NFL Week 5, Fastest 2 Minutes, Eagles Horrific Loss, The Worst Tie Ever, Bears Get Punk'd And A Seahawks/Niners Classic Plus Who's Back And MLB Playoffs

Fastest 2 Minutes and then we talk every game on Sunday (00:00:00-00:12:44) Jaguars 19, Eagles 17 (00:12:44-00:31:17) Giants 27, Commanders 27 (00:31:17-00:52:41) Packers 31, Bears 7 (00:52:41-01:06:59) Patriots 45, Raiders 17 (01:06:59-01:20:46) Steelers 34, Colts 22 (01:20:46-01:26:51) Jets 17, Browns 12 (01:26:51-01:40:03) Bengals 31, Dolphins 24 (01:40:03-01:43:18) Vikings 23, Saints 13 (01:43:18-01:46:37) Texans 26, Titans 3 (01:46:37-01:54:46) Broncos 23, Chargers 17 (01:54:46-01:58:56) Lions 45, Cardinals 21 (01:58:56-02:04:02) 49ers 32, Seahawks 29 (02:04:02-02:07:56) Ravens 30, Falcons 23 (02:07:56-02:19:04) We then talk playoff baseball and who's back of the week You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take https://barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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  On today's Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings, the sickos and perverts have a hell of a show ready for them because we had a hell of a Sunday. We're going to go through every game. We're going to start with fastest two minutes, the unreal ending to the Eagles game, the unreal ending to the Commander's game, the Bears getting absolutely punked in Lambeau, the Seahawks Niners game, which was incredible. We got some awesome football to recap.

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  Welcome to Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Monday, October 12th, week five.

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  Not gonna get him. Let me be the first to wish everybody out there a very happy Locktober. Locktober. And we start in London with Max and the Philadelphia Eagles.

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  We head across the pond where a beat up Eagles roster had Jalen saying, I'm really hurt. Do you think you could get me some help? And the only response he got was, you sound like you're in London. It was all Jags in the first quarter as Parker George Washington was mossing the Delaware County in route to an early lead. But then the Eagles started feasting on both sides of the ball with a healthy portion of fish and wicks with a side of Jalen tartar sauce to get the Eagles back in the game. Then to top it off, Darius

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  smoked the Jags defense to give the Birds the lead going into half. In the second half, Trevor Jennifer Lawrence was catching fire with Liam Cohn's silver shining playbook and was able to give the Jags the lead late in the fourth quarter. But after Britain Covey's bloody good punt return, Jake not so smelly it hit the game winning field goal with eight seconds left. Just kidding. Big stupid kick Sirianni decided to keep the ball in play, allowing the Jags to get into field goal range and win the fucking game. Eight seconds left, no timeouts. Eight seconds left, no timeouts. Eight seconds left, no timeouts. Eagles lose. Fuck me.

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  Thanks, Max. To Green Bay where the Packers look to raise the floor of their season and get off the mat against the Bears after a playoff loss last year and get off the mat. They did as they went bombs over Baghdad, the actual war, not the OutKast song on the Bears secondary. As the Packer faithful said, they like it. They Jordan love it. They want some more of it. Speaking of war, Tyson Bajin orange burnt my eyes out as he struggled to move the ball down the field all Sunday long. Beating the Bears today was elementary, my dear Christian Watson, as a wide receiver scored twice and the Bears became a pelt on his wall. Packers 31, Bears 7.

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  We go to Miami as Malik Willis Tower's season is up in the air with about 100 stories of why it looks like he's so high. But today it was a throwback as he put the Bengals in the searing sun. Killer Mike Kosicki tried to run the Jules Edelman routes for touchdowns and everyone was watching and getting secondhand embarrassment when they saw thrift chop Robinson pop some flags, trying to keep Cincinnati Joe in the pocket. I'm running, oops, I might be fumbling. This is fucking awesome. But the Bengals have former Giant Tanner Miracle on the Hudson, who isn't looking for Newark anymore after flying out of NYC a while back.

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  And now he's looking forward to colliding with the Ravens next week, fresh off a nice smooth touchdown. Joe Baronehouse has taken the franchise run by Dalton and elevated it as the expectations are no longer to get bounced in the first round. Bengals 31, Dolphins 24. We now head to Foxborough where Hank was there for the Patriots and Raiders.

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  In Foxborough, DiMario Pop Smoke Douglas said Raiders, welcome to the party. I hit Drake May up then go ride in the Ferrari, rah, after catching a 35 yard dunk for a touchdown. Rocket power Bowers caught a party wave touchdown from Kirk woogity woogity woogity woogity Cousins to tie the score at seven. Ramon De George Stevenson rocketed into the end zone, followed up by Hunter Henry Lockwood scoring a touchdown of his own and dapping up the entire team on the sideline afterwards. In the third quarter, Kyle Robin Williams told the Raiders defense, it's not your fault. It's not your fault. As he scampered by them on the way to the end zone and Drake Frey said, where did I

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  go wrong? I scored again. Suck on that Glenn tape watch you stupid man. Let's cut over to the Commander's game. Oh no, Jaden, the clock is still running.

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  Patriots win 45 17. Thanks Hank. We go to the Meadowlands, a soggy Meadowlands with memes.

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  In soggy MetLife, the Jets started off quick as Garrett Clark Wilson was running towards the end zone like a woman touched his driver to give the Jets a 7-0 lead. David Wallace Bailey reinvented himself sacking Deshaun Watson three times and telling him to suck it. Take out your suck it while you suck it. Deshaun Watson was shipping up to Denzel Boston to give the Browns a lead in late in the fourth, but Corey Feldman Borquez had the fat kid from Stand By Me snapping him the ball and sailing it over his head to set the Jets up in field goal range. Jets headed up to Braylon Allentown for the go ahead touchdown late. The Jets D smelled blood and if it bleeds, we can kill it as they defeated the Predator and told the Browns to go get to the chopper. Back to Cleveland, Jets 17, Browns 12.

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  Thanks memes. In Pittsburgh where I feel bad for whoever drank the Kool-Aid on the Indianapolis Colts and Daniel Jim Jones, but you have to know by now, he's not playing like a Guyana $80 million contract. Kicker Princess Diana Spencer Schrader had tunnel vision going five for five and Tyler Tony Warren was near perfect, but there was no funny business today for the Steelers and Aaron Roger Klotz dug deep throwing to Patty Mayonnaise Friermuth, who easily beats defenders for two scores. The real superstar of the day though, was Ray Jalen Warren, who must have watched the tape because there wasn't a hole. He was missing. He was easily averaging about six and a half soft and finished at

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  the end of the day with 188 total yards and two scores. Steelers 34, Colts 22. Down to New Orleans with Zach.

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  In New Orleans, Kendra Miller High Life reminds everyone why he's considered the champagne of running backs with a keg stand sized rush into the end zone, pouring on some points early for the Saints. Shortly after, Kyler Chad Michael Murray lets the Saints defense know, he don't want to be anything other than what he's been trying to be lately. All I ever do is throw passes to receivers of mine. And it's caught by Justin Long Jefferson who dodged ducks and dives through defenders like they were a bunch of wrench.

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  For a touchdown in gar out of nowhere. Miles Teller price floats his FA 18 super hornet six yards before pressing the big red eject button and the ball is out. Yannis Sankis babbles the recovery. El esta corriendo, el esta corriendo a la casa and it torces puntos. Finally, Aaron's rencenter Jones makes a deal with some interest free football for 90 days, taking advantage of the click guest to score touchdown to checkout button. Limited lifetime warranty for big scoring potential. Fall savings are here and so is a Vikings victory. Minutes over 23 Saints 13.

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  Thanks Zach to Los Angeles where if you asked me before, would the Chargers win this game? I'd say fat chance because Justin Herbertolo Cologne has not met expectations, throwing absolute meatballs to the other team week after week. One bright spot for the Chargers was Kamani Vidal Sassoon, who looked fabulous in hair cutting his way through the Broncos defense for a score. But when the game gets close, the big stupid picks guy shows up and Justin Herbert and Ernie played like a muppet, fumbling the ball and throwing a pick, leaving it wide open for Will. He is not a clutch to kick Denver to victory. Are the Broncos back or do they just play the Chargers? Broncos 23 Chargers 17.

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  Standing on the corner, Jameis Winston and Hope Oak in such a nine sight to see. It's JJ, my lord, holding a clipboard and nine has turned into 18. Come on, Jaden, we're all waiting on your outcome for your strange calculating.

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  Week five in the books and special shout out to all the sickos and perverts tuning in today because it's going to be a hell of an episode. They're going to love this one. Basically everything they wanted and dreamed for. If you're Hank Rider, shout out Gaz and Whitney, who probably have their pants off listening to this.

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  Yeah, they're enjoying it. They're enjoying it. They're mincing themselves.

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  They're lubed up, but let's get into it, boys. We had a crazy.

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  Hank lava hot.

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  We had a it's crazy because we had a week five that they're actually like weren't that many great games, but the moments that happened were very, very memorable.

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  There were some stupid, stupid moments.

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  Yes.

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  A lot of stupidity out there.

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  But there were a lot of games in the witching hour that had like, there were very inconsequential blowout stuff, but then there was a few, the moments we did have left, left a lasting imprint and we'll start with the Jaguars 19 Eagles 17, the early game, the international game. I'll say this right now, what they're doing to our boy Max is really mean because now we're back to back weeks where the Eagles have gone into a game where they were underdogs, where they, everyone going into it was like they're beat up. You know, last week they were beat up. This week, Lane Johnson retires, trading offensive lineman, going across the pond.

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  Two straight weeks, they go into a game where they're not supposed to win and they end up with 97% or higher win probability and then blow the game. They basically reel Max into the point where they can fully rip his guts out and it happened again with yet again, another two field goals under 10 seconds, which I saw the stat from 1970, the Superbowl era to 2026. It had never happened where there were two field goals under 10 seconds to end a game. It's now happened twice in the 2026 NFL season.

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  Yeah. Yeah. And the Eagles, I mean, they, they just kept going through it too, because Shipley got hurt like right off the bat. So they were forced to rely on Damian Pierce off the practice squad. And listen, I don't think the Eagles played poorly at all. I thought that the Jaguars, they probably should have been in a better position to win, but the, the one not, I mean, I think that, I think Liam Cohen's a really good head coach. I think that he's a really good offensive coach and he's doing stuff that's kind of next level. And he should get all the credit for elevating the Jaguars, what they're doing, but he's kind of a dumbass when it comes to certain situational football aspects.

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  He had beans for brains today.

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  He did.

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  He had, he had pork and beans for brains.

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  It didn't make a lot of sense. The end of the first half made, made no sense with the play calling. He was trying to get cute inside like on the one yard line.

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  Oh, you don't like a jet sweep with Christopher Rodriguez being the lead blocker on the outside with no time left?

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  I don't like that.

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  No.

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  I don't, I'm not afraid to say it. He was jacking off and it was not, it was not fun to watch when they just, they were playing good football and then it seems like they just try to outsmart themselves in the most situationally important parts of the game. But overall I thought, I thought the Jaguars played pretty good today and I thought that the Eagles played much better than most of us expected.

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  Well, the Eagles defense played well. Jalen Carter was an absolute force. And yeah, Liam Cohen had two moments, two, two goal line sets that were just baffling. The first was end of half to go for it with five seconds left and not take a field goal. And I get it. Everyone wants to go for it. The whole point though, and we've talked about this before, is that it, it, it makes sense to go for it on goal line, fourth and goal on like the one, when you have the opportunity to back up your opponent. So your opponent now has to, if they can't get a first down, they're going to punt, you're going to get good field position. At the end of the half, you don't have that. You, you, you're just going for it and not getting the benefit of the field position.

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  So the play calling was crazy, a jet sweep that took forever, that Christopher Rodriguez was the blocker on the outside. He got absolutely like blown by the guy who he's supposed to block makes the tackle and then fourth and or first and goal on the one in the fourth quarter, I believe, when they were like, hey, you know what? We got all the way down the field. Let's go into a weird wildcat formation. Oh, we got a penalty, false start. We're going to go backwards and they just kept on going backwards. That was stupid as well. But Max, how are you doing now that we've removed ourselves by, I don't know, like eight hours from the game?

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  Not as bad as I was right after the game.

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  Okay.

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  But still pretty fucking bad.

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  Okay. So the, the biggest problem, obviously, and it's a, you can tell us who, who's to blame, but the Eagles, the Jaguars miss an extra point to go up two. Eagles go down the field, kick a field goal with eight seconds left to win the game, so to speak. And then Jake Elliott, Jaguars have no timeout, so it's not even a Ravens Cowboys.

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  That's what I'm going to say. You brought you.

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  Yeah, yeah. It's not even a Ravens Cowboys situation. They can't, if you kick, if, if, if they, if the, like the Ravens, I think downed it and then had a big play in the middle of the field, called a timeout, hit a tight loop, field goal to win the game. This was no timeouts, just kick it out of the back of the end zone and make them do a stupid like fumble Ruski play that has a 0.01% chance of happening. Instead Jake Elliott kicks a line drive to Amir Abdullah. Shout out Nebraska knows a tough weekend, but that was a nice return from him. He's still in the league. I think he got drafted in like 2015. Line drive to Amir Abdullah, who returns it all the way into Cam Little's range with

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  one second left to kick the winning field goal.

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  The way that it went down, it couldn't have gone better because if he gets tackled five yards later, it, the game is over. If he gets tackled five yards before it's, it's out of field goal range. It was the exact amount of time and yards that allowed the Jags to win the game. But you just kick it out of bounds. You kick it out of bounds.

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  You kick it, yeah, into the end zone.

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  All you have to do at that point is defend the sideline. Anything in play is, is, is game over and the defense has been so fucking good all game.

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  Yeah.

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  Trust your defense over your special teams. The first play of the game, they returned it for a touchdown. Why are you? Giving them the opportunity to go fucking do that again. Kick the ball in the fucking end zone and have your all-class defense win a fucking game so easily. It's so fucking easy. Why are you overthinking it? Just fucking do it. Put the ball in the fucking end zone and trust your fucking defense. I said I wasn't that mad anymore and now I'm mad again.

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  Yeah, I mean, you have every right to be mad. That was a, that was an insane way to lose the game. And, and honestly, Max, it's not even like, yes. Number one, kick it out of the end zone. Number two, if you can't kick it out of the end zone, kick it out of bounds. Number three, kick a pop fly so that your, your, your coverage team can get down there. He kicked a fucking direct shot to Amir Abdullah like it was a kick designed to be returned. In a situation where all you had to do was not do that.

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  It was crazy.

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  And not to mention in the, the drive before that's, that led up to the field goal. Why are we throwing it on back-to-back plays with two incompletes? To stop the clock and allow for eight seconds. Run the fucking football. Jake Elliott has been awesome this year. Trust your fucking kicker. Make it the last play of the fucking game. Why are we doing this for five fucking yards? What difference is five fucking yards gonna do when you can just take the last play of the game?

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  Yeah, no, I think it's a valid point.

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  Absolute masterclass of fucking stupidity from Nick Sirianni to end that game. And he said it after the game. He fucking lost the game.

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  You know, Jake Elliott said the, the plan was to, for the kickoff to keep the ball in bounds.

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  Yeah, no, that's why, yeah. Nick Sirianni said like, I did not tell him to, I should have told him to kick it in the end zone. I didn't, I told him.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  No, he told him to kick it inbound. That.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Right, right. He, but he said he should have told him to kick it into the end zone. Instead, he told him to kick it into the landing zone, which is exactly what you don't want to do. And then they, they asked Jalen Hurts about that after the game, that sequence you're talking about, Max. And he just basically said, I just work here, man. I don't know why you're asking me.

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  Well, the Eagles can't run the ball right now.

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  But that's fine. Take a fucking knee.

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  Yeah, or do a tush push.

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  Anything, anything. Just make that the last play of the game.

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  He said, it's not my place. When I'm up at night, I think about should I have said something? So he's gonna be thinking about that tonight.

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  So he's gonna be like, it could have gone down different.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Also really bad in the second half. He, he just keeps doing the same fucking thing.

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  The second half, the Eagles are just so bad. It's a second half team. I don't get it either.

• 21:27Speaker 03

  I don't get it. They cut, it's, it's the same, even the Bears game. We got fucking smoked in that Bears game. But the first half, they, they looked good. They, they were right in that game and it's every, it's, we just see the same fucking thing. Week in and week out, it's like, oh, Jalen Hurts looks great. First half, the offense looks great. And then the second half comes around and it's like they've never fucking played football before. They're a pee-wee team that can't move the ball.

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  We're five, we're five games into the season. The Eagles in the second half this season, they have scored 23 points, which is last. They have 495 total yards, which is last. 51.7% of their drives are three and outs. So half their drives are three and outs in the second half last. And 4.0 pass yards in an attempt, which is last. They just break in the second half every single game. It's crazy.

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  Well, we've, we've run out of offensive linemen. We don't have anymore. We, we have our fourth, our fourth string center played today, third string left guard, second string right tackle, and then our third string right tackle played right guard today.

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  How's, how's Bowling Ball of Knives?

• 22:31Speaker 03

  I think he was good. I don't know. I don't.

• 22:33Speaker 00

  You gotta watch the tape. You gotta watch the tape. You gotta watch the tape. It was.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  I've also found out that I don't like watching the tape when they lose.

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  Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, completely fair.

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  Yeah, I, I, I got into the tape. I watched it, the, the two games that they won and it was fun. And when they lose, it's like, I don't want to look at this game at all.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, you just want, you want to watch highlights, but like different angles of highlights.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Well, I like.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  That's what the tape is really good for. Yeah.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Well, I like to critique games that I, we've won.

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  Right.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  I don't like to look at games that we've lost.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  But that's where it is. Like if you, if your team has a big win, you spend the next like three hours watching all the highlights from it. And then you run out of highlights to watch, but then like a day later, when the all 22 is up, like I have entirely new angles to see all these great plays on.

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  Like I would love to watch the Jalen Carter all 22 of this game.

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  Dude, he was a beast in that first half. Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  He was so good in this game.

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  He was a wrecking ball. So, I mean, it is, it is mean what they've done to you because this was.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  The Jaguars.

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  You're seven and a half point underdogs. You went into this game being like, hey, we're just gonna, you know, we're the underdogs again. This is gonna be fun being the underdog, scrapping. And you did exactly that. You played underdog football. You scrapped. You played defense. Like you let them make mistakes and, and to have that happen is just insane. That's the longest flight that's ever been taken. Like move over Amelia Earhart. I know you're probably still in the air. This is the longest flight ever.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  It's, it's a bad, bad loss. Yes. Because you had it, you had it won. You weren't the better team today. The Jaguars played, they were really good. Parker Washington had an awesome game.

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  Awesome.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  He was really, really good. But the Eagles did everything that they had to do to win the game and, uh, yeah, just brain fart at the end.

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  The Jaguars, by the way, are, uh, the first team since 2011 to win back-to-back games where they've had 13 or more penalties. So that's an issue for the Jaguars. 13 penalties, 100 yards. Uh, that's an issue for the Jaguars, but they've done, they keep winning. They keep winning. It was not a, it was not a good-looking game for the Jaguars. And they probably shouldn't have won, given the fact that the game was over. But they found a way to win.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 24:34Speaker 00

  They found a way to win.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Also shout out to Eagles fans. That, that was awesome.

• 24:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was a home game.

• 24:38Speaker 03

  They traveled to London and they forced two delay of games at the goal line because they were so loud.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was very cool. Also considering that this should be a home game for, for the Jaguars.

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  It is technically.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  And just, yeah, it was, it was literally a home game for them. Uh, but like to get, to get out shown, I think the, the Eagles are just like probably the only fan base that could do that.

• 24:56Speaker 00

  What do you do with Nick Sirianni right now?

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  He's a bad guy right now. He's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. I don't know.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Is there a mutiny?

• 25:10Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  I read a headline that there might be a mutiny. I didn't dive into the body of the article, but it said possible mutiny.

• 25:15Speaker 00

  Mutiny?

• 25:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, mutiny.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  I'm sick of them losing fucking games and he goes to the podium and he's like, first thing you gotta do is look at yourself.

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  Yep.

• 25:22Speaker 03

  Like.

• 25:23Speaker 00

  He's like, he's actually kind of a narcissist.

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  He does it every fucking night.

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  How much he's had to look at himself this year is like, hey dude, he's that one friend who's always checking themselves out in like the, the, the car windows? Come on, Nick.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  You know what my favorite, my favorite post-game quote was? It was from Britton Covey.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  What'd he say?

• 25:38Speaker 02

  He said, uh, that Nick is wonderful at owning things. And we all try to follow his lead.

• 25:45Speaker 00

  Is he talking like a house, a jet ski?

• 25:47Speaker 02

  No, in terms of like saying, hang up, I fucked up.

• 25:49Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Like Nick, Nick Sirianni might be the best coach in the NFL and being like, hey, I fucked up.

• 25:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  They, you could, you just gotta stop fucking up and you can, and you don't have to say that all the time.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not a good thing to be great at, at admitting that you fucked up.

• 26:02Speaker 00

  Constantly being the my bad guy. At some point you gotta be like, hey, how about let's just now have it be your bad?

• 26:06Speaker 02

  It's Cam Ward.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Keep saying you gotta look in the mirror and then nothing changes. So you gotta get a buck, better fucking mirror, man.

• 26:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, we gotta take the mirrors out of his house.

• 26:18Speaker 03

  No, we gotta get more mirrors. We gotta get clearer mirrors.

• 26:21Speaker 00

  You get like carnival mirrors and make them look fat. And he's like, oh my God, I gotta change everything. That's what you need to do.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, the mirrors that he has are not, either get rid of all of them or, or change them up. Maybe make them just one-way mirrors.

• 26:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, because right now Nick Sirianni is looking in the mirror and he's still saying, I'm Nick Sirianni. I'm a Super Bowl winning head coach. I look pretty cool. We need to make him look grotesque.

• 26:43Speaker 00

  Like maybe, maybe we draw Sharpie a dick on the mirror. So every time he looks in the mirror, it's like, oh dude, you got a dick in your mouth. What are you doing? Not if there's anything wrong with that.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  It was bad. This was, I, the only saving grace is that I didn't have to watch that in the cave.

• 26:57Speaker 00

  I know. We, we were like, man, we wish you were here.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  See you.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  I, well, it was just, you've seen it before. I mean, it's also the first, I think it's like the first time I've like ever watched an Eagles game with my wife. And she was just sitting there very awkwardly quiet as I watched what happened and just.

• 27:15Speaker 00

  Screaming?

• 27:15Speaker 03

  I had a, no, I wasn't screaming at all. It was just silence. It was like.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  You weren't screaming at all?

• 27:20Speaker 03

  No, I, I swear.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  I, I, I just.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  You didn't scream once.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  It was, it was a speech, it was speechless. I hadn't, I had no, I had no words of what I had just watched.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  No screams?

