Roger Clemens, Open Championship Preview With Shane Bacon, Spain To The WC Final, MLB All Star Week + Mt Rushmore Of Stores/Restaurants You Could Live In

MLB All Star Week is here and the HR Derby was electric as Philly fans showed out even though Schwarber lost (00:00:00-00:18:22). Spain beats the unbeatable France in the WC Semi-Final and punches a ticket to Sunday's Final (00:18:22-00:37:21). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including a brutal text to tweet mishap plus the first Top 10 QB Rankings of the year have hit the summer discourse (00:37:21-01:06:51). Mt Rushmore of stores/restaurants you could live in (01:06:51-01:22:47). Roger Clemens joins the show to talk about his career, being The Rocket, throwing gas, Piazza, his comebacks and tons more (01:22:47-02:05:43). Shane Bacon joins the show to preview the 4th and final Major of the year, the Open Championship, who can win and key storylines (02:05:43-02:55:14). We finish with guys on chicks You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take https://barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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  Welcome to Part of My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, July 15th, and we had the All-Star Game, PFT. The Home Run Derby has been saved. That was a plus. The All-Star Game feels like it took 10 million hours to get through, even though it wasn't. But yeah, the All-Star, the Home Run Derby was saved. It was awesome.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Home Run Derby was cool. And the game, right now, it's the ninth inning, and there's two outs, but we don't know how much longer it's gonna go. There might be another song. I'm thinking Major League Baseball said, "We know, we know how to connect with the youth. We're gonna have boys to men. We're gonna have three different musical breaks. We're probably gonna get like Will Ferrell as Hawk singing "This Land Is Your Land", like after the ninth inning's over. But yeah, this game was pretty boring. I gotta be honest, the All-Star Game was kinda boring. Kind of ironic that the American League wins in a year where it feels like the American League is just, you know, they've been getting their ass kicked by the National League. And then if you look at the power on each team, it feels like the National League should win this pretty easily. But it's the All-Star Game, and nobody really cares. So what do you think can happen?

• 4:01Speaker 00

  Can I say something without triggering a certain member of the show? Do you think I can?

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Go for it.

• 4:12Speaker 00

  Okay, all right, you know what? I'll start positive. I thought, so the Home Run Derby was awesome, and in big part-

• 4:17Speaker 02

  I want you to start negative.

• 4:19Speaker 00

  No, I'm gonna start positive. The Home Run Derby was awesome, in large part because Philly fans showed out booing, like, as Jordan Walker took pitches. It was awesome. There was just like, you could just feel the energy in the building. I think the rule change, back to being able to watch the home runs, made it very cool. Jordan Walker's comeback was like, I wasn't rooting for him. I was rooting for Schwaber. I bet on Schwaber. I don't like the Cardinals, all these things. But it's still, you have to tip your cap and be like, he just, he put his balls on the table at the end of the Home Run Derby and won that Home Run Derby in a hostile environment. That that's positive, right? Right? Right, Max? That's positive.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  I'm ready. I'm ready for your follow up.

• 5:02Speaker 00

  Okay, you agree, PFT. The homer derby was awesome.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  It's better. It's much better than it was. I think it can still be a little bit better. I don't like the swings. Give us outs. I don't like the whole swings thing.

• 5:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  It should be outs or nothing. I do like that for the most part, you get to see the ball after it's hit. You get to watch it land. For the most part, there were a lot of times when they didn't have like they'd show the ball in the air and then they go back and like show the face of the pitcher sometimes. I didn't really understand that.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  I don't know if you guys watched American Gladiators when you were kids, did you?

• 5:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Like the OG American Gladiator.

• 5:40Speaker 00

  I want to get a tennis ball gun in our office.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that that was awesome. What was that, the gauntlet?

• 5:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  The gauntlet was incredible. But when they brought back American Gladiators and they tried to revamp it like, what, seven, eight years ago? They kind of fucked it up in the same way that they fucked up the homerun derby. And by that, I mean that the homerun derby and American Gladiators are both objectively ridiculous things to watch. They're awesome. But they're kind of ridiculous things to watch. But the reason why I loved the homerun derby when I was growing up and the reason why I love Gladiators is because they had like still camera shots and they treated it like it was a real sport. Like stationary cameras, all this shit. You didn't need to have the cameras moving around or anything like that. And then when they brought it back and just how they've kind of tried to innovate the homerun derby. You've got like ultra tight zooms. You've got dynamic camera angles and steady cams that are like,

• 6:31Speaker 02

  you know, it's disorienting. I think they think that you need to spice it up since it's not an actual event. But that's what I love about the homerun. Treat it like it's an actual sport. Give me just the stationary cameras. Let me watch the ball land in the outfield. Take our times between swings. And I don't know, I also, I got a bad vibe from Buster Olney's tweet that he had today. He said, over the last five years, the homerun derby average with the clock was 275 homers. Last night, over about the same amount of time, 131 homers. So it's like Buster's like, he, it seems like. He's trying to like poo poo the new format, but it feel like we got to watch. I feel like more home runs than we did in the old format when we didn't get to see the ball ever land.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  I I like, I'm not going to complain about the homer derby because I enjoyed it and also I have other complaints later. Uh, I, I thought it was awesome and I thought the way the format set up where Jordan Walker had one out left and he's like, you have to hit all these, every single one of these has to go out. It made for a thrilling, fun experience and you know, I just, I liked it. I, I thought it was good. I was again rooting for Schwaber, it didn't work out, but I, I liked the homer derby. I'm not going to complain. I feel like the, everything went forward and it was a progress. Um, nothing is perfect in life and I, I enjoyed the event. I enjoyed how it was set up, so I'm not going to complain on that.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  We can do a little bit better. That's all I'm saying. I, I, I liked watching it, but we, come on, we can do, but we can make it perfect. The homer derby should be perfect.

• 8:00Speaker 00

  Uh, people complain about anything, so that, that's definitely not true. It will definitely never be perfect and you know that, like that, that just won't happen.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  We're so close to my, my idea of perfect is when I'm, when I'm getting that and we're so close to it and it was, it was good. I'm not complaining. It can be a little bit better.

• 8:17Speaker 00

  Max, uh, how would you rate how the Phillies performed this weekend? Cause that would be the negative. I'm not trying to trigger you. Again, I was rooting for Schwaber, but that's that, he, he lost a homer derby. Um, Christopher Sanchez was the losing pitcher in the all-star game. He gave up three runs in the, in the first inning. Bryce Harper came up, which I loved the mic'd up when he was just like, that was crazy when he struck out. Um, how would you, how would you rate that? Cause it felt like there was like a big moment after.

• 8:45Speaker 03

  National league, there were two hits.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  I know, I'm just, we had Pete Crowder, Armstrong had a hit. Uh, I'm just saying like there was big, it felt like big moment after big moment for, for Phillies. And it just didn't happen. Like Schwaber has his phone out ready for Bryce Harper. Just nothing happens.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  The team had two hits.

• 9:03Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  I think Christopher Sanchez could have pitched better. I agree. He's been, he's been in a little bit of a slump recently, but if you're going to blame the Phillies, the team had, I, I apologize. The team had three hits in nine innings. So nobody had a multi-hit game. Nobody had an extra base hit. There were three singles by the NL. So what? Yes, the NL as a whole could have played better. CJ Abrams, oh for two, two strikeouts.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Why, why'd you bring that up?

• 9:35Speaker 03

  Why did he bring up the Phillies?

• 9:38Speaker 00

  I don't know. Cause the game's being played in Philadelphia.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  I was just talking ball. I mean, I didn't bring up the Phillies just for fun.

• 9:49Speaker 00

  It was, it was because the games in Philadelphia, like the next year got, hopefully we have a baseball season and the, and, and the All-Star game is going to be at Wrigley. If PCA loses the, the homerun derby and Justin Steele pitches the, the first inning, gives up three runs, you don't think you'd say something?

• 10:10Speaker 03

  Kyle Schwarber didn't lose the homerun, like everyone, there's five people that lost the homerun derby. Kyle Schwarber didn't, he had 11 homeruns in 14 and 15.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Two of them were from Philly.

• 10:19Speaker 00

  I feel like we were just edged. We were edged for a big Philly moment and it never happened.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  I was at least expecting Mike Trout to go yard because this was kind of his World Series.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  No one, no one looked at Kyle's performance in the homerun derby and been like, oh my God, what a choke job from Jordan, from Kyle Schwarber.

• 10:40Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  You're the only one.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  We didn't say, I didn't say that. I was waiting for a, there was, there was, okay. Let me phrase it differently. I don't want, I don't want this to be a fight. There felt like there were multiple moments in the last two days that were like perfect for the, the Philly crowd and Philadelphia to explode and we never got it.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, Jordan Walker went absolutely insane at the end of his round. Like we, we said it. Tape your cap to Jordan Walker. Some guys like Schwarber had a great performance in the homerun derby. Jordan Walker was just better.

• 11:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  It wasn't, it wasn't, yeah.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  I got a question. PFT Compteur from Barstool Sports Department, take podcast up. Max, there was some talk about maybe the scorekeeping not being above board in the homerun derby. Do you have a comment about that? About the magenta ball?

• 11:32Speaker 00

  The magenta ball.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Oh, well, I, I was ready to go for a comment on that. But Kyle Schwarber also hit white baseballs at the, at the end of his round as well. So I had, I had to put my sword down, but I was ready to go to.

• 11:46Speaker 00

  Earlier this morning, you were talking about the magenta balls.

• 11:50Speaker 03

  Well, then I saw that.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  I actually right now, I had my sword in my hand. And I was waiting for Max to get mad about the scorekeeping, um, knowing that Kyle Schwaber also hit white baseballs at the end. So now I have to lay my sword down to Max.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  So you were ready, you were ready to fight me on.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  That's credit to me. That's credit to me for doing a little research before going into a fight.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  Max, I apologize. I didn't, I did not mean to attack you. I literally was just saying it felt like there was a big moment. No, there was a, it was, I mean, who cares overall? At the end of the day, it doesn't fucking care. Well, I mean, you did tweet like, I want this more than I want anything in the world, I think during the Schwaber homerun derby, which.

• 12:30Speaker 03

  Well, I did want, I, yeah, I did want Schorber to win. And I actually, I've thought more about that and I think I still stand by it.

• 12:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Cause it felt like there was that big moment that didn't happen.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  I want, but I, Kyle Schwaber, I'm not disappointed in Kyle Schwaber's performance in the homerun derby. I was disappointed that Jordan Walker went absolutely nuclear to end his round. But like, it wasn't like, it wasn't like Kyle Schwaber was up with a chance to win the homerun derby and he just, and he just absolutely baked a bunt and, and had like three homers and 15 swings. He had 11 homers and 15 swings. Like.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  No, he was awesome. He's the best.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  Good job. Jordan Walker just did better. Like it was, Kyle Schwaber didn't embarrass.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  What?

• 13:15Speaker 00

  Shout out Jordan Walker. He, he makes like $800,000 a year. He won a million dollars for winning the homerun derby. That's gotta be awesome. That's, that's a pretty cool moment.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  And his parents were in the crowd. His parents, parents were electric. They, they said that there was a bunch of Philly fans around him that were just booing them and they, and they were like, this is awesome. It, it feels good to be like, yeah.

• 13:36Speaker 00

  Philly fans were, Philly fans were MVPs. Yeah.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  They made.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  You think Ken Griffey Jr. Could go out there and still hit like 30 home runs in a season? Cause whenever I see him, I'm, I'm like, the kid's still got it.

• 13:49Speaker 03

  I think that about Barry Bonds.

• 13:50Speaker 00

  I don't think that.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  He looks, you know what I'm saying? Obviously he can't hit 30, like we say Barry Sanders can't come back. I don't know. I, I still feel like that swings there.

• 14:03Speaker 03

  I feel that way about Barry Bonds.

• 14:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, Barry Bonds.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  Talks, he talks like he's still the best ever.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  And it was cool to see Barry Bonds again. We never see Barry Bonds. So it was cool to see him. Um, yeah, I don't, I don't know if I think that about Ken Griffey, cause he just, he, he looks like he's, he enjoys his life in a, in a different way now.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  He's got like a little bit of a round face thing going on, but you guys know what I'm saying with, with Ken Griffey, Jr. He's like, he's one of those athletes that you see him and you always think like, yeah, the kid that swing's still there.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think of that with Barry Bonds for sure. Barry Bonds, I like, he could just, he, he could show up and just be awesome and, and take like a million walks. Cause people would fear him. Um, all right, Mike, one complaint. I, I get it. I get what they were doing with the Sandlot thing. I thought it was like weird how long.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  And it was also just, it felt, the whole point of the Sandlot is you play fireworks under the, because there's no lights. They had lights.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it was the 4th of July.

• 15:06Speaker 00

  Right. This is the show on 15th.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  That's like, that's a pretty, it's a pretty, pretty important part of the storyline of Sandlot is they, they are puking on themselves at the Tilt-A-Whirl. It's the 4th of July. Yeah. I, I'll, I'll take whatever excuse to listen to that version, that song by Ray Charles.

• 15:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna worry about that. It's an amazing song. It did feel like we overdid it a little bit with the songs tonight.

• 15:32Speaker 00

  Hand up, hand up. My first reaction when they started coming out, um, cause I was like, why you know there's Sandlot because they're coming out on, on bikes. And I just thought like some of the, when they zoomed in on a couple of like, like Mizerowski, I think was trying to show like a 12 year old how to throw 105 miles an hour. It's like, there's no way this is a real conversation that's happening right now. That one kid almost hit trout in the belly. For a brief second, I was like, oh, fuck, Ray Charles is still alive. And then I was like, ah, you're a moron. This is, this is an old video. Tank, you did the same thing?

• 16:06Speaker 04

  I didn't realize until the end. Like I was like, I was like, is it, is this a filter? And I was like, oh yeah, no, he's, he's, he's dead. He's so dead.

• 16:14Speaker 00

  So, so stupid because I love Ray Charles. And I was like, goddamn, was that dumb of me to think that Ray Charles was in the building tonight being like, he's just belting it out at however old he would have been. So yeah, really stupid. Overall, good night, though. Good, good two days. Good job, Philly. And then there was signing of the, uh, the signing of the lineup card was kind of cool. I thought that was like, it's a little cheesy, but I thought that was kind of cool. It was something different.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  I also like the hats. I thought the hats were pretty good, too.

• 16:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. And, and going classic uniforms. Remember, remember we had that stretch where we like, had like different uniforms? That fucking sucked. This is what the All-Star game should be. You should wear your uniform, gray and, and white.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  I'm looking at some videos of Ken Griffey Jr. From last night. He, he does not look fat.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  I mean, he's fatter than what he looked in the.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  Obviously put on a little bit of weight, but for you to be like, oh, Ken Griffey Jr. Looks. That's, that's absurd to say that Ken Griffey, he looks good.

• 17:16Speaker 00

  I, he, there are certain athletes that I absolutely am like, yeah, they could still play. Ken Griffey Jr. Being 56 years old, I do not think he could hit 30 home runs. He's not in that list of me, for me, personally.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Obviously he's not going to hit 30 home runs.

• 17:32Speaker 00

  But that was what you said. So that's why I, yeah, I just never, like, there are certain guys, though, that I look at, I'm like, yeah, that guy could still do everything. I've never thought about that with Ken Griffey Jr. Personally.

• 17:43Speaker 02

  Maybe it's just that I want to watch him swing. How about that?

• 17:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  Enjoy swinging and I would love to see him try.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  Definitely. Absolutely. That's, that's a hundred percent correct. And he's, I mean, yeah, he's got the sweetest swing ever. But yeah, Barry, I think it's because Barry Bonds also like weirdly got like smaller than he was at, at the end. So I'm like, oh yeah, Barry Bonds. And I think we just never see Barry Bonds. So I'm like, oh yeah, he could probably do it because we never see him. And I just assume he could still do it.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  You know what? I think that might be a new white whale for part of my take.

• 18:18Speaker 00

  Barry Bonds?

• 18:19Speaker 02

  I would love to have Barry Bonds on the podcast. He's done, he, he so rarely does any sort of media. Everyone's already got their mind made up about the guy. I would love to get Barry Bonds in a room, sit down for like an hour.

• 18:30Speaker 00

  I'd agree. That would be, I'd, I'd go two hours.

• 18:35Speaker 00

  How much would he talk about everything is the question?

• 18:39Speaker 02

  See, I don't know. I, to be honest with you, I don't know what Barry Bonds, what his personality is right now. Yeah, I know he hates the media at times, but I feel like we need to have the Barry Bonds, like the definitive, here's my story from Barry Bonds.

• 18:53Speaker 00

  Also, the Barry Bonds, the reason why I say that about Barry Bonds, remember there was that story was, how many years ago was he the hitting coach for the Marlins and they would do like homer derbies and he would beat everyone? And it was just like, oh yeah, of course he did. He's just still kicking the shit out of everyone, even though he's been out of the league for a long time. He's that type of dude. Um, all right. Do you want to talk some World Cup?

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Let's talk some footy.

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  All right, back to part of my take.

• 20:09Speaker 00

  The unbeatable team has been beaten. Spain absolutely throttled France and now it feels like it's their tournament to win. What do you think?

• 20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, France, it turns out they didn't play anybody until they played Spain. So then Iraq, Senegal. I think they played Norway's backups in the group stage. They played Sweden. They played the biggest bus in the world in Paraguay and Morocco was, they probably also played probably the Titans, the Raiders, the Jets twice, the Dolphins twice. It was, it was a ridiculous schedule that, that France had, and they were beating the fuck out of bad teams. But then they ran into a real team today and uh, yeah, Spain's attack just, they were too fast up front for them.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. And it was, uh, I think you're mall.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  No, no, no respect for Cape Verde. I got it.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  You put slander on Kate Verden.

• 21:01Speaker 05

  Spain. Oh, I thought you were saying, I think you said Spain.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Did I? I thought I said, because France had an easy schedule.

• 21:09Speaker 05

  I think he said France. Yeah. The, uh.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  I think France played against Jarrett Stidham.

• 21:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. You move your ball, you move and his tail. You mall, uh, by the way, I thi- I think I saw the stat. He's played Mbappe, uh, 13 times, which obviously it's a team sport, but he's won 11 out of 13. So he's, he's the Mbappe stopper. There's nothing you can do about it. Yeah. That's what Spain just does. They fuck France up.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Spain looked faster up front. Mbappe is really fucking good though. He's, he's, he's legit. Um, I hope that we get two more World Cups out of him. I feel like Messi has kind of ruined that for everybody now where now we have to almost expect these guys play until they're 40. Because Messi's a freak and he's, he's still at the peak of his powers. I got one thing to complain about with these games.

• 21:54Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Why are we playing them at 2:00 PM on a weekday?

• 21:59Speaker 05

  I actually like it, but are you saying, because, yeah, I mean, I, I think it's for the rest of the world for, you know, the, the countries that actually care about soccer. They want to watch it a, a regular time. So I would assume that's why.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  We're trying to get the European audience for sure, but it's our World Cup. We're hosting it. We should be playing these, kickoff should be at 6:00 PM at the earliest.

• 22:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think they're just doing it for the, I, again, I think it's probably for the rest of the world. I, I have no problem with it just because we don't have a real job. So it's like free, free sports. Uh, I see what you're saying. It, it is a little weird that it's like the biggest game is being played at 2 o'clock our time. Uh, but yeah, it's, it was, I think they're just trying to, you know, get everyone in Europe to, to be pumped about it because they do care about soccer more than us.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  They, they do. That's a fact. I mean, but what's the point of hosting the World Cup if you have to be on, on the rest of the world's time? I was, it was just weird when I saw it. It was like 2:00 PM. All right. We can make that work for sure, but there's a lot of people that couldn't watch the game.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  I did it. I just looked it up. It is seven, seven o'clock in London, eight o'clock in Paris. So they're just getting the prime time.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  They're getting prime time.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  That, that sucks. So we're just giving them prime time.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, it's our World Cup. Right. Like they're, when they host the World Cup, they can, they can kick off at whatever time they want.

• 23:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, they probably will.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Spain would probably be at like midnight.

• 23:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, they would. Yeah, they'd probably do the, we'd probably just get it at two o'clock, just like we're getting it right now.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. So we're, that's the trade off. But yeah, I, no, it is a weird time. It's weird. Uh, it just, it doesn't have the same juice as a nighttime game. I would agree with you on that one, where it's like, you just, two o'clock in the afternoon is like, all right, I guess we're just playing a game now.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. So if we're rooting for matchups, Spain looks awesome. They, they look really, really good today. Um, I feel like Argentina, Spain, that's what, if FIFA is drawing this up in the lab, it's got to be Argentina, Messi, one last ride, right?

• 24:00Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And Zach is in hell. He's, he's, he doesn't want this to happen. He's gonna be rooting so hard against Messi, uh, today as you're listening to this. He's, he just wants, he wants Messi out of this tournament so, so badly.

• 24:14Speaker 04

  I've got nothing but respect for Messi. I just think that Messi just gets a lot of favor sometimes. That's all. I, I respect Messi as a player. He's unreal. But I don't know, Argentina could be another example, one of those teams, kind of like France, who really didn't have to play too many, I mean, what was it? Cape Verde and Egypt, where two of the three, they might be in a situation too, where just like, they didn't really play that level of difficulty, and then they could run into a team like Spain or Hurricane in England and just get maybe worked.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, even when they played some of those lesser teams, they didn't look great against them either. Like Cape Verde could have very easily taken that to PKs.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. Like, I think bailouts are kind of a part of the Argentina story, this World Cup. Respectfully.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. We didn't send them like six trillion dollars. Yeah.

• 24:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. Did, did you see our friend Taylor Trowman tweeted out that, uh, speaking of like cupcakes, Spain has played, I think, six out of seven of their games indoors. And that's been a, you know, the, we've had Argentina's coming off a game playing in Kansas City, England's coming off an extra time game in Miami. Something to think about. Are they getting, are they getting a little bit of a favorable draw by just playing in air conditioning the whole time? Because I would imagine air conditioning for Europeans hits like crack, like the best crack of a Hunter Biden crack.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's like when we go over to Spain and we see a nude beach. Like that's that that feeling that we get over there is their feeling when they're walking into one of our buildings over here.

• 25:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, there's just like going, holy fuck, this is incredible.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 05

  A Spanish dude walking into 7-Eleven has to be life changing. In the middle of the summer. It's gotta be, it's gotta be like they saw God for the first time.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  They probably look at the big gulp and they're like, oh my God, this is so big. And then their friend comes up and they're like, dude, that's the small.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  And then they just melt down and it's just like, yeah, it's gotta be incredible.

• 26:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, just think about like, yeah, I'm just thinking now like an English guy walking into one of our supermarkets. And they probably just go to they just directly go to their knees and start weeping and be like, I didn't know that we could live like this. I didn't know that I could walk. I know I could get the shivers when I walked down the frozen food aisle in the middle of July.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, the sides. Oh, my God, when they walk to like the the deli and they see the pre made sides that you can just walk home with.

• 26:38Speaker 05

  Oh, oh.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  That's gotta freak them out.

• 26:40Speaker 05

  What about movie theater? Holy fuck. They might never leave a movie theater if we have, we might have like just a bunch of English dudes. We're just peeling them off the movie theater ground in like late August when it's like, hey dude, it's time to go home. You've been here too long.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So I was in, I was in Providence last night and I was walking through the downtown area. And they had still the giant like FIFA fan zone set up. And it was all for the Portuguese fans. So it was like specifically geared towards Portugal. Because that's where I guess their team was was based out of. And there was nobody there. It was a ghost town. It was the saddest thing I've ever seen. Like all the rides and all the different like inflatable stuff was still very much set up. It said like, welcome Portugal to Rhode Island. And there was nobody there because they all went home.

• 27:27Speaker 05

  Hmm, Zach, did you get anything for Zach?

• 27:32Speaker 02

  No, because they didn't have, there was nobody manning him because it was basically shut down.

• 27:36Speaker 05

  Yeah. He was like crushing for country. Yeah, this, it's brutal, Zach. He's been, Ronaldo's been gone for so long. I didn't even remember him in the World Cup. I think we all can agree. Not very memorable. The entire performance.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  You know what I remember the most about Ronaldo in this World Cup is uh is the German guy that came over here and has avatars Cristiano Ronaldo and then blocked me on Twitter.

• 28:01Speaker 05

  He's back though. He's back. Freddie's back. He came, he came.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, he blocked me.

• 28:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, he did. Were you saying mean things to him?

• 28:09Speaker 02

  I it might have been the project paperclip reference that I made. I don't know. It was probably just all the shit that we talked about Ronaldo.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  No, I'm not blocked. I've been pro Freddie from the beginning. No, no, he popped back up. He said that everyone was being very negative towards him, which like, come on, man. That's the internet. You can't tweet it. You can't say anything on the internet without half the people being like, you're the worst person ever. Hope you get hit by a bus. That's just how it works.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  I mean, just objectively speaking, he had the best vacation of all time.

• 28:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  You can't draw this like it beyond his wildest dreams. He got to live like a movie star for for three weeks besides his favorite player getting embarrassed and sent home, but like, besides that, he had the best vacation any of us could ever hope for.

