NFL Week 3 Picks And Preview, Falcons Whomp The Packers, Super Agent Ari Emanuel In Studio Plus Fyre Fest of The Week

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  Welcome to Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, September 25th and the Green Bay Packers are dead.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  That was bad. That was ugly.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  They stink, PFT, and it is fun to watch.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  You can hear the smile from Big Cat. It's a, they're a bad football team. That's just point blank how it is. They might have a couple of good players. They've got some talent, uh, kind of scattered around. I'm not ready to say that anything's on Jordan Love, but the rest of the team is pretty bad. Offensive line, one of the worst performances by an offensive line in totality. When you look at how many pressures they gave up, like dudes were coming in Love's face all day.

• 4:26Speaker 00

  All day.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  And they could not block up front to save their life for the running game either. The Falcons had

• 4:33Speaker 00

  They got gashed.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  Crazy stat, the Falcons 244 yards rushing from their backs. That is number one in the NFL so far this season.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Of any game.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  The Packers, 17 rushing yards from their backs. That is the last for any team in any game this season.

• 4:52Speaker 00

  Bijon was so, so good. Well, let me, actually let me, let me talk more about the Packers sucking and then we, we gotta give the Falcons flowers. Cause this is legitimately exciting for the Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Falcons fans. You had basically hell the first two weeks and now you have what looks like a real offense. But that was the, uh, so the Packers had won 13 straight home openers. 13 straight. That's a lot of years that you've got to be good to win 13 straight home opener.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  Unstoppable in homos.

• 5:21Speaker 00

  Yes. In homos, they're the best team. Uh, they, so the last time the Packers have won a game in regulation was week 14 of the 2025 season. Week 14 of the 2025 season. Uh, the last time the Packers lost by at least 20 points at home was 2017 and they are looking like a bad team. That was one of the most lopsided losses in home opener for Green Bay since Lambeau Field opened in 1957. It was an ass kicking and you're, if you look at the Packers first three weeks, the, the way they fell apart against Minnesota, like yes, they beat the Jets memes. Are you feeling a little bit more mad that you didn't win that game?

• 6:06Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. They fucking stink.

• 6:07Speaker 00

  They stink. They stink dude. They're a bad team.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  In case any of the haters are, are trying to use this to diminish the Jets, I think the Jets, they just beat them up.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Well, yeah. Isn't the stat like 0-17 when going into overtime?

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. You took them to overtime, you beat them up and then they had a short week.

• 6:25Speaker 00

  Don't you have their pick?

• 6:26Speaker 02

  After you play against the Jets, your team's going to probably lose.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  We do have their pick.

• 6:30Speaker 00

  So that's great.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  I did happen to Google, has a team ever had the first three picks tonight, but.

• 6:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. Wait, no, but they know the Jets are good. What are you doing? One of those is your own pick.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. We're going to have first, second, and 32.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. Right. There you go. But yeah, they, they don't have a first round pick. I know Michael Parsons is going to come back, but there seems to be some serious problems with the Packers team. Their offensive line is very banged up.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:53Speaker 00

  Uh, they lost their best offensive lineman for the year, but man, they're four and a half point favorites to a team. And obviously Michael Penix, the Cooper rush to Michael Penix change is, is significant because you actually had a quarterback that could throw it down the field. Uh, but still the Falcons scored three point, they hadn't been in the red zone. They had not been in the red zone through two games and they had 500 yards of offense on the Packers head in Lambeau, the home opener. It was a sweet game. It was a fun Thursday night game. We should give the, the Falcons some flowers because Michael Penix looked great, like for his first start in a long time.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  There was some rust there, but yeah, Michael, I, listen, I've been saying that I, I think I like Mike Penix. I think that he's, I think that the Falcons can win with him. I think that Stefanski is a good enough coach and I think that he's accurate enough and he's a good enough passer that they could win, they could win a good amount of football games with the rushing attack that they have. And if they have a half decent defense, I think he might be, I don't know that he's going to be the guy that like you would trade up for in the draft, like they went and, and, uh, they went and got him when they had just traded for Kirk Cousins. That's still going to be like a head scratcher, but I think he's going to be a good enough quarterback where they should win that division.

• 8:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, I wouldn't go that far. Yeah. I wouldn't go that far, but they, they have a team that is now the, you know, after the first two weeks, watching how abysmal that offense looked. Michael Penix, when I say great, he looked great for the fact that he had been out for a long time and, and was playing his first game on the road. Uh, yeah, the first interception wasn't great.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  But he'll get better.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  He, but what he does is actually let this offense like breathe because he can throw it deep. Drake London, in seven of his last eight games with Michael Penix as the quarterback, has gone over a hundred yards in seven of his last eight games. You just go down the list. It's like eight for 110, 10 for 158, nine for 118, just down. He is a true number one receiver when Michael Penix is on the field. And then what happens? You basically open it up because you have the threat of throwing it deep for Bijon to be one of the most electric backs in the NFL with the way he cuts, the way he moves. He just ripped them to shreds and that was right from the get go. I feel like he had that 60 yard run

• 9:08Speaker 00

  or whatever it was, like in the first quarter and it was just off and running. It was again, a beautiful watch, a beautiful, beautiful watch.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  The way he stops, the way he stops and starts again. We were having the debate, like who would you rather have Bijon or Gibbs as your running back? I think, I think they're both obviously awesome. I think Bijon's cuts are better. I think Gibbs is more like explosive.

• 9:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  And quick.

• 9:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. And listen, the Falcons defense played well. They've, they've got some guys out, obviously. Uh, they'll get some guys back. Like they did a great job on that side of the ball. That's a, that Falcons fans, you were in hell and you were, you were momentarily out of hell and it looks like you can now watch this season.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  You're in purgatory.

• 9:50Speaker 00

  The first two games, any Falcons fans, like I can't watch this team anymore. Totally understand. No red zone chances in eight quarters and, and to be that bad on offense. And then to have it all flipped tonight where you scored 35 in Lambeau on opening night for Lambeau, which they never lose. Again, 13 straight PFT. I don't know if I mentioned that. Packers are in trouble. It's great. I'm a little, I'm still like, there's a small part of my brain like, what happens if Mike, when Mike it comes back and Josh Jacobs comes back, but for right now, I gotta enjoy it because that was a fun watch.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  They will get healthier and I, I still think that Matt LaFleur is a great coach. I think that they'll, they'll figure something out as the season goes on, but they are, they're too banged up to be efficient. Like you, if you can't block for even half a second, you're not going to win many games and, Love made a lot of boneheaded decisions. He had those doily plays.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  He almost had the, the funniest pick six that I've ever seen.

• 10:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  When he tried to throw that one lateral that just bounced off the defender.

• 10:48Speaker 00

  Guy didn't even know it was coming to him.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Didn't know it was coming. Um, Bijon, that's his third primetime game with 200 yards from scrimmage. That, uh, takes him into the lead tied with Derrick Henry, Jerry Rice and Sean Alexander with three. Those are the only guys since the merger to have three primetime games with 200 yards from scrimmage. Now there are more primetime games, uh, right now than there were back when Jerry Rice.

• 11:12Speaker 00

  So many.

• 11:13Speaker 02

  We'll forget about that. Um, also this is the first time between Drake London and Bijon Robinson, that we've had teammates with 190 plus yards from scrimmage in a road game since 1976. They just, just carved them up.

• 11:28Speaker 00

  Carved them.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  And I do think that Drake London is, uh, I think I said last year at one point that he might be a top five receiver. I don't know if he's top, I'd say top 10.

• 11:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  I think when he's healthy and he has, um, a non Cooper Rush, Jack Strand.

• 11:41Speaker 00

  No, he's, but he's a true number one.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Yes, he's awesome.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  True number one, which is every team needs.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, he's big, he's tall, he can be a red zone threat. I still don't know where, where Pitts is at.

• 11:51Speaker 00

  They'll find him.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  But they didn't.

• 11:52Speaker 00

  He's gotta get his six touchdowns.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  They didn't need him tonight. I think it's eight. I think.

• 11:55Speaker 00

  No, no, it's a six year. He needs to get six touchdowns.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  I thought he was having eight this year.

• 12:01Speaker 00

  No, no. Yeah, he's, he goes one a year. So he's his sixth year in the league. So he'll get six. He'll find, they'll find a way to get six.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  I just think that the, uh, I don't know. I'm buying on Falcons. I, I think that it's not crazy to say that they could win that division.

• 12:15Speaker 00

  I am going to, I, I mean, the Falcons were great tonight. I, the Packers might be that bad. Like they might just be that bad. When you think about the three games they played. If, if, if Aaron Glenn had remembered how time worked.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  I mean, they, they played okay in those first three quarters against the, uh, the Vikings.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  Vikings kicked their ass. Kicked their ass. I know there were some calls that went against them.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  But I mean, there was a fourth quarter. It was like that. What, once the flood gate opened, it just hasn't stopped for the Packers.

• 12:44Speaker 00

  No, no. Uh, okay. Any other thoughts from Thursday night football? Did you guys enjoy the game?

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's better than, better than expected.

• 12:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. A lot. I mean, shout out to Falcons, by the way, for not rushing Michael Penix back and, and knowing like, hey, there's, like the, we talked about it. The Falcons have three primetime games coming up.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:04Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm okay with that now.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  I mean, it's fun.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  It makes such a big difference having somebody that can play quarterback. Everything looks different.

• 13:11Speaker 00

  Everything looks different.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Representation matters.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Lefties?

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  But he's always been.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  Wait, I thought you were.

• 13:18Speaker 00

  What was the announcement that you made?

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Uh, the haters won the battle.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  What, what was that about?

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Just the battle of the summer.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  So are you going back to writing?

• 13:27Speaker 04

  No, no, the war's not over.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  But that's just, it's like game one.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  That was game one, the haters won?

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  Was it on the road or was that a home game?

• 13:35Speaker 04

  On the road.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  So that's a big win for the haters.

• 13:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Huge win.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  But we're coming home for Locktober.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Wait.

• 13:42Speaker 00

  Oh, Locktober's happening?

• 13:43Speaker 02

  Game two's at home?

• 13:44Speaker 00

  What's happening in Locktober?

• 13:46Speaker 04

  I'm dialing it in. Performance golf.

• 13:48Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. Nice. I love that. Um, all right. Uh, MLB Cubs and White Sox both clinched within two minutes of each other, which was pretty cool. It was, uh, I think it's, I saw the stats, like only third time that both are in the, the playoffs, uh, same year. It was, it was pretty, pretty fun. PCA went 40, 40.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  That's a crazy stat.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  It's, uh, I think it's the fourth time.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  Cubs.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  But you have to count 2020.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, which we don't.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Which we don't. So it's like 1906, 2008 and 2026.

• 14:18Speaker 00

  I mean, you gotta remember the Cubs didn't go to the playoffs from 1945 to 1984.

• 14:25Speaker 00

  Which is also a crazy stat.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  I know it's not going to happen, but I, I need it to be a Chicago World Series.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  Uh, we don't, we could barely beat the Marlins when we needed to win more than one game and we only won one game. But PCA going 40, 40 was awesome. He's the best. He's the N L MVP. They took the odds off like a month ago. So that's been over for a long time, but what a season. What a stud.

• 14:46Speaker 04

  We were both there on, on a Wednesday and he did like a hesi for one of the steals. It was, it was insane. It was an O two count, like two outs, no reason not to go for it. And he like pump faked the catcher. He started running and I looked at the catcher to see like what the pitch was. It was a breaking ball and I was like, yes, he got it. And then I looked up and he was back on first.

• 15:05Speaker 00

  He, I also think the crowd almost like, like we, the crowd actually fucked it for him because the pop, when he was like starting to lean, just was such a tell for the pitcher. And then say, uh, yeah, hit, hit, hit out. I think he popped out in that, but yeah, it was, I mean, hey, he got it and it was cool. Now they gotta, now, now we gotta see what happens with the Padres and Dodgers. Max.

• 15:33Speaker 05

  What?

• 15:33Speaker 00

  I'm.

• 15:36Speaker 02

  All right. Point Max.

• 15:37Speaker 00

  Okay. I was gonna ask, how are you?

• 15:40Speaker 05

  Fucking suck.

• 15:40Speaker 00

  How are you feeling right now?

• 15:42Speaker 05

  Padres are gonna win. The Phillies are fucking terrible. They're fucking terrible.

• 15:46Speaker 00

  Do they just have to win one game?

• 15:48Speaker 05

  No, not if the Padres win.

• 15:50Speaker 00

  What are they, what's their magic? Padres two?

• 15:53Speaker 05

  It's really confusing because the Diamondbacks and the Padres play each other. So it's like, it's hard, it's hard.

• 16:01Speaker 00

  It's hard for you.

• 16:01Speaker 05

  There's, the Phillies are up two games. But.

• 16:06Speaker 00

  They're up two games on the diamond.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  Can you just look up a magic number? Isn't that?

• 16:09Speaker 05

  But it's, but it's not, it's like a magic number they, to win the game. It's because if, if the Padres lose this game.

• 16:17Speaker 00

  Phillies magic number to clinch, uh, nationally postseason berth stands at two.

• 16:21Speaker 05

  But it's one.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  I, I don't understand what's confusing.

• 16:24Speaker 00

  I get what he's saying. Because the Padres and the Diamondbacks are playing each other. So you can't go off of, it's not going to be off Padre losses.

• 16:32Speaker 05

  No, because one team losing helps the other team.

• 16:36Speaker 00

  But I think it's just two. I think it's just you win one game and the Diamondbacks lose one game and you're in.

• 16:40Speaker 05

  I need the Padres to fucking lose a game.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  So who controls their own destiny right now?

• 16:47Speaker 05

  What?

• 16:48Speaker 00

  The Phillies.

• 16:49Speaker 05

  Like the, like.

• 16:50Speaker 00

  Phillies do.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  So yeah, so yeah.

• 16:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. So what's your magic number? Win, there's, it's two.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 16:55Speaker 00

  It's a combination of Diamondbacks losses and Phillies wins.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:58Speaker 05

  If the Padres win this game, they clinch.

• 17:00Speaker 00

  Right.

• 17:02Speaker 05

  So.

• 17:02Speaker 00

  The diamond, but the Padres are still going to try to play for the home field.

• 17:07Speaker 05

  What's the home field in San Diego?

• 17:09Speaker 04

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  Hold on. I, I don't disagree with that.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Pod heads are not.

• 17:16Speaker 00

  I don't disagree with that statement, but the home field in Chicago is, we're 15 and one against every team not named the Brewers in the playoffs.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  Pissed off. I fucking hate baseball. I hate that we're even talking about.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I've seen some pretty electric home field atmospheres in San Diego.

• 17:29Speaker 04

  Don't show.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  When the Dodgers and the Padres have been playing each other in the postseason. I've seen some, some pretty awesome crowds.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  But, but let's not even entertain this because if you ask anyone in.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Not the bank.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  If you ask anyone.

• 17:40Speaker 05

  No, the bank sucks.

• 17:42Speaker 00

  But if you ask anyone on the Padres, would you rather be home or away? They're going to say home.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Obviously. I think everybody would rather, would probably say San Diego.

• 17:50Speaker 05

  I, whatever.

• 17:51Speaker 00

  It's nothing to do with the.

• 17:52Speaker 05

  Nothing that I, I'm, I'm mad at my own team and I'm.

• 17:55Speaker 00

  You said you gave up.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  You're taking it out on Matt.

• 17:57Speaker 00

  And that you had no expectations.

• 17:59Speaker 05

  I know, but then watching them is so fucking frustrating because they, they fucking suck so much. They fucking suck so much.

• 18:06Speaker 00

  I do feel bad because Max and I this week have been commiserated.

• 18:11Speaker 05

  The Cubs suck too.

• 18:11Speaker 00

  I, well, hold on. I was, but hold on. We were commiserating together because the Cubs and the, the Phillies both just needed to win a game against like, there's like, just win a game.

• 18:21Speaker 05

  The Brewers did a bullpen game today because they're, they're saving their pitching.

• 18:25Speaker 00

  So through two games, the Cubs lost twice to the Marlins, the Brewers, the Phillies lost twice. Max and I were texting last night. We're like, baseball's so stupid. No one wants the wild card. And then the Cubs, we kind of abandoned the Phillies and won a game today.

• 18:39Speaker 05

  The Phillies were 0 for 12 with runners in scoring position yesterday. 0 for 12.

• 18:45Speaker 00

  0 for 12.

• 18:46Speaker 05

  In a game that you need to win.

• 18:47Speaker 00

  I left him.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  You were a couple of old ladies saying, yeah, let's never get married.

• 18:51Speaker 00

  We were.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Men are the worst.

• 18:52Speaker 05

  You beat the fucking Marlins one time.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  I know, Max. I said, Max, I said that it's crazy. We couldn't win more than one game against them.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  He's mad that you, you.

• 19:01Speaker 05

  Well, you keep doing this, uh, like you feel bad. You feel bad.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  Feel bad. I said that the, the vibe changed when, when the Cubs abandoned the Phillies. We were commiserating last night.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  And now we're not going to play. It's, it's.

• 19:16Speaker 00

  That's probably dead.

• 19:17Speaker 05

  That's dead. Padres are going to win this game. The Dodgers are a bunch of fucking losers when I need them to be good one fucking time.

• 19:24Speaker 00

  Glasnow did have a no hitter going through five.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  Fucking score.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Max, I guess there's probably plenty of time to talk about this with the Phillies, but where are we at with the window for that team?

• 19:35Speaker 05

  Dead. All dead. All old. All suck.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  Close.

• 19:40Speaker 00

  All right. So.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Close.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  It was, you, you guys know, like 162 games, a lot of games. I know that the playoffs have expanded and it's a little bit different than it used to be, but still clinching is cool and it's fucking awesome.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  You make the playoffs. Yeah.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  It was, it was cool.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Anything can happen. Once you make the playoffs.

• 20:00Speaker 00

  Chip in a chair.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  That's why I'm excited about maybe getting a, a sub 500 team, winning the, uh, the AL West.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. The Guardians also clinched. The Guardians also clinched.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  All right. Love that.

• 20:08Speaker 00

  Uh, so they're in, um, yeah, it was cool. It was, I, I can't even say it was a good baseball day because he's going to get mad at me.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  I think any day is.

• 20:17Speaker 05

  I'm not saying anything. You got, you talk about it. Don't worry about what I have to say.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  I, I think every day that you're above ground watching baseball is a good baseball day.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  At least you had runners in scoring position.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Great point.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  Come on, Hank.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  That's, that's.

• 20:33Speaker 05

  The thing is, they're gonna win one game, like not even this weekend. They're gonna win game one and I'm gonna be like, fuck yeah, this team's back. And then they're gonna fucking suck.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  I had an awesome afternoon.

• 20:42Speaker 05

  I, I'm reserving the right for me to be happy when they win though.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  Max doesn't care about an awesome afternoon.

• 20:48Speaker 05

  But I'm talking about.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  It was like a beautiful weather day in Chicago and I, I went, uh, for a walk and just listened to last four innings on the radio. Baseball on the radio is the best. Pat and Ron who do the Cubs, I mean, they're just the best. It's, there's something about it. It just slows time down. So, uh, it was a fun day. It was a fun day and, and shout out the, uh, White Sox who they have eaten so much shit in the last long time. They lost, uh, I saw the stat. I think it's, let me see, let me pull it up. So I get it exactly right.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  They're such a, such a good story.

• 21:18Speaker 00

  Uh, they went like. Three hundred and twenty-four.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Two years ago. It's crazy.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  Two years ago, all, three hundred and twenty-four losses over the previous three seasons. Three hundred and twenty-four losses. This, no one predicted them to, to make the playoffs this year. They, I saw the, floating around the ESPN graphic that was like zero percent chance, a, a, a dream season they're in. And so, yeah, we're, we're getting closer and closer to baseball playoffs next week.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and.

• 21:44Speaker 00

  I hope Max gets in.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  They've got some great, they've got some fun young players too, the White Sox.

• 21:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  So, uh, Murakami.

• 21:51Speaker 00

  I am Japanese.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Awesome celebration.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  From Murakami.

• 21:54Speaker 00

  The, I mean, the Japanese.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Shota, Shota.

• 21:57Speaker 00

  Like drowned himself in champagne.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Imanaga had what is.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  He's getting Chris Bosh-ish.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  It's going to be, uh, it's gonna be reused. I'll put it that way. Memes, have you filed that one away?

• 22:09Speaker 00

  Shota was.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  What was the name of the folder that you put that under?

• 22:12Speaker 05

  Just bookmarks.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  I mean, he took a, a shot to the face. Oh, that reminded me.

• 22:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  You brought up, um, I forget who you said it was, but, uh, some player that had the most porn star name in the NFL.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Sky Moore.

• 22:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, Sky Moore's up there.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Sky Moore's.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  I think I might've said it. Oh, I think he might've been on the, was he on the Dolphins on that twenty twenty-four team? He might've been.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  He might have.

• 22:37Speaker 00

  That was my, that might've been part of the twenty twenty-four Dolphins being the, the best, uh, porn team of all time.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Cause I was thinking.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Oh no, he's never on the Dolphins. I don't know why I said that.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  I was thinking tonight, the Falcons have an excellent porn star name team.

• 22:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  They've got Sky Moore.

• 22:53Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  They've got.

• 22:54Speaker 00

  Well, no, the Sky Moore's on the pack.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry. Tonight's game. They've got.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  They had Sky Moore out on the field. Jordan Love could also be.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Definitely.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Good porn star. Then the Falcons had, uh, Jesse Bates.

• 23:04Speaker 00

  Yup.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  Sidney Brown.

• 23:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  That's a hot, that's a hot matchup.

• 23:08Speaker 00

  That's hot.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Also, Tory Taylor's a pretty hot name.

• 23:10Speaker 00

  That is very hot. Yeah. It's basically any, any, I mean, like I said, this all started because every time they say Riley Moss, I'm like, that's a hot chick.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  That's just a hot sorority chick.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  All time, I was thinking Shannon Sharp.

• 23:22Speaker 00

  Shannon Sharp.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Shannon Sharp.

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Ashley Lee, who I said, yeah, that's, that's the number one. Uh, by the way.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Field if you're into that Jeffrey Star thing.

• 23:28Speaker 00

  We didn't, uh, we didn't mention it in the picks and preview, but Kyle Juszczyk is being, uh, unfairly taken advantage of by the NFL, being fined for celebrating and drinking, chugging a beer is what they called it.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:43Speaker 00

  The guy's nickname is Juice.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  His nickname is Juice.

• 23:45Speaker 00

  He was drinking juice.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  He doesn't drink beer is the thing.

• 23:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  So, I don't know how, like, it's really, it's Roger Goodell telling on himself.

• 23:53Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Like, he's the one with a dirty mind if he automatically assumed that Kyle Juszczyk was drinking beer.

• 23:59Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Your brain went there, dude. Um, and then they, uh, they threw the book at the Bengals receivers. T. Higgins and Jamar Chase, I think they got fined ninety thousand dollars.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  So we're back to the no fun league.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  It's no fun league, but you know what their celebration was?

• 24:14Speaker 00

  What?

• 24:14Speaker 02

  They said it was the people's elbow, but it was, it was this one. You go like that and then you let it hang.

• 24:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  You let your dick hang.

• 24:21Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  And then they're like, it's a wrestling move commissioner. And he's like, no, no, it's not.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, that one I, I could understand.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  I think what the league is doing is, cause they've got this new like advertising thing. They're calling it like the Selly Zone. A place where you can practice celebrations.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  The league is gonna try to my cause my cleats, in zone celebrations.

• 24:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  And be like, look, you, we're gonna let anybody do their celebrations that they want for one week. It's like the parents that are like, it, you guys can drink in my house and that's fine as long as I can keep an eye on you.

• 24:53Speaker 00

  We, we also know how Roger Goodell works. He's gonna crack down on these celebrations. Then they're gonna go to the negotiating table and he's gonna be like, hey, I'm gonna let you guys celebrate. We're gonna do an eighteenth game.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:06Speaker 00

  Sound good?

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  And they're like, yeah, okay, cool, deal.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  We're gonna bring back two day practices and go eighteen games and in exchange, we'll let you do penis simulations.

• 25:16Speaker 00

  We're gonna make you play on all corners of the earth, but you can do, you can chug a fake beer. And again, you're gonna have to play eighteen games and it's probably gonna be twenty eventually.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Ah, fine. Guess what? We'll, uh, we just won't test for weed anymore too. But we're gonna put that team in South Africa.

• 25:31Speaker 00

  Listen, listen, we care about you guys. We're gonna make you play on the slickest soccer field you've ever seen in the deepest parts of Europe and South America. But if you wanna chug a fake beer, we won't, we'll look the other way.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  It is bullshit.

• 25:46Speaker 00

  And that's a good deal.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  It's such bullshit that they're, they're fining him for this.

• 25:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Appeal that.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  But that's what they do. It is what they're gonna do.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  I think every player in solidarity should, should pretend to chug a beer in the end zone this weekend.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  They can't arrest us all.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Nope, they can't.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  They definitely can.

• 26:03Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, they could find everyone. Okay. Let's get to, we're gonna do picks and preview. Then we have, uh, interview with Ari Emanuel. Really interesting interview, little different than our normal interviews. Guys fascinating to talk to. Uh, I think we had a good conversation. We kinda, we, we got maybe a little contentious, little contentious.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  I'd say, I'd say just a good, sharp conversation.

• 26:22Speaker 00

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• 28:30Speaker 00

  Okay, boys, week three in the NFL. This is the week where we've got a couple of games under our belt. There's a couple of teams that I'm looking at that are desperate as all hell.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Uh, I got the stats for, uh, for the oh and three teams.

• 28:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh and two teams.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Well, the, oh, oh and three.

• 28:49Speaker 00

  To go, oh, yeah, yeah.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  And it's not good. So since nineteen ninety, if you go oh and three, uh, only two point four percent of those teams make the playoffs. There's, uh, four out of a hundred sixty-five.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  Woo.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  That have done that since.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  Gotta win. I think the Texans are like three of those.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  I think they are maybe the entire stat.

• 29:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  And then, um, if you go the other way, three and oh, since nineteen ninety, you make the playoffs seventy-five point three percent of the time.

• 29:13Speaker 00

  Okay, so, big week, huge week. Uh, by the way, CBS, before we get into the game, CBS Sports, uh, put out their NFL coach hot seat rankings.

• 29:24Speaker 00

  I, I disagree with, uh, number two and it will lead into this game. So number one is Todd Bowles. Wholeheartedly agree.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 29:31Speaker 00

  Number two is Aaron Glenn. That feels like that was just off the clock gate and not being able to know how time works. Three is Jim Harbaugh, four is Dan Quinn, five is Shane Steichen, then six is D'Amico Ryans. That makes no sense.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, that doesn't make, I guess the theory on that would be if they make the playoffs and they've got a great defense and CJ Stroud underperforms. That's not at all gonna happen.

• 29:54Speaker 00

  They've made the playoffs like every year.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, they'll be like firing the best part of your, that'd be like, yeah, it'd be a bad idea to fire D'Amico Ryans.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  Uh, i- if their offense can't get it done. I would put Dan Quinn maybe number one on the list.

• 30:08Speaker 00

  No, Todd Bowles.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Todd Bowles also.

• 30:09Speaker 00

  Todd Bowles gotta be one. He's lost, he's lost like, however many straight, he's, has covered an eleven straight games.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then, uh, Aaron Glenn, I don't know, he doesn't understand how time works and he, this week, he, he had a quote that made me think maybe he's still like, doesn't understand. He understands less about how time works as the week went on.

• 30:28Speaker 00

  It's confused him even more.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  He said, we all know our history and we're trying to change that history. I don't think he know, like, history.

• 30:36Speaker 00

  History you can't change.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  It already happened. You're, you're trying to change the narrative.

• 30:39Speaker 00

  Right. You're trying to change your future.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Trying to change your future.

• 30:42Speaker 00

  Right.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  But saying, we know our history and we're trying to change our history, not beating the, I don't understand time allegations.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  He's, he sounds like he's about to go on, uh, a controversial podcast and be like, you know who the real bad guys were in World War Two? That's what he, that's what's changing history is doing.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  But you, you're not allowed to say it. You can't say it.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  Uh, all right.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  He's not gonna be allowed to play Gillette if he keeps going down that road.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  Definitely not. Okay. Chargers, Bills.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  You like that one, Hank?

• 31:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's true. It's true.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  I love it when Hank gives, gives little smirks.

• 31:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Chargers, Bills, first game that I have on here. Uh, Bills minus seven, over under fifty and a half. Boys, I think I'm gonna bet the Chargers in this game. Yeah.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 00

  This is the desperate, they were talking about, uh, we have.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  That makes me feel worse a little bit, but yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 00

  Oh, fuck you.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  I mean, it's true. Okay.

• 31:32Speaker 00

  You're, you're so much better.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Do you think everyone's thinking that?

• 31:34Speaker 00

  No. I think a lot of people are thinking the Bill, the Chargers are dog shit and the Bills are gonna kill them. Cause the Bills have looked like the best team in the NFL so far. They, their offense is on a different level. They went on the road and beat a, uh, well, uh, what we think is gonna be a good Texans team. They went home and beat what we think is gonna be a good Lions team. Here's you, you, you want us to make this the, the case for the Chargers? Let's start with a, a very easy one. The Bills are wearing their ugly gray uniforms.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 32:05Speaker 00

  If, if you go by the Deion Sanders, look good, feel good, feel good, play good, play good, pay good. I don't know how you look good in these jerseys.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  You don't really, uh, besides the fact that like Josh Allen is just a handsome guy in general.

• 32:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 32:18Speaker 02

  I, in, in thinking back to last Thursday's game where they opened up, uh, the, the new stadium in Buffalo. I had a thought. Are Bills fans hot now?