• 27:32Speaker 02

  You didn't say a word?

• 27:36Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  They were, Amir Abdullah returns the kick. He gets tackled.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  And you didn't say.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Cam Little goes onto the field.

• 27:43Speaker 00

  The fuck? Come on!

• 27:45Speaker 02

  Kicks the field goal.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  I don't think.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  And then goes up to the crowd and, and like.

• 27:48Speaker 03

  I was like, it was more like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Did you think there was a chance Cam Little missed the kick?

• 27:54Speaker 03

  No, I knew.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, all right. Good. At least they didn't put, like, cause the minute he ran it back, it's like, Cam Little's fucking awesome.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  Oh no, I knew that was good. Like as soon as they got it into field. Oh my God, they lost the game.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, then I the whole time I was watching, I was like, dude, if it is a really hard thing to ask uh someone on the coverage team do, but imagine if he had had the the the mind to just hold them up.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was the other thing. No, it was literally it was the perfect spot on the field.

• 28:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Perfect spot on the field.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, or just like just run with them for a couple more seconds.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Like next to him like you're going for a jog and then tackle him.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Hank, do you have any uh questions for Max, thoughts for Max? Did you watch the game, Hank? You're an international guy?

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, love international.

• 28:34Speaker 00

  You watched the game?

• 28:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 00

  All of it?

• 28:36Speaker 04

  All of it.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  Okay, I don't I don't believe you.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  I watched the end of it.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  Not the very end. I actually thought the uh I went and took a shower after the

• 28:45Speaker 00

  After the Eagles hit their field goal?

• 28:46Speaker 02

  That was the end.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Cause it was like running late and I was like, oh, I gotta, I gotta.

• 28:49Speaker 00

  So then when you came out, what went through your head?

• 28:51Speaker 04

  I genuinely didn't see it till like 30 minutes later. Like I started watching the rest of the games. I opened up my DraftKings. I bet the Eagles money line. I was like, oh, and then I was confused. And then I was really convinced. I couldn't I could not believe it.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  Damn, did you scream?

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did scream.

• 29:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, you have to scream.

• 29:10Speaker 04

  Which is why I know Max screamed.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  You definitely screamed. At least walked into your you didn't walk into your bedroom after and like yell into a pillow or anything?

• 29:20Speaker 03

  No.

• 29:21Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  I think that they need to do something about the timing of these games. Because this game, it wasn't even like I didn't run into overtime and it's still and it felt like it ended. I don't like when there's overlap.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, you know what?

• 29:34Speaker 02

  It has to end before the other game.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  You know what you should do? They should play them in America.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  At at the normal windows to play a football game.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  I love international. I'm all about growing the game. I do the

• 29:48Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  The early morning sometimes it is kind of a force.

• 29:51Speaker 00

  We got another one next week.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  I know. It's kind of a force.

• 29:54Speaker 00

  Big time force.

• 29:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  I have a take.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  I'm I like Jason Kelsey. I think he's a nice guy. I think he's a talented broadcaster.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  Don't do this to Max.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  I think he's a good podcaster.

• 30:04Speaker 00

  Don't do this to Max.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  If you're a Jaguars fan, you're watching that game, you want to destroy your television.

• 30:10Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, everything's against you. You you have a home game where it's Eagles fans screaming.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  But usually the announcers, if it's it's one thing to like opt into them. It's another thing if it's the only broadcast that you can watch on TV and it's an FL network. And then Jason Kelsey is just talking about how great the Eagles are the whole time. If I'm I was able to deal with it because I like Jason Kelsey and and whatever. But if you're a Jaguars fan watching that game, that's got to be the most infuriating experience of all time.

• 30:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, you have a fair gripe.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  I disagree.

• 30:40Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  I think he was being too impartial. There were there were multiple times I was watching that game where I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

• 30:47Speaker 00

  Jason, we know what you're really thinking.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  I need you to be a homer.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I like that. They had two different sides of the same.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  Well, there were times that he was like.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  He loves Josh Heinz Allen.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  I know.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  He kept.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  He was complimenting a lot of the Jags and I was like, J- Jason, come on now.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  Well, he was like, I really gained a lot of respect for Josh Heinz Allen because Josh Heinz Allen went out of his way to tell me how much he loved Lane Johnson. So I'm a big Josh Heinz Allen guy now.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, he should have been more of a homer. I know, like, I I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all, to be to be quite honest with you.

• 31:18Speaker 00

  All right, you guys have a bye week?

• 31:20Speaker 03

  No.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 31:22Speaker 00

  You playing the Panthers next week?

• 31:23Speaker 03

  We get the Panthers coming off of a bye. So we not only get a bye, we have to play a team coming off of a bye.

• 31:30Speaker 00

  Ew.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Which that makes zero sense.

• 31:32Speaker 00

  That's brutal. Why do they do that to you? But hey, do you want to say the thing that you said to him last week that you can say to him? It still applies today.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  I forget what I said to him. I say a lot of things to Max. Max, you can still win the division. You're right in the thick of it.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  Max?

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 31:51Speaker 00

  Did you hear what PFT said? You can still win the division.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  Even the Eagles aren't out of it yet.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  Eagles are are favorites to win the division.

• 32:00Speaker 03

  They're favorites to win the division.

• 32:01Speaker 00

  Plus 170.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  You got this, Max.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  The uh

• 32:03Speaker 03

  Commanders plus 750.

• 32:05Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Maybe worth a sprinkle.

• 32:08Speaker 00

  Play some good ball there. You want to go to that game? Let's do it.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Go ball.

• 32:11Speaker 00

  All right, Giants 27, Commanders 27. Uh, our guy PMT Stats put it perfectly when he he tweeted, uh, the NFC East had two teams play one another, a team that led while kicking off with eight seconds left, a team that played an 0-4 team, and they won zero games this week.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 32:28Speaker 00

  That's pretty hard to do.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  Giants 27, Commanders 27.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  That's I don't think that's fair because the Giants won.

• 32:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  The Giants won this tie.

• 32:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Well, you always say that that there's always a winner and a loser in a tie. When we tied England in the World Cup in Qatar, we beat the shit out of them in that 0-0 tie. The commanders choked away this tie.

• 32:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  Where we are the losers of the tie. And it's weird because you could make the argument earlier in that overtime that the Giants choked away their tie.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  Cam Scataboo.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Scataboo. I mean, I guess we can take it. Do you want to do the end of the game first?

• 33:06Speaker 00

  Whatever you want to do. It's your game. Yeah.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Hank, you tell me.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  End of the game first.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  End of the game first. Okay, so a lot of people are asking, hey, P.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  I've been waiting like five hours for this.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Hey, PFT, uh, do you blame? Who do you blame for the way that the game ended?

• 33:19Speaker 00

  Initially, it was Dan Quinn in the cave.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  The answer is I blame Jaden Daniels 100% and I blame Dan Quinn 100%.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  And I think what happened was, number one, in the post-game interviews that they did, it seemed like Jaden was trying to say something that he wasn't actually.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  Can you describe for the people that didn't see, maybe the listeners that didn't get to watch the game?

• 33:41Speaker 02

  For the blind listeners.

• 33:42Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes. Set the scene.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Okay, so with about 51 seconds left, we have the ball, we're driving, we've reached, I believe, the 24-yard line.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  It's 27-27. It's overtime. No timeouts left.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  No timeouts for the commanders, which it's at the 24-yard line.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  It's important to say because I don't know if everyone on the commanders knew that.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  It's there's no timeouts. We have zero timeouts left. And uh, we run the ball with Rashad White. We take our sweet ass time. Jaden standing there with both his hands in the hand warmers. So there's like no urgency. You can tell that they're doing something intentional, deliberate, blah, blah, blah. Then they get up, uh, they run in motion, they they bleed the clock down. And uh, they run a play. Jaden drops back from under center, handing the ball off to no one, play fake to no one, then panics, takes a couple of steps forward to his left, and then he dives at a defender's leg, uh, thereby keeping the clock running. As I said, no timeouts.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  And then they weren't able to get a snap off to spike it to kick a field goal, which would have been about a 41-yard field goal at the last second.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  Also, there was no urgency. Once he went down for about three seconds, he didn't realize that the clock was running.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  Right, there's no urgency at that point. So um, I should also mention that I think it was Jonathan Vilma on the broadcast. He had no idea what was going on. He was saying, okay, they're going to try to get the ball in good position here uh, for their kicker to kick it. So he had no idea that there were no timeouts, which is like.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  He get 100% of the blame?

• 35:09Speaker 02

  No, yeah, yeah, actually, yes. Good point, Hank. But um, that's why I think I was confused when I was watching it too. Because it was like, wait a second, what's what's going on here?

• 35:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're centering the ball. Wait a second, they have no time.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  So why I say it's 100% on Jaden because I think good organizations and good coaches, offensive coordinators and head coaches will make sure to run through every scenario with their quarterback before a play like that. I think they'll leave no doubt in in anybody's mind what's going on. I think a good coach would do that. Um.

• 35:42Speaker 00

  Oh, Max is circling something.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  The commanders talked about not having any timeouts in the huddle.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  So they did. They were aware.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Ball with White. So in between that white run to the end of the game, what was that communication like in the huddle? Did you guys know there was a timeout? Was that you didn't have any timeouts left? Was that talked about in the huddle after the white run? That was that was talked about in the huddle, yes.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  Right. So so what I'm saying is a good organization will say, here's what you do. Throw the ball out of bounds or clock it if that read is not there. Um, apparently they did not say that explicitly, but you should not have to say that explicitly. Your quarterback should know exactly what's going on. He did not know what was going on. Um, so yeah, and then in the post-game press conference,

• 36:30Speaker 02

  I feel like he was trying to say something without actually saying it. And I'm still kind of confused as to exactly what it was because he was talking about how it's like an entire team from the top down. Um, so Jane said, we all have to be better situationally. Starts with me. Everybody will say the same thing, but we just got to be better at situational football. We got to stop the clock. We got to know the situation. We got to relay that as an offense. It starts from everybody, top down. Ultimately, it's on me. It sounded like he was trying to say something about the coaching staff.

• 36:59Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Without saying something about the coaching staff. And if he if they did tell him the situation and he's trying to blame them, that's a scumbag move. Uh, now I think it's on Dan Quinn also because like he should have gone through. You go through every scenario if you're a a really good head coach like that. You make it very clear what your quarterback's going to do. Obviously, your quarterback should know what to do, but you have to go that step. And I think that ultimately Dan Quinn is going to bear most of the responsibility for this because he got Magic Johnson tweeting mad.

• 37:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  And Magic Johnson never, he never posts mad.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  He was mad.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  Magic Johnson usually has, it's like buying a handgun. There's usually like a three-day waiting period that Magic Johnson has before he is allowed to post after he's mad.

• 37:42Speaker 00

  He said, I'm in total disbelief. My commanders had such poor clock management in today's overtime game against the Giants. All we had to do was kick the field goal and we would have won the game.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  Yep. So that's not something that Magic Johnson would normally say.

• 37:56Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  That to me tells me Dan Quinn might be, the seat might be hotter than hot.

• 38:00Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Like it might be a your your card doesn't work on Monday type hot.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  Max, you look like you had a question.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  You're acting like Jayden Daniels like doesn't know how to play football.

• 38:15Speaker 00

  I don't mean that. No, he just needs to get told like exactly what to do, when to snap the ball, where to throw it. And if he doesn't do that, it's not his fault.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  I said rewind, rewind, rewind this like 30 seconds, the point where I said.

• 38:29Speaker 03

  Quinn is going to get the responsibility like.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think he'll, I think he'll be the one. I don't think that Magic Johnson's going to cut Jayden Daniels.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  Well, that's not crazy for PFT to say that, that the coach will get the blame.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 38:41Speaker 00

  But Jayden Daniels has to know, like, and he deserves, it's his third year.

• 38:46Speaker 02

  I literally said that. I'm saying that like, he has to know that. That's, that's on him.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Five times, it's like a good organization doesn't do.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  I think, I think both those things are true.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  I think a good quarterback doesn't do that.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  I, I think that most quarter, if, yes.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Like you said, a good organization five times. I don't think you ever like.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. I said it was his responsibility. I said like, he should have known that. Absolutely. It's on him. He's the quarterback. He has to know that.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  Anyone who knows football, like everyone watching that game knew that.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  So I think, I think what happened, if I.

• 39:18Speaker 00

  Not Jonathan Vilma.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, not Jonathan Vilma. A hundred percent of the blame. Watching the play over again, it looked like something in the play wasn't what he expect, as soon as the ball got snapped, something was different about the play than what he expected. He panicked and he went for it and he dove and it's not.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  He's got to throw it away.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  It's not an excuse. I'm saying that's, that's what happened. It was a bad, bad play and it is his responsibility to know that.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  But I still don't know if he knew because he didn't get up right away. Like he didn't. I, I don't think he was like when he, when he went down, he didn't get, he didn't get up for like four seconds. He just kind of sat there until the rest of the team was like, dude, we gotta go.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  It was Josh Connerly. Yeah. That was the first one to identify. So like it's, it's weird. I don't, I don't know. I'm reading between the lines with what he said at his press conference, what Dan Quinn said at his press conference. And it seems like they're both ultra committed to not saying anything at all and not saying anything of substance. So like, you have to read between the lines a little bit, but the bottom line is Jayden Daniels has to know exactly what's going on. Dan Quinn, good organizations, good coaches will just like tell them the exact scenario.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  But you say that, but then when the players, when you see the like, the, I don't know if that was the offensive lineman, like he said that the players were aware of the situation. Yeah, they knew they had no timeouts. So what, if they knew they had no timeouts, what didn't the coaches do? Like, did they, like, what were they supposed to tell him? For them to not have blame.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  I don't know. My, for who to not have blame?

• 40:48Speaker 00

  The coaches. Like you're saying, it's like the coaches, organization, like they should have been more specific. Like some of the players knew.

• 40:55Speaker 00

  It sounds like they all knew.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, he's, he said some of the players knew. I saw another interview with somebody else that said, not so much. So like, I don't know. I don't, I don't know exactly. I don't think we're ever going to know. All that happened. The bottom line is that Jayden has to know the situation and throw the ball away. Or spike it. Just throw the ball into the ground. It's not hard to do.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Like, it looked like the, the play call had a, a throwaway. Like they, they designed the play. There's a guy going to the sideline that all he has to do is throw it over his head.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  Like 82 is right, is right there. All he has to do is throw it over 82.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I, I don't know. I don't know what happened. And, and the reason for like no rush whatsoever.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  I think he just had it like a complete brain fart.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  He might've had a complete brain fart.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Like they, they had, it seemed like they had the play. They knew they.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  He might've forgotten how much time was left on the.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  I think he had a complete brain fart because he didn't get up right away. If he'd gotten up right away, you'd have been like, oh, that was just a broken play. Something fucked up happened in the play. He literally didn't get up for three seconds until someone was like, dude, get up.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  So that's like, he just didn't know the situation.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, it's, it was a terrible play and he fucked it up.

• 42:04Speaker 00

  Hank, do you have any questions?

• 42:08Speaker 00

  Trying to think. No, like the, I guess if a hundred, you can't, there's, there's only a hundred percent of blame pie on the table. So you can't do a hundred and a hundred.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  I got two pies though.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  No, there's one pie.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  Why can't I do two pies?

• 42:21Speaker 00

  Cause then I'm asking a question in a scenario, there's one pie.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:24Speaker 00

  Where, where does that pie get split up?

• 42:26Speaker 02

  So I could do the thing where, uh.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  Jonathan Vilma's got to get 1%.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm saying five.

• 42:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  For JV, but I, uh, you can look at other stuff that happened in the game. You can say that Dan Quinn had the most cowardly punt of the NFL season. So far, when he punted the ball away in overtime at fourth and five, he gave the ball up. Like that was a bad move. He said, Dan Quinn has some responsibility for not calling a timeout at the very end of the game. When the Giants had the ball on their own one yard line and let them just take a knee at the one. And, uh, there were like six seconds left in the game. And then you could try to get, you could try to tackle them for a safety. Like they're, they're backed up that far, literally at their own goal line. Why not make them run another play at that point? Um, there's, there's other stuff you can point out, like a missed extra point in the game and be like, that should have happened.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  There's a lot of bad stuff that happened. Um, but yeah, that adds like, who gets the responsibility for that last play? Is that what you're asking?

• 43:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  One thing that you, that you can give Dan Quinn the credit, the, you know, the blame for, you just shouldn't even be running that play. Like, yeah, like even calling that play opens up a bad thing. Cause like, God, he, he could have, there could have been a great pressure and he got sacked and he couldn't even get it away. And intentionally grounding, just kick, just kick the fucking ball. Just kick the fucking.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  So it was an intermediate pass play. So I guess the, the idea was like, try to get four yards to the sideline.

• 43:52Speaker 03

  See, that's what pisses me off with the same thing of the Eagles game. Just trust your fucking kicker.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  Four yards makes no fucking difference. It makes no, like, how many fucking times do you see? Good from wherever, good from wherever. If it's a good kick, it's a good fucking kick. Four yards. 98% of the time is not going to make a single difference.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  So why risk it?

• 44:12Speaker 02

  I mean, ultimately this is, I think there's no way that this happens. Uh, a lot of it you have to look at and say, if Jayden played and was in these scenarios more often and he was on the field, he's more used to being there. Less likely to have a brain fart. That's kind of what it comes down to.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  That's fair.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  And, and maybe it was a brain fart. Maybe he was told some, some wrong information that we're not being shared. I don't know. They're, they're very weird with how they're talking about it. My guess is that they're just all kind of trying to protect one person, whether that's Dan Quinn or whether that's Jayden. I don't know. Uh, but it's bad. It was a very, very bad ending of a very winnable game, uh, 41 yard field goal. And it's not like, like we didn't need to run the clock down. Because you, if you make the field goal, that's game over. They're not getting the ball back. We're not going to have to kick off. Um, and then there's ultimately some blame pie that goes to the, uh, the defense in the fourth quarter. And, and we got.

• 45:07Speaker 00

  Jameis got caught fire.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Jameis caught fire.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  Isaiah Likely caught fire.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  We got Jameis big time and they went, they figured out in the fourth quarter, we got to start going Mikey hunting. And, uh, I don't know why it took them that long to do it. Cause the defense is pretty good through three quarters. And then they went Mikey hunting and, uh, yeah, Likely and Neighbors both had career days, just lit us up. And, uh, yeah, I mean, credit to the Giants for, for fighting back and going on a couple of long drives in the fourth quarter that ended up tying the game. I also think that the Giants should have gone for two after they ended up, uh, scoring the, uh, the touchdown that took them to one point behind at the end of the fourth. But I think ultimately that's one thing about Harbaugh. I, he's not an aggressive coach. He just always had Lamar Jackson telling him, we got to go for it now.

• 45:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  The Giants need to figure out who on that team is going to be the Lamar Jackson.

• 45:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  That he trusts that he'll have to just give him that boost and be like, hey, coach, we should go for this.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  So we can say, okay, because he doesn't have that killer instinct right now.

• 46:05Speaker 00

  Harbaugh had some funny quotes after the game. He said, our defense, uh, has been playing, or we know, he said, uh, on Jameis Winston, I thought he was amazing in the fourth quarter, the second half, the first half, he wasn't. He'll be the first to tell you that. That's, that's a good coach. Just giving some, some hard truth. And then he said, I'm, I'm happy it wasn't a loss and I'm sad it wasn't a win. So that's how I feel. So I know it sounds obvious, but that's kind of how you feel. That's a perfect way to, to sum it up.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's crazy because the, the overtime in this game had so many swings.

• 46:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  So fourth and five, like I said, we punted the ball away. That was the cat, most cowardly punt, uh, in the NFL this season that Dan Quinn chose to do. Then the Giants, uh, come back down the field later on and the Giants end up at, at our 24 yard line. And Cam Scataboo fumbles. I think it was Doron Payne, uh, punched the ball out. Fumbles at the 24 when they could have just taken a knee and kicked a field goal and they would have won. So now we get the ball back when we would have just been begging for a tie off from this field goal. And we go down the field, then we fuck everything up. And then all of a sudden the Giants win the tie.

• 47:07Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  It was a back and forth tie.

• 47:08Speaker 00

  It's back and forth tie. So what was, what was the blame pie on the last play?

• 47:13Speaker 02

  On the last play, without us knowing everything, I'm going to say 75% Jayden, 25% Dan Quinn.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Now who's going to end up eating shit for it? Probably Dan Quinn.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  I'd agree with that. Do you think there's any, any like beef in the locker room? Like with some of the players not having Jayden's back and like, you know, as it comes back to the Arizona state stuff, is that, is that something that, is that brewing?

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Good question. No.

• 47:36Speaker 00

  Or is that, that's just, that's nonsense?

• 47:37Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't think so. They're all pretty happy. They're pretty happy with him today. Cause he did play well. And he was, uh, you know, he looked good running the ball.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  He ran really well.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  He had over a hundred yards rushing, uh, was pretty effective in passing. He, he fucked up a couple of third downs. Uh, that probably would have put the game away, but overall I'd say he, he played a decent game throwing the ball and, and a great game running the ball. So, uh, I think his teammates love it. I think it was the fastest that he's ever run today.

• 48:04Speaker 00

  That's awesome.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I think he's, I think he's okay. I don't think that they hate him. It was also, the day got off to a weird start with Adam Schefter being like, hey, according to league circle doctors, uh, he's probably going to dislocate his elbow again.

• 48:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was weird.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  That's weird news.

• 48:20Speaker 00

  Schefter had a weird weekend.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  He did.

• 48:21Speaker 00

  Which we'll talk about when we get to the Texans game. Uh, okay. So Giants now, uh, heads top of the NFC East. What? Three, one and one? It's great that we got a tie. It was also just the most hilarious tie ever. From, from an, uh, objective third party. It was quite a ridiculous tie to have. So because the both teams felt like they were going to win. And then it's like, oh shit, I didn't, I wasn't even thinking about a tie.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. The, uh, the Giants were 0 and 230 since 1970, when they were trailing by 14 plus points in the final eight minutes of regulation. They are now 0, 230 and one.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  Now they got a tie.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  They got a tie out of it.

• 48:58Speaker 00

  Now they got a tie.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  They're off the schneid. So if, if we had won this game, I probably would have felt really good. Like we're back. Now it's, this feels like classic Redskins football. This feels like all the bad vibes that have ever happened. And it does feel like this is, this is the type of thing that is more likely to make a team fall apart at the seams. And it is to bring them closer together.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  I would say.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  But I guess we'll find out next Monday night in San Francisco.

• 49:22Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  Oof, that's a tough draw.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  That'll be tough.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  Who's line is that anyway?

• 49:28Speaker 02

  I'm gonna guess.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  Fifteen and a half.

• 49:31Speaker 00

  Seven and a half.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Fifteen, yeah, seven and a half sounds about right.

