“The Earpiece Was REAL” - PBD Clears Up Candace Owens vs Andrew Wilson Debate Controversy

Patrick Bet-David reacts to the aftermath of the Candace Owens and Andrew Wilson debate over the Charlie Kirk assassination case. PBD clears up the viral controversy surrounding Wilson’s earpiece, reveals what happened behind the scenes, and breaks down the one poll he believes actually shows whether either side changed minds. ▶️ WATCH FULL PODCAST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1xVNhlNt_o 🎟️ SECURE YOUR 2026 VAULT TICKETS: https://bit.ly/4xU2SCW 🧢 SHOP LIMITED EDITION HAT: https://bit.ly/4zC6TwC 👞 GET THE FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls.

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  Handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a one of one? My son's right there.

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  I think I've ever said this before.

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  All right, hope you guys had a good weekend. Allegedly, apparently, there was a debate that happened on Friday between a couple of different people. And that debate was all over the place. And yeah, you heard about that. And it led to allegations of me selling Dodge cars, which I would never do in a million years. And I have to address that. It's a very important matter. We will get into and I will give you some insights, some stuff on the back end. That we experienced going there. What was it like hospitality treatment? The Andrew Wilson earpiece? The moment of Candace handing me over her phone. And I wanted to say something when I was given the phone. I said, maybe the timing wouldn't have been right. The different things, the clips that have gone viral.

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  We will definitely talk about that today on the podcast. I'm glad they did it. A lot of people sat there and said, I can't believe this conversation is being had. And I can't believe they're doing this, you know, it's only this, it's only that to me. I'm glad they had the conversation. And for those that say, well, Pat was on Candace's side. Pat was on Andrew Wilson's side. Let me tell you what the reality was. The week before doing that debate, if there's anybody that Candace would have had the biggest issues would be Ben Shapiro. I had Ben Shapiro on the podcast the week before. So this was as fair as it could have gotten. We got, I'm glad that they were able to address the issue. So we'll get into that.

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  Aside from that, Fauci apparently called ABC and said, hey, man, don't report on that story. And ABC didn't. And now we're learning about this. So we'll get in. Fauci's just had a rough six months. This has been a rough 2026 for Fauci.

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  And Todd Blanch announced that he was referred to him for criminal.

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  He was?

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  He was.

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  Okay. All right. So we'll talk about that. And the one story that's a little bit, by the way, James O'Keefe, this guy, you guys got to give credit to these. Oh, yeah. Anybody that criticizes the James O'Keefes or the Nick Shurleys of the world that are going like Thomas Massey called that Nick Shirley. What are you doing, Thomas? You're a heavyweight of a guy that's in the space. You're in it. You're discouraging a 24 year old guy that's trying to go out there and lead to these different types of discussions. I just, I don't think we need to do that of some people that have been around the space for a while. But James O'Keefe did something. He went out there in Minnesota, tried to vote. He dressed like a Muslim and he showed how easy it is to vote in Minnesota. And Adam told me this right before I said, there's no way this is true.

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  In the story, it says, a man can vouch for eight family members in Minnesota when they vote. I said, there's no way this is true. So then we had our team fact check it. Guess what? You can vouch for eight family members in Minnesota to vote whatever way you want in Minnesota. Like you know how people say, what a chauvinistic way of some of these guys say a man should be able to vote for his household. Well, guess what? In Minnesota, you can. And I'll play the clip for you. It's unbelievable.

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  Of what happened there. And again, Nick Shirley, for those of you guys that support Nick Shirley, good job for Nick Shirley to do what he does. I know a lot of you guys communicate with him on Manact and those help because this guy's not a millionaire. He's going out there, putting his life on the line and getting all these stories. So to all the people that support him, good work, Nick Shirley, keep at it. Trump said something about the North Korea, South Korea that got a lot of people confused. You know, Trump orders Pentagon to scale back joint exercises with South Korea. And one of the tweets got conservatives and folks on MAGA to say, what is this all about? Why are you saying this? You know, there's lots of different angles on why he could be saying something like that. We will talk about that. Anthropic CEO, you ready for this one? This is very weird.

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  Anthropic CEO's wife asked Epstein to help fund her porn business. And this, this is not a Babylon B or an Onion story. This is an actual story. His, the CEO of Anthropic, multi billionaire, very brilliant, very smart guy. But his wife was raising money from Jeffrey Epstein. Now, there's many different angles to take with that, but that's kind of weird to have that as a tie. And then Hugh Hefner, stories comes out that he told the FBI that there's this guy named Jeffrey Epstein that is sexually assaulting our girls. Can you imagine Hugh Hefner saying that to the FBI? And now we're learning about these stories coming out. Both of them came out, so we'll address those stories. And then aside from that, Rokana keeps pushing on this 5% wealth tax for a guy that they're saying at the low end,

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  he's worth 70 million, at the high end, he's worth 300 million. And he's telling people that we should do a wealth tax to the 250 billionaires. And Mark Cuban comes out and gives an argument. And quite a few people went after Rokana. And then stories comes out that Rokana is planning on running for office, president in 2028. And Newsom is more and more and more getting irrelevant because at least some of these guys, whether you like their policies or not, they're sticking to it. Newsom, like I said, if there's a gift you can send to Newsom, everybody on behalf of, you know, supporting him, buy a pair of flip flops and send it to him. Can you imagine he goes to his office, the actual Newsom governor's office, get hundreds of flip flops? Future looks bright.

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  Send any kind of flip flops at this point, if you want to put a smile on his face. Send a future looks bright. And but very weird. And then Luigi Mangione, you know, the verdict's out. He comes out and he says, hey, I killed Mr. Thompson. At least he said, Mr. Thompson. He's being respectful about it. And he explains how he built the gun. He explains everything that he did. But he's flat out coming out and saying, here's what happened. And this like no hiding back. And a lot of people are wondering, why would you take that case? But at least now everybody knows what happened. That's like Tyler Robinson coming out and saying, I killed him. Here's how I did it. Here's what weapon I used, like flat out saying it. That's what Luigi did. We'll, we'll address that story.

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  And then a Lindsay, is it Clancy? Am I saying the last name correctly?

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  Yes.

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  What a weird situation. She sends her husband out. And then she, at that time, when he's out, goes and kills her three kids.

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  Five years old, three years old, eight months old, blinds him up in the basement and strangles all three of them.

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  And women on TikTok have raised $750,000 for him because allegedly they say he did it, not her.

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  Well, they're like, there's, there's people saying that he did it, but there's also therapists and women going, you don't know what it's like having postpartum depression. So, hey, anybody that has a kid knows, like, you've wanted to kill your kids, basically is what they're saying. And they're trying to get $2 million for it. By the way, and her breaking down in court, Pat, was so good because they're, the medical examiner's breaking down what happened. And she's like, I can't, I can't. It's a messed up story.

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  When we, hopefully we'll have time to get into that story. And then a couple of other stories here that God willing, we'll get into. Tim Poole was on Jubilee and it was a couple of interesting moments. If we have time, we'll get into that. And the last but not least, Gen Z, one third of Gen Z steers clear of car insurance. Surveys find. I remember one time on the four or five freeway with a Mitsubishi Eclipse. I'm driving down, this guy in front of me breaks and very bad. And we get into his fender bender. He gets out of the car, he's crying. He says, please don't call the cops, please don't call the cops. I said, what do you mean? I don't have any insurance, just let me go, please. He's worried that we got into an accident. So apparently today, a third of Gen Z's don't want to have any auto insurance.

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  Do you have auto insurance? You have auto insurance?

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  So crazy, almost $300.

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  By the way, if you were to ask right now, okay, here's a question for you. They should know this. How many speeding tickets has Vinnie gotten in his life? In his life? He's 48 years young. How many speeding tickets has Vinnie gotten in his life? Can you run a poll real quick? Zero to three, let's see how good you are. Three to six, six to 10, 10 plus. How many speeding tickets? Let's see how this poll is on how Vinnie's done. But a third of Gen Z don't want to get any auto insurance for their own reasons. All right. With that being said, guys, many of you guys have been messaging saying, hey, Pat, we haven't had a limited edition hat in a long time. And I know a lot of people in this say, I want to get a numbered hat. You can only go buy them on eBay. You know how this works?

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  When we launch them, it's once every quarter. And then when we do, it goes. And when it goes, the only place you can go get it is on eBay and you're paying three to 10 times price, whatever the individuals want to sell it for. If you go on eBay right now, you type in future looks bright. Just go on eBay right now and type in future looks bright. You will see the merch, that hat, $2,000, $500, $4.49. At one point, somebody only paid $99 to buy some of these numbered hats. So we're doing it again today. We haven't done it in months, but our latest numbered future looks bright hat, 250 year anniversary, all black with the gray on it, which looks absolutely sick. It says, United States, 1776 to 2026 with the American flag.

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  If you can switch the pictures so folks can see what it looks like on the side. That's the front of it. On the side is the American flag. Keep going so they can see it. And on the other side, it says, value team. And on the inside, it says, future looks bright with numbered one out of 250. These will go in no time for some of you guys that collect these. I know we have kids, somebody's a kid here at the podcast buys them and she flips them on eBay and she makes money doing this. And I'm, obviously Vinnie doesn't have any kids and neither does Adam, not yet, neither one of them. But somebody, so if you haven't bought the latest one yet, go to vtmerch.com and place your order for the limited edition numbered one out of 250. We'll put the link below. Again, go to vtmerch.com, place your order. These things won't last a long time.

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  And we have some major, major announcement that we'll be making here in the next few weeks. Again, go to vtmerch.com, place your order, future looks bright. With that being said, let's get into our first story. The first story I want to get into.

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  Is a Rokana story. Rokana tweets out a video describing that the wealth tax isn't as bad as you think it is, Vinny. It's not. These 250 billionaires can't afford to pay, you know, their 5% wealth tax. And a lot of people are like, wait a minute, what are you talking about? It is so bad that even, you know, Mark Cuban decides to respond to it. You'll watch the tweet. It says California Democratic Party and California Labor Movement just stood with Bernie Sanders and me in supporting the 5% wealth tax on 250 billionaires. California voters want a Democratic Party that will stand for the working class over the billionaire class. If you want to play this clip and then we're going to read what Mark Cuban said. Go for it.

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  California Democratic Party and the California Labor Movement.

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  Oh, he's just repeating it? Okay, don't worry about it. So pause it and just go to what Mark Cuban said about this. If you can, go back to the one tweet. Okay, so here's Mark Cuban. "Row, I like you, you know that, but you need to read the state of the state. The number of deck of unicorns in California is growing by the day as investors chase amazing startups. A unique feature of these 10 billion dollar startups is that even if they raise a billion little, if any of that money goes to the founders who are now worth billions of dollars overnight, they are the definition of cash poor, stock rich." I know this feeling when, you know, we had a business that's worth a couple hundred million dollars and I was stock rich and cash poor. How are you going to tax them? Make them borrow money against their shares if they can?

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  They just raised money to grow their company and bank will come along and loan them money. A company that has been in business maybe less than a year, go a little bit lower. Will you take their stock if they can? Do you really think each of these founders who started an amazing company in Cali is now a billionaire? Can each just pull out 250 million dollars per billion of their net worth from their raise? You know they can't. If they, if this passes and it doesn't directly impact me at all, I won't be a Cali resident. But you can bet if I'm investing in multi-billion dollar startups, I'm asking them to move from California first. In my opinion, if this passes, only idiot startup founders stay in Cali. I've done this before and I'll do it again. Dallas, Pittsburgh, Indiana, I will make not being in California a prerequisite for an investment.

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  Ideology is not a strategy, Row. I responded on this Rokana tweet as well. If you want to go to my profile and I took a slightly different angle. California lost a trillion dollars of wealth twice in the last five years. If you, Rokana, and Gavin Newsom pass the 5% wealth tax, theft tax on your 250 billionaires, you'll suffer consequences you've never seen before and the biggest impact will be on low and middle income families. You know this. Why low and middle income families? Who creates those jobs? These guys do and they can go anywhere. You know what states are looking for billionaires? 50. You know how many of these states are gladly looking for billionaires and saving them 13.3% in taxes? I think it's six or seven of them. You don't think, I was in Tennessee a couple of days ago.

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  You want to know why so many people are going to Tennessee? Zero state taxes. You know why people are going to Texas? Zero state taxes. You know why Florida is growing the way that it does? 0% state taxes. If you go right now on Realtor.com and go to Palm Beach, just go to Palm Beach and go to Realtor.com. Go to Realtor.com and type in Palm Beach. You know what you'll notice? Something you've never seen before. If you type in Palm Beach, right there in the search, if you guys don't mind doing that in the back, go ahead and type in Palm Beach in there. Not West Palm Beach, just Palm Beach. I never said West, just Palm Beach in there, right there. Type in Palm Beach and click on that first one, right below it, it gave it to you. If you go to this and go to prices, go to relevant listing and go to the highest first. Watch this. 205 million. Damn.

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  200 million, 185 million, 157 million, go a little bit lower, 105 million, 89 million, 88 million. You know why? Because billionaires can't afford to buy these houses and they're moving to Palm Beach. And where do you think most of these billionaires are coming from? States like New York, like Illinois, like DC, like California, who are pushing their people out to states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Nevada and other places. Tom, when you hear Rokana pushing this and the story comes out saying that Rokana, considering 2020 presidential run, says AOC decision doesn't have any bearing. This is Rokana. He's interested in running in 2020. Is this the clip? If you want to play, go for it, guys.

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  Seemingly in disarray about the party's direction. And you have been known to lay out your national agenda. You're doing a little bit today on this program. Maria Bartiromo on this show has pointedly asked you, and I did in the break, if you are running in 2028. Are you?

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  I'm considering it and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because I understand the future economy and I see that it's only working for a few and I want it to work for people who I grew up with.

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  If AOC runs, do you run?

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  I don't think that has any bearing. What matters is do I have an economic vision that actually will have success? Look, I am so grateful to this country. It's given my family everything and I want to see the kids I grew up with, their families be able to succeed in a modern economy. I understand AI, I understand the future.

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  Can you go to chat GPT and type in what is Rokana's net worth? Tom, I'm coming to you right after this. What is Rokana's net worth according to chat GPT? Can you just go to? Well, let's see what it's going to say.

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  He can buy one of those houses.

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  So type in what is Rokana's net worth? The way he speaks is a, what is Rokana's, what is Rokana's net worth? Net worth, there you go. Let's see what it says.

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  It's more than you think, guys. I'm telling you right now.

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  Is it 500,000? Is it 800,000?

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  No, way more.

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  Is it 1 million?

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  Way more.

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  Is it 70 to 300 million dollars?

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  It's somewhere around 200 million apparently.

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  Look at that right there. Adding the disclosure ranging gives roughly 98.7 million net worth in 2024 to 314 million. An analysis using Open Secrets data, which you trust Open Secrets, said his median estimated net worth is 232.7 million dollars. But you know who won't be taxed to 5%? He won't be because he's not a billionaire. He's only worth 232 million. Tom, thoughts?

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  Well, you left something out. Your response to his tweet was correct, but there's one small thing you left out and that is the middle class, not only will they not get jobs, the jobs they do get, Pat, they're going to get taxed because there's no one left to tax. If you lose your high taxpayers and you still have to build your rail and provide all the services to people. And the element that here that people don't understand, if you create a company, so let's just look, you know, people often don't understand creating a company and it has a value and that you don't really have that money. It would be like someone knocking on your door and say, hey, you know, you've been living here for 10 years, your house has gone up in value.

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  We'd like to tax 5% of the gain because it's not fair that that happened to your house. Everybody in America owns a house to understand that, but you would say, where would your parents who you get that money for that house? You wouldn't. You would have to go, wait a minute, I don't have that. Just, well, Zillow says.

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  Hang on, Tom. I'm getting an interruption here from a guy named Dylan Bedd David. Dylan, go ahead. What do you want to tell us? I'm in the middle of a podcast. Dylan.

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  I just pulled a $4,000 card.

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  That's why you FaceChat me right now?

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  Yeah, I pulled a few, a few of them.

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  A $4,000 card. Tell us what the card is.

• 19:23Speaker 11

  It's a Pokemon card.

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  Well, you know, a guy named Rokana wants to tax you 5% for that card.

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  You're going to get taxed on it, Dylan.

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  Ray Klauser.

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  Ray Kwan.

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  All right, Dilly, I'm gonna get back to the podcast.

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  Happy Kwan's in Dillon.

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  You keep doing your thing, buddy. All right, love you. Bye bye.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  He's the best. Dude, that's four grand.

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  I'm sorry, Tom. Dylan is...

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  No, no, so you...

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  How dare he? Go ahead.

• 19:43Speaker 12

  Yeah, so let's say, you... I'll get back to it. You owned a house, or your parents owned a house. It goes up in value, Vinny. They come knock, they come knock on your door and say, "Hey, according to Zillow, you're a millionaire." "No, no, do you understand? We bought this house, you know, seventeen years ago for three hundred and fifty. Zillow says it's a million, but if the economy crashes, it could be less than that. Yeah, but since you're a millionaire, we'd like five percent of the six hundred thousand gain." You're giving me a bill for thirty grand right here? That's what... That's the analogy I make to people, and they say, "Wait a minute, people don't have that. If they wanted to put thirty thousand of that in their house, they'd have to go get a home equity line or something to build their kitchen. They don't understand it."

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  Yeah.