• 32:30Speaker 00

  Uh, well, it's early in the season.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Did Bills fans get hot? Like the crowd shots that they had, it was, it was shocking. Like, I'm not saying that they weren't beautiful human beings before, but like, you know, a little rust belt. Um, i- i- in their past, you wouldn't think of the Buffalo Bills fans as being like the most attractive fan base. And last Thursday night, there were, there were a lot of good looking people in this stadium.

• 32:51Speaker 00

  I didn't notice.

• 32:52Speaker 04

  You might've just been horny for football.

• 32:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  I was probably horny for football, but I don't know. I, I, I think there's something to that. I think the Bills, like the new stadium, maybe it takes off 15 pounds.

• 33:01Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, also, yeah, it isn't late winter. You know what I mean?

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 00

  I think it's a little different when you see, when the crowd shots are, it's, it's 10 degrees with wind and, and there's just a fat guy who looks like he pooped his zubas.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 33:15Speaker 00

  That definitely gives a different vibe.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  I think when a team of any city is like actually really good team and have been for a few years, like the hot fans.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Come out of the woodwork.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  In the warm weather.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  And then they, then they show up, whereas like you're used to seeing the Bills from 20 years ago when they were terrible. And it's like, the only ones going to those games are.

• 33:32Speaker 00

  You get uglier as the season goes along.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  I, I also think in a big game, like the first game at a new stadium, ticket price is probably pretty high for that one to get in.

• 33:40Speaker 00

  It's a social event.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  So you, yeah, if you look at, you know, do people typically get more attractive, the more money they have to spend on their looks? You could make that argument. Maybe we were over, over representing that aspect of the Bills fan base.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 33:53Speaker 02

  They look great though.

• 33:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I, listen. The Chargers stink. But again, it's a week to week league, right?

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Well, their, their pressure rate and their sack rate is down like astronomically and it, it's because they lost their coordinator. So if you look at the Chargers right now, I think their pressure rate is ninth in the NFL. Or excuse me, it was ninth in the NFL. Now it's 22nd this year. Meanwhile, the Ravens went from 23rd to 19th. They've improved a little bit. The sack rate is the key one though. So the Chargers sack rate in 2025 was six in the league. Now it's 28th. The Ravens were 31st last year. Now they're 17th in the NFL. So they cannot, they cannot get after the other team's quarterback at all. And that's just the defensive side. The offense hasn't looked good either, but it's a.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  That's also game, game flow. Uh, that's a game flow stat as well. The Chargers have somehow been down in both of their games significantly.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  I would say that would be more about total sack numbers, but sack rate is more of a percentage.

• 35:00Speaker 00

  Right.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  It's like of the drop backs.

• 35:02Speaker 00

  Right, right. Okay. I got you. So it's of the drop, but they also, yeah, I mean, they, they just have looked bad. They've looked bad overall. Their offense stinks. Right now, uh, Justin Herbert is 31st ranked quarterback in QBR rankings. I don't know what QBR is, but he is, he's one ahead of Cooper Rush, Hank, shout out. Also people are bullying Madison Beers online for her new Fortnite skin. They're, they're getting in the comments section and being like, hey, what happened to our quarterback? Fix him.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  I don't like that.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  Stand down, internet.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  What is a Fortnite skin?

• 35:36Speaker 04

  You equip it just to change your style up a little bit so you can just be Madison Beer.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  Uh, in Fortnite?

• 35:40Speaker 04

  Like choose your player. You can play Fortnite as hot Madison Beer.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Can you tell us about your Fortnite skin? Because you, you kind of alluded this yesterday on macrodosing and I, I kind of let it slide a little bit, but can you say it again?

• 35:51Speaker 04

  I'll go, I'll go Kim K because she's like the waist is real snatch. So you harder to hit.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 35:58Speaker 04

  Like if you, you pick a fat character, you're going to get, you're going to get shot a bunch.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  He plays it like God job.

• 36:03Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  Something to think about.

• 36:05Speaker 00

  Okay. So yeah, she's getting bullied. Justin Herbert's got some, he had a testy, uh, press conference moment where they were asking him about, uh, leadership in the locker room. And he said, I'm going to stop you right there and say that it's very present. We've got great leadership on this team. I trust those guys in that locker room. It's not a notable quote on all, it's only a notable quote because it's Justin Herbert and I have never seen him mad.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  And he is now mad. So yeah, this, this feels like a kitchen sink. You gotta do everything you can. And, and look, the Bills defense has not been great. They've been, you know, they made CJ Stroud look good in week one. The Lions, I know that the Lions didn't really get going till the second half there. But if you're going to have a game that maybe things start to turn around offensively, it would feel like this would be the game. I still think the Mike McDaniel thing, he's got to make the adjustments because it feels like he's trying to run an offense with the personnel that he doesn't have in, that he didn't have in Miami.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's got to figure it out. And, um, our guy Shane, our Chargers guy Shane has been very much on edge all week. Got it. Got into a like literal fight with Big Cat's assistant, Dom, when they were going back and forth about the Browns and the Chargers. And, and Dom posted what was honestly a pretty shocking graphic to the group chat, which was side by side comparison of Deshaun Watson this year with Justin Herbert, with nearly every stat favoring Deshaun Watson.

• 37:29Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Um, that's, that, that was a, a tough realization to have, I think for Shane. So yes. His response has just been to pretend that it doesn't exist.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  He's kind of putting his head in the sandwich. I understand.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  I, I get it.

• 37:39Speaker 00

  You gotta do anything you can to, to try to survive an 0-2 start against the two winnable games that you thought you had. I do think, and this is going against myself because the Chargers are my pinky team. I do think that everyone has talked so much about this gauntlet, the Chargers are about to run. I do think they're going to come out of it a little bit better than we expect.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  I don't think they're going 0-9.

• 37:58Speaker 00

  No, no. Also Hank, I am not going to ladder Justin Herbert's yards this week, which I have done the first two weeks, and that has been the worst bet by far that you could ever make. He hasn't even sniffed it. So that's also a positive.

• 38:12Speaker 04

  I love the Chargers this week.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  Points or money line?

• 38:16Speaker 04

  Money line.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  I love that you love them.

• 38:20Speaker 04

  I'm sorry for lashing out on you loving them. I just thought.

• 38:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I mean, it was, it, it's just like.

• 38:25Speaker 04

  I did.

• 38:25Speaker 00

  Listen, I'm a bad gambler. You're not like some sharp.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  I know, but I also know like if me, you and PFT all think we know something like we don't.

• 38:34Speaker 00

  Well, I, I like just.

• 38:35Speaker 04

  So it's like, I'm not like.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 38:37Speaker 04

  I know I'm bad, but then I know if like you and like Jerry and are like, oh yeah, like I, you know, it's a sneaky love.

• 38:42Speaker 00

  No, you're right.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  The Chargers, then I'm like, oh, fuck.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  When we all come to the conclusion independently, it's usually a, a big problem. I'm, I'm going to probably take the Chargers against the spread. I don't know if they can win the game.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  I'm going to push back on that though, because we all came to the same conclusion about Sean McVay not understanding time.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  True.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  And we were a hundred percent.

• 39:00Speaker 00

  Every now and then we are right.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  We've never been righter about anything in the history of the show.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  That's facts.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Than that.

• 39:05Speaker 00

  That's facts.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  I'll also remember the, uh, Chargers have lost two straight games by the same score. I don't think it's ever been done three times in a row. I, I will be betting on the exact same score.

• 39:14Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  It happened 2016, 14.

• 39:16Speaker 00

  You gotta bet on lightning again?

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. I gotta bet on history to happen.

• 39:19Speaker 00

  Listen.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  Also the jerseys. Let's remember those jerseys suck. And that does matter. Like if we're just basing it off of how you're looking and guess what? DJ Moore is important. I don't think he's going to play.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  Like that's.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Very important.

• 39:35Speaker 00

  That he's very important in, in terms of stretching the field and being that number one option. Yeah. Yeah. We have the Colts anvil jerseys coming up as well. That's my other jersey game of the week. Um, all right. Next game. This is the game that PFT and I are on the hot seat for. It is the Carolina Panthers minus two and a half at the Cleveland Browns. A reminder to all AWLs, if the Cleveland Browns beat the Carolina Panthers by 23 or more points, PFT and I will combined give one AWL who's a Browns fan $50,000 and two toilets.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Two toilets. And that's, um, we should put it probably a cap on the toilet price. Like they have to have it in stock at Home Depot.

• 40:18Speaker 04

  Oh, you're not going Kohler?

• 40:20Speaker 00

  I think we gotta get, I think we gotta get him like a bidet.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, we can, we can do the bidet.

• 40:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  I'm sure they have those.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  Kohler.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  They have those in stock. I just, I don't want a custom job. Nothing marble.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, no, not go. Yeah, no, it's gotta be off the, it's gotta be something we can buy. Yeah.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, I agree with that.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  Maybe some sea heating?

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  We could do some seed heating.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure. I mean, not like, not too fancy.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  You could get the seed heated.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  About the winner.

• 40:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. There we go, Zach. Good, good, good addition. Good, good. I put a, I said Zach has to click that mic three times during this because too many times the booth has just been not clicking the mic and they've been saying funny things.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  I, by the way, one of the stories through two weeks, I know that it's, it's only two weeks in. Bryce Young has been awesome. I think he's third in the, in the league in passing yards. He also, do you guys, so Bryce Young is the answer to one of these, but can you give me the other one? There's two quarterbacks with three plus passing touchdowns in the first two games this season.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Three plus.

• 41:21Speaker 00

  Both games.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Brock Purdy?

• 41:23Speaker 00

  No.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Jacoby Brissette?

• 41:26Speaker 00

  No. It is.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Kirk Cousins. Oh, okay, yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, Bryce Young and Kirk Cousins.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  Nice. Turn back.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  So he's tied, he's second in passing yards, tied for first in passing TDs. Are we having the conversation that he might be better than CJ Stroud?

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think we've been having that conversation.

• 41:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  It's, it's got to feel great for Panthers fans to even be entertaining that and, and thinking that positively about your team. He's also been able to win as a favorite.

• 41:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Which, which he wasn't ever able to do, ever.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, the first time, yeah, last week.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:00Speaker 00

  They did it.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  He proved it.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  He did it. He proved it. Also, Todd Monkin has said, he got a little blowback. Remember, we talked on Wednesday about him saying Deshaun Watson's a young quarterback? He said, maybe I didn't phrase it right. What I meant was being away from the game, how many games he's played the last five years, I didn't expect pushback from it. So he's talking about young in not the literal sense, but like the football sense. He's a young quarterback because he had a five-year gap in his resume where if he went and tried to get employed at any job in America, they'd be like, what happened here, Deshaun? And then he'd have to explain it and they'd be like, all right, that's the end of the interview.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  It was just, his body's young.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  His, his, he's got a, yeah.

• 42:37Speaker 00

  His body's very young.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Not a lot of wear on those tires. Yeah, he's, uh, it would be shocking to see the Cleveland Browns at two and one.

• 42:44Speaker 00

  Right?

• 42:45Speaker 02

  It would be shocking just to look at that number next to their name. That would be just kind of a wild turn of events. And it seems like, I don't know, it seems like there's a lot of noise around the Browns right now about when and if they'll make a change at quarterback. But last week, I mean, Deshaun, he wasn't bad.

• 43:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. PFT, do you know how shocking it would be if the Browns were two and one?

• 43:11Speaker 00

  Uh, my assistant Dom, who we've talked about, who's a psycho Browns fan, to the point where he's, I've gotten HR complaints about his Cleveland fandom, uh, multiple times. Do you know that he's created his own Browns simulator that he, uh, will put in the results of each game and it tells you what will be the next game? So like it's winner loss. He made his own.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  It's only applicable to the Browns.

• 43:36Speaker 00

  Only applicable to the Browns. So this week's game is a season defining game.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:45Speaker 00

  And if the Browns win this game, next week against the Steelers is dubbed game of the century.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  It's a little early.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  Well, last.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  Game of the century.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  But last week.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  We still got a lot of.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  In that simulator, the, the, he'd been saying this all summer. It was like the, the game against Baker was their Super Bowl.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's different from game of the.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  I know.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  But how, if, if Super Bowl's week two, you can only go so many rungs up.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  They, they might have multiple Super Bowls this year. They might have a dynasty.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  It's, I mean, it's, it's pretty shocking to, to be in this simulator and, uh, I think it's, oh, I think it's, if they, if they start the season six and one, they have a big game against the Steelers called Little Brother Becomes Big Brother Bowl.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 44:33Speaker 00

  Uh, and then I think it's, I think it's, uh, I think he gets to soupy, thinking soupy around eight and one, but it's, it's a, it's a disgusting simulator to look at. It's, it's crazy. So he's got every single game mapped out, what, what happens, winner loss. So this is, this is a season defining game and potentially gets them to a game of the century.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, Watson had a great quote this week about like what he's learned so far this year. And he said, the biggest thing is never try to go to war with the fans.

• 45:07Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  So good job, good job by, don't start a war with your own fan base.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  That is, that's a good lesson to learn.

• 45:14Speaker 00

  Really good lesson.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  If you didn't know already.

• 45:16Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  I don't know. You think they're going to boo him at home?

• 45:18Speaker 00

  I don't think so. Because they did win.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:23Speaker 00

  They might boo it. All right.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  But I mean, they were.

• 45:25Speaker 00

  Let me take this back.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  They took a deep breath getting ready to boo him.

• 45:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Like two weeks ago.

• 45:29Speaker 00

  I think.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  I don't know that they've exhaled that breath.

• 45:32Speaker 00

  I think they will boo him if things go bad. I do not think they'll boo him right out of the gate. You're one and one. You're literally in a season defining game. That could lead to the game of the century. I think they'll support him for the start of the game.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  So that.

• 45:47Speaker 00

  First pick or bad play, then the boos.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  So when he, when he runs out onto the field before they've run a single play, there's going to be that moment in the stadium. I feel like if, if one section starts the boo.

• 45:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, it might be.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  It's going to catch on. They need to all be on the same page and say like, maybe let's, let's let him throw a pass.

• 46:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  But in terms of like a short fuse for the boo, it's going to be like, if, if you, if it's an interception, God forbid, or if it's just like an incomplete pass on the first toss, I think the stadium is going to just go nuts.

• 46:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. So yeah, here's, here's his, uh, his, his presentation.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Would you like to go yes or no?

• 46:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, let's go yes. So then they get to the game.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  All right. So the Browns win the, the season defining game.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. Then they go to, they get to the game of the century. Now here's where I, I get loose. So let's just say they won the, the game of the century as well. Uh, so it's a yes. Now he's, there were four weeks in, we're three and one, and he's already calling the Jets, a Browns fan is calling the Jets a trap game. That feels illegal.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  It's also, he's misspelled the word avoid.

• 46:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  This, this simulator is making me a little bit sick.

• 46:50Speaker 00

  It's making me uncomfortable.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  I didn't know it was going to be like the zoom in. It's like, when you do one of those nature documentaries that goes down to the level of an atom or a quark and just keep zooming in over and over and over again. I feel like the, the Browns are definitely not a team you want to be absorbing like this close up.

• 47:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's, it's a, we're going to, we're going to file this away for, uh, some evidence for a future date.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  I don't like that he calls the playoffs the offs.

• 47:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's yoffs.

• 47:16Speaker 02

  It's yoffs.

• 47:17Speaker 00

  It's yoffs.

• 47:19Speaker 00

  This is, we now have the Browns five and one. The little brother becomes big brother ball. You're getting shocked. Watson revenge game. Why would Watson, he's misspelled Watson? Why would Watson need revenge against the Texans who paid him a lot of money and also kind of stood by him for a long time?

• 47:39Speaker 02

  And, and.

• 47:39Speaker 00

  True. They've kind of covered up a lot of shit.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  And traded him to a team that was about to give him a, the biggest guaranteed contract in NFL history.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. The can you go two and one or better stretch? That's against the Falcons, Raiders and Bengals. And then it's soupy.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  Okay. I, I honestly, if I'm a Browns fan, if I go, if I start five and one, I think it's soupy.

• 47:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, definitely. But no. Yeah, it's a, it's quite something. Okay. Uh, does anyone like anything in this game? I mean, I just don't want the Browns to win by 23 or more.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  I, I think I like, I like Cleveland.

• 48:13Speaker 00

  What point would we get, what, what point would we get nervous? If the Browns were up 14 in the third.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  14.

• 48:20Speaker 00

  Quarter.

• 48:20Speaker 04

  At any point they go up 14, you're nervous.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  You got to pick six coming.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  Then anything can happen.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:28Speaker 00

  This would be a tough conversation with my wife to be like, hey.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  This is so dumb.

• 48:32Speaker 00

  25K in a, in a, in a toilet.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  I think it's a great thing.

• 48:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a great thing to give back. We're giving back. Everyone should commend us for giving back.

• 48:40Speaker 04

  22 plus.

• 48:42Speaker 00

  23 or more.

• 48:44Speaker 04

  Just or more.

• 48:45Speaker 00

  Or more.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Are you looking at how to?

• 48:47Speaker 00

  Oh, are you going to bet it?

• 48:48Speaker 04

  I'm trying to see.

• 48:49Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 48:49Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't hate. You guys should bet.

• 48:51Speaker 02

  We should hedge it. Yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 00

  We should. We should. You like the Browns in this game, Hank?

• 48:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 48:56Speaker 00

  Oh, you like the Panthers?

• 48:58Speaker 04

  I'm going to bet the Browns to win by 23 or more. I think I'm also a little bit, yeah.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  I, I do like the Browns to, to win outright.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  You probably can't even.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  And if that's, if the spread is a, what's the spread?

• 49:10Speaker 00

  Two and a half, two and a half.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Minus two and a half. I hope it goes to three. It probably won't.

• 49:13Speaker 00

  No.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Um, but I, I do like the Browns to win outright.

• 49:18Speaker 00

  Okay. Next up, Jets Lions. Let's go memes. Jets are plus six and a half, over under's 48 and a half. Do you know memes? This is the first game, uh, the Jets are playing in where the over under is more than 48 since November of 2021 versus the Bills. 78 games.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  78 games where the Jets had every single total 48 or less. That's pretty impressive.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  But the Jets might be, it's probably a combo of the Jets, Gino being a, uh, like fine quarterback and the Lions defense being atrocious would be the, would be my, my guess here. How are you feeling, memes?

• 50:02Speaker 03

  Feeling good. Uh, this is the week where you find out what the Jets are.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 50:08Speaker 03

  Week one, they, they played 95 degree weather in Nashville. Week two, it was raining.

• 50:14Speaker 00

  What does the weather have to do with?

• 50:16Speaker 03

  I'm saying they got, they, it's like weather luck slash, you don't, you don't really know what a team is when they play in that kind of weather.

• 50:24Speaker 00

  I think it'd be more that they played the Titans that you don't know what they are.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  But it was also 95 degrees out.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  Okay. Keep going. Sorry.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  But they're playing in a dome. You get to see what, you see what you got.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  Got it. It's like a sterile environment.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  That you can truly observe.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  No weather involved.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  No weather involved. You see if you're actually good, if you're actually bad.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  What do you think the answer is?

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm not sure.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  I thought you thought they were good.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  I think they're better, they're better than expected.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  You definitely think they're good, but you're nervous to say that you think that they're good.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  This, this is a big game.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  All right. I, I understand where, I understand where he's at. He doesn't want, you don't want to fully commit yet, but.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  But you.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  In your, in your mind, you.

• 51:06Speaker 00

  Like, yeah, like if we were off camera right now, you'd be like, yeah, the Jets are good. But right now, but I get.

• 51:11Speaker 04

  And your group chats with your friends from home, you're like, we're going to win this game.

• 51:14Speaker 00

  You don't want to put yourself in an emotionally vulnerable spot, which I, you have to stay guarded.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  Correct. But, and also those group chats, like the Lions have had 10 days off. Everybody's been telling them they suck for those 10 days. I didn't have this game as a win going into the season.

• 51:35Speaker 02

  Okay. That makes sense. I have a question, memes.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Can you give us an insight into the actual group chat that you have going? The Jets fan group chat? I want to know like some of the things that people are actually saying.

• 51:48Speaker 00

  I was in one last year. I got kicked out.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Can you tell us behind the scenes?

• 51:52Speaker 00

  I was in one too.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  I want to know what the actual.

• 51:55Speaker 05

  I was in that too.

• 51:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was in one to be the, the Justin Fields translator for him and I translated too well. Cause I was like, after week one, I was like, this is a classic Justin Fields trap game. He sucks you in. You lose the game, but he looked good in moments. He's not good. And everyone kicked me out because they're like, and then I turned out to be true. They burned the witch.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. Right now it's just Dave Bailey could be a beast. Alec Pierce is on IR. We really could have something here.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  Like if Colts, you know, get the first overall pick.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  Got it. Okay.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Uh, and then if Cooper comes back, we, we could be a beast on offense. So that's, that's the.

• 52:30Speaker 00

  When is he coming back?

• 52:32Speaker 03

  Week five.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Okay. You could be a beast on offense.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  Well, here's the thing. The Lions defense through two games, 31st in points per, uh, points allowed, 31st in yards per game allowed, 31st in defensive passing yards, 28th in defensive rushing yards, 32nd in first downs allowed, 32nd in fourth down defense, 30th and third down defense. Their defense has been bad. And yes, of course they played Josh Allen and Shuck, maybe the first and second best quarterbacks in the NFL. I get that, but still.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  And the Jets defense might be good. Might be really good.

• 53:07Speaker 00

  Might be good.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  So they're, they're number one in the NFL for yards allowed.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're, they're playing over their head right now.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  That doesn't sound good, although for Jets, that makes sense. But why, why would you say that?

• 53:21Speaker 03

  Just the talent they have on defense. They have a bunch of guys hurt. So they're, they are just playing over their head at the moment on defense.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  I mean, they could also be really well coached on defense too.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  Depth is important. I mean, ask, ask a Lions fan and the Lions are 31st in, in most defensive categories.

• 53:39Speaker 00

  I just, yeah.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. But what's crazy is they've also, they've scored exactly 31 points in both games too. So if they're going to win games, they have to score until Branch gets back at least. And, uh, they are very, very good after a loss though. That's the problem that you might be looking at memes is in their last 15, after a loss, they're 12 and three against the spread. So Dan Campbell has, has a way of getting the Lions to bounce back.

• 54:07Speaker 00

  Aaron Glenn revenge. But not really revenge because Dan Campbell kind of gave him the opportunity to then become a head coach, but we could just say Aaron Glenn revenge.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Aaron Glenn revenge. He did get blamed for their playoff loss.

• 54:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true. And it, but it is funny because the narrative that floats around Lions, once Ben Johnson left, the Lions have not looked the same. Their defense is the problem, is the problem. Their offense has been fine. It's their defense that hasn't looked the same.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you think that the, the players on the team, especially like the, the defense, I, I, just anybody on the Jets right now? Do you think that they took what their coach did at the end of the last game as a sign of him being afraid and him not believing in them?

• 54:50Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  I think he, I think they might if I was on that team.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  I, I don't know how you could look at it any other way. That was a, a classic, brain stalling moment where he's like, I don't want to call a timeout because they might go for it and get a first down.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Could you ever imagine a good coach doing that?

• 55:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Is what I'm getting at. I can't imagine like anybody that we think of as being one of the best coaches, having that, that fear mentality at the end of the game.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  Are you getting at something here or?

• 55:21Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah. My question was like, if you're a player on the team, I asked it already. Do you think that the players think that about their coach?

• 55:28Speaker 00

  It does feel like it was a setup.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. I thought you were, is there like, did somebody else do that?

• 55:33Speaker 02

  No, that, no, that is the question that I have is like, if you're a player on the team, do you think that your coach doesn't believe in you?

• 55:41Speaker 03

  I'd probably say the offense.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Even though they took the ball first, but.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 55:47Speaker 00

  Smart. They wanted to control the clock.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's all I'm getting at memes is like that, that one decision. I think it gives you a little bit of an insight into what he's like, what's going through his head at the end of the game.

• 55:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. I see where you're coming from.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 00

  Okay. Uh, next up Texans Colts. This is a loser leaves town game. Colts plus two and a half over under 42 and a half. Both teams 0 and 2.

• 56:09Speaker 00

  Whoever loses this game, it just, it, I know the season isn't over, but they will feel like the season is over and whoever wins will feel like, hey, you know what? Bad start, but we're good. We're, we're off to the right side, especially if the Colts win because the Colts did have Ravens, Chiefs, Texans. That's a hard three games. If you told a Colts fan before the season, you go one and two in those games, they wouldn't be shocked. So the Colts feel like they can kind of salvage. The Texans are just, I, yeah, I, I don't know. I, I don't know. I mean, you need Nico Collins. The Texans defense hasn't been as elite as, uh, we thought it was going to be. They're one of three teams to, uh, have no takeaways this season so far.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 56:49Speaker 00

  It's the Texans, Eagles and commanders actually. Um, and then on the other side, we have the Anvil jerseys from the Colts, which I hate. They look weird and you have Sauce Gardner, uh, in his fields because he has gone 644 days without winning a football game in the United States. And he had a quote saying, they'll word it any way to make it sound egregious. So it's just one of those things where I'm used to the criticism now. I don't think that's worded any specific way, other than it's been a really long time since you won a game in the United States.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  I think the only part you could make an argument is the, in the United States.

• 57:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, but still.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Like they did win a game in Germany. That, that's a very, very long time for him to, he hasn't won a game in the United States since, since Donald Trump has been back in office. Is that right?

• 57:36Speaker 00

  Um.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  Even if the stat was, he has won one game in the last 640. That is still a horrendous stat.

• 57:43Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 57:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. So it's not like that. He won 10 games overseas.

• 57:47Speaker 00

  Right. It's not, yeah. Yeah. It's not like they, they played an entire series over in Brazil and he was awesome there.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  And the Colts, they, they're 0 and nine going back to last year. They've got the longest losing streak in the NFL. Alec Pierce going down is going to be tough for them. He's going to try to do it without the surgery and rehab back. But without him on the field, that, that's like, that's taking away maybe the most important dimension of their offense that, that actually will help, uh, the running game when he's on the field and not having that, I feel like that might be really bad news for, uh, for the Colts.

• 58:18Speaker 00

  Last time he won a game in the United States was, uh, December 15th, 2024.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  It's a long ass time ago. It's a long ass time ago. Sorry, Sauce, but that's that. I mean, it's a fun stat to say.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  I don't really know what else to do.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  The Colts, that loss against the Chiefs, it was tough, but I, and there's no moral victories. That should count as, he's, Sauce Gardner has one moral win in the United States.

• 58:46Speaker 00

  I don't know if that's more when you, Shane Steichen, like I still don't, why kick the field goal there and no, and just give the ball to Patrick Mahomes? Who's going to win the game?

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  Just go for it. I would rather lose going for it than just doing the thing that you know how it's going to end. There's, no one in the world thought that it was going to end differently.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Everyone that's watched the Chiefs play football, we know, we know how that movie ends right there. Uh, it's going to be 75, I think in Indy. I don't know who's making the announcements that the roof is going to be open or closed now that Mr. Ursay's passed away. Can we, is that coming from the team account? I need to know.

• 59:20Speaker 00

  Be his daughter?

• 59:20Speaker 02

  It should be. You see her on the sidelines like taking notes.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, she does every game.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  Like, like getting right up into it.

• 59:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. She gets every game. She's, she's, uh, she's hands on.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. She, but like, I feel like a lot of times she's standing back a little bit. This time she was, she's starting to lurk like Jerry Jones used to lurk or like Arthur Blank used to lurk, like directly behind the coaching staff.

• 59:42Speaker 00

  I don't know why you wouldn't sit upstairs. It's such a better view if you're trying to learn the game.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  I think, I think she wants to get down and see the, uh,

• 59:49Speaker 00

  She wants to see the body language. The white in their eyes?

• 59:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. So who's making this announcement now that?

• 59:54Speaker 05

  I've only seen it after the fact or like from press people during the game. I haven't.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  I think the roof's going to be open. I think 75 sunny, indeed. This might be one of the last times. Open the roof. Do the right thing. Let Mr. Ursay watch.

• 1:00:11Speaker 00

  I have no idea who's going to win this game. This is a coin flip game in my head. Do you guys agree or does anyone have a strong opinion? Two desperate teams.

• 1:00:19Speaker 05

  I think Texans.

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  Division.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  I think Colts. I think the Texans are the better team. I think the Colts will win this game. And then, uh, D'Amico is going to be, okay, we're on three again. No problem. And then they'll, they'll rip off a bunch of wins in a row.

• 1:00:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. Um, we can go through quickly through this one. Chiefs minus 10 and a half at the Dolphins. Uh, the over under is, uh, 46 and a half. I, I mean, the Dolphins are the worst team in the NFL. The Chiefs look like they might be the best. They're, they're the only team with the, through two weeks, has a top five in total offense and top five in total defense. Um, everything just feels like, I mean, you just read the quotes and, and like Travis Kelsey saying like, everyone feels more locked in. And this feels like a different vibe, the purpose. Uh, Travis Kelsey's running like he ran four years ago somehow. He's got speed again.

• 1:01:13Speaker 00

  Mahomes throwing deep balls. The defense looks young and spry. Chris Jones is talking about how much he loves Butt. And yeah, the vibes are good.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Everything's good in Kansas City right now.

• 1:01:24Speaker 00

  He said, I love Butt and I trust in Butt.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  He was talking about Bucker.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:27Speaker 00

  But he said Butt.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Butt's the man.

• 1:01:29Speaker 00

  I love Butt.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  Butt splits those uprights.

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, I have a fun game we can play.

• 1:01:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  For this, this, uh, Dolphins Chiefs matchup. Let's see how many Dolphins we can name without looking it up.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Okay. A chain.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Okay. Uh, Malik Willis.

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  A chain.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  Uh, Malik Willis.