• 49:34Speaker 00

  That's about maybe eight and a half.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  I think it's seven or seven and a half.

• 49:37Speaker 00

  Eight and a half could be good.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  It's fourteen and a half.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Seven and a half.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Cause I don't, I don't think that the commanders are that bad, but that was a very bad way to, to.

• 49:49Speaker 00

  Tie.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  To lose a tie.

• 49:51Speaker 00

  To lose a tie.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:52Speaker 00

  You good Hank? Do you got any other questions?

• 49:54Speaker 04

  Uh, no, it's it. Yeah. I guess the, with the, with the NFC beast being the new NFC South, like, do you still think you can win the division?

• 50:01Speaker 02

  They are the Billy Baldwin of divisions. So yes. Yes, I do. I don't think it's.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  I think anyone can win that division.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Like I said, it's, it's gonna be tough because this is the type of thing that will make for infighting and like people playing the blame game. And then that's not ever gonna make a team closer, but strictly from how we played today. Uh, taking away that very last second brain fart, I think that we still could because the division is ass.

• 50:26Speaker 00

  I think anyway, if you stack enough ties.

• 50:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  You could, you could win the vision. What were you gonna say Zach?

• 50:31Speaker 05

  Uh, quick question. Uh, PFT, who would you want the blame to fall on in the organization?

• 50:35Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  Like who, who do I want to see fired?

• 50:37Speaker 05

  Yeah. Like who do you want? If it comes out like, hey, we gotta blame somebody. Who do you want to be blamed the most here?

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Uh, I would like to blame.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  Jonathan Vilma.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Jonathan, well, he's number one, obviously, but he's not in the organization.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  You gotta hire him and fire him and be like, see?

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:51Speaker 00

  We got someone for you guys.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  Whoever's in charge of, uh, just sticking Luke McCaffrey on special teams and not using him.

• 50:58Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 50:58Speaker 00

  Do you think there's a chance that Dan Quinn hires a nerd?

• 51:02Speaker 02

  It is a very Dan Quinn thing to do because.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  Definitely see him hiring a nerd being like, here's our nerd. He's gonna make sure this doesn't happen again.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  The reason why I'm, I'm still not completely convinced that it's not Dan Quinn's fault what happened at the end. It's like, he does. He did have that whole 28 to three thing.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. But yeah, maybe it's a nerd.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  He's never been a master of the clock.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  Maybe it's like, you know, you hire, you hire someone to look over. The, uh, nuclear station after Chernobyl. Be like, hey, we got a guy who's making sure that. There's no, there's no accidents anymore.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  But again, that's something that could very easily be done.

• 51:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't think that you, you necessarily needed a nerd in this situation. You needed to figure out what to do.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  No, just basic situational awareness.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Also, the, the thing that I'm confused by why i- if it's all agreed that this is just gonna be a clocking of the ball, why was Jaden under center?

• 51:53Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  That seems like line him up and shotgun. And then you, you don't have to worry about the exchange or anybody getting stepped on. That seems, that's.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  Well, no, under center would be clocking the ball.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  That's a weird part to me. Well, it obviously wasn't like a clocking, like a straight down spike.

• 52:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  It was the Kirk Cousins. You spiked that where he took a knee.

• 52:11Speaker 00

  Uh, okay. Uh, and credit to Giants for, for forcing a tie. Scataboo was a monster. Uh, and Jameis, Jameis is. I, I don't really know what's, they did bring in J J McCarthy for a play. He just got smoked. Uh, that seemed kinda mean. It was actually two plays, I think. Yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Couple of plays.

• 52:27Speaker 00

  And he, he, it was like an RPO and he just got swallowed up. So it's good to see him out there.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 52:33Speaker 00

  He was sitting underneath the, the. Field goal post before the game doing his zen stuff. So he's back, kind of.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  It does feel like they're, they're conditioning us to have Jaden lose the starting job soon.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  What?

• 52:46Speaker 02

  That's what it felt, felt like to me.

• 52:47Speaker 04

  Jameis?

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Jameis. Oh, Jameis. No, did I say Jameis?

• 52:51Speaker 00

  That was a slip.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Is it eight in time?

• 52:53Speaker 00

  Forty in slip.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Is it time for eight? No, I'm talking about Jameis because J J got in a few times and Jameis did not. Looked like he was ready for that. He was not expecting to be taken out of the game. So that's why I'm saying it's probably something that they're. They're probably trying to do the boiling frog thing where we'll put. J J in for like three more plays every week until all of a sudden he's a starter. Nobody realizes he had.

• 53:16Speaker 00

  That was a deep, deep, dark thought slip.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  Do I think that they should bench Jaden? No, I don't think that they.

• 53:23Speaker 00

  No, I know. You said it twice. That's why we all, we all stopped and we're like, whoa. Uh, okay. That's that game. Great tie. Uh, sickos and perverts. We got more. There's another song.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  Haha. Packers 31, Bears 7. Listen, Mike Ditka died. Let's start with that. Okay. I, I know that, uh, I, it's a little tongue in cheek, but it was, I was sad on Friday to, to, uh. Hear the passing of Mike Ditka. Would you guys not agree like? Mount Rushmore football guy? Just everything about him is football.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, football guy.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  He was a tight end, assistant, won a Super Bowl as a tight end, won a Super Bowl as assistant coach, won a Super Bowl as a head coach, live, breathe, eat. Football. We got to interview him. I got to do a couple of radio remotes with him. Every time I, I got to spend even a second of time with him. It was an absolute thrill. He was exactly what you thought, was exactly what you saw on camera, what you thought Mike Ditka would be. He was that in person. I was looking back and, uh, the way we got our interview with Mike Ditka, like, it was like 2016, 2017. Someone had given me Mike Ditka's phone number and I just texted him and I said, hey, coach, this is early part of my take. So he, he could have just been like, fuck off. I'm Mike Ditka. Like, hey, coach, would love to interview you. Uh, can we maybe set that up? And he just wrote back and said, yeah.

• 54:39Speaker 00

  Come to my restaurant Thursday night. And that was it. We just went to his restaurant. He was just there and he's like, all right, where do you want to do this? And then we just did it in his restaurant and he gave us his time and, uh, he was the best. So that sucked on Friday. Uh, you know. All time football guy, but this game, this game really sucked too. Uh. Packers 31, Bears 7. Like I said. That was an absolute ass kicking, punking, bitch slapping. No way to put it other than the Bears got pantsed and. All the good vibes from last year and the rivalry and Ben Johnson.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Ramping it up. You could tell this game was very personal for Matt LaFleur, very personal for Jordan Love and. They proved that they were just better, like every which way today, and it was a tough, tough watch. And I'll say this. Tyson Bajin, not an NFL quarterback. I think we could be done with that.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I was thinking that they were gonna replace him at halftime because he didn't look great.

• 55:42Speaker 00

  Scored that drive at the end of the half.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Things just, the timing wasn't there. Everything that worked for him seemed like it was like done out of improvisation where like, say what you want about Case Keenum. Like the arm strength, but he definitely got the ball out on time. He decisively knew where it was going.

• 55:57Speaker 00

  Here's the problem. I think Tyson Bajin thinks in his head that he's a starting quarterback.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  He does. Yeah.

• 56:01Speaker 00

  He doesn't know that he's a backup quarterback. And so when Case Keenum comes in a game and he knows I'm a backup quarterback at this point in my career. I have to run the offense, get the ball out, let the guys make plays, just get out of the way and just like distribute the ball quickly. Tyson Bajin is standing in the pocket being like, I'm gonna make the big throw. You don't have the big throw arm, dude. I'm sorry. You, you, you could have a long career as a backup quarterback. That'd be great. I'm not rooting against Tyson Bajin. It was just a very tough watch and I just desperately want to see Caleb Williams back playing, which he did warm up today. So hopefully that happens, but he was bad.

• 56:40Speaker 00

  Jalen Johnson was really bad. The secondary, here's the, here's the problem is that I went into this game on Friday's show. I said, I, I, I expect the Bears to win. So I'm not gonna like backtrack on that. I thought the Bears were gonna win. I thought we were the better team. Do you remember the two things though, that I was like, here's what I would be concerned about. One. Tyson Bajin being a backup quarterback, playing a game, teams getting, you know, tape on him and being like, hey, this guy can't make all the throws. That turned out to be very true. Two. Playing Carson Wentz and a monsoon, Geno Smith in 2026, uh, Philadelphia Eagles offense is probably not how you should base. Uh, your defense somehow being elite. And I was like, once we go on the road and play a real quarterback, it could be a problem.

• 57:22Speaker 00

  And Jordan Love was phenomenal today. He was just bomb after bomb after bomb. All on the secondary's head. He was so good. And it was just a, like, it's a burn the tape type of game. Like I, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, oh man, the bear season's over. Oh, everything's bad. No, it's a really, really bad game. Move on to the next game. Burn the tape. Hopefully get Caleb back.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 57:46Speaker 00

  And you need Manon guy back too, cause Roshan Johnson not, it's a little different watching him run the ball than when, when Manon guy has the ball.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Is there any part that thinks like maybe the Packers, like they, they choked away those games last year in the second half?

• 58:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, they did.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  Flore got smarter.

• 58:03Speaker 00

  No, I think, I honestly think this is how, this is like human nature, sports, the Bears. Had had an up on the Packers last year with how the end of the season went with the overtime win in Soldier Field, then the playoff win. The Packers spent all offseason being like, fuck those guys, we're gonna get them back. And they looked like the team that had been spending all offseason being like, when we get our shot, we're gonna fucking give it to them. And the Bears looked like the team that had been like, oh, we, we, we're fine, we, we could beat them now. That's what it looked like. It looked, it looked like a team that was, took it personal and then took it out on the opponent, which happened to be the Bears today. So you can't really say anything other than that.

• 58:46Speaker 00

  You're like, hey, they, they, they kicked our ass.

• 58:49Speaker 02

  The defense looked like dog shit today.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. And this is a Packers defense too, that was, the Bears defense looked bad. Packers defense should have been, you know, was, was getting gashed and, and they weren't able to run the ball and the Packers had all these flaws that they, they played 60 minutes of really good football and absolutely embarrassed the Bears. So it, it's what makes rivalries great. You go back and forth, the handshake afterward was very icy, which I love.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  So, but that, this is the part, like, you can't, I bet you-

• 59:17Speaker 02

  When I, when I watched the Ben Johnson handshake from last year, where he, where he like came in low, like the hard one.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, this one, you could tell LaFleur really enjoyed this handshake.

• 59:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, he, and he has every right to. That's the thing is like, Ben Johnson would probably say it. I've, I have ramped up the rivalry. When, when we get, you know, when, when the, when the serve gets volleyed back at us and we, and we have someone ramp it up back at us, we gotta take it like men and be like, hey, that was a bad loss, figure out a way to beat them on Christmas Day.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  Are, are you also worried about what happens when teams start going Johnson hunting?

• 59:51Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  Because they were, they were hunting Johnson big time.

• 59:54Speaker 00

  I mean, I, I, I have not fooled myself in thinking that the Bears defense was magically fixed after that three game stretch. I think there's major problems. Uh, Austin Booker was really, really good and he looks like he's becoming a dude. But yeah, no, this secondary has major, major problems. Jalen Johnson looks like a step slow on everything. And so you gotta figure out a way to, to fix it and you gotta figure out a way to, we're gonna play the Falcons next week and it's, that's a really good offense. You, I'm scared of good offenses and, and you just hope that Caleb gets back because I think when we talked about it before the season, this team is gonna have to just play in shootouts to win these games. And we're, and look, Ben Johnson won, went two and one with backup quarterbacks. If Caleb comes back on Sunday, Ben Johnson went two and one with backup quarterbacks.

• 1:00:39Speaker 00

  I'll take that all day. I think everyone would take that. If you're like, hey, you lose your starter, you go two and one. But we need Caleb back. And anyone who's fooling themselves that it's not, that this was gonna be sustainable for a long period of time, you need Caleb back because this is not, this was not fun.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, Greg Olson said that, um, that he looked great in warmups.

• 1:00:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  So Caleb, like-

• 1:01:01Speaker 00

  He went through a whole warmup. So yeah, hopefully he's, he's, he went, he, he's questionable, he was questionable. So, um, yeah, he didn't dress, but yeah, you need Caleb back.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  What do you think about memes suggesting that maybe the Jets, in the post-game handshake, the Jets took all of Ben Johnson's ability as a coach and now it belongs to Aaron Glenn?

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  That's what I was talking about memes and I said, I saw what you did. You were like, oh-

• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  I think it's a fair post.

• 1:01:27Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson are really close friends. I don't think CJ Stroud and Caleb Williams were.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  No, but Freaky Friday, you ever see Freaky Friday?

• 1:01:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I saw Freaky Friday.

• 1:01:37Speaker 03

  Um, I, my tweet was, that would be sick if that happened.

• 1:01:40Speaker 00

  Listen, the, the, the sample size on the Freaky Friday, so far is a hundred percent. The Jets won and the Bears lost. So you're right.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  Stuff you could do about it. You just gotta burn the fucking tape. This is a bad one, man.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  The Packers had a much better play. I didn't realize in the first quarter, you guys got outgained 130 to nine.

• 1:01:59Speaker 00

  Dude, we didn't, like, we couldn't move the ball. Tyson Bejant was throwing it into like five people. And that's not to say that no one was, like, I'm not gonna do the thing where it's like no one was open. No, no, there were guys open, he just was throwing it to the guys' cover.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  Uh, cause he couldn't read what was going on, he was throwing blind. And the Packers, like, this is, this is the scary Jordan Love, scary Matt LaFleur when they just take deep shot after deep shot and Christian Watson was unbelievable and Matthew Golden looked awesome. So yeah, that scary team when they get it rolling like that.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  Uh, Hank, do you have any questions?

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, Big Cat. Does Ben Johnson-

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  Do you want to say anything about Mike Tika?

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, legend, football guy, great guy.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  Wish you had remembered the batteries.

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, bad interview, bad Zoom. No, I had, no, we recorded it, it just bad tech.

• 1:02:48Speaker 00

  Oh, we just recorded it with the camera, microphone.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  I listened back to it.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  The, the Zoom, the Zoom-

• 1:02:56Speaker 00

  It was just knives and plates.

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  We, we did it in a restaurant and like, we were like, there was so much noise, the Zoom recorder, like, didn't work basically, but we didn't realize that, I didn't realize that till after the fact, we had to use the camera audio and it was just in a ballroom, essentially.

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  Well, Coach Tika told us to show up and he'd do it.

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, uh, that was tough. That was also like week two of the podcast.

• 1:03:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:21Speaker 00

  Um, so how much blame? Which speaks more to, to Dika being like these idiots that I have no, never heard of, I'll do this interview.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, just show up.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  And we'll do it.

• 1:03:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  How much blame do you put on yourself if there's a blame pie?

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  Blame pie, probably 95% Big Cat, 5%, 5% me.

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  95, why?

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  Just because I can't, can't, can't all be me.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  Okay, got it, got it, got it. So, but I get 95.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  You should have trusted him.

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  No, no, that was, that was, that was my bad.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  It was also when we didn't have any sound guy, it was just the three of us.

• 1:03:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can't even play market, we didn't have, we didn't even have a-

• 1:03:59Speaker 00

  We just showed up.

• 1:04:00Speaker 04

  This is before we were even in New York.

• 1:04:02Speaker 00

  It actually is insane to look back and be like, he said, just come to my restaurant. We showed up, we ate dinner and he walked in and was like, all right, you wanna do it? And then we just fucking sat at the back of the restaurant, right by where the, everyone, I think they were like cleaning the, the silverware.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were doing the, they were doing side work. They were like wrapping silverware afterwards.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  You guys in the interview.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, no.

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  Oh, man. All right, so what was your question?

• 1:04:27Speaker 04

  Uh, does Ben Johnson's record against NFC North concern you?

• 1:04:31Speaker 00

  I saw that, uh, you gotta win the division games, yeah. You gotta, like, I don't know what it's been, uh, now, I, my counterpoint would be, we won the division last year. So yes, not great against the division, but we did win the division. It's gonna be harder to win the division when you lose the division games. And yeah, we gotta figure it out. We're 0-2 in the division right now, it fucking sucks.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  You can try tying them.

• 1:04:54Speaker 00

  Could try tying them. Yeah, I think this is, I mean, it's, it's gonna be all about how the Bears respond. If, if Caleb comes back on Sunday and, and we play the Falcons and we, we look awesome, it's like, all right, that's a, that's a burn the tape, like I said, burn the tape, like anomaly type of game. I just hope the defense is not as bad as they were today because again, it was like on their head constantly, just over and over.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  You can't say whatever Ben Johnson thinks, if Caleb Williams is not playing next week, who do you want starter?

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, Case Keenum. I mean, that's, yeah, it's, it's gotta be. Tyson Bejant was, he just wasn't good. And it's, he's unfortunately played a few times in, in, in starting and I think he's like three touchdowns, nine interceptions. Do you wanna hear, do you guys wanna hear a crazy one to finish this and we'll go to the next game? Uh, we, the QB gummy thing is stupid, right? We all agree. Cause they do the QB gummy of like this stat line for a QB, like, there's, you know-

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  So many stats.

• 1:05:55Speaker 00

  So many stats, there's 32 QB stat lines every single week. But I will give him credit for this. You know, Case Keenum had 108 yards, zero touchdowns, one interception, no QB gummy. Stat line has happened 18 times before, most recently by J.J. McCarthy on December 21st, 2025. Tyson Bejant had 87 yards, zero touchdowns, two interceptions, no QB gummy. Stat line's happened nine times before, most recently by J.J. McCarthy on November 23rd, 2025. We had two J.J. McCarthy's in this game.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Double nine.

• 1:06:23Speaker 00

  That's insane.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Speaker 00

  To have two guys, that is a QB gummy.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  It's also not good.

• 1:06:28Speaker 00

  No, I know, it's, it's, it's hilarious that we had two quarterbacks play in this game, both had stat lines that most recently happened exactly by J.J. McCarthy last year.

• 1:06:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Speaker 00

  That's hard to do.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Are, are you looking at this loss and saying ultimately it could be a good thing?

• 1:06:43Speaker 00

  Uh, well, yeah, it's, it's whatever, however they answer, yes.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Cause if it, if it was Caleb that played in this game, I could see this just being a big bummer, but it might be one of those good losses that kinda shocks you, slaps you in the face. It's like, you're not actually, you're not actually as good as everyone's been saying.

• 1:07:01Speaker 00

  Well, I, I think the, the defense is, this was a eye-opening. I, I knew it was possible because like I said, the home road split that I talked about, where I referenced on Friday is, is a real thing. I think overall, like, hey, this defense has still got problems and maybe we can add to it and figure out a way to do that at the trade deadline because it's, we're not gonna play Carson Wentz and Monsoon, Geno Smith and 2026 Jalen Hurts. Like, that's, that's not, that's not how you should base your, your defensive stats. Uh, okay, Hank?

• 1:07:36Speaker 00

  It's just like, it's actually like the sickos and perverts, if they could draw it up perfectly.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's great.

• 1:07:42Speaker 00

  It's like heartbreaking Max loss, insanely embarrassing.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go pee.

• 1:07:46Speaker 00

  Tie for, for, for PFT. Packers kicked the shit out of the Bears.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Where's Max leaving?

• 1:07:52Speaker 00

  And then Patriots 45 Raiders 17 and Drake May is all the way back.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

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• 1:08:01Speaker 00

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• 1:08:02Speaker 02

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• 1:10:14Speaker 00

  Okay, Max is back from the bathroom.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Will pee pee.

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  You tried to get out of the Patriots 45 Raiders 17 and Drake May being all the way back. You know, Hank. I should have realized how this day was gonna go when I was doing my fantasy corner this morning and one of the lockheads, I don't even know what you call your fans, the Hank stands, the lockheads.

• 1:10:42Speaker 04

  Family, just my, my family.

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  Okay. So just your family likes you. No one else. Okay. So someone from your family asked the question, do you ever feel bad for Hank? And I said, no, absolutely not. He has a top 1% life. The real answer is you have like a top 0.01% life. And today just went exactly how you would have dreamed. If you could have dreamed up today, you basically hit every mark.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  The Jets losing is the only thing that you missed out on.

• 1:11:11Speaker 04

  No, but it, it's kind of nice to have them like riding a little high.

• 1:11:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Crush their souls that much more.

• 1:11:17Speaker 00

  Oh, you're playing him next week?

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:18Speaker 00

  Oh, so yeah, that's, so you actually did get every single thing you wanted today.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  No, I, I want my boys to win.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Max Homa didn't win.

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  I want my boys to win. Max Holman did not win. You did not win. Max did not win. PFT did not win. He didn't lose.

• 1:11:35Speaker 00

  But he didn't win.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Didn't win. Yeah. I know. I lost. That's a loss.

• 1:11:39Speaker 00

  Did you, can you, Max, can you pull up the, the stat that part of my takes we did as well? But go ahead, keep going.

• 1:11:45Speaker 04

  As a, as a, as a, again, like a producer of the show and, and caring about the listeners.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  I can take some solace in the fact that those bad things happen to you guys and it's good for the show.

• 1:11:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  They didn't happen to you. You care about listens.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  But if it were up to me, like we'd all win together.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  Do you think that people tune in more when you, when you have a bad day?

• 1:12:05Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  They, they want you guys, they, they care about you guys more and they care more when you guys lose.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  So they love you and they hate us.

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  No, I, I don't, I think, I think they don't care about me as much as they care about you guys and they enjoy it when you guys lose that much more.

• 1:12:21Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah. Uh, Drake May was really, really good.

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  Phenomenal.

• 1:12:26Speaker 00

  Was a laugher of a game.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  PFT, I know, well, I should, I should ask Max, cause Max, you're Glenn.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  He's the only one that Glenn follows. I don't know if he's actually Glenn or not, but the, you know, things add up.

• 1:12:37Speaker 00

  So stats that, uh, stats since Glenn tape scout ridiculed Drake May week three. Drake May, 643 passing yards, eight touchdowns, 79 rush yards, one turnover.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  Now, I'm, I'm not a big Glenn fan.

• 1:12:51Speaker 04

  And the turnover was like a comic book turnover.

• 1:12:54Speaker 00

  Was that the, was that the bloodbowl?

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  No, cause I, I'm not a, I'm not a big Glenn fan and he doesn't like me. We've all heard him say that. But I should come in to kind of set the facts straight on this because Glenn did his first video after week one.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  After the Seahawks game. So, so it's really seven touchdowns and four interceptions.

• 1:13:12Speaker 00

  Oh, so this, this is a wrong stat.

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  Completely incorrect stat. Yeah.

• 1:13:16Speaker 00

  Memes. You led the people wrong.

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  But you didn't do any real correction until Jacksonville.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  If the defenders didn't have any arms.

• 1:13:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Speaker 04

  That's when Glenn got critical.

