Pod Insights Pablo Torre Finds Out Share & Risk & Tell with Jay Jurden and Katie Nolan About this episode Why were Taylor Swift's wedding guests and celebrity Knicks fans assigned "risk" scores inside Madison Square Garden's secret VIP database? Who was the karaoke MVP at the wedding afterparty? And would you rather test-drive the "most potent weed beverage known to man" ... or Bill Simmons' colonoscopy? Plus: Guy Fieri, Shaboozey, Polyp George, The Mike Vrabel Sliding Scale of Chivalry, The Blandino Tier and fogging the glass of exclusivity.
• Read the follow-up story at WIRED https://www.wired.com/story/madison-square-garden-celebrity-database-surveillance
• Previously on PTFO: We Got Inside Knicks Surveillance — and MSG's Deep State Is Stranger Than You Think https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/NjllMTliNzE1ZTkxZTA3YjFlOTRjOWU1
• Watch Jay Jurden's "Yes Ma'am" https://www.hulu.com/movie/jay-jurden-yes-maam-ba411b28-b68b-4884-91f0-ee8a5c7bed2b
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0:00 Pablo Torre? Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today, we're gonna find out what this sound is.
0:06 Speaker 01 Tobey Maguire is a munch. He's an eater.
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1:20 Speaker 02 How's everybody doing? Sorry that I'm late.
1:22 Pablo Torre? Good.
1:22 Speaker 02 I came straight here. Straight here from a meeting with my agent.
1:27 Pablo Torre? Ooh.
1:28 Speaker 02 Where they gave me a Guy Fieri Waterloo Seltzer.
1:31 Pablo Torre? What?
1:32 Speaker 02 Apple Pie à la Mode flavor.
1:35 Pablo Torre? Oh my god.
1:35 Speaker 02 And I said, I must try that.
1:37 Pablo Torre? Waterloo sparkling water.
1:38 Speaker 02 I've never even considered making an apple pie soda.
1:41 Speaker 01 Great American hero Guy Fieri.
1:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, isn't he? He's good, right?
1:44 Speaker 01 I haven't heard anything from my Food Network connections.
1:48 Speaker 02 Oh, of which you have many, I assume.
1:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, listen.
1:51 Speaker 02 You're all over the place.
1:53 Speaker 01 I could ask Padma. I'd be like, Padma, is Guy Fieri a bad person?
1:55 Speaker 02 Damn, she's cool.
1:57 Pablo Torre? Did Guy Fieri insurrection?
2:00 Speaker 02 It feels low, but I don't mind if it's not. Right, I just don't want to lift it up and have you be like, no, that's too high. What did you Google?
2:07 Pablo Torre? Was Guy Fieri there on January 6th?
2:08 Speaker 02 Ah, and you know what?
2:10 Speaker 01 That would... Talk about some diners driving in and die. At the Capitol, Insurrection Day?
2:18 Speaker 02 Let's see what it's all about, you know?
2:20 Speaker 01 Oh, let's see on air.
2:21 Speaker 02 Smell it!
2:22 Speaker 01 Whoa, is it?
2:24 Pablo Torre? We're finding out what Guy Fieri's...
2:26 Speaker 01 I, listen, I like it more than you.
2:29 Speaker 02 It smells like, I guess it's the cream, the Alamo.
2:31 Pablo Torre? Zero sugar, zero calories.
2:33 Speaker 01 It's cream soda.
2:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, which I don't like.
2:36 Speaker 01 Oh, wow. Apple pie cream soda.
2:38 Speaker 02 I know, and let's see, let's taste it.
2:40 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:43 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
2:44 Speaker 02 Tastes like gum.
2:45 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
2:45 Speaker 02 So you'll hate it.
2:46 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
2:47 Speaker 02 So I know you'll hate it.
2:48 Speaker 01 First we lose to Belgium, now this?
3:08 Pablo Torre? So you brought things to sample, and there are so many things that I was contemplating doing with you guys here today.
3:15 Speaker 02 Ooh, I'm excited.
3:16 Pablo Torre? One of which is, in fact, a drink to sample.
3:18 Speaker 02 Let's go.
3:19 Speaker 01 Wow.
3:20 Speaker 02 I love to have a sip. I love to have a sip with Jay Jurden. Oh, wait, I might be changing my mind.
3:24 Speaker 01 What are we doing?
3:25 Speaker 02 High Rider. Is this weed alcohol? Wait a second.
3:29 Speaker 01 Read it.
3:30 Speaker 02 High Rider Premium THC Spirit.
3:33 Speaker 01 Ooh.
3:34 Speaker 02 Berry infused appears to be the flavor, and then 100mg per serving?
3:40 Speaker 01 Listen, I'm very excited about this, Pablo. Let's go.
3:44 Speaker 02 High dose, zero proof, gluten free.
3:48 Speaker 01 I don't got no shows tonight. Let's do it. Let's do it.
3:51 Speaker 02 I got a dinner I'm supposed to...
3:53 Pablo Torre? 100mg per 2 ounce shot is the math that is presented by the endorser, which led me to bring this to you, who happens to be former pro basketball player, which is how he is introduced on the ad, Greg Oden.
4:07 Speaker 01 Greg Oden?
4:09 Speaker 02 It says first time consuming THC. We suggest starting with one of our other High Rider lower dose products.
4:17 Speaker 01 Absolutely not.
4:19 Pablo Torre? Put the shots on the table.
4:20 Speaker 02 I have bad news. I have very bad news for you.
4:24 Speaker 01 What?
4:24 Speaker 02 I'm off the weed.
4:26 Speaker 01 What?
4:27 Speaker 02 My... Okay, so this is, I'm very actually devastated about this. I'm off the weed till at least Thursday, unless my psychiatrist is watching, in which case, then I'm off the weed forever.
4:37 Speaker 01 That's great.
4:37 Speaker 02 My psychiatrist gave me a drug test to, I assume, make sure I'm taking the medication I get prescribed, because a lot of people don't, and then they resell it.
4:44 Speaker 01 They sell it to me.
4:45 Speaker 02 While doing the drug test, she said, "Ooh, this tested positive for marijuana." And I said, "Whaaat?" And I went, "Uh huh." Assuming, who cares? Uh, I'm high-
4:57 Speaker 01 This is high school.
4:58 Speaker 02 I'm high right now. I'm like, "Of course it did." And she said, "Well, I, you know, that interacts with your medication. I don't feel comfortable prescribing to you if you're..." And I was like, "Well, I've been, this should put your mind at ease. I've been smoking weed since you've known me." So, it shouldn't be an issue. The interaction hasn't occurred. And she said, "I, I wouldn't be able to keep prescribing you your medication if you continue to smoke." So I've been pretending to not smoke weed for the last month, in the hopes it'll get out of my system, so I can test clean, so I can get back to smoking weed. I've been not smoking for a month. I can't blow it for this.
5:35 Pablo Torre? So, just to give the backdrop here, Greg Oden, and this is first brought to us by Awful Announcing's Ben Ku on Twitter.
5:42 Speaker 02 Shut up, Ben Ku.
5:43 Pablo Torre? Greg Oden is a spokesman for most potent weed beverage known to man.
5:47 Speaker 02 Crazy.
5:48 Pablo Torre? It's 100mg per shot. Most weed drinks are 5 to 20mg per can. This is basically the Everclear version of weed drinks just days after a judge in Ohio reinstated their legality. And the producers in the other room are saying, "Hey, Jay."
6:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, I can't wait to watch Jay drink this.
6:02 Pablo Torre? Want to do a shot?
6:03 Speaker 01 The producers are saying, "Hey, Jay, I can do the tiniest baby shot, but I don't need-"
6:08 Pablo Torre? You could taste test it.
6:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, I can taste test it. I don't need 100mg.
6:12 Speaker 02 Nobody does.
6:14 Speaker 01 The people who need one, Doug Benson, Doug, you need Doug Benson here for this. Shout out comedian Doug Benson. He, he, he put a crazy straw in this. He'd go to town. Maybe Nick Swartson.