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  Well, now multiply that times one hundred for someone that goes out, they're building the company, and a venture capitalist says, "I think that thing is worth a billion dollars, and I will give you fifty million this next round of financing to pay for engineers and do things." And then the state says, "Hey, let's, let's round up everybody. This thing's worth a billion. Everybody, five percent, please." And you're like, "Wait a minute, we don't have the cash. We're building a building." You know, we're building. We're building this building, which contains this, this wonderful company.

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  Building a building. I like...

• 20:55Speaker 12

  Yeah. It's... But the point is, you, you can't get to it. But Ro Khanna, this is populism. What this is, is populism. It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense logically, or that it would create a hellscape of people trying to find the money to do it. It doesn't matter. He knows that these people wouldn't have the money to pull out of...

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  Can I tell you what I respect?

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  And...

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  Can I tell you though?

• 21:17Speaker 12

  He's just running with popular opinion.

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  Do you think... What is different between Ro Khanna and Newsom? Who's more of a true believer about the five percent? Him or Newsom?

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  Oh, Ro Khanna.

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  I'm asking Tom.

• 21:28Speaker 12

  A true, true believer? I think Newsom's more of a true believer, but he tried to distance himself for it this summer because the polling was showing negative.

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  See, I'm the other way around. I think Newsom's full of shit. I think Newsom is for anything that helps him become a president.

• 21:42Speaker 12

  But that's what I mean...

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  And push back, push back on what I'm saying.

• 21:44Speaker 12

  What I'm saying is, that doesn't make... What I mean, that makes him a true believer in the flaw.

• 21:49Speaker 00

  Oh, meaning that it doesn't work? Oh, we're saying the same thing then?

• 21:52Speaker 12

  Yes.

• 21:52Speaker 00

  Oh, you're saying that he knows that it doesn't work?

• 21:54Speaker 12

  Straight up.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, we're on the same page.

• 21:56Speaker 12

  But he's pushing it like the cardboard's cut out that he is.

• 21:59Speaker 00

  But I actually believe this is a Ro Khanna policy. And what is crazy, what is crazy about Ro Khanna coming up with this policy? You know what's the craziest thing? Do you know what district he's in?

• 22:09Speaker 02

  He's in Silicon Valley, sir.

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  Oh, weird.

• 22:11Speaker 12

  San Jose.

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  So I, I just wanna know, when this guy goes to restaurants, what do people say when all the billionaires go to dinners there? You don't think they're pulling him aside? And what is he trying to say? "Hey, it's not that bad. You can handle it. You can pay for it." Adam, your thoughts on that?

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Well, because for every one billionaire, there's a hundred thousand people basically agreeing with him. I mean, it's populist mentality.

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  They're gonna pay the biggest price for it.

• 22:33Speaker 12

  Let me, uh, let me, let me show some stats in honor of Tom Ellsworth. I do think that Ro Khanna is a likable guy. I don't think Gavin Newsom is likable.

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  Much, much more like.

• 22:42Speaker 12

  We've had Ro Khanna on the podcast. He's a nice guy.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  He is.

• 22:45Speaker 12

  Just 'cause you're nice doesn't mean you're right, though.

• 22:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 12

  Uh, look at this map right here. Say to honor Tom Ellsworth, and in honor of... Sounds like I'm dead. Thank you, Tom. I appreciate that. Uh, look at this map right here. Tell me which part of the country looks very, very red?

• 23:01Speaker 12

  If you could scroll in on that little bit.

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  The left.

• 23:02Speaker 12

  The left side of it. Now, this isn't voting tendencies. These are people who are leaving your area, leaving your county. So it says, "County by county, taxpayer gains and losses from interstate migration." If you look all the way to the left, the red counties lost taxpayers. Blue counties gained taxpayers. This isn't a, uh, uh, political thing. This is people moving or staying. Why are so many people leaving California? I mean, it's not even close. You can see in the northeast, it's very red. People are getting out of California for a few reasons. The billionaires are leaving because of the tax policies. Families are leaving because of crime and safety. And reasonable people are saying, "I'm done with the wokeness."

• 23:47Speaker 12

  Now, here's my challenge with Ro, who's a likable guy. It's very easy to say you wanna tax people if you never earned it. Do you know how Ro Khanna earned his money or got his money?

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 23:58Speaker 12

  He didn't make it. He didn't start a business. He wasn't like, "Guys, I got this great idea. Here's what we're gonna do." He married a rich lady whose father started an auto parts industry, like he's freaking Tommy Boy out here at Callahan Auto Parts. And he now is worth two hundred million dollars.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Um, more, and I'll give you the number after.

• 24:17Speaker 12

  Because his wife, God bless her, I think we all want a rich wife, was like, "Yeah, I got you, Ro." He's a, he's a lawyer. He was a, um, he taught economics of, of all things at Stanford. He worked in Obama's Commerce Department, and his salary is a hundred and seventy-five thousand dollars a year as a representative. Do the math on that. How is this guy worth two hundred million dollars? He married up.

• 24:39Speaker 00

  Well...

• 24:40Speaker 12

  And he carpetbagged from Cleveland to San Jose.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Well, Pat, there was a report, uh, on June thirtieth by Free Beacon. Just to give you guys a heads up, he talks about everybody who hoards their wealth. He's in a six, six-point-something-million-dollar D.C. mansion, a four-story elevator. His family's three hundred and forty million-plus fortune. This is two thousand and twenty-six. Sits in exact trust, hedge funds, and LLC that he condemns. Those trusts made four thousand one hundred stock trades worth fifty-three million in two thousand and twenty-five. Even as he pushes for this ban members of Congress for trading stocks, Pat, he claims zero knowledge of the trades. That's what he says. And his kids, who are under ten years old, hold stakes in three private golf clubs, a sixty-five-billion-dollar wealth firm, and a distressed debt hedge fund. The same vehicles that he attacks, his wife drives a two-hundred-thousand-dollar Range Rover.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  So the fact that he's building, you know, this shielding exactly what he says that the rich people shouldn't do, that's what he's doing.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  All of that stuff, all of that stuff I have no problem with.

• 25:35Speaker 12

  Yeah.

• 25:36Speaker 00

  But he knows this is not a good idea. He knows, and he's still pushing it. So let's see what happens. It'll be... I, I actually want it to become a reality because I... There's a part of me that, like I've said this before, I love my people in California, and I know what it is to love California. Trust me, I love California. But when you have bad policies destroying a big state, sometimes you need a case study for people to realize that this simply doesn't work. And if it's done at the, at the state level, like California's fourth-largest economy in the world, let's see what happens. Maybe some people are like, "It's not gonna be as bad as you think it is." Let's test it out. We'll learn for ourselves if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Let me get to the next story here. Next story I wanted to get to is James O'Keefe.

• 26:20Speaker 00

  So James O'Keefe, who used to run Project Veritas, now he runs OMG, which I think, I think it's called, uh...

• 26:28Speaker 12

  O'Keefe Media Group?

• 26:29Speaker 00

  O'Keefe Media Group. He decides to go in Minnesota dressed like a Muslim to go vote. And by the way, he, I mean, of course, he's spoofing a little bit, but do you have the short clip of him doing this? O'Keefe, others... I was just reading that. Go back to it if you could. O'Keefe, uh, uh, others go undercover to register voter under Minnesota voucher law. You're the ID.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Voucher?

• 26:52Speaker 00

  Voucher law. So let's see what this looks like. Go for it. This is again Minnesota. And allegedly, he, as a man, can vouch for eight other people in his family. Go ahead.

• 27:04Speaker 13

  Balla.

• 27:06Speaker 00

  Can't play that song.

• 27:08Speaker 13

  She's vouching? They're vouching for him? Uh, I vouch for them. Oh, great. Is that okay?

• 27:14Speaker 02

  He's doesn't... I mean, his accent is...

• 27:15Speaker 13

  Well, if you're all in the same precinct... Yes. And you are already registered, which it looks like you are, then you, you can vouch for them.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  How is that legal?

• 27:24Speaker 13

  Oh, good. She says to me, I says, "They do not need ID." She says, "You are the ID." He is the ID. See, I am the ID. And no ID needed. I just vouch for them. But you're the ID. I am the ID.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  You're the ID.

• 27:35Speaker 13

  How many people, uh, may I vouch for? Eight. Eight? I can vouch for eight people?

• 27:42Speaker 00

  Is this a joke?

• 27:43Speaker 12

  Did she say, do you have an answer? Did she say the answer?

• 27:46Speaker 02

  No, it's not a...

• 27:47Speaker 00

  You can vouch for eight people?

• 27:50Speaker 02

  And this happens?

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Can you do me a favor and go, go, go fact-check this with, with every one of the language learning models out there and see if this is true? If, if, can you just go to... Yeah, go, go check all of them and see. Adam, I'm gonna come to you first.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 28:06Speaker 00

  Go for it.

• 28:07Speaker 12

  Well, uh, Minnesota's cooked. We've said that for a while. Uh, I don't know how people keep falling for James O'Keefe. He'll go on a date, just put on glasses like he's Clark Kent.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  See-through.

• 28:16Speaker 12

  See-through glasses. People are like, "I've never seen this guy in my life." I think any, uh, liberal area in, in the country, especially in D.C., needs to keep their eyes out for the great James O'Keefe. Uh, keep... But the, the bigger story here is, why are independent journalists doing so well? What is the mainstream media doing? What is the legacy media doing that they, that you're leaving a, uh, hole in the marketplace, a void in the marketplace, where independent journalists like James O'Keefe, Nick Shirley, um, what's our buddy? Uh, Nate Friedman, Savannah Hernandez, show up and expose all the waste, fraud, and corruption all around America, but the, the journalist, the legacy media, the, the supposed journalist, you can't find any of this?

• 29:00Speaker 12

  That's the biggest problem I have. The, the citizen journalists out there exposing the ridiculousness that's going on in our country.

• 29:06Speaker 00

  Okay, so let me do that.

• 29:07Speaker 12

  Whereas the main journalists are doing nothing.

• 29:08Speaker 00

  Here we go. So which one is this? This is ChatGPT. "Yes, under Minnesota law, a registered voter in a precinct may vouch for the residence of up to eight people on election day, allowing those people to establish residency for same-day voter registration." So that's... What are the other guys saying? Go to the other ones. Uh, "This falls under election voting rules and logistics, so I must follow the special election response." Knowledge, this guy's not willing to answer. So which one is this?

• 29:33Speaker 12

  What other states have this?

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Gemini's a little bit worried. Go to the other ones.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Gemini's scared.

• 29:37Speaker 00

  So this is who? Perplexity. "Yes, in Minnesota, a registered voter from the same precinct can vouch for up to eight people registering on election day. The voucher must go with the registrant to the polling place and sign an oath confirming that person lives in the precinct. Too important..." That is unbelievable that they can do this.

• 29:54Speaker 12

  Can we ask if any other states allow something like this? There's a form. By the way, it says the form is, and I found perplexity as well, and I've got the state of Minnesota here, guideline. And it says, "The person who vouches must have positive ID, that they live in the district and are registered to vote. And there is a form they will sign out, that under the penalty of perjury, the eight people are who they say they are and live where they say."

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I mean...

• 30:16Speaker 12

  So it used to be... So there is something in there, Pat. There actually is a form. You know these eight people, and under the penalty of perjury, are doing this. It still is loosey-goosey, but it's not just like walk in and talk. Apparently, there's a form you have to sign.

• 30:29Speaker 00

  Well, by the way, Tom, some people would call this a far-right idea. You know, a lot of people in America are saying that, you know what one of Andrew Wilson's positions is? A man should represent the vote of the household, if I'm not mistaken. So, in Minnesota, they can do this. If you went and pitched this to America and you said, "In every state, the man of the household can vouch for everybody else living in this household to vote." You know what they would say? They would say, "Hell to the no." But they're willing to do it in Minnesota. It's a very, very weird position. Adam, keep going.

• 31:03Speaker 12

  No, I mean, this is the issue that people have with going all over the country. By the way, Tim Walz, who is still the governor of Minnesota, why did he not run for reelection? Why did he basically step down? It's because of independent journalists like Nick Shirley, who exposed him. And I love the sign that allegedly is in an airport somewhere. It's like, "Days of Tim Walz apologizing for what he's done." Zero, because Nick Shirley's basically owned him. But we need more of this, not less of this. James O'Keefe is the GOAT when it comes to this? And he spawned off all these amazing people like Nick Shirley.

• 31:38Speaker 00

  Can we go to the clip of Nick Shirley and Thomas Massey? Nick Shirley is minding his own business, talking about what he's doing, and Thomas Massey quote tweets it and calls him out. Now, you have to realize, this is kind of confusing. So, hard to take Nick Shirley seriously until he starts calling out Johnson, Thune, and Trump for funding the daycare fraud in every omnibus and CR bill with no guardrails. Okay, so now Massey's putting it on him, because, go back to the tweet, go back to the tweet where you were at. You know, Nick Shirley tweeted something and said, "Your tax dollars have become new money laundering schemes for these corrupt politicians. Governor Hochul has been taking donations from these daycares, fraudsters in New York City

• 32:22Speaker 00

  who receive millions of your taxpayer dollars to operate adult daycares." Now, he's not calling out Massey. He's saying nothing to Massey. So, it's not like Nick Shirley is calling out Massey. He's calling out Hochul in New York, and then Massey calls out Shirley. And then Nick Shirley comes back and says, "In other words, why can't a 24-year-old solve all government spending problems? You people in DC are a large part of the problem. All you do is complain and whine on XY. Your job is to actually work for us. I've exposed and saved billions. What have you done?"

• 32:51Speaker 12

  He's saying that to Thomas Massey?

• 32:53Speaker 00

  To Massey. Go a little bit lower in the comment section.

• 32:55Speaker 10

  By the way, Thomas Massey is asking Nick Shirley to somehow stop.

• 32:58Speaker 00

  I'm 100% independent and rely on my followers to continue doing my work. So, go a little bit lower. Massey responds, if you can go a little bit lower. Grok, "Has Nick Shirley..." This is the part that gets pretty bad for Thomas Massey. "Has Nick Shirley saved Americans billions of dollars? Did Thomas Massey offer an amendment to limit the fraudulent daycare? Nick Shirley claims millions of dollars and 30 bills a billion dollars." "One feature center owner later pleaded guilty to related fraud. Broader Minnesota fraud was already known and estimated a billion dollars. No independent audit quantifies exact..." Didn't the governor resign because of Nick Shirley? Who did that? Nick Shirley did that. Yes, Massey offered an amendment, and which, by the way, Massey has done some good work in the past himself. But what are you doing? What are you doing?

• 33:42Speaker 00

  It's a 24-year-old that is encouraged to go out there and do the work that a lot of mainstream media are not doing, and you're putting it on, "Hey, you should go out and call out Thune." He's a YouTuber. He's a YouTuber that's doing this. So, anyways, it's a very, very strange situation here with Massey picking on Shirley. While Massey's job, he can go after Thune. He can go after Johnson. He can go after all those guys. That's your job. Nick Shirley's job is to just go out there and expose what he's doing and put the content out and allow the rest of us to react to it. Vinnie, what is your thoughts when you see Massey saying something like this to Shirley?

• 34:18Speaker 02

  It's ridiculous, okay? The kid is out there busting his butt. Either he's in Cuba, he's in Minnesota, he's in New York.

• 34:26Speaker 12

  Madrid.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  He's in Madrid. He is doing, like, he is out there, he is doing, like Adam said, what mainstream isn't doing. And I understand where Thomas Massey's coming from, and oh, he's, you know, being held back, and there's, you know, parameters because you're in government. But you do your job. Weren't you supposed to release all these names of all the Epstein victims? What happened to that? If you're gonna talk the talk...

• 34:45Speaker 00

  Did he ever, did he ever release it?

• 34:47Speaker 02

  He never, they didn't, Pat, they haven't released anything, okay?

• 34:51Speaker 00

  There was actually video of him saying, "If they don't do this, I'm gonna release all the names."

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, where is it?

• 34:55Speaker 00

  Is that what you're talking about?

• 34:56Speaker 12

  But did he release it or no?

• 34:57Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 34:58Speaker 12

  You're saying that Thomas Massey didn't live up to his promise?

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Yes, stop it. Yeah, so my point is, just Nick, just what Nick has done in Minnesota alone. And Connor, I'm gonna ask for that video. Look what he did to Tim Walz. You haven't heard a peep, a peep, from Ilhan Omar with her brothers and the marriage and the fraud, her husband and all that stuff allegedly, and then Keith Ellison and all the nonsense and all the, you know, "Oh, my God, illegals, ICE and everything." Not a peep from these people.

• 35:25Speaker 00

  What is this?

• 35:26Speaker 02

  This, so by the way, guys, this is Minnesota GOP candidate, Leslie Larson. She woke up to her car doing this. Play that, play that video. If you could, Connor, can you zoom in too to what they're doing? Look at how scary this is, okay? They're masked, they're outside. What if she walked outside?

• 35:41Speaker 12

  What is on her car? What are they putting on it?

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Middle fingers. And by the way, she's running on a platform to end fraud? Guess where? In Minnesota. They're clearly afraid that she's gonna win, okay? And she needs to be careful, because the last time somebody tried to, like, stop giving money to illegals, Melissa Horman, she was gunned down in her house with her husband, and then the killer went and shot two other people, and that killer said, allegedly, in a letter, which I was gonna read a while ago, that doesn't sound incoherent, which the mainstream media said, Bolter was his last name, that Tim Walz told him to kill all these, to kill, what's her name? Klobuchar. Like, it didn't sound...

