Peter Schrager Talking NFL, Giants Running Back Cam Skattebo, NFL Season Long Picks + Super Bowl Winners

Football is back and we’re pumped for the first night of the 2026 NFL season (00:00:00-00:14:54). We all make our division winners, wild card and Super Bowl picks. Plus MVP, LVP and Least improved players (00:14:54-00:42:15). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including umps going rouge and a Hail Mary appeal by WMU (00:42:15-01:01:42). Peter Schrager joins the show to talk about the 2026 NFL season, Super Bowl picks and what teams he’s high on (01:01:42-01:48:01). Giants RB Cam Skattebo joins the show to talk about his career, injury and rehab, running through people and more (01:48:01-02:14:03). We then finish with listener submitted Pardon Your Takes You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take https://barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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  On today's Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings, we've got a twofer to kick off the NFL season. We've got our good friend Peter Schrager on. He gives us his Super Bowl pick, which he's been right about, I think, like four out of the last five years. He's nailed. We also have Giants running back Cam Scatabo on the show. We're going to do our Super Bowl picks, including MVP and LVP and division winners. It is football time. Football is all the way back this season. The NFL 2026 season kicks off tonight as you're listening to this. Let's go. Hank, are you ready?

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  Welcome to Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, September 9th. And Hank?

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, football is back.

• 3:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  You're goddamn right it's back.

• 3:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  We said it. We said it a million times. This is the first time you're saying it.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. It's so bad.

• 3:18Speaker 00

  How nervous are you?

• 3:20Speaker 02

  I'm excited. I'm excited.

• 3:21Speaker 00

  Banner night for the Seahawks.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Banner night for the Seahawks, but it's the start of the championship DVD for the Patriots. We locked up Christian Gonzalez. It's exciting time. You guys, you know how it is, Dan, having kids and like the summer's nice, but it's like they can be a lot. It's nice. It's nice, nice, nice to have fallback. Kids are, kids are gone. Work's a great distraction.

• 3:41Speaker 00

  Oh, you're done golfing?

• 3:44Speaker 02

  During the week, yeah.

• 3:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  Wait, what is a weekday? We need to go back and have that conversation again.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  Monday, yeah. Monday through Friday.

• 3:51Speaker 00

  So how are you feeling about this game?

• 3:55Speaker 02

  I'm nervous for this game. Like I definitely could see a world where the Patriots lose, but I think it just depends, you know, it depends what we put out on the field.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, the way that Drake May-

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Like we, we played so bad in the Super Bowl. As long as we played better than we did in the Super Bowl, I can still walk away from this game looking at it as a victory.

• 4:12Speaker 00

  What if you play worse?

• 4:14Speaker 02

  That would be troublesome.

• 4:15Speaker 00

  Right now, the Seahawks are minus three over/under 44 and a half.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Drake May's fourth quarter against the Seahawks was the best fourth quarter of all time. Maybe even the best quarter of any time by any quarterback in Super Bowl history.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  Did you miss this?

• 4:26Speaker 03

  With the amount of garbage time yards.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  So like, he's on the right track.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. We have momentum.

• 4:32Speaker 00

  He's right at a time.

• 4:33Speaker 03

  We got, we got a Drake May lover in house, but like I might be Drake May stalker.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  I'm more obsessed.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  More the merrier.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Hop on board.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  Drake May tracker.

• 4:41Speaker 00

  I do.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  I am tracking Drake May this year, by the way. I don't know if you're familiar with this stat, Hank, but-

• 4:47Speaker 02

  They haven't played a game. They haven't played a game.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  No, it's an interesting, like, we gotta have-

• 4:50Speaker 00

  Oh, football's back.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  We gotta have numbers that matter, numbers to keep our eyes on going into the season. I think it's an interesting thing that Patriots now have the biggest swing from the, one of the least amount of travel last year to one of the highest number of miles traveled over the course of the season. So they went from, they were a bottom six team. I believe they were number 26 in the NFL last year. They only traveled 12,547 miles. Now this year, they're traveling 27,590 miles. So they jumped to a top five travel schedule from a bottom five.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have a much harder schedule this year.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Was your schedule bad last year?

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean, just based off the teams that we played, they weren't, they didn't have the best records, but this year it's a harder schedule. When you go to the Super Bowl, that's what happens.

• 5:32Speaker 00

  Yep. Super Bowl losers are six and 20 against the spread, week one.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I don't think, I don't have the highest hopes that the Patriots are gonna win this game.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  If it gets to three and a half, though, it feels like, because doesn't it feel like the Seahawks are so obvious in the fact we just, you know, the last NFL game we watched, they dismantled the Patriots. Like everyone's gonna say, oh, we gotta bet the Seahawks. They're gonna do it again. It's like, it's a different season.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  It's different season, different players. Their hands might be tired from lugging around those giant ass rings that they got.

• 6:06Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't know what to expect because last year, the Patriots, they, they took such a giant step from the year before. It's like, how much better can they get? Can they improve? Are they gonna regress? We don't know.

• 6:18Speaker 00

  Is this a Will Campbell revenge game?

• 6:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 6:22Speaker 00

  Oh, I think it is.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  I think Will Campbell's, he just, just, just makes some decent plays. I don't know how, I'm not super high on Will Campbell.

• 6:32Speaker 00

  That doesn't sound common.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 6:34Speaker 00

  That's all in your boy. What's the, what's the reports from camp? Are his arms longer?

• 6:38Speaker 02

  His arms are not longer. Reports were fine, but I don't, I, it's, it's still, it's year two. We gotta, you know, we just gotta see some balls go through the hoop. I don't think he's on a revenge tour yet.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  What does that mean when it comes to a, an offensive lineman? What's a ball through the hoop?

• 6:54Speaker 02

  A block.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  One block.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 00

  Okay, a block.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  Some good blocks.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  Is Travion Henderson gonna play?

• 6:59Speaker 02

  No, no. Highly doubtful.

• 7:01Speaker 00

  Disaster for a fantasy team.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  But we get, it's, it's-

• 7:04Speaker 00

  We don't have, we don't have the ability to-

• 7:06Speaker 02

  We're playing on Wednesday and then we get a full week and a half off. So I think that's good for, you know, the coming weeks. I highly, I, I would say no. My report is no.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  I do not like that the NFL season's kicking off on a Wednesday.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  It's weird.

• 7:19Speaker 00

  It feels, I also forgot-

• 7:20Speaker 02

  I also thought the Australia game was Wednesday until last week. I think I said it on the show, but that, that has thrown me off.

• 7:25Speaker 00

  I also memory hold the fact that I just completely forgot that the NFL added a Wednesday night game for Thanksgiving week. That sucks.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:34Speaker 00

  I don't like that.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  Blackout Wednesday game.

• 7:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. They, they're going Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. It's like, when, when are we gonna?

• 7:41Speaker 03

  Like hang out with our families?

• 7:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, or like, you know, maybe watch some Feast Week.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Oh, you're thinking college basketball?

• 7:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's your favorite week of the year.

• 7:48Speaker 00

  It is.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  Well, now it's even better.

• 7:50Speaker 00

  One of my five favorite weeks of the year.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Now it's even better with more football.

• 7:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 03

  Have you heard the, the derogatory slur being tossed around about NFL fans?

• 7:58Speaker 00

  No.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  Shieldies.

• 8:00Speaker 00

  Oh, I'm a shieldie.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Well, no, I don't think you'd agree. A lot of college, it's mainly used by college football fans.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  Oh, we're getting that debate going.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  To talk shit about NFL fans that only, you know, they parachute in and they see players that the, the real diehard college fans have been watching.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  Oh, I'm not a shield. So you're talking about, is that Jersey Jerry?

• 8:20Speaker 03

  Jersey Jerry is the ultimate shield.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  I'm a shieldie. College football's a joke.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  College football's awesome.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  It's semi-pro. It's, it's not, it's not, it's not the college football that we grew up loving.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  I do agree that one of my favorite things is when a player gets to the NFL-

• 8:35Speaker 00

  You have said that you didn't love college football growing up.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  And they're not good in college football, and then they're all of a sudden really good in the NFL. Like, like Bo Nix was a classic example. Every college football guy was like, you don't want to root for Bo Nix in the NFL. It's like, he looks pretty good in an NFL uniform.

• 8:50Speaker 00

  Uh, Bo Nix was good at Oregon. Is Auburn Bo Nix that, if Auburn Bo Nix got drafted, I would have been like, no, don't do that. But we, yes, wait, Hank, you didn't like college football ever in your life?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 9:03Speaker 00

  So to say that you are sad that it's not the same game that you loved, that you never loved.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  It was the rhetorical we.

• 9:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 9:12Speaker 03

  As a nation?

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:14Speaker 03

  You think it's bad for us?

• 9:16Speaker 02

  No, I think it's fine. I think NFL is far superior.

• 9:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  I think you can love both. I think there's, there's plenty of room. Um, if it's got a football, I'm gonna watch it.

• 9:26Speaker 00

  It's, it's crazy going, uh, switching back and forth between like, we just did college football, week one and like every game was, you know, minus 42, minus 51. And then you see this and you're like, if it's three and a hook, that might be too much.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  They pay these guys to play football too.

• 9:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. God damn, that, that could be too much, too, too, too many points. Three and a hook. All right. So, uh, we're going to be streaming this.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  What do you want to do for hamburgers?

• 9:55Speaker 03

  No.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Clam chowder?

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's do some clam chowder. Let's do, uh,

• 10:00Speaker 00

  Get the boys.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  Let's get some fish.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  Belly full of clam chowder.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Let's get some, let's get some fish on ice.

• 10:05Speaker 00

  You get to decide the menu.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  Toss some fish around? Pike Place Market?

• 10:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's do some fish on ice for, for the commercial breaks.

• 10:11Speaker 00

  I do think there's a weird.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  Like every commercial break in Seattle, they just go to that market. It's just, you know, big fish on ice.

• 10:17Speaker 00

  I, I do think that weirdly the Seahawks are being like disrespected a little bit in the fact that all the talk is about the Rams and the Seahawks did just win a Superbowl in a very convincing fashion. I, we're going to do all of our picks in a second, but I, I think the Seahawks are going to be really fucking good again.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:33Speaker 00

  Like what, what makes, what, what would say, I guess the, the Seahawks haters out there could be like, ah, Sam Darnold did it, but he, can he do it again?

• 10:42Speaker 03

  I think the Seahawks haters would say, um, they got lucky.

• 10:47Speaker 00

  I don't, yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  To get home field advantage throughout the playoffs. That's probably what they'd say.

• 10:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  And it's not untrue, but you have to get lucky. Like it's a big part of football. It's just if, if the harder you work, the luckier you tend to get.

• 10:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. Banner night.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Banner night.

• 11:02Speaker 00

  It's gonna be loud.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  Loud, real loud.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:05Speaker 00

  Are you ready for that? Have you been simulating that?

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, it'll be loud in the cave too. I'm excited.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  You ready for all the 12s?

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Lot of 12s, lot of, uh, noise meters.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  Hopefully not a lot of highlights of the, uh, the Superbowl. I don't know how.

• 11:18Speaker 00

  Oh, there will be some highlights of the Superbowl.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  Rights works. Maybe, maybe a limited amount.

• 11:22Speaker 00

  There'll be a lot of.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Bad Bunny, Bad Bunny.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  That'd be awesome.

• 11:25Speaker 00

  There'd be a lot. And then, I mean, Thursday night, we'll, we'll record after Thursday night football. So you'll hear it on Friday's show. Uh, does anyone have a pick for that game? I mean, I think we're just have to go with the 49ers because they've been there forever.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 00

  Like I, I don't know what else to say.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  It's a travel bet for me.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  It's just, you have to, it's auto travel.

• 11:43Speaker 03

  It's a travel bet. They've been there so long. Yeah. They are speaking Australian. They've got the accents. Um, and then the Rams just coming in. There's no way that this works in terms of the body clock.

• 11:53Speaker 00

  No.

• 11:54Speaker 03

  If it does, it's going to revolutionize bachelor parties.

• 11:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  Aaron Donald also not playing in that game.

• 11:59Speaker 00

  Oh, officially?

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Officially.

• 12:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  I didn't think that he would. I mean, that'd be crazy to, you have, you've been out of football for over two years and then you just get on a plane, fly to Australia and.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Did he even fly with the team?

• 12:10Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 12:11Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  I'd be pissed.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  By the way, I was thinking about it. I think that, uh, if Goodell really wants to do.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  That was probably part of why he came back.

• 12:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  He'll come back late and no, not go to Australia.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  Like I'll come back if I don't have to go to Australia.

• 12:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, I think Roger Goodell, if he really wants to do this global expansion of football, he should have to go to every game and fly coach.

• 12:36Speaker 00

  Like that's only fair.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:38Speaker 00

  You, you're making these guys go through hell traveling.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  But they're not flying coach.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  No, I know. The fans are.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  To get there.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  Like he, the fan, yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, most fans I think do fly coach.

• 12:49Speaker 00

  Didn't know you had it like that, man.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  No, I'm saying, I thought there were more local fans that are going to be.

• 12:53Speaker 00

  No, fans travel from America to these international games. They probably fly business class or coach, whatever.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  They collect the pins. Yeah. I want to guys.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  What's the difference?

• 13:01Speaker 04

  Actually I did fly, that was so stupid of me.

• 13:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, no doubt.

• 13:05Speaker 04

  I went to, I went to an Eagles.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  Max is back.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  And I did fly coach.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  You fly coach. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't there a report that like the Giants coaches weren't even flying coach at one point? Uh, they were flying coach. I think the assistant coaches were flying coach.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  What's, what's, what's the difference between coach and business class?

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Uh, business, you got a suitcase.

• 13:24Speaker 00

  Is there a difference or is that?

• 13:26Speaker 04

  No, business class is closer to first class.

• 13:29Speaker 00

  But that's still coach.

• 13:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  No, business is first.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  I don't even, they don't even call it coach anymore. It's like economy, economy plus, business, first class. But a lot of times business class is first class, depending on the plane.

• 13:41Speaker 00

  I think it might be all legroom until you get to first class.

• 13:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. First and business.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  No, business class you get.

• 13:47Speaker 00

  Business class is first?

• 13:48Speaker 04

  You get, you get, you get good ass seats.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Business.

• 13:51Speaker 04

  Depending on the plane.

• 13:52Speaker 03

  Coach is now economy.

• 13:54Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's no, I don't think, I haven't, I don't think coach is a thing.

• 13:57Speaker 00

  Why'd they call it?

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Probably a stage coach. Like probably a train car would be my guess. I want guys to fly coach's son.

• 14:03Speaker 00

  Coach on an airplane.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  I also think each airline calls it different.

• 14:11Speaker 00

  Oh, the, comes from the old practice of borrowing words and seating names from earlier forms of passenger transport, specifically trains and stage coaches. There it is. Coach. Yeah. Like, uh, you know, that's where he should fly. Roger Goodell should have to do that with a layup.

• 14:28Speaker 03

  I would agree. Yeah. You should have to, he should have to ruin his entire week.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  Right.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  He should have to attend business meetings like on Zoom over there back on, on New York time.

• 14:35Speaker 00

  Cause he's not going to all these international games. You, you put these games on, you have to go, Goodell.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 00

  You have to show up.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  You think these guys have passport day?

• 14:44Speaker 00

  Definitely.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Remember passport day?

• 14:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Big topic of conversation, a part of my take in 2016.

• 14:49Speaker 00

  You got.

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Huge.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  Passport day. Yeah. They definitely have passport day.

• 14:52Speaker 03

  Aaron Donald probably showed up for passport day and now he's pissed that he doesn't get to go to Australia.

• 14:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. TSA pre-check.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  I did like, uh, one thing that Devante Adams said. Yeah. They asked Devante what he was doing to get ready for, uh, going down to Australia for the games. And he said that he's just been researching what's typical for Americans to know, the stuff that's going to kill you. The spiders and how dangerous all the water is there. So he said the most venomous octopus in the world is found there. Great whites on the south, saltwater crocs in the north, koalas and stuff a little bit inland. So Devante Adams is just preparing for, what is it? The blue ring octopus, I believe.

• 15:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 15:26Speaker 03

  Um, so that they're, they're getting ready. They're not going to spend long enough there, I think, to get attacked by anything. Um, but they, they certainly are ready about their trip.

• 15:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're very ready. All right. Um, should we do our picks for the season? So we're going to do our preview. Everyone's gonna, we'll make a graphic of it. Um, and then we have Peter Schreger and Cam Scataboo coming up. Before we do our picks, uh, DraftKings, the wait is over. Football is here and so is DraftKings. DraftKings sports app is now live in all 50 states. That means from Texas to California to Florida. Every fan is in on the excitement and this September DraftKings is giving customers the opportunity to get boosted every football game day. That's right. Every game day, all month long. DraftKings customers can get a football profit boost. One app, every sport, all 50 states. New DraftKings customers sign up with code TAKE, spend just five bucks.

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  Okay.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  I am ready. AFC. Uh, I don't care if I'm right about this one, but it would be nice. Jets, AFC East winners.

• 17:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  I just, I don't want to pick anybody else.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:51Speaker 04

  Jaguars out of the south. I got the Broncos out of the west. And then Bengals win in the north.

• 17:58Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  And, uh, the, uh, wild cards.

• 18:02Speaker 04

  Bills, Ravens, Texans.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  Okay. So no Chiefs, no Patriots, no Chargers.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  No, I don't think the Chiefs are going to be very good this year.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Is it? It's a, like, I was looking at the AFC in preparation for this. It's tough. The AFC is tough. Like I did a first ru- run through and then I was like, wait, I forgot like three teams.

• 18:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. They just said that, um, Mahomes is going to be playing week one.

• 18:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  So he's good to go. Maybe not full go, but he is going to be the starting quarterback for the Chiefs.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. And then NFC?

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Seahawks win in the west.

• 18:34Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  Saints win in the south. Eagles win in the east. Vikings win in the north.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 18:41Speaker 04

  Switch up.

• 18:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  Wildcard Rams, Lions, Bears.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  Okay. So who do we leave out? We left out the 49ers, the Cowboys.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Packers.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  The Packers. Okay. Interesting. Now give us your Superbowl champion, uh, Superbowl matchup and champion.

• 19:00Speaker 04

  Superbowl matchup Bengals versus Rams rematch.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  In LA?

• 19:04Speaker 04

  In LA. Bengals come out on top.

• 19:06Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  That'd be fun.

• 19:08Speaker 00

  That would be fun.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  Joe Burrow MVP.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  I also have Will Anderson MVP, but that's just.

• 19:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  Both. Co-MVPs, it's happened before.

• 19:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:19Speaker 04

  And then least improved Drake May.

• 19:21Speaker 00

  Least improved Drake. Well, that is.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  Wait, is it least improves?

• 19:25Speaker 03

  We're doing both, I think.

• 19:27Speaker 04

  Least improved or LVP?

• 19:29Speaker 03

  Least improved and.

• 19:30Speaker 00

  And least valuable player.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  Oh, least, uh.

• 19:33Speaker 00

  Least valuable. So we need the least improved is Drake May and then we need a least valuable player.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  They're two very different awards.

• 19:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, cuz what you're saying is Drake May was so good last year that he's not gonna prove.

