Pod Insights Pablo Torre Finds Out Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne About this episode Do they sever the actors on Severance? Does Severance cast member (!!) Michael Cruz Kayne know the secrets of Lumon? (For people who believe in spoilers, you're good through Episode 7 of Season 2.) Also: Why are we trying so hard to figure out The White Lotus? And how much would you pay, at auction, for props from your favorite show? Plus: The Pablovian Shiver Response, the weaponization of AIM, trusting the parsnip steak, StraightDope.com, aliens... and that scene from Saltburn.
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2:58 Pablo Torre? I am Pablo Torre and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
3:02 Speaker 02 No! Oh my god, it's so milky.
3:08 Pablo Torre? Right after this ad.
3:11 Speaker 02 You're listening to DraftKings Network.
3:26 Speaker 02 My dad would do the free AOL CDs.
3:28 Pablo Torre? Of course.
3:29 Speaker 02 And so we had to get new screen names every like two weeks.
3:32 Pablo Torre? Did you get them off like magazines?
3:33 Speaker 02 Because once he used the free hours, he would like make a whole new account. Uh, yeah, he would get them in the mail. He would like actively go out and seek them.
3:40 Pablo Torre? At a certain point, the AOL free trial CDs were a certain form of currency.
3:43 Speaker 02 Yes. Oh, man, my dad had that system figured out. And I was like, hey, dad, so this is kind of like a social thing and my name keeps changing. It's getting tough for me out here. Please, can we just? And then they came out with AIM, which was the best.
3:56 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
3:57 Speaker 02 You didn't have to do all the other stuff with the chat rooms. You could just do Messenger.
4:02 Pablo Torre? I remember when Warning debuted as a feature. Remember when you could warn people on AIM?
4:08 Speaker 02 No, but I remember next to nothing about my life, so please tell me about it.
4:12 Pablo Torre? There was a, there was a function that I presume was invented because of like online bullying, but you could warn the person you were instant messaging with.
4:21 Speaker 02 To whom?
4:22 Pablo Torre? To them. So you would press like a lightning bolt icon and they would get a warning.
4:27 Speaker 02 An electric shock?
4:28 Pablo Torre? But it was like a percentage and you could. Keep warning them, and if you warn them 200%
4:33 Speaker 02 Oh, this is coming back to me now?
4:34 Pablo Torre? They couldn't send an "I am."
4:35 Speaker 02 Huh.
4:36 Pablo Torre? And so presumably this was used again to like create politeness and decency. And instead, it was just weaponized so
4:43 Speaker 02 We do that with everything.
4:45 Pablo Torre? Teenage boys could just like lightning bolt each other over and over again.
4:48 Speaker 02 Oh. I thought you were gonna say weaponized in actually bad way. That ended up being pretty harmless there at the end.
4:53 Pablo Torre? It was fun.
4:55 Speaker 02 In terms of weaponization on the internet, that wasn't too bad.
5:00 Pablo Torre? I mean, it wasn't like we fomented a revolution in Myanmar.
5:02 Speaker 02 Did Twitter get something today? It was not that-
5:05 Pablo Torre? It was not working.
5:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, so I think that's, I think we gotta go. I think it's time to go. It's time for me to leap into Blueski. I'm gonna, I'm heading over to Blueski.
5:14 Pablo Torre? God.
5:15 Speaker 02 Everybody's very nice there.
5:17 Pablo Torre? They're very, they're so eager to welcome you.
5:20 Speaker 02 It's the relearning of the stuff. It's the re-following the people that I got of, it's the, it's the, I had it. I had it, and I didn't do anything that made me deserve to have it taken away. Why did you take it from us? Why?
5:36 Pablo Torre? Warning was invented, oh wow, this is, no, this is my first word post from 2003.
5:44 Speaker 02 What you have there in front of you?
5:45 Pablo Torre? What I have there in front of me.
5:46 Speaker 02 You dug that deep into the internet.
5:47 Pablo Torre? Straightdope.com.
5:49 Speaker 02 Okay, that's a, who knows now? Who knows?
5:52 Pablo Torre? It's, it's, it's, but hold on, where's the actual one? Here's, here's, here's a headline from the Gainesville Sun.
5:59 Speaker 02 Okay. And that's a real thing, or something named to sound like a real thing.
6:05 Pablo Torre? Yep. Uh, like the Epoch Times.
6:09 Speaker 02 Yes. And which is what again?
6:11 Pablo Torre? Uh, presumably a real thing. And not, as it turns out in this Wikipedia page, "A far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement."
6:24 Speaker 02 Oh, that is, that is, that is Shenyun.
