I want Christmas. I want Christ. This is Christian content.

• 2:45:09Speaker 00

  Why don't you come to London during Christmas, right? In Christmas week, you'll see lots of Christmas trees-

• 2:45:16Speaker 03

  And happy holidays.

• 2:45:17Speaker 00

  And you will eat, you will eat lots of pork. There's no problem. You're allowed to eat pork in the UK. You're allowed to celebrate Christmas. Trust me, I will be doing both. I love pork and I love Christmas.

• 2:45:28Speaker 03

  Thank you very much, but I don't have security in limo, just like you. I don't, I don't live in this beautiful, beautiful part of London.

• 2:45:36Speaker 00

  I don't have security or limos. I don't have either.

• 2:45:37Speaker 03

  The reality is, Pierce, listen, reality is, zero illegal migration means zero problems. Like in Poland. Be like Poland, Pierce. Come on. Be like Poland.

• 2:45:47Speaker 00

  I was there recently. But I've already said it. I was in London filming, Pierce. I was in London filming a couple of months ago. And I was walking around and I was told by the police, that's under Sharia jurisdiction, don't go in there. That, to me, what is that in London? And I've been in London since the 80s. Hang on, hang on, look. Sharia jurisdiction. There are no legally standing Sharia courts in the United Kingdom.

• 2:46:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, they are illegal, you're right, but they are there. That's the, that's the problem. That is the problem.

• 2:46:20Speaker 00

  Well, but none of them have legal standing in the UK over, over British law. And they're not going to.

• 2:46:27Speaker 03

  But we do not have this problem in Poland because there's zero jihadists in Poland.

• 2:46:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Just like the-

• 2:46:32Speaker 03

  If they're not here, there's no problem. We don't have to discuss it. Do not come.

• 2:46:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Or Romania or Hungary.

• 2:46:37Speaker 00

  I like Poland.

• 2:46:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Coincidental.

• 2:46:39Speaker 03

  I love Poland. That's why I do what I do.

• 2:46:42Speaker 00

  I've been to Poland a few times. I actually-

• 2:46:44Speaker 03

  You're very welcome to come and see the difference, Pierce. I'll buy you a nice pork sandwich. We can go out-

• 2:46:50Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 2:46:50Speaker 03

  -at 2 o'clock in the morning to centre in Warsaw. You're welcome. I'll pay for your flight. I'm not that rich as you, but I'll get you a flight. I'll get you a hotel. We're gonna go out, we're gonna have a sandwich with ham at 2 o'clock in the morning on Saturday night. You will see the difference between London and Warsaw.

• 2:47:05Speaker 00

  Funny enough, last time I was there, though, I remember going to a football match in Poland, and I don't think I've ever feared for my life more than I did on that. So the, the idea that you lot are somehow blameless from being violent at all is for the birds. You're a very tough country with a lot of tough people, as is my country. But, you know, I just, Poland is not perfect and the UK is not perfect. I'm prepared to accept our flaws. What I'm not prepared to accept is that my country's been overrun by Muslim invasion because it's a load of bullshit.

• 2:47:36Speaker 03

  Okay, so what about, what about new mayor of Birmingham? Can he speak English? Can he?

• 2:47:41Speaker 00

  The mayor of Birmingham?

• 2:47:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:47:43Speaker 00

  Can he speak English? Yeah, I assume he can. I haven't met him, but I assume he can.

• 2:47:47Speaker 03

  I've got some doubts. That's number one. What about Slav? What about, what about-

• 2:47:51Speaker 00

  I mean, that's just one of the most bigoted things I've ever heard.

• 2:47:54Speaker 03

  The reality in Great Britain is, you cannot win any local elections without official support from Muslim community. Is that true, Pierce?

• 2:48:04Speaker 00

  Absolute nonsense.

• 2:48:05Speaker 03

  Okay, then we are on a different planet. I lived in London for 50s, you know that.

• 2:48:10Speaker 00

  We are on a different planet.

• 2:48:11Speaker 03

  I can, I can see the difference. My family is there now. I know what is the difference. And the fact that I was banned travelling on my diplomatic passport is the fundamental proof that there is no freedom because your country is run-

• 2:48:27Speaker 00

  Well, I wouldn't ban you.

• 2:48:28Speaker 03

  Sorry?

• 2:48:29Speaker 00

  Just to be clear, I wouldn't ban you if I was running the country, but I'm not.

• 2:48:33Speaker 03

  So you keep, you keep telling us, yes, we've got a problem with this, it shouldn't happen, I wouldn't do it, and then you say, oh, it's great, it's okay. You see, every single argument is-

• 2:48:42Speaker 00

  I'm making the point, I'm making the point, I'm making the point, I had you on my show because I believe fundamentally in free speech and hearing different opinions.

• 2:48:49Speaker 03

  I did say thank you very much. But the problem is-

• 2:48:53Speaker 00

  And I gave you the platform.

• 2:48:53Speaker 03

  But we are talking about country, not about you. The country-

• 2:48:56Speaker 00

  Sure, but I'm not the Prime Minister.

• 2:48:57Speaker 03

  The fundamental, fundamental right is a freedom of speech. And communists, the first thing they do in Poland, they took away our freedom of speech. This is what is happening now.

• 2:49:07Speaker 00

  That's a, that's a, that's a real fear that Pierce, a lot of people here have. But Pierce, as usual, appreciate you for making the time to come on. I'll give you the final word if you want to say anything, and then we'll go from there. All I want to say is, I enjoyed my debate with your Polish guest the other day on my show. He's always welcome. I love hearing different views. I just will always defend what's going on in Britain because I do not recognize the way it's being portrayed by some on the conservative right in America. And I think they're being deliberately ill-informed by people like Tommy Robinson. And it's time it stopped. Because there are reasonable arguments to be had about things like immigration, which I would completely agree about. I've just been told, by the way, in my ear, the mayor of Birmingham does speak English.

• 2:49:51Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you. That's a good, that's a good-

• 2:49:53Speaker 00

  I'd have a chat in English.

• 2:49:54Speaker 03

  That's a good information because, because we wouldn't even ask this kind of question about Polish mayors.

• 2:50:00Speaker 00

  Well, the other thing I say, Patrick, Patrick, all I say is, I think that tonight is a really big night for people like you and I. I think this whole content creator world that we now occupy is where people now go on these big election nights. We saw it with the 2024 election. We're seeing it again tonight. It's great to be with you guys, great for you- be on my show. I think this is where young people in particular now want to get their information, their analysis, their debate. You're a broad church, the PBD podcast. It's why I love you guys. I love going on it. We've had great debates. Long may that continue. We are the defenders of free speech and I will always be grateful to you. Pierce, I gotta tell you. I think you enjoy coming on here. Anytime people criticize you for what you do, I always say, I love the fact that

• 2:50:44Speaker 00

  he's doing it because it's getting people to talk to each other. So I want to encourage you for doing great work that you're doing, Pierce. Thank you so much for making the time. Appreciate you. We'll talk soon. Thanks, buddy. Thank you. All right. So Tom, can you give us an update? Because in a minute, I'm going to be bringing in Bill O'Reilly and Cenk Uygur that will be joining us from The Young Turks. So Tom, what is the latest? I'm seeing these numbers. Is this really happening right now, Tom?

• 2:51:06Speaker 04

  Yes, right now in Texas, there's a defining moment. Two races are going to be called. This, I think, is like one of the headlines of the election. Talarico will win the Senate of Texas. He's up 1.1 million, 1.2 million, 60% of the vote in. It's insurmountable with all mathematics and the other outlying areas, number one. And number two, Texas governor, hang on to your seats. Greg Abbott is down 872,000 votes to Gina Hinohosa, and it appears that the bluing of Texas is taking place. The Democratic conquer of Texas is taking

• 2:51:47Speaker 04

  place. That is going to be a major headline tomorrow, and this is major celebration going on in Democrat strategists all across the US right now. Now, I'm going to take you to Michigan, which was thought to be tight. And I'm going to show you what's happening with Michigan Senate right now. There's only about 15% of it has come in, but you can see Abdul Sayed has a 51,000 vote lead. However, right here in Wayne County, excuse me, Wayne County, Detroit, only 2% is reported. When that comes in, that lead only grows. We're not calling it, but it is farther apart than was forecast.

• 2:52:24Speaker 00

  So you're talking about Abdul Sayed?

• 2:52:27Speaker 04

  Abdul Sayed.

• 2:52:28Speaker 00

  Okay, so what I want to do is, before we go to our next two guests, can we have a friend of ours? Can we have Haaz? If you're in the room, work your way up here. Haaz is a very interesting angle. And Michael, if you don't mind, having Haaz come in for a minute, everybody will stick around. Haaz is a Muslim businessman. He's in the insurance business, runs a multimillionaire insurance business for himself. I've known him for many, many years. And classy guy. We were just having dinner the other day, lunch the other day at a friend of our house, a friend of ours' house. It was Maral and Tikrin. And I said, so Haaz, you're from Michigan, you're Muslim, you're proud Muslim, you're the one that gave me the Quran. It was your mom's Quran that I went and gifted to Andrew Tate

• 2:53:11Speaker 00

  when I was in, I think it was Romania, when we did that interview. And I gave him a Bible and a Quran, because that was the thing he was going through, purely out of respect. What do you think about Abdul Sayed? Do you support him? Do you like what he's doing? Do you like what he stands for as a person that's from Michigan? So maybe share your story and where you're at with it.

• 2:53:26Speaker 03

  Absolutely. So I'm very, very confusing, right? So meaning, I'm a Muslim, very proud. I'm a conservative, very proud conservative. I love America. Today, my son's singing the Pledge of Allegiance, right? And God bless USA. He's five years old. For me, I chose specifically that school that only does the Pledge of Allegiance. That's the second thing. I see so many right now, people on the conservative side, not knowing how to be able to debate these guys, not know. You lose me right away when you start talking about kids. You lose me right away when he's talking about trans. You lose me right away when he's talking about you hate America. You lose me right away when we talk about, oh, socialism. You lose me right away. We don't stand for that. Muslims don't stand for that. Unfortunately, what's happening is the Conservative Party is not attracting us. That's the problem. Because what I'd like to do is, for me, I like to go into

• 2:54:11Speaker 03

  the family and say, hey, guys, we're here. We need to debate within ourselves to have a better game plan, right? Because would you like the Muslims on your side or not? This language of not having them on your side is going to be a problem long term, because they're playing ball. Now, let's talk about Abdul Sayed.

• 2:54:22Speaker 00

  You're from Michigan.

• 2:54:25Speaker 03

  Yes, born and raised in Dearborn, Michigan, 29 years of my life, right? So Dominic, you know, when he says that I can't have pork, I mean, in Michigan, we have over 30, in Dearborn, we have 30 churches. Not in Belgium. 30 churches, 12 mosques, right? So there's more churches in Dearborn than there is mosques. Trust me, there's plenty of ham. Some of my best friends in the world, some of my greatest mentors, greatest teachers are Christian Catholic, amazing people. I didn't grow up with that kind of lifestyle. Maybe some have. That's why I do not want America to become another Europe, when children cannot eat their sandwiches. They absolutely can. In Dearborn, they can. That's what I'm saying. I do not want America to become another Belgium. I live

• 2:55:05Speaker 03

  in Belgium. The lady who approached me, approached me on, at the airport, she recognized me. She was Polish, and she says, please, stop this. She came home crying. I was called to the school, and principal said, she cannot do it because it's offensive. So this kind of things, it's about changing the nature of the society. This is why we did not let them into Poland. Do you think that Abdul Sayed won or lost? Do you think that Abdul Sayed won or Rogers lost?

• 2:55:32Speaker 04

  We don't know yet.

• 2:55:33Speaker 03

  We don't know yet? A little bit of both.

• 2:55:35Speaker 04

  That's a good question.

• 2:55:37Speaker 03

  Let me ask you, do you think that Abdul, if he wins? Because my opinion, right now, based on what I see in my city, he's going to win. Tom just said Wayne County. You guys know what Wayne County is? That's Detroit, Dearborn, that whole area. Yeah, I think, I think, what I think. It's the biggest turnout since 2024. It's a bigger turnout now. I tell you why. Ask yourself why. You think the current strategy is working? Because. Probably not. Because many, not all, many candidates, Republican candidates, were quiet, not direct, and weak. Soft. That's what I think. What we need is a strong message. My message is very strong. Do not come to the Polish border, or you will be dead. Simple. That's migration. Another one, another one.

• 2:56:21Speaker 03

  Okay, I love it. By the way.

• 2:56:23Speaker 00

  I want to see what, but I want you, I want you to tell me, because what I want you to share with them, give me 30 seconds, Abdul Sayed, do you support him? Do you not? Why not?

• 2:56:34Speaker 03

  So for me, when you sit there and you say you're going to tax me more money because I make more money, that does not work in America. I don't, I disagree with him. I'm not voting for you for that right away. When you tell me that your kids can go to the doctor and repay for the care for them to get surgery, yeah, it's not going to work with me. I will never vote for a candidate like that. I don't agree with him.

• 2:56:51Speaker 00

  Whether they're Muslim or not.

• 2:56:52Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Whether they're Muslim or not.

• 2:56:55Speaker 00

  This is about me.

• 2:56:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, no, no, no.

• 2:56:58Speaker 00

  But how about the, how about the part where the sister tweet from back in the days Muslim Brotherhood, how do you feel about those tweets?

• 2:57:05Speaker 03

  So for me, here's the one thing about me. Number one, I don't, I don't believe that there's any, should be any Muslim Brotherhood in America, any other thing, stuff like that nature. By the way, I don't believe in anything like that infiltrating America as far as religion wise. I believe that we have the Constitution of the United States of America, which I follow proudly. Now, that's the first part. Second part is the Muslim Brotherhood thing. Yeah, any, anyone that kills innocent people, anyone that claims to be Muslim Brotherhood that goes out there and doesn't do the right things, I disagree with. As a devout Muslim, as somebody that doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, teaches my kids these things. I live in Boca Raton, highly populated Jewish area. I have some of the best Jewish friends in the world. Amazing people. So I don't come from that camp. Abdul Sayed, this is his issue. He's not going to get you Medicare. What do you think this is? Obama, did Obama try to do

• 2:57:49Speaker 03

  it? Well, he sounds like Obama. I'm like thinking it's Obama running. He's not going to get free Medicare. We all know that, even though he wants to. But the message landed hard. I personally would not vote for anyone that's a socialist. It does not work. You can't charge me more money if I make more money. You cannot sit there and tell me you're going to give this money away to some of other people that don't want to work. It doesn't work in America. I won't vote for him, no matter if he's Muslim, not Muslim, because at the end of the day, I got to go what's right for America and for my kids and their future.