• 1:13:27Speaker 00

  It also wasn't PFT.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  No, no, Glenn was.

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  Sorry, sorry Glenn.

• 1:13:30Speaker 02

  Glenn was critical week one when he was like, look at, look at these wide open guys that he missed.

• 1:13:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's still running.

• 1:13:36Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm on PFT's side here.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  That was correction number one. That was, that was after week one. And then after week two, I think he said, uh, that ball got tipped, actually. The interception in the Steelers game, the ball got tipped. And so here's what it looks like if there's no arms on any of the Jaguars players. Then after week three, when he lost to the Jaguars, it was, um, was that, oh, look how much better, uh, Tommy DeVito is. And then after that, it was maybe Drake May and Tommy DeVito switch places. Also look at Drake May run over this poor bastard on the sidelines.

• 1:14:13Speaker 00

  Either way, Glenn's got his work cut out for him this week because Drake May was pretty much perfect.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. Best he's looked, best he's looked this year by far. Best he's looked maybe ever in a Patriots uniform. No Matt Collins, no A.J. Brown, no problem.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Doesn't matter.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  Will Campbell, Will Campbell and Trevion Henderson got hurt in like 30 seconds back to back. That wasn't good. Will Campbell, like I think it's his knee, hopefully just a sprain. And then Trevion Henderson like hurt his, the ankle that he hurt early in the year. That was, what did he miss time for? So that's not good. But other than that, it was like the best game you could possibly ask for. They honored the 2001 team before. They're wearing the red jerseys. Just beautiful. Just a beautiful day in New England.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  Vinatieri was there.

• 1:14:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, all the boys were there.

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was, um, I'll say this Drake made, this is probably the best game that any quarterback has played this season. Like he was perfect.

• 1:15:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  He was perfect. The deep ball was, was magical. Everything was great. He played awesome. I, I have absolutely zero criticism of Drake May this week. He was, he looked like, if he plays like this, he is the MVP.

• 1:15:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. The vision runs through us.

• 1:15:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Speaker 03

  Is there a but?

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  No. I mean, we can move on to some other stats.

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  Please.

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  Okay. So the Raiders, um, tough break for the Raiders.

• 1:15:29Speaker 04

  Best defense in football. They're leading, leading league in takeaways.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Tough, tough break for the Raiders. Looking at, you know, their, their wins, what they're three and two now, right?

• 1:15:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  And their three wins have come against teams with a combined one win. So, but hey, you are what your record says you are. They were three and one going in here and Drake May looked awesome.

• 1:15:50Speaker 04

  Fantastic.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:51Speaker 04

  Perfect.

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  Better than perfect.

• 1:15:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Do they, do you think the Patriots had a little extra fuel knowing that they were beating Tom Brady?

• 1:16:00Speaker 00

  Probably.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like a big fuck you, Tom.

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  I don't know about that, but.

• 1:16:05Speaker 00

  They did beat Tom Brady's team today.

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  They, and Josh McDaniel got his revenge.

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:16:13Speaker 00

  Revenge game for him. I, uh, listen, I, I went in, I, part, one of the fantasy quarter questions was talking about the Raiders. It's like, I think the Raiders are, are like for real not. I said, they're not maybe going to go to the playoffs, but for real in the fact that they're going to hang around. And they got absolutely killed today. I do have a new gambling rule I'd like to throw out there to everyone. I think we just can't bet Kirk Cousins outdoors anymore. I think he's an indoor cat. He looked significantly older today. Outdoors. So that has nothing to do with the fact that the Patriots just killed them. The Raiders defense couldn't do anything. Didn't get any pressure. Like you were waiting for Max Crosby to start wrecking the game. I think Drake May had like two, got pressured twice in the first half.

• 1:16:58Speaker 00

  So the line was blocking very well. But yeah, I think Kirk Cousins, I think I'm just, it's, it's, you know, you get to a point where it's like, hey, you can't go outside. There's scary things outside. There's rain. There's, you know, turf. There could be some wind. Yeah. Like let's just stay inside. Okay. Let's, you know, we, we don't want to elderly dog or cat going and getting eaten by a coyote. Let's like, let's just stay inside Kirk. We're going to do inside bets only.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  He's better if he, you know, if he sleeps in his own bed.

• 1:17:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  And he wakes up and he has his meal that he knows sits well in his stomach.

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  Older.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  He drives the same way to work.

• 1:17:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  He's a man of, of routine. So yeah, no, I, I agree with that. He, um, he didn't look great today. Mendoza got in for a little bit and looked all right. I guess he, he was six for eight, 48 yards, uh, was five for five on his first five passes. But yeah, I mean, the, the Patriots just played pretty much perfect football today. And they did it minus a lot of their starters.

• 1:17:52Speaker 00

  It was a laugher.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  It was a laugher. Um, Hank, I mean, as much as I know you're pointing a lot of fingers at Glenn, um, but.

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  I'm not.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  I, you brought him up.

• 1:18:01Speaker 04

  No, false.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  I think a big cat brought him up. Okay. You.

• 1:18:05Speaker 00

  Well, I'm, I'm a Glenn, I'm a Glenn Telman.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  I saw a lot of people like, was it you or was it Gaz that was tweeting about Glenn?

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  I said, I can't wait to watch Glenn tape watch this week.

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  Oh, so you're, yeah, you are.

• 1:18:16Speaker 00

  So you're a Glenn Telman now?

• 1:18:18Speaker 04

  No, but this week I will be.

• 1:18:19Speaker 00

  Okay. You're one week only. You're getting the one week pass?

• 1:18:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Speaker 00

  Do you, sorry. Max, do they have a, do they have a pass? Just if you want to be a Glenn tape watch guy for one week only? Like is there like, is like 99?

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  Oh yeah. This wasn't me that said suck my dick PFT commenter and Glenn tape watch. That was Gaz.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  That was Gaz that said that.

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  I probably. Gaz and Hank are just one, they're just one in the same.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's, that's actually fair. Like a lot of people think that Max is Glenn. A lot of people think that Gaz is Hank.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  I haven't seen.

• 1:18:47Speaker 04

  One heartbeat.

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  I haven't seen Gaz and Hank in the same room together.

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  No, neither have I. Ever.

• 1:18:53Speaker 00

  Do you have anything else on the game?

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Not real. I mean, there was, it was like a boring.

• 1:18:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  Fantastic watch.

• 1:18:59Speaker 00

  It was, the Raiders can't run the ball. I feel like the Raiders, for Clint Kubiak to run his offense, they have to be able to run the ball. They could not run the ball today. They haven't been able to run the ball all season. And it was very, like, the Patriots just stuffed them.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  Like, thinking about this team with A.J. Brown back, Matt Collins back, Christian Gonzalez back, like, it's, it's, it's exciting. It's exciting times.

• 1:19:17Speaker 00

  You're getting excited.

• 1:19:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  When, when is Christian Gonzalez getting back?

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  I'm not sure.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Cause that's, that's a big loss.

• 1:19:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  But you guys, obviously, didn't need him at all today.

• 1:19:26Speaker 04

  No, and not next week either.

• 1:19:29Speaker 00

  Against?

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  The Jets.

• 1:19:30Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  So you are over, you're overlooking the Jets.

• 1:19:34Speaker 00

  That was Bolton Board Boot Gerald memes.

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  You're willing, you're openly overlooking the Jets. That's what I'm hearing.

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  It's the Jets, yes. It's the Jets.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:19:43Speaker 04

  It's the Jets.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Okay, memes, do you have a response?

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  What if you lose to the Jets?

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  You're my bitch.

• 1:19:49Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:19:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  You'll be his bitch? Hold my pocket.

• 1:19:54Speaker 04

  I don't know what, I don't know what I'll do, but.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  I think you have to be memes' memes' servant all week.

• 1:19:58Speaker 00

  You have to be memes' bitch. He has to be able to use every one of your holes. All of them.

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:20:04Speaker 00

  He can just be like mouth.

• 1:20:08Speaker 00

  But ear, you just gotta produce the holes.

• 1:20:14Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:20:14Speaker 00

  Okay, wow. All right. You're that confident?

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  Yes, the Jets.

• 1:20:17Speaker 00

  Whose line is it anyway? What's the, what's the line? I have no idea. Where's the game?

• 1:20:21Speaker 02

  I looked at it. It's in New England. Uh, Patriots, seven and a half.

• 1:20:27Speaker 00

  Eight and a half?

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  Henry?

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  I know what it is.

• 1:20:31Speaker 00

  What is it?

• 1:20:31Speaker 04

  Seven.

• 1:20:32Speaker 00

  Seven, okay.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  Are you gonna be taking that? Minus seven?

• 1:20:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:39Speaker 04

  Probably alternate line, minus fifteen.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  Listen, I, I don't know why Hank, AKA Gaz, is upset with me. I bet on, I bet on the Patriots the last two weeks. Ever since you turned it around.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  I know. I'm, I love that. I'm happy for you.

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  I'm a, I'm a believer.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  Happy for us.

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  I'm not mad at you. I don't know what I've said today that has made you think that I'm mad at you.

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  I don't think you're mad at me.

• 1:21:00Speaker 02

  I thought that you were mad, I thought that you were mad at Glenn.

• 1:21:04Speaker 04

  Did, am I going crazy or did like five seconds ago you said, I don't know why Hank is mad at me?

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  Okay, I, I was, I was mixing you up with, with Gaz.

• 1:21:14Speaker 04

  Got it.

• 1:21:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  Got it.

• 1:21:15Speaker 00

  Yes. Different guys.

• 1:21:17Speaker 04

  Retweets are not endorsements.

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  Is that in your bio?

• 1:21:20Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 1:21:21Speaker 00

  It's in mine?

• 1:21:22Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:21:23Speaker 00

  After that Mount Rushmore controversy last year. Had to put it in there. Okay, uh, Hank, you're four charges if you have anything else in this game. It was just, yeah, it was, it was an absolute ass kicking. And I do think the Raiders are like, not bad. I mean, they just played the Chiefs to a game where they could have beaten the Chiefs. So it's not, I'm not gonna say they're the Raiders from last year. That, that was just an ass kicking. It's hard to win in this league by a lot and they kicked their ass.

• 1:21:50Speaker 04

  Get it. This team, Halden, could be anyone.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  Have you watched, uh, have you watched any other film breakdowns that point to like, maybe why Drake May is, cause he looks like a different player than he did a couple of weeks ago.

• 1:22:01Speaker 04

  In the last two hours?

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  Or just in the last week or so, yeah. Cause he looked great last week, too.

• 1:22:07Speaker 04

  I have not, no.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  All right. I'm just, I'm just curious, like, is, what changes have been made? Because he, he looks really, really good.

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  I think he's getting more, more time to throw the ball.

• 1:22:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, their protection was great. Okay, uh, Steelers thirty-four, Colts twenty-two. Um, Aaron Rodgers might be back. He didn't do the air yards. The air yards were still low, but, uh, Aaron Rodgers threw for three touchdowns. He, he's, he's three straight games where he's had three or more touchdowns for the first time since twenty twenty-one, when he won the MVP. He might be back.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:41Speaker 00

  He was smiling.

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:43Speaker 00

  Jalen Warren was phenomenal. He was incre, like, eighty-yard, uh, touchdown catch, fifty-yard touchdown run, hundred eighty-eight total yards. Steelers offense had a little pop to it.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  The last running back to have an eighty-yard touchdown reception and a fifty-yard touchdown run in the same game was Ambassador Herschel Walker.

• 1:23:02Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:23:03Speaker 02

  I believe nineteen eighty-six.

• 1:23:05Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  Did that. It was an awesome, awesome day for him.

• 1:23:08Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  Um, Darnell Washington also had a great game. Uh, there was one play where one guy just grabbed onto his foot and then five other guys came and tried to tackle him and then eventually the refs just had to blow the whistle before he was tackled. That was awesome. And then he had the block of the day where he blocked a guy into another guy and then blocked that second guy into a third guy. And that's how it sprung, Jalen Warren.

• 1:23:29Speaker 00

  Love that.

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  For the touchdown, yeah.

• 1:23:30Speaker 00

  The Colts, uh, the story for this game for the Colts was they just could not do anything in the red zone. They had three field goals inside the pit twenty-five, including one at the ten and one at the four. Uh, it just like, they would, they would move the ball and then got stuck. Jonathan Taylor, oh.

• 1:23:47Speaker 00

  Michael Pennix interception. Michael Pennix interception, Ravens.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  It was Tua.

• 1:23:53Speaker 00

  Oh, that was Tua? Oh, that's very funny. Wait, did Michael Pennix not come back? He came back in and then he did. And then he came back out?

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  He got his shit rocked on that sack.

• 1:24:04Speaker 00

  Wow. Tua. Tua, you knew he had it in him.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:24:09Speaker 00

  Just when we doubted Tua.

• 1:24:11Speaker 04

  That was gritty. That was a gritty win.

• 1:24:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  Snoop.

• 1:24:18Speaker 00

  See, all, all right, back to, we'll, we'll talk about this game, uh, afterwards. So, yeah, the Colts just couldn't score in the red zone. I don't really know what to make of the Colts. I also don't understand, I, I'm pretty sure that the league lets you take a bye week if you want after playing, uh, overseas.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:34Speaker 00

  And you can elect to take it or not. I don't understand why teams don't take it, no matter what.

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  Well, cause the record is better.

• 1:24:40Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, that's right. It's all, but is it, it makes sense. On the road too, though?

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, on the road is different too. And I think that it depends where you play. Like, obviously, if I play, if I had my chan, my, my choice and I played in, like, Australia, I'd be like, yeah, give me that bye week. But I don't think anyone, obviously, you can't get a bye week, week two. Um, but I think, yeah, they leave it up to the teams. Teams are better if they, if they don't take them. I don't know.

• 1:25:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I don't really know what to make of the Colts. Like, they can, Daniel Jones is.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  They desperately need Alec Pierce.

• 1:25:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, which I don't.

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  That changes the entire offense when they have a legitimate, really, really strong downfield threat. And without him, the offense looks much different.

• 1:25:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'd agree with that. And also, Daniel Jones was, he, he, he leads the league in throwing bombs that just go like ten yards over someone's head out about. So they don't get, they're not getting intercepted. They're just not even close.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:29Speaker 00

  And, uh, Jeremy Bernard was awesome. He, like, dude, cause the, that was the thing with, with Rodgers today. He played well, he looked young, and he also, like, uh, who went out? Roman Wilson went out. And I think someone else has been out. So that, he was throwing to, you know, like, there's a lot of Friarmouth, a lot of Jeremy Bernard. I don't know, Steelers, Steelers are a better team. The, my big conclusion from this game is the Steelers are a better team than the Colts. Obviously, they beat them. And I still don't think the Steelers are a threat to anyone in the AFC.

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  So Aaron Rodgers threw his, uh, five hundred eighty-first career, uh, touchdown, eighty-first career, uh, touchdown, eighty-first career, uh, touchdown. That makes him third all time now. Put him above Peyton Manning.

• 1:26:17Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  And also the first Steelers quarterback to throw for three touchdowns, three weeks in a row since Terry Bradshaw.

• 1:26:23Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  Back in the day. So this is, this is as explosive as we've seen the Steelers' offense in a very, very long time.

• 1:26:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I think the Steelers are just gonna do this, where they're gonna go week to week. Their offense definitely has more pop than it did last year. Their defense probably isn't as good, although their defense stood up strong in the red zone. And the Steelers are gonna win nine or ten games and probably lose in the playoffs.

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  They might win a playoff game, they might win a playoff game. Happy birthday to T.J. Watt.

• 1:26:50Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:26:50Speaker 02

  He got poked in the eye.

• 1:26:51Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  Came back in. My theory was that he got hit on his nose and then he acted like it hit his, his eye so he could go to the sidelines and be allowed to put the visor on.

• 1:27:00Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  That's what I would do if I was an NFL player.

• 1:27:02Speaker 00

  The visor looked cool.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, I, every play, I'd just be like, oh, my eye. Let me put on a sick visor.

• 1:27:07Speaker 00

  Who do the Colts play next? The, the, Shane Steichen, he, he's a big, you, you were talking about it, Max, the, uh, Nick Sirianni looking in mirrors. Shane Steichen's a big, I gotta do better.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  Well, they get the, uh, the Titans next week.

• 1:27:20Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. So they're good.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:27:22Speaker 00

  So Colts will be back.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  I'm in on, I'm, I'm, I'm in on Shane Steichen.

• 1:27:26Speaker 00

  Oh, you want Shane Steichen?

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  I would love. You want him back?

• 1:27:31Speaker 02

  Shane Steichen was good. Yeah.

• 1:27:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:33Speaker 02

  He, he was a good coordinator for the Eagles. I don't, I don't think that Shane Steichen is the problem and, for the Colts.

• 1:27:38Speaker 00

  But he.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  And it's not like they're a terrible team.

• 1:27:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, they're, they're an average team. But the problem is, it, being an average team in the AFC is, being an average team in the NFC could get you in the playoffs. Being an average team in the AFC is gonna be very difficult.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  We, we were deep throating the guy for the first eight weeks of last year. He was, the Colts looked awesome through eight weeks last year. Um, so I think he's a good coach. There's some other things around him that I don't think are optimal. They get the Titans next week.

• 1:28:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's a bye week.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:07Speaker 00

  Uh, and Jalen Warren, the big story is Jalen Warren deserves more respect. It's not like an aberration. He's just good. And he's, he's got, uh, he's got some juice to him where he gets the ball and he's, he's elusive and it's, it's fun to watch, which is always a jarring thing in a Steelers' uniform. Okay, memes, Jets seventeen, Browns twelve. The, the Browns fell into the trap game.

• 1:28:34Speaker 05

  Dude, the Browns, the Browns browned and that

• 1:28:36Speaker 00

  They browned.

• 1:28:37Speaker 05

  Browns out browned the Jets jetting.

• 1:28:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:41Speaker 05

  If that makes any sense.

• 1:28:42Speaker 00

  Dom, my assistant, so he, remember he said this is avoid the trap game. Uh, I told him afterwards, you fell in the trap and he said, no, we didn't. We got beat by rain.

• 1:28:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, they lost.

• 1:28:53Speaker 02

  The rain wasn't part of the deal.

• 1:28:55Speaker 05

  The Browns lost.

• 1:28:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  How, how come every time the Browns play the Jets in the Meadowlands, it's just the worst possible weather?

• 1:29:04Speaker 05

  A bunch of players were saying that today too, that it just only rains on Sundays in New Jersey.

• 1:29:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, I have a question for you memes.

• 1:29:13Speaker 05

  Yes, sir.

• 1:29:13Speaker 00

  Where, so you beat the Browns. Where would you say this ranks in terms of Jets wins?

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  I know where you're going with this.

• 1:29:22Speaker 00

  So, but where would you personally say this is, Hank, you're going to want to listen to this.

• 1:29:26Speaker 04

  I'm listening.

• 1:29:27Speaker 00

  Where, where would you, where would you say it ranks?

• 1:29:30Speaker 05

  Historically, I'd say it's one of the biggest.

• 1:29:32Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah. Cause Demario Davis said, uh, I would go as far as to say this was a historic win for this organization.

• 1:29:41Speaker 05

  It could be. They could never lose. They could never lose again.

• 1:29:45Speaker 00

  Should actually say that after every game because you never know where it's going to go. This could be a historic podcast.

• 1:29:51Speaker 05

  I think it is.

• 1:29:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, I'm saying this episode.

• 1:29:55Speaker 05

  Hmm, maybe.

• 1:29:56Speaker 00

  No, but we don't know where it's going. What if we all die tomorrow?

• 1:30:00Speaker 00

  That would make this historic.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 1:30:05Speaker 00

  Something to think about. That's kind of what Demario Davis is going for. He's like, I'm going to make a bet. The Jets, we're going to win the Superbowl this year. And I'm going to say this win is historic.

• 1:30:14Speaker 05

  Well, he's right to a certain extent, cause like historically they lose that game every single time.

• 1:30:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:20Speaker 05

  Like Geno Smith fumbling at the 50, like Browns get that, go get a touchdown, but like they didn't.

• 1:30:26Speaker 04

  It was the Browns.

• 1:30:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, it was, yeah.

• 1:30:29Speaker 05

  It was three and one.

• 1:30:29Speaker 00

  That was, that, that's true. Three and one team put some, some respect on them. They just won the game of the century. Less than 10 days ago. Uh, yeah. The, the, the sequence of the Browns up 12, 10, getting the fumble with four minutes left. Being like, the Browns are going to win this game. They're going to, you know, uh, that, that pass, uh, who was that to Denzel Boston? That, that was a nice pass from, from Deshaun Watson. Their offense kind of woke up at the end. So you're like, all right, the Browns have the ball. Game's over. They just got the ball. They're just going to, you know, run the ball. They go three and out and then just sky it over Bajorkis's head. And the Jets win the game. Braylon Allen. Braylon Allen was awesome.

• 1:31:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, they should have just been going to him the entire time. I, when they played the Packers, they didn't run the ball enough. And even today, they didn't run the ball enough. Like Aaron Glenn figured out on defense, how to call a game in the rain. It's just blitz non-stop. But like Frank Reich still hasn't, but uh, they squeaked one out. Yes, PFT.

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. Memes, I have a question for you about certain things that some Browns fans have been saying regarding Minka Fitzpatrick.

• 1:31:42Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  Is he a dirty player and, or does he just hate the Browns?

• 1:31:47Speaker 05

  I don't believe so. I think he just hates Browns.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  He had this one hit against, uh, Concepcion, looked to be helmet to helmet. Now granted, Concepcion kind of like ducked his head as he turned. I don't know that Minka was going for his head. But there's a history. I guess he also took out Nick Chubb too.

• 1:32:04Speaker 05

  That's what they were saying, but that was, that was a clean hit. That like, what's, what's he supposed to do? Not hit him?

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  Which one?

• 1:32:11Speaker 05

  Today.

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I, I think that it was like a bang, bang play where receiver kind of moved his head kind of into the strike zone.

• 1:32:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, that, that was just a football hit.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  It was bad though. Like it was a bad concussion.

• 1:32:25Speaker 05

  I don't want to say get your weight up, but like he should get his weight up.

• 1:32:27Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. All right. Okay. Uh, I agree with you memes that Aaron Glenn called a great game, blitzed the fuck out of him. David, David Bailey was awesome. I feel like every time we looked up, he was either chasing, he was either getting a sack, getting a pressure. Or Deshaun was trying to scramble and he was like running him down. He was sick.

• 1:32:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. David Bailey is awesome. He, he's been getting some slack online and he also hasn't seen that because I don't think he has internet, which is, which is awesome.

• 1:32:57Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:32:58Speaker 05

  So it was just a really good bounce back week from him because there's, there's, uh, on the other side of town, there's R. V. Reese, who's been popping off. So people are saying David Bailey might've been a miss. But today was a phenomenal bounce back.