• 36:17Speaker 00

  Allegedly.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Allegedly, all allegedly, but the letter doesn't sound incoherent. So, I think she needs to be careful, because this is, these are the people that you're messing with. When you're gonna mess with their people, you're gonna expose them, you have to be careful, okay? And it's messed up. I don't like what he's doing. Let the guy cook. He's freaking exposing. Even if it's not 100% true, at least people are looking. And I'm not saying true, I mean, the evidence he's exposing. Everybody's looking at Minnesota right now, and they're all under the microscope. I'm happy for them.

• 36:46Speaker 10

  So, Thomas Massey needs to be more like Nick and not criticizing him. I think Massey just was just out of his mind for a moment, and I'll tell you why. He's saying, "Until you go after these people..." Wait a minute. Thomas Massey put a resolution in that bill that the high-risk states would not get the federal funding. Then they went to committee, and when they're in committee, guess what happens? The other Republicans overruled it, and they took out Massey's request, allowing the money to freely flow. That, what is Nick Shirley gonna do? Show up with his camera crew in a federal hearing room and say, "Excuse me, guys, are you ripping off America?" No.

• 37:28Speaker 10

  Massey, you need to come out in public and say, "The following people pulled my resolution out. The following people allowed the money to flow. The following people took what I was trying to do and stop it, and they allowed it to go, because we went into committee. This is your government at work." You need to be, do that, be more like Nick Shirley, because you can do that. You can use the bully puppet. Coming out and saying it's hard to take the kid seriously unless he goes after Thune and all these people that messed with the resolution? No. It just shocks me, Pat, because it's so upside down. There's an opportunity for Massey to come out and say, "I tried to stop it. Here's my resolution. Read it, America. This got yanked out of the bill. Your tax dollars at work."

• 38:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, look, anytime younger people are out there doing what Nick Shirley does, this is not an easy job. He's putting his life on the line. And I, you know, I hope he's getting encouraged by the right people. Again, Nick Shirley's on Manek. Go send him a message and encourage him. You can go, literally go on Manek, find the name Nick Shirley, download the app, message him. This is how younger people get in. He needs the money to be able to expand. It's a lot of cost of what he's doing, and security alone. The other day, he was breaking down to us how much security costs for him right now on a daily basis. The numbers are not, it's not like you're paying $500 a day for security. It's real money you have to spend for security when you're going out there. Nick Shirley. Yeah, he shared the numbers that he was having with us on how much it is. Let me get to the next story.

• 38:54Speaker 12

  Can you, can I show you this one quick video? I know you wanna move on. Guys, I just sent, do you, you know who the lieutenant governor is in Minnesota? No, I think he's the attorney general. Peggy Flanagan?

• 39:05Speaker 00

  What about her?

• 39:06Speaker 12

  This is, okay, so, you hear about this red-green alliance?

• 39:08Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 39:09Speaker 12

  This is what's going on in Minnesota, where you have the far-left, woke, white liberals who are basically assuming a Somali identity, and this is the final outcome.

• 39:18Speaker 00

  So, this is a white lady?

• 39:20Speaker 12

  Yes.

• 39:21Speaker 14

  My name's Peggy Flanagan. I am the lieutenant governor of Minnesota, and I'm really honored and humbled to be here with all of you today. I am incredibly clear that the Somali community is part of the fabric of the state of Minnesota. I think about my friendship with NIMCO. We've been friends for almost 25 years. And when I think of being part of Minnesota and growing up here, the Somali community has always been a part of my Minnesota. So, I wanna just encourage the community...

• 39:56Speaker 12

  This is the equivalent.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Jacob Frye is sitting there eating Somali food. He looks like he's gonna throw up.

• 40:00Speaker 12

  Is Humberto right there?

• 40:01Speaker 02

  He's trying to dance with them. And Pat, you know what it is? When you're in, when everybody's in on this scheme and the fraud and everything, you gotta be cool with them. You have to be cool with them, because the money's coming back to you.

• 40:11Speaker 12

  It's vote.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  All fraud.

• 40:13Speaker 12

  I just want you to picture this one thing. We just had the governor debate here, the Florida Republican. We had Lieutenant Governor Jay Collins on the debate stage. Can you picture a former Army veteran dressed in a hijab, basically saying, "Somalians built this state"? This is the problem here. That guy is as American as it gets. The left has been hijacked by the Somali community.

• 40:36Speaker 00

  To me, like, a guy Maneks me, he says, you know, "It's not fair. You guys are saying this. You're Islamophobic and all this other..." So, let me tell you how little it has to do with Islamophobic. Here's how simple for me to position it, and I'm gonna keep saying this over and over and over again. Whatever religion you are, skin color, ethnicity, whatever you are, if you go to a community, make it better, make it safer, crime goes down, any of that goes down, I want more of that community. Very simple. I don't care what religion you are. And whatever you are, if you go to a community, crime goes up, theft goes up, you know...

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Fraud.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  If fraud goes up, if any of that goes up, we should collectively say, "You want less of that." Let me give you an idea. If you run a company and we hire from five universities, okay? And we have programs from five universities. If university number one, the last 100 employees we hired from there, we have the best experience of them being good citizens, no theft, respect, hardworking, come in early, leave late, bring value, get promoted, we want more people from that college. But if another college, name it anything, if they send us people, they steal, they do things, you know, they hurt, they create chaos, they're hard to work with, they come in late, they're always bitching, complaining,

• 41:57Speaker 00

  I don't want anybody from that university. Again, I don't care. By the way... This isn't to say about every one of them. This is not the case. This is to say if a Rupert Lowe puts a report of 250,000 rapes that took place in UK, of which 87% are Pakistanis, I don't want any more Pakistanis. By the way, did you guys see what UK just did? UK just did something for them not to be able to report crimes. If you go on Tommy Robinson's Twitter, he just posted this where UK is making it almost impossible for them to be able to report on. Yeah, if you can go to, as you can, go a little bit lower. There was a more, go a little bit lower. It's one of the glasses now taking.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Go up, go up to that one, go up to that one. Okay, UK government has lodged a legal appeal to stop the publishing of migrant crime data.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  Go figure.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  Why, why would, do me a favor, go on it, go on it real quick. And let me see the comment section below. A little bit of magic, everything wrong is used to alarm them, misdirection. They're seriously, country publishes the numbers and lets people judge for themselves. Appealing to stop the release of migrant crime data tells you everything about how confident they are in what those figures actually show. So I'm not, nobody hears racist towards anybody. It's just purely data. You produce results, that's great. You don't, you know, you ought to minimize it. Let me get to the next story, let me get to the next story. Next one I wanted to get into is Anthropic CEO's wife, little weird story. I mean, maybe there's nothing there, but it's an interesting story.

• 43:29Speaker 00

  Anthropic CEO's wife, Dario Amode's wife, Kami Clark, courted Jeffrey Epstein to invest in her porn company. I mean, somebody may say, well, it's just a porn company. It's not a big deal, but it's a pretty interesting story. Kami Clark, the secretive wife of Anthropic CEO, Dario, maintains a minimal public profile while serving as a key advisor to the AI leader and the scrutiny of her history has revealed she sought investment in her revolutionary porn company from convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein, years after his jail sentence. The Wall Street Journal reported on this, by the way. Clark doesn't work at Anthropic, but her presence is a regular feature of Amode's public

• 44:11Speaker 00

  life, front row at Davos, talking with investors at the Allen and Company Conference in Sun Valley. People close to the company say she acts as a sounding board and a strategic advisor role, reaching back to Anthropic's early days when she brought in key investors, Eric Schmidt, the Democratic mega donor and former Google CEO. She had dated as the company got off the ground in early 2021. Despite her influence, scan details about Clark are available online. Efforts have been made to remove references to her from the internet per Journal, even Evan Cloud, Anthropic's own chap, out appears to have little information about her. So weird, weird story when the Epstein stuff comes out. And then there's another story that came out and I'll read this and Tom, I'll come to you first.

• 44:56Speaker 00

  Hugh Hefner reported Jeffrey Epstein to the FBI after playmate accused late financier of rape and sex trafficking. Hugh Hefner from Playboy, sex trafficking, and now we're hearing about the story. You think maybe the world needed to notice a little bit earlier? Late Playboy mogul Hugh Hefner allegedly called the FBI to report convicted sex offender after playmate told him she'd been raped and trafficked by the discharged financier. Audra Lynn Christensen, a 2003 playmate, was living with Hefner at the Playboy mansion when she turned to him for help claiming Epstein raped her and trafficked her to his wealthy friends. According to the New York Post, she says that in 2005, after Hefner to call authorities on her behalf, hoping his cloud would get her allegations taken seriously, Mr. Hefner

• 45:41Speaker 00

  called the FBI multiple times on behalf of Mr. Christopher Christensen to report Jeffrey Epstein. The allegations appear in an amended complaint filed in May in federal court in Florida, a lawsuit brought by Epstein victims accusing the FBI of failing to act on multiple reports on sexual abuses dating back to 1996. Christensen, now 46, says she didn't hear back from the FBI until October 2020, 15 years after Hefner, who died in 2017, called them. Tom, thoughts?

• 46:11Speaker 10

  So the reason this is a headline, because there apparently were several people who have, you know, Vinnie, you and I know the heart we have for the kids that were involved in this. There were people that brought this up. There were people that tried to flag it and nothing happened. The reason that Hefner is in the headline was because, you know, five years ago, something like that, five years ago, four years ago, A and E published Secrets of Playboy. And it was a documentary on what happened in Playboy. And Hugh Hefner was accused of trafficking bunnies, they were called, the playmate of the month, and they called them bunnies, trafficking them to his friends that would

• 46:56Speaker 10

  come to Playboy mansion and we would just read about.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  Those were allegations about Hefner?

• 47:00Speaker 10

  Yeah, allegation about Hefner, that was in the A and E documentary, Secrets of Playboy, the same things were out there. Now, after that ran, there were two camps. It was kind of funny. Cooper Hefner, who is Hefner's son, was like, look, my dad was my dad. He was a trailblazer in this area. You may not have liked it, but he was never illegal and never anything bad happened to these girls and everything. He really cared about people. Well, of course, he's saying that. Meanwhile, Playboy, which is now owned by non-Hefner family, remember, they came out and said, today's Playboy is not Hugh Hefner's Playboy. And so they were trying to disan it. So the headline is that, did Hefner really try to do something good for a woman that

• 47:42Speaker 10

  he was close to, that was living with him at the time, and tried to get the attention to the FBI? He probably did. You know, this is, sounds legitimate, you know, because she's got documentation of where she was, when it happened, all the things that happened. And remember, these people in these circles, Pat, they follow the party. They, oh, we're going to go over here for Super Bowl, then we're going over here. They kind of follow the party and they follow the rich buddies where they're going. Hey, we're going to get on this plane, five of us, we're going down over here for this, and they go. Oh, so and so is going to turn 40, we're going to go to the island. And so her coming back and telling Hefner, I find this to be credible, but the reason it's a headline this weekend is because Hefner and Playboy were accused of the same thing dating back to the 70s.

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  Vinnie, thoughts?

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, it's like every couple of weeks, maybe a month, it goes by, we don't hear about Epstein because the news cycle is so bad, but I just want people out there that I kind of have that, eh, whatever, it's not whatever. Like he was just some rich pervert or whatever, but look at all the names connected to this guy, okay, from Bill Gates, Les Wexner, Leon Black. Remember, everybody, guys, as if everybody forgot, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Ahud Marak, Glenn Dubin, some of the biggest names, all these guys. And now it goes back to Hugh Hefner and the reporting. The thing that bothers me, Pat, is the reporting it, the reporting it and the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, waiting 15 years. That, and again, look at the stuff that happened when he was here, Tom.

• 50:20Speaker 10

  Bingo, bingo, bingo, that's the thing.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  How, 15 years? So when people like us, like Tom, we talk about, like, everybody is in on it, they look at you like you're crazy, and then you hear stories like this. If you can't, if you're trying to contact the FBI for sexual assault or rape or whatever, and because it's this guy who was protected, that belongs to intelligence, remember what they said, Tom?

• 50:45Speaker 10

  That was the quote, he belongs to intelligence. Somebody was told somebody.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Alastair Costa, I believe, Alastair Costa, who was here. He belongs to intelligence. It drives me crazy. And again, this story, you said this a couple of months ago, is never going to go away. It's going to keep resurfacing. And I just want everybody to keep understanding how powerful he was and how powerful this blackmail operation was, because that's what it was. He worked for intelligence agencies and their main thing was getting dirt on you, either through your email or you were at the Epstein island or you at his freaking mansion, like Ahud Marak, how many times he freaking visited, because they got dirt on you. And once they have dirt on you, they could do anything that they want to you and they have you for the rest of your life. Plain and simple.

• 51:26Speaker 10

  Did you think Hefner had the ability to pick up the phone and talk to one of his lawyers and know who to call?

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 51:32Speaker 10

  Absolutely.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Absolutely, Tom.

• 51:33Speaker 10

  So this shows you how big, if the supposition and all this evidence is true, which lines up, and we're making assumptions here.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  Yes, we are.

• 51:41Speaker 10

  Allegedly, this is the way it unfolded, but it sure lines up with Acosta and everything else about, about how Epstein was, you know, protected and was doing other things, which, you know, puts wood on the fire of the whole Mossad connection and everything like this, that even Hefner, who would know who to call in law enforcement and his attorneys, can't get somebody's attention.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  And think about it, what, who's been arrested? Has any, with all, going back to Massey, Pat, all this stuff, all these victims, all this, not one person, or Ghislaine Maxwell, who's a pimp, okay, she's in freaking jail, they moved her around because she was talking to Todd Blanch before he got, you know, Attorney General. What are we doing? What are we doing? Everybody just moves on. It's like, next story. It's insane.

• 52:29Speaker 10

  By the way, she didn't talk to Congress. She does talk to justice, and then she gets moved to a slightly better person.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, she talked to his lawyer. Yeah, weird.

• 52:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay. All right, so we'll see, we'll see what happens with a story like this and we'll go to the next one. By the way, I want to get into the Candace and Andrew Wilson debate that took place, but before we do that, let's go, if you have the clip to show of FLB shoes before we get into that, there's so many different things to discuss, the, a lot of people were reacting and saying, oh, he had a wire, he had a mic, he had this, he had that.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Did you see it? Did you, were you able to look at?

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Did you see it?

• 53:02Speaker 02

  I saw him, he kept touching his ear, adjusting his ear.

• 53:05Speaker 00

  Okay, perfect.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Uh-oh.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  I'm so glad, even you, I'm so glad we're going to get into that and have that clip.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  It didn't look like that, though. It didn't look like that.

• 53:12Speaker 00

  I'll tell you, have that clip ready.

• 53:14Speaker 10

  I was looking for those Kamala Harris earrings.

• 53:16Speaker 00

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• 53:56Speaker 00

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• 54:30Speaker 02

  Can I make a, could I make a quick?

• 54:31Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  You, you gave, you gifted me these and I'm just being dead. I would take a lie detector test right now. I swear to everybody out there. You, you gifted me a pair of 2,000. Remember the red bottoms that you gave me? The Louis, the what, what, what company is that, Pat? I'm, I'm not hating on.

• 54:47Speaker 00

  Luby.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Luby or whatever. You gave them to me. I wore them one time and they were the most uncomfortable things I've, and mind you, they look great. Red bottom, oh, whatever the hell that means. I've worn these things, no joke. Okay, you gave these what, six months ago? Like I take, I sprayed them once and I take care of them. And these are absolutely ridiculous. I freaking love, I wouldn't play soccer and I'm like you do, but.

• 55:07Speaker 10

  I think your red bottoms, remember your feet threatened to sue you.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was really, really bad. So those, those are not comfortable, especially if you have to walk around for freaking more than an hour. It's over and they were digging into my legs. So they're freaking dope. Sorry, but I had to, I had to give my testimony.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, so there you go. So with that being said, let's get right into it. So Candace Owens, Andrew Wilson debate. Okay, that took place last week. There's a bunch of things I want to go through. I'm going to go through the, the earpiece. I want to go through certain moments. I want to go through, you know, whose minds were changed. Uh, uh, you know, a few different things that happened. But before I get into my side here, uh, I, I, I kind of want to ask you guys here. Adam, Vinnie, Tom, Vinnie, you were there with us, uh, while we went there. What part of it, when you heard the debate? From Candace's arguments versus Andrew Wilson's argument? Which part were you like, oh, that's a good point by Candace. Very good point by Andrew. Give moments of each side.

• 56:05Speaker 00

  Tom, I'll come to you first.

• 56:06Speaker 10

  Well, there was two things, one each, and they happened very early in the debate. I always look for people that are saying, I have a fact and here it is. Rather than the back and forth, or I sent you this email, that email. And what struck me from Candace is, and I looked it up during the debate. Uh, she talked about the degrading fingerprints and degradation of fingerprints on the weapon. I said, that's really interesting. That is a very interesting point to bring up. Like who was touching the weapon? And I looked it up and the police have to do this like when there's a stabbing in a house, Vinnie. And let's say it's a kitchen knife.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:39Speaker 10

  Kitchen knife can be used by multiple people in there.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  Kids, everybody.