• 2:58:17Speaker 04

  If you look at the stats, guys, you know, look, as somebody who lived in the Middle East for eight years of my life, if you look at the average Syrian in this country, Lebanese, especially in this country, Egyptian in this country, I promise you, I promise you, they're primarily entrepreneurs, free market people, the farthest things from socialists. Now, and there's, there's something else. I think the founding fathers foresaw this being a debate. It's why the United States and why being an American holds that sacred covenant, which is the separation of church and state. Your relationship to God and how you choose

• 2:58:57Speaker 04

  to worship is between you and your God. That is, that is the principle this country was founded on. And to your point, if you pledge allegiance to the Constitution of this country, you're allowed to worship everybody from Moloch, Satan, the God of the Israelites, or whoever it is you want to choose. That's, that is the ideal we have to hold true to.

• 2:59:20Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, you sound, you may be a devout Muslim, but you sound very American to me. Obviously a free market capitalist entrepreneur.

• 2:59:29Speaker 00

  I want you to hold that. That's why I brought Haas, because he gave me the perspective. I wanted to bring him on. And James, you got some thoughts you want to share, but we have Bill O'Reilly and Cenk Uygur joining us. I know Bill is in his seat. And Bill, before we come to you, let's go to this commercial break before we go to Bill O'Reilly. Go for it. I don't get excited about every movie that comes out, but when you have a musical, an American musical, and another story about a great American entrepreneur, and I get to buy it with four tickets and streaming all in one, now you got my attention. And I'm talking about Angel Studios. And guys, this deal is ridiculous. For 20 bucks a month, you get access to Angel's streaming library and two tickets to every theatrical release. But this November, you're getting four tickets, a $60 value. Think about it. Entertainment shapes our culture, our values, and what our kids believe.

• 3:00:13Speaker 00

  Movies like Drummer Boy in theater this weekend, Hershey coming up during Thanksgiving. Celebrate the courage, the perseverance, the faith, and the family that built America. And maybe with all the election night stress, what I like to do is go away with my family, sit down and watch a beautiful movie with them. And that's why I appreciate Angel, entertainment that leaves you feeling better. Go to angel.com/pbd and join today. Okay, check. Okay, fantastic. Okay, with that being said, do we have Bill O'Reilly with us? Bill O'Reilly. Bill, can you hear me? It's a nice green tie you got on. Can we turn on Bill's audio so he can listen to me?

• 3:00:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Irishman.

• 3:00:52Speaker 00

  Bill. Bill, one. Bill, no, he's definitely not asleep.

• 3:00:58Tom Ellsworth?

  He's getting good rest.

• 3:00:58Speaker 00

  He's unbed himself. Can somebody from our team let him know? Ronnie, can you call him and tell him we're here? Bill, can you hear us?

• 3:01:09Speaker 00

  Bill, can you hear us or no?

• 3:01:13Speaker 04

  Testing. Bill, can you hear us?

• 3:01:16Speaker 00

  Can you hear us or no? Bill, I say let's do it live.

• 3:01:21Speaker 00

  Let's do it live. No, we don't have him yet? Okay, I'll let you guys figure it out. Part out, I'll come. When you have him, team, let me know when you do have him. In the meantime, while we're going through that, Haas, going back to the final thoughts, if you want to. Did you want to say, James, did you want to say anything about what he was saying?

• 3:01:38Speaker 04

  I just want to say there's a video out from Dearborn right now. We have investigated people everywhere. Today, the officials were speaking in Arabic. This is on video. It's viral on our channel. And they're telling the voter to vote illegally if a noncitizen, speaking a different language. So I recognize that's anecdotal, but there's...

• 3:01:55Speaker 00

  Completely disagree with that.

• 3:01:56Speaker 04

  That's not right. That's against the law.

• 3:01:58Speaker 00

  It's against, anything against the law, they shouldn't do. I agree.

• 3:02:00Speaker 04

  If you pledge to the Constitution, you have to follow the laws. You can't tell noncitizens to vote in a different language.

• 3:02:05Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 3:02:06Speaker 04

  So...

• 3:02:07Speaker 00

  You think, would, would, would you vote for me if I ran for office as a Muslim and a conservative? Yes?

• 3:02:13Speaker 04

  I don't think you being Muslim has anything to do with it.

• 3:02:15Speaker 00

  Right?

• 3:02:15Speaker 04

  To be personal.

• 3:02:15Speaker 00

  So here's the thing, shouldn't we have that conversation? Shouldn't we convert more people into that mindset instead of demonizing it? What do you think?

• 3:02:25Tom Ellsworth?

  We need more people like you speaking up for the Muslim population then. Because most people think that Islam has been hijacked by the radical Islam movement, and that, that phrase, taqia, where you can lie to get what you want, is being used continually through the politicians that are out there.

• 3:02:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:43Tom Ellsworth?

  AKA Mandami and Said.

• 3:02:46Speaker 00

  Not a fan of M'dani either.

• 3:02:48Tom Ellsworth?

  All right. So you're a different situation. It would be wonderful, because this is how we feel.

• 3:02:52Speaker 04

  This is one of the pieces.

• 3:02:53Tom Ellsworth?

  This is what we want. I was just in Uzbekistan. Uzbekistan, I was in Tuscan. It's an amazing country. Jews, Catholics, Muslims, no headaches in that country. They're all thriving and living and expressing themselves.

• 3:03:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:03:09Tom Ellsworth?

  That's in that instance.

• 3:03:10Speaker 04

  Can I just reverse this question? Can any Christian run for office in Saudi Arabia?

• 3:03:15Speaker 00

  No.

• 3:03:15Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 3:03:16Speaker 00

  By the way,

• 3:03:17Speaker 04

  So, so that's the problem.

• 3:03:19Speaker 00

  That's Saudi Arabia. This is America.

• 3:03:20Speaker 04

  Sorry?

• 3:03:21Speaker 00

  This is America.

• 3:03:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:03:22Speaker 00

  That's why America is the greatest country in the world.

• 3:03:24Speaker 04

  True. That's why, that's why I said that Islam, they represent, it's not...

• 3:03:28Speaker 00

  Saudi Arabia is not Islam.

• 3:03:30Speaker 04

  The same...

• 3:03:31Speaker 00

  There's no, yeah, but no Saudi Arabia is not Islam. Islam is not, is not ran by one country.

• 3:03:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. But what I'm talking about, any Islamic, un-Sharia law state would never allow even to think that Christian can run for the office. Look what happened in Lebanon when there was a division between President, Prime Minister, and they had two years each, this and that. Now it's gone. There's no Christians.

• 3:03:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, the President of Lebanon has to be a Christian. Yeah.

• 3:03:57Speaker 04

  So, and it's not. And I, I went to Lebanon four times, and I spoke to the people, and they said, okay, we had agreements, we've got two years of Prime Minister, Prime Minister, two years President, we switch. Because even though it's a Christian country, now they are gone.

• 3:04:12Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 3:04:12Speaker 04

  Within the time. So it's a process which was stopped in Poland and should be stopped in America.

• 3:04:17Speaker 00

  So there's a theological debate and there's a cultural debate. There's two different things. All right, so let's do this. So, so we, I, I believe we have Bill O'Reilly on with us. Let's test it one more time. And Bill, let's do it live, Bill. I want to make sure you hear me. Can you hear us or no?

• 3:04:30Speaker 04

  I got you, loud and clear.

• 3:04:33Speaker 00

  I told Bill the other day when we were speaking, I said, Bill, I don't know if you know this or not, but you're on the Mount Rushmore. Whether you like it or not, a lot of people for decades followed you when you had the number one show getting 20, 30 million views. Before there was any of the podcasters, there was Bill O'Reilly. So Bill, thank you for making the time. Bill, how are you feeling? You've been doing, you've been in this sport of politics for decades. What do you think is going on when we're seeing Talarico got a one and a half million lead now? And Governor Abbott potentially losing, and Abdullah Al-Sayed? Have you ever in your life, being in politics for decades, have you ever seen something like this before?

• 3:05:08Speaker 04

  Well, not exactly. Um, there were, Barack Obama got waxed in his last midterm. And in the 19th century, there were big upheavals in politics. But I think that I and others underestimated the anger of the American people. Chris Cuomo had a good line tonight. He said anger ushered in Donald Trump to the White House. And now anger is ushering his administration out. And it's true. Americans were angry about Joe Biden and his irresponsible administration.

• 3:05:49Speaker 04

  And now they're angry because they have to pay more for the essentials of life. And the Republican Party has not really defined it very well. So you're getting a reaction that is emotional rather than based on anything else. And I'll just throw one more thing, and this is not a partisan analysis, but it's true. This affordability stuff that the Democrats hid behind is just foolish. That party is going to raise taxes for everybody. I mean, the people who make the most money are going to get waxed the most. But working men and women are going to get hammered.

• 3:06:31Speaker 04

  And that's going to wipe out any affordability that may or may not happen. Government can't control the private marketplace no matter what. But people don't understand that. And so they're voting on a motion. Donald Trump is on the ballot, once again. And they say, we're disappointed. We want somebody else.

• 3:06:54Speaker 00

  By the way, I just saw the numbers right now with Calci. Cenk, great to have you on as well, Cenk. Let me know if you can hear us.

• 3:07:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can hear you.

• 3:07:01Speaker 00

  Okay, fantastic. So Calci just had it 99% that the Dems are going to have the House and the Senate. Talarico, now I don't know whether it's at right now, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5 million lead. Abbott potentially losing his behind. Abdullah Al-Sayed's got the lead, looks like that's also going to go. Cenk, from a different perspective, people know which side you lean politically. How do you think this happened? Why do you think this happened?

• 3:07:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, do what? Oh, is that to me or your other guy?

• 3:07:29Speaker 00

  I'm going to go to Cenk then. Bill, I'm going to come to you right afterwards. Go for it, Cenk.

• 3:07:32Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 3:07:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. So look, what's happening is that people are constantly looking for and voting for change. And that's happening across the world, and people can't tell. They're like, well, I don't get it. It's going right, it's going left. People are searching for answers. So it goes to Trump, then it swings wildly against Trump. Now, a lot of that is predictable. Trump is sitting at a negative 26% approval. I mean, that's going to catch up with you at some point, and that point is right now. And so that's why this is a bloodbath. And he said, act like I'm on the ballot to the point that Bill was making. And it became a referendum on Donald Trump. And when you're at minus 26, minus 51 with independents, that referendum is not going to end well.

• 3:08:12Speaker 03

  So look, my thesis, Pat, is we've all tried, you know, establishment Democrats like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, et cetera. We've tried establishment Republicans like George Bush, Dick Cheney. We've tried a populist right in, in Donald Trump. I don't really think he's a populist at all. I think he's a fake populist. But we tried all that. The one thing that this country has not tried is populist left. And so if, and, and what they're beginning to try tonight with Abdullah Al-Sayed and others is not far left. Far left is different. That's DSA socialists, et cetera. Populist left is Ro Khanna, Abdullah Al-Sayed, James... Talarico and and the country is saying, let's try that now and see how that goes.

• 3:08:54Speaker 03

  And so for a guy like me who's on the populist left, it it couldn't be better than this.

• 3:08:58Speaker 00

  Bill, what what do you have to say about what Jen just said? Do you agree with him?

• 3:09:03Speaker 04

  No, I don't think that there's anything good about the populist left or the radical left, however you want to define it. And everybody's different. I mean, everybody on in the Democratic Party defines him or herself in a different way. All you got to do is look at what's happening in Europe with is the entitlements have overtaken the treasuries of at least five countries. And now the people don't want to cut back and they're setting the countries on fire because you can't afford, no one can afford, to pay for somebody else's life. And that's what the populist or radical left promises.

• 3:09:47Speaker 04

  We'll take care of the housing, we'll take care of your kid, we'll take care of your medical expenses, universal health care. I mean, Great Britain doesn't have any money. I mean, Great Britain is out of money. They cannot afford to pay their national health care. France is out of money. They can't afford to pay anything. And the people won't even take retirement two years down the road. All the French government says is, maybe you don't retire at 62, you got to work to 64. No, we're not doing it. So that's the road that the left in America wants to go down. It's going to be a very painful road for this country that owes 40 trillion dollars.

• 3:10:33Speaker 00

  Jen, question for you, because again, you've also been in the space for a long time and you were mainstream, you went independent and you've done what you've done. When you see this happening, so they take Senate, they take House, what would you like to see the left do now that they're going to have control of the two, the next two years?

• 3:10:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, so just real quick on what Bill said. Look, there's nothing radical about populism. We have like the populist plank on TYT.com and that's, all of those issues poll at over two thirds of Americans. And Pat, as you and I have discussed before, there's issues like paid family leave, you give moms 12 weeks off after they have a baby, that polls at 84%. That's not radical. Three quarters of Republican voters want it, 94% of Democratic voters want it, but we never get anything we want. Populism just means, hey, why don't you serve the voters instead of the donors? And there's populist right too, like for example, I think Vinnie O'Shaughnessy from PBD Podcast is populist right? And that gets to the question, the answer that you're asking for here, Pat, which is

• 3:11:34Speaker 03

  that, look, I know what the populists want, both on the right and the left, and the wars. That's what we voted for. We voted for that in a thousand different ways and a thousand different candidates. We voted for that in both parties and we never get it. And and a corollary to that is end funding Israel. And now that Donald Trump said he's going to end that, Rokana was just on our Young Turks election coverage and he said, well, that's now the baseline. So if any Democrat says that we should fund Israel, they're to the right of Donald Trump. So, no, we, you know, and look, populist right started this by saying America first. And and about that, they're right, the American voters should come first. Why are we constantly funding a different, a different nation?

• 3:12:16Speaker 03

  Why are people declaring their unconditional support for Israel instead of the voters of America or Michigan? I think that that Rogers, Mike Rogers, lost this race when he said, I will serve Israel unconditionally. That is an insane thing to say. Mainstream media is on that side, they're on the side of endless wars, they're on the side of Israel first, but the American voters are not, and they just showed it to you. So when we get into Congress, that's it. No more wars, cut off the funding for this war and cut off the funding for Israel. I don't even think they're an ally, but certainly the American voters just gave you an enormous mandate. We don't want to do it anymore. And Pat, you might have seen it, you know, we did the Rebellion PAC ad, that's the groceries ad, that that was my PAC, Rebellion PAC.

• 3:12:59Speaker 03

  And, you know, people on the Democratic side, they were nervous about it, oh, they got to disavow and all this stuff. And what happened? It was an enormously popular ad to the point where Donald Trump had to say, yes, in Michigan, we're getting so much pressure that we got to cut off the funding to Israel. So, again, these elections couldn't have gone better, but you're right, they have to follow through and actually deliver what the voters actually voted for tonight.

