CFB Week 1 Chaos With Andy Staples, Western Michigan HC Lance Taylor, Who's Back Of The Week + Max Is Back From His Honeymoon With Gifts

CFB Week 1 is in the books and we had start to finish chaos with Umass beating Rutgers to kick it off, FSU/SMU in a power delay, Michigan's Hail Mary, Ohio State's senior day and tons more (00:00:00-00:32:39). Tua is named starter for the Falcons, we talk timezones and get ready for more football this week (00:32:39-00:50:07). Who's back of the week including our Fantasy Team after Jerry O'Connell drafts our 2026 squad plus Big Cat completes his very stupid 100 burger challenge (00:50:07-01:11:31). Andy Staples joins the show to break down Week 1, winners and losers, who looked good, who should be worried, where does Dabo go from here and more (01:11:31-01:54:27). Western Michigan Head Coach Lance Taylor joins the show to talk about the heartbreak at the big house, how he has his team getting off the mat, and some ideas for offense from the guys (01:54:27-02:14:45). We finish with Max back from his honeymoon plus gifts You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take https://barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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  On today's Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings, football is back. Week one of the college football season. We've got Andy Staples live from SMU Florida State before the lights went out, recapping all of week one. We also have Western Michigan head coach Lance Taylor on the show. We thought, hey, if they had won that game, he probably would have done a bunch of shows. Let's give him some shine because Western Michigan fought their asses off on Saturday night. We're going to recap everything. We got who's back of the week and Max is back. Max is back stateside. His sex vacation has finally come to an end.

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  Welcome to Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Tuesday, September 8th, and football is back and so is Max. The rare Tuesday Pardon My Take, PFT. We do have a show tomorrow and Friday as well, but football is back, PFT. We had what going into it, a week one that everyone's like, oh, there's no, there's not a lot of marquee games. And then we had chaos. And the last time we recorded, we recorded on Thursday afternoon. The chaos began right away with UMass beating Rutgers. Greg Shiano might be on his last leg.

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  That's a sad day for the birthplace of college football, might be the death place of college football. That was, that was just a shit pumping, sad, sad scenes in Piscataway.

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  It was, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't just a situation where it's like, oh, plucky underdogs, you know, wins with a, with a walk off field goal or something crazy happens. No, it was UMass just like kicking the shit out of Rutgers. They, I think I saw the stat. They were 0-12 last season, did not score 21 plus on any FBS opponent. They scored 24 on the first four drives against Rutgers on Thursday night. They also are now the second biggest paycheck that a team has had to give to an opponent in a loss. $1.55 million Rutgers paid UMass for UMass to come into Piscataway and win the football game,

• 4:42Speaker 00

  only second to Auburn paying New Mexico State in 2023 and losing 31-10.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  That's crazy. Jackie April is going to have a big purse to collect at the next benefit conference. That's going to be nuts.

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  Yes.

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  Oh yeah, that, that was a, that was a tough day for, for Rutgers. I have no doubt that as a Shiano man, you always bounce back from that sort of thing.

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  Chop wood.

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  Chop wood. You just gotta, I think you gotta chop harder. I don't think that they're chopping hard enough. But then we go from that to the bookend of the weekend. Florida State's playing right now as we're recording this show against SMU. They just kicked off. There's no clock in the stadium. The communication has to be via sign language from the sidelines on.

• 5:21Speaker 00

  Zach, you would have been perfect for this.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  It was, uh, it's, this is an incredible theater. This is, this is why we love college football because you get, you get, you know, some premier matchups and there's massive budgets being spent on it by the biggest networks. And then sometimes it all comes down to the fact that somebody in Tallahassee drove drunk into a transformer next to the stadium and now nobody can watch football.

• 5:41Speaker 00

  Zach, you never, I never asked you this, but you did the sign language for Camp Barstool for the national anthem. How do you know sign language?

• 5:49Speaker 03

  I strictly know patriotic. So I only know the anthem.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  I asked Zach to learn the sign language for the national anthem.

• 5:55Speaker 00

  Okay. I thought it was like, oh, my cousin was deaf and so I learned sign language at a young age.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  No, no, we can't do small talk, but if they had patriotic signs on the sidelines, we could, we'd communicate those.

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  Okay. So yeah, we, the, the chaos of college football, it was on full display at the big house on Saturday night. I'd say that was the biggest story. Western Michigan, which we have Coach Lance Taylor on the show because we figured they should have gotten the shine. They, they basically won the game and then there was a second left and Michigan walks away 1-0. Bryce Underwood looked so bad, so, so bad. He is the quarterback for Michigan right now, according to Kyle Whittingham, which that has got to be the worst feeling ever. The right now is just the most loaded right now. It's saying everything. He's a quarterback right now.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  I liked everybody mad at Dave for, for like getting Bryce Underwood on campus.

• 6:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  That's the good and the bad that you have to take if you're Dave and, and you've got Larry Ellison's money that's being spent and then people blame you or applaud you for people that you get to sign with Michigan.

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  Correct.

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  He looked like so overmatched from the get go from the, there were some games last year where he looked awesome, like he was worth every penny of the investment. There were some where he looked bad. This looked just as bad as any game that he played last year.

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  Yeah. And this is why I was not super high on Michigan. Obviously it's a long season. They could figure it out or they could switch quarterbacks, which it feels like could happen during the Oklahoma game this Saturday. But Michigan, I mean Bryce Underwood, just he is mechanics, everything. It just, the offense, like Western Michigan looked like the more physical team and kind of took it to them. And that, that interception at the end of the half, the first half was just so, so bad. But they win. And I, as mad as, I mean, we all were texting when it happened. It was shocking. I don't know if you guys had the same feeling, but when they put the second back on, I was like, this is only going to end in one way. And it just felt like it was going to happen. And it

• 7:55Speaker 00

  just like, you can't, look, Michigan won the game. There's like, you can't go back and change it. I think we all felt like we were robbed in the moment, but Michigan's 1-0 and you can't, you know what I mean? Like it is what it is.

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  Well, I, I learned about it because I was on Twitter and I tweeted something out at the end of the game. I forget what it was, just some like normal observation about what a, what a terrible loss it was for Michigan. And then the timeline just started to fill with, oh my God, oh my God. Cause I think a lot of people out there, they had, they had moved on from that game.

• 8:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  You see 0-0 on the clock, you see the, the coaches going out to midfield to shake hands and that caught me by surprise. There's nothing you can do about it now. This does feel like it robbed all, it especially robbed Western Michigan fans and, and obviously the, the actual team themselves. But like being a student at that university and getting deprived of an all time party night where it's like, this is the stuff, like Appalachian State, when they beat Michigan in that game, that's a night that they'll remember for the rest of their lives. Like anybody that roots for that team, it got, it got ripped away and it sucks. And watching all the different camera angles, I understand. So the, the official explanation from the Big 10, I understand what, exactly what they're saying in that

• 9:06Speaker 02

  there is a secret clock that we did not get to see on TV. And on that secret clock, there was actually an extra second left. When you look at this one player jumping with his foot out of bounds in the back of the end zone and then probably touching the ball. That means that there's a second left. We can replay the down. The thing is like, we didn't know about the secret clock going into it.

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  No.

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  And they tell all the referees in every league. Now this is according to Mike Pereira. They tell all the referees in the NFL and the UFL and his understanding in college football as well. If there is a discrepancy between what is being shown on TV and what you have in your own secret clock, go with the number that millions of people are looking at. So there's no conspiracy that gets developed behind the scenes. They opted not to do that and go with the secret clock. And yeah, that's, it's, it's a bad way of doing things.

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  It sucks. And it's, it's not even like the party night. It's, Western Michigan is a program. They've never been a top 20 team. The, the way that like, uh, being a Western Michigan in a state with Michigan, it's, you know, they take up all the oxygen. They are the, the premier program, both nationally and statewide. So like the pride that you would get off of a win like that, it sucks. It sucks. I feel bad for the Mac. I feel bad for Western Michigan. But again, it's, it's kind of similar to the Saints Rams NFC championship game. Like in the moment, you, everyone should be complaining. If it's two days later and you're still like, that's not right. I don't know. I don't know what to say. Like it's, we've, we've moved on. They're 1-0. Michigan's 1-0. It was a little

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  ridiculous putting out like the, the 1-0 like videos of them like celebrating on the field and stuff. And Bryce, Bryce Underwood doing the, the, the jaw out, like I just did that. Dude, you played like shit.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  The storming of the field by Michigan fans. That was, uh, that was an interesting choice. I understand that Michigan fans are probably excited. They went from losing to having like an improbable win. I get that. It was just, yeah, that time and a place, I guess. It didn't feel right in the moment, but yeah. It's, um, it's not going to change, but I also don't, I'm not going to blame Western Michigan fans if they do carry this grudge.

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  Oh, yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  For years like the Saints do.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. Did you see the, uh, stat hole, stat hole sports stat?

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  No.

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  He's, he found 175 college football field storms since 2019. No team had a sadder storm field than Michigan as 27 and a half point favorites. Uh, in, in, in the last 175 field storms.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, very sad.

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  I'm sad, but then this is a problem because I am very much pro, pro field and court storming, but this one was, yeah. You can't, I mean, you can't do this one.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  You gotta have a sense of the moment.

• 11:51Speaker 00

  It's just, they, they were 27 and a half point favorites. All right.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  Would you guys think about the statement that the big 10 put out, notably the font that they chose?

• 11:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  In the statement that they put out.

• 12:01Speaker 04

  The goosebumps.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. It looked like the back of a shitty book.

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  Yeah. Or like a, like a 1994 Bruckheimer joint.

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  It was like a, a PR release from Stranger Things.

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  And it happened after everyone went to bed. It was like one in the morning. I woke up and saw it and I was like, all right, fine. You guys came up with a, a way to, to, to tell us this was fine.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  It's, I mean, it's bullshit.

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  It is. No, I agree.

• 12:24Speaker 04

  And the whole, like, if it was Western Michigan, if, if roles were reversed, Western Michigan's not getting a second back on the clock.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. And it's, it's technically, if everything they're telling us about the secret clock is true, it's technically the right call. That said, there's no chance in hell that they would have spent that much time trying to find a second for Western Michigan to throw another pass.

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  Oklahoma.

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  If, if they had the ball, there's zero chance.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  Oklahoma is, uh, is playing for not just Oklahoma, but they're playing for Kalamazoo as well on Saturday. Cause like if Michigan somehow beats Oklahoma, then, then it's like, fuck, this is the, what, what's going to happen here?

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  We're just going to start, and I, I do think they're probably going to change quarterbacks. The price underwater is better. It's, it's a crazy world because it is, it's so different now where it's like, in the years past, you could bench a sophomore quarterback who sucks. But now it's like, hey, this sophomore quarterback, he paid $10 million to.

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  I mean, is there any amount of this is that, that, that's karma? Like, is this the football gods rewarding Michigan? For doing the right thing and moving on from a bad situation last year and saying, hey, we're Michigan men, we're better than this.

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  Sharon Moore, you're out.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  You're out.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  You're out.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  The second we found out anything on toward was happening, we, we moved on as Michigan men.

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  You, yeah.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Now, you know, the, the small things add up and now you get smiled upon by the gods.

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  Yeah, true. Kyle Whittingham looked like he was like almost apologetic after the game to Lance Taylor on the, on the field.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  I think part of that was like, hey, I'm, wait, I'm coaching at a place that people will go out of their way to try to help you win.

• 13:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Like, that's crazy.

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  Sick. Uh, all right. Other big stories. I mean, the, I, I don't know what, which ones you guys want to hit. There's a bunch, but I thought like the impressive games, uh, I mean, Georgia played nobody, but they were impressive. Texas played nobody. Ohio State with the pressure of senior night, winning against Ball State was something special. That was, that was really, really nice.

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  It was touching. Yeah.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  Senior night. I didn't know this was happening until it, it was like occurring. This is crazy by Ohio State. Is it not? Like they're basically saying, we don't want to have senior night be Michigan. Like just, why did you do it? Week one? Why not do it the second, the third or last week of the season against Northwestern?

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Nothing is crazy to me anymore in college football.

• 14:37Speaker 00

  But that, but like to, to, you're basically saying we're scared of like having it be the big game.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  I, maybe it's that you don't want to.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  Makes no sense.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  You, maybe, maybe you don't want to have your seniors, like it's not their night when it's also the biggest night that you have, the biggest day that you have.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, I, I think they said something like, like after the game, there's been situations where, you know, it's, you know, we had the incident a couple of years ago. They're like, we don't want it to take away from the scene. It's just a crazy move. Ball State week one, senior night.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Week, week one is crazy. I, I do understand.

• 15:11Speaker 00

  What, Max?

• 15:11Speaker 05

  I think week one makes more sense than like the third to last week.

• 15:16Speaker 00

  Well, no, I mean, I'm saying like the, if you, if you're saying, hey, we can't do it for the Michigan game because it's just something that's just totally different and, and separate unto itself. Do it the last home game before that, which would be Northwestern, like.

• 15:29Speaker 05

  But that.

• 15:29Speaker 00

  Senior night though should be, it should be cold weather. It should, people should be in coats. Like you can't do senior night when it's a hundred degrees out against Ball State.

• 15:37Speaker 05

  I think, I think it should be the Michigan game. It should be your last game on that field.

• 15:40Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 15:41Speaker 05

  But I think, I do think that there's more, like, there's something more sentimental about your first game of your senior season.

• 15:48Speaker 00

  Against Ball State dude.

• 15:50Speaker 05

  But, but it's still like, this is the last season I'm going to be on this field. Means more than like the middle of random game.

• 15:56Speaker 00

  It wouldn't be middle. It'd be the last, second to last home game.

• 15:58Speaker 05

  Yeah. But that, that way you're, you're literally just saying, I'm scared of doing it against Michigan.

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  Well, they are.

• 16:03Speaker 05

  Still doing it now, but I think there's something more about going on to the field for your first game in your season, senior season than your middle of the pack game.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  The nice thing about doing it week one is you, everybody's healthy.

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  And you win.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  So like all the players are, they're all like, nobody's wearing like the, uh, the Letterman jacket and a walking boot going out there with their parents.

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  Yeah.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  They're all in good shape, looking forward to the season.

• 16:26Speaker 00

  I mean, they were trying to twist it being like, it's easier, easier game for all the parents to travel to. Come on.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Why? Why would that be easier for them?

• 16:33Speaker 00

  Well, like, because it's Ball State. There's no, there's no, like, all the hotels are not taken up and shit.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:39Speaker 00

  State.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  I get that.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  But that, if you, if you're starting to have that conversation, you've already lost in terms of the mental warfare. It's, it's very bizarre what's going on between the two teams because remember Kyle Whittingham said, you don't have to hate your rival.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Are they still doing, um, like, does it have to be a senior that's been there for longer than one year?

• 16:56Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  For senior night? Or is it like a transfer can come in and they get senior night?

• 17:00Speaker 00

  I assume senior night at this point is just for the guys who aren't even playing. They're just the walk-ons who have been there in the program for four or five years.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you've been in the same program now in college football for five years, uh, that there's a reason.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, okay. Uh, Oregon looked not great against Boise. That might be more credit to Boise.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:18Speaker 00

  Tougher than we thought, but that was, that was a game that was, you know, like, oh shit, there were, you know, there was a couple of games that everyone was like, oh man, what's going on here? Michigan obviously was a big one. The Oregon Boise State game was, was a big one. Baylor Auburn was one of the worst watches possible, except, I mean, the end was exciting and that tackle at the goal line was incredible, but that game was tough to watch.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also kind of like weirdly fun in a way.

• 17:43Speaker 00

  No, no, it wasn't fun at all for like the majority of it. It was really bad. There was just Byron Brown had three interceptions. It was, it was like, it was exciting for the last like three minutes.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  I like some good, bad football sometimes though.

• 17:58Speaker 00

  This was really bad.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  It's still football is what I tell myself.

• 18:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  I thought Moore looked really good for Oregon. I thought, you know, despite the fact that they struggled a little bit, I thought he played awesome. There should be a lot of people excited about him. Uh, Boise State, I, I do think it's a difference. Like Boise State is just a good team.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  They're, they're one of the best.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. And there's, and Oregon's going into it like, there's gotta be something to be said for just coming into a, a season with like all the pressure in the world. And everyone being like, you're the most loaded roster. You feel like you can't make mistakes.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  We had Miami do the opposite where Malachi Tony was just had the nerds in hell, had Stanford guys tackling each other. They look so fucking good. I know it's Stanford, so we don't know. Like we, after week one, you can't really make any definitive claims. But Malachi Tony is just so much fun to watch. So, so much fun to watch. Uh, Wisconsin got fucking buried in the second half against Notre Dame. Notre Dame looks really good. I thought they, they came out and like, I was very excited for the first half because it was the first time I've seen the Badgers look physical like that. The punt in the fourth quarter was, was, was troubling and depressing. That part, that part bummed me out. When you're down 21 and you're punting, it's like, dude, just, we just gotta go for it, but.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  That, that one like offensive weapon punt that they had earlier in the game.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  Oh, it was best punt ever.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  That's, that's classic big 10 football.

• 19:16Speaker 00

  Incredible punt.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Was that like a 65 yard punt down to inside? 80 yard punt down inside the one yard line.

• 19:22Speaker 00

  Took a crazy bounce. But yeah, I was, I'm excited. I, I would say I walked away from the, the game against Notre Dame being more excited for the season than I've been in years past after the first couple of weeks. But still realizing like, there's just such a different level to what the top five, 10 teams are playing at versus where my team is at right now. And that's okay. We just gotta keep building, but at least we were physical and we stopped the run for a half. Um, the other one was the LSU, LSU just absolutely took Clemson in the woodshed and we're going to talk about it more with, with Andy, but Dabo is, I don't know what you do now. Like he's, this is, this is rock bottom for Clemson.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  This is a, this is a team that just a few years ago was, was beating the best teams in college football on a regular basis. Like they were the best team in college football.

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Best coached team, uh, some of the best recruiting. Dabo was, uh, arguably the top coach in college football. It's like him, Nick Saban for a few years. Or it's like, they had some battles back and forth and Clemson had their number a little bit. And now it seems like Dabo is just, I don't, I don't know. Something's, something's got to change.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  It's, it was, it was pathetic. Would they, they could not move the ball. They, they just had. I mean, the fact they were up three, nothing, obviously from a tip interception to start the game, but Lane Kiffin had a hell of a day. He's, if you, I gotta say this, and I know that we're biased because we like Lane Kiffin, we like LSU. If you can't like sit back and laugh about Lane Kiffin just being the greatest troll in college football, which is a sport that is like perfect for trolls and perfect for drama, like starting the day, doing the tiger walk with Theo Von and Livy Dunin, who was the other person?

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Brooks Nader.

• 21:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Throwing a marker off a kid's head. Do you see that? Do you see him signing the football, just scribbling and just tossing it back at him? Then saying, imagine if we had NFL players to Holly Road halftime, then fucking, you know, yelling at his team at halftime, being like, we're not taking our foot off the gas and fucking screaming at them and winning 51 to 10. He's perfect for college football. You can't, you, you can't like not love what Lane Kiffin brings to college football. If you want some, some drama, some quotes, some realness, he is all of that. And he coached, he's a really goddamn good coach and he beat the fuck out of Clemson.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Do you think that Lane Kiffin was actually going to get NFL players on the roster? Do you think that's something that he wanted to do?

• 21:56Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  You do? Because the court ruled in his favor and he said, no, we're not going to do it for this game.

• 22:02Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, but the SEC was threatening them. So that's why they didn't do it. I think Lane Kiffin is the type of guy who will, is maniacal and will look for any edge until he's told he can't, which I don't know how you could blame him for that. Like he's, he's going to push the boundaries as far as they possibly can go. Then the SEC comes in and says, if you do this, we're going to kick you out of the league. And he's like, all right, fine. I won't do it. But like, if the SEC hadn't said that, he probably would have done it.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  I also think that after they said that, and then the ruling came after, he was, he liked the idea that other coaches might be preparing for some of those guys. And of course he wasn't like going to give that up. But yeah, he's obviously a great coach, great. And people forget, like LSU, Lane Kiffin can run the football. Like they score a shitload of points, but LSU's running game this year so far looks to be like a massive improvement over how, you remember, what game was it last year where Brian Kelly was like, oh, we couldn't run the football? Well, then he didn't watch the last, he didn't watch the last series then.

• 23:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  Where it was a, you know, basically game over and just kind of run the clock out. But yeah, LSU, they are, I think with the way that Sam Levitt played, you have to imagine they are definitely a team that can win the national championship.

• 23:16Speaker 00

  But to answer your question about Lane Kiffin, like what, if Belichick did this in the pros, everyone would be like, that's just Belichick outsmarting him. Like he's just a guy looking for edges. And until you tell him you can't do that, he's gonna keep doing it, which I kind of respect. He's like, I'm gonna push the bow, I'm gonna do it until someone says I can't. And then when they say I can't, fine, I won't, but I'll make a joke about it. And I like that. All right. What other, we had the Apple Cup, which was depressing, the fact that the Apple Cup played in, in the first week of the season, Washington, Washington State, you know, they, they, they were struggling, but they stayed in the game. And that, you know, having any type of rivalry

• 23:57Speaker 00

  game, I just hope that it stays. I'm trying to think what other games. Ole Miss, Ole Miss just continues, they basically just did an extension of their playoff run in that they were just playing the most exciting ridiculous games. Because the first half was boring and the second half was just like, oh, we forgot, we're going to play in a shootout. And Louisville was game for the shootout back, big play back and forth, and they went, win with a walk off field goal.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Let's get our ass against the wall and then see what Trinidad can do.