6:31 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah, right, right, right. That, that, that performing arts festival thing.
6:37 Speaker 02 It's a show that they make seem like it's like a Broadway show, but it travels.
6:43 Pablo Torre? Operated by the Falun Gong, the religious movement.
6:45 Speaker 02 That's right. Ooh, ooh. And I looked into that because I heard somebody say randomly, because Dan and I see these commercials all the time because they run during jeopardy. And so we're always like, what is this? Maybe someday we should go to this, thinking it's just like any other performance that comes through New York. And we, I like saw it, it come up somewhere in a subreddit of somebody explaining how it was cult-based.
7:07 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
7:07 Speaker 02 And it shocked me. And I was like, Dan, I think something might be up with this. And then I looked into it and it's a little, uh...
7:15 Pablo Torre? I mean, it's, it's the Los Angeles Times, 2020. Quote, "Both Shenyun and Epoch Times are funded and operated by members of Falun Gong, a controversial spiritual group that was banned by China's government in 1999." And it goes on to describe, uh, an organization that has claimed that aliens started invading human minds in the beginning of the 20th century.
7:35 Speaker 02 You know?
7:36 Pablo Torre? Leading to mass corruption and the invention of computers, which would make sense.
7:41 Speaker 02 Wouldn't it?
7:43 Speaker 03 Is this table moved?
7:45 Speaker 02 Oh, I, am I that spatially unaware?
7:48 Pablo Torre? The chairs are new.
7:49 Speaker 02 Or are you having a moment?
7:50 Pablo Torre? The chairs are new.
7:51 Speaker 02 Where'd you come from? A conference?
7:52 Speaker 03 Yes, I landed from work. Okay, [bleep] relax, dude.
7:58 Speaker 02 Sorry, we were talking about how I'm dressed like a 12-year-old boy, so if you want to pick up and get a couple of those in.
8:03 Speaker 03 What's on your shirt?
8:03 Speaker 02 This is my friend's podcast. This is the best hockey podcast on earth. It's called What Chaos. It's, um, uh, my friends Pete and DJ, and I love it. And they have great merch, and it's like high-quality merch, which tough to get these days.
8:15 Pablo Torre? What size is that shirt?
8:16 Speaker 02 It's oversized, because, look, they sent one to Dan too, and I showed it to Dan and he's like, "I can't wear shirts that are oversized like that." And I said, "You know what? I don't think I can either, but I'm gonna..." It's cool, and I'm pretending, we were all, I thought, gonna pretend I looked cool wearing it, but I see that...
8:33 Pablo Torre? You were cool.
8:34 Speaker 02 Here's the problem. I was getting dressed to run out the door. I was ready to go. And Dan's like, "Oh, you're gonna do a podcast? You want some of this bold?" And I was like, "Yeah." And then I just stood there looking in the mirror and I was like, "What are you gonna wear?"
8:47 Pablo Torre? And you're like, "This t-shirt isn't large enough."
8:48 Speaker 02 "What are you gonna wear?" And I was like, "I don't know, let's just wear this." And I walked in before I left and I said, "Hey, you got me high at the wrong time. Is it okay to go outside in this outfit?" And he was like, "What? Yeah, totally." I could tell he said it scared. And now, you know. Anyway. How's everybody doing?
9:05 Speaker 03 We have fun. At the end of the day, what we do is have fun.
9:25 Pablo Torre? Okay, let's do two things. Number one, spoiler alert, we're gonna talk about severance. But number two, I would like to set up how it is that we all realized we should be talking about severance today. We have been podcasting and watching a show which we love and are obsessed with to varying subreddit depths. With a guy...
9:45 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, that's so... I freaked out when I realized...
9:48 Pablo Torre? Who was on the show.
9:51 Speaker 03 That, as I understand, is the preferred term among...
9:53 Speaker 04 I think it's exactly the condescending verbiage that I'd expect from a group trying to save people from their own choices.
9:58 Speaker 03 Choices. Did her inzie have a choice?
10:01 Speaker 04 Inzie, and where are you getting these terms?
10:02 Speaker 03 I find, uh, call it, uh, someone who's had their brain split in half.
10:05 Speaker 04 That has nothing to do with what we do at Lumen nor any severance procedure.
10:09 Speaker 03 I understand you don't want to answer my question.
10:11 Speaker 04 No, I'm answering your question.
10:12 Speaker 03 Because it'll reveal that you are complicit in something totally immoral.
10:14 Speaker 04 What's immoral?
10:16 Speaker 03 Tough to buy that guy is just a regular guy in that world. You know what I mean? Because you're like, "He must be a movie star in this world."