• 19:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, cuz it's either MVP or.

• 19:48Speaker 00

  Right.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Well, he didn't win MVP.

• 19:52Speaker 06

  Right, so his improvement would be MVP.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  The only step up to be MVP, and if not, it's a regression.

• 19:59Speaker 00

  Least valuable player memes.

• 20:03Speaker 06

  Kirk Cousins.

• 20:03Speaker 00

  Oh, damn.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  Interesting pick.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Kirkco. Okay, Max?

• 20:10Speaker 06

  Okay, I had to switch up my, okay, ready?

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're ready.

• 20:16Speaker 06

  Bills, Ravens, Jags, Chiefs.

• 20:21Speaker 00

  Okay, Chiefs.

• 20:22Speaker 06

  Chiefs. Chiefs are gonna come back, everyone's down, the Chiefs, Chiefs are gonna come back. Then Chargers, Texans, Broncos.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 20:32Speaker 06

  No Patriots.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  No Patriots, no Bengals.

• 20:35Speaker 06

  No Bengals. We play this game with the Bengals every year, someone's gonna get hurt, and they're, no Bengals.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  Okay, no Bengals.

• 20:43Speaker 06

  No Bengals.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  No Bengals. That's good analysis, I mean, we, oh, we'll go back to memes, Jets thoughts, but go.

• 20:51Speaker 06

  Can I change mine to Tua, the last one, instead of Kirk?

• 20:54Speaker 00

  Nope, no, fingers off the piece, no.

• 20:57Speaker 06

  All right, ready?

• 20:58Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 20:59Speaker 06

  Lions, Saints, Rams, Cowboys.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  Okay, you're taking the Cowboys to win the NFC East?

• 21:09Speaker 06

  Then Eagles, Seahawks, Bears.

• 21:13Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 21:16Speaker 06

  So, am I doing Super Bowl or no?

• 21:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, Super Bowl.

• 21:18Speaker 06

  Eagles still win the Super Bowl over the Chargers, but just out of the wild card, but the Chargers.

• 21:23Speaker 00

  Eagles, Chargers, Super Bowl.

• 21:24Speaker 06

  Chargers are gonna get healthy throughout the year, I don't even know if that's, if they're coming back or not.

• 21:29Speaker 00

  Well, no, not a home game, cuz they, it's the Rams.

• 21:31Speaker 06

  That's, yeah, that's more of an Eagles home game than a Chargers.

• 21:34Speaker 00

  Well, not only that, but it's the Rams stadium, they're just, they're just, it's a, it's a apartment game for them, a sublease game for them.

• 21:43Speaker 06

  Right.

• 21:45Speaker 06

  Um, then I have Jalen Hurts MVP, Kyler Murray LVP.

• 21:50Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 21:51Speaker 06

  Hmm. Uh, Jordan Love least, uh, least improved.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  At least improved, okay, I like it, all right, and then Eagles, so Eagles, like, we, we missed this with memes, give us your Jets take, what you think the Jets are gonna do, what's success, blah, blah, blah.

• 22:09Speaker 06

  Uh, I think the Jets are gonna be better than people think, they're plus 20,000 to win the Super Bowl, so there's no expectations from them, I think they actually have a decent to good roster, so I think they're gonna be better than people think.

• 22:22Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, Eagles?

• 22:25Speaker 06

  Uh, I think the Eagles are gonna be good, it's really hard to win the NFC East two years in a row, it's, I assume it's gonna be even harder to win it three years in a row, it, this feels like a year that we get back to the wild card, but it also feels like a year that we win the Super Bowl.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Maybe both, yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, so that's, that's basically my thought process there, I think it may take, it's a brand new offense, it may take a little while for, for everything to click, may lose a couple of games early, but by the end of the year, everything's gonna be humming.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 22:53Speaker 06

  But I hope we still win this weekend against PFT.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, mu, not a must win. Uh, must win for PFT?

• 23:01Speaker 06

  No, must win for like this show.

• 23:04Speaker 00

  But must win for PFT maybe?

• 23:06Speaker 06

  If I didn't know PFT, I wouldn't say it was, I wouldn't say it was a must win, but for my anger coming into the podcast on Sunday, it's a must win.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  You needed to, you can't start week one on 10.

• 23:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, I needed, the fact that I, that we're starting.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Thing is, Max, the, the fact that Max is saying like it wouldn't be a must win if it wasn't for PFT, like, that's bulletin board, I'm adding that to the bulletin board list right now.

• 23:33Speaker 06

  What side of the bulletin, I feel like that's, that's like a compliment to you.

• 23:36Speaker 00

  Front side or back side?

• 23:37Speaker 03

  No, it's the front side of the bulletin board, I think, and it, it goes, it goes back to, and I'm living in reality, like, the last 15 years, 20, 25 years in the NFC East, if you were asking Eagles fan, like, which teams do you hate the most, it's probably the Cowboys, and, and the Redskins football team commanders are a way afterthought.

• 23:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  But I'm still using that, that's bulletin board, we gotta get back to that spot.

• 23:59Speaker 06

  I feel like that's kind of showing respect to the commanders.

• 24:02Speaker 00

  It is a little bit of respect to you.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  I don't think respect is, like, I wanna get back to the place where, like, where other teams hate us, and it looked like, you know, that might have been a possibility.

• 24:10Speaker 06

  No, well, I hate you, like.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  I hate you too. Respectfully, I hate you.

• 24:14Speaker 06

  When it comes to the cave, I hate you, and I hate losing to you, so yes.

• 24:19Speaker 00

  Same, okay, Zach, you're up.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  All right, I've got Chiefs, Jets, Texans, Bengals.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  Wait, Chiefs, Jets, Texans, Bengals, okay?

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Then I've got Cowboys, Lions, Rams, Bucks.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  No, no, Cowboys. No, no, you gotta finish the AFC.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Oh, well, okay, yeah, wild card's here, I had it in a different row, sorry about that, so, we're gonna do wild card, I'm gonna go Steelers, Bills, Ravens.

• 24:50Speaker 00

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, give us the AFC one more time.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Okay, Jets, Chiefs, Texans, Bengals.

• 24:57Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Steelers, Bills, Ravens.

• 25:01Speaker 00

  So we've got no Chargers, no Broncos, no Patriots, okay?

• 25:08Speaker 02

  This is true.

• 25:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  No Jags.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  No, uh, no Jags?

• 25:13Speaker 02

  All are true.

• 25:14Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  It's preview.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  NFC, we've got Cowboys, Lions, Rams, Bucks, wild card, we're gonna go.

• 25:21Speaker 00

  Cowboys, Lions, Rams, Bucks, okay?

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Wild card, we're gonna go Eagles, Vikings, Saints.

• 25:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Super Bowl winner, we're gonna go with the Bengals, they're gonna play against the Lions.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  That would be a hell of a Super Bowl.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  It would be.

• 25:39Speaker 00

  And?

• 25:40Speaker 02

  I do have Joe Burrow as MVP.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  Wait, who's winning the Super Bowl?

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Oh, that's gonna be the Bengals.

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Okay, so we have two Bengals Super Bowls, huh? Damn.

• 25:50Speaker 06

  And the one not making the playoffs.

• 25:51Speaker 00

  And one, no Bengals, no Bengals.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  No Bengals, never, it's never the Bengals.

• 25:55Speaker 00

  You guys didn't team up on this cuz you guys are both have Bengal Super Bowl and Jets to win the AFC East?

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Yes, surprisingly, no team up here.

• 26:03Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  But some similarities, least improved, I'm gonna go with Bryce Young, least valuable player, I'm gonna go with Travis Kelsey.

• 26:13Speaker 00

  Hmm, all right, I, I love that, uh, least improved, like Bryce, it's probably the ceiling. Yeah, he's done it.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  Very much could so be.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Bump in his head, he gets a tiny little, cute little ceiling.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  The top he's got.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  Okay, good picks, Zach, Hank?

• 26:29Speaker 02

  AFC East Patriots, AFC North Steelers, AFC South Jaguars, AFC West Chiefs, then I have the Bengals, Bills, and Broncos in the wild card.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  Not buying the Texans.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  Triple B, not buying the Texans.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  And you got the Steelers winning that division.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mike, we talked about it, the, I'm a, I'm a big believer in, in, you know.

• 26:51Speaker 00

  Rekindled love.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Rekindled love and, and guys that had it, having it again.

• 26:56Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm, throw, throwbacks.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Great defense. Uh, and then in the NFC, I have the Bears out of the North, the Falcons out of the South, the Cowboys out of the East, Rams out of the West, and then I have the Seahawks, Eagles, and Lions in the wild card.

• 27:19Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Super Bowl, three-peat, Patriots versus Rams, Patriots win again.

• 27:28Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  I think the Patriots, for the Patriots, I think by, you know, week 12, week 13, much to the chagrin of, of the world, and especially this podcast, the Patriots will just, people will just have accepted that, that wasn't, last year wasn't a fluke, the Patriots are once again a powerhouse, and they're, people are just gonna have to deal with it for the next 20 years.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  It'd be a nightmare, honestly, that'd be a nightmare.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  It'd also be good for the show.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  But also a nightmare, nightmare.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Uh, so I have Drake May as MVP.

• 27:57Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  Justin Herbert LVP.

• 28:00Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  And Sam Darnold as least improved.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  It's cuz he didn't win the Super Bowl.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  I think, I don't hate that, like, least improved Sam Darnold, that, I'm sure he'd be fine with that.

• 28:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, if he stays exactly the same?

• 28:13Speaker 03

  That'd be wonderful, yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Never strike midnight.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Least improved is tricky like that, like.

• 28:18Speaker 06

  Not least improved, you get worse.

• 28:20Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  No, that's, you don't understand what the.

• 28:22Speaker 06

  The opposite of improved is.

• 28:24Speaker 03

  Least improved could mean just, you're chill.

• 28:29Speaker 00

  Everyone else gets better, you stay the same, you're the least improved.

• 28:32Speaker 06

  But someone else would be less improved if they got worse than someone who stayed the same.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  Right, I'm saying, everyone in Hank's world, every single player in the NFL gets better, Sam Darnold stays the exact same.

• 28:43Speaker 06

  Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  It'd be a great season to watch if everybody improved.

• 28:47Speaker 00

  It would be incredible.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Coaching's never been this good.

• 28:49Speaker 06

  I still don't think Sam Darnold would be okay with that.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  I'm sure if you won a Super Bowl.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, if everyone got better, yeah, it probably would suck for him.

• 28:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:56Speaker 00

  And he didn't.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  But if you won a Super Bowl, he'd be okay with it.

• 28:58Speaker 06

  He's gonna win a Super Bowl again, but he didn't say that he was gonna win a Super Bowl.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  I'm saying, if he did.

• 29:04Speaker 06

  Oh, then yeah, yeah.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  Then he'd be fine with it, yeah. Like, at some point, the, oh man, what if Sam Darnold turns into Sam Darnold, stop being a bad thing, and now Sam Darnold being Sam Darnold, I think is a good thing.

• 29:16Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm, but if he doesn't win a Super Bowl but throws for more yards, that's still an improvement.

• 29:22Speaker 06

  That's disagree.

• 29:23Speaker 00

  I mean, I think he's Sam Darnold's a team guy.

• 29:30Speaker 06

  But there's multiple ways to improve.

• 29:32Speaker 00

  True.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  Sure. You can always get better at something.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  But 1% every day.

• 29:35Speaker 00

  What if he is, what if he improves his like a husband?

• 29:39Speaker 06

  Improving like whatever.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm an MVP dad. What if he says that?

• 29:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. Says, you know what? We want, we went, we went five and 12 this year.

• 29:47Speaker 06

  Let's not all about football.

• 29:48Speaker 00

  I fucking, yeah. Life's not all about.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. Come on memes. What if you, what if you made a commitment to reading a book a month and he followed through on it?

• 29:56Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  Self improvement.

• 29:58Speaker 06

  That's the worst.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  What if he? Well, I think everyone should read at least one book this year, Max.

• 30:02Speaker 06

  Uh, you can, you don't have to do a new one every month. Just one, just one total.

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. One total.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  What if, what if he's said, you know what? During this football season, I'm gonna eat 101 cheeseburgers. He'd improve. I actually don't think that is.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  What about 100? It's all about setting a goal and hitting it.

• 30:18Speaker 06

  I've been thinking about doing 100 salads. I'm not.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  What? I'm sorry, timeframe.

• 30:26Speaker 03

  That was a genuine laugh that I had.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  What timeframe?

• 30:28Speaker 06

  I don't know. Anytime.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Do they make ice cream salad?

• 30:32Speaker 06

  No, they do like chicken salad.

• 30:33Speaker 03

  They should name something ice cream salad.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  It'd be really funny if you did that challenge just because you would eat a salad and then you'd eat lunch.

• 30:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's true.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  Appetizer. Yeah, you could do that.

• 30:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:44Speaker 03

  Pasta salad.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  Who's your winner?

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Patriots over Rams.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  All right. PFT.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Okay. Uh, I have out of the AFC, I get the Bills, the Bengals, the Texans, and the Los Angeles Chargers.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  Wow. Bolt up.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  Bolt up. I'm fully bolted. You'll see how bolted I am. The Chiefs, Colts, Broncos are gonna be my wild cards.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  Colts, no. Colts.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, we are the Colts. Uh, then out of the NFC, I've got Seahawks, Saints, Lions, and the Washington commanders. Shocking the world, winning that division. My wildcard teams out of the NFC are the Bears, the Cowboys, and the Los Angeles Rams.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  My Super Bowl is Bills and Lions. And I got the Bills winning in overtime.

• 31:38Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 31:39Speaker 06

  That'd be fun.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  What a Super Bowl that would be.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  My, uh, MVP is Justin Herbert. Has a great season. Mike McDaniel's got that offense humming. He looks awesome. True definition of what an MVP regular season could be. Just awesome regular season.

• 31:55Speaker 00

  He got, he got MVP and LVP.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  He is, no, he's gonna.

• 31:59Speaker 00

  No, I'm saying in this, in this group, in this preview.

• 32:01Speaker 06

  And AFC champion.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  And AFC champion.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  I don't think you understand how good.

• 32:05Speaker 06

  Shane's gotta be fired up.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  How good of a regular season I think Justin Herbert's gonna have this year.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 03

  It's gonna be an amazing regular season. MVP regular season for Justin Herbert. Then, yeah, in the Super Bowl, I do have the Bills and the Lions. And I got, uh, yeah, Bills in overtime, beating the Lions. My, uh, LVP is Marcus Mariota. Because he's not gonna get in.

• 32:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  At all this year. And then my least improved player is Trevor Lawrence.

• 32:30Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  I think that's a max. We saw, we've seen max Trevor.

• 32:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 03

  He's been Trevor maxing and it can't get more max.

• 32:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 32:37Speaker 06

  That would be awesome. I would love to shit.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  What?

• 32:40Speaker 06

  Fucking Prisco.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. What about commanders?

• 32:46Speaker 03

  Um, I think for the commanders, I, so last week I was as down as I've been, just like it's just the Sunday scaries for the NFL season starting again. So I went through that. I came out the other side because I sat down last night. I looked at every position group. I compared it to 2024. Across the board, every single position group on the commanders going into this year should be better than it was in 2024, with maybe the exception of cornerbacks, because we're still waiting to get Amos back. And once he gets back, I would put that group above 2024. So what am I, what am I getting so worked up about?

• 33:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  It's a, it should be a better team than it was in 2024. And Jaden's healthier than he was, uh, all season last year. So I'm back, I'm back. I'm fully in. I think we're in a great spot because the noise against the commanders has gotten so loud now that I actually think it has been a benefit in terms of like, they can actually play the, nobody believes in us.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, in 2024, no one expected that.

• 33:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm fully back in. I can't wait for Sunday. It is a must win. Actually, first three games.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. You guys have a tough.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  We gotta, we gotta go one and two at the minimum in the first three games. Can't go 0-3 because we got the Eagles, the Cowboys and the Seahawks in the first three weeks. So we have to get at least a third of a win against the Eagles.

• 34:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  This upcoming Sunday. Yeah.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  America's game of the week, Max.

• 34:07Speaker 00

  Um, all right. I will do my picks. I have, uh, in the AFC, AFC East Bills, AFC North Ravens, AFC West Broncos, AFC South Texans. My wildcard teams are the Chiefs, the Bengals and the Patriots. So I don't have Jaguars. I don't have Chargers. I don't have Steelers. Uh, yeah, I'm not, I'm hot. I think the Ravens are gonna be really good. I've talked myself into the Ravens recently.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah, they've got a lot of pieces.

• 34:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. Talked myself into the Ravens. Okay. In the NFC, I have, uh, the NFC East Eagles, the NFC North Bears, the NFC South Bucks, NFC West Rams, and then my wildcard teams are the Seahawks, the Lions and?

• 35:01Speaker 06

  Cowboys.

• 35:01Speaker 00

  The New York Giants. Okay. You love the Giants.

• 35:04Speaker 06

  Weren't you like talking about the Cowboys?

• 35:06Speaker 00

  I've switched. I've switched to the, to the Giants.

• 35:08Speaker 06

  That's insane.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  Well, what do you want me to do? I've switched.

• 35:11Speaker 06

  You said Texas Super Bowl like a week ago.

• 35:13Speaker 00

  And then I got off it because someone told me that that's stupid.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  You're also.

• 35:16Speaker 00

  I can't remember who told me that was stupid.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  You're allowed to change your mind though.

• 35:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. You are allowed to change your mind, Hank.

• 35:21Speaker 06

  Schrager also said that he likes the Giants.

• 35:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, I can't remember who said that the Cowboys were gonna suck. Who the fuck told me?

• 35:32Speaker 03

  I mean, there's a good chance that right when the Cowboys, you have the expectations of the world on them. That's when they let you down the most.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  I also wanted to take one crazy one. So that was, that was really what it is. I, I, if you, if you made me bet right now, I'd say, yeah, probably the Cowboys over the Giants. But I want to take one. There's gotta be one team that no one sees going to the playoffs.

• 35:50Speaker 03

  I, I do think that, uh, that Tyler Smith, the guard from the Cowboys being out is a big, that's a big deal.

• 35:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  He's the highest paid guard in the NFL. He's played close to 100% of their snaps since he's been in the league. Like he's a very, very big part of that offensive line and that offense. So him being out for like the first month, I, I do think that's a massive deal.

• 36:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, the Super Bowl, it's gonna be a fun one, boys, for this show. And we're gonna have a really fun time talking about the, uh, Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday, February 14th, I believe. Uh, for that Monday, pardon my take, it is going to be the Buffalo Bills defeating the Fall of the Eagles.

• 36:31Speaker 06

  Imagine how.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  We'd love that.

• 36:32Speaker 00

  That would be a crazy Super Bowl.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  We'd love that. Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Be a crazy Super Bowl.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  On Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day massacre?

• 36:40Speaker 00

  Buffalo Bills over the Fall of the Eagles.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  That would rock.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  Holy shit. Uh, my MVP is Josh Allen. We know what that entails. Uh, my LVP is Josh Jacobs, because he's scumbag.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 36:52Speaker 00

  And, uh, I don't even know if he's gonna play. So can't, can't be valuable if you're not on the field and they kinda need him.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  I don't want, you're forcing me to, to take the side of Josh Jacobs in this argument.

