Clintons Subpoenaed In Epstein Probe, Russiagate SHOCKER & Tucker vs Nick Fuentes | PBD Podcast 625

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick break down the House subpoenas issued to Bill and Hillary Clinton in the Epstein investigation, a stunning new development in the Russiagate hoax, and the fallout from Nick Fuentes' feud with Tucker Carlson. ------ ☀️ VT FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT SUMMER COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4lcDlwU 🎫 THE VAULT 2025 | SEPT 8TH - 11TH | THE GAYLORD PALMS | ORLANDO, FL: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/40lR90L⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/40lR90L 📕PRE-ORDER SCOTT'S BOOK "A REVOLUTION OF COMMON SENSE": ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3UzdC73⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3UzdC73 🎫 THE VAULT 2025 | SEPT 8TH - 11TH | THE GAYLORD PALMS | ORLANDO, FL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/40lR90L ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/40lR90L 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 1:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, a lot is going on. You need to know, Vinny just got here. We're in Vegas. He went to, was it Dre's? Where were you? Were you at Dre's? Yes. Dragging Adam out of the club. Adam still hasn't slept. He's hammered. He smells like tequila. Disgusting. And vodka and a few other smells. We don't want to get into it. But I got coffee. I got coffee, I'm OK. But he got his coffee. He got everybody here working for him. Getting him coffee, tea, napkins, back rub. Diva, total diva. The biggest diva that you got. But anyways, it's good to be with you guys. And I drew the short straw. Out of Vegas, a lot is going on. A lot is going on. A lot is going on that we will be talking about. Just a few minutes ago, I think they just subpoenaed a bunch of people from Epstein. Weird. Clintons, Comey, a bunch of people that we'll talk about here momentarily.

• 2:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Barry Weiss asked for a quarter of a billion dollars for her media company. And Sager from their show comes out, calls it out. And I got some thoughts on it. And I know Tom does as well on what's going on there. What is really going on? The claims made, is this really another leg for Israel for them to pick up? Who knows? We got some commentary. There's some stuff going on with Tucker as well. With Laura Loomer, Tucker and Candace did a podcast. And then Nick had to say, had said something about, I think the CIA stuff that came out with some of the pictures. We'll get into that as well. Aside from that, Trump moves nuclear submarines. After ex Russia president's menacing tweet. So can you imagine? You make a comment? What did you say?

• 3:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Get close right there. Be ready if they say something like that again. Trump moved very swiftly. Obama FBI ignored early indications of Clinton's cooking up 2016 Russia collusion hoax. US birth rate, folks, hit an all time low. CDC data shows. Matter of fact, it hit so low. That if all of you guys agree to get off the podcast running and not watch just to make babies, I would be okay with it. That's how bad the numbers hit right now. We're deeply concerned about it. Hopefully by the end of the podcast, you'll be encouraged to go make some babies. We got to get that number to be above 2.1. We had four of them. Every day I try to convince my wife to go for 20 kids. As good as I'm in sales, I'm failing on a daily basis, but we'll see what happens.

• 3:46Tom Ellsworth?

  And Adam is committing to help any of you who are.

• 3:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, far from it. But Chris Cuomo says something. He says, I've been wrong a lot. What's he talking about? Is he talking about the wages he made on the Red Sox? Yankees? Chris, are you talking sports? Are you talking, you know, COVID, ivermectin, Rogan? Chris, what are you talking about? You got wrong, Chris. Anyways, Chris, you know, we're gonna go after Chris hardcore. Oh, he knows. He knows. America unhinged real estate market is driving down the birth rate. Oh my God. So people are not buying homes to have a place to have sex. That's what I'm saying. Shouldn't you be able to rent a place like a hotel to say? I mean, we're in Vegas. I mean, look, nowadays they make SUVs are big enough to make a baby. I mean, most, most cars. Cadillac? Cadillac.

• 4:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, maybe we need some how to

• 4:35Tom Ellsworth?

  That's what Airbnb, the Airbnb logo is selling.

• 4:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so Trump flies US labor, fires US labor official over data and gets earlier than expected chance to reshape Fed. Don't know what that means, but we'll definitely talk about it today. Trump to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize after ending deadly war. Jamie Dimon and Trump appear to mend fences after previous public disagreements. Report, India. Ready for this one? India is now the second country to buy oil from Russia, uh, from Russia, the other country being China. And Trump's not happy about it. It's like, wait a minute, you want to do a deal with us, a tariff deal, but you want to buy oil from them? What is this all about? We'll talk about that. Nelk Boys, they had Netanyahu

• 5:20Patrick Bet-David?

  on, after Netanyahu, they had Bassem Youssef on, they're apologizing, we made a big mistake, we should have never done this. Nelk, Kyle, fellas, I just have some thoughts, very basic, shouldn't be long. Just a few words to share for a couple of guys that I believe in a lot, and I, I, I'm a big fan of those guys. New Hampshire, first New England state to ban sex change surgeries on minors. This next story is very weird. You got to see the look of this mom's face. And we should probably go into this story a little bit. I, I know it wasn't nobody stories, I put my name next to it, but we'll get into it to this as well. Texas mom armed her 13-year-old son, helped him plot attack on school. Are

• 6:01Patrick Bet-David?

  you kidding me? Did you guys hear that? The mom armed the son, the 13-year-old son, to go plot an attack on school. Bill Burr slams Ben Shapiro racist who sends offensive photos to him and his wife. Mohammed, for some of you guys that were wondering if your name was going to make it or not, you lost once again. Mohammed Tops UK Baby Names. As Yaya surges into top 100, but Mohammed is at the top. I know a lot of guys were texting saying, "Was that gonna make the list?" You lost to Mohammed once again. Sorry. Congratulations to all the Mohammeds in UK. Great name. All right. Jaguar CEO steps down after woke rebrand sparks massive social media firestorm and Porsche CEO seeks

• 6:45Patrick Bet-David?

  fresh cost cuts. Warning business model no longer works in post-Trump new China world. Listen, Porsche better keep making their Turbo S911 because we're gonna have a problem if they stop doing that. Vinny, we gotta, I know you have, Vinny's got like 17 pages of report on that one we'll get into. Huge. Read AT&T CEO's frank response to employees feedback about a five-day RTO mandate. And then BNPL is the worst thing for consumers since payday loans. You ready for this, folks? Watch this one here. A generation is turning to buy now, pay later for Botox and concert tickets. Tom made a very good point earlier, says, "Do you realize by the time you buy the Botox to buy now,

• 7:28Patrick Bet-David?

  pay later, by the time the Botox is worn off, you're still paying for the Botox?" So you gotta go through it again. What a terrible idea, people going into debt for Botox using buy now, pay later. Las Vegas tourism's dropped, some numbers, but maybe get into birthday, we already talked about. Home sales 13-year low. You ready for this one? Parents ask, "Patrick, what job should my son have? What should I encourage my kids to get into?" Well, let me tell you what one kid turned down a job offer from Meta. Meta offered this guy a billion-dollar job offer. He says not interested. Jeez. AI engineers. Another guy got a $250 million offer to lure a 24-year-old AI whiz kid.

• 8:13Patrick Bet-David?

  We have reached the climax of revenge of the nerds. At 24 years old, the kid's getting $250 million, quarter of a billion dollar job offer from Meta. Wait for that one. We'll talk about it. This next one is dedicated to my oldest son who's 13 years old. Kids who get smartphones before 13 years old face skyrocketing risks. Study warrants. I like the fact that my kids don't have phones and they're 13. Parents, we will talk about this because we're at dinner last night having sushi. The table right next to us, what did you see, Vinnie? Three, four iPads, kids sitting there.

• 8:45Speaker 07

  One kid had a freaking, like, he had an antenna, headphones, and the parents are just getting drunk.

• 8:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Completely checked out. The kid might as well have been on Mars. And this is the one story that Adam really wanted to talk about. Don't know why. Sex toy infiltrates second WNBA game.

• 9:01Speaker 07

  Nice.

• 9:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Beaver star Sophie Cunningham weighs in. Weighs in. What is, like?

• 9:09Speaker 07

  At least, hey, now that, now that that's happening, I kinda wanna watch. That could be a way to make me watch the WNBA.

• 9:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Apparently, green is the color of the day. Yeah, and then we got a few other stories here. And then who was the one bodybuilder guy that dressed as Paul?

• 9:21Speaker 07

  Joey Swallows now is apologizing for apologizing. And he's not, and he's done apologizing. A lot of apologies.

• 9:27Patrick Bet-David?

  We got so many things to talk about, but I want to tell you about two things. I'm gonna give you first shout out and then the second one as well. First one, summer is here. Future looks bright here. We have the matching shirts with the hats, gang. So, Rob, if you can go to it where people can see it, no, you just had, if you go back one where it shows the homepage, right there. So, the matching, if you can shop the collection, the hats, the shirts, the colors matching with each other. This is the shirt that Vinnie wears, the black Future looks bright shirt right there with the silver one. Every time I see it, because that's elevated, right, up the shirt?

• 10:03Speaker 07

  It's raised up the shirt.

• 10:04Patrick Bet-David?

  It's sick. So, if you go up a little bit, I don't know if that one's an elevator or not. Go a little bit higher, Rob, with the hats. The other way, Rob, if you go, oh, those are the ones that are elevated. These are so sick. Look at that. Matching. So, summertime, go sports your future. Yesterday, we're walking on Vegas. Guys got Valuetainment shirt on, Valuetainment hats on. It's awesome. Now, we're seeing it all over the place. And I'm getting a bunch of pictures being sent my way. So, go to VTMerch.com, place your order. And number two, we are officially. We were at Gaylord last week Orlando at the conference where the Vault Conference will be held and at the hotel where the Vault Conference will be held. We are officially thirty-five days away from nearly 12,000 people coming together at the Vault Conference at the Gaylord. The hotel

• 10:46Patrick Bet-David?

  looks amazing. The number of networking opportunities absolutely insane. Whether you're in AI, real estate, private equity, you're trying to raise money, you're trying to deploy money to some people. Great place to come. If you haven't yet bought your tickets, the top two-tiered tickets are about to sell out. Of course, you can get your general tickets, but the best tickets are typically the executive and the CEO and founder for you to sit closely and network with others. There's gonna be a lot of big announcements that we'll be making. Tony Robbins will be there. Martha Stewart will be there. David Falk will be there and a couple other surprises that will only be revealing while you're there. If you haven't yet registered, go to thevaultconference.com. Once again, to

• 11:24Patrick Bet-David?

  thevaultconference.com. I believe the prices are increasing this Friday, so get your tickets before the prices increase by the end of this week and get your hotels as well at the Gaylord because everybody will be there. All right, having said that, let's get right into it. So, Rob, the story I'm going to start off with is the subpoena story that was just dropped. If you don't mind pulling that up, I don't even know if we have that story because it just happened right now. House panel subpoenas. Clintons and other ex-officials in Epstein probe seeks files from the DOJ. This happened, just look what time it is right now. 11:01 this morning. If we can read this article, the House Subcommittee

• 12:05Patrick Bet-David?

  issued subpoenas Tuesday to slew a former Attorney General and FBI Director's Clintons for their testimony case involving sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The subpoena seeking depositions from former Justice Department officials were issued after Republicans and Democrats on a House override Subcommittee approved measures to authorize the demands last month as part of an effort for Congress to obtain more information about Epstein. The investigators also issued a subpoena to Attorney General Pam Bondi for documents related to Justice Department investigation into Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as associate who is serving a 20-year prison. And by the way, I think story just also came out where Ghislaine Maxwell has officially moved into a nicer place

• 12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  where she's at. No, literally, she just moved into a new prison amid fight over answers and immunity. And when I'm looking at the story of what names were on the list today, Rob, I don't know if you see a list of all the names today. If you can find it, I had one of the lists that I saw here that David Harris posted. If you have a list of the names, I want to share this because I'm coming, Tom, I'm coming to you here to see what this could look like.

• 13:09Speaker 07

  You know who's in that prison? Elizabeth Holmes is in that new prison that they moved her to in Texas.

• 13:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow.

• 13:14Speaker 07

  They can talk about, you know.

• 13:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the names. William Barr, Alberto Gonzalez, Jeff Sessions, Eric Holder, Merrick Garland, James Comey, Robert Mueller, Loretta Lynch are some of the names of people that got subpoenaed this morning. Tom, what does this mean?

• 13:30Tom Ellsworth?

  What this means is everyone has won an all expenses paid trip to Washington to be questioned. And unless everybody just wants to stand there and say, I take the fifth, I take the fifth, I take the fifth, which makes everybody look bad. So you're all guilty. But that could be what comes out of it. So I think on the far end of one thing, everybody takes the fifth, everybody sits there like this, refusing to cooperate. Like when we saw Hillary, you've got probably, remember how Hillary looked exasperated when she was being quizzed about Benghazi?

• 14:00Patrick Bet-David?

  What difference does it make?

• 14:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, what difference does it make?

• 14:03Speaker 07

  I talked to Adam, how disgusting.

• 14:05Tom Ellsworth?

  And she sat there like this, remember, just like?

• 14:07Speaker 07

  Oh, horrible.

• 14:08Tom Ellsworth?

  And going, ah, you know, like, you're not going to get anything from me.

• 14:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So do you think everyone's going to plead the fifth?

• 14:13Tom Ellsworth?

  No, someone is going to break and someone is going to get left out to dry. That's usually what happens when you get large groups of it. It happened in Watergate, it's happened since then. There's too many people here. I looked on this list and I sat there and I looked and a name stuck out for me. Loretta Lynch. I'm like, everybody's got friends on here. Does she have enough friends? Or is she going to be the one that says something? Because when you look at this, Pat, you have to just look around. And Pat, you're really good at this. Like when you're trying to decipher a business negotiation through multiple parties and you're looking at, okay, here's the strong one, here's the talker, here's the lawyer, here's the aggressive one. And you're really playing chess. That's what's about to happen, Pat. They're going to go there and play chess.

• 14:57Tom Ellsworth?

  And somebody is going to be a man or a woman without a country. Because usually what happens if everybody goes through is that somebody says something or somebody leaks something, you know, and I looked at that list and I looked at-

• 15:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think they worry about? I want you to look at this list. By the way, this is the list. That Epstein victims identified do by August 19th, a demanding full, complete, unredacted Epstein files with victims identified redacted by August 19th. Clinton's deposition is scheduled on October 14th. Hillary Clinton's October 9th, Comey's 7th, Mueller's 2nd, Barr is the 18th of August, Alberto's 26th. Sessions, so this is gonna happen in the next few weeks.

• 15:38Tom Ellsworth?

  And look who's first.

• 15:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom.

• 15:40Speaker 07

  Slick Willie.

• 15:41Patrick Bet-David?

  No, William.

• 15:42Speaker 07

  Bill, Bill, Slick Willie.

• 15:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, no, William Barr is, is first, August 18th.

• 15:47Speaker 07

  Meaning Gates won, I didn't even look at the list, yeah.

• 15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Who on this list do Clintons worry about? Because you gotta know Clintons are gonna call everybody and there's gonna be a conference call today if it hasn't already happened.

• 15:57Speaker 07

  They're talking right now.

• 15:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Which of them do you think they fear? Do you think Loretta's the one they fear?

• 16:02Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I would look at Loretta and Eric Holder.

• 16:05Speaker 07

  Jeff.

• 16:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Because those are the ones that it seemed.

• 16:08Speaker 07

  Jeff Sessions.

• 16:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 16:10Speaker 07

  Jeff Sessions, he has a, he has a relationship with Trump and I, I think out of all those, Tommy, like no, you made a great point on, on the 5th and who's gonna talk and who's not gonna talk. I mean, if I was Bill Clinton, I wouldn't say one damn word, bro. That, that guy is the most entrenched with Jeffrey Epstein. Why, I would ask him every question from, besides the redacted stuff, why the hell was he visiting you at the White House 11 times? Why? Why were you flying on pedophile express, whatever air, whatever the hell it's called, 26 times? Why were you at the, those are questions. Why are you pictured with these younger, that relationship? Why when you walk into Epstein's house in Manhattan, Pat, there's a picture of you in a dress pointing at the people walking in?

• 16:53Patrick Bet-David?

  You would never have that dress in your apartment?

• 16:54Speaker 07

  I'm not a big purple, I want like, I wear red or something more flashy, but my point is being Jeff Sessions has a relationship, but at the end of the day, PBD, do you think anything's gonna come off this, even if they don't plead the fifth?

• 17:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know. I know you're saying that, and I know Vinny, that's something you say a lot, but, but hear me out.

• 17:10Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 17:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what I'm for? In business, there's a couple things, the longer you're in business, you realize one thing will never happen. You know what never happened in business?

• 17:19Speaker 07

  What?

• 17:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Perfection. You will never have perfection in business, ever.

• 17:23Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 17:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What you're looking for in a business, in marriage, in parenting? You know what you're looking for? What? Progress is what you're looking for. Okay. I think this is progress. And I think you got to applaud them for making progress for being subpoenaed. Where it goes from here, who knows? I, I like the fact that they're, they're doing this. The reality of it is Daily Mail comes out with a story. Yep. Couple of days ago, and they say all these people linked to Epstein scandal, who have died by suicide. Epstein died by suicide. Yep. Virginia Giuffre died by suicide. April the 25th, uh, Yep. At 41 years old, and she said this would never happen. And she was the one that at an Australia farm abused as a child, trafficked by Ron Eppinger. She met Jelena at 16, worked at Mar-a-Lago. She alleged Epstein and Maxwell groomed her for sexual, uh,

• 18:07Patrick Bet-David?

  servitude, including to Prince Andrew, settling him with him in 2023. She posted about hospital stays and a quad bike accident before death. Mark Middleton, Clinton's special assistant, admitted Epstein to the White House seven times, and flew on the Lolita Express, died by suicide, May 22, 22. 59 years old at Heffer Ranch, Paraville, Arkansas, which we were just there a few days ago. Shotgun on the chest? In Arkansas, not at a specific place. Shotgun on her chest. Couldn't find the gun. It's tough to do. Weird. Jean-Luc Brunel, Epstein's modeling agent, found hanged in his Paris prison cell on February 19, 2022, after rape charges. Joffre alleged he used her as a sex slave. And then Thomas Bowers, former Deutsche Bank executive, hanged himself in Malibu in November,

• 18:51Patrick Bet-David?

  2019, at 55, oversaw Epstein's accounts, 2013 to 2018, leading to Deutsche Bank's $150 million and $75 million settlement. The spokesperson said, "We acknowledge our error of onboarding Epstein in 2013. No direct evidence ties to Bowers, Bowers to Epstein accounts." So, listen, all I care about, that they're finally sitting there, asking these questions. And if the audience sees everybody plead the fifth. Guess what that does? That gets everybody saying, "What are you hiding? Why are you not answering? What are you uncomfortable answering with?" I'd love to see Bill and Hillary Clinton plead the 50 entire time. Yeah. Because everyone's gonna play that. Tom?

• 19:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, you asked me why I thought Loretta Lynch and then Eric Holder. I'll tell you why. Because Eric Holder is Obama's guy. He was his first AG. He was the first African American to be Attorney General of these United States. He was followed by Loretta Lynch, who was the first female African American to be AG. And they were not seen to be kind of tied in to the whole Epstein thing and the flights. They were Obama's people. And Obama and Hillary still are chilly. The most that Eric Holder did for Hillary that I saw was when he just came out and said, "I'm endorsing Hillary Clinton. I think she's the best person." I think he used the phrase, "Preserve the Obama legacy."

• 20:08Tom Ellsworth?