10:21 Pablo Torre? Honest compliment. Crushed the role of guy on television
10:25 Speaker 02 Really did.
10:26 Pablo Torre? debating the severance procedure.
10:28 Speaker 03 Let's go.
10:29 Speaker 02 Really did.
10:30 Pablo Torre? Legitimately.
10:31 Speaker 02 Good points. You were on the right side of history, I believe. I'm not sure yet, we're not done, but I believe. And let me also say...
10:38 Speaker 03 Please do.
10:39 Speaker 02 That because everything in this show is intentional and every shot we see is carefully considered, I would say my interpretation of your face being hidden by Mark S.'s face is that perhaps you...
10:58 Speaker 02 Are actually the protagonist.
11:00 Pablo Torre? Yes.
11:01 Speaker 03 Of?
11:02 Speaker 02 Severance.
11:02 Speaker 03 Severance, the show. Well, I'm not allowed to talk about that, but yes, I am the star.
11:06 Speaker 02 That's why I didn't think we were gonna podcast, because I was like, you mean with the star?
11:10 Pablo Torre? Genuine question.
11:11 Speaker 03 Go.
11:12 Pablo Torre? When you, was it an audition? How do you get the role?
11:16 Speaker 02 Good question.
11:16 Pablo Torre? How does this work?
11:17 Speaker 03 Fantastic. So here's how it worked. I auditioned for, I don't remember which role. I wanna say the Zach Cherry role. Dylan, is that the character's name?
11:25 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
11:25 Speaker 02 Yes.
11:26 Speaker 03 I think I auditioned for that role, and then gradually not getting that role. Auditioned for smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller roles. I think that, this one, I don't even know if I auditioned for. They just might have been like, well, we gotta throw this fucking guy something. And so then, and so then, there I was.
11:44 Speaker 02 Again, if I can spin, if I may.
11:46 Speaker 03 Spin.
11:47 Speaker 02 Uh, they liked you so much, they wrote a role specifically to use you.
11:51 Speaker 03 That seems extremely, I mean profoundly unlikely.
11:55 Speaker 02 They kept bringing you back.
11:56 Speaker 03 It's a lot of, it's a lot of, no, not for this. Nah, not for that. You know what he could be, right? Um, no, not for that.
12:05 Pablo Torre? But you do, you do have a name.
12:09 Speaker 03 Do I?
12:10 Pablo Torre? Did you, do you not know your own name?
12:11 Speaker 03 I don't, I don't know.
12:12 Pablo Torre? In the Severance Wikipedia.
12:14 Speaker 02 You mentioned it in the group text, and you did not react to it in a way that I was like, I don't know if he even knows that's his character's name.
12:21 Speaker 03 Gone over my head completely.
12:22 Speaker 02 And if it was your name, that'd be a tough thing for it to do.
12:24 Pablo Torre? You got Severance from your own Severance.
12:26 Speaker 03 I might, I might have been Severance while I was there.
12:28 Speaker 02 Oh my god, oh my god, he doesn't know his own name.
12:30 Speaker 03 Every actor do that.
12:31 Speaker 02 Oh my god.
12:33 Pablo Torre? Steven.
12:34 Speaker 03 Steven. Oh, yeah, I could feel that.
12:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:37 Speaker 03 I definitely could feel that.
12:38 Speaker 02 I can go back to that place.
12:39 Speaker 03 Now that I remember.
12:40 Speaker 02 I can go back to that place.
12:41 Speaker 03 I did feel Steven-ish while we were shooting it.
12:44 Pablo Torre? Uh, yeah, I mean.
12:45 Speaker 02 Future president.
12:46 Pablo Torre? Steven, uh.
12:48 Speaker 02 Stevenish Smith.
12:49 Pablo Torre? Oh, god. Uh, talking about things I would like to wipe from my brainstem.
12:53 Speaker 02 So bad.
12:54 Speaker 03 Katie is on the fucking loose, dog, and I love it.
12:57 Pablo Torre? He's contractually allowed to talk ever more about becoming president, actually.
13:02 Speaker 02 It's wild.
13:03 Speaker 03 I think it could happen. I believe it.
13:04 Speaker 02 I think it could happen too. That's still scary.
13:07 Pablo Torre? Let's stay on track.
13:07 Speaker 02 Okay.
13:09 Pablo Torre? Episode three, first season, Steven.
13:11 Speaker 03 Steven.
13:12 Pablo Torre? What do you?
13:13 Speaker 03 P H V.
13:14 Speaker 02 You should know. What does it feel?
13:16 Speaker 03 Feels V.
