CFB With Booger McFarland, The Eagles Season Is Over, Rays Win Game 4 Plus Listener Football Takes

The Rays have won a World Series game and extended the season to Game 5 Wednesday night. It still feels like an inevitable Brewers WS victory but we're still playing baseball. Ed Dodd is making moves for the Colts (00:00:00-00:19:15). We talk MNF and Max was there to watch the end of the Eagles season as they give the Cowboys life (00:19:15-00:50:53). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including a deep dive on the Arizona Cardinals Owner Michael Bidwill (00:50:53-01:19:34). Booger McFarland joins the show to talk College Football, the Big 12 madness from the weekend, who can win the SEC plus who he trusts in the NFL and whats wrong with the Texans (01:19:34-02:01:35). We then finish with listener football takes. You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take https://barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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  On today's part of my take presented by DraftKings, we've got our good friend Booger McFarland talking some college football NFL. Great to catch up with Bo. We have Max back for Monday Night Football. He was there to end the Eagles season. So we bury the Eagles once and for all. We can, we can just move on to the next year. We are going to do hot seat, cool throne. We have some takes, listener takes on the football season from our, from our listeners. We also are going to talk some World Series. The Brewers survive extra innings to force a game five in a series that I think we all think is pretty much over, but they

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  Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, October 28th, and the Tampa Bay Rays have survived an execution, a stay of execution, PFT. We have one more World Series game. We stayed up to coronate the Milwaukee Brewers. I had all the stats. I was going to talk about Aaron Ashby being 15 innings. Now he's pitched in the postseason and he hasn't given up a run. He was pissed to come out of that game. William Contreras, all these guys, the rookie Cooper hitting that home run, which was just insane. Yeah, Cooper at you thought that you thought the game was,

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  you thought the series is over right there. But the Rays did it. They found a way. It was started with an error in what inning we're even in. Was it the 13th? What inning was that? 12th? The started with an error in the 12th and they finally, they, they actually did a half inning of Brewers baseball where they started hitting the ball and, and moving runners over. So the Rays survive one more day, even though I think the Brewers have this thing sealed up after an insane Monday night where they were just awesome. And they had one of the best innings in like World Series history where they stringed together seven straight hits or something.

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  Yeah, it was the fifth inning of, of game three. I think it was maybe the second best fifth inning of all time in World Series history behind only the Yankees fifth inning where they committed all those errors a couple, a couple of years ago.

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  Yeah.

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  That was pretty good.

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  Yeah, but that Monday night, it felt like, okay, it's over. They had, they had Bobby Diesel, Robert Gasser on the mound for the Brewers. He's also not, I think he's given up one earned run in his postseason. He's pitched three times and they just, that fifth inning was insane. The stat was flying around 175 pitches that the Brewers saw and they had 13 swings and misses. That's how good they were. Yeah. But then tonight happened and we have one more World Series game. Do we, do the Rays have a chance?

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  Well, yeah, the Rays have a chance. The Rays have a chance in the same sense as like they have to go out there and actually play a game of baseball. They'll have a chance for like two hours. No, I mean, the Brewers, they've got everything set up. I don't know that the Rays are going to pitch. They just kind of went fuck it mode. We have to win this game, which I get, you don't want to get swept in the World Series. So they just, they said, that's a future us problem. We'll figure who's going to pitch for us. Like tomorrow morning, whoever's arm feels good, just like, let me know and we'll, we'll roll the ball out there and see what we got. But they just said, yeah, we're not going to lose this one. And they almost, I mean, it was, it was a good game. The thing about this World Series, I'm glad that it's not over. It sucked that like, I didn't want it to go this late tonight just because it would have been nice to have a nice, clean nine inning win for the Rays.

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  But I want the series to keep going because it's been very, very fun baseball to watch. It's everything that I personally like about baseball.

• 5:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

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  It's, it's a lot of small ball, but it's also like, I don't know, we need to figure out a different term for what the Rays do because, and the Brewers do, because it's not like traditional small ball, but it's, it's like more exciting, better base running, a lot of strategy. And there's always something going on. Like it's, it's a very, very exciting brand of baseball and I'm going to, I'm going to miss it when it's over. So I did not want to sweep. So thank you. I am a, a temporary racist and just keep it going. Give you like two more games. We're all a little racist sometimes, right?

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  Yeah. The, it's, yeah, it's, it's not small ball. It's, it's situational hitting. It's, you know, guys coming up in big moments. I mean, it feels like the entire Brewers lineup has had a big moment throughout this World Series, throughout this postseason. Sal Frelick, we talked about him on Saturday night. He had the big moment. Cooper Pratt tonight. So yeah, it's just, it just, it just got in like, you know, you know what it was? We had Eric Hosmer on Wake Up Barstool this morning. Hoz is the absolute best. And Max, you probably can speak to it, but he said that what the Brewers do better than anyone, any other team is they have a true nine V one approach at the plate where every single

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  guy is got the exact same like set, like they're like, hey, Freddie Peralta, he's going to try to pitch. He's going to try to throw heaters high. We're all going to lay off of them and like, everyone's going to do the same thing and not let him off the hook and give him any free outs where it's like not one guy's not coming up and being like, you know what? I'm going to swing at the first pitch. I'm going to fucking be free swing. They all are locked in and doing the exact same thing. And it makes it hell on pitchers to have to deal with because it's like, you can't just navigate a lineup being like, oh, this guy, I can, he's going to, he's going to chase something. He's going to, he's going to swing at the first pitch. They all are locked in and doing the same thing. It's Vogelbach. He's, he's an unbelievable hitting coach. Do you see it, Max?

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  Yeah, there like we, you watch it all the time in baseball. It's, it's uncompetitive at bats from, or non competitive at bats from 85% of teams out there and guys who just have a similar approach and are going up there with, with like a plan in place makes so much of a difference in these games when it gets tight like this. Because as you can see, the defense gets a little tight when, when, when it's World Series, when you're, when you're trying to compete to win the big one, it's not as easy as it is in the regular season. So like just getting the ball in play and making good defenders make plays is different in the World Series.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  That's how, that's how it started about this. But, but like along the same lines of, of not swinging at the first pitch, I've noticed that when they do swing at the first pitch, they almost always get a hit.

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  Yeah.

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  Like it's, it's almost like everybody's waiting on the same pitch and they've got that nine V one where it's like, we know what we're going to do because when they do, because I've noticed that occasionally they will, I think they have like probably the lowest rate of swinging at first pitches. But when they do jump on one, it's like they, they know exactly what they're looking for.

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  No, I'm just joking. I actually, I can't stand that we live in a world now because this happened. The Houston Astros fucked it for everyone. This happened last year with Signetti when Indiana won a national championship. This is happening right now with the Brewers when they're just being beasts at the plate.

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  Teams can't just be good anymore. They gotta be cheating. If they're too good, they're cheating. It's bullshit. They're not cheating. They're just really fucking good. And it's okay to just be like, hey, a team is really good. It doesn't, not every single answer has to be someone's cheating. Fuck the Astros. They did that.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Or you know, that's not what I was saying though, right?

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  I was joking. I was joking. Yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Right. I, I, I think that whatever their scouting department is, whatever their coaching tells them, I think they all know what they're looking for. And it's like, if, if you see this pitch, then fucking swing at it because we're, we're prepared for that. Uh, but they, they rarely do swing at that first pitch.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  It's also a scouting report. Like they could have, they're very, they're both very well coached teams. And they could just have an approach up there. It's like, this guy likes to start with this pitch. We're sitting on this pitch only. And if we see it out of the hand, we're attacking. So like, that goes into these two teams are just very well coached. And that has a lot to do with it.

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  Yeah. Yep. But shout out to Rays. They, they found a way. Like I did not think, I, I actually, I thought they were dead in the fourth, fourth inning. The fourth inning, they went up two, one. And remember I was talking about it on Sundays, like one of the, the, the the things that the Brewers do that is just like a, such a championship style thing that they do is they always answer. If, if, if the team scores, they will always answer. They will always put up a, a run the next inning. So the, the fourth inning, I think it was the bottom of the fourth. The, uh, Rays scored and then the Brewers scored in the next inning. And I was like, you could kind of see the panic on the Rays face like, oh shit. Here we go. We had a lead for like two seconds and now we're back to tied.

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  And so credits are raised because I thought they were dead there and they kept on fighting. And they're a really good baseball team. I don't think they're as good as the Brewers. I think the, this series is probably going to be over Wednesday night, especially with the pitching setup and the fact that the Brewers have Miz and, uh, the Rays, like we're gonna start Martinez, but he pitched two innings tonight. But hey, guess what? They still got a shot. They still got a shot. We got more World Series.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I, I need there to be, I need there to be more baseball. I don't want to think about what's going to, how about this? Can we make a rule? Let's wait a full episode after whoever wins the World Series. One full episode where we don't talk about the impending, uh, lockout that's coming for baseball.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  What if I do this? I got my mini Cubs bat right here. What if we do this PFT? What if we say there's just not gonna be a lockout?

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Or else?

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  Cause that's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to be the guy who is just oblivious, head in the sand. And say, they'll figure it out. They'll figure it. There's too much at stake. They'll figure it out. It's not 1994 anymore. They'll figure it out. So that's what I'm gonna do. Yeah. I'm, I'm pretty confident in that. Maybe not the whole season, but they're gonna play baseball next year. Uh, you know what? Big cat guarantee.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  You're on team. Nothing ever happens.

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  Yeah.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  It'll happen.

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  Yeah, it's good. They'll, they'll sit down at some point and be like, you know what, guys? Well, we're not, we're, we're making a lot of money here. Let's keep making a lot of money here.

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  They're gonna accidentally figure out, uh, that they're gonna start like right after basketball season's over. And that's the perfect time to start baseball season.

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  Yeah, they're also, I'll, I'll say this to, to, to the, the base, big baseball, uh, all the owners. Everyone, Jeff Passan, if there's no, if there's zero days missed, I'm swinging my little Cubs bat. There's zero days missed. I'm gonna be pissed that there's the little boy that cried wolf. You can never say it again. I'm not saying I'm gonna be happy that there's baseball. I'm saying you guys can't do this anymore. We can't sound the alarms anymore.

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  I don't like that you're even saying that. If there, if there's no days missed, that would be great.

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  It would be great, Max, but there's gotta be some heads to roll in terms of people saying like for the last five years being like, ah, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming.

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  I like this theory that like how the weather channel, they started naming all the storms, like winter storms, because they figure out that that gets better ratings. Like we're, we're looking at Jeff Passan and the, uh, the nightingales of the world. And they've been talking about this upcoming stoppage just so that they can get more clicks on their little social media profiles. Because they're, they're all doom and gloom about everything. Um, I would like to blame it all on them. That's a good way to look at it. Uh, I would like to offer Scott Boris and Rob Manfred a pizza party. If there's no games missed, how about that? You do, you do the stick. I'll do the carrot.

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  Love that. Love that. Yeah. I'm gonna whip you with my little Cubs bat. By the way, shout out our guy Jeff Passan, uh, dunking on that weirdo who took a picture from him of him like from a hundred feet away and tweeted it. We got, we gotta start shaming these people that are doing the pairs, like it's a very weird parasocial behavior to take a picture of someone enjoying their life. And then tweeting it to a bunch of burners being like, look at this loser ordering tacos. No, you're the loser for taking the picture of Jeff Passan.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Jeff Passan's been going at everybody. He, he went at that, uh, he went at the sleeper accounts too. He was like, your whole business model is fucked, buddy.

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  I didn't, well, I don't, I don't understand that at all. I'm not gonna get involved. I'm just more pointing to the, like Jeff Passan was ordering a taco and then some guy takes a picture of him, calls him short, tweets it. It's like, that's a weird move. Just.

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  I have no idea if he's right about the, I, I just like when Jeff Passan gets spicy about anything.

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  I'm gonna bring this bat into the office because I like just holding it and just kind of pointing it around and swinging it. Little, little bat. Uh, all right, more World Series. One last thing. Uh, we talked about it. So the Quentin Nelson trade broke. I think while we were recording earlier.

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  Yep.

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  Then DeForest Buckner got traded back to the 49ers. Is our, is our boy Ed Dodd cooking? I think he might be.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  I think he's on one. That's what I think. I think Ed Dodd's, I think Ed Dodd's was, was told no uncertain terms. Like you will be judged entirely off of, uh, like what picks you bring in, how many picks you bring in over the course of the next three weeks. That's your job, Ed Dodd's. He's probably on some sort of like spiff sales plan where, uh, he's compensated directly based on how many picks come in and, and congrats to, uh, DeForest Buckner because, uh, I, I'm excited to see him play some meaningful football. I remember we went out to the, uh, the 49ers training camp. And we saw him, he was probably like a second year player, maybe third year player.

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  Yeah.

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  And, uh, he was the biggest dude I'd ever seen on a football field at that point. Uh, and I'm, I'm just excited to see him play potentially in some meaningful games for the 49ers this postseason. So happy for him. Happy for Quentin Nelson too, to get that opportunity.

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  Good move by the Seahawks. Really good.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  This is classic Ed Dodd's, man. We knew when Ed Dodd's calls, don't pick up.

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  No, run away. Throw your phone in the ocean. Cause Ed Dodd is coming for all your third, fourth, and maybe fifth rounders.

• 16:35Speaker 00

  He's gonna take them all. Did you see, uh, Jonathan Taylor posted an Instagram picture of Skyline Chili?

• 16:42Speaker 02

  I did not see that.

• 16:43Speaker 00

  Maybe I got duped. Let me see. Let me see. Let me double check.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  That would be wild.

• 16:47Speaker 00

  That would be a wild one, huh? I'm very nervous that the Vikings might get Jonathan Taylor. That feels like that would be a problem.

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  If, if the, if the Bengals get Jonathan, I don't know how I would handle that. Like the, the Viking. You did? Okay. I was gonna say the Bengals with the run game would be, that'd be some crazy shit. And also doesn't like their, their owner doesn't really do many trades, does he?

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  Uh, no, I don't think so. Also, that would have been crazy for Jonathan Taylor to just post, uh, Skyline Chili. That would have been weird.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Did you see Nate Hobbs, Nate Hobbs of the Niners got dressed up as Dejounte Love for their Niners Halloween party?

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  Oh, that's sick.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

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  That's really sick. Um, all right. Is there anything else? I think that's it. Hank, you excited for more baseball?

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  Hell yeah.

• 17:35Speaker 00

  Yeah?

• 17:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  Is the, uh, I don't think we talked about it. Is the, is the grudge match video out?

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  Part one.

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  Part one? How is, just give a teaser. How did hole one go? Don't say anything else, but just hole one.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  Uh, part one is holes one and two, uh, and I'm down five.

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  Oh no. Five strokes?

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  Hank had a tough, tough, uh, couple of putts on the green. Yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  Wait, five bucks or five strokes?

• 18:01Speaker 04

  Five strokes.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Is this a new camera setup you got going on right now too? This is like Halloween, eerie Halloween spooky.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  I just turned off my TV once the game ended.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  That's, that's the difference. That's the difference.

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  Yeah. For a second there, you look like you're in a rap album.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Like, uh, at like a, a, a bonfire telling a spooky story.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  No, it's like, I got all my lights off.

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  Yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  In the, uh, in the, in the grudge match video, Hank surprised me by having Stu Finer show up. And I think Hank's technique was to put Stu Finer in my cart to annoy me, not, not understand that I love Stu and immediately vibe.

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  Yeah.

• 18:39Speaker 04

  No, I mean, that was just bringing Stu was just, just for vibes in general.

• 18:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, last thing about the World Series, I forgot to mention, uh, listen, we're not gonna pick on Rays fans because they're a little sensitive right now. They're down three, one.

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  Great. I'm gonna actually, you know what? I'm gonna say it. Credits to the trop. The trop has been very loud. The trop has been very loud. There's a, it's packed. It's, it's, it's full. Uh, not, not a seat, not an empty seat in the house. It has been rocking. Now, for what team? Let's just say it's been rocking. Let's just say the trop has been rocking. Put it on a quote card. Credit to Tampa Bay slash St. Pete. The trop has been rocking.

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  The towels swinging everywhere. The fans into every play. The booing on, on pickoff. It's just been great. It's been great to see. Those towels are so funny.

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  And, and the, the, I'll say this. When the walk off happened, you could tell how excited everyone was by how quiet it got. It was shock. It was just straight shock. Everyone's like, oh my God. I can't believe that. And I think they were doing a free giveaway in the, in the top of the 12 when Cooper Pratt hit his home run because the crowd went nuts for that. It must've been like free chicken nuggets or something.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Fish tacos. Yeah. It's fish tacos.

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• 22:31Speaker 00

  Monday night football. The fall for Eagles season is dead. Max, you were there. You fought. There was actually, I think that assess this statement, Max. If I told you before this game that Tanner McKee and the offense would score 21 points, you probably thought you, you'd won that game, right? Or at least close to winning that game.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the defense, you said you fought. The defense showed zero fun. They showed absolutely nothing. They are a bunch of children on the defensive side of the football with zero leader and zero determination to actually show any sort of heart in any way. They gave up on the season before that game started last night and they had zero interest of playing football. Jalen Carter's getting paid $160 million to do nothing, to do absolutely nothing. Baldy broke down a video. He wasn't even getting in his fucking stance.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I, I got a question about the leadership, Max. The leadership factor in that. Uh, what about Vic Fangio?