• 3:13:22Speaker 00

  So, Bill, the topic of Israel, again, for someone that's been in the space for a long time, have you ever seen the level of criticism of Israel involvement, you know, the amount of money that's being paid out to them? It's it's a wide range of folks, there's even some people on the Republican side that agree with the sentiment. What do you say to that? Because sometimes Republicans are uncomfortable to discuss that topic. What do you say about that?

• 3:13:47Speaker 04

  Well, the Congress has to be a vote on where the money's going to go. But if you understand the Israeli experience, if we withdrew and we're not going to, that's a ruse, that money will still get to Israel, but in other forms. If you understand the Middle East, and I've covered the wars there, without our support, there'd be a massive war, massive. And it would be a wipeout, kill every Jew. Because that's what Iran wants, that's what Hezbollah wants, that's what Hamas wants. And they'd all band together and try to kill every Jew. Is that what you want in Michigan? Is that what you want in America?

• 3:14:32Speaker 04

  I mean, these people need protection. And if you don't understand what happened in World War II and subsequently afterward, then you should read up on it. Because it's just ridiculous. And I'm going to address the other things. Just because the people want it, doesn't make it noble. Okay? So, open borders is a tremendously destructive force, which the Democratic Party will bring back in various ways, shapes and forms. So I'm a long-term thinker. This vote tonight, I called it, Patrick, I called it, because Republicans were not

• 3:15:16Speaker 04

  showing empathy to the American people who were suffering because of the Iranian situation, the essentials of life. There wasn't any empathy coming out of the GOP. That's why they got waxed. Because people said, well, wait a minute, I'm getting hammered and I'm not hearing anything from my congressperson about how to solve this. And then when you have the oil companies making unbelievable profits, record-breaking

• 3:15:53Speaker 04

  profits off a war that's supposed to be a war that prevents a nuclear attack, which is a noble thing, okay? But when you have oil companies, and President Trump addressed it once, I, if I were president, I would have addressed it every blanking day and got those people into the White House and said, you cannot profiteer off the suffering of Americans. That's the new leadership you need in the Republican Party. And with all due respect to all of your viewers and all of them, the Democratic Party doesn't have any interest in that.

• 3:16:36Speaker 04

  Their interest is taking over the federal government, running the economy, and as Mamdani said in New York, controlling the means of production. He said it. That's communism. Go to Cuba and see how that works. So, again, I'm a long-term thinker, this is a huge setback on Donald Trump's legacy and the Republican Party tonight.

• 3:17:08Speaker 00

  Jen, I'll give you the final words before we wrap up. Go for it. What what's your reaction to what Bill just said?

• 3:17:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, look, first of all, thanks for having us both on. I think this is a really fun conversation. Bill, I agree with you, was a kind of legendary in the television business, the original giant talk show host on on cable news and like to think the Young Turks was the original giant show on on the internet. So it's a it's a nice meeting here. And I like what Bill's saying at the end there, which is, yeah, why aren't we holding the oil companies accountable? Do you know that they get $19 billion a year in free money from the taxpayers? That's actually way more than Israel gets in a normal year. Why are we giving the most profitable companies in the world extra gifts from the American taxpayers? It's unconscionable. And Bill's right, they did triple their

• 3:17:53Speaker 03

  Profit margin during this crisis and they brag to shareholders that actually it wasn't supply and demand that was driving up the prices, it was their profit margins. So that's unconscionable, but on everything else, I gotta disagree with Bill. I mean populism just means give the people what they want and you know, you say you can't give people what they want. Well, why do we have a democracy? Of course, we should give the people what they want. It doesn't mean that they want communism. If you ask them, they'll tell you in America that they don't want communism. And by the way, the populist left is not about communism or socialism. That's not, we're not the DSA wing, we're not the socialist wing. We're the, why don't you give people what you want, what they want wing? And what they want isn't Santa Claus, they want just fairness.

• 3:18:37Speaker 03

  They want equality of opportunity and they want to be able to pay their bills and they don't want to pay for other people's bills. So it's so hyperbolic to say that all the Jews are gonna die if we don't fund Israel. Their infinite request for funding, their infinite request for war. But you know, people are dying, our soldiers are dying, our service members are dying. In fact, we covered this haunting story, the Army Times reported that they're teaching our soldiers how to quickly dig mass graves, because that's what they might face in Iran. The Israelis aren't doing that because they're not sending in any ground troops. It's constantly our guys who are getting killed, us paying the bills. We spent eight trillion dollars on the global war on Israel's neighbors. So what are we doing here?

• 3:19:20Speaker 03

  We're bankrupt, we're borrowing this money from China, we have to pay the interest rates the rest of our lives, so do our kids, so do our grandkids. Why doesn't Israel borrow the money from China if they want endless wars? It's not our business. And I, I think that times are completely different now. I don't think that it's a left, right thing anymore, you know, paradigm anymore as much as it is the populist versus the establishment. And the populists of both parties are sick of paying for everyone else and never getting anything we want. And after this election, after the Democrats ran on ending the wars and ending the funding of Israel, they better do it, otherwise they'll wind up losing in 28 and they'll get their asses thrown out and people will vote for change again until someone delivers.

• 3:20:03Speaker 00

  Bill, do you have anything, it looks like you want to say something, Bill.

• 3:20:06Speaker 04

  I always want to say something. I'm a flatter man, alright? Look, I got a new book out and it's called Confronting America, What Has To Change? And in the book, I say the key to a successful life in a society like the United States is developing your talent, working with the traditional system of capitalism, and you will come out okay and obeying the law, don't be a miscreant, alright? And I give countless examples. The government cannot do it for you. You say you want fairness, life is not fair.

• 3:20:49Speaker 04

  There are brilliant people, there are dumb people. The dumb people aren't gonna do as well as the brilliant people. So I would rather live in a real world, but I believe that Congress, and this is absolutely necessary, and I hope you guys read Confronting America, is developing your talent, working with the traditional system of capitalism, and you will come out okay and obeying the law, don't be a miscreant, alright? And I give countless examples. The government cannot do it for you.

• 3:21:30Speaker 04

  You say you want fairness, life is not fair. There are brilliant people, there are dumb people. The dumb people aren't gonna do as well as the brilliant people. So I would rather live in a real world, but I believe that Congress, and this is absolutely necessary, and I hope you guys read Confronting America, has to be a little bit more proactive in protecting the 350 million Americans. Instead of sitting there, we should have had an immigration bill 20 years ago.

• 3:22:14Speaker 04

  20 years they sat on and they could make a fair immigration bill. No. So yes, you're right, Trump's on a ballot, he's getting his butt kicked tonight, he'll use the veto and executive orders to mitigate the damage that is coming his way. And then in 28, we'll see if the American people are as angry as they are tonight.

• 3:22:40Speaker 00

  Thank you for both, Cenk, last time we did this, you had a friend from Poland that you guys had a special moment on election night, two years later, he's got a question for you.

• 3:22:51Speaker 04

  I've got just one question for you, Cenk, if you would be so nice to answer.

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• 3:25:09Speaker 00

  Cenk, Bill, again, appreciate both of you guys for making the time, thank you so much, Cenk and Bill, thank you guys, take care, bye bye, bye bye.

• 3:25:17Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 3:25:18Speaker 00

  Alright, fantastic, okay, that was great. By the way, a couple things before we change the panel, Tom's got an update for the, for us, and let me see what I just got here, two things, and we got people in the lounge of a small business owner that's being interviewed, and then I'm gonna change the entire lineup, so if you guys don't mind, we're gonna bring the next group in. Tom, give us the latest update of what's been happening, thanks guys, appreciate you.

• 3:25:36Speaker 04

  We have a milestone moment in the US Senate, and we have called Kansas for Adam Hamilton, who is the Democrat, who is the Minister of the Methodist Church, of one wing of the Methodist Church. He is the winner in Kansas, which gives Pat 49, that's 49 senators now, to the Democrats, and we will now project they will control the Senate because Oregon and Minnesota are not in doubt, and that will be 51. The only question is how far above 51 is this gonna go? But we are projecting Kansas for Hamilton, the Democrat, and 51 in the US Senate. It's done.

• 3:26:20Speaker 00

  Done, done?

• 3:26:21Speaker 04

  The US Senate is done, it will be Democrat control.

• 3:26:25Speaker 00

  There you go, so now they control both of them, they control both of them to see what happens. Anthony in the back, I think if we got Anthony or Taylor in the back in the cigar, by the way, if you're watching this, and if you're enjoying all of this exchange that we're having, you enjoy what we're doing, this happened as well last time, if you haven't yet subscribed on the channel, it would mean the world to us, it allows us to bring bigger guests, so click on the channel, if you're enjoying this, we would, it would mean the world to us if you support the podcast and press the subscribe button. Do we have the folks in the back at the boardroom cigar lounge, Anthony or Taylor, are they ready in the back?

• 3:26:59Speaker 04

  Hey Pat.

• 3:27:00Speaker 00

  Can I, because I can't see you, if we put the camera on you, I want to see where you're at.

• 3:27:04Speaker 04

  Right here, Pat.

• 3:27:06Speaker 00

  Can you guys flip to the camera in the back, they're, they're in the private, okay, alright, Anthony, who do you have there? By the way, tell me Anthony's not handsome and good-looking, look at this guy, doing a great job with VT Gen Z. Anthony, what's happening back there?

• 3:27:18Speaker 04

  Hey Pat, so I got Alex here, small business owner, actually grew up in the Soviet Union, immigrated to the States. What's been your biggest takeaway so far with the midterm elections?

• 3:27:28Speaker 03

  Well, everything I saw, I expected. My take on this, we have a big problem in our country. We have a big problem with our voters being uninformed and just plainly stupid. They're more worried about instant gratification, about pushing back on Trump instead of the long-term damage they're gonna do by voting for Islamists and socialists and communists.

• 3:27:50Speaker 00

  Let him know, turn it off, Jake. Turn it off, come back here, we'll come back to them, fix the audio, please. And Adam, please grab a seat respectfully. Mickey, how you doing? Good to have you here.

• 3:28:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Thanks for having me.

• 3:28:03Speaker 00

  Yes, we have a different lineup, so now, based on everything that right now is going on, what are you thinking? Your, your, your life is a very different life, what do you think about all the stuff that's going on right now?

• 3:28:12Tom Ellsworth?

  I think that, uh...

• 3:28:14Speaker 00

  Can we have Mickey's mic on, please?

• 3:28:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Is my mic not on?

• 3:28:17Speaker 00

  Okay, now you're good.

• 3:28:18Tom Ellsworth?

  I think that politics are ridiculous. I think that, uh, supporting any political philosophy with blind allegiance is ridiculous. I think this is America, the greatest country on earth. I think this is the land of the free and the home of the brave. I think we should be discussing policies at a policy-to-policy basis and not blind allegiance to any party. I think every political philosophy has parts right

• 3:28:43Speaker 06

  in parts wrong. And I think that a lot of people, especially young people, get consumed by what they think the truth is based on what they see on social media. And I think it's incredibly distorted. And I think it's very violent in thought. And I just, I don't want to subscribe to the sentiment of political parties at all. I have my own moral compass. And I think-

• 3:29:05Speaker 00

  What's important to you? Like, what issues, if you were to give your Mickey top three issues to you, what would it be?

• 3:29:11Speaker 06

  My top three issues? I would say first would be the discussion of taxation. I am not pro more taxes. I work really hard for my money. I used to have none. And the idea that I have to give the money that I earn to someone who's unwilling to get up and get it doesn't sit right for me.

• 3:29:30Speaker 00

  Okay, so what's the second one?

• 3:29:32Speaker 06

  The second one, I would say, I think that social media should have an auditing system that prevents politics from being discussed on it.

• 3:29:42Speaker 00

  Really?

• 3:29:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:29:43Speaker 00

  So you're not for freedom of speech?

• 3:29:45Speaker 06

  Not really.

• 3:29:46Speaker 00

  Really? Okay, you're honest about it. Being honest. So tell me more, you're not for freedom of speech?

• 3:29:53Speaker 06

  No, not really. I think most people in third, sorry, in first world countries, particularly America, are really soft. You know, I've been homeless and incarcerated and, you know, I've been around a lot of people that if you break their rules, that you didn't get a chance to vote on, there were grave consequences. And you can still prevail and you learn to excel in this environment. And it's not necessarily as a whole, the freedom of speech I'm against. You know, I love being able to say whatever I want to say, of course. But I think the idea of the youth which are rather uneducated, like to take a political opinion from an 18-year-old who's two years shy of even being eligible to have voted in the last election, I think is ridiculous.

• 3:30:38Speaker 06

  So I remember when I was 18, I did things like tattoo my face, I partied, I did drugs, all these things. And then as a grown man yourself, a successful man, you're gonna come to me when I was 18 years old and say, I think you should have a say in how I run my life and who should govern me. I mean, it's ridiculous.

• 3:30:56Speaker 00

  So then what age? If it's not 18, what age? By the way, you're making an argument that I've made in the past as well, but what age?

• 3:31:02Speaker 06

  I think that it should really be based around merit on an individual level. I think there should be some kind of psychiatric test and maturity test before you can make decisions like that.

• 3:31:11Speaker 00

  How many of you guys agree partly with what he has to say? Yes, no, maybe? Make some noise if you do. It's, it's good luck, yeah, good luck with something like that happening. Okay, Mickey, thank, stick around because we got other things to, uh, to talk about. So you saw O'Reilly, you saw what happened, you saw what it's like right now. Guys, it's over, just so you know. Done, done, okay?

• 3:31:30Speaker 03

  I, I made the joke, if only someone had given the administration some warning. For the last year and a half, people were issuing righteous, sincere criticism as to how this administration could correct ship. And they were called black pillars, doom pillars, panicins, all sorts of names, written off, demonized, from the righteous criticism, which was the coalition, or at least the promises, the campaign that was made for the coalition was not being respected in real time and that coalition was gonna shatter and this was gonna happen. And people were foretelling it a year and a half ago and they were brushed off and demonized. And now we're seeing the consequences of what was entirely avoidable.

• 3:32:05Speaker 00

  Vinnie?