13:17 Speaker 02 What's your motivation?
13:18 Speaker 03 It's V, isn't it? I could tell it was V.
13:20 Pablo Torre? You're damn right.
13:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:22 Speaker 02 He knows. He really studies this stuff.
13:24 Pablo Torre? Like the corner of two walls in a hallway.
13:27 Speaker 03 Holy shit.
13:27 Speaker 02 That's right.
13:28 Speaker 03 Spoiler, there are walls in Severance. We should have said that ahead of time.
13:31 Speaker 02 And hallways. Wow.
13:32 Speaker 03 Can I say something else that's not really on track? I don't believe in spoilers. I just don't believe in it.
13:35 Speaker 02 What does that mean?
13:36 Speaker 03 It came out, at whatever time it came out, if you didn't watch it then, [bleep] you dude. That's it.
13:40 Speaker 02 No, but I think warning people who aren't normally tuning into this for that.
13:44 Speaker 03 That's on them.
13:45 Speaker 02 Just warning them that up until that certain, and people are gonna be mad too because they're gonna wanna hear the podcast, and you just gotta prepare for that. I would like to talk to my friends about the show that I like.
13:56 Pablo Torre? I would like to remove the spoiler alert that we gave before because so far we haven't spoiled anything.
14:01 Speaker 02 I think we did. Didn't I?
14:02 Speaker 03 Steven is huge. You kidding me? You showed the scene with Steven?
14:05 Pablo Torre? What did Steven?
14:07 Speaker 02 Actually, I do have a question. Would you have the answer if I asked it?
14:11 Speaker 03 Almost definitely not.
14:12 Speaker 02 In the clip, the thing you're upset about, your character, as you'll recall, I'm sure, sorry, I don't mean to explain your own.
14:20 Speaker 03 Honestly, I didn't remember. Someone, watch, people have been sending me this clip, so I am like being refreshed.
14:24 Speaker 02 Season one was so long ago. It's crazy.
14:28 Pablo Torre? It was 2022. February 25, 2022 is when we first saw Steven.
14:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was like, dude, I can't go back. I have to go back. But I'm pretty sure I had met you by then, so I should have noticed you the first time, and I'm sorry that I didn't.
14:38 Speaker 03 Okay, thank you. I've been waiting for that apology.
14:40 Speaker 02 I know, I could feel it. Um, what was I [bleep] talking about so passionately?
14:45 Speaker 03 You had a question? You had a question?
14:46 Speaker 02 You're talking about a woman?
14:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:48 Speaker 02 Who is pregnant, who got, after a company activated Severance or allowed Severance, a month later, a woman got pregnant at work.
15:00 Speaker 03 Yes.
15:00 Speaker 02 And you're arguing that like, how could you possibly be saying this is ethical?
15:05 Speaker 03 Yes, big ethical problem.
15:06 Speaker 02 A month later, this girl got, lady got pregnant.
15:10 Pablo Torre? Steven's a muckraker.
15:11 Speaker 02 And my question was, are, does that imply, and this is probably a stupid question, but I'm not afraid to ask it, does that imply? That other companies that aren't just Lumen are also using severance at their companies, letting their workers be severed. Or did we already know that and I should have? But it feels like he works at Lumen. So it's like if other companies are also doing severance, that means he's at like the headquarters of what's kind of a global problem.
15:40 Speaker 03 You're talking about when you say he, you're talking about Adam.
15:43 Speaker 02 Like, yeah, the, the story we're watching is now suddenly even more important because it's not just about this one company that does this to their workers.
15:52 Speaker 03 I assumed.
15:52 Speaker 02 It would be then they license out the tech to all these other companies.
15:56 Speaker 03 I assumed the one company, but I should, I should say to you with extreme clarity, I do not know [BLEEP]. I know, I know.
16:03 Speaker 02 And you know what? Me neither.
16:04 Speaker 03 Probably even possibly less than you know.
16:05 Pablo Torre? So what, what, what did you know when you were playing the role?
16:10 Speaker 03 Borderline nothing. I knew, I knew what I had read of the scripts, which were not, they didn't, you know, not massive amounts from previous auditions and like the basic premise of the show.
16:23 Pablo Torre? From trying to be Zach Charah.
16:24 Speaker 03 From trying to be increasingly larger or increasingly smaller characters.
16:28 Speaker 02 I see where this fits.
16:29 Speaker 03 Exactly. And it was, yeah, it was super nice and easy breezy.
16:34 Pablo Torre? Were you actually talking to that person? Or was that?
16:36 Speaker 03 That person was very close to me physically. We weren't, it's like green screened, I think, probably whatever.