• 56:41Speaker 10

  But what was the last or the most prominent fingerprint? And is it right-handed, left-handed? So the police are good at this. And I looked at that and I go, that's a really good point to make about that. So it got me thinking that, all right, maybe was this gun tampered with? You know, we now speculate 60 years later that James Earl Ray's, um, gun may not have been the rifle. It was actually used to shoot Martin Luther King. So I thought that for Candace was very interesting. Then when Andrew Wilson said, I have a text message here. And he read it of Charlie expressing concern for his own safety at the most highest level. They're trying to kill me.

• 57:20Speaker 10

  I thought, wow, Andrew, you better have that text message and it better be able to be validated on servers by AT&T or whatever carrier, because you could easily get the validation. I had never heard that. And I'm just like, wow, that really told me Charlie's mindset. And my thought there was good point, Andrew. You better be right that that text better really exist untampered.

• 57:43Speaker 00

  Okay, Vinnie.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, uh, I'm going to piggyback off Tom's, uh, for, for Candace. Besides the one that you're talking about, which I had to look, Tom, I looked it up and I kept Googling. And it was a great point because mind you, let's just be honest. I don't think anybody is following the case and watching the hearings more than her. I don't, and, and, and another fact for her, for, uh, for Candace's, she knew all seven charges that were there. Andrew didn't know any. And people could say, yeah, but murder is the same as aggravated murder. It's absolutely not. One carries a death penalty, so that was good. And then I'm going with Tom, the, the fact that he's read a text saying that the left wants to kill me. Like, and he made a good, uh, a point about burden of proof. Like finding holes in the government's case doesn't automatically prove the theory.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  But if you're saying Tyler was a patsy, eventually you have to connect those dots with evidence. So I agree with him on that. But yeah, I think it was the charges, her name, Pat, her knowing them. Him accusing her of using her phone and then you reading it. And then her knowing all of them like that, not being on her phone. And then him not knowing one was, was a bad look. But I do think him having a text saying they're trying to, he asked for, he was talking to security, asking for how many people were involved. And then he said, hey, just let you guys know, let security know. Their job is to protect one person, me. That's it. Which we could get into that later, Pat, but how then, why they let anybody up there? But that's, that's where, uh, that's where I'm at.

• 59:08Speaker 00

  Adam.

• 59:09Speaker 10

  So you want to know what we liked or what we didn't like or what?

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Moments, moments that may have changed your mind to say, hey, that was a good moment for Candace. That's a good question. That's a good moment for Andrew.

• 59:18Speaker 10

  Well, I'll, uh, I'll say this. Uh, wow, is she confident? I, I respect her confidence and, uh, just because you're confident, doesn't mean you're right though. Uh, in fact, uh, a, a sign that maybe you're too confident is maybe not having facts, but having a ton of feelings and vibes and intuition and mobby intuition. But just because you're confident, doesn't mean that you're right. I, I do respect her confidence. Anyone that is ever looking to be more confident in anything, whether you're right or wrong, watch Candace. Uh, the challenge that she has is none of the facts add up. The part that I liked about what Andrew did was at the end, was he like, yeah, yeah, she's got nothing. I, I, it was four hours. How long was it? I watched the whole thing.

• 1:00:00Speaker 10

  Um, and I'm waiting for like the shoe to drop and I wait for his closing statement. And not the best salesperson, not the most likable guy, Andrew. He says that, um, but he's a very gifted debater. And I was waiting for the moment where she got him, but she didn't. She, she has all intuition.

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  So who do you think won the debate?

• 1:00:20Speaker 10

  Um, if it was, uh, if, if you're judging on style and on confidence, Candace. If you're judging on facts and evidence, then, then him. So it all depends on what you're looking for here.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Candace won. She got $300,000 for someone to come in her basement and talk to her about a case. Candace is the winner, but you're, you're wrong about facts and I understand like emotions and whatever. She brought, she knew the charges. She talked about the DNA. The photos were all blurry. The license plate, nothing. I mean, if you think about it, this is a hard thing to prove winner. But when somebody comes to your crib and pays you to come in there to talk to you, you're the winner.

• 1:00:56Speaker 10

  Oh, no doubt. She made money from this. But that doesn't mean you're the big winner, chicken dinner.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  No, but, but I think.

• 1:01:03Speaker 00

  Who do you think won the debate? Forget the money. Who do you think won the debate?

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  I think Candace edged, edged him out. Especially with, especially with Adam, because here's the thing. We like, unless you could prove without a reasonable doubt that this guy did it and other people weren't.

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  Do you feel that way the moment we were in the bus talking? Or do you feel that way now?

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  I've, I've watched it. I've watched it twice now. I think Candace, Andrew did very well. He's a, he's a great debater, but with everything happening, me, Vincent O'Shaughnessy still believes that in my heart of hearts. This dude did not act alone, period. I think he was involved. I think Tyler Robinson was involved, but there's no way anybody, anybody, I don't care who walks in here, poop, can prove to me that this dude, this random.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  By himself.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  By himself.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, George Zinn, standing up.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  I love that you just said that. This dude stands up.

• 1:01:47Speaker 10

  Who else is on the same page? This to me feels a lot like Kennedy. Was Lee Harvey Oswald there? Yes. Did the Corano, uh, uh, I believe it's called Corano. Carbine did it, fired three shots. Yes, it did. But did Oswald do all that and were there not others? No. And so I, I, I don't think this guy acted alone.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  So who do you put that one to debate?

• 1:02:07Speaker 10

  I, I think Candace, you know, moved me a little bit more toward not patsy, but this guy didn't act alone. She moved me a little bit more. I was already on that road, moved me there. But I thought Andrew, in terms of my debate judgment, I just don't think he was as effective in the debate issue.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  So, so, so the thing with, the thing with selective hearing is anytime you want something to be right, for you to be like, I told you, I told you, that's it. Like the earpiece, right? Can you play this clip? This went viral all over the place. Uh, uh, play this.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  What is that? What is that?

• 1:02:46Speaker 00

  That's an earpiece.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  Was that legal?

• 1:02:51Speaker 00

  You see how he's touching his earpiece? Yeah. Was he wearing an earpiece? 100%. He was. Wait a minute. 100%. What do you mean he was wearing an earpiece? Are you ready? Okay, go. That's Candace's earpiece. What does that mean? They gave that earpiece to all of us. So every, oh, you, they, they had it too. No, no, no, but wait a minute. Watch what just happened. The market believes he had an earpiece of things being fed to us. That was an earpiece that Candace's producers gave Candace, gave him. To hear everything you guys, behind the scenes. Is she gonna say that on air? She, she would easily, I don't think she would have a problem. She should, yeah. I think she will. I don't think she has a problem with that, but that is their earpiece, okay? That is their earpiece. Again, remember, if you truly want something to be right,

• 1:03:34Speaker 00

  you're automatically gonna go look for anything to see. I told you, I told you. No, that was their earpiece. It was a very professional earpiece that they handed us, which I think was actually, you know. What was the earpiece for? Because there is no audio for us to watch the clips. Like, you see how. So like, how we're wearing headphones? Yeah, yeah, so. How, you're like, you're wearing an earpiece right now? They don't scream like you scream, so they keep a little bit lower. I say it nicer. They had, because my ears are blown up with you screaming today, but I had to lower the audio. No, but they put this earpiece, so when you're listening to the clips from the back, that's not somebody feeding him anything, okay, while that's going on. Number two, there were three people in the back that they both negotiated, and Candace, and Andrew, Candace was like, fact-check anything, send anything.

• 1:04:17Speaker 00

  There was no restrictions on the fact-checking. That happened. Fact-check anything, send the clips, do whatever you want while you're showing those clips. Uh, the, the other part is, like, this is the conversation I have with Ben Shapiro as well, and guys like Ben Shapiro and Andrew Wilson have to ask themselves this question. There's two things. There is finding people who agree with you, then there is converting. So you know you're going into this. Candace's livestream is hitting, what? 220,000, 250,000, close to 300,000? 3.5 million people watched it on just her channel for 24 hours. On our channel, million and a half. This thing got hundreds of millions of views on Facebook, Instagram.

• 1:05:02Speaker 00

  This is probably a multi-billion view debate that took place. If you count, if you collect what? The TikTok clips, Vinny, if you collect Instagram, everywhere, it's a couple billion views. Okay, it was trending on X for 48 hours. If your job is to convert, and you say all women are retards, you're, you're, you're kind of, automatically, you know that whole. That's what Andrew Wilson said, you're saying. If you watch a debate, when, when Candace says, you said this about Erica Kirk, and he says, no, that's not just Erica Kirk, I believe that about all women. Okay, guess what you're not doing? You're probably not converting anybody, and you're only talking to your base. So the most important data to look at wasn't who won the debate. Of course, that's important to ask on different platforms.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  I think on the podcast at the end, the number was 5248. Was that what it was, 5248? Andrew Wilson was on the podcast, but on. What do you mean 5248? Who won the debate? Yeah. But on. Who's basically 5050. On X, it's 68% Candace. So you can run that poll in different places and get different results. And by the way, on X, it had 151,000 people that voted for it. So that part is taking place. But to me, when Andrew came in, you know, he, he is obviously the more guy that does structured debates as he's going through it. Like, he knows how to do structured debates. And at the beginning, when I asked the question, I said, what is the percentage, 0 to 100% that Tyler Robinson killed, uh, uh, Charlie Kirk? 70% or something, right?

• 1:06:30Speaker 00

  He said 75%, and she said what? 0, right? Well, that's where she lost me. Right, and again. You're gonna say 0%? But that, that's the point. 0? I, I understand, but that's her position, and she loses guys like you. 0? Adam, both. At least say 1%. You know, you know how many people that are. 0% Tyler Robinson. You know how many people that are part of Charlie Kirk were upset that Andrew Wilson said 75%, not 100%? It's the same way that you're saying 0. Some people are like, why wouldn't he say 100%? Respectfully, there's a big difference between 75%, which means more than likely, and 0%, which gives you zero wiggle room. I understand what you're saying. What's gonna happen when the actual trial starts, not a random debate? Adam, what are you doing? I'm sorry. Then I asked Candace, I said, Candace, can anything change your mind?

• 1:07:14Speaker 00

  She said, yes, if something happens today, I would be the first one to say it. That's good for her, to say something like that, right? Uh, and then a, a couple other things in regards to the fingerprint. Yeah, that was an interesting back and forth. The part about her reaching out and Tulsi Gabbard's team doesn't get back to them, why don't you? Why don't you? Like, let's just say if I'm running a department in the White House, and I have a big position, and one of the biggest podcasters sends a message saying someone's trying to take her out, whether there's a less than 1% chance, what are the chances I'm not gonna have Tom just call and just have a conversation with her? What, to tell me what, if something like that happens to us, you don't think I would send somebody from our team to drop a call and say,

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  can you just call Candace and see if everything's okay? You don't think we would do that? We did a million different things. You don't think Tulsi Gabbard knew about that email? Just drop the call. Why don't you make the call? You know, so imagine if something did happen to Candace right afterwards, and that email is documented that was sent, and Candace is willing to give you names and stuff. You don't wanna call? Whether you believe her or not, it's one of the bigger podcasters in America. I think you should call. They didn't make the call. You're saying that Tulsi Gabbard declined even investigating even what she brought up? You just need to make that phone call. So the earpiece BS, all the conspiracy people that wanted that thing to be right, that's Candace's earpiece, team that gave it to them. That's fair. Uh, the, the, the, let me just go through my stuff. I'm gonna give you guys thoughts to respond.

• 1:08:41Speaker 00

  The retarded comment, if you're in the business of converting, you have to understand, your job is to baptize. If you're trying to get people into thinking your way and giving them this much doubt, probably not a good idea to come to the people and you want them to convert and say you guys are retarded. It's not a good idea. Um, uh, the woman comment, and then what else you got? Phone, oh, when Candace handed me the phone, that was such a weird moment. I'm like, okay, here, look at my phone. That was so awesome. I'm like, listen, I don't wanna look at your phone. She says, no, no, you can look at my phone. So she answered, go look at my Signal messages. And while I'm looking at this phone, in my mind, you guys know, this is such a, we do this here on the podcast, when you hand me the phone, I just wanted to say, Benjamin Netanyahu, call me after the podcast. I wanted to say, you're doing great work.

• 1:09:26Speaker 00

  I just wanted, but then I said, it's not appropriate to do it right now. But when the phone was handed for me to read the text, you know, there was nothing there. There was nothing for you to see with Signal and, uh, and X, and, and look, the, the level of intensity for something like this is so high when you're sitting there. Of course, tensions are gonna be high. You gotta give credit. Candace was cool, just stood there, did her thing. And Andrew, this is optics. This is purely optics. The leg moving like this non-stop and all that stuff. And by the way, he has that temperament anyways. That's his personality. So for people that don't know him, you know, people who don't know him, they realize, like, that is his personality.

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  You know who I will say won? Here's who I will say won. I will never give my opinion on who won publicly, because that's not the job of a moderator. That's the job of everybody else to go out there and say so. Once you're in that situation, it's me undermining the two people that are the number one product for them to come to their part. I give my thoughts, but I'm gonna say this. I think both of them won, and I'll tell you why they won. Forget about the financial stuff. There was a bunch of things we had to do. By the way, this thing almost didn't happen till last minute. It was nasty. Lawyers going back and forth. I'm in the email chain while we're going back and forth. Calls, what about this, what about that? They made it work. They actually made it work. But I think Candace won because she got the money, and she presented her argument, and in an area where she conceded, she says, I don't know why you're playing this video, I already conceded to you, and I said, yeah, I was wrong.

• 1:10:55Speaker 00

  And she did that. So that was, that was good for her to do that, and I think she got in front of an audience and moved some people that probably don't watch her content. Remember, baptizing is key. Baptizing is key. And I think Andrew Wilson won because, let me explain it to you how much he won. And I think he won more than Candace won. And my argument's gonna be very, very weird. You ready? You ready? Give me exact what you think. Total eyeballs. Matter of fact, can you ask this on, on Chad GBT or one of these guys? Can you, okay?

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  Can you give me a rough estimate of how many total views that Candace Owens, Andrew Wilson debate got if we combine all the clips on YouTube, all the clips on X, all the clips on Instagram, all the clips on TikTok, all the clips on Facebook, all the clips on every social media site of other people reacting to it, not just the fact that Candace's livestream had 250,000, we had 75,000, and his own had 30,000, the amount of subscribers, give me total amount of viewership that this debate got all in, whether it's a short clip to the viral clips, all of it, what do you think that number is? I want to know what that number you think it is, Vinny.

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• 1:13:31Speaker 12

  The entire debate on all platforms.

• 1:13:34Speaker 00

  Everything combined, I have a guest estimation of what I think it is. Give me a number of what you think it is. You think it had a half a billion views?

• 1:13:41Speaker 12

  I think it was a little, I think over a half a billion.

• 1:13:44Speaker 00

  Tom, what would you say, you're a numbers guy?

• 1:13:46Speaker 12

  And it's still going.

• 1:13:47Speaker 00

  Some would say you're a bigger numbers guy than me, so what would you say as a numbers guy?

• 1:13:50Speaker 12

  You better scream, Tom.

• 1:13:52Speaker 00

  Give me a number.

• 1:13:53Speaker 10

  Grand total?

• 1:13:54Speaker 00

  Grand total, all in, from a small clip that a regular YouTuber posted that got 88 views versus somebody that put a reaction, can you just type in on YouTube?

• 1:14:03Speaker 10

  I'll say what I think.

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  Type in Candace, type in Candace Andrew Wilson, just type in Candace Andrew Wilson, what do you think the number is?

• 1:14:11Speaker 10

  As of right now?

• 1:14:12Speaker 00

  As of right now, and go to filter popularity.

• 1:14:14Speaker 10

  I think if you, if you put everything in there, how can this thing not be a couple hundred million views?

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  Okay, so give me a low number, Tom.

• 1:14:21Speaker 10

  200.

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  200 million views, your high number is what?

• 1:14:24Speaker 12

  I'm going high, Pat, I'm going almost 500 million, mind you, it's this week, by the end of this week, it'll hit 500 million.

• 1:14:29Speaker 10

  You're adding everything up that's flipped.

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  You ready, Tom? You ready, Tom? How much is a 30-second commercial for Super Bowl for, to get in front of 100 million people for only 30 seconds?

• 1:14:40Speaker 12

  5 million, 7 million?

• 1:14:42Speaker 00

  Can you pull up the chat if you can ask the question? How much is it?

• 1:14:45Speaker 10

  I thought we had crossed 10 million a minute.

• 1:14:47Speaker 00

  How much is a Super Bowl, 30-second Super Bowl commercial? Watch this.

• 1:14:51Speaker 10

  Depends on where it is, but in the Super Bowl, you know, not one of those preliminaries.

• 1:14:56Speaker 12

  Eight?

• 1:14:56Speaker 10

  I think it increased.

• 1:14:57Speaker 00

  Eight million, so check this out.

• 1:14:59Speaker 10

  And a handful of premiums, so yeah, I thought over 10 million.

• 1:15:01Speaker 00

  But let's just say 8 million, for how long? For 30 seconds.

• 1:15:04Speaker 10

  30 seconds.

• 1:15:05Speaker 00

  The guys, if we used a lower number and would just say 100 million times 2 is 200 million, 8 million times 2 is 16 million, this guy spent $300,000 and got somewhere between 50 to 200 million dollars of ad viewership.

• 1:15:25Speaker 12

  Great point.

• 1:15:25Speaker 00

  So guess what?