  So that's why I look at Lynch and Holder as the ones here that I believe that the Clintons probably would fear the most.

• 20:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Adam?

• 20:17Adam Sosnick?

  So the most important person by far is Ghislaine Maxwell when it comes to this Epstein thing. We're going down this list, Bill and Hillary. We're talking about Jeff Sessions, Bill Barr. We're talking about Eric Holder. All these names that have been in government and been sort of in the know of what's going on here. Ghislaine Maxwell knows everything. And she is in jail for 20 years, whatever her sentence is. And now there's a conversation about, "What does she know?" It's almost like there was a golf game and it's like, "No, we need to do a mulligan." What happened? The scorecard was ripped up. All these players mysteriously vanished.

• 20:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, out of this list, who's the most important?

• 20:56Adam Sosnick?

  Out of this list, it's Bill Clinton. But Bill Clinton will not say shit. Hillary Clinton will not say anything. He's the former President of the United States. When did he leave office? 25 years ago. You think retroactively Bill Clinton is gonna be held responsible for anything? Zero. The only person who's ever been attempted to be held responsible for anything is Donald Trump. Why? Because the entire system, the entire swamp was trying to get him. And even then, it didn't work. And by the inch of a bullet, he's still here alive. But nothing is gonna happen when these people go to court.

• 21:32Speaker 07

  And that's the point. I love, I get the business part. I get the business and the progress is happening. But is it really progress? Because in business, I learned this a lot from you, accountability. If you mess up, you have to pay the price. All those names that you listed, can we just acknowledge? These people, whatever you want to call the people that are in control? How lazy are they with this whole suicide thing? But you know what I thought about? Why change, why change gears? It works. Because we just keep seeing and we go suicide, suicide, suicide. And we brush it off. Because Pat, at the end of the day, you know why nothing's gonna happen? Because, and why I'm questioning why Trump and all them are pushing this right now? Can we step back? Is Jeffrey Epstein the most important thing that happened to Trump? Let's rewind. Are we not gonna do Russia?

• 22:16Speaker 07

  All these people, I mean, the Hillarys and the bar, it should be Russiagate first. It should be COVID. Where's, I know Fauci's got immunity, but bring everybody else in about COVID. That's important. There's a reason why this right now is taking president. And we, and I know why. Because Trump was mentioned, Elon made the post PBD. Now we are where we are right now. And all this confusion, because Elon started it.

• 22:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying now, you're saying now that you think Trump is tied to it?

• 22:44Speaker 07

  Trump, in my, in my opinion, Pat, with all the research, because remember, I'm such a diehard Trump fan. I had to change gears and go, okay, back up, think objectively. They're mentioning his name. Once Elon said it, and then all this, I'm gonna release it. No, I'm not. Stop talking about it. I don't need your support. I think he's listed in there. There's no list, but he's mentioned. Michael Wolff, like we talked about, PBD, says there's a whole different side of this guy that you don't know and he has all this footage. I'm just saying, is this the most important? To me, it is.

• 23:11Adam Sosnick?

  Let me tell you why you're not gonna get accountability, and I'll be quick. Because you actually have moral framework and you believe in things like justice and fairness and accountability. That's not how it works in government. Anytime that there's a big company that tries to get bailout, look at during COVID. The airlines, look at the big banks. Pat believes in capitalism, freedom to buy, freedom to sell, freedom to try, freedom to fail. The big banks will not fail. The airlines will not fail. Big government will not fail. No one will be held accountable. I agree. Because you don't allow them to fail. I agree. Once you put Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton or Trump in jail, then there's accountability. Until then, it's all just nonsense.

• 23:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, it's a good point that's being made by both of you. Here's what I will tell you. When they tried to take down the mob that owned all the politicians, the Italian mob, for decades, it'll never happen, it'll never happen, it'll never happen. J. Edgar Hoover protected all of them, said there's no such thing, it's not there. Then all of a sudden, a couple lawyers behind closed doors, one of them, I believe, was from Rutgers University, found a way, a Rico law, to go and take them out with a young attorney named Rudy Giuliani. And then all of a sudden, you saw 200 and something, you know, mobsters walking up with handcuffs. They're like, wait, what just happened here? No one ever thought that was going to take place.

• 24:33Patrick Bet-David?

  The only thing I'm saying right now is this is still a bit of a progress that we're looking at. Now, let's go to the next story. Obama FBI ignored early indications of Clinton cooking up 2016 Russia collusion hoax. Okay? So what does this mean? Rob, I think this is on page 19. If you've got a video clip, I think you do. I'm going to go to page 19 on this to read it, if you want to pull up the video. Uh, boom, boom, boom, come on, page 19. Give it to me.

• 25:00Adam Sosnick?

  Come on.

• 25:01Patrick Bet-David?

  All right. So US intelligence services obtained information during 2016 presidential campaign suggesting President Barack Obama planned to scuttle an FBI investigation through Hillary Clinton's private email server with Russian intelligence memes, memos indicating the Democratic Party planned to tie Donald Trump to the Russia mafia as declassified by Senator Chuck Grassley on Thursday. Uh, from the 2023 Durham Special Counsel Report Annex, the memos assessed the authentic As Authentic by FBI analysis stated, the Democratic Party, party's opposition is focused on discrediting Trump. Among other things, the Clinton staff with support from special services is preparing scandalous revelations of business relations between US and the Russian mafia, uh, Grassley.

• 25:46Patrick Bet-David?

  The political weaponization has caused critical damage to our institutions as and is one of our biggest political scandals and cover-up in American history. Emails from OSF Senior Vice President Leonardo Bernardo, part of the George Soros-funded Open Society Foundation. By the way, this is a Daily Caller story. In 2016, July 27, revealed Clinton's inner circle strategy with Bernardo writing, HRC, Hillary Rodham Clinton, approved campaign advisory Julie's idea about Trump and Russia hackers hampering US elections that should distract people from her own missing emails. Uh, Rob, do you know which video was you had? I do, I have Chuck Grassley. Go for it, go for it, let's hear it.

• 26:25Speaker 09

  It actually brings attention to the fact that there is either a Clinton, uh, conspiracy, uh, to make this happen, or, uh, a Russian disinformation, but either way, it was an attempt to stop Trump and, uh, and, and it also proves that the FBI had a hand in it. And now after these, uh, eight years, uh, three years of my trying to get the document, uh, we know that there was, uh, the, uh, Steele dossier paid for by the Democrats and the Clinton campaign.

• 27:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause this, Rob. Vinny, just show me, this man is 91 years old, still there doing what he's doing. He only looks 90. Tom, your thoughts?

• 27:12Tom Ellsworth?

  So, so let's take a look at it. In the history of elections...

• 27:18Tom Ellsworth?

  And that's, I'm gonna get to this story in 30 seconds. In the history of elections, what is so unusual about finding, you know, you know, cat trapped in tree, shot with bazooka, as a means to distract people from another issue? Distractions is the name of the political game, and your political operatives, your campaign management, everybody wants to throw something out there to distract from something else. And so, guess what? They were looking for a distraction. What I see in this, more than anything else, is an admission by the Clinton camp, what you're seeing there, Bernardo and others saying, you know, "The email server thing is real, man, and we're taking heat for this, we got problems with this, we gotta get off this email server." Hey, you know what?

• 28:00Tom Ellsworth?

  One of them, allegedly now, campaign advisor Julie, allegedly said, had an idea about Trump and Russian hackers hampering US elections. And so, if this allegation is correct, and we've, there's a lot of stuff written about it, but nobody's been to Congress, nobody's guilty yet, is, there you go. Oh my gosh, Russians are interfering with our election and trying to help Trump? Oh my gosh! So you're trying to distract from their own emails. You know what? And then with the Obama FBI, you know, how many of these dirty tricks does the FBI turn up in a given month? Probably a lot of them. And so, the Obama FBI says, "Man, I just don't want to be involved in this election crap." Is that what happened?

• 28:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Because to me, things are usually simpler in conspiracies. We found out with the Kennedy assassination that conspiracies usually are more direct and simple. I think this was simple. If the Obama FBI-

• 28:54Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the longest 30 seconds, guys, in the history of mankind.

• 28:57Tom Ellsworth?

  I wanted to say, what's your point? I would never say-

• 29:00Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no, sorry.

• 29:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, do you have any thoughts on yourself?

• 29:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I said I was getting to it in 30 seconds, I was gonna limit myself. But there you have it.

• 29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, Adam, go ahead.

• 29:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Wouldn't it be surprising?

• 29:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, go ahead.

• 29:09Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, to me, Trump is seeking vengeance on his enemies. And much like Kobe Bryant had his hit list or kill list, Trump has his list, and he is seeking revenge. It started with Hillary Clinton, offed her, he got round two versus Biden, Biden didn't show up, he took out Kamala, and now he's going for the big boss of the Democratic Party, and that's Barack Obama. Pat, you always reference the book, The Count of Monte Cristo, right? The Count of Monte Cristo is a story of what? Betrayal? Survival and patient revenge. Trump has been basically in the political limelight for a decade. And now justice is being served cold on his efforts to basically make Obama pay for what he

• 29:52Adam Sosnick?

  basically put together when he was leaving office. But he. So we're gonna see if justice is served cold or not.

• 29:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I think revenge is the wrong take. The Democrats.

• 30:00Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, now Tom wants to get to his point.

• 30:03Tom Ellsworth?

  All the way through, the Democrats have been saying, Trump has to be stopped. We have to protect democracy. I don't care who's bringing it up. If these allegations are correct, it was the Dems that were interfering with democracy.

• 30:15Speaker 07

  Guys, I would, I'd like to put in an order for a nothing burger because Barack Obama, like you said about Clinton, all them, Adam, is absolutely.

• 30:22Tom Ellsworth?

  With a satellite fries.

• 30:23Speaker 07

  Because he has immunity. We even, we heard last week, a president has immunity, so he could do whatever the hell he wants, he's gonna walk free, but it's.

• 30:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Are you talking about Obama?

• 30:32Speaker 07

  Obama, Obama, he's untouchable, they're all untouchable.

• 30:34Tom Ellsworth?

  So isn't that the same mindset that you would have in Clinton when it comes to everything?

• 30:38Speaker 07

  Well, I was going to my point, it's Adam, and I had this conversation with somebody yesterday, no joke, in the lobby, Pat, and he was wearing a value tainment shirt, we got into a five minute conversation. I feel that we're not gonna get zero, zero accountability here. The only person that's gonna give them accountability, Tom, and how many times you talk about this, is God. So as much as we wanna get upset in this moment, Pat, because the FBI, Obama, Obama's FBI was, was, and, and Bill, um, who, the last president, geez, how am I, uh?

• 31:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, Joe Biden?

• 31:06Speaker 07

  Joe Biden.

• 31:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Jesus, are you having freaking dementia?

• 31:09Speaker 07

  I just pulled the Joe Biden.

• 31:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Unbelievable.

• 31:12Speaker 07

  Their FBI, their Department of Justice was all weaponized and they were all biased against Trump. Okay, just go to, go to Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was, got in trouble for creating the dossier and she got an $8,000 fine. That right there lets you know, and the DNC got $100,000, I believe, they were involved with trying to freaking cheat him out of his presidency.

• 31:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what's this here you showing up? This is from Mike Benz. He's.

• 31:37Speaker 10

  This is the email from Leonard Bernardo, where they talk about trying to frame Russia jeopardizing or being able to hack the elections to distract from Hillary's email.

• 31:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me read this. Hi, HRC, who's Leonardo emailing this to? Do we know? HRC approved Julia's idea about Trump and Russian hackers hampering US elections. That should distract people from her own missing email, especially if the affairs go to the Olympic level. The point is that the Russian play a US domestic issue say something like a critical infrastructure threat. Oh my god.

• 32:13Speaker 10

  Wow.

• 32:13Patrick Bet-David?

  For the election to feel menace since both President of the United States and VP have acknowledged the fact that IC would speed up searching for evidence. What's IC? What is IC? IC would, uh... Do you guys know who that is or no?

• 32:33Speaker 10

  I, I don't. I can tell you who Leonard Bernardo is though. He's a Senior Vice President of the Open Societies Foundation. He sent that email to divert attention from Hillary Clinton.

• 32:44Patrick Bet-David?

  But who did it go to?

• 32:45Speaker 10

  Uh, he emailed Julian, uh, Julianne Smith, the foreign policy advisor to Hillary Clinton at the time that they

• 32:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up both of their Wikipedias? Leonardo Bernardo? So pull up Leonardo Bernardo to see who he is.

• 32:58Speaker 07

  Sounds like a fake name. Leonardo Bernardo, yeah. And just FYI, you guys, Open Society, guess who's founded by? George Soros. George Jorge Soros!

• 33:07Speaker 10

  He doesn't have a Wikipedia, but this is Leonard Bernardo.

• 33:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Go a little bit lower, Leonard. But then Senior Vice President of Open Society Foundations, Rosa Bernardo, who corresponds to the he works with Chair, Deputy Chair, and maintain on going to the foundation. Programatically, he stewards two major efforts, the Ideas Workshop that seek to promote Open Society United Network, billionaire effort to promote research and teaching across global network. Nothing said there. Nothing said there. A fellowship, Bernardo sits on the board of Central European University, Hungary, the American University of Central Asia, and European Humanities. He holds a BA from University of Michigan and a graduate degree in political science. Yeah, there's not a lot there on this guy. He is actually... You can't see him anywhere.

• 33:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Can you go back to the screenshot? Kaiser Soze.

• 33:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back to the Twitter, a, a letter that you had right there.

• 33:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I, I believe, um, we got a text from an alert viewer here. Um, I see, I think means intelligence community and GRU is the Russian spooks. So read it that way. They've acknowledged that the fact that the intelligence community would speed up searching for evidence that is regrettably still unavailable. However, there seems to be signs that the Russian spies penetrated, you know, using these things. They appear hardly skilled and competent bumbling idiots. In added sense of direct evidence, CrowdStrike, that is a company that makes, um, uh, you know, high level antivirus and anti-penetration and security software.

• 34:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 34:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Will supply the media with comments. So see, they've set the whole thing up that, hey, say a few things and then let, oh, yeah, let's get CrowdStrike to comment and let's see if it was GRU spooks and.

• 34:45Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the girl? Can we see who she is?

• 34:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, sir. Julianne Smith.

• 34:48Patrick Bet-David?

  American Policy, who served in US Permanent Representative to NATO, Biden Administration 21, previously National Security Advisor to VP Biden under Obama. Got a bachelor's from this, okay. NGO experience, 2000 to 2003, she worked with German Marshall Fund, then joined Central for Strategic, Fellow Accomplishment, 2000 Transforming NATO Premier. Huh. Children to 2002 NATO policy. Should this email?

• 35:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, now that email is public info to everybody. When was that email released, by the way?

• 35:24Speaker 10

  Thursday or Friday of last week.

• 35:26Tom Ellsworth?

  This is part of the D-class.

• 35:28Speaker 10

  Now, it, it, yes, uh, the Durham investigation, they had that, uh, they had that email since, I believe, 2023, but it just became declassified on Thursday of last week.

• 35:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you see, I had a guy on the podcast who's. Had that technology that at any point they can show the video of a face of somebody in Ukraine, Russia war where he gave the technology to him, guys who they would hold hostage Ukrainians, that that guy right there, home contact, him and I just spoke the other day. He invented a company called Clearview AI where you can post a person's picture in there. It's the Google of faces. It'll say everything about that individual, okay? Everything about that individual, he invented this. Where am I going with this? Where I'm going with this is the fact that we're at a point right now, Vinny. I'm convinced we're at a point right now that any of these guys that are doing what they're doing, the big government may be protected.

• 36:24Patrick Bet-David?

  The big insurance companies may be protected, the big banks may be protected. But the era you're going in right now, there's a 23, 24 year old kid that knows how to hack into different systems to identify things similar to how Snowden and others did. And they got on that intel and what happened with Snowden was doing what he was doing. What happened every time WikiLeaks was dropping something new? Remember one time even Cuomo from CNN said you shouldn't read it? I don't know if you remember that or not.

• 36:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, what was it?

• 36:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't remember that?

• 36:51Speaker 07

  No.

• 36:51Patrick Bet-David?

  All the emails, everything from Hillary, everything that was being dropped, so.

• 36:55Speaker 07

  Don't read it.

• 36:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, where I'm going with this is the fact that, and by the way, you know what's a perfect time for this? Rob, can you play the clip of Chris Cuomo? He posted this last week. It's gone viral all over the place. A bunch of people have shared it. This is Chris Cuomo, was on CNN, he was on CNN for many, many years. Rob, if you can't find it there, just go on X, it's everywhere. Where he's saying, I made mistakes, type in Cuomo mistakes and you'll see it everywhere that's gonna be there. Yeah, things he got wrong, that's that one right there. Watch this.

• 37:30Speaker 11

  Stuck in traffic.

• 37:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Still moving fast.

• 37:35Speaker 07

  He's moving, is that another lie?

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• 38:03Speaker 01

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• 38:08Speaker 02

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• 38:11Speaker 03

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• 38:14Speaker 12

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• 38:18Speaker 02

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• 38:21Speaker 12

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• 38:23Speaker 02

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• 38:25Speaker 12

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• 38:28Speaker 01

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• 38:31Speaker 04

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• 38:34Speaker 11

  Go back.

• 38:34Speaker 07

  He just lied again, Pat. He just lied live. He's going 40 miles an hour.

• 38:41Speaker 11

  Stuck in traffic.

• 38:44Speaker 11

  I'm remembering right now. Wow. You just woke up, it's fine. I'm wrong a lot. A lot? We don't like to say it, we don't like to admit it, we really don't like to correct it. But that is how you grow and you get to a better place. And it is such a precious commodity right now. I've been wrong. I've been wrong about political issues, I've been wrong about people, I've been wrong about myself, I've been wrong about my responsibilities, I've been wrong about my opinions, my tastes, my choices, I've been wrong.

• 39:17Speaker 11

  And that's okay. Hopefully you learn. Hopefully, when you're wrong, you get to a better place. If you do the work, unless you stubbornly hold on, and that's where so much of us are stuck. It's not just being wrong, it's refusing to learn what's right. I've been wrong. Have you been wrong? If you say no, you're wrong. Oh.

• 39:42Speaker 07

  Could I say one thing?

• 39:43Speaker 11

  Yes.

• 39:43Speaker 07

  That was, he's not stuck in traffic, number one. He's going 40 miles an hour, number one. But, but, and I, buddy, I love Chris to death. Very, very, I'm happy that he's finally saying something, but I want to be specific. Like, you can't just say, okay, I was wrong. I'm, Adam, what were we talking about yesterday? I'm wrong a lot, but you know I learned in life to say, hey, guys, before this even snowballs into something crazy, I'm sorry, I'm stupid, I messed up, right here, right now. Okay, Russia collusion, push that narrative. Did you actually say that you were wrong? Like, actually say it. Guys, I was duped. Or was it because I was working for a network because that's the narrative?

• 40:23Speaker 07

  Covid, quarantine, the basement thing, the, like, how many, I get it, that's a vague blanket apology. I think people want to hear, the majority of people, want to hear the specific. I was wrong, okay? I was wrong. They told me to say this. This was the narrative at CNN. I couldn't go away. We have sponsors. We have Pfizer. We have whoever is sponsoring us. I think being specific about it, like, can shut everybody up. You know, I was wrong about Covid. Guess what? I took the vaccine. I did this. I want to be more specific. I think, like you said about business, you're making progress. I think you could be a little bit more nail in the head. Because, by the way, I love you, Chris. You're going 45 miles an hour right there. Forty-five.