• 28:54Speaker 05

  I would, I was thinking about that. Is this, is this the like, if we did a Mount Rushmore, we should do this Mount Rushmore Sunday scaries? The Europeans who have been here, like, like if you're, you were a Norwegian guy who came for like a month and a half and then you have to go back home after a month and a half of just partying and enjoying the US and having our air conditioning. How brutal is that? We're like, fuck, this is real life again.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  I think at some point, especially the Scandinavian countries, you got to tap out from the sun, though.

• 29:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Your body, like, I need to be indoors. Get me to a fjord.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I just was thinking about that, like these, these, some of these guys have to have been here for like weeks and weeks and weeks. And I know that in Europe, they just don't work in the summer. That's why Hank loves it over there so much, but uh it's, it's, it's like gotta be the scariest hours ever to be on your flight back home after not being home for like six weeks and be like, oh, fuck, I gotta work again. I just thought I was, my life was eating barbecue and watching soccer in like the south of America.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 30:01Speaker 05

  So, uh, I had one last thing for you guys. Um, do you guys think about what your legacy is going to be 100 years from now?

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Not because I'm gonna be dead.

• 30:12Speaker 05

  That was weird. So yeah, people missed it. There was a, there was a reporter at the, at the open who was just asking everyone this. They asked Rory and Scotty, like, what is you, what do you think about your legacy in a hundred years? It's actually a trap question because if you say that you care, you're the biggest egomaniac ever. Like, we're all gonna die. Scotty answered it correctly. He's like, no offense, man, but I'll be dead and that it doesn't matter after that. And that's a fact.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  I like that. Like, it was like, no offense, but I'm going to be dead.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  Like, that's, that's actually the perfect answer to the question.

• 30:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. He let him down nicely. He was like, hey, just so you know, I want you to start mourning now. But me, Scotty Scheffler, I will one day die. So just let's get that out there. Let's just, let's just set the table.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, especially to ask like a golfer that because it's such a, such a mental sport. They, they spend zero time thinking about like during a tournament week, they're thinking about the, the layout of the course. They're thinking about what the weather's going to be like. At no point this week is Scotty Scheffler like, I wonder what they're gonna say a hundred years about me. You know, like a hundred years, a hundred years ago, who is the most famous person? Who, who has the, the strongest legacy from 1926?

• 31:32Speaker 05

  Babe Ruth.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  You think he's number one?

• 31:34Speaker 05

  I feel, I'm pretty confident in Babe Ruth.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  All right. Well, what, what is his legacy? He ate hot dogs, he drank whiskey and he fucked.

• 31:42Speaker 05

  And he might be Dominican. And he might be Dominican. And, and people are still hiding that.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  And that's the best you can hope for. That memory, that, that eulogy that we just gave Babe Ruth, that's the best that you can hope for.

• 31:54Speaker 05

  It was a beautiful eulogy. Yeah. Candy bar, good candy bar. That's really what, actually, that's how you answer it. You say, hopefully in a hundred years, there's a candy bar named after me. That'd be sick.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. You'd much rather would have a candy bar named after you than an airport.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  Yes, yes. What, Max?

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Would you like to know the most notable athletes in 1926? I just looked it up.

• 32:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's, I'm gonna guess. It's, it's like boxer, boxer, Babe Ruth.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  Is one of them.

• 32:23Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  Luke, there's one other name that's, that's notable. Babe Ruth, Bobby Jones. Okay. Those are, those are the two names that I've heard of.

• 32:31Speaker 05

  Okay. Who the other names?

• 32:33Speaker 03

  Gene Tunney, boxing.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Gertrude Ederly, swimming. Mule Subtles, baseball. Suzanne Langlin, tennis. And Patty Driscoll.

• 32:50Speaker 05

  Mule Subtles.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  I gotta learn more about this Mule Subtles guy.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Gertrude's a hot name. Was Gertrude a chick?

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Gertrude Ederly, yup, swimmer. Probably a tight pod.

• 33:02Speaker 05

  Mule Subtles?

• 33:04Speaker 03

  Mule, Mule Subtles.

• 33:07Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, Mule Subtles rocks. Okay, uh, Mule Subtles. George Mule Subtles. He was, uh.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  He was a dominant force in the Negro League and hit an estimated 425 with 21 triples. For the St. Louis Star.

• 33:27Speaker 05

  425 is pretty damn. Oh shit, he was 5'11", weighed 195 pounds, used a 50 ounce bat?

• 33:35Speaker 03

  Beast.

• 33:37Speaker 05

  That's awesome. Dude. What are guys using today? Like, like, what, max 37, 37?

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, 37 is heavy.

• 33:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, like 36, 34, 50 ounce bat? That's a fucking tree trunk. He was swinging a tree trunk. He, alright, this is about Mule settles. He hit, he, uh, he saw us, what is it? Alright, so he flew over 60 foot high centerfield fence and landed in the ocean. He had one in Tropicana Park in Tampa. He hit this damn ball. So far, it looked like we were playing it a lot. It didn't like, look like no ballpark. It was because of subtle strength that he got his nickname and late in games when a big hit was needed, his teammates would encourage him with cries of, "Kick, Mule, kick."

• 34:31Speaker 03

  The heaviest, the heaviest bat used in the MLB today is Bryce Harper at 35 ounces.

• 34:37Speaker 05

  Oh shit, I was off by a couple. Damn. 15 more ounces?

• 34:44Speaker 05

  Oh my God. That's incredible. Kick Mule, kick. Everyone just screaming that?

• 34:51Speaker 02

  They actually asked Mule about his legacy before he died.

• 34:56Speaker 05

  And what'd he say?

• 34:57Speaker 02

  To go full circle. He said, I don't know, don't think about me too much. Maybe just have a nice thought about me.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  All right. Well, hey.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  So there you go.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  What, what? Yeah. Mule should have just been like, hey, someday I hope there's this thing called podcasts and these fucking idiots happen to just stumble upon my name and when I get one last kick, Mule will kick.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. His, his direct quote about his legacy is when I die, have a little thought for my memory, but don't mourn me too much. You got it, Mule.

• 35:30Speaker 05

  I love it. I did it. We did. Check. Thought done. But I actually, you don't have it, Mule. I'm going to be thinking about Mule settles tonight when I go to bed. I'm going to read some more about Mule settles. So he's, he unfortunately is now, he's getting more than a thought from me. I'm just going to be honest.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  Kick.

• 35:48Speaker 05

  Kick.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  He was a coal miner in Louisiana.

• 35:55Speaker 05

  Dude, these guys were just, think about these guys back in the day. I know we're going long, we gotta kick it back to ourselves for our great interviews in Mount Rushmore. These guys were like, what? 50 times, 100 times more men than us? Like it's, it's not even to say, we're not even the same species. They were so much more manly that they would just be a coal miner for the winter and then they'd pick up a 50 ounce bat and everyone would yell, kick, Mule, kick. And they would be playing like the third game in, in a day. He'd be playing his 27th inning and then he hit a ball so far that it scraped the moon.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Uh huh. And what do we do? Well, we, we have to work with Mincy. So let's not act like we're walking the park.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  Oh my God. What a legend. I need to learn more about Mule Subtles. Okay. Um. Thank you, Max. Good call there. Good producing. Good showmanship to add that in. Uh, all right. Let's kick it to ourself. We got hot seat, cool throne. We've got Mount Rushmore and then we got both our interviews and guys on checks. Okay. Hot seat, cool throne back in studio brought to you by tick pick the good guys at ticketing. Tick pick is the no nonsense ticket app that always has been and always will be fan first. Let's talk about ticket fees for a second. Every other ticket site charges them service fees, processing fees, whatever the label.

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• 38:15Speaker 04

  My hot seat are people hate on, on athletes partying after, after they lose.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  I, I can get with this.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  Okay. Erling Haaland obviously was like, you know, one of the top stories of the world cup. I feel like everyone that was, has social media was just getting fed Haaland, Haaland, Haaland stuff. And he was like, pretty universally loved. I'm, I'm, I became a huge fan. Like I'm definitely one of those people and.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  Look at you letting soccer sink its teeth in.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm, I'm into it. Like I'm, I'm into it. I like the stars. He likes to party.

• 38:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  But then he, him and his teammates went to live, I guess. It came out like, oh, here's Erling Haaland walked into live after Norway lost. And there was people being like, oh, he doesn't even care. The fans care more than the players.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  What is he supposed to do? Like he, he, they lost. They were going back probably the next day.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  They had just made the World Cup for their country for the first time in like 30 years. It was a big accomplishment. It's the last time you're going to be with this group anyway for like probably, you know, everyone's going back to their separate teams or separate ways. Like,

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  Why would you not go out in Miami?

• 39:16Speaker 02

  I, maybe I haven't seen the same reaction that you have, but I feel like Norway is still very, very happy with Holland.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  Norway is, but I think it was more people being like, oh, this is, this is the, what's wrong with players today. Like they're, they don't care. Fans care more than the players. Look at this.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  Well, maybe back in, in the guys who were complaining today, they didn't get invited to like a semi nude nightclub after they lost the World Cup. But I guarantee you they would have taken that opportunity.

• 39:37Speaker 00

  It's fully nude.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  11?

• 39:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  I've never been to 11.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  Uh, thi- this all falls apart when you see the, the parade that they threw for the players in Norway.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  Which is, I, I see it as loser energy just because it's like, you're basically saying this is the best it will ever get, but that's fine. It might be the best that Norway will ever get. But yeah, they, they did a parade. They did a whole rowing parade where everyone was out and celebrating. That's fine. Celebrate it, but you can't then say, oh, he's not allowed to party.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Is the row celebration the, the best thing to come out of this World Cup? I love watching it. Did you say? Where they bang that drum and then everybody's at it all at once. I did see an MLS team trying to like copy it.

• 40:15Speaker 00

  Oh, this is where we can't do this.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't be that guy that tries to, you, you saw a cool celebration. That doesn't mean that the Columbus Crew or whatever should adopt the Norway row. Because the Norway row, when they had the entire, like, when they took over Times Square.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  And you had like a hundred thousand Norwegians rowing in unison. That was fucking cool.

• 40:36Speaker 00

  The, uh, did you see the one Norwegian fan that refused to row? I love that guy.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  He's like, I don't row?

• 40:42Speaker 00

  No, he, he said it was historically inaccurate.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Oh, well, yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  He said they wrote, they rode in the fjords, but if they were traveling across the Atlantic, which Norway did to go to play in the World Cup in America, they would have sailed.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 40:52Speaker 00

  And he had, and it was funny. He did like an interview, super serious. And he had two, uh, oars behind him.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  And he's like, I just refused to do it.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  That guy.

• 41:01Speaker 00

  He's like, it's not what our history is. We were, we sailed.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Between that and, uh, ignoring the new Christopher Nolan movie, that guy has had a hell of a week.

• 41:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  And. I loved, I love the Viking row. I, I want to see more of it. I'm not upset at Holland. He was the best player on his team by far. Like they wouldn't have gotten that far without him. And if you have any doubts as to how cool of a guy Holland is, he just went back to Norway with like three different taxidermy to animals that are drinking beer. That was his, that was his big purchase that he made in the United States. Some people go to like Saks Fifth Avenue. Some people go pick up some nice bags. No. Erling Holland got like three raccoons stuffed and then they're holding these liquor bottles. So they look like they're getting hammered. And that's his prized possession. That's his, his, uh, one memory that he's going to keep from this World Cup.

• 41:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Is those animals that will live on his shelf until he gets married. I'm sure his wife would be like, you have to do something about these stupid fucking raccoons.

• 41:52Speaker 00

  Put them in the garage.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  They're not funny early.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  People don't love England, but them having Oasis is tough to beat. Like them just being able to sing Oasis.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  Like those videos are, are probably one of my favorite parts.

• 42:05Speaker 00

  I was, uh, we had a hypothetical on, uh, Wake of Barstool today. Cause T Bob was like, we can't let England win the World Cup in America on the 250th anniversary. I don't care. That doesn't bother me.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  I would prefer it not to be England.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. USA dude.

• 42:22Speaker 00

  I just, I'm not, I'm not, I don't.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Get them.

• 42:25Speaker 00

  We suck at soccer. I don't care.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  No, that's, the World Cup's bigger than sports.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Listen, I got, I got two teams that I root for on, uh, the 250th anniversary of America. It's the US and whoever's playing England.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  Okay. But hold on. I, I, I agree with you. I'd prefer if you told, said, who would you like to win? It would not be England. They would be the fourth team. But will it, will it like ruin your Sunday?

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Uh, no, probably not.

• 42:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's where the I don't care.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Being honest, it's probably not going to ruin my son. It's because they've got the stink of being a loser for so long. Like if they were a dominant team, if, if it was like a team that had actually won world cups recently.

• 42:57Speaker 00

  Right.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  Then I'd be like, no, not, not under two, uh, what, what do you call it? Cesquiscentine semi?

• 43:03Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Whatever the fuck it is, 250.

• 43:05Speaker 00

  Also they were cowards. They didn't play us in the World Cup.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. They ducked us because they knew we'd tie the fuck out of them. Just like we did in Qatar.

• 43:12Speaker 00

  Facts.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  Uh, and then my cool throne is, I also had just technology and Mount Rushmore, but I'm assuming we'll get to that before the Mount Rushmore. Uh, my cool throne is the guy from the Bison video.

• 43:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  We weren't sure when we recorded, like I, I had seen something saying like he's in serious, critical condition. Just a couple of broken bones, said he was joking with the, uh, the, like the photographer that took the video, like as he's waiting for the ambulance, old guy.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  Absolute stud.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Surgery, but like, he's good.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  Absolute stud. That's great.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  I was, I like, as funny, cause I didn't want to say how funny the video was. I felt bad. Cause it was like, he's in serious conditions. Like, all right, if this guy dies, like I don't want to be joking. It's the funniest video I've seen in a long time. Like he, he was a cartoon character.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, it's so funny. He, he went so high in the air. I was afraid when we showed the video that he might die.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I, I was like, I brought it up cause it was like, it was a great video, but I was like, I don't want to say how funny I thought it was because I didn't know if he was like dead.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  Ty, Ty just pointed out, he, he did the ridiculousness, uh, logo. Like upside down in the air.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm trying to think of what, what NFL players, when they get hit, flail like that, like who have the most cartoonishly hilarious violent hits? When they take a hit, you, cause for me, there's one guy, RG3. When he got hit, he got hit.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  It was like the, uh, maybe you could say maybe Jaden when he was at LSU, the Looney Tunes.

• 44:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, that Looney Tunes one.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  But not anymore.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Good, good hot seat, cool throne, Hank.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 44:45Speaker 00

  Good job, Hank. Bison guy, we can laugh. He laughed.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  What a stud. He's got a story forever. Like, that's awesome. He's just like, hey, check this out. I got fucking, I'm the guy who got.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Well, and he was, he was there. He was, he took his grandson there, like his little, little grandson. So it's like his grandson will now probably have like, get, have that picture framed in his. Was being like, yeah, it's my grandpa.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  His grandson has to kill a bison. He's got it for the family. He's got it.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  We've, we've had a feud against the bison. Going back.

• 45:13Speaker 00

  He's gotta go to South Dakota State.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yep.

• 45:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Uh, my hot seat is the Philadelphia 76ers.

• 45:20Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Hank, have you read the reports?

• 45:23Speaker 04

  I have, I have.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  So I know, I know.

• 45:25Speaker 00

  What's going on here?

• 45:26Speaker 02

  I know Hank is not gonna like this. Um, because I know that you're a fan of Jalen Brown, no matter what.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  I am, I am.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Sad to see him go.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  You love him.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  Apparently, he hasn't spoken with Joel Embiid since he got traded to the Sixers.

• 45:38Speaker 00

  Oh, boy.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  Who's this report from?

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm just, wait, wait, hang on, Max. I'm just wondering, like, are they okay? Joel Embiid and Jalen Brown, are they on good terms? Cause it feels like there's something weird there.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Can I ask a follow up question? Has Joel Embiid?

• 45:50Speaker 04

  Well, Jalen Brown probably hasn't shouted at anyone.

• 45:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, but has, oh.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Hmm, oh, yeah. Well, Tracy McGrady said that specifically, Embiid and Jalen Brown haven't talked.

• 45:59Speaker 00

  Has Joel Embiid watched any of Jalen Brown's twitches, though? Because that's kind of like talking.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Is he, uh, yeah, is he a lurker?

• 46:05Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  If he was a commenter.

• 46:06Speaker 00

  That would be talking.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  When, because then Jalen's like, hey, chat.

• 46:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  He, under the chat umbrella.

• 46:11Speaker 00

  He's talking to him.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  Joel Embiid is included in that.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  So I saw him talk about how he's excited to play with Maxie and.

• 46:17Speaker 00

  And he's talked to those guys?

• 46:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, like when he did his stream, he shouted, shouted those guys out, like made it a point.

• 46:22Speaker 00

  And he didn't say Embiid's name.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  He did not.

• 46:25Speaker 00

  Max?

• 46:27Speaker 03

  Gotta get him in the room. I mean, the season doesn't start for months. Where I'm not worried about whether they've talked in July.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Well, but like, I mean, I feel you'd like them to talk.

• 46:36Speaker 04

  Joel Embiid's a pretty active guy on social media, like he talks.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  Not anymore.

• 46:40Speaker 00

  Let me ask, let me ask a question.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  He hasn't tweeted since Jalen Brown got traded.

• 46:44Speaker 03

  About like soccer.

• 46:46Speaker 00

  PFT, the Wizards haven't.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  He's not the same, he's not the same guy that he used to be on social media.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Hung out together or anything, right, as a team? What was crazy was the entire Washington Wizards sat courtside for AJ DeBance's.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's get our Wizards talk in. Let's make sure that we get our Wizards talk in today.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Hey, um, Max, Big Cat asked me a question.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  I know, I know, I'm just saying to both of you, let's make sure we get our Wizards talk.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Okay, good, that's good producing on your part.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, check it off the list.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  It's also unnecessary because Big Cat already asked me before you said that.

• 47:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, so we're already done with it.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'm just letting everyone know I'm happy that we're getting our Wizards talk.

• 47:15Speaker 00

  Okay, and you're, you're, you're not worried at all about the fact that Jalen Brown not only has not talked to Joel Embiid, but has also not shouted him out?

• 47:24Speaker 03

  I'm really upset about the not shouting.

• 47:25Speaker 00

  A shout out takes no effort.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, shout out Joel.

• 47:27Speaker 00

  Watch. Yeah. Shout out Joel Embiid.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  Let's let him get on the court together.

• 47:31Speaker 00

  Shout out Tyrese Maxey. Hank, you want to do your big shout out?

• 47:37Speaker 02

  You know, big man.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  No dog.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Should have hoot.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Osama would have been.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  They're free.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  He would have been a force in that Sixers frontcourt.

• 47:46Speaker 00

  Shout outs are free. Hank has proven that.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  What do you call it when you run two bigs at the same time?

• 47:51Speaker 00

  No.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  We don't.

• 47:51Speaker 00

  Okay, we don't do that.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  I mean, they're ri- they were rivals for a lo- for years. So I'm sure it's going to be a little bit of an adjustment period for them to, you know, be buddy buddy.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  So is Tyrese Maxey.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 48:05Speaker 00

  Years, multiple years.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Not nearly as long as Embiid and Jaylen Brown have been.

• 48:09Speaker 00

  When you said years, when you put an S on years, how many years?

• 48:12Speaker 03

  All right.

• 48:13Speaker 00

  I got the all right, dude. The all right, dude means we're out. It's, Max, it's got to concern you a little bit.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Let them play together. Like, it makes sense if someone of like two guys that have hated each other for a very long time. Like, they're gonna have to grow into a relationship for them to like, it makes sense. It makes sense to me.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Okay. Like, what if you got traded to the Kelsey podcast?

• 48:36Speaker 03

  I mean, I love, I love.

• 48:38Speaker 02

  You went out of your way to.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  You mean my.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  Only shout out Travis.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  That's just, that's, that's.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  That'd be fucked up.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, you, you would like, you would like the new addition to say something, right? I don't know. I guess I'm just more into ball.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, in a perfect, in a perfect world, I wish that they were all kumbaya from the start, but it, I get why maybe it wouldn't be from day one and that they, that relationship will grow together.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Okay. Uh, your cool throne. I'm glad we got to the bottom of that. Uh, my cool throne is going to the bathroom with the boys.

• 49:10Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Hitting, hitting the head, hitting the loo with the boys is back. It's also on the cool throne because, uh, I don't know if you guys saw this, but every year in Australia in rugby league, they do the state of origin series. And it's like the biggest series back and forth between the two biggest provinces in Australia. And at the game on, uh, on, I think it was last Wednesday night, there were two players from a local, uh, Australian Rules football team that went to the game, like superstar players named, uh, Jamara Oglehagen and Mac Andrew. So they go to the game together to support the squad. And, uh, somebody films them walking out of the individual family bathroom together.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  And they walked out, looked like they were having a good time.

• 49:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Um, and so that, that clip made the rounds. And so everyone's wondering like, hey, are they going to be disciplined for using the, uh, bathroom to get, what could they have been doing?

• 50:03Speaker 00

  Playing swords.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  In that bathroom together. The beauty is we don't know what went on behind the scenes, but I actually love what they're doing because the team, their team.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Or the bathroom was disabled.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  It was a disabled.

• 50:15Speaker 00

  The bathroom can't walk?

• 50:17Speaker 04

  Oh, I thought, I thought, I was reading it saying like the bathrooms weren't even working.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  No, the bathroom, uh, the bathroom was able bodied. But the, the idea for the bathroom is it should be for handicapped people.

• 50:31Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  That need, uh, different accommodations.

• 50:34Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  I don't know if, um, having an addiction to nose beers follows under that accommodation.

• 50:40Speaker 04

  This is sexist.

• 50:41Speaker 00

  Hmm. Yeah. Women go to the bathroom all the time together.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  Good point, Hank.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  So the Gold Coast Suns, they're the team. They said, yeah, you know what? Boys will be boys. Uh, we're not looking into it. We talked to them. We've accepted their explanation, so we're going to move on.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  So I, I love that. I love it too.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. If they're stars, they don't want to get bothered. They're going together, kind of have some strength. And it's, it's the same as when women do it.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  It's also, it's also, like I said, you play swords with your boys.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, so I'm glad, I'm glad that common sense has prevailed and in Australia, they still know how business is done.

• 51:14Speaker 00

  I like that a lot. Yeah. Uh, okay.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Bathroom with my, my best cunt.

• 51:19Speaker 00

  My, uh, my hot seat is, uh, MLB reporter, Chicago reporter Bruce Levine because, uh, oh boy, we haven't had one of these in a long time. If you missed it, Bruce covers the White Sox and the Cubs. He does radio hits on 670 The Score here in Chicago. And, uh, last night, he tweeted out a tweet that, uh, I believe was meant to be a DM or a text. And what he said was, "You and the other coaches have been the stars of the team being 12 games over 500. Let's hope Twinkle D and Twinkle Dum don't sell you guys out like the 2025. Enjoy the family time, pal." Whoops.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Uh, Twinkle D and Twinkle Dum. Is he talking about Tweedle D and Tweedle Dum?

• 52:03Speaker 00

  Uh, he is, and he's specifically talking about Jed Hoyer and Carter Hawkins, our GM. So, uh, he, now, people thought initially it was maybe to Craig Council. I actually don't think it was to Craig Council. I think it was probably to one of the other coaches on staff. Uh, and yeah, this, we haven't had one of these in a long ass time. This is like, remember when tweet to text was a thing and people would do this? You know, I'm getting there, all that stuff. Uh, it's just good to be like a little throwback here. And he, he left it up for like 20 minutes and then deleted it. But yeah, he's talking, it's, it's the double whammy of, he's talking shit about Jed Hoyer and Carter Hawkins and also kind of trying to suck up. And it's the lamest like suck up ever. And it's so funny that he tweeted it.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  It is very funny. Um, has he apologized?

• 52:50Speaker 00

  I have not seen it. We, we invited him on Wake Up Barstool this morning. He did not reply. Okay. I was shocked to find out that he, uh, he did not. Uh, no, looks like his last tweet is still the homerun derby winner receives $1 million. Uh, yeah, I love this. It's just, it's just real old school shit. And, uh, now he has to go sit in like the Cubs press conferences. And knowing Jed Hoyer and Carter Hawkins, I think they'll lean into it. They might dress up like them.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  They should do the propeller hats.

• 53:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, they might dress up like them and be like, Bruce, what's your first question?

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Propeller hats would be.

• 53:23Speaker 00

  Twinkle D and Twinkle Dum here.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Look great. Also, I'm more concerned the fact that he thinks the names are Twinkle D and Twinkle Dum.

• 53:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Is it Tweedle D?

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Tweedle D, Tweedle Dum.

• 53:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. Twinkle D and Twinkle Dum. What are the?

• 53:35Speaker 02

  That might also be an autocorrect. He might've gotten double whammied on it.