16:41 Pablo Torre? Well, she becomes, she becomes a big character.
16:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, I know, she does.
16:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, and when I met her, I sort of assumed that we were roughly the same tier of person.
16:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, fair, fair enough.
16:52 Speaker 03 Because I.
16:53 Speaker 02 You were like, oh, we're both kind of just here for a little bit.
16:55 Speaker 03 Yeah. And I think looking, now seeing her like in every.
16:58 Speaker 02 How does that feel?
16:59 Speaker 03 Episode feels great because you know what? I'm happy for her.
17:03 Speaker 02 That's right.
17:03 Speaker 03 And I do not, I have never experienced envy or jealousy in my.
17:07 Speaker 02 Me neither. What even is that? Sorry, you said envy?
17:10 Speaker 03 That's right.
17:10 Speaker 02 The two letters.
17:10 Speaker 03 That's right.
17:11 Speaker 02 N V?
17:11 Speaker 03 Yep. Nevada. I don't know.
17:13 Speaker 02 Know her.
17:15 Pablo Torre? Adam Scott obscuring your face for a large chunk of that.
17:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:19 Pablo Torre? Both poetic and also to the person whose face got obscured.
17:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:23 Pablo Torre? It was hilarious.
17:27 Speaker 03 Are you asking me?
17:27 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
17:28 Speaker 03 I did think, I did-
17:29 Speaker 02 That's how a question sounds, right?
17:31 Speaker 03 I did think that it was hilarious. Cause it was kind of a thing where-
17:34 Speaker 02 I would laugh at that.
17:35 Speaker 03 Having come in for-
17:36 Pablo Torre? It's so funny visually because you're our friend.
17:39 Speaker 02 Yes.
17:39 Speaker 03 Again, having come in for increasingly smaller and smaller roles. You get the script and you're like, oh wow, that's actually like, that's actually a decent amount of stuff.
17:47 Speaker 02 It's so funny.
17:48 Speaker 03 It's not like a huge role or anything, but it's like a lot of lines.
17:51 Speaker 02 That's so funny.
17:51 Speaker 03 And then you watch it.
17:52 Speaker 02 You're like, oh, okay, I'm blurred.
17:54 Speaker 03 And they're like, wow, they really found a way.
17:55 Speaker 02 I'm blurred, I'm seeing me, but I'm hearing my voice, but I'm blurry. Okay, but surely they're gonna, there she, there she is.
18:01 Speaker 03 We're seeing a lot of her.
18:02 Speaker 02 That's, oh, that's nice.
18:03 Pablo Torre? Mine just feels not accidental.
18:05 Speaker 02 That's so funny.
18:06 Pablo Torre? The blocking of this scene seems very deliberate, actually.
18:08 Speaker 03 It does feel vaguely prankish.
18:12 Speaker 02 Did you piss off Ben Stiller at any point in your career?
18:17 Speaker 03 I don't think so. He was so nice.
18:19 Pablo Torre? Would you like to say anything to Ben while you have a microphone?
18:21 Speaker 03 No, I mean, I would only say, sure, you've done such a wonderful job. And if, you know, you ever needed that character to recur, I could see a lot of ways in which it would be work, it would work.
18:30 Pablo Torre? The fans are demanding more Steven.
18:32 Speaker 02 Fans are demanding, I'm that deep in the subreddit.
18:35 Speaker 03 They call him the Stevedors. They're those, those are the ones who are like, they're really pushing for more Steven.
18:40 Pablo Torre? So to go back to the subreddit.
18:43 Speaker 03 I'm not on the subreddit at all, by the way.
18:44 Speaker 02 Good, and it's, and again, that's kind of goes back to what I'm saying. I don't even really recommend it because if you go too deep, I just think it's, sometimes it's a little too much about trying to get every little, I zoomed in on this and I checked on it and it's like, some of that is there so that you can appreciate it upon revisiting. If you get through, what a blessing to get through a TV show and go like, let me take another spin at that because that was really interesting. And then have your viewership enhanced.
19:13 Speaker 03 So you're rewatching the episodes?
19:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, I just, yes, I just started this weekend. I'm on episode, uh, five, I think. I think I just did five of season one. And I don't think I'm gonna rewatch season two because here's the other crazy thing. The beginning of season two, I was like- I don't think this show and I get along anymore.
19:33 Pablo Torre? My concern was I was slow.
19:35 Speaker 02 I was like, it's losing me. I'm not sure. There's too many things.
19:38 Pablo Torre? The finale of episode, or the last episode was, the finale of season one.
19:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:43 Pablo Torre? Was one of the great television shows.