• 24:27Speaker 00

  Right.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  That was kind of, and you know what?

• 24:29Speaker 00

  It's like, I'm watching a playoff game right now.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  You know what? That's an awesome way to play football and I love watching it.

• 24:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. I'm trying to think what other, any other, Penn State looked good. By the way, Max, do we owe James Franklin an apology?

• 24:45Speaker 05

  For?

• 24:46Speaker 00

  It seems to me that James Franklin was doing a pretty good job of not bending the knee to all the Penn State alum being like, we need to be celebrating Jopa. Because the Jopa stuff is back. And if it doesn't, it feels like not a coincidence it's when James Franklin left.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  I, I don't know anything about the Jopa stuff.

• 25:09Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  What's your statement on Jopa?

• 25:13Speaker 02

  You've never addressed this.

• 25:14Speaker 00

  Oh, no. Oh, no.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  Now that James Franklin's gone, you can feel free to speak your mind.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  I, I don't, I don't know what we're talking about.

• 25:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  You don't, you don't know?

• 25:25Speaker 05

  What's going on?

• 25:26Speaker 02

  This is exactly what got Jopa in trouble. I don't know what that is.

• 25:28Speaker 00

  You told me about it? You said you didn't know?

• 25:32Speaker 05

  I have, I have nothing to do with anything.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  He told Hank, he told Hank his opinion. And then Hank did not forward that to us.

• 25:38Speaker 05

  So I don't, I don't know your, what's going?

• 25:40Speaker 02

  What's going on? What is that? Sex and a man? I don't understand.

• 25:42Speaker 00

  There's a Jopa, like interactive experience now that has been debuted. They also had,

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Just putting on a blindfold?

• 25:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. They, they did a, the, the new state, I think they did a renovation at Beaver Stadium. And section 409 is a different color than all the other ones, signifying his 409 wins. It just feels like James Franklin maybe was doing a good job being like, hey, guys, we, we gotta, we gotta stop with the Jopa stuff.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Let's look forward here.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. And Matt Campbell's like, hey, you have money? Oh, you need me to just say Jopa was, was right? Okay, fine. You didn't know? I got you.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Would that be, would that be the ultimate piece of memorabilia to acquire here at Barstool Sports?

• 26:23Speaker 00

  I've said it before.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  The Jopa statue?

• 26:25Speaker 00

  I want the Jopa statue.

• 26:26Speaker 05

  You said that's your, you said that's the holy grail.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  Putting it in the front, the, the conversations you'd have to have afterwards would be so awkward. Like imagine PCA walks in, he's like, is that, is that Joe Paterno? We're like, that's the statue. But he probably walks back out, but at least it would be a fun interaction.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  We should get him and we should have him just facing the wall. So he's always looking the other way.

• 26:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Send it to us.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  They won't. It's going back up. No, it's, it's 100% going back up. I would, I would love to, I would love to make a bet on that.

• 27:04Speaker 05

  At some point, it'll probably go back.

• 27:06Speaker 00

  It is going back.

• 27:08Speaker 05

  I think, I think within 10 years, it'll go back.

• 27:11Speaker 00

  I, I'd say five.

• 27:12Speaker 05

  I'm willing, I'm willing to say more than five, less than 10.

• 27:17Speaker 00

  Will you be visiting it?

• 27:19Speaker 05

  I mean, I'll go to, I'll, I'll.

• 27:20Speaker 00

  Okay. So he'll visit it. Okay.

• 27:22Speaker 05

  I won't be like seeking it out, but I'm sure.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  Will you, will you, will you have eyes on the Jopa statue at some point in your life?

• 27:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. I'm willing to, I'm willing to say a hundred percent.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  What's crazy is that Max and Hank's we are video was really the catalyst that got James Franklin fired, which might be the reason why the statue comes back.

• 27:41Speaker 05

  That, that video, that video doesn't even exist.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Max brought back the Jopa statue.

• 27:46Speaker 05

  You're welcome. You're welcome.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 27:53Speaker 05

  Penn State looked good though.

• 27:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, they did. They did.

• 27:56Speaker 05

  It takes me four weeks to know the players on, it's, it's too hard. It's too hard.

• 28:01Speaker 00

  It's tough. And it's also like, again, week one, outside of like a couple of games, everyone should look good. That's what week one is for. Everyone should show up and look good. Colin Coward has USC as the number one team in the country now.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  Does he?

• 28:17Speaker 00

  After beating Fresno and San Jose State.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. The two, two big foes.

• 28:22Speaker 00

  Two, two and O. We've seen enough.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  I do think USC is going to be pretty good.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, I also, I will say the Alabama's quarterback is electric. I watched some of that game and he is, he is, I know his ECU. So who knows if like the speed difference, but from, from, from the first, from the first looks of it, I was like, yes, I'm in. He's a college football quarterback.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  You see Tennessee and their, their new tradition that I, I hope they're starting. I think it might be just a one-off, but I think they're going to make it all season long.

• 28:51Speaker 00

  What is it?

• 28:52Speaker 02

  Dolly Parton. I think it's either halftime or before the fourth quarter. Everybody in the stadium sings, I will always love.

• 28:58Speaker 00

  Love that. That is cool.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  It's pretty cool. I like that.

• 29:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. That is cool.

• 29:03Speaker 04

  That'd be funny if they're getting just smoked.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  That would be funny. That's tough. That would be tough.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  That actually, yes, that'd be great.

• 29:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, listen, I like, I'm at the point now where I think the Badgers have to like stop, jump around until we like start winning games. Cause like when you jump around and you're down 20, it's not fun. That's not a fun thing to do.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  It's not a fun jump?

• 29:25Speaker 00

  You just, you need to, you need to have time in place with some of these things.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:28Speaker 00

  It's like, if, if it's a one score game, let's fucking go. If it's a blowout, it's hard to jump around. It just is. You just gotta be honest with it.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  I was, I was at Tennessee, this is probably 2015, they lost a big game early in the year against Notre Dame and it was like double or triple overtime. And the scene on campus after, like, cause you know, when everyone sings Rocky Top, you like have to sing along if you're a Tennessee fan. And it was like at bars, people, it was the funniest, saddest, like good old Rocky Top. Woo. It was, it was so, so, so funny. The saddest, the saddest Rocky Top ever, but people couldn't, couldn't not sing it. But they were, everyone was just so defeated.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Having those traditions that start before the fourth quarter, you're right. You get into some, you can find yourself in a sad spot. Like if the Steelers play a sad Renegade.

• 30:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  You know, and then you, then you run the risk of kind of losing the magic of that song in the first.

• 30:24Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Like all other times that you played in a close game, you're just reminded of a time that you were getting your ass kicked.

• 30:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. The swamp, don't back down if you're getting just smoked.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  You're backing down.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:36Speaker 00

  Big time. It's good to have college football back. Memes, you, you spent all weekend glued to the televisions. What, do you have any other things that we missed? Cause I, I love that memes. I know you didn't. Did you leave your house on Saturday?

• 30:50Speaker 06

  On Saturday? No.

• 30:51Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 30:51Speaker 06

  Sunday, Sunday. I, I got some air.

• 30:53Speaker 00

  Fucking love that. It was the perfect weather all weekend.

• 30:57Speaker 06

  Perfect. Like legit.

• 30:58Speaker 00

  Like, like Sunday might've been the best weather day ever.

• 31:03Speaker 06

  Yeah. And today was pretty good too.

• 31:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. So what, what did you, any, any other big, big notes?

• 31:09Speaker 06

  No other big notes. I thought it was just a loss for the big 10 overall. I wasn't that impressed with it.

• 31:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, Oregon struggled and Michigan, like that was, those were two notable, big 10 didn't look great.

• 31:22Speaker 06

  But based on every preview we had, I thought it was just top to bottom. They were gonna smoke everybody. That didn't happen. SEC went undefeated for the first time since, I'm not sure, but.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  SEC's back.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  That's a good stat. Good stat. Really good stat. From the first time since I don't know when.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Since probably a long time.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  Probably a long time. Good stat. That's a really, really good stat. Do you see Sig's handshake by the way? Still the same.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:48Speaker 00

  Dead fish.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  Josh Hoover looked like, I mean, that's a football guy. He was just leaking blood everywhere.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was cool.

• 31:55Speaker 00

  We were down in Bloomington. The, the fans were, were pumped.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  That was awesome to see. Um, UCLA, late game.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  That was great. Guy, I love watching, um, uh, how do you say his name? Sagatelli?

• 32:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Um, from Cal. He's a fun quarterback to watch. And that was just a great game between, uh, Cal and UCLA after dark.

• 32:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. You just, you can just say J K S.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. J K S. Sagatelli. Uh, but yeah, that was, it was a great, great day of college football.

• 32:22Speaker 00

  It really was.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  It really, it's, it's perfect. I'm so glad that it's back.

• 32:25Speaker 00

  I hope we don't get, ever get to a point where, um, cause I think this probably is going to happen with the NFL eventually going to 18 games. Is it, is it next year? No, they didn't say it. I hope we don't get to a point though, that NFL goes on Labor Day weekend. Cause I do love that we get to get back into football with just all eyes on college football for one weekend.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was nice. It was great.

• 32:48Speaker 00

  It eases us back in and we have more foot, with all the football in front of us right now.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  It did feel weird having LSU not lose that game in heartbreaking fashion though.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. Although they won last year against Clemson.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  It just seemed, that's true. Yeah. That was, that was one where last year it's like, wow, uh, what a good game. Maybe both these teams will be great.

• 33:05Speaker 00

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• 34:35Speaker 04

  So ready. So excited.

• 34:37Speaker 00

  We're going to be streaming Wednesday and Thursday. Uh, Wednesday's PMT, we have Peter Schrager and, uh, Cam Scatabo on. And we are going to do our picks too as well for the NFL season. And then Friday's show will be our root, uh, our regular week one preview. So we're ready, locked and loaded.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  And we also got some NFL news today. Tua Tagovailoa is going to be the starter for the Falcons.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Okay, great.

• 35:03Speaker 04

  Michael Pennix said he's close though.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  He's close. So close.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Great. Um, I said, how close? Is he like three days worth of close?

• 35:10Speaker 04

  He's just said he's close.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Okay. I hope he's like really, really, I hope he's closer than he thinks.

• 35:15Speaker 00

  Get closer, closer and closer. I said, uh, at, at, at the, uh, oh, what's that headline?

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Which one?

• 35:24Speaker 00

  Oh, that was why he's trending. Okay. Vrabel moved on, but the fallout ripples around the NFL. Who wrote that story? Oh, is that a, uh, Don Van Natta?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  No, it's Ben Strauss.

• 35:34Speaker 04

  No, ESPN.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, you never want to see the Don Van Natta joint.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  You're always in trouble if Don Van Natta is reporting on you. Um, I, Tua's starting, i- is that the most like? I guess Deshaun would also be a, a very, uh,

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Give up?

• 35:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. It, there really isn't much that gets you pumped. I, I likened it to, cause everyone's seeing right now, shout out to AWLs who tweeted us. They did, uh, to, to decide their fantasy draft order. They did a cigarette race. Who can smoke a cigarette fast enough or faster? And that was cool. But we see a lot of the fantasy punishments. Having to start Tua, like announce Tua as your starter to, to begin an NFL season in 2026, that feels like a fantasy punishment.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  What if you're, uh, Stefanski?

• 36:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like he lost his league and they're like, you won't, like, all right, dude. Stefanski, here are your options. You could sit in a McDonald's for 24 hours or you can start Tua.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. For every interception that he throws, it takes an hour off. Have fun. Or Waffle House. He's in Atlanta now.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  I don't know. If Tua, if Tua maybe like throws one touchdown to Kyle Pitts, I'll probably be all the way back.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  The left hand, it's.

• 36:41Speaker 00

  He just has to do one cool thing. And I'm like, fuck man, this guy, I'm a, I'm a two and on through and through.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  That's, it, it just seems like that was, he waited till the last second, just hoping against hope that there'd be a, a magical advancement in medical technology.

• 36:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  He'd be able to start Pennix.

• 36:58Speaker 00

  Pennix. Um, Goodell was extended. Really happy for the guy.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  It's going to run till he's like 70.

• 37:05Speaker 00

  Probably getting paid $70 million a year. What is his salary now?

• 37:08Speaker 02

  Uh, 65 mil annually is what he's going to be getting.

• 37:12Speaker 00

  That is so much fucking money.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. So this, um,

• 37:17Speaker 00

  So he gets paid more than the highest paid quarterback.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Yes. It's going to run through March 31st, 2031. At that point, Goodell will have 25 seasons as commissioner under his belt. And he will be 72 years old.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  How, is he a billionaire?

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Gotta be.

• 37:32Speaker 00

  Probably not.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  I don't think so because.

• 37:34Speaker 00

  How much money was he making? Well, how long has he been? He's been commissioner for 25 years, you said?

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, at the end he will be.

• 37:42Speaker 00

  He was making 40 million, I think.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  So I think he's around 20 seasons.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  All right. So.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  But you forget big cat, since he's involved in sports, there's taxes.

• 37:51Speaker 00

  True. All right. So he's not a billionaire.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Not a billionaire.

• 37:54Speaker 00

  300 million?

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Unless he has secret.

• 37:56Speaker 00

  Kind of a broke boy.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Unless he has secret equity.

• 37:59Speaker 00

  That'd be, that'd be crazy if Goodell stayed commissioner long enough that he became richer than all the owners and just did a fucking Uno reverse on him.

• 38:06Speaker 04

  Ends as a commissioner and buys a team.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. He's like, gotcha, boys. Oh, Jerry Jones, thinking of push me around? Guess what? Read what you've been paying me for the last 50 years.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  I'm a billionaire now.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  So, so Jerry just said the other day, there's no succession plan in place.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Just one day he won't show up. That'd be very funny if.

• 38:24Speaker 00

  Wait, for Jerry or Goodell?

• 38:26Speaker 02

  No, for Jerry.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  If, if Jerry just passes the Cowboys down to Goodell.

• 38:32Speaker 00

  That would be very funny. That also, that's, that's gotta suck being one of Jerry Jones's kids being like, dad, could you just at least say it?

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Say, and then you can.

• 38:40Speaker 00

  Say it so we don't have to fight over it.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Change the will.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Or he just gives it to Tony Romo. That would be cool.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  That would be great too.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  Like my, the son I never had.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. You made it, Tony. Thank you.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  Steven, I wish you could throw the ball like Tony. Um, okay. Other, others, oh, Jameis got a two-year deal. Congrats to Jameis. Pump for him. He's, uh, he, how many games Jameis Winston going to play to this year? Not rooting for injuries, but how many?

• 39:05Speaker 02

  But realistically, I would say, um,

• 39:10Speaker 02

  I'm going to put Jameis down for three starts.

• 39:12Speaker 00

  I was going to say three as well.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  Three starts would be good.

• 39:14Speaker 00

  Which will be fun. The league is a better place when Jameis is starting football games.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  It truly is. And I also think that Jameis right now should be the first call that anybody makes if they have a starter, a non-Tua starter.

• 39:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Um, that they need, actually think about that big cat.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Jameis on the Falcons.

• 39:32Speaker 00

  That would be cool.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Think how fun that would be.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  Stefanski could knows how to use them.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  They got like all first round picks anyways.

• 39:37Speaker 00

  That would be fucking awesome.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  Get Jameis down there.

• 39:40Speaker 00

  That would be so sick.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  From the South.

• 39:43Speaker 00

  The, uh, did you guys see the clip of Kyle Shanahan not understanding time zones?

• 39:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, we should play that clip because it's.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  It's very relatable.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  Extremely relatable. This is a conversation that it sounds like we've had on this exact podcast numerous times.

• 39:54Speaker 00

  He's, he's in absolute hell right now, trying to figure out what day it is. Also, thoughts and prayers to Raheem Morris. He lost his birthday.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:05Speaker 00

  That was tragic. So Raheem Morris, I don't know why Schefter tweeted this. Schefter tweeted this in the middle of the day. He said, 49ers defensive coordinator, Raheem Morris turned 50 years old Thursday, September 3rd. It also happened to be the day the 49ers flew to Australia, leaving Wednesday night, September 2nd and arriving Friday morning, September 4th, local time. The 49ers lost the day, but Morris lost his 50th birthday.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Dang. So he's still a 49er.

• 40:33Speaker 00

  Fuck.

• 40:34Speaker 05

  That does suck. I mean, that's a fun fact.

• 40:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. Schefter should have thrown that in there at the end.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  Forever 49.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Forever 49 or always. He never, never happened. I don't, I don't think I wished him happy birthday because I think I knew.

• 40:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, you did know. You absolutely knew. Cause you would have had that.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  I was all over Raheem Morris's birthday.

• 40:51Speaker 00

  Raheem Morris should get a, he should go to Jed York and be like, hey, man, uh, I'm, I love this team so much. I'm not going to do my 50th birthday. Also.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Honestly, that's.

• 40:59Speaker 00

  What were you, what were you trying to do?

• 41:01Speaker 02

  That's probably good for him.

• 41:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. Tell me what you were going to do.

• 41:03Speaker 00

  What were you trying to do? And he's Palestine, bro.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  I'll trade you my birthday, my 50th birthday for the real deal. What, what kind of hole were you trying to get in there, coach? Yeah. I think, uh, I think Kyle is just as confused about whether or not they made the right choice to go to Australia as we are.

• 41:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:19Speaker 02

  And, uh, I think my, my angle on this game stays the same. And that's, I think that the 49ers will win this game because they care about it. And I think the Rams will lose this game because they don't care about it. And they'll go back and then the Rams will be much better in the next, next couple of weeks than the Niners.

• 41:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Play the clip.

• 41:41Speaker 07

  When I look at my clock and it says the time, and then I try to see my family's time and then it says the time, but it says yesterday. I don't even get how that's possible. Um, so I feel like I'm in the future. And then also when we play on our Friday, which I think is a Thursday in the U S, we're such creatures of habit. So I call today, Tuesday.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  No, wait. Sorry. I called today Wednesday, um, which is the first day we put in a game plan. But I think it's Monday. However, though, it's Sunday in the present. So like, I'm gonna mess that up all week if you guys ask me, but today is just our first day of the game plan, which is a Wednesday. And we'll put in some on a Thursday. Friday is the final part of the game plan. Saturday, we walk there when we play on Sunday, which is a Friday in Australia and a Thursday in the US. So.

• 42:19Speaker 05

  And you said every day.

• 42:21Speaker 00

  And you're telling me people listen to this podcast? Like, that's what we sound like.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  Max also had this happen to him in Italy. So he's gonna, he reminded me that he was on, uh, and who says they understand time zones is a liar.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  You know what's crazy is that I, I kinda, through listening to us have this same conversation, I think I followed exactly along.

• 42:43Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  With what Kyle Shanahan said.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  I think I actually got it.

• 42:47Speaker 00

  I knew what he was saying. No good for SMU.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  Hank, this is what you wanted.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  No, it's not.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. How? You're growing the game.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, you gotta figure out time zones. Like, I don't know.

• 43:04Speaker 05

  No.

• 43:05Speaker 00

  No, you, you, we have time zones here. We have, we have.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  I still struggle with our time zones.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Four times.

• 43:15Speaker 00

  We have four time zones, dude. I almost said three.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  We got Hawaii. We don't really need to talk about that.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  People do kinda forget about the mountain time. It just doesn't really.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  That's only there half the year.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  Well, it's Denver.

• 43:25Speaker 00

  Well, no, it's just, there's not that many people.

• 43:28Speaker 05

  And Arizona doesn't even do it.

• 43:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, they say, fuck that.

• 43:30Speaker 00

  Well, they do it.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  We're not getting into that. We're not gonna have that conversation. Remember when we had like an hour long conversation about whether or not Arizona counted as a West Coast team?

• 43:39Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  Because there was some team that was like undefeated against West Coast teams?

• 43:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 05

  Well, they're half of.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  But yeah, Hank, congratulations. We're in Australia. I hope they love it. They're not gonna care about it in a week when everybody leaves. And then those teams are gonna come back to the United States and they're gonna feel like they're living in Russia. So, great. Good for the shield.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Growing the game, yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  Growing the game.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  Uh, by the way, we just got our dingers only update. Zach, you still are in last.

• 44:08Speaker 04

  You're in second now, though.

• 44:08Speaker 00

  I know. That's a problem.

• 44:10Speaker 05

  Good jump, though.

• 44:10Speaker 00

  Dever's had six home runs. So Zach is in last. Max, you're 10 ahead of Zach. Hank is runaway with it.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Runaway.

• 44:19Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Great ball.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  Ball knower.