• 41:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, your thoughts on this?

• 41:05Adam Sosnick?

  So, I learned something when I was going through some traumatic incidents in my life, and that was the ego is not your amigo. The biggest problem that people have when they don't want to admit that they're wrong or they have issues is like, "Ah, not me, bro. I would never, no, it was her fault. Uh, my boss, no." The hardest thing to do is look in the mirror and be like, "You fucked up, dude. You messed up. You should have done better." And what happens is, it's a three-part process. Number one, there's immediate discomfort. You're like, "I don't really don't want to admit this. This isn't really what I want to do." Then you start to feel a little bit better. "All right, it's not so bad." And then, third, you start to establish credibility and say, "You know what? Here's what's happening." And you might go so far as, five years ago, I was the biggest Trump hater,

• 41:48Adam Sosnick?

  and now Roger Stone sees me and goes, "Hey, there's Mr. MAGA guy, the biggest Donald Trump fan I know." That's where you're at in the moral arc of the universe. So, take it from me, when you're wrong, admit you're wrong, lick your wounds, move on, and go drive in traffic like Chris.

• 42:06Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, there is a video clip. There's a video clip, Rob. I don't know if you have it. I have it somewhere in my notes. The reason why this is so important to a lot of people, and, you know, on the Russia collusion stuff, the amount of videos that was said about...

• 42:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Russia hacked the election. Do you know a highlight reel of a number of people that said this? I'm just gonna show you a simple one here, Rob. I'm gonna text it to you. And it was in our notes, but it's so convoluted that you you're probably gonna have a hard time finding. I just sent you the text. Look how many people from different media platforms said the same thing in what way? Not in a possibly allegedly could be happening, you should look into it, not verified. No. Look at the way these guys were answering this. Just zoom in. Okay? Watch this one here. Go ahead, Rob.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  Hacking the election to elect Trump is the end of our democracy. Votes were definitely affected. Russia hacked the election to tilt it to Mr. Trump. The Russians definitively

• 43:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Definitively.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  Hack the election.

• 43:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Not allegedly.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  Did hack the election.

• 43:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Did hack.

• 43:17Speaker 13

  No doubt. The Russians hacked the election.

• 43:19Patrick Bet-David?

  No doubt.

• 43:20Speaker 13

  Russia hacked the election. Fact, Russia hacked the election.

• 43:23Adam Sosnick?

  President elect Donald Trump still not sounding convinced that Russia hacked the election.

• 43:28Speaker 11

  The president does not want to come to terms with the fact that the Russians hacked the election.

• 43:32Speaker 10

  President Trump says he still wonders if, if the Russians hacked the election.

• 43:37Speaker 14

  If you can get him to accept that Russia hacked the election, see if you can get him to accept who won the civil war.

• 43:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You just got fired, buddy.

• 43:44Speaker 13

  Fired. It casts a shadow on his victory over Hillary Clinton.

• 43:47Speaker 12

  Russia hacked the election. Russia hacked the election.

• 43:50Speaker 13

  Russia hacked the election.

• 43:52Speaker 12

  Russia hacked the election.

• 43:53Speaker 13

  Let's be clear, Russia hacked the election. Definitively.

• 43:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Definitively.

• 43:57Speaker 13

  Russia hacked the election. And Russia is doing it again now. Election-related cyber hacking. Cyber hacking of US elections. Cyber hacking of the election.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  Russia was cyber hacking the election.

• 44:09Speaker 07

  Russia was cyber hacking the election.

• 44:12Speaker 04

  The CIA, the FBI, NSA. All of these intelligence organizations.

• 44:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause this right now. No, no, it's literally, we can go this for half an hour. The point is the following. This is leading me to the next story, which is, America's at a point right now where they're watching on podcasts and shows and future media companies. I cannot tell you how many people were approached by on different media companies, hey, we'd like to do this, we'd like to do that, we'd like to do this, right? Everybody is having conversations right now in the media space.

• 44:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, if you can go to the previous story, go back, no, you're right there. No, no, go back where you're right. Go back to one page, the stories. Go back one page, Rob. Yeah, so look at the top one that says, "Who thinks the Free Press is worth a quarter of a billion dollars?" So Barry Weiss, okay, goes out there, sitting down with David Ellison, okay, click on the story, Rob, if you could. CBS News. So who thinks the Free Press is worth a quarter of a billion dollars? Now Barry Weiss has done some great interviews, and I think she was part of Twitter Files, if I'm not mistaken. And then she did a bunch of different things, Speaker Johnson, interview a bunch of them. Rob, if you can go a little bit lower to read the story. So they're at a point that they're saying, "We think our company is worth a quarter of a billion dollars," right?

• 45:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And 1969, NBC canceled TV series Star Trek. Fifty-six years later, the franchise, 13 movies. Uh, how is this going to the Barry Weiss story? Go a little bit lower, Rob, to make sure, okay, there it is. "What shape of advisory role ultimately takes it still up for grabs, but a reported asking price is a $250 payday for her new site, the Free Press, which changed its name from Common Sense and which entirely bypassed a descriptive title like, 'No, old, rich, white guy, after further review, it turns out you were right all along.'" That's what she's asking for. She can ask for that, no problem, right? Uh, Sager, Rob, if you can go to the clip that they have,

• 46:08Patrick Bet-David?

  and these guys have done a great job, the two of them, politically, they disagree. I've been on their show before, when we talked about Bernie Sanders, six years ago, I think I was on there. One time we had a conversation about capitalism, and she's a, she was a Bernie supporter at the time. Here's what he has to say about the ask of a quarter of a billion dollars. Go for it.

• 46:27Speaker 15

  And my point.

• 46:27Speaker 16

  The reason Tim Dillon's sketch hits so hard is because he's right. The whole value comes from her willingness to put an intellectual sheen on absolute monstrosities.

• 46:38Speaker 15

  Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 16

  That's what it is.

• 46:39Speaker 15

  It's in writing, that Dylan Byers, who's, again, I know this may seem tedious, but this is important for all you guys to understand, that there are people like us, you know, they're all, listen, Tim Poole's not out there asking for a quarter billion dollars, all right? And he gets 15 times the number of views. He has more views than we do. Any of these other folks, none of these folks are out there. You can think whatever you want about them, but you know, they're running their own businesses and they're not out there trying to be bought for billions and billions or whatever. And the point, though, in the Barry Weiss case is that it's entirely an intellectual sheen on pro-Israel and pro-Zionism. If you read about it, David Ellison and others are genuinely only want to buy the Free Press to support Israel. That's it.

• 47:23Speaker 15

  They want to support and put, uh, what's her name, Barry, on the CBS like news board as an ombudsman.

• 47:31Speaker 16

  Yeah, so she's gonna fill the role as the TikTok IDF lady.

• 47:36Speaker 15

  As the censor.

• 47:36Speaker 16

  Same thing, but for CBS.

• 47:38Speaker 15

  Do you know why this is crazy?

• 47:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you can pause it right there. I have my thoughts on this, but Tom, I'm gonna go to you first. So Barry Weiss, quarter of a billion. That's her ask. That's what she thinks the company's worth. He's saying this could be another leg to help out pro-Zionist, pro-Israel. What are your thoughts about this breakdown of what he had to say?

• 47:56Tom Ellsworth?

  First of all, I'm reacting the same as Sagras. I'm kinda stunned. I'm like, are you kidding me? So, but we saw Skydance, uh, jump around, billion-dollar increments, jumping around on the acquisition of Paramount. And, you know, Russia interfered with the election. Now we have a, a, a new one that is Trump paid a bribe, or Trump was paid a bribe in the form of the CBS settlement so that the Stephen Colbert? The merger would go through. Yeah. And that, and that he fired Stephen Colbert if he didn't like him. No, Stephen Colbert got fired because CBS and Paramount finally came to their senses and said,

• 48:36Tom Ellsworth?

  "It doesn't work. Nobody's watching, and this is freaking expensive, and the contract's up, and we're merging, and we're looking for profits." You know what? That one's gone. He's gotta go. But guess what? In denial, they do that. Now you circle all that around. Why am I bringing that up? It's because the value that was being paid there, a quarter of a billion dollars is not much more. And if they're really looking to place her, like buy the whole thing and then place her into CBS News, they're trying to reach in to To the bloggers which have become podcasters, which have become very influential. And they're trying to put one of those in CBS to bolster it.

• 49:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Remember, what they're trying to do is avoid the ongoing decline of CBS News. And so what do they do? Hey, what if we buy one of these companies, PBD? What if we plug it into CBS News? Will everybody come watch? Because now we have one of the popular conservative people here. And I see what's going on there. And that the other side, I think Sager's on to something. Does somebody also say, well, and this also could be an opportunity to put a pro-Israel voice on CBS News, which has been leaning in favor of Palestinian protest and supporting Palestinian protest and not talking about the risk to students? And now the entire Ivy League, except Dartmouth, is under investigation by the Trump administration

• 50:00Tom Ellsworth?

  for those kind of anti-Semitic, not anti-Semitic by the administration, but allowing anti-Semitic things to be happening on campus and not stepping in to protect students and protect Jewish people and protect Jewish speakers, professors there. So that's what I see. Does CBS News plug in this in? They get a little Israel out of it, they get a little podcast out of it. Does David Ellison ultimately pay $250 million for it? And Sager's right. This podcast and others, running businesses. And we think we do the best job.

• 50:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so that was your point?

• 50:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you're done. Okay, got it. Okay, so, you know, on a story like this, I looked at HuffPo when Arianna Huffington sold HuffPo, what she sold it for. She sold it to AOL years ago. Their top line revenue was around $60 million. They sold over five times revenue. They sold for $315 million. They sold 10 times earnings, okay? But five times revenue. So you're doing 60 million a year. AOL came in and said, I'll pay $315 million. They picked up HuffPo. The company's dropped. They don't have the same amount of revenue. They're about to lay off a bunch of different editors right now. They announced in January 2025, it would cut about 30 editorial roles, representing 22% of newsroom, which means 22% means one-fifth.

• 51:22Patrick Bet-David?

  That means they have 150 people, a fifth is being fired, say. You know, uh, uh, 30 is gonna be fired, they're letting go. So Huffpo is not getting the same amount of viewership they used to get back in the days in 2000. Back in 2008, 9, 10, Huffpo was like the place to be. It was, it was, it was doing great. I think I sat down with her right after she sold the business. We had a great conversation together.

• 51:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And I even think she ran for governor one time going up against, uh, uh, Arnold. I even think she debated Arnold one time for a governor race. If I'm not mistaken, can you verify that? I may be fully wrong and I'm thinking about somebody else, but did she ever, no, I don't know if she ran. Did she ever? No, did she run for? No, that was somebody else I think that ran. But let me see here. Did she debate some conversations? Who was the person that he debated that was a media space? I don't know if it was her, it could have been somebody else, but the point is Free Press today, what is Free Press's top line revenue, Tom? Do we know? Uh, I've not seen what I would call is reliable disclosure. So, top line revenue. Let's see where it's at right now. What is Free Press's top line revenue? Can you see that? So Free Press's reported total revenue, are you joking? Oh, man.

• 52:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So if they got a $6 million revenue and somebody pays five times revenue, it's a $30 million business. Not a $250 million business. So if we use comparisons, like you know how you sell on a house, you say comp? My house is worth $2 million. Why? Cause next door neighbor is 100 square feet smaller than mine? And that's all for 1.9 million. I believe I'm a $2 million business. Okay, cool. You can do the math. Yeah. But if Huffpo was sold at a quart of a billion dollars, at a $60 million revenue, one tenth of Free Press, they're worth at best, 30, 30 million dollars. At best is what they're worth, this 30 million dollars. Uh, uh, but by the way, guess what? I don't, I'm not upset at her asking for a quart of a billion dollars.

• 53:14Patrick Bet-David?

  If somebody is willing to pay a quart of a billion dollars, guess what? Good payday for her. She went up and made her $250 million, whatever the numbers are that other people pick up, we don't have a problem with that. But the point of where I'm going with this, we went from the story of Epstein. To the story of, and by the way, the people that are forcing the Epstein story to be in there, is actually not mainstream media. Believe it or not, the people that are making Epstein's story stay there is who? Podcasters. Podcasters are now becoming like, "Give me a break, can you guys stop talking about it? Why are you talking about this?" Then it goes to Russia, then it goes to Cuomo, who was one of the faces saying, "I was wrong." We don't know what it is, maybe we'll invite him and have, I'm on a podcast, have a conversation with him. I'm sure something's gonna get scheduled here, to have a month and play the clip opening and saying, "What were you wrong about?"

• 53:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And then you go to Barry Weiss, quarter of a billion dollar saga saying, "I don't know if it's good or not." Who knows what's gonna happen there? And this leads me to the next one. I got a call. I won't disclose the name until the story comes out because I'm trying to see if this is gonna be a hit piece or not. I got a call from a very well-known New York Times person that she wanted a conversation with me. And we came down, we ended up having a three-hour conversation about a lot of different things. And I sat there and she says, "I'm gonna be recording this conversation." I said, "I'm also gonna be recording the conversation, no problem." So, everything we talked about was all recorded, that I have, everything.

• 54:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And we talked about industry. What do you think about this company? What do you think about that company? What do you think about this company? What do you think about that company? Back and forth. I was told right off the bat, "Everybody told me to not meet with you." I told her, and she'll probably say this herself, I probably told her that 10 times, that everybody told me not to meet with you. I said, "They told me it's not a good idea." They said to shun away. They said you're the worst. They said you go after people. They say you don't tell the truth. They say you lie. They say you exaggerate. How could you, who said that? I said, "I'm not gonna give you a single name." But all I'm telling you is, people that I trust, that I have a relationship with, they don't trust you. But I'm willing to sit down with everybody and have a very basic rule. You'll always have access to me if you're respectful to me. The moment you, you know, exaggerate and misrepresent what I said,

• 55:24Patrick Bet-David?

  you'll never get a hold of me. It's very simple how I work. If I can't get a hold of you and we have a relationship together, and then you want me to be accessible to you, I'll always be accessible to, accessible to you. The moment you take that for granted, we don't need a relationship. I'm moving on and going to a different place. And this applies to people in the media space, because the media people all talk to each other. But for whatever reason, it is very nasty and ugly in this space. It's so ugly and nasty in a very different way. Because everyone's like, "Well, that guy's podcast is thrown down, and this guy's podcast is this, and that guy's streaming, and that guy's..." Everyone's talking like that. Nelk Boys.

• 55:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Sit down and interview Bibi, okay? And even at the beginning of their interview, they're like, oh my God, I don't even know what we're doing here. We're way over our head and we're, you know, we're, should we do this? Should we not do this? And by the way, historically, they've been one of the best to bring eyeballs of the youth to President Trump. They get a lot of credit for doing this. And even during COVID, they were one of the first guys that did an interview. The video got like six, seven, eight million views. Within 24 hours, YouTube took it down. That was back in the days when interviews of Trump would be taken down. And they did a big interview. So they've done a very good job over the years. Dana White's been a very big supporter of these guys. Behind closed doors, cameras on, cameras off, they're freaking great to be around. Okay, these guys, especially Kyle, really like him, Stein is funny as well, to be around these guys.

• 56:43Patrick Bet-David?

  They interview Bibi. Right after interviewing Bibi, the mob goes after them. How could you? How dare you? You doing softball questions, this, this, that? And here's what they had to say, Rob, if you don't mind playing this clip, play the clip.

• 56:55Speaker 17

  It's a good point. Someone said, uh, having Netanyahu on is like having modern day Hitler. No, I saw that. Which is honestly, guys, I'll be honest, I'm, I'm here to, it's a good point.

• 57:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What's a good point?

• 57:08Speaker 17

  I like, we're here to fucking learn, to be honest, guys. Good, it's a-

• 57:14Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what else? What's a good point? Let it keep playing. That was the end of the clip. Oh, that was the end of it? Yes, sir. So they, they say this, comparing Netanyahu to Hitler. And they're saying that's a good point because the market is reacting to them in a very, very hardcore way. Then they get Bassem Youssef, which we've had him on, it's so funny. The other day, people showed a clip of Bassem Youssef when he was on the podcast. He had come with terrible back pain. Middle of the podcast, I'm lifting up his shirt and putting a, we got him a icy hot thing to put on. I'm putting, what do you call it? Stuff for the pain to go in. And afterwards I cook up on a nice meal and bring him a sous to give him a nice massage on his- Massage at your house? Yeah, at my house, yeah. All this stuff.

• 57:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Bassem Youssef goes on, and this is the clip when they're together at the podcast. And here's how they open it up, okay? Here's how they open it up. You can go back a little bit. Press play.

• 58:06Speaker 17

  We should have grilled him 50,000, 100,000 times harder, but something we can't get back and we'll probably always regret that.

• 58:12Speaker 18

  Of course, but I know you can't get back this like trip in Israel, but I'm just telling you, this was like part of a much bigger propaganda effort, right? And a country that spends $150 million on its image.

• 58:25Speaker 18

  They are covering something. They, when they spread all of this propaganda, it's like, we're not starving people in Gaza.

• 58:32Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there. You can pause it right there. If somebody wants to watch the rest, they can watch the rest. By the way, they spent 150, we probably spent tens of billions of dollars to make our image clean. Every country spends money on that. It's not only one country that does it or not. But here's what I would tell you. The point I want to make to you guys is the following. And this is specifically going to the Nell crew, all of them, all the crew there. Dude, you don't have to apologize. Honestly, you guys don't have to apologize. You guys have done very good work, very. And you're in the process of learning. You're interviewing people. You don't need to sit there and worry about the mob.

• 59:14Patrick Bet-David?

  FYI, the mob is going to come after you in such ways to make you get on your knees and convince you that you're going to lose all your customers. You're not going to lose your customers. You guys are loved. People love you guys. You truly are loved. The audience, who is the Happy Dad? If you're drinking, if somebody drinks beer here, go buy the Happy Dad beer. Because these guys are good guys. They're very good guys at what they do, very. They're trying to do their best. Young guys coming up, openly talking about the stuff they're doing. These are good guys. But this next phase we're going to, all of these guys that are coming up, God forbid you do an interview that somebody's not happy with.

• 59:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Be very, very careful trying to win over the mob. You're not going to. Let me say it again. There's different formats of, like even for us, a part of the market, how they look at us. It's so funny when they come and see us, they're like, whoa, you guys got 11 acre land here on the airport? Yes, you guys leased this? No, we own this place. How do you guys have 164 employees? What do they do here? 163 on any given day, we're at 164 now. How do you guys have 164 full-time employees? You guys just had 30 people 20 years ago, last time I came. You guys were in an office in Boca 3 years ago when I came. What's going on with, now you guys have a cigar lounge? Now you guys got a platinum lounge? Now you guys got another? What are you guys doing behind closed doors? We're building a business is what we're doing.

• 1:00:43Patrick Bet-David?

  And our method of what we're going to, we have the business owner audience. We have entrepreneurs audience. We understand to small business owners because to me, I believe the backbone of America is small business owners. It's very hard to build a company. We're at a shop here, okay, in Vegas. The two owners are here. First thing I said is I want to see what the back looks like. They got a beautiful podcast studio here. I go to the back, all the people have been so nice to us, okay? Adam's put the entire crew to work. I'm so upset at Adam. They're so respectful to us. They're so nice to us. There's about 11 employees I met. That's hard cost. This is hard. This is not easy. They have to make this thing work and make money doing this. All this camera, all this stuff is, this is hard.