19:45 Speaker 02 It was amazing.
19:46 Speaker 03 Incredible.
19:46 Speaker 02 Almost criminal how long we had to wait. Almost criminal how long we had to wait for a season two. In the subreddit, maybe this is disproving that I'm not deep, but I went back just to make sure I grasped all the concepts. And people were like, after the, I checked, I looked ahead at the subreddit for the episode of the finale, just to be like, what did people say right after they saw that? And what they said was like, I can't believe we gotta wait another year. I can't believe we have to wait 12 more months. And it was like, oh, boy. You have to wait like that times three before you're gonna get another episode.
20:22 Pablo Torre? Right.
20:22 Speaker 02 Or two, two and a half.
20:24 Pablo Torre? Part of like my subreddit psychology, and I've made this mistake before, like honestly, I really enjoyed the last season of The White Lotus. But the thing about The White Lotus was last season, I felt like the subreddit collectively was trying harder than the writers actually wound up having tried. Like, there was the invention of theories and details being read into in ways that were just beyond what the intent was, it turned out, for that season. And Severance, any show like this, seems to be, you know, teasing, knowing that the audience will inevitably go and spin off into their own sorts of rabbit holes. But the question of will it get paid off, right?
21:09 Pablo Torre? So the finale of season one, I was like, okay, they're doing it. Now, after episode seven, I'm like, finally, they're doing it. And hanging in the, and this is like the lost problem. Is that like, you can get these signs that they're doing it, the question is, at the very end, will this all pay off? And I am so hopeful that Severance will.
21:30 Speaker 02 I think it will.
21:31 Pablo Torre? I've just been burned before.
21:33 Speaker 02 Here's the thing, so what solved my burn of lost.
21:38 Speaker 02 Because Lost, I felt like I thought we were collecting all these clues and would be rewarded. And we were not. And I think it's because I went into it thinking they were gonna tell me the answers. And what cured me of that was when I watched The Leftovers. Because The Leftovers was like, hey, we're not gonna tell you why. It's gonna happen, and we're making a show about what happens after it happens. Because they don't know why either. So why should you know why? We're not solving it. And so then, once I accepted that, I really liked that show.
22:15 Speaker 03 I agree with that so much. Mine is like a little bit in reverse where like I've, you said that Leftovers cured you. I thought of like Lost like primed me for Leftovers. So like, okay, now I know the way these people work is. Some of this is just not gonna get answered, and there's no way, a certain point in The Leftovers, you're like, they can't answer all this. Like Severance, which I do have full faith will pay off, so to speak. They're not gonna be able to tell you what all this is. Some of it is just gonna be like, oh yeah, and that happened. And we couldn't tie up every single piece of this. So the questions are, like, what's exciting is to think which of the things will be the ones that are answered.
22:51 Pablo Torre? Right.
22:51 Speaker 03 I hope to find out.
22:53 Pablo Torre? When Steven is revealed as Steven Lumen.
22:56 Speaker 03 Huge. It's gonna be, I'm not supposed to say.
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26:40 Speaker 02 Can we go back to talking about the show I like?
26:42 Pablo Torre? Um, episode seven.
26:43 Speaker 03 Wait, is that the one that just was on?
26:45 Pablo Torre? The one before that.
26:46 Speaker 02 This, a second to last.
26:47 Pablo Torre? So the episode about Gemma, the, the-
26:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:50 Speaker 02 The big reveal.
26:51 Speaker 03 Jenna's in all the different rooms.
26:52 Pablo Torre? Yeah, yeah, yeah, all those rooms. That, I mean, but just the, I sort of just palpably experienced what it's like to be out in a broader world after being claustrophobically inside of these hallways. And just like, it was weird to be like, uh, I have this feeling when I watch The White Lotus, when I watch Succession, where I'm like, I am enjoying this not merely because this is a really well constructed show, also because I'm into the aesthetics of it.
27:18 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
27:19 Pablo Torre? And I just found myself being like, oh, wow, like their house.
27:22 Speaker 02 That episode was beautiful.
27:23 Pablo Torre? It was just beautifully shot, decorated, like the plants, I loved.
27:27 Speaker 02 The woman who directed that-
27:29 Pablo Torre? Is a cinematographer.
27:30 Speaker 02 That was her first time directing an episode. It was gorgeous.
27:34 Pablo Torre? It was gorgeous in every way. And the broader takeaway, though, being-
27:37 Speaker 02 What's her name? Do you know?
27:39 Pablo Torre? Jessica Lee Kayne.
27:41 Speaker 02 Nice.
27:42 Pablo Torre? She knocked that [BLEEP] out of the park.
27:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, she really did. And, um, again, knocked me on my ass. That episode was like, it's crazy to see a sea change in, again, the depth that I go of the subreddit, which is not too deep. I'm not reading other theories. I gave a couple other people too much. I like was reading it and then was like, okay, this is nuts. That's obviously not gonna happen.
28:05 Pablo Torre? I'm like a catfish. I'm just like, everything on the- The seafloor, I'm just like, hoovering up.
28:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's crazy. You don't worry that you're like, this is a waste of my-
28:17 Pablo Torre? I mean-
28:18 Speaker 02 Okay.
28:18 Pablo Torre? I don't know what that accent is, but I know that, uh, you know-
28:22 Speaker 02 To watch people go-
28:23 Pablo Torre? Stevedore59 was like, this [BLEEP] is actually a dream sequence.
28:26 Speaker 02 People love, loved-
28:30 Speaker 02 Mark and Helly, they loved that. And then in one episode, after, I mean, right after they have sex.
28:40 Speaker 03 The percentage increase in Any Mark having sex has absolutely skyrocketed.
28:45 Speaker 02 Dude is getting more laid than he's ever been in his life.
28:48 Speaker 03 Dude was extremely not having sex in there and now he's having.
28:50 Speaker 02 Had never, ever even.
28:52 Pablo Torre? All over the place.
28:52 Speaker 03 Probably never. Any Mark had probably never had sex and now Any Mark is doing it on the regular.
28:57 Speaker 02 And then after episode seven, everybody was like, "Helly." Like, this is, it was crazy.
29:05 Speaker 03 Correct.
29:05 Speaker 02 That they did such a good job of portraying the love that Mark had for his wife and that they had as like a couple. We had known nothing about that. So we weren't really even understanding his pain yet. We were told about it.
29:19 Pablo Torre? Mark has a dead wife. That sucks, I guess. Let's watch these people have sex under this desk. Yeah, to speedrun through a lifetime of a relationship and have that not feel like it's cheap and that they did it for, again, an artificial pulling of a puppet string is so hard. And by the end, yeah, that's exactly the right reaction. You feel bad that you were rooting for this other, you were shipping the wrong couple.
29:44 Speaker 03 You also get hot Adam Scott in there, which you don't really get from most of the show.
29:47 Speaker 02 We needed a little bit. We just needed to be like, yeah, I bet he was like, "Hell yeah. I can just throw my fastball in the middle of the, because I'm starting, people are starting to lose. I saw people using the meme of like, "You don't love this guy. You just are on SSRIs," or something like that. Of the like, "If you stop taking your beta blockers, this is gonna go away."
30:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, then you see hot Adam Scott.
30:09 Speaker 02 And then he comes out there and you're like, "Oh, no, no, no. He's got, he's, you're losing him in the, he's getting lost in the role. It's the point."
30:14 Speaker 03 He's been playing, his sex appeal's been playing kind of left-handed this whole time. And he's like, "Let me actually show you. Just so you know, my hook actually looks like this." And you're like, "Oh, my gosh."
30:23 Speaker 02 That's right.
30:24 Speaker 03 Delicious.
30:25 Speaker 02 That's right. There's our hottie. And so that's really what I think Severance is about, what it boils down to.
30:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, I agree.
30:31 Speaker 02 You know?
30:32 Speaker 03 Okay, wait, can I ask a question? Just a thought about this?
30:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
30:34 Speaker 03 I don't know what episode it is. When I watch, I watch and I kind of, I don't delve. I don't like go in to see all the secret thoughts, etc. I'm not on the subreddits.
30:45 Speaker 02 Good. Again, I'm saying it and I feel like you still think I might be insulting you.
30:48 Speaker 03 When Helena.
30:52 Speaker 03 Sees Mark at the diner or whatever.
30:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, the Chinese restaurant, I believe.
30:56 Speaker 03 Chinese restaurant, thank you. And says the wrong name for Gemma. Do you know what I'm talking about? She calls her like Hannah or something and Mark corrects her.
31:05 Pablo Torre? Yes, yes, yes, yes.
31:06 Speaker 03 What do we think is going on?
31:08 Pablo Torre? So two things I thought were happening there. One is, that's the classic move when you are trying to throw shade at someone's ex.
31:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, yes, okay.
31:19 Pablo Torre? Like, oh, how's, how's, uh, how's Kristen, her name is Katie.
31:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:25 Pablo Torre? Like that thing?
31:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, I'm like, you know, you know that, don't do that.
31:29 Pablo Torre? The whole time.
31:29 Speaker 02 You knew.