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  I don't think I got a single receiver.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  I got one more, I think.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  Linebacker from Texas Tech, Rodriguez.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Oh, Rodriguez, okay.

• 1:01:58Speaker 05

  Oh, he's on the Dolphins.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Okay, Malik Washington, they got, they got two Maliks.

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  Yep, he's fast.

• 1:02:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, they have, their entire defense has like no.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  No guys.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  No guys, and they all are like. I think it's, I saw Dolphins rookies most snapped by rookies in the NFL. The Dolphins have 842. The next team is the Giants with 505.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 00

  And it was also Jeff Haley said like, he said, get out here and support the team, make it loud. We've got a team that is young and is giving everything they have. That sounds like a, like low level college football team. That's a quote that Purdue would say, we gotta get out there and support the team, make it loud. We've got a team that is young and is giving everything they have. That's tough.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a, that's a first year coach at like Northern Colorado.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  You don't want that for an NFL team, but that's where the Dolphins are. I mean, they are a full reset. So it's not like we're shocked that the Dolphins are looking like this, but man, oh, Chop Robinson.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:03:11Speaker 00

  That's definitely.

• 1:03:11Speaker 05

  Chop Robinson and Caden Proctor are two that we could have gotten. The receivers are wild. Caleb Douglas, I have no idea who that is. That's a starting receiver.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  Oh, Ollie Gordon.

• 1:03:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, Ollie Gordon.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  I remember, we bet on him, I think last year.

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  Oklahoma State.

• 1:03:28Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  And Greg Doltich.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, these guys are, look, they're out there. Try, get out there and let's get loud, okay?

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  Come on, Miami.

• 1:03:36Speaker 00

  Let's make, hey, Miami, get on your feet. Let's go. Let's make it loud.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  Miami, we understand that you have a choice when it comes to how you spend your Sundays and we would be honored and humbled if you would come out and support your fence. Thanks, Jeff Haley.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, double digit dogs. This is one positive Miami, double digit dogs often against the spread loss as a double digit dog. So the Dolphins were 13 point underdogs last week against the 49ers. They lost both outright and against the spread. They're now double digit dogs again. That setting, 50 and 25 against the spread. So that's pretty good. Basically, everyone thinks you're so bad. You show you that you're so bad. Then they're like, hey, watch them. They're really, really bad. Maybe they'll bounce off the mat.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Everything is telling you that you should maybe think about trying to think about taking the Dolphins.

• 1:04:31Speaker 00

  I'm not going to do it.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  And I will not, I will not fall into that. I'm not going to.

• 1:04:34Speaker 00

  I am not going to.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  I think they're a special kind of bad. Like that stat about how young they are.

• 1:04:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  They're, which is good. I think they're doing the right thing.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  Well, it's good and bad. I mean, if, if you're young and bad, that's never good. You want to, ideally you'd like to be young and good.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  You'd like to be good, but maybe, maybe that's how you find out just how bad you are.

• 1:04:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  And like which people maybe might not be bad enough to completely move on from. I think they are doing it the right way, though. If you're going to be bad, you should be bad. You'd rather be bad and young than bad and old.

• 1:05:05Speaker 00

  Yes, that's true. Yeah, that's absolutely true. Okay, next game, Titans, Giants, Giants plus three, over, under is 38 and a half. Jameis time, Jameis time. How do we feel like Jameis is going to do now that he's got a week with the ones?

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  Game feels like a, like the way the Jaguars felt like a trap last week. The Giants feel like a trap this week.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  They feel like you're, well, they haven't, it's been a while since they've won a game.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  Or the Titans, I guess.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Jackson Dart.

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  It would be the Titans, right? Or sorry, the Giants are minus two and a half, sorry.

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  The Titans, even though it's.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  It's a double trap?

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  Titans, no, it's the Titans like feel like they should win this game.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  Right. The Giants are at home, they're two and a half point favorites. You're like, the Giants stink.

• 1:05:47Speaker 04

  The team's giving up.

• 1:05:48Speaker 00

  The Titans almost beat the Eagles. They looked pretty good. You gotta take the Titans here. I kind of agree with you.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  So, yeah, they, they didn't win a game last season without Jackson Dart starting. So it's, it's gone back a while for the Giants. Now Jameis is a different.

• 1:06:03Speaker 00

  I count the.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  He's a different cat.

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  He looked horrible.

• 1:06:05Speaker 00

  The game against the Lions is a win. The Jameis game against the Lions.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that counts as win. I don't think, listen, Hank, that's a tough spot to come in for.

• 1:06:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, just chill out, Hank.

• 1:06:14Speaker 05

  What was that?

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  Are you a Jameis guy or not?

• 1:06:17Speaker 04

  No, Hank, Hank wanted to be a Jameis. I was a Jameis guy and I was watching that game. I was like, oh, no.

• 1:06:22Speaker 00

  He had no time with the ones.

• 1:06:25Speaker 05

  It was one bad game.

• 1:06:26Speaker 00

  He threw, he was thrown in there.

• 1:06:28Speaker 05

  He didn't even start. He's had zero bad starts this year.

• 1:06:31Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  Let, yeah, let him at least get a chance, a full week of practice, work on what Jameis does best.

• 1:06:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, we'd agree with you if, if someone else was.

• 1:06:40Speaker 05

  The H word is a little premature. Let's.

• 1:06:43Speaker 00

  Horrible, yeah.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also, his number one receiver went down for a little bit.

• 1:06:47Speaker 00

  Time change.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Time change and all that stuff. And like this, I think this is going to be Jameis weather. It's going to be like 20 degrees, a little windy.

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  20?

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry, sorry, not 20 degrees. It's going to be 20 mile an hour winds, a little windy and it's going to be raining too. So Jameis is a mutter.

• 1:07:04Speaker 00

  Ah, that might not be Jameis weather.

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  Jameis is a mutter. What could go wrong?

• 1:07:09Speaker 05

  No, well, Jameis is at his best when he's throwing touchdowns and picks.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  He, he just threw a pick.

• 1:07:14Speaker 00

  But, but, but the, the rain feels like fumbles.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  When has he ever fumbled?

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  He's, he's not, he's a pick guy, not a fumble guy.

• 1:07:24Speaker 00

  Hank, it's really, I mean, just stay with, stay with our guy.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  There's a lot of evidence. He's had some, was that game against Oregon?

• 1:07:33Speaker 00

  That was kind of a fumble pick hybrid. That was an awesome, maybe my favorite turnover. It's a new kind of pick.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:40Speaker 00

  It never been seen before. Oh, man.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  I'll give him one more chance this week.

• 1:07:45Speaker 00

  Yeah?

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  Okay, cool.

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:07:49Speaker 00

  I just want him to be, he's talking about how he's excited. It's always been his dream to be back to being a starting quarterback.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, Harbaugh said he's going to be the starter, so we're going to build a game plan for Jameis to suit his skill set. I mean, how promising does that sound?

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  That sounds like an under.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, you're done. You're not allowed to root for Jameis anymore. Don't, you're not, even if he throws five touchdowns and, and four interceptions.

• 1:08:13Speaker 00

  I don't want you cheering.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  And they went 45 to 39, you're not allowed back on. Okay? Banned.

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're banned. Do you think the discourse out there, do you think that, I saw someone throw out the idea that the Giants should trade for J.J. McCarthy?

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  I did see that discourse.

• 1:08:30Speaker 00

  That actually makes a little sense. Then, of course, Emmanuel Acho is like the dumbest guy in the world was like, the Giants should trade for Mac Jones. He, he like saw one person have a, actually well thought out idea. Cause the idea is that J.J. McCarthy, you trade for J.J. McCarthy, if he does well, you can then trade J.J. McCarthy. You have options at quarterback because he's still young. And if he does poorly, you're going to have a top five pick anyway. So that, like, it's kind of a no lose situation for the Giants and the Vikings would get something out of it.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  He also.

• 1:09:01Speaker 00

  Then the Mac Jones one is like, why would the Niners ever trade Mac Jones when they're like the most injured team in the world and Mac Jones proved that he could be a good backup last year?

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, Acho also got bodied by Leonard Fournette.

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, Barstool Lenny.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Barstool Lenny got him, just like.

• 1:09:15Speaker 00

  Anytime you gotta be like, I'm smarter than you, you're a loser. That's basically what he did.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  He said that multiple times. He was too, like, he tweeted out essentially that same thing, which is like, instead of studying like X's and O's, I pick up and I study quantum finance. Like, he was getting like really into like talking about how, how intelligent he was.

• 1:09:34Speaker 00

  It's a, it's a pretty good sign in life that if you say to someone, I am smarter than you, and like with no joking, no sarcasm whatsoever, you're a dumb person.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:43Speaker 00

  Like that, smart people don't say that. They don't walk around saying, I'm smarter than you. They just act and then everyone says, wow, that guy's smart. So, yeah, he's a dumb guy.

• 1:09:54Speaker 02

  I heard something about Emmanuel Acho a couple of years ago. I don't know if I said on this show, that he, he saves up vacation pictures. So when he's, I did say, so when he's working. He'll like occasionally post an old vacation picture and then act like he's on vacation at some exotic place. Just that people think that he takes a lot of cool vacations. And so they'll ask him about it, be like, yeah, I gotta keep him guessing of where I'm at.

• 1:10:17Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  What a, it's crazy.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  It is crazy.

• 1:10:22Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  He is.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  Which is why I think maybe that thing that he said about the security person that showed up.

• 1:10:30Speaker 00

  Not right, right.

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  To like change a police report for the Giants.

• 1:10:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  That that might have been made up.

• 1:10:37Speaker 00

  Did you see the, the, let's see, I retweeted it. I gotta find it. It was Sam Munson, does really good work.

• 1:10:47Speaker 00

  Emmanuel Acho, a couple of weeks ago, say, or actually it was this week saying, LOL, in middle school, they was teaching me, well, okay, let me, let me read this again. This is the guy who's, who's talking about how smart he is online. LOL, in middle school, they was teaching me French, not how to fight. I was learning Shakespeare, not squabbling. Boys can spot fake Js but can't solve for X. Make it make sense. And then someone found a tweet from 2020 where Emmanuel Acho said, someone tell me how to say thank you so much, my friend in French, please.

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  That should be cool.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  There you go, Hank.

• 1:11:25Speaker 00

  That's a.

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  Me.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Speaker 04

  Amour.

• 1:11:29Speaker 00

  He was teaching me French, not how to fight. Okay.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, um.

• 1:11:33Speaker 00

  We side with, with Barstool Lenny.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  So that was a fucking lie by Acho.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, so what do you guys think? Should they try to trade for, because the Giants did say they're going to look.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  No, I mean, this is just, you try to find a Harbaugh connection.

• 1:11:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, and there is.

• 1:11:48Speaker 02

  And there's a massive Harbaugh connection there. I don't think that they should, no, I don't.

• 1:11:52Speaker 00

  You should what?

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  I don't think they should try to trade for J.J.

• 1:11:55Speaker 00

  I think they should probably add someone just in case.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  But we're all in on Jameis.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm gonna put Emmanuel Acho's take to the side and, and look to Mike Florio and wait for Mike Florio to suggest Colin Kaepernick.

• 1:12:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. Big Ben.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  That train's never late.

• 1:12:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay, next game, Bengals, Steelers, Steelers plus three and a half, over, under 42 and a half memes. You sent us this, can we pull this up? This made me laugh. The, the, the video you sent us of Big Ben's podcast.

• 1:12:28Speaker 05

  This could be a.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  This, this could be take of the year, uh, cause so through two games, the Pittsburgh Steelers have scored, I believe it's 16 points on offense. Is that the total points they've scored? They've scored one offensive touchdown. I believe it's 16. They went, they scored 20 points in the first game, but it was TJ Watt, pick six. It was, yeah. So 16 points on offense through two games. Big Ben had a bold take before the season. Do you have it?

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  He sent it to me now.

• 1:12:59Speaker 00

  He's sending it to him.

• 1:13:02Speaker 00

  Oh, I also see, oh.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  Don't say it.

• 1:13:05Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:13:08Speaker 00

  What? I'm just looking at Max's DMs because he's pulled it up.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Where you been chatting? You're a little bit somewhat of a chatty Cathy over there.

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  I mean, I know, I know what's coming. I heard PFT and Quigs yesterday.

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  Chatting with some, some people in the film community. All right, play.

• 1:13:23Speaker 05

  Actually, there's multiple people in the film community.

• 1:13:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Play this. This is for Big Ben before the season, the Pittsburgh Steelers season, uh, that again, they have scored 16 points on offense through two games.

• 1:13:34Speaker 07

  There's a good chance that we will see 30 plus points every game this year.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  Sheesh. You believe that?

• 1:13:40Speaker 07

  I do. I with, with, with, with this offense, an offensive minded coach that wants to outscore you. No, listen, every, every coach wants to, he'll take it 2-0.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  No, no, that's the thing. It's like.

• 1:13:51Speaker 00

  Wait, a defensive coach doesn't want to outscore.

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  Mike Tomlin did not want to outscore the opponent. It just sometimes accidentally happened.

• 1:13:58Speaker 00

  Mike McDonald did the impossible as a defensive head coach. He won the Superbowl without outscoring anyone.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, that's how good that defense is.

• 1:14:06Speaker 00

  Okay. Uh, okay. So what, what, what, I mean, what do we think of this game? I love the under in this game. I.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  The Bengals defense is, is good and they're getting pressure on the quarterback at a absolutely crazy rate. So they've been, they've been so much better without Trey Hendrickson on their defensive line. And it makes, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

• 1:14:32Speaker 00

  Well, it does because of Dexter Lawrence.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  Dexter Lawrence, sexy Dexy.

• 1:14:35Speaker 00

  It changes everything.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Sexy Dexy is, uh, yeah, he's a beast.

• 1:14:37Speaker 00

  He was so, did you see the mic'd up of Dexter Lawrence? He was so mean.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:40Speaker 00

  He's just walking around telling people they're pussies. He was like, your breath stinks. I'm coming for you. Like you're soft. He was just being a bully.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  So they're not, they're not blitzing and they're getting insane amounts of pressure.

• 1:14:51Speaker 00

  That's Dexter Lawrence.

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  They're getting home with four and, uh, it's, it's very impressive what this Bengals defense is doing. Like a complete and utter turnaround. So, uh, they've outscored their opponents in the first halves, 31 to 13. They get off to fast starts and then you can't catch them. Then the pass rush gets after you and you're fucked.

• 1:15:09Speaker 00

  Wait, 31, 13, but the Steelers also come out fast, right?

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  They come out really, really, yeah, very fast.

• 1:15:16Speaker 00

  69 games in a row where they have not scored more than seven points in a first quarter.

• 1:15:20Speaker 02

  But Big Ben says he's expecting 30 points a game this year.

• 1:15:24Speaker 00

  With all that said, I kind of want to bet the Steelers. Hank?

• 1:15:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:15:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:15:29Speaker 04

  They've shown nothing.

• 1:15:30Speaker 00

  Nothing?

• 1:15:31Speaker 04

  Nothing.

• 1:15:31Speaker 00

  Nothing?

• 1:15:35Speaker 00

  Oh, man. Not, you don't think a, a single thing?

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  What if?

• 1:15:40Speaker 00

  I mean, it's, it's, it's.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  What if DK catches those passes?

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  I don't think that would have changed all that much. I think the, the Bengals offense is really good. I think their defense isn't bad. Like,

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  I, there's, the, the Steelers have shown nothing. Like I was, I was bought in on Aaron Rodgers. I believed that the, I was on the same page as Ben Roethlisberger going into this year. And now I'm on the like complete opposite side. I'm not going to just keep going to the well.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Was there anything that they did good last week against you?

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  Defense.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  Their offense was, was horrific.

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  But Aaron, Aaron Rodgers said that he was.

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  And I mean, their, their best, their best receiver was the rookie.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  That was, that was exciting if you're a Steelers fan.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  And yeah, Aaron Rodgers said that he's got to do a better job letting his coach know what plays suck.

• 1:16:28Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:16:28Speaker 02

  So that's, I think.

• 1:16:29Speaker 00

  The same accountability.

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  Communication lines are going to be wide open this week.

• 1:16:33Speaker 00

  I, I'm just, I just keep thinking like, maybe it's still, they still got a little of that Tomlin DNA where this is a perfect Tomlin spot, you know?

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:16:43Speaker 00

  That's that, that is there somewhere. I don't know. They're, they're so bad. They're such a tough watch. Steelers are such a tough watch. But if there was going to be a time, it feels like plus three and a half at home division.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 00

  Bengals feeling themselves a little.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Cause I don't, I don't know how many more games Aaron Rodgers can play this season. If that's, if he's getting hit like that.

• 1:17:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  He got ragdolled a couple of times.

• 1:17:04Speaker 00

  I mean, I did watch that playback and it looked like Aaron Rodgers was just changing the play so many times that offensive line just didn't have any idea what to do. They were all standing up, looking at each other right before he snapped the ball.

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:15Speaker 00

  So, um, okay. Seahawks, commanders, commanders plus seven over under 40 and a half. PFT, how are you feeling about this game?

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  I mean, first of all, I'll get to the commanders in a second, but the Seahawks, we don't talk enough about how dominant the Seahawks are.

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  I do every time when I bring up how many they won in a row, but yes.

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, it's insanely impressive. Not just their 12 straight games that they've won. It's by a combined score of 344 to 162. They've also won, uh, 15 out of their last 16 road games.

• 1:17:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're playing awesome.

• 1:17:47Speaker 02

  Which we should be talking about the Seahawks as being the best team in the NFL.

• 1:17:51Speaker 00

  They're the first team since, uh, 2006 to not allow to play of 20 plus yards through two weeks. I know that's only two weeks, but still that's not a single play over 20 plus yards.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, it's great.

• 1:18:03Speaker 00

  There's a couple that, that could have happened. He would have still been running.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  Yes, there's a few that you can look at, like what, what did they miss out there? The only misstep that they've made, I think so far is their coach went on a podcast and kind of got fucked. It sounds like he got fucked.

• 1:18:18Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  This is not something that, that part of my take would do to a guest.

• 1:18:21Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  But he got, he got fucked. He went on the Graham Besseger show and he talked before the actual interview started about a beef that he had with Coach Sean Payton, where Payton got mad at him a couple of years ago for allegedly using like fan footage.

• 1:18:36Speaker 00

  Which I don't think that's a problem.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  No, like people that went to training camp, took videos of the plays that they were running.

• 1:18:41Speaker 00

  He said, yeah, Mike McDonald said they pieced together like over a hundred videos of all the fans at training camp.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:47Speaker 00

  And were able to kind of decipher what some of their plays were going to be.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  And, and so they had words behind the scenes about that. And then McDonald was also saying that he ran into Sean Payton, I think at the combine and, um, that Sean Payton kind of turtled when he saw him and, uh, had like Twitter fingers about it. So that wasn't meant to get out. He didn't, he didn't know that that was part of the interview.

• 1:19:08Speaker 00

  Although, did you see the, I, I think the Seahawks PR might be on the hot seat.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  They might also, because the, the guy said that he sent the entire interview to them.

• 1:19:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  They might've been under the impression that everything before he started the interview was not going to be part of the interview.

• 1:19:24Speaker 00

  Which I understand. There's definitely times people send me stuff and they're like, watch this. I just don't watch it.

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:28Speaker 00

  I'm like, it's good. And then it goes out and I'm like, wait, what is that?

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  And then would it be a reasonable expectation to think that everything before the interview started would be cut? I don't know. That's, that's.

• 1:19:37Speaker 00

  Well, this guy does do, the Graham Benstner guy, he does do these like, he puts those into some of his shows. The, the pre-interview vibe, what, whatnot.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  But that seems like the only, it's like that. And then, uh, admitting that he hadn't met his son until after the season, um, were the only two big PR missteps that you could say that he's had.

• 1:19:58Speaker 00

  No, he's a really good coach.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Besides that squeaky clean.

• 1:20:00Speaker 00

  I like Mike McDonald a lot.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  You got the?

• 1:20:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm, my bad. I didn't need to.

• 1:20:06Speaker 00

  No, that's okay. Hey, it's fine. It's week three for everyone.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  So, yeah, the, the.

• 1:20:11Speaker 05

  Week three is early.

• 1:20:12Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying. Okay. What about the commander's side?

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Uh, the commanders, Mar, again, Marcus Mariota is not going to be anything special. He's going to be a serviceable backup game manager type guy. I don't think that we've got any chance in hell though of winning this game. Maybe not a chance in hell of covering this game because we're the most injured team that I've ever seen in my life after two weeks in the NFL. So, yeah, like 24 guys on the injury report, we're going to be down. I don't know who's going to be starting. I'm going to learn some guys' names.

• 1:20:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  Cause that's how, that's how beat up the commanders are right now in terms of all the injuries, not just to Jaden. Um, so yeah, I, I think it's going to be ugly again. Uh, and I, I've done some soul searching and some thinking this week, and I've reached the conclusion that I, I personally would like Jay, I would like Jaden to get the elbow surgery, like right now.

• 1:21:00Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  And start that clock.

• 1:21:02Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  I'm more confident than I've been in a long time that Jaden's going to be a, a very good quarterback and the answer for the future of the commanders. But we got to restart that clock right now. It's not his throwing elbow. So that's great news. Two great quarterbacks have had this injury and come back to have very long careers. Drew Brees had it at the Pro Bowl back in like 2008, had a great career after that. Kurt Warner had that same thing happen to him and he was okay. So, um, the fact that it's his left elbow makes me happier, but also I know that if he continues to try to play on it with just the brace and not getting surgery, it's just going to pop out over and over and over again. And that's going to suck for everybody involved. So it's out, now that's where I'm at. Now my problem is I think Jaden's going to want to play.

• 1:21:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  Because he posted the, uh, Allen Iverson clip of, uh, everything he's going through, making him stronger. If you're posting AI clips, Allen Iverson, Hank, not AI. I know that's a touchy thing, but if you're doing that, you're not taking the mindset of I'm going to be out for the next year. You're getting fired up about coming back in like three weeks and I don't think that's a good idea.

• 1:22:05Speaker 00

  Max?

• 1:22:07Speaker 05

  Hi, uh, Max Delente, part of my take podcast over here. Mr. Commenter, this week there was a clip of, that went a little bit viral of you calling Jaden Dan, or Caleb Williams a pussy.

• 1:22:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:19Speaker 05

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  Giant pussy.

• 1:22:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:21Speaker 04

  What, where was that?

• 1:22:22Speaker 05

  There's other people in the media that are actually reporting that Jaden Daniels may actually be the pussy.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:22:28Speaker 05

  What are your thoughts on that?

• 1:22:29Speaker 04

  Giant pussy or just pussy?

• 1:22:30Speaker 00

  May I step in for my client real quick before?

• 1:22:32Speaker 05

  In reference.

• 1:22:33Speaker 00

  Before he talks about this?

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:34Speaker 00

  I want to say that we categorically, uh, disavow any of this talk. Any pussy talk whatsoever.

• 1:22:40Speaker 04

  Giant pussy.

• 1:22:41Speaker 00

  Giant pussy, little pussy, tiny pussy, big pussy. I don't care.

• 1:22:45Speaker 05

  Big pussy.

• 1:22:46Speaker 00

  Emotional game.

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  Go ahead. I was, uh, I was also clearly like making a joke about the two opposite situations of the quarterback.

• 1:22:52Speaker 05

  I know, but that, that was something that was, that was going around the internet streets this week.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  Right. I mean.

• 1:22:57Speaker 05

  And now Kurt Warner.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  Do I think, do I?

• 1:22:59Speaker 05

  Kurt Warner is basically calling Jaden Daniels a pussy.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  Do I think that I'm tougher than Caleb Williams? Absolutely.

• 1:23:04Speaker 05

  All right, good.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Was I also joking? Yeah. Both things. Um, what did Kurt Warner say? I didn't, I didn't see that.

• 1:23:09Speaker 00

  He said, I played through a dislocated.

• 1:23:11Speaker 05

  I played, I played through a dislocated left elbow. Jaden Daniels can if he really wants to.

• 1:23:16Speaker 00

  He's basically calling him a pussy.

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. I mean, I.

• 1:23:18Speaker 00

  Trying to get his bullshit.

• 1:23:19Speaker 05

  Which is insane.

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  Kurt Warner, good for him. Uh, I'm, I'm glad that he was able to do it. It looks insanely painful. There's no way that's not painful. We all saw it. Your elbow bending backwards.

• 1:23:31Speaker 00

  Well, the commanders. Offensively, I didn't see it.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  That's the other thing is so like that's it been been addressed and everybody in the locker room was like, yeah, it's insane that people are actually making this a story.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  They should have. They should have name checked Hank. That would have been.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  They should have. And and there's, there's also like a ton of clips.

• 1:23:46Speaker 05

  The grin on Hank's face, the grin on Hank's face when he just said that.

• 1:23:50Speaker 00

  But how funny would that be if like, if if one of the commanders, offensive players, just like, yeah, that Henry Lockwood, fuck him. Thirty-three years old. Fuck him.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a, there's a ton of clips of the defense running over to him and like taking knees and Josh Connerly, their left tackle, like crying while standing next to him. It it's what I I said it was on Wednesday's show, which is the half ended, the referees told them to leave the field and go to locker rooms. And so some of them did not turn around. But the ones that did see him, they went up to him immediately. It's it's a non-story.

• 1:24:18Speaker 04

  Agreed. That's why I'm happy I didn't take a definitive take.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  Good.

• 1:24:21Speaker 04

  And was just trying to clarify the situation, which has now been clarified.

• 1:24:24Speaker 00

  Right. It's so much of a non-story. We've, we've talked about it every single episode.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  We we are, we are starting to hear.

• 1:24:30Speaker 05

  People want to know that. That's.

• 1:24:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a non-story.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  I'm glad that Hank.

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  For the record, it was, I asked if it was A I. It was not.

• 1:24:36Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  I'm glad that Hank's bringing it up.

• 1:24:39Speaker 00

  Community noted, not.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  These are good conversations that need to happen.

• 1:24:43Speaker 00

  Important conversation.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  People, the thing is like.

• 1:24:45Speaker 00

  People jump to conclusions.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Today's an age, like everyone is, they hate each other all high and behind the screen. It's important to have these type of conversations face to face.

• 1:24:52Speaker 00

  Face to face.

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  And build bridges with people that we might not have common ground with. So I appreciate Hank bringing this to my desk.

• 1:24:58Speaker 00

  Thank you, Hank.

• 1:24:59Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  My desk thanks you. I have seen the the start of the conversation about whether or not they should proceed with talks of giving Jaden the fifth year or discussing an extension.

• 1:25:10Speaker 00

  Ah, that always gets tricky with injuries. Yeah.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  To me, the answer is a very, very easy yes.

• 1:25:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  Yes, at a hundred.

• 1:25:18Speaker 00

  But when is what they're probably asking, right?

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think they're mostly talking about the timing of everything. If Hank, I know that you're a big chart guy, big chart talk guy.

• 1:25:26Speaker 04

  Graph.

• 1:25:27Speaker 02

  I saw a graph with talking about which quarterbacks get better during close games from twenty seventeen through twenty twenty-six. And Jaden Daniels is the outlier that it's, he is the guy that raises his performance. He's already.

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  Twenty twenty-five and.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  What's up?

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  Twenty twenty-six doesn't really matter for Jaden.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  It's through today. And we don't know. He might come back in a couple of weeks.

• 1:25:49Speaker 00

  Twenty twenty-five didn't really matter either.

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  But there were some games in which I was told that Jaden looked really, really bad.

• 1:25:57Speaker 05

  Twenty, he played one game in twenty twenty-six and he lost that game.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  That's, he played two games.

• 1:26:02Speaker 05

  Well, one of the.

• 1:26:03Speaker 04

  Thanks for Googling graph talk, Max.

• 1:26:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:08Speaker 00

  Not even Googling.

• 1:26:09Speaker 05

  Sometimes.

• 1:26:10Speaker 02

  But and this.

• 1:26:11Speaker 00

  This, he's our stenographer.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  This might be cope, and I'm willing to accept the fact that I might be, I might be just freebasing cope, which is what you kind of have to do when your quarterback gets insanely injured. But the half that I saw him play against the Cowboys before he got injured, that's as good as.

• 1:26:28Speaker 00

  The year?

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  That's it. What's up?

• 1:26:30Speaker 00

  Half of the year?

• 1:26:31Speaker 02

  It was the half of the year. It's, it's the best I think I've ever seen him play. And granted, the Cowboys' defense is not very good. But if you watch that and then you take into account the fact that he had one pass that traveled like sixty yards in the air and missed the hands of his receiver by about a foot, which is still like a good throw. It doesn't count, obviously, but like I'm a process guy, not a results guy.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  From last week?

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:52Speaker 00

  Half of the year.

• 1:26:53Speaker 04

  That was such an overthrow.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  He missed his hands by about a.

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  It hit his hands.

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  About a foot. Yeah. Okay. Hey, what do you say, Hank?

• 1:26:59Speaker 04

  If you can touch it, you can catch it. But let's, let's, let's be honest. That was a bad throw.

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  You can touch it. You can catch it. A very smart man.

• 1:27:04Speaker 04

  That you, that.

• 1:27:06Speaker 00

  Half of the year, Hank. Respect the half of the year.

• 1:27:08Speaker 04

  You just said basically he threw a ball sixty yards.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  And think that you should move on from that guy. That's, that's all I'm getting at, is he was fully back and now he's not, and that sucks. And again, I am coping. I admit that I'm coping on this.

• 1:27:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  You'd be coping too.

• 1:27:23Speaker 04

  True.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  So this is, this is the most productive leg of the.

• 1:27:26Speaker 00

  The commanders have any chance of winning this game?