• 1:01:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So we, like our audience, understand how hard it is to grow a business. Pay salary, have benefits, keep people happy. You lose somebody, you hire them, you train them. You try to put a good thing together. I, I just want anybody and everybody that's in the media space, we agree, disagree. I don't care if you're Sager and his partner, uh, uh, I want to say Crystal is his wife's name. It's his, uh, her name who's married to Kyle Kulinsky, who we've had on before. And he was good when we had him on. It's not easy to build a business. It's not easy for any one of them, from the left, the right, the center, no matter what part you are.

• 1:02:06Patrick Bet-David?

  But the direction people are going to next, the currency they're going to be looking at is whether you're fair, whether you're consistent, whether you have the ability to be, to reason, and you're willing to talk to anybody and everybody. And that's what you're doing. If you all of a sudden get arrested by the comment section, welcome to miserable life. Cause the mob then realizes, ooh, we got ahold of them. We scared them. We control you. Nope, you can't do that. We're gonna send our audience and go in the comment section to bash PBD Podcast and Koomas because what Pat said about Muslims and also go in the comment section, you won't move us.

• 1:02:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Go and knock boys and scare the crap out of them. Don't let them move you. Your voice is important.

• 1:02:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You've done good work. And you're gonna get better. It's just gonna get better. A 35 year old Kyle, a 40 year old Kyle, John in the back, the CEO doing a phenomenal job. These guys are doing good work, but I think on a media space where we're going to next. It's gonna be a very interesting race and it'll come down to, you know what? Oh, when I watch PBD podcast, they sell shirts and they sell men's and they sell consulting. Yeah, we sell our businesses instead of taking sponsorship money. So we're not owned by anybody else. Bingo. We do it because our loyalty is to the truth and the customers. That's what we want to do. If you don't like us and walk away, we're also okay with that. You'll come back. We understand business. We've been around. We got thick skin.

• 1:03:44Patrick Bet-David?

  But I think there's a massive opening right now in a marketplace with media. And it'll be very, very interesting. There's gonna be some that no matter where they go, they tear the house down and they leave and they blame the company. This happened in insurance a lot.

• 1:04:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Every time I interview the guy that wanted a job that bashed their previous three companies, I'm gonna be the fourth. Any girl you ever date that trashes the previous three boyfriends, you're gonna be the fourth. Any guy you date that bashes his previous three girlfriends, you're gonna be the fourth very soon. That's how this works. No one is perfect. Everyone's trying to figure this thing out. And on any given day, anyone's gonna fall into some kind of a scandal. Well, let me tell you what happened. They just got money from Qatar. They got money from Saudi. They got money from Mossad or Israel. No, they're funded. All right, we'll see. Pump the brakes. Let's see what happens here. As more of the stories come out, but I hope Barry gets a court of a billion dollars that she wants.

• 1:04:43Patrick Bet-David?

  But Barry, realistically, on a $6 million revenue with that number is right for 2024. And that's the run rate. You were as of December 31st, a 30 million dollar company, which is a very hard thing to do. If the people still are willing to pay $250 million for a 30 million dollar company, that means you need to write a book on sales and negotiation, period. And people, I would buy it. Because you sold the company for what? A bigger valuation than it's really worth, and there's nothing wrong with that. But business comps, it's a different market we're in today, and I'm so excited about the next 10 years. I am so excited about the next 10 years because we're gonna see some real nasty things happen the next 10 years.

• 1:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And the next 10 years, we're also gonna see some people that nobody expected to come to the top, to come out of nowhere and become the cream of the crop. And then everyone's gonna target that company. You'll see. Be patient. It's coming to the city near you. That's how business and capitalism works. That's what's gonna be taking place. Adam, I think you want to say something.

• 1:05:41Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I love that entire perspective. So most people are obsessed with other people's opinions. Most people are imprisoned by other people's thoughts and feelings. Most people are trying to keep up with the Joneses. Free yourself from the prison of what other people think. I've learned this the hard way. The hardest thing to do is not give a flip about what other people have to say. Let's put these things in order. Number one, keyboard warriors, Adam, you suck.

• 1:06:13Adam Sosnick?

  At this point.

• 1:06:14Patrick Bet-David?

  But some of them are right.

• 1:06:15Adam Sosnick?

  Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter to me. Number two, see how many friends I have, friends that go, I can't believe you voted for Trump. I can't believe you would sit down with Nick Fuentes. I can't believe that you would associate with Andrew Tate. I can't believe that you would talk to Candace Owens. Oh, yeah? Shut the fuck up. This is what we do. We talk to people. We hear the truth. The last thing that's liberating is your closest friends and family. There's friends and family in my life. Why do you do this? Why do you travel? Why do you have to go this? Why do you do this? You could also shut the F up because this is what we do. Thank God, I'm gonna give PBD a shout out.

• 1:06:56Adam Sosnick?

  That we have a leader with a backbone who does, don't apologize. We had a situation recently where they, Adam, they want you to apologize. No, you don't have to. This is what we do. When you have conviction and you stand for something, you don't have to go anywhere. As far as what the Nelk Boys did, I think they're great. I think Kyle's a nice dude. They should have done better. To read a comment and say, wow, we interviewed Bibi Netanyahu, the modern day Hitler. Okay, that's fair. Really, bro?

• 1:07:25Adam Sosnick?

  Is that actuality, the reality? Bibi Netanyahu is the modern day Hitler? Modern day Hitler? Are you freaking kidding me? And Bassem Youssef can go on all these podcasts and criticize Israel. Why can't Bassem Youssef go back to Egypt? Why can't he go back to the country that he's from? Because in the country you're from, you can't criticize the government. You can't criticize the government in Iran. You can't criticize the government of Egypt. You can't criticize the government of Syria. You'll end up dead. You can criticize the government in Israel, no problem. And to the whole camp that goes, "Well, you can't criticize Israel." What's the one people, what's the run country you can't criticize? Are you fucking kidding me?

• 1:08:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, at this point, bro.

• 1:08:10Adam Sosnick?

  Sorry.

• 1:08:11Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the third time, man.

• 1:08:12Adam Sosnick?

  Sorry.

• 1:08:13Patrick Bet-David?

  We had dinner last night talking about this.

• 1:08:14Adam Sosnick?

  This upsets me because all I hear...

• 1:08:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand that.

• 1:08:17Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no. Because all I hear is that you can't criticize Israel. And all I hear are "F you, die, Jew, kill yourself."

• 1:08:25Patrick Bet-David?

  These are two separate things.

• 1:08:26Adam Sosnick?

  I'm sorry, I'm fired up here. But when half the world hates you, deal with it and get tough. Because the whole notion that Israel can't be criticized, the whole notion that Bibi Netanyahu can't be criticized, that's all they do.

• 1:08:40Tom Ellsworth?

  I think you've branched over into... Go ahead, Vinnie, I'm sorry.

• 1:08:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, I just want to say one thing, Adam. And I understand where you're coming from and I get your passion, it's all good.

• 1:08:47Adam Sosnick?

  I'm sorry about that.

• 1:08:48Speaker 07

  You're the angry patriot at this point. But I don't think it's that. I think it's when you want to criticize Israel, there's two labels. You're anti-Semitic means you hate all Jews, or you support Hamas. That is a big problem. Because the moment you can't say, "Wait a minute, there are starving kids in Gaza. They are shooting open fire on people that are just trying to get food. Those kids aren't terrorists." And to have an attitude like, "Well, they're gonna grow up to hate Jews and they're gonna want to kill Jews, let's just shoot them." That's the problem. It's not that... If you can't criticize without being labeled and sticking up for the children and the innocent people, bro, that's the disconnect. It's not all Jews.

• 1:09:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie, just so you know, you're right and he's right.

• 1:09:32Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:09:33Patrick Bet-David?

  But it's not Hitler. No, I'm not agreeing to that. What are we talking about? No, I'm not agreeing to that. What are we, no, I, I want to make sure you qualify that. Oh, yeah. We're not talking about Hitler. Absolutely not. We are talking about Just criticizing. Somebody who is a true believer in his cause. His name is Bibi, and it's not your cause. Yes. And you can disagree with them. Yes. But to all of a sudden No. Have that category as here. No, that's ridiculous. Oh, that's what's going on. No, that's, that's a horrible comparison. And by the way, over here, last night, my son, we go to, I don't know where, I don't want to say where we had dinner. Last time we had dinner, we, we're doing a convention here, there's going to be around 10,000 people here. I was just at the, a, award ceremony in the morning. Quick shout out to Maral Tikran and the whole crew, phenomenal job on the opening video.

• 1:10:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to watch the opening video at 7:00 AM with my daughter Senna, who is my number one road dog. She was there with me just watching it, and then we came here and, and then we came here. But, uh, uh, uh, uh, last night, we're at this place, we're having dinner. How cool was that conversation at dinner? Fant- amazing, amazing. It was like, and Tico is standing just going like this, I'm watching Tom. And, and by the way, listening to Tom at these types of dinners, I'm telling you, you get so much smarter just listening to Tom with his experience of faith and then Adam and Tom talking about, you know, what it is to be a Jew and Christianity, and then you jumping in there and just back and forth, all of us. It was such a great dinner.

• 1:11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a regular thing for us. The only thing, the reason I'm getting upset at Adam is I'm asking specifically, stop dropping F bombs. I've asked him so many times, I don't like it. My bad, sir. Because this, when I do other things, guest says it, guest says it. Kids are watching us. People want to put their kids in front of this. I'm not a fan of that. I've, I've, I've told you this hundreds of times privately, now you're forcing me to say it to you publicly. That's fair, that's fair. Don't do that to me after I just had a conversation with you yesterday. You're absolutely right. All right. And I'll say one thing. Yeah. I apologize. I know you. I tried to say, I tried to say flip a few times. But guess what? And I apologize. You, you gotta, you gotta control, because the targeting's not going to change. True that. Yeah, I'm, I'm at a place right now where my position is very simple.

• 1:11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yesterday, you know what's one of the conversations we had about, uh, Christians, Jews and, and Muslims? How long does it take to become a Muslim? What was the number?

• 1:11:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Thirty seconds. They ask you to say a prayer. They direct you to some things and then they say, okay, now come along with me on the journey.

• 1:11:56Patrick Bet-David?

  How long does it take to be a Christian?

• 1:11:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Similarly, thirty seconds. You understand who Christ is. You accept that and then you go on a journey.

• 1:12:02Patrick Bet-David?

  How long does it take to become a Jew? How long, Adam?

• 1:12:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, years.

• 1:12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Years?

• 1:12:07Tom Ellsworth?

  It takes a while. I think they ask you to go to classes and things like this.

• 1:12:10Patrick Bet-David?

  No, so realistically, how long does it take to become a Jew? It actually takes a few years. The Jews do not evangelize. Yeah. Like, no Jews trying to recruit you. Actually, think about it. When is the last time a Jew came to you talking to you about becoming a Jew? Never. Never with me. Never. And I've been around a lot of them. Well, I'd like to talk to you guys. By the way, last, I had a guy, a friend of mine, I won't say his name, but he's Muslim. He came, I brought him to the house. We made a meal. We sat down, we gave him food. We had a great conversation together. And then he takes out a backpack full of Korans and books and he gives it to me. He says, I want to talk to you about a religion of Islam. Religion of peace. In my house. Tried to pitch you Islam in your house. By the way, I respect it.

• 1:12:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't say it in a negative way. I respect the fact that you have the audacity to come to my house after I feed you to tell me about your religion. That's never happened to me with Jews. So, what is Jews' vision and outcome? What are they trying to do? You know, maybe they want to control media. Maybe they want to control, maybe, by the way, would I be surprised if, if the Jewish community goes and tries to buy up fifty podcasts the next three years? I would not be surprised. Would I be surprised if Qatar goes and buys thirty or four? No. Would I be surprised if Russia go, would I be surprised if some new Soros of the other side get started and buys

• 1:13:34Patrick Bet-David?

  podcasts that the messaging is what? Pro-America, pro, yeah, I'm not surprised. This is what's gonna happen. This is the direction we're going. The next five, I'm telling you, the next five, ten years. Back in the days that something called the Oklahoma land rush, you're gonna see the media rush the next five to 10 years for influence. And a lot of people are gonna get dropped and destroyed. Because a lot of people will slow down because of money, fame, bad habits, cocaine, drugs, gambling, dumb shit, and some of the people just paying a little bit of money and they're gonna walk away. The race for media is gonna be very, very interesting the next five or 10 years. Alright, let's go to the next story. The next story has nothing to do with media. It has to do with you guys making babies. It's very simple, because we're not doing enough of it, okay?

• 1:14:18Patrick Bet-David?

  US birth rate hits an all-time low, folks. CDC says, all-time low at 1.59. Never in the history of America have we hit 1.59. That's absolutely terrible for America to continue getting bigger. Terrible to be at 1.5. Let me give you this number to you. The fertility rate in the US dropped to an all-time low, 1.59. Uh, uh, uh, children being born per women inching down from a 1.62 in 2023. Uh, according to the US Center of Disease Control, CDC, National was once amongst the few developed countries and a rate ensuring generational replacement in about 2.1 kids per woman.

• 1:15:01Patrick Bet-David?

  But it has been sliding down for nearly two decades. As more women wait longer to have children or opt out entirely, Leslie Root, a university, Colorado Boulder researcher, focused on fertility and population policy said, "We're seeing that as part of an ongoing process on fertility delay, we know that the US population is still growing and we still have a natural increase, more births than that." Rob, can you pull up the number? History of birth rate in US? If you can just pull it up going all the way back, I'd be curious to know what that looks like. Tom, your thoughts on the story here, 1.59?

• 1:15:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, guess what? Um, once upon a time, we had a baby boom. Because men came home from serving in the war, some didn't at the end of World War II. Uh, God rest their souls. Thank you for their service to the family. And we had a baby boom because they came home and the country of freedom had a booming economy, things were going on, and the baby boom was a result of people coming home to have families. You know, the God tells us be fruitful and multiply, and it was a largely Judeo-Christian construct there. And now, what we have is we devalue life, you know, kids are an inconvenience, kids are a financial hardship, kids are this, and we're forgetting

• 1:16:17Tom Ellsworth?

  what it, what's there. We, we then turn away from marriage, and we're, we're married less than ever, and we now look back and we say, no, wait a minute, what's happened? We're not getting married, we're not having families, we're not forming a family, and we're having fewer kids. Well, when you tell everybody that the value of a human life is negligible and is circumstantial, because it's all for the best, and maybe you could just have the abortion now, maybe it's all for the best, and you make it circumstantial financial, then you tell everybody, you know, about the, the, the value of, of women's independence and things, and you lose family. You lose family. So you lose family as a

• 1:17:01Tom Ellsworth?

  construct that helps build countries, and then you look back years later and you look at charts, you go, hey, wow, people are having fewer kids. And that's what's happened over time. Yeah, I, Pat, this is the outcome. You know, at times I talk about upstream, downstream, and it's not my theories, this is real. Upstream, we devalued the family, we devalued human life, we told men and women that they didn't have really wonderful roles in society. We told one was better than the other, and one was better than the other. And we did that. And now downstream, what do we have? You know, a shrinking, you know, families in America, where this used to be just the, the most wonderful thing is, is

• 1:17:43Tom Ellsworth?

  you want to have three kids, have three kids. You know, Kim and I would have had more. You know, the, the calendar caught up with us because we got married late. And I know, Pat, you said you would have had more.

• 1:17:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I would have 20.

• 1:17:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Exactly. So it's not...

• 1:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, when I say 20, people, honestly...

• 1:17:58Tom Ellsworth?

  They laugh, but you're dead serious.

• 1:17:59Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, they think I'm joking.

• 1:18:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah. I know you're serious.

• 1:18:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I would have 20 kids.

• 1:18:04Speaker 07

  I believe you.

• 1:18:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:18:06Speaker 07

  People look at you like, oh, okay, yeah, whatever.

• 1:18:07Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, this isn't a, this isn't sarcasm or joke. I would have 20 kids. By the way, do you know when was the highest we ever hit? Birth rate in America? You know what the number is?

• 1:18:15Tom Ellsworth?

  The number? Three and a half?

• 1:18:17Patrick Bet-David?

  We hit 3.77 in 1957.

• 1:18:22Tom Ellsworth?

  The baby boom.

• 1:18:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. 3.77 in 1957. A couple of things to be thinking about, Rob. Can you pull up the average price of a home in 1957?

• 1:18:37Tom Ellsworth?

  And now we have financial stresses on people.

• 1:18:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Average price of a house in 19...

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• 1:19:39Patrick Bet-David?

  57 was what?

• 1:19:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Sorry, that's the wrong year. And do you have a multiple on income?

• 1:19:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you put 1857? Rob just went back 100 years.

• 1:19:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Sorry.

• 1:19:47Patrick Bet-David?

  That's sad. He's like... 1957, the average price of a house was 12,220. Can you tap in the average income? Oh, right there. It says it right there. Income is $5,000. So what is the average? So $5,000?

• 1:20:00Tom Ellsworth?

  2.4, right there.

• 1:20:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So 2.4. What is that today? What is the home to price income ratio in 2025?

• 1:20:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Shout out to Rob. 2025, yeah. Typer. 2025, 2.4. That number is gonna be, damn. That is insane, guys. That, until we figure that out. Five times. Wow. It's five times. That's... That's tough.

• 1:20:35Tom Ellsworth?

  And you can talk about the property tax insurance costs that are on top of that.

• 1:20:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Yeah. On top of that, and... 1957, that was very low. And, and Hillary Clinton, who comes out and says, you know, uh, uh, since Americans are not having kids, this is why we need immigration to come through here. Meaning she was defending why we had, you know, 15 million people come through, whatever that number is. She says, "This is why we need immigration, because we're not, Americans are not having a lot of kids." Oh my god. What about if we go on a campaign of people making, you know, having families, having kids, what if we go back into the hero-making machine? Is that the one where she says that? Yes, sir. Yeah, that's the one, Rob. How many minutes is it? Two minutes 23. I can see if I can find a shorter one. See how long it takes for it to get into it. Can you listen to it yourself before you bring it to us? Why don't you do that? So, I think, to, to me,

• 1:21:24Patrick Bet-David?

  i-if we're, if we're, which by the way, Sydney Sweeney, man. Shout out to her. I love her. Four billion impressions after that commercial. Four billion? Uh, four billion impressions. Holy moly. Yes. Sixty-five million dollars of free marketing, a dollar spent for American Eagle. Valuation went up $300 million. Her Q score went up. Americans looking at a girl like, "Oh my god, you know, I, I, I can now go back to being attracted to natural-looking girls." And she got a shout-out from Trump, because Trump found out that apparently, I didn't even know Sweeney was a Republican. Watch this one here. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:22:03Speaker 20

  Uh, actress Sydney Sweeney cannot speak as a registered Republican. Any thoughts on that?

• 1:22:09Speaker 21

  That who was?

• 1:22:10Speaker 20

  Sydney Sweeney, she's like a very hot actress.

• 1:22:12Speaker 21

  She's a registered Republican? Oh, now I love her ass. Is that right, is Sydney Sweeney?

• 1:22:18Adam Sosnick?

  Now I love her.

• 1:22:19Speaker 21

  You'd be surprised at how many people are Republicans.

• 1:22:22Patrick Bet-David?

  He's right.

• 1:22:23Speaker 21

  That's what I wouldn't have known, but I'm glad you told me that. If Sydney Sweeney is a registered Republican, I think her ad is fantastic. Okay, thank you very much, everybody.

• 1:22:35Patrick Bet-David?

  He's always out of his mind.

• 1:22:37Speaker 07

  You know, he was on the roof today. He was on the roof of the White House.