• 37:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  What if their running game absolutely stinks? Then it's like by omission, how valuable was Josh Jacobs in this offense?

• 37:10Speaker 00

  Right. But if his, if the running game stinks and he's out for six weeks, that's his fault.

• 37:15Speaker 06

  And there's more to life than football.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  There's more to life than football.

• 37:17Speaker 06

  We already established that.

• 37:19Speaker 00

  Like being a good human.

• 37:20Speaker 06

  Bad.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. But couldn't you also say like most improved player for Josh Jacobs if he like doesn't beat any women in the next 12 months?

• 37:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. If he's acquitted, I guess.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Like great job on not beating anyone.

• 37:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Something to think about.

• 37:32Speaker 00

  My, uh, least improved player, I think Deshaun Watson's gonna get worse.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 37:40Speaker 00

  I think he's gonna get even worse. I think it's gonna be comically, comically bad. Uh, so he is going to, to, to go backwards.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  Did you see what the?

• 37:48Speaker 00

  Even further backwards.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  Did you see what the Browns just said? That, uh, Shador might not even be the number two quarterback?

• 37:53Speaker 00

  Oh. Is it Dylan Gabriel?

• 37:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 37:56Speaker 00

  No, he got hurt, right?

• 37:57Speaker 03

  No. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, what's his name? The guy from Arkansas? Shit, quarterback from Arkansas. I like this guy.

• 38:03Speaker 00

  Green or whatever?

• 38:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Electric athlete.

• 38:06Speaker 00

  Damn. Shador, Shadussy. Well, that makes me think that they're gonna stick with Deshaun through everything and that the more Deshaun plays, the, the, the least improved he becomes.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  I actually think that the meanest thing that you could do to Deshaun.

• 38:23Speaker 06

  I feel like that's tough because his bar for improvement's low.

• 38:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I'm saying that's how bad he's gonna be, Hank. It's gonna be shocking how bad he is.

• 38:29Speaker 03

  If you're a Deshaun hater, the, the best punishment is to make him play football all year. He clearly does not enjoy it. He doesn't like playing for that team, for those fans. Be like, too bad.

• 38:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  You gotta go play football.

• 38:41Speaker 00

  But Hank, I want to take a shot. Like everyone's, you know, uh, they have Drake May as least improved. Yeah. Okay. He could probably like be third in MVP and he didn't improve. Think about how bad Deshaun has to be to, to, to go backwards on improvement. That's how bad I think he's gonna be.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  It's gonna be like fun to watch. It's gonna get to a point where we're actually gonna enjoy it.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  It'd be great.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  It'd be great.

• 39:06Speaker 00

  Uh, as for the Bears, I did, uh, on the stretch, I did, uh, the blind win losses. I have the Bears at 10 and 7. I think our defense is going to be really bad. We're gonna have to win a lot of shootouts. I think it's gonna be a year before the year if they can spend a lot of money on the defense next year. It's about the offense getting a lot better, which I think it will. If the offense becomes a top five unit, then the problems that the Bears have can be fixed, hopefully with offseason draft, et cetera. So that's kinda where I'm at.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  I'm looking forward to, uh, Ben Johnson, new wrinkles.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I think I, I really do like it's, it's basically like Caleb, take another step forward. Uh, Luther Burden or Roma Dunze be a true number one and Colson Loveland be a superstar. If those things happen, I don't know, like the defense is just objectively not gonna be good. Because the entire plan was to build, uh, a good secondary and half of that plan has already gone up in smoke. So.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Is Roma Dunze okay?

• 40:06Speaker 00

  Roma Dunze is okay. I'm saying the, the, you know, Kobe Bryant out for the year and then Kyler Gordon is just not, he, I think everyone hates him and he's not even practicing. So that was, that was a big part of the secondary being good. So.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Cause I think.

• 40:19Speaker 00

  Oh wait, what happened to Rome?

• 40:20Speaker 03

  It was his foot, right?

• 40:21Speaker 00

  He has, he has a foot. He has two of them.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  He's got two feet. Yep. Confirmed. Uh, let's see. Ben Johnson says he's more day to day.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  He's day to day. I don't believe he'll be out there today, but we're hopeful he'll be out there Sunday.

• 40:33Speaker 00

  He has like a, he, he talked about it like being the new normal that his foot is never like, it's gonna be a little different.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Well, he said, this is a different foot injury than a Dunze was dealing with last season.

• 40:44Speaker 00

  Listen, I hope Rome's okay. Luther Burden's gonna have to step up and be the man.

• 40:49Speaker 03

  I think, I think Ben Johnson's gonna unleash a lot of downfield laterals this year. It's gonna look like his last year in Detroit, which by the way, I did some research on that. You know how many turnover, I think there were 33 designed downfield laterals thrown over the last two seasons?

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  Um, and not counting end of game scenarios. You know how many turnovers there were off those 33?

• 41:11Speaker 00

  How many?

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Zero.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 41:13Speaker 03

  Zero. Ben Johnson's gonna dial it up.

• 41:15Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. Uh, all right. So, good picks, everyone.

• 41:23Speaker 00

  What, let's rip around real quick. Your Super Bowl winner memes, just to remind everyone. Bengals.

• 41:28Speaker 06

  Eagles.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Took the Bengals also.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  Buffalo Bills.

• 41:32Speaker 00

  Bills.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Patriots.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  Okay. How many?

• 41:36Speaker 02

  Lot of AFC.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  We'll have to make this a graphic and then see who's closest to being right. I'm sure, well, the best part about the NFL season is there's gonna be at least two teams that none of us talked about that are gonna come out of nowhere and, and do it.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. What, what MVPs?

• 41:51Speaker 00

  I have Josh Allen.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Drake May.

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Joe Burrow.

• 41:55Speaker 06

  Jalen Hurts.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Uh, Joe Burrow.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Justin Herbert.

• 41:59Speaker 00

  Justin Herbert.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  No Matt Stafford.

• 42:01Speaker 06

  All AFC except.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 00

  I actually was thinking also like.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Go back.

• 42:08Speaker 00

  My LVP or LIP was gonna, I was toying with the idea of Puka just because he's crazy and I feel like we've forgotten how crazy he is. And we don't know if he's gonna stay sane enough to play.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  He's quarterback award though.

• 42:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, no, LVP?

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Oh, LVP.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. LVP. No, no, definitely not thinking about him for MVP. Uh, okay. Let's do hot seat, cool throne. Then we got more football with Peter Schrager and Camp Scatabo. Uh, hot seat, cool throne brought to you by Tick Pick. Quick math for football season, 18 weeks, nine home games and one question. How many are you actually going to? Here's how you get to more of them. Tick Pick. The no fee ticketing app. Tick Pick has never charged any service fees. So tickets for the same seat section and row cost less than other sites. Max, uh, what is the first road game you're looking at for the Eagles?

• 42:58Speaker 06

  Right now for this weekend, the get in price for the Titans is $21. Next weekend against the Eagles, the get in price right now is $217. That's a 10x difference, which means that I think next week is also kind of a home game for the Eagles.

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• 43:53Speaker 02

  Uh, my hot seat is Shefty.

• 43:55Speaker 00

  Shefty.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  He's, he's in some hot water for, uh, his reporting on the Christians Gonzalez contract situation.

• 44:01Speaker 00

  What did he screw up this time?

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Uh, he was saying that there were conversations in the Patriots organization in recent days if they should withdraw from the offer.

• 44:09Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  And that they're, the, the two sides aren't even close. This was yesterday.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  Do you think that there were conversations or, or no conversation?

• 44:16Speaker 02

  I think Shefter is just, he's, he gets a little like, he gets one source and he's maybe not doing as much reporting as he used to where he's just going with, with his source and kind of carrying the water for that source.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Oh, Mr. Editor?

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  Is that what you're saying?

• 44:27Speaker 02

  He needs, he needs, he needs to do, you know, check his sources.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  Check sources. Cause I saw him report that, that Michigan won the other day.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  He did.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  But I heard that's even up for dispute.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  It is.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Uh, my hot seat's also love.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  Alex Earl unfollowed Braxton Berrios on Instagram.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  Oh no. They've been broken up for a while.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then the TV show came out. It was, it was a lot of Braxton Berrios in it.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Which show was that again?

• 44:53Speaker 02

  The Earl meets world.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, I'm behind on that.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  But yeah, big, that's just, you know, I haven't wanted to get back together.

• 45:00Speaker 00

  I didn't. I actually did. What, what? Max?

• 45:06Speaker 06

  A lot of drama from that show.

• 45:08Speaker 00

  A lot of drama from that show? What other drama had came from that show?

• 45:10Speaker 06

  Alex V Alex is at an all time high right now.

• 45:14Speaker 00

  I, I personally didn't want them to get back together. I think Braxton could do better.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 45:19Speaker 00

  Braxton went on a date with Lando Norris's ex-girlfriend. That's also part of the drama. I love that for Braxton.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Cause Alex Earl went on a date with Lando Norris.

• 45:28Speaker 00

  Love that. Don't love that for Braxton.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, love is dead.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  Oh, so they're just, so, so wait, Alex Earl and Braxton Berrios still just madly in love with each other?

• 45:38Speaker 02

  That's, who knows? You see, you've seen unfollow like that seems love is dead.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's exactly like, she, she wants Braxton to hit him, hit her up being like, I saw you unfollowed me.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  I would, I would even say that like going out with somebody that's targeted because there's somebody that your ex has some connection to, that's also probably just a signal like, hey, yeah, I miss you.

• 45:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. Big time. Okay.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Uh, and then my cool throne's rugby.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:07Speaker 00

  Did you take this from PFT?

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Did I?

• 46:09Speaker 03

  He's trying to.

• 46:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  I now might've had it on my list.

• 46:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  I, I wanna hear you explain it though. I'm not gonna save your ass like I did with the flyovers.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  Uh, I got nailed that one. Miles Garrett, uh, there was a video of Miles Garrett working out with former Australian rugby coach Billy Coffey, uh, to like hit harder, basically. And in this drill there, he's like teaching him how to, you know, tackle or like with your hips.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  And he, the, the hits that Miles Garrett was hitting this guy with, I think if I, I took one, I would die. Like he was still hitting him through the pad and it looked like a bowling ball going through a wall.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Putting him over 90 degrees to the ground. Yeah. It was pretty crazy.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  But yeah, as if Miles Garrett needed like to learn how to hit harder.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh yeah. We gotta pull it up here. What, what's the contact that he makes? Because it's, it's like cartoonish.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  It hurt, it hurts to watch.

• 47:05Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 47:06Speaker 06

  I, that had to have been sped up.

• 47:09Speaker 00

  You're controlling it, dude.

• 47:10Speaker 06

  No, I'm saying, I'm, I didn't edit the video.

• 47:13Speaker 00

  No, I know, but the, the.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, probably was sped up. Yeah.

• 47:16Speaker 00

  Maybe a little.

• 47:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:19Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 47:21Speaker 00

  Alright, so Miles Garrett's gonna hit even harder.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  He's gonna hit harder. Yeah. And what's weird is like the, the type of rug, oh, see that, that looks intense, that one right there? The kind of rugby this guy plays, you have to try to wrap up. It's not the kind where you can just shoulder charge, but he's teaching him the shoulder charge. So I don't really understand that part, but yeah, it's terrifying. Anyone that, that is trying to improve Miles Garrett's, uh, contact ability, um, is probably.

• 47:46Speaker 00

  Please stop.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  Please stop doing that for the sake of everybody.

• 47:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. Good job, Hank.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 47:53Speaker 00

  Uh, PFT.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Um, my hot seat is the power in Tallahassee.

• 47:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  So last night we watched a little bit of college football. Power went out before the game. Somebody drove a, a car into transformer, knocked it out. And then we got to see a very chaotic, but I, I like that kind of college football. Where it's like something crazy. You literally, you literally watch a game every weekend and something happens that you've never seen before on a football field.

• 48:20Speaker 00

  SMU is the dumbest team of all time. They, they should have, they, they outgained them by like a thousand yards. They should have won the game.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:28Speaker 00

  By multiple scores and they just, every time they had a, it was crazy.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  Is, uh, is Mike Norvell the most pre-fired head coach of all time?

• 48:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think so.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  I think he might be.

• 48:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  He's just got, he looks like a nice guy.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  What do you guys look like? You guys are giving each other eyes?

• 48:46Speaker 03

  He's already fired.

• 48:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. He's.

• 48:48Speaker 06

  Hank was giving me eyes.

• 48:49Speaker 00

  You guys got eyes?

• 48:50Speaker 02

  I just looked over, Max was staring into my soul.

• 48:52Speaker 06

  Well, you were staring at me. You looked over at me.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:56Speaker 00

  They're literally just staring at each other. I don't know what's.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  Do you guys have any?

• 48:58Speaker 06

  Well, I wasn't gonna back down. He started staring at me.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  We're, we're having staring contests.

• 49:02Speaker 00

  Are you guys doing this?

• 49:03Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 49:04Speaker 00

  Are you guys about to go?

• 49:05Speaker 03

  Do you think, do you think other, uh, other podcasts out there, the sports podcasts have their, uh, producers just get into staring contests with each other?

• 49:11Speaker 00

  I just looked.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  During an episode?

• 49:13Speaker 02

  I can't exist.

• 49:13Speaker 00

  But you know that your looks are.

• 49:15Speaker 06

  I just looked back.

• 49:16Speaker 00

  You're, you have loaded looks.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Well, Max had his mic on and like, and I noticed the mic. I just looked over to see.

• 49:21Speaker 06

  My mic was on.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  I looked over to see what was going on.

• 49:24Speaker 06

  I canceled the mic.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  But if you didn't make a sound, I wouldn't have looked.

• 49:28Speaker 06

  I did make a sound and then I looked back. Yeah. All right. Continue. Sorry about that. I missed you guys.

• 49:34Speaker 00

  I, I think that Hank, a lot of, uh, the, the grief you get would be, uh, like minimized by just realizing you do have loaded looks.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  I know. I under, like, I can't, this is an existing situation. Like I, yeah, if I, my face wasn't my face, I wouldn't have the issues that I have, but.

• 49:51Speaker 00

  Cause like, I understand Max was breathing heavy, but if you look, if you look at Max, Max can't back down.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  I guess, I don't know. I literally just, I wasn't staring, I just merely looked. Yeah, I mean, you of all people shouldn't really comment on other people breathing heavily. Yeah. Given your yawns. Let's ask, whatever, nevermind. It's kind of relaxing.

• 50:11Speaker 00

  I actually, I actually had a couple of people like, be like, I used to be able to fall asleep to, to PMT, but Max being on vacation, I haven't been able to do it.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's not enough white noise on this podcast. I, my, my mic is, I need to shut up. Okay. Cancel that mic.

• 50:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, cancel the mic.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  And stop looking at me.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  Hey, you stop looking, Max, you stop breathing.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure if you go to a zoo, they have, they have this type of problem where they've got certain animals that are next to each other that they have to put up visual dividers so that they don't get distracted during the day and spend all day trying to fight the other guy. We might have to do that at some point.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, Max is literally a gorilla in a cage. And Hank is like a little kid that came up and poked the ca- you know, tapped the, the glass.

• 50:55Speaker 03

  I think we need to put a divider like right next to Hank's left side. So Hank can look at us and he can't see them. What do you think about that?

• 51:04Speaker 00

  What were we talking about?

• 51:05Speaker 03

  Uh, Mike, Mike Norvell, most.

• 51:06Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, most pre-fired coach.

• 51:08Speaker 03

  Coach of all time.

• 51:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  Also, hot seat is Tallahassee Power because, uh, Pop Punk is playing there on Friday. We're flying out. Uh, Zach is coming to do a little hometown throwdown with us to get things set up. I believe I've had Zach agree to get on stage and sing a song.

• 51:25Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 51:25Speaker 03

  In Tallahassee.

• 51:26Speaker 00

  What song? Wait, signing it or singing it?

• 51:29Speaker 03

  Singing. Either one? Okay, singing. You could also sign while you sing too. I don't know if I can double, two languages at once. I don't know if I can speak them. Well, your choice. I'd have to go one. You can do either one. Okay, yes, sir. Either one, it's gonna be your call, but that's, uh, Friday night. I think it's gonna be an earliest show, like seven, 7:30 at, uh, Pop Bellies. Is that what they call it, Zach? Yes, sir. Pop Bellies, not the sandwich place, but a different place. Different place, yes, sir. Different place. But I think you guys could, I mean, you guys could rip a Pop Bellies sandwich place too. We might do both.

• 51:56Speaker 00

  Wait, it's Pop Bellies, but it's not Pop Bellies?

• 51:58Speaker 03

  It's Pop Bellies, but it's not Pop Bellies. Wow. I kind of like the idea of Zach, you, you signing.

• 52:04Speaker 00

  That's kind of crazy.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Signing while Frankie sings. You think you'd learn that?

• 52:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's gotta be out there somewhere. You're nervous, you're nervous. It's okay. It's gotta be out there somewhere. But you will get on stage and perform.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  Oh, I've been to this bar. It's a good bar, yeah.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  Good times. Uh, my cool throne is Antarctica. Did you see the interview with DK Metcalf? Yes. He's talking about what he's gonna change going into this year, kind of where he's at mentally with his life after leaving Seattle, seeing them win a Super Bowl and, uh, what he thinks about the Steelers. And it sounds like Aaron Rodgers and him have, uh, have really hit it off recently because he was talking about Antarctica and he wants to know what's really going on there.

• 52:46Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  So he said, I think it's another world. I think there's another civilization inside of Earth in Antarctica. Because you can go to Alaska, you can go to the North Pole, but why not Antarctica? Why can't you just book a trip to Antarctica? You, you actually can book a trip there.

• 53:03Speaker 00

  Definitely can.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  Um, which, uh, the article kind of editorialized, seemed like it was dunking on him. And then he says, why is there a secret meeting? Well, it's not a secret meeting, but why is there a meeting between every world leader of every country in Antarctica specifically? I don't really know what meeting he's talking about, but I, I choose to believe him.

• 53:20Speaker 00

  Is that with the UN?

• 53:21Speaker 03

  Well, the, that all the countries that have a stake in Antarctica, they get together and they talk about what to do about, like this, what happened over the last six months with all the aliens that live in Antarctica.

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  How do we continue to keep this secret from DK Metcalf? And he's all over it. And I guess he said that him and Aaron Rodgers have bonded over this type of stuff.

• 53:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was gonna say, they spend enough time with Rodgers, you're gonna start spitting out some conspiracy theories.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I, I do think you almost need to be a conspiracy free thinker to even believe that winning a playoff game in Pittsburgh is possible this year. Like, you can't be limited to the stuff that's been taught to you and, and fed to you, the propaganda that you've heard out there. So I.

• 53:58Speaker 00

  You have to think the, the, the impossible is possible.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  You have to think it's possible for the Steelers to average more than 24 points a game.

• 54:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  And everyone's gonna call you crazy until you do it, just so you know. So good for DK, I'm rooting for him.

• 54:11Speaker 00

  Wow, that's a crazy iceberg in Antarctica. I didn't say it right. Why is it so blue?