• 1:33:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. He had three sacks, nine pressures. Uh, like you said, Aaron Glenn blitzed the fuck out of, uh, the Browns, which was a smart game plan. Especially when Concepcion went out. And by the way, I know this is a meatball thing, but Isaiah Bond. You have to put on gloves when you keep dropping the ball in the rain. You cannot just, you cannot be, it's good. Same with Camp Scataboo with the fumble. You cannot be the guy without gloves on in the rain. And fuck it up. If you catch everything and you have no gloves on, fine. The minute you drop one pass and you have no gloves on, you gotta put the gloves on immediately. You just can't. You can't be seen like that.

• 1:33:50Speaker 02

  It's too easy, too easy to, to point out. Yeah.

• 1:33:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's just so easy.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  My, my favorite drive of the week was in this game. It was a, uh, five play drive by the Browns. It was after kickoff in the fourth quarter, uh, Jets were leading 10 to six and it went incompletion, 30 yard completion. Five yard penalty, sack for minus 10 yards, five yard penalty, incompletion, sack for minus eight yards, punt.

• 1:34:18Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  It was a five play drive, uh, two minutes, 29 seconds with a 30 yard completion that gained two yards before the punt.

• 1:34:27Speaker 00

  Browns out brown, Browns out jetted the Jets. Is that what you said?

• 1:34:32Speaker 05

  Yeah. I, I'm trying to find a better way to say it.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  The, the Browns.

• 1:34:37Speaker 05

  Out.

• 1:34:37Speaker 02

  The Browns charger despite the Jets falconing.

• 1:34:44Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:34:45Speaker 00

  Well, no, the Jets didn't have enough, big enough lead to falcon.

• 1:34:50Speaker 00

  It was a close game.

• 1:34:52Speaker 05

  Throughout.

• 1:34:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'm trying to figure out a different way to put it.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  I think that's pretty clear.

• 1:34:57Speaker 00

  I think it's just the Browns, the Browns browning was stronger than the Jets jet, Jetsing today.

• 1:35:02Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:35:03Speaker 00

  That's like, it was, yeah, they, their force was stronger and, and Braylon Allen, Garrett Wilson, uh, they had 220 of the 276 yards the Jets had on offense today. They were awesome.

• 1:35:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. That first drive was sick. I thought we were going to score a million points.

• 1:35:17Speaker 00

  I did too. I did too.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  So are we pumping the brakes on Todd Monkin to the Hall of Fame?

• 1:35:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. I never put him in the Hall of Fame. I would say we're good for right now.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  I had him in the Hall of Fame.

• 1:35:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. I think he dropped a frick in the, uh, oh yeah. He said, we all got to take a big fricking bite out of this because it's not good enough.

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  I love that. I love it.

• 1:35:36Speaker 00

  All fame quote.

• 1:35:37Speaker 02

  Also, apparently there's another, another TV show about the Browns, about a fictional Browns team.

• 1:35:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  It's Christopher Maloney from Law and Order. They're like, she's 18, you sick fuck. You know that guy?

• 1:35:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  Uh, I guess he plays the head coach of the Browns.

• 1:35:51Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:35:51Speaker 02

  In a show that's just coming out right now. I think it's called The Land.

• 1:35:57Speaker 00

  About Cleveland?

• 1:35:58Speaker 02

  And yeah, and his son is like the Ohio State quarterback.

• 1:36:00Speaker 00

  That's pretty cool.

• 1:36:01Speaker 02

  And he tries to draft his son.

• 1:36:02Speaker 00

  What was that noise Hank?

• 1:36:04Speaker 04

  Who wants a show about Cleveland?

• 1:36:07Speaker 00

  Hank.

• 1:36:08Speaker 02

  You watch Draft Day?

• 1:36:09Speaker 04

  TV show.

• 1:36:10Speaker 00

  Hey.

• 1:36:10Speaker 02

  Roger Goodell's in it. All your favorites.

• 1:36:12Speaker 00

  Hank, we had a nice time in Cleveland that one time we went.

• 1:36:15Speaker 04

  Can I make?

• 1:36:16Speaker 00

  I've been a bunch of times, but remember that one time we went, we walked around, it was a beautiful sunny day. It was the, uh, Jake Paul fight.

• 1:36:23Speaker 04

  Earl's mayor.

• 1:36:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  I mean, how are you going to have?

• 1:36:25Speaker 00

  I had a great time.

• 1:36:26Speaker 02

  If there's one team.

• 1:36:27Speaker 04

  I've never seen Draft.

• 1:36:28Speaker 02

  To have Christopher Maloney.

• 1:36:29Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:36:30Speaker 02

  From Law and Order played coach.

• 1:36:31Speaker 04

  We've talked about it on this show.

• 1:36:33Speaker 00

  PFT.

• 1:36:33Speaker 04

  So many times.

• 1:36:35Speaker 02

  I'm just thinking about the scene with him and Deshaun Watson. Like, how's that going to go?

• 1:36:39Speaker 00

  No, you missed what Hank said.

• 1:36:40Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry. I was just locked in on that fantasy.

• 1:36:42Speaker 04

  Ooh, Mandy Moore.

• 1:36:44Speaker 00

  Hank, say it again.

• 1:36:45Speaker 05

  There's too many conversations.

• 1:36:46Speaker 00

  Uh, I agree, but it's, we gotta focus on what Hank just tried to reveal to us.

• 1:36:52Speaker 04

  I've been holding this in for a long time. I probably should have just done it at some point. I've never seen Draft Day.

• 1:36:57Speaker 05

  I think you, I think you have homework.

• 1:36:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. You gotta see it.

• 1:37:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. See Draft Day Hank, it's so, it's so good.

• 1:37:03Speaker 05

  You're not missing much.

• 1:37:04Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:37:06Speaker 02

  Whoa. It's fucked up.

• 1:37:07Speaker 05

  Draft Day is an excellent film.

• 1:37:09Speaker 02

  Excellent film. And I've never said that it would be one of the worst movies ever made if it didn't have official NFL logos in it. I've never said that.

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  But because it does.

• 1:37:18Speaker 05

  Arian. You hate Arian.

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, you do, Harry.

• 1:37:20Speaker 04

  I love Arian.

• 1:37:20Speaker 05

  He's in it.

• 1:37:21Speaker 00

  It's also like wild.

• 1:37:23Speaker 02

  He plays one of the main characters.

• 1:37:24Speaker 00

  It's wildly fictional too, cause it's the, the Wisconsin quarterbacks going one, one overhaul.

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  And also the Cleveland Browns having a functional front office. They do, they fucking hose the Jaguars in that movie.

• 1:37:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, big time.

• 1:37:36Speaker 02

  That GM, he, they should fire him on this.

• 1:37:39Speaker 00

  Spoiler. He's got to watch.

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, you should watch it.

• 1:37:40Speaker 00

  You gotta watch. Memes, next week, what are you thinking? After a historic win.

• 1:37:46Speaker 05

  After a historic win, season's back on. If you win the game, you're three and three.

• 1:37:53Speaker 03

  Patriots are three and three. You control your own destiny in the division.

• 1:37:57Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:37:58Speaker 03

  Fact or fiction?

• 1:37:59Speaker 00

  Hank, the, the amount that Hank is, uh, like considering the Jets as a worthy adversary is less than zero.

• 1:38:09Speaker 04

  Welcome to this podcast.

• 1:38:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I know. It's, it's like.

• 1:38:12Speaker 03

  If I'm speaking freely, we've not, we don't go in there and win.

• 1:38:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:16Speaker 03

  Ever.

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  But now.

• 1:38:18Speaker 03

  And we.

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  But now Ben, Ben Johnson's your coach.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  Ben Johnson is our coach, but like we.

• 1:38:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, you got, you got all Ben Johnson's powers. Aaron Glenn doing the, the flag, the red flag, the challenge flag was very funny.

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:31Speaker 00

  All time gif.

• 1:38:32Speaker 03

  I love him. I, I, I know some Jeff fans won't like that. I love him.

• 1:38:35Speaker 00

  I think he might be turning the corner. I mean, Dan Campbell didn't do it in one year.

• 1:38:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true. They, there's a lot of comparisons to him.

• 1:38:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. He called a great game today. He's, he's building the culture.

• 1:38:50Speaker 03

  The 2022 Lions, they started what? One and seven?

• 1:38:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're really bad.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  Really, really bad. Nine and eight?

• 1:38:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. So. Might be, might be, things might be turning. Okay. Uh, next up Bengals 31 Dolphins 24. What?

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  Basically law, they, they gave the game away. They got lucky because there was the Browns. If they had lost the game, which they should have lost the game, it would not be things have turned the corner. You're only saying that because at the end of the day, they won.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:39:23Speaker 04

  But like, they didn't play good. No, I know, but like the.

• 1:39:27Speaker 00

  You play the results.

• 1:39:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:30Speaker 03

  It was defensively good.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 1:39:32Speaker 04

  It was, it was a torrential downpour.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  You just need to let people enjoy things.

• 1:39:36Speaker 04

  Gale force wins.

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  You let, let memes enjoy this.

• 1:39:39Speaker 00

  You guys are gonna be able to settle it on the field.

• 1:39:40Speaker 03

  I agree. That game sucked. I wasted three hours watching that shit. There was two good drives. And one of them was half a drive, which was at the end of the game. That was a Braylon Allen touchdown.

• 1:39:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was a Braylon Allen run.

• 1:39:52Speaker 03

  And that was, that was it.

• 1:39:53Speaker 04

  And the first drive of the game.

• 1:39:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the first drive of the game. Everything in between was dog shit.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  And they never went back to Garrett Wilson. Or saying call some Garrett Allen.

• 1:40:02Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, the Browns made adjustments, which is smart.

• 1:40:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:04Speaker 03

  But everybody is coming back next week.

• 1:40:07Speaker 00

  Everyone.

• 1:40:08Speaker 03

  Everyone.

• 1:40:08Speaker 00

  Who?

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  Omar Cooper, Breece Hall.

• 1:40:10Speaker 00

  Oh, that's actually good.

• 1:40:11Speaker 03

  Left guard. Adnan Mitchell.

• 1:40:15Speaker 03

  We're coming.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  They're, they're coming. And they're probably right now sitting at home, listening to Hank. This is bulletin board material for their ears.

• 1:40:22Speaker 04

  Bring it.

• 1:40:22Speaker 00

  Did you just call him Adnan Mitchell?

• 1:40:24Speaker 03

  Adnan?

• 1:40:24Speaker 00

  Like the guy from cereal?

• 1:40:27Speaker 03

  I'm gonna put the Jets in my, in my hunger dog.

• 1:40:28Speaker 00

  Is that guy still in jail?

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I think so.

• 1:40:32Speaker 03

  Oh, can you imagine?

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  Adnan Syed.

• 1:40:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, did the woman ever say that she was in love?

• 1:40:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was clearly in love with him.

• 1:40:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. What were you gonna say, Mimi?

• 1:40:39Speaker 03

  It's like, can you imagine if they win next week? That.

• 1:40:43Speaker 00

  Emergency pod.

• 1:40:44Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 1:40:47Speaker 00

  He's just still, he's still.

• 1:40:48Speaker 03

  He's eye rolling.

• 1:40:49Speaker 00

  It's literally like saying.

• 1:40:50Speaker 04

  What is that? Emergency pod? Like we, every, that's.

• 1:40:53Speaker 00

  No, but you saying imagine if the Jets, Hank is treating it like someone saying, imagine if the sun didn't rise tomorrow.

• 1:41:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, we'd be in trouble.

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  Well, how bad would it be if the Jets beat you?

• 1:41:07Speaker 04

  Horrible. Season's over.

• 1:41:10Speaker 00

  Oh. So you have to dumb with the season.

• 1:41:15Speaker 04

  Mentally.

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  Like Tank?

• 1:41:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. Change the name, change everything.

• 1:41:22Speaker 00

  And you'd be his bitch for a week.

• 1:41:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41:24Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, it'd be, it'd be longer.

• 1:41:27Speaker 00

  Well, until you played again.

• 1:41:28Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:41:29Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:41:30Speaker 03

  Winning in, in Fox.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  But then he would come, potentially win in Jersey.

• 1:41:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we stink.

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:41:36Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:41:37Speaker 00

  Uh, Bengals 31 Dolphins 24.

• 1:41:39Speaker 02

  Ass kicking.

• 1:41:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I'll say that the Dolphins, Nicky Spokes, our coworker who's a Dolphins fan, he did put a, point out that they're not the worst 0-4 team. And then we're like, or he said they're the best 0-4 team.

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:53Speaker 00

  And then we're like, what about the Texans? The Texans were about to win their first game. He's like, well, they weren't supposed to be 0-4. And he's like, we're like, what about the Chargers? Like, well, they weren't supposed to be 0-4. So he's basically saying the Dolphins are better than Titans. I agree.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's right. He's right. They're, they're the only true good 0-5 team.

• 1:42:11Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:42:11Speaker 00

  They're tanking perfectly. They have a lot of young talent. The young talent plays hard.

• 1:42:16Speaker 02

  Ethical.

• 1:42:17Speaker 00

  Their, uh, coach seems to know what he's doing generally and Malik Willis is just not very good.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Well, is Malik Willis not good or was he just tipping pitches?

• 1:42:28Speaker 00

  I, maybe he was tipping pitches.

• 1:42:30Speaker 02

  Because Battle, like publicly before the game.

• 1:42:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:33Speaker 02

  Said, yeah, he's got a tell. Here's what his tell is. We're watching that. We're gonna be able to get the jump on him.

• 1:42:39Speaker 00

  Well.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  And then that's exactly what he, he, I think he had two picks on Willis.

• 1:42:43Speaker 00

  He had two, yeah, he had, uh.

• 1:42:46Speaker 02

  Or do you have one interception?

• 1:42:47Speaker 00

  I think he had one, but the Malik Willis threw more interceptions than completions, uh, with one minute left in the first half. He had more interceptions than completions. So he had one, one completion going into halftime there.

• 1:43:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Battle, Battle picked him off on back to back drives in the second quarter.

• 1:43:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. So he did have a tell.

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  So maybe just, we fix that and then we fix the Dolphins.

• 1:43:10Speaker 00

  The Bengals are going into the bye for the first time, uh, with a winning record since 2022. I know their bye has changed, uh, where it's been. But good for the Bengals. I still think they have to figure out how to run the ball. Because you saw it at the end of the game. The Dolphins had an all time backdoor cover in this game or backdoor push. Should have been a backdoor cover, missed the extra point. So that was basically our big witching hour gambling switch that was happening. And, uh, so that to me is like, watching that game, the Bengals just, they couldn't, they couldn't fully put the Dolphins away just because they couldn't just get first downs running the ball. Jamar Chase also made just an insane, insane touchdown catch. He's, he's so good.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, he's very back.

• 1:43:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I think the, I think the Bengals are in a, a good spot going into the bye. Then they have the Ravens. So the big, big like test on what the Bengals are.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  The, the Bengals, they're crazy healthy.

• 1:44:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:08Speaker 02

  This is like the good, I, I, you know what? I'm gonna stop talking because I feel like if I say anything else, it's a big time jinx of them.

• 1:44:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:13Speaker 02

  So I'm just gonna say it's nice to see the Bengals playing with their best players.

• 1:44:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:18Speaker 02

  They're very good.

• 1:44:19Speaker 00

  But Joe Burrow got a little, I think he's, I think he's kinda like, he didn't like the media anymore. He don't like this. He said, the reporter asked, how hot was it? And he said, I don't know. I'm sure you can check the weather report, man. I like that response.

• 1:44:31Speaker 02

  Sounds like Bart Simpson.

• 1:44:33Speaker 00

  I mean, it is true. Like, there's a temperature on your phone.

• 1:44:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:37Speaker 00

  So asking Joe Burrow after the game, how hot was it? Is a pretty big waste of your question.

• 1:44:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. Why don't you, why don't you look at the weather channel, man?

• 1:44:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Check out the weather channel. All right, let's keep moving. Uh, cause that, this, these are the non-competitive games that we saw. Next non-competitive game, Vikings 23, Saints 13.

• 1:44:56Speaker 00

  Big story is the Vikings offense looked good for the first time, uh, this season. Kyler looks good. Started the game 12 for 12, was running, so cute running. Justin Jefferson made an insane catch, touchdown catch, and the Vikings defense had Tyler Shuck in absolute hell. Our boy's going through it, Max. He's going through it.

• 1:45:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:18Speaker 00

  It was not good.

• 1:45:19Speaker 03

  But hey, listen, he's still, he's still a young quarterback. You gotta go through, through some adversity at this point in your career. It's all about how he bounces back.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  That's true. Did I read right that Flores blitzed 90% of the time today?

• 1:45:33Speaker 00

  Uh, I don't think so. I think he blitzed 61%.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  61% of the time?

• 1:45:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:37Speaker 03

  That's, the Vikings defense is so good, like.

• 1:45:40Speaker 00

  You want some crazy Vikings defense, uh, stats? Uh, let's see, I had them all written down. Hold on, I gotta pull them up. The Vikings, uh, hold on. Oh, there was some Kellen Moore bad stats. Kellen Moore's gotta figure it out. They, uh, he's coached 22 games for the Saints. They have one first quarter lead. Four first half leads. They start every game slow. It's crazy watching them start these games. It just, it, they just keep putting themselves in holes. And when you're playing a team like the Vikings, you got no chance of getting out of that hole. Because they're so fucking good. Oh, here it is.

• 1:46:21Speaker 00

  The Vikings defense has allowed three touchdowns since halftime of the opener. That's four and a half games. They've allowed three touchdowns, three touchdowns. Uh, opposing offenses, third down conversions against the Minnesota Vikings defense this year. 14 for 63, 22%.

• 1:46:42Speaker 00

  That's insane. 22% teams are converting on, on third down against the Vikings defense. They are so good. And Kyler, again, played really well. So now you see like the full picture. It's like, oh shit, this team could be very scary if their offense comes along. And I think even Addison went out, Hawkinson got a concussion. So it's basically, it was basically just throwing it up to Justin Jefferson. I don't know, man. That's, that was impressive. They, they, they had the Saints in absolute hell.

• 1:47:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was one moment where it looked like things were turned around for the Saints. Chase Young got that fumble, ran back with it and it was like, oh, well, it might be frisky. And then absolutely nothing. It's just been a couple of weeks of terrible vibes in the dome.

• 1:47:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  Bad times in the dome. Shuck said, I'd boo too. Like he understands, like that sucks.

• 1:47:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was lost.

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  On Drew Brees night.

• 1:47:36Speaker 00

  Today was Drew Brees.

• 1:47:37Speaker 02

  It was Drew Brees night tonight.

• 1:47:38Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  So they, they inducted him to the Ring of Honor in the dome, which I was kind of surprised that he wasn't already. But I guess they were like, maybe he'll come back.

• 1:47:44Speaker 00

  Maybe, yeah.

• 1:47:45Speaker 02

  Maybe that's when it's real. That's when it's like, we're not, we're not ever getting him back.

• 1:47:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I was impressed. Kyler looking good scared me. He ran the ball well too today. He ran it 10 times for 51 yards and he, again, he looks so cute running, but when Kyler starts to run, now it's like, oh, he might be feeling, I think it was his best game. I saw the stats since like 2024.

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  He's getting used to it. Yeah.

• 1:48:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:48:08Speaker 02

  He's getting used to being back out there.

• 1:48:10Speaker 00

  Okay. Uh, last game from the early slate, Texans 26, Titans three. I feel like we just don't have to talk about the Titans anymore, right? I, the only note I had here was, I feel like it was kind of fucked up of D'Amico Ryan to pick, this is the game that he was taking, uh, back control of defensive play calling. That's such a layup.

• 1:48:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:32Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean? He's like, yeah, we, I, he's like, I need to get back in charge of the defense. Oh shit, we're playing the Titans? Okay. I guess I'll do it for this week.

• 1:48:39Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, it's really easy one. It's a real easy one for, today was just a great day for him. He's like, I'm going to get to call the plays against this defense. And then afterwards I'm going to go to the podium and I'm going to talk about how we just got Marvin Harrison.

• 1:48:52Speaker 00

  So let's talk about the Marvin Harrison thing because Adam Schefter, one of the weirdest tweets, uh, on, was it Saturday morning? When he's like, Marvin Harrison has been traded.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:03Speaker 00

  But just didn't say where.

• 1:49:05Speaker 02

  And he very, he's been doing this for a couple of years, big cat. He knows that some people have notifications on for his tweets and he knows exactly where they cut off. And so on the notification has been traded and then dot, dot, dot.

• 1:49:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  Then you open it up and it's just like, that's the end of the story.

• 1:49:24Speaker 00

  So we're, we, we got a lot of things. We, write this down Zach, because we got a lot of things we gotta talk to Adam Schefter about when we see him at the combine. Yeah. He, he, he reported, what was the initial tweet? It was Saturday morning.

• 1:49:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm looking for it.

• 1:49:38Speaker 00

  It was so weird, but I will say it, maybe, here it is. Breaking, the Arizona Cardinals are finalizing a deal to trade Marvin Harrison. Sources tell me in rap sheet, the team informed Harrison this morning that he would be inactive for Sunday's game for just versus Detroit as details of the trade are finalized. Just nothing about where.

• 1:49:58Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 1:49:59Speaker 00

  So I have a question for you guys. Were the Titans, or the, sorry, the Texans, basically like, hey, we're going to trade for Marvin Harrison if we beat the Titans? Like, we're 0-4. If we can't beat the Titans, the season's over.

• 1:50:17Speaker 02

  We can't be taking this on?

• 1:50:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. When we beat the Titans, we'll then do the trade.

• 1:50:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:21Speaker 00

  I think that's what happened, right?

• 1:50:23Speaker 02

  I think that's exactly what happened.

• 1:50:24Speaker 00

  That's so funny.

• 1:50:25Speaker 02

  And, yeah, because, and they're not wrong.

• 1:50:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, they're like.

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  If they'd lost, if they'd lost the Titans, they should pack it up.

• 1:50:32Speaker 00

  Right. They were like, we gotta test this thing out.

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:34Speaker 00

  Like, let's just make sure that we're not really, really bad. As soon as we, as soon as we get the answer, we'll let you know, we'll do the trade.

• 1:50:41Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:50:42Speaker 00

  And that's exactly what happened.

• 1:50:43Speaker 02

  That's.

• 1:50:44Speaker 00

  I also, am I crazy? I, I think I'm just a sucker for like, you know, rekindling, but CJ Shroud and Marvin Harrison, I think it's going to work.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  I think, and you know what? It's Columbus Day. Two Buckeyes getting back together.

• 1:50:57Speaker 00

  Yep. CJ Shroud looks good. I mean, he, he hit, uh, seven guys had at least two catches. Oh, I had one Titans thing. Cam Ward, I mean, I'm done with Cam Ward. Here's the stat that, that sums up why I'm done with Cam Ward. He had in the first half, he had zero passes completed over 10 air yards, but he also had two pass attempts under two and a half seconds release. So he's holding on to the ball and still not throwing it deep.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:27Speaker 00

  It's terrible to watch.