• 53:38Speaker 00

  What are, uh, what are, what are Tweedle D and Tweedle Dum from?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  They're like the, aren't they twins? Humpty Dumpty.

• 53:45Speaker 00

  Uh, like Snow White or something? Yeah, they're little fat twins.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at those guys.

• 53:51Speaker 00

  What are they from?

• 53:54Speaker 00

  That's really, that might be the oldest thing you could do is.

• 53:56Speaker 02

  Oh, Lewis Carroll. So is Alice in Wonderland through the Looking Glass.

• 54:01Speaker 00

  So he hit the, he hit the cycle for old shit.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:04Speaker 00

  Accidentally tweeting something while also referencing something from like a thousand years old.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  And misspelling it probably due to autocorrect that he didn't check.

• 54:12Speaker 00

  I just, oh, he, I really wish I had a live cam on him because again, he's a long time reporter and he now has to go face these guys, knowing that like he's the type of guy who will just talk shit behind your back and be a total suck up to the coaches. The coach is also a little bit like, what has that coach been saying to be in a conversation that it's okay to say that?

• 54:35Speaker 02

  It sounds pretty familiar. They sound like, uh, this is something that you don't just throw that out there to a coach.

• 54:40Speaker 00

  It's gonna be awkward for a minute.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  About their boss without knowing that it's gonna be received in a certain way.

• 54:44Speaker 00

  Right, right. Um, so yeah, that was, that was a fun one, uh, from Bruce, from good old Bruce. All right. My cool throne is, uh, the first is we have new Stella Blue Coffee in, uh, four packs, four cans. So you can buy it at sellbluecoffee.com. Saving dogs. We're trying to save a thousand dogs this year. If we used to sell them in 12s, we still sell them in 12, but if you're just trying, you know, want to try it out, buy the four pack. It's great there. And then my other cool throne is QB lists, cause we have our first top 10 QB list of the year.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  A second, Pete.

• 55:16Speaker 00

  Second, that's right.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  Frisco.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. So ESPN, uh, released a QB list with their rankings from coaches.

• 55:24Speaker 00

  Execs and I believe players and PFT Max, you guys are no longer on the top 10.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  That's fine. Did not expect it this year.

• 55:33Speaker 00

  So when.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  I spent, I spent all last offseason policing, watching like a hawk. I'm glad that my watch is in it temporarily.

• 55:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. So when Josh Allen won, Mahomes two, oh no, that's not it. Uh, wait, Josh Allen won, Mahomes two, Stafford three, Joe Burrow four, Lamar Jackson five, Dak Prescott six, what? Justin Herbert seven, Drake May eight, Jared Goff nine, Caleb Williams 10. Hank, we're on the top 10. They must've seen that picture of Dak Prescott. Yeah. I like being 10. 10's a nice spot because it's just like, hey, there's still a lot of work to be done.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  10's a good spot. Uh, Dak's too high.

• 56:10Speaker 00

  Dak's too.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna say Dak's way too high.

• 56:12Speaker 00

  Herbert's too high. I mean, Herbert, it is pretty crazy because her, he still hasn't won anything.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  I want to know what he was last year. Was he even lower than seven? Did he improve?

• 56:24Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm using this as motivation because the way I look at this QB list, if you pull it back up, the, the, the guys on the left side, the top five guys, those are guys that are like, that's MVP or Super Bowl guys, right? So that's, that's where it's like, this is the meat of it. Six through, it should just be six through 15 because it feels like those can be interchangeable, like Jalen Hurts and Jayden Daniels being in it last year than being out of it this year. That's, so you gotta get yourself to the left-hand column. So I'm using it as motivation.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  You get to the left-hand column and then it's hard to get knocked out of the left.

• 56:55Speaker 00

  Correct. Yeah. Yeah. The six through 10 is like, that's a fluid situation.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Jared Goff should be higher too.

• 56:59Speaker 00

  You had a good year.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  Disrespectful to Jared.

• 57:01Speaker 00

  Jared should be where Dak is.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 00

  Jared should be six.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Jared Goff, if you look at his stats, since he's joined the Lions outside that very first year, uh, but his, his recent stats, he's been one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. You can't really make an argument otherwise.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  But we will do our QB list, uh, in the next couple. Couple of weeks, uh, official QB list. Are you? Max, were you guys surprised or were you like, fuck it, we're work to be done?

• 57:26Speaker 03

  Now, Jalen Hurts is the most disrespected player in the NFL and he plays at his best when he's like this.

• 57:30Speaker 00

  Oh, so you're happy?

• 57:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%. Jalen Hurts is gonna have an MVP year this year.

• 57:35Speaker 00

  MVP?

• 57:35Speaker 03

  100%.

• 57:36Speaker 00

  100%. He's gonna win MVP or MVP year?

• 57:40Speaker 03

  He'll be in the conversation.

• 57:41Speaker 00

  Well, we're having it right now.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 57:44Speaker 00

  So he's in it. So check, he doesn't have to play this year.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  He'll be in the conver- in the conversation at the end of the year.

• 57:50Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  I'm not upset that Jayden's not, he should be on it after last year. Like, I'd be delusional to say that he had a top 10 year where I would expect to see him on this list. His rookie year, yeah, I was, I was looking at the top 10s, making sure that, that JD5 was up there. Uh, but no, I'd, I'd have to be, I'd have to get my head examined if I was like standing on a table being like, Jaden Daniels should be a top 10 quarterback going into this year.

• 58:12Speaker 00

  Uh, Zach, are you upset if Baker Mayfield's not on there? I guess I could ask the same for you memes, Gino? Is it Gino?

• 58:20Speaker 06

  It is Gino. Uh, he had a bad year last year. He's gotta prove, prove everybody, uh, wrong.

• 58:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Baker's pushed through a lot of injury last year. Now he's all healthy. Should be good.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  I saw an interesting stat, Big Cat.

• 58:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  Um, our good friend, now Zach, this doesn't, it's not so much about you. It's mostly about our, our friend Steven Che that likes to tell us how the Tampa Bay Bucks have been the best team in the 2000s.

• 58:45Speaker 00

  Uh, 2020s.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Sorry, okay, so since 2010.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  No, he's only doing 2020s.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  But since 2010, um, the Cleveland Browns have the most fourth place division finishes with 10. And second place is the Jets with eight. And third place with seven, it's me, it's you, the Cardinals and the Bucks. Pretty crazy.

• 59:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  I did not, I, I, I hadn't, I guess.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  There's some lean years in there.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  How bad they were, the Dirk Cutter years or whatever.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  They had some, they had some tough seasons in Tampa Bay in the 2010s.

• 59:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. But they've, they're, they're one of the best franchises in the last six years.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's pre-COVID, you know, that's ancient history.

• 59:27Speaker 00

  Right, right. But you did win a COVID Super Bowl, for being fair.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  Disease was out there. Yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 05

  It was out there. It's always, I mean, it's amongst us now. You never know.

• 59:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's true.

• 59:39Speaker 05

  Great win. What a win.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Long COVID.

• 59:40Speaker 00

  Every Super Bowl here, here forward is a COVID Super Bowl.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 59:45Speaker 05

  That's what scientists are saying.

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. All right. Your hot seat, cool throne, Zach?

• 59:48Speaker 05

  Uh, my hot seat this week is gonna be, uh, toilets. Did you guys see we have a parasitic, uh, intestinal disease sweeping the nation?

• 59:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it started in Michigan.

• 59:56Speaker 05

  I think it did start in Michigan. They have like eight thousand confirmed cases right now.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  It's just diarrhea.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  But it's, it's long, it's a long diarrhea.

• 1:00:04Speaker 00

  What does that mean?

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  You have it for a long time.

• 1:00:06Speaker 05

  It's like hospitalization diarrhea though.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  It's a term I just made up. It's, it's.

• 1:00:10Speaker 00

  So do I have it?

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  We might have.

• 1:00:12Speaker 00

  I'm on day two right now.

• 1:00:14Speaker 05

  Gestation period, couple of days to a couple of weeks.

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  I've had a bad, bad day today. But I don't know if that's just food related.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  What worries me is that there's diarrhea. It's gotta be really bad if this, this many people are going to the ER for diarrhea.

• 1:00:30Speaker 00

  But what doesn't worry.

• 1:00:32Speaker 05

  Right. No one has, no one gets diarrhea. And I was like, oh, this might be a problem. And I was like, oh, I'm.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  It must be insane amounts of diarrhea.

• 1:00:38Speaker 00

  What doesn't bother me is that if you had to say th- there's one thing this entire room is well versed in, it'd be diarrhea. Like, we're hardened soldiers.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  That's a good point.

• 1:00:53Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  But I need to, I need to see the clientele that's going to the ER because Michigan feels like diarrhea state.

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  Okay, give me your top four diarrhea states.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  It's all around Wisconsin, Michigan.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Oh, no, Wisconsin, too much cheese in Wisconsin.

• 1:01:07Speaker 00

  What about Mississippi?

• 1:01:08Speaker 02

  Arkansas.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  Texas.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  Arkansas might be.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  Arkansas, yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  Big time diarrhea.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  But like Midwest, Midwest feels like they should know how to handle their, their rea.

• 1:01:17Speaker 00

  Oklahoma's sneaky diarrhea state.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  South Carolina's diarrhea state.

• 1:01:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Speaker 05

  Louisiana has to be one.

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  Eh.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  Oh, Louisiana's maybe the number one diarrhea state.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Gumbo?

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's wet.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, Louisiana is, yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 00

  And it's always. Let's put that on a graphic, top diarrhea states. You think Ohio, Ohio's diarrhea?

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  Ohio, yeah, well, Ohio's, they were one, it was Michigan and Ohio.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Chile.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, are you kidding me?

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it just runs right through you. It looks the same.

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  But what I'm saying is, it's Ohio, Ohio especially, you think that the people of Ohio know how to handle a little bit of diarrhea.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  If they're going, if they're going to the ER for diarrhea, it must be serious.

• 1:01:56Speaker 00

  If it was like, if it was like, oh, we have reports of like, some Californians going to the ER for diarrhea, it's like, tough enough.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  Nothing, nothing.

• 1:02:03Speaker 00

  What are you doing?

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  It's like, yeah, it was a little, you had a floater.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  Michigan and Ohio are football states. Those are.

• 1:02:09Speaker 00

  Football states and diarrhea states are synonymous.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  Yes, big, big 10 country.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Oh, Missouri is a diarrhea city.

• 1:02:15Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Big time.

• 1:02:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, St. Louis diarrhea city.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Maybe, that might be number one diarrhea city. We should break it down by city, too.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Baltimore might be a diarrhea city.

• 1:02:26Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  The crabs.

• 1:02:28Speaker 00

  Right, yeah, right on the bay.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Old Bay.

• 1:02:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, right there, right in the harbor.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, that just smell, like the smell in the air.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  Philly.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  Smell in the, oh, yeah, Philly's diarrhea.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  Pittsburgh. Actually, Pennsylvania.

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  Is big time diarrhea state.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  I'm kind of thinking Pennsylvania might be top five, Max.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, we know, we know how to handle diarrhea for sure.

• 1:02:47Speaker 00

  We need a map, we need Max's map on states that can handle diarrhea.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  I am worried about this explosive diarrhea stuff, because it sounds like Max says, it's, it's sending some, some hardened buttholes to the ER.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  I'm not, it sounds like a free diet.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  I like that angle where it's like, you could lose a quick five.

• 1:03:03Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  But if it's like shitting to near death, how long can you be on the throne?

• 1:03:09Speaker 00

  Oh, forever.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  We could do the podcast.

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  I can play Uker and cribbage on my phone forever.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  If we, if this podcast got it and we just had to do Zoom episodes from, from the shitter.

• 1:03:18Speaker 00

  It would work. It would work. We've made do.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  People would tune in. People would definitely tune in for those episodes.

• 1:03:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Speaker 05

  Do you play against somebody when you play euchre or cribbage?

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  Uh, it's.

• 1:03:28Speaker 05

  It's just computer.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  It's just computer.

• 1:03:30Speaker 05

  I just signed up on chess.com.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 1:03:32Speaker 05

  And I've been, I've been on a real chess kick for the last 24 hours.

• 1:03:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Speaker 05

  It's a problem.

• 1:03:37Speaker 00

  I'm a big card game guy. Just fun. Just pass the time. I do, I play, I play euchre during the day. I play cribbage at night right before I go to bed. Kind of just exhaust all the mental energy right before I go to bed.

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  You guys are playing rummy? Gin rummy?

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Speaker 05

  Great game.

• 1:03:49Speaker 00

  Great game. Great game. All right. Your cool throne?

• 1:03:52Speaker 05

  Um, my cool throne this week is gonna be, uh, Adrian Bronner, uh, former four, four time, uh, belt, uh, boxing belt fighter, world belt contender. Adrian Bronner, he's 36 now. He's gonna, he says he's got one more shot. I know this didn't go well the other day with Connor at 38. Adrian Bronner is 36. He's gonna lock himself in to a warehouse 45 days straight on live and just get, get back right and try to see if he can win another title fight.

• 1:04:15Speaker 00

  I'm gonna say no.

• 1:04:17Speaker 05

  Uh, I will, that's a good guess, but I will say it's impressive, the muscle memory these guys have, cause he's on like day seven, but it looks like he's lost 55 pounds.

• 1:04:25Speaker 00

  Like fighters have to fight and their prime is their prime. And then you like walk away, it's over. Especially if you have money. It's the whole, like you can't, you can't do road work in silk pajamas. You can mark right where Conor McGregor's career took a nosedive is when he made a hundred million dollars fighting Floyd Mayweather.

• 1:04:43Speaker 05

  I think Bronner might be back hungry, cause I don't know if he has the most money anymore.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  Got it. Okay. So then yeah, that could make the hunger.

• 1:04:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. Just seemed pretty impressive. I don't know.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  He's just doing a live stream for 40 days?

• 1:04:55Speaker 05

  45 days straight.

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  So this is just boxing is now just Mr. Beast?

• 1:05:00Speaker 05

  Kind of sorta, but not to the same scale. Like it's, I, I would assume Mr. Beast stayed at the boxing ring would be like in a big bubble. This is a warehouse.

• 1:05:07Speaker 00

  Just two days of quitting alcohol. This is why I kind of wish I drank more so I could just quit it and lose weight. I seriously think about that all the time.

• 1:05:15Speaker 05

  I doubt that that's all this guy did though.

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Speaker 05

  But if that's two, three days.

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  It looks like he dropped forty pounds. I'm so jealous of people. I'm so jealous of people like, oh yeah, I went sober for a month. I dropped thirty pounds. I don't have that. I still got that in my bag. I'd have to, I'd have to quit ice cream and I'm not going to do that.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Right. That's the problem. Yeah. Okay. I've done that for like the last six days and I've just been waking up pissed off. Ice cream? Yeah. Why'd you quit ice cream? I, I got a lock in for at least ninety days. Oh, it had nothing to do with the fact the ice cream machine that I bought was down for two weeks? We're all the way back up though. I got your ice cream. You just hope I never mentioned it. That's not what it was. It was, we're back up. Okay. We got you. Dialed. Two flavors.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  Oh, also, uh, today, Wednesday, I'm the guest host for, uh, the Geo Sports game.

• 1:06:04Speaker 00

  Oh, nice.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  Go play it online. I wrote all the questions today. Uh, so if you know anything about me, you'll probably be able to get some of them right.

• 1:06:10Speaker 00

  I love that. That's sick. Okay. Uh, let's do our Mount Rushmore. Then we have Roger Clemens, great interview with Roger Clemens and Shane Bacon, our good friend Shane Bacon, to talk about the open that's starting this weekend. Listen, we're, we're, I keep thinking of it like, oh, we're in the dead time, but we're getting World Cup final in the open.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Speaker 00

  It's a good weekend.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  No, this is, this is one of the good summers.

• 1:06:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  There are some bad summers where you really have to try to care about the WNBA.

• 1:06:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  Uh, this is not one of those years.

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

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• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  That we could live the rest of our life in. So the, the, the prompt here is basically you get four places you just, and you have to live it. You, you can't, you can't, can't leave. And these are the four stores. Uh, the updated standings, uh, we, Max, memes and I won by 2%?

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  Point 2%.

• 1:08:06Speaker 00

  Point 2%.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  But the, but the, but the poll says we had 40%.

• 1:08:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, but the desktop is always what we go off because it actually gives you decimals.

• 1:08:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  It gives you the full.

• 1:08:14Speaker 00

  We know that. Hank, you know that.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, you know, I could tell that you didn't even mean that protest.

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, you knew that. You knew that when you said it.

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  You followed the protest because you kind of had to, but.

• 1:08:23Speaker 00

  You had, you, you threw a, a red flag that was out of frustration.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just saw 40% and you guys had 39%. And it didn't make sense to me.

• 1:08:32Speaker 00

  We won the, the, by point 2%, very tight one. And now we're gonna do Mount Rushmore of stores slash restaurants. You could live the rest of your life in. Hank and Zach are up first, then PFT, then Max, memes and I.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  This is either gonna go really bad or okay. I'm probably bad because when this is when I don't know between the two, it's not the best one. We're gonna go with Costco.

• 1:08:55Speaker 00

  I, that's a great pick. Great fucking pick.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  Thank God. All right. That makes you feel better.

• 1:09:00Speaker 00

  It has everything.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  It has everything. If you're living in there for the rest of your life, they have activities, they got trampolines.

• 1:09:05Speaker 00

  They got a lazy river.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  Grill stuff, they got lazy river.

• 1:09:07Speaker 00

  1-1. We had it as our 1-1. You feel good about it.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  I don't know why you weren't, that was the obvious one.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  I know, but I never know. I, Zach, Max, when you lose as much as we do, you can't trust yourself.

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  Food galore, space.

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  You guys are seeing ghosts.

• 1:09:22Speaker 00

  Clothes.

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  Everything.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Supplements.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  We're winning polls and still losing. Like, you know, what are we, what are you supposed to do?

• 1:09:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. Good pick.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  They got really good alcohol there too.

• 1:09:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Shout out Costco brand alcohol.

• 1:09:33Speaker 00

  Hop on a bike, just ride around Costco.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  Get your exercise. They got exercise equipment too. Uh, so it's me?

• 1:09:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  All right. I'm gonna go with Magic City.

• 1:09:42Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  Strip club with great food.

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  Okay. Okay.

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  Be pretty good, pretty good place to

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I don't hate that.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  Wind down, wind down the old lifespan.

• 1:09:51Speaker 03

  I don't hate it.

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  It's a good pick.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  Uh, what do we do here, boys?

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  Two?

• 1:09:55Speaker 00

  Two and the one we talked about?

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:09:57Speaker 00

  Okay, so we, we liked, we were gonna go Costco, so good pick Hank, we'll go with similar. Uh, Walmart has everything, everything.

• 1:10:07Speaker 03

  It has food, it has TVs, it has the games.

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  Games, you can watch games.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  It has video games, it

• 1:10:14Speaker 00

  Has everything.

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's in this

• 1:10:15Speaker 04

  Dollar Hot Dogs?

• 1:10:17Speaker 00

  Uh, they do have subways attached, I believe. Comes with Subway? Yeah, comes with Subway. Eye doctor, yeah.

• 1:10:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:23Speaker 00

  We got it all, clothes.

• 1:10:25Speaker 04

  Should have a butthole doctor if there's a Subway in there.

• 1:10:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, you wanna fish?

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:28Speaker 00

  Wanna pitch a tent?

• 1:10:30Speaker 03

  It's in there.

• 1:10:30Speaker 00

  And then our second pick was, we, we were very excited about this because we thought of it late. Uh, Dave and Buster's will be our second pick.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  Okay, good pick.

• 1:10:37Speaker 00

  Because you could just stay in there forever.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  You got, you got an arcade, you got food, you got booze.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

  A restaurant.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:44Speaker 00

  It's a, it's an adult restaurant.

• 1:10:45Speaker 03

  It's a restaurant and arcade and booze and a bar. It's exactly what, it's exactly what you want if you're staying in a place forever.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, alright, I got my, my, uh, number two overall still on the board, Dick's Sporting Goods.

• 1:10:57Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  Or Sporting Goods.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  That's where we were going before we thought of, yeah.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  Dave and Buster's. It would rock, you could do any activity you wanted in there.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Probably, you'd never run out of stuff to do.

• 1:11:08Speaker 00

  We had Dick's on our list, then we thought of Dave and Buster's, like shit, Dave and Buster's, like if you were stuck in a Dave and Buster's, that'd be a lot of fun.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:14Speaker 00

  But Dick's is a great pick.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  The smell too.

• 1:11:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, just try on new sneakers and run around.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  I feel like the smell is gonna be a big part of, of where you'd wanna spend the rest of your life, and that's a great smell.

• 1:11:27Speaker 04

  Zach?

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  You got the ball Zach?

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  We like take the win.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Oh, the casino?

• 1:11:34Speaker 00

  I don't think that counts. Is it a store or restaurant?

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  You can take it, you can take it, no, you can take it.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  I'm okay with it because you can just lose all your money, yeah.

• 1:11:43Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:11:44Speaker 03

  You can take it.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  Like the casino?

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Casino.

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  You can take it.

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  Your, your one first pick was a strip club.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  I didn't pick a strip club.

• 1:11:52Speaker 04

  No, I'm saying, if you're saying we would lose all our money, you also would lose all your money.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  I know, but that's an investment Hank, you'd actually be getting something for

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  We could actually win.

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  We could also, but that's just a hotel, you have to, you have to pick a specific spot.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Thoughts on the win?

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  Pool bar.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  You got, you got the win.

• 1:12:07Speaker 00

  It's excellent.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  You got the win.

• 1:12:08Speaker 00

  You guys take a snap out of a pick.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  The win looks terrible.

• 1:12:10Speaker 00

  Okay, alright, alright.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  We'll take the pool bar then.

• 1:12:12Speaker 00

  Alright. No, no, you got the win.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  No, you got the win.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was just trying to follow the rules, you know?

• 1:12:15Speaker 00

  You got the win. You got the win.

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  Uh. Fertile Max memes, they keep saying, you got it, you got it. I was gonna fight it, but yeah. Alright, they got it.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  It's fine.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  And then, this is, yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm thinking, cause I'm thinking, we have the different places you, like, we already have Costco, we already have everything in a Costco, we got gambling. I'm going to take Carbone Miami.

• 1:12:42Speaker 00

  Oh. Good restaurant.

• 1:12:43Speaker 04

  Good restaurant, good scenery. Lots of beautiful women in there, like, it's, it'd be a good place to, you know, eat dinner every night for the rest of your life.

• 1:12:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  A lot of great looking women with all their clothes on there, yeah. Good pick.

• 1:12:55Speaker 04

  But like, an actual, uh, actual menu, it's not just wings.

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, Magic City's got, they got a menu.

• 1:13:01Speaker 04

  Do they?

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, Hank, I said it's a good pick.

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:13:05Speaker 02

  It's a really good pick. Is it my turn?

• 1:13:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  Alright, I'm gonna go Sam's Club.

• 1:13:11Speaker 00

  Okay, similar to Costco, similar to Walmart.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:13:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's the brother of, uh, Costco.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  Yep, yeah.

• 1:13:19Speaker 00

  Okay, uh, you guys, you guys feel good about those last two?

• 1:13:23Speaker 03

  I like thirteen and the one that you said.

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:13:28Speaker 00

  Alright, which one you wanna go first?

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  Thirteen.

• 1:13:31Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Can't believe Hank let it slip.

• 1:13:36Speaker 00

  You say it.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  PJ Superstore.

• 1:13:37Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, good pick. Would be very fun to have forever.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  Good pick, you had to live in it.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  If you got all, if you got all these things right now, we got grocery store, bar, restaurant, video games, golf.

• 1:13:51Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:52Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll say it.

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  If I was stuck inside for the rest of my life, like, I don't know, golfing on a simulator would not, I don't know how much, how much time I'd be doing.

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  It would just be choice of golfing on a simulator or not golfing.

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  But like, no, no, Costco has clubs, they got nets, like, you could, you could, you could do.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  It's not the same.

• 1:14:11Speaker 00

  I would like to see you try to do that in a net over and over. You'd have fun with that?

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  That's what a simulator is essentially.

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Nice part about Dick's Sporting Goods is they have golf simulators, a lot of them.

• 1:14:23Speaker 03

  We should get rid of the simulator in our office and just make it a net.

• 1:14:29Speaker 04

  I mean simulator's better, but it's, it's, it's, it's good for when you can't golf, but in this scenario, you can't golf. So like.

• 1:14:35Speaker 00

  All right. What, what's our last pick? What are we thinking? Talk it out.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  I like, I like the one that, that you texted.

• 1:14:42Speaker 00

  I think that it's up to eight, 12 and uh,

• 1:14:48Speaker 00

  18 would be my picks. Memes, help us out.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  12, 12 is good. 12, 12 is really good.

• 1:14:54Speaker 00

  12 is good. 12 is fun.

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  I think it's 12.

• 1:14:57Speaker 00

  12 is fun.

• 1:14:57Speaker 03

  12 is fun. 12 is fun.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  All right. We'll do Bass Pro Shop.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:15:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. You got everything in there.