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Vic, I mean, Vic Fangio has enough body of work to, to give him benefit of, of the doubt. There's no leader on that defense. There's no leader on the field. Brandon Graham's not there anymore. I don't know. Maybe just because Jalen Hurts isn't in the locker room anymore. There's no leader on that team. Saquon Barkley went out, went up to the podium after the game and talked for the first time in a while and addressed the team of saying that no one's a leader in here. So I guess I gotta be.

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  He, I, I want to give credit to Saquon. He was very clearly hurt. And like even on the first play, he was, you know, came up a little.

• 24:11Speaker 03

  He was fighting his balls off.

• 24:12Speaker 00

  He wanted to be in that game. He was like, there was a moment with like, you guys were in your fifth string running back, sixth string running back. Saquon tried to get back in the game. They're like, dude, you can't go back in the game.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  He would go back in for the first play of every drive, break off like an eight yard run, have a good cut and then immediately go to the sideline and like try and like stretch out. I.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  He would have had like three 50 yard runs last night if he was healthy.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  I was just watching him on the sideline being, just watching him try to get in the game the entire time. It was so disappointing.

• 24:43Speaker 00

  But that's, that, that was the big story of the night is that the Eagles defense, because the Eagles offense is banged up. You, you, you're out, what? You're one and two, you're number one, you're number two receiver.

• 24:54Speaker 03

  We're out QB1, RB1, RB2, RB3, RB4, wide receiver one, wide receiver two.

• 25:01Speaker 00

  It sounds like he's doing like his, his drive through. That is there. I'll take, take one roast beef. You know what? Two, three.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  It's not what we're doing.

• 25:09Speaker 00

  Okay. Keep going. RB1, RB2.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  I already did it. You weren't paying attention. We're not doing it again. You were thinking about Arby's.

• 25:16Speaker 00

  I was thinking about Arby's. Uh, yeah. It's, the offense is bad, but we expect it to be bad. The defense still has all these dudes. And it's like, outside of Quinian Mitchell.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  He's the only one. He's the only one who showed up last night. Zach Bond is so disappointing. He's supposed to be the leader of that defense. He had what? Two tackles last night? He's getting fucking bodied at the line of scrimmage all night. Jordan Davis and, and Jalen Carter were nowhere to be found all night. They, the Cowboys rushed the ball 30 times for 200 yards, right down your fucking face and they can't run the ball. Cooper Dejean is nowhere. He fucking sucks now. Everyone is hyping him up to be like this next big thing. He's trying to get an extension this year and he just, he looks like he doesn't fucking care. He sucks. Jalen Carter, he sucks. Jordan Davis, he sucks. The edge rushers are terrible.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  Jonathan Grenard is nowhere. I get you're playing hurt dude, but just show something or don't fucking get out there. Don't do it.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  What about your head coach? What's Nick Sirianni doing? This is when he's, he's supposed to step up, right? Like leader men, Nick.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I don't know. The team, the season's over. The fact that we have to watch Commander's Eagles on Sunday night is such a joke.

• 26:36Speaker 00

  It's actually, it's disgusting. It's actually like, I want a class action lawsuit because it's, it's crazy that they done this to us and they had a chance to change it. And they were just like, no, we're gonna, we're gonna just hit the NFC East button again. It's nuts.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Yep. I, I think that what's going to happen now is, uh, we're going to get a lot of talk about the Dallas Cowboys. We're, we're going to get people to, we're going to get people to talk because they want it. They want a primetime game and people are going to look at the division and they're going to say, is this where Dallas starts to turn it on and makes a little bit of run? I can't wait for that discussion to happen.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  They gave up a lot of yards to an offense.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. They're a bad team. The Cowboys are a bad team. Don't be like, C.D. Lamb, awesome. Great player. Dak Prescott, C.D. Lamb, that connection is, is very fun. They're a good offense. They should be a good offense. They are a bad football team and I can't wait for people to start to say, like, this is when, look at the schedule. Dallas is going to put some wins together.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  Well, they could be a, they, I, I agree with you. It's going to be very funny to watch them. Anyone who says that they're like a, an actual threat to go to the NFC Championship game or Super Bowl is, is insane. They, they are definitely a threat to go to the playoffs because they're a bad football team that plays in a bad division. Although they could be, they could go to the playoffs.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  I, I was thinking about the Giants.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  I don't think, they're not a threat to win a playoff.

• 27:59Speaker 00

  No, no, but they are definitely a threat to go to the playoffs.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. They can, they can threaten the Giants.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. They, yes, that will be a battle that I think the Giants will end up winning because they've got a big head start. But, uh, yeah, anyone that, that looks at a primetime win against that Eagles team and makes anything mean anything about the Cowboys is, is, uh, insane.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  Do you think, do you think Dak even washed his jersey last night? He was not touched.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  Like if they played two. Nobody was touched behind the line of scrimmage. Zero QB hits, zero tackle, tackle for losses, zero sacks.

• 28:30Speaker 00

  If they played two and touch, it would have been the same thing. Yeah. It was crazy.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was, it was nuts. That game, Max, um, we should, do you think America could possibly boycott our game? I'm still going to watch.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  But I don't, we're going to be doing the podcast during this show.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  I don't think that anyone else should watch. I don't think that anybody outside of this room should watch that game. We need to ban it.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  That game stinks.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  It's bad for America.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  I don't know why they did this. They had, they had the chance to make it Brown Steelers.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  I think they couldn't do Brown Steelers.

• 29:01Speaker 00

  No, they could, I thought.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  They waited. They said because of the comeback in the.

• 29:06Speaker 00

  Second half from the commanders, they decided to keep it. I'm pretty sure I read that like they they were talking about doing it. And they made the decision after that game to to keep it with the commanders.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Sorry, I bet, you know, just another testament to that comeback and how great it was. But yeah, I apologize. Nobody should watch that game. It should be. They should put it on pay per view or it should air on only fans. It should not be. It should not be meant for a mass audience. It's gonna be disgusting. And then we're gonna have. Like, Torrico and Collinsworth try to gas us up as best they can. Try to make it. Way more meaningful sounding and it's just gonna be, it's gonna be a bummer of a watch.

• 29:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  It's gonna make me sad to watch that football game. So Max, we're done. You're done with the Eagles this year.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, they got, they got, they got nothing.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  We gotta have, we gotta have Bazooka Joe in the game.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  Bazooka Joe. Have some fun with it.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Or at the very, at the very least, Cole Payton.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  I would take Cole Payton.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Tanner McKee didn't play bad.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  He's.

• 30:04Speaker 02

  But he's not, he's not the answer. He's not, yeah, he's not fun.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  Oh, he missed that, that throw at the end of the, at the end of the first half. To Darius Cooper, just wide open in the middle of the field that would have sparked a, sparked a run.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  What, uh, what, uh, Max, did you see Big Dom?

• 30:26Speaker 03

  I did not see Big Dom, actually.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  I did. Where was he? No, he's on TV. Yeah.

• 30:32Speaker 00

  Did you see anyone?

• 30:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw Jason Kelsey.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  Nice. You say I don't?

• 30:36Speaker 03

  I said hi to him. He asked, he asked about my thoughts of how that game was gonna go. I was wrong about how I thought that game was gonna go.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  What was your analysis?

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Uh, I was like, today's, tonight's the night we turn it around. Last night was not the night we turned it, we turned it around. I was wrong. I was wrong about that analysis.

• 30:56Speaker 00

  No. Uh, okay.

• 30:58Speaker 03

  I also saw Pat McAfee. He, he.

• 31:00Speaker 00

  McAley?

• 31:01Speaker 03

  The McAley. He's all, he's all, he's all excited about that we were excited about the McAley.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  McAfee went to Philadelphia?

• 31:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  After they blew up the Chicken Man?

• 31:10Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. What's the Chicken Man?

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Like, that's gotta be a nerve wracking place to visit.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  No, Philly's a good spot.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  After that one guy was chilling out, Max, and all cool, and then a couple of guys that were up to no good started to fight.

• 31:23Speaker 00

  What about the robot that walked across the country? Oh, yeah. Hitchbot. What about Hitchbot?

• 31:27Speaker 03

  Fuck Hitchbot.

• 31:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, see, that's, oh, fuck.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  That could have been a disaster last night.

• 31:33Speaker 00

  Did you call him corny?

• 31:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  Okay, good. All right, so then we're good. We're on the right side of the wall.

• 31:38Speaker 03

  Everyone keeps, I don't even know about this story. Everyone, anything that happened yesterday did not happen.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  You're in birds mode, yeah.

• 31:45Speaker 00

  Anything that happened.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  Max, he locks out the news when the birds are on.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  McAfee's got a little dude to do right, going on right now with the state of Utah. It's a little dust up.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  Whatever.

• 31:54Speaker 00

  Little something.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  That's so something that is not going to cross my path.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  That's, what? That is something that you're literally the number one McAley rider.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, also.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  Also just.

• 32:04Speaker 00

  Utah.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  You have the internet.

• 32:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, you have the internet.

• 32:07Speaker 03

  I was not on the internet yesterday.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Just as a human being, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. You should be concerned about that.

• 32:16Speaker 00

  Like, when you're traveling on, getting on a plane, like, you don't open the internet?

• 32:20Speaker 03

  I was listening to podcasts.

• 32:21Speaker 00

  He was trending all afternoon. You can listen to podcasts and open the internet.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  Maybe you can.

• 32:30Speaker 00

  I guess, yeah. I'm, I'm skilled like that. Yeah. I didn't realize that.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  I can scroll the internet and listen to podcasts. Get you a man that can do both.

• 32:40Speaker 00

  By the way, you know, the happiest guy at ESPN right now is, is Dan Orlovsky because McAfee had a, a big day with the state of Utah. Orlovsky just got completely overshadowed with one of the most shockingly dumb things I've ever seen an adult male say. Was he joking?

• 32:58Speaker 02

  No. Okay, when I first heard him break this down, because he was talking about how he didn't know what percent meant. Can we, can we say what he said? Because I have no idea what you're talking about. There might be listeners out there who don't also know. Didn't know what percent meant.

• 33:11Speaker 00

  He asked.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  What percent?

• 33:12Speaker 02

  So here's, here's how it started. He did not understand what the term percent meant because somebody, one of the stats guys, told him that Joe Burrow's pressured on 4% of his drop backs. He did not understand that that meant four times out of a hundred.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  He's asked to dumb it down. He's like, what does that mean?

• 33:26Speaker 02

  He has an MVP vote. Also.

• 33:29Speaker 00

  And I love Orlovsky because he is a weird brain. He's just a weird brain guy, but just to be like, can you dumb down what 4% means? Like, how, what does that actually, like, break down to number wise?

• 33:39Speaker 02

  Like, I am dumb. I did not know, like, he has an MVP vote. That I did not understand that it meant. Percent. I didn't know the origin of the word percent meaning per hundred. Cent being a shorthand version of saying hundred.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  Obviously, I know that percent means out of a hundred.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  Obviously. I, I just, I just didn't know how that, the word percent was actually a combination of per and then hundred, and then you get the word P E R.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  By the hundred is the Latin.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, by the hundred. Obviously, I knew that it's out of a hundred.

• 34:16Speaker 00

  He didn't know it was out of a hundred.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  I started to think that's what Dan meant too. And then he kept talking about it. It was like, no, this dude didn't understand that it means out of a hundred.

• 34:25Speaker 00

  Oh. He's brutal. Max, you missed a lot yesterday. And by a lot, I mean, literally just like 30 minutes of the McAfee Show.

• 34:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 00

  Seems like it really happened on that 30 minutes.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  I'm gonna have to go back on that.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Can I, can I do a little tinfoil hat?

• 34:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  I have, just a tinfoil hat. It's not a take I'm ready to fully buy into. It's a thought that occurred to me.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  And if you're the thought police, you have to stop listening because freedom of speech. There's a lot of teams in sports over the last, I'd say, five years. There've been several very dominant teams that have had a great track record that have taken a notable step back in the last 12 months.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Why is that?

• 35:11Speaker 00

  Wait, say it again? There's notable teams?

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of teams, I'll, I'll give you some examples. In hockey, Florida Panthers, completely dominant, big step back.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  Well, they got injured.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Right. Edmonton Oilers, also a big step back.

• 35:23Speaker 00

  Not really dominant.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  In hockey, but I mean, ma- making it to the final.

• 35:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, McDavid can't win the big one, yeah.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Um, but Panthers, that stands. Eagles, Eagles defense in particular, it looks completely different. The Ravens have been a very, very good team. It just looks like they're all kinds of fucked up right now. Uh, you could make that same case maybe about the Chiefs the last couple. I'm gonna leave the Chiefs out of that one. Um, the Dodgers in baseball would be another one.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Like, 12 months ago, there started to be severe, severe, uh, supply chain issues when it came to performance enhancing drugs and peptide shipments coming to the United States. I just think it's interesting.

• 36:09Speaker 00

  So would the Knicks being 0-3 count for this?

• 36:13Speaker 02

  I would think that, that, no, uh, yeah, for the purposes of pissing memes off, yes.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  They're drunk.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  For the purpose of pissing memes off, yes, but for the sake of my argument, I would actually say the, the Knicks winning the championship might be an example of them beating a lot of teams that maybe had benefited from that sort of thing in the past.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  And the Knicks are clean, in my estimation.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Okay, sweet. So athletes can't get steroids and peptides?

• 36:39Speaker 02

  I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's gotten a lot harder to get the same stuff that they used to get very, very easily.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Got it. I feel like if anyone could still get the stuff, it's athletes and teams.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  And what does this have to do with McAfee?

• 36:51Speaker 00

  Maybe for normal people.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  I'm not saying, I'm not saying across the board, Hank. I'm saying that, like, there have been severe issues disrupting the supply chains. That makes it harder for anyone to get.

• 37:00Speaker 00

  Are you trying to get peptides? Are we still on the McAfee Orlovsky thing?

• 37:04Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 37:04Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, all right.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  Moved on from that. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, think about it. It's interesting that a lot of these teams that, that were kind of dominant and looked at as being at the top of their game, all of a sudden kind of fell off the charts a little bit. Just something I, again, I said tinfoil hat. Not ready to.

• 37:20Speaker 00

  You did say tinfoil.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Pablo, Pablo, you're listening to this. Just whenever anybody has a thought about something, ask Pablo Torre and let him do the rest of the work. Just think about it. You're not thinking about it, Hank.

• 37:32Speaker 00

  No.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 37:33Speaker 00

  I don't, I really didn't follow to the teams like.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  This is fun. This is so dumb.

• 37:39Speaker 00

  The Dodgers were in the NLCS.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Why?

• 37:41Speaker 00

  It's part in my case, dude.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  Saying that, like, every team who's good has to stay good forever?

• 37:45Speaker 02

  No, I'm just saying that.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  Every team that's good is good because of peptides.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  No, that's not what I, that's not what he said.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  There's not, if they were taking peptides, there's not a chance in hell that they couldn't still take those same peptides. I can fucking get peptides easily. You don't think professional athletes can get peptides?

• 38:03Speaker 02

  I'm not necessarily just talking about peptides, Max. I'm talking about.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  You said peptides.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  As an example of the entire performance enhancing drug supply chain.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  And Hank's right that if anybody could get it.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  Hank's right in thinking that this is so dumb what you're saying.

• 38:17Speaker 00

  I, Hank, I, unlike Hank and Max, am a supportive friend. And even when my friend has dumb thoughts, I say, hey.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  We let him talk about it for so long.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  No, I was fine.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  I, I, Max, shut the fuck up. Don't tell me you want to stop talking, you big bitch. This is fucking stupid of you to start yelling about this shit. What did you bring to the podcast today? Oh, the Eagles suck. I thought you were gonna be good.

• 38:38Speaker 00

  See the internet?

• 38:39Speaker 03

  You asked me a question, I answered a question.

• 38:41Speaker 00

  Used to be good. Now it's bad and that makes me sad. Wait, wait, PFT, let me do.

• 38:44Speaker 02

  Shut the fuck up, you stupid asshole.

• 38:47Speaker 00

  Oh, you guys are talking about the, the thing that went viral there? Oh, you know, you know, open up my phone.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  I didn't know about it. You asked me to talk about it. I gave an answer.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  PFT, you're right.

• 38:57Speaker 00

  Wizards.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  No, you're right.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, Wizards lost to the Hornets, so we're not gonna talk about the Wizards today.

• 39:02Speaker 00

  Oh, fuck. PFT, I'm, I'm with you.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Anthony Davis looks like he's okay.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  That didn't cross.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  He was looking at his hand at the end of the game, but he's okay.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  Pe- peptides and steroids, I'm with you, PFT. I'm now, I've, I've gone all, you guys forced me into, to agreeing with PFT on this.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  I'm not even saying I agree with me on this. I'm saying, I'm saying it's interesting to think about. I'm, I'm just putting the seed out there.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  It is interesting.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a thought that I had early this morning, and I thought about some of the dominant teams. And they look like shells of themselves. The Dodgers being one example, looking like shells of themselves in this postseason.