• 54:18Speaker 03

  That's like old water that you haven't seen in thousands of years, I think.

• 54:22Speaker 00

  That's sick. All right, my hot seat is, uh, Michigan because they have fallen out of the top 25 ranking and also Western Michigan is now officially appealing. They say, they, they said, uh, replay protocol was not properly followed in the Western Michigan, Michigan game, and they filed a formal appeal with the NCAA FBS Oversight Committee to be recognized as the winner. I mean, what are the chances this happens? That would be, it would be pretty fucking cool.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  It'd be chaotic, yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 00

  It would be awesome.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  So the MAC, the conference is appealing.

• 54:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  This game. And, uh, what, what is the committee that, that they're appealing to? The NCAA FBS Oversight Committee? Are they allowed to just change wins to losses? I guess the College Football Playoff Committee can do whatever the fuck they want.

• 55:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  And can say like, for the record, we're gonna recognize that as a win. Uh, but this is, this is why you have to wait till all the facts come out.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  The MAC, I don't think did a good job. And I would say maybe Western Michigan, they were, they were like gracious.

• 55:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  In defeat.

• 55:24Speaker 00

  They should have been a little.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  But they should have just not said anything. Anytime after you lose, you have to say, I'm gonna talk to my lawyers first and then I'll get back to you and let you know if we actually lost that football game.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  Uh, because what they did after the game was kind of admit that they lost, which is gonna be tougher for them to, uh, to kind of go back on. But I think the premise of what they're saying is what we said on this show, which is by the, the very rulebook, according to Mike Pereira, uh, or the protocol, if there's a discrepancy in the clock, you go with the clock that everybody that's watching on TV can see.

• 55:56Speaker 00

  Right.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  And they didn't do that.

• 55:57Speaker 00

  Right. Uh, Trivion Henderson ruled out for Wednesday.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Oh, no, so.

• 56:01Speaker 00

  So our fantasy team is fucked?

• 56:03Speaker 03

  It's Chris Rodriguez, uh, who, by the way, new face, same face, new place. I fucked that up. He's, uh, backup on the Jaguars, no longer fourth string on the commanders. So I fucked that up.

• 56:15Speaker 00

  Okay, so good pick by Jared.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  Good pick by Jerry, maybe.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, why not? We're, we're in trouble then. Jesus. That's, that's early to be in trouble on your.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Do you have a statement, Hank?

• 56:28Speaker 02

  I was expecting this. And we're gonna have, you know, an extra week and a half to recover.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  Okay, that's a good statement. Print it. Uh, my cool throne is, uh, umpires on a power trip. We didn't talk about this on Tuesday's show, but the, I think it was Friday night, uh, the Rockies Cardinals game, Doug Eddings, all-time umpire power trip. He, uh, he demanded that pitcher Hansel Rincon straighten his hat since no one will wear a hat like that on his field. And then when Marmo came out to, uh, talk to Eddings, the manager for the, the Cardinals, he gave, uh, during a pitching change, Eddings then called the pitch clock violation and ejected, uh, the, the manager for the Cardinals. All-time power, douchebag, asshole.

• 57:19Speaker 00

  But sometimes I'm like, I kind of like when an umpire just is like, you know what? Everyone's here to see me.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  Is there anything?

• 57:25Speaker 00

  There's something about it.

• 57:26Speaker 03

  Is that a rule in Major League Baseball that your hat, your hat has to be on?

• 57:30Speaker 00

  No.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  His rule, his field.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  He said on his field.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  His field, what he says goes. Yeah, and then, uh, he also screwed up a play at the plate, like two plays later, and the Cardinals were out of challenges because of, uh, they were out of challenges. So, yeah, they, he's just, I think then everyone on the field, everyone the next day wore their hat sideways in protest, which I love that.

• 57:52Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, guy sucks, but again, there's something about, uh, umpires that are just like, yeah, this is my, this is my game. You guys don't deserve to be on the same field as me. I, I respect it. We lost that a little bit. Joe West, we lost it.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 58:09Speaker 00

  All right, finishes off, Zach.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  My hot seat this week is gonna be, uh, LSU, cause it seems like they may have a double agent in the locker room, boys.

• 58:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  It, it feels as if Lane Kiffin's halftime speeches leaked against Clemson and they're recording all shoes the whole time.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  Hmm. Is there a chance that this was on purpose?

• 58:26Speaker 03

  Yes. There's a chance, yes. Do you think it was on purpose? He would've came with like a little more bait?

• 58:32Speaker 07

  It feels very organic and natural.

• 58:35Speaker 03

  I think there's a cha- I don't, I don't know if it's likely that it was on purpose. There's definitely a chance that Lane was like, hey, roll tape on this.

• 58:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, like record my halftime, then show me what you recorded. We'll see if we want to put it out. Cause I listened to it. I was like, that was an awesome, like that's a killer mentality from Lane Kiffin. I'd want to go play for.

• 58:55Speaker 07

  You're saying get the rough take and then we'll put it out. I didn't, I didn't do that angle. That could be a case for sure.

• 58:59Speaker 03

  Depending on how the second half goes. Yeah. Put that out. And I think by the end of it, he was like shooting basketballs and shit on the sidelines while the game was going on. I, I wouldn't put it past Lane to be like, hey, drop that banger of a halftime speech I just gave. Now it, it could be a double agent.

• 59:13Speaker 00

  Let me go viral. Let me go, let me go nuclear.

• 59:16Speaker 03

  Nuclear.

• 59:17Speaker 00

  Lava.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  Got, got up. I got up. Gave them all kinds of hell.

• 59:21Speaker 00

  Burn Nashville to ground.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  Now I think that, uh, the, the lawsuit against LSU is very, very interesting right now. Cause that seems like it's not something that you would do if you were just, if you were bluffing.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  So the SCC has, has reserved the right to schedule a membership vote on Thursday on whether or not to kick LSU out. I'd say good luck with that.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  I think that every other school in the SCC is probably like, hey, yeah, that's Louisiana and they, uh, they're, they're being charged like lack of institutional control. If anything, I think the state of Louisiana has way too much institutional control over, over what happens at LSU. I think they're, they know exactly what they're doing and they're doing it.

• 1:00:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'd agree.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  What means?

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  If you're LSU, don't you want to get kicked out? Cause then you're just Notre Dame and you get to play independent and then you get all that money.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  I don't know, because the trick is, I don't know what would happen with the rest of your schedule this year.

• 1:00:20Speaker 00

  And what would happen with the other sports?

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  The other sports could be an issue, but yeah, you could, LSU is one of the, I think a handful of schools that could command like a media rights package, just on their own, but definitely. I don't think that they want to get kicked out of the SCC, especially if this is all going towards like an SCC, big 10 only.

• 1:00:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  National landscape. I think you'd probably want to stay.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  LSU in the big 10.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  LSU in the big 10 would be funny.

• 1:00:45Speaker 00

  Come on home.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. Maybe JMU to the SCC. Step right in there.

• 1:00:50Speaker 00

  Uh, your cool turn?

• 1:00:51Speaker 07

  Uh, cool thing this week is going to be Mike Tomlin. Uh, Mike Tomlin spoke a little bit about how he wanted to connect with his kids growing up. He said, what are my kids into? My kids are into the game right now. Let's hop onto Minecraft. His kids grew up, but Mike Tomlin didn't grow out of Minecraft. He said, he's been playing for the last 12 years and he's built his own little Mike Tomlin.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  No way. That's very funny. I love that. Very funny.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  I need, I need to see what that city looks like.

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  That is so funny.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  Like would he do that to unwind? Like he'd get home, tough day. Le'Veon Bell just tweeted out some soft core porn. Antonio Brown brought K2 spice into the locker room. He was trying to hot box Ben Roethlisberger.

• 1:01:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  I got to just go home and, and hit the server.

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  I gotta, I gotta, I gotta just chop wood.

• 1:01:34Speaker 07

  High stress day, cigarette and a little bit of Minecraft.

• 1:01:37Speaker 03

  Guys, Tomlin said he needs me.

• 1:01:39Speaker 07

  His kids come home and the first thing they do is like that, we gotta see the city. What are we, where are the advances? I thought that was awesome.

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  That is awesome. All right. Good job. Uh, let's get to our interviews. We've got Peter Schreger and then we have Cam Scataboo after that.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

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• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  Okay. We now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is Peter Schrager. He is the host of, uh, the new show called Big Day with Peter Schrager. It's actually airing on Thursday. So tomorrow, as you're listening to this, uh, Schreigs, we wanted to have you on to talk some football, but it's perfect because you've got a new show coming out. Congrats on that. What, what, what should we expect? Is the A block on Thursday going to be Tua starting for the Falcons?

• 1:03:46Speaker 07

  No, um, it won't be.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  That's a mistake. That's a mistake. I'm not going to try to tell you how to do your show. That's a mistake. That should be the A block.

• 1:03:54Speaker 07

  Okay. We should start with two appendix talk and just do it for an hour. That would be the way to go. Uh, it's the coolest shit. I'm getting to my own show on ESPN, which is a dream and it's after McAfee. So he goes 12 to two, and then I'll be two to three every day. The challenge is going to be, uh, you know, football, I'll be fine. And then it goes to basketball season, college basketball season. I'm excited for that because I've always been NFL. So, uh, the hope is that we're going to provide a show that you're going to want to watch. I always say like, the goal of this, and we've been working on it for quite a bit, is that it's on in the hotel lobby or it's on on the plane. And instead of it just being on unmute or you don't put your headphones on, you're seeing it, you're seeing energy, you're seeing a good conversation. You're seeing people you like on television. You're like, I'll listen to that. And then you're hooked and then you're in.

• 1:04:40Speaker 07

  You know, I, I think about all the different shows that I love and you guys are obviously one of them, but like I think of Howard Stern, I think of, you know, whether it be McAfee's guys or Simmons's guys, it's always like the show within the show where there's inside jokes and it's day to day. It's like, what are these guys going to say about this? That's the hope of it. So it's all sports. Kicks off, uh, two o'clock and our whole rule is like, no ego, no assholes, uh, just fun, celebrate sports and have a good time with it. Let's not make this feel like it's life or death every single day.

• 1:05:10Speaker 00

  I love that. It's a, it's a great way to, uh, approach a show and you said, you mentioned Howard Stern, you mentioned us. So who is going to be your Mincy? Who's going to be your Frank the Tank? Who's going to be your Nikki Smokes? Do you have a whack pack waiting? Uh, because it's a hard thing to do. It's to build the, a perfect whack pack. There, these guys are unemployable otherwise. And then you've got to find a way to, to, to have them part of the crew.

• 1:05:35Speaker 07

  You know, it's funny. I, I was watching the videos.

• 1:05:37Speaker 00

  Frank, by the way, Frank could be employed elsewhere, but Mincy and Nikki Smokes for sure.

• 1:05:41Speaker 07

  Sure. And if I'm not mistaken, Mincy's still shitting all over the title sponsor that it wasn't big enough of a gift.

• 1:05:46Speaker 00

  Yes, correct. That is true. Correct. It was a little light. It was a little light.

• 1:05:50Speaker 07

  A hundred thousand dollar production and it was 10 grand. He was up at 5:00 AM and getting after it, whatever that meant.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  Give him hell. Give it him hell. Yeah.

• 1:05:59Speaker 07

  It's giving him hell.

• 1:06:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Speaker 07

  No, we don't have that yet. And I don't know if I'm looking for that necessarily, but I do want, you know, the ongoing thread of like, all right, it's Tuesday and this is what happens. And then Wednesday we're going to pick up from there, which I don't think ESPN has a lot of where it's like, it's, it's usually episodic, like day to day, it feels like an entirely fresh new show. I think it's okay if there was a running inside joke from Tuesday to bring it over to Wednesday, or if you want to bring in the audience and there's like a funny theme that you guys have and you finally figure out, oh, week to week, we should bring this back. Like that's okay to do on ESPN also. It's okay to have continuity amongst the, the different days. Then also, you know, we have this amazing access. And I think you guys have tapped into it when you have Berman on and you have some of the legends on.

• 1:06:45Speaker 07

  Like I, I've been working the last few months on this show. They have every clip from primetime, from SportsCenter. Dude, it is an untouched set of archives that I think we can go in and I told them like, it's not showing B-roll of an old play. It's, hold on a second.

• 1:07:04Speaker 07

  Craig Kilborn did an amazing Sonics versus Nuggets highlight this day, 30 years ago. I'm going to lay out and for three minutes, we're going to play the actual clip of Craig Kilborn. Like we're source full. Like let's do it. Let's just show it and dip into that nostalgia because everyone says all the time, ESPN is not what it used to be, not what it used to be. Well, it's not. And there's a lot of good shit that's going on right now at ESPN and I hope to lean into that. But we can still tap into that nostalgia and show you those clips and not just the footage of the sports, but the actual SportsCenter clips or the actual NFL primetime clips of Chris Berman doing a Falcons Rams highlight. Like I'm excited to dip into all of this.

• 1:07:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Speaker 07

  That'd be awesome. Have you thought about getting maybe an Italian, uh, sex addict producer from Philly?

• 1:07:45Speaker 07

  No, I haven't.

• 1:07:46Speaker 03

  That could be, that should be a strategy for you as well.

• 1:07:50Speaker 00

  Unless he leaves for two weeks.

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  In which case, the sex addict thing, you know, it, it comes and it goes.

• 1:07:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  No pun intended.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:07:57Speaker 07

  Well, I want to say, so I, I saw the Stu Finer video of him talking about some local restaurant. I would say, I've never been to said restaurant. I wish I had it on. That little piece of content was one of my favorite pieces of content all summer. And that's the kind of stuff I would like to explore.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  Like you can't look away.

• 1:08:13Speaker 07

  You want to do random stuff like we can. And if we have a guest in from out of town and Steve Smith is going to be on a lot, that wide receiver, and he's awesome, we work together at NFL Network. If we want to do man on the street stuff with Steve Smith and get him into like different situations, let's try it. So there's going to be some different feels. It's going to feel like we're breaking the fourth wall a little bit. That's the hope.

• 1:08:31Speaker 00

  All right, so we are, as we're airing this, the NFL season is going to kick off. We're, we have our first game of the, of the entire NFL season. But I had a question for you because listen, we know that you're tight with certain coaches around the league. What the fuck is Sean McVay doing with this plan in Australia? And how, he's definitely explained it to you and you've been like, this makes sense, Peter. But I still can't understand that they're like, the, the 49ers have been there for a week and the, and the Rams are going to fly in, fly out. What, what's going on? Is it, I, I can't imagine this doesn't affect how they're going to play against the 49ers in Australia.

• 1:09:12Speaker 07

  It's interesting because there are members of the organization who are already there. So like they've got a bunch of front office guys and, and executives that are there. Their radio guys are there. So it's not like everyone's on the Sean McVay plan, but they have a very, very detailed plan. And their thought is this flight is what? X amount of hours, the adrenaline of us getting up off that flight, playing a 10:30 AM game locally in Melbourne, by the way, it's going to drive you nuts if people say it, but it's pronounced Melbourne, not Melbourne. They have a 10:30 AM game there. His theory is this, we come out, we got a long flight, we get off the plane, we play football, we come back on this flight and then we have 17 more weeks of the season to play.

• 1:09:57Speaker 07

  I'm not looking to dedicate 10 days out of our calendar year to one game where we have to adjust our sleeps to the Melbourne, but then we're going to come back and have to get back on America. The pure adrenaline rush, and this is what they did last, you've probably seen this, but last year, he was like, let's throw out the plans of other years. Let's fly into Jacksonville the day before. Let's beat the shit out of the Jaguars and let's get out of town. And it worked. So he's rolling the dice again. There are different sleep science experts that say that if you have something in Australia from the West Coast, this is an advised way to do it. Where if you have a one day, whatever it's a film premiere, you have to do something.

• 1:10:39Speaker 07

  You come in, you do it the day of and you get out and then your body's not messed up for a month. So whereas the Niners might be on a perfect sleep track and they can wake up, they're still playing at 10:30 in the morning.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:10:50Speaker 07

  In Melbourne, where that's not going to be normal anyway. So completely different philosophy, but McVay, I mean, texting yesterday, he's still here in the States. Like it's.

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 1:11:00Speaker 07

  And meanwhile, the Niners have basically been there for two months, it feels like.

• 1:11:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would argue that, that playing a football day game is a little bit different than attending a film premiere. And in terms of how much it demands from you physically. And I can, but I can see the philosophy of being like, you know what? Fuck this game. If the NFL wants us to go to Australia, I'm not going to dedicate 10 days and then risk, you know, the back half of that, when you come back to the United States and then you have to turn around and play the next weekend. I could see that being a big advantage for the Niners this weekend, a big disadvantage for them as they try to go back to the US and pick up their schedule. So maybe, maybe that's what McVay might be thinking because it doesn't, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me that you can just like, kind of get there and just rely on adrenaline to get you through that, that game.

• 1:11:45Speaker 07

  So I've got notes on this because I actually, I disagreed with it as well. And there's a guy named Leon Lack and he's one of the leading sports sleep experts. And I'm reading off my notes where he says their body clocks will likely not have changed very much in one day. And Lack said the reaction time and muscle strength of players is at its best late in the afternoon. And the Rams could go to bed early on Thursday night in Melbourne, wake up about 4:00 AM on Friday, which would be late morning Thursday at home, giving them something of a typical lead in they would normally have. And yet the 49ers body clocks would adjust to the local time throughout their week. And they'd be getting up at this unusual early morning start for a 10:30 game, which they've never played before. So it's basically like, we're just going to balls to the wall, go do this and get out of town while the Niners have been there.

• 1:12:30Speaker 07

  It's funny, the Niners thing also, the Niners will be doing all this NFL promotion for the game in Australia. So whereas I haven't heard it from the 49ers people, I have to think they're not only doing football stuff, but they're also wearing this like ambassador of football. And we're going to do all the NFL events and the international events where the Rams are like, no, we're getting in, we're going out, we're not, we're playing a football game. We're not here to do the song and dance.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah. Okay, that does, it does make sense. And I'm very interested to see how it all shakes out. If I'm the Rams, I would almost just say, like I'd, I'd put like blackout rules in effect. Once you get there, like, we're not even going to look at the sun. Maybe even just like put blindfolds on your guys and be like, we're going to simulate the time of day that I want it to be, that it's, it's Los Angeles. You're not allowed to look at the sun. You're not allowed to be in the sun until we get out there and we get, we show up at the field for game day.

• 1:13:19Speaker 07

  That's it. And, and it's, they play the Giants in, you know, a couple of days later and nine days later. And it's like Monday night football and we have, away we go. And then there's 16 more games.

• 1:13:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:13:28Speaker 07

  So it, it, the season doesn't stop for them once they play this game. But I think they are probably, feeling pretty confident after a great summer.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 07

  The one interest, I feel like I'm going a hundred miles per hour here, but I do want to call out, there's a, there's a reporter and like video guy, whatever, Grant Cohn out of San Francisco, who is very controversial amongst Niners fans because he's always, he's, he's an antagonist to the team and he'll criticize a lot and he'll be one of the guys in the media who actually takes on the team and the organization. He's been there for about five days doing content from Aussie Rules football games and being very serious about it and like shitting all over the local team and like killing their coach and doing all this stuff. It is incredible content. And I'm like, this is maybe the gift of these international games where we get our American reporters overseas and they're like, here are the keys, go and make content. And I, and I don't even know Grant Cohn and I know a lot of Niners fans are probably throwing,

• 1:14:22Speaker 07

  you know, their, their remote at the Netflix screen right now. But Grant Cohn is, is doing a fantastic job with content, just absolutely bashing the local Aussie Rules football team.