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  Good pick.

• 1:15:05Speaker 00

  There's some water. You could swim with the fishes.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:07Speaker 00

  You just go fishing.

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  I love our list.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  You get naked.

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  I love our list.

• 1:15:09Speaker 00

  Just go fishing.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  Remember that naked guy in the Bass Pro Shop?

• 1:15:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  Guy was hung.

• 1:15:16Speaker 00

  The tiniest dick.

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. My last pick, I'm going mattress firm.

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  Yep. That's where we were.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Nice, nice place to fall asleep there. You got your pick of the most luxurious mattress and none of these other places have a real solid place to fall asleep. So I feel like mattress firm, get the pillow top going. You can even spice things up, like mix up your mattresses week to week.

• 1:15:37Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Mattress firm.

• 1:15:38Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:15:40Speaker 00

  Hank? Zach? Uh, we would like to take AMC Theaters. Oh.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  That's a good pick.

• 1:15:47Speaker 03

  That is a good pick. That is a good pick.

• 1:15:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:50Speaker 03

  It's a good pick.

• 1:15:50Speaker 00

  That's a good pick.

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm.

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  That's great value.

• 1:15:53Speaker 00

  That's a good pick.

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  I didn't think of it.

• 1:15:55Speaker 03

  I didn't think about that, but that's a very good pick.

• 1:15:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, similar to that Shane, maybe the worst answer ever.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  What'd you say?

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  Shane just threw it out there. We didn't ask for his help. He just threw it. He said Blockbuster.

• 1:16:07Speaker 02

  Oh God.

• 1:16:07Speaker 00

  I actually don't know how.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  There's one, right?

• 1:16:11Speaker 00

  Not only that, but even if you did like the peak Blockbuster, they didn't have like TVs that you could just sit there and watch movie. They didn't have like furniture that you could sit on.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  You could just get Best Buy.

• 1:16:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  Best Buy is there.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Tiny TV that was in the upper right-hand corner that didn't have a good picture. There was something wrong with it.

• 1:16:27Speaker 00

  Just a terrible, terrible pick. We should have.

• 1:16:29Speaker 03

  You could look at a lot of discs.

• 1:16:31Speaker 06

  I'm, cause we're not from Shane's region as we learned with the tuna. I'm sure his Blockbuster had a bunch of TVs, had every video game.

• 1:16:39Speaker 00

  Alright, so let's do honorable mentions. Uh, Target was also kind of the-

• 1:16:43Speaker 03

  People are gonna be pissed that Target wasn't picked. Everyone had their-

• 1:16:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, we all had our big-

• 1:16:48Speaker 03

  We all had our, our super store.

• 1:16:49Speaker 00

  Sam's Club, Costco and Walmart.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  I had Cabela's on the list, just because of the firearm situation there.

• 1:16:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  And then Spencer's Gifts.

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  Cause they probably, they probably got some stuff you could fuck.

• 1:17:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  We were going back and forth between Bass Pro Shops and Bed Bath & Beyond, which is similar, similar to your-

• 1:17:08Speaker 00

  Smells nice. That's a good smelling store.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Cheesecake Factory.

• 1:17:13Speaker 00

  Are those, do those close down though? No, I think they're still-

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  Bed Bath & Beyond?

• 1:17:16Speaker 00

  I think they're still open.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  I think a lot of them may have closed down.

• 1:17:19Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, Cheesecake Factory would have been the restaurant, just because the menu is so, so, so big. Chili's, we, Max and I both said Chili's right away, which-

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's been out of business for three years.

• 1:17:28Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  R.I.P.

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  We still have a website.

• 1:17:32Speaker 00

  Oh, it's still on-

• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  Oh, maybe it's only online now?

• 1:17:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  Alright, so yeah, good thing we didn't pick it.

• 1:17:37Speaker 00

  Uh, I, what'd you guys think about Ikea?

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  No, fuck that. You'd have to assemble all the stuff.

• 1:17:43Speaker 00

  Well, some of it's assembled.

• 1:17:44Speaker 03

  A lot of it's already assembled.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, but those are all the showrooms.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  But you also, but you also get the food court.

• 1:17:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, you get the meatballs.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if you go to the bathroom, you have to go back through the whole maze.

• 1:17:53Speaker 00

  True.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, good point, good point.

• 1:17:56Speaker 00

  Um, just a regular diner would be cool.

• 1:17:59Speaker 02

  Diner would be good.

• 1:17:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Be a regular there, yeah.

• 1:18:01Speaker 03

  Wawa.

• 1:18:02Speaker 00

  Well, we had Buc-E's, Wawa, uh, Buffalo Wild Wings would be awesome.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Buffalo Wild Wings circa 2007.

• 1:18:11Speaker 00

  With the trivia?

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, that would rock.

• 1:18:13Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, what, this is-

• 1:18:15Speaker 02

  Topgolf?

• 1:18:16Speaker 00

  This is gonna age us, PFT, but I, I threw this one out there and I got no response, but Sharper Image would be kinda cool.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  They got cool shit there, yeah.

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  Sitting in a massage chair and just play with gadgets all day?

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  Like Brookstone?

• 1:18:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, you could, you could, you could spend a lot of time in Sharper Image and not get bored.

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  Feel like we should have taken Topgolf.

• 1:18:34Speaker 00

  Topgolf would have been a good pick.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  Then you do get the outside golf.

• 1:18:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:42Speaker 05

  And you at least get some air.

• 1:18:43Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  Top golf would have been good.

• 1:18:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. Good Mount Rushmore. We feel good about it?

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love Zach. Zach pulled AMC at the end. That was a huge.

• 1:18:52Speaker 00

  AMC was a great pull.

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  AMC was great.

• 1:18:54Speaker 05

  Made up for the win.

• 1:18:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Win, what's wrong with the win in Las Vegas? Like, it's a great.

• 1:18:58Speaker 05

  Great place.

• 1:19:00Speaker 03

  It might be the most niche place that you could possibly pick.

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  A casino?

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  The, you said the win.

• 1:19:06Speaker 00

  The win.

• 1:19:06Speaker 05

  Casino?

• 1:19:07Speaker 00

  No, you said the win.

• 1:19:08Speaker 03

  You said the win.

• 1:19:08Speaker 04

  What's in the lobby of the win?

• 1:19:10Speaker 00

  The win. The pick is the win.

• 1:19:13Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  Oh, gotcha.

• 1:19:16Speaker 00

  I mean, they do have, they've got very comfortable rooms.

• 1:19:22Speaker 03

  I just don't think it's, I just don't think very many people have been to the win.

• 1:19:26Speaker 05

  Casinos, they got restaurants, they got a pool, they got.

• 1:19:28Speaker 00

  It's not a bad pick.

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:30Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:19:32Speaker 00

  I think in terms of logic, it is a very good pick. I don't know how it's gonna play, but I guess that's why we do the poll.

• 1:19:39Speaker 05

  Would, uh, would Amazon Warehouse have played?

• 1:19:42Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:19:43Speaker 05

  Or is, like, is that?

• 1:19:44Speaker 00

  No bathrooms, though.

• 1:19:46Speaker 03

  But can the public go into, like?

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  Can the public just go into?

• 1:19:51Speaker 00

  He'd just be in the way the whole time? Like, just be dudes driving past with forklifts? Yeah. They do, you would have everything that you need there.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Did you guys ever see, did you guys ever see that movie with, uh, Channing Tatum that, that did this? He, he escaped from jail and then he went to and lived in a Toys R Us for like four months?

• 1:20:08Speaker 00

  That's pretty sick.

• 1:20:09Speaker 05

  That's an elite movie you guys should watch if you haven't seen it.

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a good movie.

• 1:20:11Speaker 05

  So good.

• 1:20:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was trying to think, like, there's not much, I guess you could do, like, uh, you could do Planet Fitness. Just get jacked.

• 1:20:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Speaker 00

  That would actually, if you had Planet Fitness with a basketball court, that's a miss.

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  Dick's Sporting Goods, you could, but Dick's Sporting Goods, you could do that. They got weights.

• 1:20:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, you could get jacked. Yeah.

• 1:20:29Speaker 05

  What about, like, uh, SoFi Food Court? Would you have been able to get the field?

• 1:20:35Speaker 03

  If you take the

• 1:20:35Speaker 00

  You're just taking a stadium?

• 1:20:37Speaker 03

  If you take the food court at SoFi, you get the field too?

• 1:20:40Speaker 02

  I think if you take the food court, you probably just get the food court.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  You just get the food court?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you say, I'm taking the SoFi food court.

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  I think you could have taken, like, I think you could have taken a stadium.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  You could have said the SoFi Stadium.

• 1:20:50Speaker 03

  SoFi Stadium, but I think you get everything if you get.

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:53Speaker 03

  I don't know why you would specify the food court.

• 1:20:56Speaker 00

  You, the move would be to take a baseballs because you get more entertainment. You 80, you know, 81 games. You know what I mean?

• 1:21:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, but when it That would be a good, that would have been a good pick, honestly.

• 1:21:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, Wrigley?

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  It would have been sick.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:11Speaker 00

  But I'm just saying, like, you, it's still operating normally. You only get whatever, nine Sundays.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Part of me thought these places were empty. That's on me. I thought we were going in like we're the only one in there.

• 1:21:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, I guess that is true. We are the only, that's how I was operating too. I don't know why I changed it there.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  Magic City probably wouldn't be the best place if no one was in there.

• 1:21:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:29Speaker 00

  Good point.

• 1:21:30Speaker 03

  Fair point.

• 1:21:31Speaker 00

  Good point.

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need those titties.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Speaker 00

  Okay, uh, let's get to our interview. We got Roger Clemens and then Shane Macon talking about the Open Championship.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

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• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is seven time Cy Young winner, Roger Clemens, the Rocket, here, American Century Championship, ready for the golf tournament. Is it, does it ever get old having someone say seven times Cy Young winner?

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  Not at all.

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  That's pretty insane.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I keep saying it's awesome.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  I tell people, anybody can win one, right?

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, I could win one. Sure. Was there a moment, was there a moment?

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:24:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Was there a moment when you were on like, when you were on like four or five, you're like, that's probably it for me?

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  Well, with the four boys, a little pressure now because the first one went to Kobe, my oldest, and then I wanted the next one, it went to Corey. And then I said, you know, I can't stop here because the next thing you know, I got two other young ones. And the youngest one, as you guys may or may not know, is with the Minnesota Twins.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  So I'm gonna make you guys push super hard. We had a guy get injured and he's kind of being talked like go to Philadelphia. So I know you guys.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  All-star game.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  I know you guys know all the GMs.

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  We do.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  So make a, make some phone calls.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll do my best on that one. And I, one thing, I think Big Cat left out, maybe your most important accolade, you had the longest twilight of any career.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. You guys aren't messing around today. This is gonna be a good one. We're gonna let it fly on this one. So yeah, Duke Cat wanted his own team and everybody's like, oh, you left Boston? What'd you, I said, guys, I didn't leave Boston. I was ready to go.

• 1:25:00Speaker 05

  I think I had my second 20 strikeout game was my second to last start with the Red Sox. So I was really washed up. I only punched out 20 guys. I guess I was supposed to punch out 27. Yeah, the sun was setting. Yeah. And then the cat says, good luck in the twilight of your career. And it was a frigging long twilight. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're one of those guys that could. Circle. Just like, yeah. Yeah. You could convince me like tomorrow, if I saw a press release being like Roger Clemens is going to come back again. I'd be like, he probably can. Do you, what, what could you throw right now? Well, they're only going four innings. Yeah, I know. That's right. I want to talk about that. But what could you? No, I need ice. If I would do the worst mistake I made in the last three years, believe it or not, boys, I'm going to be 60 frigging four this year. But worst mistake I made was pitching for the Savannah Bananas. Oh, no.

• 1:25:44Speaker 05

  My whole body hurt, man. I was just supposed to throw out the first pitch and I told Jesse, yeah, give me an old man's wig and a rocker and I'll go out there and rip it off. Fans will go crazy. And I'll throw you one in there about 80. And he goes, that would be awesome. But I'd really like for you to pitch. And I go, are you, you know what, crazy? And so I did it, got through it, but I had to sit in an ice tank for three days. My whole body hurt. How many innings did you go? I went one. One. So Max went? Yeah. What, two? Yeah, against Savannah Bananas. Tell me how bad your elbow hurt.

• 1:26:14Speaker 05

  I had to catch for him. Tell me how bad that elbow hurt. Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  I was pitching like a position player at the end of the game where I was just trying to get strikes.

• 1:26:27Speaker 05

  You were throwing the air cutter.

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:26:29Speaker 05

  I like that. That gets people out.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  I didn't, I got a lot of, well, my, my defense wasn't the best. It was a lot of the guys here. But I got a lot of, what would have been outs. A lot of errors, but.

• 1:26:40Speaker 05

  No, it was good that you went out there. That's showing me something right there. Yeah. What's, all right. So what's, what's a cockier move? Being a pitcher named the Rocket or naming all your sons with the first letter K? Well, it's got to be with the Rocket because the boys give me. Grief that say dad, you named us all with the letter K. We're all hitters. Yeah, that's true. What are you gonna do? Did you think about naming any of them with a backwards K? Would that even be allowed? That, you know. That would have been sick. I think my next grandkid. Backwards K. I might have to tell my son who just had one of my Clyde. Wait, so are they, are they sticking with this? Clyde with a C. Oh, no. Okay. Okay. Cause he might be a hitter. Who knows? Yeah. But you know, we, that, that, I'm, that's a great idea. I mean, you can do anything with names these days.

• 1:27:23Speaker 05

  Anything, yeah. And put a J in it, right? Yeah. J backwards K. Exactly. So, did you ever walk around like calling yourself the Rocket in a third person? I, Bruce Hurst gave me my nickname in 86 when I struck out 20 for the first time. And another one that anybody can do once, right? Yep, you have one time. You did it twice. Yeah. One time's pretty easy. Yeah. And then it'll be the show. Yeah, no problem. They said, I'm, I don't know about that, but they say I'm pretty nasty on there. Yeah. That's a fact. Mr. Splitty still making appearance? It is a little bit. Yeah. So, I mean. So, you tell the story. He gave you a nickname and then you had it. Yeah, my, my bad, jumping around. So, Hurst, so I punch out 20, Hurst, he gives me, Bruce Hurst, left-handed pitcher on our staff, gives me the nickname, the Rocket. And he looked at me, he goes, I don't think you understand. Your life just changed tonight and ours did too.

• 1:28:08Speaker 05

  He said, you know, in Boston here, pitching was kind of a second-class citizen till you came along. So. But yeah, I got, I answer to the, the kids now. They yell it out here. If they yell my name, I hardly turn around. When they yell Rocket, I turn around. You introduced yourself as Rocket, which is awesome. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, you guys know, I mean, I'm preaching to the choir here. But would you, would you ever be on? Yeah. Cher, you know, come on. Yeah. Madonna. Yeah. Would you ever be on the mound being like, all right, Rocket, let's go. Come on. Like, like dig deep here, Rocket. I don't know if I've ever really got, you know, I locked in on myself out there mentally. Mentally, I was like, I might've said, you know, you suck a few times to myself, but I don't think ever, it's come on Rocket. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you say you sucked yourself, that's Roger. Yeah. But if it's Rocket, like, come on, Rocket's not fucking around. Say that then, I guess.

• 1:28:53Speaker 05

  You also hit a homerun in, in the majors. What was that like? Uh, I'm not sure where you went on the internet.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  But I get ridiculed for never hitting a homerun.

• 1:29:02Speaker 05

  You never hit a homerun? I, I read that, I read you had one homerun.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, wait a minute. So I gotta tell you the close ones at least. And Shea Stadium, right center field. Hit it good. I, I got it lower fence. Almost missed first base because I was eyeballing it. Had to hustle back to first. So I got a long single. And then Colorado, of course.

• 1:29:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  You know, they got the wall that goes up high. If I'd have hit it frigging one foot to the left, I'd have had one. But I got a double out of that one. And of course, all the guys are cheering me up because here I am like 44 years old and I made contact. And so they're cheering me up. And I'm giving it back to them. And then all of a sudden, I realize it's got, I can't breathe, man. I'm trying to, I'm, I'm bent over. I'm saying, please, I know the camera's on me and I can't frigging breathe. But, uh, there are some good stats, hitting stats out there though. There, there really are. I mean, I, I got the highest batting, Ted Williams at Fenway Park.

• 1:29:53Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:54Speaker 01

  I got the highest batting average, Fenway, not Ted. I, I'm one for one. I'm batting a thousand.

• 1:29:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:29:58Speaker 01

  Our DH ran his head into the green monster and had to come out of the game. So the pitcher had to hit. So that was me.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  And then another good trivia my buddy brought up was, I gotta, I gotta bang my chest a little bit, boys, because I got my, the boys are gonna be, all my boys are gonna be watching this. And anytime I talk to my boys about hitting, they look at me and go, hey, pops, stay in your lane. The only thing you know about hitting, you're a good bunter.

• 1:30:21Speaker 05

  That counts for something.

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:23Speaker 05

  Hey. Part of the game. Small ball.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  I love this.

• 1:30:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  I'm gonna stay here long. You guys, I might have to make a comeback.

• 1:30:30Speaker 05

  I got, I got a stat for you since we're, we're gonna, we're gonna do some good stats. Uh, did you know that in the 2005 season, I think that was your last Cy Young year, right?

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Pretty close.

• 1:30:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, 2005 season, you never finished a game with an ER, ERA higher than 1.89.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  Man.

• 1:30:45Speaker 05

  That's pretty insane.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  Okay, do you want to be my agent?

• 1:30:48Speaker 05

  So, but tell me about that.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  When we come back, I want you to, you're going in the room to negotiate.

• 1:30:53Speaker 05

  I'll get the binder ready. But fuck Scott Boris, we got this for you. So, but in that season, are you like, did you just feel it all season? We were like, I'm in the zone. And I just know, was it partially that you'd just seen the game for so long, you knew what to do?

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  No, I was with the Astros, National League.

• 1:31:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. Want to jam on my teammates, but pretty much if I gave up one, I'm getting a no decision.

• 1:31:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, we had some, we had some, we had some good hitters and I'd tease them. We had some guys that were allergic to leather too. They had a hard time catching the ball.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  That's true. That helps ERA.

• 1:31:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:31:24Speaker 02

  You, you played on some amazing teams too. Some of the, some of the best teams. What, is there one that you still think back like? That was probably the best team that I've ever seen.

• 1:31:33Speaker 05

  Well, the political answer would be when they asked me about teams I played on, I'd tell them Longhorns, Texas, you know? Playing at Texas was awesome. I kind of, you know, you learned how to win there. We didn't rebuild, we reloaded at Texas. Kind of like what the Dodgers are doing.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Was Augie Garrido, was he the?

• 1:31:47Speaker 05

  He coached my sons. He's the winningest coach. I played for the winningest coach, Cliff Gustafson at that time.

• 1:31:52Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 1:31:52Speaker 05

  Lost to Miami and when I was a sophomore, came back my junior, I beat Alabama. Then I get drafted by Boston.

• 1:32:00Speaker 05

  Probably one of the better teams, I'm trying to think, it comes up a lot with my boys. They said probably the best game that I've ever pitched was, and I think Bob Costas was calling it because when I did some work last week for NBC, Sunday Night Baseball, Costas brought it up. The game I pitched in Seattle against a Mariners team, I think won 114 games, something like it, crazy. So they were pretty solid and they were rolling pretty good. So I pitched one of my best playoff games ever against those cats. And, but yeah, I mean, it was, I mean, there's, you know, I, I, I feel real blessed and fortunate, man. So I, I played 24 years. So I faced guys like, I mean, I hope you guys remember some of them, Dom Baylor,

• 1:32:42Speaker 05

  Kingman, Luzinski, Fisk, George Brett, Cal Ripken. I mean, I faced Ripken so many times. He's got eight different batting stances. And, and I, I, there's nothing I can throw, one out man on third and I'm trying to get him to punch out or hit a ground ball. Next thing you know, he spreads out. And so you're paying attention to detail and my catcher, same thing I asked them to do. Pay attention to detail when guys make a little adjustment. And then go all the way through to guys like Pooh Holz and, you know, all these other dudes I put, I end up facing at the tail end of my career. So it was, it was pretty cool to face. My favorite to face, I wanted to make it to the big leagues, face Reggie Jackson.

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:19Speaker 05

  And, you know, Reggie was my guy and I, I got to face him. I didn't even want to make eye contact with him when he came to play. Half shell helmet and, and glass. He had a handkerchief in his back pocket. And I'm telling you, I was sitting at about like 90, my arm was a little underwater. I was sitting at about 93, 94. Reggie steps in, now batting number 44, Reggie's 98, 98, punch out 98. And at one point Reggie pulled out his handkerchief. I threw that crap by him, ripped his glasses off and he starts cleaning. I said, hey, he can't see my, he can't see my chip. And so, but I tell the story, Reggie knows the story, how fond I am of him and great player. And of course, my guys on the mound was, I watched Nolan Ryan being from Houston. I still, we still live five, six miles from my high school. So watching Nolan,

• 1:34:04Speaker 05

  you know, I snuck in the dome to watch him. No, you know, he's throwing 95, but in the Astro Dome, it sounds like 105. And then of course, I got the privilege to play with Tom Seaver. We traded for Tom Terrific, who I think is the ultimate power pitcher. I'm a power pitcher. I don't throw. And Seaver was the best at that.

• 1:34:21Speaker 00

  I like that. You don't throw.

• 1:34:22Speaker 05

  I don't throw, I pitch.

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  How fast do you think the, the new radar guns would have you at? Because they've changed.

• 1:34:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, they're two guns.

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  It's juiced.

• 1:34:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, back, back when I was getting it, I threw over 100 a bunch of times, but I never pitched at that speed because you make mistakes. And for the most part, guys, my, my youngest one, he, he loves that gas. And, and most, most, for the most part, the big league guys can, when I say put wood on a bullet, I mean, they're that good. Pitching's like buying property or house. Location, location, location. You gotta locate. Then you want your movement. Velocity's great, it's last. And these guys throw 100. I mean, that Miz kid in Milwaukee, good lord.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:56Speaker 05

  I mean, it's ridiculous. And you just hope some of their body can, you know, sustain that.

• 1:35:01Speaker 00

  Well, we're kind of losing the, the prototype that, that you were, the Haas. The, the guy who's like, he's a big guy, he's an intimidating guy, goes up on the mound, he throws eight innings, he's just, just gonna shove. It feels like, yeah, like Scoobles still that guy, but there's not a lot. Is there a certain guy that you love watching pitch now?

• 1:35:18Speaker 05

  Scherzer was that guy.

• 1:35:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, big time.

• 1:35:21Speaker 05

  If the pitching, if the pitching coach came out to the mound and, and the seventh that gets you, you got the ball tucked under your arm, saying, you know, what the hell are you doing out here? Get back in the dugout. But yeah, complete gains, I think, I don't know if this is gonna be a 300 game winner. You know, a lot, a lot of that holds true. I mean, but there, there, you know, there's some Bulldogs out there still that are trying to finish. But your mechanics are so important. You know, if you're a reliever, you can come out of the bullpen for 12, 15 pitches. And I tease them, some of our relievers, they're coming at you with elbows and knees. They look like a blender with the lid off of it. Coming, you know, I mean, they can, you know, sidearm here and there and do whatever they want, but they

• 1:35:55Speaker 01

  Have to do a short period of time. If I tried that, I would be on my way to see Doc Andrews to fix my elbow.

• 1:36:00Speaker 00

  What would you say if we're, so let's role play, we're, we're your managers and you're in the height of your career and we say, hey, listen, Rocket, we're going to try this new thing. We're going to have an opener for you.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. I said, unless he's opening a pop can for me, that's all he's.

• 1:36:15Speaker 00

  Okay. All right. I figured that. Yeah.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  No, but hey, wait, wait. As co-manager, let me just step in and explain it to you. The analytics say that if he throws for one inning, it's going to be better. We're going to, they're going to score less runs against us over the course of 100, 100 games that we might go out there for the course of the summer. And we appreciate everything you've done for the team, but you're more of a second through seventh inning guy for us.

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  You want me to respond?

• 1:36:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  And I'd say, listen, Mr. Propellerhead, in front of your, in front of your computer. When's the last time you had to punch out, you know, Reggie Jackson or, or Mike Trout or Pujols?

• 1:36:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  So, yeah, though, I mean, I get it. I still think, you know, I'm not, and again, it doesn't have to do with money, but I'll say it. I got a guy out there paying, I'm paying 22 million and in the sixth inning, I'm trying to get him through the lineup the third time.

• 1:37:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  I'm going out to have an eye on a heart test. I'm going to come out and see you. Now, if you tell me, I say, you got these next two dudes? And if you tell me, I think so, you're out. I'm going to the pen.

• 1:37:08Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:37:09Speaker 01

  I don't want to hear, I think so. But if you're looking at me, I'm looking, I know your heart and I'm looking at you in the eye and say, I got it, Skip.

• 1:37:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:15Speaker 01

  So, let's go.