• 39:32Speaker 00

  I'm also naive, like, hand up, like, I, I, and I don't know how you're up to date on the, the supply, demand, trades and access to the, the steroid.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  Because you've never read the news in your life.

• 39:43Speaker 00

  That's a thing?

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:45Speaker 00

  That's a reported on thing, like?

• 39:46Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  To be fair, I don't read the news either.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, no, you don't even read the tabloids.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  I had one day.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  You can't, you can't consume two things at once.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  You had one day? You, you're, you're traveling for an entire day. You're like, I'm just gonna turn off my phone.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  I swear to God, I did look into more of it.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  And if you think I'm talking about.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  We were talking about McAfee last night and I was like, I have no idea what's going on.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  If you think I'm talking about standard peptides like, like you or I, that's not at all.

• 40:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not what he's talking about. Wouldn't that mean, and again, I'm on your side.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Anyone can get peptides right now.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  Again, I'm on your side, but wouldn't the elevated, like the really rich ones, those like rich people can get anything at any time.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably. Yeah, no, they'd still definitely be able to get a lot of the same stuff, but if there's a fucked up supply chain, it does make it a little bit harder for everybody.

• 40:34Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. Yep.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  All right. So back to McAfee real quick. Uh, no, I actually did have one last point on it. I, I think McAfee's probably feeling, uh, like he has been overworked. I think this is the downside of working as many hours as he does. You get agitated about shit that maybe was a little bit of an overreaction. He probably woke up today after sleeping in his own bed and was like, oh, I maybe overreacted that a little bit. He's, he's working too much. Honestly.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  I would probably agree. He's probably.

• 41:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  He's burning the candle at every possible end.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  The dude's fucking just.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  The video that he was upset about.

• 41:07Speaker 00

  Doing everything.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  The video that he was upset about was kind of funny. It was just people being like, yeah, I don't like Pat McAfee. He's like, fuck this state.

• 41:12Speaker 00

  I think it's an overreaction, but I don't think Pat's like a bad guy. So it's like, he had an overreaction. I think it's like, you are, you are literally just working non-stop. As someone who works a lot, like when we were during football season, we're always go, go, go. There are definitely times where I have like a reaction to something or a response to something. I'm like, damn, that was not like, that's just me being like a bitch overtired. You know what I mean?

• 41:36Speaker 03

  The funniest possible.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  You can get mad about someone talking about peptides.

• 41:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  Funniest possible thing is if somebody was like, we're going back to Utah for the holy war.

• 41:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:44Speaker 04

  I think they are.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  I don't think so. I think it's a, oh, maybe it's on ESPN, but I don't think so. I think it's the, that's the November 7th weekend with Notre Dame, Miami.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Cause McAfee pretty much said, if it's up to me, I'm never going back to that state.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  I think the one, uh, thing that McAfee, he, he, anyone can feel however they want to feel, maybe invoking a guy getting assassinated was probably off of a video of, of, of the word corny.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean,

• 42:10Speaker 02

  yeah, that's a fair thing to say. That's a very fair thing to say.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Maybe a little too far. Uh, do we, we didn't really talk, and we're going to do hot sequel to run in a second. We didn't really talk about Sunday night football. Hank, now that the time has passed, uh, do we think that was just a Seahawks are really good and make teams look bad performance? Or is it maybe the Chiefs aren't as good as we thought?

• 42:34Speaker 04

  I mean, the Seahawks have proven it.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, they know they, they.

• 42:36Speaker 04

  Since this, like the whole.

• 42:38Speaker 00

  They dunked on.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  Last year and this entire year is like their, their defense makes unbelievable quarterbacks look.

• 42:44Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Mediocre.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  They dunk on teams. They make teams look bad. I'm just asking a question about the Chiefs because the Chiefs, I think more, it's more if you could take away the Chiefs running attack, like who do they throw it to? And we'll find out when they play the Broncos, but it was just a shockingly bad. Mahomes and Chiefs performance.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  We all keep expecting the Chiefs to, to add somebody at wide receiver.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Cause they don't have any options whatsoever. So I don't know what the, what the names that might be on the trade block would be before the deadline.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  Um, but they, if, if the offense exists like this for the rest of the season, then no, I don't think they're going to win.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  I don't think that they can. It's not, it's not a knock against, uh, Mahomes or like anything about his, where his career is at right now. It's just, he, he literally doesn't have any weapons and the offensive line is a big question. I don't know if Simmons is ever going to play.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  He shouldn't have put his feet up.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Didn't put his feet up. And then he got into an argument with Andy Reid.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. About having his feet up.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then Andy Reid and Mahomes apparently yelled at Simmons. You can't yell at Andy Reid in that facility. Yeah. He's untouchable.

• 43:46Speaker 00

  I am definitely, I, I agree, Hank. Seahawks make everyone look really bad. My question was more, we're now at the point where we have enough of a, like a data set where it's like, you could look at teams and be like, all right, what's their best win? And when you look at the Chiefs, week one was maybe the aberration, you know, every, every time there's a week one weird game where the, the Broncos literally missed the most tackles of any team this year in one game. Their other four wins are Colts, Dolphins, Raiders, Chargers. Those are really bad teams. So I, that's why I'm excited for Sunday because like, if they beat the Broncos, then I'll be like, you know what? I was wrong. But if the Broncos beat them, are we going to start saying, hey, wait a second, are the Chiefs

• 44:29Speaker 00

  actually like all the way back? Or have they, did they have a nice little start to the season? You know, with a soft schedule to get Mahomes going.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, I don't know that we'd be able, I, I'm still going to have the same thoughts about them, even if they beat the Broncos, which is they don't have a wide receiver.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, I'll at least.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  Rashid Rice will come back.

• 44:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'll at least say, all right, I was, that's a, that, that's beating a quality playoff caliber team twice now.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  That would definitely go a long way of me saying like, hey, they're, they're going to be a, of a force in the AFC playoff.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  So Rashid Rice's hamstring, when is that, when is he getting back?

• 45:05Speaker 04

  It's week by week. I think it was possible this week, but obviously it got ruled out.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  So maybe this week, who knows? But it's not, he'll be back soon ish.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  They will look different when he's back. I would just like to see more than, because he hasn't proven that he can stay on the field. So. Uh, I would like to see something else from the Chiefs. I don't think that, I, I still, I trust in the defense. I think the defense is going to hold up their end of the bargain. I just think that, um, as it stands right now, I would not trust them to, to go far in the playoff.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. What, uh, in terms of, we're going to talk college football with Booger. Did you guys give any more thoughts to my, my take at the end of Sunday's show that the 24 playoff? And I know Hank, you, you were in a salty mood, so I, I throw it out. It was a tough, tough Sunday night for you. My, what?

• 45:51Speaker 04

  It was.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, my take that the 24 team playoff, it's starting to grow on me and I don't, I want to resist it. I want to throw it out. And it has nothing to do with the Badgers. It has to do with the fact that there are right now, if it's like, there's like eight teams in the SCC that I think are all really good. That have two losses that if they catch a third loss, they're probably not going to be in the playoff. And it's like, I want to see Trinidad Shambles play in the playoff. I want to see Kealan Russell play in the playoff.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  Here's the problem.

• 46:20Speaker 00

  I'm starting to, I'm starting, it's, it's, it's, my problem is I'm thinking about it in just this year where we actually have parity. Not years past where like two years ago, we had a 12-team playoff with only like three good teams.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Here's the problem is in theory, you're not, you're not wrong about this example, but in practice, what we're going to run into is in a 24 playoff, it's not going to be the best 24 teams in the country.

• 46:40Speaker 00

  Right.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  It's going to be the 24 teams in the country that ESPN has decided that they want to put on the air and for people to watch.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  That's what ultimately.

• 46:50Speaker 00

  But that's.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  When has college football ever done anything that isn't about money?

• 46:53Speaker 00

  Okay. So I don't really buy that because with 24 teams, you can't, it'd be very hard. Like the, the last three teams might be the teams they want on air. But you know who the top 20 teams are. That's not really like a, a up for debate. Oh, ESPN put them on because they want them on type of thing.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  I think that there would be a lot of motivation for ESPN to put the teams on that. Maybe wouldn't be looked at as being the best teams because of the, the financial.

• 47:19Speaker 00

  But again, we're talking about like the end of the rankings. You can't just make up a ranking to, to say, oh, this team that has five losses, Alabama has five losses. Let's put them at 24. Like you can't do that.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  No, but I think that there's going to be a lot, there's going to be a logjam in the 20 to 30 range.

• 47:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I don't care about that. Like, that's what I'm saying. I don't care about, I don't care about 20, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. I don't care about those teams.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  You care about.

• 47:42Speaker 00

  I'm talking about the, the, yeah, when we have 12, when, when like Ole Miss is right now 12th in the country. LSU is 15th in the country. Tennessee, I love watching Tennessee's defensive line. They're, they're 16th in the country. Like, I want to see those teams in the, like, I want to see those teams have a crack at it.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  And, and they do have a crack at it, but the problem is like, you have to keep the end of the regular season for the conference that it has to mean something. There has to be a lot on the line to really get the full chaos and the full amount of energy in the last five, six weeks of the regular season.

• 48:15Speaker 00

  No, but the, yeah. So again, this might be, just be this year, but this year it would work. This year it actually like, looking at the schedules, it would work. These games would mean a lot coming down the stretch. They mean a lot right now. But you'd have like.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  The conference championship games too? Like that's, that should mean something.

• 48:34Speaker 00

  Oh, I, I, that's gone. That, that shouldn't mean anything. I'm done with that. I've been done with that. They, they stopped meaning anything the minute we went to 12. That was over. So I'm, I'm fully done with, I'm actually, that actually might be the one thing that I can universally say, cause I'm still kind of wishy washy with whether I like the 24 teams. Universally, I love that we're done with conference championship. It, it means absolutely nothing. It used to mean a lot. It used to be awesome. Means zilch.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  It means, it means a lot less, but I, I do think that if you go to 24 teams, it's going, the, the regular season is going to feel different. There's going to be a lot of unintended consequences when you're watching these games. Every game.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  Upsides feel like less significant too.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:15Speaker 04

  When teams beat like a top five team and it's like, yeah, we ruined their season. Like they're, you know, our year hasn't been good, but we ruined our rivals' chances of making the playoffs. Like.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I see that part.

• 49:25Speaker 04

  Hat on. And this is like, oh yeah, we lost to like Minnesota, but we're fine.

• 49:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I see that part for sure. I don't know. Again, I'm, I'm just kind of, uh, I'm, I'm basically in a confused, uh, state of mind of trying to figure out who I am. If I'm, if I like the 24, I just, it, it hit me when I was watching Ole Miss, Texas, and I was watching Ole Miss lose. And I was like, I love watching Trinidad Shambles play college football. If Ole Miss catches another loss, there's a very good chance they're not in the playoff. And that's a bummer to me. That's really where it came.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  I agree. I like, I like watching Trinidad play football too. I think that 24-team playoff is very bad for the sport overall.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  I mean, and the, the best thing about it is we get to look at a bracket.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Looking at the bracket is going to be fun to do.

• 50:05Speaker 00

  Here's, here's my, I'll, I'll put a bow on it. My, I think we've already lost so much in college football that it's like, this is not going to really change much. That's where I've, I've landed it after like thinking about it that it's just, we've already lost rivalries, conference champions, all these things. It's like, whatever. We've, we've gone down this road. We've lost. The, the conferences are all fucked up. What's one more thing? Who cares? This isn't the straw that's going to break my back is essentially what I'm saying.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, we're going to keep watching.

• 50:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, all right. Should we do hot, see, cool throne? By the way, I, I'm going to look into this peptide steroid thing. I agree with you, PFT. Fuck Max and fuck him.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, think about it.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  They're just, you know what they are? They're just not free thinkers.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Also, I mean, there's, uh, I, I'm going to dive into it more.

• 50:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  Now, what you've encouraged me to do.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  Hear that, Max?

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Is to, is to look even harder into it. Besides the 40 seconds of thought that I put in thinking about the good teams that have now become bad.

• 51:02Speaker 00

  Which has never happened in sports before.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  And the supply chain.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  It's never happened in sports before, dude.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Also, one of your teams was the Dodgers who like.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Won two years in a row, then made the NLCS.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Uh, how bad was Shohei Ohtani?

• 51:16Speaker 04

  I mean, they ran into a buzzsaw.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  He got hurt, but yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Shohei Ohtani, but.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  But maybe that's why.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Peptides. That's what I'm saying.

• 51:23Speaker 00

  It's like you're on it, Max.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, their team was, it's not, their team wasn't just Shohei.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  I know, I'm saying, I understand that Hank. They were bad though. They were bad in.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  They made the NLCS.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Yes, but have you seen their lineup?

• 51:35Speaker 03

  I think they had like the third best record in baseball.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, have you seen their lineup?

• 51:38Speaker 00

  I think second, second best.

• 51:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, their lineup is stacked.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  They're all old though.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  A lot of the, a lot, a lot, a lot of these teams.

• 51:46Speaker 00

  Well, there's, I mean.

• 51:47Speaker 03

  Sometimes people get older.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  A lot of these teams got injured.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  What are you saying?

• 51:51Speaker 02

  A lot of these teams.

• 51:53Speaker 00

  Say it again. Say what you're saying. Say what you're saying.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  I was like, sometimes older teams get, once they get past a certain age, they get worse.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know what helps with that?

• 52:02Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Well, you guys are fixated on the peptides, not me.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  You said peptides.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  As a performance enhancing drug.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  You did say peptides.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  You know what we'll see? If, if LeBron James plays a full season this year.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Okay. Good. I, I like that.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Cause if anybody's got it, it's probably LeBron.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, yeah, he'll, he would never not be able to get his peptides or steroids if he did them.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Let's do, uh, Hot Seat Cool Throne. It's brought to you by Tick Pick. PMT is brought to you by our friends over at Tick Pick. So this Monday, the Eagles hosted the Cowboys at Lincoln Financial Field and Max was there on the field before kickoff, holding the flag. That's all through Tick Pick, the official fan experience partner of the Philadelphia Eagles. Max, how great was it standing? You saw the eagle fly over your head.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  The eagle is sick. I, I saw a lot of things last night. I don't think I've ever been more starstruck than, than seeing that eagle go right over my head while I'm on the 35 yard line, holding the American flag. It was, it was something. That was special.

• 53:02Speaker 00

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• 53:44Speaker 04

  Uh, my hot seat's WNBA.

• 53:46Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  They are playing game six of the WNBA finals.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  At 12:30 in the afternoon on Thursday because they did not schedule a potential, like they didn't know where they were going to play. The Hawks have a game at their arena. So the WNBA just had to like, they, they thought the Hawks were going to move their schedule. Like they were upset that the Hawks wouldn't reschedule their game so they could have their finals game at the, that arena.

• 54:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 04

  And instead of doing it in an arena where like, it's like a 5,000 capacity arena, they could have done it at the regular time. They chose to do 12:30 in the afternoon.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Which is 9:30 in the morning, right?

• 54:32Speaker 00

  For the Valkyries?

• 54:33Speaker 02

  For the Valkyries, for Golden State.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  For a diehard Valkyries?

• 54:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you're a, a Golden State Valkyrie fan, you, uh, you gotta wake up and watch, watch the W.

• 54:41Speaker 00

  You're fucked.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  It's bad. They should have just done it in a small gym. Like there's nothing wrong with playing in a packed ass, loud, small gym. It would probably, it would be better than if it was in, uh, I don't know what the attendance figures would look like.

• 54:53Speaker 00

  Well, 3,500 is their, is their arena.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:57Speaker 00

  And then like, I think they wanted some, but why, why didn't they ask Georgia Tech?

• 55:03Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 55:03Speaker 00

  Why didn't they ask Georgia? I know Athens is in Atlanta, but like, why didn't they, why didn't they ask a, a college?

• 55:09Speaker 02

  I, I don't know what the, the other options were, um, but it seems like it's a better option to play at a small ass gym with a shitload of energy than it would be to play at, at noon, when nobody's going to be able to make it to the game. If they're worried about ticket sales, one great way to make sure that nobody goes to the game is to do it at high noon.

• 55:26Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. I mean, hey, look, as someone who has a, a fake job, who can watch sports in the middle of the day, free sports, but yeah, I, this is crazy. I don't get it. I don't get it at all. At all. Are you gonna watch Hank?

• 55:43Speaker 04

  If it's on in the gambling cave and I walk by, I may have eaten lunch.

• 55:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 55:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  You're gonna bet on it?

• 55:52Speaker 04

  Probably not.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  I might bet on it. There's gotta be an angle to playing a game.

• 55:57Speaker 00

  I'm actually one.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  At 12:30.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  I'm one and O in the WNBA betting finals.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  They have sleepy legs? Maybe, maybe take the under?

• 56:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. Sounds good to me.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Not woken up yet?

• 56:08Speaker 00

  Wait, the craziest part is this, what's the series at?

• 56:13Speaker 04

  Three to two.

• 56:14Speaker 00

  Who?

• 56:16Speaker 04

  Not injuries, I think. Valkyries.

• 56:19Speaker 00

  Valkyries? I heard that if they, uh, if they win on Thursday, they're not going to be able to celebrate on the court.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Why?

• 56:32Speaker 00

  Because there's a game later that night.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  So no confetti?