6:25 Pablo Torre? We're building the Mount Rushmore alongside Greg Oden. So far, it's three faces. It's Greg Oden, Nick Swartson, and Doug Benson.
6:30 Speaker 01 I'm thinking about the people who can handle this.
6:33 Speaker 02 Now, see, Dan might be able to, but Dan famously doesn't drink, so I don't know if a weed drink would cross some sort of a, he probably doesn't-
6:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, because all that time in Colorado, he was just around it, too. He kind of passively absorbed it.
6:46 Pablo Torre? As always, Dan Soder, not Dan Lebatard.
6:48 Speaker 02 Yes, sorry, I should say, because there have been times where I'm like, in bed, I turn to Dan, and people go, "She's sleeping with Dan Lebatard?"
6:56 Pablo Torre? As someone who dosed Levitard with the tiniest weed gummy at my wedding and watched him go on a journey of self-discovery.
7:03 Speaker 02 Wow.
7:03 Pablo Torre? Through our wedding photos, yeah, he would not react the same way.
7:06 Speaker 01 That is, first of all, that, that is hilarious. That is funny. Secondly, I will taste test this.
7:12 Speaker 02 Yes, thank you.
7:13 Speaker 01 I will do the tiniest taste test.
7:15 Pablo Torre? We have shot glasses provided by HiRider.
7:17 Speaker 01 All right.
7:18 Speaker 02 Thanks, guys. Why does it have to be milky, first question?
7:20 Pablo Torre? Yeah, visually, for those who are only listening, it is milky.
7:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, I just wanna say, look, if we're looking at color and viscosity, uh, happy belated pride to me, again.
7:33 Speaker 01 You know?
7:33 Pablo Torre? This is better than the alternative we were gonna do as Jay is getting ready to, to taste test. The alternative was to investigate Bill Simmons's colonoscopy.
7:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, people wanted the footage, I heard.
7:45 Pablo Torre? I mean, he heard about the Jalen Brown trade.
7:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:49 Pablo Torre? While having an actual colonoscopy. The quote there, this is the other alternate way to start the episode, from Bill Simmons, friend of the show, quote, "So when this trade happened at 3:20 Pacific time, I had a camera in my ass."
8:02 Speaker 02 Nice.
8:04 Pablo Torre? And I had Paul George, I had Paul George being rammed up my ass, is the rest of that quote.
8:07 Speaker 02 He did say that, and I was like, where is he going with this?
8:12 Speaker 01 That is not PG-13.
8:13 Speaker 02 No.
8:15 Speaker 01 That's all right.
8:16 Speaker 02 Paul George, I really.
8:17 Pablo Torre? And we did, we did, uh, requests from Bill Simmons.
8:22 Speaker 02 The video of the inside of his asshole, isn't the podcast enough?
8:28 Pablo Torre? Do we have the footage?
8:29 Speaker 02 No, come on.
8:30 Speaker 01 We don't, um, we're, we're saying no? All right.
8:33 Pablo Torre? I'm hearing that's a no?
8:34 Speaker 02 Oh, thank God.
8:35 Speaker 01 Okay, it does smell like berries.
8:38 Speaker 02 It better.
8:39 Speaker 01 It does smell like berries.
8:43 Speaker 02 Now that's 20 milligrams right there.
8:45 Speaker 01 There is a, okay, the first notes, weed.
8:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:49 Speaker 01 The first note is weed, it's weed forward. There's a little bit more weed, and then, children's medicine-y.
8:58 Speaker 02 Oh.
8:59 Speaker 01 It's that berry.
9:00 Speaker 02 Yes.
9:01 Speaker 01 Flavor. It tastes like something you would put in a syrupy cough medicine.
9:06 Speaker 02 Like a Robitussin.
9:07 Pablo Torre? Cleanst tones, vitamins, adjacent.
9:09 Speaker 01 I'm, I, I think you're gonna have to mix this with something. I think you're gonna have to like, put this with like a seltzer or something because, once again.
9:21 Speaker 01 Okay.
9:22 Speaker 02 Oh.
9:23 Speaker 01 Well, no. It's not getting better, but it's not horrible.
9:29 Pablo Torre? And that is something that Greg Oden can cosign completely.
9:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, Greg Oden, I'll say this, is not the worst thing I've put in my mouth over the past couple of months.
9:40 Speaker 02 Nice.
9:41 Speaker 01 It's not the worst.
9:42 Pablo Torre? Put that on the bottle.
9:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:44 Pablo Torre? Let's Photoshop that, put that on the bottle.
9:46 Speaker 01 And I guess I'll get high from this later on.
9:48 Speaker 02 Who's begging to get high from a drink? What's the market for this, for a one-shot to knock you on your ass from weed?
9:58 Pablo Torre? I'm about to go in for my colonoscopy. And I gotta get right.
10:04 Speaker 01 Well, you know, it is probably, you want that third eye. Fully open.
10:07 Speaker 02 Fully open.
10:08 Speaker 01 Dilated, that's what you need. Bill, imagine, no, what if, what if you boof this?
10:15 Speaker 02 And that's when you put it inside of your [BLEEP].
10:17 Speaker 01 That's when you put it in Bill Simmons' [BLEEP].
10:18 Speaker 02 That's right, like Paul George.
10:21 Speaker 01 What if the camera footage is Paul George? A little Paul George dancing around.
10:28 Pablo Torre? A very different product, a very different endorsement.
10:31 Speaker 01 God, that's funny. Oh my, I didn't, so one thing about the, on Twitter, the Jalen Brown trade happened.
10:39 Speaker 02 Why are we doing this?
10:40 Speaker 01 A little bit.
10:40 Pablo Torre? You're wearing Celtic green.
10:42 Speaker 01 A little bit, we can talk about it a little bit, Katie, we can't just talk about this weed [BLEEP] all the time.
10:48 Speaker 01 On Twitter, a lot of people were being like, he's being traded because he's too revolutionary. I was like, well, okay, he's, he likes to Twitch stream. He's not really like seizing the means of production. He's not going, that's what I'm saying, he's not like going to.
11:02 Pablo Torre? Well, he is seizing the means of producing his own live stream.
11:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, sports content.
11:06 Speaker 01 He's not going to like the, the NBA Players Association and be like, we gotta do this kind of stuff. He's not like actually, I don't think he was being that crazy. I just think that like sometimes, especially with the way media and sports intersect right now, is that if you say anything, everything that happens to you after that, we do get to say, that's why they did it. We can say, oh, that's what happened. And it might not have been the case.
11:29 Pablo Torre? I think that one fundamental issue with Jalen Brown was the Celtics had this decision when they were like. All right, so we're gonna end up disagreeing with how much this guy thinks he is worth over time.
11:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:40 Pablo Torre? And so is this gonna get harder or easier? And they decided, let's give Katie Nolan a bunch of fun draft picks and Paul George.
11:48 Speaker 02 A bunch of fun draft picks? It's like two, four picks, and they're not soon.
11:52 Speaker 01 Wait, Katie mentions the trade? Is that what the official?
11:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, I actually got traded. I got traded away. No.
11:58 Pablo Torre? Oh, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, we do have the colonoscopy video.
12:01 Speaker 02 No, you don't.
12:02 Pablo Torre? Let's roll it.
12:04 Speaker 02 What is this about to be? If it's the [BLEEP] from the bathtub, I swear to [BLEEP] God. Oh, my God!
12:09 Speaker 03 So we're pulling the colonoscope back through a normal, healthy colon that's very well-prepped, and you see this bump that's...
12:15 Speaker 01 Oh, my Lord. That polyp looks like Adam Silver's head.
12:20 Speaker 02 Polyp George? Is there anything there?
12:23 Speaker 01 Polyp George?
12:24 Pablo Torre? I think there's more there than anybody was expecting.
12:27 Speaker 01 Wow.