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  Become like at the spreadsheet.

• 1:37:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. Are you smarter than a computer? Is that what you're saying?

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:37:22Speaker 00

  What's, what's, in terms of today's game, is there something that if you could fix? Or like how it goes? Maybe it's the opener. Maybe it's the fact that like you said, there's guys that are getting pulled in the fourth.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. I love the changes. I was pitch com before pitch com. I called about 90, 95% of my pitches from the mound with my looks. So that's why I tell you too, I had some very, I had some great catcher. I love my catchers over the 24 years I played because they had to pay attention to detail. You foul the ball off, you're fixing your batting gloves, getting the sign from third base coach. I'm putting my next pitch into play. And here we go instead of pressing, you know, a button or here, you know, and I, and I warn not only the AAA guys going to the big leagues, but. Some of the big leagues pitchers who, when they adopted pitch com, you know, you, you get on the mound and you hear fastball away. And alls you do is grab it and heave it. You're not, you're not, you don't have a purpose. You understand what I'm saying?

• 1:38:09Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  I, I, I know how, I know what I'm gonna throw you, your first two pitches. And by what you do or how you react, I know how I'm gonna try and get you out if I need a punch out, ground ball, whatever I might need. So, uh, there's, you know, there's a lot going on there with, and you're going with what stuff that you have. I mean, if my split's nasty, I might throw you, you know, I remember throwing George Brett in a big game, one, nothing, man on third, one out, and I threw him seven straight splits, I think, to get him out. And they were all cussing me from the dugout. And that was back in the day when they'd challenge somebody.

• 1:38:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't need a challenge. You're getting

• 1:38:40Speaker 05

  Throwing this joint.

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're getting Mr. Nasty.

• 1:38:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  That's, that's an awesome story. So you're, uh, when you would, when you call your own pitches, what, how many different signals would you have to go, like, rotate through the, over the course

• 1:38:50Speaker 01

  So, since I'm probably not, and I don't know, am I coming back? I mean, you guys are making me feel good about

• 1:38:54Speaker 05

  Well, yeah.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  I had an idea.

• 1:38:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, you are.

• 1:38:56Speaker 01

  What you get paid for four innings, but I'm gonna give you my pitches. So, I haven't done this in a while, but sometimes I catch the ball back and when I, it kinda just hitch my pants, like I'm trying to hitch my pants up, that was split. Nobody knew it, nobody knew it, but I

• 1:39:09Speaker 05

  That's crazy. No one ever figured it out.

• 1:39:10Speaker 01

  That's all I did. Now, we had a guy, I, I study pitchers a lot and I still do it with the guys now. They'll send me stuff, uh, uh, their video of their bullpens, and I'll tell them about their shoulder tilt and a few things that are hot. It's not, it's too complex. Some guys get too complex. But, we had a guy that I got, that when he threw his changeup, he would show his teeth to his catcher and we got him. And you don't tell him until, unless a guy gets traded and you go over there and say, "Hey, man,"

• 1:39:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  And they'll let you know, "We, we had your pitches." And I, "Jesus, why didn't you tell me?" He goes, "Well, you're, I'm gonna be facing you."

• 1:39:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, right.

• 1:39:39Speaker 01

  Other guys, that's why I tell the young kids, or college, or minor league guys, when I talk to them, when you throw your bullpen, practice perfect. Because when you get where the lights are the brightest and a little more pressure, no different you guys preparing for what you guys do. You're very good at what you do. The guy, this guy was going fastball, easy for him to get, right at his nose. But to get his hook, it took him a little longer, and he came up and covered his logo. We got you. It makes, it makes a, a, a 250 hitter, a 350 hitter in our game.

• 1:40:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  And it's just, it's your habits. That's why you see guys get flimsy gloves, they fan. Cause to go get their split or their change up, your hand goes into more. So we're watching you. And we're paying, we're paying, paying attention to what you're doing. I had to start wearing short sleeves even when it was cold because I was throwing some nasty splitters early in my career to this team. I was told the pitching coach, I said, man, keep an eye on me. See if I'm tipping. If I'm fanning my glove or whatever. And he goes, no, they couldn't figure it out. So I started watching my film. And on fastball, I was here. I was here, we had the long sleeve or whatever fastball was here. And my split, I had to get it like this. So you're seeing two more inches of skin.

• 1:40:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:45Speaker 01

  And guys were spitting on, like I was throwing nasty splitters, bottom zone where you'd be hacking like crazy. And they were spitting on them.

• 1:40:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, so this, this was.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  That was, that was that. My lips, that was curve ball, which I only threw.

• 1:40:56Speaker 02

  I missed, that's her, that's all it is. Kissing, yeah.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  And I threw in a hundred and twenty pitch game, I might throw eight hooks. Cause my slider, I had a tight slider and what they call a sweeper now. It's not a sweeper. It's just a slurp. It's a little bit tighter slider.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:10Speaker 01

  And then my, my two fastballs. But basically when I would get on the mound, nobody on or whatever. And I'm looking straight down Broadway. If I look straight down Broadway, you know it's curve or split because that's what I'm aiming in the middle. So if he goes split, I mean, if he goes, you know, for a split. And he knows I don't come, then he knows it's hooked. So he'll just do this. What also that helps doing is if you got, you're in the stretch and you do that, you got a guy on second. And, and the hitter calls timeout. It's because my catcher did this. He didn't give a sign. So now we knew that something was going on. They were trying to relay signs.

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  So that's how, that's how somebody gets hurt. That's real easy.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  That's crazy. Yeah. No, no idea about that.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. There's all kinds of stuff going. Well, you're having your popcorn and peanuts and talking trash.

• 1:41:50Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:41:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. We're getting it done.

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  That's the game of the game. Yeah. You're working hard. Yeah. Um, one of the, one of the best things I think you ever did was, uh, that episode of Simpsons. Loved Homer at the bat. Did you know that that was?

• 1:42:02Speaker 01

  You know, I sign, when I do little signings, I sign more Simpson lithos than I do of my bubble gum card.

• 1:42:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. And when they turned me into the chicken. Oh, that was fun. Well, I wanted to go out to LA to, to do that. In the studio and, uh, I didn't realize that Bart was a female, her voice.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:42:18Speaker 01

  And so I got to meet her. That was cool. And then, uh, yeah, they put me in a booth and.

• 1:42:22Speaker 05

  I had to do about eight variations of.

• 1:42:26Speaker 05

  Did you know when you were recording that it was gonna be, it was gonna be something you'd be asked about? No, no. No, it was good. It still wasn't as bad as the, the, the, the, the Fairley Brothers, you know, I was, I was supposed to be in Dumb and Dumber. And, uh, the team wouldn't let me go. I couldn't get away to go do it. It was only gonna film a day like in Reno or wherever they were filming, whatever. And my name in that was pretty cool. It was, uh, Seabass. Yeah, that's, yeah. And so I couldn't do it. So I got Cam Neely, Cam jumped in and he became Seabass. But the only problem was the lines were written for Texas twang. I'm gonna kill him some bitch, you know, stuff like that. But so he had to do it. And, uh, so it was funny seeing a Canadian, you know, who, who's the dead man hit me at the salt shaker?

• 1:43:08Speaker 05

  So, so the brothers, Peter and Bobby, they're like, wait, we're gonna get you. We want you in one of our movies. You're gonna, cause you're, you're gonna do this. I go, all right, man. So off season, November, they said, all right, we, we're doing this other one and you're gonna, we're gonna fly you into Reno. It's gonna take a couple hours, but we're gonna film from midnight to two in the morning, you and Woody Harrelson, blah, blah, blah. We're gonna do all this. I go, I ain't going anywhere, boys. Until you tell me what my nickname or whatever it is, what's my name in the movie? And they go, well, Rock, if you tell you, well, you ain't gonna come. I go, is it that bad? And they go, what is it? They go, you're Skid Mark. So I was Skid Mark in, in the movie Kingpin. If you watch Kingpin. I'm the shit kicking truck driver that comes into the bar and Randy Quaid's dancing with my girl. I got tattoos and earrings and. Yeah.

• 1:43:51Speaker 05

  So that was, that was, you know, that, that's, I couldn't, I couldn't use that name as one of my aliases. Yeah. You know, I could use Seabass. I was that. I was Wyatt Earp for a couple of years. Nobody could figure that out. I was Mr. Earp walking through the lobby.

• 1:44:05Speaker 05

  And then, uh, me and another teammate, the best one I had, it worked for about four years before anybody picked up on it. I was Justin Time. And he was Justin Case. So we rode. There we go. We rode with that for a few years. Yeah. Yeah. Do you, uh, do you have any good George Steinbrenner stories? The boss, like we, we've lost those type of figures kind of in sports. You know, I was lucky. I had him when he wasn't, you know, as gritty or. You're firing people every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got him, it went to 75s, you know? Yeah. But he did, he came to Houston twice to get me. And the second time he came and says, listen, I've been trying to get you for three years. You wanna be a damn Yankee or don't you? So, but the funny story was, you know, he's in his turtleneck, white turtleneck and blue blazer. And we're on the second level of my house and I've got.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  Little bitty weight room off there. It's got some leg equipment, a ham, one of them hamstring machines, and it's got a couple of machines, you know, uh, exercising machines you can get on. And out of nowhere, he sees my, he looks over and he sees my, my machine, and he goes, Rocket, I'm just gonna tell you, I, at my age, I still work out. He's take, start taking his jacket. I'm looking at my agents. I'm like, what's going on? And he takes his jacket, I'm lays it off, and goes over and it's, you know, it's the, it's the hamstring where you gotta lay down. Yeah. And, and I know there's seven or eight plates on there from the morning workout that we did. There's no way, he's gonna tear his hamstrings off the bone if he tries this. I don't know what his age was. And, uh, so we're looking, he goes, yeah, I still work

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  out. And he lays down and he grabbed those things. Now, the rest of the family and friends, they know he's in, he's, he's at the house. So I've got a pretty good thirteen, fourteen people down in the kitchen area, right below where he's getting ready to lift these weights. And he gets that thing up and it's heavy, so he can't get it but four or five inches up. And he lets it go and it hits, bam! And he goes over there, bam! And then, third one after third one hit, I got the wife and everybody else at the door in the game room upstairs. They think somebody fell down and had a heart attack. And they said one of the light fixtures had popped out of the, and he got up like nothing. He goes, yeah, I still love to work out. I'm like, this guy, he ain't- Is that when you signed? Were you like, I gotta completely Yankee? Right then, right then, right then.

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  Did you go back and forth over at it? Was, you added twenty-two extra dollars to it?

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think somebody put that in there. I don't, yeah, for, it was good luck, man. It worked out.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  It, it did end up working out. I think I read somewhere, you, were you a rice bucket guy?

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I started, I was digging at rice for my ligaments in my elbow. It's a good little drill, you know, it's, uh, that's a good little drill. There's some other ones for the guys. I show them to, you know, hopefully, I, I was lucky again for my elbow, twenty-four years. I was, I was lucky, man. These guys, some of these guys put some torque on their bones.

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was gonna say, like, was it, was it that type of workout or what, was it just luck? What do you think the reason was?

• 1:46:48Speaker 01

  That was one of my warmups. I got another one that I do a super seven drill with a bat, or I got this hammerhead that I do. I still do them now. So at my age, I can still throw a pretty good BP to the boys or guys, guys come over to the house in January to throw or hit.

• 1:47:01Speaker 02

  That was going to be my suggestion. It's like we could make a call to a GM, big cat or I could, or you could say like, I'll throw my son, home run derby balls. If you let him in the derby.

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  Well, I think, I think my number three son, Casey, and when in coach Cody with the Minnesota Twins, they're big fans. They said, cause when I told him I was coming to see you guys, they're like, dad, they're awesome. Do it. I go, I'm locked in, man. I'm gonna do the best I can. But, uh, you know, Casey'd be the one that, uh, uh, he's trying to get me to do a fun little thing. And if it is, I'm gonna get you guys in on it. Cause I'm gonna have a celebrity stand in. But his deal is, you know, he, uh, DeChambeau did that deal with the president breaking 50. We're gonna do one if, if a 64 year old can break 90. So I'm gonna start training. I think I can hit 80 right now. I don't know if I can get to 90 and not ruin my.

• 1:47:50Speaker 05

  You're coming back. This is all just you coming back. Oh yeah. I'm gonna do this new series.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  We're gonna have, I got a couple of guys that are, uh, I got a movie star friend that you guys will see and they're gonna stand in why I'm trying to do this.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  You get Kevin Millard in.

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  And, and if it gets away from him a little bit, we got ice. Cause I'm.

• 1:48:06Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, I don't, I'm, I do not want to do that. I don't want to stand in for you throwing as hard as you can.

• 1:48:12Speaker 02

  I'd like to opt out as well.

• 1:48:13Speaker 05

  I'll, I'll watch.

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  Everybody's leaving me.

• 1:48:16Speaker 02

  I've seen you pitch inside enough to know that I, I do not want that smoke. I will tell you.

• 1:48:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. It only stings for a minute.

• 1:48:23Speaker 05

  What, uh, so, so when you came back with the Yankees and you did the whole, uh, you know, Roger, he's in Georgia's box. Well, how did that come together? I mean, it's all time Susan Wald.

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  I see Susan a lot.

• 1:48:32Speaker 05

  Crying and she's.

• 1:48:35Speaker 01

  So, so yeah, so, um, 45 years old. This is 2007. I'm in my garage messing around. I watched the Yankees. I think they just got swept in Cleveland or something. And Deb comes out in the garage and says, uh, uh, Joe Torre and Cashman are on the phone. Want to talk to you. And I was like, what? She goes, that's them. I know. I, you know, I just got done visiting with them. So I get on there and skips, uh, you know, Joe's the best. He's like, Rocket, how you doing? We're chatting it up, chatting it up, chatting it up. And about 30 seconds in, Cash dries ever. How long will it take you to get ready? And I go, what? He goes, I need you in my fourth or fifth hole, but I need you in the locker room too. Get everybody on the same page. I go, Cash, I'm 45 now, I run, I walk jog three times a week at Memorial Park. This parked by the house at home in Houston.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  And I said, man, I, you know, I'm not going to go out there and embarrass myself, Cash. He goes, we're going to send a plane for you to go to Tampa. I said, you're not doing anything. Give me two weeks and I'll get after it hard for two weeks and I'll let you know. So I got after it, got my legs, my legs felt pretty good. My arm was feeling good. Split was starting to work. I was throwing some pins behind the scenes, nobody knowing. And I called Cash, he goes, all right, we're sending a plane for you. You got to go to Tampa for another two weeks. He goes, but we're going to send you to the stadium first. It's surprised because nobody knows this and even my closest friends on the team. I go, no, I'm not doing a dog and pony show. I'm, you sent, we're going straight to Tampa and you guys want me to work with a couple of pitchers there? I'll tell them, put the headset on, we'll start getting three miles in in that heat around the Tampa football stadium. We'll get after it.

• 1:50:05Speaker 01

  And he goes, nope, you got to come to, you got to come to Yankee Stadium first. I was like, good Lord. I had no idea what I was going to say, but yeah, they marched me out in George's box. And I'm like, okay, they can, when I got marched out, Susan and I, I didn't see it till later. Susan went, oh, my God. Of all the theatrics. I go, hey, yeah. I said, guys, hey, they came and got me out of Texas and I'll be talking to y'all soon or something. I said something like that. It was awesome. And then the car was still running in the players parking lot. Got in the car, plane. I was in Tampa working out later that day and we got to the playoffs. It was good. It was a good deal.

• 1:50:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's something really interesting there, which is, and it's something I'd never thought about, uh, given your career that they needed you in the locker, in the clubhouse to straighten everything out. I can see that just by talking to you, like you are, you would probably be a great teammate to have. That would also kind of like demand accountability out of everybody. What was it about, like, how would you go into a situation like that? And if things looked like they were a little too lax or in disarray, like how, how would you be the force that would turn that around?

• 1:51:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, we, we policed each other really well and, you know, and guys took it, they didn't take it personal. But, you know, when I, when I got to the Yankees, they found out real quick and DJ and I, who I was battling against all the time. Derek, uh, you know, you're cut from the same cloth as they say, you know, you, you want to. You want to win? I mean, coming out of, coming out of Texas and then getting to the World Series, you know, losing against the Mets. You're talking about an emotional World Series in 86. We're down to one strike against California Angels going home. Hit a couple of big homers. Next thing you know, we're in the World Series and we're one strike away from winning the World Series there. So super emotional, but I always said, you know, uh, you know, where I came from, my background, you got to know the guy's background. I was telling some guys out here. My pops passed away when I was nine.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  And so I was raised by my mother, my grandmother's two strong-willed ladies. My mom worked three jobs in Houston. So I could have a badass pair of cleats and a glove. So when I hear people say, oh, you million dollars or you silver spooned athletes, I said, hold up a damn minute. Pisses me off because my mom sat in high school with her hands in her head with her electricity getting turned off three times. So, I mean, it gets real, you know what I'm saying? So when I took advantage of my first two years of pro ball, I wanted to make some money because I wanted to buy, you know, pay her town home off and get her a new car. And then after that, it was back to winning championships again, and that's all you focus on. And, uh, but I was lucky. Again, my career that I had was wonderful. Being in the locker room with the Yankees, I played with two of the most restored teams

• 1:52:30Speaker 01

  in, in ballparks. I mean, Fenway Park and Old Yankee Stadium. Old Yankee Stadium, we had ghosts running around that place, man. The comeback wins we had. New Yankee Stadium's cool. It's like going to a mall and there's a frigging baseball field there.

• 1:52:42Speaker 01

  But it's not, it's not. Way to sell it. Yeah. Yeah, it ain't Old Yankee Stadium. Yeah, no, that, that is true. Um, what happened with the Piazza bat? Did you just blackout? No, if you watch the replay, I had impeccable fielding for him, man. The bat broke. I mean, what's the, what's the luck of the bat taking two bounces and it came perfectly in my lap? Right to you. You're talking about PFP. I mean, it was like fielding practice. And then I took, I had no idea it was running. The guy's like, oh, you threw it. I go, guys, he was 15 feet. If I wanted to hit him, I'd throw it through him. And I said, I just winged it crap on the on deck circle and he was jogging. He said he didn't know. Broke the bat in four pieces. And the reason I said it was the ball, because immediately I thought it was a line drive at me. That's why it broke down.

• 1:53:24Speaker 01

  But it was the head, the bat broke in four pieces, shattered that crap in four pieces. But P I, Mike was like the same thing as Reggie. I mean, I think I was sitting in about 94.

• 1:53:35Speaker 05

  He got in the box and I was whistling 98 on his thumbs. And that's what we had to do. This is still, it's like when they asked me in spring training when I was down for the Yankees, how I'd pitch Judge. And I said, are you kidding me? I said, uh, I was in the movie Ty Cobb, got to play Chrissy Madison. And one of the famous, uh, lines in there with, uh, uh, Tommy Lee Jones played Ty Cobb. He said, at one point, he said, my sister Florence could hit the ball to right field in Yankee Stadium. And so why would you pitch Judge over there or Piazza away? And we had, we were almost to get fined, but he said, we're gonna pitch him in and we're gonna pitch him further in and we're gonna pitch him in.

• 1:54:11Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:54:11Speaker 05

  And I said, I got no problem with that.

• 1:54:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:13Speaker 05

  Cause that's, I, I, he's hit every, I think he hit every breaking ball that I threw to him. That's how good a hitter he was.

• 1:54:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. I like to in further in and in.

• 1:54:20Speaker 05

  They're like, oh, you threw, I said, it was good TV. That's why I went to the umpire and say, give me another damn ball so we can get this at bat that everybody wants to see over with.

• 1:54:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:27Speaker 05

  Cause it was getting bigger than the, the World Series itself.

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. You, you said, I thought it was the ball.

• 1:54:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  And I think, deep down, tell me if I'm way off, you were a little bit upset that he had the audacity to break his bat and almost hit you with his bat. And you, you had to send it back to him.

• 1:54:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, no, I've just, I filtered it perfectly and whistled it on the on deck circle. I didn't want that crap out there, but, uh, yeah, no, it was, when I, when I first, like I tell people, they don't understand, when, when I let go of the ball, I'm 53 feet away from the hitter. And when that bat shattered, at first I, I thought I was getting a line drive. Of course, once the bat hit the ground bounce, I knew it was the bat and I chunked it, but they're like, oh, he's thought his ball, huh?

• 1:55:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. And what, what about that game, the, uh, the legendary game against the Red Sox? Uh, just everywhere, I, I know that you threw inside, was it, who was it against? Was that against, um, that might have been against Millar, right? Threw him a little.

• 1:55:19Speaker 05

  You're talking about the Pedro game where Pedro.

• 1:55:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, that was, uh, that was Manny and it was not inside at all. It was actually, if you look at the.

• 1:55:25Speaker 01

  Play it's a strike in the game today. You'd be doing this. You would be my catcher, you'd be challenging that for me.

• 1:55:32Speaker 02

  You went high and tight against Malar a couple of times, though. Gave him some chin music.

• 1:55:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I may have. I don't, I pitched 20, like I said, who knows? There were games that you had to clean up, that's the ugly part of it, and I hated doing it. Because sometimes it fell to the pitcher that was pitching before me and they didn't clean it up. But I know that that's my, that's half my family in there and respect. I mean, when I get a guy that comes sitting next to me on a bench, what they really don't do when I'm pitching. And finally, I know he's sitting there for a reason, they want to say something, I say, what's up? You got a problem with this guy? And he goes, yeah, I got a problem with this guy. He's got me three times. I said, well, I'll handle it, you're gonna get, you got the magic bullet, which in that game I did. And yes, Manny was gonna eat one. You know, but, and that's why he, and he, I'm pretty sure he knew he was gonna eat one. That's why he went out, he went, cried through it like a 95 mile an hour fastball, just up high.

• 1:56:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  Wasn't near him, and he went ballistic.

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:20Speaker 01

  And then we saw, then we saw, you know, Zim.

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  You know, he's a baseball, that's my guy. I mean, I had Zim in Boston and with the Yankees, I love him. Miss him, I think he, I don't think, he's another guy that didn't cash a check outside the game of baseball.

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:34Speaker 01

  And, but, uh, he got pissed off and ran out there and Pedro gave him the O.A. And I'm like, what is going on?

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  What's going on with that? That's what I loved about those games, though, is because I could sense that, and if every fan could sense, like, you guys didn't like each other. And that's what we like about.

• 1:56:48Speaker 01

  Well, both teams are competitive. You gotta understand, when I was with the, with the Red Sox in the mid 80s, late 80s. Yankees really weren't a rival for us. They, they kinda, I mean, they had Donnie Ballgame, and they, they weren't, they weren't, the team was the Blue Jays. Late 80s, and of course, they won World Series in 90s. And then, um, when I went to New York, when I got traded to New York and Red Sox changed ownership, it got competitive again. You know, it was great, because you're playing for one trophy then, you know what I'm saying? Money's, doesn't even matter, you're playing for the trophy. Now, it wasn't as crazy as the 70s, 75 guy sliding into second trying to.

• 1:57:21Speaker 05

  Blow your knee out, or who was it, Nettles or somebody fistling in the third or Hobson? And he pops up and it's a hockey match, but I laugh at that too. You know, you watch the sports highlights and it's hockey time and they're showing three fights, just good, just beating the crap out of it. And then they go to one of us and we have a little push half bra and it's like, oh. The whole bullpen comes out just to kind of chest out to each other. Hey, what's your number? I don't have your cell number. And meanwhile, 30 seconds later, they're showing hockey and guys just wearing each other. All right, where are we at with the Hall of Fame?

• 1:57:54Speaker 05

  Old news. Yeah. I mean, yeah, after year one, we quit paying attention to it because you have no control over it. So, you know, that's been the, you know, the most of it. Like I said, I didn't play to make the Hall of Fame. I played to change the dynamics of my family's life and win championships. I think it's a selfish thing anyway, because most of my teammates that made me who I am and all these awards I won, they'll never have the opportunity to get in there. So, but yeah, it's. Do you think though, it's a little, like, we're now gotten to a point and there's obviously, you know, the late 90s, early 2000s, baseball, you know, things happen and it's like, we got to a point though, where we've just kind of erased some of the most historic guys from the game when it comes to the Hall of Fame and you and Barry Bonds and like,

• 1:58:38Speaker 05

  some of these guys, like, how are we telling this, the history of baseball? Yeah, so their deals totally, their deals is totally separate. They haven't erased me from anything. I mean, they still have some of my stuff in Cooperstown. When somebody like my late great Toby Keith, you know, goes up there with his band, he always gets my stuff and he goes, Rock, you know, this stuff's here. And that stuff's on loan as far as I'm concerned, because I want my boys to have it one day. And it's on loan for the fans to go see. But again, the Hall is not going to change me one way or the other. Yeah. As a person, as a player, how I went about my work. And bottom line is, I proved my case, not once, but twice. We beat their ass. And, and we finally got in a setting where only facts matter. So I can't worry about what writers like your, don't like

• 1:59:22Speaker 05

  your, you know, being a.