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  No. Zero, zero point, zero point, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. It's going to get very, very ugly. And having Mike Sanders still on the outside, maybe covering JSN is going to be disgusting. I don't know what happened with Mikey since his rookie year where he looked awesome. But he's just completely lost back there. I hope he figures out. But I think, I think if he is matched up against JSN and Drew Lock slinging it back there, not afraid to take chances, we could see a two hundred yard game from JSN this weekend, if that's going to be his matchup.

• 1:27:58Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  I don't think that it will, because if it starts bad, they might just pull him and get Mikey out of the game. But it's, it's been that bad.

• 1:28:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think Seahawks probably win. Although, I mean,

• 1:28:10Speaker 00

  cross-country, desperate team, oh and two versus two and oh. I just don't know how their offense, the commander's offense is going to move the ball.

• 1:28:18Speaker 02

  Here's what's going to happen is ideally, I think either way, Dan Quinn is fired at the end. I don't, I don't see a way that it gets better for him, because if Jaden comes back in a couple of weeks, I think he's going to get injured unfortunately again. I don't think that elbow is going to be magically stable. And if that happens, you almost have to fire him on the spot.

• 1:28:36Speaker 00

  Right. For letting him play.

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  Yes. And if he doesn't come back and gets the surgery, I see, I don't see this team winning a whole lot of football games. And I don't know that you're going to want to bring him back and trust what right now is a very delicate future with your quarterback.

• 1:28:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  To a coach that has not proven that he can do anything and is a defensive coach. I think at that point, it would probably be a young offensive mind that you would bring in.

• 1:29:00Speaker 00

  Declan Doyle?

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  Hope that they can grow together. The bar, the bar owner?

• 1:29:04Speaker 00

  Declan Doyle.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  The financier?

• 1:29:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:07Speaker 02

  We'll see. But yeah, that's where I'm at. So in conclusion, not good.

• 1:29:12Speaker 00

  What if, no, I actually don't want to say.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  Say, no, whatever. It was what if Wednesday yesterday. We can talk about it.

• 1:29:19Speaker 00

  What if the commanders fired Dan Quinn and brought in uh, an offensive guru, genius who's also has some head coaching experience?

• 1:29:31Speaker 02

  Are you talking about a guy that was in Florida for a while?

• 1:29:36Speaker 00

  I'm not talking about a guy that was in Florida.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought you were talking about Mike McDaniel.

• 1:29:41Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  You're talking about Josh McDaniel?

• 1:29:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:29:44Speaker 02

  That would be, that would be.

• 1:29:45Speaker 04

  Please, you can have him. You can have him.

• 1:29:47Speaker 00

  Very funny twists of the pardon my take world.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Well, I've, I've openly speculated the last couple of years how funny it's going to be when he gets another job. I've been told that it's not happening on this show.

• 1:29:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  But I've, I've laughed about the possibility of some poor schmuck franchise having to deal with hiring him as a head coach for the third time.

• 1:30:08Speaker 00

  And I feel fine saying, because you did say when we were, when we were thinking about hiring Ben Johnson, like it would be funny if the Bears hired Mike McCarthy. And I agreed, it would have been very funny. So this would have been a funny.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  And this, yeah, this would be ultimate like me calling my shot. And at that point, I, I think I might just have to be a the biggest Josh McDaniel's fan in the entire world.

• 1:30:27Speaker 00

  That's.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  He didn't get enough time with Tebow.

• 1:30:29Speaker 00

  No. Or in Indy.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Or in Indy, yeah.

• 1:30:32Speaker 00

  Or in Vegas.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Well, no, in Indy, he just.

• 1:30:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, in Indy, he just went to the bathroom.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  No, other way around.

• 1:30:38Speaker 00

  Oh, other way around.

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  He didn't take the, that's actually maybe, maybe showing growth and evaluation.

• 1:30:42Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  This guy's been in the bathroom too long. I can't do it.

• 1:30:44Speaker 00

  Right. Okay.

• 1:30:46Speaker 02

  Things ended up good in Vegas, though. I'm sure it'll be fine.

• 1:30:48Speaker 00

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• 1:31:26Speaker 00

  a great time. We love Twisted Tea, the Half and Half, the Peach, the Original. Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. Keep it twisted with Twisted Tea. Okay, last game of the early slate, Patriots at Jaguars. Jaguars minus three, over under forty-five and a half. How are you feeling, Henry?

• 1:31:45Speaker 04

  I'm feeling good. I'm feeling excited. Prove it game.

• 1:31:48Speaker 00

  Prove it game.

• 1:31:49Speaker 04

  Another, another good team.

• 1:31:52Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:31:53Speaker 04

  Underdogs. Vrabel and Drake May are great as underdogs. I'm worried about, I mean, Josh McDaniel's has had a, has a really bad start to the year. Hopefully this is when they.

• 1:32:04Speaker 00

  Don't talk about.

• 1:32:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, it's, he's been, he's been, he's been terrible.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  I just cannot become a running bit that I'm going to have to think about Josh McDaniel as my head coach.

• 1:32:13Speaker 04

  Well, I think, I don't like, if they keep playing as bad as they have, they're not, he's not even going to get an offer.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  I can't, I can't deal with photoshops of him wearing broken knee gold. That's going to, that's going to send me off the cliff.

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  So they've been good as underdogs? You said Vrabel and Drake May?

• 1:32:29Speaker 04

  Uh, yes. The, they're five and oh against the spread as road underdogs, including five and oh against the first half spread.

• 1:32:36Speaker 00

  Well, let's, let's, what are we doing here? What, what are we doing?

• 1:32:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's, let's do it.

• 1:32:40Speaker 00

  Let's talk. Let's see what Glenn has.

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  There's no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Max, not yet. Max, not yet. I, I do have some questions for Hank before we get into it.

• 1:32:50Speaker 00

  Like, I feel like. We're not going to ruin no one wants.

• 1:32:53Speaker 02

  We're not, we're not going to, I do have some questions.

• 1:32:58Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  For Hank. Do you have, has your faith in Drake May and his future taken any hits at all this season?

• 1:33:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:33:07Speaker 02

  Okay. The, what about the, he's thrown four interceptions through two weeks?

• 1:33:11Speaker 04

  Uh, you just talked a lot about how good the Seahawks' defense is and are talking about how people aren't talking about enough.

• 1:33:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:33:16Speaker 04

  And last week, the interception, which I said on the show was bad, was tipped.

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. Max, can you, can you play? That actually is directly relevant to the film that I was.

• 1:33:28Speaker 00

  You?

• 1:33:29Speaker 05

  You?

• 1:33:29Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:33:30Speaker 00

  Glenn.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  That I was watching.

• 1:33:31Speaker 05

  Got it, got it, got it.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  I saw this tweet earlier. Can you start from the beginning? And it's.

• 1:33:34Speaker 04

  Three fifty-seven.

• 1:33:35Speaker 02

  It's four minutes long. So yeah, turn the sound up. But I think you, we can learn something.

• 1:33:39Speaker 00

  What if Wednesday's?

• 1:33:42Speaker 00

  This is NFL Tape Watch with Glenn.

• 1:33:44Speaker 06

  Hey, welcome back to What If Wednesdays. It's me, Glenn, and happy you're back. Thanks to all my new followers out there on social media. Make sure to like and subscribe across all platforms. And a big bonus thank you to all the Glenn-lemen out there. You guys are very Glenn-rous. So make sure to like, subscribe, and for bonus coverage, Premium Plus, become a Glenn-eman, and party like a watch star. Party like a watch star. This week, we're gonna jump back into some more Drake May. I know we addressed some of his concept analysis last week, when he was struggling finding the open man in coverage. That wasn't so much the issue this week. It's good to see him move on from that and progress as a not just thrower, but as a passer. He had a bad game last week. There's no way fans are butts about it, but I have reason to believe we're going to get a bounce back game coming up against the Jaguars.

• 1:34:29Speaker 06

  I actually like the Patriots, Drake, to be a certified cover boy this week against the Jaguars. I'll tell you why. It was always gonna be a chess match last week. Patrick Graham, former Patriots coach, he won a Super Bowl New England 2014. He's now the defensive coordinator for the Steelers, and it was a chess match. Why do I say that? Well, watch this extremely underthrown ball by May, resulting in a super easy interception. It's Patrick Queen on the back end. You don't get too many interceptions as easy as that. I call it a chess match. There's a black queen making May look like a white rook. May hits Hunter Henry on this open pass right here, and he was open. Sayonara, cowboy. He's still running.

• 1:35:11Speaker 00

  He said it.

• 1:35:12Speaker 06

  Okay, so that's the bad. The good news is, this is correctable. First off, Drake counts every on the field before the snap, but like that, yep, there's 11 out there. And as the pocket collapses, and we all know the Patriots hate deep pockets, mostly because Will Campbell can't reach his tiny arms to the bottom of them to get his phone out. The ball's actually tipped as the pocket comes in. The ball is tipped on the line of scrimmage. If we enhance it, you can see the ball's tipped, and May has bad tip luck yet again. And I'd never blame tips on a quarterback. It's not the quarterback's fault. It's either on wide receiver, if they're running under the defensive pad leverage, or it could be on the media for being negative. So it's not the quarterback's fault. May's tip luck has to improve tremendously. I expect it to, because I went back and I ran

• 1:35:57Speaker 06

  the numbers on his first three seasons in the NFL, or really two seasons and change, and Drake May has the worst tip luck of any quarterback. Again, like, these picks, they're not his fault. They come on tips, and that's not up to the quarterback. It's What If Wednesday. So I thought, what if defensive players didn't have arms? No tip balls. Well, Drake May, he would be one of the best. Maybe one of the best all time. Here's a simulation. This is what it'll look like against the Steelers. As you can see, the ball falls harmlessly to the ground if defensive lineman had no, no hands, no fingers. Means he got no arms, no elbows. And maybe, it might be a good thing for a slow start right here, if you get to offensive.

• 1:36:41Speaker 00

  I mean, look at the, look at the lack of arms, sir.

• 1:36:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, there's a lot of reason to think that this can build the season.

• 1:36:46Speaker 00

  No picks. What if Wednesday?

• 1:36:48Speaker 06

  Look like against the Jaguars. No tip, no pick.

• 1:36:51Speaker 00

  This is what it might look like.

• 1:36:52Speaker 06

  Falls harmlessly to the ground. So, just a visualization like this tells you how much better Drake May could be.

• 1:36:57Speaker 00

  See?

• 1:36:58Speaker 06

  If you just take out all the tips. So I expect that tip luck to regress, and for Drake May to elevate by not accidentally having defenders kind of throw their hands up in prayer, and you know, just like through, through butterfly effect and almost chaos theory and just the random lottery of birth, this guy's hand happened to be in that exact piece of airspace at the same moment that Drake May was throwing a surefire touchdown to his tight end. You can't expect that to happen too many times. I expect the Patriots to cover, and cover big this weekend. So again, thank you for tuning in to NFL Tape Watch. This has been Glenn, and until next week, hit the button for me, the sound effect. He's still running.

• 1:37:40Speaker 06

  Sorry.

• 1:37:40Speaker 00

  Hank?

• 1:37:41Speaker 02

  He agrees with you. It wasn't Drake's fault. The ball was tipped.

• 1:37:45Speaker 00

  Thanks, Hank?

• 1:37:49Speaker 04

  I mean, it was tough to follow up the first week. That wasn't, that wasn't his best stuff, but it was, it was.

• 1:37:53Speaker 05

  That was pretty good. I thought that was pretty good.

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  The guys didn't have arms, Hank.

• 1:37:57Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:37:58Speaker 04

  I like, I like, I like the Patriots to cover and cover big time.

• 1:38:02Speaker 02

  That would have been such a great pass.

• 1:38:03Speaker 04

  Certified cover boy.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  It would have been such a great pass from Drake if that guy didn't have arms.

• 1:38:06Speaker 05

  I like the B-roll that you started with in the beginning of, of Tape Watch of Jalen Hurts' interception.

• 1:38:12Speaker 02

  Oh, that Glenn started with, yeah.

• 1:38:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean Glenn, Glenn, Glenn, sorry.

• 1:38:16Speaker 00

  You gonna win this game, Hank?

• 1:38:17Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:38:17Speaker 00

  Yeah?

• 1:38:18Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:38:18Speaker 00

  Confident?

• 1:38:19Speaker 04

  Very confident.

• 1:38:20Speaker 00

  Okay. What's the news on AJ Brown? Is he coming back soon?

• 1:38:24Speaker 04

  Uh, he's on the IR for six weeks. I don't, I don't think anything's changed.

• 1:38:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:38:29Speaker 05

  Positive update on Patriots wide receiver AJ Brown's ankle.

• 1:38:32Speaker 00

  What's the positive update?

• 1:38:37Speaker 00

  Drake May on downfield throws 10-plus area yards this season, zero touchdowns, four interceptions. I mean, the Seahawks defense is really good. This is a game that, well, I guess without AJ Brown, but your offense should look good.

• 1:38:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:49Speaker 05

  Schefter said the original projected six-to-eight week timeline now looks closer to the six-week side.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  Okay, that's good. That's good.

• 1:38:58Speaker 00

  Emphasis to start fast this week was what Drake May said in the media. Find completions early and stretch the field still when able to. So fast start.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  And I don't know if the Jaguars are going to be able to, or what the issue is, but they're starting to have to answer some questions about Travis Hunter not being.

• 1:39:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've read a lot. That's, that's everything I was reading about the Jaguars. It's like, he needs to be playing every, every snap at cornerback.

• 1:39:22Speaker 02

  It's crazy what they gave up to trade up for. If they're not gonna play him, that's, that's kind of nuts. And I don't know if it's that they can't figure out if he should be playing offense more or defense more, but he's gotta do something.

• 1:39:32Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  You should have him doing one of those two things.

• 1:39:35Speaker 00

  Uh, also something to watch, the Patriots have been blitzing at 41% through two games, and Trevor Lawrence against the blitz has not been good through the start of this season. So just something to watch. If they're gonna blitz him, they're gonna heat him up.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  Oh, one other story that was out there. Harry Kane.

• 1:39:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  Said that he wants to become an NFL kicker after he retires from soccer, or maybe possibly while he's playing in the MLS at the end of his career.

• 1:39:59Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:40:00Speaker 02

  He's a big Patriots fan.

• 1:40:02Speaker 00

  Oh, he is?

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you would think, like, maybe he ideally would like to play for the Patriots.

• 1:40:08Speaker 00

  That'd be pretty crazy.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:10Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm sure.

• 1:40:10Speaker 04

  I would like him to do it. I wouldn't like him on the Patriots, but I would like to see him.

• 1:40:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, that's ripe for getting made fun of if he misses a kick.

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  Like, that, he needs to be doing that for, like, the Dolphins.

• 1:40:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:23Speaker 00

  Playing with Messi in Miami.

• 1:40:25Speaker 02

  There's not too many, like, six-yard field goals.

• 1:40:27Speaker 04

  And for a team that doesn't, like, they need, you know, they're not in the playoff contention, so it's like, this is, this is a fun thing to watch.

• 1:40:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  Sell tickets.

• 1:40:35Speaker 00

  Come out and see. Okay, afternoon games. Cardinals at Niners. Uh, the Niners are eight-and-a-half point favorites, over/under's 47.5. Listen, I think the Cardinals beating the, the Chargers week one said a lot more about the Chargers than it does the Cardinals. I don't think the Cardinals are very good. I think the Niners should easily win this game.

• 1:40:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. The Cardinals have lost seven straight division games, and Brock Purdy looks like he's playing at the peak of his Brock Purdy powers.

• 1:41:05Speaker 00

  And, yeah.

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was just gonna say, this, this does feel like, uh, Raheem Morris is going to kind of bring, uh, what's the Cardinals think they might have going back to earth a little bit?

• 1:41:16Speaker 00

  And the Cardinals, the, the discourse about Marvin Harrison has gotten to, like, every time I open up the internet, it's just Marvin Harrison tape being like, what happened to this guy? Jacoby Brissette, we liked Jacoby Brissette. We stood by him in his holdout, uh, which we documented and covered extensively. Maybe not the best quote from Jacoby Brissette when he was asked about Jeremiah, or sorry, not Jeremiah, uh, Marvin Harrison Jr. He said, "We just signed Mike Wilson at 25 million. Nobody's complaining about him having two catches."

• 1:41:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's actually worse than you think. Worse than what you're asking me about. In fact, if I keep talking, the problem, the problem might be me.

• 1:41:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, I don't think it is him. I think, I don't know, Big Cat, you, you watched more Ohio State games than I did.

• 1:42:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Speaker 02

  It didn't look like this when he was in college.

• 1:42:07Speaker 00

  No, I mean, it's, I mean, college is obviously a very different game, and when you're playing against, uh, some of the bad teams in the Big Ten, you can get open very easily. But yeah, it, it, I thought he was gonna be very good.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  He was able to run routes with sharp corners.

• 1:42:24Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  And, and look like he was getting separation because of his misdirection and stopping and starting. And now, everything's rounded, and he's kind of coast, I don't know.

• 1:42:34Speaker 00

  Low thing, yeah.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  I don't know what's going on.

• 1:42:36Speaker 00

  I don't either. It doesn't look good. He also said that he sees everything. Uh, we're talking about the criticism. That feels like a bad strategy.

• 1:42:44Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:45Speaker 00

  Cause there's a lot Marvin Harrison. Maybe that's why you're not playing so well, is because you're, like, spending so much time looking at everything. Cause if you see everything in terms of criticism, I don't know how you have time to sleep.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  There's not.

• 1:42:57Speaker 00

  There's so much criticism.

• 1:42:58Speaker 02

  There's a lot of criticism.

• 1:42:59Speaker 00

  There's a ton of criticism.

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  And for the record, um, we support the Harrison family and, uh, everything that they have, you know, been about, and, uh, just big fans of, of Maserati Marvin is, is proud pop. So, uh, best of luck to them moving forward.

• 1:43:13Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, well said.

• 1:43:16Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:43:16Speaker 00

  Well said. I think that, uh, the Niners are gonna win easily. That's all I got for this game. This is one of those games where it's like, that will be on, but come on. It, I expect it to be a, a boat race.

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:28Speaker 00

  Uh, Vikings, Bucks. Bucks plus one and a half, over/under 42.5. Let's see. This is another desperation spot. Do you like him, Hank?

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:43:39Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  Maybe Kyler Murray back?

• 1:43:41Speaker 00

  Or just the Chargers?

• 1:43:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, Patriots.

• 1:43:44Speaker 00

  Kyler Murray might be back. Bucks really need this. I don't know. I think I'm gonna probably, I mean, the Bucks have not covered in 11 straight. Zach, talk us, tell us how the Bucks can win this game.

• 1:43:56Speaker 04

  This is a redemption home opener.

• 1:43:58Speaker 00

  A redemption home opener?

• 1:43:59Speaker 04

  Yes. Chance of, chance of delays again.

• 1:44:03Speaker 00

  How is it a redemption home opener?

• 1:44:05Speaker 04

  We had a home opener last week, didn't go as planned. This is the redim.

• 1:44:09Speaker 00

  Redoing it?

• 1:44:10Speaker 04

  Yes, and we've.

• 1:44:10Speaker 02

  Do you normally get, like, a second shot at it?

• 1:44:14Speaker 04

  I mean, we've, we've historically said on the show, football starts week three.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:44:17Speaker 04

  So, week one, week two, don't really think too much about it. Week three, we go. Then we get Jacob Parrish back on defense. I'll be big. Uh, and yeah, honestly, I'm speaking emotionally because if we don't win this game, it's tough.

• 1:44:30Speaker 00

  No, if you don't win this game, it's over.

• 1:44:31Speaker 04

  Done.

• 1:44:32Speaker 00

  It's absolutely over.

• 1:44:33Speaker 04

  Last time we started 0-2 in a season, we went, I believe we went 2-4.

• 1:44:36Speaker 03

  Fourteen, so this is, this is a breaking point here, I think.

• 1:44:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:40Speaker 03

  Unfortunately.

• 1:44:41Speaker 00

  Crossroads.

• 1:44:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:42Speaker 00

  Eleven straight games against the spread you've lost. That's so impressive.

• 1:44:47Speaker 03

  You need everyone to hear that.

• 1:44:49Speaker 00

  I actually was saying, I, I said it on web. I was like, if you get over ten games, like lost streak against the spread, you should start losing draft picks and shit. Because you're not only hurt, you're not only hurting your team, but you're hurting your fans because your fans are most likely to bet on your team. So like you should, you should be punished. You should have to, when you get to eight, nine against the spread losses, your team should have the desperation for the whole community.

• 1:45:16Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. This would be the spread breaker is when they do it.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  Hey, you were saying that there might be a delay again?

• 1:45:22Speaker 04

  There's chance of thunderstorms again.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. I don't like that.

• 1:45:25Speaker 00

  Nope.

• 1:45:26Speaker 02

  I don't like that for Tampa.

• 1:45:27Speaker 00

  I mean, this, I kind of, I kind of like it in this one because this one would be like almost a night game. If they came back.

• 1:45:35Speaker 02

  If this one's finished, it might finish during the first half of Sunday night football.

• 1:45:39Speaker 04

  This also though, this was from Ashley, the weather girl on Barstool Sports Advisors. And then we were looking up some of it app and, and.

• 1:45:46Speaker 00

  Nothing.

• 1:45:47Speaker 04

  I think she might just improv the weather.

• 1:45:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I, I know she does.

• 1:45:51Speaker 04

  Like I'm looking at Sunday and it's, there's not even a chance of rain.

• 1:45:54Speaker 02

  I wasn't going to say anything, but the weather that I had written down was.

• 1:45:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, like that, yeah.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  High of eighty six.

• 1:45:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause she said that about Jacksonville too.

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:02Speaker 04

  And it's also the same.

• 1:46:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  Or is she making up the weather?

• 1:46:05Speaker 04

  I, there's a chance. There's, there's a chance.

• 1:46:07Speaker 00

  I actually respect the fuck out of that.

• 1:46:10Speaker 05

  Watch it happen now. That would be crazy. Yeah.

• 1:46:13Speaker 03

  She's a witch. Defense, trying to predict the Florida weather a week out, impossible.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  You know what they say about the weather?

• 1:46:18Speaker 03

  By hour place.

• 1:46:19Speaker 02

  You know what they say about the weather in Tampa?

• 1:46:20Speaker 03

  What do they say?

• 1:46:21Speaker 02

  If you don't like it, just change, just wait five minutes.

• 1:46:23Speaker 03

  That is true.

• 1:46:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:26Speaker 00

  Is Ruben Bain hurt?

• 1:46:28Speaker 03

  Ruben Bain, maybe not a hundred percent.

• 1:46:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  What, Max?

• 1:46:33Speaker 05

  I don't know. I thought that was funny. I was more so thinking you started to just change it.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I messed it up.

• 1:46:39Speaker 05

  But I like that better. If you don't, if you don't like the weather, just, just change it, change the weather.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  I think over the course of part of my take ten years, I think I've said that same phrase about forty five different cities.

• 1:46:49Speaker 00

  Easily.

• 1:46:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:46:51Speaker 02

  Just change it. Oh, that's what Ashley does, I think.

• 1:46:54Speaker 05

  Change it.

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  Just change it.

• 1:46:55Speaker 00

  I also don't like Todd Bowles saying we're oh and two, not oh and nine or oh and eleven. Yes, you are. You're oh and eleven in your last eleven against spread. You can't say, you are.

• 1:47:04Speaker 02

  Also, yeah, you're oh and two, but it's a bad two.

• 1:47:08Speaker 00

  It's a, it's a, just a continuation of last year.

• 1:47:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a really bad two.

• 1:47:13Speaker 00

  It's a really bad two.

• 1:47:14Speaker 03

  Todd Bowles believes in his guys.

• 1:47:15Speaker 00

  Second one was really, the Bengals, I get Bengals has looked good.

• 1:47:19Speaker 03

  We don't talk about week two.

• 1:47:20Speaker 00

  Week two.

• 1:47:21Speaker 03

  We don't talk about, no.

• 1:47:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm almost willing to say you got thunderfucked.

• 1:47:26Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  And I might be willing to look past that if you beat the Vikings. That might just be a, a thunderfucking that you got and everybody would have lost that game to the Browns.

• 1:47:36Speaker 03

  This is when we thunderstruck.

• 1:47:37Speaker 02

  Yes, come back, bounce back, redemption.

• 1:47:39Speaker 03

  Week three football.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  Red now.

• 1:47:40Speaker 00

  Yes. All right. Uh, Ravens, Cowboys in Brazil. Cowboys plus three and a half, over, under fifty two and a half. Go ahead, Hank.

• 1:47:48Speaker 04

  Really excited for this game. Love the Cowboys.

• 1:47:50Speaker 00

  You right, you, you excited for the, the, the bad turf that's going to probably get someone injured?

• 1:47:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, because there aren't injuries every single week in the NFL. We haven't had like a hundred already this year.

• 1:47:59Speaker 00

  But a injury international is way worse.

• 1:48:04Speaker 04

  Injury is injury. You guys know that.

• 1:48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, we do. Yeah. Well, not always. Sometimes it can be a hurt.

• 1:48:11Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. I think this, this turf shit is bothering me though. It actually is.

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  So the turf was bad for the Eagles game, but this is a different stadium.

• 1:48:20Speaker 00

  But it's apparently the turf is still bad.

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  I'm hearing bad things about the turf.

• 1:48:24Speaker 00

  I, I, I've heard that the, the, the little soccer, soccer boys, you know, because they don't weigh a lot, they can, they can run around on this turf. You put big, strong American men on there.

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:48:35Speaker 00

  And it breaks.

• 1:48:35Speaker 02

  They, they don't have grass that can handle our, our big feet.

• 1:48:39Speaker 00

  Correct. We say memes.

• 1:48:40Speaker 02

  Our big boys.

• 1:48:41Speaker 05

  I just found out that in Brazil and I think it's bullshit.

• 1:48:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:48:45Speaker 05

  This is, this is, this is supposed to be a really good game.

• 1:48:47Speaker 00

  This should be a game in Dallas. It should be the game of the week in Dallas and it would be very fun to watch.

• 1:48:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, forty to thirty five. That's what the final score would have been.

• 1:48:54Speaker 00

  Now it's going to be, well, we might even get it because of the slipping. Slipping does help the offense, I always assume. Because the offense knows where they're going.

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would agree with that.

• 1:49:04Speaker 00

  You know?

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  Do we know what the, uh, travel situation is going to be like for the Ravens? Cause I know the Cowboys are leaving Thursday night.

• 1:49:11Speaker 00

  Uh, I don't, but I mean, obviously same time zone.

• 1:49:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:13Speaker 00

  Or maybe one off, whatever.

• 1:49:15Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:49:16Speaker 00

  That is the nice part about going to Brazil.

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  And the butts.

• 1:49:20Speaker 00

  You like the Cowboys?

• 1:49:21Speaker 04

  Love the Cowboys.

• 1:49:23Speaker 00

  I do think the Ravens, like, I mean, they do lose their week two game. It feels like every year. So I wonder how they've bounced back from that. Remember they lost to the Raiders? Was it last year or the year before?

• 1:49:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, that was really strange.

• 1:49:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. I don't know what to make of this game. I would, I would have a bet on this game if it wasn't in Brazil.

• 1:49:41Speaker 02

  I think, I mean, the Cowboys offense looks legit.

• 1:49:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, they should be legit. They have so many fucking dudes.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:49Speaker 00

  It should be awesome.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  What do you think about this quote from Zay Flowers? Who I, I don't know, is he playing? I don't think that he is.

• 1:49:56Speaker 00

  I don't think so, but maybe. They probably, uh, they don't have anyone else.

• 1:50:01Speaker 04

  The Ravens are seven and three straight up and eight and two against the spread the week after they lose, uh, at home when they're leading by more than one possession.

• 1:50:09Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:50:10Speaker 04

  Since twenty twenty.

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  What do you think about this quote?

• 1:50:12Speaker 04

  So they're good at bouncing back though.

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:14Speaker 00

  Flowers did not practice on Wednesday.

• 1:50:16Speaker 02

  Here's a quote from him. You ain't got to like me. You ain't got to respect me. Just don't disrespect me.

• 1:50:22Speaker 00

  I didn't have a strong opinion about Zay Flowers.

• 1:50:24Speaker 04

  So you, so you can not respect him, but when not respecting him.

• 1:50:29Speaker 00

  Disrespect.

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  But you can't disrespect.

• 1:50:30Speaker 04

  Disrespectful.

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't have to respect him, but also don't, but you can't disrespect him.

• 1:50:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, that, that's a quote.

• 1:50:36Speaker 04

  You just got to toe the line between not respecting.

• 1:50:38Speaker 02

  I think you have to be completely ambivalent to Zay Flowers' existence and that's okay.

• 1:50:42Speaker 00

  Did you guys have a strong opinion about Zay Flowers?

• 1:50:44Speaker 04

  I think he's good.

• 1:50:45Speaker 00

  I think, no, no, not, not his skill. I'm saying like his, like personality.

• 1:50:49Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:50:49Speaker 02

  I know, just like I, I forgot about him.

• 1:50:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  So. I guess he's fine with that.

• 1:50:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:50:58Speaker 02

  He is a really good football player.

• 1:51:00Speaker 00

  I'm going to probably just take the over and be so mad with the turf socks. That's just going to happen.

• 1:51:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:06Speaker 00

  Okay, Saints minus three, over, under forty three and a half. Kirk over Shuck. Tyler Shuck, they, he's got to start early. They got to, the, the Saints got to get out faster than they have. I feel like you can't get in a hole again. The Raiders two and oh, like I think it's a, I don't think the Raiders are going to end up being a playoff team, but I don't think they're gonna, I don't think it's like such a fluke that they started two and oh.

• 1:51:30Speaker 02

  So, yeah, I, I think it's a, a little bit maybe.

• 1:51:35Speaker 00

  The, the, the Dolphins, Dolphins are the worst team.