• 56:35Speaker 00

  Like they're gonna like have to just get off the court pretty quickly.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  That's gonna be crazy.

• 56:39Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  Like no trophy ceremony?

• 56:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think, I think it's just like, you gotta get, they gotta, actually that is, I, I do kind of, uh, love watching like old videos when, in like the eighties, when teams would win a title and they would do the trophy ceremony in the locker room. There was something cool about that.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 00

  You know, like they're, they're like, they just give the Lombardi or give the Larry O'Brien in the, in the locker room as everyone's just pouring champagne on each other. I don't know.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  You get the champagne on the commissioner?

• 57:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. There was just something cool. There's something cool about that. So maybe they can recreate that.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  There's a phone on the wall in the locker room. The president calls.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  And the owner picks up the phone.

• 57:16Speaker 00

  Thank you, Mr. President. Hey, great job, buddy. Okay. What are you looking for, Max?

• 57:21Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm trying to find like, uh, what you're talking about.

• 57:24Speaker 00

  Do you not like, have you ever watched any old teams win a title?

• 57:28Speaker 03

  I've never watched like a trophy ceremony in the locker room in the eighties. No.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Oh, like look at when the Raiders won the, won the Lombardi. As Al Davis, I think.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  Look at like the Lakers.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  He was like suing the league.

• 57:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  And the commissioner had to hand him the trophy.

• 57:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. There's, I, I think even, even like the Cowboys, I feel like that's, that's a pretty iconic, like Jerry Johnson's standing on a makeshift thing in like the bowels of a stadium.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Hank, did you know this?

• 57:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. You, did you?

• 57:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the, the scene PFT is talking about is in like a documentary. Any sports documentary, the Celtics ones, like Larry Bird, Red Auerbach.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  A lot of the MLB ones. I feel like the MLB still does it sometimes. Like wasn't the, uh,

• 58:16Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 04

  Wasn't the Royals Giants?

• 58:19Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  That was in the locker.

• 58:20Speaker 00

  That was incredible. Yes. Yeah. I mean, like the, the, like the Bulls getting the trophy and the Bulls got the trophy in there as well. Like how, how have you never seen this, Max?

• 58:36Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  Hasn't come across.

• 58:37Speaker 00

  Did you not watch the last dance?

• 58:39Speaker 03

  I did watch the last dance.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Okay. And like the 90, like the, I don't know if it was for all six, but like, starts like 90, like, like the, like the first three Bulls trophies. I'm pretty sure at least one, I think they were all in the, in the locker room.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  I also don't know if that solves a problem for the, the WNBA teams because wouldn't the other teams need the locker room to start changing?

• 59:01Speaker 00

  There you go. Right there, Max. That's David Stern giving him the trophy in the locker room.

• 59:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  Okay. Uh, yeah, I don't know.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Like that would not, that would make for an uncomfortable scene too.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. I wish, I wish we still did that though. That, that was, that was always cool when it was just, and then, and then the commissioner would get sprayed with champagne.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:20Speaker 00

  The commissioner would be soaking wet and you'd have like Bob Costas standing in there.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. He'd get some of it too.

• 59:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like it would just be all in there. Okay. Cool throw.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  Um, a cool throw is this league. Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum. Lot of media back and forth. Scalabrine like might be on the hot seat. Uh, but we talked about it a little bit, I think on last Thursday, last Friday show with Jason Tatum. Uh, he put out like a three-part documentary on his YouTube page, like, you know, preseason vlog stuff where he talked about the Jalen Brown trade and how he didn't know and he called him right away. Then Jalen Brown commented on an Instagram post saying that's cap. Then Jalen Brown was doing media after their game this weekend, said that, and he said this three times. He thought it was an absolute banger. Uh, there's no beef, but there might be some lamb chops and some gravy.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  And Max thought that lamb was beef.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  Max thought lamb was beef. What, yeah. What was Max's quote? He's like,

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  Max said that lamb.

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  It didn't make sense because lamb is also beef. I wish he said, I wish he said pork chops or something.

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  No, he said, yeah, he said, uh, there still is beef because lamb is beef.

• 1:00:29Speaker 03

  I thought it was, I thought all red beef was, was.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  No, you can't say that. Don't say, you can't say red beef. That's the problem.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  All red meat was beef.

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  Hand up. I was wrong.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  Stay ready, always stay ready. Uh,

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like if we'd, what? Kluumak?

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  Breaking news.

• 1:00:48Speaker 00

  Kluumak?

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  Who?

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  Quinn Nelson has been traded to the Seahawks.

• 1:00:52Speaker 00

  Oh, fuck.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  Shit.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a great trade.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Congrats, Seattle.

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  Bad. That's, uh,

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  They might figure out how to run the football now.

• 1:01:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. They're fixing their run game.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:01:03Speaker 00

  Like that. Fuck.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  You know what? Good for Quentin.

• 1:01:08Speaker 00

  Fuck.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  I'm happy for him.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  He said he was going to fix everything for the Chargers.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  He was?

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. You're supposed to.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  That is true.

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Next year's.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Over two.

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  Oh, no. Zach is still sick, by the way. Uh, what, where were we? Oh, yeah. Max thinks that, uh, lamb is beef.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:01:30Speaker 00

  So is there lamb between the Sixers or between Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum?

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, pair. I mean, Ja- Ja- Jalen Brown is like, is really, really spinning this narrative or running with it.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  Scalabrine, though, yesterday was on a podcast, said that his sources said that Jalen Brown, like, requested to be trade, traded and or made a list of demands, like, if you don't do these things, then trade me. Uh, that got picked up yesterday. Jalen Brown's team, like, put out a statement saying that was not true. He did not request to be traded. Now Scal's in the hot seat because he had to basically backtrack everything that he said. Uh, so there, it's just a, it's a, it's not gonna go away. And I love Jalen Brown, but he's just like.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  When do you guys play?

• 1:02:21Speaker 06

  November 10th.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  Ooh, coming up.

• 1:02:23Speaker 06

  Coming up. I don't know where it is.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  That'll be big.

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:28Speaker 00

  But would you say there's beef or lamb?

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  I don't, I, I think it's like, I

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  believe that the Celtics front office, who like, I would, I would go to the end of the earth with and like, they are way smarter than me. Like, they knew that they couldn't keep both. They had to make a decision. They chose Jason Tatum for a multitude of, of reasons. Obviously, it's a hard decision. It's not saying Jalen Brown is bad. But I don't like Jalen, and Jalen Brown's rightfully upset, like, he's a competitor. He thinks he's, you know, the best. Like, Jason Tatum thinks he's the best. Like, that's what you want out of your two players. Like, you want them to have that feeling towards themselves and be confident. I don't think it's like Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown really like have personal beef.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  I think it's just like, you know, Jalen Brown Celtics, and that's like turning into Jason Tatum in some ways, but I think there's definitely beef between Jalen Brown and, and the Celtics organization for sure.

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  Okay. There's beef. And then the little side of lamb. Beef, beef between Jalen Brown, the Celtics organization, lamb between Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum.

• 1:03:36Speaker 04

  Now, it's just a rivalry. Like, you know, it's, it's a, it was a brotherhood. Now it's just like, it's, it's, you know.

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  Okay. Stay ready every, what did he say?

• 1:03:44Speaker 06

  At all times.

• 1:03:44Speaker 04

  Stay ready at all times.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  Is he, is he?

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  That's like, that's like, is he, that's like, that's like a Utah, is that a Utah situation for Jason Tatum?

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  Is that like an assassination threat?

• 1:03:55Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  For when he comes back?

• 1:03:58Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:03:58Speaker 00

  Jason Tatum has been accused of being corny.

• 1:04:00Speaker 04

  Stay ready at all times is like a pretty crazy, you know.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  It's a threat? Yeah.

• 1:04:06Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  So he might, we might have to, they might have to arrest Jalen Brown.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Is he doing it? Is he doing his streams and shit? Is he still talking about that?

• 1:04:17Speaker 04

  He's talking about what?

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Like, is he still openly discussing that sort of thing on his streams that he's doing?

• 1:04:22Speaker 04

  I haven't seen him stream this year. This is all just like in, uh, in post-game press conferences and stuff.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. I wonder if he's gonna break that back because I, I haven't heard anything about his, his streaming activities recently.

• 1:04:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right, PFT?

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  Uh, my hot seat is the Chargers.

• 1:04:36Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  Shane, the Chargers are on the hot seat.

• 1:04:40Speaker 06

  Quinn Nelson.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:04:44Speaker 06

  No Quinn Nelson now.

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  Why would you trade for?

• 1:04:46Speaker 06

  Oh, no, he's a free agent after this year. Now he's gonna get extended for sure.

• 1:04:50Speaker 00

  No, he's not.

• 1:04:51Speaker 06

  What do you mean?

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  That's not for sure.

• 1:04:53Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  Why is that for sure?

• 1:04:55Speaker 06

  Because the Seahawks need interior offensive line help and they just traded for him?

• 1:04:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily.

• 1:05:00Speaker 06

  A third and a fifth, I said.

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  All right, that doesn't guarantee, but yeah, they might extend him.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  So he was gonna solve everything?

• 1:05:06Speaker 06

  Him and Jeremiah Smith combo.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  More likely that he would get to the Chargers and then he'd get injured?

• 1:05:14Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, people are apparently interrupting Madison Beer concerts.

• 1:05:19Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  Doing what?

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  Being like, uh, what can you do to fix the Chargers?

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:05:26Speaker 06

  She was doing a Christmas concert at Disneyland.

• 1:05:28Speaker 00

  And?

• 1:05:29Speaker 06

  And someone asked, told her to fix the Chargers. And she was like, no, man. Jeremiah Smith is coming.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Oh, she said that? That's good.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  I don't think she said that. Oh.

• 1:05:37Speaker 06

  She didn't per se say that, but her face.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  But her facial, her facial expression said Justin Herbert is coming. That's what I've seen.

• 1:05:46Speaker 00

  Hmm. No, man.

• 1:05:47Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:05:50Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:05:51Speaker 00

  It's like, fix the Chargers.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  I don't know what.

• 1:05:53Speaker 06

  It's like, nah. It's like Colin Coward. Jeremiah's coming.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't think that's on her. I'll say that. Although I did appreciate Justin Herbert drinking a lot of beer.

• 1:06:02Speaker 06

  Didn't work out for Colin Coward.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  On the bye week.

• 1:06:03Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:06:04Speaker 06

  No. I'm, I was just saying it was like the meme.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  And they are, yeah. The Chargers, the Chargers being the only winless team right now is, it's just a tough look for them.

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:15Speaker 06

  Yes, it's. But it was a bye. We won the bye, so.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  So what, what's next on your list for how, how the Chargers are gonna get fixed next year now that, uh, Quentin Nelson, that was the big piece?

• 1:06:27Speaker 06

  Quentin Nelson was the piece. Uh, unfortunately, we'll probably have to trade Khalil and some other pieces to, to get some picks and preferably I'd like, like the GM to sign offensive linemen and then draft good players. That's the key to everything.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  Okay. Interesting. Very interesting.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  All right. You got a cool throne?

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, my cool throne is, uh, internet invitational. It's out. Episode one came out. I'm not sure, when's episode two dropping?

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  Thursday.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  Thursday. Coming out on Thursday. Episode one's out. We do the draft. Uh, first round is in there. Got to play with my guy Callum, Calix from the, uh, from the Sidemen over in UK. Zach was actually really pumped that he was, uh, the guy that I got, I got paired up with in the first round. Um, but yeah, it was, it was a very fun time. Um, glad that we can finally start to talk about it a little bit because the storylines are gonna start to unfold over the next couple of weeks. And yeah, shout out, shout out LeBron, who's probably watching.

• 1:07:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Appreciate your viewership, LeBron.

• 1:07:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, thank you, LeBron. Uh, okay, my hot seat. Uh, we talked about it briefly on Sunday, but Michael Bidwill, that fucking asshole for the Arizona Cardinals, who owns the Arizona Cardinals. I've done a little bit more research. This guy is the worst. And I feel awful for Cardinals fans because Cardinals, the Arizona Cardinals are one of, I don't know, top five, uh, least relevant organizations. And I don't say that in a mean way. It's just the facts. They've been to the playoffs, I think, seven times in a hundred plus years. And Michael Bidwill is the reason for this. The Bidwill family. This drives me insane. This guy doesn't wanna own an NFL team. He doesn't wanna spend the money to own an NFL team.

• 1:08:09Speaker 00

  He wants to own an NFL team, say he owns an NFL team, cheap out on everything and screw over the fans. They, he, he does exactly what you'd expect. Uh, one, the, uh, so I was looking into it. They used to have incredible, uh, training camp in Flagstaff where the fans could go. Awesome scene.

• 1:08:31Speaker 06

  Flagstaff rocks.

• 1:08:31Speaker 00

  Flagstaff rocks. Seventy-five hundred fans would be able to go see it. Like, this is, these are the touch points that fans need for an organization where it's like, hey, I can't afford to go to a game. Let me go to training camp. Let me bring my kids to training camp. Ended that. Now they just do it in their, in, in their stadium. Like, just said, Flagstaff didn't build this new facility. We're done with that. He created these casitas that are go for like $250,000 in the end zones. Now he has like a Club Rojas at the 50 yard line. Essentially, every single chance he's got to push the common fan away from the seats that they've had for years and years and years. He's done for corporations and it, they're empty.

• 1:09:09Speaker 00

  Like, I saw a picture of it. The things sit empty, but he does it because all he cares about is, is like the corporate greed and, and, and squeezing every single cent out of this team. He, they always fail the NFLPA report cards. Always. They're F on everything. I saw one, one, uh, story that, uh, who was it? I think it was one of a former, oh, they, they, the year they went to the Super Bowl? Any, any staff members that left after, because you went to the Super Bowl, so there's some assistant coaches that got new jobs? He just didn't pay them their bonuses. He was just like, fuck you, you're out of here. Uh, we also had, uh, this was Robert Griffith, who used to play the safety for the Cardinals.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  Get this. He, uh, he said that on Tuesdays, when there was no one in the facility, the players weren't in the facility, he would put, Michael Bidwill would put a lock on the Gatorade fridge in the locker room. So people couldn't take extra Gatorades. And then this is the part that's like, this guy is a piece of shit. Get the fuck out. I stand with all the fans, the Arizona Cardinals fans, who've been tortured by Michael Bidwill, who has never done anything, who's never won anything. They've gotten a couple lightning in a bottle seasons. Carson Palmer, uh, Kurt Warner, Jake Plummer, but then it's just nothing. This is, is the one that's nuts. So Robert Griffith, when he signed with the, uh, Cardinals,

• 1:10:35Speaker 00

  the Cardinals sent him a FedEx with the contract. And it was like a check for $500,000 was, uh, what he was getting paid, right? The check was supposed to be for $500,000. The check was for $499,985, or $985.89. You know why that was, PFT?

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:11:00Speaker 00

  Because Michael Bidwill took the FedEx charges out of his check. That's how fucking cheap this guy is.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  That's insane.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  That's

• 1:11:11Speaker 00

  You're a billionaire NFL owner. Sell the team, dude.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  Also, the players might be afraid to go to work on Sunday. Cause they haven't won a game in their home arena since Charlie Kirk's funeral.

• 1:11:24Speaker 00

  That's true. That's true. I also

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  It took place there.

• 1:11:28Speaker 00

  I also got into a little deep dive of they might be a cursed franchise, actually cursed. So back in 1925, there was no NFL championship game. The team with the best record was declared champions on December 6th, 1925. The Pottsville Maroons beat the Cardinals 21-7 in Chicago to clinch the best record in the NFL and therefore were the unofficial NFL champions. But the Maroons were suspended by the league for playing an exhibition game against Notre Dame in Philadelphia on the grounds that this exhibition game violated the Frank Frankfurt Yellow Jackets territorial rights. This is insane. As a result, the Cardinals scheduled two more games against the Milwaukee Badgers and Hammond Pros. The Badgers had substituted high school players on their roster, letting them clinch

• 1:12:13Speaker 00

  the best record in the league and therefore the NFL championship. And this was, the Bidwells have owned it forever. So after the season, the Cardinals owner, Chris O'Brien refused to accept the 1925 championship, saying it was awarded unfairly. So the Cardinals added two games. Owner said, okay, we're not actually going to take this championship because it's not fair. But when the Bidwells bought the team in the 1930s, they accepted the championship. To this day, the Cardinals have been one of the least successful teams in NFL history, having only seven playoff wins since 1925, three of which came in 2008. Give back that 1925 trophy.

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's pretty, that's pretty disgusting that they did that.

• 1:12:57Speaker 00

  They bought a team and they're like, actually, we are going to take this.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  So, yeah, his name was, the original owner was Charles Bidwill. His nickname was Blue Shirt Charlie.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  And he ran a racing stable, a racing, a racehorse. So he's a racehorse guy.

• 1:13:12Speaker 00

  I do love, by the way, when you go through the NFL history and everyone's like disgusted that gambling has become synonymous with the NFL and drafting and stuff like, dude, just do a little history lesson on how the league started because a lot of these guys were horse racing, bookies, all that stuff.

• 1:13:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, so I guess maybe I'm reading this wrong, but he, so he made his money in horse racing and then he bought shares and he loaned, he loaned money to George Halas.