• 1:14:31Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 1:14:32Speaker 07

  And it's fun. It's cool.

• 1:14:32Speaker 00

  I love it. I love it. All right. So let's talk about the, the rest of the league. We're going to get your Super Bowl pick at the end, but before we do that, give me a AFC and NFC team that you think is going to surprise people this year, whether it be through things you've heard, people talking about it, scrimmages, you know, preseason games, which can't really take a lot out of, or something they added. Who, who, who do you have your eye on both AFC and NFC? Like people are not paying enough attention to this team.

• 1:15:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, NFC, I, I, I think the Giants are going to be very good. I, I, I know that's like kind of a Vogue pick and I'm in New York City and it's very easy for me to pander to the local fans and get a couple of new followers. That's not, I have been to practice, I have talked to the team, like it is night and day than what it's been the last decade since Coughlin left. They spent 14 days in West Virginia together, living in basically college dorm rooms out at the Greenbrier, all hanging out, breaking bread and like came together almost as if like one of these movies where, or surviving Barstool, if you will. Like you, you put it out there and you're like, all right, we're all going to be together and we're going to come together on the same page. And Harbaugh is just an adult in the room and they've been hitting, like they hit for two and a half hours, they're hitting in these practices. And I like Dart.

• 1:15:45Speaker 07

  I think Dart's legit. So I think the Giants, despite a very difficult schedule and a hard, you know, first two weeks, Cowboys and then Rams, I, I think the Giants are going to be back. I think they could be a double digit team this season.

• 1:15:57Speaker 00

  I'm with you on that. I think the Giants were a team last year that you looked at them, they, they were in so many games and just getting a little bit better on the edges. I mean, especially like special teams, that's what Harbaugh will do instantly. If Jackson Dart can stay healthy, I do think they're going to be a big improvement team.

• 1:16:13Speaker 07

  Yeah. And I would add that their defense has a lot of top 20 picks in that front seven and they just haven't come together. So you have the Abdul Carter, you have obviously Reese, who's been awesome as a middle linebacker for them. But then you also still have Brian Burns and Thibodeau, who are now veterans, but like are still awesome pass rushers when they get going. So the hope is it all comes together. And I don't know, I, just being around that team, it's interesting, you know, to get in the weeds a little bit. They have Matt Nagy as the offensive coordinator, which I'm sure you have your thoughts on. And you got Greg Roman, who's running like the run game. Then you've got Brian Callahan, who's working with the quarterbacks. Then you got, then you got a guy, it's actually, I'm going blank on the last name, but I don't know, I'm embarrassed.

• 1:16:56Speaker 07

  It's actually Kelly Stafford's brother.

• 1:16:59Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Chad Hall.

• 1:17:00Speaker 07

  Chad Hall. Chad's the man and he's coaching the wide receiver. So you have all these guys who have been in all these different systems with all these different quarterbacks and you're putting them all together as almost like a Frankenstein. And you might say, yeah, but Callahan wasn't a great coach and Nagy wasn't a great coach and Greg Roman's, you know, been let go of the last few places. That said, they've all had a lot of success in this league with great quarterbacks. So the hope is they all pour themselves into Dart and Dart can, you know, rise above with that. So I'm in on the Giants and Chad Hall, I'm sorry, that was embarrassing.

• 1:17:28Speaker 00

  No, that's all good. He's a good dude.

• 1:17:29Speaker 07

  Go clear at Air Force.

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, he's, he, he is, he's a very good wide receiver coach. All right, then AFC.

• 1:17:37Speaker 07

  AFC is different. I feel like it's so top-heavy in the AFC and there are so many good teams that you can pull one out of a hat and say, okay, well, that's your team. But the Cinderella team is a little bit more difficult to find. I'm not sure I'm jumping in on the Titans yet. I'm not sure I'm jumping in the Raiders yet. And I think you're looking for like, one of those off-the-radar squads. The team that I think is going to be actually significantly better, and that might actually hurt the fans' feelings based on what they want in the draft. I think the Cleveland Browns are going to be okay this year.

• 1:18:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I agree with that as well. Yeah.

• 1:18:06Speaker 07

  Like, two really good drafts in a row, solid defense. I know they traded Myles Garrett, but Jared verse is not this huge drop-off and is also an emotional leader and a leader in a way that I'm told is galvanizing everyone. So like, those players aren't looking to tank. And Monkin isn't starting Deshaun Watson because, you know, they're trying to lose games, starting Deshaun Watson because he outplayed Shador this summer. So I think Cleveland's going to be a pain in the ass. I think they might be pretty good. I'm talking like, seven, eight wins, better than they've been in the past. But I don't think there's a Patriots like last year where you go from the third overall pick to being a Super Bowl team.

• 1:18:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was looking at that win total for the Browns. I think it's five and a half. But with that defense, it is like, it's, and that schedule also is the other side of it. The schedule combined with how good that defense, they can win some games 13 to 10. And so I would not be shocked. It's hard to tank in the, I can't remember the last time that a team actively tried and accomplished tanking in the NFL.

• 1:19:01Speaker 07

  No, and the one year everyone thought the Jets were doing it, they beat the Rams in like, week 14 and it cost them Trevor Lawrence. Like, you don't get tanking because all these guys are fighting for their jobs and the coaches want to stay the coaches. So they don't tank. Like, it's hard to tell them. It's different than other sports.

• 1:19:16Speaker 00

  So what about, what about first-year head coaches? Guys that we haven't seen before? Which one of these guys do you think is going to be the most interesting or, or, you know, like, refreshing? Like, which guys are bringing something new to the table here?

• 1:19:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, you know, I look at Joe Brady, and he's got some shit to him. And he didn't just win that job or get that job because Josh Allen tapped him. They, they claim, and, you know, Brandon Bean is not only a friend of your show and a friend of McAfee's and talks quite a bit, but I can tell you straight up, Brandon Bean, the GM, said, "We tried to do as objective an interview process as possible. We had a bunch of different candidates. They all came through the door." And Dable had history with Josh Allen, and Davis Webb had history with Josh Allen, and Joe Brady blew the doors off. And Joe Brady was the guy. I think Joe Brady's going to be a really interesting one. And of course, Minter's the other one, based on the fact that it's the New York Knicks theory. That's how I look at it. It's like, everyone was like, well, why would they ever fire Thibodeau?

• 1:20:10Speaker 07

  He got, because the message got old and we need to try something different while we have this young core. And Mike Brown happened to be the guy that got him over the hump. I think both Minter and Joe Brady, the hope is that new, fresh, younger voices can get these guys where they have to be.

• 1:20:23Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Okay, uh, give us, you know what? Let's just do your Super Bowl pick. Do you have it already? Because I've, speaking of the Bills, a second ago with Joe Brady, I'm toying with, we're going to do our Super Bowl picks in our preview, actually in this episode that you're listening to right now.

• 1:20:39Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:20:40Speaker 00

  But I'm toying with the idea of the Bills. I know that that is, I think there's probably a laundry list of people in the media who've picked the Bills in the last seven years.

• 1:20:49Speaker 07

  Can't worry about that. Can't worry about it.

• 1:20:50Speaker 00

  And I'm doing it not, maybe not even because of Joe Brady, who I think is going to be very good, but I'm doing it because of my guy, Jim Leonard, a defensive coordinator, who I think is an unknown in terms of, like, how high he can take this team. The ceiling might be unknown in terms of defense.

• 1:21:04Speaker 07

  Wisconsin fans absolutely love Jim Leonard.

• 1:21:06Speaker 00

  I love him. He was my favorite Badger when I was at, we were at school at the same time. He's, he's just, you know, a walk-on, just did everything, had an unbelievable, you know, NFL career, given the fact that he was a walk-on, now a coach, all these things. Love Jim Leonard. So I'm toying with the Bills, but you have, what was your streak that you had?

• 1:21:23Speaker 07

  I did really well. I, like, over the course of six years, I either got the exact matchup and the Super Bowl winner right, or I got the matchup and not the Super Bowl winner right, or I just got the Super Bowl winner right. And then last year, I swung and missed. My first year at ESPN, I come in with all this pomp and circumstance, and I'm like, it's going to be Eagles, Bills, and it's going to, and then...

• 1:21:41Speaker 00

  Last year was a tough year. I mean, I don't think anyone had the Seahawks and the Patriots playing in the Super Bowl.

• 1:21:46Speaker 07

  No, and I, and I, and it kind of made me want to this year, like, really swing for the fences, like, out of my shoes and do something crazy. And the more I look at it, I'm like, I just don't see it this year. I feel like there's a lot of teams chomping at the bit. So, I'd like to do it on your show. Why not? I was going to save it. Let's do it on your, oh shit. NFC, it's, it's two teams for me, and it's the rest of the world. It's Rams versus Seahawks. And I had a clip on McAfee last week where I did a whole spiel about the Seahawks and how everyone's talking about the Rams. We had a segment on Get Up basically saying, is it the Rams or the field? And I almost couldn't even fathom stepping on set with that conversation considering the Seahawks won. Seahawks have been sitting quiet in the Pacific Northwest, and all the Rams fans are coming after me like, you're a traitor, you know, you're McVay's guy, you've been with us all along. I'm like, I'm

• 1:22:29Speaker 07

  not, I'm, I don't play for either team, and I don't care about either team. And yet, the more I look at it, the only thing that holds me back on the Rams, the only thing is that I, knock on wood, I fear what happens if they have health issues at the quarterback position. If Stafford goes down, they are not, they are not equipped. Last year, they had Jimmy G, and they didn't need him. But Jimmy G can win you games. And this year, right now, it's Stetson Bennett and Ty Simpson. And that, that gives me a lot of fear if I'm a Rams fan. So let's hope Stafford is standing up. Out of the NFC, I think the Rams are going to win that thing. Yeah.

• 1:23:05Speaker 00

  Come back home, Peter. He's always going to fuck you, Peter, all right? Listen.

• 1:23:08Speaker 07

  Come back home. And I, and I apologize to Adam Ray and Jeffrey Dean Morgan and all the other nuts, Seattle Seahawks fans who are liking my video about the Rams getting too much hype. I just, I just think they're so damn good. And I think Garrett and McDuffie are two of the best offensive players in football. And then you add in Donald, which I don't know what version we're getting, but...

• 1:23:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, we have to think about that, because it's, it's hard to come back after two seasons. Like, there's, there's being in great shape. I'm sure he's in great shape. But you see a lot of guys, they, they get out of the league and, you know, it's good for them. They lose a lot of weight, get that, get that body fat percentage down a little bit. Like, has he, is he going to be able to jump back into the trenches where you have to be, you know, big, strong, and used to violent physical contact?

• 1:23:48Speaker 07

  I don't know if it's going to look great right away, honestly. And, and from what I, I'm like, what I'm told is like, Labor Day, they're not allowed in the building this whole weekend. So like, he didn't practice necessarily the first day. He was back on the Rams with the team. He hasn't been hitting with them the last couple of days. So, do you roll out, you know, how many snaps, week one? You're playing against the Niners. Does he play 20 snaps? Does he play 10 snaps? Or is he out there for 60 snaps? And Sean hasn't given a real indication. And anyone who tells you that there is a plan and they know the plan, that's not been shared to anyone. So, I, I don't know. And we'll see what version we get. But over time, I would imagine Aaron Donald's going to make an impact down, you know, especially next to Garrett.

• 1:24:24Speaker 00

  My, my biggest knock on the Rams is just that super teams and the most obvious team never wins. And, but that's not really a, not, like, that has nothing to do with football. That's an idiotic thing to say.

• 1:24:34Speaker 07

  Right? Right?

• 1:24:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:24:35Speaker 07

  And they're counter to me, because I, I've been kind of saying that, is, I know it wasn't dubbed a super team, but when we went out and traded for Von Miller, and we went out and traded for Dante Fowler, and we went out and traded for Jalen Ramsey, we went out and traded for Odell Beckham. Like, we made all these moves. Like, that wasn't considered a super team in 2021, but we collected a bunch of assets and did win the Super Bowl. I get it. Yeah.

• 1:24:58Speaker 00

  Okay, and then the AFC?

• 1:25:00Speaker 07

  AFC, I'm debating between two teams.

• 1:25:03Speaker 00

  Let's talk it out.

• 1:25:04Speaker 07

  Let's go. The Houston Texans are so good.

• 1:25:07Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:25:08Speaker 07

  And they are so good on defense.

• 1:25:10Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:25:10Speaker 07

  And that quarterback held them back last year when it mattered most. And you have to think if they can, it's almost the inverse of the Cowboys. If you can get the offense a little bit better, closer to somewhat good, like, you're talking Super Bowl championship type team. That's the Cowboys and their defense. Now, the Texans and their offense, they add David Montgomery, who we love. They have a Tank Dell coming back. We've got a couple of young players, a new tight end that they drafted. Like, they're excited about it. Kalen Rutledge, good on the offensive line. I just can't get there yet with them. I feel like they need to knock on the door one more year, and then it's like, the following year is their year. The team that I'm going with out of the AFC, similar to your Buffalo Bills, I'm just saying, fuck it, I'm going Baltimore Ravens.

• 1:25:52Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 1:25:53Speaker 07

  They're there. They are there. They have the talent, they have the leadership, they have the hunger. And this is my, my New York Knicks theory on them. Harbaugh was fantastic for what it was, and it may have run its course. And for 31 other teams, Harbaugh might be the best coach in all of football. But for that group of men and that organization, they needed a fresh voice. And they bring in Jesse Minter, who's been there before. And they bring in Declan Doyle, who's 29 years old, and I'm told has, has an awesome relationship with Lamar already. And I'm just banking on the fact that the talent's always been there. They just needed to get a couple of changes to get over the hump. And then the coaching is going to be what it is. So, I'm going with Rams versus Ravens. And when it's all said and done...

• 1:26:37Speaker 07

  I've got the Rams winning at home again in the Super Bowl.

• 1:26:39Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:26:40Speaker 03

  I thought you were gonna suck up to, to Stavi there for a second.

• 1:26:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's just straight Sean McVay. You're just, come on, dude.

• 1:26:46Speaker 03

  He's pretty good. Yeah, Rams guy.

• 1:26:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:48Speaker 07

  That's it, Rams guy.

• 1:26:49Speaker 00

  I like the Ravens. I mean,

• 1:26:51Speaker 07

  No one's picking them, right?

• 1:26:52Speaker 00

  It's, it's, it's an interesting thing. Yeah. Cause I think it's, it just was, it was so weird at the end. And Lamar, the last couple of years, the like injuries where it has, he hasn't like missed a ton of time. I think there's a little bit overblown. It's more that when Lamar is out, it's always a conversation because there's been just weird shit and there's such a drop off when he's out. But yeah, I mean, the Ravens are, I mean, a couple of years ago, they were, they were the best team in the, you know what I mean? They had the one seed.

• 1:27:20Speaker 07

  Legereous knee doesn't knock that ball out of Dave Flowers' hands. They probably, I don't know if they win the game, but they held their defense held the Chiefs that day.

• 1:27:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:29Speaker 07

  And their offense just couldn't do anything. They couldn't move the ball. They abandoned the run completely. It cost Roman his job, basically. And Monkin got them going and now the hope is Declan Doyle does.

• 1:27:37Speaker 00

  And I'm, I'm done predicting when Derrick Henry's gonna fall off. I've tried that a couple of times and then he just like,

• 1:27:43Speaker 07

  It's like, you know, saying that this is the year he's gonna fall off a cliff. It doesn't happen.

• 1:27:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. He'll have like a couple, he'll have a couple of bad games and then everyone will be like, oh shit. And myself included. And then it'd be like, oh no, wait. He's still like an absolute monster that could just roll over people.

• 1:27:57Speaker 03

  I also, I have to imagine that Declan Doyle, when he was talking about getting the job, a, a big part of it was like identify, uh, Derrick Henry from this lineup of people. So you don't forget about him. Like, because that was, it was a unique experience watching Ravens games sometimes where it's like, the biggest, most physically imposing guy on that sidelines with the biggest track record of getting better in games as they go on.

• 1:28:18Speaker 07

  Like LaDainian Tomlinson in that game against the Patriots.

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  They just, yeah, they just forgot about him. So I mean, I, I have to imagine that that's a pretty big part of the, uh, the new offense's game plan. It's like, use that dude.

• 1:28:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, use that dude. And on defense, Anthony Weaver interviewed for a few jobs. He was a Dolphins defensive coordinator last year. So you're like, ah, who, one of the most intense, beloved, defensive coaches in football, former player, played for the Texans, played for a couple of other teams. And I was around that team a little bit this off season. Weaver is just on a hundred at all times. And it's like, if you just get a couple of different voices and you get a little bit different of a feel, that might be all it takes for that team to get over the hump. And again, for the third time, I'll say, having watched the Knicks do this exact thing where everyone's like, why would they ever get rid of that coach? Well, it's because they were running against the same wall year after year. Let's try a fresh new voice. And I think Minter and Doyle and Weaver,

• 1:29:13Speaker 07

  and then Anthony Levine, senior, who's their special teams coach, might be those voices.

• 1:29:18Speaker 03

  Okay. Let me ask you one more question, Peter, uh, because it's about a team that I think a lot of people are confused. There's high expectations, just like there have been every year, I feel like for the last six years or five years in Cincinnati. And it, it feels like this might be getting to a point where if it doesn't work out this year, there's gonna be some major changes. Um, I mean, obviously a lot depends on Joe Burrow and how healthy he stays. But outside of that, outside Burrow's health, where do you see the Bengals finishing this year?

• 1:29:46Speaker 07

  Playoff team. Yeah. They return 11 starters on offense. They brought in Dexter Lawrence. They added, obviously, I mean, I can go through all the names. They added the, you know, the defensive back, Brian Cook. They added Boye Mafé. And everyone's like, oh, it's make or break year for Burrow. If they don't win, then it's, he's gonna wanna get out of there. And it's a make or break year for Zach Taylor. Remember now, their owner's 92 years old, goes to practice every day and is still very much a part of this team. And his daughter and his granddaughter are very involved too. And Duke Tobin, who's been the GM, has been there for about 30 years also. So this is not a team that just tears it all down and starts anew. This is a team that believes in loyalty and a team that really trusts what they have in store.

• 1:30:29Speaker 07

  Now Marvin Lewis eventually lost his job. Zach Taylor took over. But they're kinda hitting that same point right now. And I would think with 11 returning starters on offense and a really good defense, and two of the best players in all of football in Burrow and Chase, that they are a playoff team in the AFC.

• 1:30:46Speaker 00

  Okay. What about a team, uh, that everyone is high on that you're not as high on? Let's do some negative talk.