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  They're a pretty bad team. They, they had a favorable schedule, I guess. And Kirk Cousins has been playing very well.

• 1:51:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  There's like no, you can't doubt that. He's been making some, some great throws and, uh, looking like five years younger to the point where like the Falcons could probably use Kirk Cousins right now. They probably would love to have Kirk Cousins. The Saints, we're talking about a lot of teams that get off to slow starts. The Saints have not scored a first quarter point in four straight games. Going back to twenty twenty five, and they only scored twenty nine first quarter points last season.

• 1:52:07Speaker 00

  And they just, they, it's, maybe it's Shuck is too good where they're like, he'll always save us.

• 1:52:12Speaker 02

  Bail us out.

• 1:52:14Speaker 00

  That.

• 1:52:14Speaker 02

  You got to burn the boats.

• 1:52:15Speaker 00

  That could be a real thing, right?

• 1:52:18Speaker 02

  Never out of it.

• 1:52:19Speaker 00

  Shuck is too good and they're like, hey, don't worry, we could start really bad and we'll end up good. Shuck will get us there.

• 1:52:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:27Speaker 00

  Kirk Cousins, like, I mean, he just passed the, uh, John Elway on the all time TD list.

• 1:52:32Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:52:33Speaker 00

  Sixth all time for passing TDs. Kind of shows you, I mean, he's had a great career. Can't say much, I mean.

• 1:52:41Speaker 02

  No, he's made a lot of money.

• 1:52:43Speaker 00

  And he's played good, above average football for a very long time.

• 1:52:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:47Speaker 00

  He been the, the top five player? No, but it doesn't, I mean, he's been very good.

• 1:52:51Speaker 02

  I think he's been a, a top fifteen quarterback for more than fifty percent of the years of his career.

• 1:52:56Speaker 00

  Which a lot of guys can't say.

• 1:52:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, okay. Last game. By the way, I'm going to be Shuck ladder.

• 1:53:06Speaker 05

  You don't have to say that.

• 1:53:06Speaker 00

  I like that he almost didn't get it. I, I like that he didn't get it last week so that it's not.

• 1:53:13Speaker 00

  Otherwise everyone's like, oh, Shuck ladder all the time. But yes, we, we will be Shuck laddering. Rams, Broncos, very excited for this game. Broncos plus two and a half, over, under forty four and a half. We got to try to record some of the show early so we can really take this game in.

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:53:26Speaker 00

  Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I think the Rams are, I, I think the Rams are going to win.

• 1:53:30Speaker 02

  I've, I've only got one thought that I've really, like everything that happened on Monday night, we kind of talked about on Wednesday with Rams, but something weird is going on with Puka.

• 1:53:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, a lot. I would say a lot weird.

• 1:53:44Speaker 02

  The way that McVeigh's kind of talked about him in a completely different way than how he's talked about him in the past and how he's talked about other injuries that he's had.

• 1:53:52Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  There's something going on that, that McVeigh is doing a, a good job of keeping in house.

• 1:53:57Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  Um, but it's, I don't think this is a normal tweak that, that Puka's going through right now. I think there's something else.

• 1:54:04Speaker 00

  And there's something going on with Puka in life too.

• 1:54:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, we don't know what it is.

• 1:54:08Speaker 00

  There's a lot.

• 1:54:09Speaker 02

  It could be, the injury might be worse or more uncertain than he's letting on. It could be there's something in the off the field life that he's dealing with, but something I think, uh, there's, there's more iceberg underneath the water than there is above it.

• 1:54:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, he said he's not making great, uh, progress.

• 1:54:27Speaker 00

  Hank.

• 1:54:27Speaker 02

  Something like, we'll welcome him with the open arms when he's, when he's back, which doesn't seem like something he would say of just like, oh, he's got a so as strain.

• 1:54:36Speaker 00

  Hank, did you see Devante Adams purple Taco Bell card?

• 1:54:40Speaker 04

  Elite.

• 1:54:41Speaker 00

  So sick.

• 1:54:41Speaker 04

  One of two.

• 1:54:42Speaker 00

  So he's got one of two. Kevin Hart's got the other one. It is an unlimited and he can buy as much Taco Bell as he wants for free. He said he could buy $7 million worth Taco Bell tomorrow and there's nothing you could do about it. That's incredible.

• 1:54:55Speaker 04

  It's a flex. I wonder if he like, I feel like that's, he probably just, they paid him a lot less for those commercials. They gave him the card.

• 1:55:03Speaker 00

  His, the Taco Bell drive-through thing that's in his house is not like a set. He was doing, I think it was K. Adams show and it's still there. So I think he's just, they love him and he loves them. He's the number one Taco Bell guy. By the way, notice purple. Remember Mount Rushmore?

• 1:55:23Speaker 04

  True.

• 1:55:23Speaker 00

  It is purple. That's as purple as purple gets. But yeah, that's.

• 1:55:27Speaker 04

  I mean, I love Taco Bell. It's in, it's in my blood, but.

• 1:55:30Speaker 00

  It's kind of a waste on Devante Adams. He's not eating Taco Bell as much as we would eat Taco Bell with an unlimited card.

• 1:55:35Speaker 04

  I don't know that I would eat Taco Bell that much with him. I mean, it's, it's.

• 1:55:38Speaker 00

  I would.

• 1:55:39Speaker 04

  As you get older, it's, it's.

• 1:55:42Speaker 00

  They're not giving it to an offensive alignment for a reason.

• 1:55:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:45Speaker 00

  Fun fact, Bo Nix, nine and one against NFC teams in his career. The only loss was his first game of his career. So nine straight games with the, versus the NFC.

• 1:55:55Speaker 02

  I think both teams went undefeated against the other conference last year.

• 1:55:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. So that's a, something to look for. I also think early, I, I know it's gonna be a night game, so it's not gonna be as hot, but early season, September, altitude games, you saw it with the Jaguars, kind of fall apart in the second half. Something to watch with there. I'm excited for this game. I'm excited to watch this game. It's gonna be a fun game. Okay. Uh, should we do our picks? Uh, we, did we, we're so bad right now.

• 1:56:25Speaker 05

  I did. I lost, so I'll be out.

• 1:56:28Speaker 00

  I won, but I think we went one for three again. I don't think we've, I think we're like, we might be one for six in our touchdown play. Or two for six?

• 1:56:35Speaker 02

  Two for six.

• 1:56:36Speaker 00

  Two for six.

• 1:56:37Speaker 02

  I might, I might bow out because I didn't, I missed mine too.

• 1:56:40Speaker 00

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• 1:57:49Speaker 00

  I'm gonna run back, uh, Kittle.

• 1:57:51Speaker 04

  I'm gonna go Shuckster, Chris Olave.

• 1:57:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:57:55Speaker 05

  I will go, I'll run back Javante Williams because he didn't score last.

• 1:57:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 1:58:01Speaker 00

  Let's go. Let's win this. And then for picks, Zach, you're up first.

• 1:58:07Speaker 00

  I'm gonna do. Are you in last, Zach? Uh, right now, yes. Okay. Yep, that is true. Okay. We, we, uh, I talked to Hank.

• 1:58:15Speaker 00

  Uh, an AWL did throw out an interesting punishment that we can, we can just discuss. Okay. Um,

• 1:58:24Speaker 00

  one of us would have to be the role of, uh, Tate for a weekend and follow Mincy to whatever he wants, which would be hell.

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, that's, that's an interesting.

• 1:58:41Speaker 02

  It's an interesting option for sure.

• 1:58:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. That's just something to throw it out there.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  It's fascinating.

• 1:58:47Speaker 00

  Or, or, oh shit, nevermind.

• 1:58:50Speaker 05

  And then second place follows last place?

• 1:58:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. I was gonna say, what if, what if it's just mint? What if, what if last place and second place just have to drive to LA for the Super Bowl with Mincy?

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  To the cross-country trip?

• 1:59:03Speaker 04

  Why would he be going to the Super Bowl?

• 1:59:05Speaker 00

  Just to fly back. Just to put him on a plane right back.

• 1:59:08Speaker 05

  I don't like.

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  Honestly. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:59:13Speaker 00

  But Mincy has to figure out all the hotels.

• 1:59:14Speaker 04

  Whoever comes in second place gets like headphones for like a few hours.

• 1:59:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:59:18Speaker 05

  And you still have to do the Mincy thing.

• 1:59:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. And second place gets it so, gets to book their own hotels. First place has to have, or last place has to have Mincy book the hotels and everything.

• 1:59:30Speaker 02

  And Mincy has a list of stuff he wants to do during the ride there, like in different states.

• 1:59:35Speaker 05

  Wait, that would be.

• 1:59:36Speaker 02

  Oh, wait, there's, then whoever finished in first place comes up with a scavenger hunt for that, that car to do on the way there.

• 1:59:47Speaker 05

  Min, you just would, you just wouldn't stay in hotels. You would just sleep in the car. So the second place person. I'm just saying this as the person who finishes in second place for this competition every single year. I just know where I'm gonna be.

• 1:59:59Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. All right. We have a lot of time to pick, so. Okay, Zach. I'm gonna go 10, 8 bucks plus one and a half. Wow. Okay.

• 2:00:10Speaker 00

  Must win. Certainly. Fifty?

• 2:00:15Speaker 02

  I'm going to go with Jameis Winston and the Giants minus two and a half.

• 2:00:20Speaker 00

  Okay. I am going to take the Jaguars Patriots over 45 and a half.

• 2:00:32Speaker 04

  I will take the New England Patriots plus three.

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  I am so happy this got to me. Chiefs minus 10 and a half. The Dolphins suck ass. I had the, I had the 49, I had the 49ers last week. They won by a million.

• 2:00:46Speaker 04

  True.

• 2:00:46Speaker 00

  They did. They did.

• 2:00:48Speaker 05

  I have, I'm going head to head with Henry. I'm taking Jags minus three.

• 2:00:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:00:54Speaker 05

  And I am taking the over in Jets Lions 47 and a half.

• 2:01:00Speaker 00

  Jets Lions over. I like that one.

• 2:01:03Speaker 02

  I will just do it. Cowboys Ravens over 52 and a half.

• 2:01:07Speaker 04

  Just make it a double, double header for me and Max. I'll take the under 47 and a half.

• 2:01:11Speaker 00

  What? You guys are going head to head to head to head?

• 2:01:14Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:01:15Speaker 05

  Too early for it to really matter, but that's fun.

• 2:01:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01:18Speaker 05

  Were you already, were you already doing? All right. Sure.

• 2:01:21Speaker 04

  It was, it was, it was on, it was, it was, I didn't love any, any over unders. That decided for me.

• 2:01:27Speaker 00

  That is very fun.

• 2:01:28Speaker 04

  I actually liked the over and the.

• 2:01:30Speaker 00

  And what?

• 2:01:30Speaker 04

  One memes just took.

• 2:01:32Speaker 00

  And the Chiefs game?

• 2:01:33Speaker 04

  No, and the Cowboys Ravens.

• 2:01:35Speaker 00

  Um, I'm gonna, did anyone take, uh, Saints minus three?

• 2:01:39Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 2:01:40Speaker 00

  I'll take Saints minus.

• 2:01:41Speaker 05

  I like that too.

• 2:01:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:01:43Speaker 02

  I'm going to take the, uh, Bengals Steelers under 42 and a half.

• 2:01:49Speaker 00

  I'm going to take the Texans Colts under 42 and a half. Okay. Good luck, boys. We'll post those picks. Let's get to our interview with Ari Emanuel, super agent Ari Emanuel.

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

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• 2:03:23Speaker 00

  All right. We need now welcome on a very, very special guest. He's got a new book out. It is Ari Emanuel. In studio, super agent. Is that how, like, super agent? Yeah.

• 2:03:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:34Speaker 00

  The number one agent?

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  Does it matter?

• 2:03:36Speaker 00

  Uh, his new book, Roll the Calls, a memoir, uh, is out now. Now, I'll say this. It is like, I don't think we've ever had an agent on the show.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  Uh, no, not true.

• 2:03:45Speaker 00

  Who?

• 2:03:45Speaker 02

  Sean Stellato.

• 2:03:46Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. Sean Stellato. That's right. So there will probably be some of our.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  When was that? That was that week that Tommy DeVito had a really good game?

• 2:03:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. We struck while the iron was hot.

• 2:03:56Speaker 02

  Soon after that.

• 2:03:57Speaker 00

  So people will probably, our fans will probably be like, why the fuck are they having an agent on? But I, you, you are probably the, the agent, the most interesting agent. Your new memoir, I mean, for people who obviously, I think a lot of people know, but Ari Gold, the entourage character was written after you.

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:12Speaker 00

  So now you have a memoir out.

• 2:04:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:14Speaker 00

  Do you, do you name names? Do you go after people in this memoir? Are you, are you letting it all go?

• 2:04:19Speaker 02

  I, uh, you know, I don't talk about, um, client situations and in certain clients, I just don't name.

• 2:04:27Speaker 04

  Name them, I just name things that happened or clients that were clients and then no longer in my fuckups. But, um, business people, uh, yeah, it's, it's really a book about, you know, I, I grew up in Chicago. My brother was the mayor here. Moved out to the suburbs. I had dyslexia. I had really two bright brothers. And it's a book for parents about if you had a kid that had dyslexia and what happened and how to get through it. And then it's for people starting out in business. Here's what happened to me. Here's how I made it. Here's how, I, I don't know about you guys. I only had plan A. I didn't have plan B. When I went out to Hollywood, it was like, either you make it,

• 2:05:12Speaker 04

  or you're, you're screwed.

• 2:05:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:14Speaker 04

  And so here's how I did it. You guys will have your own roadmap to do it. Um, but here's some hopefully lessons that helped me. You guys got to just incorporate it into your lives and how you function. And it's okay to announce. I wanted, I want to make it.

• 2:05:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:33Speaker 04

  You know, and, and take ownership of that.

• 2:05:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. And try and act, cause I think there is something that happens with a lot of people where if they give their full effort and they fail, like they, you know, you kind of guard yourself where it's like, I don't want to ever give a hundred percent because then when I fail, it's like, I have nothing else to give. Yeah. Where if you give 75% and you fail, you're like, oh, I could have given more.

• 2:05:51Speaker 04

  But you know, the funny thing is, I don't, I don't know. And I have four kids, uh, two 30 year olds. A 27, almost 28 year old and a 24 year old. In that generation, when I come around, I talk to them, I'm going to do, I'm doing this and I'm doing that. I like, I didn't have any of that. I just had this.

• 2:06:08Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 2:06:08Speaker 04

  And maybe it's just because there's more opportunity. Like we just talked, podcasts were 20, 25 years old and, and then there's other jobs and the social and no, I just, I just, I wanted to make it as a, as somebody in the representation business and then, see where that took me and it's taken me on a lot of different paths.

• 2:06:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:06:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. The, the dyslexia part is interesting to me because I, I think you kind of take ownership of it and you see it. Yes, it's something that made you different, but also something that you had that could separate you and allowed you to approach, whether it's problems or just interpersonal relation, it allowed you to see things differently.

• 2:06:41Speaker 04

  You know, Malcolm Gladwell talks about it as a superpower. And if you can get through, which my mom really put upon me to get through and learn how to read and it was painful. Emotionally, but once you gain those skills and that emotional stability that you can do something hard. It, it enables you to be somewhat of a free thinker on a, in a different way that somebody who's linear and reads and, that type of thing. There's nothing wrong with that. I would have given my arm to be that type of reader. But it does get you to free think. And when in business, that is actually, you think differently, you think freely, you have different ways of attacking stuff. And that's, that is then, in my opinion, a superpower.

• 2:07:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think it's really interesting how that's, that's helped you in turn, what might be a weakness. Some people would look at into, into a strength. I'm also interested, like when you go out to Hollywood, you've got this dream. What, what was your initial dream? Did you say to yourself, I want to be a super agent? Or were you?

• 2:07:37Speaker 04

  I just, I didn't even know. I didn't even know. I, I went into the, there's a company called Creative Artists Agency, CAA. And at the time they were run by this guy, Mike Ovitz. And he was, he's on Mount Rushmore of agents, him and this guy Lou Osman way before him. And I went into the mailroom because that's where everybody started, you know, the David Geffins of the worlds, the Barry Dillers of the worlds. Mike Ovitz, they all started in the mailroom. And I was driving packages around, making 15 cents a mile. Became an assistant on somebody's desk.

• 2:08:11Speaker 04

  Became an agent there. And then, um, in the television department, because there's movie department, music department, book department. And then a company broke off and I just said, I don't want to be at a big company. I want to be at like you guys. I want to be at the startup.

• 2:08:26Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:08:27Speaker 04

  Went to the startup, that company got bought, went to this company, ICM, International Creative Management. And then this crazy moment happened. I don't know how old you guys are, but I was 32 ish.

• 2:08:42Speaker 04

  I'm walking across the street on Wilshire Boulevard. Crosswalk. I'm 32 and when you're 32, life's got plenty of time.

• 2:08:50Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:08:51Speaker 04

  Healthy as fuck.

• 2:08:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:08:53Speaker 04

  Car hits me, a, a, a flatbed truck.

• 2:08:56Speaker 00

  That sucks.

• 2:08:56Speaker 04

  It sucked. I laid on the ground on Wilshire Boulevard, wiggled my fingers, wiggled my toes. All right. I'm not crippled. And I just say to myself then, you know, this shit is not a dress rehearsal. I can't be, I, I, I gotta figure what I wanted, really want to do because your life changes.

• 2:09:14Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:09:15Speaker 04

  And then after rehab and surgery and then rehab. I said to a bunch of friends that were working there, I said, we gotta get out of here. We gotta start our own business because we saw the business landscape changing. A lot of more distribution. There's going to be Fox WB, which was Warner Brothers Network and CW, which was another network. And it's going to be six networks. And in the economy of, of television, we could put television shows and we can get equity into television shows. We can make a lot of money with more distribution. The cost of guys who create personalities is more valuable.

• 2:09:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:49Speaker 04

  Did it. King of the Hill, 70's shows, Ally McBeal had huge hits, made a lot of money. And then we were off to the races.

• 2:09:58Speaker 00

  So, so when you get hit.

• 2:09:59Speaker 04

  That's a long story.

• 2:10:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. So when you get hit by the truck, how, what, are you working the mailroom then?

• 2:10:04Speaker 04

  No, no, no. I'm an agent now.

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  Okay. So you're an agent.

• 2:10:06Speaker 04

  I've left CAA. I've gone to this company, Intertalent.

• 2:10:09Speaker 00

  So you're on your own, so to speak.

• 2:10:11Speaker 04

  They get, they get bought by ICM. I'm working at ICM.

• 2:10:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:10:15Speaker 04

  And it was, in my opinion, a fucked up company. And I just realized this, I don't, I don't want to do this. I think, I think there's a business opportunity because of the, where the world's going.

• 2:10:28Speaker 04

  And the, there's four guys, me and three other guys say, let's come together and let's start this thing. We're really strong in television. Television business is changing and there's a huge opportunity to create economic value for our clients and for ourselves. And we do it. And then shit just gets crazy.

• 2:10:45Speaker 00

  So how long were you in the mailroom slash like being an assistant before you become an agent? Like what was that? That was just seven days a week, just doing whatever people asked you to do.

• 2:10:55Speaker 04

  Delivering packages, you're copying packages, you're getting bagels and fruit and you're puffing pillows in people's offices. You know, and you're, you're at night, you're delivering packages until all hours, all over the, you know, because you didn't have, you couldn't email somebody a script. You had to deliver the script.

• 2:11:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:11:14Speaker 04

  You're doing coverage.

• 2:11:14Speaker 00

  This is in the early 90s, late 80s, you're saying?

• 2:11:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is, uh, late 80s, early 90s. You're doing coverage on scripts. So you're reading the scripts and giving descriptions of here are the characters, here's the plot line, here's what's good, here's what's bad. That's seven days a week. And then six months, eight months into that, I get on a desk in television, get on another desk, seven days a week also. And then they make me an agent.

• 2:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. You don't strike me as a guy that, that eats shit. You don't take it, you don't take a lot from a lot of people.

• 2:11:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:11:46Speaker 02

  I would imagine that a big part of the job or part of the job, when you're coming up through the mailroom, you have to eat shit sometimes.

• 2:11:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, a lot of shit.

• 2:11:52Speaker 02

  Were you able to do that?

• 2:11:55Speaker 04

  I, I, I got through.

• 2:11:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:56Speaker 04

  You know, cause if you want something at times, you do what you gotta do.

• 2:12:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, without ruffling the feathers. And then you get a.

• 2:12:03Speaker 04

  I'm not, I wasn't perfect. I was not a very good assistant. I was not great in the mailroom. But, you know, I figured it out.

• 2:12:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:12:13Speaker 02

  And, and so you get into the accident, how long were you, uh, able to like take for yourself to recover or were you in the hospital?

• 2:12:20Speaker 04

  I was in the office.

• 2:12:20Speaker 02

  I gotta, I gotta help out my client.

• 2:12:22Speaker 04

  I was in the office, I wa, I was in the office five days later. And, and I blew out this knee, fucked up my hip, broke my ribs, cut open my head. And I had to have surgery on this knee, but I had to go through rehab so that the knee would move so that when I had surgery, it, it could move properly that I could repair it properly. So that took six months, surgery, another eight months of rehab.

• 2:12:48Speaker 02

  And then super agent.

• 2:12:50Speaker 00

  Then super.

• 2:12:50Speaker 02

  Who was the first person to call you a super agent?

• 2:12:53Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't know if anybody's called me super agent.

• 2:12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've heard it. I've heard it.

• 2:12:58Speaker 04

  Here's what I'd say is, um,

• 2:12:59Speaker 00

  So me.

• 2:13:00Speaker 04

  When, when that show happened and you know, Mark Wahlberg was the executive.

• 2:13:04Speaker 00

  Which you sold that show, right?

• 2:13:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:13:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:13:07Speaker 00

  So you sold that show and your ego was so big, you're like, I need to be in the show?

• 2:13:10Speaker 04

  No, no, no. So.

• 2:13:11Speaker 00

  I'm just fucking.

• 2:13:12Speaker 04

  There's a guy by the name of Doug Allen.

• 2:13:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:15Speaker 04

  Mark Wahlberg's a manager at the time was this guy, and still is this guy, Steve Levinson, their partners. And Mark, we go into HBO and I had a lot of shows on HBO at the time. And, um, Doug Allen's agent at CAA, my former place was this guy, um, it doesn't matter what his name is. And, um, and we go in and I tell them, I'm not in the mood for a no, you gotta say yes. So they said yes.

• 2:13:43Speaker 00

  That works?

• 2:13:44Speaker 04

  Well, it did work then.

• 2:13:45Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:13:46Speaker 04

  And then.

• 2:13:46Speaker 00

  It's a good line. Yeah.

• 2:13:47Speaker 04

  We're, we're leaving. This guy, Steve Levinson, that managed Mark Wahlberg, also managed the writer. And they call me up and I said, yeah, it's sold. And he goes, do they want to see my samples? And I said to him, you want me to send the samples in and unsell this? I just sold it.

• 2:14:04Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:14:04Speaker 04

  Okay. So show happens. And I didn't tell my wife because, you know, there's Mrs. Ari.

• 2:14:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 2:14:15Speaker 04

  You know, and he's a guy that, and he never met me. Jeremy Piven never met me.

• 2:14:20Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:14:21Speaker 04

  And he did an incredible job. I mean, the guy is hysterical.

• 2:14:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:14:24Speaker 04

  And so,

• 2:14:27Speaker 04

  yeah, it started. And I go to Wahlberg. This is the worst thing in the world for me because I can't watch the show. It gives me anxiety of everything like what I look like and and the kind of show was leading. I was following. Sometimes I was leading, it was following. And he turns to me, Wahlberg says to me, you know, this is going to be when it became when it's starting to become a hit. He goes, this is going to be the greatest thing that ever happened to you. And I said, I don't see it. Cut to it was, you know, it opened a lot of doors. People talk about the character all the time now.

• 2:14:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:14:55Speaker 04

  The kids still watch it and call me and and I and I do the stupid hug it out bitch routine.

• 2:15:01Speaker 00

  Was that was that true to?

• 2:15:03Speaker 04

  No, I never said that. I never had a Lloyd. I didn't, you know, but it was.

• 2:15:07Speaker 00

  Well, you definitely had a Lloyd.

• 2:15:08Speaker 04

  I didn't have a Lloyd.

• 2:15:09Speaker 00

  You had an assistant that you probably bullied.

• 2:15:11Speaker 04

  There wasn't, there wasn't a Lloyd.

• 2:15:13Speaker 00

  Was the rage real? Cause I've I've read obviously enough about you like that the the Ari Emanuel rage is how a lot of things sometimes get done. Was like you, if you get a call from Ari Emanuel, you you like most of the time he's going to have to just ream you out.

• 2:15:29Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:15:29Speaker 00

  And then shit gets done.

• 2:15:30Speaker 04

  Well, Corey McCarthy once said, rage is there to help you kind of settle, get to an answer properly.

• 2:15:40Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:15:41Speaker 04

  You know, without rage, you're just dealing with grief. And a lot of my relationships, good and bad, have been clarified

• 2:15:53Speaker 04

  by rage and how that exchanged, but I'm not always rageful.

• 2:15:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:15:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:15:57Speaker 00

  But you have.

• 2:15:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do have. I did have and I at time I still have enough of it to.

• 2:16:03Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:16:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:16:04Speaker 02

  You know that if if they interviewed Ari Gold and they did like another season of Entourage, they asked him about Lloyd. He, his answer would be like, I, who's Lloyd? Yeah, I never, I never had a guy named Lloyd.

• 2:16:13Speaker 00

  But I was.

• 2:16:14Speaker 02

  That would be, that would be your answer.

• 2:16:16Speaker 00

  We were, before we started, you were sitting, taking a phone call and you did give me a little peek of it where you were just like, I don't know who you were talking to, but you're like, I want my fucking 10%. You actually said that while I was sitting right here. And I was like, well, that's pretty cool.

• 2:16:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:16:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, so you're gonna get your fucking 10%.

• 2:16:31Speaker 04

  I'm definitely gonna get my, I'm gonna get my pound of flesh.

• 2:16:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. Alright, so, so speaking of the rage, can you tell the story about when you're leaving CAA? Because that's like a famous one, right? With when, when you have to tell Michael Ovitz that you're leaving and starting a competitor and and him being like, I'm gonna fuck you over. You're like, no, I'm gonna fuck you over.

• 2:16:48Speaker 04

  So, um, I'm, I've decided to leave to go to this new startup that broke off some from CAA, some from ICM.

• 2:16:56Speaker 04

  Led by this guy, Bill Block, who's a dear friend now. And they're recruiting me and I say yes. And I have to go in and let Mike Ovitz know. And beforehand, I used to play basketball with a guy that was also an assistant there, had not become an agent yet, and I was an agent. And as a friend, you know, you're saying to him, hey, I'm just letting you know. We play basketball a lot. We hang out a lot. He went to Northwestern. I'm leaving, no big deal. Still be friends. I'm not telling him I told you. It was like during President's Day, actually. He calls me up five o'clock the next morning as I'm going in. He says, I just had to tell him.

• 2:17:37Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:17:39Speaker 04

  I go, what? That was actually an episode. But that is a storyline I gave.

• 2:17:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:17:44Speaker 04

  I said, what are you talking about? He goes like, you know, I just had to tell him.

• 2:17:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, because he's probably trying to get a leg up.

• 2:17:49Speaker 04

  No, he did.

• 2:17:49Speaker 00

  With Michael Ovitz, yeah.

• 2:17:50Speaker 04

  He got promoted.

• 2:17:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, right, of course.

• 2:17:52Speaker 04

  And I said, I just said, fuck you. And I hung up. So I go in and they know. Now, this startup was actually getting a little traction, this thing that I was going to, this company called Intertalent. And

• 2:18:09Speaker 04

  I'm scared shitless because it's Mike Ovitz. I mean, at the time, he was, he was God in the business.

• 2:18:17Speaker 04

  He won't see me, I told his assistant, and I just walk in, I just burst into his office and I said, he goes, I can't see you right now. And I just turned to him and I had no idea where this balls came. I said, I'll be back in 10 minutes and you'll deal with me then. I leave.

• 2:18:34Speaker 04

  10 minutes later, I come back. He's in there with the head of HR and head of business affairs. And one of the heads of the television business, this guy named Lee Gable.

• 2:18:49Speaker 04

  And, you know, they're sitting, the two guys are standing behind his desk, he's sitting at his desk and he does the Mike Ovitz on you, like, like, you're not gonna make it in this town. I'm gonna make sure. And I'm like, you know, my parents grew me up like, yeah, nobody threatens you and he was kind of threatening me and and I'm a pimple on the ass of an ant at this point in the business. I just stand up, put my, there was an opening in the back, he put my hand inside the chair and I said, are you threatening me? Kind of hold it up. And it was my only move. I had no other moves. And

• 2:19:27Speaker 04

  meeting ended because I was getting kind of heated.

• 2:19:30Speaker 00

  So you're holding a chair, being like, I'm gonna do something with this chair.

• 2:19:33Speaker 04

  I'm gonna fuck this up.

• 2:19:33Speaker 00

  And you're not, you don't even know what you're gonna do.

• 2:19:35Speaker 04

  I don't know. I'm gonna fuck this office up. And he had, you know, the Feng Shui beautiful office.

• 2:19:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19:39Speaker 04

  And he's Mike Ovitz.

• 2:19:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19:41Speaker 04

  And so, meeting ends, not, you know, it was my only move. I leave. I don't even know if it was a move, actually.

• 2:19:49Speaker 02

  No, you're right. It's your only move. Yeah.

• 2:19:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, just grab a chair.

• 2:19:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, fuck that. I'm not getting threatened.

• 2:19:53Speaker 00

  This is a red, this is a guy who loves wrestling. Just grab a chair.