• 1:51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he, um, here's one good thing for the Titans. Last year, the Titans played against the Texans and they lost 26 to nothing. This year, 26 to three.

• 1:51:40Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  So it's improvement.

• 1:51:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  Salah also called the Texans the best 0-4 team in NFL history.

• 1:51:46Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:51:47Speaker 02

  So there's that, which we'll have to go through the all time rankings and get back to him on what that is.

• 1:51:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. By the way, there's.

• 1:51:54Speaker 02

  He's also not benching Cam Ward. He said he's our starter.

• 1:51:56Speaker 00

  Okay, that's good. Uh, the history of top five overall draft picks traded within the first three seasons, not exactly great. So Trey Lance, Trent Richardson, Aaron Curry, remember him? Wake Forest?

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  That, and by the way, Aaron Curry was the one thing everyone said about him. This is the safest pick that you will ever see made in the top 10.

• 1:52:18Speaker 00

  Yep. And then Gaines Adams, those are the, all the, the, the four that have happened in the last 25 years. So maybe CJ Shroud and Marvin Harrison back together will, will do it.

• 1:52:30Speaker 02

  I do think that this could be, I don't know, because I'm of the mindset that Marvin Harrison Jr. Didn't forget how to play wide receiver. Because he was, it didn't look like that when he was in college.

• 1:52:41Speaker 00

  You know what doesn't help him either? The fact that Jeremiah Smith is so good.

• 1:52:45Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:52:45Speaker 00

  Because everyone's like, he's so much better.

• 1:52:47Speaker 02

  Is like.

• 1:52:48Speaker 04

  I don't think that helps Marvin Harrison. It doesn't help Jeremiah Smith.

• 1:52:51Speaker 00

  Oh no, I think Jeremiah Smith.

• 1:52:53Speaker 04

  Marvin Harrison was unbelievable.

• 1:52:56Speaker 00

  Jeremiah Smith.

• 1:52:57Speaker 02

  It looked different when he was in college. Like he, he ran crisp, it was like sharp turns.

• 1:53:03Speaker 00

  CJ Shroud.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  Change of pace, explosiveness.

• 1:53:05Speaker 00

  No CJ Shroud.

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. So like, he did not, I don't think he forgot how to play football. I think for whatever reason, something went wrong. And maybe it's like, just what we're seeing with college athletes now. You get paid in, in college, then you go to the pros, football's not as fun anymore for you. And you get bummed out and you play for a shitty team sometimes. For whatever reason, it just didn't work in Arizona. And I do think that a change of pace might help him out.

• 1:53:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'd agree. Uh, it's a good move by the Texans. They need, the, the better their offense is, like, we know their defense is going to round into shape, especially with D'Amico Ryan's, I mean, look, he, he called the plays for one game. They gave up three points.

• 1:53:44Speaker 02

  Will Anderson Jr. Had an amazing game.

• 1:53:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, their defense is awesome. And the Texans, the Titans do not have a real offense. Cam Ward. I, Titans fans, tell me if I'm wrong. Like, are you done with him? I feel like,

• 1:53:58Speaker 00

  I feel like you gotta be done with him.

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. Yes. Big picture, yes. But also if you're the Titans, you realize that playing the rest of the season with Cam Ward.

• 1:54:08Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:54:08Speaker 02

  Is also the right thing to do.

• 1:54:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not saying not playing him this year, but like you have to look elsewhere.

• 1:54:12Speaker 02

  Done believing that he will be the future of the team.

• 1:54:15Speaker 00

  Next year might be, uh, let's draft a quarterback.

• 1:54:18Speaker 02

  I think that this is, it's at that point where even, even the most optimistic Titans fans, they just, they understand.

• 1:54:25Speaker 00

  All right. Uh, let's do the afternoon games. Before we do that, PFT, you have a couple of ads.

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• 1:56:21Speaker 00

  Okay, Broncos 23, Chargers 17. Cardiac Broncos back, comeback kids. Uh, they were down 17-10 in the fourth quarter and then big stupid pick guy showed up.

• 1:56:35Speaker 02

  It was partially big stupid pick guy, partially.

• 1:56:38Speaker 00

  Stupid fumble guy.

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  Big stupid, didn't get fourth and one guy.

• 1:56:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. So the, the Chargers had five possessions in the, in the fourth quarter. They went punt, turnover on downs, fumble, pick, sack to end the game.

• 1:56:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:53Speaker 00

  Their all line is such a mess. I know that.

• 1:56:56Speaker 02

  Very bad.

• 1:56:57Speaker 00

  Justin Herbert also looks like, I, he had no one to, I actually, you know what? I'm not going to put.

• 1:57:03Speaker 04

  Anyone does make excuses.

• 1:57:04Speaker 00

  No, no, no. I, he's been bad this year. I'm actually not going to blame this one on him just because, hold on. The pick, the fumble I blame on him. The pick was fourth and six. He had to try to do something. He literally had no one to throw to and the offensive line sucked, but the fumble was, the fumble is what lost them the game. They were, all he had to do was take a sack there and punt it away because the Chargers defense is playing really well. Broncos offense still sucks. Sean Payton took it over. The numbers somehow got worse. But yeah, the, the, the pick, the, the big stupid pick, that wasn't as stupid as like, it was fourth and six. He had to just throw it.

• 1:57:40Speaker 02

  The Chargers outgained the Broncos 237 to 224. They outrushed Denver 155 to 106. They held the ball longer. Uh, the Broncos went one for 12 on third downs and, uh, still found a way to win the game. And Sean Payton kicking that field goal on the one yard line was like some chicken shit football, but it's also very disrespectful that he was like, yeah, we'll take the three points from the one because that's how little faith I have.

• 1:58:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  And, and Justin Herbert to do anything good right?

• 1:58:08Speaker 00

  I actually thought it was the correct move because like they're, the Chargers are not gonna, they, they had the Kamani Vidal run and like, it's like the Chargers aren't gonna be able to get down the field. Their offense is such a broken piece of shit and Justin Herbert does deserve a lot of blame, but that the pick, I'm just not calling him a big stupid pick guy. He's a big stupid fumble guy this week. The fumble was bad.

• 1:58:28Speaker 02

  It was kind of a stupid pick.

• 1:58:29Speaker 00

  Well, it was fourth and six. You gotta throw it.

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta throw, you gotta chuck it down there.

• 1:58:33Speaker 00

  You can't, it didn't, like.

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  The stupid pick last week was a banner, banner weekend and stupid picks.

• 1:58:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:39Speaker 02

  The first one that he's, he's been bad. Justin Herbert's been bad this year. There, it's, it's also true that everybody around him is currently in the morgue.

• 1:58:48Speaker 00

  Do you think, are we worried at all about Jim Harbaugh's mental health?

• 1:58:52Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes.

• 1:58:54Speaker 00

  He's lost eight straight football games.

• 1:58:56Speaker 02

  Yes, that's never happened.

• 1:58:57Speaker 00

  Eight straight. Well, it has when he was a player, but yeah.

• 1:59:01Speaker 02

  But not as a coach.

• 1:59:02Speaker 00

  Not as a coach.

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yes.

• 1:59:03Speaker 00

  Eight straight.

• 1:59:04Speaker 02

  I'm very worried about him. They asked him like what the message was for a team that's on five and he, he just goes, I don't know.

• 1:59:10Speaker 00

  And guess what? They had to play the Chiefs off a bye.

• 1:59:14Speaker 02

  This is when they turn it around.

• 1:59:15Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  Andy Reid off a bye.

• 1:59:18Speaker 00

  The fact that the Chargers didn't cover this game is insane. They were up 17, they were plus three and a half. They were up 17, 10 in the fourth quarter and the Broncos couldn't do anything. The Broncos got worse offensively with Sean Payton. It's crazy. I still don't know what to make. The Broncos are three and two. I don't really understand them at all. Like I don't think they're good, but they keep finding ways to win games. If they beat the Seahawks on Thursday night football, then I'm just like, I'll just throw my hands up and be like, this team's just magic.

• 1:59:48Speaker 02

  There's just something about the fourth quarter and Bo Nix.

• 1:59:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, he didn't push the ball down the field much at all again today.

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  I, but he just, they figure out a way to call the perfect play at the perfect time.

• 2:00:00Speaker 00

  To win the game.

• 2:00:01Speaker 02

  To win the game. And that's.

• 2:00:01Speaker 00

  They call the game winning play.

• 2:00:03Speaker 02

  That's happened for the last two years. It just continues to happen. I don't know what it is. Even Broncos fans probably don't think that, that there's not a like, there's not a whole lot of confidence because they haven't reached that part in the, in the season yet where they just say, let go, close your eyes and trust that everything's going to work out because it always does. Um, but it's, it's getting to that point where I'm about to just say, fourth quarter, if it's within one score, just yeah, let, let Bo Nix take the wheel and, and good things are gonna happen.

• 2:00:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, should we go Lions 45 Cardinals 21? This was everything I've ever said about Jacoby Brissette. If you didn't watch the game, Jacoby Brissette was six for eight, 58 yards, a touchdown on the first drive. He was seven for 12, 60 yards, a touchdown on the last drive and in between he was garbage.

• 2:00:50Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:51Speaker 00

  It was the perfect Jacoby Brissette game.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, they also ran a, a sick Philly special.

• 2:00:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:56Speaker 02

  On fourth and one.

• 2:00:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:58Speaker 02

  Whereas Michael Wilson throwing to Brissette for like a four yard gain, got the first down.

• 2:01:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01:02Speaker 02

  That was the hardest I've seen a team work to get four yards.

• 2:01:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01:05Speaker 02

  But hey, it worked.

• 2:01:06Speaker 00

  And, and the Lions defense played well. I know it's against the Cardinals offense, but they played well. Lions offense was awesome. It felt like everyone, like Gibbs was incredible. He is incredible. He had more yards from scrimmage in the first half than the Cardinals did as a team. Laporta was sick. JMo got going. It felt like the, the Lions full offense like woke up today and they, they like, they started a little slow again, but then they, once they found their gear, they was just off.

• 2:01:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:34Speaker 00

  It was over at halftime.

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  They haven't scored a touchdown in the first quarter yet this year.

• 2:01:39Speaker 00

  Did they not score one today? I thought they did.

• 2:01:41Speaker 02

  Did they?

• 2:01:41Speaker 00

  I think they scored one.

• 2:01:42Speaker 02

  Going into today, they didn't have one. When you were talking about like their slow start.

• 2:01:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, they, they have been starting slow. They were down seven, nothing today.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, down seven, nothing. And they, then the second quarter, they.

• 2:01:52Speaker 00

  Scored 24.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  They went off. Yeah.

• 2:01:54Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  Uh, Gibbs, yeah, you're right. Great. Absolutely outstanding game by Gibbs. Gibbs has now tied Barry Sanders for most scrimmage yards, uh, or most scrimmage touchdowns before turning 25 in NFL history.

• 2:02:07Speaker 00

  He's.

• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  With 57.

• 2:02:08Speaker 00

  He's so sick.

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  And he scored 58 shortly after that.

• 2:02:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:02:11Speaker 02

  I just saw the update. Now he's at 58. So he surpassed Barry Sanders on that list.

• 2:02:16Speaker 00

  Also, if you want to, just like, if you're a fan of awesome catches, Trey McBride might've had the best touchdown catch that meant absolutely nothing in a blowout loss. He like tipped it to himself, got his feet in bounds and, uh, and somehow like hovered over the defender and, and got control before he was pushed out to cut the lead to 45, 21.

• 2:02:40Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:02:41Speaker 00

  With like five minutes left in the game.

• 2:02:45Speaker 00

  It was a sick catch. That's it. That's all I got.

• 2:02:48Speaker 02

  Dan Campbell asked for 35 points at a minimum to win this game.

• 2:02:52Speaker 00

  And he got it.

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  And he's.

• 2:02:54Speaker 00

  Could've done with less.

• 2:02:55Speaker 02

  He's realistic. He's realistic because I'm sure that if they'd scored 31 points, it would've find a way to screw something up in the, uh, in the fourth quarter. But yeah, the, the defense, I, I don't know. Did the defense look better or were they just playing the Cardinals?

• 2:03:07Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, that's probably a little bit of both. I mean, they did get five sacks, I think. Uh, so that's, that's at least something, but yeah.

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  I think that Jacoby Brissette might, might be the most comfortable quarterback to sack in the NFL right now.

• 2:03:18Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:19Speaker 02

  You look at.

• 2:03:19Speaker 00

  Big pillow.

• 2:03:20Speaker 02

  You look around the league and that's probably, he's, might not be the funnest to sack, but in terms of like, it's like you're jumping into a bunk bed.

• 2:03:27Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:03:27Speaker 02

  When you hit Jacoby Brissette.

• 2:03:28Speaker 00

  Also Jared is, uh, 12 touchdowns, zero interceptions through the, through, to the start of the season.

• 2:03:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:34Speaker 00

  Something to, something to monitor. They've been, I mean, their offenses, I, I, the Bills game was like, that was a lot of offense when they were kinda already getting, getting blown out, but like if the Lions can just have a middle of the pack defense, they're a good team.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Jared with a Russian touchdown today too.

• 2:03:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Dude, he does it all. Michael Forrester, uh, I know we're better than that, but that doesn't mean shit right now. I don't know if you are. No offense.

• 2:04:04Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:05Speaker 00

  I don't think the Cardinals are better than them.

• 2:04:06Speaker 02

  I think maybe he's thinking like, I think we're closer to the team that we looked like in the first half of the first half.

• 2:04:14Speaker 00

  Oh, of the first, of this game?

• 2:04:17Speaker 02

  Of this game. Yeah.

• 2:04:18Speaker 00

  Jacoby Brissette always looks like that.

• 2:04:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think he's like, that's closer to who I think that we are because when I watch us play in practice, that's what I see.

• 2:04:27Speaker 00

  Has a win, has a shocking win ever aged worse than the Cardinals beating the Chargers, week one? Remember we all were like, holy fuck, Cardinals might be good.

• 2:04:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:39Speaker 00

  No, they both just stink. Like that's just, they just stink. It turns out that the Cardinals beating the Chargers was not shocking at all. The Chargers are really bad.

• 2:04:50Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:51Speaker 00

  And the Cardinals also are bad. They just happen to beat a worse team than them. But I, at the time we were like, oh my God, could the Cardinals be like frisky? I know I said that. Wrong.

• 2:05:02Speaker 02

  Shout out to, uh, Teagan Quatoriano.

• 2:05:05Speaker 00

  Yes, two touchdowns.

• 2:05:06Speaker 02

  Two touchdowns today. Are we just not ball knowers for not knowing that he had been in the NFL since 2022?

• 2:05:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I guess. Number 47. I assume he's a fullback?

• 2:05:16Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, tight end.

• 2:05:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, tight end slash fullback. I mean, 47, you have to be a.

• 2:05:21Speaker 02

  Oregon State.

• 2:05:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, you have to be a.

• 2:05:23Speaker 02

  He weird, he wore 84 on the, on the Texans.

• 2:05:27Speaker 00

  That's why I didn't, cause yeah, I was gonna say, where'd that 47 come from?

• 2:05:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, the 47.

• 2:05:32Speaker 00

  I forgot. He's 80.

• 2:05:34Speaker 02

  He's usually like an H-back type guy.

• 2:05:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Last game, 49ers, uh, 32 Seahawks, 29. This was a fun one and there was just turnovers galore. What do you guys, what, what, anyone got any hot takes on this game or, I mean, it was just, it was basically like, who could turn over the ball the most in their own red zone?

• 2:05:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I have a hot take on this game.

• 2:05:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:57Speaker 02

  I think the 49ers the best team in football.

• 2:05:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:59Speaker 04

  I was gonna say NFC championship rematch.

• 2:06:01Speaker 02

  Hot take.

• 2:06:02Speaker 04

  Or NFC championship preview.

• 2:06:03Speaker 00

  Niners defense looks like good.

• 2:06:06Speaker 02

  The defense looked good, but Mike Evans adds such a new dimension to that offense. Like that's something that they've never had.

• 2:06:13Speaker 00

  Dude.

• 2:06:13Speaker 02

  And he's, he's still usually the best receiver on the field at all times. And he was just boxing dudes out, catching everything that was remotely close to him. When Diggs started talking shit to him and he turned him around to look at the nameplate on his back like, who are you, dude?

• 2:06:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was awesome.

• 2:06:31Speaker 02

  I mean, this is a, that's the kind of player that the 49ers have been needing to kind of fill out that offense for a while. And with Brock Purdy playing as good, I mean, today he wasn't like the Brock Purdy that we've seen. But a lot of that has to do with the Seahawks great defense.

• 2:06:44Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:06:45Speaker 02

  Uh, but besides this game, Brock Purdy has been playing at MVP level. Having Mike Evans on your team has to, that's gotta be so much fun for him.

• 2:06:52Speaker 00

  I, I agree with this take. It was a game where basically every single drive the 49ers had to do was just short yardage to, cause they, they just, the Seahawks kept turning the ball over. Until the end, they had to go like 74 yards for a touchdown and it was Mike Evans, just big catch after big catch after big catch. You're right.

• 2:07:11Speaker 02

  They've got, they've got one of the best quarterbacks in football. They've got one of the best running backs in football. They've got one of the best wide receivers in football.

• 2:07:18Speaker 00

  Tight end.

• 2:07:19Speaker 02

  One of the best Titans in football. They've got one of the best left tackles in football and their defense, they've got one of the best middle linebackers in football. They've got another great linebacker, uh, who got kicked out of the game for head butting a guy on the sidelines who wasn't wearing a helmet in football. They've got just like, they're a great football team.

• 2:07:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. We're, uh, and, and then their cornerback, Renato Green, who's like, just popped off. He had two picks today. Yeah, their, their defense impressed me today.

• 2:07:46Speaker 02

  One of the best coaches in football, head coaches in football. They just have to stay healthy.

• 2:07:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. And for the Seahawks, I'm not worried about the Seahawks. They have to figure out a way to run the football. That feels like the missing piece. They had another day where they, they fumbled, I think both, I think both their running backs fumbled and they averaged like three yards a carry. Like it wasn't, it wasn't a good day for their running backs. So.

• 2:08:11Speaker 02

  I mean, there's a terrible fumble on their own.

• 2:08:12Speaker 00

  Oh my God, was that a bad fumble? Also the end of the game spot, people were really mad that the ref like spotted him short before they were like, he just made that up. I, he got it right.

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  I think he was short. I think that's the right spot for him.

• 2:08:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, they reviewed it. He was short.

• 2:08:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cooper Cup dove and he dove out of bounds.

• 2:08:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:08:32Speaker 02

  The ball, he eventually got past the first down marker, but he was like, the ball was two feet out of bounds.

• 2:08:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. He was short.

• 2:08:39Speaker 02

  San Francisco is now five and O and the 49ers have started the season five and O, five times in the Superbowl era. The other five times, one, they won the Superbowl, uh, one, they lost the NFC title game. And the other two times, 2019, 2023, they got to the Superbowl and lost. So when they go five and O, they usually get pretty far.

• 2:09:02Speaker 00

  So that, yeah, best team in football. I deserve that title right now.

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  I, I, I would give them the best team in football.

• 2:09:09Speaker 00

  They have, if you, if we went off of, uh, if we went off of like BCS rankings and stuff, they, they have the two best wins. Pro or two of the best wins in terms of at Seattle and against the Rams. Like those are two very impressive wins.

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. At Seattle and then in Australia.

• 2:09:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, all right, that was, oh, and then Falcons, Ravens, Ravens come back. I don't know why. My big takeaway from this game was why, why did the Falcons go into prevent defense and let Stu Huntley drive down the field?

• 2:09:42Speaker 02

  Picked him apart.

• 2:09:43Speaker 00

  Understand. Mark Andrews was awful, but the Ravens overcame it. Falcons, maybe we got a little ahead of ourselves. Uh, and also is Michael Pennix, how, is how hurt is?

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  I don't know, Mike, but he took a shot to the ribs that looked like he was, he was down for the count.

• 2:09:57Speaker 00

  Tua.

• 2:09:58Speaker 02

  That's, that was one of those hits where like you, you send him to the hospital, scan his chest real quick.

• 2:10:04Speaker 04

  To a big stupid pick guy.

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  Oh my God. Just when you thought we were done with Tua throwing picks. He's like, I got one more in me. And then he throws a big stupid pick.

• 2:10:14Speaker 02

  Really stupid pick.

• 2:10:15Speaker 00

  Classic, classic Tua.

• 2:10:17Speaker 02

  Also Drake London, so good.

• 2:10:20Speaker 00

  So good.

• 2:10:20Speaker 02

  Never catches touchdowns, but so good.

• 2:10:23Speaker 00

  He's so good. I, yeah. And the Ravens, I mean, listen, winning a game with a backup quarterback on the road, Sunday night football. Pretty fucking good. Raven, the AFC is just stacked Hank.

• 2:10:34Speaker 04

  I know.

• 2:10:35Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 2:10:36Speaker 04

  We're ready.

• 2:10:37Speaker 02

  Are you, would you be ready for the 49ers in the Superbowl?

• 2:10:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, gotta be.

• 2:10:44Speaker 00

  Dude, just looking ahead to that Ravens are four and one.

• 2:10:47Speaker 04

  No, I said, would you be?

• 2:10:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. Ravens, four and one Jaguars, four and one Chiefs, four and O. Bills, three and one, those are your AFC division leaders as of right now. That's, there are some really good teams in the AFC. Scary, scary. I guess the second, like, once you get past that to, I'd put the Patriots in that group.

• 2:11:11Speaker 00

  The rest I don't really understand, like, I guess the Bengals, like, I mean, I'm, I don't believe in the Broncos right now. So.

• 2:11:19Speaker 02

  I believe in the Bengals.

• 2:11:19Speaker 00

  The top, top five in the AFC is pretty damn good. Uh, let's do Roback question real quick before we do who's back of the week. Roback question, R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Excuses, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. Zach, do you have a hot take from week five?

• 2:11:37Speaker 05

  My hottest take from week five is that.

• 2:11:42Speaker 05

  This could, this could be a catalyst for the Ravens. The Ravens could go.

• 2:11:45Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:11:46Speaker 05

  Unnecessarily far this season.

• 2:11:47Speaker 00

  Feels like you just picked whatever we were last talking about.

• 2:11:50Speaker 05

  You're saying that shit, you, you think that had a recency bias attached to it?

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 2:11:53Speaker 00

  Gigantic one.

• 2:11:54Speaker 05

  All right, we'll take, we'll, we'll run it all the way back. Uh, if we're talking week five, uh, I think some guys on the show were a little nonchalant, knowing that all their holes are on the line next week.

• 2:12:03Speaker 00

  Oh, I'd agree with that.