• 1:22:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he was on the roof today, but staying on this point here with with kids. Okay, you know, having the kids. Vinnie, do you have any thoughts on that story with hitting 1.59?

• 1:22:50Speaker 07

  I mean, just just sitting here listening to it, like as soon as you started it, I was just like, you know, it's time to get active, not just just blindly going, I need a girl, I need to have a kid, but being more intentional about.

• 1:23:01Patrick Bet-David?

  We're in Vegas. You mean, it's just like.

• 1:23:03Speaker 07

  I get it, but I mean.

• 1:23:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait till we get back to Florida at least. I would wait.

• 1:23:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I've I've stuff in the pipeline.

• 1:23:10Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I would. I would wait. I would wait till we get back.

• 1:23:12Speaker 07

  But but but being intentional.

• 1:23:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie is actually really thinking about it right now, right afterwards.

• 1:23:16Speaker 07

  To pull the trigger?

• 1:23:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Going to go find him a suit.

• 1:23:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, but I think I think being more intentional and and putting yourself in in the situation where you're going to meet someone, filter out people, like going to a nightclub right now and meeting a girl and expecting to start a family is is is stupid.

• 1:23:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Adam disagrees with you on that, but go ahead, Adam.

• 1:23:32Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, maybe old school, but I have some cologne for you and some old Barry White CDs.

• 1:23:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, but I mean, it's like the numbers. What do we talk about here? Words talk, numbers scream. The numbers are screaming and it's loud and um, yeah, I think uh, getting active is.

• 1:23:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, what's on your mind on this?

• 1:23:48Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, I think in America, we need we need to make moms great again. So, uh, in America, in my experience, we are way more focused on individualism than collectivism and improving society. Everyone wants to do what's right for them, and I'm totally understanding of that. I'm actually in the selfish camp. Pat and I talk about being selfish versus selfless. The timeframe for a man to be selfish is a little bit different from a for a woman to be selfish. So remember when the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs? Harrison Bucker. Harrison Bucker went and gave a speech. Yeah. In front of the Catholic school, and he's like, congratulations on graduating, everybody. Uh, but quick point, ladies, don't focus on a career. Focus on family.

• 1:24:33Adam Sosnick?

  Career will not fulfill you, family will. And then the women in the crowd are like, whoa. I just graduated. Let me at least get a job before you give me this lecture. And I'm here to tell you this. Harrison Bucker is absolutely right. Going down the path where you're putting your career first and you never have a family as a woman is very problematic. Now, as a man, I also encourage you to eventually have kids. I don't have kids yet. I've had a lot of practice, but eventually I want to have kids and I will have multiple kids. That is my plan. But the difference between a man being in his 40s versus a woman being in her 40s, a man, I think there's an 80-plus percent chance of a man in his 40s with no

• 1:25:15Adam Sosnick?

  medical involvement whatsoever to have kids. That's with no medical involvement. A woman in her 40s, there's less than a 10% chance without medical involvement to have kids. So the odds are not on your side. For the gentleman out there, if you want to be selfish, if you're in your 30s or 40s and make your money and wait to have kids, totally understand. For women to do that, there's going to be a very problematic situation. I'm not telling women to go back in the kitchen, but by the time you go back in the kitchen, you might not be able to have a baby.

• 1:25:44Patrick Bet-David?

  What's that?

• 1:25:45Speaker 07

  One in the oven?

• 1:25:46Adam Sosnick?

  Make daddy a sandwich.

• 1:25:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think that's true.

• 1:25:48Adam Sosnick?

  Now, can I address one thing, what Hillary Clinton said about immigration? Immigration.

• 1:25:52Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, let's have him actually play the clip and then let's react to it. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:25:57Speaker 22

  The people who produce the most children in our country are immigrants and they want to deport them. So none of this adds up. But, you know, one of the reasons why our economy did so much better than comparable advanced economies across the world is because we actually had a replenishment, because we had a lot of immigrants legally and undocumented who had a, you know, larger-than-normal, by American standards, families. So this is just another one of their, you know, "Make America Great Again" by returning to the lifestyles and the economic arrangements of not just the 1950s.

• 1:26:37Speaker 22

  I mean, let's keep going back as far as we can and, you know, see what happens.

• 1:26:43Speaker 07

  I can't believe people pay for her to talk.

• 1:26:46Tom Ellsworth?

  There's a lot of code. There's a lot of code that goes in those discussions. And I find it disgusting because there was a lot of Democrats that were devaluing immigrants. Oh, who will cut your grass? Who will do that? Really? So you need immigrants here and you're only and you're and you're you're basically, you know, gonna here comes a word segregate them into the menial side of of society, menial jobs? Shame on you. How can you say that? Oh, well, we need immigrants for this. We need you. So you're saying you need immigrants for your standard of living? I'm sorry, it just that repulses me and I see I heard a lot of code and some dog whistles in the statements that were made by Hillary Clinton there. And I'm not buying it and I don't think anybody that's come to this country should stand for it.

• 1:27:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Stand up, find yourself a career, find yourself a place, build your build your family here, but come here legally.

• 1:27:32Adam Sosnick?

  But the whole conversation was involved around making babies and who's making babies and immigration. So America in the future will be Hispanic. The Latinos, the Latino women are making the most babies. I think their fertility rate is above three, whereas Christians, white women are what's the number 1.6, whatever it is. Now, religious Orthodox Jews, they have the highest rate, but they're not going to be taken over anytime soon. Very few of them. So America will become Hispanic sooner rather than later. Conversely, the Europe, the UK, France will be Muslim in no time. What is the number one baby name in England, in the UK?

• 1:28:17Adam Sosnick?

  It's not Chandler. It's not Kyle. It's not Willem. It's fricking Mohammed. Mohammed is numero uno. And it's gonna happen in Brussels. It's gonna happen in Paris. It's gonna happen all over the UK. It's gonna happen all over the EU. And most people in Europe, you're gonna either convert or die in the next 50 years. And I'm not being shocking and I'm not being bombastic. It's going to happen. So either Europe's gonna fight back or they're just gonna become Muslim. Now, why would I say something like this? Because when it comes to immigration, there's two key points. There's either... Assimilation or domination?

• 1:29:00Adam Sosnick?

  I see evidence, we talk about America becoming Hispanic, all good. Miami, half my friends are Latinos, they're Jamaicans, they're Puerto Ricans, they're Venezuelans, they're Colombians, they assimilate to America, no problem whatsoever. Show me situations where Muslims go into a country and do not end up dominating. By the way, every single Muslim city that is in Middle East today was formerly Christian. Beirut, Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran, all these cities, Cairo, were all Christian. They are now Muslim now. I respect the hell out of what the Muslims are doing, because they're not playing games. They're here to dominate, and you can either get run over, or you can fight back.

• 1:29:45Adam Sosnick?

  And in America, I'm totally comfortable with Latinos taking over, especially big booty Latinas. I am not comfortable with Muslims running America.

• 1:29:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, listen, coming to a city near you, and Mamdani yesterday was with Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Warren saying, "This is exactly what we need for the Democratic Party. We need exactly somebody like a Mamdani, and this is where the Democratic Party needs to go next." I'm not even gonna get into that story, I'm just saying that's what they were talking about yesterday. But I want to get into another story here, in regards to business. Rob, I'm gonna go to the, where's the buy now, pay later, okay, there it is. Okay, so buy now, pay later loans, a generation is turning to buy now, pay later for botox and concert tickets. This is a Wall Street Journal, so can you imagine people are using buy now, pay later

• 1:30:37Patrick Bet-David?

  for botox and concert tickets? Page 16. So, buy now, pay day loans is the worst thing for consumers since payday loans, the BNPL. Stats are finally coming out, that has become financially destructive force, with a 2023 TransUnion report showing BNPL usage soared 43% in Europe, 40% of users missing at least one payment. Often facing hefty late fees and aggressive collections. And a report came up showing indicating that in households charging insufficient funds. Fee eighty-five percent would also charge an overdraft fund. BNPL is dangerous because it doesn't feel like debt masking the risk by presenting payments

• 1:31:21Patrick Bet-David?

  as a twenty-five dollar a week is an illusion. And it's getting bigger and bigger. Ashlyn Danger Dagger, twenty-two years old. Used BNPL loans from a firm, a financial technology company, starting at eighteen years old. A thirty percent interest rate loan for eleven hundred dollar mattress, later financing groceries, haircuts, eyelash extensions, leading to nearly forty-six hundred dollars in debt with seven hundred seventy-one dollar a monthly payment. She said initially it starts off with necessities and to me it was just twenty dollars a month. Here twenty dollars a month, there are not a thousand dollar debt. A June report that Bank of America Institute noted a surge in such loans amongst young Americans who face a tougher employment picture and higher prices using them for necessities.

• 1:32:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Your dear Alara, twenty-eight, financed a nine hundred dollar botox and filler injections with Klarna. Think about that, okay? And a Swedish bank was a TikTok video. Before you come at me with who has that kind of money Klarna does and you can use Shine, Amazon, Timu, use it for your face, okay? Just make payments on it. That's what she's saying. And now you're seeing data for National Bureau of Economic Research. Klarna reported seventeen percent year-over-year increase in consumer credit losses hitting a hundred and thirty-six million dollars in the first quarter. Tom, we've talked about BNPL before. By the way, is this the lady that's talking about she used the, she used the, yeah, that's her right there.

• 1:32:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 1:32:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, your thoughts on the story?

• 1:32:45Tom Ellsworth?

  So we've been talking about this for a while. And if you go back in history and you can go back about fifteen years, the auto industry wanted to sell more cars. So they started doing what's called subprime auto loans. Subprime was their term for the lower half of the middle class, subprime borrowers. So there was higher risk, but higher interest rates. And the auto industry loved it because they were able to sell more cars to say you can get in the car with ...payment, not telling them that that $1,500 Toyota, $15,000 Toyota Corolla was going to cost you almost $20,000 by the time you're done with that 14% loan.

• 1:33:24Tom Ellsworth?

  So that's typically how sectors of the economy have used alternative financing to get to next levels of consumers. And unfortunately, those levels of consumers are thinking payment, they're not thinking about ultimate cost. Guess what? BNPL originally was not on credit reports, and on this podcast, we were screaming about it, saying, "People don't necessarily understand what they're doing." And we saw what happened on Black Friday. Remember that, Vinny? We were looking at those Black Friday stats? And then, what happened on Valentine's Day? "Happy Valentine's Day! I'm missing a payment! Missing a payment on the TV that I bought at 18% or more interest rate."

• 1:34:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Now, within the last 12 months, we, on this podcast, we cheered when BNPL had to be on your credit report. Why is that important? The credit report is an important mechanism, so that customers know what they can afford, but they're also rated appropriately, and consumers with legged education about how these mechanisms work could be controlled on who can say, "Hey, you don't qualify." "Why don't I qualify?" "You have too much debt." "What do I have too much debt on?" And there could be some sort of a counseling or a discussion, or a triggering mechanism to get them to do it. And then, credit card companies are giving you free access to your credit report. That's a good thing. Now, we're seeing here, BNPL is being used for things like Botox.

• 1:34:49Tom Ellsworth?

  BNPL averages almost six months. I looked up this morning, and they said, "Botox in your forehead, or for wrinkles, you know, in your face, is about a three and a half month, then the Botox wears off, and by the time you get to four and five months, the wrinkles and things are coming back." So that means that if you keep BNPL for an average of five and a half, six months, it's a month and a half after the Botox is worn off. And that, and you've, and you're paying-

• 1:35:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, that's been your, you're saying that's been your experience.

• 1:35:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, because I know you're a bolt on- It's horrible. Let me take a look, Tom. Horrible. I gave up on it. Tom, you don't look a day over sixty. I stopped the Botox for this reason. And they put the BNPL on my credit report. I was all pissed off. Yeah, it's all good. But the point here is now, we are getting into teenagers and young people in their twenties, young adults, who are putting this, using BNPL because to sell you the Botox, guess what they're doing? If your credit card doesn't have enough limit, and say, "Oh PayPal, well PayPal's connected to my checking account, my credit cards." "Oh, ah, I can go to Klarna and Affirm." And then Klarna and Affirm talk about, Klarna says 136 million in your, consumer credit losses.

• 1:35:59Tom Ellsworth?

  BNPL is turning out to be not a convenience to turn purchasing a TV-

• 1:36:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, Tom, the reality of it is the following. Here's the reality of it. You know, the other day, I'm driving in my car with Brooklyn and, no, no, Senna and Dylan. And Dylan says, "I think they should make cigarettes illegal if it kills people." "Really?" "Yeah." "Okay." "How many people you think die from cigarettes versus car accidents?" "I don't know." I said, "So, we looked at the numbers, whatever the number was, 30, not 35,000 people die every year from car accidents." And then, a number of people that die from cigarettes, it was astronomical, like 10 times more, like give or take. I think if the number shows up, yeah, cigarettes for eighty, car accidents forty thousand. I said, "Forty thousand people die from car accidents every year. Should we make cars illegal?" "No." "Should we make cigarettes illegal?" "Yes." "Why?"

• 1:36:52Patrick Bet-David?

  "Well, because I think we should make it illegal. Should we make alcohol illegal?" "I don't think so. Why not?" "Alcohol also kills a lot of people." "Why, I just..." So the reality of it is the following. You go to the store, you have to control yourself from not using it.

• 1:37:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:37:07Patrick Bet-David?

  We can put the onus on the companies, but if you can't afford to buy something, don't buy it. If you can't afford to go buy something that's out of your league and you're trying to impress somebody, don't do it. First time I bought a Rolex, I was 35 years old. I could afford a Rolex at 26 years old. I didn't buy a Rolex till I was 35 years old. I didn't have a need to. I waited. I, I put the cash aside to kind of be- So, I, I, I do understand when we make these videos and the stuff that we say about BNPL and what they're doing at credit card companies, all this other stuff. You know what I found? I wish I would have brought my backpack. I brought a bunch of props to show. I found-

• 1:37:44Patrick Bet-David?

  A financing company in Clarksville, Kentucky called FMAC. FMAC, if you're still around, you guys got me good at 18 years old. What does that F stand for? Uh, financial, type in FMAC, what is it? Cause if it's the word I'm thinking of, I'm just gonna apologize in advance. Type in FMAC Clarksville. Can you type in FMAC? They're probably out of business. They're probably not even around. Type in FMAC Clarksville, just in, no, one word, Rob. FMAC Clarksville. Uh, and if you just put it in Google, it should come up. Just put it in Google, let's see what comes up. FMAC Clarksville. Um, I remember these guys.

• 1:38:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, God.

• 1:38:18Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, it's FMAC Clarksville. So I'll, I'll, I'll find what the name of it is. I have the whole contract. I bought a Mitsubishi Eclipse in 1997. It's a great car, actually. Do you know what my interest rate was on the car, Tom? At least 20%.

• 1:38:31Tom Ellsworth?

  What year?

• 1:38:31Patrick Bet-David?

  1997.

• 1:38:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Double digits.

• 1:38:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Double digits.

• 1:38:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, I will say 14 to 16.

• 1:38:36Patrick Bet-David?

  31%. Unbelievable. I'm gonna show it. Unbelievable. Tomorrow night. 31% for a Mitsubishi Eclipse.

• 1:38:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Credit card, we're capping at 28.75.

• 1:38:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, when I show it to you today, I, if I have the backpack, Mateo, do we have my, nah, I didn't bring, did I bring my backpack with us here? Did you see me carrying a backpack? I don't know. I just, I think I just brought my iPad. If I had it, I would, it was a red Mitsubishi Eclipse, 19, uh, it was a 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse. It was a used one. I couldn't afford a brand new one. I, so I was, that's the one right there. Look at that. Sick. Great car. Turbo. Man's got so many stories in it, it's not even funny. Look how beautiful that car is. Red Mitsubishi Eclipse. 31%. So let me ask you, is it FMAC's fault? No. Or is it PBD's fault? Um, it's PBD's fault. A part of it, you're gonna go to...

• 1:39:25Tom Ellsworth?

  I just want PBD to be given all the information when he purchases it.

• 1:39:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm fully with you. I am fully with you.

• 1:39:30Tom Ellsworth?

  But then, then, you know what? Be smart, be dumb, read it, don't read it, it's on the consumer.

• 1:39:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's on you. So what I'm trying to say is the, the, the word that you talk about with the kids is what? Restrain.

• 1:39:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Restrain, restrain. Adam, thoughts on this before we move on to the next story?

• 1:39:46Adam Sosnick?

  Most people are sleepwalking with their finances while daydreaming of their dream life. I see it all the time. Buy now, pay later is just a symptom of a larger problem, which is that people are just obsessed with stuff. People are obsessed with things. And then people end up becoming obsessed with debt. It starts with student loans, 6%. Alright, that's 50 grand. Okay, boom. Then you get credit cards, that's 25%. You want to go get a nice Mitsubishi Eclipse, you're paying 31% before you know it. Then you get buy now, pay later. That's another 30%. Then you end up doing payday loans. 300% cash advances, 300%. Do you ever wonder why the average household in America?

• 1:40:31Adam Sosnick?

  Do you know what the average household debt in America is? 100 grand. Every single person in America is minus $100,000 if you do the math. Why is this? Because we all go to school, we take the same useless classes, algebra, biology, chemistry.

• 1:40:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Gender studies.

• 1:40:46Adam Sosnick?

  No money classes. Gender, Vinnie did his gender studies, he's looking great. No money classes. So we sleepwalk throughout life and we wonder, why am I not rich? Everyone's rich out there, why am I not rich? The average person, this is what my whole thing is, the average person will be broke. The broke person will stay poor. Rich people will continue to get rich. Why? It's not because they try harder, it's because they're better. That's an element, is can they just understand money better? So, my, Pat, you asked, is it on the, is it on the bank, the car, is it on you? It's on you. It's why it's called personal finance, okay? Why are some kids raised better than others? Because it's on the parent to teach the kids. It's on you to get better with your money.

• 1:41:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I'm with it. I'm with it. I think, no matter who you are, whatever you're doing, you know, use that money for books, conferences, events, ways to, online courses, that's going to teach you how to code. And by the way, whether it's, you, there's plenty of places to go to learn how to code. My son is taking an online course right now on coding. You know why? Watch this here. I'll give you two stories. Parents, this is for you. Listen up. Share it with your kids. Kids, if you're listening, I want you to pay attention to this story. If you're 10 to 17 years old, even 8 to 17 years old, pay attention to the story.

• 1:42:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Meta to the old folks, Facebook dishes out $250 million, it's a quarter of a billion dollars to not a 50-year-old engineer, not a 40-year-old, not a 30-year-old, a 24-year-old AI whiz kid. We have reached the climax of the revenge of the nerds. Two stories I'm gonna give you. That's one of them. The other one I tell you, you will be shocked. Rob, can you pull up the New York Post story first and then we'll go to the Wall Street Journal story? Parents, listen up, parents. Watch this. So Meta offered this 24-year-old researcher, Matt Deitke, I'm gonna pronounce the last name properly. I didn't say the, I said

• 1:42:56Patrick Bet-David?