12:28 Speaker 02 Oh, they're gonna take that out. They're gonna take that out, send it to Boston.
12:31 Speaker 03 With more detail.
12:33 Speaker 02 Oh, my God, what is this, Pablo? What are you showing us?
12:35 Speaker 01 Is that?
12:36 Speaker 02 What snuff film is this?
12:37 Pablo Torre? I feel like we gotta blur this in post.
12:40 Speaker 01 I don't know. This is, I mean...
12:44 Speaker 02 This is not something I needed today. They're drying it nicely with that little pipette, though. It's doing a good job.
12:52 Speaker 03 Surrounding the bottom piece of that polyp. We're gonna now close that snare, and the patient feels nothing of this as this is being done.
13:02 Speaker 02 Whoa, whoa!
13:03 Speaker 01 Are we seeing the polyp removal in real time?
13:05 Speaker 02 Yes, we are. Yes, we are. Pablo, is this from your dad? Where'd you get this?
13:09 Pablo Torre? This is from the American College of Gastroenterology.
13:12 Speaker 02 That was like you guys showed us a pimple about to be popped, but not popped. If we were gonna see the lance around the thing, I'd like to see the actual removal of the polyp.
13:22 Speaker 01 I mean, here's the thing. I thought the most graphic thing in the day would be the [BLEEP] weed drink. I really did.
13:27 Pablo Torre? We haven't even hit our first break yet.
13:28 Speaker 01 And we went straight down in there.
13:33 Pablo Torre? So I should say for the record-
13:34 Speaker 02 Why aren't you drinking any of it?
13:36 Pablo Torre? I am doing journalism.
13:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, I tasted it and it hasn't, nothing's-
13:42 Pablo Torre? I should say that Bill Simmons said, quote, "I think that violates some sort of HIPAA rule," end quote, when I asked for his colonoscopy video.
13:52 Speaker 02 Actually, technically it does not because he's not a doctor. So if Bill Simmons wanted to send you his colonoscopy video, that wouldn't violate HIPAA at all.
14:01 Speaker 01 That would be a different kind of violation.
14:02 Speaker 02 Let him know. You can tell him I said that.
14:03 Pablo Torre? Katie Neill.
14:04 Speaker 02 And tell him I didn't fall for it when he said he was at Taylor Swift's wedding. I saw everybody last night going, "Bill Simmons still got it. He convinced us he was at Taylor Swift." No, he didn't. It was so obvious he was lying. What are we doing, everybody? Reading comprehension?
14:17 Speaker 01 I saw someone last night who was at the wedding, I think. Nikki. Nikki Glaser.
14:22 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, she was.
14:23 Speaker 01 She was doing some time at the stand and I walked in and she was onstage in the upstairs room because she was running to a different set. But as for her, she looked great, very funny stuff. She looked very normal. She didn't talk about it.
14:34 Pablo Torre? So I have also, I've been, I've been doing some, some, some reporting.
14:38 Speaker 02 Are you finding out?
14:39 Pablo Torre? I'm trying to find out.
14:40 Speaker 01 Who was there?
14:41 Speaker 02 That guest list is crazy.
14:42 Pablo Torre? What it was like. My favorite, who's your favorite person on the guest list?
14:45 Speaker 02 Oh, I don't know.
14:46 Pablo Torre? I have one and I think it's shared by others.
14:48 Speaker 02 Who?
14:49 Pablo Torre? Dean Blandino.
14:50 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, okay. I brought him up because I was like, who the [bleep]? Do you know who Dean Blandino is?
14:54 Pablo Torre? Fox NFL rules expert, former ref.
14:58 Speaker 02 Fox NFL rules and used to be the head ref for the NFL, also dipped his toe in stand-up comedy.
15:03 Speaker 01 This is-
15:03 Pablo Torre? He did?
15:04 Speaker 02 Yes, he did.
15:05 Speaker 01 This is funny.
15:06 Pablo Torre? Has a, has a tight five?
15:07 Speaker 01 But former, former.
15:08 Speaker 02 He may have.
15:09 Speaker 01 Not associated with the league anymore.
15:11 Pablo Torre? He's now a former ref.
15:12 Speaker 02 If he were still current, would it be allowed? I don't know why not.
15:16 Pablo Torre? That's a great sketch.
15:17 Speaker 01 Can refs go to weddings?
15:19 Speaker 02 I don't know. It'd be weird to invite one, certainly.
15:23 Speaker 01 Because then you're kind of like, hey, man.
15:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:25 Speaker 01 Hey, I brought you my wedding.
15:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:26 Speaker 01 The minute they're mic'd up, hey, man, I brought you my wedding.
15:29 Speaker 02 It shows how bad I am with conflicts of interest now in sports where I just go like, well, everybody can do everything. I don't see why that'd be a problem.
15:37 Speaker 01 You can't.
15:37 Speaker 02 I don't see the issue, Jay.
15:39 Speaker 01 You can't bring a ref to a wedding.
15:40 Pablo Torre? Like Sean Hockley was at Taylor's wedding.
15:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:43 Pablo Torre? That is a massive.
15:44 Speaker 02 That would actually make a lot. It's kind of like inviting the entire hosts of Good Morning America to your wedding. It's like, why would you do that if not to have them discuss your wedding?
15:53 Speaker 01 And I mean, what they they closed off all of the garden except for all of the pictures that we saw on the inside. So who was leaking the stuff?
16:02 Speaker 02 But then I also feel like it's AI. Like, I don't know if anything is real or not.
16:07 Speaker 01 There's bad stuff, but then there is some stuff that's real.
16:09 Speaker 02 I think so.
16:10 Pablo Torre? What is real, according to my ongoing reporting, is that this thing went to like 5 a.m.
16:17 Speaker 02 Whoa.
16:18 Pablo Torre? And there was karaoke.
16:20 Speaker 01 Okay.
16:20 Speaker 02 In that room is crazy. Because if you get up there and you're not a singer and in front of all those people to sing.
16:26 Pablo Torre? And I was asking like, so who's who was who was like the karaoke MVP?
16:29 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
16:30 Pablo Torre? And the response was, besides Taylor?
16:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, of course, of course, as you should. Respect for the bride.
16:35 Pablo Torre? Apparently Fergie was awesome at karaoke.
16:37 Speaker 02 I don't believe that.
16:38 Speaker 01 I believe that. Wild Orchid, Fergie, back in the day, not All-Star Fergie. If Fergie, if she was in her right mind and it wasn't the Star Spangled Banner, I think she probably crushed it. If she wasn't doing flips. She has that amazing video of her doing flips when she's singing.
17:03 Speaker 02 Isn't that Pink's thing, though?
17:05 Speaker 01 Yep. And now she gets to host the Tonys.
17:07 Pablo Torre? Katie, did you, when you were observing how Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce did their wedding, were you inspired?
17:14 Speaker 02 To plan my own? No.
17:16 Pablo Torre? To invite a thousand people?
17:17 Speaker 02 It's apparently.
17:18 Pablo Torre? To invite entire morning show hosting crews?
17:20 Speaker 02 Apparently, it is the easiest part is to get that guest list up. It runs away from you very quickly.
17:24 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
17:25 Speaker 02 And so I had certainly thought about like, okay, when Dan and I get married, like, where do we cut it off? A lot of Dan's closest friends are incredibly famous people. Same kind of, I guess. I've got some famous friends, although not famous enough to get us into a party at Cannes.
17:39 Pablo Torre? No. Katie and I were in France and we're fogging the glass of exclusivity.
17:45 Speaker 02 We were trying to get in to watch the France match. Nobody was showing it. And then they were like, we can't let people like you in.
17:51 Speaker 01 Whoa.
17:53 Speaker 02 I don't know what that means. He has a Pulitzer. And so, um, yeah, it made me nervous about our guest list. And I was like, maybe we should start. Writing it down and seeing who we would invite and who we wouldn't.
18:04 Pablo Torre? And then leaking strategically.