• 44:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Jersey Jerry just has been in this league for three years, still doesn't understand the rules. So he's, he's just texting, I've, I've had two players out since 7/26 and 7/27, requesting to add two players in a DH and left fielder. You can only add one. We all know that. Or one plus pedophile rule.

• 44:43Speaker 02

  So, um.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  By the way, I was thinking.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Joe Pa, where would he be in Dingers Only?

• 44:48Speaker 00

  Max?

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Allowed.

• 44:50Speaker 05

  What? No.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  You couldn't drop him.

• 44:52Speaker 05

  No, you could. You could drop him for sure.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  I got a dumb question.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  No, you can't. Now, you should say that we can't drop him.

• 44:58Speaker 05

  But he was removed due, due to.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  But that, but now we're saying.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  He also doesn't even play baseball.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Now we're saying bad removal.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  I have a dumb question. I, I can't remember if this was a conversation we had maybe a year ago, or if it was on the Yak. It's all, it's all one song. But I was at the zoo with my son on Sunday, and the baby rhino at the Lincoln Park Zoo has gotten too big. No longer a baby. Kind of fucking gross. Are we just pedophiles for ba, for animals?

• 45:28Speaker 00

  We are.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 45:29Speaker 00

  I mean, puppies.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Well, you don't wanna fuck them.

• 45:32Speaker 00

  No, but you, we all think that the baby animals are cuter than the adult animals.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  People love babies, too.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 45:38Speaker 00

  But we don't think that, like, I don't know.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  It's true across all species. I think you're, the, the children of, like, any animal, they're cuter.

• 45:46Speaker 00

  No, but like a six, a six month old, people say a baby's cute. Babies all look the same. People just say it because they have to say it. You see a fucking puppy, you see a baby rhino, a little, a little pygmy hippo. Those things are cute.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  But you don't wanna fuck.

• 46:01Speaker 00

  Like, no, I know, but I'm saying, we, we all, we all are, like, like the baby animals more than the adult animals.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  I also think with animals, you know that a baby one can't kill you.

• 46:12Speaker 00

  True.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  But the adult ones.

• 46:14Speaker 00

  I just, just a stupid thought I had. But yeah, I, I don't think, I don't think it's the same as, like, ba, actual babies. Cause like, again, all babies, a six month old baby looks the same across the board. People just have to say, oh, that's good. I did that this weekend. I saw, there was a, I was at a barbecue. There was a two month old baby. I was like, oh, it's so cute. No, it was just a baby. It was a fucking baby.

• 46:33Speaker 05

  Some babies are ugly.

• 46:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, but they're, but like.

• 46:36Speaker 05

  Go off.

• 46:37Speaker 04

  Most babies look like aliens.

• 46:39Speaker 00

  Kids are cute when they start saying funny things, not when they're like little blobs, two month old blobs. You're not like, oh, that's so cute. You have to say it for social, you know, graces. You think there's ugly babies?

• 46:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, for sure. There's ugly babies. I think there's, I think there's like standard baby, and then there, like, standard cute baby, and then there's ugly baby.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  There's, there's replacement level baby. There's Zero War baby, and then there's Kyle Tucker.

• 47:04Speaker 05

  I know what you're saying of, like, there's cute baby, like, cute babies across the board, and then there's like, ooh, not cute baby.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Right. I think it's, I think it's normal baby and outlier baby.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  And outlier baby. Like, the normal baby is, like, the Gerber baby.

• 47:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  The logo baby.

• 47:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, little, little round cheeks.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  That's what it is. That's your standard baby.

• 47:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  I just, I, I was heartbroken. The, the baby rhino, yeah, he's like, he's probably like 600 pounds now. It's just not, it's not the same.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, get over yourself. Get over yourself, Rhino.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, okay, should we, oh, dude, don't get, don't get the riders in the room going about the red rhino.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. What's he up to?

• 47:43Speaker 00

  He's probably making 200K a year.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  He's gonna be at the, uh, next surviving Barstool, right?

• 47:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, okay, do we have any other sports stories going on before we do who's back of the week? We'll probably hit some more. Trying to think, um, that, just, that hot dog bun video from Toronto was sick.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Putting the dog in the bun?

• 48:04Speaker 00

  That's all I got. That was awesome.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was pretty good.

• 48:07Speaker 00

  That was a very cool moment in dumb sports history.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  It was pretty good. Uh, UNC football, under big microscope right now.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, what's going on there, Hank?

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, Hank.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  Uh, there's just a internal investigation going on.

• 48:21Speaker 00

  For what?

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Uh, inappropriate relationships between staffers, staff members, potential drug use from some of the coaches. It's all being investigated. So I don't, I don't, uh, Steve Belichick has left the team.

• 48:36Speaker 00

  Oh. Mike Lombardi, he's still there.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  Mike Lombardi has left the team.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  There's investigations going on. They're one and O.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. That should be the boilerplate answer. One and O.

• 48:50Speaker 00

  What kind of drugs are they saying he did? Weed?

• 48:52Speaker 04

  Weed.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  Oh, come on. What are we doing? We're doing an investigation.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  I don't know. It's, I don't, I don't, it's, it's not, you know, the details aren't, haven't been specified. That's the rumor. That's the rumor.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Where'd you hear that rumor?

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Dave Portnoy.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 49:05Speaker 00

  Okay, unbiased.

• 49:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Do you think that if it's weed?

• 49:09Speaker 00

  Talking weed? How did he find out?

• 49:11Speaker 02

  If it's weed, I say no harm, no foul.

• 49:14Speaker 00

  That's a crazy thing to be investigating for weed.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  What if it's something worse than weed?

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Who knows? That's why they're doing investigations.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  Worse or better?

• 49:22Speaker 02

  Both.

• 49:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think it'd be better.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Cooler.

• 49:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Not cooler.

• 49:27Speaker 00

  Or, or like more potent.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Maybe he's just really, really excited that their quarterback looks awesome, like MVP level.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  And so maybe that's why he chose to do the other drugs.

• 49:39Speaker 00

  Could happen to anyone.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Also, somebody sent me the, um, the clip from when Belichick got hired, and he brought Steve on as his defense coordinator, that, that episode of Part of My Take.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  It's worth, it's an interesting conversation.

• 49:54Speaker 00

  Why?

• 49:54Speaker 02

  It's just interesting. It's just an interesting conversation.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  What do we say?

• 49:58Speaker 02

  We just talked a little bit about what nepotism is, what it isn't.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  Did you see the, the, uh, they're trying to shame the, what, what round are we at in the US Open? Does anyone know?

• 50:11Speaker 04

  16.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  They were trying to shame the, the, the two, the two women who are billionaire daughters.

• 50:18Speaker 04

  It's tennis.

• 50:19Speaker 00

  It's tennis. They're like, oh, both of them are matched up. Like, they're both, like, fathers were billionaires. It's tennis. They still have to be really good.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  You still gotta win.

• 50:30Speaker 00

  Like, yeah, of course, they probably had, actually, no, I actually think it's the opposite. If you, if you had, like, endless amounts of money, you, and you're just like, Dad, I'm not doing tennis anymore. I'm not, why would I do tennis anymore? I'm, I'm, I'm gonna get all your money when you die.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  Also, not to be like, you know, judgmental, but like, you assume a billionaire, like, probably not the most athletic genes.

• 50:50Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Right. And that just means that she's got that dog in her.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. But it's harder to get, it's like, you know, doing road work in silk pajamas. It's hard to get, hard to find that hunger when you're a billionaire's daughter. So credit to that.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:03Speaker 00

  All right, let's do who's back of the week. Then we have two great interviews. We talked a lot more college football with Andy Staples and then we have Western Michigan head coach Lance Taylor. And are you going to do our fantasy football for who's back or we do it at the end?

• 51:16Speaker 02

  I can do it for who's back.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  Okay, all right. Yeah. All right. So we got our fantasy football results from Jerry O'Connell drafting. Before we do who's back of the week, Farmer's Dog, this episode is brought to you by Farmer's Dog. The Farmer's Dog makes real food for dogs. It's never ultra processed, just real meat, fresh veggies, all gently cooked. Stella's been a Farmer's Dog. Actually, before Farmer's Dog was even a sponsor of this show, we found it when Stella was going through some health problems. Three or four years ago, we found Farmer's Dog. She absolutely loves it. It's super easy to use. You get a big delivery, you put them in your freezer, then you just defrost them overnight. She's got fresh food. It's made to human grade safety standards.

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• 52:42Speaker 00

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• 53:26Speaker 04

  Um, who's back of the week, speaking of dogs, is Peter Herb Street.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Big time back.

• 53:32Speaker 04

  Big time back. Uh, you know, you, a lot of, lot of negative press, honestly. I feel like, you know, two years ago, a lot of positive press. Last year, a lot of negative press. And then this year they, they came out with an entire Peter Herb Street pop up merch shop.

• 53:46Speaker 00

  Why did they call it a pop up?

• 53:49Speaker 04

  Good, good question. Good idea.

• 53:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  I don't think they were, they're not thinking like.

• 53:52Speaker 00

  For charity?

• 53:55Speaker 04

  Was it for charity?

• 53:56Speaker 00

  I'm asking, because you're taking a line here of.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  I'm just saying he's back. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not making a judgment one way or the other.

• 54:05Speaker 00

  Was it for charity?

• 54:06Speaker 04

  Nearly just, you know, delivering news as is my job to say who's back of the week. It's college football is back. Peter Herb Street is so back that they, they had an entire pop, pup up. Shop for Peter Herb Street merch for all the Peter Herb Street fans in Baton Rouge.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Do you think that, that Kirk Herb Street only wants male dogs?

• 54:27Speaker 04

  Probably.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  Think he makes his dogs do a handstand?

• 54:30Speaker 02

  That's what I was saying. He might be shaking dogs upside down right after they're done. You know, if they're in heat.

• 54:35Speaker 00

  Was it for charity?

• 54:37Speaker 04

  I don't know. I'm, the way you're asking that, I'm assuming it was.

• 54:41Speaker 00

  I think it was.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. So he's back. So charity's back. Yeah. So Peter, Peter Herb Street is back and he's helping charities.

• 54:48Speaker 00

  Love that. Great.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  It's awesome.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  Good news.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Uh, also Nathan Fielder's back.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Nathan for you.

• 54:53Speaker 00

  Cannot wait.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Documentary trailer. He was with Theranos. Uh, what's her name? Elizabeth?

• 55:00Speaker 00

  Holmes.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  Elizabeth Holmes for three months before she went to prison and then they continued it while she was in prison. The documentary trailer was like scary.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:12Speaker 04

  I thought it was fake. It was like, it was just them, you know, very close intimately, like face to face. Talking about how she was like, she would never deceive them. It was, I can't wait to see it.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Apparently there's, there's a twist in it that is such a major plot point to the movie that in the movie, they ask people that have seen it not to reveal to anybody else what the plot twist is.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'm so excited.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  Was it, did he goes on her side?

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Maybe Tony kills Christopher?

• 55:40Speaker 00

  No, they said there's a, there's a cameo that they don't want people to reveal.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. Surprise people so much.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  But yeah, it looks awesome.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  That's exciting. I didn't even see that, that, that part of the news. That's exciting.

• 55:54Speaker 00

  Very excited.

• 55:55Speaker 04

  But yeah, I've never seen a documentary in theaters, but I think this is probably going to be the first one.

• 56:01Speaker 00

  All right. Think if I've seen a documentary.

• 56:02Speaker 02

  I think I have. I saw Hoop Dreams in theaters.

• 56:05Speaker 00

  I saw.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  Oh, actually, what was the Al Gore one?

• 56:09Speaker 02

  Inconvenient Truth.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Inconvenient Truth. I thought that was like a movie and I went and saw it with my mom. I was like, this is, this was, that was not what I was expecting.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  From that point on, Hank hated the environment.

• 56:19Speaker 05

  I, I remember watching March of the Penguins.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  Thinking that it was going to be like a, like a nice movie about Penguins and it was not. And I was pissed.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. I saw my dad maybe see, uh, When We Were Kings, the Muhammad Ali documentary. That was a good dad move by him in, in the theaters.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  Fahrenheit 911. Saw that in theaters.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Michael Moore bowling for Columbine as well. Okay. Good. Who's back?

• 56:44Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Good. Who's back Hank?

• 56:45Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  My other who's back of the week, in addition to the fantasy review we're about to do is dogs. Also dogs.

• 56:51Speaker 00

  Peter Herb Street?

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Not Peter Herb Street, uh, Philly. The Philly Dogs.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  The Philadelphia, the Fluffy Water Dogs.

• 57:00Speaker 00

  We're back?

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Fluffy Water Dogs beat Boston. The summer of Hank losing continues.

• 57:06Speaker 00

  Wait, what round are we in?

• 57:07Speaker 02

  That was the semifinals.

• 57:09Speaker 00

  Fuck yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 05

  So. Finals.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  We're back in the dogs. We're back in the finals now.

• 57:13Speaker 00

  When is that?

• 57:13Speaker 02

  Denver. Uh, it's on, good question. I believe it's on NFL week one, Sunday.

• 57:18Speaker 00

  Okay. We now have an extra TV?

• 57:20Speaker 02

  We do. Yeah.

• 57:21Speaker 00

  So who knows?

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Oh, wait, no, no. Sunday, September 20th, it looks like.

• 57:26Speaker 00

  Oh, so week two.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  The Outlaws versus the Water Dogs.

• 57:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  So Fluffy.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  Philadelphia?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  Water Dogs.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Hank gets beaten again.

• 57:35Speaker 05

  But he's.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  But I win. Yeah.

• 57:36Speaker 05

  You're a dogs guy.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Uh, my other who's back of the week is going to be Jerry O'Connell. And fantasy football. So Jerry completed his fantasy football draft today. Uh, he sent me the entire lineup. He said, I am ashamed. I had a bad, bad draft.

• 57:55Speaker 00

  Why?

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Apparently he did the draft from a McDonald's on their wifi and the wifi was going out because other people were streaming there.

• 58:03Speaker 00

  What do you, what does that mean?

• 58:04Speaker 02

  Uh, he's trying to keep the draft. He didn't want to tell his family where he was. I think he snuck out and he was like, I'm going to be gone for a while. I've got meetings.

• 58:11Speaker 00

  This is all he has.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  And then he went to do his fantasy football draft at McDonald's. So here's.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 58:18Speaker 02

  Apparently what happened, now this is explanation, uh, because you will see that the running back room is, is, uh, thin at best for us. He said that, uh, he messed up. He took Lamar and AJ. He thought David Montgomery or Trevion would suffice. I messed up. He did not realize that Trevion Henderson was injured to the point where he might not be starting. So here's a starting lineup. Quarterback Lamar Jackson.

• 58:44Speaker 00

  Okay. He said he was going to go for Lamar. Yeah.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Two running backs, Breece Hall, Trevion Henderson.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  AJ Brown, receiver, Terry McLaurin, receiver.

• 58:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  Travis Kelsey, tight end.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  What?

• 58:56Speaker 02

  C.D. Lamb, flex, Evan McPherson, kicker.

• 59:00Speaker 00

  That's, I mean, C.D. Lamb is the, is the best receiver we've got.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I guess you could, you could bounce those around.

• 59:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  And then Jaguars defense and Evan McPherson as the kicker on our bench. This is where it gets kind of ugly. We got, uh, Tate at receiver from Tennessee.

• 59:16Speaker 00

  Cornell Tate.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  He's questionable right now. Thomas, Brian Thomas, Jr., uh, from Jacksonville.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  There's zero running backs on this team.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Mackay Lemon, we, we drafted him too. We drafted.

• 59:25Speaker 00

  We have a lot of wide receivers.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Lot of receivers.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  We drafted Chris Rodriguez from the, from the commanders and he's like third or fourth string running back.

• 59:32Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  He's got it. Yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  We have, uh, Woody Marks from Houston and.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  Another backup.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Tyrone Tracy from the Giants.

• 59:39Speaker 05

  Another backup.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Another backup.

• 59:41Speaker 00

  But we have wide receivers to trade.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  We have so many wide receivers.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  Do we have any other, do we have any other tight end except Travis Kelsey?

• 59:47Speaker 02

  No, no, that's the only tight end that, that appears that we have. He's actively trying to trade Lamar and AJ for Scataboo and Pickens.

• 59:55Speaker 00

  The real loser in this is everyone else in the league.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, because they're.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  Jerry, Jerry drafted a completely lopsided roster, so he's going to have to make a lot of trades. So he's going to have to text a lot of people.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  There's been one other development that I did not realize until about an hour ago. I was trying to see what Jerry's bench was. So I logged on to the fantasy app because I've had access as a co-manager in years past. Jerry has locked me out of our team.

• 1:00:20Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  So Jerry has, Jerry's taken over our team. Like he, I'm the captain now is what he did. And I cannot, I've got no access to it. I can't see our scoreboard. I can't see our trade requests. I can't see anything going on. I'm now fully reliant on Jerry.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  Jerry's hands. That's actually fine.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  On Jerry to just tell us what's going on.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  No, it's fine.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Well, he's not going to give us the straight dope.

• 1:00:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, we gotta get in there.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  I gotta get back.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  You gotta get back in there.

• 1:00:47Speaker 00

  We'll see the results.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  No, we won't.

• 1:00:50Speaker 00

  No, I'm saying we, I mean, we will eventually. You can ask anyone who's like anyone else in the, uh, league to show us the results.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  But then they'll know our team is fractured.

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  I think they could know right now that our team is fractured.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  I mean, what we're dealing with right now is we have, we have a hostile that took it over.

• 1:01:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:07Speaker 05

  What if Jerry comes in last?

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  I don't want to think about that.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  No, I don't want to think about that. I actually.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  Should there be some sort of punishment if he?

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'm going to defend Jerry here. I, as bad as the roster might look right now, I do think he's got enough. To make some deep, like there's some teams out there that have no wide receiver.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  We're loaded at receiver.

• 1:01:29Speaker 00

  Well, because we have Cornell Tate. Who else? Brian Thomas?

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  Junior. Yeah.

• 1:01:33Speaker 00

  And who else on our, on our bench?

• 1:01:35Speaker 05

  There's some upside on the, on the bench and receiver.

• 1:01:37Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  There is.

• 1:01:38Speaker 00

  Like, we're going to be able to trade some, we're going to be able to flip some of these receivers.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Mackay Lemon.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  I mean, yeah, we got, we got receivers for days. Someone's going to need a receiver and we're going to, we're going to be there. The tight end position makes me a little nervous. I don't think.

• 1:01:52Speaker 05

  But everyone sucks a tight end.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  We have one starting running back.

• 1:01:56Speaker 05

  That's a problem.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  That's a big problem.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  That is a big problem.

• 1:02:00Speaker 05

  Hank, what do you think about Henderson?

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  I think he's going to be, I think, I think he'll come back.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  Come back strong.

• 1:02:06Speaker 00

  All right. All right. So then we're good.

• 1:02:09Speaker 00

  As reported by Hank.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  Okay, we gotta.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  Well, usually it's like you have a couple of running backs. You don't need to worry about your injured running back in the first week of the season.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, I'm also just concerned in years past, Jerry and I have been co-managers and this one I got an.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  This does feel like a direct shot.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  I got an email saying that I've been removed as owner.

• 1:02:32Speaker 00

  He's gonna blame the McDonald's wifi.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  By the commissioner. Yeah. I don't know what Jerry, maybe you can answer me. What, what happened with that one?

• 1:02:38Speaker 00

  How do we not get better wifi for something that we build all year for?

• 1:02:43Speaker 05

  I mean, his wifi always sucks.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  No matter, no matter where he is, his wifi never.

• 1:02:49Speaker 00

  But he's got, he lives in Hollywood. He could go to one of his like rich guy friends. Probably has like the best Starlink or something.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  He does usually go to like a creek somewhere to, to film his appearances on part of my take.

• 1:03:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. I'm excited. I think Jerry's got enough to work with. I think it's not as bad as we thought. When I saw the tweets about the disaster, he's just gonna have to now, like, sometimes when you play fantasy, you draft your team and you just forget about it. He's gonna have to get to work. The work starts.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  And I think that Jerry loves the work.

• 1:03:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. So he might've done this on purpose. He put himself in a, in a corner just so he can fight his way out of it.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Just to get out of.

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  Which I like. That's where I want Jerry. Fight your way out of the corner, Jerry. All right. My who's back of the week, is burgers, because I completed the challenge. Hundred and one burgers this summer. The, I have, I have an incredible life, dream job, like incredible family, all you guys. This, and everything I've accomplished in my life, this is by far the least consequential, dumbest, and regrettable thing that I've ever done. I had to explain this to someone at a barbecue yesterday and they're like, why are you eating a hundred burgers? I was like, well, I'm doing it as like a challenge. They're like, oh, what do you get? I was like, nothing.

• 1:04:11Speaker 00

  And I didn't, I challenged myself because I had one weekend in Memorial Day where I was like, damn, I love cheeseburgers. I really regret this. The only thing I've gained from this is that I will get significantly less sympathy when my eventual heart attack happens.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  That's mean, Hank.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  What'd he say?

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Also probably not true.

• 1:04:28Speaker 00

  What'd he say?

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  And 20 pounds.