  D-E-I-T-K-E. Okay, a $250 million compensation package doubling an initial offer of $125 million, uh, offer after he, who dropped out of a University of Washington Computer Science doctoral program, turned it down with Professor David Autor, an economist at MIT, telling the Post on Friday, "When computer scientists are paid like professional athletes, we have reached the climax of revenge of the nerds." Deitke, who led development of the Momo AI chatbot at Seattle's Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence, co-founded Vercept, a startup focused on autonomous AI agents, joined Meta's superintelligence labs. His

• 1:43:38Patrick Bet-David?

  work on 3D database, data assets, and multimodal models, literally says multimodal models, earned an outstanding paper award in 2022. Meta's aggressive talent acquisition, including a billion dollars spent to build an all-star AI roster, saw Deitke deal as one of the largest in corporate history with Roaming Pank, former head of Apple AI Modern Teams, also lord for $100 million. And by the way, all of this stuff that was said, that's not even the biggest one. Rob, can you go to the Wall Street Journal one? Look at this one, folks. "Thanks for your billion-dollar offer, Mark Zuckerberg, but I'm gonna pass." What? Did you hear this? That's unbelievable.

• 1:44:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Guy gets a billion-dollar job offer and he says no. Look at that story. "The loyalties and larger-than-life figures prompting some people to turn down insanely lucrative offers in Silicon Valley." He offered originally quarter of a billion dollar compensation package potentially worth one and a half billion dollars over six years to Andrew Tullock, a leading researcher and co-founder of Thinking Machines Lab, founded by former OpenAI Chief Technology Officer Mira. But Tullock and all colleagues rejected the offer. Zuckerberg initially tried to buy Thinking Lab machines, Thinking Machine Labs, and after Murati declined that he targeted over

• 1:45:01Patrick Bet-David?

  a dozen of its roughly 50 employees, with Meta spokesman Andy Stone calling the offer's description "inaccurate and ridiculous," noting compensation depends on stock performance. Professor David Autor, an MIT economist, told The Post, "When computers signed with same line that we got here." So Tom, quarter of a billion dollar, a billion dollar offer gets turned down. What is going on here with these engineers?

• 1:45:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, let's go find out what's going on with these engineers. Here's what's going on with the engineers. There is an AI land rush that is going on right now, and Meta, and here comes, this is the biz doc, a quick case study. Meta, for two years, we've been seeing more headlines, Vinny, about people using Facebook in its old, old way, or have we been finding, man, this is bad for girls, this is bad for young kids, 14-year-olds shouldn't be on this. Australia slams Mark Zuckerberg's hand in the door with legislation. Remember that? Under 16? Going on that. So guess what? Meta has to get in the game. They create the

• 1:46:03Tom Ellsworth?

  superintelligence lab. Google has Gemini, and Google's market cap right now, I'll tell you in one second, Google market cap, right now 2.368 trillion. Meta, only 1.9 trillion. Microsoft, 4 trillion. So you've got, Google is running Gemini. That's their play. Microsoft is putting autopilot everywhere. You can't get away from autopilot. It keeps showing up everywhere you're going. And so Meta has to get into AI race, and they need to have something. Mark Zuckerberg says it's going to be the superintelligence lab. That's what our product is. That's what our play is going to be. And they have poached a big guy from Apple two and a half weeks ago.

• 1:46:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Now then, let's talk about that's what's happening. So they're poaching talent. Silicon Valley has been poaching talent forever. You used to, during COVID, you would, Pat talked about it on the podcast. During COVID, we talked about, Pat, at lunch, a guy would walk across the street, have a 15% bigger offer, come back to his boss and say, hey, at lunch, I ran a guy in line at Quiznos and I could get, instead of 150, I could get, you know, 170. What do you say? Hang on a second. All right, we'll give you 175 to stay. And all of a sudden, you had a lunch raise. But now those days kind of ended. This is the land rush. So why are these numbers so big? Because they are putting stacks of stock in front of them, saying, you know, by

• 1:47:30Tom Ellsworth?

  the way, these are half million dollar and million dollar salaries that are underneath this. These are big salaries. But then they're putting the stock on top of it. And the compensation guy there at Meta said, hang on, man, you were also reporting, he was correct, that quote that was at the very end of what Pat just read, said, oh, well, there's a lot of stock here and you don't understand about the future value. It could be this, it could be that, or it could be a billion bucks. But they, that doesn't change the fact that they're making big, big offers and Meta, trying to get superintelligence going, competing with Gemini, competing with perplexity, competing with autopilot, and with Facebook getting pressures internationally on usage. This is basically Mark

• 1:48:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Zuckerberg's next innovative campaign and next product thrust.

• 1:48:17Adam Sosnick?

  Yep. Adam, your thoughts? The first thing that comes to mind is, let's get those nerds. Have you ever seen the movie, The Revenge of the Nerds? Every single one of them. It's the best movie. It's amazing. Booger was my favorite guy. It's an 80's underdog story where these bullied nerds basically get their revenge on the jocks. You liked Booger. There was the guy Ogre, right? These guys, these nerds end up outsmarting, out hustling, outwitting, out partying the jocks. And they end up getting the girl, the notoriety, and then they win the competition in the end. But the long, the message here is that over time, if you play the long game, brains are going to beat brawn

• 1:49:00Adam Sosnick?

  every single time. The pocket protector, so to speak, is going to beat the helmet and the pads. So.

• 1:49:08Adam Sosnick?

  For the young people out there that are looking to be cool and party and have all the fun, play the long game because there's someone who sits very close to me that I see all the time and I go, look at this guy. He's a multimillionaire. He's got a family. He's got kids and I guarantee you, he was rooting for the nerds over the jocks. Isn't that right, Tom?

• 1:49:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Absolutely. I was a nerd. I wasn't a computer science. I wasn't a coder, but I was a nerd.

• 1:49:38Adam Sosnick?

  You're not a nerd now, Tom. You're a stud of a Ferrari, Tom.

• 1:49:43Tom Ellsworth?

  There's a girl dad. I'm sort of a dad geek.

• 1:49:45Speaker 07

  Chicks are throwing themselves at. Did you see Tom walking through the lobby yesterday? Girls were throwing them. Adam had to stop. Girls. Chicks were like, is that Tom's mother? Jumping on Tom with that.

• 1:49:55Patrick Bet-David?

  That's pretty bad.

• 1:49:56Speaker 07

  The best, Tom.

• 1:49:58Adam Sosnick?

  Tell your story being revenge of the nerd versus the jock. I can assume, I could see you being part of Lambda, Lambda, Lambda, Omega, Mu.

• 1:50:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I, yeah.

• 1:50:06Speaker 07

  Tom's just a.

• 1:50:07Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm more of a geek than a nerd.

• 1:50:09Adam Sosnick?

  What?

• 1:50:10Speaker 07

  No, you're a stud.

• 1:50:11Adam Sosnick?

  What's the difference between a geek and a nerd?

• 1:50:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, so a geek is kind of a nerd is kind of as revenge of the nerds, the guys that were programmers and all that. The geeks are the kind of the people that are friends of the nerds, understand them and they propel the nerds forward because they know what their capabilities are. So we are there to say, we will say, follow me nerds. We're going the top of the mountain.

• 1:50:32Adam Sosnick?

  I love it. You ever seen the movie Mean Girls? When she goes, I'm not just a mom, I'm a cool mom. Here's what I'll tell you. You're not just a geek, you're a cool geek, Tom. Thank you very much. And I have a daughter taking not one.

• 1:50:44Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I learned right there.

• 1:50:45Adam Sosnick?

  It's a great movie.

• 1:50:46Patrick Bet-David?

  All right. Let's, out of everything I learned there, I, he doesn't watch Squid Games, by the way. Oh, my God.

• 1:50:55Adam Sosnick?

  Don't, Pat. We'll do an entire segment now on your Squid Games breakdown.

• 1:50:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Addicted to this season one. My son comes back from three weeks at one of these schools where they do this kind of stuff. You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:51:09Adam Sosnick?

  Geeks, you mean?

• 1:51:11Patrick Bet-David?

  He comes back and he introduced me to Squid Games. We finished season one. What a... I'm gonna do an entire...

• 1:51:18Speaker 10

  Thing on it?

• 1:51:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't even wanna get into it. It was... I can't, I can't even tell you. Episodes six and nine were ridiculous. Episodes six and nine were ridiculous. Which were the two numbers? Six and nine. Were ridic... Now, I'm telling you, and I'm not, I'm not joking with you. Those two episodes were ridiculous. Okay. Alright, let me go to two stories here. One of the stories I'm gonna go to, Vinny, I'm coming to you with this one because you specialize in this story.

• 1:51:40Speaker 10

  Yes.

• 1:51:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, a gay couple.

• 1:51:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, Vinny! For...

• 1:51:49Speaker 10

  Stop it, PBD!

• 1:51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You're so silly with your story! Are you living like a snake? This is your story. You picked this story. It's your story, Vinny. Gay couple goes viral for baby surrogacy video. One later identified as Pennsylvania registered sex offender. Whoa, that was them. Rob, can we play without the music?

• 1:52:09Speaker 10

  Yes.

• 1:52:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead and play it, Rob. So this is them, like, congratulations, they got a kid. And two fathers, yet, I don't know if you see the picture on the bottom right. What does it say, Rob? 6312?

• 1:52:22Speaker 10

  Sexual abuse of children was his primary offense. Brandon Keith Riley Mitchell, according to this report, was registered as a sex offender on the 6th of October 2016.

• 1:52:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And, by the way, this is in Michigan. Okay? This is in the state of Michigan. With this story, let me just read it to you, and then I'm gonna come to, because I have a problem with this one. Oh, you, I... I have a problem with... Let me just read it to you. I can't even speak. Let me just read it to you. Let me just read it to you. Okay, so... Let the boy watch. Let... Well, that's the problem. Let Pat read. No, I don't want the boy to watch. No. I want the boy not to watch these two guys. That's the problem. Daddy, daddy, what are you guys doing? No, that's, it's, we don't want that. So, Brandon Keith Mitchell, writer, somebody's always, okay, got it. Okay, so, crowdfunded surrogacy bird with a husband, Logan Riley, is a registered tier-one sex offender in Pennsylvania stemming from a 2016 arrest for attempting to solicit a 16-year-old boy for sexual activity

• 1:53:20Patrick Bet-David?

  as reported by Redux, Redux. The outlet stated Brandon Keith Mitchell is a tier-one sex offender in the state of Pennsylvania and arrested in 2016 for doing that. Court records indicate Mitchell, a former chemistry teacher at Downington West High School, exchanged over 12,000 text messages with a teenager. 12...

• 1:53:41Patrick Bet-David?

  There is 12,000 text messages.

• 1:53:43Speaker 07

  12,000.

• 1:53:44Patrick Bet-David?

  With a teenage and a police search uncovered hundreds of sexually explicit videos of the victim on his laptop. Mitchell was charged with multiple felonies, including possession of child pornography, sexual abuse of children, endangering the welfare of children and corruption of minors. According to a press release from Chester County District Attorney's office dated February 9th of 2016, authorities confirmed Mitchell exchanged nude photos with sexually suggestive text messages with a male student, a junior under 18 on multiple occasions, though his defense attorney, Peter Cross, has said there's no allegations of physical contact with any student. Vinny, your thoughts on this?

• 1:54:19Speaker 07

  Absolute pure evil. Okay, you can't even adopt a dog if you're on the sex registry. Okay, but this guy got a freaking a, a, a baby like he was ordering it off of Amazon and it's like, like that's how broken our system is and I'm sorry. This is my opinion, how I feel. I don't think a gay couple of men should be adopting they shouldn't be buying some kid to have in your house. I'm sorry. It's unnatural. It should be a father and a mother because these are the type of instances that happen. And even if it's one, it's one. God knows how many more are out there. Okay, and I said this how many times? Okay? And it, it, it kills me to see that little, that, that child. I hope, have they taken the child away, Tom? I mean, Rob, have they taken the kid away from the?

• 1:55:02Speaker 10

  I have not seen it.

• 1:55:03Speaker 07

  Okay, so they haven't yet. So, so, and I said this multiple times. Okay, guys? Children are the most overlooked and abused group on this freaking planet. Okay? From, from the beginning, the schools brainwash them and sexualize them with the LGBTQ uh, push. We don't give a damn how many of them are missing at the border. 300,000, eh? They just go uh, uh, missing. Planned Parenthood murders them. Okay, what chance? What chance do they have? And then you have freaking these couples, gay couples, where one of them is a freaking sex offender to underage kids, to 12-year-olds. What do you think that kid's gonna do? They gonna do this kid when he gets older? He has to change them. They have to see him naked. They have to see his penis. They have to clean this thing. And you're doing that with 12. This kid's gonna grow up to be 12. Okay?

• 1:55:44Speaker 07

  And uh, it just drives me nuts, Pat. These kids have no voice. They have no lobby. They have no protection. And, and, and what's it say? Slip through the cracks. Are you freaking kidding me? How the hell do we keep letting this crap happen? And I've seen all the reports. I, I saw, I, I'm not gonna get into it, Pat, but there's two other stories that I, I, I sent to Rob. They're catching these people's left and right, guys. The pedophile problem around the world and including our country is insane. Put the Jeffrey Epstein aside, that's okay, the blackmail operation. Just another reverend I saw was spotted, he's a reverend, Reverend Roger Hankey, Rob. Can I send you this clip?

• 1:56:20Speaker 10

  I haven't.

• 1:56:20Speaker 07

  And by the way, guys, this is all allegedly-

• 1:56:22Patrick Bet-David?

  San Diego pastor, yeah.

• 1:56:23Speaker 07

  San Diego pastor at St. John's Episcopal Church-

• 1:56:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you see the video of the guy pulled up to the door-

• 1:56:27Speaker 07

  That's what I'm gonna-

• 1:56:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says, "You want to talk in front of your-"

• 1:56:30Speaker 07

  And he says, "No, in front of your lover?"

• 1:56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:31Speaker 07

  And like, this is happening way more than often, it's just not getting freaking reported. Alright, these people are everywhere, guys, and I urge everybody, be freaking careful. This guy's a reverend at a church, and he was caught, Rob, right there. Can you play that one? I want you guys to see this, this is, and Rob, what's the name of the company that goes out?

• 1:56:51Speaker 10

  Down in the corner, People vs. Preds.

• 1:56:53Speaker 07

  People vs. Preds, this is him-

• 1:56:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Press the video.

• 1:56:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 1:56:56Speaker 23

  How's it going, Roger? You want to talk to me privately, or do you want your boyfriend to find out, or your husband? I mean, you want to talk to me privately outside?

• 1:57:10Speaker 07

  Nice Porsche.

• 1:57:16Speaker 07

  This happened so many-

• 1:57:18Speaker 23

  I mean, like I said, I don't want here.

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• 1:58:31Speaker 07

  Okay, so Rob, you can pause it. So he's allegedly, he's confronting him because he was on Grindr and trying to holler at somebody he thought was 14 and 15. These demons, I know Jake is listening, these demons are so, they're out there, guys, and it's more, it's happening more than often, Pat, and this is, it, man, it just drives me crazy. They're everywhere. And I look, it could be priests, it could be your neighbor, it could be a coach, they're out there, and the fact that this, the other guy, the main story, he's already convicted, how the hell is he adopting a child? What are we even talking about? Tom?

• 1:59:07Tom Ellsworth?

  So there's two things here, I, three things here. The first thing is, I don't necess, you know, you can feel very strongly, as I do, about what it takes to raise kids, and the role of a natural mother, a natural father, in raising those kids, and I feel very strongly about it. I also recognize that the law, under John Roberts' decisions, that same-sex people can get married, and under the law, same-sex people can adopt. However, when anyone is adopting, anyone, they don't have to be same-sex to be a predator, they don't have to be same-sex to be a risk to children. When they're adopting, the full and complete background check has to happen, so that these things don't fall through the cracks. It says, I don't care

• 1:59:51Tom Ellsworth?

  whether it's a gay couple, or a heterosexual couple, if that, one of those, in those relationships, is a predator with a record, that had to resign from a workplace, that's not like a minor offense that's trapped in a clerical error. This guy had a very real thing, and resigned as a teacher, did he not?

• 2:00:10Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 2:00:11Tom Ellsworth?

  So, I feel very, very strongly about that. The next, the third point I feel strongly about is, this is why you have to watch what your kids are watching. This is why the parents everywhere need to be vigilant. There are things happening online. You have to be so vigilant. This is why 13-year-olds, 14-year-olds shouldn't have phones. One of my daughters had a phone, she took it to swim, brought it back, puts it in the kitchen, that's it. It's done. I gave a little bit too much permission, and I reeled it back. I read a great book about things, I reeled it back, and I said, you know what, you're right. It says, her older sister didn't have any Instagram until she was a senior, and was a senior group from school, and it was yearbook photos circulated, and I monitored it.

• 2:00:57Tom Ellsworth?

  That's so dangerous. So, point one, you know, it is legal for people to get married. It's legal for people to adopt. Point two, background checks have to be better. Tom, let me ask you. This nation has to stand up for it. And then, point three, I'm with, I'm with Vinny on point three. These kids are getting exploited and the first line of defense needs to be their own parents.

• 2:01:17Speaker 07

  Dude, well, here's my question, Tom, and I, I, I respect everything that you're saying, especially with, you know, the, the, the, the parents and being accountable. But, but can we be honest with each other, Pat, Tom, Adam? You think it's okay? Honestly, genuinely, a, a gay male couple to adopt a male boy that's not, like, you're, this is a strange, this is not blood and you're seeing his penis in your face and he's gonna get older, that's gonna be a naked stranger in your house. That's a naked kid in your house, that you're gonna be, I, I just, I'm very uncomfortable with that. I'm very uncomfortable with that.

• 2:01:50Tom Ellsworth?

  It's legal for them to do it in America, but I personally disagree with it.

• 2:01:54Speaker 07

  It's legal to do a lot of stuff in this country.

• 2:01:55Tom Ellsworth?

  So I'll tell you, I disagree with it. I disagree with it on faith grounds. I disagree with it because I think mothers and fathers have critical roles to raising kids. But I'm recognizing where the laws stand.

• 2:02:07Speaker 07

  I get the law.

• 2:02:07Tom Ellsworth?

  But also saying, I disagree.

• 2:02:09Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah. Yeah, I, I think gay couples should be able to get married. I think gay couples should be able to adopt, and I totally understand.

• 2:02:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Legally, they are. What should?

• 2:02:19Adam Sosnick?

  Yes. And I totally understand why people have a, a objection to that. I totally get it. By the way, speaking of adopting kids, do you know what states allow gay couples to adopt kids? All 50 states federally. Now, there's different hurdles in different states. Now, I personally have friends, a lesbian couple that adopted kids, a boy and a girl, and a gay couple that adopted boys. Dave Rubin, who we know, and his husband Dave, great parents. I'm not worried about them. Who I am worried about are child sex offenders, child molesters, predators getting access to these kids. How the hell does a sex predator fall through the cracks? What cracks? There should be so many background checks.

• 2:03:04Adam Sosnick?

  If you're a child predator to adopting kid, what, hey, Jeffrey Epstein and his girlfriend wanna adopt a couple of young girls? Nobody! We need some serious background checks here. So I'm not, I'm not against normal people who happen to have a different lifestyle or sexual orientation raising kids. What we need are people raising good kids. What we need is to be able to protect our kids. Cause by the way, flip it, ready? There's a lot of straight couples who are shitty parents and raise shitty ass kids. So just because you're gay or straight or lesbian does not mean that you're gonna raise a good kid or a bad kid. We're probably gonna go over this story about this normal woman who was a normal lady.

• 2:03:49Adam Sosnick?

  She was a mom, she has a son, and her son turns out to be an absolute psychopath killer, and she enabled him. How does that work?

• 2:03:56Speaker 07

  I just have a problem with-

• 2:03:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just not mix the stories.

• 2:03:58Adam Sosnick?

  No, but we're talking about parents.

