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This episode explores the history and legacy of Ziz, a foundational fitness influencer of the 2000s who popularized modern looksmaxing culture and online bodybuilding communities. The host and the guest, Noah K., examine how Ziz and early internet fitness boards combined sincere physical self-improvement with a crude, toxic masculinity that ultimately helped lay the groundwork for modern internet subcultures and political movements. They argue that while early online fitness spaces were less commercialized and more earnest than today's heavily monetized influencer ecosystem, they still contributed to a culture of empathy-mocking selfishness. Ultimately, the conversation analyzes why young men are drawn to these spaces and how the right wing effectively weaponized internet culture for young male audiences.
The hosts open the episode, introduce the sponsor Workday, and set the stage for a deep dive into the origins of the looksmaxing culture.
The hosts introduce Ziz Shavershian, the pioneering internet bodybuilder whose legacy shaped the modern looksmaxing scene.
The hosts recount the story of Greek bodybuilder Kyriakos Kapakulak, dubbed the Bloat Lord, and the emergence of bloat-maxing as a meme.
An overview of the Chad ranking website, PSL ratings, and how Ziz (Zeta) became number one in the early looksmaxing hierarchy.
Discussion of early 2000s fitness forums like PUahate.com, Slut Hate, and Lookism, and how they fostered body dysmorphia and a focus on appearance.
Ziz’s background, his first gym membership funded by a WoW sale, and his early motivations for bodybuilding are explored.
Ziz’s untimely death at 22, the circumstances, and how his legacy influenced subsequent looksmaxers and the broader internet culture.
The hosts analyze the current state of looksmaxing, including the influence of figures like Clavicular, the rise of OnlyFans, and the persistence of hyper‑individualist attitudes.
A reflective discussion on how the looksmaxing movement reflects broader societal shifts, body dysmorphia, and the potential future of online masculinity.
The host discusses starting a yoga and calisthenics routine to improve diet and health, highlighting confusion over online bodybuilding practices.
The hosts analyze the aesthetic of the ideal man, noting its anti‑joy, utilitarian, and stoic qualities, and contrast it with their own more expressive identities.
A discussion of Sam Hyde’s rhetoric, linking it to broader themes of power, suffering, and the rejection of happiness outside of domination.
Origins of the Looksmaxing Worldinsight
The discussion traces the roots of current looksmaxing culture back to message boards like PUahate, Slut Hate, and Lookism in the late 2000s and early 2010s.
The host explains that the PSL rating stands for PUahate, Slut Hate, and Lookism, functioning as an umbrella score for evaluating male facial features.
Ziz sold his World of Warcraft profile for five hundred dollars as a teenager and used the money to purchase his first gym membership.
Troll Culture and Economicsinsight
The host presents a theory that online troll culture and rising numbers of disaffected young men serve as an economic byproduct tied to historical downturns.
The Death of Zizdata
Ziz passed away at the age of twenty-two due to a congenital heart defect while visiting a spa in Thailand.
Pandemic Revival on TikTokdata
Google Trends data shows a massive surge in interest surrounding Ziz during the pandemic, fueled largely by TikTok algorithms rediscovering old internet lore.
Political Capture of Young Menstrategy
The host argues that political groups recognized the shift of young audiences to the internet early on and flooded platforms with targeted content.
“obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated, which kind of goes hard, actually.”
“Personally, I'm a very friendly and happy person and believe that people need to lighten up and enjoy life more.”
“I just think it's so funny.”
“He had just figured out how to monetize this. The internet had sort of just caught up to what he was doing.”
“I, uh, the, the story I always heard was like, he had a heart attack in like the sauna and he died.”
“that don't season their food. Like seasoning has no nutritional value.”
“if you are not always burdened, you are not a man.”
“make an hypothesis here, which is TikTok weirdly, when it was still run by ByteDance”
“once we can sort of let go of the, oh, like the internet, sort of a secondary space.”
Who created the strongman hellscape that we’re currently living in? Today, we’re talking about the original looksmaxxer, Zyzz. He got his start online in 2006 with a popular World of Warcraft streaming account, whose earnings he used to join a gym, because he’d “always been obsessed with bodybuilding.” By 2010, he had amassed a huge following among outrageously jacked guys online. He finally figured out how to make money off this — by hawking supplements and other products — but then he passed away in 2011. However, by then he had laid the blueprint that the chads of the future would all follow. What happens next, is the world we live in now. Noah K of Crimes New Roman joins us to talk about the chads of the past, like Bloat Lord, Derb, and FPS Russia, and how these leading musclemen resulted in the big boys of the present, like Androgenic, Clavicular, and Zeta — and how they’ve managed to create a hell world of body dysmorphia for the nation’s young men. Our guest Noah K can be found on YouTube @CrimesNewRoman and you can also see their shitposts (their words) at https://bsky.app/profile/crimesnewroman.bsky.social. Note: This episode was recorded prior to Clavicular’s rape allegations. Want even more Panic World content? Like ad-free episodes, bonuses & exclusives, and access to our members-only Discord? Sign up for a membership at https://www.patreon.com/PanicWorld. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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