• 3:32:05Speaker 03

  Uh, well, first, I just have to go just really quick back, Piers who was on, and my name was mentioned with Chank and everybody. Piers Morgan always likes to say Tommy Robbins' name is not Tommy Robinson. He keeps doing that. You think Piers Morgan's name is really Piers Morgan? It's not. It's Piers Stefan Omera, just since he always wants to talk crap about Tommy Robinson. But I'll move on. So Pat, I've been sitting in the back and I've been listening all night, and this is the United States of America and all the top I've, I've heard the whole time from everybody is the word Israel and Iran. Israel, like, this is the United States of America, Pat, and I personally, the fact that our midterm, and it's looking like it's gonna bleed into 2028, the fact that another

• 3:32:47Speaker 03

  country's actions, whatever, I don't, I'm not judging, it's the fact that it's affecting my life and my country bothers me. I don't like it. I, I, if I counted how many times the word Israel was said while I was up here, my, the paper, the ink would have ran out on the pen, okay? And then you have Chank up here, Pat, about populism and I respect Chank, but Chank's nephew is one of the main factors that helped El-Sayyad go to number one. And guess what this guy's message is? I wiped the Constitution with my ass. I, I hope capitalists in America, their, they, their streets are bleeding and soaked with their blood. He hates freaking America and I, and I have to side with Dominic, Pat, that whole attitude of, no, there's good people.

• 3:33:30Speaker 03

  2 billion people, if 25% of them are radicalized, you know how many hundreds of millions of people that means hates you and hates America? And we let them in. And for, we let them in because, Pat, the second strike on Iran, everybody knew we shouldn't have done it. Everybody knew we shouldn't have done it. Plain and simple. The first one, we knocked out everything. And this is what bothered me, the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, who I respect immensely, sat in front of a camera and said, guys, we knocked everything out, they don't have any more nuclear capability, and they all turned on her. They were like, what the, she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. And then she was like, oh, uh, no, no, they do have it. And then she was gone. Okay? This is America and America spoke tonight.

• 3:34:15Speaker 03

  They spoke and I hope they're listening, Pat, because now if the attitude is, let's go and bomb the shit out of Iran, we lost 2028. Okay? We have to change that freaking attitude. The future looks bright, but the future starts tonight. They better start making some radical changes or else these radicals are gonna take over the country.

• 3:34:32Speaker 00

  Where have you been the entire night? What happened to this? Make some noise for Vinnie, guys.

• 3:34:35Speaker 03

  I've been sitting in the back.

• 3:34:36Speaker 00

  This is our Vinnie.

• 3:34:37Speaker 03

  And Pat, ready for this? Ilhan Omar is 99% whatever winning, like the accountability, and I understand, going after people, I'm about accountability, I'm not about this lawfare that the left did against Trump, but people broke the law, we should be going after them. But then every time they arrest them or they indict them, guess what we run into? A judge that Biden or Obama appointed and they just dismissed the case, like those two FBI agents that just got caught for, uh, the Biden, uh, the laptop, they lied about it, guess what happened to them? The judge said, bye-bye, get rid of it. Okay? So we have to, guys, tonight is the freaking night and I hope everybody wakes up and understands this whole sitting back, laying back, the Republican Party was Trump. It's all Trump, but we learned tonight, you can't just sit back, Ken Paxton, everybody

• 3:35:22Speaker 03

  and be like, oh, his endorsement's gonna do it. It ain't gonna do it. Get your ass out there, get, Abdul Sayyad was out there talking shit to people. Like, yeah, even though he's 100%, the whole family supports Muslim Brotherhood, he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, avoid, he never denied it. That means the whole family's in on it. If you don't think he thinks like that too, you're delusional.

• 3:35:41Speaker 00

  Okay, so by the way, FYI, for everybody that's watching this out there, not only subscribe to the YouTube channel, but I want you to DM Vinnie because he's a bachelor, single, handsome, in shape, cooks, very good food, takes care of his body. Ladies, Vincent O'Shaughnessy, go to his handle, DM him, and then swipe right, whatever way you gotta do, do your thing. But with that being said, we got somebody special here with us, Ann Coulter. Ann, are you up there? Let us know.

• 3:36:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Hello, can you?

• 3:36:06Speaker 00

  How you doing, Ann? How you feeling?

• 3:36:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Fantastic. Everything I said would happen, happened. And it's all because of the Iran war. Remember we talked about that on your show before, when Trump was just threatening to do the Iran war? If only he'd listened to me. Oh my gosh, I knew this was gonna happen. We're gonna lose all these battleground states. Oh, but good news, Amendment 3 passed in Florida. Ha, ha, ha. You know, I just got back from New York. In New York, I saw more ads against Amendment 3 that will limit local taxes. Thank you, Ron DeSantis. I saw more ads against Amendment 3 in Florida than I saw ads for Hochul and Blakeman. That's how much these public sector unions have to spend on this. So, ha, ha, ha, Amendment 3 passed.

• 3:36:52Speaker 00

  By the way, it's interesting you're saying that. So this is, this is why I wanted to ask you. Biggest winners, biggest losers. Because one of the winners, based on you just saying Florida, I mean, everybody in Florida won. Is that because of DeSantis? Is that because of Trump? If, if, DeSantis didn't have the rough night, Florida had a pretty good night. And look, it's looking pretty good with him for 2028. So your thoughts, biggest losers, biggest winners? Where are you at?

• 3:37:17Tom Ellsworth?

  DeSantis, huge winner, particularly because of what he said about the Iran war today. You gotta end it. This is, this is destroying the Republican Party. Um, I, I mean, yes, 100%, it's only DeSantis who pulled Ashley Moody and Byron Donalds through. I was amazed, it was as close as it was considering, you know, how beloved DeSantis is in Florida. I'm so happy Amendment 3 passed. Um, but really in the rest of the country, I, I mean, I'll keep my fingers crossed for Collins in Maine and, um, there's a guy, Houston in, in Ohio, there are a few I'd like, but, uh, and, no, it's all the Iran war.

• 3:38:01Tom Ellsworth?

  You look at the, I mean, look at what Trump did today. He came out and said, um, first of all, on Fox, he said, well, I think people are-

• 3:38:08Speaker 03

  Glad we stopped the nuclear program in Iran. Oh, no, they aren't. Nobody was worried about Iranian nukes. And also, he apparently, I don't know, said on Truth Social or came out and said, "Okay, fine, we'll stop giving Israel $4 billion." He's trying to get people to vote for him, and he knows what it's about. It's what the polls show. I mean, if people don't say the Iran war specifically, and a lot of them say the Iran war, they say gas prices, they say cost of living. Well, that's the Iran war. And by the way, I think it's worth pointing that out, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because I was just watching, you know, all these Democrats on, I don't know, CNN, MSNBC. And they want to say it's about anything but the Iran war.

• 3:38:50Speaker 03

  It's, oh, that people hate Trump, and it's because of the tariffs, and it's because of voter suppression and racism and January 6th. No, it's not. It's the Iran war.

• 3:39:01Speaker 00

  That's simp- so, okay, so now, Ann, you're famous for making predictions, right? You were one of the first ones on that Bill Maher show when you're like, "Who's gonna win today? Donald Trump." What? They lost it, and then you ended up being right. So what happens next as a strategist? What is the left gonna do? What is the right gonna do? How is the right gonna prepare for 2028? Does this hurt J.D. Vance's chances? Does it increase Marco Rubio's chances? What happens next, both left and right, as strategy?

• 3:39:27Speaker 03

  I would, it ought to hurt Marco Rubio's chances. I don't think he's going to run. I think he wants to make some money. But he was, I mean, he's sort of in the neocon camp. He's the one supported by all the people who were cheerleading for the Iran war, which, by the way, not only wiped out the Republican Party. Oh, my gosh, the Iran war has been bad for Israel, as some of us said it would be all along and got yelled at for it. Anyway, J.D. Vance, he's a hero. He tried to, he was the only one in the cabinet who opposed the Iran war, as we all know. It leaked, it came out. He was on that, um, The Atlantic tape-recorded phone call for an earlier, when they were talking about an earlier intervention. He was the one who tried to end it. Remember?

• 3:40:11Speaker 03

  He had the memorandum of understanding, and Fox News and New York Post and all the usual suspects attacked him and called him an anti-Semite, and, "Oh, why don't you talk to our enemies, Lee?" He talks about, if only he had ended it. I mean, we now have a Senate and a House that is going to be majority Democrat. Eighty percent of Democrats have a dim view of Israel and have more sympathy for the Palestinians than for Israel. You like it now? You happy with what you produced with that Iran war? Oh, no, you were warned, and I think J.D. Vance should go up. I think DeSantis should go up, and Republicans better learn, for one thing, keep your promises. Trump campaigned that he wasn't gonna take us to war.

• 3:40:55Speaker 03

  He attacked the Iraq war. A lot of people were citing the fact that, you know, "I'm anti-war," and I thought he was too. So, number one, keep your promises. Number two, don't go to war. Don't, no more pointless wars.

• 3:41:08Speaker 00

  So what is it, what are the Democrats gonna do next? I've asked everybody the question, everyone's had pretty much the same answer. I wonder if you have a different angle of what do you think they're gonna do next? Are they gonna go aggressive? Are they not gonna go aggressive? Are they gonna solve for 2028? Are they gonna try to impeach? What do you think's gonna happen?

• 3:41:24Speaker 03

  Um, I, I think they might do a lot of the investigations and impeachments. I mean, you'd think, no, they won't, because that didn't help them last time, it just annoyed people. Look, you got majority in the House and Senate, you may not have the presidency, but maybe war. A lot of people were citing the fact that, you know, "I'm anti-war," and "I thought he was too." So, number one, keep your promises. Number two, don't go to war. Don't, no more pointless wars.

• 3:41:51Speaker 00

  So what is it, what are the Democrats gonna do next? I've asked everybody the question, everyone's had pretty much the same answer. I wonder if you have a different angle of what do you think they're gonna do next? Are they gonna go aggressive? Are they not gonna go aggressive? Are they gonna solve for 2028? Are they gonna try to impeach? What do you think's gonna happen?

• 3:42:07Speaker 03

  Um, I, I think they might do a lot of the investigations and impeachments. I mean, you'd think, no, they won't, because that didn't help them last time, it just annoyed people. Look, you got majority in the House and Senate, you may not have the presidency, but maybe you'll get it soon. I think their base so hates Trump, they might be lured into doing some of the investigations and impeachments. I think, I think they're gonna push it as far left as possible. I, I never believed there's such a thing as a moderate Democrat.

• 3:42:39Speaker 00

  You never believed there's such a thing as a moderate Democrat? So you don't think they're gonna hold back? Okay, so by the way, Trump just tweeted right now. Let me read you what he just said right now. Can you guess what he just said right now, literally two minutes ago? I think you can probably guess. "I wasn't on the ballot, and if I was, we would have won in a landslide." And he specifically said, "Ann Coulter, thank you for your attention to this matter." Okay? That's his tweet. So, do you agree with him?

• 3:43:08Speaker 03

  No, of course, you know, I'm sorry, I'm only embarrassed that I did not guess that, because I've been joking about that with my friends for, I don't know, a few weeks now, that, you know, when, when, when the blue tsunami comes, he's gonna say, "Well, it's because I wasn't on the ballot." No, of course, it's comical. People are voting on him. They are voting on gas prices, they're voting on cost of living. The Iran war is massively, massively unpopular. And, and I wish Republicans would stop taking the country to war after campaigning on not taking the country to war.

• 3:43:43Speaker 00

  Ann, as usual, thank you for your time, and keep kicking ass. You're amazing. Thank you, Ann Coulter. Make some noise, make some noise, make some noise. Thank you. Have a good one. Do you agree with her? Do you agree with what you just said? Adam, I'll come to you. Do you agree with what Ann-

• 3:43:57Speaker 04

  There's a lot of what she said that I, that I agree with, but I mean, I mean, look, Ann's gonna do what Ann does. By the way, Ann, if you're hearing this, you look great still. Uh, I have a different perspective. What was?

• 3:44:08Speaker 04

  By the way, the networking backstage has been incredible, so thank you, PBD, for putting this ridiculously incredible event together.

• 3:44:14Speaker 00

  By the way, let me just say this to you. If you think this is good, there's only one place in the world you're gonna be on 2028 November. And, and I can whisper to you what we're gonna be doing. It's gonna be a spectacle. It's gonna be like Magic Mountain meets Disneyland, meets politics, meets entertainment, all combined together. I'll reveal it to you in 18 months, but go ahead, Adam, you were gonna say-

• 3:44:37Speaker 04

  So I'll just say this. Obviously, it was not a good night. It was a great night for Florida. Shout out to Byron Donalds and Ashley Moody. Congratulations. Congratulations to you guys in Florida, we're the best state in the, in the Union. Uh, what I will say is this. You know, they say you don't win or lose, you win or learn. And a lesson was learned in this midterm election, and I think three things are gonna, learning lessons that we have from this. Number one, um, your finances. Affordability is a real thing. The average American on Main Street does not care about Wall Street. They care about their grocery bill, not GDP in America. So when Trump says trillions and billions of dollars, that doesn't necessarily resonate with a guy with a family with four kids, like the Red Baron Pizza guy, who's working his tail off and life's tough. And I get it.

• 3:45:22Speaker 04

  So put affordability and your finances first. Number two, as someone that used to vote Democrat and is disgusted by the Democratic Party, what I'll say to the Republican Party is, you need some fresh faces. The Democrat Party, no matter what you think about them, and I do not agree with their ideology, with their playbook at all, they have vibrancy, they have fresh faces, and they're winning. I don't like the Talaricos of the world, the Al-Sayyids of the world, any of these people. But the, the Republicans need to have a deeper bench. Last point, the future. We said the future looks bright. I'll tell you this, I'd rather lose the halftime show, but win the Super Bowl. So I think 2028 is still up for grabs. I think America tends to be bipolar every two to four years.

• 3:46:07Speaker 04

  We go back to this guy, we go back to this guy. I remember after 2020, there was no chance Trump was gonna win. Wins in a landslide in 2024. So I think at the end of the day, 2028 is completely up for grabs, and anybody that tells you differently is just lying.

• 3:46:23Speaker 00

  Emily, is he, is he lying to us? Is he right? Do you agree with him? Where are you at?

• 3:46:27Speaker 01

  So funny. I was still trying to unpack everything you said, and I was like, all right, there's, I was just like, I, I don't know about all this. It's a little doomsday, and we have to consistently pull ourselves out of that. I did a debate, Iran war. These things are so divided. I think that's the most difficult part of that. People are very for it, or they're very against that. I'm very- disappointed with the candidates Republicans put up. I did not think they were strong candidates. And yeah, like Abdul is a perfect example. I saw a clip of him on Instagram today. 405,000 likes. I mean, putting numbers that are unbelievable. They're younger, they're out there, they're bold.