• 1:59:25Speaker 01

  A beauty contest or something like that. So I had some, some guy didn't vote for Derek Jeter.

• 1:59:31Speaker 00

  I know, I know. It is, it is crazy that some of the writers.

• 1:59:34Speaker 01

  Either, and I don't think you have to wait 10 years. I think you're either, you, you're either Hall of Fame or you're not.

• 1:59:39Speaker 00

  It should be, it should be peers. It should be guys in the Hall of Fame voting for more guys in the Hall of Fame. Cause they know what it takes to be a Hall of Famer, not the writers. That's really what it should be. All that's, I'll, I'll say it's, it's bullshit. It is bullshit that you're not in it.

• 1:59:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I appreciate it. But like I said, it's, it's, you know, uh, I, I, you know, got a lot of people to thank, you know, which I do all the time when I, whether I do it through my foundation or I do it when I speak, I'm going to do like, uh, you know, I was fortunate to win a Thurman Munson Award and a couple of really cool awards. I'm going to go out and give that out. Uh, I'm going to do something else. I think it's really cool. That's, I, I hold dear to my heart. You guys are going to see it this summer. Uh, it's going to happen in a couple of months, what I'm going to do. So I have to, you guys have to pay attention to that. It's going to be really cool.

• 2:00:18Speaker 00

  That was a cliffhanger. Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

• 2:00:19Speaker 01

  It's going to be really cool. Uh, what, what I'm going to do. So I've been wanting to do it for a long time. I'm actually doing an appearance in, in the Northeast where this is going to take place.

• 2:00:28Speaker 00

  Okay. All right. Well, uh, we got one last question. Zach, come on up here. This has been awesome. Thank you so much, Rocket. You're always welcome on. Have you on back to talk some more bit ball? The funniest part of, of Rocket coming to this room, uh, Zach was standing kind of in front of him and Roger went up to Zach to shake his hand, stuck his hand out and, and Zach was, was so nervous that he was in the way. He turned around and ran away.

• 2:00:50Speaker 05

  I thought it was in the way he was trying to go to the corner.

• 2:00:52Speaker 00

  I'll say Zach, him, Roger Clemens walking in and saying, hey, I'm Rocket. It's an intimidating thing. It feels like he's throwing, you know, 99 at your head. Yeah. You're backing off the plate a little. All right. So the Roback question, R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. Go Zach.

• 2:01:12Speaker 01

  Let's go with that.

• 2:01:13Speaker 05

  Sir, I do have a quick question for you. Uh, 24 years in the MLB, uh, quite the career, a lot of accolades, a lot of contribution to the game. I was curious if there was like, uh, outside of like the world series and, and the awards, is there like a, is there a small moment that may have left a big impact on you as a player through your career?

• 2:01:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Great question. I mean, you know, it, it has to do with my, my mom and my grandmother, my family, you know, um, uh, and then having my four boys and showing them the, the best way. I love it that my, my boys all, you know, all played professionally, but, uh, the, the younger two graduated from a Combs Business School. Uh, my mom was a stickler on education too. And, uh, so.

• 2:01:52Speaker 05

  I think getting drafted, you know, realizing you're gonna get in high school and I tell the kids, it's a story, but it was me. So that's when I see these young kids out here. I was one of them. And, you know, I was the third best pitcher on my high school team. I threw strikes. I had a little Bugs Bunny curve and threw about 85 miles an hour. But the two 19 year old veterans threw hard and we get in the playoffs, they wet the bed and coach would bring me in at those strikes. And I was probably better first baseman, first baseman than I was pitcher and better defensive end. And but then all of a sudden, and I knew the only way I was gonna further my education or go to a major school like the University of Texas was by scholarship. And so because we, you know, we didn't, my mother,

• 2:02:37Speaker 05

  you know, she wanted me to keep going, but we didn't have the money. So all of a sudden, I go to San Jacinto and there there was a football lifting program and they didn't have a baseball program to do that. I matured, my body grew, I graduated, I took classes to graduate early at 17. So when I went to the Juco, did really well there and then I ended up at Texas. We lifted with the football players there too. I got strong, fastball started jumping and all then these guys, I'm like, wow, I got a chance to get drafted. So it's pretty cool going to almost. So that's kind of how everything set itself up for my path to continue forward. Now, I had bumps along the way. I mean, there was times where I didn't think I was gonna, you know, make it through, you know, Major League Baseball a few times too. But, you know, just to persevere and like I said,

• 2:03:20Speaker 05

  I go through three, when I talk to the guys, I go through three long answer here. I go through progressions. Physically, you're in charge of how you feel and your body and the core work. I mean, in between starts, I'm doing close to 600 ab work just because that's where I get that and long toss. That's where you continue to be able to have your fastball. The second part, the mental part of the game. Like the guys know, mentally, I'm gonna freaking crush you. I'm locked in. I'm trying to, you know, I've got my blinders on. I mean, I'm so detailed. I got the guy that mows the grass that our groundskeeper, mound's about 17 inches wide. He mows the grass right down Broadway his last trip. So I got, it's like being in a bowling alley. So now I got my gears and I can, you know, I know where I'm Going if I'm missing. So there's all kinds of detailed stuff going on. I could be here another

• 2:04:03Speaker 05

  hour with you guys telling you some of the crazy stuff. Last are emotions. I think about my mother being sick. She passed away in oh five at the World Series. I had to pitch that night. One of the hardest games I had to pitch. They wanted to send an airplane. My mom was in Austin. I was in Houston. They wanted to send an airplane for me. I said, no, I need two hours to drive to clear my mind. If I'm going to pitch and my mom would want me to pitch. And so my sisters were there when she took her last breath. So I think about things like that. When I'm lethargic on the mound, I'll think about my grandmother passing or being, I'll try and just pull stuff in her or I'll try and punch a guy out early in the game and get the crowd into it. And then that elevates my game a little bit. So there's nothing worse than going out. So like, you know, with the Red Sox, driving in from my house in Framingham, seeing all the different license plates from the different

• 2:04:46Speaker 05

  states coming to watch you pitch because they count it every fifth day. And then I go out there and lay an A, get knocked out of game in the third inning or something. There's not a, there's not a worse feeling. I'm just telling you. But so those, those are the, when you ask me that question, a lot of emotions come, you know, pass through my mind that the reason why I'm here, able to talk to you guys on your show.

• 2:05:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Sounded like in high school, you had an opener. The way you described it, you're like, the guy would come in and I would come in.

• 2:05:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. So if, if, if they looked a little nervous, I, I, I never really got nervous.

• 2:05:16Speaker 00

  You had an opener.

• 2:05:17Speaker 05

  But I didn't, you know, I hadn't, yeah.

• 2:05:19Speaker 00

  Nerds went young.

• 2:05:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Have you ever thought about how, how great your career would have been? You would have been the best setup man of all time.

• 2:05:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe. I mean, I, I played with, I played with one that was pretty good.

• 2:05:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:05:28Speaker 05

  Hey, if I had Mariano Raimo, I'd have five, 400 wins.

• 2:05:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:32Speaker 02

  Sure. No, we're, we're busting balls. Uh, you, I think maybe, maybe one of the best pitchers, maybe the best power pitcher of all time.

• 2:05:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:38Speaker 02

  Is that fair to say?

• 2:05:39Speaker 05

  I appreciate it.

• 2:05:39Speaker 02

  Would you consider yourself to be the best?

• 2:05:41Speaker 05

  Uh, I let other people do that talking, you know? I think when you guys see me like behind the scenes like now, I mean, you see me on the mound behind the glove. That's one thing. But another thing I do is you guys do, I'm going to actually be singing over here tonight.

• 2:05:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:53Speaker 05

  And I'll be kicking it off with, uh, like I said, one of my friends, he stayed with me while he was batting that damn C word, Toby Keith. And we're Yesterday was Toby's birthday, so I'll kick it off with a Toby song and uh but I DJ at night too. I do some DJing stuff.

• 2:06:09Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 2:06:10Speaker 05

  So I have to get you guys into music.

• 2:06:11Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:06:12Speaker 05

  I've got sixteen hundred songs and it's better than karaoke. It's a program where I can faintly put uh Bono or Madonna, Madonna, you know, whoever it is, Adele, once the and once the girls see that they're scared to come to the mic, once they realize I can pull your voice, the the the voice out and put her in the background, you sing over top of her.

• 2:06:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:06:32Speaker 05

  It's game on.

• 2:06:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, there you go.

• 2:06:34Speaker 05

  It's game on.

• 2:06:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, Rocket, thank you so much, man. I really appreciate it.

• 2:06:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, appreciate you guys having me. Thanks.

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• 2:08:02Speaker 05

  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is our good friend Shane Bacon. We're talking the Open Championship. You can see Shane, uh, updates all week, uh, in the CBS studio. He also has some interviews coming out with Wyndham Clark and Charles Barkley, two recurring guests to this show. Shane, it is time for the fourth major, uh, not as a, you know, like, hey, it's the fourth major, but it actually is the fourth major in the calendar year. So tell us everything. I, I honestly, this is one, the, this is my least favorite major just because of the time zones, but the Open Championship, Royal Burke Dale. What, what the hell is going on with Royal Burke Dale? Give us the whole course, you know, download.

• 2:08:45Speaker 00

  Big Cat, this can be your quickest flip ever. It's going to go from your least favorite major to your favorite major because of one thing and one thing only. I follow you on all your social accounts as, you know, friends do. I'm assuming all your other friends do it as well. I know you're a big donut guy with the kiddos.

• 2:09:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:09:02Speaker 00

  Uh, Burke Dale, the host this week, has a donut bunker on the seventh hole. That's what they call it. There's a bunker. I think I sent it to Max, um, that he can show you as well at some point, but there, there is in fact a bunker they call the donut bunker. It's got like a little grass, central area, like the donut hole. So I'm again, now, now you're an open guy. Now you're a Burke Dale guy.

• 2:09:25Speaker 05

  I would try to hit it there and I would miss, but that would probably mean I made a good shot because I'd missed the bunker. But okay. So I'm a Burke Dale guy. How, what is the, this course in terms of links golf? Is it, uh, you know, towards the more difficult with like, what, what is this course layout going to be like?

• 2:09:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. So 11th time Burke Dale's hosting the open for the 11th time. It's kind of got like hitters only that have won here. A guy named Peter Thompson, who won five opens, won his first and his last at Burke Dale Arnold.

• 2:09:54Speaker 05

  Palmer, ever heard of him? He won here. Trevino won, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Ian Baker Finch, who I know you guys have heard on the broadcast for a long time. He won here. Marco Mira in 98, won here when he was like palling up a tiger and then got good. Won two majors that year, Padraig Harrington and Jordan Spieth. So that's the list of winners here. A lot of big names, obviously. It's an interesting links golf course. Like, there's, there's not as much wind factor. There's not as much undulation in the fairways. It's a pretty flat golf course, all things considered for a links style golf course. Right now, extremely dry in the area. Expected to be the case all week. Very firm. But they've got these massive dunes. You know, you remember Jordan

• 2:10:36Speaker 05

  Spieth back in 2017 when he hit it like literally 100 yards right on the 13th hole?

• 2:10:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:10:42Speaker 05

  And he had to get the drop by the driving range trucks and all that stuff. He hit it on one of those dunes. These dunes are huge. And if you hit it out of play or out of position, you could find yourself in a really sketchy position. But if you find the fairways, this is a little bit more accuracy and hit it straight than it is overpower the golf course. And the greens in terms of a links golf course are about the flattest you will ever see in terms of a major championship. It's like, you get on these greens, you feel like you could make kind of any putt of any distance.

• 2:11:10Speaker 02

  So it's scoring. We're gonna score this weekend.

• 2:11:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, not, not a lot of wind in the forecast golf course. The balls are gonna run forever. Like, I think you're gonna see some pretty low scoring.

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  Okay, so in looking at this course, it's got the donut bunker. I see that. What else? Is there like one particular hole that this is, it's got like a burn or like the lead? What's the history behind this course that we should, we should know?

• 2:11:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, one of the kind of the really cool things about this golf course, I guess, if you're watching is the par fives come late. You don't get a par five till the 14th and then you get 14 and 17. So, you know, you think about going out and playing golf and you're, you know, us three are collectively five or six over through a couple holes. You're kind of looking on the scorecard for a par five.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:53Speaker 05

  Not the case at Burke Dale. It is like your favorite player's favorite links course. I mean, guys have talked so much about this. Rory called it one of the best ever. The players this week, you'll hear glowingly talk about it, like high reviews on the golf course. Cause again, it's penal, it's got a boatload

• 2:12:10Speaker 00

  Bunkers, I think there's 108 bunkers on the golf course. None are deep of the greens. They're all kind of in that front portion surrounding like the entryways, if you will, to the greens, not a lot over these greens. But if you place the ball in the right spot, you can get around this place. So again, you know, you think back to 2017, Brendan Gray shoots 62 there. I believe that was the first 62 we ever seen in a major championship. It is a place where you could rip it up if you hit, let's say, 11, 12 fairways over the course of a day and the winds are expected to stay like the forecast says, like 10, 11, 12 miles per hour, the first three rounds.

• 2:12:46Speaker 02

  I want to get in some names that you think have a chance this weekend, but before we do that, there's one name that will not have a chance this weekend. I can't believe we missed this story. Maybe you can tell us more about what happened. Sergio, Sergio Garcia will not be playing in the Open Championship. He missed qualifying and he missed because he ate lasagna? Is that what happened?

• 2:13:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, you had a, had a mid-round lasagna. I mean, if we were gonna do Mount Rushmore of foods not to eat in the middle of a 36-hole day, in the middle of a summer, I feel like lasagna is high. Max is picking that second or third, you know?

• 2:13:20Speaker 05

  That's a good Mount Rushmore. We might have to do that.

• 2:13:21Speaker 02

  We might have to do that, but yeah, that's, that's terrible decision-making on Sergio's part. Like a full plate of lasagna after the first 18 holes before the, the second 18 holes. And he, did he have to poop or what? He just got sick?

• 2:13:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, just, just, just, just didn't sit well, didn't play well. Hey, like, let me ask you guys a question because you guys talk a lot about food. I'll start with Big Cat here. In terms of eating, when it's really hot, is there food off the table for you? Like, is there something, if it's 105 or you're in Phoenix in the middle of the summer, that you're like, I don't really feel like I'm gonna eat that? Are you kind of game for all foods, all temps?

• 2:13:57Speaker 05

  No, I mean, that, that would be a question for like a European who doesn't have air conditioning because I'll eat any food. Like you, you give me a chicken pot pie in the middle of July. Guess what? I'm eating it because in my house it's 62 degrees. So I'm eating the chicken pot pie.

• 2:14:10Speaker 00

  It's the best thing we do.

• 2:14:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, a chicken pot pie with, with a hoodie on. Uh, no, but I do, I, there are definitely some comfort foods. Like I'm a big believer. I love chili, love, love, love chili. I'm a big believer that I don't do chili in the middle of the summer. I, there's like a specific time where chili season begins and I try to respect that. So yeah, I, I think there's definitely some summer foods that you wouldn't touch. Lasagna is on the top of the list.

• 2:14:33Speaker 02

  I think lasagna would be up there. Now, on the other side, if it's winter time, I actually enjoy like a nice iced coffee in the winter time. I like lean into the season. I don't, I don't need to get hot. But yeah, in the summer, I'll try to steer away from if it's like, you know, hot coffee, hot chocolate, or most soups, you can go with a gazpacho, serve chilled if you want. But yeah, soup overall, it, it, you know, it, it wanes a little bit in the summertime.

• 2:14:57Speaker 00

  I, I, I do think, hey, by the way, Max, what did we have, uh, at our wedding? What was our food? Is Max there? Can you talk about it?

• 2:15:03Speaker 03

  I'm here. Uh, we did buffet style.

• 2:15:05Speaker 00

  What were we serving?

• 2:15:06Speaker 03

  We did buffet style. There was a couple salads and then we got to the meats. There was mahi, mahi, chicken and ribs, flank steak. Uh, it was a good spread. Hank can attest.

• 2:15:17Speaker 02

  Great mahi.

• 2:15:17Speaker 05

  Did you eat any of the salad, Max?

• 2:15:19Speaker 03

  Uh, I did a tomato mozzarella salad.

• 2:15:21Speaker 05

  Oh, nice. Okay.

• 2:15:22Speaker 03

  So no.

• 2:15:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's not, that's not.

• 2:15:24Speaker 03

  Cheese and tomato.

• 2:15:25Speaker 05

  Wait, wait, so wait, back up.

• 2:15:27Speaker 02

  You had a deconstructed pizza.

• 2:15:29Speaker 05

  I gotta, I gotta quit. Wait, so Sergio, like, he's not still sick. He just didn't qualify. Is that what happened?

• 2:15:34Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 2:15:35Speaker 05

  Okay, alright. I thought maybe he was like, the lasagna was so bad, I'm, I'm not playing in six days.

• 2:15:41Speaker 00

  No, it's, it's not, not like COVID lasagna. Like, he's, we are, we are past it. Yeah, we have passed that.

• 2:15:46Speaker 05

  Got it. So he just had a bad round and then just blamed the food.

• 2:15:49Speaker 02

  Bad, bad preparation.

• 2:15:52Speaker 00

  I, I, I believe, and I'd have to double check on this. I believe he played well in the morning and then had lasagna. So it was actually like, you, you know, you, you went out there and kind of did your job in the morning and then leaned into the lasagna.

• 2:16:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:16:05Speaker 00

  Um, for your, for your, for your lunchtime, which is, again, it's so weird. These golfers, I feel like are obsessed with, with eating these days in terms of like, clean eating and you get, you know, we, I cover the Corn Fairy Tour, like, all those KFT guys are obsessed with their diet.

• 2:16:19Speaker 05

  And the fact that a guy that's been out on tour for what 25 years, 30 years is just palming a lasagna mid-round.

• 2:16:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, almost self-sabotage. Like when I first saw it, I was like, oh, well, there's Sergio making more excuses. But then I read more about what the excuse was. I was like, okay, that actually sounds valid. Like, there's no chance that you can put together a good round after a full, full lunch of lasagna.

• 2:16:39Speaker 05

  I got a question for you, Shane. Stupid question, but I've, I've never played over in Europe. I've never played links golf. What makes it more difficult? What makes it, what is like a defining quality? Are you hitting different shots or, or shots going different distances? Like, give me the links golf 101.

• 2:16:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, one thing a lot of people don't tell you about is at the turn, they force lasagna down your throat. So it's like, you know, they don't do that in America. But then, you know, in Europe, they're, they're really heavy on that. I mean, it's like, it's a lot of unpredictable golf. I mean, it is, you know, like, I was thinking about major championships. And you know, I was thinking about the four majors in men's golf and like what they are, right? The Masters and not to bring up Max again, but the Masters is kind of the wedding. If you're an adult, right? It's beautiful. It's planned out. Everybody looks pretty. I'm sure Max looks hot. I'm sure Hank at a test looked great at his wedding. US Open is kind of like, like childbirth, right? I mean, you have your first kid. There's a lot of stress. It can be taxing, exhausting, not necessarily for us. But you're kind of happy it's over. You just kind of want to get through it. And there are times where

• 2:17:44Speaker 05

  you do it once, you go, I don't necessarily want to do it again. I think the PGA is, is like that fifth wedding in the busy wedding season, where you don't necessarily want to go. But when you go, you might have fun. You might have a lot of fun. Maybe you meet somebody. You stay an extra day. Like, it can be fun. I just don't think you're necessarily that excited. The opens like the anniversary honeymoon of all this stuff. Like, you're going to an exotic land. You're playing a different style of golf. You've got to hit different style shots, keep it on the ground. You know, Todd Hamilton famously won an open championship and was hitting his hybrid as like the bump and run club, you know, the entire week. I mean, beat Ernie Els in a playoff doing it. You can hit different shots.

• 2:18:26Speaker 05

  But I think the idea of throwing out your quote unquote stock number is a big. Thing that the modern pro battles with because when they play American style golf, your wedge goes 151, right? Or 146. And when you get to Scotland, yeah, it might fly a certain number, but it might bound forward 30 feet. You know, the wind might be howling. You know, drives might go 430 yards if it's as firm as it's expected to be this week. There's just a lot of unpredictability. And then with the pot bunkers and the bunkering at these golf courses, the more the ball rolls, the more opportunity there is for it to go into a bunker. And the difference in American golf and in link style golf is bunkers are true penalties. The sand's a little thicker, harder to spin out of. And also you get lifts where you have to hit it

• 2:19:10Speaker 05

  backwards. Like Johnson Wagner, who we do the CBS show was talking about playing at Muirfield in open one time, having to hit putter out of a bunker twice. Like he had it once and it went a little far. He had hit it again, and then he could hit a wedge out. So just some of that stuff. Like, I think it's just more unpredictable. Guys are kind of kept on their toes a little bit more.

• 2:19:28Speaker 02

  That's fun. I like it. Yeah. It does seem, it's always fun to watch because it looks noticeably different from any style of golf that we have in America. And I was looking at the Scottish Open. I watched some of that this weekend. And I think we've asked you this before. Is there a curse? You don't want to win the Scottish Open because then you don't win the Open Championship the next week?

• 2:19:47Speaker 05

  No, well, the schedule's changed over time. Like, it's not always back to back. Like, it hasn't always historically been like the exact tournament right after it. But no, I don't think guys, like the par three contest, I don't think there's a big fear of, I don't want to play well here. I mean, Goddard up last year, win the Scottish Open and nearly won the Open Championship the next week. So, I mean, again, I think in the modern game, you're just trying to take home any trophy you can. And the fact that the Scottish is elevated, I think helps that.

• 2:20:11Speaker 02

  So can we look at what happened this week? At the, it's the Genesis Scottish Open. So Tom Kim won, right? And then Min Rui Lee came second, Robert McIntyre, Bobby Mack came in third. Can we look at the results for that? And did we learn anything about what might happen this upcoming week?

• 2:20:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I've kind of got my five story lines for the week. If you want me to hit you with those and I, and with those, I think there's some of that in here. So it's been a bit of a strange men's major year. Is my first thing and the question is, will that continue? You know, you think about Rory winning at Augusta. I think the story, you know, a little bit more muted after obviously what happened last year. He didn't play excellent golf that week as well. Obviously here in Rye, a bit out of nowhere wins at Iran, making kind of runs away with it late. Wyndham Clark, much of the same at the US Open. I just feel like the winners have been a bit random and also it hasn't been necessarily the most exciting golf at the end on a Sunday. You know, when most people are tuned in, I was going through the 2000s major championship seasons, thinking about what was the weakest?

• 2:21:12Speaker 05

  Because we've been on this incredible run as of late. 03 wasn't great. Weir, Furyk, Sean McKeel, Ben Curtis. 09 was Anel Cabrera, Glover, Wei Yang, Stuart Sink. And then you had 2016 was Willett, Dustin Johnson, Jimmy Walker and Henrik Stenson. I mean, there have been seasons, there are going to be major seasons that are not the most exciting. That can obviously change if you get some Scotty, Bryson, Jon Rahm duel this week at the Open Championship. But the question is, will that be just four random strange events? Or will we have something that makes a little bit more sense and kind of keeps the tradition going at Burke Dale with, with the awesomeness of their past champions? Also, something that I didn't realize is, and this is my next thing, can the run of first time open winners continue?

• 2:21:57Speaker 05

  We're on a run of 12 straight winners that have won the open their first time and, and only time to this point. Going back to Phil in 2013. So you think about like a Tommy Fleetwood, a Jon Rahm, a Matt Fitzpatrick. All those guys kind of fit that mold in terms of somebody that haven't won an open, but could continue the run that we've been on. Where the open winner has not won an open before. Um, did you guys know that Bryson is on the miscut slam? Did you guys, are you guys aware of this? He stinks at golf.

• 2:22:27Speaker 02

  I did see that punny hit the other day.

• 2:22:29Speaker 05

  Oh, on Liv?

• 2:22:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no. It was YouTube. Yeah.

• 2:22:31Speaker 05

  No, I think it was Liv.

• 2:22:32Speaker 02

  It might've been Liv. The camera setup was identical.

• 2:22:35Speaker 05

  It was maybe, was it cosanctioned? I heard you guys talking about that. Yeah, we got a little confused. I think we all were confused. I don't think anybody knows the true answer.

• 2:22:44Speaker 02

  He was excited. He seemed to be having a fun time out there.

• 2:22:46Speaker 05

  But what's up with him? Like what, what's going on? Is he just, is he, is he just cooked? Is he a YouTube golfer now? I don't think he's cooked. I just don't think he's playing like the high level of golf that we saw a couple of years ago in the majors. I mean, the iron play continues, big cat. To be an issue for this guy and yet he won't make any change. I mean, I, I've, I've talked a lot about this this year. He uses these single linked irons. You guys know that, right? They're all the same length. And when pro golfers try out stuff and it works, people follow and do the same thing. I mean, if you're using a putter that works, people are going to go pick up that putter like Wyndham Clark right now is using that ping putter, right? That apparently the torch rod got flooded by guys coming in asking for a level of model of that to go try out.