• 2:12:06Speaker 05

  Every hole is on the line.

• 2:12:07Speaker 00

  Doing a whole bet and being like, I'm not worried at all. It's crazy.

• 2:12:11Speaker 05

  Every orifice?

• 2:12:12Speaker 04

  I mean, it's not really a bet. You guys just say things like, oh, if you like, I'm the only one that ever asked to put anything up and you, and then, and then.

• 2:12:18Speaker 00

  Well, you're the only one who's cocky in this situation. What is memes, what did you memes put up? You want memes?

• 2:12:24Speaker 04

  You guys didn't do anything when you played.

• 2:12:26Speaker 00

  What, tattoo bets?

• 2:12:28Speaker 04

  You and memes?

• 2:12:29Speaker 00

  Oh, he fucking hated me and just stared me down every fucking day.

• 2:12:32Speaker 05

  There's a difference.

• 2:12:33Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:12:34Speaker 05

  The way that you talked about the Jets was so disrespectful.

• 2:12:38Speaker 00

  So disrespectful.

• 2:12:38Speaker 05

  Like even when I, even.

• 2:12:42Speaker 05

  That's, that's what I'm saying. Like even when like the Eagles were the best and I was playing the commanders and the commander stunk. I never would go, go into the week being like.

• 2:12:50Speaker 00

  You little small.

• 2:12:51Speaker 05

  Well, that's me. But that's different. That's mid game.

• 2:12:53Speaker 02

  That's at the end of the game when it looked like maybe we're gonna win and then we didn't win. I also told Max he was small and we were big boys.

• 2:13:02Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, that, people always clip out, clip out, we were just doing that the entire game back and forth.

• 2:13:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're doing, you just got a little boyed.

• 2:13:10Speaker 05

  But it's always clipped into only me saying it to you.

• 2:13:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Frankly, it's funny that way.

• 2:13:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, whatever. I'm regardless, I'm not.

• 2:13:18Speaker 00

  What hole do you want, you want, what do you want memes to give up?

• 2:13:21Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't need any memes as holes.

• 2:13:23Speaker 00

  So what do you want from memes?

• 2:13:25Speaker 02

  I have a suggestion Hank.

• 2:13:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:13:27Speaker 02

  If you're giving up your holes, which I mean, listen, this, Hank, anyone, you, you can't say that. Anyone here, not you. You can't do that. Uh, if, if you're giving up holes, memes does have a nice new inflatable chair.

• 2:13:41Speaker 03

  Oh, we can't get, we can't give up my chair.

• 2:13:43Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:13:44Speaker 03

  I have to give you my chair then?

• 2:13:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:13:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:13:47Speaker 04

  For a week.

• 2:13:48Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 2:13:49Speaker 00

  For a week, for one week.

• 2:13:50Speaker 02

  I, it might not be inflated all the way by then.

• 2:13:52Speaker 05

  Can you?

• 2:13:53Speaker 02

  It's apparently like a chair that takes 70 hours to completely.

• 2:13:56Speaker 03

  72 hours to completely.

• 2:13:57Speaker 00

  Wait, what?

• 2:13:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I bought, I bought a new chair.

• 2:14:00Speaker 05

  Can you, can I find this chair? What's the name of this chair?

• 2:14:02Speaker 00

  72 hours? What do you mean?

• 2:14:05Speaker 03

  It comes in one of those vacuum sealed compressed bags and the.

• 2:14:09Speaker 05

  So it's not like filled with air?

• 2:14:11Speaker 03

  No, no, it's got stuff in it, but it says it takes 72 hours to completely.

• 2:14:15Speaker 00

  Oh, it's like, yeah, yeah, to reform.

• 2:14:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:18Speaker 00

  It's the boneless.

• 2:14:19Speaker 04

  It's like a couch in a box.

• 2:14:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a boneless furniture.

• 2:14:21Speaker 04

  Those are actually solid.

• 2:14:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, those are.

• 2:14:23Speaker 05

  I actually, I was picturing, I was picturing like, uh, air mattress, but a chair.

• 2:14:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:14:29Speaker 05

  The way you said it.

• 2:14:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:14:30Speaker 00

  I was picturing like, and like when you.

• 2:14:33Speaker 04

  Like you would go home from work and blow into a, into a chair for like two hours and then like, then you have to wait till the next day to keep going.

• 2:14:40Speaker 00

  Like the cheap, the cheap blow up, uh, like guitar you win at a carnival, but in chair form.

• 2:14:45Speaker 02

  I was thinking it was like something that memes won at a bar at like a karaoke contest and he has to go home and blow in and like a, a Bud Light inflatable chair shows up in his living room.

• 2:14:54Speaker 00

  That's pretty nice memes.

• 2:14:55Speaker 02

  That is a good chair.

• 2:14:56Speaker 05

  No, is it? No, this is the inflatable chair.

• 2:14:57Speaker 02

  Oh, that's what I was hoping.

• 2:14:59Speaker 00

  Beams, good style.

• 2:15:00Speaker 03

  I should buy that.

• 2:15:01Speaker 05

  So what, so what is the name of?

• 2:15:02Speaker 02

  I mean, it turns out.

• 2:15:04Speaker 03

  It also turned out to be like really tiny. It looks like.

• 2:15:06Speaker 00

  Whoa, no.

• 2:15:08Speaker 02

  A tiny chair?

• 2:15:08Speaker 03

  It looks like. I might've bought a.

• 2:15:11Speaker 05

  What is the name of this chair?

• 2:15:12Speaker 03

  I might've bought a.

• 2:15:13Speaker 00

  You bought a cock chair by accident?

• 2:15:15Speaker 05

  What is the name of this chair?

• 2:15:16Speaker 03

  I'll send you the link.

• 2:15:18Speaker 00

  It's called a sit and watch?

• 2:15:19Speaker 05

  We gotta see.

• 2:15:20Speaker 03

  It might be.

• 2:15:21Speaker 00

  So you got this chair?

• 2:15:22Speaker 03

  I got this chair.

• 2:15:23Speaker 00

  And then you took it out and it just wasn't big?

• 2:15:25Speaker 03

  It was big. It's an extremely tiny chair.

• 2:15:27Speaker 02

  But it gets bigger.

• 2:15:29Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  Like you have to.

• 2:15:30Speaker 00

  Don't worry.

• 2:15:31Speaker 02

  When you take it out, it expands. Yeah, it expands. Your chair, your, your furniture is a grower, not a shower.

• 2:15:39Speaker 00

  I'm sorry that you got such a small chair.

• 2:15:41Speaker 03

  But it works perfectly. I was playing Minecraft in it.

• 2:15:43Speaker 00

  It was nice.

• 2:15:45Speaker 02

  So there you go.

• 2:15:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, here's the stat. Teams have lost 581 straight games down eight plus points in the final minute. Uh, with their backup quarterback. Or no, sorry, just in the final minute, Ravens with their backup quarterback pull off the comeback. That's crazy.

• 2:16:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. That, that seems like a lot longer than I thought that stat would be.

• 2:16:06Speaker 00

  Well, no, it's because remember that stat is also like the.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  Every game.

• 2:16:10Speaker 00

  Today.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's every game.

• 2:16:11Speaker 00

  Or down eight plus.

• 2:16:13Speaker 02

  Right. So it's really not.

• 2:16:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:16:15Speaker 02

  It's one of those fake stats.

• 2:16:16Speaker 00

  It's a fake stat that sounds cool.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  I hate.

• 2:16:18Speaker 00

  Which that's perfect for this show.

• 2:16:19Speaker 02

  I hate fake stats, fake film guys.

• 2:16:25Speaker 02

  People that don't know what they're talking about.

• 2:16:26Speaker 00

  I like your shirts today, PFT.

• 2:16:28Speaker 02

  Thanks. I was actually thinking about burning it. Like no joke, I was thinking like everything that I'm wearing today, when you lose a game like that, you have to move on from everything that you did that day because everything, but then I thought back at it and I might be a little bit of a loser for thinking this way. I, at one point this afternoon, I, I said to myself, how lucky am I that I got to watch a football game today that I will remember? Probably for the rest of my life.

• 2:16:53Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 2:16:54Speaker 02

  Cause sometimes those games kind of fall between the, the cracks.

• 2:16:57Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 2:16:57Speaker 02

  This was one that I'm going to look back on and be like, you remember when, uh, Jaden just forgot how time works?

• 2:17:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:17:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. So at least there's that.

• 2:17:07Speaker 00

  That is cool. Are you, are you just logging to Amazon?

• 2:17:10Speaker 03

  Well, memes just sent me this link and it, it, it's just a link to, to Amazon.

• 2:17:14Speaker 00

  You send them to Amazon?

• 2:17:16Speaker 03

  It's just amazon.com is the link that he sent me. And I, and because it was like, you gotta sign in. I was like.

• 2:17:22Speaker 00

  All right, find this chair. Let's finish up.

• 2:17:23Speaker 02

  It's like when somebody sends you a link to.

• 2:17:25Speaker 03

  This is another link to Amazon.

• 2:17:26Speaker 02

  To let, let me Google that for you.

• 2:17:28Speaker 00

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• 2:18:11Speaker 00

  Oh, it's like a shag chair.

• 2:18:13Speaker 03

  It's so tiny.

• 2:18:14Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 2:18:15Speaker 03

  I don't, there's, I don't think it's that tiny.

• 2:18:17Speaker 00

  Well, no, that's the point, Max, is that he bought it.

• 2:18:20Speaker 03

  It has a dimension. It says giant chair.

• 2:18:23Speaker 00

  What is it? What is the?

• 2:18:24Speaker 03

  It's definitely not giant.

• 2:18:25Speaker 00

  It does say giant. What is the dimensions across?

• 2:18:27Speaker 03

  Forty-three inches.

• 2:18:30Speaker 00

  That doesn't seem big enough for a chair.

• 2:18:32Speaker 03

  I think it's, I don't think it's that bad.

• 2:18:34Speaker 02

  Is that, is that the total width or is that the cushion width?

• 2:18:36Speaker 00

  That's less than four feet, dude.

• 2:18:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's pretty decent size. For a chair? Think about the chair you're sitting on right now.

• 2:18:43Speaker 00

  I have no fucking idea how big chairs are.

• 2:18:46Speaker 03

  I'm going to send you a picture of it and you're gonna.

• 2:18:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, send me a picture of it. I want to look, get eyes on this chair.

• 2:18:52Speaker 03

  But it came with a little leg rest?

• 2:18:55Speaker 00

  Chairs are also one of those things like, when you think about it, like, it's pretty crazy. Like whoever made the, the chair, like they, they nailed it. We haven't really done anything different with chair technology.

• 2:19:05Speaker 02

  The lazy boy?

• 2:19:06Speaker 00

  Like they just nailed.

• 2:19:07Speaker 02

  Retainer?

• 2:19:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19:08Speaker 03

  It does in the description say beanbag for kids and teens.

• 2:19:11Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. You bought a kid's chair. But yeah, shout out whoever invented the chair. You crushed that, man.

• 2:19:19Speaker 03

  I bought a kid chair.

• 2:19:20Speaker 00

  You bought a, you bought a teen chair.

• 2:19:21Speaker 03

  No, it says adult.

• 2:19:22Speaker 02

  You'll grow into it.

• 2:19:24Speaker 00

  No, it says teens, kids and teens.

• 2:19:26Speaker 03

  It also, it says gaming chair for adults, beanbag chair for kids and teens.

• 2:19:31Speaker 00

  So it's basically saying it's a kids and teen chair, or if you're an adult without a job and you're a loser, you can have this chair.

• 2:19:37Speaker 03

  I have a job.

• 2:19:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:19:39Speaker 03

  I'm a loser.

• 2:19:40Speaker 00

  You're not a loser and you do have a job.

• 2:19:43Speaker 03

  Do have a job.

• 2:19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's for, it's for teens or for adults who act like teens.

• 2:19:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 2:19:49Speaker 00

  Did you qualify in any of those?

• 2:19:51Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't think I act like a teen, but.

• 2:19:54Speaker 00

  Memes, did you go outside on Saturday?

• 2:19:55Speaker 03

  No, or Friday.

• 2:19:56Speaker 00

  Oh my God.

• 2:19:57Speaker 02

  It was awesome this weekend.

• 2:19:58Speaker 00

  So nice. It was great football. We're going to talk college football on Wednesday. By the way, I'm very upset at our friend.

• 2:20:09Speaker 02

  Which friend?

• 2:20:11Speaker 00

  L K.

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  What happened?

• 2:20:15Speaker 00

  He had a coward's punt. Lane Kiffin, really bad. The whole reason you're Lane Kiffin is to not punt.

• 2:20:23Speaker 02

  I'm very happy for our friend.

• 2:20:25Speaker 00

  Will Stein, yeah, WS, yes, true.

• 2:20:27Speaker 02

  And also, what a hire by Jay Bat.

• 2:20:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, Jay Bat. We still need to get Jay Bat on, but yeah, you're Lane Kiffin, man. That's what you do. You go for it.

• 2:20:36Speaker 02

  He got stined.

• 2:20:37Speaker 00

  You get it. You get that one yard. All right, Hank. Who's back of the week?

• 2:20:44Speaker 04

  Um, who's back of the week?

• 2:20:45Speaker 00

  Please say, go ahead.

• 2:20:51Speaker 00

  Please give us an update on the Baker Current.

• 2:20:54Speaker 04

  Oh, the Baker and classic?

• 2:20:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, what happened?

• 2:20:56Speaker 04

  Uh, Michael Brennan back, third PGA tour win. Think he's the third quickest player to get to three wins on the PGA tour.

• 2:21:06Speaker 00

  This is counting as a PGA tour, the Baker?

• 2:21:08Speaker 04

  It's PGA tour event, yeah. Tigers won it. Keegan Bradley's won it.

• 2:21:14Speaker 00

  Has it always played in Japan in October?

• 2:21:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:17Speaker 00

  Okay. Did you watch it?

• 2:21:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. I watched it Thursday night, Friday night. And that's it.

• 2:21:26Speaker 02

  What's the weather like in Japan? It's good weather?

• 2:21:29Speaker 00

  Okay. So Michael Brennan?

• 2:21:31Speaker 04

  Michael Brennan, big win. Keith Mitchell kind of choked, unfortunate. I was rooting for him.

• 2:21:36Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 2:21:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, Baker and classic back.

• 2:21:40Speaker 00

  You never updated us after Thursday night.

• 2:21:43Speaker 04

  What do you mean? I was updating you Thursday night.

• 2:21:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, you said Max, like, I was like, please keep us updated. You should never update us.

• 2:21:52Speaker 04

  My bad.

• 2:21:52Speaker 00

  Sorry. I, I was in on the big current. I wanted more big.

• 2:21:56Speaker 04

  Respect the big current.

• 2:21:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know. I am. That's why I wanted updates.

• 2:21:59Speaker 03

  I went to a little party Saturday night and I tried to put on the big current and immediately got yelled at.

• 2:22:06Speaker 00

  By who? Shef Tony? Oh, Quags. Print, uh, King Richard?

• 2:22:11Speaker 03

  King Richard.

• 2:22:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:12Speaker 03

  He had, he had bet on the Fresno State game and he was like, why the hell is?

• 2:22:17Speaker 00

  Wait, Fresno got over the big current?

• 2:22:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:22:20Speaker 02

  That's a big game.

• 2:22:21Speaker 04

  I was actually watching that game too.

• 2:22:22Speaker 02

  It's a big game. Some people don't know that during the same conference.

• 2:22:25Speaker 03

  They didn't play any defense.

• 2:22:26Speaker 04

  I was watching, boy, yeah.

• 2:22:29Speaker 02

  I was really rooting for Fresno State.

• 2:22:31Speaker 04

  Listen, the big current, it was on after all the other sports.

• 2:22:34Speaker 00

  Well, no.

• 2:22:36Speaker 04

  Oh, sorry. The White Sox were down nine to three in the night. Nine to nothing.

• 2:22:41Speaker 03

  With two guys on.

• 2:22:41Speaker 02

  About jousting.

• 2:22:42Speaker 00

  It's nine, five, two guys up.

• 2:22:44Speaker 04

  Again, like you guys, we walked in here, no one said anything about putting any of the games on TV.

• 2:22:48Speaker 00

  Let's not re, let's not relitigate.

• 2:22:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, we don't have to do.

• 2:22:50Speaker 00

  Well, I was just asked about the big current.

• 2:22:52Speaker 04

  Um, but also speaking of s- s- sports that no one cares about or watches at this time of year.

• 2:23:01Speaker 04

  Celtics smoked the Sixers in preseason basketball.

• 2:23:04Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:23:05Speaker 04

  Jason Brown, Jason Tatum might hate each other.

• 2:23:07Speaker 00

  Jason, Jalen Brown.

• 2:23:08Speaker 04

  Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum might hate each other.

• 2:23:10Speaker 00

  Why? Yeah, what happened?

• 2:23:11Speaker 04

  They just weren't talking pregame.

• 2:23:12Speaker 02

  I thought they were, I thought they were thick as thieves.

• 2:23:14Speaker 00

  You told us for the last like eight years that they were fine.

• 2:23:17Speaker 04

  I, I thought they were. I.

• 2:23:20Speaker 00

  Really?

• 2:23:21Speaker 04

  I don't know anymore.

• 2:23:22Speaker 03

  Would you like?

• 2:23:22Speaker 04

  I still do. I still think this is a media narrative and maybe this is like.

• 2:23:25Speaker 02

  Well, now you're doing the media.

• 2:23:26Speaker 04

  Spitting the narrative, but like, it was a little odd. It was a little odd.

• 2:23:32Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 2:23:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I, I feel like Jalen Brown.

• 2:23:35Speaker 04

  It's preseason basketball, so who cares?

• 2:23:36Speaker 00

  Jalen Brown has a right to be upset.

• 2:23:39Speaker 04

  At Jason Tatum?

• 2:23:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:23:41Speaker 03

  Celtics also played all of their starters and the Sixers didn't play anyone.

• 2:23:44Speaker 04

  Again, it's preseason, Max, who cares?

• 2:23:46Speaker 03

  You're, you're the one who brought it up. I don't care.

• 2:23:50Speaker 04

  But I didn't even know that because I didn't care that much.

• 2:23:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:23:53Speaker 04

  I just saw the score.

• 2:23:54Speaker 00

  Also, Max.

• 2:23:55Speaker 04

  And we smoked you.

• 2:23:57Speaker 00

  You were ready, like right on the spot with being like, oh, we didn't play anybody. Max, Max, Max, he played. He's a starter. Yep.

• 2:24:04Speaker 04

  Definitely.

• 2:24:04Speaker 03

  LeBron did not play. Jalen Brown did not play.

• 2:24:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:24:07Speaker 04

  Get used to that.

• 2:24:10Speaker 03

  Historically known for not playing.

• 2:24:12Speaker 02

  Oh, it was the second game in a row.

• 2:24:15Speaker 03

  It's preseason.

• 2:24:17Speaker 02

  They played Thursday, so they were probably tired.

• 2:24:21Speaker 03

  Jalen Brown also watched a game from the locker room.

• 2:24:23Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:24:24Speaker 03

  I was waiting for you to say that.

• 2:24:25Speaker 02

  Why?

• 2:24:26Speaker 03

  Good question.

• 2:24:30Speaker 02

  Is there an answer?

• 2:24:32Speaker 04

  They might hate each other. I don't know. It's weird.

• 2:24:34Speaker 00

  LeBron James games played the last, uh, five years, 60 games played, 70, 71, 55, 56.

• 2:24:40Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 2:24:42Speaker 02

  Downward trend.

• 2:24:44Speaker 00

  That was reverse.

• 2:24:45Speaker 02

  Oh. Well, when you said it like that.

• 2:24:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:24:49Speaker 02

  Downward trend.

• 2:24:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, downward trend.

• 2:24:50Speaker 02

  Well, that, that's a lot of games in the last couple of years. He's probably.

• 2:24:53Speaker 00

  True.

• 2:24:53Speaker 02

  He's probably tired.

• 2:24:54Speaker 00

  Good point.

• 2:24:55Speaker 03

  That's a really good way to flip that narrative.

• 2:24:58Speaker 02

  Max, we can, we can say whatever we.

• 2:24:59Speaker 03

  I know. I fucking hate you guys.

• 2:25:00Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. They were pretty close to each other.

• 2:25:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. I don't think they like each other.

• 2:25:06Speaker 02

  They can't be in the same room.

• 2:25:07Speaker 03

  That's so awkward.

• 2:25:08Speaker 02

  Two dogs.

• 2:25:08Speaker 00

  So awkward.

• 2:25:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:10Speaker 03

  Jalen Brown went on stream and said it's like seeing your ex.

• 2:25:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean.

• 2:25:13Speaker 03

  Somebody you used to mess around with now. It's just kind of.

• 2:25:15Speaker 00

  Well, didn't he get, I mean, I know he was like not happy he got traded and, and didn't Jason Tatum just not say anything? That's kind of weird.

• 2:25:22Speaker 04

  No, he did.

• 2:25:23Speaker 00

  What? What?

• 2:25:24Speaker 04

  Instagram story.

• 2:25:25Speaker 00

  Oh, oh, okay. Saying what?

• 2:25:28Speaker 04

  That's my brother.

• 2:25:29Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:25:30Speaker 02

  They're not acting like brothers.

• 2:25:32Speaker 04

  I know. I don't know. Like you're, you're like, I'm, I am again, like.

• 2:25:36Speaker 00

  You're the la, you're the last to find out about.

• 2:25:38Speaker 04

  This is an existing situation. Like I am now.

• 2:25:41Speaker 02

  Near constant topic on part of my.

• 2:25:43Speaker 04

  Accepting, accepting.

• 2:25:45Speaker 00

  Thanks for listening to the show, dude.

• 2:25:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. I'm accepting that there might be something to this and you guys are come jumping down my throat. Like I don't, I'm not like, I can't defend what I've said in the past. I can only talk about what we're looking at in the present.

• 2:25:56Speaker 00

  You're literally doing Dumb and Dumber. We landed on the moon.

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  You know what? You know what, big cat? I'm going to say to Hank, thank you, Hank.

• 2:26:02Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 2:26:03Speaker 02

  Thank you for admitting, for saying like, hey, maybe I've been clouded in my judgment has been off because as a fan of the Celtics, I didn't want to see what you see, but now that you're looking at independently, you can say without a doubt, like, yeah, they don't like each other.

• 2:26:16Speaker 04

  And like, yeah, like.

• 2:26:17Speaker 02

  It takes a big man.

• 2:26:18Speaker 04

  I've only seen, uh, Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum coexist as superstars. Seeing the synergy between Paul George and Jason Tatum.

• 2:26:25Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 2:26:26Speaker 04

  Oh, my.

• 2:26:26Speaker 00

  Those guys love each other.

• 2:26:28Speaker 04

  The charts.

• 2:26:29Speaker 00

  But you didn't watch the game.