18:05 Speaker 01 Because it's that, it's that like, that first circle, second circle, that third tier is when it starts to get.
18:13 Speaker 02 Right.
18:13 Pablo Torre? They call it the blandino tier.
18:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, I've seen blandino not getting the invite to our nuptials, I'll tell you right now.
18:18 Speaker 01 Was the Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey wedding tiered? Were there people who got, there are people who had great seats and people who had okay seats, right?
18:26 Pablo Torre? Where was Mike Vrabel?
18:27 Speaker 01 That's what I'm asking.
18:28 Speaker 02 Did you see, did you see the video of him getting in the car with his wife?
18:31 Speaker 01 No.
18:32 Speaker 02 If you're PR for that situation, you would be going, okay, so you and your wife are gonna be at Taylor Swift's wedding. There's gonna, people will be taking videos or whatever. Just make sure you show a lot of, what's the chivalry, you're very chivalrous.
18:42 Speaker 01 Oh, look at my wife who I love.
18:44 Pablo Torre? Throw your jacket on the ground.
18:46 Speaker 02 Totally, but instead it's a video of just him walking, opening the door of the car and getting in. And then her trailing behind him.
18:54 Speaker 01 Okay, that entire saga, there were, so, once again, online, because I know so many gay people who also like football, some of them were like, hey man, hey, hey, just let people cook a little bit. And then some people were like disgusted to a degree where I was like, well, okay, you can be mad and you can voice your opinion. But now I'm starting to think you've been wronged and that's why this is so upsetting to you. It's very public and very messy, but like, at this point, if you go to a wedding, you're gonna have to put on the best front.
19:27 Pablo Torre? Yeah, the take that I had is I've been, in this very specific car-related circumstance, Mike Vrabel. I have gotten into the car first because my wife.
19:37 Speaker 01 Pablo, clarify.
19:38 Speaker 02 You cheated on your wife, that's crazy.
19:40 Speaker 01 No, no, no.
19:40 Speaker 02 I have cheated on my wife with a reporter.
19:44 Speaker 01 We have all been there.
19:45 Speaker 02 Allegedly, I should say.
19:46 Pablo Torre? I got to get into the car first because my wife's gonna climb over a seat in a dress.
19:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, yeah, totally. Here's the thing, had you and your wife just very publicly gone through something? No, and so you would think, at least fake it, overly fake it. Meanwhile, Diana's getting hounded on whatever cruise ship she's on. Everyone's just taking pictures of her and her children and sending them to TMZ. And Vrabel's like, I'm not gonna hold the door for my wife?
20:16 Speaker 01 TMZ really turned everyone into a rogue photojournalist.
20:19 Speaker 02 Ugh, yuck.
20:20 Speaker 01 Which I think-
20:21 Pablo Torre? Why'd you go on a cruise?
20:23 Speaker 01 People got mad.
20:24 Speaker 02 She probably can't leave her house.
20:27 Speaker 01 Still?
20:29 Speaker 02 People online, it's like, here's the thing. The way the internet has become so segmented now, it's like, you can be served the stuff that makes you mad. I know I personally actively go, "I'm going down a road that's gonna affect my algorithm. Let me pull back. I'm clearly being served this because they want me activated and angry." But there are people who are not doing that work. And so they're being served this stuff that makes them angry. And because they never refuse it, they just double down on it. So there are communities online that really think that when the NFL season starts back up, like, all of the things Diana has, they wanted her vote taken away for the NFL awards. There are communities that are fully still every day-
21:12 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah.
21:12 Speaker 02 Posting about this drama.
21:14 Pablo Torre? What?
21:14 Speaker 02 Like, "When is the NFL gonna take action?" And it's, they're not rooted in reality, but those are actual people that are alive that are still this invested in this drama.
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21:27 Speaker 02 Yes.
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24:14 Pablo Torre? How are you feeling, by the way? Anything with this?
24:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:16 Speaker 01 No.
24:17 Speaker 02 What if you did a little bit more?
24:19 Speaker 01 I can't drink anymore of the weed and I'm gonna keep calling it that.
24:23 Speaker 02 Come on. It is that.
24:26 Speaker 01 It's crazy.
24:27 Speaker 02 It's crazy. It's crazy I'd be doing it with you. I genuinely, I feel bad. I would be doing it with you, I just...
24:33 Speaker 01 No, no, no.
24:33 Speaker 02 That bitch doctor. Don't let me have any fun. At one point, she goes, "Why are you smoking weed?" And I just looked at her and I said, "Because?"
24:44 Speaker 01 Because!
24:45 Speaker 02 What do you mean, "why"? You gotta have a reason?
24:47 Speaker 01 Oh my god, sometimes I wanna watch Invincible.
24:49 Speaker 02 Why am I smoking weed? So I can relax at the end of the day?
24:52 Pablo Torre? And then you also did the Elphaba run in response.
24:57 Speaker 01 And you get super high.
25:00 Speaker 01 She's wearing green, folks. That was perfect.
25:02 Speaker 02 Ugh, thank you. It was also falsetto, I cheated.
25:05 Pablo Torre? I suppose that I should acknowledge that part of the through line in all of this is that we are living in something of a surveillance state.
25:12 Speaker 01 Yes.
25:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:13 Pablo Torre? We're always being watched. And as we discuss Madison Square Garden and this wedding and watching who's going in and who's going out, I do wanna point out that what I have been reviewing here, without your knowledge, is an exclusive first look at a new story that is publishing on the same day as this episode over at wired.com. Because we collaborated here at Palatory Finds Out on an investigation into the deep state of surveillance at Madison Square Garden.
25:38 Speaker 01 Oh, yes. Yes, I've heard about this.
25:41 Pablo Torre? Co-written by Noah Schachman, the story does detail that there was a trans person at the center of at least one chapter of that story. And so this follow-up reveals the existence of a database. And this database is part of a much larger trove of documents published last month by a hacker collective. So I'm not cosigning the hacking or the hacker collective, but they're known as Shiny Hunters. 404 Media was the first to break the news on that hack. And the VIP list that has been released, I do wanna share with you guys. And I should also, for legal reasons, read from Wired's new article, quote, A class action lawsuit claims that this spill of private data was a byproduct of Dolan's growing surveillance state.
26:24 Pablo Torre? A representative for The Guardian did not respond to a request to comment, end quote.
26:28 Speaker 02 Hmm.
26:29 Pablo Torre? And we hear Palpatine finds out, reached out to MSG for a previous episode, aforementioned with Wired, and they gave a statement that the magazine's reporting was, quote, "built on false, misleading, unverified allegations, including claims drawn from lawsuits filed by rapacious litigators," end quote.
26:43 Speaker 02 Rapacious.
26:45 Pablo Torre? Rapacious.
26:45 Speaker 02 Hmm.
26:46 Pablo Torre? But what we have here today, as we go deep into this reporting, is new insight about the extent to which MSG has labeled its, frankly, loyal celebrity fans.
26:57 Speaker 01 Whoa.
26:58 Pablo Torre? With a risk score.
27:00 Speaker 01 Whoa.
27:01 Pablo Torre? And reportedly why. We are now presenting this level of detail about the 39,540 or so entries in the so-called talent database.
27:14 Speaker 01 39,000?
27:15 Pablo Torre? Which tracks bold-faced names in business, technology, politics, media, and sports, along with their guests.
27:20 Speaker 02 Wait, so none of us made it, because they didn't reach out to me for comment?
27:23 Speaker 01 Charles Oakley, is he just on a piece of paper by itself that says, "No"?
27:29 Pablo Torre? What they have here in this system is about 400 celebrities assigned a risk score. And if you're wondering, what is the scale like?
27:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:39 Pablo Torre? Well, the first, and we'll start in...
27:42 Speaker 02 Least risky.
27:43 Pablo Torre? Exactly right. It's called just FLAG, you're flagged.
27:47 Speaker 01 Okay.