• 2:19:57Speaker 04

  You know, hit the red button threatening me.

• 2:19:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19:59Speaker 04

  And I leave and everything turned out okay.

• 2:20:02Speaker 00

  And he didn't try to ruin your life?

• 2:20:04Speaker 04

  Well, I think he probably did. I didn't even know. I was so small in the business. How would I know?

• 2:20:08Speaker 00

  But do you think he like sneaky respect? Did you ever have another meeting with him?

• 2:20:11Speaker 04

  He and I are friends now.

• 2:20:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, but did he, was he like, hey man, that chair move really scared the fuck out of me.

• 2:20:16Speaker 04

  We've never, we've never addressed it. He, you know, he's had us, you know, as I said, he's on Mount Rushmore. And we and he and I are friends now and uh, he, by watching him, just by osmosis, you, you learned a ton and his partner, Ron Meyer, you learned a ton and his other partner, Bill Haber, you learned a ton. And, um, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, the relationship is great now.

• 2:20:41Speaker 00

  How many, how many of those people?

• 2:20:42Speaker 04

  He, he became a manager with this guy, Ricky Orne. He left Disney, starts this company called, I think it was called The Firm. And the guys that took over CAA, the, the three guys that took over CAA, they got into a beef because he started a management company.

• 2:21:02Speaker 04

  And so they start fighting.

• 2:21:05Speaker 04

  And at one point, I think I said to him, I guess we're going to war. And I sent him like 10 mattresses, like from The Godfather. Like, we're going to the mattresses, right? And I sent, delivered to the offices. Were 10 mattresses. It was really funny. So, yeah, we're, we're good now.

• 2:21:22Speaker 00

  So how many of those people, like, you have enemies through the years. How many become friends again? And are there still people like, if you saw them at a restaurant, it's like, you're giving them eyes, they're giving you eyes.

• 2:21:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:34Speaker 00

  Are there still those relationships?

• 2:21:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:37Speaker 00

  Are they in the book?

• 2:21:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:21:39Speaker 00

  Who, give me one of them. One guy who's just like, if I see him, I'm, you know, we're, we're not speaking and we might be.

• 2:21:45Speaker 04

  There's a guy by the name of Jeffrey Katzenberg.

• 2:21:47Speaker 00

  Okay, and he's just?

• 2:21:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, there's just, I don't, I'm, it's not my thing.

• 2:21:51Speaker 00

  Okay. And there's other guys that like, you'll be in the same room with them and you're just like, I don't.

• 2:21:55Speaker 04

  No, I mean, you know,

• 2:21:59Speaker 04

  it's not like I'm mad. I just, I, I don't agree with those situations. I don't agree with the situations. Where you do your thing, I do my thing.

• 2:22:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:10Speaker 04

  You know, I don't care.

• 2:22:12Speaker 02

  Our, our boss, Dave Portnoy, keeps a list of some of those people.

• 2:22:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:22:16Speaker 02

  And celebrates when he sees that he has defeated them.

• 2:22:19Speaker 00

  Bottles of champagne.

• 2:22:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I, I, I don't do that, but you know, a phrase I like is revenge is best served cold.

• 2:22:25Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:22:27Speaker 04

  You know, there's been a lot of people in my life that have said, you, you're stupid, you're not gonna make it. And, okay, I'm just gonna work really hard. I'm gonna show that I'm smart at what I do and and it's in, and time will tell.

• 2:22:41Speaker 00

  How, how much of your?

• 2:22:43Speaker 04

  I, I should get better at that. I'm trying to get better.

• 2:22:46Speaker 00

  No, it's probably what makes you great.

• 2:22:48Speaker 04

  I'm not, I'm not, I'm not mature enough yet.

• 2:22:50Speaker 02

  No, you shouldn't. You should not get better at that. Yeah.

• 2:22:52Speaker 00

  How much?

• 2:22:52Speaker 02

  It's good that you say that you want. I think that's like a good thing to say.

• 2:22:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, bullshit.

• 2:22:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's bullshit.

• 2:22:58Speaker 00

  How much of your motivation drive comes, I, I don't know your relationship with, with your brothers, but they're obviously like, you know, Ron was the mayor of Chicago and, and even Paul's, your other brother is a world renowned doctor.

• 2:23:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:23:12Speaker 00

  And it's like, was there ever, was that feeling in your household of like, oh, Ari's just an agent? Like, what is that? You know, that's not, that's not politics or medicine.

• 2:23:21Speaker 04

  Well, here's what I'd say to you is, you know,

• 2:23:25Speaker 04

  doing well in school was like paramount in my house. You walk in, grades go on the refrigerator as you walk in, A+, A+, B-, C+. So, you know, I'm dyslexic. These guys are really smart. I'm smart, but you know, back then dyslexia, nobody understood it completely. My mom made sure that I could read. Everybody said certain things. My mom said, you're going to college, you're graduating, everything.

• 2:23:53Speaker 04

  There was always three boys. I don't know how many brothers or sisters you got here. Healthy competition. But

• 2:24:01Speaker 04

  we completely were ride or die for each other.

• 2:24:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:24:05Speaker 04

  And, um, but as you notice, one's in Washington.

• 2:24:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:24:09Speaker 04

  One's in Chicago, one's on the West Coast. And in completely different businesses.

• 2:24:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:24:15Speaker 04

  So that's what it should be.

• 2:24:17Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:24:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. And at the time, you know, coming into my household and saying, I'm gonna go to the mailroom and make 15 cents a mile, fuck yeah, there was a lot of ribbing.

• 2:24:28Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:24:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. And my father, who was an immigrant, like, you're not gonna go get your graduate degree.

• 2:24:34Speaker 00

  You're not gonna be a doctor or something, a lawyer.

• 2:24:36Speaker 04

  What are you doing?

• 2:24:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:24:38Speaker 04

  But in all, if.

• 2:24:39Speaker 00

  I would imagine that's part of the drive.

• 2:24:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, that, yeah.

• 2:24:41Speaker 00

  Proving them all wrong.

• 2:24:42Speaker 04

  Trying to get your own identity in that family, and I think all of us had it, is one of the motivating factors.

• 2:24:48Speaker 02

  Are you still like competitive against them right now?

• 2:24:50Speaker 04

  It's not competitive. We're all successful. Um, uh, my, my brother Zeke is the vice provost. He's an oncologist, health policy. Probably one of the best in the world. I, I don't think there's, if my brother runs for president, I don't think there's a better candidate with more experience across all aspects of politics.

• 2:25:11Speaker 02

  That sounds like he's gonna run for president.

• 2:25:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I would, I would, it would be great for the country. It would be incredible for the country. Um, he's gone through everything that's possible, you know, oh, eight financial crisis, Obama, I mean, you could go through all of what he's done. And I do my thing.

• 2:25:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's yeah, pretty successful family, I would say. Uh, I, I read that you don't say goodbye on phone calls ever.

• 2:25:36Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:25:37Speaker 02

  Is that, you've never?

• 2:25:38Speaker 04

  You know, I do say goodbye. That's not true, but there's times like, you know, it's, it, you're rocking and rolling and conversations ended. I have this thing now going on with this woman, Dana Walden and this woman Bella, Dana Walden's from Disney and had a content and Bella Bajara, actually from Netflix where you guys are. And, and we have this whole thing and I've known them for a long time. And it's like, we don't, I don't say goodbye. And now they're getting back at me. They hang up on me more now than I hang up on them. And it's fucking pissing me off.

• 2:26:13Speaker 02

  Took the upper hand.

• 2:26:15Speaker 04

  They are kicking my ass on this move. Yeah.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  So it's just a conversations over you?

• 2:26:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, it's all bullshit. You know, we're just trying to get a deal done or move on or talk about an issue. And it's very funny now, though.

• 2:26:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, it is funny that they take your move, which you didn't ever think of as a move.

• 2:26:32Speaker 04

  A move.

• 2:26:33Speaker 02

  And now you recognize it when it's a back, now you're upset.

• 2:26:35Speaker 04

  They're going, they're getting it done.

• 2:26:37Speaker 02

  I, one, one thing that I think, uh, I have to give you a lot of credit for is having the foresight in terms of, uh, like live sports being at a premium.

• 2:26:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:26:46Speaker 02

  Um, when you kind of saw that coming, what, 20 years ago or so, 15 years ago?

• 2:26:50Speaker 04

  We, we, um, so we buy IMG. It's William Morris. Um, Patrick Weitzler and myself, we, we get, we take control of, um, of William Morris. Then this company, this investment company Silver Lake comes in because this guy Teddy Forstman had passed away. He was a friend and he owned this company IMG. I had a relationship with this guy, uh, Egon Durbin, who's an incredible investor, like the best. I think he's the best. And he makes an investment. Patrick and I take over William Morris and he says, and we had this idea, Patrick and I, to go after IMG.

• 2:27:34Speaker 04

  And, uh, he says, I want to invest in you and then I want to go after IMG. Cause then you have a global company in sports, in live events, in movies, in television and music. And it would be the first kind of global footprint in entertainment. And he's had the same vision we did. Distribution is expanding, new forms of content, global, great. I didn't think it was gonna happen, but it happened. We get that deal done. And we were doing everything for sports, negotiating deals, doing production, or, or representing, licensing, everything. The only thing we didn't have is we didn't own a sport. Well, as you guys know, you can't own the NFL.

• 2:28:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:28:16Speaker 04

  You can't own the NBA. You can't own English Premier League. You can't own a lot of stuff. So we had a strategy that the thing we should be, because of what we do, and, and this is what Egon said also, and he, he was 100% right. Because of, you already negotiate all the economics. Instead of taking 10%, we should own the whole thing. So when the UFC, who we represented, came up for sale, and I represented Dana and the Fatidas and did all their business, we went for it. And, um, that was in, um, 2016. And at the time, you know, we paid 4.2 billion.

• 2:29:01Speaker 04

  And everybody thought, I don't know if you guys remember this, like, that was the craziest number ever. And they also said that about us buying IMG, which in hindsight, even though it didn't own the sport, it was in the sports. They were, they were blowing us up like we're nuts. And it was like, those two were the cheapest acquisitions in the sports media. And we just saw where the, the Netflix and the Amazons and all these guys were going, that they were gonna have to, to keep viewers. They were gonna have to get into sports and turn it into advertising.

• 2:29:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, there's so little now that everybody watches at the same time that unfolds live.

• 2:29:38Speaker 04

  And it's the greatest, as we all know, it's the greatest reality show. Well, thank you. You don't know that.

• 2:29:42Speaker 02

  You don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah.

• 2:29:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so we saw that, we bought bull riding, PBR.

• 2:29:49Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 2:29:50Speaker 04

  And then COVID happened. We got it up on its feet with Fight Island and.

• 2:29:56Speaker 02

  What's the story behind Fight Island? I've, I've been hearing more about it. Number one, it's not an island.

• 2:30:00Speaker 04

  You, you fucked this over.

• 2:30:01Speaker 02

  That sound like it, was that your idea to call it an island?

• 2:30:03Speaker 04

  So here's what happens. So here's what happens. The world shutting down.

• 2:30:06Speaker 02

  It's a beach.

• 2:30:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, the world shutting, the world shutting down. We're having to like fire a ton of people at William Morris, at IMG. We bought this thing on location, which does the Superbowl and a bunch of live, you know, kind of high end premium events. We're taking everything down to the studs. My partner, also Mark Shapiro, is doing that. We had almost gone public, failed. So, uh, yeah, we had just made this big deal at ESPN. And, um, if we didn't get UFC back, and I think the company's, it's over. Dana calls me and everybody's freaking out. Can you do fights? Are you gonna kill people because of COVID?

• 2:30:52Speaker 04

  And, you know, Disney's freaking out. And Dana just said, no fucking way, we're putting fights on. Cause we had fighters in Europe, we had fighters in the United States, we had fighters in, in, in Russia and all that region. And, you know, we have to find a way to get fights on. So he calls me and he says the following, and to his credit, man, the guy's an animal. He says, get me an island. I mean, who says that?

• 2:31:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I only know one guy. Yeah, there's some people.

• 2:31:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I pick up the phone to our friends and partners in the Middle East and, and the UAE. And a really good, an incredible partner, incredible friend for a lot of years. This guy called Doon in Abu Dhabi. And I said, I, I have to figure out how to get an island and put on fights and get all the testing done, fighters in, testing, testing, people there. And he says, I have an island for you.

• 2:31:53Speaker 02

  But it's not actually an island. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:31:55Speaker 04

  It's just a beach.

• 2:31:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 2:31:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:31:56Speaker 02

  You didn't think that we had maps?

• 2:31:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, and he says, here's what we'll do. He gets me on with his people. We, we get to everything we're gonna do, all the testing, the planes, the testing, people there, everything. And we just put on months of fighting. And at the time, I don't know if you guys remember, there was no sport.

• 2:32:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 2:32:19Speaker 04

  Nothing. And we put on two, two, we have, we put on, I think, like, two months or three months of, of fights. We had also put on PBR. We had figured that out. And that was kind of the only things on TV and, and the sport then exploded after that. And so that's what happened.

• 2:32:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:37Speaker 04

  And this, you know, our, our partners in the UAE were incredible. He was incredible. Dana and the team were like Lawrence Epstein and Hunter and everybody was unbelievable.

• 2:32:47Speaker 02

  So, yeah, it was, it was very smart. And I guess you showed a lot of foresight, knowing that the way things were going with streaming, sports was going to be, it's gonna be the one thing everyone's gonna be watching live. The kind of the, the one last remaining bit of like uniculture that we might have, where we can all as Americans like, tune into this together. From now until like 20 years from now, where do you see, what's the next trend? That's going to change the industry, uh, as we get into like 2030s, 2040s?

• 2:33:14Speaker 04

  You know, I don't know what's, there's, I think there's a, an underlying form of technology, six wifi coming, which is different from what we currently have, more, more bandwidth. I don't know what that's gonna do as it relates to, um, streaming and, and people being able to own that. You then simultaneously have this thing AI, where the cost of production on the movie and television situation is coming down to a really interesting number. There's gonna be some dislocation, which is unfortunate, but we'll have to deal with that.

• 2:33:48Speaker 02

  AI actors and actors. I saw that one interview.

• 2:33:50Speaker 04

  AI as it relates to, let's just say the below the line production costs, a bunch of stuff is gonna come down. How that affects the movie? Television, sports.

• 2:34:04Speaker 04

  The implications are pretty big. And then, you know.

• 2:34:10Speaker 04

  How, how, how, how big is your reach in social, you across the whole platform here?

• 2:34:14Speaker 00

  Like Barstool?

• 2:34:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:34:16Speaker 00

  I mean, it's millions and millions.

• 2:34:18Speaker 04

  Same thing with Kim Kardashian and, and Mark Wahlberg and Dwayne Johnson and Dana White. So you become, if you can handle advertising and sponsorship, you, you could become your own broadcast network.

• 2:34:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:33Speaker 04

  So.

• 2:34:33Speaker 00

  It's kind of what we do here.

• 2:34:35Speaker 04

  Exactly. So then, people like me are going to adapt saying, wait a second, we, we have to help people monetize this concept. And so I think it's going to be a pretty interesting next 20 years, how it plays itself out. We just have to think through that and, and be prepared for a different way to quote unquote, what we decide now as broadcasting. And you guys are, are at the forefront of that. And I think that's going to continue to morph.

• 2:35:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:35:07Speaker 04

  Um, with costs changing, um, technology, baselines changing. And so that's actually the really exciting thing, I think, because I think there's going to be huge opportunity for what, what you guys are now a brand.

• 2:35:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:35:28Speaker 04

  And your ability to reach an audience and the monetization formula will shift.

• 2:35:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, I mean, we're the one thing. Listen, we, we feel at least confident. We're too dumb for AI in that AI can't replicate how stupid we are.

• 2:35:43Speaker 04

  That's what I say with my new company. I have this events company called Mari.

• 2:35:48Speaker 04

  Elon said to me, the only thing that's not going to be dislocated is live sports, live music.

• 2:35:57Speaker 00

  And dumb people.

• 2:35:57Speaker 04

  Live events. Because this is a live event.

• 2:36:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:36:02Speaker 04

  And we're social animals. Probably it's a four day work week for most people. I mean, Bernie Sanders wants to be 36 hours only, you know? Europe, some, some countries are only four days. So, you know, Thursday is baby Friday.

• 2:36:19Speaker 00

  Ooh, I like that.

• 2:36:22Speaker 04

  My son Leo told me that.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  Don't let Hank hear that.

• 2:36:24Speaker 00

  Holy shit.

• 2:36:25Speaker 04

  My youngest son.

• 2:36:26Speaker 00

  Baby Friday.

• 2:36:27Speaker 04

  My youngest son who works at Polymarket said that to me.

• 2:36:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:36:30Speaker 04

  And I said, because people go out now Thursday night, they book hotels. You know, they're traveling, they're, they're doing, right? And so you got Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, and people are getting into the office on Monday at 11 o'clock. So the weekend.

• 2:36:44Speaker 00

  Where is this that you're describing?

• 2:36:46Speaker 04

  All over the world now. When you look at all the data points. So we're going to have more time. We're social animals. We're going to need more stuff, entertainment to, to consume and music and sports. And I think, I think the entertainment, music, sports is just going to explode.

• 2:37:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Is there a specific, uh, talent or show or project that you passed on uh, to represent or sell that you're like, God damn it, I missed that one? I assume there's a talent that you met with or was in your orbit.

• 2:37:21Speaker 04

  You know, I, I, I've been lucky. I represent some incredible people and I've been.

• 2:37:27Speaker 00

  So you didn't miss on anyone?

• 2:37:29Speaker 04

  No, I'm, I'm good.

• 2:37:30Speaker 02

  Are you close for business right now?

• 2:37:31Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:37:32Speaker 02

  Like, how many people do you?

• 2:37:33Speaker 04

  No, I'm, I'm in the middle right now.

• 2:37:35Speaker 00

  You gotta get your 10% from where you're talking.

• 2:37:37Speaker 04

  Trying to sign this guy out of New York, this incredible writer, director. Um, um, there's talent that I'm going after that I think, and, and just in the representation business.

• 2:37:47Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:37:48Speaker 04

  Um, yeah. And I'm like, I, I just was on the phone with Larry David. There's a Jonah Hill situation. I was on the phone with Aaron Sorkin, who's got, uh, the new Facebook movie coming out and you know, I'm, I, I, I'm having a blast there.

• 2:38:02Speaker 02

  So you, you are currently, you're always looking for new?

• 2:38:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:38:05Speaker 02

  People to represent.

• 2:38:06Speaker 04

  Something I see that I love. Yeah.

• 2:38:09Speaker 00

  What about, uh, when, when it comes to like pitching someone to represent them? There's obviously a, a, a belief that, you know, agents are kind of slimy and, you know, they're, you can't trust them.

• 2:38:20Speaker 04

  How am I doing?

• 2:38:21Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm asking, what do you say to that? Like, if I, if you were trying to represent me? I, listen, I'm just saying, like, would people say that?

• 2:38:27Speaker 04

  He's not answering the question.

• 2:38:28Speaker 00

  No, I, I do think there's, there's definitely something to be said for like, if you are a creative and then you have to give away 10%. That sucks.

• 2:38:36Speaker 04

  But here's what I would say to you is,

• 2:38:39Speaker 04

  here's what agents do.

• 2:38:44Speaker 04

  If a client, and that takes many different forms, podcasters now, writers, directors, social. You have a dream and idea, a vision of something you want to say. You, you want somebody that has the wherewithal and the fortitude to see that through. Find a place for you to do that. Make you the most amount of money. Kind of deal with the conflicts that come up and give you really good business advice and see it all the way through. That is as much as what you guys do is an art form because people like it and it's a business. That is a real art form and it, it takes a lot of skill.

• 2:39:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:26Speaker 04

  And I don't think that's scummy.

• 2:39:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:29Speaker 04

  I think that's a beautiful thing. And when that relationship works with an artist, it's an incredible relationship that can really benefit both sides.

• 2:39:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:38Speaker 04

  And people pay me and the agency I work for and the agency I founded 10% because over 100, over a hundred years, because we do good, do good job and we do good, give good advice. And I'm proud of that. And I'm proud of all the people that work with me. And it's a skill set.

• 2:40:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:40:00Speaker 04

  So I don't think it's scummy at all.

• 2:40:02Speaker 00

  No, it's a really good answer for a slimy agent. Really good answer. You've done well with that. No, there's definitely, I mean, there's, there is a.

• 2:40:10Speaker 04

  There's some.

• 2:40:11Speaker 00

  No, there's a.

• 2:40:11Speaker 04

  There's some guys on Ventura Boulevard that probably are scummy.

• 2:40:14Speaker 00

  No, no, listen, I, I, I, I understand like being in our world and having to deal with some of the business sides, like there are definitely times where I'm like, I'm, I'm over my skis when it comes to business and

• 2:40:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:40:25Speaker 00

  and, and cutthroat things and being the bad guy, like having someone who can be the bad guy for you is very important.

• 2:40:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:40:32Speaker 00

  And get you the creative freedom and the things that you want.

• 2:40:35Speaker 04

  And as you know, there are times when there's crazy conflicts and disagreements. And one of the jobs is navigating that.

• 2:40:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:40:48Speaker 04

  And getting everybody comfortable in the gray area of that relationship. That one, you get to express yourself creatively and you also make enough money. And two, they feel like they're hurt.

• 2:40:59Speaker 00

  They got a good side of the deal too.

• 2:41:00Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 2:41:01Speaker 00

  What, have you ever had a moment where you're like, I, I've gone soft? Where you, where you look back and you're like, shit. I wasn't, I wasn't like peak Ari. I kind of let them off the hook.

• 2:41:12Speaker 04

  It was a negotiation. There was a writer's strike a couple of years ago. And, and they were saying like, you're not going to get the best price if you're doing this and this and this. And I said to myself, I said it maybe to one of the executives at the Writers Guild. I said, you know, I never saw my face in, in the dictionary. It says, get the least amount of money for my client. That was not the definition under my face in, no, I mean, I, I, I, I believe and I say it in the book, I got, I, I was taught this by this, um, by this incredible business affairs person at Warner Brothers. In the day of friends and everything, and I was negotiating with him and I was a pipsqueak and he was the head

• 2:41:54Speaker 04

  um, business affairs guy at Warner Brothers. And he goes, I said, this is not fair. And he said, and I'm, I'm in Beverly Hills. He goes, drive out to the valley. I get into his office and he goes, young man, fair is where we end up. And as an agent, you try and get to a fair place for both sides.

• 2:42:12Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:42:12Speaker 04

  And that is a good deal.

• 2:42:13Speaker 00

  You don't start at fair.

• 2:42:15Speaker 04

  No, of course not.

• 2:42:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 2:42:16Speaker 04

  Right. Cause wherever you end up is fair.

• 2:42:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:42:19Speaker 02

  Right. What if you start at a point where you anchored the negotiation too far in the unfair category? Like, and somebody calls you out?

• 2:42:27Speaker 04

  Well, you know, here's the call out. They don't counter. Then you look like a schmuck.

• 2:42:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:32Speaker 04

  You know, and like, no, I'm not doing that. And it depends on how much leverage you have. You know, do they need it? How much do they need it? You have to read those situations. You have to convince the client that's a crazy ask if you believe instinct and why and understand all those little subtleties.

• 2:42:49Speaker 02

  I have kind of like a macro sports related question for you because we, you know, we, we pay attention to the business dealings in sports, but I wouldn't say that we're necessarily like experts on it. And one thing that's been in the news a lot recently is private equity getting involved in whether it's professional sports or like college sports. But I, I understand that the teams are getting too expensive. Where we're running out of people to buy a team that don't already have one. So you have to open it up to international investors, private equity funds, you name it. But across the board, it seems like private equity is seen as a big net negative for fans. For the, for the fans of sports.

• 2:43:31Speaker 04

  Why?

• 2:43:31Speaker 02

  Because their goal in the entire relationship is to maximize profit.

• 2:43:36Speaker 04

  So is everybody's.

• 2:43:36Speaker 02

  For the company, not necessarily like.

• 2:43:38Speaker 04

  That's not true.

• 2:43:38Speaker 02

  I think.

• 2:43:39Speaker 04

  Everybody's, everybody's.

• 2:43:41Speaker 02

  I disagree.

• 2:43:42Speaker 04

  You do?

• 2:43:42Speaker 02

  I do.

• 2:43:42Speaker 04

  All right. So explain to me who, who's not looking to make profits?

• 2:43:45Speaker 02

  Well, everyone's looking to make profits.

• 2:43:46Speaker 00

  So private equity is bad for the consumer.

• 2:43:48Speaker 02

  You have to have a business.

• 2:43:49Speaker 04

  Why?

• 2:43:49Speaker 02

  I understand.

• 2:43:49Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 2:43:50Speaker 04

  I'm asking why? I'm just, I want to know your thought process on that.

• 2:43:53Speaker 02

  My thought process is that you, you look, private equity tends to look around the margins where they can spend less money, decrease costs, increase profits, and that typically more often than not has a result of the consumer paying more and it feeling like it's less about.

• 2:44:08Speaker 04

  I think that's contingent, that's contingent on the industry.

• 2:44:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, we have less chicken in our burritos at Chipotle because of private equity.

• 2:44:16Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know. I don't.

• 2:44:17Speaker 00

  No, no, that's a fact. No, they nerfed it. Ari?

• 2:44:19Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't eat that.

• 2:44:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. But guys like us, we're guys that eat that. And we know that private equity comes in and they cut all the margins and then we have a worse product.

• 2:44:28Speaker 04

  There might be private equity that has come in and done that. And that.

• 2:44:31Speaker 00

  I think a lot of them do.

• 2:44:32Speaker 04

  Okay, great.

• 2:44:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:44:33Speaker 04

  I have dealt with private equity and I said, I dealt with Egon Durbin and Silverlake. They're incredible businessmen. They run it for long-term and, and I know a lot of private equity that do this. So I don't know that situation at Chipotle or any of the other places you're talking about. But I think what's happening now is private equity is coming in there. I think it's going to be,

• 2:44:59Speaker 04

  because you have pretty good commissioners, both at baseball, hockey, Adam, you know, Roger, that are very smart.

• 2:45:07Speaker 04

  And they will put to, to, to kind of address your issue that they

• 2:45:13Speaker 04

  chisel on the economics and make the product. They, I think they will put the proper guardrails in if they're going to permit private equity come in for more than, I think right now the, the cap at the NFL is 10% or, and in the NBA is 20%. I don't, I don't remember all the caps.

• 2:45:31Speaker 04

  I, I think they will put guardrails in to make sure that the product is not diminished.

• 2:45:36Speaker 02

  I think the, yes.

• 2:45:37Speaker 04

  I, I believe.

• 2:45:38Speaker 02

  I, I think that if you're talking about is, is the quality of play or the athletes getting better in sports like football?

• 2:45:44Speaker 04

  Crazy.

• 2:45:45Speaker 02

  The answer is yes. The answer is yes, across the board.

• 2:45:47Speaker 04

  Every sport, I think.

• 2:45:48Speaker 02

  But I, I think you and I are talking about different things in terms of like, is it improving? From my point, I.

• 2:45:52Speaker 04

  What do you mean by, you mean?

• 2:45:53Speaker 02

  So from a fan's perspective, it is harder for a family to go to a baseball game than it was when I was a kid.

• 2:46:00Speaker 04

  Because of ticket prices and stuff and food and everything?

• 2:46:03Speaker 02

  Everything across the board. And it does seem like a lot of that is, you know, not, not all private equity. There's certainly some teams that are run by owners that.

• 2:46:10Speaker 04

  Incredible.

• 2:46:10Speaker 02

  They will do anything to just try to make money. And in baseball especially, you don't, you don't have to have a good team to make money in baseball is the, the dirty secret that got out a little bit ago. But I think that what I'm speaking about is the, the game day fan experience or just being a fan, the amount of money you have to pay to get the games at home.

• 2:46:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:46:27Speaker 02

  It's driven by people that are, like you said, like focused on making that profit. Whereas before it wasn't always that case where there were teams that were run by owners who, sure, they want to, you have to make money. It's a business. You have to make money or else good luck, your team's not going to be good and you're going to have to sell it. Forget about it. Not going to work. But making money was less. And I don't, I don't.

• 2:46:47Speaker 04

  It wasn't at the forefront.

• 2:46:47Speaker 02

  I'm not even saying it wasn't number one concern, but what I'm saying is it is one of a concern that was also weighed across the board with, we have to make sure that our fans have a good experience because we love this sport and we love the tradition of it more so than we love looking at our balance sheet at the end of the year.

• 2:47:03Speaker 04

  Here's what I would say. I don't like generalizing about private equity. The experience I've had with private equity has been really great.

• 2:47:09Speaker 00

  You're a vegetarian. You don't eat Portillo's.

• 2:47:12Speaker 04

  I might be one, I might be one of one. But again, I would say Silverlake is incredible.

• 2:47:19Speaker 00

  But you've made a lot of money with them, I'd assume.

• 2:47:20Speaker 04

  I've made them a lot of money and they have backed every play and they have made me a lot of money.

• 2:47:25Speaker 02

  That is one thing that if I'm looking at like the big picture of American sports, because we're, this podcast, this whole company in itself is, is a large byproduct of us being fans and of like a fanatic.

• 2:47:36Speaker 04

  Listen, I can't argue. This is what you're feeling.

• 2:47:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. But I, I also think that we're in danger of losing a lot of that over the course of the next 20 years. Because people will think that they're the product or they're getting wrung out for every dollar. And that's, that's, you know, what looks like is a cash cow right now. And it probably is, might start to dry up.