• 1:30:53Speaker 07

  Yeah. This is not where I usually, uh,

• 1:30:55Speaker 00

  I know, I'm gonna make you uncomfortable, but you know what? You gotta get ready. We're, you're doing a show every single day. You're gonna have to say some negative stuff.

• 1:31:02Speaker 07

  I know. I'm, I'm curious to see what we get from the Philadelphia Eagles.

• 1:31:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, no.

• 1:31:11Speaker 03

  Like, that's not bad. I'm very curious.

• 1:31:13Speaker 00

  We're curious. He's finally back.

• 1:31:16Speaker 06

  You, you said something very interesting about the Houston Texans there.

• 1:31:19Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:31:20Speaker 06

  That they have a really good defense and that their defense is Super Bowl caliber. And if they can get anything from their offense, they can win a Super Bowl. What about that doesn't describe the Philadelphia Eagles?

• 1:31:29Speaker 00

  He just says he's curious.

• 1:31:30Speaker 03

  He said he's curious.

• 1:31:31Speaker 07

  Here's what I'll say. And here's what I'll say. They interviewed 17 different offensive coordinators and they went with Sean Mannion.

• 1:31:38Speaker 03

  That's a lot of interviews.

• 1:31:38Speaker 00

  That's a lot of interviews. How many did you guys do, PFT?

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  Oh, I mean, we had our guy in-house, David Blau. The future is Blau. That's what you're saying. But wait, Max, you, you gotta chill out. The season hasn't started yet. He's not angry.

• 1:31:51Speaker 00

  He literally just stepped off of a, a boat from Italy.

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  It hasn't, it hasn't started. He's not being negative about the, he's fly curious. He's curious.

• 1:32:02Speaker 06

  The defense, the defense is there. The defense is there. The offense is question marks.

• 1:32:06Speaker 07

  It is there. There are some players that aren't there this year that have moved on to different spots.

• 1:32:12Speaker 06

  But there are new players there that are really good players. They have, Rick Woon's a very good player. John Harrell, very good player.

• 1:32:17Speaker 00

  They have a lot of guys who play in the NFL, Peter. You forgot about that.

• 1:32:21Speaker 07

  And I'll tell you this, I, talking to guys there, like, I was like, well, Stoutland's a huge loss. And they're like, yes, but Cooper's been great. And also this offensive line looks fantastic right now. So that was another fear of mine. So Mannion not having any play calling experience, kinda being a first time play caller in Philly with that spotlight. No AJ Brown, the pressure now of, hey, we had to do this because of the, you know, the relationship, whatever. But all right, we're relying now on a bunch of guys, Hollywood Brown and Dontavion Wicks and Kai Lemon in year one. These are legit questions. And I just, I, the Eagles to me have always been, take a pen, put them in the playoffs. They're straight. They're good. That's one team that you know is going there. I just think this year, I'm curious to see year one with a first time play caller at offensive coordinator.

• 1:33:04Speaker 00

  All right. I got another team I'm curious about and maybe you can give us some in- insight. Uh, is Patrick Mahomes just gonna be like totally fine week one? Because I don't believe it. And it's not that I don't think the Chiefs can be good this year. I think their defense has, has gotten younger. Um, I still don't know. I mean, I love the Kenneth Walker ad. I still don't know what to expect from their wide receivers, but it all relies on Patrick Mahomes. And this guy got injured. He tore his ACL, what, nine months ago? And yes, he is superhuman. And yes, when healthy, he's the best quarterback in the NFL. But are we, like, what have you been hearing? Is he going to be just fine Monday night against the Broncos when they open up the season?

• 1:33:44Speaker 07

  Apparently yes. And again, I have doubts also. And that team as a whole going six and 11 last year, losing all the close games when they usually typically win those close games. Did they do enough to just say, well, that was a one-year blip? They got older everywhere. And then they totally tore down the defense, drafted four guys with their first four picks on defense. They're like, all four of those guys are gonna play a role, you know, we're throwing them all right into the mix. Traded McDuffie. Like, there's a lot not to like. I, I've learned in all these years to not doubt Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. So I would say I'm leaning more towards wild card team than out of the playoffs.

• 1:34:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:19Speaker 07

  But there's a lot of questions and, uh, you know, Mahomes' health is the last of them. To me, it's, this is an offensive line that left a lot to be desired. Spent a lot of money on Kenneth Walker, who was never really the primary guy in Seattle. And you're just assuming that, hey, this defensive backfield, which was completely gutted over the off season is gonna be okay because they drafted a guy sixth overall and they brought in some other guys. So I don't know. I, I, I trust that building. I trust that team. I trust that coach and I trust Bagnolo. Um, but I'm usually like, Chiefs, Super Bowl, let's go. I, I can't do that.

• 1:34:51Speaker 00

  All right. So it's okay to be curious. That's what I mean. So loaded, the West is gonna be, I mean, the Broncos are a really, really good team. It's gonna be, what, what Bo Nix, can he take another leap? The Chargers, it's, I feel like every year the Chargers is like, hey, if they can stay healthy and they can protect Justin Herbert. Right. It's so, it's, there's some good teams there. It's, it's, it's like, man, are the Chiefs, are they gonna miss the playoffs two years in a row? That would be kinda crazy.

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  I, I did see Tyreek Hill's last three tweets and, and he's been off Twitter for the most part this off season, I guess, uh, working on his health. His last three tweets were, hmm. And then, uh, the tweet after that was a quote tweet of, uh, Patrick, uh, Mahomes throwing him that touchdown pass in the playoffs against the Bills, uh, when they're down 26 to 29. And I said, Pat, a wild boy for even throwing this. And then today, he tweeted out again, hmm. So I ask you, if you're Tyreek Hill, Are you thinking about coming back to the Chiefs? And do you think the Chiefs would have him?

• 1:35:51Speaker 07

  Yes, I think it's all very possible. Let's see where his health at. I'll tell you this, for all the star players that leave teams and get traded, the one relationship that I always found cool was that the Chiefs guys still loved Tyreek Hill. And that's when they played against him in a playoff game, couple of years later, the hugs before the game and all that. But Brett Veach, Andy Reid, to a man, none of those guys ever spoke ill of Tyreek Hill. They're basically like, he wants to get paid. We're not looking to pay him that. We're going to trade him to a destination he wants to go. Miami was the place. And in return, they basically filled out an entire draft class. That ended up being Carl Aftis and McDuffie and all those guys that they got in that loaded 2022 draft, I think. I think the fact that they drafted him in the sixth round and he was a running back in college and he had this career in Kansas City.

• 1:36:36Speaker 07

  I think there's a lot of love for Andy and Veach, for Tyreek Hill. I don't think they're going to go down that road unless A, he's healthy and B, they feel like there's a need for what Tyreek Hill can bring. So let's wait on it, but I certainly wouldn't close the door. I would love that reunion. And it's almost like Odell coming back to the Giants. Like there was no greater player when he was on his game than Tyreek Hill for the Kansas City Chiefs. And the hope is that maybe he can end this career with a chapter or have another couple of years to this career with a couple of chapters with the Kansas City Chiefs.

• 1:37:05Speaker 03

  I would agree with that. I'm going to give you the opportunity to make one of us hate you on this show, if that's okay.

• 1:37:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:37:10Speaker 03

  So at the, at the end of the season, if we look at the three quarterbacks that Hank, Big Cat, myself took in the draft a couple of years ago, which quarterback are we going to say, uh, turned it up the most this year? Showed the most improvement, most upside. Which quarterback are we going to say, uh, we might want to be having some uncomfortable conversations about that quarterback within the next year or two?

• 1:37:34Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:37:36Speaker 07

  I don't know how much further a huge leap Drake May can make when you go from being, uh, you know, a quarterback who didn't do it all his rookie year, then all of a sudden be second in MVP and almost win that award. So I think as far as the delta goes, I don't think you're going to get another huge leap out of Drake May in year two out of Josh McDaniels. I do think Caleb has a lot more he can do. So I'm going to say Caleb's going to be the one that's going to hit these new ceilings. And Jaden, I'm just curious, see what this team looks like. I'm sorry, I love you. I, I just, David Blau is also a 30-year-old first-time coordinator calling plays. They lose Tunzel and Stefan Diggs and McLaurin. I, I, I'm not sure that this is the best situation for a huge year for Jaden Daniels.

• 1:38:18Speaker 07

  And if he does it, PFT, I would think this guy is an MVP candidate.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  I would make the argument, I, I, I, by the way, I kind of agree with the premise of what you're saying, that we don't know what the offense is going to look like. And last year did not give us a, a ton of room to hope after watching, you know, he was only, I think, healthy for like three or four games last year. Not a lot of good stuff to say about last season. So I kind of agree with the premise that you're saying, but I would say that the team offensively is more talented than it was when we got to the NFC Championship game.

• 1:38:46Speaker 07

  Fair. Fair. And that team had a lot of older veterans and guys that were like brought in as like, you know, emotional locker room leaders and ended up playing in an NFC Championship game that no one expected. So fair. And look, you see the league, like Washington, if Jaden's good, like they're, they're competing with everyone. Last year they went 0-8 in primetime games. You watched every one of them, it sucked.

• 1:39:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was terrible.

• 1:39:08Speaker 07

  It was just unfortunate. So I don't know, I have a lot of love for that team. I feel like they have a lot of good, you know, young players. I just don't know if they're going to be in the mix this season.

• 1:39:16Speaker 03

  That's fair. And then what about, uh, what about the NFC South? Cause I feel like that's a division that is wide open.

• 1:39:23Speaker 07

  Yeah. I, I always like lean on just like Baker Mayfield's the best quarterback in that division. So I feel like, you know, Tampa's going to be in the mix. I know they lost Mike Evans, but last year it came down to the final game. Obviously they beat Carolina, but then due to tiebreaker, Carolina gets in. To me, you pick your team. There's four of them, obviously. If two is good, the Falcons can do it. If Tyler Shuck takes this huge leap, they can do it. And then obviously Carolina and Tampa. There's going to be a 10 and seven or nine and eight winner of that division. They're going to have the four seed and they're going to play in the playoffs at home, one game. Then we'll see what happens from there. It's what it is every year.

• 1:39:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:58Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's fair. All right, uh, Peter, I got one last question for you. It's actually Zach's question. Zach's going to take it. Roback question, R H O B A C K dot com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com, promo code TAKE. Zach, you ready?

• 1:40:15Speaker 04

  Yes, sir. Uh, Peter, I did have a quick question for you. If Roger Goodell were to be deemed unfit tomorrow to do his job, you're appointed commissioner of the NFL. What's our first thing, first order of business? You step into the office, what are you getting done?

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  Ooh, good question, Zach.

• 1:40:33Speaker 07

  Great question. This is a crazy answer and it, and my friend Adam Weinberg, who I grew up with, all right? Nice boy. He brought this up to me a couple of months ago. We've been talking about it. The first thing I would do is I would institute an NFL draft lottery.

• 1:40:50Speaker 07

  I would do an NFL draft lottery and this is the year I think this would be the perfect reason for it. You've got all these teams with these multiple first round picks with these great quarterbacks, whether it be Manning or Moore, C.J. Carr, you name whoever it is, Chambliss. There is going to be a quarterback frenzy. There are some bad rosters, Cardinals, Dolphins, Jets, you could say the Browns. They all are jockeying for who's going to get that first. A draft lottery like the NBA has, of course, we can make it into a massive TV event. Again, I'm citing my friend Adam. This is not my idea, but I love it. Do this in between, instead of the Pro Bowl, do this in between the last week of the playoffs before the Super Bowl.

• 1:41:31Speaker 07

  You captivate an audience, do it in Vegas, do it at the Barstool Chicago offices, do it somewhere fun. And you all of a sudden have this, you get rid of the tanking, but you have this little extra wrinkle that you can make on this thing and you can do it. So, okay, we're not even talking about tanking. And also it's another cool, fun event and it's a way to, you know, throw this whole league upside down again and get the fans engaged, even if your team misses the playoffs.

• 1:41:56Speaker 00

  I hate it. Uh, but hey, listen, you took a shot.

• 1:41:59Speaker 07

  Why do you hate it?

• 1:42:01Speaker 00

  Why do you hate it? I don't know. I, I like, if you're really, really bad, if you win two games, the NFL, you should have the number one pick. That's such a miserable experience to lose that many games. Like you should have the number one pick. You shouldn't have, you shouldn't, if you win two games, then somehow lottery luck goes against you and you end up with the fifth pick. That would be devastating.

• 1:42:22Speaker 07

  But what if you weigh the balls in a certain way where you make it where it's like very advantageous for those?

• 1:42:28Speaker 00

  Of course. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:30Speaker 07

  And so there's even a, like to me, you know, I look at it, I'm like, all right. So the Dolphins are going to go two and 15 this year, then they just get gifted Arch Manning. And it's like, well, their coach already, Hafley's like, we're going to play hard, we're going to try and everything. But like, look at the roster. It's just, if you have a lottery, it's all right. You have to go out and try to do everything. You might as well. And then by the way, it's the Ravens or the Steelers might get the first overall pick instead. Sorry.

• 1:42:55Speaker 00

  So I think the difference with the NFL is that having the first overall pick and picking the first overall quarterback still doesn't mean the quarterback's going to be great. And that's the beauty of it is like there's, the picking quarterbacks, the NFL is so fucking hard to do that it's like already, you're already kind of gambling on the fact that like you, you could have a great pick, but you could, you could pick the wrong core. You give the third pick, you have the fourth pick, you like, you could still pick the wrong quarterback or, or the, or things could go wrong. So I'm fine with how it is. I would say no more international games. That would be my first rule if I was, if I was Goodell for a day.

• 1:43:29Speaker 07

  You know, I read something today that like the NFL, you know, Goodell just got a new deal until 2031. And there's, it's incentive based, which means the more money the NFL makes, the more money he makes. And I think a lot of those incentives are tied in the global expansion of this game. And it's flag football, boys and girls, and it's international. So I, I, Big Cat, I hear you. I, I don't love the fact that we're doing a Wednesday, Thursday, Monday, then we have, I don't love it. A traditionalist, if you will.

• 1:43:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:43:59Speaker 07

  That said, they want this golden goose to keep on.

• 1:44:04Speaker 00

  I get it. This, I think there is an actual like argument to be made about the scarcity of the NFL and why it's so popular. And we are going to eventually screw that up when it's like you put a game on every single night.

• 1:44:18Speaker 07

  Like Mark Cuban's argument, right?

• 1:44:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I, listen, he was, he said that like 10 years ago, couldn't have been more wrong.

• 1:44:23Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:44:24Speaker 00

  And I'm going to watch it, but I, I do think that when you take like, you know, whether it be the Black Friday, like traditional spots that are for college football or other sports, and you start just gobbling them all up, I think it does, and it also makes it, you know, what it does too is like, we, we talk about it, but like you have to load the, the Christmas day, right? You have to load that slate. Guess what happens? That Sunday, you have like six matchups and they all kind of stink. Like I don't, I don't know. I just.

• 1:44:50Speaker 03

  My, my argument would be more towards, I think they need, obviously Roger Goodell's job is to try to acquire new fans of the NFL. Like the NFL is the biggest sport in America. So if you really want to make more money for the leagues and for the owners and make the franchises worth more money, guess what they want you to do? Get more eyes watching football. And the way to do that would be to look to other countries because you look like in the United States. It's almost close to saturation.

• 1:45:16Speaker 07

  Right?

• 1:45:16Speaker 03

  For what you can do. But as you do that, I still think you run a very real risk of making diehard fans that in the past like, uh, lived and breathed and bled and, and, and pissed and jizzed the NFL. You run the risk of having them, you know.

• 1:45:30Speaker 07

  My light went off when you said pissed and jizzed.

• 1:45:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, so Warren Zevon lyric, look up. But if you get into that, like you do run the, the risk of losing that fan base a little bit. And they are really the ones that, you know, are, are the most valuable customers to have. The ones that in the, in the past historically have bought all the tickets, bought the Sunday tickets, you know, gone, gone to the ends of the earth to watch their favorite team and to watch the NFL. And I feel like that fan base is going to get neglected as Goodell tries to keep expanding internationally. That's all I'm saying.

• 1:46:02Speaker 07

  I, I a hundred percent, I totally get that. And I think the one o'clock window. Becomes now, all right, those are the, you know, the, the games that I don't necessarily think, you know, are primetime worthy and it's not going to be Thursday, Sunday, Monday. In this case, these holiday games, and that's really the risk you run, that Sunday window. It's all fair. I've said this on your show before, I'll say it again. I used to work on the Fox pregame show for many years. I would fly out to LA and do the Fox pregame show. If you've got football games every morning at nine 30 AM on the East Coast, you know, international games, I'm not some like, I don't, I don't have like so much feeling where it's like, I can't, I can't believe that we're not going to have Nate Burleson and, you know,

• 1:46:43Speaker 07

  Russell Wilson talking about the game at 12, but you do run the risk of people completely being done with these pregame shows.

• 1:46:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:51Speaker 07

  Why would you ever watch a pregame show when an actual game is going on?

• 1:46:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, that's very true. And I do, I got one last, last question for you because it just popped up. We did have, we haven't really talked about that much on the show because quite frankly, we're idiots and feel like sometimes we're not equipped to talk about like serious things. But the study that came out recently about, about brain health in NFL players. And where they look back at the numbers of people that donated their brains. Is that something that Goodell's looking, is that why we're looking at flag football moving forward? Like he's getting heavily invested in that. Where do you think Goodell stands on that? Because I do see that as a possible threat to the future of the league too.

• 1:47:26Speaker 07

  I, I mean, they have a whole health and safety team, obviously that are working on it. It's why you've seen so many rule changes. I will say this, to the league's credit, and you might say, oh, you're just talking to the league talking points. They said with this new dynamic kickoff last year, concussions went up. They didn't like that. So they've got to figure something out and say, okay, not all these rule changes are necessarily, you know, great for health and safety right out the gates. So let's see what we can do with that. I think the flag football obviously is, they want more people and I want boys and girls. And I think the trickle down effect of, you know, you go to Long Island at any weekend out in Syosset or Roslyn, there's, you know, 60 different fields of girls playing flag football. The trickle down effect is, oh, I love this sport Sunday.

• 1:48:09Speaker 07

  Whereas maybe in generations prior, those girls aren't sitting home on the couch, watching football. They are now because they look at themselves as the next Diana Flores or the, you know, Ashley Klam or whoever these other young female superstars in the flag football world are. So I think that is two-pronged, yes, health and safety, but also you're talking about new audience, an entirely untapped resource of young girls across America who can play in college football and then can eventually be fans for life.

• 1:48:38Speaker 00

  I do like the idea of like a big meeting at the NFL headquarters and they're like, we have 50% of, of the country is football fans. How do we get another 50%? Oh shit, we get women too. All right, Peter, you're the best. Everyone tune into his show on Thursday.

• 1:48:55Speaker 00

  Can't be, couldn't be happier for you, man. You're gonna crush it. And if you ever need Zach on the show, we'll allow Zach on it. PFT, we're not gonna do it, but Zach will definitely come on.

• 1:49:05Speaker 07

  I, I, I appreciate it. This is for all the different ESPN conversations you guys had. I'm gonna carry that torch and try to get it to the finish line. It hasn't premiered yet, but we're hoping that we can get there.