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  Oh, no, actually I, I, I stayed pretty consistent because all I ate was burgers. And I did, I grilled them. I didn't eat them out like with french fries. So.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  I think that burgers on the whole are not unhealthy.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's the french fries.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  Do you in?

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  I don't know why I did this. I really.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  What was the best burger? Best and worst?

• 1:04:50Speaker 00

  Donnie made some incredible ones. I had a couple that were just not very good at like golf courses and stuff.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  What is the perfect amount of burgers to eat in the summertime?

• 1:04:58Speaker 00

  I would say probably 40 ish.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, that sounds about right.

• 1:05:02Speaker 00

  I was, I would say 40 ish. Yeah.

• 1:05:04Speaker 05

  And how many hot dogs are you gonna do next year?

• 1:05:06Speaker 00

  Next year, we're gonna do a thousand hot dogs.

• 1:05:10Speaker 00

  That was, it was funny. Zach was like, what foods did you miss out on with all these burgers? And honestly, it was, I was just like, hot dogs. I, I, I think I had like two hot dogs all summer. I had no steak, no hot dogs. You can't, you can't waste burger time.

• 1:05:26Speaker 05

  There's so many good meals that.

• 1:05:27Speaker 00

  I know, I know. So I'll never.

• 1:05:29Speaker 05

  Well, you told me you had a cheesesteak and you were upset because.

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  I was mad. Saratoga, I had an unbelievable cheesesteak. Shout out Dr. Dan's, uh, uh, brother who brought him for us. The man, uh, it was an incredible cheesesteak. And the whole time I was like, this is such a waste. I should be fucking eating a burger. This is literally a burger just cut up. So yeah, I did it though. I, listen, I'm a man of my word. The haters, mostly memes. And Max, I did it. You guys all thought I couldn't do it.

• 1:05:57Speaker 05

  I don't care.

• 1:05:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I don't either. I honestly don't either. I'm, I'm, I'm happy it's over.

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  You had your 100th burger in front of us today.

• 1:06:05Speaker 00

  It was, it was no fun. I was like, I didn't feel anything. I, I had no excitement. I had no sense of accomplishment. I, I, I felt nothing except for my stomach has hurt for like three weeks straight. That's it. Zach.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Uh, my who's back of the week this week, uh, we are coming off a holiday weekend. A lot of people are traveling. A lot of guys up in the air.

• 1:06:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  My who's back is altitude justice, because you guys see the guy who got absolutely.

• 1:06:30Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Just face fucked with duct tape.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  You got duct tape. What now? What?

• 1:06:33Speaker 00

  So much duct tape.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  Was he, was he doing a little light hijacking?

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

  I think you're saying the N bomb.

• 1:06:38Speaker 03

  I think it was getting physical and slurs.

• 1:06:40Speaker 00

  He was slurring.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  Combo. Yeah.

• 1:06:41Speaker 00

  Look at how much duct tape that is. They had to duct tape the fuck out of him.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Wait, now what is that in the middle? They put like a, that looks like one of those carjack things.

• 1:06:51Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  The, the club that you put.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  They did say they're. Not a slim jim, but a zip tie.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Between his hands? They made him hold it?

• 1:07:00Speaker 00

  Me, I wouldn't get duct tape like that.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Anybody else here been duct taped?

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  I have been duct taped. That's a lot of duct tape.

• 1:07:06Speaker 00

  It's a lot of duct tape.

• 1:07:07Speaker 03

  Probably lost circulation.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  The photographing while you're, while you're duct taped.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, come on, man. Well, I guess he is a bad guy if he was just throwing N bombs everywhere.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:17Speaker 03

  Do you guys think the other passengers, like on this plane, they're bonded together, right? Do they keep up with each other now?

• 1:07:21Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  Never see him again.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  No, that would be electric. If you, if you like stop somebody from taking over a plane together, even if it was just like some drunk person. And those, you know, the three or four guys that you teamed up with, I feel like you start a group chat and yeah, you're all probably accepting like keys to various cities together.

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did that. I mean, ask, ask Donnie, want on Don.

• 1:07:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  He restrained somebody on a plane one time.

• 1:07:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, that stuff is like the, that's the best of the best. I had a friend and a good friend of mine in college. He, he, uh, he citizens arrested a, a guy trying to steal steaks from the grocery store. It's like so thrilling. He just grabbed them.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  I disagree.

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  And he just, he's just like, you can't do that.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think you gotta let nature take its course.

• 1:08:03Speaker 00

  No, he was stealing like $300 worth of steaks. And it's like, the, the poor person at the cash register is like, help, please grab them. It was like, you're staying with me.

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  It worked out super well here. Side note question. What are you guys thoughts on somebody traveling with this much duct tape?

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  I, they had to have that in the plane, right?

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  Okay, fair. Any good pilot knows that, you know, you can always have some duct tape on the plane in case the flaps don't retract properly. In case you gotta, you know, seal the outside in the event of a explosive decompression, duct tape.

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  Makes a lot of sense. Nevermind.

• 1:08:35Speaker 00

  Duct tape. These guys are just like, they're not podcasting. They're just watching this game. Memes is not, he's not in this conversation whatsoever.

• 1:08:43Speaker 05

  Well, the, oh, yeah.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  You're traveling.

• 1:08:47Speaker 00

  Football's back.

• 1:08:48Speaker 05

  We're listening.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Football's back. Yeah.

• 1:08:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, but there was, we were talking, we have a conversation, memes go, take you to the house.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Max is slapping my leg.

• 1:08:58Speaker 00

  All right, let's wa, let's, let's watch this, this, uh, this set of downs here. All right. So it's 1410 SMU. 307 left. Do we know if that's actually the time?

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  It's close enough.

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  Although the, the, the lights might've come back on because they had like the, the thing that said the refs are keeping.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  See it in the, and the.

• 1:09:17Speaker 03

  The refs are keeping the time. That, that graphic isn't up anymore.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  I also heard that there's a, a chance that all classes are canceled tomorrow at FSU.

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  Oh, so now this kid is a hero.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  If they win.

• 1:09:28Speaker 00

  If they win.

• 1:09:28Speaker 05

  And if the over hits.

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  That'd be a sad.

• 1:09:30Speaker 05

  If the over doesn't hit.

• 1:09:32Speaker 00

  This kid is not a hero.

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  They gotta score a touchdown.

• 1:09:35Speaker 05

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Some schools should give students.

• 1:09:37Speaker 05

  What are you doing?

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  A couple days off when GTA comes out.

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  If we, if this is.

• 1:09:42Speaker 00

  What are you saying? Talk us through it, Max.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  They're not gonna.

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  It's dead. It's dead. If you don't score a touchdown here.

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  That's not true.

• 1:09:49Speaker 00

  Do you have a backup who's back of the week, Zach?

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  Uh, backup, uh, is gonna, I can go with, uh, Deion Sanders. You guys see Deion Sanders online giving a child a little tough love, a little parenting.

• 1:09:59Speaker 00

  Also shout out Colorado one.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:01Speaker 00

  One on, uh, Thursday night.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  That was good to see.

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  Goldberg's son plays for Deion.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  No way.

• 1:10:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. Pretty cool. The glitter guys are too much. That's one where you can't be a glitter guy if Florida State's not good.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. I heard that was Danny Canell.

• 1:10:15Speaker 00

  It is Danny Canell.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17Speaker 00

  It's Danny Canell.

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Is he the red or the, or the gold one?

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  He's, uh, I think he's the gold one.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  Okay, let's get to our interview. We have Andy Staples talking more college ball and then Western Michigan head coach Lance Taylor.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

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• 1:12:49Speaker 00

  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is our good friend, Andy Staples. Coming off what everyone thought was going to be a nothing week one for college football, but college football, we know Andy on three network. You should listen to him and Ari. Uh, they do recaps all throughout the weekend. They do awesome content. Everyone knows with college football, when you least expect it, you're gonna have chaos and we had it. So I have, we have a ton of stuff we want to talk about, but I think we have to start with, uh, Michigan stealing a game against Western Michigan. I, I read all the stuff. I understand what they're trying to argue. I still think it was robbery. I think, still think it was bullshit. Where do you land on this?

• 1:13:31Speaker 05

  You're, you're going to think that. I, I actually believe the big 10 on this one.

• 1:13:35Speaker 07

  But they screwed up and here's why. So they had already set up a deal where on Friday nights, they're going to let you see their instant replay deliberations like the ACC did last year. The big 12 is doing it this year. The pack 12 is doing it now. Like if they had let us see that in real time, I think millions of more people would trust the answer they got like it's, it's actually a big step forward for the big 10 that they released that video. But when it's an hour and 53 minutes after the game ended, we live in a world where you can find a video for anything to confirm what you want to believe. So, I mean, PFT, you have an entire podcast about this. So like, I don't think, I don't think that was the right way to do it. Like it,

• 1:14:16Speaker 07

  we need to see that, the deliberations, every review in every game, in every league in real time, because I think that's the only way you earn the public's trust back. Because do I believe that the NBC clock was not synced right? I do. Do I feel bad that John Fanta got thrown out for to take that bullet? I mean, they were like, you're the new guy. You get to read this. Poor Fanta.

• 1:14:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. And you've probably watched more football than just about anybody listened to this show over the course of your life. Did you know about the secret clock until this weekend?

• 1:14:48Speaker 07

  So the secret clock's no secret. It's a clock in the stadium that they have a camera trained on. And when we were all kids, that's how the clock was shown to us in games. There was a camera on the clock and there was like a little cutout on the screen where you saw the video of the clock in the stadium. And now we got all this fancy technology and AI. And well, guess what? It doesn't work.

• 1:15:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's bullshit. And I guess like, listen, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, oh, Michigan cheated. I think it, I think the way it happened was suspect and I didn't, we all were, it was kind of like a March Madness situation where everyone was rooting for the underdog in this moment because they played so tough. And, and all this happens, but going away from that afterwards, Bryce Underwood, like what does Michigan do? Because he was really bad. And I made this argument before the season and I got a lot of shit for it that I was like, if Bryce Underwood doesn't take a massive step forward, this is closer to a seven, five team than a playoff team. And that's what they looked like on Saturday night. So is it a situation?

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Like this is a very fascinating situation because the NIL and how much money is at stake? And Kyle Whittingham, first year and all this stuff, like, could they potentially go to, to Carr as, as the backup right away? Like in the, in the next couple of weeks, if Bryce Underwood has another stinker?

• 1:16:08Speaker 07

  So I want to take this moment to ask for a do over first, another Barstool property, the, the Brandon Walker College Football Show, your, your number two college football expert hosts that show. I was on his show the, the second week. I was not a first week guest, obviously. But he asked me about my prediction that Michigan would make the playoff and just straight up asked, are you on drugs? And then I dressed him down with this very logical explanation of, well, look, their, their coach was having a major affair and, and everybody hated everybody. And all that was going on behind the scenes and they won nine games and the, the true freshman starter didn't have a dedicated quarterbacks coach and the offense stunk scheme wise. So of course they're

• 1:16:50Speaker 07

  going to be better. And, and like you watch Brandon, you see his face and you see the color drain out. And I heard him on your show last week, kind of parroting those points. I want to, I want to change my answer. I was on drugs.

• 1:17:04Speaker 00

  Good jokes. And then he got a contact tie. But it does feel, and, and listen, I think Kyle Whittingham is an unbelievable coach. You know, you know, like the one thing you do better than, than, than most people in the media and you, you talk about the culture of the sport and what it means to certain fanbases. I think he's an unbelievable coach. I think coaching at Michigan is different than coaching at Utah. Like there's just a different pressure cooker to it. And I think you kind of saw it in his eyes a little bit being like, fuck, this is not the same as, you know, playing in the pack 12 or playing in, in the, in the big 12 and, and being able to win 10 games every year. Like this fanbase demands good football every single week and they don't want to go back to a Brady Hoke or Rich Rod situation.

• 1:17:48Speaker 07

  Yeah. Now I think he's in an advantageous situation here to get back to your original question. If you heard what he said Monday, where he said Bryce is the, is QB one right now.

• 1:18:00Speaker 00

  Right now.

• 1:18:00Speaker 07

  And he kind of paused and he said, right now. And nothing set in concrete. Like you asked if we would see Tommy Carr, maybe the next few weeks. I think there's a chance we see Tommy Carr against Oklahoma on Saturday at some point. If it's not working with Bryce, because this is a, a very good defense. I mean, like David Stone, Owen Heinecke, the talent is unbelievable. But Brent Venables as a defensive coordinator, and I say coordinator, because he is the one who calls the plays, even though he's the head coach. It's one of the most confusing defenses in college football for an opposing quarterback. It is designed to confuse the quarterback, designed to confuse the offensive lineman. Well, based on what we saw against Western Michigan, there's a lot of confusion going around anyway. So if this isn't working, I think Kyle Whittingham,

• 1:18:43Speaker 07

  because he's the new guy, because he was not there when they gave that investment to, to bring in Bryce Underwood, his job's to win games. He's just going to go with the guy who, who might be able to help him win games. And the thing about Tommy Carr, and so for those who don't know, Tommy Carr, grandson of Lloyd Carr, little brother of CJ, the current Notre Dame starting quarterback. From the moment he set foot on campus and started working out with the guys, there has been positive buzz about this guy. And I, during the off season, I was like, okay, they must really like him. And then I started a conspiracy theory brain over the summer, like, oh, are they, are they seeding the clouds in case they have to go to him? But it maybe he's just good. Like his brother's awesome. So who knows? But with Oklahoma being what they are and being so difficult to manage,

• 1:19:27Speaker 07

  especially if you're not great at reading defenses, they may have to try something different if it's not working.

• 1:19:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's what struck me about Michigan is, is the opening series that they had, maybe when they looked the best scripted, even in that opening series, he still looked confused at times. I think he went the wrong way on a play and, and it was, it, it did not look like they had prepped for this game, or at least at the quarterback position, for any, you know, extended period of time. And now they're going up and like, I would say that maybe even Western Michigan was more physical on defense than, than Michigan was on offense. And that's a major concern for Michigan, too. And then adding in the confusion that Venables can bring, like things could get very ugly for Michigan.

• 1:20:08Speaker 07

  It could, or it's a weird sport. They're 20 year olds and all of a sudden they show up and look completely, I don't think that's going to happen though. We, we talked about this with, on our show and Ari kept saying, this is not something you can fix in three or four days. And I think that's probably true. I don't think this was a case of just an unusual performance. I just, I thought he was going to take a bigger step forward from year to year. And watching some of the throws, watching the way he handled it, it doesn't look any different. And this is a guy, he's got immense physical talent. And I think it, he strikes me as the kind of guy who, his physical talent got him out of every jam in high school. And he's trying to do that at the college level, too. And it just doesn't work at the college level. You have to, you have to follow

• 1:20:52Speaker 07

  your scheme. You have to use your, your technique, your, you know, your fundamentals. You have to keep your mechanics sound. All of that stuff matters at this level, especially with the kind of defense they're going to see. And remember guys, like Oklahoma is a really good defense. They also have to play the Iowa defense. They're going to play Indiana. They're going to play Oregon. They're going to play, they're going to play Ohio State. Like they are going to play some incredible defenses this season. So this is just sort of the acid test. Like if you can't do this, you're going to be in trouble with the rest of the schedule.

• 1:21:20Speaker 00

  So Andy, just one more thing about the clock in the Michigan game. I'm with you that I read all the explanations. I understand. I know what they're saying. This was the official clock. It was not synced up. It is the clock, the, the replay officials saw and instructed the refs on the field, we're going to follow this one. One second left. Do you think that if the roles were reversed in this and Western Michigan threw a hail Mary, the clock expired on the field? Do you think that the big 10 replay officials would move hell and high water and dig through that replay to go and find them one extra second to try to throw another hail Mary?

• 1:22:00Speaker 07

  Would they have made an exceptional effort? I don't know, PFT, but I will tell you from having met a lot of the people who, who officiate games or who, who coordinate officials now for the different leagues. These guys are just trying to get it right. They know they're going to get yelled at no matter what. Most of the time they're doing a conference game. We're going to piss off one of the conference members either way. So I think they're trying to get it right. I, I know it's so easy to believe the conspiracy theories. And look, I fell into that rabbit hole on Saturday night, but I do think they were just trying to get it right. But it, but yeah, it, would they make the extra effort?

• 1:22:35Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying. Right. I believe you.

• 1:22:37Speaker 07

  What could be done?

• 1:22:38Speaker 00

  They were trying to get it right. They absolutely were. And the guys on the field, the refs that were actually calling that game, there's, they don't have any fault in this. That was not their call.

• 1:22:46Speaker 07

  Well, they missed that face mask that would have extended a, a Western Michigan drive and, and it would have never happened that way. Had the Western Michigan been able to keep the ball for a couple more minutes. So.

• 1:22:55Speaker 00

  And also the clock was synced when they went with the field goal. I saw it with my own two, I whatever. We should, we can't stick on it. Listen.

• 1:23:02Speaker 07

  The nine, the nine to eight video was the one that got me. And then I'm like, but anybody could have doctored that, too.

• 1:23:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. And listen, I, I actually agree with you that like this sport is so weird. I was, I was thinking about it, like the, the thing that pissed me off the most, watching Western Michigan, like lose that game was not only did Michigan survive, but then also the line is going to be inflated against Oklahoma and Michigan's probably going to win that game somehow. Like I was, I was getting ready to bet Oklahoma minus three, and then it's like, no, it's going to be six, it's going to be seven. Cause everyone saw Michigan suck. Yeah.

• 1:23:36Speaker 07

  I was watching it roll on, on Saturday night.

• 1:23:39Speaker 00

  And now Michigan's going to win. Cause it is that sport and Kyle Whittingham is a great, great coach. And I don't, I don't think that you can, what, what you see week one is not what you see the rest of the season. Speaking of, what do we make of Oregon? Because Oregon was another team. A lot of hype going into the season. Boise gave them, you know, everything they had. That was an interesting, like, it was an interesting thing to see because you, you like, this is the year for Oregon. Everyone's picking them. They have all these guys coming back. Dante Moore is coming back. And then Boise is just taking it right to them, right out of the gate.

• 1:24:14Speaker 07

  So I have to do a projected playoff every week, including week one.

• 1:24:20Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:24:20Speaker 07

  And I put it out and I left Oregon out.

• 1:24:23Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:24:23Speaker 07

  But I put Boise State in because if Boise State can do that in Eugene, they can probably beat Memphis this week. They can probably beat Western Michigan. They can probably win the Pac 12. So naturally Oregon fans are furious at me right now and I'm sorry about that. I'm just going with the results we have and I'm not using preseason expectations or anything. I just what we saw. Now I think Oregon's going to be fine. I actually think they're going to go kill Oklahoma State this weekend and probably pop them right back into the projected playoff. But Boise State, I think it's more Boise State's probably pretty good.

• 1:24:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Speaker 07

  Than it than it is Oregon having any issues. And I will point out two years ago, Oregon had a rough opener against Idaho, your guy Jason Eck, who's now in New Mexico. They had a rough opener against Idaho and then barely survived that Ashton Gentey Boise Boise State team. They then went on to go 13-0 and win the Big 10.

• 1:25:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:12Speaker 07

  So it may be that this is just Oregon ran into a pretty good opponent that was maybe a little better than they thought it was going to be and they survived. So I'm, I'm really not that worried about them. Now, if they, if they go to this Oklahoma State team that just got housed by Tulsa and it's, and they struggle, then I'm going to worry about, about them a little bit, but I'm not worried about them right now.

• 1:25:31Speaker 00

  You're, you're right in that like week to week, it's hard to get up for every single game. It's just always week one, the eyes are on you. You have all season to prep for it. So you expect the best effort and you saw it, you know, I mean, different styles of competition, but like Ohio State, take care of business, Texas, take care of business, Georgia. They were playing basically no one. LSU is that, by the way, is LSU one of the biggest winners of this week? Because they looked awesome.

• 1:25:57Speaker 07

  Hundred percent because you had everybody going, oh, Lane's just been creating this distraction with, we're trying to take these dudes who were in the NFL. And I kept telling people, his roster's really good. If you look at Lane's history, especially at Ole Miss, the offense clicked almost immediately, pretty much the whole time he was there, even though there was a lot of churn in their roster. So I expected them to come out of the gate smoking. I did not expect them to dominate the way they did, especially in the run game where they're just bullying Clemson. And I, and LSU looked like one of the best teams in the country. I'd let that projected playoff, again, because I'm taking the preseason stuff out of it. I put them as the one seed. Now, are they going to stay there? Probably not. But why not? Let's, let's ride, let's ride the expectations. But yeah, Lane, and I think Lane

• 1:26:42Speaker 07

  was trying to prove a point in this game because we'd spent the past month just crushing him for the, the NFL player stuff. And look, the little aside to Holly Rowe, that was, that was classic. That was pure Lane right there.

• 1:26:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Now, do you think, um, because I, I agree with you that LSU looked fantastic. They looked incredible last night, um, offensively and defensively. I do think that, uh, it kind of will go the way that, that Sam Levitt goes. Cause the way, the style that he plays, it's so fun to watch, but we saw it with, you know, when a lane's old quarterbacks, Jackson Dart in the NFL. It's hard to do that week in, week out, especially with the schedule LSU has. Do you think that, uh, they would be able to win without Sam Levitt or is it strictly dependent on how healthy he is?