• 2:47:53Speaker 04

  Well, here's what's going on. I'll just, let's pull back. Here's what I believe is going on. As we just said, AI is coming, four day work weeks. They want to, in addition to investing in AI and data centers and all that crap, right? They realize live is a place where people are going to have to go. So then they're switching, one, they get a tax break when they own something. There's a lot of financial engineering that's happening. No question. That's true. And they don't know how to invest and, and the prices have gone up. They've raised a lot of money as values have gone up. So they buy it at X, it goes to Z. They're raising money in their funds. They can mark that up. There's a whole process to it. I, I agree with that. But I do think

• 2:48:39Speaker 04

  Adam Silver, Roger Goodell are understanding the possibilities that you're talking about and the need for the fan experience. I don't know if they have the answer, but they definitely, I know Roger has, I've talked to Adam, Adam has. So there's going to be a balance. They're going to get it wrong sometime. They're going to get it right sometimes. What for me, on a completely crazy one, I think the athletes are getting unbelievable, you know?

• 2:49:06Speaker 04

  If the Lakers are worth 12 and a half billion dollars and Josh is a really good guy, Bob Iger is a really smart guy, loves basketball. I said to everybody, I just said this on, on CNBC with David Faber and Mark Shapiro, my, my partner. I have four leagues. What is a league worth? What is the UFC? What's the WWE? What's our boxing business? What's that worth? If, if a team is worth this. So, and a weird selfish one, I'm like, knock yourself out over there. I, I don't want the bad fan experience to be horrible. I do not. Cause I'm, I'm, I'm a huge fan, you know? And I'm now an owner of a piece of the Raiders. So, but I'm like saying to myself, if a team's worth that, what's my league worth?

• 2:49:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:49:50Speaker 04

  You know, and so.

• 2:49:51Speaker 02

  Did you go to meetings with Mark Davis?

• 2:49:53Speaker 04

  I've been, yeah, Mark's great.

• 2:49:55Speaker 00

  He's the man. You gotta get him on our show. He's our white whale.

• 2:49:57Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:49:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:49:59Speaker 04

  I will call him right after this.

• 2:50:00Speaker 00

  Love that.

• 2:50:01Speaker 02

  Can he call him now?

• 2:50:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. I don't know if I can get him on the phone. Do you really love Mark?

• 2:50:06Speaker 00

  We've seen him multiple times and asked him to come on the show. I don't know if he knows what.

• 2:50:10Speaker 04

  But what it is?

• 2:50:11Speaker 02

  He said, he said, sure, a couple of times.

• 2:50:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I think, I think what you should do is have him and Egon on the show.

• 2:50:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. But he's, yeah, PF Chang's with Mark Davis is our dream lunch.

• 2:50:21Speaker 02

  Yes, we will, we will fly to him.

• 2:50:23Speaker 04

  I'll text him right now.

• 2:50:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:50:24Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:50:25Speaker 00

  I think you should call him.

• 2:50:26Speaker 04

  I'm not going that on the.

• 2:50:27Speaker 00

  Well, if you're, if you're a super agent that gets deals done, I think you would call him, right?

• 2:50:31Speaker 04

  If I get this, I just want you every week, buy the book, buy the book.

• 2:50:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, we'll say it. I'll say it.

• 2:50:36Speaker 04

  I'll give you.

• 2:50:36Speaker 00

  If you get us Mark Davis in-person interview, I will, I will tell everyone that I see for the rest of my life, buy the book.

• 2:50:44Speaker 04

  Mark Davis and Egon on the show. Cause I know Egon listens to the show.

• 2:50:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:50:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:50:48Speaker 02

  How about this? How about we do a PF Chang's live interview with Mark Davis and you get 10%.

• 2:50:53Speaker 04

  I just texted.

• 2:50:53Speaker 02

  Whatever the bill is, we're giving you 10%.

• 2:50:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Wait. So, so that the, can I ask a question about the Lakers real quick?

• 2:51:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:51:00Speaker 00

  And you might be too close to it. So you might not be able to answer. What, what is going on with this situation? The Mark Walters thing? Cause that, that was 10 million, then it was 12 and a half million a year later. You just say I, or 12 and a half billion. Cause you just mentioned 12 and a half billion.

• 2:51:14Speaker 04

  I think that's what the number that they said.

• 2:51:16Speaker 00

  But there's no way it went up two and a half billion in a year.

• 2:51:18Speaker 04

  Yes, it is.

• 2:51:19Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:51:19Speaker 04

  Yes. Yes.

• 2:51:21Speaker 00

  It's not, it's not people helping other people out in a jam.

• 2:51:25Speaker 04

  I don't know anything except what I read and I don't know if that's true.

• 2:51:29Speaker 00

  I don't believe that.

• 2:51:30Speaker 04

  I don't know. I really don't know. The Mark Davis situation.

• 2:51:34Speaker 00

  Or, or Mark Walter.

• 2:51:35Speaker 04

  My, I mean, Mark, Mark Wal, I, I have no idea.

• 2:51:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51:38Speaker 04

  I've read every article that there is to read. There's the Dodgers situation. There's a Formula One situation. There's this history. There's the, the, the WNBA situation. I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know that Josh Kushner and, and Bob Iger, two incredible human beings

• 2:52:00Speaker 04

  got the Lakers for 12 and a half billion dollars.

• 2:52:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:52:03Speaker 04

  That's, you know, he bought it for 10. He sold it. There's stuff, be, stuff around it. I don't know.

• 2:52:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:52:12Speaker 04

  So, I mean, everybody's value of everybody's team went up.

• 2:52:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, they, it's, it's a money glitch right now. Every team, no team has gone down.

• 2:52:21Speaker 04

  You know, in my events company, we own the Miami open in tennis and I don't know if you're a tennis fan. I'm a tennis fan.

• 2:52:27Speaker 00

  We are, uh.

• 2:52:29Speaker 00

  That's what they do.

• 2:52:31Speaker 00

  Talking tennis.

• 2:52:31Speaker 04

  Hey, you know, it's the third most watched sport in the world, in the world, 10th most monetized, tennis.

• 2:52:38Speaker 00

  That seems like you're, you're.

• 2:52:39Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm getting.

• 2:52:40Speaker 00

  Underperforming.

• 2:52:41Speaker 04

  Well, we're going to get, we're going to.

• 2:52:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:52:42Speaker 04

  We're going to get to perform.

• 2:52:43Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:52:44Speaker 04

  And I said to my guys, cause owning, owning a 1,000, which is Miami and Madrid is like owning

• 2:52:54Speaker 04

  the Cubs and the Red Sox. It is. I'm like, re, reprice that thing, you know, move that equity up with that, you know? So it's crazy. It, it's now, I agree with you. Like this, like it just like turned on and the prices went.

• 2:53:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:53:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53:11Speaker 02

  It's just like, if, yeah, from, from the outsider's perspective, it's somewhat suspicious.

• 2:53:15Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 2:53:16Speaker 02

  That it happened so quickly.

• 2:53:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:53:17Speaker 02

  When I, because I think if you buy a team, you're probably, you're not looking to sell it for.

• 2:53:21Speaker 00

  Within a year.

• 2:53:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, for at least.

• 2:53:23Speaker 04

  Here's, I think also what you're, what you're hoping that it's, and I think I, I don't want to read into it. Behind the scenes, because I love sports. You guys love sports.

• 2:53:37Speaker 04

  You just don't want it to be a financial transaction.

• 2:53:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53:40Speaker 04

  You want it to be the love of sport. I, I grew up with my grandfather watching the WWF, crusher and the bruiser here. I, I was a wrestler in high school. I love the UFC. I've represented it for 26 years now. I've owned it since 2016. I'm, I've become a fan of bull riding. I love boxing. I love our sports. And so, and I get to make money and, and, and, and I'm blessed. But you don't want somebody just like, I, I bought it for 10, I sold it for 12 and a half.

• 2:54:14Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:54:15Speaker 04

  That, that, that, that, that ruins the experience just generally.

• 2:54:19Speaker 00

  And also just like someone who buys it and doesn't have any connection to

• 2:54:22Speaker 04

  To it.

• 2:54:22Speaker 00

  The city or like to make it better.

• 2:54:24Speaker 04

  But I would say the following, and you might not think this is good, as a Cub fan, I don't like it. And hopefully it doesn't cause a strike in baseball.

• 2:54:31Speaker 00

  Well, I think a strike's coming, but yeah.

• 2:54:32Speaker 04

  I, I agree.

• 2:54:33Speaker 00

  Also, we did have Scott Boris on.

• 2:54:34Speaker 04

  I mean, you're sitting, you're sitting there.

• 2:54:38Speaker 04

  He did an incredible job. Take the Lakers out, he has done an incredible job with the Dodgers. Now that might have, that situation might have caused a strike.

• 2:54:47Speaker 00

  We also, yeah, I mean, I guess we don't know

• 2:54:51Speaker 04

  Don't know.

• 2:54:51Speaker 00

  Where the money is and what's going on. I feel like there's some, some things that we might find out, but yeah, he has. He, every, every fan of any sport wants their owner to try to win a championship. And he has tried, he has done that time and time again.

• 2:55:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:55:04Speaker 00

  That's a fact.

• 2:55:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's like old Yankees.

• 2:55:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:55:07Speaker 04

  When Steinbrenner, you know?

• 2:55:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're just, you know, player they want.

• 2:55:10Speaker 02

  And those guys like Steinbrenner, great for sports.

• 2:55:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:55:13Speaker 04

  Love the game.

• 2:55:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. And also evil, like the, you do need good and evil in sports. You need the team that everyone's going after. And, and so I think that NBA is in a weird spot right now, actually, because they wanted parody so bad. And dynasties are what make the NBA, you know?

• 2:55:29Speaker 04

  And it doesn't, it doesn't exist. It could happen if he can stay healthy. I think he's only getting better, Wemby.

• 2:55:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, he's got to win one first.

• 2:55:39Speaker 04

  I know.

• 2:55:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:40Speaker 04

  But he's only been in the league two years and he's so young.

• 2:55:42Speaker 00

  Kind of choked last year.

• 2:55:44Speaker 02

  That was a crazy pass there.

• 2:55:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:55:45Speaker 02

  Remember that?

• 2:55:46Speaker 00

  What did, uh, Skip call him? Oh, victim Wemba.

• 2:55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:50Speaker 04

  Victim. He, what is he, 20?

• 2:55:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, we, this is us doing, like you did your spiel about not being a slimy agent. This is us doing our, where we're just giving out hot takes for no reason. Like Wemby's a choker.

• 2:56:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. A, a Frenchman can never win an NBA championship.

• 2:56:08Speaker 00

  That's the point of this show is to say the dumbest thing. AI can't figure that out yet.

• 2:56:12Speaker 02

  No French guy in San Antonio will ever win an NBA championship.

• 2:56:15Speaker 04

  How many MVPs have now come from international?

• 2:56:17Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 2:56:18Speaker 00

  A lot. It's actually the last, yeah, it's been a long time.

• 2:56:21Speaker 02

  I have a, like another big picture question, but about the entertainment industry when it comes to movies. Uh, why don't we make original comedy movies anymore?

• 2:56:29Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:56:31Speaker 04

  Well, I will say the following, Mark Wahlberg has an original comedy coming out. Incredible, hysterical.

• 2:56:37Speaker 00

  You represent him?

• 2:56:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I represent Mark.

• 2:56:39Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. So yeah, it's incredible and hysterical.

• 2:56:41Speaker 04

  How am I doing as that scummy agent? I'm the scummy agent representing and kind of.

• 2:56:45Speaker 00

  Best movie ever.

• 2:56:46Speaker 02

  When, when did you watch it?

• 2:56:46Speaker 04

  And then, uh, I watched it

• 2:56:50Speaker 04

  three months ago.

• 2:56:51Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:56:51Speaker 04

  And I think I represent him too. Jonah Hill at Warner's.

• 2:56:56Speaker 00

  He's got an incredible movie coming too.

• 2:56:58Speaker 04

  An incredible comedy.

• 2:56:58Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:56:59Speaker 04

  Can you imagine? And so, um,

• 2:57:02Speaker 02

  I guess what I'm asking is, is big picture, why is it harder for, uh, original comedy scripts to get funded? And maybe unless they have a, a giant name attached to it.

• 2:57:09Speaker 04

  Here's what I'd say to you. We had COVID for four years. We had a writer's strike for two.

• 2:57:16Speaker 04

  Things were just streaming and, and that's where people were and that's how the business was going. Just because they weren't able to get to the theaters or whatever. You're now seeing an uptick in ticket price, I mean, in theater and, and attendance and et cetera. I think you're going to see a lot more comedies coming out.

• 2:57:34Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. Um, all right. So it has been awesome. Thank you for coming by.

• 2:57:38Speaker 04

  It's been incredible.

• 2:57:38Speaker 00

  Uh, go buy Roll the Calls, a memoir out now. Go buy it because we want to interview Mark Davis.

• 2:57:43Speaker 04

  I'm just hoping, Mark.

• 2:57:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. So we gotta get, we gotta get everyone.

• 2:57:46Speaker 04

  I promise I gotta, I gotta get this because I want that book right there.

• 2:57:50Speaker 00

  Listen.

• 2:57:50Speaker 04

  For, for at least five, five months.

• 2:57:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. The, the,

• 2:57:54Speaker 02

  That's a good start to the negotiation. Yeah, I'm actually not going to respond to that.

• 2:57:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. The, uh, our fans listen to Ride or Die. So like if we're, if, if it means that we can get a Mark Davis, PF Chang's interview, uh, they'll,

• 2:58:05Speaker 04

  You'll go out to Vegas, wouldn't you?

• 2:58:06Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:58:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:58:07Speaker 00

  In a heartbeat, in a heartbeat. Uh, all right. So last question, Roback question, R H O B A C K dot com, promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase, Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com, promo code TAKE. It's coming from Zach. Do not steal Zach from us. Zach is an, is an upcoming star in this business.

• 2:58:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:58:25Speaker 00

  Zach. Hit me. How are we doing today? Sorry, I did have a quick question. Uh, with you representing people across like, uh, you know, all aspects of sports and entertainment. Did the, is your ability to like build common ground and rapport with essentially people from all sorts of different backgrounds? Is that something that kind of came naturally or something you had to work towards throughout your career?

• 2:58:43Speaker 04

  It was pretty easy.

• 2:58:44Speaker 00

  Pretty easy?

• 2:58:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:58:45Speaker 00

  That's awesome. People person.

• 2:58:47Speaker 04

  Uh, how, how am I doing?

• 2:58:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're doing great. Yeah.

• 2:58:50Speaker 04

  Never met you, right?

• 2:58:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, no.

• 2:58:52Speaker 04

  Don't let anybody know.

• 2:58:54Speaker 00

  Well, follow up.

• 2:58:55Speaker 04

  You know, I thought you guys were going to get mad at me.

• 2:58:57Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:58:57Speaker 02

  For what?

• 2:58:58Speaker 04

  You know, I started this podcast called Rushmore.

• 2:59:03Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:59:04Speaker 04

  I thought this, I was going to get a question from you guys and like kick the shit out of me.

• 2:59:08Speaker 02

  I'm glad, I'm glad you brought that up though.

• 2:59:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:59:11Speaker 02

  We invented Mount Rushmore.

• 2:59:12Speaker 04

  I know you did. I, I actually tip my hat to you.

• 2:59:15Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 2:59:15Speaker 04

  I've taken it to the next level.

• 2:59:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. Rushmore.

• 2:59:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:59:19Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah. Well, you'll, you'll get a cease and desist from us coming right up. We'll fight you in court.

• 2:59:24Speaker 02

  Zach's actually also a winner.

• 2:59:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:59:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:59:27Speaker 00

  Uh, not practicing right now, but you never know. Uh, I did have a quick follow up. Uh, obviously, uh, tons of hard work goes into success like, uh, that you're having. But what would you consider your biggest miss?

• 2:59:37Speaker 04

  I just, he just asked me that question.

• 2:59:39Speaker 00

  It's okay. I'm, I'm.

• 2:59:40Speaker 04

  You mean on a client or just generally?

• 2:59:42Speaker 00

  I would like to apologize for, for that. No, no, don't apologize.

• 2:59:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, never apologize.

• 2:59:47Speaker 00

  He, because, no, no.

• 2:59:48Speaker 04

  Never apologize.

• 2:59:49Speaker 00

  Good question.

• 2:59:50Speaker 04

  Good question.

• 2:59:51Speaker 00

  Because.

• 2:59:51Speaker 04

  You just gotta pay attention.

• 2:59:52Speaker 00

  No, no, no. But Ari skated out of the biggest miss question. He said, oh, I've never missed.

• 2:59:57Speaker 04

  No, I didn't say I've never missed.

• 2:59:59Speaker 00

  You're like Lenny Dykstra picking stocks.

• 3:00:00Speaker 04

  No, I didn't say I never missed. I said, you know, I represent who I'm supposed to represent and I, and I'm really proud of it.

• 3:00:06Speaker 00

  There's gotta be a miss.

• 3:00:07Speaker 04

  There's not a miss.

• 3:00:08Speaker 00

  There's gotta be a miss.

• 3:00:09Speaker 04

  No, there's not a miss.

• 3:00:10Speaker 02

  A trend that blindsided you.

• 3:00:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:00:14Speaker 00

  Something.

• 3:00:15Speaker 02

  Something you relate to. You're like, damn, I wish I'd

• 3:00:18Speaker 00

  Ah, shit.

• 3:00:18Speaker 02

  Listened and, and done that thing earlier.

• 3:00:20Speaker 00

  I didn't see Beanie Babies coming.

• 3:00:23Speaker 04

  Matt and Trey.

• 3:00:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:00:24Speaker 04

  South Park.

• 3:00:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, those guys are big.

• 3:00:26Speaker 04

  I represent them now.

• 3:00:27Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:00:29Speaker 04

  Uh, I think it was at, it was either at Toronto or Sundance. It was in a hotel room.

• 3:00:38Speaker 04

  Somebody showed me the animation and I had, I was involved with Mike Judge through Greg Daniels on King of the Hill. And, um,

• 3:00:49Speaker 04

  for whatever reason, maybe it was the timing, I hadn't gotten sleep, I just didn't get it.

• 3:00:56Speaker 00

  That's a good one.

• 3:00:57Speaker 04

  Years later, I now represent them with other people.

• 3:01:00Speaker 00

  So that's why you don't have misses that when you miss, you just come back, circle back around and you're like.

• 3:01:05Speaker 04

  I'm getting the rebound.

• 3:01:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's good. All right. Zach, you good? I'm good. This is awesome. Did you have another que, last question? It feels like you have one loaded. All right. One more follow up question. Is there an Ari blacklist? And if so, could you share any of the names?

• 3:01:20Speaker 04

  Ooh, it's in the book.

• 3:01:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:01:23Speaker 04

  We had that question too, Dill. What the fuck?

• 3:01:26Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ, they've asked this question.

• 3:01:27Speaker 00

  All right. You know, you're in negotiation, Ari, you gotta circle back. We gotta, we gotta hammer these points. Yeah, we gotta hammer it.

• 3:01:32Speaker 04

  I answered it.

• 3:01:33Speaker 00

  Who's going to be the most mad reading this book?

• 3:01:43Speaker 04

  Probably Jeffrey Katzenberg.

• 3:01:44Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:01:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:45Speaker 00

  Okay. Is there going to be a couple of people that are going to be mad though?

• 3:01:48Speaker 04

  No, I don't, I don't think so.

• 3:01:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a lie.

• 3:01:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:01:51Speaker 00

  Definitely some people that are mad, but that's what you gotta do.

• 3:01:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:01:55Speaker 02

  But that's good. That's good for business, getting fights with people.

• 3:01:57Speaker 04

  He hasn't, he hasn't hit me back. It's pissing me off right now.

• 3:02:00Speaker 02

  So if you're raging against somebody, are you aware of the fact that eventually your rage and their rage will break through? And you'll end up becoming good friends?

• 3:02:07Speaker 04

  You know, there's sometimes you, you, when you rage, um, I, I, I had, I started out as a, as a verbal fight at Sundance or Toronto with Michael Moore, who did Fairnight 9/11, you know, um, and other great documentaries. And then I've represented them now for

• 3:02:28Speaker 04

  25 years, but it started out screaming at me.

• 3:02:30Speaker 00

  Have you ever gotten physical?

• 3:02:31Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:02:32Speaker 00

  Like, but just a little.

• 3:02:33Speaker 04

  Emotionally.

• 3:02:34Speaker 02

  The chair.

• 3:02:34Speaker 04

  Emotionally, I wanted, emotionally, I wanted to get physical.

• 3:02:37Speaker 00

  You get tired, does the rage like, uh, zap your energy faster like a video game?

• 3:02:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:02:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:02:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I guess you, you wouldn't waste your time raging against somebody if you didn't think that there was something real and valuable.

• 3:02:50Speaker 04

  You know, I, I had, I got in a fight. I don't know if you watch, uh, Morning Joe on MS now with Joe Scarborough.

• 3:02:57Speaker 02

  Zach's a big fan.

• 3:02:57Speaker 00

  I do not.

• 3:02:58Speaker 04

  Be a big fan?

• 3:02:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:59Speaker 04

  So I start, that started out as a fight too. And they started screaming at me. I started screaming at them. 10 minutes later, we hung up.

• 3:03:09Speaker 02

  The next day they called and said, you know, we want, we want you to represent us. And I said, okay, let's do it.

• 3:03:14Speaker 00

  I love it. Okay. So the rage gets you, gets you.

• 3:03:17Speaker 02

  This has been incredible.

• 3:03:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, this has been so much fun. Ever go by, uh, roll the calls, a memoir. Ari Emanuel, thank you so much.

• 3:03:22Speaker 02

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• 3:05:26Speaker 00

  Okay, Fyre Fest of the Week, Henry.

• 3:05:32Speaker 04

  Not a bad week. I have had one interaction that I've been, I've been replaying in my head last few days with Scotty Scheffler.

• 3:05:40Speaker 00

  Which one?

• 3:05:41Speaker 04

  We did the interview in a hotel room where it was like the, the suite where you guys did the interview. It was like packed. Me, Zach and memes and the audio guy were kind of like around a corner in like the bedroom of the, of the hotel room.

• 3:05:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:05:55Speaker 04

  And the interview ended, you guys took a picture with Scotty. I didn't, and like, you know, sometimes I'll ask and like, I love Scotty Scheffler, but I, I, will usually like ask, like, I'm gonna ask for a picture or whatever. Like I, I didn't with Scotty, but you guys yelled my name. You're like Hank. And so I like, kind of just walked into the frame right away. Like, oh, you want a picture? And I just kind of froze. Like I wasn't really thinking about getting a picture with Scotty and like, in that moment I just got awkward. I was like, uh, uh, no, I'm, I'm good. And then Scotty was like, whoa, dude, you like ran in here. You're gonna, don't want a picture? And then I, like, it was so awkward. Didn't end up taking the picture. And it was just a really awkward moment.

• 3:06:36Speaker 02

  Wait, he called you out for like being super eager to take the picture?

• 3:06:39Speaker 04

  Well, like I was literally like one foot around the corner. So when you said my name, I was like instantly in the door frame. Yeah.

• 3:06:47Speaker 02

  You looked like you wanted it.

• 3:06:47Speaker 00

  You looked like you wanted it bad.

• 3:06:49Speaker 04

  But I, you like, we've obviously done this show forever. I, I like, I, in hindsight, it would have been a million times less awkward if I had just taken the picture. But it, I just, I like, you know, short circuited a little bit in that moment, like just cause I, I wasn't thinking about it till you said it. And like, I, I usually, we've done this show.

• 3:07:09Speaker 03

  It was a little awkward. I was, I was standing right now. I remember it.

• 3:07:12Speaker 04

  We've done this show. Yeah. It was, it was awkward. I just, it was, it was awkward. Like, so that, that was my Fyre Fest. We've done the show for 10 years. We have a lot of guests. We, we meet a lot of people. I usually ask for pictures of people that like I was, I guess like a big fan of when I was a kid, like when it's like, oh, like David Ortiz or Julian Edelman. Like those type of guys are the ones that like, I'll ask for pictures. I'm not going to be the person that's going to ask for a picture with every guest that's in this office.

• 3:07:39Speaker 04

  But yeah, I should have just said yes and taken a picture. Would have, and I would have been cool to have. But yeah, that was, that was awkward. It was, it was.

• 3:07:48Speaker 02

  Do you think he felt awkward?

• 3:07:50Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:07:50Speaker 00

  You've the, the, uh,

• 3:07:51Speaker 04

  He said he's like, well, you came in here quick. You don't want a picture?

• 3:07:54Speaker 02

  You think he's still thinking about it?

• 3:07:55Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:07:56Speaker 02

  Like in doing that thing where you think back and you're, you like cringe a little bit like, ah, looked like an idiot.

• 3:08:01Speaker 00

  He's probably thinking about it.

• 3:08:03Speaker 04

  I, I, he's not.

• 3:08:04Speaker 03

  We could have so easily taken the picture too.

• 3:08:06Speaker 04

  No, I know. Yeah, no, I know. I know.

• 3:08:08Speaker 00

  Picture time.

• 3:08:09Speaker 03

  I had my phone in my hand.

• 3:08:11Speaker 00

  It was literally picture time.

• 3:08:12Speaker 03

  You guys were staring at each other.

• 3:08:13Speaker 00

  And they brought the president's cup out.

• 3:08:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08:15Speaker 00

  For the pictures.

• 3:08:17Speaker 04

  It was, it was, it was, it was, it was.

• 3:08:19Speaker 00

  All right. So we gotta get you a picture with Scotty.

• 3:08:21Speaker 02

  We gotta redo this.

• 3:08:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, we gotta get you a picture.

• 3:08:24Speaker 02

  Very obvious. We have to redo this.

• 3:08:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, we gotta get you a picture with Scotty.

• 3:08:27Speaker 04

  It will. Yeah.

• 3:08:28Speaker 02

  It's the only way to get closer for you.

• 3:08:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:08:30Speaker 02

  You're gonna be thinking about it.

• 3:08:31Speaker 04

  No, I now wish I didn't bring it up on the show.

• 3:08:33Speaker 02

  Cause memes is gonna bring it up all the time.

• 3:08:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, to, to be fair, Hank did big time.

• 3:08:38Speaker 02

  In what way?

• 3:08:38Speaker 03

  He was like, no, I'm good. I don't want a picture.

• 3:08:42Speaker 02

  You're big time Scotty.

• 3:08:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:08:44Speaker 04

  It was like,

• 3:08:45Speaker 00

  I will say I regret.

• 3:08:47Speaker 04

  I, you, you were like, Hank, you want a picture? And like, I like, or like,

• 3:08:50Speaker 00

  It's our fault.

• 3:08:51Speaker 04

  And I was like, in my, my initial reaction was just like, no, like, no, I was just like, not like, I was not thinking about taking a picture. I was like, no, I'm like, I was like, no, I'm like, and I,

• 3:09:02Speaker 00

  So next time, don't say Hank, do you want a picture?

• 3:09:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:09:06Speaker 02

  It sounds like you said it too loud.

• 3:09:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:09:09Speaker 02

  My bad. And that was, dad, you're embarrassed.

• 3:09:10Speaker 04

  You didn't ask anyone else.

• 3:09:12Speaker 00

  Well, because you're the golf guy.

• 3:09:13Speaker 04

  I know, but like he's, I don't know. It was, it was, I should have just said yes.

• 3:09:16Speaker 00

  Blaming, yeah.

• 3:09:17Speaker 04

  I should have just said yes.

• 3:09:18Speaker 02

  This is a great transition.

• 3:09:20Speaker 00

  By asking Hank, do you want a picture with Scotty Scheffler?

• 3:09:22Speaker 02

  It's so nice to watch Hank go from like embarrassed, reflective about what went wrong.

• 3:09:27Speaker 00

  Me, did you do this coming?

• 3:09:28Speaker 02

  To seeing one little.

• 3:09:29Speaker 03

  I looked at you.

• 3:09:29Speaker 00

  Was he blaming me in the car?

• 3:09:33Speaker 03

  Big cat told me to get a picture with him. I was like, this is your fault.

• 3:09:36Speaker 00

  What the fuck?

• 3:09:36Speaker 04

  I'm not blaming you. I'm blaming myself.

• 3:09:38Speaker 00

  I checked. It was like, my guy Hank loves golf. Scotty Scheffler, the best golfer in the world is right here. I'm going to ask if my guy Hank would like to get a picture.

• 3:09:48Speaker 04

  And that was very nice gesture. I like, I was just like,

• 3:09:54Speaker 04

  I don't know. You know, when you think about like, oh, like I'm gonna ask to take a picture with this person. So when you said, do you want a picture? And I was like, no, like I, like my, my, I just answered honestly in that second. I was like, no, like I'm good. But then he, then it was so awkward. And I was like, what? Why? Like, why? No, it's my bad. I, it was a nice gesture by you.

• 3:10:11Speaker 02

  Just say he screwed up.

• 3:10:12Speaker 04

  Scott, I, I, I said that. I said that. I already said that multiple times. It's my Fyre Fest. It was awkward.

• 3:10:19Speaker 00

  Scotty's the man.

• 3:10:20Speaker 04

  And it was awkward because of me. Scotty was the man. Should have just said yes.

• 3:10:25Speaker 02

  It's persuasive.

• 3:10:25Speaker 04

  Now it's more awkward.

• 3:10:27Speaker 00

  He'll listen to this and we'll get you a picture.

• 3:10:29Speaker 02

  That's, that's persuasive. I think.

• 3:10:31Speaker 00

  Scotty, you want to get a picture with Hank?

• 3:10:33Speaker 04

  No, he doesn't. Like, like,

• 3:10:36Speaker 02

  Bad guy.

• 3:10:37Speaker 00

  Bad guy.

• 3:10:38Speaker 04

  Whatever.