• 3:47:09Speaker 01

  And it's really disappointing. The Republicans have a lot of old white guys and I'm not against that. I love that. But at the same time, we need younger candidates. Brandon Gill, I think is a perfect example. Crushing it on social media in your face. I think Vivek used to do a really good job of that as well. And we kind of got our butts kicked and I hope that, you know, I want a strong Democrat Party. Cause it makes us a better Republican Party. And I don't want the black pill or whatever new pill it is. Um, we just need to be better.

• 3:47:38Speaker 04

  No, it's crazy. I mean, we had Republicans, House, Senate, presidency for two years. And now we got a Muslim guy who is winning in this country. I mean, if it was me, if I was president right now, I would say no Muslims are allowed to even run for office in this country. That is what I would say. I know that's radical, but it's the truth. Because when you look at Sharia law and you look at Islam, it is not just a religion of freedom of expression. It is a political ideology, right? Sharia law is a political ideology. So if you are saying we are allowing people to run for office who hold this political ideology that is antithetical to what America is, then you are going to lose what America is. You are going to lose what the founding fathers envisioned for what this country is supposed to be.

• 3:48:20Speaker 04

  And if we are just going to sit back and say, we have this, you know, very pernicious idea of what liberal democracy is, what liberalism is, you know, because of our, our 21st century sympathies, you will lose America. We have to be stronger on the.

• 3:48:33Speaker 00

  Mickey.

• 3:48:34Speaker 06

  I think this whole thing sounds ridiculous. I'm going to disagree with some of your points. By the way, I agree with a lot of things that you lean towards.

• 3:48:42Speaker 04

  You disagreed with me and disagreed with me, the same sentence.

• 3:48:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, because some things you say I think are right and some things I think you say are wrong, just like politics. For example, you said you don't mind losing the halftime show to win the Super Bowl. This isn't about winning or losing. You're talking about human lives. We're talking about our kids. This isn't red versus blue, Republican versus Democrat. We're talking about the best version of this country for our kids and for us and for our grandkids. Both sides have right and wrong. This isn't about winning and losing. These are human lives. These are our children and our grandkids. This isn't about winning. This is about being a better nation for generations to come.

• 3:49:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I agree with, uh, obviously being a great country, but at the end of the day, there's ideology and there's values and principles that each party has. And as someone that was a lifelong Democrat, that is a staunch MAGA Republican at this point, I can tell you with absolute certainty, the values and principles of the modern day left do not coincide with American values, like you were talking about right now.

• 3:49:39Speaker 06

  You can't take blind allegiance to MAGA. And I'm not saying I'm pro or anti MAGA.

• 3:49:43Speaker 04

  If there's anybody that's not blind allegiance, it's the guy that's been flip flopping the past four to eight years.

• 3:49:48Speaker 06

  You just said the last statement. I forget the verbatim quote, but you said you're a hardcore MAGA.

• 3:49:51Speaker 04

  What I'm saying is.

• 3:49:52Speaker 06

  That anything that comes out of that side, you're going to agree with.

• 3:49:54Speaker 04

  Values and principles.

• 3:49:55Speaker 06

  But you don't, a hundred percent, a hundred percent.

• 3:49:58Speaker 04

  Nothing is a hundred percent. And if you ever watch the show.

• 3:50:00Speaker 06

  This is not a winner.

• 3:50:01Speaker 00

  This is the guy, just so you know, that guy, he voted for Biden in 2020, 2020, right? The 2020, whatever. No, he literally voted for Biden. He was a Biden guy. He was, he's never voted for a Republican president.

• 3:50:11Speaker 04

  Hillary, I wouldn't say I was a Biden guy.

• 3:50:12Speaker 00

  No, you were diehard Biden. You were going around trying to get all of us.

• 3:50:15Speaker 04

  I do have a Biden tattoo on my lower back. I'm not going to, yeah.

• 3:50:17Speaker 00

  So he was got kind of a thing. So, but, but you know, it, it's interesting hearing everybody what they have to say. Viva, do you want to put some thoughts on this before I go to the back?

• 3:50:24Speaker 03

  Just one quick thing, you know, it wasn't just Iran. It was, you have Tulsi Gabbard and all of the populist movement who was effectively pushed out of the, of, of the coalition. And the fundamental things, you know, like you come in and you say, no new wars, no regime change. And then you get new wars and regime change. You say Epstein files, and then if you're still pushing the Epstein files, he no longer wants your support. I mean, you had a betrayal on the most fundamental things that brought the coalition together. People were sounding the alarm in real time and they were written off and demonized. Glyphosate immunity from the Maha part of MAGA coalition? What's, what's totally frustrating is that the coalition succeeded because it appealed to the needs and the wants of people. And then when people get into power, for whatever the reason,

• 3:51:06Speaker 03

  they think they know better than the people who put them into power. And it goes from representing the voters to representing the donors. And that is what sunk this administration and they refused to listen to all the constructive criticism for the last year and a half.

• 3:51:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. And by the way, there's this data I want to show you what came up. Can you do me a favor and show the voters under 30 back Democrats by how many points? Very, very important to show. If you can pull this up. This is a NBC News exit poll. Uh, if you can pull that up, uh, so folks can see it. Do you know which one I'm talking about? Put a thumbs up on it right here. If you have that ready, I want you to see this thing.

• 3:51:40Speaker 06

  I think it's a.

• 3:51:40Speaker 00

  So take a look at this, folks. Voters under the age of 30, okay, where they went. 71% Democrat, 25% Republican, plus Dems, plus 46. 30 to 44, Dems plus 23. 45 to 64, plus one. The only one they got is Republicans plus four, 65 and older is where they're at. 65 and older. And then if you go 18 to 44, plus 30, 45 plus, plus one Republicans. It's what you have. So maybe Mickey's got a strategy to increase the age of voting to 44. Things would have been very different tonight, right? Mickey's idea. So I want to do this. I want to go to the back. I think Taylor and Anthony, the Mike Spin address.

• 3:52:24Speaker 00

  Can we find out, you, you got somebody who was a business owner in the, in the back. Can you share with us? Anthony, can you see us? Okay, perfect. Let's try this one more time. Go for it, Anthony.

• 3:52:33Speaker 03

  Hi Pat. So I'm here with Alex. He grew up in the Soviet Union. He's a small business owner. Alex, we're kind of seeing a blue wave a little bit. What's been your biggest takeaway from these midterm elections?

• 3:52:43Speaker 00

  I'm, uh, not surprised what I saw. I've always said we are a society of uneducated, uninformed, instant gratification people. This is just a pushback on Trump. Our population is more worried about picking up the bird on, uh, giving the bird to Trump than thinking of the damage they're going to do to their children. Have you ever lived in communism?

• 3:53:09Speaker 03

  I, I have not.

• 3:53:10Speaker 00

  I did. And I stood on lines for four hours for milk. And then when you get to the front, it's for shoes and they don't have your size. I was told by my parents, don't laugh too loud or talk too loud because the KGB is going to think we're doing too well. Let me tell you something. Our country has let the wolf into the hen house and that wolf is never coming out. There's going to be a lot of problems that are coming up and the society just doesn't see it. We are a society of no mentorship, no guidance. Our kids aren't informed and we got problems.

• 3:53:44Speaker 03

  There you go, Pat. That's perspective in the back.

• 3:53:46Speaker 00

  Very, very good perspective. What do you guys think about what you just said?

• 3:53:49Speaker 02

  Pat, you know, I agree with, like, I, I know people feel it. They don't really talk about that much, but there is, there's something. I want to say the word evil, but there's something negative, very negative happening in the country. Like everybody, like everybody's always wondering, I know in Ephesians, chapter six, verse 12, it says, "We're not wrestling with flesh and blood." People always go, man, that, that person wouldn't do this or, you know what? Cause we're fighting something deeper. I think there's something evil, Pat. But I am very, very optimistic. And I, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, guys. This country, America has been through, you name it, bro. Depressions, wars. We've dropped freaking bombs on Hiroshima. People like, the world's going to, we've done crazy stuff.

• 3:54:32Speaker 02

  America always finds a way to come out on top. And I, I agree with what Mickey's saying, Adam, where it's the, the blind loyalty. It's like, no, whatever this person is, I'm with it. Mind you, I've been ride or die. I talked to Pat today about this. I never vote, guys, I never voted ever. United States Air Force veteran, mom and dad, legal immigrants. We never talked about politics ever. My dad just loved Reagan because he was in the movies and he loved his hair and that was it. No, that was a real.

• 3:54:57Speaker 00

  Hair matters though. You've got, you've got a good hair.

• 3:54:59Speaker 02

  I voted because when I saw Trump, I went, guys, this guy doesn't give a shit. Sorry for my language. He loves America from the eighties. He was sitting on freaking, uh, talk shows going, America, I love America. And he fought for this freaking, every time he had a chance, they all loved him on The View and all these things. But to be just a blind, I'm just going to go for it because guess what? I voted for him. The only time, first time I voted was Trump. I voted again in 2020 and I voted again in 2024. All right. But you have to be able to say, besides the optimism, you have to be able to say like, what is right in front of me? When you see a train coming out, you can't be like, man, Mickey, that's not, that's, that could be something else. It could be, no, no.

• 3:55:40Speaker 02

  That's a train and you have to admit it. And I understand about the halftime thing, but the adjustment has to happen, Patrick. Now you notice that Santa's doing his thing. J D Vance, well, what she was talking about, Ann Coulter was talking about, was when, um, J D Vance said, and I think he did on purpose, uh, when Trump said, he said that J D Vance was unenthusiastic about the war. That was a very, very key moment because that separated him for a potential 2028 where he could say, hey, you play the tape, the Trump was, the president.

• 3:56:10Speaker 04

  was talking about me not wanting this war but this guy right here has helped me and it's not just a gimmick the future looks bright I'm a Christian I'm not one of these just cross wearing I go to church on Sunday no I believe in it I believe Jesus Christ what he did what he said and I'm telling you guys right now we're going to be fine but we have to fight

• 3:56:28Speaker 00

  fricking great message I love it

• 3:56:31Speaker 04

  we gotta fight

• 3:56:31Speaker 00

  I'm with you I'm with you Tom do we have anything going on Tom just gave me an update on Vivek what's going on with Vivek what's the latest

• 3:56:38Speaker 04

  let's go take a look at Ohio governor this is closer than people thought

• 3:56:43Speaker 00

  it's funny because this is what they thought was gonna be a bloodbath like everybody thought this is the one that's gonna be by 20 points you know

• 3:56:49Speaker 04

  yeah that's absolutely correct but what you have right now Amy Acton at 50.7% Vivek at 46 she's up just under 5 points 191,000 it is a big run there's already 4 million votes counted and we're sitting here today with you know up over almost 85% of the vote in so this is a big road up for Vivek it doesn't look like he's gonna get there but it is not the 8 or 9 point victory that many of the late polls and the prediction markets had when there was so much negative publicity around the things that Vivek had said this ended up being closer so this is one area where they were right about one thing that the core of Ohio were Republicans that were gonna come out on election day and vote en

• 3:57:33Speaker 04

  masse they were correct just not enough of them came through and Amy Acton I can't call it just yet but we're we're up over 8 at 85% Pat so it's a it's gonna be a real run but it is you know relatively close I want to Tom guys you one question while you're there if Vivek didn't say the comments that he said about Americans and being lazy if Tom if he didn't talk about that Tommy is he winning this race if he didn't say those comments when you look at this and see that it's only 191,000 votes 4.7% and you rewind this campaign and Vivek is more core America rather than an elitist group versus other groups

• 3:58:13Speaker 04

  then core America carries Ohio presidents win when they win Ohio and Ohio has classically been Rust Belt but it's exactly what you see the rusty Cleveland then Cincinnati but the rest of it heavily heavily conservative but look how it moved it moved 15 points versus how it voted for Trump take a look at those blue arrows Vivek speaks about core exceptionalism of Americans and kids in school rather than creating elite tiers which made him look very elite if he doesn't say that Vinnie I think this is a whole different race especially when you see Ohioans that have come out and they're sitting there only 5 points apart

• 3:58:57Speaker 03

  I just want to give you know I like my shout outs can we just give a round of applause for Tom Ellsworth the biz dog I mean I've been coming up to him all night what's going on what's going on MSNBC's got Steve Kornacki CNN's got Harry and we got the biz dog with the biz dog board over here and I'm just thankful for you Tom we're filling us in all night thank you

• 3:59:16Speaker 00

  Tom just say I want you to say this here's a deal I'm the best I'm the best there's ever been I pissed okay go ahead Adam you gonna make a point or just give your shout out okay Vivek's got a point go for it

• 3:59:26Speaker 04

  here's the deal this is our software and we're the best

• 3:59:29Speaker 03

  no I I was just gonna say like it you take for granted that you're gonna have the support of the base and it's a big big mistake to do and when people were issuing the criticism back in the day and the deep state accountability and then it's just wait just wait you know it takes time to do this and then oh we couldn't do it because we were distracted with your other demands and then lo and behold nothing gets done and then you talk about activist judges blocking Trump's agenda which they were you had the power to impeach them or at least threaten impeachment you didn't and so you didn't do that which was necessary to ensure that this was not just a transitional presidency into Democrat rule but a transformational presidency presidency that it started off as and you had the tools of power to do it and you didn't and then you tried to blackmail and emotionally extort your supporters into

• 4:00:14Speaker 03

  voting for you because the alternative would have been worse

• 4:00:16Speaker 00

  I got my next panel that's coming up Adam if you're gonna say something 30 seconds

• 4:00:21Speaker 03

  I actually have a question for you you've talked about public losses and public humiliations this is a bad loss for Trump this goes to him and I want to know what you would do as a leader of a country as a leader of a company how do you you know get back get back with your team get back with your administration and say guys we got 2 years left here's what we're doing as a leader as a CEO if you were in Trump's ear how would you handle something like this a public humiliation loss like this yes sir

• 4:00:48Speaker 00

  what

• 4:00:49Speaker 03

  well what would you do

• 4:00:50Speaker 00

  you want me to read you what he tweeted let me read this tweet one more time you ready I wasn't on the ballot and if I was he would we would have won in a landslide no but you don't understand like that that is undermining everybody but here's the problem let me tell you what I said to me my whole thing with this list right is what we need a bench we talked about people under 40 we need a bench I'm trying anyways I'm doing something behind closed doors to develop the next layer of killers that are gonna be running for office that's what we're gonna be doing we're gonna build the next kings I'm trying to be the kingmaker here of getting the next talent coming up everything we're

• 4:01:33Speaker 00

  doing here this is gonna be happening for a while but we need to teach to fight we need to realize there's no more Trump's endorsement is a guarantee it's not just because you're endorsed by Trump that is no longer this is gonna go to a completely different route and remember what Ann said Ann said JD is now at the top Rubio drops Rubio's gonna want to go make money Ron DeSantis comes up Ron is gonna have a pretty good thing going for himself going into 2028 but for me we have to get past the president he's done his part he's gonna go in the history books and I have a feeling this is just gonna be the beginning because he has the DNA and the wiring this is the only concern I got

• 4:02:12Speaker 00

  he's got the DNA and the wiring of vengeance and I hope after tonight he doesn't drink but I hope he goes and does his thing eats his good food good meatballs all the stuff that he's doing I hope the vengeance is not gonna be at the at the cost of the Republican Party but Republicans have to identify who's next you salute you say thank you what's gonna be happening next and if that's not gonna be happening this could be a lost 2028 in a massive way not in a small way so well I'll give you the fine awards and I guys I gotta bring the next people on

• 4:02:46Tom Ellsworth?