• 2:23:31Speaker 05

  If there's a, a seven wood or a nine wood, something like that that works, pros use it. Nobody's using single linked irons except Bryson. He's been doing it for, I don't know, 15 years. I just think he's got to get away from that and at least try something different with the irons because the iron play to your point, big cat is just not good enough right now to win major championships. And I mean, now he's not winning them. He's, he's not even making it to Saturday. Yeah. How many, how many strokes would Marty Fish have to give Bryson right now?

• 2:23:58Speaker 05

  Man, I mean, that sounds like you just created his next YouTube video. I mean, I would say it, it's, I'd say I'd still like Bryson there. I don't know.

• 2:24:06Speaker 02

  Marty can play.

• 2:24:06Speaker 05

  Did Marty win? Yeah, he won. Did Marty win the Tahoe? He won by like eight, eight points.

• 2:24:11Speaker 02

  I think we're close to a dynasty here. That's three in six years.

• 2:24:13Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'm telling you, these guys with the hip, the, the, all the athletes with the quick hips. It's like kickers, quarterbacks, tennis players, hockey. These guys are all such freaking good golfers. It's so annoying. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, are we at four?

• 2:24:29Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, I think so. Yeah. Is that some right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, Bryson. Yeah. Bryson's going in for the slam for missed cuts. For the missed cut, for the missed cut slam, which we will. If he misses the cut, if he misses the cut at the open, he has, he's missed all four this year. And I want Bryson to know this right now because I know he listens to every episode. If that does in fact happen, we will create a banner for him and raise it in our office.

• 2:24:48Speaker 02

  Love a parade, Bryson.

• 2:24:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, we will. Has he, has he been on the podcast? No, no. I.

• 2:24:56Speaker 02

  Would, would he, would he be on?

• 2:24:57Speaker 05

  I think we missed the window. I think the window when he had, still had a PR person. Um, he could have maybe done it. Now that he no longer has a PR person and went back to being just so hateable. Uh, I think he'd struggle on the podcast. Yeah. Two, he was when his window was two and a half years ago. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It was like a perfect window. Yeah. Yeah. It was like right after he won at Pinehurst. Yep. Um, this is now, I'll say this, the year of the comeback, 2026, this is the year of the comeback in professional golf, Anthony Kim, Gary Woodwin. Even in terms of golf, like Wyndham Clark, Hovland, Tom Kim, Morikawa to start the year. I think Justin Rose would fit that mold well this week at this Open Championship.

• 2:25:36Speaker 05

  You go back to the first Open he played in 1998, he was an amateur, hold out on the last, had this great finish. Everybody was excited about Justin Rose. He's been close, obviously, at the Masters the last couple of years. Didn't play great at Burke Dale in 2017, but has played well at the Open, looking for his first Open Championship. I think he kind of fits the, the year of the comeback storyline, if you will, in professional golf. And my last one, since I think this is five, maybe six, who knows, I can't count, is which guy saves his season? There are a lot of dudes this year that we talk about in golf a lot that haven't even won. I mean, you think about Xander, you think about Ludwig, Fleetwood, Justin Thomas. I mean, there are so many big names that haven't won a single event this season.

• 2:26:19Speaker 05

  And I feel like the FedEx Cup playoffs obviously offer players an opportunity to have something good happen at the end of the year. But this is your last, you know, real crack at like a monumental victory. And so it'll be interesting to see if one of those guys that haven't won anything finally get a win this year. Can we throw Scottie in there? Because I know he's won this year, but like, it does feel like a lost year in Scottie's. You know, this would be his prime right now. And if he goes 0-4 in the majors and 0-4 in kind of like some of these big events, like it would be, it would feel like it was a disappointing year. Again, this is all context because he, there's probably what? 130 guys that would trade years for what Scottie's done this year? I think a big week, you know, for Scottie and Jon Rahm.

• 2:27:02Speaker 05

  I mean, I think about two dudes that I'm really paying attention to this week at Burke Dale. Scottie, to your point, big cat. I mean, you know, he runs through the majors last year, wins two he hadn't won before. Everybody's looking at Schenochuk this year, got to complete the career grand slam. It just, the floor has lowered for Scottie. His floor was so high for so long that even when he played mediocre golf, he'd hang around. I mean, I think about the PGA Championship last year, even on Sunday, he played pretty poor on that front nine. Makes the turn and just goes absolutely, you know, fire emoji on everybody and takes home that thing. Even over Jon Rahm, this year, the floor has been lower. The iron play at times departs.

• 2:27:42Speaker 05

  The driver hasn't been as good this year. The putting, he missed a couple of really shorties at the Scottish Open on the way to that miscut. I just feel like to your point that the Scottie thing is important because if he doesn't win this, you have that full year of nothing really going and you might be able to save it with, I don't know, a FedEx Cup title or something like that, but it's not going to do much for the fans of Scottie Scheffler after this year. And then for Jon Rahm, if he doesn't win this Open Championship, it is 14 majors since his last win. I think, to me, this is the biggest week for Jon Rahm over everybody else.

• 2:28:13Speaker 02

  Okay, that actually, you saying Jon Rahm made me think about a possibility that could happen on Sunday. I believe Sunday is the World Cup final. It could be theoretically Spain against England.

• 2:28:26Speaker 05

  Pretty good.

• 2:28:27Speaker 02

  And you could have Jon Rahm maybe dueling it out with Tommy Fleetwood. That would be something.

• 2:28:33Speaker 05

  Justin Rose. And that, I don't think an Englishman has won the Open since 92. So, I mean, you, you talk about like a lot of history there as well, which is, uh, which is an interesting little nugget, you know, in terms of one of these guys finally trying to get over that hump.

• 2:28:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, that would line up to be like potentially the most heartbreaking day in English history all around.

• 2:28:55Speaker 05

  They can't win the World Cup, can they, PFT?

• 2:28:57Speaker 02

  No, they can't. I mean, I think they're going to lose to Argentina in the Falkland Island Bowl, but I, if they do, if they do win, then I'm just saying that Sunday with the Open Championship happening at the same time, that would just, that would be a crazy day in British sports.

• 2:29:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, a lot of one seeds in the final four. Big Cat, do you have a rooting interest in the, in the final four? Do you have a, did you put a bet on anybody yet or no? Just Messi. I'm a Messi guy. I don't even care if, like, if you just put Messi on any of the other teams, I'd root for that team. Uh, it's actually kind of nice to have, to pick a sport where you can almost be like a, a LeBron sexual, where it's like, I don't care where he goes, I'm just going to root for that guy. Like, no allegiance is whatsoever. Yeah. It's like a fun experience. Yeah, you're just like, like, if Argentina loses, I'm going to be like, fuck those bums, they let down my guy. Like, you can't, you know what I mean? And if they win, it's like, yeah, he carried these, these losers, these plumbers to the World Cup title.

• 2:29:51Speaker 02

  What if, what if Messi went to the four aces, Big Cat? Are you gonna be a, are you gonna be a four aces guy?

• 2:29:57Speaker 05

  Honestly, he could go anywhere.

• 2:29:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:29:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, he, I was just rooting for him. Maybe not the Packers. Like, I would be maybe too far, but like, I would still be like, damn, he really is good. I'd be like, I respect Messi's, you know, game over the middle.

• 2:30:10Speaker 02

  I want him to start ring chasing. I want Messi to like, if, if Argentina loses, be like, Messi, come to us, we'll treat you right. We'll get you a passport. Just become, you live here anyway, Messi. Do you, do you guys battle with this? You guys are like a year younger than me. Do you guys battle with this whole, like, the legacy sports fan stuff? I feel like I'm in the, like, at this point in my life, I just want to see guys or girls out of their legacy. I feel like I care way less about the, the young players getting their first ring. And I just want to see, like, Steph, or even, I mean, even Djokovic, I found myself at Wimbledon, kind of rooting for him to, to get it done. Like, do you guys battle that at all? I, I like asking the question of what it means for people's legacy. I think it's a fun question to, to ask repeatedly.

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  But no, I, I think there is something to that because I just, and I think it's us not wanting to admit that we're old.

• 2:30:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, it's age thing.

• 2:30:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, if Djokovic is out there still winning, then we can be like, you know, we're not that far out of our primes either. We can probably still get out there and do it. Almost the same age as me.

• 2:31:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think when you get to a point in age where you like, start seeing guys come and go to, you know what I mean? Like, I remember when he was drafted and now he's retiring. Oh, fuck. And like, oh, I remember his, now his son, we had Larry Fitzgerald on Friday and like, his son's playing for Notre Dame. It's like, what? How's that make sense?

• 2:31:23Speaker 02

  That's why I never wanted Tom Brady to retire. It's because like, there's.

• 2:31:26Speaker 05

  LeBron is the one. We've seen all, LeBron is the same.

• 2:31:29Speaker 02

  He's kind of the one.

• 2:31:30Speaker 05

  He's one month older than me in PFT. Like, once he retires, I think it, we might have to.

• 2:31:35Speaker 02

  We might retire.

• 2:31:36Speaker 05

  Shut down the idea that we could ever be in the pros.

• 2:31:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:39Speaker 05

  That's it.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  I know, I know. Like, our, it's, it's really our window that's closing, if you think about it. It's not their window that's closing. It's more our window that's closing. Like, Big Cat, my son asked me the other day, I think Djokovic was on, my son who's seven.

• 2:31:51Speaker 07

  Haven't asked me, is, am I older than him? And I was like, I was like, well, yeah, like, like everybody on TV now.

• 2:31:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:31:58Speaker 07

  It's like, it's, it's, you don't really even have to ask that anymore.

• 2:32:01Speaker 05

  No, it's not even like the coaches. I'm, I'm, we're older than all the coaches now too.

• 2:32:05Speaker 02

  When LeBron's son got drafted, that's, for me, I was kind of like, okay, time to hang it up. That one's, that one's tough. But yeah, Big Cat's right. The second LeBron retires, it's like, that means that me and Big Cat are officially old.

• 2:32:15Speaker 05

  Officially old.

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have to retire.

• 2:32:16Speaker 05

  I guess we still have Ronaldo. He's gonna play in every single World Cup.

• 2:32:19Speaker 02

  That's right. Yeah.

• 2:32:20Speaker 05

  All right. So who can win this tournament? Who do we, and by the way, I don't know if you know this Shane, but the US Open, you were so, so close to never coming back on this show. Because Colin Morikawa, Colin Morikawa, when we asked who could not win this tournament, you're like, Colin Morikawa cannot win this tournament. And he was like, there was that stretch where he was like fourth or fifth.

• 2:32:43Speaker 02

  On Saturday, he was looking really good.

• 2:32:44Speaker 05

  This motherfucker.

• 2:32:46Speaker 07

  Didn't, didn't win though? Did he win?

• 2:32:47Speaker 05

  No, you're right. But you were close.

• 2:32:50Speaker 07

  Didn't win?

• 2:32:50Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:32:51Speaker 07

  Didn't win. We don't talk about third quarters, baby. We talk about all four days at all. Just like we do everywhere else.

• 2:32:56Speaker 05

  You're right. You're right.

• 2:32:57Speaker 07

  I got, I got some, I got some names for you. You know, kind of, I'll, I'll start outsider into more of like the favorite names. Andrew Putnam is a name I like a little bit, maybe like a top 10, top 20 bet. Drives it really straight. I'm going to say this a lot. You hit fairways at Burke Dale. I'm going to like your chances. So Putnam has played really solid golf this year and looks like he's playing more comfortable golf in the bigger events, which has been nice. Seen some good finishes from him, like in signature events, things like that. Russell Henley, also a name I like, leads the PGA Tour in driving accuracy. And I think that's going to be big. Matt Kuchar, if you remember back in 2017, was battling with Jordan Spieth. Kuchar, not the longest guy in the world and, and never has been,

• 2:33:39Speaker 07

  but is a guy that can find a lot of fairways. You think about Marco Mira back in 98. You know, he was kind of quote unquote, past his prime.

• 2:33:46Speaker 05

  But just hit it in the fairway, got it around. Tommy Fleetwood's going to be an extremely popular name. You're going to hear a lot this week. Grew up in the area. He's had five straight top 14 finishes coming into this open championship. Talking about lost years, feels like it's been a bit of a lost year for Tommy Fleetwood after that win at the end of the season. This could change a lot of that. Bobby Mack, another name, another guy I like, just like the golf course fit for him, played well at the Scottish, three top 10s and his six starts at the open. So he's a name. And I also like Tyrrell Hatton. I mentioned the Englishman drought at the open championship. He has played really, really good as of late. Got to win it on live a month ago, played well at the US Open, played

• 2:34:26Speaker 05

  well at the Scottish, T11, T20, T16, and three of his last four open starts. But my pick is going to be Victor Hovland. I just think Vic has found something with the driver. He was actually, PFT, he was trying to gain distance off the tee and he somehow lost distance off the tee. That's like, you know, you're like, I'm going to go to the gym and get stronger. And then you get more out of shape, which is not, hopefully not the goal of doing something like that.

• 2:34:55Speaker 02

  Did he, did he get more accurate?

• 2:34:57Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 2:34:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, bad. He should probably fire his trainer.

• 2:35:00Speaker 05

  Well, well, here's the good news. He's gotten better. This was like an apartment he lived in when he was playing great golf, like, like strokes gained off the tee, things like that. He was down in like the high 80s, low 90s before the last couple of weeks and he has been great with the driver. He was top 10 in the department in the Scottish Open. I just like the way Victor's played, got the win over Scottie Scheffler. That's got to help the confidence up there in Connecticut. And he's played well at the open championship, had a chance in 2022, played alongside Rory at St. Andrews, played well in 2023, three top 15s and five career starts at the open championship. I think Victor Hovland has

• 2:35:37Speaker 01

  Something he's the guy that rides the confidence wave as well.

• 2:35:40Speaker 05

  All right, you kind of glossed over something here, which should have been your number one story because I listen, I'm, I don't know golf very well. I'm, I'm looking for storylines. Tommy Fleetwood used to sneak on Royal Burke Dale and practice with his dad when he was growing up.

• 2:35:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:57Speaker 05

  You have to bet him. I didn't realize he grew up that close to Royal Burke Dale.

• 2:36:01Speaker 02

  Shane, this is a close your eyes and imagine the telecast when he's walking down 18.

• 2:36:06Speaker 05

  Oh, yes.

• 2:36:07Speaker 02

  And it's the, it's the same fairway. He and his papa.

• 2:36:10Speaker 01

  It actually might be, it might be, it might be too easy. It might be too low hanging fruit.

• 2:36:15Speaker 05

  But what, how do you play?

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  But we're not thinking it's like, how dumb are we going to feel if we don't bet on him and that happens?

• 2:36:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:36:22Speaker 02

  We'll be like, we could have pictured that. We saw that coming.

• 2:36:24Speaker 05

  It's a perfect story.

• 2:36:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I think the only counter to that is the fact that he doesn't really win that much in golf. I think that's the only counter I put out there.

• 2:36:35Speaker 05

  That's a fair one, but, but so how, how many times has he played the place that he literally practiced on as a kid? Did he play in the 2017 Open Championship?

• 2:36:46Speaker 01

  I would, I would, I would venture to say he did not, but let me check real quick.

• 2:36:50Speaker 05

  So this could be the first time he's playing in a big time event this close to his, the crowd is going to love him. You could just see it. It's like Field of Dreams. His dad, like, you know, like maybe actually after a round. Yeah. How do you play?

• 2:37:03Speaker 01

  He did play in 2017. T, uh, T 27.

• 2:37:07Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:37:08Speaker 02

  That was probably good for him back then. He was probably, he was probably happy to be T 27.

• 2:37:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I don't think Tommy's going to win this open championship. I, I think if I've learned anything about Tommy Fleetwood, it's the higher I get on him, the more, the more I love him. But I mean, you know, I said Colin Morikaw wasn't going to win the US Open and he nearly did it. So.

• 2:37:28Speaker 02

  His family lived like on the course?

• 2:37:30Speaker 05

  No, so I just looked it up. He lived, he lived three miles away. He lived around the corner. He grew up around the corner and his dad, uh, and he used to sneak on in twilight hours in place, practice some holes.

• 2:37:40Speaker 02

  I'm just sneaking me hottest.

• 2:37:42Speaker 05

  Seriously.

• 2:37:43Speaker 02

  We, we have to, I'm sorry.

• 2:37:45Speaker 05

  I'm going to bet it right now.

• 2:37:46Speaker 02

  You're the expert here, but I have to bet on Tommy Fleetwood now.

• 2:37:48Speaker 05

  To. This is the most, oh, it's poetic. It's perfect.

• 2:37:53Speaker 01

  I will say this, I'll, I'll say this about Tommy Fleetwood. 10 straight majors without a top 10. Um, after the great run he was in, in at the majors, really 2022 through 24.

• 2:38:04Speaker 05

  When it felt like he was really starting to buck, hasn't had that level of consistency in the major championships since then, but I'm never gonna, I'm never pushing you guys away from making a bet you want to make, you know, I mean, you want to. It's such a beautiful story. It's such a beautiful story.

• 2:38:19Speaker 02

  It is beautiful story. So I will take some of your advisors. You got, you got Andrew Putnam, you got Russell Henley, Matt Kuchar, Tommy Fleetwood as a maybe, but it sounds like no Tommy Fleetwood.

• 2:38:29Speaker 05

  Not Matt, not Matt Kuchar. Matt Kuchar was 2017. Um, we had, what do we have? We had Putnam, Fleetwood, Robert McIntyre.

• 2:38:37Speaker 02

  Okay. And Hatton and maybe Hovland.

• 2:38:41Speaker 05

  I love Hovland.

• 2:38:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:38:42Speaker 05

  I think Hovland wins. I think Hovland's the open champion. What about our guys? Brooks, Max, Wyndham, now is kind of an honorary, our guy recently. So what, how are they gonna play? Is he like a, is he like a Bruce, Bruce of the year? We're figuring it out. He's never gonna be a Blake, but we're figuring it out.

• 2:38:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he would be a Wyndham of the year. He's a wine drink. You don't, Blakes don't drink wine.

• 2:39:05Speaker 05

  It's a good point. They, they, they avoid the grape. I, I would say, I, I don't love Brooks right now. Just really inconsistent. There are moments Koepka looks great. He shot 66 out of the gate at the Scottish Open and then the next day he shoots four over and misses the cut. He just really since that WD in Canada with the whole hand thing, he hasn't really played the level of golf you got to be able to play to contend. He has one top 10 this season and that was at the Cognizant Classic at the Palm Beaches, which is a lot of words to say about a golf tournament. I'm a little bit higher on Homa. Um, just been kind of looking at the way he's played as of late. Um, didn't play awesome at the, the, like the other PGA Tour event this past weekend alongside the Scottish, but he's been trending

• 2:39:48Speaker 05

  in the right direction. Two top 22 finishes before that second place finish at the Deer. Plus the open is his favorite major. And he continues to say he likes playing this, this tournament and this style of golf more than anything else. So I, I kind of like Max a little bit. Okay. And then Wyndham? I mean, like Wyndham is a, Wyndham is a top 10 bet right now. Okay. Wyndham is a top 10 bet everywhere. Yeah. Like everywhere. Plays top 10, very confident. I'm kinda, I kinda kick myself for not bringing him up at Schenectady just for the way he was playing, but I mean, he played well at the Scottish. Like he's playing well everywhere right now. I just think if you're, um, look at it numbers, look at it Wyndham Clark, and you see a decent number on a top 10, top 20 bet, I think it's

• 2:40:33Speaker 05

  kinda free money right now with Wyndham Clark. Okay.

• 2:40:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:40:36Speaker 05

  Um, all right, Hank, do you have a question? And can I ask a question to you, Hank, first?

• 2:40:39Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 2:40:40Speaker 05

  Am I allowed to say what I witnessed today?

• 2:40:42Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 2:40:43Speaker 05

  Shane Bacon, have you ever witnessed this? I watched Hank play. I played nine holes with Hank today. He is now hitting driver righty, everything else lefty, putting righty. He's doing a righty Oreo on the golf course.

• 2:40:59Speaker 05

  Sweet. Drivers righty.

• 2:41:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:41:03Speaker 05

  Three woods lefty?

• 2:41:04Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:41:07Speaker 05

  It's crazy.

• 2:41:09Speaker 05

  All right. All right, Hank, hold on one second. All right, I got some questions for Hank.

• 2:41:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:41:12Speaker 05

  We put, I'll put Roback on and just do the Roback question here. All right. You, so wait, let, talk me, just talk me through the process. Like just talk me through how we got here.

• 2:41:21Speaker 04

  I'm trying to just take the best of both where like driving righty was never a problem. I can just step up and hit drives relatively in the same dispersion zone, but I've been playing all year lefty. So irons and wedges, it's like I'm more comfortable with that. I'm just going with what's the most comfortable and, and maybe I'm, I'm completely mentally screwed, but I'm not, I'm not thinking about that.

• 2:41:44Speaker 02

  You were thinking of his dispersion zone, Shane.

• 2:41:46Speaker 05

  You are, you are thinking, you are thinking about it. You are thinking about it. When we played today, I, I joined him on the back nine in the first hole and the back nine was a par three. So I didn't think, and then I, I was kind of distracted on the, on 11. And then at 12, I was like, what are you doing right now, Hank? Cause he stepped up in the box with, with, with a righty driver. I was like, what are you doing? He's like, yeah, I'm driving righty, everything else lefty, putting righty.

• 2:42:10Speaker 05

  I mean, the putting's not that weird. Like, I mean, like notable Gay used a double sided putter, my dad for a while.

• 2:42:16Speaker 06

  Took one of my lefty putters out and would putt lefty and hit everything righty, but the driver's the one. I mean, that is just. Now, now Hank, listen, first of all, I mean, you are thinking about it because you just said it on the couch. Are you nervous about like what people are gonna say?

• 2:42:30Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 2:42:31Speaker 06

  The questions you're gonna get?

• 2:42:32Speaker 04

  I've, I've been used to that. I mean, I play with people where I've had to explain like, I'm playing lefty now and then I go out and play worse and they're just so confused. So that part I've gotten over that like people. I've, I've been, I've been used to the people just being like, what the fuck is wrong with this kid?

• 2:42:47Speaker 05

  It is one of the most interesting stories. I've played without Hank and Pete, like played with people and they've been like, so what is Hank doing? Like they'll bring it up to me. He is, he's the talk of the town and we're in a pretty big town.

• 2:43:02Speaker 06

  It's like, it's like a terminal illness. Like nobody wants to bring it up to him, but they'll bring it up to his friends. Like, is he, is he doing okay? Is Hank okay?

• 2:43:10Speaker 02

  The crazy thing is I thought that Hank left handed as a driver is pretty good. I, I thought you were hitting the ball pretty straight. The dispersion zone was good. The distance was good. Wait, did you just have one bad day driving lefty and you're like,

• 2:43:22Speaker 04

  I'm just trying to, I'm trying to.

• 2:43:24Speaker 02

  You did have a bad day.

• 2:43:25Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the, the recipe to go as low as possible without accepting that it might just all be right.

• 2:43:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, it might be the, the handicap you had, right?

• 2:43:37Speaker 06

  It's like, I was looking all around the world for my, for, for my partner and it was the girl I was, went to prom with the whole time. Like, this is what I was born with and the way I go.

• 2:43:45Speaker 05

  It's a fascinating story because golf is the hardest game in the world and people will go at lengths to try to figure it out. And Hank was like, you know what? I'm gonna make it even harder. I'm gonna switch and now I'm gonna switch back.

• 2:43:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, just, I'm not switching back. Just temporarily.

• 2:44:03Speaker 06

  So Hank, I have, I have another follow-up question for you. So.

• 2:44:06Speaker 02

  In terms of wearing a glove, what are you doing glove wise? Good question. Are you going?

• 2:44:12Speaker 04

  No glove, no glove on the drives.

• 2:44:14Speaker 02

  Okay. Okay. And then your lefty glove, or you're a right-handed glove for your irons?

• 2:44:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:44:20Speaker 02

  And then no glove putting?

• 2:44:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think there probably was a couple of times where I just wasn't thinking about it and put my glove on and so hit the drive. But when I'm thinking about it, it's no glove.

• 2:44:28Speaker 02

  Why not double glove? Why not Aaron Rai?

• 2:44:30Speaker 04

  I don't like, that would be weird.

• 2:44:32Speaker 02

  So was that actually an advantage for him at the, at the open? Like if you, if you got shitty weather, he's the only guy that's got two gloves?

• 2:44:40Speaker 02

  He's the only one used to it. I think it's a great call, PFT. I mean, the fact that those guys pull out the weather glove if it's going to rain. Forecast doesn't look very wet this week, but I think in theory, in the future ones, like St. Andrews next year, if it rains, maybe we'll get a little nod to Aaron Rai. And the iron covers too. Keep them nice and clean. Just sort of think about it. Great point. You're all over right now. You know what? You're a year ahead right now. Yeah, I might be. Yeah. Hank, you just, what, what, what happens around the green now? Like, are you chipping righty? Are you?

• 2:45:08Speaker 04

  Lefty, no.