• 1:27:28Speaker 07

  No, I, I think they, they could probably win. Uh, so they have a transfer from Elon, who he came in and second. They've also got, uh, Huson Longstreet who came from, from USC. And I think they feel good about their entire quarterback room. It's, it's a very strange situation where, uh, I think Lane understood basically what happened last year when he went out and got Trinidad Shambless at Ole Miss as an insurance policy. So Landon Clark is the Elon transfer. That's an FCS school. It's a Signetti school. It's, it's, it's one of the stops on the Signetti track. Uh, but I think they feel like if Landon Clark had to come in, they'd be just fine, which is, is interesting because Sam Levitt did go out in the middle of that season for Arizona State last year where Arizona State probably could have won the Big 12. I mean, they beat Texas

• 1:28:12Speaker 07

  Tech with Sam Levitt playing. But I, I love the idea of Sam Levitt in this Lane Kiffin offense because he is a run around and make stuff happen kind of guy who throws a great deep ball. Who does that sound like?

• 1:28:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:24Speaker 07

  We watched him play last night, Trinidad Shambless.

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. I saw someone tweeting, they said that, uh, Sam Levitt plays football like a squirrel with an amphetamine problem. And I was like, that's pretty much it. Like that they nailed it. Now, on the other side, by the way, I did a bad job, uh, introducing this whole interview. Andy's actually in the press box for FSU SMU. So if you hear a couple of people in the background, that's why. He's also a professional. He's got a mic. He's got a perfect setup. So we appreciate it. Andy, uh, is this rock bottom for Dabo though? Because it feels like there's been a couple of them, you know, the Georgia game a couple of years ago where it was similar spot, week one, everyone was hyped, Atlanta, they got, they got absolutely smoked. But this feels like true rock bottom in that they are nowhere near the top teams.

• 1:29:08Speaker 00

  And, and it was like, they had no, like no rushing game, nothing. It was just, it was a totally, totally different caliber of teams on the field at Tiger Stadium.

• 1:29:18Speaker 07

  Yeah. And the scheme was bad. The offense looked discombobulated. And that, that was another great Lane quote to, uh, to David Hale from ESPN. He said, he said, I thought this was going to be like 31 to three. I had no idea their offense would be that dysfunctional.

• 1:29:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:32Speaker 07

  And so they, they brought Chad Morris back who had, you know, he was their offensive coordinator when they turned everything around with Taj Boyd back in the day and became one of those teams that was competing for the ACC title every year and competing for national titles. So, but it, but it seemed like kind of a retread situation because Chad Morris had, had been head coach at SMU. He'd been fired from Arkansas. So I, it was a weird, weird situation all off season. They kept Christopher Vazina instead of going to get a quarterback in the portal. They have a freshman, Tate Reynolds, that they like who you saw on Saturday, but obviously he wasn't ready either. And I think it's now dawning on everybody and I, the Clemson fans were way ahead of everybody else on this. And usually the, the fan base on the ground does understand

• 1:30:14Speaker 07

  this a little bit better. But with us, it was like, okay, is Dabo losing his touch? Does he not understand how to win? Can he not get the kind of players he had? Well, last year he had nine draft picks on that team. They still went seven and six. So that's a coaching issue. So that should tell you, this year, he kind of closes ranks and he, he kind of closed off practices to people who were normally allowed there. I'm, I'm talking about VIP type stuff, not media type stuff. Closed ranks. And I asked somebody who, who knows the program really well. I said, do you think he did that because he's mad at everybody and wants to prove them wrong and wants to, is just, you know, kind of lashing out or because he knows they're not going to be good? And this person said, it's probably because he's mad at everybody

• 1:30:59Speaker 07

  and, and thinks he's about to prove everybody wrong. Well, he was proven very wrong on Saturday night. And look, here's the problem, guys, like Miami's going to do the same thing to them.

• 1:31:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Speaker 07

  There really aren't a lot of other teams on the schedule that have that, they're going to have that kind of talent discrepancy. But that's where you're going to see where the coaching comes in. Cause Clemson is probably more talented than most of the teams left on their schedule. But I don't know if they're going to be better than seven and five or six and six.

• 1:31:24Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:31:25Speaker 07

  If they, if they look like that, if, if that's their offense, if that's what they're going to roll out there, they're going to lose more games. It's not just going to be when they're, when they're out talented.

• 1:31:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. I thought that, that Dabo before the game, making the little jokes and puns about Lane Kiffin, like you could tell that he was, he was feeling a little confident because I don't think old Dabo does that unless he's got, you know, supreme confidence in his team going out there, not laying an egg. And that was, that was like a ponder your future level of beat down there for Clemson. Like, I don't know.

• 1:31:52Speaker 07

  It was.

• 1:31:53Speaker 00

  Does Dabo want to be there?

• 1:31:56Speaker 07

  He wants to be there and he's the type of person I would think that like, I, I just, it's, we've talked about this over the years. I'd say probably since the 22 season, the 23 season, we, we've talked about how does this work? How does the end happen for Dabo at Clemson? Because he does not strike me as the kind of guy who would just say, you know what? I don't have it anymore. I'm going to step down rather than let this thing go down. I feel like he would be the kind of person who says, look, you're going to pay me every dime you owe me and I made this place. And we've heard him recite his resume a lot this off season.

• 1:32:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:29Speaker 07

  So that's where it gets tricky. And so it's interesting that I'm sitting here in Tallahassee right now. Uh, there was a, a post on the Tiger Illustrated message board this weekend that just really struck me. And the guy said, I've always said that Dabo is going to be our Bobby Bowden for good and for bad. This is a Clemson fan saying this.

• 1:32:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:50Speaker 07

  And if you think about Bobby Bowden was one of the greatest coaches of all time. When I was in high school and college and, and even before that, uh, the, the Seminoles were the baddest of the bad. They were amazing. And then they had what they call the lost decade, which is the early 2000s. And he, it just slipped year after year. And like, I remember they got beat 30 to nothing by Wake Forest here in 2006. And he had, he had to fire his son as the offensive coordinator, Jeff Bowden. He still coached for three more years after that. Like it, it was a long, slow decline before they finally decided they'd had enough. And I don't think Clemson's going to do that. Clemson's got a new president, Graham Neff.

• 1:33:31Speaker 07

  They have a, a young kind of energetic AD. He's, now he's been there a while too. So he's worked with Dabo a lot. But this is a place that got the taste from Dabo of what it's like to be a national power. I don't think they want to let it go.

• 1:33:44Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:33:45Speaker 07

  And I don't think they've fallen so far that they can't get it back. But it may require some, some kind of very awkward conversation and possibly a very large check.

• 1:33:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. That was, it was a, the type of beat down though, that makes you think like this whole thing, like we've never seen Clemson look that outmatched physically and also schematically, like at the same time against a quality opponent. It was like, it was shocking. So I was thinking, maybe, you know, I don't know. Does he want to be there? Do they want him there? Something's going to change. That's my prediction. In the next year, something I don't know what it is, but something will change.

• 1:34:15Speaker 07

  I don't think the fans want him there anymore. I think most of the fan base has turned on him at this point. It's, it's just a matter of how do you handle that administratively? Because he would be owed a fortune unless he was willing to play ball with you. And I mean, this is a guy that, that they're going to build a statue. I mean, it, and I can't, I said this all off season when he would recite his resume, like gets up at ACC media days and recites his resume. If he stopped coaching right now, he's still one of the greatest coaches who ever lived. But as long as he has the job, then what he did before doesn't matter. You're getting that giant paycheck every two weeks. You have to produce results and he's not producing them.

• 1:34:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, it's true, though. Maybe PFT like, like I, I just look at the, the LSU. It was 309 rush yards to, to 40. That's like, that's like,

• 1:35:02Speaker 07

  And they had zero before the last drive.

• 1:35:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's Georgia. That's Georgia playing Tennessee State.

• 1:35:07Speaker 02

  I saw a stat that,

• 1:35:08Speaker 00

  That's the difference of, of like where Clemson is at right now against a big dog.

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  I saw a stat that Clemson didn't run a play in, uh, in LSU's half of the field until the fourth quarter.

• 1:35:20Speaker 00

  Well, they had one, uh, because of the, the,

• 1:35:22Speaker 07

  I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised. I was already watching Cal UCLA at that point. So,

• 1:35:26Speaker 00

  They had, they had, they got a lucky one because of the pick to start the game and they got the field goal. But yeah, it was crazy. It was nuts.

• 1:35:32Speaker 02

  It is nuts.

• 1:35:32Speaker 00

  All right. Um, what about, let's, let's talk another, another fun story. Uh, UMass, UMass beating Rutgers on Thursday night. It feels like 10 years ago, but we gotta give them credit.

• 1:35:42Speaker 07

  Pop Watson, baby. Yes. Pop Watson is awesome.

• 1:35:45Speaker 00

  So, so that was stunning. I mean, I, I, I don't want to talk too much time about it, but Rutgers like, that is one of the most embarrassing things. UMass hadn't beaten an FBS team in, I think, two years or three years. It was two years.

• 1:35:59Speaker 07

  No, no, they hadn't won a game.

• 1:36:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:01Speaker 07

  And the last game they won was in October 2024 against Bryant, which is an FCS school. Like thi- this is, or maybe it's Wagner. I'm, I feel like, I feel like I'm covering the first round of the NCAA tournament here.

• 1:36:12Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:36:12Speaker 07

  Like they, they, they won their conference tournament and then, but no, it's, it's crazy. And Pop Watson was just awesome. My son and I were just watching that game and we just kept screaming, pop, pop. I mean, every time he did something and the fireworks afterward.

• 1:36:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:28Speaker 07

  Are maybe the saddest thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:36:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:36:32Speaker 02

  You have to, there has to be somebody there with common sense that says, hey, I know, I know football's back. Maybe not the right time. Maybe we'll hang on to these until next week.

• 1:36:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:41Speaker 07

  So I, I'm, I'm a Floridian who was born in South Carolina. So fireworks are very special to me. I guarantee you there was somebody in there who's like, oh no, we bought all these.

• 1:36:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, we gotta, we gotta do it. We gotta do it.

• 1:36:53Speaker 02

  And also like, what better way to make you feel better too? It's like, hey, I know we just lost a very embarrassing game. Um, but you might, this might put a smile on your face.

• 1:37:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 02

  How about some explosions?

• 1:37:03Speaker 07

  There you go.

• 1:37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:05Speaker 02

  Um, what do you think about, uh, how this is all shaken up for this week's big matchup? Ohio State, Texas? Like if everything kind of seems chalk going into this matchup. But, but are you just thinking about these two teams the same way you thought about them two weeks ago, three weeks ago? Or has anything changed?

• 1:37:22Speaker 07

  No, this feels perfect. This is exactly what I want in an early season game. It is two superpowers from different conferences, the two conferences that hate each other the most. Could be the best team in each conference. We don't know yet, but there's a good chance it's the best team in each conference. It's certainly two of the best rosters in America. And like, the thing I, I can't wait to see is who becomes a star out of this game. Like we know Jeremiah Smith, we know Julian Say and we know Arch Manning, but like, is this going to be the Hollywood Smothers game? Or is this going to be the Legend Bay game? Like, somebody's going to become a star in this game and it's going to be awesome. I, I cannot wait because it's a, it's a close spread. I picked Ohio State, but not with any degree of confidence. Like I just want to sit down and watch these two go at it.

• 1:38:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm very, very excited. All right. What about, uh, what, what other team or fan base is, is feeling good coming off of week one? That you were maybe impressed with. You're like, all right, this team, like we had some questions going into it. I, I was going to say like, the Auburn Baylor game was a mess, just an absolute mess. And I, I don't even know, like Auburn won the game, but I don't know if they feel good about it coming off it. Because I, I, it felt like we were watching, like USF was a nice story last year. Alex Golish was a really good coach. But like that offense didn't look great and, uh, I don't know who, like Baylor, I, I, I don't know. What'd you make of that game?

• 1:38:47Speaker 07

  So Golish after the game sounded like a guy who'd lost.

• 1:38:50Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:38:51Speaker 07

  He, he, there was a lot of, the look on his face said, that's not how this is supposed to work. That's not how this is supposed to look. And I was, I was a little bit surprised that, so Byron Brown, we've saw, we've seen him play against SEC schools while he was at USF. At least I'm, I think he ran for over a hundred yards against Alabama one game. He went to the swamp and beat Florida last year. Like he, he's a very fast guy for 240 pounds and it was shocking to me how many times you saw Baylor edge rushers run him down on the edge instead of him getting loose and, and running for 20 yards. Now, I will say on the last drive for Auburn, that rushing ability seemed to return because that, that he did score when they needed him to. But that was the part that surprised me because I thought that was going to be the X factor.

• 1:39:35Speaker 07

  And what was going to make this offense feel different is his escapability scares you so much that you're going to have to put an extra guy in the box. You're going to have to spy him. And all of a sudden you're going to have some one-on-one matchups on the outside. They didn't have a lot of open receivers.

• 1:39:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:49Speaker 07

  And so I, I just didn't think that worked out. Like it's interesting because you've watched Alabama, East Carolina. Keelan Russell, the quarterback for Alabama, first time starter, like when he gets loose, he runs for 30 yards. Like that's terrifying.

• 1:40:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:01Speaker 07

  But that's what I thought Byron Brown was going to be. And that was not the case against Baylor, which has good athletes on defense, but not necessarily as good as what Auburn's going to see down the road. Now, as far as, uh, teams that are probably feeling pretty good, especially with new coaches. I would think Penn State folks are feeling great about Matt Campbell right now. And I know Florida folks are feeling really good about John Sumrall. Those debuts probably could not have gone any better. Both of those teams looked like they'd been playing together for a long time. It looked very smooth. Uh, you know, Matt Campbell, he was the only one of the guys who brought a lot of his old players who succeeded because Eric Morris and Oklahoma State, they lost to Tulsa.

• 1:40:41Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:40:41Speaker 07

  And then Auburn maybe should have lost to Baylor. Penn State looked amazing.

• 1:40:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:46Speaker 02

  I'd say UCLA too.

• 1:40:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, UCLA looked good.

• 1:40:48Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:40:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:50Speaker 07

  Yeah. And, and it's Chesney didn't, Chesney brought a, a good amount too. But yeah, they, that was a great game because that, that was a 24-24 game in the fourth quarter. And then UCLA just put the hammer down. Their defense looked fantastic. Their pass rush was getting after, uh, JKS. And then the run game for, for UCLA, they, they were really open in holes. So I'm excited to see what they can do. And I know, I know you, you have adopted everywhere former JMU coaches have gone, PFT. I think you're going to enjoy adopting the Bruins.

• 1:41:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. They, they looked fun. Also they have, what's his name? Frankie Volcano? Frankie Volcano.

• 1:41:23Speaker 07

  That's right.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  The, the most impactful. Yeah. He seems like a legend, but you, you gotta have one of those guys. Yeah. They know they, they did look good and it just, they should be allowed to keep the Pac 12 After Dark IP. They should be able to slap that logo on the screen. If it's a crazy high scoring game and it's, you know, past midnight. I just want to, I just want to go back in time when I'm watching those teams play.

• 1:41:46Speaker 07

  And that's what it felt like. That, as I'm watching the game, I know, I never once thought one of these teams is in the big 10 and one of them's in the ACC. Just I, I'm watching Pac 12 After Dark and I, I enjoyed being transported back there for a couple of hours.

• 1:41:59Speaker 00

  Big time, big time. The other, I mean, we should mention Miami too. Miami looked incredible. Um, they have, that was,

• 1:42:05Speaker 07

  Malachi Tony continues to amaze me. I mean, listen, if you're a high schooler in South Florida and your nickname is Baby Jesus and everybody's cool with that, you must be awesome.

• 1:42:17Speaker 00

  You must be really good.

• 1:42:18Speaker 07

  He was great as a freshman, but he's even better now. Like they've unlocked more. And I think they, I think they upgraded a quarterback with Darian Mensah. So with Darian Mensah throwing to Malachi Tony, I, I don't know. There's a lot of folks on Miami's schedule that can stop that. Obviously Notre Dame is going to be the big game for them, but that's pretty much it. They should handle everybody else they play, which look, the history of Miami, going back to several coaching staffs, is they get bored. They lose games they're not supposed to. Mario Cristobal has to prove that that's not going to happen this year because they might not have the strength of schedule to make it up. If they drop one or two that they're not supposed to. Notre Dame's the one everybody's going to be looking at.

• 1:42:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, Notre Dame looked good too. I mean, they, they throttled us in the second half and I, I mean,

• 1:43:01Speaker 07

  Oh, big cat. I, I, listen, listen, I'm, I am encouraged by Wisconsin's performance.

• 1:43:06Speaker 00

  So I was encouraged with the, there was a lot more physicality than we've had in the last three years. And I like Colton Joseph and you know, that game was even in the first half, like the, the, you, the call was wrong.

• 1:43:18Speaker 07

  They were stopping Notre Dame's run game. How many, how many teams are going to be better at running the ball?

• 1:43:23Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:43:23Speaker 07

  Than Notre Dame that are on Wisconsin's schedule.

• 1:43:25Speaker 00

  Right. And there was a lot of good things to look at and obviously like the call was wrong with the, with the recovered, uh, fumble. But you also can't fumble that, like especially when you're playing Notre Dame.

• 1:43:34Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:43:34Speaker 00

  Six opens it off.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, the kickoff. Yeah, the kickoff was bullshit. What happened with that?

• 1:43:37Speaker 00

  They just, I, everyone in the world saw that he didn't have the ball except the, the refs. But again, that's one of those things. You can't win a game when you are very much outmatched by a superior, superior opponent and have those type of mistakes. I was more upset with towards the end of the game. That punt, like what are we doing? We're down 21. Why are you punting there? There's that, that feels to me more of a, I want to save my job than I want to go fucking capture this thing and try to, try to change everything.

• 1:44:07Speaker 07

  You, you, that made me, You can take the boy away from Tressel, but you can't take Tressel out of the boy.

• 1:44:12Speaker 00

  That one bothered me because it's just like, you, like I, I, I'm all in on Fickle trying to, trying to turn this thing around. And I, I do think it looked a lot better than it has in the last three years, just based off the first three quarters, first half. But when you're punting down 21 in the fourth quarter, that is a, that is a sign to me that's like, hey, I want to make this respectable. I'm not here to try to win this game. And it's like, eh, eh, even though we weren't going to win that game, you gotta, you gotta have a different mentality there.

• 1:44:42Speaker 07

  Yeah, and, and I think they're gonna be fine. I, I really think they're gonna win seven or eight games this year because they go from having the hardest schedule in the Big Ten to having one of the easier draws in the Big Ten. But that attitude probably has to go because you, there are gonna be games where you're gonna need to take some chances.

• 1:44:58Speaker 00

  And he's gotta win eight. He's gotta win eight. I think he would tell you he's gotta win eight.

• 1:45:01Speaker 07

  He's gotta be eight, okay.

• 1:45:02Speaker 00

  Cause if you, well, if you look at it, it's like if you win seven, that means you probably lost to Penn State, Iowa, USC, and UCLA or Minnesota. And it's like, some of those are not okay. You know what I mean? Like, if, if he wins eight, then it's like, hey, you beat everyone you're supposed to beat, and then you're maybe going in the right direction. Cause that's what it's been the last three years. It's not been, it's not been losing the big games. Yeah, it's, it's Iowa, but it's not been losing the big games. Like Notre Dame was always gonna beat Wisconsin. It's actually the exact same score as like, uh, four years ago at Soldier Field. We lose to Ohio, like, once a decade, we could maybe beat Ohio State. It's how do you look against Iowa? It's how do you look against Minnesota? It's how do you look against USC? Like, where you're in,

• 1:45:44Speaker 00

  if you're gonna be back to the middle of the Big Ten, are you competitive against those teams? That's the test.

• 1:45:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, and, and the Iowa thing is amazing to me because the way Iowa just destroyed them last year. That was, that was like when, when Bealma beat Paul Chris. And it's like, okay, something's gotta change. But yeah, and Iowa looked like it had a functional offense against Northern. So I, I'm very intrigued now to see the Hawkeyes going forward. They got Iowa State this week, but they were moving the ball better than we're used to seeing.

• 1:46:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, and, and you mentioned Iowa State next week. Like, that's, that's my favorite part about Iowa. They always, well, they always open the season, and you're like, Iowa's offense might be good, then they're gonna play Iowa State, and one team is gonna win like, uh, 12 to, to 10. It's always the weirdest score.

• 1:46:32Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, six to three.

• 1:46:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, except for that one year where it was like 44 to 41, and that was awesome.

• 1:46:38Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:46:38Speaker 00

  I love the Cy-Hawk.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  This, this early in the season, it's hard to say. We did have, I think, maybe an all-time record for most players that did the Heisman pose, after doing something incredible in the game.

• 1:46:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  We actually, we might see NFL Week One, there might be a player that does the Heisman pose, and then tries to transfer back, go back to school.

• 1:46:56Speaker 07

  It's, it's possible. I mean, there's a, there's a lot of time for court hearings between now and then. But yeah, so you, you started with Malachi Tony, then you had Jeremiah Smith.