  I was just gonna say I said this on your show when I was on your show and we didn't totally talk about it but I said there is a problem with Vivek being an Indian guy who's a Hindi instead of a you know white Christian American guy and I think that played a lot a large pot part in this I think that if the Republicans instead of Vivek would have ran a white Christian guy you would have seen a different

• 4:03:07Speaker 00

  I don't know about that and let me tell you what I mean by I don't know about that maybe the Hindi my opinion we can dispute that and have the debate I I think the part is look I'm a guest to America I wasn't born here how many guys were born here raise your hand if you were born here I'm a guest so I think when you're coming from that standpoint you have to be very respectful when you're in someone's land and you have to speak about it in a certain way now he was also born here so to his credit I'm not saying he was not but sometimes when you see a brown person especially not Hispanic brown but Middle Eastern or Hindu brown you automatically think they're not born here you know you

• 4:03:48Speaker 00

  don't think that about everybody else you have to make sure the way you communicate you have to be extra sensitive about how grateful you are for living here and the money you've created you can't have this kind of an attitude nobody likes that kind of an attitude nobody when I was a kid the kids we would bully were the snobby kids we had these rich Armenian kids that would walk around and come to school with a BMW those are the kids that would get beat up or punked or bullied but there was a kid that was from a rich white kid you know from a rich family he was the nicest guy never looked down at us he hung out with us I'm like this is a fricking phenomenal guy so I think that part when you kind of have your nose up and you think you're better than it you can only

• 4:04:33Speaker 00

  fake that for so long

• 4:04:34Tom Ellsworth?

  but you just said that the that if when you see someone who looks like maybe Middle Eastern or Hindi or Indian whatever it is that you automatically think that the person might not be from here right

• 4:04:44Speaker 00

  I don't think for one for position number one as a president that's gonna be problematic but I think for position of a governor senator some of those things dude we just had a Muslim guy whose sister said the Muslim Brotherhood senator just won

• 4:05:01Tom Ellsworth?

  but that was a Democrat right that was a Democrat versus a Republican

• 4:05:04Speaker 00

  I understand that I think I think the values for me is gonna be more Christian conservative proud American grateful military you have to have certain pedigree to be able to speak about that and unfortunately that was missing guys I gotta I gotta get the next I got I got Steve-O here make some noise for these guys

• 4:05:21Tom Ellsworth?

  thank you guys

• 4:05:23Speaker 00

  thank you thank you thank you to everybody guys did great appreciate you buddy yes all right next group I want to bring up for the first time we got Steve-O Vinnie you stick around here Lindy Lee Ben Ben wants to fight folks he's ready to fight we got Jeff Snyder if he's up there Elon and Jera let me come around man

• 4:05:44Speaker 06

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• 4:06:16Speaker 07

  para los grandes para los chicos para los bajos y los altos los pacifistas los valientes para los optimistas y los pesimistas los que valoran lo de adentro para los que están lejos los que no vende lejos y los que no vende cerca para los introvertidos y los extrovertidos para los que piensan y los que hacen para los que nos mostraron el camino Coca-Cola para todos compra una Coca-Cola en una tienda cerca de usted

• 4:06:46Speaker 00

  all right grab a seat finally having him here I love talking to Steve-O and his pops when you guys come down and the debates and the arguments that we do so Ben I'll come to you first you got a smile on your face how you feeling

• 4:07:05Tom Ellsworth?

  oh I feel great

• 4:07:06Speaker 00

  tell us why

• 4:07:07Tom Ellsworth?

  uh because one of the first thing you asked me tonight was about what I thought was gonna happen and I was cautious I didn't want to I didn't want to exaggerate but it looks like you know there's the blue wave is big enough to capture Texas Kansas South Carolina this this is this is big this This looks to me like a massive repudiation of the Trump administration. And I'll say one other thing, too. I've been hearing a lot of people tonight saying it's all about the war in Iran, and that definitely didn't help. That was definitely a big part of it. But I do not think you can pin it all on that. Trump has been very unpopular. A lot of things he's done in the last

• 4:07:51Speaker 00

  So you're saying if he doesn't go to war, the same results would happen tonight?

• 4:07:54Tom Ellsworth?

  If he doesn't go to war, it's probably not this bad. But

• 4:07:59Speaker 00

  So, so give it, like, break it down.

• 4:08:00Tom Ellsworth?

  He was unpopular before the war in Iran.

• 4:08:01Speaker 00

  You think Talarico still wins?

• 4:08:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Maybe not. But I think that the, uh, but I think that, um, I think that he was still very unpopular before he decided

• 4:08:10Speaker 00

  Did you hear what Ann Coulter said? Did you, did you listen to what Ann Coulter said?

• 4:08:12Tom Ellsworth?

  What did Ann Coulter say?

• 4:08:13Speaker 04

  I never thought that I was gonna be listening to Ann Coulter and be like, you go, girl. You're here. I, I was really with her.

• 4:08:22Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, I mean, because when she said that, she's like, what the, what CNN and MSNBC, MSN, right? Not MSNBC, because they lost two letters.

• 4:08:30Speaker 04

  It's got MSNBC.

• 4:08:31Speaker 00

  I'm so, MSNBC, forgive me. Thank you for correcting me.

• 4:08:33Speaker 04

  I haven't clicked on

• 4:08:34Speaker 00

  I am so grateful for you correcting me. That was gonna add the two letters. But, uh, you know, the left has that tendency of adding letters. They like to keep adding letters, but that's a completely different story. But Ben, question to you.

• 4:08:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 4:08:45Speaker 00

  Ann said on CNN, on MSNBC, on everybody, they're saying, oh, it's because of the tariffs, it's because of this, it's because of that, it's because, nothing about Iran, okay? Do you, do you have that same position?

• 4:08:56Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I, I think Iran was huge, but I, I also think it's coped to say that it was just Iran, because I remember before Iran, like back in, you know, Iran started in February, back in December, back in January, every time there was a big Trump controversy, you know, something happened, like the shootings in Minneapolis, there was always about a third of the country in polls that sided with Trump, and about two-thirds that didn't. And so I think saying everything would have been totally fine and copacetic if not for the Iran war, I think that that's not grappling with just how unpopular Trump has been in general.

• 4:09:33Speaker 00

  Okay, so let me tell you guys, we got a friend of ours here. Do we have, uh, our, our buddy, the, the weightlifter that can do two plates, I think 25 times, like a combine? Do we have Steven Crowder with us or not? Let me see those shoulders. Where's his traps at? Do we have Crowder with us or no? From the great

• 4:09:50Speaker 03

  I'm right here, can you not see me?

• 4:09:51Speaker 00

  How you doing? How you feeling? How you doing?

• 4:09:54Speaker 03

  The Persian Hammer. I knew, I needed words of comfort, because I said, hey, you know what? The fight continues. This guy knows how to fight.

• 4:10:01Speaker 00

  Patrick Moran for God's sake.

• 4:10:02Speaker 03

  He framed me for a crime.

• 4:10:03Speaker 00

  So Steven, let me ask you, you keep telling everybody they can impersonate me better than everybody else. Let me hear it.

• 4:10:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, I'm not gonna do an impersonation of you, because the Persian Hammer, there's only one, right? There's only one guy who's a, who's a Persian Hammer, there are other people, might be other kinds, right, of hammers, my man, but only one Persian Hammer, look at those biceps.

• 4:10:21Speaker 00

  I'll give it to you, I'll give it to you, I'll give it to you. So, so Steven, what are you thinking? What are you, what are you thinking about, you know, you, you've been very instrumental specifically last 12 months, and I've always been a fan of what you've done, but what do you, what do you think about what's going on today? Lots been said, a lot of different angles, where are you at?

• 4:10:39Speaker 03

  Well, I will tell you this, um, my main thing is there are legitimate reasons, so we ran this earlier, you know, there was the Mike Rogers tweet that went out everywhere. It was, it was a quote of Mike Rogers. And the quote, with a clip, we do this segment called Clickbait, you know, this week in Clickbait. It said, I joined the US military to serve Israel, and if I join the Senate, I will join the Senate to serve Israel. And it was uploaded natively three or four times with the exact same quote, but the clip, he doesn't say anything like that, at all, whatsoever. And that had millions of plays. And we see a lot of fake news out there, so I think we need to separate real legitimate grievances and where this party has failed, the wake-up call, versus the manufactured issues, versus the fake issues. And my big concern is there's going to be the wrong takeaway. Because statistically, historically, we've talked about this, with this kind of a flip,

• 4:11:21Speaker 03

  there's an 80% chance that Democrats win in 2028. But the more concerning thing is, almost invariably, without exceptions, so if you talk about the Tuckers, and the Fuenteses, the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, the people saying, sit out or vote Democrat, because we'll get someone better, you're going to get a Romney or a McCain. My concern is people look at this and they don't go, hey, this was a referendum on MAGA, on Trumpism, no longer, no longer serving the movement, but serving this sort of insular, almost a new swamp, but they think the Republican Party needs to moderate, because that would be the wrong takeaway. And that's my concern, otherwise, my job doesn't change, right? The fight goes on every day. But what do you, what's your major takeaway here?

• 4:12:00Speaker 00

  I, I think Ron DeSantis is the big winner. I think he is the biggest winner right now. He's sitting around and everybody is saying, Ron, good for you. Why? And I'll tell you why. Because all the other states lost, Byron Donalds looks like he won because of Byron Donalds. But Byron Donalds won, good for him, I'm not disputing anything about him running, Byron Donalds won because Ron DeSantis crushed running the state of Florida the way that he did the last eight years, and he's now handing it over to somebody else, six years, whatever the time, I think it's eight years. So I think Ron, everybody in the state won, all the other people didn't. So this is an opportunity where Ron DeSantis, by the way, can you do me a favor? Pull up Kalshi on Ron DeSantis right now.

• 4:12:43Speaker 00

  I'm wondering on what the trading right now is, Ron, if anybody's a trader on Kalshi, if anybody's a trader, this may not, no, no, no, I want, the one that shows all the different candidates, you know which one I'm talking about? The one that shows all the different candidates. I want to know where Ron is on that list right now. Can you pull him up? I'll give you a second for you to find it, when you guys pull that up.

• 4:13:05Speaker 03

  I always feel like when you say, I always feel like when you say, I'll give you a second to pull it up, someone's getting fired.

• 4:13:09Speaker 00

  Oh, by the way,

• 4:13:10Speaker 03

  Because they're not getting what you want.

• 4:13:12Speaker 00

  Why are you leaking my strategy on how I build my business? You're making it feel like I'm fired. We did a video the other day, everybody knows Tom fires everyone. I don't fire, Tom's the one. You guys do, you guys miss, I'm so sick of this, of you guys thinking Tom's this nice little sweetheart. Every day, Tom fires five people. I have to hire 10 people every day for Tom firing five people. This guy's got a temper. Nobody sees it, they all think he's a nice Christian guy. I'm sick of it, honestly, all the negative reviews I'm getting.

• 4:13:41Speaker 03

  Hey, calm down, calm down. If people know one thing about me, it's that I say, no, no, don't be tired of it, because if people know one thing about me, they all know that I say Tom's a piece of shit. So, you're fine. Tom's a goddamn shit. So don't have this tree. Love you, Tom. Love you, Tom.

• 4:13:59Speaker 00

  Tom.

• 4:14:00Speaker 03

  Gerald McHaney.

• 4:14:01Speaker 00

  Well, he's here. You're about to get fired. Go ahead, Tom.

• 4:14:06Speaker 03

  Oh, boy. Oh, see, that's the face of death. What is this all about?

• 4:14:10Speaker 00

  He's not happy with you. He knows the true you, he knows what you're all about.

• 4:14:13Speaker 03

  Do you have red in?

• 4:14:14Speaker 00

  The words getting out.

• 4:14:15Speaker 03

  Does he have red in his hair?

• 4:14:16Speaker 00

  His words getting out.

• 4:14:17Speaker 03

  Does he have red in his hair?

• 4:14:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, no.

• 4:14:19Speaker 03

  Does Tom have red in his hair?

• 4:14:20Speaker 00

  It's called lights. The light here, we got the red, blue, and white, there's this American flag that has those three colors.

• 4:14:25Speaker 03

  Well, next time, next, well, next time, fire your lighting director, so Tom doesn't look like fucking Rufio. Fucking continue. That's a good point, that's a good point, DeSantis, uh, go.

• 4:14:36Speaker 00

  By the way, that's also an insight, because that top, that's something we gotta follow up on. We had a meeting yesterday saying, why does Pat Herro look, uh, red? Anyways, let me come back to you, let me come back to you. Pull up the Kalshi for me. Pull up the Kalshi for me. Where's Ron DeSantis? He's officially third, okay? And by the way, he's gonna move up very aggressively. So I think he was the winner, I think it was a rough night, maybe the roughest night, and I'm just watching to see how Trump's gonna react. So let me ask you this, what do you think Trump's reaction's gonna be? What do you think's gonna happen next to Trump?

• 4:15:09Speaker 03

  On Truth Social, we saw it, by the way, on Truth Social, where he said, I wasn't on the ballot, but if I was, you can bet that we would have won. And, uh, his White House, someone from White House Communications also tweeted, and this is the problem, it's not a policy issue, it really does, I think people who voted for Donald Trump, absolutely, and rightfully, feel like they have not been listened to. And you see that in the response. This response will be echoed on leftist media for a very long time, and they'll go, look, he's the elitist that we told you he was, instead of helping coalescing and, and galvanizing people for the fight, it's, look, I didn't do it, I don't know what you did, if I was there, we would have won. And I will tell you, that's something that's always bothered me about him, and, uh, he, he highlighted that tonight. It's a personal issue, not a policy one.

• 4:15:48Speaker 00

  So, but what do you think he does the next two years? I asked Beck earlier, and I'm, I'm sure you haven't seen it, because you're running a show yourself as well, you know how Beck did that video last week that went viral about, hey, I haven't said this since 2008, I'm concerned about what's gonna happen next? What do you think he does the next 60 days, between now and when the Democrats take over the House and the Senate? What does he do next 60 days?