• 1:15:26Speaker 12

  He's a big winner.

• 1:15:27Speaker 00

  My wife at home says, who was the guy? I've never seen him before, my dad says, I've never, most people, his YouTube channel only had 180, 200,000 subs, very good eloquent, I've had him on, he's been on Rogan a couple times, so he's getting the momentum. I think Andrew Wilson won, because for everybody that says, what an idiot to give $300,000, I think it's the same story as Kanye spent $7 million on an ad for Super Bowl and sold $25 million of merch, I think Andrew Wilson won, because overnight now everybody knows who he is. Very simple. So from the business standpoint, Andrew Wilson made a lot more than $300,000.

• 1:16:03Speaker 10

  To a young person who is very uninformed, says, why is Candace and the Gladiator guy doing that debate about Charlie?

• 1:16:10Speaker 12

  The Gladiator, Kanye's got a Russell Crowe vibe.

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  Go ahead.

• 1:16:13Speaker 12

  Well, the reason I agree with you is this, there's levels to this thing, so if you didn't know who Andrew Wilson was, he's very big in the manosphere, or in like the red pill content, he's on whatever, then you have political content, which is a little bit bigger, then you have cultural, pop cultural content, and people always ask me, what happened with Candace? What happened with Candace? This is my opinion, I think she said political content is declining, but you know what's not declining? Conspiracy theories, murder mysteries, pop culture, Jeffrey Dahmer's the number one show on Netflix, so like a Scooby Doo type thing, she's like, I'm gonna follow the crowd, and you win the crowd, you win your freedom, and I actually respect that. I don't respect the methodology which she's doing it, which is basically trampling on

• 1:16:57Speaker 12

  a widow's, on a widow and her kids, but I respect the fact what her game plan is.

• 1:17:02Speaker 00

  Guess what? Then TPUSA, sue her. Then TPUSA.

• 1:17:07Speaker 12

  They're probably considering it.

• 1:17:07Speaker 00

  Do something.

• 1:17:08Speaker 12

  Well, did you see the part where he asked her point blank, will you say on camera right now that Erica Kirk or TPUSA were involved in the murder?

• 1:17:16Speaker 00

  She won't say, because she knows the lawsuit, but she's already said it a couple other times.

• 1:17:20Speaker 12

  She's already insinuated so many times, that's the challenge I have.

• 1:17:23Speaker 00

  But, but listen, there's.

• 1:17:25Speaker 12

  Did she not say, straight to jail? Straight to jail?

• 1:17:27Speaker 00

  There's, there's not, there's not a lot of things, there's not a lot of, because right now, nothing matters more than Charlie Kirk to me, nothing.

• 1:17:36Speaker 12

  I love that you just said that.

• 1:17:37Speaker 00

  Nothing matters more to me than Charlie, my, my loyalty, and by the way, just so everybody says, all you guys did it for money, just so you know, they offered to pay me to go, let me, just so the audience knows, this is the part nobody knows, I didn't take a penny for this thing, how much you think the PJ cost, how much is jet fuel to go there in back top? $50,000?

• 1:17:57Speaker 12

  And it wasn't a small jet, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:17:59Speaker 00

  But you don't understand, we didn't take the money, we didn't take any money, I didn't say, hey, Candace, you gotta pay us, or they offered, Andrew's like, no, we're gonna pay you full cost, whatever you need, don't worry about it, I don't need the money, to me it's Charlie Kirk, I want this thing to be done, and let's find out what happened and move on, because his kids are the ones that are gonna have to for the rest of their lives, I remember one time I had Bobby Kennedy there, and we started talking about his dad, and he wrote a book about it, and nobody studied that more, and I don't know if people know or not, Bobby was a drug addict for 14 years, after what happened to his dad, you guys know he was a heavy heroin user, did you know that?

• 1:18:34Speaker 12

  Heroin?

• 1:18:35Speaker 00

  You didn't know this? He openly talks about it.

• 1:18:37Speaker 12

  I know he's had some health issues.

• 1:18:39Speaker 00

  Bobby Kennedy.

• 1:18:39Speaker 12

  Heroin?

• 1:18:40Speaker 00

  You seriously didn't know?

• 1:18:41Speaker 12

  I didn't know he was doing heroin.

• 1:18:42Speaker 00

  He is openly talking.

• 1:18:43Speaker 12

  Here we are, talking about Hunter Biden.

• 1:18:44Speaker 00

  Are you kidding me, when you lose your father who was supposed to be the president, and he's your hero and your uncle, they get killed, go ahead and go grow up and be an average person? My concern are his kids, that's my number one concern, and number two, TPUSA still being an eyeball to young men, they're not doing that today.

• 1:19:03Speaker 12

  That's true.

• 1:19:04Speaker 00

  They're not doing that today, that's the priority for me, so, all this stuff that happened here, all the conversations that we're having, I think, you know, you know, hopefully, we're gonna see how TPUSA reacts to it, and FYI, to the hospitality part, everybody in the studio working with Candace, respectful, very easy to work with, you know, everybody working with Andrew Wilson's people, they were also very respectful, we were in a group text, because I'm group them, they don't realize, they're not used to our speed, I'm like, hey guys, get this ready, oh shit, Pat's texting while he's doing the live, you know, while I'm sitting there, the funniest meme I saw, there was a lot of funny things that I saw there, this guy named Nassar posted this, and he said, used car salesman sells mixed race couple a 2009 Dodge.

• 1:19:49Speaker 12

  32% ABR, that's like the Mitsubishi Eclipse.

• 1:19:52Speaker 00

  It is, and I responded back and I said, this is slander, I would never sell a Dodge, I'm team Ford all day long, by the way, go a little bit lower, somebody posted a picture which is a better one, this is the picture, zoom in on this picture, click on the picture, please, this is what it would be.

• 1:20:07Speaker 12

  What do I need to do to get you guys in this debate today, guys?

• 1:20:10Speaker 00

  This is what it would be, so.

• 1:20:12Speaker 12

  Can I also say who I think legitimately won?

• 1:20:14Speaker 00

  Who's this?

• 1:20:15Speaker 12

  I think the audience was served very well.

• 1:20:17Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:20:17Speaker 12

  I think, and I know you would never admit this, I think that you were the big winner, because I know you, and I think in the marketplace, trust and credibility, your score increased, I think there's a lot of people that maybe never saw PBD do something like this, and I know your instinct said, this is not about me, it's about them, I'm assuming that's why you sat kind of further back, I think the marketplace said, wow, that's the guy that needs to host these types of debates.

• 1:20:44Speaker 00

  Probably the best compliment I got is from Candace fans telling me you were fair, and Andrew Wilson fans saying you were fair, because both sides were kind of like saying this is gonna be, and, and, and remember, guys, for some of the people are like, well, I would have moderated this one and all that stuff, you don't know what they agreed on.

• 1:21:00Speaker 12

  Yeah.

• 1:21:01Speaker 00

  So I don't know, like, people realize, like, you know, like, we do a moderation with gubernatorial candidates, that was an easy model, boom, boom, boom, boom, I'm controlling it, but there were certain things they agreed in the contract, or lack of proper business agreement that they did, that didn't give a lot of power for Andrew to go, and that's part of the deal, and so, I, I don't want to get into details, they could have done a better job negotiating for him to have been able to push, where some moments she didn't answer the question, because they didn't negotiate that. So that's the part where you're like, why did she say this? Listen, negotiate better, negotiate better, and that, that was his ask, his ask was for

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  him to be in the defense, that there was overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk, I'm not getting, gonna get into details, because that's their business if they do so, but.

• 1:21:55Speaker 12

  Do you guys, do you guys feel bad for Tyler Robinson? Uh.

• 1:21:59Speaker 02

  Why would I feel bad?

• 1:22:00Speaker 12

  No, because if, and I'm not even joking, if there's a 0% chance that he was the killer.

• 1:22:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:05Speaker 12

  As Candace claimed.

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  The killer or on home?

• 1:22:06Speaker 12

  That means that he's an innocent man who's in jail right now. And that's a challenge that I have, is that if he is innocent, there's an innocent man sitting in jail right now, whose family and lover has turned him in. So I'm a little confused right now.

• 1:22:22Speaker 00

  Andrew Wilson said, if your son was wrongly convicted of killing somebody, wouldn't your parents come out and keep saying, hey, you know, this is not fair? You typically would see this, and we have not seen this. The parents are saying, no, he killed.

• 1:22:40Speaker 12

  That's the challenge I have.

• 1:22:41Speaker 00

  And again, this is why this allows the audience to go and do their own research and be a follow up.

• 1:22:46Speaker 12

  That's fine.

• 1:22:46Speaker 00

  So great, so let's see what happens.

• 1:22:48Speaker 12

  And I'll just end it right here. The 0% thing is what I have a problem with. If she said 1%, I'd say at least you're giving yourself an out.

• 1:22:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:56Speaker 12

  0%, you're saying Tyler Robinson is the killer? Maybe we're all due.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  Which I don't, which I don't, listen, I don't agree with, but, and I, my point, and a lot of people are making, a lot of people, oh, he is involved for sure. I don't know the percent, because guess what? There's still a trial, and like I said, here's my question.

• 1:23:10Speaker 12

  She still said 0, what do you think?

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  I'm being honest.

• 1:23:12Speaker 12

  You were there.

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  You, none of us have been following the trial at all, 0, 0. Have you sat there and watched any of it, Adam? No.

• 1:23:20Speaker 12

  I've watched a lot of it, yes.

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  You've watched all the preliminary hearings and the, and the.

• 1:23:24Speaker 12

  I've watched a lot of the.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  So what was the most compelling thing for you that you think it was Tyler Robinson? What was the number one thing that stood out for you?

• 1:23:31Speaker 12

  There's so much evidence out here.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  Give me one.

• 1:23:33Speaker 12

  Here's the question.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 1:23:34Speaker 12

  What is the evidence that you have that it's the French Legion, that it's Israeli propaganda? That it's Egyptian planes?

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  Hold on.

• 1:23:41Speaker 12

  There's a million more evidence.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  You didn't answer my.

• 1:23:43Speaker 12

  Hear me out.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  I asked you a question.

• 1:23:46Speaker 12

  There's a million more evidence that it's Tyler Robinson, other than any other conspiracy theory outsider.

• 1:23:51Speaker 02

  So catch you a question.

• 1:23:52Speaker 12

  You think it's his exploding microphone?

• 1:23:53Speaker 02

  No, can I ask you a question, Adam?

• 1:23:54Speaker 12

  Is it the video? Is it the admission?

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  And again, I tried to ask a question, and you're just gonna try to talk over me? Because I asked you, because I asked you a question. I don't think that you sat there and watched, unless you're home, sitting at home, watching all this. My thing is this, questioning the official narrative, and he brought up JFK and RFK and everybody. JFK, the President of the United States, was murdered, murdered in front of everybody, 62 years ago, okay? And the guy that, Adam, now with all the documents that were released less than a year ago, CIA involved, Lyndon B. Johnson involved, all these guys, and the guy that shot him, Lee Harvey Oswald, said out loud, I am a patsy. And what happened to him, Adam? In the basement of the Dallas jail, he's shot by Jack.

• 1:24:33Speaker 12

  Let's live in reality today, not in 1963.

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  Do me a favor, do me a favor, because I just want to, my point is being, he was shot in the stomach by Jack Rubenstein, and then Jolly West, a CIA, MKUltra research guy, goes in, talks to him. He says, put a needle in me, and he lost his mind. So are you ready for this? That's 62 years ago. Now we're just finding out, oh my God, wait, the CIA and all these people did it? So to act like this can't be some crazy people involved? Because here's my point, Pat's an entrepreneur, right, Pat? You know everything, and Tom as well, anything that has to do about the profession, meaning hiring, scaling, acquisition, negotiation, selling, you are a pro at this. Hands down, you and Tom are the best that I've ever seen do it. When you're in the business of assassination, Adam, guess what you're really good at?

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Killing and covering your tracks and getting away with it, and having this big umbrella of, who? Wait, it happened with JFK. Don't, don't throw it away that, hold on, living in reality, they killed the sitting president in front of everybody, and everybody knows now, all the people involved, but they're all dead, so we can't do anything. So when I say, I believe, I'm not, I'm not getting into schematics, Adam, because I haven't seen all the stuff, because the trial hasn't happened. What I'm saying is, all the little stuff of digging up the place where he was shot, uh, you know, getting rid of him there and cleaning the thing, and, uh, you know, George Zinn, who, by the way, obstruction of justice, the moment Charlie was shot, you mean to tell me, this dude knew to stand up?

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  Because he said, when he was arrested, I did it to let the killer get away. Think about that.

• 1:26:07Speaker 12

  Is he on trial?

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  He, and I love that you just said that. I hope this guy gets brought into that courtroom, and hey, who told you? Because he told people in the hospital, yeah, I was supposed to get paid for doing it, but nobody paid me. Those nurses, those medical professionals, this is a big freaking case that none of us, Adam, you're saying that you watched it? There is so much evidence and stuff.

• 1:26:29Speaker 12

  Yeah.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  You can't say anything. I, I, your question to me was.

• 1:26:32Speaker 12

  Whether I've watched 10 hours or 100 hours is irrelevant to me. That's exactly saying, how much Epstein coverage have you, have you followed?

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  A lot, a lot.

• 1:26:40Speaker 12

  Okay.

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:26:41Speaker 12

  So am I questioning how much you've researched Epstein?

• 1:26:43Speaker 02

  No, but you question, you question a lot during the, how many podcasts have we had where you're like, it's not even a big, who cares, whatever, move on.

• 1:26:50Speaker 12

  I don't understand, what's your point?

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  What's my point?

• 1:26:53Speaker 12

  You haven't made a point.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  When it came to Epstein and stuff, you're like, it doesn't really matter, who gives a damn?

• 1:26:57Speaker 12

  But you're asking me about Tyler Robinson. I believe that that's the murderer. And if you show me evidence that it's anything else.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:27:04Speaker 12

  Bring me actual evidence, not George Zinn standing out there, not an Egyptian plane, not an Israeli conspiracy theory. You know, we know what I always find funny about the Israeli conspiracy theory?

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  I didn't say anything about that.

• 1:27:14Speaker 12

  I'm saying this, you know what I always find funny? What book have I been reading for the past, I've read it again now, which is, uh, Stop in the Name of God, Observing the Sabbath, How It'll Change Your Life? You're telling me that Charlie Kirk is, for the last year of his life, writing a book about the Jewish Sabbath is gonna automatically flip on Israel? Not buying that. By the way, you know what would be so simple? Rather than eliminating Charlie Kirk, just eliminate the people that are actually sowing discord and chaos in the marketplace. Why would you take out your best free agent? That makes no sense to me. So to me, all these stories, we've talked about signal versus noise at this company for two years now? A lot of noise, a lot of BS, no actual evidence. That's the challenge I have.

• 1:27:53Speaker 00

  Well, the trial's coming, so. Go to the next story, and again, this is, this sparks the conversation, and people talk about it, and hopefully, as we're going through this, Vinnie, if they show proof at the end that Tyler Robinson is charged, kind of like Luigi Mangione, if he comes out and like, do you believe Luigi Mangione killed, uh?

• 1:28:12Speaker 12

  He confessed.

• 1:28:13Speaker 00

  So if Tyler Robinson confesses, do you believe it?

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:28:15Speaker 00

  So, so, so if Tyler.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  If Tyler Robinson goes, I killed him.

• 1:28:19Speaker 00

  Comes out and said, I killed him, you say, it's done, forget about it, he killed him.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  No, no, no, not forget about it, did he work with other people?

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no. If he comes out, and he says, I pulled the trigger, I killed Charlie, are you done?

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. If Tyler Robinson comes out.

• 1:28:36Speaker 00

  Similar to Mangione, because Mangione just came out, I just want to preface this, because this is the part where some people, remember, Vinnie, the moment I said earpiece, you said, oh my God.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  I saw it, I didn't, yeah, I saw the earpiece.

• 1:28:46Speaker 00

  You jumped to conclusion thinking there's something there.

• 1:28:48Speaker 02

  No, you said, is it an earpiece? Of course I'm gonna say it's an earpiece, because I saw him playing in his ear.

• 1:28:52Speaker 00

  That's not the point, that what I'm, I'm, I'm in the middle here of what I'm trying to, because my number one priority is what?

• 1:28:59Speaker 02

  It's Charlie Kirk.

• 1:28:59Speaker 00

  Charlie Kirk.

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  Who killed him, who was in on it?

• 1:29:01Speaker 00

  That's my number one priority.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:03Speaker 00

  It's my number, I showed up and didn't ask for a penny, because I don't want people to say, he got paid. I get paid 350 to speak for one hour to a half a million dollars. That's my speaking fee today. I did, I don't do, and we flew out, we asked for nothing, not the hotel rooms, not the flight, not the food, not, nothing. I don't want any of it.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:29:19Speaker 00

  Because we went for Charlie, and by the way, well, you made the money back. We have not, just so you know, all in cost, we have not.

• 1:29:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:25Speaker 00

  Exposure, fine, all that stuff, you can make that case. I went because we made a, we made a, uh, Henry made a tribute for Charlie Kirk that we're gonna play at the Vault Conference.

• 1:29:36Speaker 12

  Really?