• 1:49:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:49:14Speaker 07

  But I hope you last longer than one show.

• 1:49:15Speaker 00

  It would actually be really funny if you got canceled. It wouldn't be funny if you got canceled in a month. It would be funny if you got canceled in one day. That's what I'll say.

• 1:49:22Speaker 07

  One day is good.

• 1:49:23Speaker 00

  One day is funny. One month is not good. One day is very fun.

• 1:49:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, you can, you can't have, but Brandon Walker, he'll go on ESPN.

• 1:49:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, you can get Brandon anytime you want.

• 1:49:31Speaker 07

  I heard he's on the Eisen show.

• 1:49:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, you got him. All right.

• 1:49:35Speaker 07

  Not with Eisen though, it's like another.

• 1:49:36Speaker 00

  By the bones. All right, drinks. You're the best. Thanks so much, man.

• 1:49:41Speaker 03

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• 1:53:02Speaker 00

  And then, you know, you get to the last three, four months rehab and you start feeling better and then you put the pads on. It's, you know, it's been, it's definitely helped me find myself again and, um, you know, get back out there and feel comfortable. Yeah. How good was that first piece of contact that you got this year? Yeah, it was fun. I mean, obviously we, I played a little bit in the first preseason game, but just simply going against these guys in practice, um, you know, Coach Harv is brings a physical mindset. So, um, practicing with pads on every day during training camp almost. And, you know, constantly hitting each other and, you know, it's, it's time for, it's time to hit somebody new. So I'm excited to see what's going on Sunday. We had a, we, we had Coach Gruden on the show not too long ago.

• 1:53:44Speaker 00

  And at one point, I think he had Mike Alstott and Lorenzo Neal on his team. And they had rules and, and at some point he had to just be like, all right, Mike, you're not allowed to hit people anymore. We can't have you doing that in practice. Are there any rules for you in terms of like, how much contact you're allowed to dole out in a, uh, inner squad practice? Yeah. I mean, they don't, we, we take care of each other as much as possible, but, uh, you know, there's the guys on the defense this year, six foot three and all above. So, um, if they can't take a hit from a five, 10 guy, then I don't know what to tell you. You know, they don't try to hold me back. We take care of each other. We try not to hurt each other. We try not to do too much. There's a couple of days where we pop here and there, but, um, for the most part, we got a, we got a pretty good defense. So I don't think they shy away from anything.

• 1:54:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, so your, your career is fascinating. You obviously like famously zero stars coming out of high school. Just love ball. So the, the first year you're coming out of high school, you're not, you're not getting division one, like the big time division one offers and all that stuff. Was there ever a moment where you're like, I maybe, maybe I'm just not going to be playing college football? Or you're like, no, I'm playing somewhere and it's going to be Sacramento State to start. But was that, did that ever enter your head? Like this is the end of my football career? No, I never, never entered my head, um, that I was going to be done. I think it was the Juco route was, you know, the next step. Um, and then I went to campus, Sac State and Coach Taylor offered me and I knew I was gonna end up there. You know, I actually got offered by Sac State and my dad looked at me and was like, you're not going there.

• 1:55:14Speaker 00

  Like we're going Juco. And I was like, ah, and then they went like 12 and two the year before I got there. Like maybe we should go there. It'd be a good little step, you know? So, I mean, if, if Troy Taylor never left us, you know, Sac State, I probably would, would have still been there all four years. But, you know, he took his, took his talent somewhere else and I chose to do the same. And, you know, that was the best move of my career. Yeah. And it's incredible, like watching you at Arizona State your last year was awesome to watch that, you know, the, the Peach Bowl was one of the, the best performances, like to see, I know obviously it didn't end well for you guys, but you put it all out there. Um, did you, during the Peach Bowl, when you're puking, are you, do you realize like that they're just zooming in on you the whole entire time?

• 1:55:58Speaker 00

  Like you became a cult figure when it's like throwing a touchdown, running for a touchdown, then getting on the sideline, puking everywhere. Yeah, I mean, I had no clue. Um, you know, obviously I knew I was on the camera because I was kind of going crazy, but I didn't know they were going to get catch me, you know, throwing up on the sidelines. Um, usually when you get to the bench area, there's a, there's a snippet of you here and there, but I didn't think they were going to shoot a 45 second clip of me just puking all over the place. So, um, if you, if you watch that drive, I had like seven carries in a row, back to back to back, straight up the middle. So, um, usually when that happens, you don't feel too good after. So, you know, I had to come out, come out and let it out a little bit. Yeah, it was awesome. Do you, do you throw up during games a lot? I know some guys, that's like their thing even before a game.

• 1:56:42Speaker 00

  That's my first time. That was my first time I ever threw up before, during a game. Um, you know, I, I don't, I'm not a big eater before a game. Like I'll eat what I need to before the game and um, get some food in me, but I don't, I don't ever feel like I need to throw up during a game, you know, I get really tired, but you know, workouts and stuff have never really pushed me to the point of throwing up or puking. Yeah. So Big Cat was talking about Sac State and, and uh, how good you were as a, a college running back. I think Jerome Bettis uh, just kind of anointed you when he saw you run for the first time, said, this guy's going to be really good. Um, when you get there, was there ever any college coach that, that, that saw you and tried to turn you into a linebacker? Cause I think about that with, with Derrick Henry sometimes, like, you know, guys that, that have a big physical style.

• 1:57:27Speaker 00

  A lot of times a defense coordinator will see a guy like that and be like, I could use that dude on this side of the ball. Did anybody try to do that with you? Yeah, I mean, you know, there's, I'm sure coaches think that as I was earlier in my career and col- in college and stuff, but you know, as I, as I, I think the defensive coach realized what I did with the ball in my hands and was like, you know, that's where he's supposed to be. Um, I would say, I always said, if I was six foot or six one, maybe I'd have played linebacker, but I'm just too short to play the position. Um, I'm, I'm tough enough. I hit hard enough, but it's just not for me. I can't see over those big old dudes trying to read the running back and read the pass. I just get through it. So it's, it's not, not something I was ever interested in. I did play when I was little, but um, no coaches ever tried to push me too hard.

• 1:58:13Speaker 00

  Uh, speaking of being, when you were little, uh, is this story real that you put on your brother's pads and ran in telephone poles? I feel like that's a, it's an awesome story, but. Do I think it's real? No. Does my mom say 100% happened? Yeah. So then it is, and it's real. Cause your mom's. I would say, I would say it's real because I was probably too little to remember, but you know, I'll take my mom's word for it. If that's what I did, that's what I did, you know, it kind of explains who I am now. Yeah, I would imagine you were a little bit of a handful as a child. Not, you know, I mean, obviously not in like a, like a, you know, kids aren't bad way, but like just a lot of energy, a lot of rambunctious going, running around kind of shit. Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't too much of a troublemaker, but I was a troublemaker. That makes sense. Yeah, right. I stayed out of trouble, but I caused trouble.

• 1:58:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, like fun trouble, not, not like bad trouble. Yeah, like other, like at school, not getting in trouble, but at home being like a pain in the ass to, to your mom, like trying to find you and shit. Yeah. Push the limits a little bit. We were talking uh, last year on this show about the, the story when you got hurt. You go to the hospital and uh, and, and Big Dom paid you a visit. What was that like? When, when he walked into the room? Was it kind of a, hey, uh, like, you know, we don't, we don't talk about what happened out there. We're going to keep our mouths shut. Good to see you. Type visitor? Was it a, uh, just a friendly stop in? Yeah, I mean, we, we talked about what happened, you know, um, when it, you got to realize in the NFL world, in the NFL world, everyone is one.

• 1:59:40Speaker 00

  Um, and when someone like that from an opposing team, especially a rival, um, wants to show support, wants to appreciate, you know, you for your game and you know, do something good for you to help you out. Um, understanding you're stuck in the hospital. You don't have good food. You're eating Jell-O and you know, cafeteria pizza. Um, you know, he, he thought it was a good thing to, you know, come bring me some Philly staple, you know, so um, it was awesome that he came and saw me, you know, I've talked to him a couple of times since then, um, just checking in, make sure he's good. Um, cause you know, when people do stuff like that, it means something to you. So, um, it was a friendly stop, but you know, he was a good dude that just wanted to do something good for somebody that, you know, pays a good price for the game. Um, and that's all I got out of it.

• 2:00:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's a great guy. That's, it didn't shock us. Like we know him well and he's uh, he's just a stand-up guy. That's something he would do. Um, when you got hurt, your reaction, uh, was it just the shock and adrenaline? You didn't feel the pain or you're just such a badass that you didn't feel the pain? Because I watched it and I was like, holy fuck, why is he not screaming in horror?

• 2:00:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, my, my pain tolerance is pretty high. Um, you know, even when I work, work on my ankle now, until these days, I'll have a little bit of soreness and um, you know, they'll push on some spots and I won't really say anything about it, even though it hurts. Um, but you know, my pain, my pain tolerance is high. So, you know, when that happened, obviously the adrenaline's running, you know, I had some, I think ibuprofen in me at the time. Um, and you know, it was kind of like not painful for the first 15 minutes. Uh, once they put the ankle actually back into place, I think that was like the most relieving moment. Um, cause like even when I was in, I was in the eighth grade and I broke my left forearm, same thing. It was fully snapped, both bones.

• 2:01:29Speaker 00

  And as soon as they put it back, they put me in a, a finger trap hanging in the hospital. And as soon as it popped back into place, it was like the best relief ever. So once I got that relief of the ankle, um, I kind of felt a lot better. And that was within 45 seconds of me snapping it. So, um, and then once I got in the ambulance, you know, they gave me some drugs and got me going to keep the pain away. But you know, I'm not a big medicine guy, so I hate taking medicine. So, um, I just deal with the pain and I guess over time I've been able to, you know, deal with it better and better as time's went on. Yeah. Uh, all right. I got a question about your coach. Uh, we're, we've had, uh, Coach Harbaugh on. We're big Harbaugh guys, just both Jim and John. Uh, but him coming in, uh, what has it been like so far?

• 2:02:13Speaker 00

  And is he, uh, I feel like, you know, these comments about the 15 yard penalty, like he loves you, but he also wants to keep you in check. Have you maybe told him that you could punt too? Because he's a special teams guy. Maybe that's how you get on his good side, being like, hey, you know, I did punt a little bit at Arizona State. Then you get him on his good side and then he, he can deal with you maybe being like a little rambunctious. Yeah, me and Harbs are, we're on the same page, you know, um, I think, you know, I don't, I don't, we argue, you know, offense, defense, every single team does it. Guys get in fights, everybody does it. Um, it's all this testosterone built up and all the guys, you know, constantly hitting each other for three weeks in a row.

• 2:02:54Speaker 00

  Um, something's going to cause some anger and some frustration. Um, something happened at practice, it was whatever, you know, now we're me and the guy that got in a fight are good friends. So we don't worry about that anymore. Um, but you know, Harbs, he wants me to understand that, you know, if you do something like that outside of the field, outside of the practice, you know, that, that is a 15 yard penalty. That is a personal flag. That will cause you something. So, um, something that I don't really think about. Um, it's kind of in the past and you know, I think he's kind of on the same page with me. So. Yeah. Have you, have you practiced punting since college?

• 2:03:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I, I kicked a couple of punts the other day, but I think I'm retiring from that. I doubt, I would love to see that make a comeback. So whether it's a, a quarterback doing the pooch kick or a running back doing it, that could be, that could be such a weapon. I would love to see that this year. Oh, what's up? How we doing? Oh, who's that? Malik. Oh, what's up Malik? He felt like he had to come in here and headbutt me.

• 2:03:51Speaker 00

  Is that, is that just like people, is that your handshake that you have with like people on the team? Yeah, I guess. It's just normal. No, is it, is it to the point where like people love you, so they try to headbutt you? Or you want to go around headbutting everybody?

• 2:04:05Speaker 00

  I think he was just being annoying right there. I don't think there was a headbutt correlation. I think he just wanted to come in here and bother me. Do you have a, a certain like group of people on the team where it's like, all right, I know they don't like me headbutting? And then there's some guys, you're like, I know I can go to them for a headbutt at any time. Yeah, I mean, without my helmet on, the headbutts kind of stay away. Yeah. Uh, you know, every time we get in the huddle, I think our, if you watch before the game, you know, before the, before the snap, before the first play, you'll see everybody give a little headbutt to each other. Um, it's just something like we give, you know, kind of lock in, get ready to go and uh, get ready for battle. Yeah. Are you, you staying by your prediction for this year? 2,000 yards?

• 2:04:47Speaker 00

  That's the goal. Uh, I mean, it's, it's a hard goal, but you know, if you have to put something out and reach that you can never, that you can possibly not reach or possibly can reach, uh, there's always a chance. So, I mean, I'm going to, I'm going to continue to push, you know? We got a new sign, we got Najee back. So we've got Najee over here. So, um, you know, things are going to get a little different. We're going to, you know, really run the ball this year. So I'm excited for it. Yeah. How, how crazy was that Thursday night game against the Eagles last year? I loved watching it. That was just, that was pure football. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was awesome. Um, you know, that was my real first game of like feeling like myself, um, in the league, you know, getting, getting up to speed with the game and

• 2:05:26Speaker 00

  um, feeling things out. And you know, I think people don't realize I only played seven games last year, so I wasn't really, you know, fully in the system and kind of comfortable yet. Um, so now that I'm, I'm here and I'm ready to go, I think it's going to be a big year for me. Yeah. I do love your self-awareness, by the way, where you're like, yeah, I've done some dumb things, like I, I, I can be, you know, a lot, but I just love football. That, that is what makes it, I think if you, if you didn't have that, people would be like, oh, what is he talking about? But it's like, you just love football. You love hitting people and your style is, I know that Harbaugh said you're, you're like an infectious disease, which is kind of, I don't, like, it depends on what type of infectious disease. There's some good ones. Yeah, there's some ones that are really fast. Uh,

• 2:06:10Speaker 00

  but it is, it is infectious, like your love for football and how you play the game, watching it, it makes you just pumped up to watch more football. Yeah, I mean, I, I love the game, you know, uh, we had a player, you know, the guy with CJ that we traded for from Baltimore. He came in yesterday and said, you know, it's legal to hit people. And I kind of looked at him and laughed. And I was like, yeah, you're right. Like we get to physically beat up on people for, for, for a lot of money and for fun. So, uh, it's, you know, it's a game that, you know, you get to take out your anger, you relieve your stresses on the field. And um, once you get off the field, you know, it's kind of just take a deep breath and relax. Yeah. They say that, that everybody gets got sometimes. When was the last time you got got on the field?

• 2:06:55Speaker 00

  Um,

• 2:06:58Speaker 00

  there's been a couple of times in practice. I wouldn't say that were bad, but you know, on the field, I mean, I, I feel like I got a pretty good sixth sense of who's around me. Um, I try to, I try to take, lighten the blow as much as possible because you know, some, some of these dudes hit pretty hard, how big they are. So I kind of, I try to, you know, understand where they're coming from and how to fall and stuff like that. So I don't really feel it too much, but, um, shoot, I don't.

• 2:07:23Speaker 04

  Even know last year were the big hit, I guess.

• 2:07:28Speaker 04

  I guess uh against Denver, when I hit the linebacker, you know, he got real low, got the best of me. Um, I didn't expect him to get that low and kind of blew me up and to the quarterback's lap and we throw a pick on that play. So I'm kind of caught was a costly mistake from me, you know, but other than that, I haven't really felt too much yet.

• 2:07:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, we I do a podcast with Arian Foster and he always talks about how he uh he he had to practice falling. When he was in the NFL, like learning how to fall correctly, not just take a hit, but how you actually uh take your body to the ground as much as possible was the reason that he stayed healthy for for a while. Do you practice falling?

• 2:08:05Speaker 04

  I don't practice falling, but you know, over the years I've been, I've been playing football for, you know, 15 years plus years. So um, over the years, I felt like I just have a good knack of falling the right way. Um, you know, and my one time I did fall the way I didn't want to fall. Um, I tore my AC joint. So there's been, there's been times where, you know, you get little scares, but you know, for the most part, I feel like I fall the way you're supposed to when you get tackled from the certain direction or you know, you get hit a certain way. So.

• 2:08:33Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah. Um, okay. So uh, back to to Farmer's Dog real quick. So you're going to be in a commercial, right? That's pretty cool. Yeah. How, how many commercials have you been in? Is that your first commercial?

• 2:08:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I've been, I've been in a lot of commercials. Um, I don't know if you guys seen the Paramount one.

• 2:08:51Speaker 00

  That's right. Yes, yes.

• 2:08:53Speaker 04

  Paramount one and Farmer's Dog. I did a State Farm commercial that's going to drop soon during the season. Um, that'll be a funny one. You guys will enjoy a lot. And then, you know, I've done a lot of little stuff here and there. So um, got a couple more coming up this, this weekend when it's a off season, but or when it's, we got the weekend off, but you know, other than that, it's time to roll.

• 2:09:15Speaker 00

  Time to lock in. Yeah. Time to be ready to go. Um, a couple of last questions before we we kick it to Zach, who will finish this off. Um, the clip of you when you looked, when you checked on Jackson Dart in the uh blue tent. You look like a guy who's like looking for some snacks in the snack closet. Would uh, did you get yelled at for that for for for taking a peek? Cause it was very funny to watch. You're just checking on your boy.

• 2:09:39Speaker 04

  Uh, I got yelled at by the NFL. Um, I don't think anybody else cared about it. You know, I was I was genuinely going in there to make sure that, you know, he was okay. Yeah. Um, you know, it sucks to see your friend. Well, I mean, it was my best friend at the time, still is, but you know, I I came in with them, got to build a good connection with them. And when you hear that something went wrong with his head, you know, you you're interested in what what's wrong, you know, you want to make sure he's okay. Um, so popping in there, you know, nobody really gave me crap about it, but um, they let me know, you know, you shouldn't be over here and uh after the fact. And then uh, you know, we, we had the thing with the NFL, but that's all in the past. So hopefully we can keep him out of that thing.

• 2:10:19Speaker 00

  Dumb rule, I think that I think everyone should have like a buddy system on the NFL sideline. Did it like, hey, if your guy goes in the blue tent, you get to like, if if Jackson Dart goes in, you're the designated buddy where you get to go check on him. Cause everyone's probably wondering how he's doing. So you get to go check on him and let everyone else know.

• 2:10:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, that'd be dope.

• 2:10:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it might be scary in there. You go in there all alone. You need a friend.

• 2:10:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, you need a friend to hang out with.

• 2:10:42Speaker 03

  Like an emotional support running back by your side.

• 2:10:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Be nice.

• 2:10:47Speaker 03

  Do you ever think that uh, he watches you run and he's like, damn, that's cool as shit. And then he tries to run like you sometimes?

• 2:10:56Speaker 04

  Um, maybe. Uh, I'm not too sure. I think, you know, I we always talk about it. If we were in a dog fight, you know, cage fight, who would win, you know, and uh he thinks he would bring me down to the death and he would have no chance, no chance.

• 2:11:12Speaker 00

  No chance he would beat you.