• 2:26:30Speaker 04

  Off the charts.

• 2:26:31Speaker 02

  Great friends.

• 2:26:32Speaker 04

  Off the charts. Uh, no, just the, just their highlights and it was.

• 2:26:35Speaker 02

  I'm excited to see what those guys can do.

• 2:26:37Speaker 04

  It, it looks special.

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:39Speaker 04

  And.

• 2:26:39Speaker 00

  Unlock PG?

• 2:26:40Speaker 04

  Special.

• 2:26:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:43Speaker 03

  Wow. Hank, do you watch some? You've only. Said nice things about PG.

• 2:26:48Speaker 04

  Again, I can't, I can't.

• 2:26:49Speaker 03

  You've only said nice.

• 2:26:50Speaker 04

  I can't defend what I've said in the past. I can only look at what is in front of me in the present and what I saw from this preseason game is.

• 2:26:58Speaker 03

  And you mean that.

• 2:27:00Speaker 00

  Paul George having like a resurgent season and then choking in the playoffs would be very funny.

• 2:27:06Speaker 02

  Hank, guys, or Max, guys aren't allowed to grow. It sounds like Hank is, is going through a period of growth as a human being.

• 2:27:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, let's let guys grow. Like someday memes is gonna get an adult chair.

• 2:27:17Speaker 03

  Those.

• 2:27:20Speaker 03

  It says it's an oversized giant chair.

• 2:27:22Speaker 00

  It's a teen chair.

• 2:27:22Speaker 02

  For adults and kids.

• 2:27:24Speaker 00

  It's a teen chair.

• 2:27:24Speaker 02

  It sounds like that chair is really trying to convince everyone it's a normal sized chair.

• 2:27:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:27:29Speaker 02

  It's an oversized giant chair.

• 2:27:32Speaker 00

  You gotta tweet out a picture of that chair and just see how many AWOs like, oh yeah, my 12 year old daughter has that chair.

• 2:27:39Speaker 00

  You put it in her room.

• 2:27:39Speaker 02

  It's all about the angle that if you look at it from the right angle, it looks massive.

• 2:27:43Speaker 00

  All right. So that's your who's back?

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:45Speaker 00

  All right. Good who's back.

• 2:27:46Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 2:27:47Speaker 02

  Really good who's back.

• 2:27:48Speaker 00

  Good show, Hank.

• 2:27:48Speaker 04

  Thank you. Thanks, guys.

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  Uh, my who's back of the week is the Sacramento Kings. Did you guys hear what their owner did at the start of the season?

• 2:27:58Speaker 00

  They did not.

• 2:27:59Speaker 02

  This is.

• 2:28:00Speaker 00

  Is this, uh, the, the A's guy?

• 2:28:03Speaker 02

  Vivek ran a dive.

• 2:28:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:28:06Speaker 02

  So he took the entire front office, the team, the whole team out to a dinner in training camp. And stood up, gave him a toast, tried to bust everybody's balls, but the speech ended up just being like a several minutes long roast of everybody that worked for him.

• 2:28:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:28:23Speaker 02

  On the team. And then he was done and everyone just stared at him like, well, that was really mean. He was trying to do it like, nobody believes me. So he was saying all the stuff, all the bad stuff that had been said about the Kings in the media over the course of the entire offseason. And how everyone was doing a bad job.

• 2:28:40Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 2:28:40Speaker 02

  But then there was no message of like togetherness.

• 2:28:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like, uh, to bring it back around, guys, this is why we're gonna be.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. He was just like, you suck, you suck. Where's Jim? Oh, he's Angela. Where are you? I didn't see you there behind that grain of rice. Like, there's no meaning behind the roast. He was just like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. Now go out there and use that to be better this year.

• 2:29:03Speaker 00

  That's very bizarre.

• 2:29:04Speaker 02

  But I have been watching some Ben Simmons clips.

• 2:29:07Speaker 00

  And?

• 2:29:08Speaker 02

  I think the jump shot might be back.

• 2:29:10Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:29:11Speaker 02

  Have you guys seen anything?

• 2:29:12Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:29:12Speaker 02

  You guys watch that preseason Benny?

• 2:29:16Speaker 00

  No, can't say I have.

• 2:29:18Speaker 04

  No, come on. Who cares about the preseason?

• 2:29:19Speaker 02

  Preseason Benny, I think the jump shot looks smooth. Dare I say maybe.

• 2:29:24Speaker 04

  Is he lefty or righty?

• 2:29:25Speaker 02

  Maybe fixed.

• 2:29:27Speaker 04

  From which side?

• 2:29:29Speaker 02

  I don't know, um, if it was a reverse video that I was seeing, but I, I think it was lefty. I think it was still lefty.

• 2:29:37Speaker 00

  All right. Good for him. Good job, Benny.

• 2:29:39Speaker 02

  Look at this. Just stroking it.

• 2:29:41Speaker 00

  All right. Uh, my who's back, I'm gonna move off of preseason basketball.

• 2:29:46Speaker 02

  We didn't even talk about the whiz.

• 2:29:47Speaker 00

  Oh, do you want to?

• 2:29:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:29:48Speaker 03

  SportsCenter led this highlight tape off with a free throw.

• 2:29:53Speaker 00

  Uh, MLB playoffs. So the Guardians complete the comeback Saturday night. Gavin Williams, uh, Jose Ramirez, who, Max, did you see that? Did you watch the highlight of that? Jose Ramirez homerun?

• 2:30:07Speaker 03

  Yes. I don't know how the.

• 2:30:08Speaker 00

  He hit it off of his fucking shoelace.

• 2:30:10Speaker 02

  It was like, what? Was that the lowest homerun?

• 2:30:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:30:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. His, his interview after the game was so good too.

• 2:30:17Speaker 02

  It was a golf swing.

• 2:30:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was nuts.

• 2:30:19Speaker 03

  They asked him what, what pitch he hit and he was like, ah, homerun pitch.

• 2:30:23Speaker 00

  It was crazy. So it was like, that was such a painful way for the White Sox to lose. And I know they had a great season. I, I do. As someone who roots for a Jerry Reinsdorf owned team in the Bulls, this is Jerry Reinsdorf's wet dream to have a team that he doesn't have to spend money on, be just competitive enough to, to give you hope that you could win the division, get some home playoff games, then next year be like, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna do it. Well, maybe I'm wrong. Ishbia is gonna be the owner soon enough.

• 2:30:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:54Speaker 00

  So maybe I'm wrong, but it wa, I mean, it was a, it was a season out of nowhere for the White Sox. So they should be proud of that. But the way they went out was, was, it was tough. They struck out so many times.

• 2:31:04Speaker 02

  Did you see the stat that it was, uh, 75 White Sox strikeouts over 45 innings?

• 2:31:09Speaker 00

  It was every, they were so lost.

• 2:31:11Speaker 02

  So that, to put that in perspective, that's the most strikeouts over any five consecutive nine inning games against any opponent in the modern era of Major League Baseball.

• 2:31:23Speaker 00

  It was crazy.

• 2:31:23Speaker 02

  Postseason or regular season. Like that was the most strikeouts that any team has ever struck out.

• 2:31:29Speaker 00

  It was crazy to watch it and Mooney was so bad. He was, he was so lost. He had a moment where his bases loaded and a chance to do something. And it was, yeah, it was painful. I feel bad for White Sox fans to have to watch that last three games where it's like, the season was so fun. You had won four playoff games in a row and then you just struck out literally every at bat.

• 2:31:52Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:31:53Speaker 00

  And ran out of gas. And Sean Burke did, I mean, Sean Burke pitched his balls off. Jose Ramirez hitting that homerun is just such a like, you can't do anything about that. It wasn't a bad pitch. It was just.

• 2:32:04Speaker 02

  It was like a Vlad, Vlad homerun.

• 2:32:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then the Dodgers Brewers series, which is gonna, I think, gonna be an incredible series, started already incredible. Scoobal versus Miz Brewers win 2-1. Uh, who hit the homerun? Tarang?

• 2:32:19Speaker 03

  Tarang.

• 2:32:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:32:20Speaker 03

  Uh, an insane homer swing. I think it's the only, it's the third time this year that someone has gone left on left to the opposite field. The other two were both Shohei.

• 2:32:31Speaker 00

  Jesus.

• 2:32:32Speaker 03

  And the, and it was against Scoobal. So.

• 2:32:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Awesome series. That series is gonna be awesome. So we'll, game two is Monday night. I think it's Yamamoto going, but they, and Brewers already better than last year's NLCS.

• 2:32:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I mean, they didn't get the best outing from Miz either.

• 2:32:51Speaker 00

  No, he, he, he.

• 2:32:52Speaker 02

  He threw a lot of pitches.

• 2:32:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. He only gave up one run, but yeah, he, he only lasted, I think, four and a third or so. Uh.

• 2:32:59Speaker 02

  There's some big double plays today.

• 2:33:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. Brewers, I mean, they just win, dude. They're fucking, they're good. I don't know what to say.

• 2:33:06Speaker 03

  There's one part of that stat that I left out. Left on left, a fastball in the inner third. So it's a tough pitch to hit either way.

• 2:33:14Speaker 00

  Very tough pitch. All right. Zach finishes off.

• 2:33:17Speaker 05

  My who's back of the week this week is the Robot Combat, Robot Combat Entertainment League.

• 2:33:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:33:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:33:23Speaker 05

  So earlier last month, they had the first fight, robot versus man in California. They've since received for that fight, a cease and desist from California's Athletic Commission. But it's not for fighting robots and humans. It's just due to the fight being unsanctioned. So now we may be moving forward with robot fights as long as we start getting things sanctioned.

• 2:33:44Speaker 02

  They have to have some sort of governing board.

• 2:33:46Speaker 05

  Yes. The, the board didn't say okay to the fight. So they're maybe all right with robots, but.

• 2:33:51Speaker 02

  I'm not in favor of robot, human combat. I think that that opens a lot of very strange doors and paths that we don't want to go down. However, if you're going to sanction it and you have to have a board, I feel like it needs to be equal parts represented by humans and robots on the board.

• 2:34:07Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:34:09Speaker 02

  Is that too much to ask for?

• 2:34:10Speaker 05

  Would that, would they need to be represented as, could they be represented as software? They have to be hardware robots.

• 2:34:16Speaker 02

  I, you know what? The software is, is obviously the backbone of it, but I, I would like to see a physical representation of the software. Maybe not a fully functional robot, but at least maybe just like a robot head that opens its mouth and maybe the eyes line up and it talks.

• 2:34:30Speaker 05

  Did you guys see any tape from the previous, the first fight?

• 2:34:33Speaker 00

  I can't say I did.

• 2:34:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:34:34Speaker 00

  It's kinda like the Ben Simmons highlights. Missed it.

• 2:34:37Speaker 05

  There's, there's definitely more going on in that fight than a Ben Simmons highlight reel in 2026.

• 2:34:41Speaker 00

  I know you guys jump shot back. I don't know if you heard that.

• 2:34:44Speaker 02

  It's sweet.

• 2:34:45Speaker 00

  You guys jump shot back. You got it. He hit a free throw.

• 2:34:47Speaker 03

  He hit a free throw.

• 2:34:48Speaker 02

  No, there is more than that. It was also like. It started, that's how a lot of great journeys do begin.

• 2:34:53Speaker 05

  But you could see it on his face. He was thinking about the boat the whole time.

• 2:34:56Speaker 02

  He was.

• 2:34:57Speaker 05

  You know, he wants to be out on the water.

• 2:34:58Speaker 02

  He does. He misses the, yeah, he misses fishing. Uh, can I see a clip of the robot fighting league?

• 2:35:06Speaker 02

  Cause this seems, it seems like one of those ideas that everyone agrees sounds terrible, but it sounds so bad that it will be good for ratings.

• 2:35:16Speaker 02

  Okay. I might be, I might be in.

• 2:35:18Speaker 03

  Is, is this real? What?

• 2:35:22Speaker 03

  Zach, I need you.

• 2:35:23Speaker 05

  That's not the clip.

• 2:35:23Speaker 03

  We should get one of those guys.

• 2:35:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:27Speaker 05

  That's robot on robot. Those are also terrifying.

• 2:35:29Speaker 02

  You guys remember BattleBots?

• 2:35:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:35:31Speaker 02

  BattleBots rock.

• 2:35:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:35:33Speaker 03

  Is it?

• 2:35:33Speaker 00

  I'm down to bring this back. Oh, shit. I kinda wanna get one just so that we could beat it up.

• 2:35:39Speaker 02

  That's what the first clip was.

• 2:35:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:35:40Speaker 03

  Philly does that.

• 2:35:41Speaker 00

  Hitchbot.

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:42Speaker 00

  People don't forget.

• 2:35:45Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 2:35:46Speaker 03

  I don't think this, Zach just keeps telling me this is not the, the real, the robot.

• 2:35:51Speaker 05

  I gotta hear one sec. Sorry.

• 2:35:52Speaker 00

  I was thinking about that the other day, like, like the robots that deliver food and stuff, like how like my kids are just gonna grow up and that's normal.

• 2:36:00Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:36:00Speaker 00

  It's like such a weird and where we're gonna end up with this shit.

• 2:36:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:04Speaker 00

  It's fucked up. I don't wanna think about it too hard.

• 2:36:07Speaker 02

  Dante has anything to say about it. We won't have those robots too long.

• 2:36:10Speaker 00

  Now they're just doing patty cake? All right. I, I'm out.

• 2:36:15Speaker 02

  I need to see the robot fighting league though. This is just.

• 2:36:17Speaker 00

  Also, it doesn't count as a real robot if it's attached to something. Like it's being controlled.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  This guy's just, yeah, he's just mirroring the one guy.

• 2:36:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:36:27Speaker 02

  But Zach, you made it sound like it was man versus machine.

• 2:36:29Speaker 05

  So it's a man versus, it's robot versus man. Fully man, fully bot.

• 2:36:34Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. I'm cool with this. This is actually pretty awesome.

• 2:36:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's see.

• 2:36:37Speaker 00

  All right. This guy is coming out. He's gonna beat up a robot. Can you just unplug it?

• 2:36:44Speaker 03

  Wait, this is the guy with the big ass. The red face looks scary.

• 2:36:48Speaker 00

  Really scary. Can't you just unplug it though, Zach?

• 2:36:51Speaker 05

  They look untethered.

• 2:36:52Speaker 00

  Or just, what about just throwing water at it?

• 2:36:55Speaker 03

  You see that guy's ass? Big ass.

• 2:36:57Speaker 05

  You saw a spinning elbow?

• 2:36:59Speaker 00

  Oh, it's the big ass guy.

• 2:37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a big ass guy.

• 2:37:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I know the big ass guy.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  You know what I would do? I would put magnets inside my gloves.

• 2:37:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:37:07Speaker 05

  What if he's car- what if he's carbon fiber?

• 2:37:10Speaker 02

  I haven't thought about that.

• 2:37:11Speaker 03

  Why, why are we making fighting robots?

• 2:37:13Speaker 00

  I, I don't like this.

• 2:37:15Speaker 05

  Dropped him.

• 2:37:15Speaker 03

  I like the little one.

• 2:37:16Speaker 05

  This is iRobot.

• 2:37:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't like this at all. We're just pissing off the robots and, and teaching them how to fight us.

• 2:37:21Speaker 02

  This is, uh.

• 2:37:22Speaker 05

  I saw the robot one.

• 2:37:24Speaker 02

  It's been a slippery slope.

• 2:37:25Speaker 05

  Robot one?

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  It started with, uh, the robot dogs. Everybody was like, oh, look how cute they are.

• 2:37:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, but members slipped on the banana and then we laughed.

• 2:37:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, slipped on banana. We're like, oh, this goofy little thing. It's so cute. And then they're like, okay, what about if we gave the robot dogs giant teeth?

• 2:37:37Speaker 03

  When I was in.

• 2:37:38Speaker 02

  Wait a second.

• 2:37:39Speaker 03

  When I was in Italy, I saw someone walking a robot dog in the wild.

• 2:37:44Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:37:44Speaker 03

  And then there was another person who had a real dog and the real dog did not like the robot dog.

• 2:37:49Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. They know.

• 2:37:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:53Speaker 00

  I was sick brag about you going to Italy, Max.

• 2:37:56Speaker 03

  What'd you say?

• 2:37:57Speaker 00

  Sick brag about you going to Italy.

• 2:37:59Speaker 03

  It was a topical story.

• 2:38:01Speaker 02

  I'm gonna do eight.

• 2:38:02Speaker 00

  Very topical.

• 2:38:04Speaker 02

  Oh, you didn't say the, you didn't say the numbers were.

• 2:38:06Speaker 00

  Numbers.

• 2:38:07Speaker 03

  Eight.

• 2:38:08Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm gonna do 15.

• 2:38:09Speaker 03

  I'm gonna do five.

• 2:38:11Speaker 00

  I'll do.

• 2:38:11Speaker 05

  Ten.

• 2:38:12Speaker 00

  Three.

• 2:38:21Speaker 00

  Are they coming in?

• 2:38:23Speaker 03

  Thirty, thirty-three for Stefan.

• 2:38:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, Stefan's at thirty-three. He's just.

• 2:38:25Speaker 00

  There you go, Stefan. Thank you for being on the phone, Stefan.

• 2:38:28Speaker 02

  Four.

• 2:38:29Speaker 00

  Sixty-nine.

• 2:38:31Speaker 02

  Fifteen.

• 2:38:33Speaker 00

  Jacob Gators.

• 2:38:34Speaker 02

  Jacob, I said fifteen.

• 2:38:35Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:38:38Speaker 03

  You already said fifteen. Yeah.

• 2:38:47Speaker 03

  Seventeen.

• 2:38:48Speaker 00

  Seventeen.

• 2:38:49Speaker 03

  Seventeen.

• 2:38:50Speaker 02

  Dang.

• 2:38:53Speaker 00

  Gonna spread my wings.

• 2:38:55Speaker 03

  They did say gators. They said they fucking stink.

• 2:38:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I said gators two times down.

• 2:39:02Speaker 03

  Thanks, Stefan.

• 2:39:04Speaker 00

  What'd he say?

• 2:39:05Speaker 02

  He said, good show, boys.

• 2:39:06Speaker 00

  Thank you, Stefan. Tell Stefan, tell Stefan thank you for us.

• 2:39:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, that says thank you.

• 2:39:10Speaker 00

  Tell him, hug up.

• 2:39:12Speaker 03

  Hug up.

• 2:39:13Speaker 02

  Hug up.

• 2:39:23Speaker 00

  Three.

• 2:39:27Speaker 03

  Dude, your team hates Mike Dicker.

• 2:39:29Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 2:39:31Speaker 03

  Your team hates.

• 2:39:34Speaker 00

  Memes. That's your number.

• 2:39:36Speaker 03

  I was gonna take it.

• 2:39:37Speaker 00

  And I got it, but then you stole PFTs.

• 2:39:40Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 2:39:41Speaker 00

  Three. How many is that for me? Oh, I think that's my third. I've won it three times.

• 2:39:48Speaker 00

  Memes. Are you, have you gotten this memes?

• 2:39:50Speaker 03

  I have one time.

• 2:39:51Speaker 00

  No, you haven't.

• 2:39:52Speaker 02

  Wait, memes, you always take three?

• 2:39:53Speaker 00

  He always takes three.

• 2:39:55Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:39:56Speaker 00

  And then he took eight.

• 2:39:57Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:39:57Speaker 00

  And then I took three and I won with three and it's the third time I've done it.

• 2:40:03Speaker 00

  Memes.

• 2:40:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:40:05Speaker 00

  RIP Mike Dicker.

• 2:40:07Speaker 03

  Your team hates Mike Dicker.

• 2:40:08Speaker 00

  All-time football guy.

• 2:40:09Speaker 03

  No team ever proved they hated Mike Dicker more than.

• 2:40:12Speaker 00

  Now you're just saying mean things. Now you're just getting mean.

• 2:40:15Speaker 03

  It's like, hey, how can we honor our Bears legend? Let's lose to our rival.

• 2:40:19Speaker 02

  Okay, memes.

• 2:40:20Speaker 00

  Tyson Bajer.

• 2:40:21Speaker 02

  Memes are very angry.

• 2:40:22Speaker 00

  Memes.

• 2:40:23Speaker 02

  You're just upset that you're gonna lose your cuck chair.

• 2:40:25Speaker 00

  We.

• 2:40:26Speaker 02

  Which is actually the most cuck thing that you can do. You should actually love it.

• 2:40:30Speaker 00

  All-time football guy.

• 2:40:31Speaker 03

  He is an all-time football guy.

• 2:40:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:40:34Speaker 02

  Happy birthday to Leon Lett and Hugh Jackman. Also Tuesday, happy birthday Jerry Rice, Brian Hoyer, Brian Dawkins, Doc Rivers, Paul Pierce, Jermaine O'Neal. Happy birthday to Jerry Jones, Nancy Kerrigan, and happy birthday to Trevor Hoffman.

• 2:40:51Speaker 03

  Bullshit.

• 2:40:52Speaker 02

  Love you guys.

• 2:40:53Speaker 00

  Memes. Memes. Let's hug it out after this, okay? Yeah, I'm gonna hug it out.

• 2:40:58Speaker 03

  We're hugging.

• 2:40:58Speaker 00

  I'm, me winning. You congratulating me.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  Also, I forgot to wish Oldy happy birthday last week, but I texted him privately.

• 2:41:06Speaker 00

  What about Eddie?

• 2:41:07Speaker 02

  Last Monday. Did I say Eddie?

• 2:41:09Speaker 00

  I don't know if you said Eddie. His birthday was Saturday.

• 2:41:11Speaker 02

  His birthday was Saturday. I don't know if I said Eddie or not.

• 2:41:14Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 2:41:16Speaker 02

  But I te- I did text Oldy on his birthday. I just didn't say it on the show.

• 2:41:19Speaker 03

  Shef Donnie.

• 2:41:20Speaker 00

  Shef Donnie.

• 2:41:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I said, I said happy birthday, Shef Donnie.

• 2:41:24Speaker 02

  I don't think I did say Eddie.

• 2:41:25Speaker 00

  Damn. He takes his birthday really seriously.

• 2:41:28Speaker 02

  I know he loves his birthday.

• 2:41:29Speaker 00

  He loves his birthday.

• 2:41:30Speaker 03

  And he loves you.

• 2:41:31Speaker 02

  I love Shef- I, I love, I love Shef Donnie and Eddie.

• 2:41:36Speaker 02

  You know what? I didn't say it. I didn't say it, but somebody started Eddie.

• 2:41:41Speaker 03

  Did you say Shef Donnie? Sometimes people forget.

• 2:41:44Speaker 02

  Definitely said Shef Donnie.

• 2:41:45Speaker 03

  I don't remember.

• 2:41:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I, I said that I accused him of cheating at golf.

• 2:41:50Speaker 02

  Love you guys.

• 2:42:16Speaker 02

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