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:29:37Speaker 00

  The room's gonna be, if people, those people who were at the Vault last year, who are in the room that we shared this together, that moment when Tony Robbins is on stage going like this, nobody knows Charlie was shot and killed. This has happened while Tony's on stage going like this. Tony has no clue what's going on, he hasn't checked his phone.

• 1:29:54Speaker 12

  No.

• 1:29:55Speaker 00

  There is 6,000 people in that room, jumping up and down with Tony, and then we have to come up on stage, and Tom gets on his knees and gives, drops that prayer, and you give me the signal, and you ain't telling, I'm like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, I, I'm confused at this point, right?

• 1:30:10Speaker 12

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Speaker 00

  So Charlie's my priority, but to me, it's also realizing, if you have your own biases, your own bias to say, I want that to be right, you're only gonna see this, you won't give any attention to this. You know what's the most important data? Who that thought Tyler Robinson's not the killer, that Andrew Wilson changed their mind? What percentage? And who that thought Tyler Robinson is the killer, Candace Owens changed her mind, says he's not? It could be a patsy. That's the only number that matters. We ran that poll, actually, can you pull up that poll? This is the poll that matters the most, believe it or not. Nothing is above it, because the idea of trying, that's what I say, who runs America in elections, it's who? Independents.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:56Speaker 00

  Not the Democrats that are only gonna vote Democrats, and not the Republicans that are only gonna vote Republican. You know why Stephen A. Smith's getting crushed? By the way, can you guys pull that up? I'm asking for.

• 1:31:04Speaker 02

  Which poll, Pat?

• 1:31:05Speaker 00

  He knows what it is, right here. Uh, zoom, zoom in.

• 1:31:10Speaker 00

  Are you guys serious right now? You just texted it to me. This is so funny right now. They're showing me a completely different. Yeah. He literally texted to me multiple times. So just pull up what you texted me, guys, in the back. So you, you, this poll here explains whose minds were changed.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:31:28Speaker 00

  That's it. Nothing else, nothing more, nothing less. This is the one that matters the most. I think you literally just send it to me right here, guys. It's.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  And what was the poll, Pat?

• 1:31:44Speaker 00

  It's a poll. Okay, I'll just read it before they get it. So time for a final verdict. Who won this debate? And who did you favor?

• 1:31:52Speaker 02

  There it is.

• 1:31:53Speaker 00

  Okay, going in. I favored Candace. Candace won 39%. I favored Candace. Andrew won 9%. I favored Andrew. Andrew won 45%. I favored Andrew. Candace won 8%.

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  So the nine and the 8%. The moveable middle.

• 1:32:10Speaker 00

  So, so really, the plus minus is what? What's the plus minus? One.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  One.

• 1:32:14Speaker 00

  Towards, towards Andrew.

• 1:32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:16Speaker 00

  Do you understand what just happened right there?

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:32:18Speaker 00

  No one's gonna change your mind. No one's gonna change the other person's mind that they're sitting there like, there's no way like, he's already said, you're already said. You guys are actually irrelevant. Because you, your mind is gonna be like, no, I think.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  I'm just following evidence.

• 1:32:32Speaker 00

  And you're gonna be like, oh, I think there's something there in George's end. Those two communities, believe it or not, are not part of this. The people that are part of it are like, I don't know, man. I think, I think there's something like, Tom just said something. Tom's like, that whole thing with fingerprint, that's a little weird, right? Or somebody saying, man, that whole part about asking a question and you don't have a single evidence to show invalid. Ooh, I, I don't know why you're not showing it. You know, he's showing evidence. You, you said this and you. That's the part that matters. And, and let's see what the turnout ends up becoming. Luigi Mangione comes out and says the following. By the way, the, the, the interesting thing is Luigi Mangione admitting to it happened while we're live.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:11Speaker 00

  I don't know if you know this or not.

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  During the debate.

• 1:33:13Speaker 00

  While we're live is when it happened. While we're live. Luigi Mangione admits to shooting United Healthcare CEO as he pleads guilty in federal case. Admits. Okay, admits. This is not, you know, somebody told me to do it. MKUltra, this is not, there was a George in, because there's not a George in involved in this one.

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  No, he was, he was on camera.

• 1:33:35Speaker 00

  Luigi admitted to shooting United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson as he pleaded guilty Friday to two federal stalking counts. A dramatic turn in high stake, high profile killing. After years of enduring severe pain from a broken back, I learned that United Healthcare would be holding its annual investor conference in New York City. Mangione, folks, this is shocking on what happened here. Check this out. He told the federal courtroom that when he learned there was a conference, he learned the conference's exact location by emailing the company posing as an investor with more than $50 billion in capital in an email.

• 1:34:14Speaker 00

  This is almost shocking when you read this, Vinnie.

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:16Speaker 00

  Before traveling to New York, I used a 3D printer to make part of a gun and I equipped the gun with a silencer and a magazine. I shot Mr. Thompson, this is Luigi, in Manhattan, and he died. I knew what I was doing was illegal.

• 1:34:34Speaker 00

  U.S. District Judge Margaret Garnett accepted the plea. Sentencing is set for December 18. Thompson's family, his wife and mother in front row, their first courtroom appearance, called the plea an important step toward justice. In a rare statement, Mangione's attorney simultaneously filed to dismiss the separate state charges under New York's double jeopardy law. His state murder trial is scheduled for September 8. So if Tyler Robinson does the same exact thing that Mangione said, you're done.

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  Of course. Yes, and I want to ask you a question.

• 1:35:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  Do you think Tyler Robinson shot Charlie all by himself? Meaning, nobody else helped him? He just went on the roof with the screwdriver, did the gun, did everything, put it down.

• 1:35:15Speaker 00

  By himself. I'll give you my answer.

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:17Speaker 00

  That nobody else was involved and influenced it?

• 1:35:19Speaker 02

  Not, not influence. No, no, no. Had a hand, a hand, meaning they planned, they said, okay, I'm gonna do this. You go here at this time. We know the security, whatever. They're probably not gonna check over here.

• 1:35:29Speaker 00

  10% chance.

• 1:35:30Speaker 02

  10% that.

• 1:35:31Speaker 00

  But 10 is high, Vinnie, for me.

• 1:35:32Speaker 02

  I'm sorry. 10% that somebody else, either than him.

• 1:35:36Speaker 00

  That he wasn't, he wasn't by himself.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  Okay. 10% is high for you.

• 1:35:40Speaker 00

  10% is high.

• 1:35:40Speaker 12

  That means there's a 90% chance that Tyler.

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  All by himself.

• 1:35:43Speaker 12

  That's what, that's what Pat just said.

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:35:45Speaker 12

  It's just math.

• 1:35:46Speaker 00

  But 10%? Where are you at?

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm, I'm at 100, me, I'm at 100%. Somebody else was sitting down with him and they planned it.

• 1:35:54Speaker 00

  And who, who could those people be?

• 1:35:57Speaker 02

  I have, I have no.

• 1:35:58Speaker 00

  You speculate. Here, speculate. Who could those be?

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Maybe somebody high up, like, you know how we always find out these leftists that are high up, that are paying for the dis.

• 1:36:05Speaker 00

  Okay, so then let me, let's go a little bit more specific with you, Vinnie.

• 1:36:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:08Speaker 00

  So let's, let's go through who you think it could have been. So high leftist, George Soros, you know, Alex Soros.

• 1:36:15Speaker 02

  Who's the guy overseas?

• 1:36:16Speaker 00

  The guy in Australia, whatever his name is, the, the, I know who you're talking about.

• 1:36:20Speaker 02

  Singer?

• 1:36:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. What, so, so that, what, so let's put that, let's put Israel. Give me a couple other options. Who else is one that's being accused that could have been here?

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  I mean, just the LGBTQ, just the LGBTQ community or whoever.

• 1:36:33Speaker 00

  Perfect. Who else? Tom, who else would you put on that category? Because I'm gonna ask you guys right now the same question. Leftist, Israel, LGBTQ, who else has been accused of having their hands? Can you guys in the back find that? Who else has been accused of having their hands?

• 1:36:51Speaker 00

  Who else has been accused?

• 1:36:53Speaker 12

  Egyptian planes.

• 1:36:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:36:55Speaker 10

  Uh, what's, what's really?

• 1:36:56Speaker 12

  And we could just make stuff up at this point.

• 1:36:58Speaker 00

  You're playing around. I'm not.

• 1:36:59Speaker 12

  I'm not playing around.

• 1:37:00Speaker 00

  You are, though. I'm not.

• 1:37:01Speaker 12

  I'm not.

• 1:37:01Speaker 00

  You are, though.

• 1:37:02Speaker 12

  You can make up anything, is my point.

• 1:37:03Speaker 00

  You are. I'm asking for the top, stop.

• 1:37:05Speaker 12

  I said Egyptian planes.

• 1:37:07Speaker 00

  I'm asking for top 5. Who else? Be reasonable. Who else in the top 5?

• 1:37:10Speaker 12

  LGBTQ.

• 1:37:11Speaker 00

  I have that already. Who else?

• 1:37:14Speaker 00

  Is it fair it's just these 3?

• 1:37:16Speaker 12

  Majority.

• 1:37:17Speaker 00

  Leftist, LG, leftist billionaires, like somebody like.

• 1:37:21Speaker 12

  The CIA.

• 1:37:22Speaker 00

  Let's put CIA. Good. That's what I want. CIA. What else? The federal government?

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say.

• 1:37:28Speaker 00

  Would you put the CIA?

• 1:37:29Speaker 12

  Oh, no.

• 1:37:30Speaker 00

  Plus the federal government?

• 1:37:30Speaker 12

  Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA.

• 1:37:32Speaker 00

  All right, let's go down. Erica Kirk and TPUSA. Vinnie.

• 1:37:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:37:36Speaker 00

  I'm gonna come to you first. Out of 100 of who could have been involved?

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  So this all has to add up to 100?

• 1:37:42Speaker 00

  200. Like you said, 60% this, 30, no, it's, it's fine. I'll add it for you. What, just lead with what is your highest? What is your lowest?

• 1:37:48Speaker 02

  I think the highest would be somebody from the, these higher up.

• 1:37:52Speaker 00

  LGBT.

• 1:37:53Speaker 02

  You could put, I think, ah.

• 1:37:54Speaker 00

  Because it's different. Because these guys are money and power.

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  That's money and power.

• 1:37:57Speaker 00

  You know.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  I would, I would put, I mean, those guys to me are at the top.

• 1:38:01Speaker 00

  Leftist? Where do you put leftists?

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• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  60%.

• 1:39:49Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  That it's somebody that wanted the biggest voice that was pushing conservatives towards Christianity and positivity and entrepreneur.

• 1:39:55Speaker 00

  Where do you put Erica Kirk, TPUSA?

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  I don't think Erica had anything to do with it.

• 1:39:59Speaker 00

  So zero?

• 1:40:00Speaker 02

  Zero.

• 1:40:00Speaker 00

  Okay, where do you put Israel?

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  5%.

• 1:40:04Speaker 00

  Where do you put LGBTQ?

• 1:40:09Speaker 00

  I want you to write down yours as well, because I'm coming to you guys.

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  LGBTQ, 15%.

• 1:40:13Speaker 00

  Okay, and then CIA?

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  CIA.

• 1:40:15Speaker 00

  CIA, federal government, FBI, like somebody in the government.

• 1:40:18Speaker 02

  It's gonna be low, maybe 10%.

• 1:40:19Speaker 00

  Okay, so, so by the way, just so you know, 10, 25, you're almost there, 90%. So I get it, so your main thing is, your highest is leftist, your lowest is Israel.

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Speaker 00

  Okay, your lowest is TPUSA.

• 1:40:30Speaker 02

  TPUSA.

• 1:40:30Speaker 00

  Then Israel. Okay, Tom, where are you at?

• 1:40:33Speaker 10

  So I'm at 70 on the leftist.

• 1:40:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:40:37Speaker 10

  And, but to me, you know, LGBTQ is with the left.

• 1:40:40Speaker 00

  Perfect, so let's combine those two together.

• 1:40:42Speaker 10

  So I put them both together.

• 1:40:44Speaker 02

  So Pat, I can add to mine too then, right?

• 1:40:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, 75 is where you're at.

• 1:40:46Speaker 10

  You know, and I'm at, you know, Israel and the CIA, you may think I'm crazy, but I'm like, eh, 15 each, because somebody has to help somebody.

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:56Speaker 00

  Israel and TPUSA.

• 1:40:57Speaker 10

  No, no, no.

• 1:40:58Speaker 02

  CIA.

• 1:40:59Speaker 10

  And CIA.

• 1:41:00Speaker 00

  15 each?

• 1:41:01Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 1:41:01Speaker 00

  And you're zero at TPUSA?

• 1:41:03Speaker 10

  Zero.

• 1:41:04Speaker 00

  Okay, so you're saying the federal government or the Israel is tied for 15% each?

• 1:41:09Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 1:41:10Speaker 00

  And if you're at federal government 15%, who would that be?

• 1:41:14Speaker 10

  Well, our...

• 1:41:16Speaker 00

  Is that from current administration or previous?

• 1:41:18Speaker 10

  No, no, no, no, no, it's not current administration. This is the previous shadow government, this is Dick Cheney in the basement.

• 1:41:24Speaker 00

  It's important to qualify that.

• 1:41:25Speaker 10

  Yes, I will say that.

• 1:41:26Speaker 00

  Your same place as well?

• 1:41:27Speaker 10

  Yes.

• 1:41:27Speaker 02

  I'm in the same place as Tom.

• 1:41:28Speaker 00

  Okay, Adam?

• 1:41:30Speaker 10

  So I'm shadow government that predates.

• 1:41:32Speaker 00

  I got it, that's actually helpful.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  That's the deep state, Tom, good.

• 1:41:35Speaker 12

  Well, the number one question that I would ask is, who's motivated by this and what's the incentive? And this is why I have my answer.

• 1:41:40Speaker 00

  Fair question, go for it.

• 1:41:41Speaker 12

  My answer is 99.9% Tyler Robinson and the leftist agenda, because he was incentivized to kill the person that he thought was the most outspoken against their agenda.

• 1:41:52Speaker 00

  Great.

• 1:41:53Speaker 12

  So to me...

• 1:41:54Speaker 00

  99% Tyler Robinson and leftist.

• 1:41:56Speaker 10

  I mean, their agenda, I mean, conservative.

• 1:41:57Speaker 00

  Israel and CIA.

• 1:41:59Speaker 12

  Well, the reason that I don't have TPUSA, Israel, or maybe even the CIA is, how does this advance their agenda at all?

• 1:42:05Speaker 00

  Pick one, because you have 1%, where does your 1% go?

• 1:42:08Speaker 12

  No, I have 0.01%.

• 1:42:09Speaker 00

  Where does that go?

• 1:42:10Speaker 12

  Uh, CIA.

• 1:42:11Speaker 00

  Okay, right, that's all I need from you. So you're putting zero Israel, zero, so what you guys all are saying, which is not some of the things that's being told, a lot of people would say, would say Candace has had some positions with criticism toward TPUSA, all of you are at 0% that it's not Erica Kirk or TPUSA.

• 1:42:29Speaker 02

  I, I, I don't see that, I don't see...

• 1:42:32Speaker 12

  But what was Candace on this?

• 1:42:33Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 1:42:34Speaker 12

  But I'm saying, like, she said 0% Tyler, so there must be an equitable distribution.

• 1:42:38Speaker 00

  She would probably have a higher percentage of thinking that TPUSA may have been involved in some parts of this. But this is more a reasonable way of looking at it to say, this is my position.

• 1:42:48Speaker 12

  You said you're 90.

• 1:42:49Speaker 00

  I'm 90 what?

• 1:42:50Speaker 12

  You said you're 90% Tyler Robinson.

• 1:42:53Speaker 02

  No, no, he said there was a 10% chance that somebody helped him.

• 1:42:57Speaker 12

  Oh, my apologies, but you said that means it's...

• 1:43:01Speaker 00

  I am, I am very, very little, I'm, I'm very little on where people are at, yeah, very, very little.

• 1:43:08Speaker 12

  What's your distribution?

• 1:43:09Speaker 00

  If you give my distribution, I, I think if TPUSA and Erica Kirk thought there was a benefit for Charlie Kirk Levin, the TPUSA organization, until they get a male figure that's respected by other men, I hate to say this, they're gonna be a female organization. No man will look up at Erica Kirk and say, I want to grow up to be like Erica Kirk. Men are not like that, they're not. So if automatically you put a female in this kind of, by the way, this is not in companies, there's plenty of female CEOs that crush.

• 1:43:47Speaker 12

  Turning point.

• 1:43:48Speaker 00

  But the brand isn't to build men, the product is to build, it's, the brand here is, we're gonna raise strong men and da, da, da, da, da, da, da, right?

• 1:43:57Speaker 12

  Strong family.

• 1:43:57Speaker 00

  So it's a, that's like all of a sudden, PBD Podcast, I change it from me to a female running this, the audience is gonna be like, well, you're 80% male audience, you just draw, because you can't do that, right?

• 1:44:07Speaker 12

  Yep.

• 1:44:08Speaker 00

  So to me, I have a very low number here. CIA has, has to do a better job for me in proving their trust, so there's always gonna be somebody in this organization, like, when you see James Comey saying 86, 47, I'm, I'm gonna put a small percentage here that they could be involved, you know, 10% here, and then for me, I'm gonna go to leftist, you know, pretty much 80 something percent, I don't think Israel won from it, but I'll always put 1% there just in case. So I'm gonna be 89% leftist, 10% CIA, 1% Israel, and I don't think TPUSA had anything. If they did, you're the dumbest criminals in the world. If they did, and I don't think that's the case, if they did.