27:48 Pablo Torre? Least serious. It's an indication to discuss the VIP with a supervisor. And then you go up one level, and you get to actually a tier on which five of the publicly identified attendees at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's MSG wedding were marked. This is low risk.
28:05 Speaker 02 Ooh, ooh, ooh, I want to guess them.
28:06 Speaker 01 Okay, so these are people who, they're in the MSG system, but they were also invited to the wedding by Taylor or by MSG?
28:14 Pablo Torre? Well, they were, I believe, invited by the happy couple.
28:18 Speaker 01 Okay.
28:19 Pablo Torre? But they...
28:20 Speaker 02 And congrats to them, by the way.
28:21 Pablo Torre? And he should not bury the lead.
28:22 Speaker 01 I'm so, I'm so happy that they finally get to [BLEEP]. That's beautiful.
28:26 Speaker 02 Finally, yeah.
28:27 Speaker 01 That's wonderful.
28:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:29 Speaker 01 People don't wait no more.
28:30 Speaker 02 Her music, she comes out, her music is completely different now that she's finally...
28:32 Speaker 01 Taylor Swift sounds like The Weeknd now.
28:39 Speaker 01 That's what everyone said, with the fate of Ophelia. Everyone was like, "Oh, you don't get it. He's really [BLEEP] her." Now, we can get, Taylor, if you're listening, I know she listens. You know, if you want to win me back, make some nasty ass music.
28:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:53 Speaker 01 Make some city girl music, Taylor Swift. Make some [BLEEP] strip club music. That's what I want.
28:58 Pablo Torre? Make some polyp excising.
29:00 Speaker 02 Yes, totally.
29:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, some in the butt music.
29:04 Speaker 02 Okay, so five guests that were invited are the second tier of risk.
29:09 Pablo Torre? So who has been marked as low risk among the approximately 1,000 reported attendees at this wedding? Ice Spice.
29:17 Speaker 01 Okay. New York, I get, I love that. Good for her. Well, she, because she's been kissing Tobey Maguire. You see that?
29:23 Speaker 02 What the [BLEEP] is that about?
29:25 Speaker 01 She was kissing Tobey Maguire.
29:26 Speaker 02 What the [BLEEP]? Yes.
29:27 Speaker 01 Allegedly.
29:28 Speaker 02 She, they say.
29:29 Speaker 01 I'm learning from Pablo.
29:30 Speaker 02 Her, her rep says they were sharing a vape.
29:33 Speaker 01 Oh, I like that.
29:35 Speaker 02 But that is not what that looked like to me.
29:36 Speaker 01 Also, Tobey Maguire, you vaping at 50? Toby.
29:40 Speaker 02 He's doing a lot at 50.
29:40 Speaker 01 Toby. Tobey Maguire with Ice Spice. That's like a super New York thing to do, is to kiss Ice Spice. Yeah.
29:49 Pablo Torre? Can you imagine kissing Ice Spice while you're upside down?
29:52 Speaker 01 See?
29:52 Speaker 02 That's what I'm saying. They should have done that.
29:53 Speaker 01 They should.
29:54 Speaker 02 If you're gonna kiss Spider-Man, at least come out of him.
29:55 Speaker 01 At the white party? That's what's up. Man, good for her.
29:58 Speaker 02 Can you imagine that sentence five years ago of like just Ice Spice and Tobey Maguire kissed at Michael Rubin's white party?
30:05 Speaker 01 Even crazier. Imagine, knowing this sentence, Tobey Maguire is a munch. He's an eater.
30:12 Pablo Torre? Allegedly?
30:13 Speaker 01 Allegedly. Organic vaping. It's all over the place.
30:17 Speaker 02 Okay, so Ice Spice is low risk. And when we say low risk, again, it's kind of a misnomer because it is the second level
30:23 Pablo Torre? That's right.
30:24 Speaker 02 of risk in the system.
30:26 Speaker 01 Ice Spice was at the wedding. Okay.
30:28 Pablo Torre? Selena Gomez.
30:30 Speaker 01 Okay, yeah. Yes, yes.
30:32 Speaker 02 Why is she risky?
30:33 Speaker 01 Well, I, we don't know.
30:34 Speaker 02 She's brand safe as hell.
30:36 Speaker 01 No, I know what it is with Selena. Because if Selena comes, then Benny Blanco's gonna come. And then they're gonna have to blur that. Because you don't want to put that in front of the kids. Don't nobody need to see all that all the time.
30:45 Speaker 02 True.
30:46 Pablo Torre? Benson Boone.
30:48 Speaker 02 Benson Boone.
30:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:49 Pablo Torre? Speaking of guys who flip.
30:50 Speaker 01 Yes, yes. Once again, a risk. We don't know.
30:54 Speaker 02 He tumbles for ya.
30:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:56 Pablo Torre? I should clarify that what we do know about the list as a concept is that this is what Wired Magazine says, according to a source with knowledge of the matter. They say that Garden Security has performed a social media sweep for prominent people looking for complimentary tickets to games.
31:14 Speaker 01 Free ticks.
31:15 Pablo Torre? If you're a celebrity and you're marked with a risk score, even as a low risk, it means, quote, "You've done something in the publicity world, the social media world, that has caught the attention of the wrong people," end quote. And so this talent database has entries dating back to December of 2020 and includes updates as recent as early June of this year.
31:34 Speaker 01 Whoa.
31:35 Speaker 02 I hate that they do that.
31:36 Pablo Torre? So prominent people are looking for complimentary tickets and they do a full social media colonoscopy.
31:42 Speaker 01 But they're so fa- they're so famous that is the sweep just like their music?
31:47 Speaker 02 Right.
31:47 Speaker 01 And their movies?
31:49 Pablo Torre? We cannot speak to their judgments.
31:51 Speaker 02 What did Benson Boone tweet back in the day? That his old tweets are coming back up?
31:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, I feel like-
31:57 Pablo Torre? Or what Instagram posts caught the eyes of
31:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, I guess.
32:00 Pablo Torre? Jim Dolan's security force.
32:01 Speaker 02 This is crazy. Who else?
32:04 Pablo Torre? Michael Strahan.
32:05 Speaker 02 Flagged.
32:06 Speaker 01 Whoa, alright.
32:06 Speaker 02 Flagged for what?
32:08 Pablo Torre? And the fifth member of the Swift Kelsey Five.
32:14 Pablo Torre? Actor Mariska Hargitay.
32:17 Speaker 02 Wait.
32:17 Speaker 01 Whoa.
32:18 Speaker 02 That doesn't make any sense.
32:19 Speaker 01 Knicks royalty, Mariska Hargitay?
32:22 Speaker 02 Now, here's my, here's where I would agree with James Dolan.
32:26 Speaker 01 Okay.
32:27 Speaker 02 Would be if they flagged her because she spent a lot of time like with the Lakers and I would be annoyed by that if it were my team and you were coming in here being a Knicks fan and you were like just five days ago rooting for the Lakers.
32:42 Pablo Torre? Well, one of the things that you learn as you go through this list is that a lot of the super fans from like the parade.
32:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:48 Pablo Torre? They got tagged as low risk, the second highest of the rankings. So for instance, Edie Falco. Also on there.
32:55 Speaker 01 Okay.
32:55 Speaker 02 What?
32:56 Pablo Torre? Tracy Morgan, also on there.
32:58 Speaker 01 Well, that's because every time Tracy Morgan talks, he threatens to [BLEEP] in somebody. He always like, you know, I don't pull out. Like every Tracy Morgan interview, he's talking to everyone.
33:06 Pablo Torre? He did threaten to impregnate the Statue of Liberty.
33:08 Speaker 01 Exactly. Because he's old school. He don't pull out. Katie, I don't know if you know this.
33:12 Pablo Torre? Allegedly.
33:13 Speaker 01 He's old school.
33:13 Speaker 02 I didn't know he doesn't pull out.
33:16 Pablo Torre? Even Ben Stiller.