• 4:16:10Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know, but we do actually have some breaking information here, if you're good for this. I don't know if you guys called this yet, but, uh, we just got it, Kansas, the Senate in Kansas, right now, we are officially calling, and, uh, you're gonna cut out for a second, you'll be able to see this, but, uh, the Kansas Senate, unfortunately, is going to the Democrat, Adam Hamilton.

• 4:16:28Speaker 00

  We called that already.

• 4:16:30Speaker 04

  Is it official that it's Democratic?

• 4:16:34Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:16:35Speaker 04

  Congress and Senate?

• 4:16:36Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, it's done, done.

• 4:16:37Speaker 03

  Oh, it's chambers.

• 4:16:38Speaker 00

  Yes. What do you think about that?

• 4:16:40Speaker 04

  Uh, does that mean that Iran war ends?

• 4:16:42Speaker 00

  Can you mute that, by the way, guys? On the back, Jake, lower the audio, I'm gonna mute it. Yeah, both of them.

• 4:16:48Speaker 04

  Does, does that increase the odds of this goddamn war in Iran ending sooner?

• 4:16:53Speaker 00

  Not the next 60 days. So not the next 60 days. He's got, Jeff, what do you think? What do you think he's gonna do next 60 days?

• 4:16:59Speaker 03

  Oh, I think there's an attack in Iran tomorrow.

• 4:17:01Speaker 04

  Well, wasn't there?

• 4:17:02Speaker 00

  No, that was because they shot down a drone and he hit. So, nobody got hurt. Nothing's happened yet.

• 4:17:09Speaker 01

  PBD, I think Democrats are incentivized to prolong the war to ensure that they have a higher chance of winning in 2028.

• 4:17:16Speaker 00

  Think you're right.

• 4:17:16Speaker 01

  Do not underestimate their Machiavellian tendencies. They will do anything to take back the White House.

• 4:17:23Tom Ellsworth?

  God, I wish that were true.

• 4:17:24Speaker 01

  That, I mean, that is true.

• 4:17:26Tom Ellsworth?

  The idea that Democrats are these Machiavellian masterminds rather than...

• 4:17:31Speaker 01

  Dude, I was with them my entire life.

• 4:17:33Tom Ellsworth?

  I know, I know, I know.

• 4:17:34Speaker 01

  The highest echelons of the party.

• 4:17:35Tom Ellsworth?

  But we could all read the news.

• 4:17:36Speaker 01

  I've never seen them there.

• 4:17:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Right, we could all read the news. We know that Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and all these people are unfortunately not...

• 4:17:44Speaker 00

  You don't think Hillary Clinton is Machiavellian?

• 4:17:46Tom Ellsworth?

  I wish they were.

• 4:17:47Speaker 00

  You don't think Hillary Clinton is Machiavellian? You don't think Barack Obama's Machiavellian?

• 4:17:50Tom Ellsworth?

  So, we're going back to Hillary Clinton who controls what now?

• 4:17:54Speaker 00

  No, you don't think Barack Obama's Machiavellian?

• 4:17:57Tom Ellsworth?

  So, okay, so now we're going back to 2016. That was the last time.

• 4:18:01Speaker 01

  I don't think you know how the party works.

• 4:18:04Speaker 04

  Have never been Machiavellian?

• 4:18:05Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I'm not saying Democrats have never been Machiavellian. I'm saying the current leadership is pretty, is pretty spineless, unfortunately.

• 4:18:12Speaker 01

  Barack Obama continues to exert profound influence on the direction of the party because there is now a power vacuum. It's either that or Zohra Mhamdani. So, the establishment of the DNC has actually turned back to Barack Obama. He's become the figurehead. So, yes, indeed, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are incredibly relevant and don't think that Chuck Schumer is making decisions on his own. He is taking orders from his big donors and from people like Barack Obama. They are listening to him.

• 4:18:43Speaker 04

  And the general rhetoric on the left to embrace even political violence has increased tremendously over the past years. You saw it post Charlie Kirk. You see people on the left celebrating on Halloween Charlie Kirk's assassination. That's been happening tonight.

• 4:18:56Tom Ellsworth?

  So, you're, so, I'm sorry, but you're talking about individual random people's Halloween costumes. There wasn't a single, there was not a single prominent person on the left who condoned what happened to Charlie Kirk or in fact did condemn it.

• 4:19:12Speaker 04

  I can, I can pull up a video for, I don't have a video here, but there are videos, forget Charlie Kirk's promotion, there are videos of, obviously, I don't have the tech technology, but I'll send, I'll DM it to you, of, of a highlight of, go out there and whoever said protest has to be peaceful, you should go harass people in the streets. It's like this rhetoric that is endorsing from legitimate political figures. So, it's not just, you know, coming from, there's, it's trickled down to some extent that what's endorsed at the top is starting to be endorsed at the bottom and you are seeing a trend where...

• 4:19:42Tom Ellsworth?

  So, who's the person on the top who's endorsed political violence?

• 4:19:44Speaker 04

  I saw it today with Elon Musk.

• 4:19:47Tom Ellsworth?

  I mean, Elon Musk has certainly endorsed political violence.

• 4:19:51Speaker 04

  They talked about calling Elon Musk a traitor and treating him like the Rosenbergs.

• 4:19:56Speaker 01

  We were talking about the Iran war and somehow we got sidelined to Charlie Kirk's Halloween costumes. But I do want to say, when you answer your question, there are a number of videos of Nancy Pelosi espousing violence, like, go fight in the streets, go do that. So, you can't, you can't just pretend it doesn't happen.

• 4:20:12Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I'm sorry. The idea that Nancy Pelosi advocates political violence is something that might get taken seriously in this room.

• 4:20:19Speaker 01

  There are videos.

• 4:20:20Tom Ellsworth?

  But you're not going to get that taken seriously anywhere else.

• 4:20:22Speaker 01

  You cannot deny that there are videos.

• 4:20:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, I certainly can.

• 4:20:24Speaker 01

  Excuse me, you're just speaking over me.

• 4:20:25Tom Ellsworth?

  I think any video that you're interpreting that way, I think, has been taken hopelessly out of context.

• 4:20:30Speaker 00

  Ben, let her give her, go for it.

• 4:20:31Speaker 01

  I, I don't speak over you, so, please don't speak over me. But I, I think we should go back to the more important issue of the Iran war and it's just deeply unfortunate. I left my party to support this administration, to support this Republican Party, and I see dozens of tweets out there saying, oh, is Lyndy Lee going to switch back? Sorry, PBD, you're stuck with me. I'm going down with the ship, guys. But I do want to say this. Two years ago, conservatives were filled with hope. We, we had historic coalition. We had minorities. We had young people. We had Latinos. We had Asians. And it was such an amazing opportunity to unify the country behind a positive agenda. And I feel like

• 4:21:14Speaker 01

  we squandered that in late February. I feel like, also, I hate to bring it up, but it is deeply mentioned, mentioned frequently. It's the Epstein files. A lot of young Americans are really despondent over that. And we can't just pretend it doesn't exist.

• 4:21:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, Jeff pulled up something that was really interesting earlier. The 88% of people voted based on the economy. And it, it all comes down, in my opinion, and Jeff gave me a good talking to back there. There, there's certain cyclical realities in the economy and there's some really, really interesting trends. And there's unfortunate realities that when people are feeling like their life isn't going how they wanted, that they took a risk and they voted on someone and then they're stuck there and the messaging is so disconnected. It's so disconnected. When Trump came out and he said, we're in a golden era for the economy just recently, that's a disconnected comment that reverberates to Ameri, it hits them especially hard when they put their trust into Trump and then they're feeling like they're now struggling to pay for groceries. They're struggling. And that's why you do see all this, you know,

• 4:22:14Speaker 04

  what, what Crowder was talking about, all this manipulative messaging that's not honest, where it's like, well, we're, we're paying, you know, this much money because we're sending money to Israel. You could do all those things because there is a real grievance to take advantage of. That allows all that other messaging. I'll let you take over, Jeff, because I know you're... You asked earlier, Talarico, he, he had this election sewn up last year. We saw this last year in the off, off-year elections, but it was Virginia and New Jersey. The amount of anger, the amount of disconnect, it's, it was not just, the Iran war was, like I said earlier, the Iran war was sort of the last straw. The anger, let's, let's be honest here, the American people are pissed off. They're pissed off in a big, huge way. And

• 4:22:56Speaker 04

  like you said, Elon, the messaging has just been completely disconnected. Republicans sort of went with the idea that the affordability crisis made up by Democrats. That was the exact wrong thing.

• 4:23:07Speaker 01

  You realize this is the same exact battle that Biden had on his hands. He had to somehow convince the American people that the economy was better than it was. And obviously, the Biden economics became a laughing stock. But I also want to point out, guys...

• 4:23:21Speaker 00

  Well, that's because nothing changed. Trump came in office saying, I'm going to build this great economy.

• 4:23:25Speaker 01

  Well, inflation, did you know?

• 4:23:26Speaker 00

  It didn't.

• 4:23:27Speaker 01

  Inflation is around 3.7% right now.

• 4:23:29Speaker 00

  Inflation's not the problem.

• 4:23:30Speaker 01

  Hold on a second. Inflation today is higher than it was when Trump entered office. So, he can no longer say that it's Biden's fault. But just to put it into macroeconomic perspective, this is the single biggest repudiation of a political party since 1974, Jimmy Carter, okay? This is the scale and the magnitude of today's loss. Today was a very big deal.

• 4:23:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, but there was, there was massive complacency that took place on the right.

• 4:23:56Speaker 00

  I want to do this.

• 4:23:57Speaker 01

  Don't even get me started on that.

• 4:23:58Speaker 00

  I want to go to Jerah, and for some of you guys that don't know who Jerah is, Jerah's been a friend of ours for many, many years. And Jerah was an insider with Ken Paxton. So, Ken Paxton, who looks like Tom, can you tell us how far behind Ken, what, is it done, done by how many millions? I want to know actually by how many millions Talarico won against Paxton?

• 4:24:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, here we go.

• 4:24:19Speaker 00

  If you don't mind sharing that.

• 4:24:20Tom Ellsworth?

  We'll go to Texas Senate right here and James Talarico is sitting right now 1.395 with 70% reported on the nose.

• 4:24:29Speaker 00

  Unbelievable. And so, I want to get your insight, but before we do so, let me go to one thing that I've been very excited about. You know, for us, if Angel Studios comes out with a movie, we watch it as a family. It doesn't matter if it's Washington, Runner, you name it, they come out with a Sound of Freedom, we're going to go watch the movie. One thing I'm excited, I remember first time I met these guys at Angel Studio, we were in LA, we sat down and they told me about their Angels Guild. Like, they literally would bring commercials of a movie and they will allow the people that pay the membership on a monthly basis to score if they like it or not. Then they would fund it and they would say, well, I don't like this, I don't like that. And the users, the number of people that are using Angel Studios, the movies that they're making, you get to say yea, nay,

• 4:25:12Speaker 00

  and then they fund the movies and the movies becomes on the big screen. So, if you're somebody that's watching this and you're not yet a member of Angel Studios with what they're doing, I would go on their website, angel.com, movies, shows for the whole family. They got different kind of basic $12 a month. They got one with $18 and 20 month, $20 a month for a premium. You can also do it annually. But I would go to angel.com. I'm excited. There's a story that came out the other day about Angel, that they don't do movies with F-bombs, they don't do sex scenes, and so, family-friendly, take your kids, take your family, you don't have to worry about any of that stuff. So, go to angel.com, become a member now. So, with that being said, Jerah, you live in Texas, right? You're a pro Second

• 4:25:57Speaker 00

  Amendment person. You've trained us. I think we brought you in one time. You trained, I think it was 30 of us, 20 of us, I don't know what the number was, on going out there, getting trained on how do you, you, you've done this for a long time, but you were an insider working with Paxton. When was the moment for you where you said, I don't know if this is going to work? Was there one? What did you learn?

• 4:26:15Speaker 01

  We've had a lot of really high-level commentary tonight, and I think that this is a really good opportunity to bring it down to the local level. So, for those of you who don't know me, I'm Jared Turner. I'm a precinct chair in Texas. And what we do is, we are the grassroots. We're the ones that are going and knocking on doors. We're having the conversations on people's porches with them about how they're feeling. And a lot of that, you have spoken to tonight, and they are feeling this way. They're not happy with the Iran war. They're not happy with the economy. But I, I have a little bit of a different perspective on this because I campaigned for Paxton. I campaigned for other Republican candidates. To see this tonight, it's very sad and heartbreaking. And

• 4:27:00Speaker 01

  to be frank, I'm, I'm a little pissed off. And I think that Ken Paxton owes us an apology. He owes the grassroots an apology. We broke our backs. We put thousands of miles on our Nikes in neighborhoods, having porch conversations with people, trying to get them to understand that they should vote on policy because Talarico's policies are awful, okay? Paxton has better policies, but... He didn't put in the effort. And that's what's so frustrating for us is he rode that wave of the primaries where he beat Cornyn. And he, and he, he thought he could ride that. He thought he could ride endorsements into the, into the midterms. And so he didn't put in the effort that was needed. That's the problem.

• 4:27:43Speaker 00

  How many people feel like you? How many people feel like you? Who were working on the campaign?

• 4:27:48Speaker 01

  Almost every precinct chair in Tarrant County. And here's, and here's something that, here's, here's something that you need to know. I live in Tarrant County.

• 4:27:55Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 4:27:56Speaker 01

  So, Tarrant County was the last Republican urban stronghold in Texas. And it is gone. It's gone. Harris County is blue. Travis County is blue. Tarrant County is now blue. All of the Republican judges, gone. Tonight, y'all. This is a big deal. This is a huge deal for us. Texas is gone. And we have until 2028 to try to reverse course and make this better. But Paxton is a big culprit here. And I'm really mad at him. We did a lot of work. We did a lot of groundwork for him.

• 4:28:36Speaker 01

  Do you understand the uncomfortable conversations that we had to have with people on their porches? About the decisions that this man made in public, in his marriage, going on vacation with his mistress? In the middle of a campaign? And we had to try to find creative ways to still get people to the polls? The evangelical Republicans are pissed off at this man right now. He owes us a huge apology and I want it. And you said something earlier that I have to push back on. I don't know if you can tell how angry I am right now. But I have to push back on you. You said earlier in the, in the podcast that if, if Paxton won this race, he owed it to one man. And that was Elon Musk. I disagree. It's very easy to write a check to a campaign.