• 1:13:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  To keep it afloat. And then essentially he's like claiming titles and games won while his money was still out on the street. He's like, that's my, because I, I loaned you.

• 1:13:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  He's a loan shark.

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. And they think, it's just fuck this Bidwill guy. Fuck the family. Fuck, I mean, the Cardinals fans, I know they might not be the, the strongest fan base. There's a lot of transplants that live in Arizona, so their home crowds have it tough. I get all that, but there's still a strong, like, you know, dedicated, diehard group of fans and they get screwed over by this guy. He's, he's, he's cheap. He doesn't want to win. They don't, they don't hire the right people. He's been like investigated for a million different things. They always get Fs. Sell the team. All right. I, uh, I don't have a cool throne because that was a lot. I talked too much. Oh, cool throne, Eaxel Lindenberg. He's really good.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's off to a good start.

• 1:14:30Speaker 00

  Stephen Chase said that he is, uh, the NBA Rookie of the Year and it's not even close.

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  That's fair.

• 1:14:37Speaker 00

  Three games, but yeah, not even close. He is averaging 21, nine and four.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  Caleb Wilson.

• 1:14:42Speaker 00

  Caleb Wilson has been very good, but the problem is the Bulls stink.

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:47Speaker 00

  Stink. So it's hard to win Rookie of the Year when your team stinks.

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  Caleb Wilson's good.

• 1:14:51Speaker 00

  He's really good.

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  He's fun.

• 1:14:53Speaker 00

  I, like I said on, we were talking about it off air. Bulls just got to find a way to find like two more Caleb Wilsons and then we'd be cooking.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  He's just, he's just the most athletic dude on the court.

• 1:15:02Speaker 00

  He's got it and he's everywhere on the court he can score from and it's fun to watch, but the team is bad. All right. Anything else from the booth? Cause Zach's out.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  Shane.

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  Sorry for the long-winded Bidwill, but I fucking hate these type of owners. They're just the worst. They absolutely drive me insane. They screw over the fans time and time again and no one speaks up about it and it just drives me nuts. They don't care about winning. Get someone who cares about winning. Shane.

• 1:15:30Speaker 03

  Shout out the Devils, Connor Hellebuyck.

• 1:15:32Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:15:32Speaker 03

  Trade.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:15:33Speaker 03

  Shout out them.

• 1:15:34Speaker 00

  Nice. Nice. Okay. Cool.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Um, we're going to talk to Booger a lot about college football. I have a question for you, big cat. Cause I, I watched a lot of games this weekend.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Speaker 02

  There was, there's a lot of bad football on TV.

• 1:15:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  But there were some very exciting games too.

• 1:15:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  Is Lenora Sellers good is my question. That's my prompt for you because I've, I've gone back and forth the last two years watching him. And thought to myself, this guy is the best player on the field and then thought to myself, this guy sucks. And it's like week to week.

• 1:16:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  But when he's good, it feels like he's awesome. It feels like he's the best guy. So I, I don't know. My, my question is just, is Lenora Sellers good?

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  I don't know the answer to that, but I will say Lenora Sellers does things that very few, if not anyone can do. That touchdown he scored with that second effort against Tennessee. I don't know another quarterback that can do that. Like that was the strength, body control, everything involved was insane. And when he's on, when he looks good, he looks great. So I think it's to be determined, but also yes. Is that a good answer?

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  I think he's good.

• 1:16:42Speaker 00

  To be determined, but yes.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  I think he's good, but sometimes good players have bad games.

• 1:16:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  He's a good player that will have a great game.

• 1:16:50Speaker 00

  Look at, scroll up Max, if you're looking for the touchdown that I'm talking about. This is, this is the, the effort. It was, he had like, he was, he was already slowed down and then had a, a defender running full, full speed at him to like push him back and he still was able to find a way in. He's, he's very fun. This is kind of another one of those, I don't want to do the 2014 playoff thing because, but South Carolina is one of those weird teams where it's like, they could beat anyone on any day. They could also lose and look absolutely terrible and be a garbage team, but what a fucking effort.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  That's, he's so good.

• 1:17:29Speaker 00

  That's a man right there, Max.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  He's good.

• 1:17:31Speaker 00

  What? What can you say, Max?

• 1:17:34Speaker 03

  Now I got nothing.

• 1:17:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, nothing?

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  I got nothing.

• 1:17:36Speaker 00

  Nothing?

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  I'm thinking about something, but I'm not ready to say.

• 1:17:38Speaker 00

  Say it. Real quick. Say it.

• 1:17:41Speaker 03

  What if in the 2014 playoff, I saw someone talk about this online and I like the idea. If you make the Big Ten and the SEC championship, like the second round of it.

• 1:17:54Speaker 00

  How?

• 1:17:57Speaker 00

  This is why you weren't ready to say it.

• 1:17:58Speaker 03

  That, yeah, I wasn't ready to say.

• 1:18:00Speaker 00

  No, I agree.

• 1:18:01Speaker 03

  So you, you put me into a spot that I wasn't ready to go into.

• 1:18:04Speaker 00

  I agree. Cause I'm trying to think about it and I don't, I don't know how.

• 1:18:08Speaker 03

  I may have bookmarked it. I probably didn't.

• 1:18:10Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't know what.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  But wouldn't that also ensure that like two very, very good SEC teams and two very, very good.

• 1:18:16Speaker 00

  They would never agree to that.

• 1:18:17Speaker 03

  No, but it's in the playoff. They get.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  I understand that's a playoff game.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  Finish in the top two, you get a bye. I forget how it went.

• 1:18:25Speaker 00

  Okay. Cool.

• 1:18:26Speaker 03

  I wasn't ready to say it. I wasn't ready to say it. This isn't my fault.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  The leagues would want their best two teams playing against each other and then having one be eliminated early on in the playoffs.

• 1:18:34Speaker 03

  No, but it would be, they get, the winner of that is in the final four.

• 1:18:39Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:18:41Speaker 03

  Don't like that either.

• 1:18:43Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  I wasn't ready to say it.

• 1:18:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  This isn't my fault.

• 1:18:48Speaker 00

  No, it's not. All right. PFT. Uh, uh, let's do the ads and then we'll get to Booger.

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  Okay. We now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is our dear friend, Booger McFarland, on to talk some ball, some college, some NFL. Boog, always great to see you. I feel like we're right in that, that sweet spot of the football season where we figured out a lot of things, but we still have a lot of football left. Do you want to start with college? Cause college has been fantastic.

• 1:21:36Speaker 07

  Well, first of all, let's start with some housekeeping.

• 1:21:38Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:39Speaker 07

  Number one, um, make sure you make a note to send me, send me the book because I still haven't got my copy of the book.

• 1:21:45Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  Done.

• 1:21:46Speaker 00

  On it.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Done.

• 1:21:47Speaker 00

  On it right now.

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  Are you going to read it or you, do you just want it?

• 1:21:50Speaker 07

  No, I'm going to read the book. Anything with my face is on it. I'm definitely going to read it.

• 1:21:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:54Speaker 07

  I got people, I got people coming up to me at restaurants. Telling me, man, it's so cool that you're on the book. I'm like, yeah, it would be cool if I could see it. So just so you know, uh, your people and my people are vibing and uh, I get contacted at restaurants from total strangers, but it's cool that your demo feels very comfortable coming up and having conversations with me. Because sometimes it'll just be like four or five, like dudes at a table and there's just this random middle aged white guy just pops up and starts interrupting the conversation. Hey, man, I just love you on Pardon My Take. And I'm like, you know what? Those are my guys, man.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, those are people. Yeah, they're very, they're very low filtered when it comes to interrupting dinners.

• 1:22:39Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  A hundred percent correct. Yeah.

• 1:22:41Speaker 00

  I'm buying it right now. By the way, I'm buying it right now and sending it to you. So that will be done. You'll have that within, I don't know. You probably with Amazon, you'll probably have a drone, you know, drop it into your pool later on today. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So any other housekeeping?

• 1:22:56Speaker 07

  No, we're good. Let's, let's do it.

• 1:22:58Speaker 00

  All right. I've been, I've been working out. I've been, I've been lifting. I've been walking. The results are going to take a little bit of time. I'm not going to do like a big torso reveal until maybe Super Bowl week, but I just want to let you know I am taking care of myself.

• 1:23:11Speaker 07

  As it, as it pertains to the walking, is, is this level walking or are we doing like uphill incline walking? Like, give me a little breakdown of this walk.

• 1:23:20Speaker 00

  The walk right now has been uh, just in my neighborhood because it's been an unbelievable October in Chicago. And I want, I'm trying to get outside, knowing that the winter's on its way. When I'm on the treadmill, I do a little bit of incline. I go about, I do incline at 11 and the speed's at like 3.3. Try to get like a mile and a half, two miles in.

• 1:23:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:23:45Speaker 00

  How's that?

• 1:23:47Speaker 07

  I love it. I would just add one thing for you that will, it's going to seem a little weird and, and you'll probably not want to do it because it's going to attract a lot of attention. When you're walking, especially if you, if you're walking in like an open area or you whatever in a park in Chicago, walk backwards for like 20 seconds, turn around, walk forward for like 30 seconds and, and alternate walking backwards. Whole different feel, buddy.

• 1:24:10Speaker 00

  Okay. Okay. I like that. Yeah, that's gonna look stupid. I'm gonna look really stupid. Yeah. All right. Let's, let's, yeah, already looks stupid. All right. Let's talk some college football. So this past weekend, we were, we were joking about it on, on Monday's show. What I love about this season in, in college football is it feels like every week has a theme or has a main character. Two weeks ago, it was the SCC because we had Georgia lose and Alabama lose and all this stuff and it was, you know, Tennessee gets the big win. This week it was the big 12 with, you know, BYU losing to UCF and the Utah Houston game and just chaos everywhere.

• 1:24:53Speaker 00

  In your mind, and I want to start with the big 12, how many, how many teams in the big 12 are, are going to be in the playoffs? And do you think they actually have a chance to go, you know, like deep? I'm talking semifinals, finals, like Texas Tech lost to Cincy. It was a crazy big 12 weekend.

• 1:25:11Speaker 07

  I, I, I think when you look at the big 12, I, I think top of mind, you know, the top teams that we look at BYU, Utah, Texas Tech, like to me, those are going to be the teams that are going to be right there. I think that, you know, Houston, Connor Wigman, Willie Fris, they're doing an outstanding job there, but they just follow, follow, they feel a little short to Utah. Texas Tech losing to Cincinnati. I think when it's all said and done, I think you're going to wind up BYU is going to be the best team in the big 12. It's just something about a guy wearing number 47 playing quarterback, Bear Bachmeier. I don't put much on the loss. Yeah, they lost to UCF. That's a tough trip, man.

• 1:25:53Speaker 07

  To go 2,000 miles from Provo, Utah to Orlando, Florida. I got news for you fellas. It's still 85 and sunny here in Florida. All right. Those guys who came from Provo, Utah, they hadn't felt humidity probably in the last two years and it was warm. The bounce house was moving. And so that, that was, if there's any such thing as a good loss, I don't look at that loss as a bad loss because they walked into a hornet's nest. Uh, I like what Utah is doing, Devin Dampier. I think the holy war is going to be something fierce. When you talk about BYU and Utah, but I think in the end, I think BYU is the best team uh, in the big 12. I think Texas Tech is not what we thought they were going to be uh, just repeating last year to this year.

• 1:26:39Speaker 07

  Just not the same defense, I think. Uh, I'm not sure that Will Hammond uh, is, is, is as good as what they had last year, the quarterback position. So I'm going to lean toward BYU.

• 1:26:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're right about, you're right about Texas Tech. It's, it's not only like offensively, they're not the same. But yeah, like the, the loss of like a David Bailey, Rodriguez, like all these guys that were just, we, we kind of took for granted. Cody Campbell is going to be able to go and just pluck these guys all around the country. It's like, no, that was a pretty special defense last year with some really good pros and, and to replicate that's very difficult to do.

• 1:27:15Speaker 07

  Completely agree. And by the way, how about Cody Campbell just goes to Twitter and just says, hey, we shouldn't be losing to Cincinnati. It, it's amazing, you know, when you got the money, you can, you know, you, you can say whatever you want to say, right?

• 1:27:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Big time.

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  What about, what about the big 10? Because I feel like nobody really knows who the best team in the big 10 is with saying being knocked out. Who know, he might be out for a couple of weeks, might be out, I guess indefinitely now is what the word is. But if it's not Ohio State, who is the team from the big 10? Cause I don't think that there's a dominant team in the big 10 right now.

• 1:27:48Speaker 07

  No, there's no dominant team. I, I, you know, in situations like this where the teams are so close, I'm going to lean toward the team that I think has the best coach and that's Indiana. Although Signetti seems so pissed off with Josh Hoover, it's unreal. Uh, he was like, I should have benched him this weekend. And I know there's some injury concern and I get all that. Uh, saying to me seems like Ohio State is going to probably take a step back. Julian saying, I don't think he plays again this year, guys. Uh, I think if you look at the elbow, it seems very similar to what Carson Beck had and Carson Beck couldn't throw a ball for nine months. I don't know if it's the same, but it just seems similar to me. I think Indiana is the best team in the big 10. I think UCLA and what Bob Chesney are doing. How about that head of hair, by the way?

• 1:28:33Speaker 07

  People in Penn State wish they would have pulled the trigger on that deal, but that's a whole different story. I think Indiana, I think UCLA, just because they understand who they are, their identity is really good. You know, I'm not discounting Ohio State, uh, depending upon what Ryan Day can do at the quarterback position. But I think right now I would lean toward Indiana, UCLA. I love way, and, and I know they may not win the big 10, they're probably not, but I love what Chip Kelly Northwestern is doing, man. It is, it, it is phenomenal. I texted Chip and I simply said, hey, can you come up with any more run plays in the A gap? Like every time I look up, you're just running up the A gap somewhere. He's got so many different formations.

• 1:29:15Speaker 07

  Northwestern is playing really good football. I think those are the team and, and Michigan. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not saying Michigan is, is, is, is competing, but I will say this. I like this version of Michigan with Tommy Carr better than I did the version of Michigan with Bryce Underwood. And I know, I know Portnoy may not like that, but to me, Tommy Carr is a better quarterback at this stage than Bryce Underwood.

• 1:29:44Speaker 02

  It seems they haven't mentioned, what about, what about Minnesota? It seems like they're really rallying behind their coach. Who's kind of, you know, he's putting everybody in front of him. He doesn't need the spotlight. He's like, you know, gather around guys. This is going to be about you. It's not about me. Uh, and we're all about the golden gophers here, not about the, the name on the front of the coach's office. Been fun to see.

• 1:30:04Speaker 07

  I love it. I listen, hey, PJ Fleck, baby rode the boat. I love it. I love, I listen, I'm not a boat guy, but I don't mind it. I'm definitely not going to roll the boat. I'm going to put a motor in the back of it and let the motor put the boat forward. So, but as far as Minnesota, Minnesota has some good wins, man. Like so far, um, I love what Minnesota is doing. I just don't know if they have the top end talent to be able to compete when it's, when you start talking about competing with Indiana. When you start talking about competing with Ohio State, UCLA, like those are the top teams in the big 10. But Indiana is having a nice year. Nothing against, listen, nothing against Indiana. Um, there's some football left to be played and Indiana is going to get their opportunity. Uh, they're going to have to prove me wrong though, as far as I would lean toward the other teams.

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. And would, uh, would you consider Oregon to be the biggest disappointment this year?

• 1:30:54Speaker 07

  Yeah. I mean, when you think about cost of roster relative to expectation, relative to reality? Yeah. 100%. Um, and the fact that the head coach is firing the offensive coordinator, the fact that they have three losses already, the quarterback is not coming back, which I don't blame him. I mean, he, he was knocked out. There's no need. For him to come back this year on a team that's got three losses and Dan Lanning like someone made this statement and you tell you guys tell me if you if you think this is true. I didn't say this. I heard it. Let me preface.

• 1:31:27Speaker 00

  I like this.

• 1:31:28Speaker 07

  Someone said, someone said Dan Lanning is the James Franklin of the of the West Coast.

• 1:31:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. Right now it's it's it's feeling that way because listen, he's had incredible years, but they've always lost when it comes to playing the big game, when it comes to the playoffs, or you know, that that big moment, they've gotten embarrassed. And what happened to James Franklin last year? What happened was he started losing the small games too. And Dan Lanning losing to an Illinois team that has been really, really bad this year. Uh, that like, he had Dante Moore out for the rest of the year. He's not coming back, which I cr- listen, I have no problem with that. I think he's probably making a smart decision of like, hey, this season's over. Uh,

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  I would just say that like, it's a, that's a little disrespectful to, to James Franklin because the body of work that James Franklin put into losing the big games, the track record there was 11 years. Dan Lanning's a flash in the pan compared to James Franklin. Let's, let's pump the brakes on that.

• 1:32:25Speaker 07

  Well, he, he's been there what?

• 1:32:26Speaker 00

  Four years? Five years? Yeah.

• 1:32:27Speaker 07

  Five years?

• 1:32:27Speaker 02

  Four years. I think he's been there four years and, and I think James Franklin was at Penn State 11 years. All I'm saying is just like a little respect for, for the body of work that, that Coach Franklin put out there.