33:17 Speaker 01 Okay.
33:18 Pablo Torre? Got flagged.
33:19 Speaker 01 So everyone has some form of risk, I would assume then. Who's spotless? Who has no risk?
33:26 Speaker 02 No Timothy Chilamie?
33:27 Speaker 01 Did he not go to the wedding?
33:28 Speaker 02 I don't think he went to the wedding.
33:29 Pablo Torre? Let's go to medium risk.
33:31 Speaker 02 Okay. Oh, oh, we get, I didn't know.
33:33 Pablo Torre? We're going up.
33:33 Speaker 02 Nice.
33:34 Speaker 01 I like this.
33:35 Speaker 02 Me too.
33:35 Speaker 01 This is a fun game.
33:37 Speaker 02 What if you took another tiny sip?
33:38 Speaker 01 There's some left in here.
33:39 Pablo Torre? Being legally advised by the producers behind the glass to say, don't do that, Jay.
33:44 Speaker 02 Oh, don't take another little sip?
33:45 Pablo Torre? Okay.
33:47 Speaker 01 Well, you know.
33:47 Speaker 02 He did, though.
33:48 Speaker 01 Hey, it still tastes like weed.
33:49 Speaker 02 Nice.
33:50 Pablo Torre? Medium risk, the actor Lily Allen.
33:54 Speaker 01 Whoa, okay.
33:56 Pablo Torre? And her ex, David Harbour.
33:57 Speaker 02 Actor? We're doing actor?
33:59 Pablo Torre? We're going actor.
33:59 Speaker 02 He's a singer. Yeah.
34:01 Speaker 01 Actress.
34:02 Speaker 02 Do you not know who Lily Allen is?
34:03 Pablo Torre? Uh, I believe she's an English singer-songwriter and actress.
34:06 Speaker 02 Oh, okay, fair. I mean, what was she in? Probably like, what was the?
34:09 Speaker 01 That husband, that husband, he's high risk.
34:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:12 Speaker 01 That husband?
34:12 Pablo Torre? Well, they have a history of crazy. He's a medium risk character.
34:16 Speaker 01 He was a high risk to her.
34:17 Speaker 02 That's crazy. If he's high, if he's, if she's medium risk, he's high risk.
34:20 Speaker 01 He was, because you get David Harbour in the image, he gonna try [BLEEP] everybody.
34:24 Speaker 02 Hmm.
34:25 Pablo Torre? Allegedly. Morgan Wallen.
34:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's high risk to me. That's high risk. Don't invite him in. I can't believe how many people are just loudly like, I love Morgan Wallen. I thought we were, I thought we shamed that out of society.
34:36 Speaker 01 You put a microphone in front of Morgan Wallen, he's saying some stuff. You put a chair on the balcony in front of Morgan Wallen, he's throwing some stuff. Let's, that's, he's.
34:44 Speaker 02 Medium risk.
34:45 Speaker 01 Higher risk for Morgan Wallen.
34:47 Speaker 02 And that's a hot pink center is medium risk?
34:53 Speaker 02 That's crazy to me, Morgan Wallen.
34:56 Pablo Torre? Conde Nast Chief Content Officer, Anna Wintor.
34:59 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
35:00 Speaker 02 Medium risk.
35:01 Speaker 01 That's crazy. Imagine being like, Anna Wintor and Morgan Wallen are the same risk.
35:07 Pablo Torre? Now, here's the craziest one to me.
35:09 Speaker 02 Hmm.
35:10 Pablo Torre? Is, I think this is, this is, this is shocking.
35:16 Pablo Torre? Fat Joe.
35:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:17 Speaker 02 Hmm.
35:18 Pablo Torre? Shocking, let me explain. Shocking because he could not have been more complimentary of James Dolan during this whole Knicks championship run. I believe he compared James Dolan to Batman.
35:27 Speaker 02 Don't do that.
35:28 Pablo Torre? He was so, so effusive about how awesome Jim Dolan has been to him. And what, apparently, according to Wired's reporting, apparently, the reason why Fat Joe was flagged is because of his connection of one of my favorite people in both the world of music and in podcasting, Jadakiss.
35:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:50 Speaker 02 Mmm.
35:50 Pablo Torre? Who had been critical of Dolan in the past.
35:53 Speaker 01 Oh, so being critical of James Dolan can get you higher up on this list?
35:56 Pablo Torre? Absolutely.
35:57 Speaker 01 Okay, that's what it is. It's not actual connections to crimes or anything.
36:01 Pablo Torre? This is entirely, apparently, yes, a scan of what you've said in the past and your posts, one quote that is relevant to our understanding is, quote, "It seems like he's always happier," he being James Dolan, "always happier when the team sucks." That's what Jadakiss said back in 2020.
36:19 Speaker 01 So us doing this is already putting us, we're never gonna get.
36:24 Speaker 02 This is how you know I've never requested. I'm either not considered a celebrity or I've never asked for free tickets from MSG because I'm at the top of the list of this.
36:32 Speaker 01 We're never getting free tickets after we keep talking about.
36:34 Speaker 02 I've never said a nice thing about him in my life. I couldn't find a nice thing to say.
36:38 Speaker 01 James Dolan, you wanna do a shot of High Rider together?
36:42 Pablo Torre? I will say that Jay Jurden is wearing a Knicks cap.
36:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
36:46 Pablo Torre? And as our own scan of Jay's social media accounts has indicated.
36:51 Speaker 01 Very pro-Nicks.
36:52 Pablo Torre? You did write recently.
36:54 Speaker 01 Yes.
36:54 Pablo Torre? Quote, "Knicks won, exclamation point, show ya dicks, son."
36:59 Speaker 01 Yes, please, happy pride.
37:02 Speaker 02 Happy pride.
37:02 Speaker 01 That's why I said it.
37:03 Pablo Torre? You also wrote, in all caps, "F*** James Dolan."
37:06 Speaker 01 I did write that. That did happen.
37:09 Speaker 02 Oh, oops, I forgot.
37:11 Speaker 01 Probably in the, in the, "Hey, man, you looking so handsome" sense. I'm trying to f*** James Dolan.
37:17 Speaker 02 This is sad what you're doing.
37:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:19 Speaker 02 I don't like what you're doing.
37:20 Speaker 01 Terrible of me to put that, what was that, on Twitter or something?
37:24 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
37:24 Speaker 01 All caps, you say.
37:25 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
37:26 Speaker 01 All caps. Do we have the screenshot of the tweet? Because I feel like that could be AI. Have we talked about this?
37:32 Pablo Torre? You said it shortly after James Dolan's White House visit announcement.
37:37 Speaker 01 Oh, okay. Yeah, I meant to.
37:39 Pablo Torre? You also said, quote, "I think it's beautiful that everyone in New York City loves the Knicks almost as much as they hate James Dolan."
37:45 Speaker 01 I did say that. That did some numbers. That did well, I think.
37:48 Speaker 02 And don't blame him. Blame...
37:50 Speaker 01 Blame Barry.
37:50 Speaker 02 Blame the highlighter, premium THC spirit.
37:54 Speaker 01 It wasn't me. It was the Greg Oden juice.
37:58 Speaker 02 Blame it on the ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, highlighter.
38:02 Speaker 01 Pablo goes, "He said, 'Bleep James Dolan.'" Well, sure. Sure.
38:07 Pablo Torre? Jay, why did you tweet, quote, "Shaboozie Nigerian ass and said [BLEEP] about ICE?" Three question marks.
38:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's true, though.
38:16 Speaker 02 Questions that need to be asked.
38:17 Speaker 01 That's true.
38:19 Speaker 02 You could have asked him that in person for that brand or whatever.
38:22 Speaker 01 So, I mean, I've just... I've started to realize that my power on Twitter... Say, what's making you laugh so much, Pablo? What did you find? What did I say?
38:34 Pablo Torre? There are people still playing that goddamn Shaboozie song in Texas. "I'm gonna scream upside down smiley face."