• 4:29:20Speaker 01

  If he won this tonight, it would be because the grassroots got him there. The people who were walking the streets and knocking on doors and getting people to the polls and poll greeting. That is who he would have owed. But he squandered it and he put it and he shit all over it because he spent too much time talking about how weird Talarico is. Instead of his plan to better Texas.

• 4:29:43Speaker 00

  Lindy.

• 4:29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just, I appreciate that. That was fantastic. Thank you. I think if the American people, I want every, your, what you just said on every screen in every living room in America. That was so important. Although I will say, the smartest thing for him to do was not to run at all. It should have been Cornyn. It should have been Cornyn. We would have won Texas tonight had it been Cornyn. We squandered so much money trying to prop up a candidate whose own wife had trouble endorsing him. I mean, what does that tell you? What does that tell you? That's all you need to know about the quality of this candidate. We spent so much money and time and resources propping up candidates who had no business running. South Carolina should not have gone down tonight, folks.

• 4:30:29Speaker 01

  That was an unforced error. And you know what? And you know what? You're right. And, and, and, and maybe you're right about Cornyn. I don't really know. But you, you really said it, Pat, earlier the other day where you said, you know, don't, don't pick your favorite kids too early. Um, you know, we, we've said it several times tonight that we need better candidates and that the Republican Party has to turn out, um, you know, a better product. But I think that one of the nails in the coffin for Paxton too is that he refused to debate. And that was a big thing that I saw on people's porches and in their yards and on the streets when I was talking to people. I knocked the door, I knocked thousands of doors. The precinct chairs in, in Texas knocked thousands of doors, had hundreds of thousands of conversations with people. And they said, why wouldn't Paxton debate?

• 4:31:13Speaker 01

  Talarico was ready to debate. You know, so we opened this door for this Trojan horse that, you know, that Talarico has just kind of pulled in on a leash with this velvet cage that he's presenting to people where they are sacrificing their independence for comfort and lies. And, and we opened it up. We did it because the Republican Party got complacent and, and Paxton is probably the most disappointing of them all.

• 4:31:37Speaker 04

  I think people didn't vote blue tonight. They voted against red. And like, so they, they, the very complacency, the frustrations you're experiencing, everything you're seeing. People are looking. I'm looking for authenticity in the people that represent me. I'm looking for some degree of honesty. I want to know that what I'm putting my energy into, my future into, is actually going to pay me back somehow. I don't care about the person who's not in control. I care about the person who is in control. And so if I'm not getting what I need in that case, I'll do whatever it takes. I'll, and I think this is a backlash toward that. And you see a lot of people who don't care how bad they might see it on the left. They're just pissed off at the right and they're voting out of that frustration and that anger. It's not necessarily that they support anything on the other side.

• 4:32:22Speaker 04

  It's that they're frustrated with what they're seeing in front of them and how they were represented. And so it's very, very hard. Again, if you don't come back, and I think honestly, I hope this is a huge wake up call for the right. I think sometimes, you know, you gotta get punched in the mouth and then, and then it's how you get back up.

• 4:32:37Speaker 00

  Let me, let me say this though. Let me say this. Everybody that we've had here on the panel, we're about to wrap up here and finish it off. And it's, it's, uh, to me, you know, I'm very optimistic about the future. Nothing changes with mine. But of everybody that we had on the panel here tonight, no one was vested for an election more than a Jera. She's vested. I remember one time we're in DC, this is after Trump won, and I'm at this guy's house. I don't know whose house it was, beautiful house. And I'm talking to the guy that was working in Pennsylvania to get all the signatures and go out there and do all the things. And he was telling me how hard these guys were working. By the way, I, I don't know if you know the schedules of what they do. Their work, they got jobs, family, all this stuff running around, making calls. It's a lot of work.

• 4:33:22Speaker 00

  The part that you have to be thinking about is Trump did his part. 30 stops in two weeks. It's not like he didn't go to the stops. He didn't sit there and not do anything about his part. Then everybody was waiting, well, if Trump comes, it's going to be done. We're going to win. Everything's going to work itself out. It's not. I hope this becomes a learning lesson to see what's going to happen next. What I'm interested in is the biggest losers and winners of what the Democrats are going to do these 60 days. These 60 days. So what Trump's going to do these next 60 days than what they're going to be doing next two years. If they push hard, Trump's going to win and another person's going to win in 2028. If they go with a different strategy, it could be an AOC in 2028.

• 4:34:04Speaker 00

  If the war continues, AOC folks will be your president in 2028. You know what a lot of people are going to say? There is no way in the world somebody like that's going to win. There is no way an Abdullah Sides is going to win. There is no way in the world that James Talarico is going to win. And you know what you're going to say in 2028? There is no way in the world AOC, holy shit, AOC is the president 2028.

• 4:34:24Speaker 04

  I've been with Trump.

• 4:34:25Speaker 00

  God, that's. I've been saying this for two years.

• 4:34:27Speaker 01

  They have to go through Jon Ossoff and Gavin Newsom first, right?

• 4:34:29Speaker 00

  The Newsom is a, such a flip flopper. He has no backbone. At least you know what AOC stands for. Nobody knows what the hell Newsom stands for. One day he's Prop 40, one day he's Prop 42, one day he's for the wealth tax, one day he's not. He has no backbone. He's not a marketable guy. I can't get behind a guy like that. But AOC will at least get people because she's a true believer in what she believes in. And that today, if the number one draft pick on who's going to win 2020 at election, if everything goes the way it is today, AOC is your president in 2028. If the Republicans don't get their act together and change and realize shit's really on the line, that, that's what's going to happen. Now, I'm not saying it's going to happen to you. Republicans are going to go back, back to the drawing board, strategy. What are we going to do? What do we do with money? You know what else we learned? You know what else we learned?

• 4:35:14Speaker 00

  We learned $400 million means nothing for Musk. He put $400 million of his own money. He put $160 million in Texas. Nothing. Talarico destroyed Paxton.

• 4:35:26Speaker 04

  But again, we saw that.

• 4:35:26Speaker 00

  So, a, a part of that is to show that the money in politics didn't mean anything this year. This is a very big argument for the Democrats to make. That we won without the big guy because he's going to bring a billion dollars in 2028. You know what? Think about what you're thinking if you're Elon. How pissed off are you? So she went and did the legwork, right? Going to knocking on doors. He put up the money. What is he thinking about? What is he thinking about for 2028? Think about that conversation, right? You don't think he's going to be more selective on seeing who's going to run, who's not going to run? It's going to be an interesting next couple of years.

• 4:36:01Speaker 01

  PBD, there's something that we haven't mentioned at all tonight, if I'm correct. We didn't mention the backlash of gerrymandering, which I, I, in this cycle, I called it dummy-mandering. Because after all that talk, after all these states, you know how many states Republicans gained net? Three. After all that, the billions that were spent on these, redrawing these districts. And so it, it, this actually incited African-American voters, incited Democrats to do everything they could to go to the polls. They even had operations called souls to the polls. So I, I think it's really, we need to be careful about not overplaying our hands. If I could, if I could bring up one more point, um, I think that one of the other issues that we have is the way that sessions are done.

• 4:36:45Speaker 01

  Um, I have, I have floated the idea of changing the Texas constitution because right now we meet every other year, uh, in the odd years, January through May. No, uh, no true, uh, middle-class person, right? No teacher, no lineman, no gun instructor, right? No mom is going to be able to take six months off of work and go to session. So these. These sessions now favor the wealthy as candidates and we can't have that. We need regular, everyday people represented in our House Legislature. And I think that we need to change the Constitution to change our sessions. I would rather have, you know, a two-week session every quarter, right? I can take off work two weeks.

• 4:37:27Speaker 01

  I took a huge financial hit, Pat, to campaign for these people. I mean, I canceled classes. That's my livelihood, to go out and knock on doors, you know, during the day. I wasn't doing this in the evening and on the weekends. I cleared my schedule for these people. And then I got Ken Paxton that ran a half-ass campaign, and that's why we're mad.

• 4:37:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, look, I hope the right people. Can we clip that and post what Jara said at the beginning? I think the market needs to hear that. Because that's raw, that's from the streets, and that's not coming from somebody on the opposing side criticizing you. That's somebody from your own side saying, "What the hell are you doing?" Last but not least, before we wrap up, I'm gonna go to two people. We need our in-depth analysis from the one and only Steve O. Steve, please, I know you're somebody that's hardcore experienced with politics. It's been your thing your entire life. I know sometimes you act like you're not following. I know you do. What are you thinking?

• 4:38:20Speaker 04

  Um, I'm looking at the Kalshi roster of the most likely Republican, you know, primary, fucking JD Vance in first place. Oof.

• 4:38:37Speaker 00

  What do you think?

• 4:38:37Speaker 04

  Oof. Is he really, you know, like, when I look at the Trump administration, from my perspective, I listen to Mark Rubio talk, he seems like the only adult in the room, the way that he talks, the way that, you know, I think Mark Rubio is stronger for you guys than JD Vance.

• 4:39:02Speaker 00

  What do you think on the left? Because right now, Ossoff is above Newsom.

• 4:39:06Speaker 04

  I think Gavin Newsom, no bueno, man.

• 4:39:10Speaker 00

  Why?

• 4:39:10Speaker 04

  I just think he just seems slimy. I think he seems slimy. And his whole thing with, like, Rogan, and it's just like, and like, to your point, flipping the flop and the COVID and he's in the restaurant, you know, it's just a lot of bad stuff. I don't, I don't dig Gavin.

• 4:39:29Speaker 00

  How much time you spend watching politics per week?

• 4:39:32Speaker 04

  Um, I watch fucking Jon Stewart on The Daily Show, man. He is good.

• 4:39:39Speaker 00

  So you watch Jon Stewart? Who else do you watch?

• 4:39:40Speaker 04

  I, I, I love watching Jon Stewart. You know, what I'm most focused on is not even the politics, it's the economy, BBD, the debt, the fucking unsustainable. Now we're looking at the bond yields creating even more interest payments. Are we already over a trillion dollars in interest alone annually?

• 4:40:11Speaker 00

  I think we are, right? Interest payments over a trillion.

• 4:40:13Speaker 04

  I think I...

• 4:40:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:40:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, so we're, like, it's a doom loop, it's a spiral. This is my concern, red, blue, I don't care. My concern is the fucking debt, the, and then you got the AI. But really, what's happening with the AI, my concern is that trillions of dollars of venture capital are being sucked and then it's going out the window because that wealth is...

• 4:40:45Speaker 00

  You know what I can tell you is gonna happen to the stock market tomorrow? It's gonna be a bloodbath tomorrow. When you wake up, I know you're in the business, when you wake up tomorrow, what is it doing right now? Already, it's already down 2.5%. It's gonna be a bloodbath tomorrow when you wake up on the stock market. Tom, Steve O., thank you for that and thank you for coming down. By the way, you stick around for a couple of days or what?

• 4:41:08Speaker 04

  I fly out on Thursday.

• 4:41:11Speaker 00

  Okay, so let's, we'll talk afterwards. Tom, last thoughts. I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave you with the last thoughts. What's going on?

• 4:41:17Speaker 04

  So, final thoughts, it didn't have to be this way. We all know it didn't have to be this way.

• 4:41:21Speaker 00

  That's how a breakup sounds like, you know? He's breaking up with us.

• 4:41:24Speaker 04

  Exactly. If you take a look here, here's the balance of power. 51 are already decided, there's more races that are out there. But I want to go to three and show you just how close it is and what didn't have to happen. Let's go to first to Michigan, right? The seven-point victory is not showing up. He's up 2.4%. He's up 44,000 votes, Abdul Al Sayed, and we've got 1.8 million votes in. And look at how the Upper Peninsula and the, you know, as they say, the thumb, the Peninsula, UP, and all that, you see what's going on down there in Detroit, which you expected. It's pretty amazing, considering that Donald Trump took this 49.7%. Then we go to Mississippi.

• 4:42:09Speaker 04

  Look how close this is. This will shock you. You have, look at this, 12,000 votes and you could potentially have a Democrat senator from Mississippi. Then look at Maine, Susan Collins had had this so long. And look at this, 1.2%, 4,172-vote lead, that's it. These are places that didn't have to be this close. This is what the nation swings on, because this is the Senate. The Senate is the Supreme Court, you know, confirmation hearings. The Senate is where so much ratification comes. The power is in the Senate.

• 4:42:52Speaker 04

  And you take a look at what's happened to these senators, Pat, it didn't have to be this close if there was just some, you know, some, I echo what Jara said, you know? I feel like all the foundations that raise money and they put them into the PACs and they ignore it. It ignores the little man that's out voting. And the little guy that's out voting, that gives 15 bucks to his candidate, knocks on doors and everything, and this is what you get in terms of the campaign, and this is the kind of candidates you get. It is an insult. And so now, on this insult, this is the group that's gonna control the Supreme Court Justice appointment process.

• 4:43:26Speaker 00

  Oh, and there's a lot more to it, there's a lot more to it. But trust me, here's, they're gonna go, when the Republicans won, Trump won in 2024, if you remember, the eight and a half hours of us being live and not using the restroom, and a lot of people thought I had a bathroom down here. I did not. I sweat out the whatever I was dealing with. Everyone's like, "How did you go without peeing for eight and a half hours?" Tonight, I haven't peed for four and a half hours, five and a half hours, but I'm gonna go handle them. Too much information for you, you don't need to know this kind of stuff, but when we do this. If you remember how it ended, Tom, that night, what time was it? 2, 3 o'clock in the morning? I don't know what it was. It was super late. And I said, "Sometimes when you win this big, you get cocky."

• 4:44:10Speaker 00

  This is why very few do back-to-back-to-back championships. The Dodgers missed out on the back-to-back-to-back this year. It's very hard to do back-to-back. What happens? You get cocky, you get arrogant, you think you're gonna keep winning like this. And when you lose, what happens? You step on, you go on the drawing boards. You don't think Republicans are gonna go out there and go on the drawing boards and see what they're gonna be doing next? They learned a lot from this election. This is the first election we had where, what do you call the Kalshi market, all the stuff that you see, it revealed a lot. And to be honest, you know who else was a winner tonight? Kalshi was a winner tonight. They said this was gonna happen, and they were right. So Kalshi's CEO is gonna go out tomorrow and say, "What? I told you guys, we were right."

• 4:44:55Speaker 00

  A lot of people are paying attention to prediction markets. But anyways, to everybody that joined us here, YouTube, C-SPAN, all the people that are still here, some of you guys are smoking cigars in the back, some I'm sure are smoking other things than cigars, but that's a different story. Thanks for tuning in. If you enjoyed it, please do subscribe to the podcast, and we'll do this again on Friday. God bless everybody, take care. Bye-bye, bye-bye.