• 1:47:06Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:47:06Speaker 07

  Florida running back Jaden Ball gets into it. Like, when Jaden Ball did it, I was like, okay, all right, let's, let's not go crazy here. I, I kinda wanna see, and that's what my, my co-host Ari Wasserman said, let's have the Heisman pose off between Malachi Tony and Jeremiah Smith, because they're friends from back home in South Florida. Like, they know each other really well. They probably talked about it. Like, I wanna see a Heisman pose off from them, like, one per game.

• 1:47:30Speaker 00

  I like that.

• 1:47:31Speaker 07

  Whoever, if you, if, whatever you think is the sickest thing you're gonna do that day, pose.

• 1:47:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do they know that the Heisman pose is like, you have to keep two feet on the ground?

• 1:47:41Speaker 07

  So that was the one thing, the Jaden Ball one, was, I think, more realistic. But everybody does the Desmond Howard one. That's what Desmond, Desmond did it, and I'm gonna say he did it wrong, because what he did became iconic. But against Ohio State, he runs back the kick, and he does the pose. That's the pose everybody does. Nobody does what Ed Smith from New York University did. By the way, usually people have the ball in the wrong hand.

• 1:48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Two feet on the ground, wide base, young man, none of his flashy one foot.

• 1:48:11Speaker 07

  It's actually hard to get into.

• 1:48:12Speaker 02

  It is. It's, it's definitely less swaggy than if you pick, uh, the one foot up. But this early in the season, who would you have if you wanted to, uh, if you want to sprinkle a few coins down on a Heisman Trophy winner?

• 1:48:24Speaker 07

  Oh, that's right. Y'all haven't picked somebody yet. Ooh, this is a...

• 1:48:28Speaker 02

  We have, we have a couple weeks.

• 1:48:29Speaker 00

  I did throw out, I, I screwed up, cause I threw out Darian Mensah as like, a name I liked in the, when we did the preseason. I'm such a fucking moron, I didn't bet it. So I'm sure it went down.

• 1:48:39Speaker 07

  Well, but the, the problem is Tony, Tony and Mensah, Sayan and Smith, I feel like that's a problem. I feel like you, you may have an issue with them stealing votes from one another. Although, I will say, remember when Devante Smith won it, Mac Jones was also a finalist. So it's possible to have the QB and the receiver both get enough shine. Like, if Jeremiah Smith goes and catches three touchdown passes, and they beat Texas this weekend, he's gonna be the guy for Ohio State that has a chance to win the Heisman. I think Tony could be one that could win it as a receiver, because, I mean, you have to go back and look at how good of a season Devante Smith had in 2020. The numbers were off the charts. Tony could put up numbers like that. The problem

• 1:49:21Speaker 07

  is, Devante Smith was playing against a ridiculous schedule. That was the, the all-conference schedule because it was COVID year. Um, I don't, Tony might get knocked for who they're playing. I think CJ Carr might have a shot, guys. I think Notre Dame's good. Yeah, I, I think there's a really good shot, because they're gonna be good. He's gonna be, I, I think he's better than he was last year, and he was really good last year. So, and, and you saw, they may not run the ball as well as they did last year. They lost two first-round running backs. So he may have to, to help carry them a little more.

• 1:49:53Speaker 00

  And, and, you know what? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna probably bet this. Uh, because the one thing I noticed, and, and this was Marcus Freeman all offseason, the leave no doubt, the message from last year, where they left out, and they, you know, got left out, leave no doubt. What happened on Sunday night? Luke Fickell does a cowardly punt, and Marcus Freeman and Luke Fickell know each other for a very, Luke Fickell coached him at Ohio State, and they were with each other. You'd think there'd be mutual respect. Marcus Freeman threw the ball, they were throwing the ball up 21 to extend the lead to 28. That's where you can get some Heisman stats. Like, those, those things matter if you, if you're gonna leave no doubt every week.

• 1:50:32Speaker 07

  They're gonna have the same, yeah, yeah. They're gonna have the same quality of competition issues that Miami's gonna have, and Tony and Mensah are gonna have. So the, the guy, you know, the Arch Mannings, the Sam, I mean, Sam Levitt? Sam Levitt could be that guy.

• 1:50:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't hate that.

• 1:50:49Speaker 07

  He could put up, cause remember, Lane didn't unlock Trinidad until, well, Austin Simmons was the starter, then he got hurt, and then Trinidad came in, and they didn't quite, I don't think, understood what they had. And then once they figured it out, he was off to the races. But like, Sam Levitt could be that guy doing that all season.

• 1:51:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, next, this weekend is gonna be so awesome. I can't wait for this weekend of college football, Andy. It's gonna be great. It's, it's gonna be so good.

• 1:51:15Speaker 07

  Listen, and it's not just, it's not just Michigan, Oklahoma. It is not just Texas, Ohio. It's like Alabama, Kentucky's fascinating, Arizona, BYU's really interesting. You got Tennessee, Georgia Tech. Like, we're gonna see some fun stuff this weekend.

• 1:51:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Is there one team that's still a, a major question mark in your eyes? One that you just have no idea what to make of them yet, cause they haven't been tested?

• 1:51:37Speaker 07

  USC has looked great so far. I don't, I don't know that their first-team defense has given up a point yet. And the, the young guys that they brought in, who are very, very highly touted recruits, look fantastic. Uh, Trent Mosley, uh, Mark Bowman, the tight end, Luke Waifel, the, the defensive end, have looked awesome. But I need to see this against better competition. So they, they've got a game against the Ragin' Cajuns, and then Week Four, they play Oregon. That's gonna tell us everything about USC. It's been the, the litmus test game for them. It was last year. I wanna see if this is for real, because Lincoln Riley, his rhetoric was very different this offseason. Previous off-seasons, it was a lot of excuses. It was a lot of, here's

• 1:52:20Speaker 07

  what, here's the crap I inherited. Uh, this is why we can't win. None of that this year. None of it. It was, we have what we need, the window is open, and the, the Gary Patterson defensive coordinator hire, I mean, did you see Gary Patterson celebrating that shutout against Fresno State? Like, they, they wanted that bad. And I get it, it's Fresno State. But the thing is, shutouts are hard. So if it's USC, which we've bagged on their defense for as long as Lincoln Riley's been there, who knows? If they, if they've got a good defense now, they're, they're a potential playoff team.

• 1:52:56Speaker 00

  Uh, all right, Andy, the game's about to start. Zach, you're up. Roback question, rhobk.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com, promo code TAKE. Andy is a big fan of you, Zach, because we finally got

• 1:53:11Speaker 07

  Before, before Zach asks his, his question, uh, speaking of Florida representation, so in, in the Mount Rushmore on Friday, when Zach said, waiting in line for gas before a hurricane,

• 1:53:26Speaker 07

  my, my Floridian heart almost exploded, because that is the worst, worst line waiting. So you guys are talking about Chipotle, I don't know, that was one of Zach's too. But that is the worst thing ever.

• 1:53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, justice for Zach. It was actually a great pick. Yeah. It was too niche, Andy, but I appreciate you have my back there. It means more than you know. Uh, I did have a quick question. I know you're in Tallahassee tonight, and you are a Florida man, but a Gator through and through, what is your unbiased ceiling for Florida State this season?

• 1:53:54Speaker 07

  So for Flor, for Florida or Florida State? Cause I can give you both.

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  Give us both.

• 1:53:58Speaker 07

  I'll take both, I'll take both.

• 1:53:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:00Speaker 07

  Florida State's ceiling feels fairly low. But Florida, boy, the offense looked good on, on Saturday night. They, they hadn't looked that good since, since Dan Mullen was there offensively. And everything John Sumrall has done since he got in there has been, he's made the right step, he's said the right things. But the question was, what's it gonna look like on the field? And the fact that the offense looked so smooth, that Buster Faulkner, the new office coordinator, he brought an offense that didn't look exactly like what he was running with Haynes King at Georgia Tech. It looked like he had built something bespoke around Aaron Philo, who's the quarterback he brought from Georgia Tech, and Jaden Ball, and Vronell Brown III, and Dallas Wilson. Like, they, they got a lot of talent. So I'm very intrigued to see what they can do. I don't necessarily think they're a playoff team. I think that they,

• 1:54:45Speaker 07

  defensively, I'm not sure how good they're gonna be up front, not sure how good they're gonna be in the back end. But this is a team that should be better than the Billy Napier teams, could be an eight, nine-win type team. The schedule's brutal, but I think this could be an eight, eight, nine-win type team.

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  I appreciate that. Thank you, sir.

• 1:55:03Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 1:55:04Speaker 02

  Good question, Zach.

• 1:55:04Speaker 00

  Andy, you're the best, man. We'll talk to you later on in the season. Everyone listen to Andy and Ari on On3 Network and he will, I think they're gonna do, they'll have a live report from Florida State SMU. I don't know if we're gonna, we're probably gonna record before the end of the game, so just listen to them if you're a Florida State or SMU fan.

• 1:55:23Speaker 07

  That's right. We will, we will be breaking it down now. Look, if it gets out of hand, we may start at the beginning of the fourth quarter, but I don't know. This is a crowd that, that expects better than that. I don't think that they'd be real happy here, but yeah. Osceola and Renegade are about to come out, so I'm gonna go watch that, the flaming spear hit the turf and best sport in the world. Thank you, guys.

• 1:55:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:55:43Speaker 02

  Love that, Andy. You're the best.

• 1:55:45Speaker 00

  Love you.

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• 1:57:39Speaker 00

  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is Western Michigan head coach Lance Taylor. And coach, uh, thank you for joining us. It dawned on me on Sunday because we had Labor Day weekend. So we all watched the game on Saturday night. We'll, we'll get into it. Tragic way to lose a game. But it dawned on me that if you, if Western Michigan, you guys win that game, you're probably doing every podcast, all the media, getting all the shine for, for the upset. And I was like, you know what? That's not fair. You should still get the shine. You should still come on the show because you guys fought your absolute ass off on Saturday night in the big house.

• 1:58:18Speaker 00

  And so it's like, hey, the result, we still need to have you on. So thank you for joining us and uh, we, I appreciate how hard you guys fought on Saturday night.

• 1:58:27Speaker 04

  Well, big cat, I appreciate you guys having me on. It's, it's an honor. I enjoy watching you guys. You guys are hilarious. And uh, you know, I hoped I'd been, I would be on this podcast under different circumstances as well. So, you know, we'll, uh, we'll, we'll, we'll pretend here.

• 1:58:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. All right. So yeah, go ahead.

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  I was gonna ask because I, I saw at the end of the game, um, like a lot of different people that were watching that game. I, I ended up changing the channel after the clock hit zero and it looked like you got to celebrate that game a little bit. You celebrated a big win. I'm, I'm just curious, how long did you live in a, in a reality, in a world where Western Michigan had just beaten Michigan in the big house?

• 1:59:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, you know, there, there are pictures that have kind of gone viral with me throwing up the, the dubs. You know, which, you know, I gotta be honest with you. That hurts even more. You know, just having lived in that moment, actually celebrating the, the first, you know, you, you think the game's over. You look up, the clocks are at zero. You know, honestly, our sideline rushed the field. Our fans were starting to go crazy behind our bench. And uh, and then the refs kind of stopped us about halfway out and just said, uh, this, this is under review, coach. You gotta get your, get your players back on the sideline. So at that point, I immediately tried to reset because you know, I, I, I still had my headset on. And I told our coaches, I said, hey, we may have another play here. Let's get our guys back on the sideline and try to reset and refocus.

• 1:59:51Speaker 04

  So it was short-lived, but it was, it was lived long enough to uh, you really rip your heart out.

• 1:59:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. So have you, have you gotten, you guys have been gracious in defeat and, and not, you know, uh, complained about the ruling. But what was the best explanation that you've gotten from anyone who, who's like, this is exactly what happened?

• 2:00:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, well, I'll say this. I think, you know, one, I appreciate, you know, our president, you know, President Cavallona. You've probably seen him in the interviews, like he bleeds brown and gold. You know, he's a former prosecutor. He is sharp. He's smart. He's, you know, he's behind us the whole way and he's wanted to pursue this to, to the nth degree. And uh, you know, I think one, you know, I want people to know, you know, like we, we, we wanted, and we wanted answers as well. Like we weren't just gonna let this go. Um, you know, whether there was anything that we could do about it or not, we wanted to make sure that, you know, our kids have been, you know, our young men, our team had been treated fairly and, and given a fair shake.

• 2:00:53Speaker 04

  And um, I don't know that there's been an answer that has been, you know, um, that, that we've loved. What I will say is, is the Big Ten officials, um, on Saturday night after the game, I'm actually on the bus ride home. And we had gone back and forth with our commissioner and the MAC and then the Big Ten officials. And they, you know, said, hey, you know, we will produce, um, the official review and the, um, you know, send you that video evidence. We had video of the actual clock and, and audio from, from the video booth. And so what they did, I was on the bus, on the bus ride home and um, they, they sent us a video. It was from the official review booth, uh, where you could hear audio of the official, the review officials talking in real time

• 2:01:38Speaker 04

  as they're watching the play and the, you know, countdown clock going off. Um, and they, you know, put it in super slow mo and, you know, paused each frame. And okay, the ball touched his hand. Here's where, where the, where the second was, you know, it was, it was tenths of a second, you know, I'll say that. And um, you know, at, at that point, you know, we felt like they, they've cooperated with us. Do we love the fact that it doesn't match or marry the video board, but you know, uh, clock? Or it doesn't sync with the clock on the TV on NBC? No, we didn't love that. That's not an ideal situation or scenario for anybody. And to me, that's not fair to fans or to, to my team as you're trying to explain, hey, guys, you know, I know it said, the clock said zero.

• 2:02:21Speaker 04

  But there was a different clock that we were actually looking at syncing, you know? Uh, that's hard to explain to, to, you know, young men and the fans. And I think, you know, I think college football deserves better.

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would agree. The secret clock thing doesn't, that doesn't fly too high. Like that's, that we saw that with the World Cup this summer. It's like the secret clock is good for nobody except for somebody that, that might have an agenda that might want things to go uh, in their direction, whatever that might, might be. But now you've got a job to do as a coach where you've got a team that went out there and fought their ass off. Was a very physical team. Um, so a lot of people would say outplayed Michigan in that game. If, if we're looking at the totality of it. And uh, now you have to find a way to, to not let this throw the entire season sideways. So uh, what's the vibe been inside the locker room, just in the, in the brief amount of time you've got to spend with the guys? And uh, where do you see this going from this point on?

• 2:03:16Speaker 04

  Well, I, I've been really proud of our team, just how they've handled this because, I mean, it's an emotional roller coaster now. I mean, it's like, it's, it's the craziest thing I've ever been on. And um, yeah, as, as, as 20 years of coaching, um, and then, you know, having been a player as well, this is the wildest ending that I've, I've ever had. And especially, you know, you get, we just talked about it, thinking you won the game, going out, actually celebrating and then having another play that uh, there, there becomes a different outcome. I think it was very tough for our players. Everybody saw on NBC kind of after the game, you know, our players on the field. There were tears in the locker room. Um, and that's hard as a head coach, as you come in the locker room. Because what do you, what do you say? I mean, they laid it all on the line. They played their hearts out.

• 2:04:01Speaker 04

  And to me, that was really the message. I wanted to be real and authentic with our team. Like, hey, guys, I love you. I'm proud of you. This stinks. There's nothing I can say or do that's gonna take that away. But at the end of the day, it really is about how we respond because whether you, you know, whether we won that game or not, and, and that would have been a huge win. We'd never beaten Michigan. It would have been an unbelievable win and in the, you know, and really. Our season and and in our um in the history of Western Michigan football.

• 2:04:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:29Speaker 04

  But our goals are still on the table.

• 2:04:32Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:04:32Speaker 04

  Not in our conference, you know, we still play a great G six opponent in Boise State. We can go still win the Mac. All of our goals are still on the table. And so that's what you really just try to impress upon the guys is like, listen, you you hurt and you should hurt right now because you laid it all on the line. And there's a lot of people proud of you because of how you played. And you proved on national television that you can't you came in a big house and played with a nationally ranked football team and went toe to toe and a team who is traditionally known as a physical football team.

• 2:05:04Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 2:05:04Speaker 04

  You were more physical than them.

• 2:05:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. Their head coach told me that at the end of the game. We saw it on the field. Everybody who watched this game, regardless of what the scoreboard said, can take that away.

• 2:05:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:14Speaker 04

  Can't take that can't take that away. They can put another second back on the clock, but they can't take that away.

• 2:05:18Speaker 00

  All right, I love that message. Let me add another one. I think you got to tell the the guys, hey, look, let's put the let's put the committee in a bind. Let's let's let's win the rest of our games and put the committee in a bind because I bet you if you guys were on the table, like you said, you play Boise, that could be an elimination game if you if you're able to to win the Mac and and run the table in the Mac. That committee, if you only have one loss next to your name, come come after Thanksgiving and the one loss is a game that's like, hey, they got screwed. That's that's that's the message is like you you control everything right now and you've been you've been a great coach. I mean, the the turnaround you've done at Western Michigan, winning the Mac last year. Uh, do you feel like, because I know it happened Saturday night. Were you around the guys today on Monday?

• 2:06:00Speaker 00

  Could you feel the vibe shift back where it's like, all right, now we've turned the page and we're ready to go?

• 2:06:06Speaker 04

  I I did, yeah. I mean, and that's a great point, uh, because because that was that was honestly what we talked about today was like, you got the attention of the, you know,

• 2:06:14Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:06:14Speaker 04

  CFP committee. You got the attention of the college football world. Now, what are we going to do with it?

• 2:06:19Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:06:19Speaker 04

  And I think that's what's been pretty cool. I mean, you know, it's it's kind of been an emotional roller coaster. I feel like I've been, you know, pulled a bunch of different directions, um, trying to be there for my team and our staff and coaches. And they've done an excellent job like they probably handled it better at, you know, at times than I have. You know, I'm selfish. I wanted to win that game. And, uh, you know, they they've done a great job of, hey, you know, like, let's reset, refocus, um, and and get back to work. They were awesome today when I saw them. And that's, you know, we've got great leadership. Like, one of the things I'm proud of is is we we won the Mac championship last year. We won 10 games. We won 10 of our last 11 games. And we didn't lose a single offensive or defensive starter in the transfer portal. And that just doesn't happen in the G five a- anymore.

• 2:07:04Speaker 04

  I mean, almost all of those guys, you know, were offered more money to go to bigger schools with more bells and whistles, and they decided to come back to to to Western Michigan. And I think that that shows, you know, that there there's a belief in buying and what we're doing and that they want to play with each other, that there's something special here at WMU and they feel like we can have a really special team. And I think that that showed on Saturday night, uh, for everybody.

• 2:07:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:29Speaker 04

  What I've seen for for a long time that we're going to have a special team.

• 2:07:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know you want to move forward and as a good coach, that's probably where your mindset should be. But as a a fan of the sport, I'm still dwelling on the ending of that game and and how it does feel like it was it was an all time moment that was ripped from you and ripped from the the the players on your team that worked so hard to make it happen. And watching it back, even with the explanation that they gave, which I I would, I would highly doubt that they would have spent that much time trying to find another second if the shoe was on the other foot and you all were attempting those hail Marys at the last second. Um, but has anybody given you an explanation to the fact that on the Big Ten video, you can't actually see the ball when it touches your player's hand? On the on the new angle with the clock overlay that we didn't see earlier, you still can't

• 2:08:17Speaker 02

  ever see that you can guess and say, you know, with a a a some degree of certainty that you think that's when it hit him, but you don't actually see the ball touch.

• 2:08:26Speaker 04

  No, I mean, listen, a lot, most of it doesn't make sense and it really does, you know, the stories don't necessarily match the video evidence. And and listen, when you go to video review, it's just like any other, you know, what we've been told is there has to be inconclusive evidence that the call on the field, like there's something different than what the call on the field was.

• 2:08:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:08:47Speaker 04

  Well, they blew the game out, like the game was over, right? And they and they bring us back to to to look at the um, video and then they put one second back on the clock. So, yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know that I'm, you know, we're satisfied with, you know, um, the explanation or even the evidence that that they've shown. Um, I think at the end of the day, you know, for us, it's it's about moving on. And and for me as a head coach, like, listen, you know, I I was there in the press conference after after the game and my two young, you know, my wife and two kids are sitting there, you know, my son is 12, my daughter's eight, you know, uh, they're sixth and fourth grade. And, you know, I'm trying, you know, I'm trying to show them how to handle adversity in a way that, you know, I probably want to get up there and pitch a fit.

• 2:09:30Speaker 04

  Honestly, you know, there there's a side of me that's selfish and I want to go, I don't go on a rant and really say what I want to say and say how I really feel. Uh, but I don't think that does anybody any good. You know, it certainly doesn't do our players any good.

• 2:09:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:43Speaker 04

  And and, you know, doesn't set the right example, even though that's probably what, you know, humanly, you know, from a human's standpoint and selfishly, you you want you want to do. Um, and so, you know, but I I did know, I did know even at that point, like our president and, you know, we were going to, you know, make sure that we pursued that to get some sort of answer.