• 1:32:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:38Speaker 07

  Yeah. I mean, Ja- James Franklin was like, he was what? Oh, at one point he was like 0-10 against everybody, uh, uh, 0-10 against Michigan in, uh, in, in Penns, in, uh,

• 1:32:47Speaker 00

  Ohio State. No, no, he had that one win. Remember? It was that one win that he like kept on going back to. I think it was like 2016 or something. The one win. I, the one thing I love about, uh, right now in the, in college football and like kind of the parity that we have, it feels like we're getting to a point in the schedule where there's just a lot of elimination games. Like, we're talking about the Big 10. By the way, I think Indiana is still the, the class of the Big 10. I know Hoover's been disappointing. Their defense is a top, top, like whatever you want to call it, top three defense. They'll be in every game and they can get Hoover to kind of figure out a little bit because they have the wide receivers. But Wisconsin, my badge was playing Iowa this weekend, both two lost teams. The winner of that game, the door is open because

• 1:33:31Speaker 00

  I do think that we're in a world where a two-loss Big 10 or SEC team is almost automatically in.

• 1:33:39Speaker 07

  I wouldn't say automatically. I think if you get to 10-2, then you feel really comfortable going to sleep at night about the playoff. I think there's going to be one, maybe two 9-3 teams, but those, those two teams are going to come from the SEC in the Big 10. Now, who they are, I'm not sure. I think if you can get to 10-2, you feel really good. 9-3, boys, going to be some sleepless nights because now you're depending upon what happens in, in other situations, what happened in, in, in other games. Let me throw this to you out since we're, since we're on the record. Let's say Notre Dame loses to Miami and Notre Dame is 10-2.

• 1:34:16Speaker 00

  I think they're out.

• 1:34:16Speaker 07

  I know they have the provision that if they're in the top 12, they're in the playoff.

• 1:34:20Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:34:21Speaker 07

  Do you think, do you think a 10-2 Notre Dame, losing their two biggest games of the season to BYU and Miami, you think they get in?

• 1:34:28Speaker 00

  I think that it will weirdly come down to a team that I have very little faith in. Uh, the, the Notre Dame will not control their own destiny. It will all come down to SMU. It's, if SMU can get to the Notre Dame game with only one loss and potentially, because I think they have Wake Forest coming up, SMU could potentially be a top 10 team, giving Notre Dame another chance for a big win. That might be how they get in. If SMU loses to Syracuse or loses to Virginia Tech or loo- it's, if that matchup, SMU versus Notre Dame isn't, is unranked SMU, I think Notre Dame's going to have a hard time getting in with two losses

• 1:35:10Speaker 00

  and the, basically the only two really good teams they played, uh, losing to them.

• 1:35:15Speaker 07

  I'll say this. I, I, I think they get in, but I would not want to be an Irish or Catholic sitting there 10-2 on Selection Sunday because of what happened last year. And, and to your point, if SMU is not, like if the SMU Notre Dame game is not a top 10 game.

• 1:35:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:34Speaker 07

  And if SMU is ranked like 23, 24 or not ranked, then you start to get really, really nervous if you're an Irish.

• 1:35:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's just not enough. That's the problem with their schedule. It's like the, they can't pick up those big wins down the stretch that, that, that, you know, get them to a point where they're in. So yeah, it also depends on how they lose to Miami. If they lost a close one, that's different. If they got blown out, I think it's kind of, you know, pack it up, boys. It's, it's not happening.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, if it's a blowout, but if it's, if it's relatively close, I think, I think they gotta get in. I don't think they-

• 1:36:07Speaker 00

  Well, they have the provision, so they probably will.

• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  They wrote themselves into the playoff.

• 1:36:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  It'd be pretty much breaking the law to, to leave them out. Um, jumping back to UCLA real quick, because looking at their schedule, there's a chance that UCLA goes undefeated through the Big 10 season. There is a chance. Um, they should be favored in every game that they play from here on out, except we don't know who the quarterback's going to be. And the reason why I say they still should be favored is because they haven't been overly relying on a passing game. They haven't had spectacular play from the quarterback position, even when they had Nico back there. Uh, do we know anything about what they're going to do at quarterback? Is it going to be Nico's brother Madden? Is Madden, Madden?

• 1:36:45Speaker 07

  No, it's been the kid and forgive me if I screw his name up. I think his name is Dizzenbach?

• 1:36:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, like Diftenbauer, Dizzenbach. Yeah, but he got hurt. He got injured in the last. So I don't know if he's, if he's going to miss extended time. If he's out-

• 1:36:58Speaker 07

  I'm not sure. I haven't heard that. You know, usually Pete Thammo comes out with the Wednesday, with the injury report on a Wednesday night, you start seeing tweets about injuries. Uh, but to me, it really doesn't matter because of how, the style that Chestney wants to play. Like this little running back Bam Knight is outstanding. They brought, they brought him over from James, from, from, uh, James Madison.

• 1:37:16Speaker 02

  Wayne Knight, yeah.

• 1:37:16Speaker 07

  With him. Yeah. Like he, he's brought, he's brought a lot of those guys. It's, everybody says it's like Signetti. He brought a lot of guys with him from JMU to Indiana. Uh, now Chestney has done the same thing from JMU out to UCLA. But what that creates, it creates an identity. Like UCLA is a physical football team. They ran the football down Oregon's though. Like that's what they do to you. They line up and they just beat the hell out of you. And Chestney is a really, really good coach. I saw a special on him, a little segment where, where kind of they followed the coaches around at practice. Man, the culture that he creates is the same type of culture that you want when you can't wait to get to work. Like you can't wait to get to work because you know you're going to laugh, you're going to have some fun, you're going to work hard. Like that's the camaraderie that you gotta have.

• 1:38:00Speaker 07

  And you can tell why he's a good coach based on that little snippet of video that I saw. But they run the football and they control the line of scrimmage. They get after you at, from, from a defensive line standpoint. So that's a formula. Now, no, they're, they're going to be in every ballgame, no matter who the quarterback is. And if, if little Ilmali Awba comes in, as long as he doesn't screw it up, they'll be okay.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Hand the ball off. What about the SEC, Booger? Let's talk about your, your LSU Tigers and the rest of the SEC because they keep cannibalizing themselves. It's like whoever's good in the SEC, they go on, they lose the next week. So are we at the point now where, uh, we're going to see LSU now kind of ascend for the rest of the regular season, back to the top where we thought that they would be, uh, over the next few weeks?

• 1:38:44Speaker 07

  Well, the opportunity's there. Uh, they got a week off this week and then if, if they are, if LSU goes 3-1 or 4-0, I think they're in the playoff. They got, uh, Bama at home. They got Texas at home. They got to go to Rocky Top and then they go, uh, to Pittsburgh. So everything is right in front of them. Um, I think Sam Levitt's playing really, really good football right now. He's, he finally understand. They got Trey Edmonds Green back. They just beat the hell out of Auburn. So now you get a week off. And I think if you're at, you know, 6-2, the first eight, you lose on the last play against Kentucky, you lose basically on the last play against Ole Miss. I think LSU and Lane feel really good, uh, about where they are, aside from the fact that the SEC office put the Alabama game at

• 1:39:28Speaker 07

  2:30. Other than that, I think they feel really, really good about where they are.

• 1:39:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Speaker 07

  Kentucky, go ahead.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  I was just going to say, like, we, we talked about Notre Dame. It's, it's a law that they get written into the college football playoff. LSU has a law where anytime they play a big game, two ranked teams playing, it has to be at night. You guys always get that night game.

• 1:39:46Speaker 07

  But I think that's a reaction to, you know, everything that's been going on, the Piston match that's been going on between Baton Rouge and Birmingham. I think, I, I'm not saying that that has something to do with it, but I'm not saying it doesn't have anything to do with it.

• 1:39:58Speaker 00

  Right. Right.

• 1:40:00Speaker 07

  Kentucky, um, man, Kentucky's schedule, man, is, is, is very, I think it's very favorable. They've only lost one conference game. Kentucky has an opportunity, man. Um, even though they may not be the most talented team in the conference, Kentucky's is gonna wind up with a really good a record.

• 1:40:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:17Speaker 07

  I think the best, I, I think the best team in the SCC right now, if you ask me to pick one, I'd say Georgia.

• 1:40:22Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:40:22Speaker 07

  Because I, because of even though they lost to Auburn, it was kind of fluky. I mean, Gunnar Stockton turned the ball over three times. Uh, it was just a weird game. I think Georgia's the best team. Um, I think Alabama's only got two losses. They got a, they got a schedule in front of them that's, that's right there. I think when you look at, um, you know, Texas is an anomaly, man, just because, um, if you, if you listen to everything that's going on, it's like, man, the sky's falling. But Texas, Texas has what, two losses, right?

• 1:40:56Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:40:57Speaker 07

  Texas got two losses and they went out there in the playoff and everybody says Archie's terrible. Like, we're at the point, big cat, to your, to your, um, um, point earlier in, in the podcast, everybody now knows who they are.

• 1:41:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:13Speaker 07

  But everybody has enough football in front of them where they can still accomplish all their goals. I think Alabama, I think LSU, I think Ole Miss, I think Texas, Georgia, Kentucky, like all those teams are, have everything right there in front of them. And I think November 7th, next Saturday, not this Saturday, next Saturday to me is going to determine a lot. Ole Miss, excuse me, Georgia at Ole Miss. If Georgia wins that game, I think Georgia kind of solidifies themselves. If Ole Miss wins that game, now Georgia's got two losses.

• 1:41:45Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:41:46Speaker 07

  It's like Ole Miss. Bama, LSU, whoever wins that game, it's not an elimination game, but it feels like it.

• 1:41:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:53Speaker 07

  Okay. Because whoever loses that game is going to have three losses in the SCC. So I think November 7th has an opportunity to, to be one of the biggest days in college football in recent memory.

• 1:42:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Speaker 07

  It's one of those days where you wake up, you take the, take the walk or you tell the wife, hey, take the kids to Disneyland and y'all just hang out all day.

• 1:42:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:13Speaker 07

  And we're just going to step back and just watch football from, I think there's a game a lot, I, I think the Holy War is like, what, 10 a.m. isn't it?

• 1:42:21Speaker 00

  No, 10 a.m. local. It's, it's noon Eastern, but 10 a.m. local, which is crazy. I don't know why they did that to Holy War.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  You're thinking of the WNBA championship game.

• 1:42:28Speaker 00

  By the way, Booger does live in Florida. So when he says, take your kids to Disneyland, I don't know if anyone else could do that, but I like that. Uh, yeah.

• 1:42:35Speaker 07

  Well, I mean.

• 1:42:35Speaker 00

  You wake up, get the donuts?

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:37Speaker 00

  And you're ready to go.

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  What about, are we going to get to, uh, to this Saturday? And if Florida, if Florida wins, should we be taking them seriously too?

• 1:42:48Speaker 07

  Florida is a, is a really flawed team. However, they haven't lost since they switched quarterbacks. And I'm very curious who starts the game. Is it going to be Aaron Fallo or Tremell Jones? I will start Tremell Jones just because I think you don't lose much as a passer and you gain much more athletic ability. So I'm not sure what John Sumrall is going to do. Uh, it's basically a Georgia home game in the, in the Georgia Dome. I think Florida's going to play really, really well. Uh, Florida's defensive line is outstanding. I think that game's going to be a fourth quarter game. Yeah. Georgia, Florida, what about this? What if Florida beats Georgia and Ole Miss beats Georgia? Then Georgia's eliminated. Like, the next few weeks are going to really determine, the next two weeks, specifically November 7th,

• 1:43:32Speaker 07

  I think determines who wins the SCC.

• 1:43:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's, it's, it is going to be awesome to watch. And there are just like all these like elimination games where it.

• 1:43:42Speaker 07

  Hey, by the way, by the way, I know you guys went down to Baton Rouge and hung out with Lain. Are you guys going back down for a game at all?

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  Uh, funny you mentioned, Booger. I'm going to be down there that weekend of the Alabama game. Are you going to be there?

• 1:43:55Speaker 07

  No, I got, I gotta work, but I, I was going to tell you guys, if you, if you're looking for a game to go to, the Alabama game will be cool just because they hate us, we hate them. I got a feeling that the Texas game will be at night.

• 1:44:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:07Speaker 07

  And Arch Manning in Baton Rouge, you have to understand that the Mannings are not really a fan of LSU. So it's gonna be, it's gonna, and they'll be in the stands. So it's, it's, it's, it's a lot of, like, depending on what happens November 7th, that game, Texas at LSU has the makings of an all-timer.

• 1:44:24Speaker 02

  You should, you should come to LSU that weekend. On Friday night, uh, my band is opening up for Shaq at Fred's. It's gonna be great.

• 1:44:31Speaker 07

  You know what? Sit, sit in the jet. I'll come. I just gotta be back in Connecticut by, by one o'clock on Saturday.

• 1:44:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. Should, should be, should be a good time. Um, what about, what about Miami? Or is Miami just the best team in college football?

• 1:44:45Speaker 07

  Miami's the best team in the ACC. Um, I think at their best, they have, I think they're, they're healthier and they have more talent than anybody. Now, the talent hasn't quite lived up to the billing yet. The defensive line isn't as productive as it was last year with Bain and Mesidor, even though they got Moten, they got Lightfoot, they got Armando Blunt, they got Damon Wilson, like though, they got a bunch of names, but those guys haven't played to the level of Bain and Mesidor just yet. They can beat you a number of ways, man. They got Mallory, they got Fletcher Jr. tailback, Darian Minster. I, I don't think he, uh, missed his very many passes. I think his completion percentage is like 80 on the

• 1:45:25Speaker 07

  year. Uh, and then Malakat Tony is the best. Um, he, he, he's, he's not the best receiver. He's the most versatile receiver in the country. I'm not going to disrespect Jeremiah Smith. I think Jeremiah Smith is the second coming of Calvin Johnson. But Malakat Tony can do it all. And with the ball in his hands, like he does that run after catch, he's unreal. And he's a dog, man. Like he is a true dog. Miami is super talented, but can we say that Miami's been tested? Like Florida State, I don't think either, I don't, I don't think anybody thought they were going to lose to Florida State regardless of what, what was going on. Have they been tested? Will Notre Dame test Miami? And so you have to wonder if Miami goes through this season and let's say they beat Notre Dame or they walk over

• 1:46:08Speaker 07

  Notre Dame and they get to the, and they get to the playoffs and they go against, I don't know, Georgia. Do we really know what we're going to get because they haven't been tested? But I, I will give you to, uh, I will give you this. Up until this point right now, they've been the, they've been the best team weekend and week out in college football.

• 1:46:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they gotta run, I love watching Fletcher run the ball.

• 1:46:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  He's, he's.

• 1:46:32Speaker 07

  He's a big kid.

• 1:46:33Speaker 02

  Powerful dude. Yeah.

• 1:46:34Speaker 00

  Uh, Bo, do you have a, let's just do a, a touch on the NFL real quick.

• 1:46:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:46:40Speaker 00

  Can you give me, let's go, let's do three teams in the AFC, three teams in the NFC you think can win the Super Bowl? Because I actually think the list is getting smaller and smaller. And there's maybe some teams that are, I don't want to call frauds, but like, they've had a nice start, but I don't know if I trust them, uh, when we get to, to late season football.

• 1:47:01Speaker 07

  Um, let's start in the AFC. Buffalo, um, Josh Allen, complete freak. Uh, Joe Brady is more of a risk taker than Sean McDermott. Whether or not that's good or bad, we're going to find out. I'm just telling you what his DNA is. I think Cincinnati with Joe Burrow.

• 1:47:17Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:47:17Speaker 07

  If, if they're healthy, like Cincinnati can be a juggernaut, man. Like they are, they are a, a wagon when, when they're healthy, especially if Sexy Dex is motivated, the defensive line is really good. Uh, I would go Cincinnati. Um.

• 1:47:33Speaker 00

  This is where it gets tough.

• 1:47:35Speaker 07

  I, the, the, the easy pick is Kansas City.

• 1:47:40Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:47:40Speaker 07

  But my biggest fear with Kansas City happened to them Sunday night. When you can't run the ball and play bully ball, who the hell are they throwing the football to?

• 1:47:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:47:51Speaker 07

  They got like, like they got nobody receiver.

• 1:47:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:54Speaker 07

  Nobody.

• 1:47:56Speaker 00

  I, I, I agree. I, I like, I know we'll see, we'll find out on Sunday because they play each other, but I think I trust the Broncos more than I touch, trust the Chiefs right now because I just think the Broncos defense is such a strong unit that if Bo Nix can get a little bit of out of his own head, that team's a really tough out. And the Jaguars is the other one out there.

• 1:48:17Speaker 07

  I did, that's exactly where I was going to go. So if, if you told me the hierarchy, I'm going, it's going to be Buffalo, Cincinnati, uh, Denver, Jacksonville, and the asterisk is going to be by Kansas City. Just because my biggest fear for them happened on Sunday night when some people say, hey, Kenneth Walker, you, you're not running the ball. Now, you, you're going to ask Worthy, Rashid Rice and Kelsey who, I mean, Kelsey's still doing it, but he's not the Kelsey of old. So, uh, those will be my teams in the, in the AFC. NFC, um, man, I think Seattle, regardless of what the record is, I love the coach. I

• 1:48:59Speaker 07

  love what they do. San Francisco, I just don't know how healthy they're going to be by the time the tournament starts. Like every year we get the same question, like Kyle Shanahan's a great coach, but damn, e- even, even Chef Emerald, he needs some ingredients to cook. Like he can't cook on, he can't cook air. He needs something.