• 2:45:09Speaker 02

  Bunker shots always lefty?

• 2:45:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:45:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. You never even thought about going back?

• 2:45:13Speaker 05

  Why are you so confused, dude?

• 2:45:15Speaker 02

  So it's putting?

• 2:45:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:45:16Speaker 04

  Driving.

• 2:45:17Speaker 02

  Driving.

• 2:45:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:45:18Speaker 02

  And if you would have. And 14, 14 clubs in your bag?

• 2:45:21Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:45:22Speaker 02

  What if you hit driver off the deck? Okay.

• 2:45:24Speaker 04

  I would, I mean, I have a righty driver, so.

• 2:45:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you gotta go right?

• 2:45:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:45:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:45:28Speaker 05

  He's got it. All right. What was your question to Shane Hank? Sorry. I, it was, it is fascinating. It's one of the most fascinating stories in golf right now.

• 2:45:35Speaker 03

  I'm pissed off that he just said that two gloves would be weird. You are doing the weirdest thing ever.

• 2:45:41Speaker 04

  I know, I know.

• 2:45:42Speaker 05

  He did give me a look. He gave me a look knowing how weird that was, or how funny that was. Okay, go ahead Hank.

• 2:45:48Speaker 04

  It's a great point. You talk, you talk about storylines. One, one guy that I want to bet on, but I'm worried about, uh, speaking of irons or, or his, or his clubs is Justin Rose. Cause I feel like that would be a fun story, but, but I feel like he has, he switched to the Maserati irons or whatever and then has not been playing well.

• 2:46:06Speaker 05

  I mean, I honestly think we're past it. To be fair, I think he's shown enough with the new irons, the McLaren irons, whatever they are, to where I'm not, I'm not, by the way, the Maserati irons, if you're gonna like, that made me think about a Mazda Miata iron. I, but no, I think we're past it. I think he's, I think he looks at these things as opportunity. And I think he's one of those guys that I think has an opportunity to win this Open Championship. You know, it's weird, in 2017, we got to Burke Dale, and it was as wide open in terms of who you like to win that Open as maybe ever. Jordan Spieth was second favorite, he went on to win. But I think about right now, like Scottie's not playing great, Rory, a little all over the map, he's kind of

• 2:46:49Speaker 05

  got this problem where one round a week, he plays poorly in, even did it when he won the Masters, he shot that 73, I think on Saturday. He can't avoid the one kind of not great round. I go down the world ranking list, and there's not a lot of names I'm overly scared of. And I think about the way Justin Rose seems to show up at the majors. I think if you're, if you're kind of itching to bet him, I like the bet, just because I think Justin Rose at least has the potential to put together four good rounds.

• 2:47:16Speaker 04

  Love it. And Goddard up, Goddard up's my other, my other horse, kind of our guy too. I like Goddard up a lot. I feel like, I feel like he, he played, doesn't have to worry about the, the winning the Scottish Open again curse, still played well. Why not him?

• 2:47:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think he's, I think he's, like, if you were gonna ask me, what, what are my, like, my odd board, he'd probably be atop it. I mean, just in terms of the way he's playing golf right now, and the confidence level, and obviously getting a crack at links golf last year, and showing off his skillset. I think Goddard up is up there. I think Cameron Young is still up there as well, even though he hadn't played as good as of late. Rose, Victor, those guys are all near, in my opinion, near like a Scottie number. I don't, I don't, I don't love Cam. Smith. He bucked at the PGA and then that quickly went away.

• 2:48:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Did you see that the, uh, the open championship put out a statement kind of warning fans like, hey, don't, we're not going to do any of that American shit over here.

• 2:48:13Speaker 05

  I mean, yeah, like they have to warn them to do that, but it's just not really in their DNA. Like they want to go out and be in the sun and put on way more sunscreen than we've ever worn in our lives. And they just want to watch good golf, man. Like, that's what this is about. This is a great golf area where Burke Dale is like, this is an area that, you know, gets this major championship. Once every 10 years, they get fired up for it and they believe that their golf course is as good as any on the road. I think the players back that up as well. Um, so yeah, they're not going to come out. I mean, these guys, they're not coming out and being Long Island fans. They're just going to come out and, and you know, and eat their ice cream when it's 92, you know?

• 2:48:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. I thought there was one line in there that was like, we just celebrate, we only will celebrate great play in a fair and sporting manner, which seemed to be them being like, hey, you're not going to do the Yankee stuff here. We're not going to boo guys that might be in the lead on Sunday.

• 2:49:07Speaker 05

  I mean, do you want booing in golf, PFT? Do you want, do you want, like, do you want this? Like you want it to be intense.

• 2:49:14Speaker 02

  I think I do. I think I do, but, but that said, I don't, I don't want it in certain circumstances. I don't want it at Augusta.

• 2:49:23Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:49:23Speaker 02

  Augusta, every, that's like, we go back in time, we mind our manners. Uh, everyone acts like they're over at their grandparents' house. That's what, that's what Augusta is. That's what it's for. I do like the, uh, the, the Ryder Cup mentality. I like when we're booing people, when there's heroes, when there's villains. I think it, it sounds way, way worse than it actually is because we're just not used to it in golf sometimes.

• 2:49:46Speaker 05

  And, and I think like when we figure out live in the PGA tour and everybody's like playing in the same arena again. And the live thing kind of, uh, slowly dissipates and disappears. Um, I, I do think, you know, the, the idea of a villain helps the game. And I think having the villain in this, on the same stage as the hero, if you will. And I mean, I think having those types of names around makes golf more interesting. The problem obviously with live.

• 2:50:10Speaker 07

  A lot of those guys there are quote unquote villains went away while the PGA Tour guys were just out there playing and we kind of lost a little bit of that rooting for and also rooting against thing that you know is is obviously available in every other sport just doesn't feel that available in golf.

• 2:50:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. Okay Shane, last question. Always great having you on. We actually did, I think you, I think you came on for every major. So now it's the Shane, it's the reverse of the.

• 2:50:32Speaker 07

  It's like my Bryson slam.

• 2:50:33Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. And again, watch post round on CBS Sports. Roback question, rhoback.com promo code TAKE 20% off your first purchase. Qs, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code TAKE. I'm wearing it right now. Zach.

• 2:50:50Speaker 05

  Turn it up.

• 2:50:51Speaker 07

  Oh, man. Didn't, didn't think I was, I barely heard you, which is okay, but barely hearing you is better than not hearing you at all, Zach.

• 2:50:58Speaker 05

  No worries. I've got more volume coming through for you right now. There we go. I was curious.

• 2:51:02Speaker 07

  Way better.

• 2:51:02Speaker 05

  There's a trend here recently Shane with guys getting into golf who maybe don't have the fastest clubhead speed. So they're jumping straight to the flex shafts. Is that a viable option? And if so, like, what are your thoughts on that? There's a, there's a wave of that going around online. I just want to know from a guy who does play good golf, if that's something beginner golfers should get into.

• 2:51:23Speaker 07

  So the, the question is, should beginning golfers look at a shaft or an equipment change to help them out in terms of hitting it longer?

• 2:51:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. Should they jump straight ahead to like the more forgiving flex shafts if they don't have the clubhead speed?

• 2:51:37Speaker 07

  I, I, I think first and foremost to beginning golfers, try to figure out like the fundamentals of the golf swing, whether it's just hitting it solid, getting into the air, avoiding dribbling it, whatever you're doing wrong. I would work on the fundamental stuff before I start worrying about how far I'm hitting. And I mean, obviously hitting it far is more fun, but I would probably focus a little bit more on like weight shifting and solid contact and things like that before I started to venture into the shaft world. But I've had some friends, Zach, that hit it pretty short that have gotten into that world and have picked up mega distance with it. There's also like the stack system is something you can use that you can swing like in your apartment as well. It's just basically a weighted club and you can swing it to, to work on that. It's like, kind of like a little golf workout.

• 2:52:21Speaker 05

  Okay, Zach. Good, good question. You got a follow up? Cause Zach is actually knows a lot about shafts. I think it's an important part of the game.

• 2:52:28Speaker 07

  What's up with that?

• 2:52:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. What is up with that?

• 2:52:30Speaker 07

  What's up with, are you, are you like?

• 2:52:31Speaker 05

  Google them or what? Yeah, I'm watching videos on them, yeah. YouTube videos though.

• 2:52:35Speaker 00

  Cause you don't even have a set of clubs.

• 2:52:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you gotta, you gotta know what you're getting into with the equipment, you know?

• 2:52:40Speaker 04

  He's asking about my shaft and I don't even have the answers. And I'm like, why are you, like, how are you asking me about this?

• 2:52:46Speaker 05

  Hank might go Ventas overkill on some of his clubs, kinda crazy. Look at him, look at him spitting it out. Oh wait, so Zach, let me, let me ask you, let me ask you a question. Still no clubs?

• 2:52:56Speaker 02

  You work for a company that I believe has a deal with an OEM that probably could provide you a full set of clubs. What are you doing? Just send an email, my man.

• 2:53:04Speaker 05

  I'm just making sure I come with the right information. You know, you always wanna be educated on what you're trying to get into.

• 2:53:08Speaker 00

  He's shopping around right now. He doesn't know if he wants to make a commitment.

• 2:53:11Speaker 02

  Shane, you, you know, when you were a kid, you probably are, are like me, you had the East Bay catalog that came every single month. And you'd go through it and you'd just, you'd imagine getting the different sports equipment. And then when you finally got it, it's exactly what you wanted, exactly what you studied over for like the last three months. And you've had time to daydream about it, think about what those shafts are gonna be like in your hands. I'm, I'm sure Zach just wants to get into that, like, almost fantasy mindset where he's thinking about these shafts. And then when the perfect shaft comes, it's just as he imagined.

• 2:53:40Speaker 00

  He's dating right now.

• 2:53:41Speaker 04

  Gee.

• 2:53:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I do feel like, I, let me say this Zach, before the fundamental talk I said earlier,

• 2:53:49Speaker 05

  I think one of the first things you gotta do is get a set of clubs. Like, I think that's almost like step one for a golfer. Is to own a set of clubs. That's super fair.

• 2:53:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53:59Speaker 05

  I did have a quick follow-up since we are talking equipment. Uh, you did speak a little bit earlier about Bryson struggling with his iron play. Do you think it's the 3D printed irons? And if so, is he in too deep? Can he just, he just has to stick with them?

• 2:54:12Speaker 05

  I, I, I think he tinkers a lot. I honestly think it's the one link thing to me. I mean, I, I just, I don't love the one link irons. He hits so many short irons. You think about how far he hits at Zach? I mean, one of the longest in professional golf.

• 2:54:23Speaker 00

  And the fact that his lob wedge and sand wedge and pitching wedge and all this stuff with the same length, you know, he's always struggled with this kind of concoction he has in his bag of getting the ball close after a perfect drive. And I just feel like it's deteriorated over time and it's just gotten to a point where now he's not taking advantage of booming it off the tee. I just feel like, honestly, you could go one length through like seven iron for me and I'd be fine. But I think about the scoring clubs for Bryson. And again, nobody else on tour is doing this. They're not doing it for a reason. I think if you're Bryson, just try it, man. You know, like, what are you gonna hurt? You just missed three cuts in a row at majors and look like you're headed for four in a row, you know, unless he gets the, the standing ovation he got in that YouTube video. So I just feel like

• 2:55:07Speaker 00

  he's gonna, he needs to maybe just try one thing different. All right. Well, Shane, thank you as always. You're the best. We appreciate it. Everyone go check out Shane on CBS Sports. And like I said, he's got some big interviews coming up and we gotta, we gotta figure out what time to get you to Chicago. We gotta play around. It'll be fun. Do a video. Gotta do it before it gets cold. Did Zach get a new apartment? By the way, I owe him a picture. Did he get something? I did get the keys yesterday. Oh, yeah, we're all moving him. We're all gonna move him for a video. Cause he has, the amount of stuff he owns, we figured out we can all just pick it up and just go. Well, he just doesn't own a golf clubs. He probably doesn't own a bed. I will, I have a friend working on a picture for you, but now I think he's making it for everybody

• 2:55:52Speaker 00

  at the pod. Love that. So I'll send them, but if, but obviously the, just Zach, I just want you to know you're the reason for this. It's not, Big Cat's not the reason, you're the reason. You're the guy. Love that.

• 2:56:03Speaker 02

  Two con channel. Do appreciate it so much, man. It was great talking gear with you today. I really enjoyed that.

• 2:56:07Speaker 00

  Anytime. By the way, love chatting with you, boys. All right. Thanks, Shane. Appreciate it. Have fun.

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• 2:57:17Speaker 00

  Okay, let's wrap up. We got guys on chicks.

• 2:57:19Speaker 02

  Henry. Sup ladies?

• 2:57:23Speaker 04

  Hey, PMT boys.

• 2:57:24Speaker 02

  What's up? What's up? How you doing?

• 2:57:26Speaker 04

  I have a golf question.

• 2:57:27Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah?

• 2:57:28Speaker 04

  What do you guys even talk about for four-plus hours when you're all together? For example, whenever my husband gets home from golfing and I ask how his friends are, he says, "They are good." His friend and wife just bought a house and I asked him, "Is he excited and when are they moving in?" He said, "Uh, I think he's excited. Not sure when they're moving in, next month, maybe." What do you guys talk about?

• 2:57:47Speaker 02

  Um, just fun stuff. I think it depends. Nothing. We try to not talk about anything related to real life whatsoever. You're bullshitting for four hours.

• 2:57:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, it depends, too. If it's people you know, it's like, just whatever. You know what I mean? Could just not talk, too. If it's people you've never golfed with, then you'll do like the general, you know, background, all that stuff. I mean, I'm trying to think of my last.

• 2:58:14Speaker 00

  What did we talk about on Wednesday?

• 2:58:17Speaker 04

  The weekend.

• 2:58:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. And what did we talk about? Well, Monday, we talked about how much we missed Hank.

• 2:58:23Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 2:58:24Speaker 02

  Where's Hank was was most of the conversation.

• 2:58:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, it's very like generic. I don't even think.

• 2:58:29Speaker 04

  It's also like, I think girls think about it because they're like, oh, when I go to dinner with my friends, like we're at a dinner table and we're together for four hours. Golf is like a lot of, you know, you're together, but separate, but together, like there's not really time to have longer than like a 10 minute conversation.

• 2:58:43Speaker 00

  Right. It's quick things like in the tee box and you gotta go find your ball in the woods, then you gotta hit out of the woods.

• 2:58:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you might be like teamed up with one of your friends. So that person is your actual friend for that afternoon. And then you're playing against your other two friends. So you're just gonna make fun of your other two friends as much as you can and just kind of bullshit and fuck around for four hours.

• 2:59:00Speaker 00

  And you get, and you're like gambling, yeah, like two V two gambling. So you're talking about that, like who's up, who's down, all that stuff.

• 2:59:06Speaker 04

  And also talk about a lot of other times you've played golf.

• 2:59:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:59:10Speaker 04

  And just other rounds you've played recently.

• 2:59:11Speaker 00

  Sick courses.

• 2:59:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:59:13Speaker 02

  Last time I played this hole, this is what I did. Do you remember that?

• 2:59:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:59:16Speaker 02

  I think the, I think the car girl likes me. A lot of that.

• 2:59:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:59:22Speaker 04

  Basically nothing. Hello, I'm planning on getting married in January 2027. My fiance, Tony is your guy's biggest fan. He listens to episodes daily while working and yaps about your podcast at home. I kid you not, he gets excited when certain sporting events take place or certain plays happen simply because it'll make a great episode for him to listen to. When I saw this on Instagram, I got super excited. Any words of wisdom for him?

• 2:59:42Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 2:59:43Speaker 02

  Tony seems like a great guy.

• 2:59:44Speaker 00

  I love Tony.

• 2:59:45Speaker 02

  When people say that type of thing, like that actually makes me feel really, really good.

• 2:59:49Speaker 00

  Well, it also makes.

• 2:59:50Speaker 02

  I'm happy that Tony is able to like, he sees something like probably, let's be honest, probably terrible.

• 2:59:55Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, Tony's a sicko in purpose.

• 2:59:56Speaker 02

  He's a sicko. And he's like, I can't wait to hear how Hank reacts to the halftime show of the Super Bowl when he was getting his ass kicked.

• 3:00:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. Jaylen Brown got traded. Oh, you gotta tune in.

• 3:00:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:00:04Speaker 00

  I like Tony a lot. Words of advice for Tony. He's getting married?

• 3:00:10Speaker 00

  You, listen, Tony, I'm gonna say this once. You just let us know and we'll call this whole thing off. Okay? We'll get the fuck out of here. You never have to talk to any of these people again. Just hit the road. Open Road, you and the PMT guys, gone. Just dust in the wind. So just let us know, we're in. Uh, yeah, I would say, um, more than anything, just it's a true partnership.

• 3:00:35Speaker 02

  Uh, communication, communication. Yeah.

• 3:00:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:00:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Communication's key. Also, if you have any hobbies that you think you're going to want to pick up at any point for the rest of your life, start doing it now.

• 3:00:44Speaker 00

  Now, right now. It's hard to add.

• 3:00:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. You never used to play poker.

• 3:00:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, real hard to add. You just actually do all the hobbies right now, then you can, when you cut them out, you're here.

• 3:00:55Speaker 02

  I love you so much that I gave up quilting, babe.

• 3:00:57Speaker 00

  Oh shit, I'm not LARPing anymore. That's because I want to spend time with you.

• 3:01:01Speaker 02

  The LARPing actually sounds pretty fun.

• 3:01:05Speaker 04

  Hey guys, my boyfriend has been preoccupied by the World Cup the last few weeks, but ever since USA was knocked out, he keeps saying how many Sundays there are till football starts.

• 3:01:12Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 3:01:12Speaker 04

  For some context.

• 3:01:13Speaker 00

  There's nine.

• 3:01:14Speaker 04

  We live in California and most of his friends live in Chicago. Every Sunday at 10 a.m. since he can't hang out with them to watch together, he and his friends FaceTime for the start of the games. He continues to FaceTime until the last game ends around 8:30, uh, PT. Basically 10 hours straight. He's done this every Sunday for the past five years and won't do anything else besides FaceTime and watch football with his friends on Sundays.

• 3:01:33Speaker 00

  Love that.

• 3:01:33Speaker 04

  My question is what am I supposed to do during this time? And is this healthy for him to do? They also do this every Monday and Thursday night game.

• 3:01:41Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:01:41Speaker 04

  That's only a few hours. Am I insane thinking that this is insane? It drives me nuts that he doesn't want to do anything else. Curious your thoughts. Thanks. Football, no. That's a lot of FaceTime.

• 3:01:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. Loves his boys. Actually, you should not complain because it sounds like he doesn't watch college football. So, count your lucky stars.

• 3:02:00Speaker 02

  That is true.

• 3:02:00Speaker 00

  We could add Saturday. You want to add Saturday?

• 3:02:03Speaker 02

  Tuesday?

• 3:02:03Speaker 00

  Tuesday, Wednesday, Monday.

• 3:02:05Speaker 02

  Friday?

• 3:02:05Speaker 00

  You don't want that.

• 3:02:06Speaker 02

  Brazil.

• 3:02:07Speaker 00

  You're one of the lucky ones.

• 3:02:08Speaker 02

  Sunbelt?

• 3:02:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, but just let it, listen, this is, this is what the majority of us, this is our hobby. Um, and also shout out all the guys out there that are going to be going through it next week. The guys that, uh, maybe spent like the entire last month and a half treating the World Cup as their full-time. Job. I do feel for them.

• 3:02:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02:28Speaker 00

  Cause there are those guys out there.

• 3:02:29Speaker 02

  Well, listen, we, we all go through things that we have to fill the gap that football leaves when there's no football on.

• 3:02:35Speaker 03

  This just got me excited for football. I just started thinking about it.

• 3:02:38Speaker 02

  But there's too much time in between.

• 3:02:40Speaker 03

  I know, but I, I like the anticipation, like the, the, the getting excited for it's like almost the best part.

• 3:02:46Speaker 02

  I love football.

• 3:02:47Speaker 00

  It's so good. It's the best thing. That's why it's like, I can't get that upset about like if England wins the, the soccer match.

• 3:02:53Speaker 03

  I land on my honeymoon, the Friday, the Friday before.

• 3:02:58Speaker 00

  Are you still doing this whole wedding thing?

• 3:03:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:03:01Speaker 00

  You got another wedding?

• 3:03:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 3:03:02Speaker 00

  Renewing your vows?

• 3:03:04Speaker 03

  I'm gonna, I can't, I'm, I'm just not gonna talk to you. It's gonna be the only time in my life.

• 3:03:09Speaker 00

  Buddy, oh buddy, that's not true.

• 3:03:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 3:03:11Speaker 00

  If there's something happening, we're gonna be calling you for emergency podcast.

• 3:03:15Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, I'm, I'm bringing, I'm bringing the mic.

• 3:03:19Speaker 00

  Uh, will you land the Friday before Labor Day?

• 3:03:22Speaker 03

  I land in Chicago, the, the Friday of Labor Day weekend. So that's Saturday.

• 3:03:28Speaker 00

  That's convenient. So you land right, you, you're taking two weeks and then landing right before another three days.

• 3:03:34Speaker 03

  Three days doesn't mean nothing to us.

• 3:03:36Speaker 00

  I'm just fucking with you. That's a, that's a great timing by you.

• 3:03:39Speaker 03

  I'm so excited.

• 3:03:40Speaker 00

  Although we do podcasts on Sunday nights, so it's actually two days.

• 3:03:43Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 3:03:43Speaker 00

  Labor Day. Yeah. Yeah. We do.

• 3:03:46Speaker 03

  Wait.

• 3:03:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. Cause college football. Although Wisconsin's playing Notre Dame.

• 3:03:49Speaker 03

  No, I think we normally do. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait.

• 3:03:52Speaker 00

  No, no, we don't. No, we do Tuesday, Wednesday.

• 3:03:54Speaker 03

  Tuesday, Wednesday.

• 3:03:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I'm an idiot. Okay. Good show, boys.

• 3:03:59Speaker 02

  Great show.

• 3:03:59Speaker 00

  Oh, by the way, Bruce Levine did apologize to Jed and Carter Hawkins privately, privately. So that's a closing that chapter.

• 3:04:06Speaker 02

  Okay, we can move on.

• 3:04:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:04:08Speaker 02

  Twinkle D, twinkle dumb.

• 3:04:16Speaker 00

  Shane, the, I'm, I just realized the mistake I've made, uh, in this show. Cause I made fun of Shane's. I made fun of Shane's blockbuster pick.

• 3:04:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:04:28Speaker 00

  On a day that I got a haircut and a beard trim. So my face is looking extra fat. I'm expecting a tough thumbnail for me today. Real tough.

• 3:04:39Speaker 03

  You look so happy.

• 3:04:40Speaker 05

  It's it's it's gonna be a talk. I listen, I don't. It is what it is. I posted the one that was just so egregious that it was like.

• 3:04:49Speaker 02

  You've done some bad ones. It looks like somebody put like a bicycle.

• 3:04:53Speaker 05

  But I posted, but I'm I just realized I've set myself up for a bad one today.

• 3:04:57Speaker 06

  The Brady Good Doc. Uh, good job graphic. Did you guys see that?

• 3:05:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:05:01Speaker 02

  It was awful. It was awful. With thumbnails like that Shane, you should work for the Onion. Oh, he's mad.

• 3:05:10Speaker 03

  Those are most emotive faces of the episode.

• 3:05:12Speaker 05

  Okay, um, numbers.

• 3:05:14Speaker 02

  Seventy-eight.

• 3:05:15Speaker 06

  We'll do zero.

• 3:05:16Speaker 02

  I'm gonna do seven.

• 3:05:18Speaker 05

  I'm gonna go.

• 3:05:19Speaker 06

  We'll go twenty.

• 3:05:20Speaker 05

  Nine.

• 3:05:22Speaker 02

  Twenty-three.

• 3:05:23Speaker 03

  Eighty-six.

• 3:05:24Speaker 02

  What'd you say Hank?

• 3:05:25Speaker 03

  Sixty-nine.

• 3:05:29Speaker 02

  Memes took zero, huh? Right in the hot hand?

• 3:05:40Speaker 05

  Fifty-one. Anyone, anyone, anyone?

• 3:05:43Speaker 06

  Fifty-one.

• 3:05:46Speaker 06

  Fifty-one.

• 3:05:47Speaker 02

  One more.

• 3:05:48Speaker 05

  Fifty-one.

• 3:06:02Speaker 05

  Seventy-six.

• 3:06:06Speaker 06

  Sixers.

• 3:06:06Speaker 03

  One more.

• 3:06:07Speaker 02

  Happy birthday Tobias Harris.

• 3:06:11Speaker 02

  Happy birthday to Dame Lillard. Happy birthday Barry Sanders. Happy birthday Aaron Glenn memes.

• 3:06:20Speaker 06

  Happy birthday.

• 3:06:21Speaker 02

  Happy birthday. Will Ferrell.

• 3:06:27Speaker 02

  Love you guys.