• 3:10:38Speaker 00

  I, I will say this. Uh, I think that like in our line of work, we get to meet all these people and there's definitely, I, I, I think about it a lot where I'm like, don't get jaded because this is a dream. And like for so LeBron mentioning Fasoli today, that's like, you're not jaded. That was like a holy fuck. I can't believe this is happening. LeBron James knows who Fasoli is. Scotty watching advisors is still one of my favorite things in the world. Like that, that still blows my mind and I'm so grateful that he's watching Stu Feiner talk about, you know, well, tune into advisors tonight. Cause.

• 3:11:16Speaker 04

  Possibly the most off the rail advisors, like, and that's saying a lot. It was, I was thinking about that as we're watching it back. I was like,

• 3:11:23Speaker 00

  Teaser, ready for this?

• 3:11:24Speaker 04

  Scotty Scheffler watches this. I can't believe anyone watches this.

• 3:11:26Speaker 00

  15, Hank.

• 3:11:29Speaker 04

  It's,

• 3:11:30Speaker 00

  15, 15.

• 3:11:31Speaker 04

  Not like that, but it's fucking insane. It's, it's insane.

• 3:11:34Speaker 00

  15, 15, 30 doesn't happen anymore.

• 3:11:37Speaker 02

  I don't know. Yeah. Which the first 15 or the second 15?

• 3:11:42Speaker 00

  You'll have to tune into advisors to find out.

• 3:11:44Speaker 02

  Or the 30?

• 3:11:44Speaker 00

  No, he's, he's, he's adjusted all the numbers.

• 3:11:47Speaker 02

  Is it now?

• 3:11:48Speaker 00

  Lower.

• 3:11:49Speaker 02

  30, 36?

• 3:11:50Speaker 00

  No, it's lower.

• 3:11:50Speaker 02

  5510?

• 3:11:51Speaker 00

  He's getting older.

• 3:11:53Speaker 02

  Are we talking five, five, 10?

• 3:11:54Speaker 00

  No, you wouldn't be able to guess it.

• 3:11:57Speaker 02

  One, one, three?

• 3:11:57Speaker 00

  You, you wouldn't be able to guess it a million times because it's, it's very specific.

• 3:12:03Speaker 00

  But yeah, Scotty Shuffler with his beautiful family before they go to church, watch Stu Fighters.

• 3:12:09Speaker 04

  That's what I was.

• 3:12:10Speaker 00

  I love it. I love it.

• 3:12:11Speaker 02

  I also, I do, I do also love the idea of LeBron James thinking about Fasola.

• 3:12:16Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:12:16Speaker 02

  Just thinking about.

• 3:12:17Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. But Scotty's the fucking man.

• 3:12:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:19Speaker 00

  And you, I shouldn't have, damn it.

• 3:12:23Speaker 04

  I never said that. I never blamed you.

• 3:12:25Speaker 00

  But no, I, yeah.

• 3:12:26Speaker 02

  You're right. You didn't, but.

• 3:12:28Speaker 04

  If you hadn't said it, that interaction never would have happened.

• 3:12:32Speaker 02

  You never, you never blamed him, but after explanation, I, I, I kind of, I do blame Big Cat.

• 3:12:36Speaker 00

  It got more and more clear that I was.

• 3:12:39Speaker 02

  Like when I, when I find out all the facts, Big Cat's kind of a dickhead.

• 3:12:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. I can't believe I asked if you wanted a picture.

• 3:12:45Speaker 04

  No, it's not, it's not, it's my fault. It's my fault. You asked Scotty that question.

• 3:12:49Speaker 00

  BFT.

• 3:12:51Speaker 02

  Um, a pretty clean week. The only thing I'm dealing with right now, I'm dealing with a phone that, uh, for some reason, when they announced that the new phone was coming out, the battery, just everything about it just went to dog shit. So I think I told you guys the other week that I'm having to like daisy chain it with a, a magnetic charger that I charge while I put that on my phone to get my phone charged. Like I, I've lost all capacity to charge my phone.

• 3:13:15Speaker 04

  When did you last get a new phone?

• 3:13:17Speaker 02

  It's been probably like three and a half years, but I've got a plan. My plan is in place. I just have to get through October. I'm going to get the fold iPhone. The one that has the big screen that you fold up. So basically I've got a phone that's, it's, I've got Mitch McConnell in my pocket and I'm just trying to get through October.

• 3:13:36Speaker 00

  That's a long time.

• 3:13:37Speaker 02

  And then.

• 3:13:37Speaker 00

  And that's also the most important, like month of the year.

• 3:13:41Speaker 02

  But it's working. So the phone is working. I just have to do like very delicate stages. It's got a, it's in hospice right now. So I'm just making it comfortable.

• 3:13:49Speaker 00

  You wait until October when the new phone comes out?

• 3:13:51Speaker 02

  That's, yeah, that's when I can get the new phone.

• 3:13:53Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 3:13:54Speaker 02

  Um, so I just have like three weeks that I gotta get through and it's, it's working.

• 3:13:57Speaker 00

  Wait, is the new iPhone out yet?

• 3:14:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:14:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:14:01Speaker 02

  So I, I can buy it. I think like first or second week in October, and then they're getting delivered. I think the third week in October.

• 3:14:07Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 3:14:08Speaker 02

  So, uh, that's, that's the plan for now. It's probably going to be a shitty phone, uh, cause it's like the first generation of the fold phone.

• 3:14:14Speaker 00

  Oh, you're getting the fold?

• 3:14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. I kind of want to see what it's about.

• 3:14:17Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 3:14:18Speaker 02

  I don't know. Do you, where do you guys stand on fold phone now? Out?

• 3:14:21Speaker 00

  Too much.

• 3:14:23Speaker 02

  I'm seeing a lot. Max is thumbs downing.

• 3:14:25Speaker 04

  I don't fold phone, but if they decide to do the fold iPad and you can have a TV in your backpack.

• 3:14:29Speaker 02

  Zach isn't on the fold, fold phone. I mean, I just, I kind of, I kind of want to see what it's all about. What if it's, what if it's the best?

• 3:14:36Speaker 04

  It looks enticing, but I'm a fidget with the hands guy. So I feel like I'm going to, I'm snapping that thing week one, week two. Just playing with it.

• 3:14:42Speaker 02

  You think the, the hinges and the joints, your, your arms are too powerful.

• 3:14:46Speaker 00

  So is it double the screen?

• 3:14:48Speaker 02

  I'm not exactly sure. Yeah. I just saw that folded.

• 3:14:52Speaker 04

  Doubled up.

• 3:14:52Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah. You would eat it?

• 3:14:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'd probably just put it, I'd probably just chew on it or something.

• 3:14:59Speaker 02

  What?

• 3:14:59Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 3:15:01Speaker 00

  Fuck dude.

• 3:15:03Speaker 02

  I'd eat it. Cause the picture quality is that good. So if you like, if you.

• 3:15:06Speaker 00

  Is there a certain?

• 3:15:07Speaker 02

  A picture of a burger?

• 3:15:08Speaker 00

  So there's a certain phone size that if it gets too big, you're just like, that's actually the no fly zone for Max. He's going to eat it.

• 3:15:14Speaker 05

  I don't know what I said. You guys threw me off with Philly stuff.

• 3:15:17Speaker 02

  What's? That was like 30 minutes.

• 3:15:19Speaker 00

  Also, how do we throw you off of the Philly stuff? We just asked about the Phillies.

• 3:15:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, I didn't, I wasn't ready to talk about.

• 3:15:24Speaker 02

  Sir, the question was, is this your handwriting? Yeah. What's, what's a phone gets to be the size of a, a piece of toast? Max has to start chewing on it.

• 3:15:33Speaker 05

  I do chew on stuff.

• 3:15:34Speaker 02

  Uh, and then my other fire fest is, uh, I, I gotta take, I'm taking the El Camino on a little road trip tomorrow. And by road trip, I mean like about an hour and a half on the highway. And I don't know, I don't know if I'll ever be back.

• 3:15:47Speaker 04

  To where?

• 3:15:48Speaker 02

  We don't know.

• 3:15:49Speaker 00

  To golf.

• 3:15:50Speaker 02

  Golf. And then I'm, I'm driving it over to Michigan.

• 3:15:54Speaker 00

  Man.

• 3:15:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, um, if I don't see you guys on Sunday.

• 3:15:58Speaker 04

  Uh, we might see you at golf.

• 3:16:00Speaker 02

  And my phone dies, uh, I'm on the side of the road somewhere in Western Illinois.

• 3:16:05Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 3:16:05Speaker 02

  It's been real. Uh, good luck to the Phillies in the playoffs this year, and I'll see you guys in the funny papers.

• 3:16:11Speaker 00

  Go get it. Uh, all right. My fire fest, uh, is kind of similar to what I was talking about, like how lucky we are in, in, in this job. So I took, I'm, I'm my, my seven year old and he's starting to finally like get into sports with me, which is awesome. It's like the best experience. I took him to the Cubs game on Wednesday night. I'm lucky enough that like, I know all the guys, you know, the, the radio guys, the TV guys, and they've always said, hey, if you bring your kid, you ever want to come up and watch an inning up here? And I was with, uh, Waddle and Sylvie's producer, my friend Tyler, who also knew the Marlins announcer. So we went up there. Uh, and like incredible experience. He got to, he got to sit there with the, the headphones on and watch an inning in the radio booth.

• 3:16:53Speaker 00

  Like it was awesome. So we're sitting there and, uh, I see another friend of mine who works for the Cubs. He's like, hey, does he want to work the scoreboard? And I was like, are, are you fucking serious? Yes. So we go up and it's literally, there's a guy who sits up in the press box and he, he works the, the big old wiggly scoreboard, like the batter's number who's coming up in the outs and stuff. Cause there's an electronic part of it. So my son gets to work the scoreboard. He gets to punch in Kyle Stowers number 28. And, and like you get to see it on the scoreboard. It's fucking unbelievable experience. Kyle Stowers then hits a homerun like two seconds after he punches in his number. And I was like, we gotta get out of here. You're a jinx. And we get out, we like scram.

• 3:17:37Speaker 00

  And my son's like, what, what does jinx mean? Why did you call me a jinx? And I was like, well, you might've caused that homerun and it broke his heart. And it was like a first real experience of like, we're losers. We, we lose things and we have to blame ourselves. And having that experience of like, how, like, I was like, a jinx means you caused something to happen, even though you didn't, but you kind of did. And he's like, so I caused the Marlins to hit a homerun there? I was like, no, no.

• 3:18:06Speaker 05

  But.

• 3:18:07Speaker 00

  But maybe. So it was a, it was a tough, tough explanation. He, he was a jinx in that moment, like a hundred percent. That was his fault without a doubt.

• 3:18:19Speaker 02

  Do you think he knows? Like deep down?

• 3:18:21Speaker 00

  He did get back a little bit because he said that he, uh, then the Cubs scored and, uh, I think they, they, we tied it up two, two. And he told me after we tied it up, he's like, I actually was wishing for that run and he thinks that he can wish things like that. So I was like, good job. Solid job.

• 3:18:36Speaker 02

  You got turned into a positive. So, so it's not a jinx. It's like, you just, you're so good that you can give people the power to hit homeruns. Yeah. We just gotta make sure that you don't turn that power onto the, onto the guys that the Cubs are playing against.

• 3:18:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was a good, it was a good like first life lesson of, yeah, I mean, jinx is a real, and in that moment he was a jinx. Like a hundred percent that he, that homerun. And if we didn't make the playoffs, it probably would have been his fault. But we made the playoffs, so everything worked out.

• 3:19:02Speaker 02

  There's also nothing more fun than as a kid, like believing that you have an impact in the game.

• 3:19:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:19:07Speaker 02

  If you, if you put the whammy on somebody.

• 3:19:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:19:08Speaker 02

  And like you and your dad or your grandparents, like yelling at the TV or like shaking your hand at the TV, being like, I got that guy struck out. That was us.

• 3:19:16Speaker 00

  What are you pointing at?

• 3:19:17Speaker 04

  I was just making sure.

• 3:19:17Speaker 05

  Hank just fucking keeps looking at me when the fucking Dodgers suck.

• 3:19:24Speaker 04

  Just making sure it walked in.

• 3:19:26Speaker 00

  You're right. WFT, I agree with what you're saying.

• 3:19:31Speaker 00

  They're having a stare down.

• 3:19:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:19:33Speaker 05

  No, he is staring at me.

• 3:19:35Speaker 00

  And are you backing down?

• 3:19:37Speaker 05

  I'm watching the fucking baseball game.

• 3:19:40Speaker 04

  He just pointed at me through the, through the, the booth. He pointed straight at me like Gary Burtier.

• 3:19:45Speaker 02

  Oh, shit. Is this true?

• 3:19:50Speaker 05

  I don't, Hank, I don't care about Hank. I don't know what he's doing right now. I don't know what he's doing.

• 3:19:55Speaker 00

  I wanted to make sure you're, is it true what he just said?

• 3:19:57Speaker 02

  What we have to do at some point, we need to put a one-way mirror on this glass.

• 3:20:03Speaker 00

  I love this shit.

• 3:20:04Speaker 02

  Would we, I think we have.

• 3:20:07Speaker 05

  Fucking Hank in a box.

• 3:20:08Speaker 00

  No other show.

• 3:20:10Speaker 02

  We have to be.

• 3:20:10Speaker 04

  You're in a box. You're literally in a box.

• 3:20:12Speaker 05

  No, a one-way mirror.

• 3:20:14Speaker 02

  Into the, into the booth.

• 3:20:15Speaker 05

  But Hank can.

• 3:20:16Speaker 02

  I don't think you guys can't see out anymore. You, you've lost seeing out privilege.

• 3:20:19Speaker 00

  I disagree. I think this is.

• 3:20:21Speaker 04

  I would like it that Max could see me and I can't see.

• 3:20:25Speaker 00

  Are you looking at him again?

• 3:20:27Speaker 05

  The Dodger, oh my God. The Dodgers are a little league team.

• 3:20:32Speaker 05

  They scored one run in the past two games.

• 3:20:34Speaker 00

  I actually need the Dodgers to win very badly.

• 3:20:36Speaker 04

  Fleming is coming out.

• 3:20:38Speaker 05

  No, but Hank.

• 3:20:41Speaker 02

  Oh, it came out when Shay hit.

• 3:20:42Speaker 05

  No, what I just said is a fact. They've, they've scored one run in the past two games.

• 3:20:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. No one's saying it's not a fact.

• 3:20:49Speaker 05

  Well, he, he said the Fleming is coming out. The Fleming would be as a, the Dodgers haven't scored in 93 years.

• 3:20:56Speaker 04

  The little league team is.

• 3:20:57Speaker 05

  That's like a normal thing that everyone says when they're watching. It was shitty baseball team.

• 3:21:01Speaker 04

  It's the Dodgers.

• 3:21:02Speaker 05

  Yeah. And they're fucking kicking the ball around.

• 3:21:05Speaker 00

  All right, Zach, finish this off.

• 3:21:08Speaker 04

  It was an aggressive point, but, uh.

• 3:21:10Speaker 00

  Wait, who pointed?

• 3:21:11Speaker 04

  Max David pointed. Max reached through this window.

• 3:21:14Speaker 05

  The first point, the first point was Hank. Cause Hank looks at me and then he points at the TV after I'm seeing, after he sees me looking at the TV and seeing the Dodgers fucking implode. So the first point was to the TV from Hank while looking at me.

• 3:21:30Speaker 04

  That was a heads up though. That was like, that was like your, just being like.

• 3:21:33Speaker 05

  Point was you.

• 3:21:34Speaker 04

  Hey, we got action here. Point at the TV.

• 3:21:36Speaker 05

  But you looked at me watching it.

• 3:21:37Speaker 04

  Literally Gary Burtier on the sideline, running up to me.

• 3:21:41Speaker 02

  So wait, let me understand. You're mad because Hank pointed at the television.

• 3:21:49Speaker 02

  I'm trying to understand this, Max. There's a lot of people out there that are just listening to the show that might not see your, your, uh, enormous gestures and don't get it. Hank pointed at the TV.

• 3:22:00Speaker 04

  Because I meant.

• 3:22:01Speaker 02

  While looking at you and that offended you for some reason.

• 3:22:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:22:06Speaker 05

  You, you know, exact.

• 3:22:08Speaker 00

  Hank's hot right now.

• 3:22:11Speaker 02

  He is.

• 3:22:11Speaker 00

  But what did? He had me in the thunder.

• 3:22:14Speaker 02

  What did you point at?

• 3:22:15Speaker 00

  On Wednesday. Hank's getting us.

• 3:22:18Speaker 05

  I pointed at him because he was being a fucking ass.

• 3:22:20Speaker 00

  Hank, you're on a hot streak.

• 3:22:21Speaker 02

  So Max pointed at Hank, causing Hank to point at the TV.

• 3:22:25Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 3:22:27Speaker 00

  Hank pointed at the TV. Cause Max then pointed at Hank.

• 3:22:30Speaker 04

  Like way, like my, like my, my hand was here, my, my, my, my arms were like bent. I was just kind of like little, like, you know, point. Max was like full arm extended. Like Zach said, he pointed through the glass. Like he was trying to like.

• 3:22:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:22:47Speaker 04

  Assault. Give me a concussion.

• 3:22:49Speaker 05

  No, it was, it was a ferocious point, but I was feeling ferocious.

• 3:22:54Speaker 00

  Ferocious point. All right, Zach, what do you got?

• 3:22:58Speaker 04

  My, uh, my far faces week is a pretty good week, but, uh, this studio did get a recent upgrade.

• 3:23:04Speaker 02

  wood on the sidewall and I've been duped by the studio.

• 3:23:07Speaker 00

  What?

• 3:23:08Speaker 02

  I thought this, this might sound, and I would like some feedback, because maybe you guys thought the same thing.

• 3:23:12Speaker 04

  You could eat it?

• 3:23:13Speaker 02

  No, I, I thought that was a TV behind you for like three weeks now.

• 3:23:17Speaker 00

  The, the tick?

• 3:23:19Speaker 02

  I know now, because it came off the wall a second ago and has like a, like a command strip on the back. I thought, I thought that was like an interchangeable screen that you guys could throw things up on for like three weeks now.

• 3:23:29Speaker 04

  That's fair. I got framed, I got framed, I got reversed, that happened to be reversed with Dana Holgersen.

• 3:23:34Speaker 00

  What? Oh, when you, when you had-

• 3:23:36Speaker 04

  I was like, why do you have a picture like, is this, did this?

• 3:23:39Speaker 00

  Oh, it's a TV, yeah.

• 3:23:40Speaker 04

  Does it play or like die? Like, why do you have this giant picture of you in like, on the sideline, like? Random ass pictures, like you fucking idiot?

• 3:23:48Speaker 00

  It's TV.

• 3:23:48Speaker 04

  It's a frame.

• 3:23:50Speaker 02

  The bezels are the exact same. Yeah, they're nice. So if you get a pic, like a really nice picture of you with, like an idol of your Scotty Scheffler or something like that, you can always have it kind of rotating up on your wall.

• 3:23:59Speaker 00

  Can't you see behind it?

• 3:24:00Speaker 02

  No, I, no, it looks, it matches up like perfectly with the screens.

• 3:24:05Speaker 00

  I shouldn't have pointed.

• 3:24:06Speaker 02

  So now I know, but I, yeah.

• 3:24:08Speaker 00

  I agree with, uh, well, no, actually that's gonna trigger Max more. I think pointing is, Steven Che came up to me the other day and pointed at me and I said, put that thing away.

• 3:24:18Speaker 04

  I didn't put, pointed him.

• 3:24:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know you didn't. That's why I said it's gonna bother Max.

• 3:24:21Speaker 05

  But he...

• 3:24:23Speaker 00

  I, I literally made him like-

• 3:24:25Speaker 04

  I do that to you guys. Like, if something's happening, I'll be like, hey.

• 3:24:28Speaker 02

  You, you have, you have a very irritating point.

• 3:24:31Speaker 05

  You have a very irritating face.

• 3:24:33Speaker 02

  You have a very irritating point, Hank. It's very sharp.

• 3:24:37Speaker 04

  That's crazy. You're lashing out.

• 3:24:39Speaker 02

  No, I'm, I'm, I'm objectively saying-

• 3:24:41Speaker 04

  You're just trying to be like, you're just trying to be like Granola mom.

• 3:24:42Speaker 02

  No, that's just kind of what, what sets Max off a little bit. But like, if you go, how about you just start pointing hand up?

• 3:24:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:24:50Speaker 02

  It's a softer point.

• 3:24:51Speaker 00

  No, no, that's bad.

• 3:24:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:24:54Speaker 00

  That's really bad.

• 3:24:55Speaker 02

  That's a shrug, that's not a point.

• 3:24:56Speaker 00

  No, that's bad.

• 3:24:57Speaker 02

  How about if you go, uh, right hand, face down, and then you point?

• 3:25:01Speaker 00

  Here's the thing, here's the thing, Hank.

• 3:25:03Speaker 02

  Just try, Hank.

• 3:25:04Speaker 00

  As the years go by, Hank really is correct when he says he can't exist. Because his-

• 3:25:09Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 3:25:10Speaker 00

  No, no, no, listen to me. His face and mannerisms do piss everyone off.

• 3:25:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:25:15Speaker 05

  But he knows what he's doing.

• 3:25:17Speaker 04

  Existing.

• 3:25:18Speaker 05

  That is not existing.

• 3:25:20Speaker 00

  He is the best troll we have.

• 3:25:21Speaker 05

  You are a troll.

• 3:25:22Speaker 04

  I'm-

• 3:25:23Speaker 05

  You are a dirty little troll that lives under the bridge, and you fucking know it.

• 3:25:28Speaker 04

  I did literally like, I have to be in the studio while we record. My body is here, my face is here, and that's it. And everyone just gets mad.

• 3:25:38Speaker 02

  And wait, what, what about your, so everything else is elsewhere?

• 3:25:41Speaker 04

  Well, like, nothing else is, like, my hands, it's my hands and my face.

• 3:25:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, it's his hands and his face.

• 3:25:46Speaker 04

  Sometimes my outfits, Big Cat gets mad at my outfits.

• 3:25:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, what about your mind?

• 3:25:50Speaker 04

  My mind's mo-most of the time is here.

• 3:25:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:25:53Speaker 04

  Not, actually, not all the time.

• 3:25:54Speaker 00

  When he's a troll. He had a banner week, you guys saw in fits. He had to be so mad on Wednesday.

• 3:26:02Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 3:26:03Speaker 05

  This is Big Cat's fault, though.

• 3:26:05Speaker 00

  It is.

• 3:26:05Speaker 05

  You brought up the Phillies.

• 3:26:06Speaker 00

  I brought up the Phillies, I brought up the Scotty Scheffler picture, hand up. I shouldn't have brought up the Phillies on a, uh, sports podcast, and I shouldn't have asked, uh, our guy who loves golf more than anything, if he wanted a picture with the best golfer in the world.

• 3:26:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I should have said yes.

• 3:26:22Speaker 04

  Maybe, maybe, maybe Saturday.

• 3:26:24Speaker 00

  My bad.

• 3:26:24Speaker 05

  It was such a long pause.

• 3:26:26Speaker 00

  What, what?

• 3:26:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I just, I froze. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:26:29Speaker 05

  Such a long pause. It was tough.

• 3:26:31Speaker 00

  Do we have it on video?

• 3:26:32Speaker 05

  No, uh, we might.

• 3:26:34Speaker 00

  We gotta find it.

• 3:26:35Speaker 02

  Is there any other, uh, Fyre Fest for you guys?

• 3:26:38Speaker 05

  I broke the fuck out of Shane's driver in the simulator yesterday.

• 3:26:42Speaker 02

  Don't ever touch Shane's driver.

• 3:26:43Speaker 05

  I don't know. I didn't mean to. I, we were doing, shout out the-

• 3:26:48Speaker 04

  Tried to eat it.

• 3:26:48Speaker 05

  Shout out to the performance golf people. They were in the office giving, giving us lessons. And I think I was trying to, I was trying to hit fucking bombs, and I was swinging as hard as I've ever swung before in my life, and I, I'm, I just hit her.

• 3:27:02Speaker 02

  But any other Fyre Fest, like, uh, any, any, any fruits that were left in any places this week?

• 3:27:11Speaker 00

  What?

• 3:27:11Speaker 02

  Anything like that?

• 3:27:12Speaker 00

  What happened?

• 3:27:12Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:27:14Speaker 02

  Uh, Dante the Don came in here earlier today and he started, uh, yelling at me about the watermelon that was used, uh, when you guys made that video tossing the watermelon around.

• 3:27:23Speaker 00

  In the backyard.

• 3:27:24Speaker 02

  You oiled up the watermelon, and he came in here yelling at me about how the, uh, watermelon smells like a rotting corpse, because it was thrown out back, uh, like with the grass clippings.

• 3:27:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:27:35Speaker 02

  And it was making people physically ill to walk past it today. Oh goodness, we made sure to throw everything away. We thought it was like the right course of action.

• 3:27:42Speaker 05

  No, sure didn't throw everything away.

• 3:27:44Speaker 02

  Oh, he's saying, he's saying there was loose watermelon? Luke sent Max, uh, that video. Max, I haven't, I haven't watched it, but-

• 3:27:51Speaker 05

  No, we threw it away.

• 3:27:52Speaker 02

  It apparently is with the grass clippings, not the trash. So it was- Oh, you're, you're saying wrong trash can? That's what Dante said. I've not inspected it, but Dante seemed, the way he presented was like, it was obviously not the trash, but-

• 3:28:06Speaker 04

  You're gonna get us all banned from the backyard.

• 3:28:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, we might get kicked out of the backyard.

• 3:28:10Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 3:28:11Speaker 02

  Definitely didn't mean to try, actually, it's all ban us.

• 3:28:15Speaker 05

  Did you?

• 3:28:15Speaker 00

  All right, numbers, what?

• 3:28:17Speaker 05

  I gotta find this video. Which, I, where did, where did I get this video?

• 3:28:21Speaker 00

  Numbers.

• 3:28:22Speaker 05

  I can't remember.

• 3:28:22Speaker 02

  Eight. I'll go two.

• 3:28:24Speaker 04

  Five.

• 3:28:24Speaker 02

  Let me go with- Sixty-six.

• 3:28:27Speaker 00

  Sixty-nine.

• 3:28:28Speaker 02

  Fifteen.

• 3:28:29Speaker 05

  I'm gonna go with one.

• 3:28:30Speaker 00

  What'd you say, Jacob?

• 3:28:32Speaker 05

  Fifteen.

• 3:28:32Speaker 00

  No, that PFT said it.

• 3:28:34Speaker 05

  Fifty-one.

• 3:28:38Speaker 05

  I got the video.

• 3:28:48Speaker 00

  Thirty-two, anyone? Thirty-two, anyone?

• 3:28:50Speaker 05

  All right, play the video. Play it, play it. No, no, no, no more numbers?

• 3:28:54Speaker 00

  We'll do one more number, but play, play it, play it.

• 3:28:56Speaker 06

  All right, so I'm over here tidying up a little bit, trying to clean up and organize before we wheel the furniture in here, and I get close to this. Now, this is where Spider dumps the grass clippings, because I guess you can use it as fertilizer eventually, so we've just been storing it all in here. And I get over here and I'm like, what is that smell? Smells like a dead body, like rotting.

• 3:29:21Speaker 06

  And I flip the cover over and look how, look how all the condensation-

• 3:29:26Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 3:29:26Speaker 06

  Just grow, there's like-

• 3:29:28Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 3:29:29Speaker 06

  Brown and slime and shit.

• 3:29:30Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:29:31Speaker 06

  And all, I flip it over, all these flies, you can still see some, all these flies come fucking buzzing out.

• 3:29:37Speaker 04

  You guys could have killed Dante's.

• 3:29:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:29:39Speaker 06

  That cracked open rotting watermelon that the PMT guys were out here tossing around the other day. They threw it in the grass clippings garbage, which, uh, honestly, it's not their fault, it's a fucking garbage can, they got all these flies. You gotta see, you gotta see-

• 3:29:54Speaker 02

  So, yeah, it's our fault. Okay, so-

• 3:29:57Speaker 06

  Cover your nose.

• 3:29:57Speaker 02

  After watching this video, it sounds like you guys threw away trash into a trash can. Correct.

• 3:30:03Speaker 06

  You gotta get trash.

• 3:30:04Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 3:30:05Speaker 00

  Mystery solved.

• 3:30:06Speaker 05

  We were like, where do we put it? Here's a garbage can.

• 3:30:08Speaker 02

  Completely fair.

• 3:30:13Speaker 02

  For a second, Zach was sweating there.

• 3:30:19Speaker 02

  Zach said he's-

• 3:30:20Speaker 05

  Zach said-

• 3:30:21Speaker 00

  What?

• 3:30:21Speaker 02

  Zach said he's still sweating.

• 3:30:24Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 3:30:26Speaker 00

  Fifty-nine.

• 3:30:27Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:30:28Speaker 00

  Ah. Fifty-nine.

• 3:30:31Speaker 02

  No one?

• 3:30:32Speaker 05

  No one.

• 3:30:32Speaker 02

  Uh, happy birthday to John Lynch, happy birthday to Brandon Cooks, happy birthday to Cade Cunningham, Will Smith, Donald Glover, and our, our dear, good friend and, uh, podcast guest, sharer, Bill Simmons. Happy birthday to Jake Marsh as well. Our darling Jake, very cool Jake.

• 3:30:54Speaker 05

  Happy birthday, Jake.

• 3:30:55Speaker 02

  Hope you get a scoregami on Saturday, Jake. And happy birthday to Chris Rodriguez, and happy birthday to TJ Houshmanzada. Love you guys.

• 3:31:04Speaker 00

  You forgot anybody?

• 3:31:06Speaker 02

  Uh, nope.

• 3:31:07Speaker 00

  All right.

• 3:31:08Speaker 02

  Did you?

• 3:31:09Speaker 05

  No.