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:05Speaker 04

  Whether whether it was accurate or not. But we were basically told after the game, like, listen, it doesn't matter what what's determined, like, the the outcome of the game is not changing. That's that's basically what we were told.

• 2:10:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:15Speaker 04

  The clock and what the clock is officially zero and they submit the score, it's not changing.

• 2:10:21Speaker 02

  Once, yeah, once the clock hits negative one second, we can't do anything to change the score.

• 2:10:26Speaker 00

  But like I said, you have, like, I I do think your team, the profile that you're going to gain from this is going to be with what you it depends on what you guys are able to do with it, but everyone's going to be rooting for Western Michigan going forward. And I will say, we we're we're big grit guys on this podcast. We've been doing a grit week for 10 years. You have grit on your helmet.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:45Speaker 00

  I we usually say this for grit week, but what is what is the word grit mean to you? And what what is, uh, how are you applying grit in this situation?

• 2:10:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was something that um, our our players, our leadership council, two years ago said that, you know, that they wanted to embody and, you know, really wanted that the identity um, and mentality of of our football team to be. Um, and and really, it's, you know, um, we're going to do whatever it takes um, to to win. And it's going to, you know, we're going to train from in a gritty uh, in a gritty way in everything that we do from how we train, how we lift, to how we condition, to how we practice. Um, and and ultimately grit is not something that we that we uh, put on a T-shirt, but it's but it's how we live. And so our guys have kind of embodied that. If you watched us the past two years, I think that we we have a gritty style of of play.

• 2:11:39Speaker 04

  Our quarterback is gritty. Um, we we say it's not always pretty, but it's going to be gritty. And I think that's a tough, physical brand of football that, you know, we're going to find a way to to win the game. And honestly, you know, that was a way I felt on Saturday night. I had complete confidence and belief in our team because over the last two years, we have found ways to win almost every single close game, even when we were down under two minutes to Toledo. We had to score a touchdown and get a two point conversion. You know, we were down late in Ohio, you know, in our rivalry game against Central Michigan. We have to score on fourth and six from the goal line to beat Central Michigan. And all those those things, you know, cul- culminated, we've just been a gritty football team, whatever or however it takes to to find a way to win a football game.

• 2:12:23Speaker 04

  Our our kids have have found a way to do that.

• 2:12:25Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 2:12:25Speaker 04

  Um.

• 2:12:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's awesome.

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  What was your message to your team?

• 2:12:29Speaker 04

  We'll send you some uh, Western Michigan, some grit, some grit hats.

• 2:12:32Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 2:12:33Speaker 04

  And a helmet.

• 2:12:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll wear them.

• 2:12:35Speaker 00

  We'll put the helmet up.

• 2:12:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely. For sure. What what was the uh, the final message to your team before the game? Because it did look like you guys weren't scared. That's one thing anybody could see from the get go. It's like that Western Michigan, they they believe they could win it. So what did you tell them in that in that final speech before kickoff?

• 2:12:52Speaker 04

  I just said, we belong. We prepared for the moment. You guys are are are ready. We've had a great week of preparation and you prepared, starting in the winter, summer, how we've trained and, um, you know, have the confidence and belief in each other that we do belong and uh, believe in each other and fight for 60 minutes. And uh, I think they they did show that they went out there and did it. And there was, you know, there was an eerie, you know, calm and confidence a lot of times in those, you know, P four games, especially like in the big house in game one, you know, there there's a control. Chaos where the, the, the, the noise, the fans, the, the, the moment almost seems, you know, too big sometimes for, for, you know, in, in those, in those moments.

• 2:13:34Speaker 04

  I think our guys just handled the poison, you know, that poison noise. It was pretty cool to, to see. They were confident that we were going to win there in the end.

• 2:13:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, all right, Coach. I got one last question for you. It's Roback question, R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off. Your first purchase Qs, Poles, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. I'm sure you saw in the Mac, I'm a big Mac fan, Akron trying to, uh, they did that whole promotion where someone's going to get to be a, a offensive coordinator for the first drive. I was a finalist. I was close. I was one of eight.

• 2:14:09Speaker 04

  I saw.

• 2:14:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you have Shark Wheel in your playbook?

• 2:14:16Speaker 04

  Okay, so you gotta, you gotta, uh, diagram Shark Will for me. I don't know. Let's see.

• 2:14:21Speaker 00

  It's literally just a running back coming out of the flat and running like down the sideline. I used to have the, the quarterback roll out to the same side, put the linebacker in hell, hit him for a touchdown. And then spam that play like 25 times. The computer never catches up.

• 2:14:38Speaker 04

  We actually called that in the Michigan game.

• 2:14:39Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 2:14:40Speaker 04

  They, they covered the running back. We hit the tight end on the league coming back. So.

• 2:14:44Speaker 00

  Love that. Okay.

• 2:14:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. It was, it was, it was a good completion for us in the Michigan game. You'll have to go back and watch it.

• 2:14:49Speaker 00

  All right. So yeah, more Shark Wheel. That would be my only advice to you. Yeah. Just spam that play. It's hard to, it's hard to defend.

• 2:14:56Speaker 04

  Well, you know, you didn't win the opportunity to call a play for Akron. Maybe we can make it happen where you, you have a play for Western Michigan here, you know?

• 2:15:04Speaker 00

  That would be fun.

• 2:15:05Speaker 04

  Sounds, sounds like a pretty cool idea.

• 2:15:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, we should. We'll, we'll bring all the boys out, out to Kalamazoo. We have a great time.

• 2:15:11Speaker 02

  You gotta be careful offering that because we've got a whole file of dumbass ideas. We might, we might really weigh down your program with.

• 2:15:17Speaker 04

  Those are always the best plays though. The ones that you're like, that's not going to work. There's no chance.

• 2:15:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. Get ready, get ready to learn fake punt, punt.

• 2:15:25Speaker 02

  Or maybe, uh, like a triple, uh, fake flea flicker. You toss it, you toss it back, then you fake the toss again, then you run it.

• 2:15:34Speaker 00

  We got him.

• 2:15:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, we'll make you so much worse. Just give us a second. Yeah.

• 2:15:38Speaker 00

  We're ready to go. Well, Coach, thank you so much. Uh, really, really respect the hell out of you guys and your program. Uh, you guys fought your asses off on Saturday night. Like I said at the start, you would have probably been doing all the shows and it's bullshit that that doesn't happen. So we wanted to have you on and, uh, we'll, we'll definitely rep some Western Michigan stuff. And if we can ever make it to Kalamazoo for a game, we'd love to come.

• 2:16:00Speaker 04

  Really appreciate you guys have me on. You guys are the best. Appreciate it.

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• 2:17:08Speaker 00

  Okay. Max is back. Max, you want to sit, sit, uh, with the mic? Max, first of all, we missed you, dude. Did you miss us? At what point in the two week sex vacation where you're like, all right, this is too much sex?

• 2:17:24Speaker 05

  Uh, I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't say it was uh, too much sex. I, I will say.

• 2:17:31Speaker 00

  Dude, you got one, Vince Carter, you got one more in me?

• 2:17:34Speaker 02

  No such thing. Am I right?

• 2:17:35Speaker 05

  I was having like the perfectly average amount of sex. Like.

• 2:17:39Speaker 02

  That's what I said.

• 2:17:39Speaker 05

  I'm not, I'm not a marathon guy.

• 2:17:43Speaker 02

  That's exactly verbatim what I say about my height.

• 2:17:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:17:48Speaker 05

  I'm not a marathon guy. You know, it's, it's, I, I run the football when it come, when it comes to the bedroom.

• 2:17:54Speaker 00

  All right. How was, how was the honeymoon?

• 2:17:56Speaker 05

  It was, it was very nice. I will say at like day 10, I was like, I, I'm, I'm, I miss the boys.

• 2:18:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:18:01Speaker 05

  I wanted to come back to the boys.

• 2:18:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:18:03Speaker 05

  Two weeks is a long time. I had a really good time.

• 2:18:05Speaker 00

  Where did you go?

• 2:18:07Speaker 05

  I went everywhere. It was, we would go for one place for like two days and then we would go somewhere else.

• 2:18:12Speaker 00

  So tell us where you went.

• 2:18:14Speaker 05

  Nice. Es, Saint Tropez.

• 2:18:17Speaker 00

  Where, what country are these places in?

• 2:18:18Speaker 05

  Those are all in France. Okay. So one week in, that was the one week in France.

• 2:18:22Speaker 00

  Were you, did you go like, like, uh, Banana Hammock at the beach?

• 2:18:28Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:18:29Speaker 00

  Okay. You were in like.

• 2:18:30Speaker 05

  I was wearing.

• 2:18:31Speaker 02

  You should have worn the Max Speedo.

• 2:18:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:18:33Speaker 05

  No, I don't even own one of those. I did see that oldie was ripping it at camp though.

• 2:18:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:18:38Speaker 02

  He looked good.

• 2:18:38Speaker 00

  Ripping it is correct.

• 2:18:41Speaker 05

  Uh, and then I did Piedmont, Lake Como, Milan, Italy.

• 2:18:47Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:18:47Speaker 05

  That.

• 2:18:49Speaker 05

  I don't think that was an Italian noise that you just made.

• 2:18:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you, you're a little late on the French.

• 2:18:55Speaker 05

  Uh, but it was awesome. It was definitely like a once in a lifetime trip.

• 2:18:59Speaker 02

  What's the best meal you had?

• 2:19:01Speaker 00

  Alfredo.

• 2:19:02Speaker 05

  Um.

• 2:19:03Speaker 00

  People were getting on you for the Alfredo tweet.

• 2:19:05Speaker 05

  No, that Alfredo is, Alfredo is just not like a real, the Alfredo that people think in America, you'll never find that.

• 2:19:14Speaker 00

  Right. And that's what I'm saying. So you tweeting that was crazy.

• 2:19:17Speaker 05

  Oh. Right. I thought you were, people were getting on me. Got it, got it.

• 2:19:22Speaker 02

  No, you tweeted out how much Alfredo.

• 2:19:23Speaker 05

  Right, right. I tweeted that. I forgot that, I forgot that was a tweet that came from my account. There were a couple, there were a couple of tweets that came from my account that were not me. But that's fine. That is what it is.

• 2:19:34Speaker 00

  It is what it is.

• 2:19:35Speaker 02

  Favorite, favorite city?

• 2:19:36Speaker 00

  Favorite meal, favorite meal.

• 2:19:37Speaker 05

  Uh, my favorite trip was actually Piedmont. I went there for two nights, one day.

• 2:19:41Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 2:19:42Speaker 05

  Uh, just like wine, wine country in Italy, like very, very small town. Went to a couple of different wineries.

• 2:19:49Speaker 00

  Manhandling those wine glasses.

• 2:19:51Speaker 05

  Oh yeah. A hundred percent. And we went to, like.

• 2:19:54Speaker 00

  You gotta be the most American guy.

• 2:19:56Speaker 05

  Oh yeah. It was, well, it was the slow season for that like town. So we went to two different wine tastings where there were supposed to be like five people there. And, and me and my wife were the only people at both of the wine tastings. So it was just us and like the guide who barely spoke English at both of the ones that we went to. And then they just kept pouring us more wine because they like ran out of things to say that they were like, oh, we're only supposed to give you this much. We'll, we'll give you more. We'll give you more.

• 2:20:25Speaker 00

  Hell yeah.

• 2:20:25Speaker 05

  So that was cool.

• 2:20:26Speaker 00

  All right. Best meal?

• 2:20:28Speaker 05

  Uh, best meal was also, was also in Piedmont. Um, see, here's the thing. We did like, uh, like a fancy Michelin dinner one night, and then we also did just like the normal hotel dinner.

• 2:20:39Speaker 00

  Same night?

• 2:20:40Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:20:43Speaker 05

  Two different nights. Um, the Michelin was.

• 2:20:47Speaker 00

  Muck banged in Italy?

• 2:20:48Speaker 05

  We did no muck banging. I've always, Zach should be, Zach should be getting in the muck bang game, but that's a different story.

• 2:20:54Speaker 00

  What's the muck bang exactly? You just put food everywhere?

• 2:20:57Speaker 02

  You eat and you talk about what you're eating. Yeah.

• 2:20:58Speaker 00

  Zach, you should.

• 2:20:59Speaker 05

  But like, if you eat a lot of food, like those guys go crazy.

• 2:21:02Speaker 00

  You should be muck.

• 2:21:02Speaker 05

  Like, those accounts go absolutely nuts.

• 2:21:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Or like the, where like, there's like a love seat. They open it up. It's just ravioli.

• 2:21:10Speaker 05

  There's a guy on TikTok right now who's doing, uh, Chinese buffet reviews and he is.

• 2:21:16Speaker 00

  I saw that until he gets sick. Yeah.

• 2:21:18Speaker 05

  No, until he gets.

• 2:21:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. Food poisoning. Yeah.

• 2:21:21Speaker 05

  He is awesome. He's my favorite guy online. Moment reviews. Shout out to that guy.

• 2:21:25Speaker 00

  I saw that the other day.

• 2:21:26Speaker 05

  Uh, that's aside from the point of this vacation. It was a very fun vacation. Uh, Piedmont was the best food.

• 2:21:31Speaker 02

  Did you meet any, uh?

• 2:21:33Speaker 05

  Piemonte.

• 2:21:34Speaker 02

  Any, uh, Philly fans over there?

• 2:21:36Speaker 05

  No, there were, uh, Lake Como is, is America. That's the other thing I found.

• 2:21:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:41Speaker 05

  Everyone in Lake Como is American and it is very much, it's, it's a great place. Absolutely beautiful. But like, there's no Italian people there.

• 2:21:51Speaker 02

  No, so no, no Birds fans?

• 2:21:53Speaker 05

  There, no, there were that, like I, no one came up to me for like the first 10 days of, of the trip when I was in France and in Piedmont. And then when I got to Lake Como, it was like, just like I was in, in, it was just all different American people visiting.

• 2:22:05Speaker 00

  So there was some Eagles chants going?

• 2:22:07Speaker 05

  I wouldn't say Eagles chants, but it was.

• 2:22:08Speaker 00

  Did you do any Eagles chants?

• 2:22:10Speaker 05

  No, no, like.

• 2:22:12Speaker 02

  Did you say go Birds at all?

• 2:22:13Speaker 00

  E A G L E S.

• 2:22:14Speaker 05

  No, I did not.

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  It's been, it's been over two weeks since you've said go Birds.

• 2:22:18Speaker 05

  No, I was saying go Birds.

• 2:22:19Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 2:22:20Speaker 05

  Cause the, yeah, well, in Lake Como.

• 2:22:21Speaker 00

  That'd be funny if like the first 10 days when Max had no one coming up to him, his wife was like, yeah, you just keep saying go Birds in your sleep.

• 2:22:28Speaker 05

  I could have been doing that.

• 2:22:29Speaker 02

  Get out of your system.

• 2:22:30Speaker 05

  She wears, she wears earplugs.

• 2:22:33Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. Yeah. My wife like gets strapped up. She looks like, she's, she looks like she's an astronaut. She got the fucking face mask, the ear, earplugs, the fan.

• 2:22:44Speaker 05

  I did listen to the one day where you were like, these, these gifts better be good. They better not be shot glasses and.

• 2:22:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, I think it's like, it's kind of similar. It's like, uh, you know, if you get fired from a job, you get severance, you get severance for how long you've been there. You were gone for 14, 15 days. You missed some pretty big stuff. You missed the camp bar stool. You missed the grudge match. Um, some big, big stuff. So the gift should be appropriate to how long you were gone.

• 2:23:12Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:23:15Speaker 05

  So I did, I had already gotten the, the other gifts before.

• 2:23:19Speaker 00

  Do we have two rounds of gifts?

• 2:23:20Speaker 05

  We have two rounds of gifts.

• 2:23:21Speaker 00

  Oh, so give us the shitty gifts first. I love this. This is actually great. So the first round was done. So this is a round of gifts before you heard us saying you better bring back good gifts.

• 2:23:31Speaker 05

  Correct. Uh, a lot of, some of these are for the booth boys too. And, and the guys outside, um.

• 2:23:39Speaker 00

  You just got us pasta? You switched to Whole Foods?

• 2:23:41Speaker 05

  No, no, no. I got you. I got, I did get you food. Um, you, P, Big Cat, this is, this is, uh, authentic Italian pistachio cream. Actually fantastic.

• 2:23:53Speaker 02

  Isn't that for your face?

• 2:23:54Speaker 05

  No, you eat it.

• 2:23:55Speaker 00

  You eat this?

• 2:23:56Speaker 05

  Yes. It's so good.

• 2:23:57Speaker 00

  Okay. And I'm not a big pistachio guy, but that's fine. You read that one wrong.

• 2:24:03Speaker 05

  You want the haz, I have hazelnut as well.

• 2:24:06Speaker 00

  No, I don't like hazelnut either.

• 2:24:07Speaker 05

  You don't? Okay, that's.

• 2:24:08Speaker 00

  I'll take the pistachio.

• 2:24:11Speaker 05

  Just really.

• 2:24:12Speaker 02

  It's almost like he's good.

• 2:24:13Speaker 00

  He went back and got different gifts.

• 2:24:14Speaker 02

  Know anything about you.

• 2:24:17Speaker 00

  Pistachio cream. So you put this, you put this on your eyes?

• 2:24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, on your face.

• 2:24:21Speaker 05

  No, you put it on like toes.

• 2:24:22Speaker 02

  It's good for wrinkles.

• 2:24:23Speaker 00

  I think you put it on your eyes.

• 2:24:24Speaker 05

  No, you definitely don't put it on your eyes.

• 2:24:27Speaker 02

  You jack off with it?

• 2:24:27Speaker 05

  PFT, this is from a farmer's market in Antibe, actually. They had a bunch of different

• 2:24:36Speaker 05

  jams, and this was the best one. They had a bunch of like tastings.

• 2:24:41Speaker 00

  These are terrible gifts.

• 2:24:42Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait. What flavor jam?

• 2:24:44Speaker 05

  It's melon. It's, I've never had it before. I know that you, I, I, I see you eat on crossbowls every day, so I thought maybe you would try this.

• 2:24:51Speaker 02

  That's true, and I love melons.

• 2:24:52Speaker 00

  By the way, I would like to just say that I am open to trades on the pistachio cream.

• 2:24:57Speaker 05

  Hank, you, Hank, you got the?

• 2:25:00Speaker 02

  Do I rub this on my hands?

• 2:25:01Speaker 05

  It's hazelnut Italian. It's like Nutella.

• 2:25:05Speaker 04

  For like coffee? For coffee?

• 2:25:07Speaker 05

  No, it's all, it's like Nutella. What do you mean? I just said it's like Nutella, and you asked if it's like, if it's for coffee.

• 2:25:12Speaker 04

  It's hazelnut.

• 2:25:13Speaker 05

  Yes, it's, Nutella is made out of hazelnut and choc-

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  It's really melony.

• 2:25:18Speaker 00

  Do you want some pistachio cream?

• 2:25:20Speaker 04

  Oh, it smells good.

• 2:25:21Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I, I love pistachio. Do you like melons?

• 2:25:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, let's trade.

• 2:25:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, all right, good.

• 2:25:26Speaker 00

  Pistachio is my favorite nut. I'd like to trade the melon for any pasta that you might have.

• 2:25:30Speaker 05

  All right, fine.

• 2:25:31Speaker 02

  Hank, how's that hazelnut?

• 2:25:33Speaker 04

  It's good. It tastes like Nutella.

• 2:25:35Speaker 00

  All right, great gift. Pasta. This is a good gift.

• 2:25:39Speaker 05

  I also have an Elton John bobblehead.

• 2:25:41Speaker 00

  Oh, I'd like-

• 2:25:42Speaker 05

  For, for someone.

• 2:25:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'd like that too.

• 2:25:44Speaker 05

  I just got this.

• 2:25:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, all right, we'll just put this on.

• 2:25:47Speaker 05

  Um-

• 2:25:50Speaker 05

  Already broken?

• 2:25:51Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 2:25:53Speaker 02

  Max, this, uh-

• 2:25:54Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:25:54Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:25:55Speaker 00

  He's good.

• 2:25:55Speaker 05

  It honestly did break in transit, but, uh, my wife had super glue that, that we, that we were able to use.

• 2:26:02Speaker 02

  Pistachio cream is incredible.

• 2:26:04Speaker 05

  I also have this bobblehead for somebody else.

• 2:26:07Speaker 00

  What's that? Messi!

• 2:26:08Speaker 02

  I know, I know a guy that would love that.

• 2:26:10Speaker 00

  I know a perfect guy for that one.

• 2:26:12Speaker 05

  So that, that, this will be for, that'll be for you. All right, would you like me to get to my other gifts?

• 2:26:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, wait, so wait, what did the, what did memes get?

• 2:26:18Speaker 05

  Uh, oh.

• 2:26:19Speaker 00

  Pasta? You just, you just spammed pasta?

• 2:26:24Speaker 05

  Memes got, uh, dick and balls for shot glasses.

• 2:26:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:26:28Speaker 02

  Wait, I love that.

• 2:26:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. Or no, tits, tits-

• 2:26:31Speaker 00

  So you had all these gifts?