• 2:04:00Speaker 07

  I just, I just, Adam, and I love, and I respect everything that you're saying. I just, I'm uncomfortable with any male-

• 2:04:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you run a poll on that?

• 2:04:07Speaker 07

  -gay couple having a naked kid with a penis in front of their face. That's a child that's not gonna be able to report anything or say anything. I, I'm very uncomfortable with it. Who knows what is going on? Like, you know what I mean? You're a gay couple, like, what do you, I, I don't know, man.

• 2:04:22Adam Sosnick?

  I get your concerns.

• 2:04:24Speaker 07

  It's very awkward.

• 2:04:25Adam Sosnick?

  This is, this is an awkward conversation, but we're having it.

• 2:04:27Speaker 07

  Awkward situation.

• 2:04:28Adam Sosnick?

  But, but does that, like, how, how would you? So let's say a straight couple, like a man and a woman, adopt a little girl. So that little girl is still gonna be around a man that likes women. How do you deal with that?

• 2:04:41Speaker 07

  Adam, that's a whole different situation than a gay couple.

• 2:04:44Adam Sosnick?

  You're saying attraction will lead to you doing something weird to a child.

• 2:04:48Speaker 07

  I'm talking about unnatural-

• 2:04:50Patrick Bet-David?

  If you, by the way, if you ran a country from start, okay? Not, it's a law now. If you ran a country from start, would you be okay with gay men adopting kids?

• 2:05:04Adam Sosnick?

  It wouldn't be my first order of business.

• 2:05:06Speaker 07

  That's, that's the question.

• 2:05:10Adam Sosnick?

  Down the list, I don't want any trans weird.

• 2:05:14Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but would you be comfortable with it?

• 2:05:15Adam Sosnick?

  Stuff going on. I would be mostly comfortable with it.

• 2:05:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Mostly comfortable?

• 2:05:20Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I'm not entirely comfortable.

• 2:05:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you not?

• 2:05:21Adam Sosnick?

  I'm straight, I'm not gay.

• 2:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you not?

• 2:05:23Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know what it's like.

• 2:05:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, why are you not entirely comfortable with it?

• 2:05:25Adam Sosnick?

  Because Vinny does have some valid concerns. It's not a blanket statement.

• 2:05:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so, you know, this is a, this is a very sensitive topic for a lot of people because we have friends in this space that, you know, we, I don't know if we call friends, but I would tell you, we have.

• 2:05:40Adam Sosnick?

  Allies.

• 2:05:41Patrick Bet-David?

  People who are in this space, and I had a very great conversation about this with Jillian at dinner one night. To me, it's not gay lesbian couples. We had a pastor at a school, at a church we used to go to, Tom, where he would get up and he was raised by a lesbian couple. He was raised by, you know who I'm talking about?

• 2:06:00Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 2:06:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And he would openly talk about it. He talked about it in his book. It's not like he's hiding it, he's not embarrassed about it. He actually wrote a book and talked about it. This is a pastor at a church that we used to go to.

• 2:06:12Patrick Bet-David?

  But, you know, a lesbian couple is not interested in anything a man has.

• 2:06:19Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:20Patrick Bet-David?

  A gay couple is interested in what you have. Sexually, they're attracted to another male. When you look at stats, you said every single 50 state, Mississippi just allowed it to be legal just nine years ago, 2016. It was the last state. It was historically the toughest one to go through.

• 2:06:36Adam Sosnick?

  Well, that's, I think 2015 is when Obama legalized gay marriage anyway.

• 2:06:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, right, so after that, it changed the game with everything that's going on. Actual adopting gay couples' kids is a new thing. It's not a 100-year-old thing. It's a brand-new thing.

• 2:06:50Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, I agree.

• 2:06:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So, here's the point.

• 2:06:51Adam Sosnick?

  So is gay marriage.

• 2:06:52Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but, but the point I'm trying to make to you is, we don't even have, like, I remember when they started doing, uh, uh, uh, books on steroids. When steroids first came out, everybody was like, "Wow, steroids, they're not bad for you, they're this, they're that." And I'm like, "Ah!" You know? Yeah, your testosterone level being a certain level, TRT, testosterone replacement therapy, it could be good for men because you know if your testosterone is lower, you feel insecure, you're not a good husband because you can't perform and you don't feel good about yourself. Maybe it's better for you to raise your, okay. Then we got a little bit smarter with testosterone and steroids. But then we learned a lot of people that also overdid it and in bodybuilding, every year people would die. And I would get text messages for all the Mr. Olympia people, people die, right?

• 2:07:33Patrick Bet-David?

  It's such a new thing that we don't yet have enough data to sit there and say this is good or bad. You're right. So to me, a part of it, um, I'm not comfortable with because it's all about odds. It's all about odds. If I, I'm a married man. If I lived in a house with 30 bombshell models and it was a test, these girls are gonna pay, wear two-piece swimsuits all day, every day. You're gonna have breakfast, lunch, and dinner with them and you're living in this 20-bedroom mansion with 20 models. How many days could you last? I'm a man, very comfortable saying it. I'm not taking up that challenge. I will sign up for this job. I know you would. What have I gotta do? I'm telling you.

• 2:08:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I am here for duty, sir. Yeah. And it's my duty to please that booty. And for you, it would be easy. Yeah. But for me to think, oh, I am so, you know, frickin' strong as a Christian man. Are you out of your frickin' mind? As a Christian man, I volunteer. Yeah, yeah. So, but, but you have to understand yourself. Like when I travel, I like to travel with a crew. Yeah. You know, my, my neck goes the same places. We have a guy, I won't say his name because I don't want to put him on blast, he knows who he is. This guy could spot a girl. His radar, you understand what I'm saying? I'm good. He's really good. No, no, no. Vinny, you're amateur compared to him. Well, Vinny's radar is off the chart.

• 2:09:00Patrick Bet-David?

  His radar, to find anything voluptuous, round, anything, right? He will go into a room. And I just, all I do is I just look at his eyes and I'm like, what's he looking at? Oh shoot, by the way, you got it good as well.

• 2:09:15Speaker 07

  I'm good.

• 2:09:16Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you're good. No, bro, you're not tier one, you're tier three. He's tier one.

• 2:09:21Speaker 07

  I'm blind. Can I tell you really fast about like, me and this guy Adam are having a moment. Like, we're having like a, I have, somebody's going out with my family and we're like, in a kind of a-

• 2:09:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You remember this?

• 2:09:31Speaker 07

  Listen, and we're talking and like, we had a moment like this and we're looking at each other and he's like, "Yeah, man, it's, uh, I'm with you, but it just, really quick, a girl just walked in." She's ridiculous. I go, "Dude, my cousin's not doing well." He's like, "Look over there," and it was a ten.

• 2:09:47Patrick Bet-David?

  He is that good.

• 2:09:47Speaker 07

  He is ridiculous.

• 2:09:48Patrick Bet-David?

  But going back to the story, to me, to me, it's, I just don't want to put men in a position who like other men to do something stupid.

• 2:09:56Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:09:57Patrick Bet-David?

  That, especially with kids. So, because if you want a dude with another man, bro, you're an adult-

• 2:10:02Speaker 07

  Congrats.

• 2:10:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't care. I've been to hundreds of clubs in my life, the best clubs I went to were gay clubs. It's not even close.

• 2:10:10Speaker 07

  Adam loves those.

• 2:10:11Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but, but I'm telling you, you know what made gay clubs the best? Girls wetter could not have anyone flirt with them.

• 2:10:17Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 2:10:18Patrick Bet-David?

  And it was, by eleven o'clock, twelve o'clock, they're like, "Listen, man, I mean, I can only do gay men for so long. I want a straight guy."

• 2:10:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:10:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Like, "Right here, buddy, we're in town." It's called the Blue Ocean Soldiers in Uniform. It was the ultimate Blue Ocean strategy, like we're talking about.

• 2:10:34Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, I want to see how comfortable you are. I want a real life example.

• 2:10:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Here we go.

• 2:10:37Adam Sosnick?

  Let's say Vinny and I, you know, do a Chuck and Larry type thing.

• 2:10:41Speaker 07

  Got married.

• 2:10:41Adam Sosnick?

  We get married and we want a kid.

• 2:10:43Speaker 07

  For tax purposes, tax purposes.

• 2:10:43Adam Sosnick?

  What are you comfortable with Vinny and Adam adopting?

• 2:10:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing.

• 2:10:49Speaker 07

  Nothing.

• 2:10:49Adam Sosnick?

  Zero.

• 2:10:50Patrick Bet-David?

  No, nothing.

• 2:10:50Adam Sosnick?

  We cannot adopt a boy?

• 2:10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing.

• 2:10:52Adam Sosnick?

  We cannot adopt a girl?

• 2:10:53Patrick Bet-David?

  No, because men are different. Men are very different than women. No, no, men are very di- let me tell you-

• 2:10:59Adam Sosnick?

  So Vinny and I cannot adopt?

• 2:11:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Bro, when we stay at a house together, Tom knows this, do you know how overprotective I am of his girls? Of my boys? I don't like anybody being on the second floor. I got a very basic rule. And, uh, uh, we're living in a big house, so unfortunately, sometimes you can lose people because the house is not like a small house, it's like, oh, you know, you gotta go walk around to find someone.

• 2:11:19Adam Sosnick?

  Like the haunted house with the pink room.

• 2:11:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I am not okay with kids being on the second floor without me being on the second floor or apparently being present. Because why? I don't think my kids are bad kids. I don't think anybody's kids. But I know it's a ma- you're a man, you're a boy.

• 2:11:34Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:11:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Boys are wired in a very different way.

• 2:11:37Adam Sosnick?

  Follow-up question. How comfortable are you with two women adopting?

• 2:11:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm more comfortable.

• 2:11:42Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. So then here's the question. You've seen the stats.

• 2:11:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:11:46Adam Sosnick?

  About a lack of a father in the home.

• 2:11:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:11:49Adam Sosnick?

  So now you have double woman.

• 2:11:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:11:51Adam Sosnick?

  And no father in the home. How will those kids turn out? Because here's my, here's my thoughts.

• 2:11:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you asking a question?

• 2:11:58Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 2:11:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me make the statement.

• 2:12:00Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 2:12:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. It's better than a foster home.

• 2:12:03Adam Sosnick?

  What is?

• 2:12:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Two mothers raising a boy is better than what happens at foster home.

• 2:12:08Adam Sosnick?

  Walk me through the hierarchy of what you think is the most beneficial for a child's outcome.

• 2:12:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Foster some stuff.

• 2:12:14Adam Sosnick?

  Beneficial, number one is a father and a mother, I assume, right?

• 2:12:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:17Adam Sosnick?

  For sure.

• 2:12:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:18Adam Sosnick?

  Walk me through that. So then, then it's what? Single mother? Then it's a lesbian couple?

• 2:12:24Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no. I'm gonna go mother. No, no, I'll give it to you clearly. Mom and dad, married, raising kids.

• 2:12:30Adam Sosnick?

  Totally understand. Nuclear family.

• 2:12:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Nuclear family. Number two is mother with a stepdad that's a good dad raising kids. A lot of kids, you see these videos, the dad was a deadbeat dad, a good dad comes in and later on the kid changes the jersey on the football team. I'm playing with my stepdad's name because my dad wasn't in the picture.

• 2:12:47Adam Sosnick?

  Probably that.

• 2:12:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes. A man that wants to be a great father, a woman could marry a scumbag and she goes and marries somebody else. That's number two. Number three, a father raising kids without the mother.

• 2:12:57Adam Sosnick?

  Got it.

• 2:12:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Number four, a mother raising kids, single. Then after that, to me, nothing.

• 2:13:06Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it.

• 2:13:07Adam Sosnick?

  So lesbians not able to adopt?

• 2:13:08Patrick Bet-David?

  If I have to choose, and this is the conversation I have with Jillian, because it's different with boys. When it's in that setting, then, boys, with two men, it's a very, it's a very different conversation.

• 2:13:20Adam Sosnick?

  So then foster home?

• 2:13:22Speaker 07

  No.

• 2:13:23Adam Sosnick?

  Where does that fall in this?

• 2:13:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Foster homes get nasty. But to me, it doesn't go back to two men.

• 2:13:30Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:13:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And to me, I will never be comfortable with this, ever. Because I've been a man for 46 years. And by the way, do you know how controversial of a position this is to take in our community, for me to take?

• 2:13:44Adam Sosnick?

  I totally understand. Are you comfortable with two men adopting a baby girl?

• 2:13:48Patrick Bet-David?

  No, not at all.

• 2:13:49Adam Sosnick?

  Not even a girl?

• 2:13:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, not at all.

• 2:13:50Adam Sosnick?

  Why?

• 2:13:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing. If you've chosen to be a gay couple, go enjoy yourselves. I don't want no kids to be in that environment.

• 2:13:57Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 2:13:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not.

• 2:13:59Adam Sosnick?

  But you're comfortable with a lesbian couple?

• 2:14:00Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, for me, it's black and white. It's, there is no gray area for me here.

• 2:14:05Adam Sosnick?

  Hmm.

• 2:14:06Patrick Bet-David?

  With a gay couple, you want to be together? Go handle your business. Keep it to yourself. I have no hard feelings over it. When it comes to kids, I am naturally a protective person when it comes down to stories.

• 2:14:18Adam Sosnick?

  Are you comfortable with gay marriage and not adopting? Just gay marriage alone?

• 2:14:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, am I comfortable with gay marriage? I'm not. I'm with them being together, but if you want to put the tax benefits, there has to be a certain way to say, for tax purposes, yes, but I'm not for that either. So that, that's a, that's Obama law, but it's a law today. And it is what it is. But for me, I'm not, my job isn't to protect gay couples. My job as a man is to protect kids. If I see outside, something happens to a kid, my natural reaction kicks in within seconds. I can't help myself. I'm at a ice cream place the other day and this mother is with her son and the son says, what did he say to her? I said this the other day.

• 2:15:01Adam Sosnick?

  Was he kicking something or being a-

• 2:15:02Patrick Bet-David?

  He's like, I'm not gonna get your ice cream because the way you behaved earlier. You're such a dumbass.

• 2:15:08Adam Sosnick?

  What?

• 2:15:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You're a dumbass. And, and I, by the way, Senna and Dylan look at me.

• 2:15:14Adam Sosnick?

  Oh my-

• 2:15:15Patrick Bet-David?

  They look at me like, what's going on? By the way, he's doing it in front of us. He's probably Tico's age.

• 2:15:20Adam Sosnick?

  Oh man.

• 2:15:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Mom, you're such a dumbass. There's no father in the picture. I wanted to smack him upside his head.

• 2:15:26Adam Sosnick?

  We talked about wanting to hit kids, I get it.

• 2:15:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't do that. No, I can't do that, but that, that's America for you. So to me, you know, the, the, the level of respect on some of this behavior, and I'm, I'm gonna lose, uh, you know, some, some, people that are gonna, I can't believe you're this, you're so out of touch. Listen, values, principles, you know, everybody has their own story. I'm a black and white in this area.

• 2:15:46Adam Sosnick?

  I think you're not gonna make, uh, many new friends from saying this, meaning there's some people that are upset, but I respect the hell out of, that's how you feel.

• 2:15:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not, I, I guarantee you, the same people that may not happy with the position I'm taking, they will respect the fact that I don't fear walking on eggshells to not tell you on what I believe in this position.

• 2:16:03Adam Sosnick?

  Respect.

• 2:16:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm very comfortable with that. This is not an area that you can change my mind on. It's black and white for me. All right. So let's go to the, what time we got, Rob? 11:19? Can we do one more? Is there a story we haven't hit that we should hit? Is there a story? I feel like we hit all the main stories that we wanted, Rob. Did I miss anything? Oh Tucker Carlson, okay. What, so this is, this is what, this is?

• 2:16:25Speaker 10

  This is Tucker with Candace Owens where they talk about Tucker finding out that his father was part of the CIA.

• 2:16:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, okay, go for it, play this clip.

• 2:16:35Speaker 14

  Sorry, I have it on dumb.

• 2:16:36Speaker 07

  That's my boy, Rob, that's how we roll.

• 2:16:38Patrick Bet-David?

  We can do that, but Rob just.

• 2:16:40Speaker 14

  The only reason I know who he is is because someone sent me a video a few years ago of him attacking me and I was like, hmm, so I'm looking at this. And I'm like, well, first of all, this kid's really talented, like legit, and I can assess that just having done the job for so long. So it's like, wow, lots of talent, native talent. And he's attacking my dad as a CIA, his dad's in the CIA or whatever. And I'm like, well, that's no untrue. And my father dies and I learn, actually, yeah, you know, did, was involved in that world. Um, I was shocked, completely shocked by it. So no one has to believe me, but that's just a fact.

• 2:17:16Speaker 13

  Right.

• 2:17:17Speaker 14

  This was in March of this year. And I'm like, well, why would, how the hell would this child from Chicago? And my dad was 84 when he passed. Like, who's this guy know my dad is? And like, he's in an intelligence world. How would he know that?

• 2:17:31Speaker 13

  Wait, so that was his critique of you? Cause I didn't see it.

• 2:17:33Speaker 14

  Yeah, someone just sent me this video and was like, you can't believe anything Carlson says because his father was in the CIA and he's a CIA, working up at the CIA. Well, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious and I'm pretty, I mean, I actually feel emotional in my anger towards CIA. Um, and I think of that, that comes out on the air quite regularly.

• 2:17:51Speaker 13

  Right.

• 2:17:52Speaker 14

  And so the idea that I'm working for the CIA, uh, is like deranged.

• 2:17:57Speaker 13

  Well, if it helps, he said I was, I'm funded by Russia. Now, since the interview, he then did a thing and said I was funded by Russia.

• 2:18:01Speaker 14

  But you would be a lot more likely to take Russian money than I would be to work for the CIA. You would never take Russian money and you're not Russian.

• 2:18:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Did he just say what I think? Go back five seconds.

• 2:18:13Speaker 14

  I mean, that's like CIA, but you would never take Russian money.

• 2:18:15Speaker 07

  Go back no more, Rob.

• 2:18:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back 10 seconds, Rob.

• 2:18:17Speaker 14

  But a lot more likely to take Russian money than I would be to work for the CIA. You would never take Russian money.

• 2:18:24Speaker 07

  What you're saying, you'd be you over me.

• 2:18:26Speaker 14

  But I mean, I really hate the CIA. And I mean, I would, I mean, that's like very offensive to me. So why would you?

• 2:18:32Speaker 13

  It's like personal for you.

• 2:18:33Speaker 14

  Well, a little bit.

• 2:18:33Speaker 13

  Yeah.

• 2:18:34Speaker 14

  And anyway, like, who is this kid exactly?

• 2:18:36Speaker 13

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:18:37Speaker 14

  And maybe it's just an accident that the guy goes after exclusively goes after people who are in the same.

• 2:18:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you can pause it at that point. So, so this is what? This is the, the, and what is this rap?

• 2:18:51Speaker 10

  So this is Tucker Carlson, even though the whole basis of this conversation is that Nick Fuentes was criticizing Tucker Carlson for his father's ties to the CIA. In that clip, Tucker Carlson says he found out that his father was in the CIA when his father died in March of this year. But here's a clip from the Sean Ryan Show in 2024, where Tucker talks about his father being part of the CIA. So there's no way that he found out in June of 2024, made those comments in June of 2024, but then just found out in March.

• 2:19:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me see this.

• 2:19:18Speaker 14

  And so when I applied to CIA, and I've taken a lot of crap, including from Putin, like, oh, you're from a CIA family. Well, yeah, obviously, my father worked in conjunction with CIA. I mean, that's what that is.