• 1:49:16Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:49:17Speaker 07

  Um, then, um, see Seattle, San Francisco, uh, I'm out on the Rams. I'm, I'm just going to be honest with you. I'm, I'm out. Um.

• 1:49:26Speaker 00

  Fair.

• 1:49:28Speaker 07

  Yeah. Well, yeah, it's very fair. I mean, what are they now? Three and four? Like, I'm, I'm out. I'm, e- even when Myles Garrett gets back, even. Point Devante Adams could come back in like eight or 10 weeks like Matthew is older like I'm out. Um, greet to Chicago.

• 1:49:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:49:46Speaker 07

  Chicago to me, if you told me right now today.

• 1:49:52Speaker 07

  You can hang your hat on one team. It's gonna be Chicago. My only question, big cat about your team in Chicago is man like, like if can you hold a team under 24 every week? Like, can we do that?

• 1:50:03Speaker 00

  Big, big time question. That's, that's totally fair. Uh, cornerback position's been tough. Defensive Dennis Allen is a really good coach. I think we're punching above our, our, our weight when it comes to that. But yeah, it's I, I honestly think like the Monday night game, Seattle versus the Bears are going to Seattle. I'm very excited for that game because it's like, hey, let's see where we, I think Seattle's the top. I'm not going to argue that they've done it. Yeah, that is the measuring stick. It's, it's, are you really, really for real? Depending on how you play against the Seahawks in Seattle, who have made a lot of quarterbacks look really bad. Like, that's just a fact. So.

• 1:50:42Speaker 07

  And I would add to this, you see, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not the guy, which is why I threw Seattle, Seattle in there. I'm not big just because your record says you like, nah, I get it, but like, do we all think Minnesota, like if I told you. Minnesota was a Super Bowl contender, would you say true or false?

• 1:50:59Speaker 00

  False. I would say, let me see these next four games because I think their next four games are Bills, Lions, Packers, Niners. Let me see those next four games against a truly elite offense.

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  I would say false right now because we haven't, we, the offense, I don't think you can say with a straight face that the offense is Super Bowl caliber.

• 1:51:16Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  There, nobody would say that. So like they're a deeply flawed football team when it comes to that side of the ball. I do trust their coach. I think he's a good offensive mind. So there's, there's definitely a possibility that they can figure something out and become an average to above average offense. In which case, yes, I would say that they are definitely a Super Bowl contender, but right now, no.

• 1:51:35Speaker 00

  Let me just throw out one thing. Okay. And I, I agree with what PFT said, but I'm just gonna, I'm gonna throw out devil's advocate just for fun, right?

• 1:51:43Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:51:44Speaker 00

  Last year, we all kind of said, like, early in the season, the Seahawks were what, like 30 to one or something?

• 1:51:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:53Speaker 00

  Outside the, the Super Bowl favorite list. They started, I think I want to say three and two. Remember there was that one Sam Donald game too, where he threw a bunch of picks? Their defense is really, really good, but is their offense that good? We don't know. I, I'm not saying they're the same because I do think the C, like, I don't think the Vikings are there, but. Could you squint your eyes and see like, hey, this defense is so elite. They have Justin Jefferson, a JSN comp. Can maybe Jordan Mason get running? I don't know. Like.

• 1:52:25Speaker 02

  Seattle had a great running game last year. That's, that's the difference.

• 1:52:28Speaker 00

  I think the Vikings, like their running game has not been good. They also have been injured. I'm just saying like to throw it out there, like their defense has given them a little bit of leeway where if their offense can catch up a little bit. That's a, that's just an insane defensive unit right now.

• 1:52:43Speaker 07

  You know, to your point, um, Boomer and I described the Minnesota Vikings like this. Is that defensive play caller is elite. Defense is really elite. Offensive play caller, elite. Offensive skill players, elite. Quarterback though. Like you just don't know what you're gonna get out of, out of the little guy, man. Like, and that he's the wild card. Like.

• 1:53:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:05Speaker 07

  Like you have no idea what the little guy's gonna do.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  That's why I love.

• 1:53:07Speaker 07

  Because you would say if I got Jefferson, Addison, Hawkinson, Mason, Jones, Jr. Man, we, we feel like we can score some points.

• 1:53:17Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:53:17Speaker 07

  Do you know, do you know Kyler Murray's only scored, I want to say five touchdowns as the starting quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings?

• 1:53:24Speaker 00

  It's been bad.

• 1:53:25Speaker 07

  Like, that's terrible.

• 1:53:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, their leading scorer is their kicker.

• 1:53:31Speaker 07

  So, um, I'm not a believer yet. PFT, I think I'm on your side. I need to see the next three or four weeks.

• 1:53:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:39Speaker 07

  You go three, you go three and one during that time, maybe even two and two. I'll, I'll have a different outlook on the Minnesota Vikings.

• 1:53:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it could happen. I'm not saying that it can't happen. Right now, I don't think anyone can say like that's a, you can picture that team as it's currently made up. Winning, although I guess the one argument against that would be we have seen like completely dominant defenses.

• 1:54:00Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  Drag, drag their, their quarterback across the finish line in years past, but those are the exceptions. It's very, very rare and it would have to be truly like an elite, once in a generation defense to see that. I don't know if we can say that just yet. What do we, can we go back to the AFC real quick? Cause there's two teams I wanted to talk to you about.

• 1:54:17Speaker 07

  Sure, let's do it.

• 1:54:18Speaker 02

  From the same division, um, both have good records, but we did not include them in a mention of, of one of the, a Super Bowl caliber team. First is the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns.

• 1:54:30Speaker 07

  There's a reason.

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  They win football games.

• 1:54:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:54:33Speaker 02

  Do, and, and you do not believe in the Cleveland Browns.

• 1:54:36Speaker 07

  Well, I don't think you do either, but go ahead.

• 1:54:38Speaker 02

  Well, not, not especially. Uh, I think that they've got a really, really good defense.

• 1:54:43Speaker 07

  I think they got a really good defense. I, I've loved Jared versus he's got over there Denzel Ward. I love the linebacker. What's his name from UCLA Swestinger or whatever? Like he reminds me of a bigger version of you, PFT. Like he's got hair running everywhere.

• 1:54:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:55Speaker 07

  Like, I like it.

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  Hell yeah.

• 1:54:56Speaker 07

  Um, but I mean, do, do we really know what we're gonna get out of Deshaun Watson?

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:55:03Speaker 07

  He's played well. I'll give him credit. He's played well this season, better than a lot of people thought. But do we honestly think we're gonna have him compete with Burrow, um, Josh Allen? And some of the other teams that we like on that side of, of, of the tournament? I, I don't. So yeah, it's a nice story. I love what they're doing. Happy for Todd Munkin. He waited a long time to be a head coach. I don't put Cleveland in the Super Bowl contender category.

• 1:55:31Speaker 02

  Okay. I, I was also going to ask you about the Steelers, but now just thinking about the Steelers. Yeah. I don't believe that they're Super Bowl contenders either. They're, they're a above average team and the offense looks a little bit better. The running game's good, good defense. So instead, let me ask you about the Houston Texans because.

• 1:55:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:55:46Speaker 02

  You can tell us probably better than anybody, what's wrong with the defense? Why does the defense that seemingly has the same pieces that it had in the past, same coaching? Why, uh, why do they look so different than we've seen the last couple of years?

• 1:56:00Speaker 07

  So here's what I'll say. Think about this, guys. Like it's, it's human nature. They, we told them last year in the, in the year before, it's the best defense that, that we've seen in a long time. Last year it was historic. So we went into this off season, kept saying, man, if CJ Stroud returns back, this defense is dominant. This defense is historic. Here's the great thing about football. Football, you never are who you were. You have to do it again and again and again. And I think human nature, a lot of those guys started seeing, man, we're great. Man, we're great. They were on the cover of Sports Steelers straight.

• 1:56:38Speaker 07

  They were, they were being lauded as the defense, like the 2002 Bucks or the, the 01 Ravens or whatever. Like these great defenses, they hadn't earned that yet. We got rings, buddy. We got hardware. They're put, they were putting them in the category of some of the great defenses and they hadn't earned those stripes. But human nature says this, man, I started listening, man. I think I'm pretty good. Man, I, we are all right. Cover of Sports Steelers, cool. We, we there and they haven't played that way. And what happens is it's the little things, man. Think about what makes this podcast great.

• 1:57:17Speaker 07

  It's the little things, like anybody can get on here and talk and do all that, but what makes you guys great is the little details that make your you. And the moment you stop doing the little shit, as Marinelli told me years ago, shit creeps in. And you don't want it to creep in.

• 1:57:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:33Speaker 07

  Like you gotta keep, you gotta keep doing the little things. And I see Houston is not doing the little things that they've done in the past. And it's, it's not like 10 or 15 things a game. It's a couple of things here. It's a couple of things there, but it's those things that cause you to lose ball game. So I think that's the issue. Other than that, it's the same bodies other than Reed Blankenship.

• 1:57:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:57:54Speaker 07

  It's the same bodies, same people, but how, how come the same people can't perform the same way?

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  Cause this might, this might be a dumb thought that I had, but because the offense has been so bad in the past for the Texans. And this year we're seeing signs of life from it. They've looked pretty good. Like CJ Stroud's played pretty good overall.

• 1:58:11Speaker 07

  He's played well, yeah.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  At the body of work. Is, is that kind of a thing where the defense has been used to be like having all the pressure on them? So like, we gotta go out and win this game ourself. And because they have an offense, you lose some of that edge, some of that, like some of the small details that they had before. When they knew that winning this game was a hundred percent going to be on them over the last couple of years. Does that, have you ever seen that creep into a, the, the mindset of a unit?

• 1:58:36Speaker 07

  No, I'll give you an example. So when I was in Tampa, um, we were like 0 and four, 0 and five, man, we were terrible. We couldn't score any points. I got traded on a Tuesday afternoon. Wednesday morning I, I got to Indiana and played for the Colts. That Sunday, uh, playing for the Colts. I want to say the coast came out. I want to say Peyton and the offense scored like 14 in the first quarter. I haven't seen 14 points in the first quarter in forever. It made me want to go play harder. Like I was like, everybody's like, man, this dude is jacked up. I'm like, dude, y'all don't understand what it's like to have a quarterback and offense that can score points. Like it makes the defense want to play harder. So if, if, if CJ Stroud is playing the way he

• 1:59:18Speaker 07

  is, which is really good football, I would think that the, that the defense will want to go out and know, hey, we got 14, 20. The offense has scored 30 points this year and they've lost.

• 1:59:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:59:31Speaker 07

  Like that's the most amazing thing. If I told you before the season, CJ Stroud is, and the offense is going to score 30 in 12 games, just saying, okay, Texas are winning all 12 of them.

• 1:59:42Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 1:59:43Speaker 07

  They've lost two games. They scored 30 in already.

• 1:59:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:59:46Speaker 07

  This is crazy.

• 1:59:48Speaker 00

  It is. It's a really good point too about, you know, just kind of reading your own press clips. All right, Booger, I got one last question for you. It's actually a statement that I want you to assess. Uh, Roback, uh, it's the Roback question, R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. Here's the statement and you know it well. I made this statement on Monday and I want to, I want to hear your take. I am, and this might look really stupid in like five days. I'm buying Bucks stock right now because I said that the Bucks defense is the most reliable unit in the NFC South. They have to beat the Falcons, but if they beat the Falcons on Sunday, they are a

• 2:00:30Speaker 00

  hundred percent right back in this thing. How do you, how do you see the rest of the Bucks season? Are they, are they kind of, hey, they got life in their back situation?

• 2:00:40Speaker 07

  Bucks have life. If I'm Todd Bowles, I stand in front of the team tomorrow because players get today off. Tomorrow's the first day. Here's what I say, guys. We've played the toughest part of our schedule and we are one game out of first place in the, in the win column. And the team that's in first place in the win column, uh, is coming to our house or we're playing them on Sunday in the, in the Falcons. We've already beaten Carolina. Um, and so I think, yeah, I feel pretty good if you, if, I'm not going to say feel pretty good. I feel better. They need to keep stockpiling wins though, because the team that I think ultimately is the most talented team in the division, uh,

• 2:01:19Speaker 07

  outside of Tampa is probably, it's probably, probably Atlanta, depending on what, whether Michael Penning shows up or not. You've beaten Carolina. The Saints can't run the football. Tyler Shutt's been up and down. So I, I, I think if you're the Bucks, man, like there's a glimmer of hope. I'm not saying you feel great, but I, I, I do think there's a glimmer of hope. So even as much as I want to say that your statement was stupid and dumb, um, I don't think it's a hundred percent dumb. I, I think that, that it has some dumbassery in it, but it's not all the way.

• 2:01:50Speaker 00

  Hey, listen, a dumbassery might be the fact that I'm talking about Todd Bowles and I'm expecting him to, to turn around, but I just, it's kind of a mess in the NFC South and I always look for value. And it's like the Bucks, if they got a win on Sunday, that's all, if they lose on Sunday, it is over. I'm not going to continue talking about them, but if they win on Sunday, it's kind of on, especially if the Panthers go to Lambeau and lose, like then it's, then it's really on. So.

• 2:02:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly. Which is very, it is, and the Panthers and Lambeau, that's, that's Thursday night, right?

• 2:02:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, Thursday night. So they'll know.

• 2:02:19Speaker 07

  So I mean, so by the time Sunday afternoon, Panthers could have another loss. Bucks could have three wins and now you're looking at, uh, everybody's got three wins in the, in the NFC South.

• 2:02:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Which is crazy to say. It's a disaster division. Um, all right, Boog, you're the best. Uh, by the way, you should get the book by tonight. That's how fast Amazon is.

• 2:02:39Speaker 07

  Wow. I love it. And listen, I can't wait. And as soon as I get it, I'm going to post about it. I, I definitely appreciate it. And, uh, yeah, always enjoy coming on with you fellas, man. And listen, man, remember, don't worry about how you look walking backwards. Just worry, think about the benefits that you're going to get.

• 2:02:55Speaker 00

  I'm going to do it. I'm going to have someone video me. I'm going to do it for you. I'm going to send you a video of me walking backwards.

• 2:03:00Speaker 07

  Yeah. Walking backwards. And if you really want to do the advanced level, walk backwards, uphill, whole nother level.

• 2:03:06Speaker 00

  All right. I'm going to have those little weights on my ankles too. I'm going to do the whole thing.

• 2:03:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly. No question.

• 2:03:12Speaker 00

  Oh, all right. Thanks, Boog. You're the best, man.

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• 2:04:53Speaker 00

  Okay, let's wrap up the show. Max, did you find out the take that you had?

• 2:04:58Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 2:04:58Speaker 00

  You didn't? Keep looking. I, I see you looking through brackets right now.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  I've got to find this tweet this guy had. I liked it though.

• 2:05:07Speaker 02

  I was thinking about it more, a third and a fifth round pick. That, did Ed Dodds just get fleeced?

• 2:05:14Speaker 00

  No. Ed Dodds did the fleecing. Quentin Nelson was going to walk. Ed Dodd, no, no, no. Ed Dodd fleeces you.

• 2:05:21Speaker 02

  You can't get a better deal for, for Quentin. Quentin Nelson's an awesome player.

• 2:05:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, but he's old and on his last year of his contract and they, I don't think they're ready. Like they're in a transition, right? When, when are the Colts going to be good again? Ed Dodd fleeced. Oh.

• 2:05:35Speaker 02

  I, because my world is, is shaken right now if Ed Dodds, if somebody got the better of Ed Dodds.

• 2:05:41Speaker 00

  No, no. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to tweet it right now just to, to, to back him up. I would say Ed Dodd masterclass getting not one, but two draft picks. That way you make it a little bit, we say draft picks, not the rounds.

• 2:05:52Speaker 02

  He went for a fifth and then they threw in a third.

• 2:05:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. Two draft picks for Quentin Nelson. You don't even have to say one.

• 2:05:59Speaker 06

  I saw the Seahawks started getting a compensatory third rounder. So basically.

• 2:06:03Speaker 00

  That's just what smart teams do.

• 2:06:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:06:05Speaker 00

  They just fucking do that and it pisses me off. All right, Hank, pardon your take.

• 2:06:10Speaker 04

  Uh, these are like NFL hot takes people sent in, but uh,

• 2:06:13Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:06:15Speaker 04

  My hot take is that there hasn't been a consistent, great new head coach in the last five years.

• 2:06:19Speaker 00

  What?

• 2:06:20Speaker 04

  Only one you could point to is the Vikings head coach, but they will never win a Super Bowl. So does it even count? All the best ones, your tried and trues like Shanahan, McVay, Reid.

• 2:06:31Speaker 00

  So would Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen did last year just mean zero?

• 2:06:37Speaker 04

  What about the CRs?