• 2:26:33Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah.

• 2:26:34Speaker 00

  And you heard us being like, you better not bring us back shot glasses.

• 2:26:37Speaker 05

  I had all of those gifts before, before you said all of this.

• 2:26:40Speaker 00

  Okay, so these are good pre-gifs.

• 2:26:42Speaker 02

  This is actually-

• 2:26:42Speaker 05

  So then, then I was in Milan, and I was like, all right, like, my last trip was Milan before, or after you, I, I heard all of that. And I was like, what is Milan known for? Milan is known for designer items. So I went to a designer outlet store.

• 2:27:03Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:27:04Speaker 05

  And tried to find designer items that I could bring back. Turns out, even a designer outlet store, the, the brands that you think-

• 2:27:13Speaker 02

  That's a big, big windup.

• 2:27:15Speaker 05

  They're, they're still extremely expensive.

• 2:27:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:27:20Speaker 05

  So-

• 2:27:21Speaker 00

  So, you don't love us? Is that what you're trying to say?

• 2:27:24Speaker 02

  He's like, bear that in mind.

• 2:27:25Speaker 00

  You don't love us.

• 2:27:26Speaker 02

  So I went to the counterfeit guy down the street.

• 2:27:29Speaker 05

  So my first gift is a pair of Prada socks for Big Cat.

• 2:27:33Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:27:33Speaker 00

  I, I do, I will never wear those socks.

• 2:27:36Speaker 05

  They're Prada.

• 2:27:37Speaker 02

  Dude, they're Prada.

• 2:27:38Speaker 05

  These are Prada socks.

• 2:27:39Speaker 00

  When would I ever wear those socks?

• 2:27:42Speaker 05

  You, you wear a suit for, for advisors once a week, and you can wear Prada socks.

• 2:27:49Speaker 00

  Sweatpants underneath. All right, give them to me.

• 2:27:51Speaker 05

  These are Prada socks.

• 2:27:52Speaker 00

  Prada socks are officially, uh, open to trades.

• 2:27:55Speaker 05

  See, here's the other thing. Nothing in Italy is a, is-

• 2:28:00Speaker 00

  You almost doxed me, dude. You almost doxed me. That was fucked up.

• 2:28:04Speaker 05

  Prada socks.

• 2:28:05Speaker 00

  You almost doxed my fucking size.

• 2:28:07Speaker 05

  Uh, my next thing, and then-

• 2:28:09Speaker 00

  I like how you had to stop yourself in like a two, a two-

• 2:28:14Speaker 05

  Well, you're, well-

• 2:28:15Speaker 00

  How much?

• 2:28:16Speaker 05

  It's Italy 2X, and like, I didn't think that you were an Italy 1X, yeah.

• 2:28:20Speaker 02

  How much did those socks cost?

• 2:28:23Speaker 05

  A lot.

• 2:28:23Speaker 00

  Two hundred and fifty dinero.

• 2:28:25Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 2:28:25Speaker 00

  I don't know what that is. Lira?

• 2:28:27Speaker 05

  No, they were marked, they were marked, that's the-

• 2:28:30Speaker 00

  Euro.

• 2:28:30Speaker 05

  The, two hundred and fifty euro, I think it was one hundred and thirty euro, that was marked down from two, all of this is from, I went to a outlet store, but it was all, I spent like a thousand euro at this place on the-

• 2:28:43Speaker 00

  That's too much.

• 2:28:44Speaker 05

  On shitty stuff. Well, you told me I didn't, I needed to come back with beggars.

• 2:28:47Speaker 00

  An Italian flag, or like a sombrero, but it's Italian.

• 2:28:51Speaker 05

  What does that fucking mean?

• 2:28:52Speaker 00

  You know what I'm saying?

• 2:28:53Speaker 02

  I just wanted maybe-

• 2:28:54Speaker 00

  So then, like a-

• 2:28:55Speaker 02

  Velour.

• 2:28:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:28:56Speaker 05

  So then my next thing-

• 2:28:57Speaker 00

  Tiny flute.

• 2:28:58Speaker 05

  Once I, also, that was the only name brand of anything in the store that I, that I could have got was those Prada socks.

• 2:29:04Speaker 00

  Okay, these are beautiful Prada socks. Hank, would you like the Prada socks?

• 2:29:08Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:29:08Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:29:09Speaker 05

  They're Prada. Prada socks.

• 2:29:10Speaker 00

  Anyone like some Prada socks?

• 2:29:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you gotta be able to show them off, or else it's like you're, I'm wearing designer, but like, those are socks we'd wear underneath pants, and no one would ever see.

• 2:29:17Speaker 00

  They have the Prada, like, metal logo on the sock.

• 2:29:21Speaker 05

  They're, they're legit. Um, and then, I, once I realized that, I was like, I need to just find-

• 2:29:27Speaker 00

  Free your bat at home.

• 2:29:30Speaker 04

  All right, deal.

• 2:29:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:29:30Speaker 05

  Exactly. That's a lead.

• 2:29:32Speaker 00

  Put the Prada socks on that.

• 2:29:34Speaker 05

  Um, okay, so then, once I realized that we weren't gonna be able to get the name brand of name brands, I just started to look for funny stuff inside of the store. Um, and that started with-

• 2:29:44Speaker 02

  You went to like the Italian Spencer's gifts?

• 2:29:46Speaker 00

  You, you, you, you blew your whole budget on a pair of socks.

• 2:29:51Speaker 05

  So-

• 2:29:52Speaker 00

  All right, here we go, now we're getting somewhere.

• 2:29:54Speaker 05

  So this is from, my wife was also looking with me. I was like, I need to come back with good gifts. Unironically, she was like, I think Hank would look really good.

• 2:30:02Speaker 00

  Oh, that is nice.

• 2:30:04Speaker 05

  So this, so this is for Hank?

• 2:30:06Speaker 00

  What is?

• 2:30:06Speaker 02

  What does that say on it?

• 2:30:07Speaker 05

  PFT actually has, has two here.

• 2:30:10Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:30:10Speaker 04

  What? No strap.

• 2:30:12Speaker 05

  I don't know what it says, but it- She was like, I could, I could see Hank wearing it.

• 2:30:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I like that, Hank.

• 2:30:16Speaker 05

  Um, PFT, you actually have two, and you have the option to gift one of these to a friend.

• 2:30:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:30:22Speaker 05

  Or join forces with a friend.

• 2:30:25Speaker 00

  Or what about trade them for Prada socks?

• 2:30:27Speaker 05

  Trade them for Prada socks.

• 2:30:28Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:30:29Speaker 05

  The first is, I feel like you need louder sweatpants.

• 2:30:31Speaker 02

  I do, yeah. My sweatpants game has been-

• 2:30:33Speaker 05

  You-

• 2:30:34Speaker 00

  Those are girls' sweatpants.

• 2:30:36Speaker 05

  No, these are men's sweatpants, for sure. These are not juicy sweatpants.

• 2:30:41Speaker 02

  There's nothing on the butt.

• 2:30:42Speaker 05

  What? There's nothing on the butt, no.

• 2:30:44Speaker 02

  That's how you can tell.

• 2:30:45Speaker 05

  These are, these are perfectly man, men's.

• 2:30:47Speaker 02

  We sure about that?

• 2:30:49Speaker 00

  Okay, so now I'm understanding.

• 2:30:50Speaker 05

  Yes, there's an, yes.

• 2:30:51Speaker 00

  What size is that?

• 2:30:52Speaker 05

  This is, this is a large.

• 2:30:54Speaker 00

  Okay, so now I'm understanding why I can only get socks.

• 2:30:57Speaker 05

  This is a large, but it, but it, it, I felt like it could work for PFT.

• 2:31:00Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, I like that JMU color.

• 2:31:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is why I like it.

• 2:31:03Speaker 05

  Part two of the, of this gift.

• 2:31:07Speaker 05

  I got you a Jerry O'Connell shirt.

• 2:31:08Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 2:31:09Speaker 05

  That you can either gift to Jerry O'Connell.

• 2:31:11Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 2:31:12Speaker 05

  Or if you wanna, if you wanna play the card of Jerry O'Connell.

• 2:31:15Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, Jerry, he did take over fantasy full ownership for me, so I think I have to at least try it on.

• 2:31:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:31:21Speaker 02

  We have to see if it fits. Thank you, Max.

• 2:31:25Speaker 00

  Great gift.

• 2:31:26Speaker 02

  These are some good sweatpants.

• 2:31:27Speaker 05

  Um, I think the next one, I'll give to memes. I think he actually will really like fanny pack for memes, or I think this is a fanny pack. It's a bag. It's a bag for memes and all.

• 2:31:39Speaker 00

  Oh, that's sick. Let me see it.

• 2:31:42Speaker 05

  Well, Zach also got one too.

• 2:31:43Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 2:31:44Speaker 05

  Zach's is-

• 2:31:45Speaker 02

  Oh, sweet.

• 2:31:46Speaker 00

  I kinda want this. Memes, you want some socks?

• 2:31:48Speaker 02

  I do like socks.

• 2:31:50Speaker 05

  The socks are, Zach will take the, I, I know Zach would appreciate the Prada socks.

• 2:31:54Speaker 04

  All gifts are appreciated.

• 2:31:55Speaker 05

  Huh? I, I can't.

• 2:31:57Speaker 00

  All gifts are appreciated.

• 2:31:58Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:31:58Speaker 00

  This is a cool, this is a cool little bag.

• 2:32:01Speaker 05

  Good bag.

• 2:32:02Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 2:32:02Speaker 00

  It's like a purse.

• 2:32:03Speaker 05

  And then there's another bag. This one is around the waist.

• 2:32:06Speaker 00

  All right.

• 2:32:07Speaker 05

  This one could be, could be dicey. It's a little, but, well, you know, we'll, we'll figure that out.

• 2:32:12Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm getting lost in the fish trap.

• 2:32:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:32:16Speaker 05

  Um-

• 2:32:16Speaker 00

  That's good gifts.

• 2:32:18Speaker 05

  And, yeah, I have some others, some other stuff.

• 2:32:21Speaker 00

  What the other ones are.

• 2:32:22Speaker 05

  I have, uh, I got this for Shane.

• 2:32:26Speaker 00

  Oh, that's perfect for Shane.

• 2:32:27Speaker 05

  This, this felt like, this felt like a Shane shirt to me.

• 2:32:30Speaker 00

  Shane, get in here. You know what?

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  I wanna see, put that on. That's actually a great date shirt for Shane.

• 2:32:35Speaker 05

  And then, I, I have some bucket hats. I, I tried to look for the biggest shirts for Colton, like I said.

• 2:32:43Speaker 00

  They don't do those.

• 2:32:44Speaker 05

  They, they don't do, they don't-

• 2:32:45Speaker 00

  Let me see the bucket hats.

• 2:32:47Speaker 02

  What do you think?

• 2:32:48Speaker 00

  That looks good.

• 2:32:49Speaker 02

  Should I give this to Jerry, or should I keep it?

• 2:32:50Speaker 04

  I should keep it.

• 2:32:51Speaker 02

  He's like the guy from Fifty First Dates.

• 2:32:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, you look good.

• 2:32:54Speaker 02

  I kinda feel hot in this. I'll be honest.

• 2:32:56Speaker 05

  I feel like it looks good.

• 2:32:57Speaker 04

  It'd be good for kicking field goals tomorrow.

• 2:32:58Speaker 02

  I feel beautiful.

• 2:32:59Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:33:01Speaker 00

  What, uh, let me see the bucket hats. Well, you got lightheaded.

• 2:33:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, blue one, blue one for Jacob.

• 2:33:08Speaker 00

  Let me see.

• 2:33:09Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 2:33:09Speaker 05

  He's, uh-

• 2:33:10Speaker 02

  Gators?

• 2:33:10Speaker 05

  Gators.

• 2:33:11Speaker 00

  Oh, I can't really catch with my socks on.

• 2:33:13Speaker 05

  And then, uh, this black one here, here for Colton.

• 2:33:19Speaker 02

  Matching buckies for the boys. I like those.

• 2:33:22Speaker 05

  I also have olive oil for-

• 2:33:27Speaker 00

  Shane, put that shirt on.

• 2:33:28Speaker 05

  I got olive oil for Colton because Pug loves olive oil, and Colton is just Pug. And-

• 2:33:36Speaker 00

  Yep. Give him a shirt. Give Shane a shirt.

• 2:33:39Speaker 05

  Where's the shirt? What happened to it? Oh, it's right here.

• 2:33:44Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, that is a Shane shirt.

• 2:33:48Speaker 05

  I thought you would, I thought you would really like it. And it was, and it was an XL.

• 2:33:52Speaker 00

  Shane, with those sweatpants and that shirt, you look ready to go to a strip club.

• 2:33:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:33:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:34:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:01Speaker 05

  That looks good. I mean, that, that's sure, that's a good looking shirt.

• 2:34:04Speaker 00

  That's a good shirt. You like my sock, Shane?

• 2:34:07Speaker 05

  Prada.

• 2:34:08Speaker 00

  They're pretty cool, they're Prada.

• 2:34:09Speaker 05

  Prada.

• 2:34:09Speaker 00

  No big deal.

• 2:34:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:34:11Speaker 00

  Alright, good job, Max. You did a good job. We're happy you're back. We missed the fuck out of you.

• 2:34:16Speaker 02

  This is sick.

• 2:34:17Speaker 05

  You look great.

• 2:34:17Speaker 02

  This is sick. Uh, what'd you think about Pete Prisco's appearance on the show?

• 2:34:21Speaker 05

  I think you guys did a really good job of defending Jalen Hurts.

• 2:34:23Speaker 02

  I did, I did not.

• 2:34:24Speaker 05

  I think you guys did a really, really good job of defending somebody else.

• 2:34:27Speaker 00

  Would you take Trevor Lawrence or Jalen Hurts?

• 2:34:29Speaker 05

  I would take Jalen Hurts.

• 2:34:30Speaker 00

  Would you? You sure?

• 2:34:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:34:34Speaker 02

  What if they switch rosters?

• 2:34:35Speaker 05

  I would.

• 2:34:36Speaker 02

  Would you rather have Jalen Hurts on the Jaguars or Trevor Lawrence on the Eagles?

• 2:34:39Speaker 05

  I would like to see, uh, Trevor Lawrence with Kevin Matullo as his offensive coordinator.

• 2:34:45Speaker 02

  That's, that's mean.

• 2:34:46Speaker 00

  What about Trevor Lawrence with, uh, Kellen Moore as his offensive coordinator?

• 2:34:51Speaker 05

  He would probably be pretty good.

• 2:34:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, maybe better than Jalen Hurts?

• 2:34:54Speaker 05

  I don't know if, what, he's gonna win two Super Bowls?

• 2:34:58Speaker 00

  Maybe, yeah. You don't know.

• 2:35:00Speaker 05

  Well, I don't, Jalen Hurts could have won multiple Super Bowls.

• 2:35:03Speaker 00

  Right, I know.

• 2:35:03Speaker 02

  If, if Trevor Lawrence didn't fumble that ball.

• 2:35:05Speaker 05

  He's, Jalen Hurts is batting a thousand for Super Bowls with.

• 2:35:09Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:35:10Speaker 05

  Kellen Moore, yes. With Kellen.

• 2:35:12Speaker 02

  Oh, with Kellen Moore.

• 2:35:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:35:14Speaker 05

  He was there for once.

• 2:35:14Speaker 00

  So I guess we'll never know.

• 2:35:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, he can't do better.

• 2:35:18Speaker 00

  No, he could. MVP and Super Bowl.

• 2:35:21Speaker 05

  Well, he wants to bowl.

• 2:35:22Speaker 00

  No, I know, but MVP of the league.

• 2:35:24Speaker 05

  And, and.

• 2:35:24Speaker 00

  And Super Bowl MVP would be better.

• 2:35:27Speaker 05

  Okay, maybe.

• 2:35:28Speaker 00

  So, sounds like there's still room.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  I can't wait for Sunday, Max.

• 2:35:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:35:35Speaker 00

  The fact you guys are playing in the afternoon too is crazy.

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  I, I hate that part of it.

• 2:35:39Speaker 00

  Max, you have to like demolish them.

• 2:35:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:35:41Speaker 05

  I, no, I know. I, I, I'm not, I wish there was a, a buffer game. Like a warm-up game, like, let me, like, the fact that we gotta go right into it. And then.

• 2:35:51Speaker 00

  Also, we're.

• 2:35:52Speaker 05

  We're.

• 2:35:53Speaker 00

  Max and I are.

• 2:35:54Speaker 05

  Chicago week is coming.

• 2:35:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. But the, there's a very good chance, a high chance, that the, the Bears and Eagles play Monday Night Football, and then the Phillies and Cubs play the NL wildcard the next day, three-game series.

• 2:36:08Speaker 05

  All in Chicago.

• 2:36:09Speaker 00

  Possibly.

• 2:36:10Speaker 05

  Possibly all in Chicago.

• 2:36:11Speaker 00

  Cubs have to.

• 2:36:13Speaker 05

  The Cubs.

• 2:36:14Speaker 00

  I don't, the pitching is just. P C A is just doing historic things every game, then they're like, oh, and then.

• 2:36:21Speaker 05

  The Phillies and the Cubs are also just the complete opposite teams.

• 2:36:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:36:25Speaker 05

  Like, the Phillies' offense gets so fucking cold, but their starting pitching is insane.

• 2:36:30Speaker 00

  So it'll be fun.

• 2:36:30Speaker 05

  So it'll, yeah.

• 2:36:31Speaker 00

  Be really fun. That'll actually be an incredible week for this podcast.

• 2:36:36Speaker 05

  Like, we would, we would just, every night, we would go to a different game. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

• 2:36:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't know if I can get, I don't know if I can go to all, I picked the, the playoff games over the Monday Night Football game, but yeah. We would probably, yeah. If it's in Philadelphia, we'll go to Monday Night Football. And then, stream the others.

• 2:36:56Speaker 00

  I'm excited for playoff baseball.

• 2:36:57Speaker 06

  And then we got Jets, Bears on that Sunday.

• 2:37:00Speaker 00

  I think the Jets are gonna be good.

• 2:37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, Sunday. I can't wait for Sunday.

• 2:37:05Speaker 06

  Sunday, Sunday.

• 2:37:06Speaker 02

  Can't outwait for Sunday.

• 2:37:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I have the, I, I have.

• 2:37:09Speaker 02

  I'm back, I'm back to being overconfident. My mood swing last, last week has been, uh, 180 degrees flipped around.

• 2:37:16Speaker 00

  Who do the Bucks have week one?

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  Week one, we play.

• 2:37:24Speaker 05

  You gotta know this.

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  You got it, Zach. This is bad preparation. You gotta know week one.

• 2:37:28Speaker 05

  You gotta know.

• 2:37:29Speaker 00

  In week one.

• 2:37:30Speaker 05

  Cincinnati Bengals.

• 2:37:31Speaker 02

  You gotta know. Are we asking where we play?

• 2:37:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, I have the perfect week, the Panthers is the perfect week one game. Gotta win it, but it's like, no pressure.

• 2:37:44Speaker 05

  No, no, no pressure.

• 2:37:45Speaker 00

  Like, the Vikings are playing the Packers.

• 2:37:48Speaker 00

  Alright, numbers. Three.

• 2:37:50Speaker 06

  Five.

• 2:37:50Speaker 02

  One.

• 2:37:51Speaker 05

  Fifteen. Uh.

• 2:37:53Speaker 02

  Ten.

• 2:37:55Speaker 05

  Fifty-five.

• 2:37:56Speaker 02

  Eighty-nine.

• 2:37:57Speaker 06

  Sixty-nine.

• 2:37:58Speaker 05

  Anyone get it while I was gone?

• 2:38:01Speaker 00

  No, means to.

• 2:38:05Speaker 06

  Wait, so it's Eagles, Commanders, three, four?

• 2:38:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:38:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, in the afternoon too.

• 2:38:09Speaker 02

  America's game of the week.

• 2:38:12Speaker 05

  Is it?

• 2:38:13Speaker 02

  Probably. I just said it, I said it, I said it right.

• 2:38:18Speaker 05

  And B.

• 2:38:18Speaker 00

  Twenty-one.

• 2:38:19Speaker 06

  Twenty-one. Anyone, anyone?

• 2:38:22Speaker 02

  Let's do one more.

• 2:38:23Speaker 00

  Three.

• 2:38:23Speaker 06

  Let's see.

• 2:38:23Speaker 05

  Jeff.

• 2:38:25Speaker 00

  Three.

• 2:38:27Speaker 02

  Ten.

• 2:38:51Speaker 05

  What do we got?

• 2:38:51Speaker 00

  Thirteen.

• 2:38:55Speaker 02

  Happy birthday to Mark Andrews. Happy birthday to Matthew Delavadova, the goat. Happy birthday, Kevin Love. Happy birthday to the Gillette Stadium Lighthouse. Fuck, yeah. Asterix. Fuck, yeah. Real lighthouses don't have birthdays. That's a great birthday. Uh, happy birthday to, uh, Jonathan Taylor Thomas and Ohio State University super donor, and all-around giant fan and supporter of the Buckeyes, Les Wexner. Whoa. Love you guys.