• 1:44:51Speaker 12

  Can we bring this back to Mangione, because we were talking about Mangione? Here's the challenge that I, that I want people to think about, what percentage of the marketplace, after Luigi Mangione has admitted to killing the CEO, he stalked him, he printed the gun, he went there, he emailed him, he lied, he told him that he's an investor, showed up, killed him, boom, admitted to it, what percentage of the marketplace, especially woke liberal women, still think that he's innocent, or at least justified?

• 1:45:17Speaker 00

  There's videos going viral saying this guy was a revolutionary.

• 1:45:20Speaker 02

  They love him.

• 1:45:21Speaker 12

  This is my point.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  They love him.

• 1:45:22Speaker 12

  Is that, is that, there's gonna be a segment of the marketplace who...

• 1:45:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is it, is this the lady, yeah, play this clip?

• 1:45:29Speaker 17

  It is about Luigi, but it's also about the conversation he started, so if you were just here for a free, fair trial for him, you know, that's not afforded to most people. I see it more as a revolutionary act of protest, of the likes of which we haven't seen since the civil rights era. I want America to continue questioning, you know, our current predicaments and why we allow our futures to be stolen away by oligarchs.

• 1:45:52Speaker 12

  So the challenge I have with that, the challenge I have with that is, it's okay to question, that's fine, just asking questions, but once you get the answer from the person who actually, from the horse's mouth, then you at least have to concede, yeah, maybe let me loosen my position a little bit, these people are doubling down on dumb.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  She's not, by the way, she's not saying, she's not saying he's not, he's innocent, she's saying, goods that be murdered.

• 1:46:14Speaker 12

  Justified, exactly.

• 1:46:14Speaker 02

  She's saying, what she's saying is, hey, our system is broken, kill and revolution, Adam, she's calling for, hey, listen, everybody else, you guys should start doing it, you should start murdering. By the way, the reason he's saying this, and he's coming clean, is because he's gonna try to plead to where he's not gonna get the death penalty, because guess what, afterwards, the cops saw him, where was he, at a McDonald's, wherever he was sitting there, they're like, yo, they caught him after. It's not like there's like a question and there's no videotape of him, they caught him right after and arrested him, and there's, you know, evidence of, you know, fingerprints and all that stuff, but then it's now he's admitting it, that, that was him, was it McDonald's? Yeah, he was at McDonald's.

• 1:46:53Speaker 12

  I mean, this is the problem, is that even after admitting guilt, that people still are like, no, he's a revolutionary.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  Who was, who was?

• 1:46:59Speaker 12

  That's like saying Tyler Robinson, if and when he admits to killing Charlie Kirk to basically escape the death penalty, there's people that are gonna still say, well, maybe he was justified because LGBTQ rights come above Charlie Kirk's freedom of speech. To me, that is nonsense.

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  Well, you guys, you guys, the Night Stalker case in California, Richard Ramirez, well, girls were showing up crying, fighting for him because they, they wanted him, so let, let...

• 1:47:23Speaker 00

  I'm not saying that liberal women shouldn't vote, I just think they should think twice before they do it.

• 1:47:27Speaker 12

  Oh my God, so, anyway.

• 1:47:29Speaker 00

  Tom, any thoughts on this, Mangione?

• 1:47:30Speaker 10

  Yes, I'm, I have an explanation for people if they really want it, and I'll make this really quick, Pat. So, um, we want it. Why does he plead guilty? Why does he plead guilty?

• 1:47:41Speaker 00

  You're talking about Mangione now? To prevent from a death sentence, is that why you think?

• 1:47:43Speaker 10

  Well, basically, the capital murder part of this was already on edge, and this was gonna be second degree murder, because the capital murder was, there's a certain spontaneousness to it, I'm not arguing that, I'm saying that's what's coming out of the motions in the court. And you have two courts, the federal court with the two stalking charges, and then you have New York court with second degree murder. The reason they, and I think Mangione's lawyer is Agnifilio, I think, if I pronounce that correct, Agnifilio, if you guys could let me know.

• 1:48:17Speaker 00

  The lady, yes.

• 1:48:18Speaker 10

  Yeah, Agnifilio.

• 1:48:20Speaker 12

  I think you got that one, Tom.

• 1:48:21Speaker 10

  So, um, this is what they're doing.

• 1:48:23Speaker 00

  She's a strong lawyer, she's a heavyweight.

• 1:48:25Speaker 10

  Yes, they are pleading guilty, this is, no, I'm not endorsing Mangione in any way, and I'm not a fan of his, I'm letting you know how this puzzle...

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  Thank you for taking such a strong position.

• 1:48:35Speaker 10

  No, no, because some people may think, you're doing this, no, no, this is how this is playing out. They are pleading guilty to the stalking charges, and in pleading guilty to stalking, you can say whatever the hell you want.

• 1:48:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:48:48Speaker 10

  And so he says, I followed him, I shot him.

• 1:48:51Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:48:51Speaker 10

  He, Mr., you know, sir, excuse me, sir, bang, right? Stop, and now, here's what this triggers, no public trial, you don't put the public through that, you don't put the victim's family through that, you don't read testimony, testimony through that, and you're guilty to the two federal charges and you're waiting sentencing. What she has simultaneously done is she is filed under New York State's double jeopardy law. Do you know what the Fifth Amendment is? The Fifth Amendment is no double jeopardy, you can't be tried twice for the same thing, unless...

• 1:49:26Speaker 00

  Fifth Amendment?

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  Fifth is, isn't Fifth Fauci, isn't Fauci the Fifth?

• 1:49:30Speaker 10

  Yeah, well, it's, it's all part of it.

• 1:49:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:49:32Speaker 10

  And so what it is, is you can't be tried twice. Now, if there's a mistrial and we have to do a do-over, that's different. So in New York State, where this is, their double jeopardy clause, Pat, is actually thicker than the federal governments in terms of, it's hard to...

• 1:49:49Speaker 00

  Why is that?

• 1:49:50Speaker 10

  It's just the way New York has made its laws on this. And so you have, if he's guilty on federal, and then you go to the state trial, the penalties and the sentencing will stack on top, and you will have Judge Garnett at the federal level, and Judge, I believe the name is Carl, Judge Carl, at the state level. So what they're doing, they're trying to take Judge Carl out of play, get the, and by the way, that will happen in a ruling that has to happen before September 8th. So before September 8th, if New York and Judge Carl come back, say, you're right, this would be double jeopardy, we have a, a guilty plea, because the double jeopardy in New

• 1:50:34Speaker 10

  York is based on the same criminal transaction. Well, the transaction was killing, so guess what? His only shot at getting out in his 60s is that the federal judge gives him, say, 40 years, 45 years for this, and then he serves 85%, good behavior, and he gets out. That is the play that his team is trying to get here, because death penalty is off the table, so... That's what's going on. And they're trying, if they get the ruling on by September 8th, Judge Carl says, you're right, under the New York State double jeopardy, we can't try him because federal is an already found, has already found him guilty by his own guilty.

• 1:51:18Speaker 00

  Will this guy ever walk in the streets?

• 1:51:20Speaker 10

  We will find out when Judge Garrett, Garnett, Judge Garnett does sentencing on the federal side. If he does less, if he does 40 or 50 years, he could be out when he's 65 or 70 years old.

• 1:51:35Speaker 00

  Or earlier, Tom, 50%. So he can be out in?

• 1:51:38Speaker 10

  Eighty-five percent.

• 1:51:39Speaker 00

  Oh, it's 85%.

• 1:51:40Speaker 10

  Apparently federal guidelines.

• 1:51:42Speaker 00

  Got it. Interesting. Wow. So 85% means if you're getting 40, you're doing 35 of it.

• 1:51:47Speaker 10

  Yes.

• 1:51:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're doing 35 of it.

• 1:51:49Speaker 10

  And so Agnifilio, as a, I think this is good lawyering by Agnifilio, even though we all would like to see Luigi have not a penny spent by the taxpayers and go to execution. We would all, now that he's confessed, we would all like to see that.

• 1:52:06Speaker 00

  I've had a call with his entire legal team and they're, they're strong. She's, she's not a lightweight.

• 1:52:12Speaker 10

  Does this line up with what you guys?

• 1:52:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does. It does. She's a, she's a, you know, she's a, we had a, we had a Zoom call with all of them and they, they were, I mean, this, this is a, this is a W for them if they were to pull that up. Would you say that now?

• 1:52:27Speaker 10

  Mangione? Yes.

• 1:52:28Speaker 00

  For them as lawyers. Forget about, you know.

• 1:52:30Speaker 10

  They're playing a logical game here. Plead guilty, no double jeopardy in New York, no trial in New York, no public reading, and all of that is going to be read to Judge Garnett. Judge Garnett, we saved the taxpayers' money.

• 1:52:42Speaker 12

  Garnett?

• 1:52:43Speaker 10

  We, we've, we've saved the time. We've saved.

• 1:52:46Speaker 12

  I know we're moving on. Weird question. And I appreciate what Tom is saying about Mangione. And you're saying defense team. And is there any chance that Candace is working with Tyler Robinson's defense team?

• 1:53:00Speaker 00

  Uh, I have no idea. I do think, I do think she's spoken to, she even, she's, she's spoken to a lot of the family.

• 1:53:09Speaker 12

  That's what I'm saying. Are they working in conjunction on anything?

• 1:53:11Speaker 00

  Conjunction? No, but if they're in communication, possibly. Cause she, she actually calls.

• 1:53:16Speaker 12

  Cause she believes that Tyler's innocent. That's the 0% thing, right?

• 1:53:20Speaker 00

  That's the 0%. Yes, that's the 0%. Let me, let me continue. Let's go to the next story. Next one I want to get to is Lindsay Clancy. What, what a weird, dark story. Folks, if you're not into it, you're not going to like this. But if you're into these murdery, mystery, all this stuff, this is just the, one of the weirdest stories I've ever heard in my life. Literally, it's one of the weirdest stories I've heard in my life. Lindsay Clancy's phone was used to search, can you treat a sociopath? On January 20, 2023, days before she killed her three children, a state police investigator testified at a trial Thursday. Jurors heard from Massachusetts State Police Investigators Timothy and Sergeant Kyle Pavo

• 1:54:01Speaker 00

  on the forensic analysis of Clancy's phone and her ex-husband's Patrick Clancy's tablet. Clancy has pleaded not guilty to three murder charges and the death, death of five-year-old Cora, three-year-old Dawson, and infant Kalen at the family's home in Duxbury on January 24, 2023. Defense lawyers don't contest she was responsible. They argue she shouldn't be held criminally responsible because she was suffering from postpartum psychosis. Are you kidding me? I'm struggling so hard because I wanted to parent each of my kids like my first, and since I can't, that's depressing to me. Clancy wrote in October 2022 phone note per prosecutors. This is definitely the root cause of all our problems. She appeared

• 1:54:42Speaker 00

  frustrated with compromises around newborn Kalen. I hate that he has to put himself to sleep. I'm sad I'm not breastfeeding anymore. Prosecutors are using their searches and notes to argue the killing were premeditated. The defense says they show a mind unraveling, that a show, mind is unraveling. Vinnie, do you have a clip on this?

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm sending Connor right now. Connor, there's a clip of her in the courtroom. I think one of the medical examiners is, is, is talking about Cora's autopsy. Pat, this gets me emotional because these kids are so young. She was five years old and they're reading what, what was happening during this autopsy and she has to, they have to call the freaking, can you just play this clip? This is, that's the medical examiner.

• 1:55:25Speaker 18

  It could be a pattern or it could be more developed types of injuries such as bruising or abrasions. And what about, um?

• 1:55:33Speaker 12

  I can't do it.

• 1:55:36Speaker 10

  Who's crying exactly?

• 1:55:37Speaker 02

  The mom, the murderer.

• 1:55:38Speaker 10

  The murderer, yeah.

• 1:55:40Speaker 13

  Let me take a break from this stuff, alright?

• 1:55:42Speaker 08

  Alright, alright. Jurors, both your notebooks, place them on the chairs, please.

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  She deserves every single emotion she's feeling. Disgusting person.

• 1:57:43Speaker 02

  Okay, you, you can stop. Connor, thank you. So Adam, so think about it. She killed, Cora was five, Dawson was three, and Kalen, eight months old, okay? Okay. So now prosecutor is saying that she deliberately, these are prosecutors, not me, sent her husband out for takeout and medicine, giving herself a window. So she, she brought them all downstairs in the basement and used, you know, exercise bands, Pat, and strangled all of them. The defense is saying.

• 1:58:09Speaker 00

  With exercise bands?

• 1:58:10Speaker 02

  Exercise bands. And mind you, yeah, choke, squeezed them out and killed them one at a time. While the other ones are sitting in there watching their other siblings getting choked out, okay? And oh, I'm, I'm going to get into it. So you talked about the postpartum psychosis, severe mental illness and all that stuff. And then there's a GoFundMe for her parents that are, they're going to stand behind her daughter. It's raised $750,000. The goal is $2 million. And what makes it darker is the women on social media going, I know what she's feeling. There was a TikTok of a psychiatrist. You might be able to find that, Connor. I think it's a little bit long. How insane is that? They're publicly expressing sympathy, sympathy for a mother who strangled her own children. And when you send your husband

• 1:58:50Speaker 02

  away, that's premeditated. You're like, honey, get, go, go do something so I could do this. All right? And that's absolutely, we're already living in this culture, Adam, where abortion has made the killing of these children acceptable. And now you're watching people find ways to sympathize this, okay? That's dark. I don't care how you do it. But here's where we should never get lost in all this talk about postpartum depression and psychosis and all the medications and all that. She took her children in the basement and strangled them one at a time. Okay? They were trapped with the one person in this world they were supposed to freaking trust completely. Pat, imagine, imagine, guys, whoever, whoever's listening to this, wherever you are, with your kids are probably in the house if you're

• 1:59:32Speaker 02

  home. Imagine that fear, the confusion, okay? There's nowhere to turn to, there's nowhere to run, and mommy is choking and killing your other freaking brothers and sisters and you're sitting there watching it, okay? Whatever happened in those final moments, they're, they're dying in the hands of their freaking mother, okay? And that, dude, that's why it makes this victim story, that you're not the victim. The kids are the victim, okay? What she did was evil. You are, she was a freaking monster. I don't care. Call her a demon. I don't care. How uncomfortable it makes people. Okay, you killed all three of the kids and if she's found responsible, Pat, for deliberately murdering them, she deserves the harshest punishment. And that's it. I'm sorry.

• 2:00:13Speaker 00

  Well, apparently she's already admitted that she did it. I don't think that's the deal.

• 2:00:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they're playing the, you know, when you're, when you have children, postpartum, you go crazy.

• 2:00:22Speaker 00

  They're saying she was under, because she was dealing with bipolar disorder. They said, do not consent that Clancy was responsible for deaths of three of her children. They argue that she was not held criminal responsible for their deaths because she was suffering from, I saw that. But there's also another one that says, they say she experienced an auditory hallucination, a voice telling her to kill her children and herself. This is substantial evidence because experienced some psychiatric problems from before. She suffered severe insomnia, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts. Sawed help from numerous providers, contacted a suicide hotline, admitted herself to McLean Hospital on research, postpartum depression, psychosis, hallucinations, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder. Another major defense

• 2:01:02Speaker 00

  argued is medication fragmented psychiatric care. In roughly four months, she was prescribed 13 different psychiatric medications and more than 30 prescriptions, including antidepressants, anti-psychotics, and benzos. Her defense argues that the changing medication and inadequate coordination between providers contributed to her deterioration.

• 2:01:28Speaker 12

  They're gonna try to pin it on the, uh, medical establishment.

• 2:01:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, so you, all that, all that stuff, and she's not medically admitted into a hospital? Give me a, give me a freaking break, cuz at the end of the day, somebody has to pay for those three kids.

• 2:01:41Speaker 00

  What is this, what is this video here?

• 2:01:43Speaker 12

  She's paying the price already.

• 2:01:44Speaker 02

  This is, um, this is a, uh, uh...

• 2:01:47Speaker 00

  Therapist, this is the therapist.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  Basically saying, like, guys, we, if you've had kids, you understand.

• 2:01:54Speaker 00

  Press play.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 2:01:55Speaker 20

  Lancy trial is going to be one of the most significant trials of your lifetime. We are all experiencing something completely unprecedented. Never before have we seen so many mothers and women rally behind somebody who confessed to killing her three children. And it is not because we cannot hold women accountable. Many of us see ourselves in Lindsay. Many of us know that we could have been only one step away

• 2:02:33Speaker 12

  What?

• 2:02:33Speaker 20

  from doing some of those horrific things.

• 2:02:36Speaker 02

  What? What is she talking about?

• 2:02:37Speaker 20

  Because we experienced significant

• 2:02:40Speaker 12

  Mental.

• 2:02:41Speaker 20

  mental health issues.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  Killing your kids!

• 2:02:43Speaker 20

  after one of our children was born. And many of us know just how dark some of those thoughts get.

• 2:02:51Speaker 00

  I've never heard it. Do me a favor, go back.

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  Oh, what?

• 2:02:54Speaker 00

  Go back to her account, go all the way to the beginning, go all the way to the beginning. Look what it says on her profile, Strong Therapy Jess, liberal voice on politics, culture, society, anti-racist, anti-fascist, pro-JBTQ.