• 2:06:39Speaker 00

  See, great point. Mike McDonald. Great point. I feel like it's the other way. I think it's actually been like a hot streak of head coaches recently.

• 2:06:51Speaker 02

  And when did, he's probably, he's on the outside. Dan Campbell was what, six years ago?

• 2:06:56Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, how many years did he go back?

• 2:06:58Speaker 02

  Five.

• 2:06:59Speaker 00

  Nick Sirianni. When did he get hired? Is this his fifth year? This is his sixth year?

• 2:07:04Speaker 02

  I think it's his sixth.

• 2:07:04Speaker 00

  It might be a six. But yeah, I, okay, bad take. What, who's that guy? Is that guy only watch?

• 2:07:15Speaker 00

  Did, did he just watch Jets and Dolphins like Sunday? Is that the only game he watched? What does he?

• 2:07:22Speaker 02

  It's a bad take.

• 2:07:23Speaker 03

  That was a high scoring game. I don't know.

• 2:07:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:07:25Speaker 02

  The reality is most coaches in the NFL are, are retreads. Like that's just how the league always works. And we don't, we don't know, like two years from now, if the LaFleur guys work out.

• 2:07:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. The, the, the reality is that it goes for quarterbacks too. Quarterbacks and coaches, like half of them are going to just suck. And then there's like another 25% will debate and then there's 25% that are going to be good.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:51Speaker 04

  This one sounds like Shane wrote it. Uh, I think there's a legit chance the Chargers do not win a game this year. Obviously everyone knows they're terrible, but there are only two weeks I could see on their schedule that are possible wins and I still don't think they will.

• 2:08:01Speaker 02

  They'll pop up.

• 2:08:02Speaker 04

  Jets, week 11, Dolphins, week 16. Other games are Rams, Texans, Ravens, Patriots, Bucks, Raiders, Niners, Chiefs, Broncos.

• 2:08:10Speaker 02

  That, that guy's doing a lot of work throwing, they're throwing around some names into the good team pile that maybe shouldn't be in the good team pile. Right now the Rams are not a good team. Right now the Texans are not a good team.

• 2:08:22Speaker 04

  Bucks, Raiders.

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  Raiders right now are not a good team.

• 2:08:27Speaker 00

  Who's more likely to make the playoff Texans or Rams?

• 2:08:31Speaker 04

  Rams.

• 2:08:32Speaker 00

  Okay. I probably agree with you.

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:36Speaker 04

  You said their schedule is like, it's super easy right now.

• 2:08:38Speaker 00

  Rams. Yeah, they do. They have a, they, they should, they should rip off some wins.

• 2:08:45Speaker 00

  I uh.

• 2:08:48Speaker 00

  I, I, I think the Chargers will win a game. I think the Chargers will win one game. It's really.

• 2:08:52Speaker 04

  Chargers will win four games.

• 2:08:53Speaker 00

  It's really hard to not win a single game.

• 2:08:55Speaker 03

  Shot. They went four.

• 2:08:56Speaker 00

  They don't win four games, but.

• 2:08:58Speaker 04

  Let's see what Vegas says.

• 2:08:59Speaker 00

  I will say.

• 2:09:00Speaker 04

  Oh, they'll win four games.

• 2:09:01Speaker 00

  Just, just gonna throw this out there. Uh.

• 2:09:04Speaker 04

  It's NFL.

• 2:09:05Speaker 00

  We made a group bet. We've talked about it before. It is gonna go down as one of the worst bets of all time. One of the worst bets of all time. We made a group bet, the whole PMT, we all put our teams in, uh, betting overs. Let me just read it real quick to you. Bears over seven and a half wins. Looks that, that's doing well. They have five wins right now. Chargers over eight and a half wins. We're like two weeks away from that being actually. Impossible. Bucks over six and a half wins. They have two. Commanders over six and a half wins. They have one. Patriots over eight and a half wins. They have four. Eagles over eight and a half wins. They have two. Jets over four and a half. That is one of the worst bets of all time. We're gonna lose that by like three teams.

• 2:09:50Speaker 02

  It's really bad. It's very bad.

• 2:09:52Speaker 00

  What?

• 2:09:53Speaker 03

  The Jets are one of the best ones.

• 2:09:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, but Jets are, Jets are trending the best. The Jets.

• 2:09:58Speaker 03

  No, the.

• 2:09:59Speaker 00

  The Jets and Bears. Yeah. But I mean, the Jets are three wins away. The Bears are three wins away.

• 2:10:04Speaker 02

  Win totals right now, Vegas has, uh. Chargers over three and a half on DraftKings.

• 2:10:10Speaker 00

  Oh, that's I'd hit that under.

• 2:10:11Speaker 02

  Uh, but it's, wait. Under three and a half is actually plus money. Over three and a half is minus 200. Under three and a half is plus 160.

• 2:10:19Speaker 00

  It is really hard though, to lose every single game. Like they're gonna win a game.

• 2:10:24Speaker 03

  I'm just really worried about. Yeah, Denver. Week 18. I'm just worried they're gonna sit all their starters and we get some squeaky win at the end that takes us out of the first pick.

• 2:10:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:34Speaker 03

  That would really fucking suck. Yeah. What was it? The one year was the, the Davis Mills?

• 2:10:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:40Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:10:41Speaker 00

  That's.

• 2:10:42Speaker 03

  That would really.

• 2:10:42Speaker 00

  Set in the motion, uh, kill him. All right, next one.

• 2:10:49Speaker 04

  Uh, my theory is the NFL front loaded the Steelers' schedule with easier games to ensure they wouldn't bench Rogers midseason for younger QBs. Nine and eight plus first round exit is still inevitable.

• 2:10:58Speaker 00

  So. The theory, uh, I, I don't totally disagree, but the theory is really. When you're talking about the NFC North and the AFC North, every team being above 500. Uh, it's like the we're not the same meme because if you look into the AFC North. They've gotten really fat off of the NFC South. Every team in the AFC North has just beaten the Bucks. They all beat the Bucks.

• 2:11:25Speaker 02

  I think that there's.

• 2:11:26Speaker 00

  The Saints, like.

• 2:11:27Speaker 02

  I, I think the Steelers, the, the Browns, I don't expect them to. Stick around as like a real team. I think they'll probably be around 500 at the end of the season. Um, the Bengals, I do think. I think the Bengals are legit.

• 2:11:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, the Bengals are really good, but the Steelers have beaten the Cooper Rush Falcons. The Jalen Daniels Bucks and the Saints. Three of their wins are NFC South.

• 2:11:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:51Speaker 00

  It's just basically the AFC North is significantly better than the NFC South, and that's what we're finding out.

• 2:11:59Speaker 00

  Okay, next.

• 2:12:00Speaker 04

  Uh, last one. If Deshaun Watson takes the Browns to the playoffs, is it only right that we forgive him for his past hopeful Browns fans?

• 2:12:07Speaker 02

  It's a good point. It's a fair point. How many, how many games do you think he'd have to win to get an extension?

• 2:12:13Speaker 00

  Super Bowl. Oh, extension?

• 2:12:16Speaker 02

  Oh, you mean to be forgiven?

• 2:12:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  To, to get a pass?

• 2:12:19Speaker 00

  Super Bowl, he would, he would definitely be forgiven in Cleveland.

• 2:12:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think.

• 2:12:23Speaker 00

  That's not, that's not a negotiate.

• 2:12:24Speaker 02

  Like for.

• 2:12:24Speaker 04

  He might already be forgiven in Cleveland.

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  To get an extension, I, I feel like. If he wins two playoff games, you, they, they would definitely give him one, right?

• 2:12:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, two playoff. If he goes to AFC Championship game, 100%.

• 2:12:38Speaker 02

  If he wins two playoff games. They would. If he wins one, but it's an ugly game. Like 120 yards, one touchdown, one interception.

• 2:12:49Speaker 00

  They might just give him one anyway at this point.

• 2:12:51Speaker 02

  Because the option is like, if, if Deshaun Watson, if he hits the open market, what is the market gonna look like for Deshaun Watson?

• 2:12:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. I.

• 2:13:00Speaker 00

  It is, it, it's, I think Todd Monk is a really good coach. Like, I think he's done a really good job. The problem is he doesn't own the team and you gotta just think about the fact that like. The Haslums might just be like, hey, we finally had a little success. What do we have to do? Let's just lock up the shot.

• 2:13:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:14Speaker 00

  You know?

• 2:13:15Speaker 02

  Whatever choice they make, it's probably, it's probably gonna be the wrong one.

• 2:13:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. I.

• 2:13:21Speaker 00

  What, who's, what's their, uh, what's the, the draft picks that the, of the Browns have? Do they have anyone else's draft pick?

• 2:13:27Speaker 03

  They have the Jaguars.

• 2:13:28Speaker 00

  They have the Jaguars. Oh, he says something like great.

• 2:13:31Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, Travis Hunter.

• 2:13:32Speaker 00

  Oh no, they have, uh, the Rams too.

• 2:13:37Speaker 03

  Was it Jaguars last year?

• 2:13:39Speaker 00

  They have the Rams from Miles Garrett. Right?

• 2:13:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:13:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:13:43Speaker 03

  I might have missed smoke.

• 2:13:45Speaker 00

  I can't get out of this.

• 2:13:45Speaker 03

  Was it Jaguars last year? Somebody help.

• 2:13:48Speaker 00

  I don't know. I'm trying to pull up Tankathon, but.

• 2:13:50Speaker 03

  Now my brain's broken.

• 2:13:51Speaker 00

  There's keep, the ads just keep popping up, so I don't know what to do. What do you want me to do?

• 2:13:57Speaker 03

  If only somebody else had a computer.

• 2:13:59Speaker 00

  I'm pulling it up right now.

• 2:14:00Speaker 03

  I'm still working on this, this bracket. I'm working on this bracket you told me to work on.

• 2:14:04Speaker 00

  The Rams and they have the Rams pick and their pick. That's it. What's this bracket? Give it to us real quick.

• 2:14:11Speaker 03

  It's not quick.

• 2:14:12Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:14:16Speaker 00

  I don't want, this is, this is confusing, Max. What's going on?

• 2:14:20Speaker 02

  Why? There's all, all these colors on here.

• 2:14:22Speaker 03

  That's, those are the different sides of the bracket.

• 2:14:25Speaker 00

  So it's the.

• 2:14:25Speaker 03

  This is from, this is from at Detroit William.

• 2:14:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:14:31Speaker 03

  It's a four-team playoff between the Big Ten and the SEC, and the winner of that gets to go to the final four. Then there's a lot of other stuff at the bottom of this bracket.

• 2:14:41Speaker 00

  No, it's, it's all four. It's the four major conferences. I like this. I see what it's doing. It's basically saying. The Big Ten and SEC are automatically in the round of 16. The, the smaller conferences have to start earlier and play play-ins, like the MAC has to play into the ACC bracket. The Mountain West has to play into the ACC bracket. Conference USA and Sunbelt have to play in the ACC bracket. So you're essentially. Having the division winners and the SEC and the Big Ten both have four teams in no matter what.

• 2:15:15Speaker 03

  And it keeps conference championships relevant.

• 2:15:17Speaker 00

  And it always, and it always, you'll always have a final four of one of the teams from each conference in the final four.

• 2:15:24Speaker 02

  So it'd be impossible to have two SEC teams.

• 2:15:26Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:15:26Speaker 00

  I actually like this. This would be cool.

• 2:15:29Speaker 03

  That's what, yeah. That's what I was thinking. The, the one thing that it kind of fucks is Notre Dame, but it also isn't the worst for it. Like Notre Dame. You, you have to start in the first round, then play the Mountain West, and then you play the winner of the MAC. So you're still like guaranteeing, if you get that first wild card spot. You just have to beat the ACC champion.

• 2:15:48Speaker 00

  I know, and, and this is basically like, eventually it's gonna just be the NFL where instead of the top four best Big Ten teams, we just split the Big Ten back up into geographical. And it's like you have divisions. So it's like you have a Big Ten West, which is Washington, Oregon, you know, they just play the Pac 12 out there.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  They've, they've also made like in basketball, conference championship tournaments.

• 2:16:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:14Speaker 03

  Also, you can, the big, the Big Ten and the SEC can get multiple teams into the final four if they make it out. If they win out from the wild cards stage.

• 2:16:22Speaker 00

  Oh, there's wild cards.

• 2:16:23Speaker 03

  There's three wild cards.

• 2:16:24Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 2:16:25Speaker 03

  So.

• 2:16:25Speaker 00

  They're playing the, the, uh, Big 12 and the ACC brackets.

• 2:16:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 2:16:30Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah, I don't hate this.

• 2:16:33Speaker 03

  It would be fun.

• 2:16:34Speaker 00

  That would be fun.

• 2:16:37Speaker 00

  Okay. Good show, boys.

• 2:16:40Speaker 00

  Numbers?

• 2:16:41Speaker 03

  Four.

• 2:16:42Speaker 00

  Three.

• 2:16:46Speaker 03

  23.

• 2:16:50Speaker 04

  11.

• 2:16:56Speaker 02

  37.

• 2:17:00Speaker 00

  69.

• 2:17:01Speaker 03

  69 for Colton.

• 2:17:02Speaker 00

  Nice. Nine. Nice. Colton, nice. Colton Bidwill out.

• 2:17:08Speaker 03

  Said you're doing a great job, Colton.

• 2:17:10Speaker 00

  Thank you, big cat. Yeah. Fuck that guy.

• 2:17:13Speaker 02

  Fuck that guy.

• 2:17:17Speaker 00

  Although I kinda wanna start locking, I kinda wanna put, put in a lock on the body armor fridge.

• 2:17:25Speaker 00

  Just make some little extra money.

• 2:17:27Speaker 02

  How much, how much money was he losing to Gatorade? To workplace stuff?

• 2:17:35Speaker 00

  86. Anyone?

• 2:18:06Speaker 00

  Thirty-seven.

• 2:18:08Speaker 03

  Thirty-seven?

• 2:18:09Speaker 00

  Thirty-seven. Yes!

• 2:18:10Speaker 03

  Shame, man. Come on.

• 2:18:12Speaker 00

  Let's go, Shane! Oh, man. Bolts up. How many times you've done this?

• 2:18:17Speaker 06

  Uh, I don't know. I think this fifth or sixth time.

• 2:18:20Speaker 00

  Whoa, on this machine?

• 2:18:21Speaker 06

  Uh, no, this is probably a fourth time on this machine.

• 2:18:23Speaker 00

  Oh, my God. And memes, you've never gotten this on this machine?

• 2:18:27Speaker 02

  Uh, I have one.

• 2:18:29Speaker 00

  No, you haven't. You haven't?

• 2:18:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:33Speaker 00

  No, you haven't?

• 2:18:34Speaker 06

  I don't want to say this to throw shade, but I've been guessing four for the last few weeks and memes took four right before me.

• 2:18:39Speaker 00

  Oh!

• 2:18:44Speaker 02

  Good luck, Chuck memes.

• 2:18:45Speaker 00

  Thanks, memes. So you basically won it for Shane. So it's another one that you could say that you got it, but you didn't.

• 2:18:51Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 2:18:51Speaker 00

  You lead the league in getting it, but not.

• 2:18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like the Chargers.

• 2:18:55Speaker 06

  Yes, sir.

• 2:18:56Speaker 00

  Well, no, they could never even...

• 2:18:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, they don't win either. No, but they're gonna, you forget, they're gonna, they're gonna get Jeremiah Smith.

• 2:19:03Speaker 00

  Oh, so you...

• 2:19:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, the wide receiver fix everything.

• 2:19:06Speaker 00

  So you admit that you've never won it?

• 2:19:08Speaker 02

  No, I have.

• 2:19:08Speaker 00

  No, you just said you're like the Chargers. You know the Chargers haven't won it. Okay.

• 2:19:13Speaker 03

  This is Shane's third on this machine. Eighth overall, which is tied with PFT.

• 2:19:18Speaker 00

  Beast, dude.

• 2:19:20Speaker 03

  After...

• 2:19:21Speaker 00

  Beast.

• 2:19:21Speaker 03

  With much fewer guesses.

• 2:19:24Speaker 00

  Who's got...

• 2:19:24Speaker 06

  What's Pug at?

• 2:19:26Speaker 00

  Hank and I have nine wins?

• 2:19:27Speaker 02

  Dynasty Pug.

• 2:19:28Speaker 00

  Hank, you have nine wins?

• 2:19:30Speaker 06

  Duh. Wait, do they?

• 2:19:32Speaker 00

  It says nine.

• 2:19:35Speaker 00

  I'll run this machine.

• 2:19:36Speaker 02

  Nine, yeah. Yeah, what did Pug have?

• 2:19:38Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 2:19:38Speaker 06

  It's not, Pug's not on here anymore.

• 2:19:39Speaker 02

  I think Pug had like twenty.

• 2:19:41Speaker 00

  So either way, the end of the story memes didn't get it and Shane did.

• 2:19:45Speaker 02

  Uh, happy birthday to Stetson Bennett. Happy birthday to Julie Roberts. Happy birthday to Jack Rabbit Jenkins. Happy birthday, Andy Dalton. Happy birthday to, uh, Tank Dell. Happy birthday to R.A. Dickey. Happy birthday to Bob Ross and happy birthday to Randy Jackson. Love you, guys.