38:40 Speaker 02 This song is what? What is that song?
38:43 Speaker 01 Three years old?
38:44 Speaker 02 What is it?
38:44 Speaker 01 Oh, Tipsy.
38:45 Speaker 02 Oh.
38:46 Speaker 01 So it's...
38:46 Speaker 02 Which was already a song.
38:48 Speaker 01 He deep fried Jaquan's song. So he deep fried it and put some Nashville hot chicken seasoning on it. And then he wanted to pretend like it was his own song. As much as I love interpolation in covers, it's the same song.
39:04 Speaker 02 I agree. I think a lot of people do this now. Yeah.
39:06 Speaker 01 For people to do that? That's what I'm saying. Amen.
39:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, I agree.
39:11 Speaker 01 But, you know, shout out James Dolan.
39:13 Pablo Torre? "I could never respect Shaboozie. The man only got famous from a country fried version of a Jaquan song."
39:17 Speaker 01 Thank you. Who said that?
39:19 Speaker 02 Is he wrong is the question. Like, was that wrong? No.
39:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:23 Speaker 02 Controversial, maybe, but wrong. No.
39:26 Pablo Torre? You also have a paragraph you wrote after Shaboozie got the People Magazine Hot Guy Summer Issue.
39:32 Speaker 01 What did I say? What did I say?
39:34 Pablo Torre? "This is one of the worst covers I've ever seen in my entire life. It looks so ridiculously photoshopped to the point that it would be funny if it was intentional. Also, Shaboozie, you have to get your team to approve final images. This makes you look bad. Period."
39:45 Speaker 01 It does.
39:45 Pablo Torre? Just a series of, like, actual...
39:47 Speaker 02 That's good advice, actually. Get your team to approve the final...
39:50 Speaker 01 Look at the image. The image is probably bad.
39:51 Speaker 02 Get the select.
39:52 Speaker 01 Show Katie the image.
39:56 Speaker 02 He looks like he's farting.
39:57 Speaker 01 That's what, it's bad.
39:58 Speaker 02 His, his eyes are like half closed on it.
40:01 Speaker 01 They send you final edits of things. You go, do the one where I have my eyes open. Do the one where it doesn't, it probably.
40:10 Pablo Torre? He's doing, I'm a little teapot. Can they team up and get Shaboozie the Foolzy out of here, please?
40:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, Shaboozie the Foolzy.
40:18 Pablo Torre? Just, just, uh.
40:19 Speaker 01 I said it.
40:20 Pablo Torre? Returning us to.
40:22 Speaker 02 The high risk? Yeah, yeah.
40:23 Pablo Torre? High risk. We have three names. You will maybe notice that there is a shared commonality in the three names they have available to share with you. They are Freddie Gibbs.
40:34 Speaker 01 Okay.
40:34 Pablo Torre? DaBaby and A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie.
40:38 Speaker 01 Okay.
40:38 Speaker 02 I love when you say that.
40:39 Pablo Torre? Could not sound less comfortable.
40:41 Speaker 01 Well, now I'm seeing only rappers.
40:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:44 Speaker 01 I'm hearing the names of only black adult men who happen to be rappers.
40:48 Speaker 02 Hmm.
40:49 Speaker 01 Whatever the case may be, I don't, Freddie Gibbs, none of, A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie, Knicks fan. Freddie Gibbs, I don't think Freddie Gibbs is a Knicks fan. Who else, who was the other, who was?
41:00 Pablo Torre? DaBaby.
41:00 Speaker 01 DaBaby is definitely a Charlotte Hornets fan, famously.
41:03 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
41:04 Speaker 01 So, I mean, I don't get the, isn't he a celebrity?
41:08 Pablo Torre? DaBaby actually recently opened up a, uh, chicken and waffles restaurant in Charlotte.
41:13 Speaker 01 That's what I'm saying, he's like a hu, he's from Charlotte, he's a huge Charlotte Hornets fan. I don't understand why he would, he's, I mean, if he comes to the Garden, he's usually gonna be rooting against the Knicks. Or he's just gonna be kinda neutral.
41:26 Pablo Torre? Well, high risk.
41:28 Speaker 02 Didn't he have a?
41:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, he had a bad situation where one time at a concert, he kinda like, he told everyone that, I don't know, sucking dick was bad and.
41:40 Speaker 02 Is there still a DaBaby and a Lil Baby?
41:42 Speaker 01 Yes, yes, famously.
41:44 Speaker 02 Okay, I just wanted to make sure. Thank you for getting me caught up.
41:47 Speaker 01 Of course.
41:48 Pablo Torre? The quote from DaBaby was at Rolling Loud, "If you didn't show up today with HIV/AIDS, any of them deadly sexually transmitted diseases, that'll make you die in two, three weeks. Then put your cellphone light up."
41:59 Speaker 02 Well, up goes my cellphone light up.
42:01 Pablo Torre? He continues.
42:02 Speaker 02 I gotta.
42:02 Pablo Torre? Ladies, if your, put, smell like water, put a cellphone light. Now, wait, hold on.
42:06 Speaker 02 Okay, my phone's going down, I think.
42:10 Speaker 02 I don't know. I'm just, is me sheepishly in the back?
42:14 Speaker 01 Wait, alright.
42:15 Speaker 02 Water?
42:16 Pablo Torre? The baby is making us play Never Have I Ever?
42:18 Speaker 02 Water doesn't really smell like anything.
42:20 Speaker 01 But it smells like berry infused.
42:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, mine smells like flowers, so I guess I'll take my phone down.
42:26 Speaker 01 What's the, and what's the, what's, he continues?
42:28 Pablo Torre? Uh, yeah, and then he gets to, fellas, if you ain't sucking [BLEEP] in the parking lot.
42:32 Speaker 02 Ain't sucking [BLEEP] in the parking lot.
42:34 Pablo Torre? Put your cellphone light up.
42:35 Speaker 02 Put your cellphone light, oh, if you're not sucking [BLEEP] in the parking lot, put your, well, obviously, right now, none of us are sucking [BLEEP] in the parking lot. My cellphone is not.
42:42 Speaker 01 There we go, hey! That was, that was minutes ago.
42:46 Speaker 02 Now, is he against the parking lot or the gay? Like, he didn't specify.
42:50 Speaker 01 I think, I think he probably is against the gay. I think the parking lot, for some reason, he wanted there to be an immediacy to it.
42:58 Speaker 02 Ah, okay.
42:59 Speaker 01 Cause it can't be like, if you never, right?
43:02 Speaker 02 I guess.
43:02 Speaker 01 Also, he said, he said, ladies, if your [BLEEP] smell like water at Rolling Loud, when everyone's outside in that heat,
43:08 Speaker 02 Mm-mm-mm.
43:09 Speaker 01 A lot of cellphones going down.
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43:59 Pablo Torre? I should say that there is another level, which isn't technically on the scale, but is labeled very definitively as do not host.
44:08 Speaker 01 Whoa, do not host? So, these people will never get complimentary tickets. They always have to pay for their tickets.
44:13 Pablo Torre? So, according to the reporting, one name, for instance, is comedian and longtime Knicks obsessive fan, Adam Pablo.
44:21 Speaker 02 What?
44:23 Pablo Torre? Not to be hosted.
44:26 Speaker 02 He's so nice.
44:27 Speaker 01 You know why this is? This is because of Come Town, clearly. Or maybe because Adam's in his journalist bag right now.
44:35 Speaker 02 Oh, you're no, you're thinking of Adam Friedland. Adam Pablo.
44:39 Speaker 01 Adam Pablo.
44:40 Pablo Torre? Not all Adams. Hashtag.
44:41 Speaker 02 What's the name of the show he was on?
44:43 Speaker 01 Happy Endings. ABC, my good friend Adam Pablo.
44:45 Speaker 02 Adam Pablo.
44:46 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
44:48 Speaker 02 How could possibly Adam Pablo?