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  Do you understand what she just said? She basically just said, the women out there...

• 2:03:10Speaker 12

  Did you think she has kids, this lady?

• 2:03:11Speaker 02

  Yes, she does.

• 2:03:12Speaker 12

  No, this lady.

• 2:03:13Speaker 02

  I think she does.

• 2:03:13Speaker 12

  Therapist.

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  Because you know what she's saying, Adam? We've all thought of killing our kids when they've gone, because you know, you're depressed after you... Are you, what are you even talking about? How do you post something like that? Like, and so, so basically what? So they're trying to get this Lindsay, uh, freed of what, technical... Uh, she, you know, she was crazy, she was losing her mind. I'm sorry, three children are dead, and I, and again, I'm going back to, imagine, Adam, you're five. I remember when I was a kid, I remember five, I remember things that my mom would do to me when I was that age. You're watching her strangle and kill your brothers and sisters.

• 2:03:48Speaker 12

  Oh, God.

• 2:03:49Speaker 02

  And you're in those final moments, I am sorry, guys, I'm sorry. That, we always talk about accountability, she has to be held accountable. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

• 2:03:59Speaker 12

  Of course she does.

• 2:03:59Speaker 02

  Because my thing is this, if you send somebody out, Adam, if your, if your wife goes, hey, go get medication, go get takeout, you're planning it. It's not like in a moment where she just grabbed them and stabbed them, she brought them into the basement, she grabbed the exercise bands, and she strangled them to death. Well, okay? I'm sorry, bro, I'm sorry.

• 2:04:18Speaker 12

  Let me ask the guys with kids here, I mean, look, I'm not making light of this, my mother always says, like, you know, I brought you in this world, I'll take you out of it. I've never, I've never took that literally. But have you guys ever experienced anything with this postpartum depression? Tom, PBD, is this something that, that women have talked about in your life? So, are your frie, are your wives friends or anything?

• 2:04:38Speaker 00

  Tom?

• 2:04:39Speaker 10

  Yes, um, women talk about postpartum depression a lot. And apparently, not apparently, it is clinically shown to be a real thing. That sometimes after having a baby, there is an emotional response that's here. Now, that's part one. And then part two is, I do not believe, um, based on what I've heard, I've heard many counselors indicate that, you know, postpartum, uh, depression is made worse by someone who maybe is a drug user, or already had, you know, psychological things, or is, you know, a deep depression, or, you know, schizophrenia, you know, bipolar disorder.

• 2:05:23Speaker 10

  It is that it just makes that worse. So in other words, you know, you know, a person who, you know, already has diabetes that gets lupus, that's bad. You know what I'm saying? Cuz you're already sick. I'm using that, stacking effect. And so, uh, postpartum, uh, depression in counseling is to be treated very seriously. But the issue is, if somebody was already, you know, had issues ahead of time, Pat, it just makes it worse. And the people running to her are people, remember, the postpartum tribe is also trying to create a victim tribe. Taking nothing away from the disease itself, remember, they're, they become a special interest group of their own. And they have their own, you know, uh, what do we talk about?

• 2:06:08Speaker 10

  Their own concerns, their own motives, their own assumptions, their own fears, their own asks. And so they're out there. So it's very, very real, but when you stack it up and say, oh, we're coming to her to fence, they don't know her other side, they don't know if she was bipolar, they don't know if she was using psych meds, and then, and she was having complication effects from the combination of meds. They don't know if she was possibly schizophrenic. They're hearing postpartum, and they're running out to defend postpartum. That's what's going on.

• 2:06:38Speaker 12

  Good input.

• 2:06:39Speaker 00

  This is, this is dark.

• 2:06:41Speaker 10

  Very.

• 2:06:42Speaker 00

  I'm trying to see if this lady has kids. I can't find it, the, the lady, whatever her name is, something Jess. Jessica McNair is her name, and she's a licensed therapist associated with Falls Church Wellness Center.

• 2:06:55Speaker 12

  A church?

• 2:06:56Speaker 00

  And the creator behind Strong Therapy.

• 2:06:57Speaker 10

  Falls Church for Jess?

• 2:06:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't know what that is.

• 2:06:59Speaker 12

  City.

• 2:07:00Speaker 00

  But, uh, to have kids, this person's got kids, man, imagine those kids go to school, and the friends and the teachers are like, uh, you may wanna kinda run away from that lady right there. It's my mom, yeah, yeah, I'm telling you, you may wanna like, you know, protect yourself and see, you know, where you're at.

• 2:07:20Speaker 00

  Go to the Trump one, go to the Trump one that she has right there, yeah, what does she say? Sorry for the jump scare. This absurdity posted across official social media channels for Trump and the White House. Okay, so she's a big time Trump fan.

• 2:07:35Speaker 12

  No.

• 2:07:37Speaker 00

  Very, very weird that this is going on, and this is not the case with, uh, most mothers. This is the case with what Tom talked about, with the challenges, you know, if you have additional personality stuff to add on top of that. Some people shouldn't have kids. I advocate a lot of people to have a lot of kids, a lot of people to have a lot of kids. But some people just should not be having any kids, man. They should not be having any kids. Some people are still kids, dealing with their own trauma, before all of a sudden you shared that. I'm at a soccer game this week, and I'm, and I'm watching Dylan play this game. And on the opposing side, there was his father. And the way he was talking to his kid, I was just listening to him. The fuck, you're too, what, fuck, what?

• 2:08:21Speaker 00

  Move the, move, what the, when are you gonna get in the kid?

• 2:08:24Speaker 02

  Pussing like, in front of all the kids?

• 2:08:25Speaker 00

  Oh, in front of all, but he's screaming at his son. And I'm sitting right there, and he's like, 10 yards away to my left. His son is here about to throw the ball. And for about 20 seconds, he's waiting for the ref to make the call, cuz there's, what do you call it, people coming in and out, subs. And I'm just watching him, and he's just looking at his dad. And he says, let me play the game, let me play, well, play the fuck... And I'm just like, oh, man, it's just a little too much, right? When you're watching this. He's probably dealing with the trauma and what he's doing is, that's how he was raised, so he's talking to his kid the way his dad talked to him and passed down. And I'm just looking at the kid, the kid is burned out. And by the way, he was actually a pretty good player. Wasn't like he was not a good player, he was a pretty good player. But, uh, yeah, I don't know.

• 2:09:10Speaker 00

  This is a very, very difficult story to go through, but, uh,

• 2:09:16Speaker 00

  we'll wrap it up on this story, actually, you know what, let me wrap it up on a different story.

• 2:09:19Speaker 12

  Yeah, let's not leave on this note, if you don't mind, Pat.

• 2:09:22Speaker 00

  Give me a story to go through, give me another story to go through.

• 2:09:24Speaker 12

  Something uplifting, optimistic.

• 2:09:25Speaker 00

  Well, let me, let me go to a different story, I'll tell you, I, I watched Dudley give a sermon this weekend. And we shared something that I thought was appropriate to share with everybody else, it was about marriage, husband and wife. So we sit there, we're watching the, the, the, the, three of our kids are not feeling well, one of them was throwing up all night, you know, we, three of them didn't even go to school today, you know how it is, parents, when kids go back to school, you know how that works, you know, the only one that went to school today is one of them, and I'll tell you guys afterwards who it is. He breaks down marriage. Says there's five different types of marriage out there, okay? He says the first one is the beautiful marriage, he says, very rare, not a lot of them, beautiful marriage, very rare. Number two is the blah marriage.

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  We're just married, you know, it's just like, ah, whatever, we're just married, we did it, we're staying, and we're gonna make it work, whatever, but it's blah. The third one is the brittle marriage, roulette, let's see if it's gonna work or not, or you're gambling. Fourth one is the bitter marriage, and the fifth one is the broken marriage, it's too late, they're getting a divorce. And then he gave some numbers, which was kinda wild. He says, you know what divorce happens every, how many seconds in America?

• 2:10:29Speaker 02

  Five?

• 2:10:29Speaker 00

  Every 30 seconds.

• 2:10:30Speaker 12

  Okay.

• 2:10:31Speaker 00

  Which I thought it'd be, it'd be like closer to five. But he said divorce happens every 30 seconds, which means during this podcast,

• 2:10:40Speaker 00

  you take, you take, let's just kinda tell you how many divorces have happened during this podcast.

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  Let's just say two hours.

• 2:10:45Speaker 00

  So, let's just say two hours. If a divorce happens every 30 seconds, and we did a podcast for two hours, how many divorces have happened during this podcast so far, so far? So...

• 2:10:55Speaker 12

  So that's two a minute.

• 2:10:57Speaker 00

  That's two a minute, 60, 120, 122, 240? Is that what the number is, 240, okay?

• 2:11:02Speaker 12

  Yeah.

• 2:11:03Speaker 00

  So 240 divorces have happened.

• 2:11:05Speaker 12

  Guys, stay together during the podcast.

• 2:11:06Speaker 00

  So far, during this podcast. And he says, the average marriage in America, how long you think it lasts?

• 2:11:12Speaker 12

  Seven years.

• 2:11:12Speaker 00

  The average marriage. How much you think it is, Tom? The average marriage?

• 2:11:15Speaker 10

  No, no, I think it's, um, I know this. I'm gonna mess this up, but I think it's three and a half years.

• 2:11:21Speaker 00

  Thirteen years, he says the average marriage.

• 2:11:22Speaker 10

  Average?

• 2:11:23Speaker 00

  Him saying this, Tom, you're at how many years?

• 2:11:26Speaker 10

  Oh, average.

• 2:11:27Speaker 00

  Average marriage is thirteen years.

• 2:11:28Speaker 10

  I was telling you, average time to divorce.

• 2:11:30Speaker 00

  Well, he says the average marriage.

• 2:11:31Speaker 10

  Happen quick.

• 2:11:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, the average marriage happens thirteen, uh, uh, thirteen years. The average age of somebody who gets a divorce is forty-one years old. So if you're forty-one years old, try to go to forty-two, you may, you may kinda make your work, right? And he says the reasons for marriage not working out, number one is financial issues. Vinnie, what's going on? Number one is financial issues, number two is communication. Number three is intimacy, number four is broken trust. Number five is failed expectations, okay? And then as he goes through it and he's kinda breaking it down, you know, marriage wasn't meant to fix your problems, right? You're not getting married because your wife or your husband's gonna fix your problems. Lack of knowledge, poor choices, you stop going to church. Couples who stop going to church, divorce increases.

• 2:12:16Speaker 00

  I had a couple of ours that had a meeting with one of their spouses, they're, they're going through challenging times. But one of the conversations was when they sat down with me, I said, you guys still go to church like you used to a lot? No. Well, I said, you know, you haven't gone to church for three years? No. You haven't found a home church? No. Kinda gotta find a home church, if you, if you did it and you get away from it, it helps you out. Indifference, selfishness, he says, what wives wish husbands knew. James Dobson wrote a book.

• 2:12:44Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 2:12:44Speaker 00

  Many years ago that sold ten million copies. The title of the book is What Wives Wish Husbands Knew. He says, do you know how many of those customers that bought those books were men? He says, nobody. Men don't buy books like that. He says, wives buy it, give it to their husbands and the husbands never read it. Apparently this book sold ten million copies, okay? And then what, we are different creatures, biologically, behavior, emotional, biologically, behaviorally, emotions and commissions. And he says, just to kinda break it down for you. He says, do you know how many products the average man has in their bathroom? Says six. He says, you know how many products the average woman has in the bathroom?

• 2:13:23Speaker 10

  Six hundred.

• 2:13:24Speaker 00

  Three hundred and thirty-seven.

• 2:13:25Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 2:13:26Speaker 02

  Are you serious?

• 2:13:27Speaker 10

  So let's see.

• 2:13:28Speaker 02

  Is that real?

• 2:13:28Speaker 10

  I mean, let's come in.

• 2:13:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:13:29Speaker 10

  Toothpaste, dental floss, deodorant, hair gel.

• 2:13:33Speaker 02

  Caving green.

• 2:13:34Speaker 10

  Tom, we get it. There's five.

• 2:13:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  Bells, missiles.

• 2:13:37Speaker 10

  It's it.

• 2:13:38Speaker 00

  Tom, you, a lot of people don't know this, is Tom, when he lived in Dallas, part of a church. Tom was leading a ministry of a lot of husband and wives that were about to go through a divorce. And you saved a lot of marriages. This isn't public, this is private. I know this, cuz you and I have talked about it when you were contributing to that church. And, you know, when, when you saw marriages that were getting close, marriage is not easy. It's a very difficult thing, we know this ourselves. What patterns did you notice? And what, what, the people that were able to turn it, turn it around, what did they do, Tom? What did you notice? You did this for quite a few years.

• 2:14:15Speaker 10

  People are able to turn around, um, did two things. Number one, they actually listened to a third party. And second, they actually stopped to apply it to themselves. And there's a simple, um, there's a simple example we give people. We say, if you're willing to listen and you're willing to draw a circle and put yourself in the middle of it and only fix what's in the circle, this has got a chance. Do you want to have a chance? And if they both say yes, it says, okay, let's start with listening and let's put ourselves in the circle and do it. And so it was that simple, Pat.

• 2:14:55Speaker 10

  Willingness to listen, to allow a third party to not give you your solutions, but to give you a framework. And then willingness to go look at that. And we had these chapters that would take people through on spiritual self-reflection, you know, family of origin, things. And just remember this statement, Pat. It may not be your fault, but it is your, your reality and how you react is your fault. There are things in life that may not be your fault, but it is your reality and how you react is your fault.

• 2:15:32Speaker 00

  So, so, okay, so that's that. What other feedback would you give, Tom? What other feedback would you give?

• 2:15:37Speaker 10

  That this here indifference and selfishness is huge. Forget about affairs, forget about fights, forget about all that stuff. Believe it or not, you know, recovering alcoholic or recovering drug addiction, once somebody says, man, I've got an issue and I'm out of here, there is a greater chance for strength on that, because everybody's got like the same objective.

• 2:16:00Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:16:01Speaker 10

  But indifference and selfishness, when people get to the, what we call the edge of the waterfall, well, that's it. I don't care and I'm just, I'm gonna worry about me and I'm gonna take care of myself here. That's indifference and selfishness. And once you get to that part, now, now distance, distance becomes so far. And that's when America, American courts invented the phrase irreconcilable differences. And I disagree with that statement so much, because I believe with Christ, anything on earth is reconcilable.

• 2:16:36Speaker 02

  So, Tom, so happy you brought that up. So how much does faith, cuz I mean, being a Christian, like, I'm not, I wouldn't be with anybody that wasn't a Christian. How much of that, meaning solidifying the fact that, like, hey, listen, we're gonna have ups, we're gonna have downs, but this all comes back. Cuz, Tom, biblically about divorce, it's not, it's not like looked at as a positive thing. But if you stay in the faith and you stay positive, like, how much of a, of a, of a factor is that?

• 2:17:03Speaker 10

  Faith is huge, because it puts a simple rulebook under it. If everybody used a different rulebook on the highways, it'd be chaos.

• 2:17:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17:11Speaker 10

  But everybody, even the ones that don't obey everything, the highways basically work, because there's a set of rules out there and people follow them.

• 2:17:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17:19Speaker 10

  You know, only drive on the right side of the road, all these kinda things. And so faith helps people have a place to turn for their own healing and have a place to turn for patience and strength while they're awaiting healing.

• 2:17:32Speaker 02

  Got you.

• 2:17:32Speaker 10

  And that foundation is critical.

• 2:17:34Speaker 00

  I will tell you, you know, one of the guys I was talking to, who's going through marital issues, I asked him a question. I said, so who do you spend time with? I don't have a lot of people that I spend time with, it's just the people I do business with. I said, no, no, who do you spend time, which, which other successful marriage couples do you guys go to dinner with on a weekly basis? That's not currently involved in your business, nobody. I said, well, that's a problem. You know, you, you gotta find a way to be around other people who have successful marriages, who are similar values, for that to be a positive peer pressure in your life. You guys gotta spend time together, you guys gotta do things that you look forward to, you have to have certain traditions and rituals that you create just for the two of you guys.

• 2:18:17Speaker 00

  But I'm at seventeen years, this is not easy. You know, we got four kids, moving parts, business, life, travel, all this stuff, health, trying to figure it out. But if, if there's, if there's one thing that you can do that increases the chances, then go to church together.

• 2:18:32Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 2:18:33Speaker 00

  Go to church together, go to church together. All right, sounds good. So we're ending on a good note. We're ending on a good note here.

• 2:18:38Speaker 10

  I, I read a couple of books that, one that you, uh, recommended, Hundred and One Questions to Ask Before You Get Engaged. But the, the biggest difference in my life that I read, this is when I was going through my first divorce. The, the, they, they recommended reading Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus. And I read the first chapter and I'm like, I get, I get it now, we're from completely different.

• 2:19:02Speaker 02

  That was all you needed, was read the title?

• 2:19:03Speaker 10

  So just act accordingly, and that's what I learned.

• 2:19:06Speaker 00

  There you go. Okay, all right, gang, we will do this again on Friday. I think we have an interview that's gonna go out this week, stay tuned. And, uh, but lots of other big interviews coming here soon, stay tuned. Like, literally, we may even drop something today. We may drop two in the next two days, just stay tuned on what we got going on. Take care, everybody, God bless, bye-bye, bye-bye.

• 2:19:26Speaker 04

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