• 2:19:29Speaker 10

  Wow.

• 2:19:30Speaker 14

  And I tried to join the CIA, but I'm not being false about it. Native talent.

• 2:19:35Speaker 10

  And then here's a clip of Nick Fuentes talking about Tucker Carlson after that clip went public.

• 2:19:41Speaker 24

  I'm being accused of being the CIA by Peter Thiel's best boys? By Tucker Carlson with his daddy? Tucker Carlson's, and you know what? Here's the other thing. Tucker Carlson said, "I'm a weird gay kid in the basement." Yeah, and I'm from Chicago. You're right. Well, okay, you're not all right about all of that. But I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Tucker Carlson says, "I have so many trust funds, I never have to work." Tucker went to a $45,000 per year private high school, then a $45,000 per year selective Ivy League school in New England. Tucker Carlson's daddy was a Reagan appointee.

• 2:20:27Speaker 24

  And then, after years of bragging about being an elite, bragging about being so out of touch and so rich, now he's gonna be the spokesperson for all the white people. Now he's gonna roll up his sleeves. "I just like to hunt fish in my log cabin. I care about Klarna and credit card debt."

• 2:20:48Speaker 24

  But then when it comes to me, I'm one of the real disaffected white people. You want to talk about me and them? I am them. He says Nick Fuentes is leading all of the disaffected young white men. I am a disaffected white, young white man. I was a precocious, intelligent, young white college student who went to Boston University, who was pro-Trump and red-pilled by Trump and animated by Trump's message of "America first." And I asked questions about Israel, and I was punished for it. I did it years before Tucker Carlson started talking about Israel, last year. And I sacrificed, and I was targeted by the ADL, by the SPLC, by the federal government,

• 2:21:31Speaker 24

  by the conservative movement that both Candace and Tucker were a part of. Candace and Tucker had nothing to say about Israel until it became unavoidable last year. Not popular, but unavoidable. And now they want to gatekeep me out and do this personality attack and say I'm a bitter loser in my basement from Chicago.

• 2:21:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you can pause this. So what do you know about this? And then, by the way, is this in conjunction with the Tucker, with the Laura Loomer stuff that you're talking about?

• 2:22:00Speaker 24

  I did not see the Laura Loomer stuff. Hang on one second.

• 2:22:03Speaker 10

  Because Laura Loomer, Pat, was kind of going after...

• 2:22:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What was, who sent that thing in the group text with Laura Loomer and Tucker Carlson?

• 2:22:10Speaker 10

  Humberto, I think.

• 2:22:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Yeah, so what, what, so what do you see wrong with this here? So, okay, so for me, is it tough for Tucker Carlson to not want to say that his dad was CIA? Yeah, if, if, if my dad was CIA, would I publicly want to tell people that is CIA? I don't know, you'd, your loyalty would probably be to not want to tell people your dad's CIA. If your dad was in CIA and you choose to become a CIA agent, it's the ultimate level of respect for your father. That doesn't mean the position that him now saying that "I never knew I was until my father passed away," and he said that to Sean Ryan last year, okay, fine, for that to happen, and I get that part. But what else is the...

• 2:22:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Vinny, how are you processing this year when you're hearing Tucker and Nick Fuentes?

• 2:23:00Speaker 07

  I mean, listen, say, people can say whatever they want. He's openly racist. He does whatever. You have to give credit where credit due. Nick Fuentes is really good at what he does. He's very, very good at articulating. He brings receipts. Yeah, he says, he has said some outlandish stuff. He said, like, remember when you said that he says the N-word? And he even said during that show, he was like, Patrick Bet-David said he won't let me have it on and everything like that. And regard to-

• 2:23:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He's so capable if he drops those words.

• 2:23:26Speaker 07

  A hundred percent.

• 2:23:27Patrick Bet-David?

  He's gonna get a bigger, wider audience.

• 2:23:28Speaker 07

  Which I think, Pat, to be honest with you, I think he's slow.

• 2:23:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he's slow.

• 2:23:31Speaker 07

  I haven't heard it out of him. And by the way, and he said it respectfully to you. When it comes to all these other people, he has all these opinions and it's, it's a war. When it comes to you and your name and what you're doing, and he knows, he knows this podcast, it's a lot of respect and he gives respect where respect is due. In regard to Tucker, I mean, you have the receipts right there. Rob just showed us that with Candace, he said he had no idea, zero idea that his dad was a part of the CIA or involved with the CIA. And then Rob gets a clip from, what was it, June 2024, where he says he knows his dad was a part of the CIA. So, from what I just saw, he got caught lying. He's blatantly lying about it. And it's like, listen, say what you want.

• 2:24:14Speaker 07

  And I think you made this point yesterday. You don't know about, who's this kid, this young kid from Chicago and all this stuff? He's done his research. Tucker knows exactly who he is. He knows exactly who this kid from Chicago is. And he does, like I said, he's made a point. Tucker and Candace, Candace is a little bit later than him, but Nick has been having this stance on all, all his positions, haven't changed, like, haven't changed. His Trump position has changed because Trump has changed some of his promises in Nick's eyes. But he has been this guy from the beginning, from a very young age. He hasn't budged. And, you know, the proof is in the pudding. We just saw what Tucker did and he's, and he's right. He's right.

• 2:24:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom?

• 2:24:56Tom Ellsworth?

  So, I am trying to get my head around all, all of this. It's pretty inescapable where you have-

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• 2:26:01Tom Ellsworth?

  One video a year before his father dies, he's talking about CIA. And then he's talking to Candace, saying, "I didn't know until after." You know, both of those videos are validated. So that's like, okay, when did you know? You know, you're kind of caught here. And then I see Nick Fuentes, who I think is one of the most gifted debaters. Never mind his tone of voice. I don't mind his tone of voice. He's just, he's passionate, just like I don't mind you, Angry Patriot tone of voice. The, and I see him, gifted debater, driving it and everything. And there is really a, you know, a collision coming here. And so my question really is, you know, with Tucker, with respect, we've met him and everything. I got respect for the man.

• 2:26:45Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, I watched him for a long time before I ever met him live. It's like, there's some reality here that, you know, just trying to get my head around. And, but with Nick, you know, I see that. And then Laura Loomer, you know, we know Laura. You know, I have a positive, you know, impression of her from what I've seen when she's been here. And she seems to come up with receipts. And a lot of people say, "Oh, she's bombastic. She's just throwing fireballs." I don't know. She seems to show up with receipts from time to time, which I think is, you know, they, you know, not to channel Al Gore, but some of those receipts Laura Loomer is throwing are like inconvenient truths that people don't want to deal with.

• 2:27:27Tom Ellsworth?

  And I, this, this whole thing is, it's like a pot of chili. I'm waiting to see what. flavor exactly comes out of this, but it's a lot of stuff that are troubling.

• 2:27:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Last story here before we wrap up.

• 2:27:40Tom Ellsworth?

  I'd like more receipts.

• 2:27:41Adam Sosnick?

  Yep. So regarding Tucker and Nick Fuentes and Candace and that crew, you talked about a collision course. There will be a collision course because I called this yesterday. I think this is duck take diplomacy. These people are not all on the same page. And once you start pulling this thread, this whole thing is going to fall apart. And the one common theme with all these people is that they just hate Israel. That's it. So why is Cenk Uygur, who's a progressive atheist, and Candace Owens, who's a Catholic Christian nationalist, and Nick Fuentes, who's a Catholic

• 2:28:19Adam Sosnick?

  theocratic, quote unquote racist, anti Semite, Tucker, who's just asking questions, Dan Bilzerian, who's this hedonist who enjoys harems, what do they have in common? Not a lot. It's just the fact that they bonded together over their dislike or hate of Israel. So the biggest thing here with Tucker is that he weaponizes asking questions. I'm just, I'm just asking questions. I don't know. Is Netanyahu Hitler? It's just me asking questions. I don't know. Was my dad, who was the CIA? I don't know. You know exactly what you're doing, Tucker, when you, when you ask these questions and you weaponize your opinion and you put it together in a nice little

• 2:29:04Adam Sosnick?

  bow tie, like you used to wear, for the general public to basically absorb and be like, maybe this journalist is just asking questions. No, you're presenting your opinion in the form of a question. I think this whole crew, Nick Fuentes, Tucker, you're already seeing the rumblings. They're going to fight and it's going to get ugly. Nick Fuentes does not like Candace because she's black. Candace does not like Tucker because he's establishment. All these people don't like Dan Bilzerian. I don't think so.

• 2:29:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Well Candace says nothing but good things about Tucker.

• 2:29:39Adam Sosnick?

  It'll fall apart.

• 2:29:40Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't, I think the part about Fuentes, I don't know. Again, like I said, I don't know a lot about him. All I know is when I hear him say his messaging, he's consistent with what he's saying. I have never watched.

• 2:29:53Adam Sosnick?

  None of these people are idiots. They're all smart, but when you're bonded by hate, it's going to fall apart and it's gonna get.

• 2:30:00Speaker 07

  Can I say one thing, Pat? Adam, do you think, and I'm being, I'm being genuine. Do you think it's hate? I think there's different levels, like Dan Bilzerian is in full hate, anger, Jewish people. Like he's there. But when it comes to Tucker and I, I think, Adam, it comes to like being a, like be, having accountability and saying like, hey, listen, like October 7th, all that, okay, whatever, you can talk about all that stuff. But it's what's happening, like what, look what's happening right now. And if they're bringing it up and we can't at least acknowledge some of the problems. And you, you say, Adam, I don't, I don't expect all them to be 100% on the same page. Adam, everybody's gonna have different opinions. They're completely different people, completely different.

• 2:30:41Speaker 07

  But to say that they just hate Israel, I, I, that's a, that's a pretty out there statement. Just say hate. If they have some distaste and they have some problems.

• 2:30:49Adam Sosnick?

  We can put together a highlight reel of the, the blood libel that they've said. So Tucker Carlson, let's stay there for a second. Is his father part of the CIA? And did he know it or not? And when did he know it? Based on this, it looks like he's lying to Candace Owens' face. Yes or no?

• 2:31:05Speaker 07

  I think so.

• 2:31:06Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:31:07Speaker 07

  From what we just saw, from what, from like, about this, not like he worked for them or around them.

• 2:31:13Adam Sosnick?

  Dick Carlson, really? You're telling me this guy wasn't CIA? He just looks like one. Number two, I could show you tapes, so many of them. Candace Owens praising Israel, praising what Bibi Netanyahu has done, praising the Jewish people, saying that we have to stop this Muslim aggression. Not 20 years ago, not 10 years ago. Five years ago, four years ago, three years ago, eight years ago.

• 2:31:37Speaker 07

  What happened? What do you think happened?

• 2:31:38Adam Sosnick?

  Something happened. I don't know. I don't know what happened.

• 2:31:42Speaker 07

  If you had to guess.

• 2:31:42Adam Sosnick?

  But if I could roll the tape.

• 2:31:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:31:44Adam Sosnick?

  So you know why I respect Nick Fuentes?

• 2:31:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:31:46Adam Sosnick?

  I don't see one video of him praising Israel, the Jews. Everything's not liking him and hating him. Stick to your position. Why is Candace Owens flipped so dramatically? By the way, same thing with Tucker. Why is he flipped so dr- what has happened?

• 2:32:00Speaker 07

  Well, did you hear- you heard- what's happened? Here's my question to you. What do you honestly think it is? What do you think? Because Candace is smart as hell. Tucker, these people are smart as hell.

• 2:32:10Adam Sosnick?

  I think- what happened? If I could give you a quick- if I can give you a quick summary and I'll be super quick.

• 2:32:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:32:16Adam Sosnick?

  Tucker is the biggest faker out there. Because he's the elitist masquerading as a populist. Don't believe me? Roll the tape with what Nick Fuentes says. He says he's this elitist who's basically all like about hunting and whiskey. Dude, you're the only person in the history of the world that's had their own show on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. Stop pretending you're not establishment. You've helped build the establishment, Tucker Carlson. Candace, I don't know what happened with Candace. She worked for Prager University and she worked for Charlie Kirk with Turning Point. And all of a sudden, she's the biggest anti-Israel person out there? I don't know what happened. If I would speculate, it's probably something to do with her husband, who's Catholic,

• 2:33:01Adam Sosnick?

  and there's a form of Catholicism that absolutely hates Israel and the Jews. Don't believe me? Ask her husband, I think his name is George.

• 2:33:09Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:33:09Adam Sosnick?

  His father, their relationship right there. Nick Fuentes, as disgusting as some of his takes are, he's being real. And some people appreciate being real over being fake like Tucker.

• 2:33:20Speaker 07

  But okay, but to Candace's point, do you not think maybe with Candace, besides that, that's your take about the father and the brother?

• 2:33:27Adam Sosnick?

  That's not my take.

• 2:33:28Speaker 07

  No, with George.

• 2:33:28Adam Sosnick?

  Look at the guy, please.

• 2:33:29Speaker 07

  No, no, I'm saying with George.

• 2:33:30Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not bringing opinions here. I'm bringing receipts.

• 2:33:32Speaker 07

  Well, what I'm saying is, do you think, like, the actions of the government of Israel, not Jewish people around the world, the actions of the government led by Bibi Netanyahu isn't- could be a main thing that's making Candace go, wait a minute, and shift gears and change her tune? Because that's what- Adam, I feel like a lot of people's attitudes have changed because of that, the response of October 7th.

• 2:33:56Speaker 07

  And that's what it is, bro. It's like, listen, I get it, Adam. You attack us, we're attacking you back. America, I get it, but you have to do it strategically.

• 2:34:03Adam Sosnick?

  If that's the case, all I want her to do is criticize America until the end of time. Because America has done way worse in Afghanistan, in Iraq, multiple countries around the world.

• 2:34:14Speaker 07

  You don't think she has?

• 2:34:15Adam Sosnick?

  Not like this.

• 2:34:16Speaker 07

  I guess what?

• 2:34:16Adam Sosnick?

  She's made-

• 2:34:17Speaker 07

  He's heard me, you've heard me. I left the military, one of the main reasons-

• 2:34:20Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not talking about you, he's talking about her.

• 2:34:22Speaker 07

  That's what I'm saying though. She's criticizing our government all the time.

• 2:34:25Adam Sosnick?

  One of the most disgusting things, and actually, what's crazy is, every time I've hung out with Candace, I've enjoyed my time with Candace. She's cool, she's fun, and I said this the other day, she's been infected by some sort of bug. That's what it is. I don't know what it is, I'm not speculating. I like Candace, I like Dave Smith, I like Jenk. We get along, that's what we do here, but I can absolutely disagree with some of the disgusting takes that they have. They might disagree with me, that's totally okay, but you asked a question about her, the father?

• 2:34:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:34:59Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, we can find the tweet.

• 2:35:01Speaker 07

  No, I'm saying what you said about like, what, what made her switch from praising Israel to now, I don't think it was the father. I think it was actions from the Israeli government. That's me, again, that's my opinion.

• 2:35:11Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, war is ugly.

• 2:35:13Patrick Bet-David?

  How much, how much you think is what the Ben Shapiro comments and what happened at Daily Wire? You think that's-

• 2:35:20Adam Sosnick?

  I think that's a big part of-

• 2:35:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What percentage of it you think is that? What started it?

• 2:35:23Speaker 07

  And what, here's my question, what, what was the Ben thing? Cause I remember Ben Shapiro was him standing on the table.

• 2:35:27Patrick Bet-David?

  At any event, what do you think about Candace? He made a comment and then from there-

• 2:35:30Speaker 07

  And what was, and was it because she was criticized?

• 2:35:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't even know what he said, but I do know he said something, I don't agree with what Candace said. And then she from there put Christ is king, and then, you know, the father not king.

• 2:35:38Speaker 07

  I think, but what made Ben say something is because she was saying what about what Israel was doing? I don't, I don't remember exactly what it was. I remember him standing on the table and saying, no.

• 2:35:50Adam Sosnick?

  How many kids does Candace have now? Four kids?

• 2:35:52Speaker 07

  Four? I think so.

• 2:35:54Adam Sosnick?

  And I would not talk about her kids whatsoever, but I've heard Candace Owens say-

• 2:36:02Adam Sosnick?

  On her show, listen, sometimes I, I'm pregnant, I get emotional, I get angry. If you've been pregnant, walking around pregnant every single year, for the last five years, you're gonna have a lot of emotions and a lot of anger going on in your mind. And I think there's a lot of things she says, almost like, I'm just asking questions, well, she will weaponize an opinion in the form of a question. We've seen this clip with Ben, I think it was a bad look for Ben to call out Candace before, while she was still on the Daily Wire.

• 2:36:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, but my question is, what did she say?

• 2:36:35Adam Sosnick?

  She was bare.

• 2:36:37Speaker 23

  And then the question was about Candace Owens, I think her behavior during this is disgraceful.

• 2:36:41Adam Sosnick?

  Said disgraceful? Yeah. That to me is a private conversation they should have had.

• 2:36:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, you know, listen, a lot of times when things like this has happened, this, this could have been prevented very early on by Daily Wire. It could have been prevented by Daily Wire. We're not gonna rehash that, I don't wanna bring that up, we've already had that conversation.

• 2:37:02Adam Sosnick?

  I'll make one comment about Ben. Probably one of the smartest people on the planet, not a leader. Not a leader. He's a solo guy. I don't see people say, alright, Ben's gonna lead the meeting, let's all get galvanized. Pat's a leader. I mean, we're here in Vegas, there's gonna be 10,000 people in an auditorium at a company he built. Ben is a smart, sharp, capable, solo act. Nobody's better at debating college kids, going into a crowded room and are being on a, on a show and holding his own. Nobody's better. There's a big difference, Charlie Kirk's amazing as well. There's a big difference between having an opinion and being smart and being a lawyer, being a scholar, than running a company. And he

• 2:37:46Adam Sosnick?

  should have done a better job with managing Candace Owens.

• 2:37:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, we'll see, we'll see what happens. But by the way, this isn't the first time Tucker's gone through, you know, controversy that comes with him and what happens. The reality of it is, the entire market's talking about it. And that climbs the podcast higher and higher and higher. And more people, remember, half the time when you're growing your audience, just look at our comment section. What percentage of our comment section loves us? A hundred percent? Hell, no. I'm looking at all the comments. A hundred percent of people love me, Pat. Love or hate? A hundred percent of you. Love or hate? You're watching it. The same thing goes with everybody else. Gang, uh, great podcast. I want to give a quick shout out to Aaron Mont. Happy birthday to Aaron Mont. Happy birthday, Aaron. Aaron Mont, stud of a guy.

• 2:38:33Patrick Bet-David?

  We've been having a lot of good coffee. It was just in Arkansas with them. We had a great time with them. Shout out to the crew back there. You guys running around working. Great job. Sin City in the house. Awesome job here. Ay, Vinnie, I'm Ushumu Maruch. No, Ikech. Hey, Pormili. Guys, welcome. Mumbo jumbo.

• 2:38:51Tom Ellsworth?

  And also a big happy birthday back at the ranch to Casey, the head of finance.

• 2:38:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Ah, is it? Is it his birthday today?

• 2:38:57Tom Ellsworth?

  It is.

• 2:38:57Patrick Bet-David?

  My man Casey. I love it. Okay, guys, we're gonna do this again sometime in the next three days. We'll do it and then we'll be going to, I think we'll be paying a visit to LA next couple of days. Who knows? Maybe we'll go to LA for like a couple of days. And should we give the exact restaurant we're going to at what time? No, we won't be doing that. But we will be most likely in LA in the next couple of days, visiting a few people. God bless everybody. We'll see you guys again on Thursday. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.