44:52 Speaker 01 Wait, does Adam know this?
44:53 Speaker 02 Do not host.
44:55 Pablo Torre? I don't know if he knows this.
44:56 Speaker 02 Adam Pablo is a higher risk than Morgan Wallen.
44:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay, yeah.
45:00 Speaker 02 Do we have other do not hosts in here?
45:02 Pablo Torre? We have iconic hip hop producer Pete Rock.
45:04 Speaker 01 Okay.
45:05 Pablo Torre? Who is a fan of the team, according to his Instagram account, but nonetheless, do not host. And then
45:11 Pablo Torre? I want to show you the next name on screen because it is
45:18 Pablo Torre? actress, model Julia Fox.
45:20 Speaker 01 Julia Fox.
45:21 Pablo Torre? Well, I should say that, so in the spring of 2024.
45:23 Speaker 01 Do not host.
45:24 Pablo Torre? Julia Fox appeared courtside in this allegedly quite revealing outfit. By early April, she was barred from getting complimentary tickets.
45:33 Speaker 02 Not really that revealing to me.
45:35 Speaker 01 They got mad about this?
45:37 Pablo Torre? This is merely the timeline. Assigning motive is very difficult for legal reasons.
45:41 Speaker 02 Good Pablo, really good stuff that was.
45:43 Speaker 01 I'm confused. I did see a game where this, but this was at, I guess, Crypto Arena, where Lizzo had her booty cheeks out and she got to sit courtside. Is it because the cheeks might have been out a bit?
45:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
45:57 Speaker 01 Julia Fox can't have the cheeks out a little bit in MSG? She's got a coat. You can sit on the coat.
46:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
46:03 Speaker 01 You can sit on the coat.
46:04 Speaker 02 I imagine she's on the risk list because she speaks her mind. It is a, and if you're just listening.
46:11 Pablo Torre? Yeah, please describe.
46:12 Speaker 02 We will say it's she's got a brief, a full brief on the bottom, a white brief. And then on top, a high neckline tank.
46:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
46:21 Speaker 02 And so it's, and there's a little bit of midriff showing between the tank and the brief. But she's also got a huge, what appears to be some sort of a fur, big bird, yellow coat.
46:31 Speaker 01 Yes.
46:32 Speaker 02 I would not call this very revealing. Now, I'm not leaving the house in a brief.
46:36 Speaker 01 It is.
46:36 Speaker 02 But that's me.
46:37 Speaker 01 There, okay, so the bottom section is very underwear-esque. And so is James Dolan that conservative that this would be too revealing of an outfit?
46:48 Pablo Torre? A question that should be phrased as a question.
46:50 Speaker 01 I'm impressed, though, because it's this list. If you say or do anything, you will never get the complimentary tickets to the game. Is basically what's stipulated.
47:05 Pablo Torre? This is the people who MSG felt the need to monitor.
47:08 Speaker 01 Okay.
47:08 Pablo Torre? Because maybe they're not gonna do what we want them to do in exchange for the things that we might give them.
47:13 Speaker 01 It's, I feel like every time you learn something sort of about fame and celebrity and what it means to like move up through the ranks of the entertainment industry, you go, "High school again?"
47:25 Speaker 02 I know.
47:26 Pablo Torre? Oh, there are lists. It's all, it's lists all the way down.
47:30 Speaker 01 This is a burn book. This is signing yearbooks. This is passing notes in class.
47:37 Pablo Torre? There is also in this talent database, an interesting other feature.
47:41 Speaker 01 Okay.
47:41 Pablo Torre? That we should describe.
47:42 Speaker 02 Yes.
47:43 Pablo Torre? Because 93 entries are marked as LGBTQIA.
47:49 Speaker 01 What?
47:51 Speaker 02 Wait, wait, can I just say, pretty nice of them to include the IA. You wouldn't have thought that James Dolan wouldn't know that.
47:57 Speaker 01 They said, they said, "Come here, James, for a second. What are we gonna do about the intersex and asexual?" You go, "All right, make sure they're on there too."
48:05 Speaker 02 Just make sure they're also discriminated against equally by us. Allegedly.
48:11 Speaker 01 Is Julia Fox labeled as LGBTQIA? She should be.
48:13 Pablo Torre? Here are some folks who are.
48:15 Speaker 01 Okay.
48:16 Speaker 02 And they're all, they're all out before you read from this.
48:19 Speaker 01 No, probably not.
48:20 Speaker 02 But it's not out anybody.
48:24 Pablo Torre? Phoebe Bridgers.
48:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:26 Pablo Torre? Uh, Geese's Emily.
48:27 Speaker 02 Say the name, say the letter.
48:30 Speaker 01 Guess the letter.
48:31 Pablo Torre? Okay, I'll, I'll, I'll, let me, Geese's Emily Green.
48:33 Speaker 01 Okay.
48:34 Pablo Torre? Ricky Martin.
48:34 Speaker 02 Okay.
48:35 Speaker 01 Ricky Martin, yeah. Is it just so these people get prioritized announcements about Nick's Pride Night?
48:41 Speaker 02 I bet not.
48:42 Speaker 01 Is it?
48:43 Speaker 02 I would bet not.
48:43 Speaker 01 That is an amazing.
48:45 Speaker 02 It's a sweet interpretation.
48:47 Speaker 01 Okay, but, okay, so the MSG labels some of these tiers as LGBTQIA.
48:54 Pablo Torre? They have 93 entries are marked as LGBTQIA.
48:57 Speaker 02 That's a lot. I don't like this.
48:59 Speaker 01 Pablo, they don't have a pink triangle next to the names, do they?
49:02 Pablo Torre? Not to our knowledge.
49:03 Speaker 01 Okay, good. I think that labeling them and the history of what they did to that trans individual.
49:10 Speaker 02 Oh, admittedly.
49:11 Speaker 01 I'm starting to see some weird stuff.
49:15 Pablo Torre? The lists and the existence of such secret lists and how many people are on them and what they're following. I think they raise at the very least follow-up questions from people who might wanna, you know, deeply care about how your favorite sports team thinks of its fans.
49:32 Speaker 02 Now, are all of the arenas panopticons or just Madison Square Garden?
49:38 Pablo Torre? Sorry, I just found another J tweet.
49:39 Speaker 02 Yes, wait, I kinda love this.
49:41 Pablo Torre? The reason I don't love Taylor Swift is because, truthfully, I only have room for one messy white woman pop star in my life, and her name is Aubrey Graham.
49:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, that's true. About Drake? That's beautiful.
49:54 Speaker 02 That's funny.
49:54 Speaker 01 Recently, I even said Drake is, he's Taylor Swift for so many boys.
50:01 Speaker 01 Releasing three albums and every boy's like, you don't understand the impact this has.
50:05 Speaker 02 This has also been said of Shane Gillis is Taylor Swift for boys.
50:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, oh my goodness, that's stadiums at the same time. Everyone's kind of like in and out of their relationship.
50:16 Speaker 02 Damn.
50:19 Speaker 01 That's good. Hmm, what would I say about Taylor Swift today? I'm happy she's married. I, I wonder, where's she at on this list? She's not, she's not risk at all?
50:30 Pablo Torre? If nothing else, it seems like she is above all of this.
50:34 Speaker 01 Did she have to go to James Dolan to get his blessing to marry the stadium?
50:38 Pablo Torre? Oh, here's, here's something that I can report, I guess.
50:41 Speaker 02 Oh.
50:42 Pablo Torre? James Dolan was at their wedding.
50:44 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, well, yeah.
50:46 Speaker 02 What, did he sit with the ICE detention center guy?
50:51 Speaker 02 Cause I've been wondering who that guy had to share a, who had to share a table with that guy, and now it's starting to make a lot of sense.
50:57 Pablo Torre? Who among us hasn't invited an ICE contractor to our wedding?
51:09 Pablo Torre? This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production.
51:15 Pablo Torre? And I'll talk to you next time.
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