• 2:11:14Speaker 04

  But Jackson's a killer, man. Jackson, Jackson's a dog, you know, you, he has no doubt that he's going to come out on top every time. Um, whether it's hitting somebody, fighting somebody, you know, throwing competition, tackling competition, he's still going to think he's the best. So that's why he's such a good player, you know, he, he has good confidence and um, he trusts, he trusts in his abilities.

• 2:11:33Speaker 03

  I I love the confidence. Before the record, you would murder him.

• 2:11:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:35Speaker 03

  It would not, it wouldn't be close in a cage fight.

• 2:11:38Speaker 00

  Not even close.

• 2:11:39Speaker 04

  Let's, let's put that out there.

• 2:11:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:41Speaker 04

  So you know.

• 2:11:41Speaker 00

  What feels, what feels better on a football field, lowering your shoulder through someone's chest or the perfectly timed stiff arm?

• 2:11:51Speaker 04

  Uh, I think, I think perfectly timed stiff arm, sending somebody out the club is like the best feeling because you don't get it often.

• 2:11:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:12:00Speaker 04

  And you know, usually when you get one of those, it's a one on one situation and you have a lot more um, position to go to. So uh, a lot of better position to be in after the fact. So uh, definitely a stiff arm.

• 2:12:13Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Well, I got one last question. It's Zach is going to ask you a question, Roback question, R H O B A C K dot com. Promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. Uh, everyone go check out Farmer's Dog. We love it. We stand by it. Cam stands by it. Uh, Stella's been eating it for many years, basically since Farmer's Dog was created, but uh, Roback question, Zach, go ahead.

• 2:12:39Speaker 03

  How are you doing, man? I did have a quick question for you. Uh, with you and Jameis in the same locker room, it seems like an unreal amount of energy. And I was wondering if you can give us kind of a sneak peek into, or like a peek behind the curtain on the new handshake. What kind of went into building that with Jameis?

• 2:12:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, um, I'm a dog person, you know, and uh, from the camera angle, it looked bad, but all Jameis was doing was holding his dog on a leash, um, trying to make sure that, you know, he wasn't letting you free. So um, we're going to get that fixed. We're going to make sure it looks okay and it it uh, it looks right for the people. Um, but there's no change in between the two of us. We're going to continue to be us.

• 2:13:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, I I loved it. I don't know what people had a problem with. There's uh, one of the greatest uh, intros I've ever seen.

• 2:13:24Speaker 03

  Don't fix, don't you, I don't think you have to change it too much.

• 2:13:26Speaker 00

  You just got to change the angle a little bit.

• 2:13:28Speaker 04

  That's it. The camera guy was in the wrong spot.

• 2:13:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. In the pregame, you got to get the camera guy perfect, perfectly placed. Be like, hey, you got to stand on the side here.

• 2:13:38Speaker 04

  I originally had no idea he was there. Um, so if I hadn't known that, I probably wouldn't have, probably kind of would have backed up a little bit, but.

• 2:13:44Speaker 00

  Zach, did you have a, did you have a follow up?

• 2:13:46Speaker 03

  Uh, oh yeah. Quick follow up question. When you're not on the field, sometimes we do see you on the stream and I was just wondering if there's any games you're running right now. You felt good about.

• 2:13:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I've been playing, you know, the new 2K just came out like three days ago, four days ago, whatever it was. Um, I've been grinding that, made a couple of builds already. Um, you know, a lot of people, a lot of, a lot of NFL guys, NBA, and MLB, you know, they get, the Ronnie gives them that free, that free character that's a 99 kind of uh, that's not who I am. I like to grind my accounts. I like to, you know, go from the bottom to the top, you know, work my way up. So um, that's a game that I, I continue to grind. And then Apex Legends is um, I feel like the best game I ever made is the best Battle Royale that, you know, has been out there for a long time. And you know, they haven't done much to the game to change it and it's been good ever since. So it's been awesome.

• 2:14:32Speaker 03

  Now 2K, are you, are you running through my career challenges or are you in the park?

• 2:14:37Speaker 04

  Uh, I do a little bit of both. I'll do some challenges even if I'm by myself. And then when the boys are on, I'll hop in the wreck of the park and um, grind out with them. But now everybody's not very good right now. So it's kind of perfect time to just get in there and have a little bit of fun.

• 2:14:50Speaker 03

  Got to get the badges up.

• 2:14:51Speaker 00

  Pre, it's preseason for everyone. Now it's regular season. All right. Well, Cam, best of luck this season, man. Uh, it's awesome watching you play football. We're excited to see you back out there. Oh, last thing, would, would you give a message to anyone who's drafting you this week in fantasy football? Cause it is a big fantasy football draft week. So maybe pitch yourself on being drafted.

• 2:15:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, draft me or don't draft me. Um, it doesn't, it doesn't matter to me, but I played seven games and I was 20, 20 point average. So that's, I'll leave it at that.

• 2:15:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true. And also good, that's good perspective being like, draft me or don't draft me. I don't really care. You're, you're right on that.

• 2:15:33Speaker 04

  You guys have fun.

• 2:15:34Speaker 00

  Who cares?

• 2:15:36Speaker 04

  I'll go out there and give it my all. So.

• 2:15:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, perfectly said. All right. Well, thanks so much, Cam. Best of luck this year, man.

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• 2:16:45Speaker 00

  Henry, pardon your take. Back to back shows, remember? Do you remember when we like first started and we're like, should we do? But people were like, oh, let's go every day, every day of the week. That would have killed us. We just recorded like 10 hours ago.

• 2:17:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's, there's simply not enough.

• 2:17:05Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:17:06Speaker 03

  Actually, no, during, during like a major season.

• 2:17:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:17:09Speaker 03

  Like during playoff baseball, even I would say like, but in the dog days of of playoffs or in the dog days of baseball season, before we get to NFL season, there's not, you can't do a show every day. You start making shit up.

• 2:17:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, you can't have like Max and Hank having a stare, stare down in the middle of the podcast every.

• 2:17:24Speaker 03

  Nobody would listen to that shit.

• 2:17:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:17:26Speaker 03

  Baker Mayfield were either, will be either a 49er or Viking come trade deadline and will carry either team to an NFC championship game. Baker on the Vikings would be, that would be fun.

• 2:17:37Speaker 00

  Baker on the Niners?

• 2:17:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Can't picture it.

• 2:17:40Speaker 00

  Mac Jones is there though. I'd see more likely Vikings. What?

• 2:17:45Speaker 03

  Nine.

• 2:17:47Speaker 00

  Nine? You're still talking about nine?

• 2:17:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. All right, buddy. I got news for you. Nine is, nine's not going to come in if Kyler gets hurt. They're going to go to Carson Wentz, Carson Wentz or Brosmer.

• 2:17:58Speaker 00

  Can we see that? J J Watt tweeted a picture of him doing research and it was like, he had the depth charts and Carson Wentz was listed as two.

• 2:18:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I saw that. I think nine needs to be traded.

• 2:18:09Speaker 00

  Yes, 100%. Yeah, I actually don't, I'm not going to give up on J J McCarthy. I am giving up on J J McCarthy as a Viking. Got to be traded.

• 2:18:20Speaker 00

  I like that take though. Yeah, we'd never get those like trades of starting quarterbacks mid season.

• 2:18:27Speaker 03

  You always hear, oh, this guy is rumored to be traded for this guy. And there's no trades in the NFL.

• 2:18:32Speaker 00

  They should make it a rule in the NFL that you have to do like one trade every two years. In on trade deadline day.

• 2:18:43Speaker 02

  Sup fellas, I think if the Bengals fail to make the playoffs this year, Joe Burrow gets traded, wait for it, to the Rams.

• 2:18:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:49Speaker 02

  Stafford retires, Rams trade Ty Simpson, first round pick and a couple more, two, three picks. McVay gets himself another guy and Rams continue to be immortal.

• 2:18:59Speaker 03

  I mean, I hate how right that is.

• 2:19:00Speaker 00

  I could see it for sure.

• 2:19:01Speaker 03

  I would hate it.

• 2:19:02Speaker 00

  I could see it for sure.

• 2:19:03Speaker 04

  That is.

• 2:19:04Speaker 06

  We breaking.

• 2:19:04Speaker 04

  Breaking.

• 2:19:05Speaker 00

  Oh, breaking mousse.

• 2:19:07Speaker 00

  Oh, no. That's perfect.

• 2:19:11Speaker 00

  ESPN sources two-time Pro Bowl selection, Baker Mayfield and the Buccaneers reached agreement today on a three-year contract essentially to prevent the quarterback from becoming a free agent after this season. Fuck yeah.

• 2:19:22Speaker 03

  But he still could be traded.

• 2:19:24Speaker 00

  He could, but that's, I'm happy for Baker. He deserved it.

• 2:19:29Speaker 03

  How much?

• 2:19:29Speaker 00

  Good for him.

• 2:19:32Speaker 06

  Not out yet, it looks like.

• 2:19:36Speaker 03

  Good for him, man. Really good for him.

• 2:19:41Speaker 03

  But yeah, I could, I could definitely see, I can see Joe Burrow going to Los Angeles, Rams just win everything.

• 2:19:49Speaker 03

  I'd be happy for Joe, but that would suck. I don't want, yeah, we don't need that.

• 2:19:55Speaker 02

  Hey guys, my craziest take for the 2026 season is the Philadelphia Eagles finally realized halfway through the season, Jalen Hurts isn't good enough to get them back to the Super Bowl and are forced to either tank slash trade for a top pick in next year's draft to get one of the top QBs. Manning more Mensa car.

• 2:20:13Speaker 03

  That'd be interesting.

• 2:20:14Speaker 06

  That would have been a real shame if they thought that he couldn't get back to the Super Bowl after the first time he went to the Super Bowl.

• 2:20:21Speaker 02

  It would, it would be.

• 2:20:22Speaker 03

  We're talking, we're living in the present now and saying like, can he get back?

• 2:20:26Speaker 06

  That would be for a third time.

• 2:20:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:28Speaker 00

  Jalen Hurts having a bad year this year would be very funny for the podcast.

• 2:20:31Speaker 03

  Could he get back again? Anyone can get back, but can he get back again?

• 2:20:35Speaker 00

  What if the Eagles stay good, but Jalen Hurts is just so bad? They just wouldn't, I mean, they did that last year.

• 2:20:40Speaker 03

  Now, yeah, I think maybe the funniest premise now would be if like, what if AJ Brown was MVP?

• 2:20:47Speaker 03

  Patriots, I would, you know what?

• 2:20:49Speaker 00

  I think it's gotta go one way or the other though. It's gotta be either AJ Brown MVP or Jalen Hurts MVP because he got rid of AJ Brown.

• 2:20:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:57Speaker 00

  That would be fun.

• 2:20:58Speaker 06

  What if they're both good?

• 2:20:59Speaker 03

  I think I would make that trade for AJ Brown to get MVP.

• 2:21:02Speaker 00

  Someone's gotta win.

• 2:21:03Speaker 03

  Patriots, another dominant season, if it meant that he was MVP on the Patriots and Eagles fans were sad about that. I think I would make that trade.

• 2:21:10Speaker 02

  Same.

• 2:21:11Speaker 06

  AJ Brown's gonna have like 900 yards tomorrow.

• 2:21:15Speaker 03

  I'd be record.

• 2:21:15Speaker 00

  He's gonna have a very good year.

• 2:21:18Speaker 02

  All right, last one. Uh, this isn't about NFL, but has still been on my mind for about 10 years.

• 2:21:23Speaker 00

  10 years?

• 2:21:24Speaker 02

  On an extra point or field goal attempt, how come the holder has a knee down and is not considered down? In NFL, I get it because they have to be down by contact, but in college, the rules are different. For example, on a punt, if the punter caught the ball on a knee, the ball would be down right there from a long snap, but if the holder has a knee down, how is he not down as well?

• 2:21:43Speaker 03

  So, good point. I think it's just written into the rule.

• 2:21:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:47Speaker 03

  I think it's the only case where a knee down does not count.

• 2:21:49Speaker 00

  I, I gotta say dude, like, I'm not casting judgment. I feel like 10 years is a long time to not just Google something that's been bothering you. Can we Google it? Why is your, why is, why is the holder not down in college football?

• 2:22:06Speaker 03

  This sounds like somebody that lost a major game on a field goal and this is like the last straw of, of cope that he can have. Like why, that field goal shouldn't have counted.

• 2:22:14Speaker 00

  In college football, field goal or extra point holder is not ruled down with a knee on the ground because of a specific exception in the rule book.

• 2:22:22Speaker 00

  Finally, we figured it out.

• 2:22:23Speaker 02

  Thank God.

• 2:22:25Speaker 00

  This poor guy.

• 2:22:27Speaker 03

  He's been tormented by.

• 2:22:28Speaker 00

  NCAA rule 413B, the ball remains alive when an offensive player is in position to kick a ball held for a place kick by a teammate at the snap. This exception explicitly allows the holder to keep a knee on the ground to catch, hold and place the ball.

• 2:22:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. I feel like this guy is maybe an Ohio State fan and he's still pissed off about that field goal by Georgia.

• 2:22:52Speaker 03

  As the clock struck midnight, he's like, that should, that should have been a sack because his knee was down. And this has just been what he's thinking about.

• 2:22:58Speaker 00

  I'm sorry, man. Sorry that it has haunted you for this long.

• 2:23:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, it gets better.

• 2:23:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. You listen to this show and you realize you can move on. Like I imagine this guy has just a list of things that he's been putting off until he figures this out.

• 2:23:11Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. I'm glad we could help though.

• 2:23:12Speaker 00

  The rest of your life has now begun.

• 2:23:14Speaker 03

  You do get smarter.

• 2:23:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Good show, boys. We'll see everyone on Friday for our week one preview and a recap of Wednesday and Thursday night football. Tune into the stream Wednesday night. Numbers, three.

• 2:23:27Speaker 02

  10. 48.

• 2:23:29Speaker 06

  Five. 55.

• 2:23:31Speaker 03

  Five, five, five, five.

• 2:23:33Speaker 06

  55.

• 2:23:35Speaker 00

  88.

• 2:23:36Speaker 06

  88.

• 2:23:38Speaker 00

  Oh, Steve's back. Can't wait to see him.

• 2:23:42Speaker 03

  88.

• 2:23:44Speaker 06

  Five, five, five.

• 2:23:46Speaker 02

  Five, five, five.

• 2:23:47Speaker 06

  Five, five, five, five.

• 2:23:48Speaker 00

  Stop saying it.

• 2:23:49Speaker 02

  Five, five, five.

• 2:23:50Speaker 00

  Hurry up Shane.

• 2:23:51Speaker 03

  Stop saying.

• 2:23:52Speaker 06

  15.

• 2:23:53Speaker 00

  69.

• 2:23:54Speaker 06

  69.

• 2:23:55Speaker 04

  32.

• 2:23:55Speaker 06

  32.

• 2:23:56Speaker 00

  Bolt up Shane.

• 2:23:58Speaker 06

  Bolt up Shane.

• 2:24:00Speaker 06

  Lot of positive talk about bolts today.

• 2:24:09Speaker 02

  Bolt up. Five, five. Five, five. Five, five. 55.

• 2:24:16Speaker 06

  69 for Colton.

• 2:24:19Speaker 06

  How about, how about a 69 for Colton?

• 2:24:26Speaker 00

  36.

• 2:24:27Speaker 06

  36. One more.

• 2:24:32Speaker 00

  One more.

• 2:24:33Speaker 06

  69 for Colton.

• 2:24:35Speaker 00

  Still, PFT memes and Colton have never gotten.

• 2:24:39Speaker 06

  Colton for 69.

• 2:24:42Speaker 00

  Can we get a 69 for Colton?

• 2:24:44Speaker 06

  Let me see a 69.

• 2:24:48Speaker 06

  69. Facts. That's Max's statement.

• 2:24:55Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 2:24:57Speaker 00

  Stop saying no.

• 2:24:57Speaker 03

  29.

• 2:25:00Speaker 06

  You don't like that?

• 2:25:00Speaker 00

  You gotta stop saying no every time.

• 2:25:03Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 2:25:06Speaker 03

  Happy birthday to our good friend Keith Yandel.

• 2:25:10Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 2:25:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. Happy birthday to John Coon, our other good friend. Happy birthday to Dick LeBeau. Happy birthday to Colonel Sanders. And happy birthday to Adam Sandler. And happy birthday to Pardon My Balls, David Eckleberger. Shout out Pardon My Balls.

• 2:25:29Speaker 06

  Shout out Pardon My Balls. That guy does rocks.

• 2:25:32Speaker 03

  Happy birthday to Randy Johnson.

• 2:25:35Speaker 03

  Randy Johnson and Dick LeBeau. Names kind of mean the same thing. Love you guys.

• 2:25:41Speaker 06

  We have a countdown for Yandel's birthday.

• 2:25:43Speaker 00

  Breaking mousse, Liv has filed for bankruptcy.

• 2:25:46Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 2:25:46Speaker 02

  Love you guys.

• 2:25:47Speaker 03

  Emergency, emergency.

• 2:25:50Speaker 03

  Hank.

• 2:25:50Speaker 06

  No, we're done.

• 2:25:51Speaker 03

  I know, I need, no, Max, shut up. I need a comment. Comment, please.

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  I don't know what, I don't, I'm not a finance guy.

• 2:26:00Speaker 00

  Live Golf has formally filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

• 2:26:03Speaker 02

  The Dodgers filed for bankruptcy too.

• 2:26:05Speaker 00

  DeChambeau listed as the top two unsecured creditors.

• 2:26:13Speaker 02

  I, I don't, I don't understand bankruptcy. I think successful companies do this all the time.

• 2:26:17Speaker 03

  It's smart.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:20Speaker 03

  It's actually a good thing that they're out of money.

• 2:26:22Speaker 06

  Isn't Donald Trump a big bankruptcy guy?

• 2:26:24Speaker 02

  Huge. And look at him.

• 2:26:26Speaker 03

  He loves golf.

• 2:26:26Speaker 02

  He's the president.

• 2:26:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. This doesn't mean you can't love golf.

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  America's like 40 trillion dollars in debt.

• 2:26:33Speaker 00

  That's a great point.

• 2:26:33Speaker 06

  That's a great point. Hank, Hank is cooking right now.

• 2:26:39Speaker 03

  All right. So Liv, never, never been stronger.

• 2:26:41Speaker 02

  We're fine. Yeah, it's fine.

• 2:26:42Speaker 03

  Every company does this.

• 2:26:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:26:45Speaker 00

  It's just a, a setback for a major comeback.

• 2:26:47Speaker 03

  How many times did the PGA Tour do this?

• 2:26:50Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:26:50Speaker 03

  Probably a lot.

• 2:26:51Speaker 02

  Well, they had to sign with the Saudis to, to probably not do it.

• 2:26:55Speaker 03

  What, PGA Tour?

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:58Speaker 03

  Liv did that.

• 2:27:00Speaker 02

  So did PGA.

• 2:27:02Speaker 03

  But Liv did that and then declared bankruptcy.

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  Cause the Saudis backed out. I don't fucking know, dude.

• 2:27:09Speaker 00

  Holy shit, the Broncos have beer vending machines.

• 2:27:11Speaker 03

  Love you guys.