31:30 Pablo Torre? Uh, the other thing is, is she testing his cognitive, just sort of like?
31:33 Speaker 02 Could be. It always could be that.
31:35 Pablo Torre? Which is also what episode seven was about, right?
31:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's the whole thing.
31:39 Speaker 03 Interesting.
31:39 Pablo Torre? Testing your, your pain tolerance.
31:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:42 Pablo Torre? Your emotional pain tolerance.
31:44 Speaker 02 That is.
31:45 Pablo Torre? That guy.
31:46 Speaker 02 My, by the way, I learned my, yeah, [BLEEP] that guy. And that's no offense to him, you know? It's just like, buddy, I'm never, it's like, uh, I feel like there's a guy in Green Mile that as soon as he, he's either sucks or is an incredible actor. Because I was like, if I ever see that guy again, I'll punch him and I won't feel bad.
32:04 Pablo Torre? Dr. Mauer.
32:05 Speaker 03 He'll know why.
32:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, and that's how, Dr. Mauer, you're next on that list. Like, that guy sucks. That guy sucks. He's a creep. He played a creep so well that I never want to see that. Oh, my god.
32:17 Pablo Torre? In her mouth as the dentist was...
32:20 Speaker 03 Don't you feel like, don't you feel like they could come back to him and you could see him in the outside world? And you'd be like, oh, I see kind of how he got here. Like Severance would do that. Severance, they're not going to, I don't think.
32:29 Speaker 02 No, not to me, maybe just maybe to a weaker.
32:32 Speaker 03 Be like, oh, I get why he like wants to pretend to be a dentist. It actually checks out.
32:36 Speaker 02 No, because I, because if you think he's just pretending to be a dentist.
32:40 Pablo Torre? Dr. Mauer, as an Audi, is Steven's assistant.
32:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
32:46 Pablo Torre? His asshole boss, who he's browbeaten by and he's taking it out on, uh, yeah, Ms. Casey.
32:52 Speaker 02 Ms. Casey. Oh, my God. Just what a show. There's just so much happening.
32:58 Pablo Torre? How many more episodes are there?
32:59 Speaker 02 I think it, well, last season went to nine, so I was, would have thought eight, but maybe nine?
33:05 Pablo Torre? We're looking it up.
33:06 Speaker 02 So there's either one or two left. It's gotta be two left.
33:10 Pablo Torre? There are two more.
33:11 Speaker 02 Okay, good. So that's what I'm, I'm right.
33:13 Pablo Torre? The after hours is the next episode. Uh, and then the last episode is Cold Harbor, which feels like it's been signaled, of course, by the room that.
33:22 Speaker 03 Sure.
33:22 Pablo Torre? Again, if you haven't watched the show, I hope you enjoy us nerding out about it, but it's just the thing that I've been dying to talk about with friends who also are watching.
33:30 Speaker 03 But Cold Harbor's not just the room, it's also, that's the project that Mark's working on. He's gonna finish Cold Harbor.
33:34 Speaker 02 And it was also, it was written on the crib that he was building in the flashback. And I don't think that matters. That's probably just like shout out to that prop director, but I, it's just an interesting.
33:43 Pablo Torre? That was an accident.
33:44 Speaker 02 Well, no, I don't think it was an accident.
33:46 Pablo Torre? Catfish being like, you fool.
33:48 Speaker 02 I don't think it definitively tells us that Cold Harbor is going to be baby related.
33:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, I feel like that episode eight is very, you know, when you go to like a super fancy restaurant and the chef is like, and for this course, it's a parsnip steak. And you're like, I would never eat this, but let's see what you got, bro.
34:05 Speaker 02 I'll try it.
34:06 Speaker 03 That's that, this to me is the parsnip steak episode where they're like, what if we did this? I love that. I love imagining a writer's room where they're like, how about this insane thing? And someone goes, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Let's absolutely do that.
34:18 Speaker 02 Yes, but you have to trust the restaurant.
34:21 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly.
34:21 Speaker 02 You can't do it at a gas station.
34:22 Pablo Torre? And to the point of like living in this claustrophobic series of hallways and now like actually exploring the rest of the map.
34:29 Speaker 02 Hmm.
34:29 Pablo Torre? And you're like, oh.
34:30 Speaker 02 Which is named after the people. So you're like, this is, uh, clearly not just in the company, which I think is when we get our most crucial piece of information is when you in the real world are talking about like, I love the little bits that take it out into the, like at the dinner party in season one. Episode two, question mark, um, where they have the non-dinner dinner party, where they're all sitting around, it's all Rickon's intellectualist friends, talking about nothing but saying a lot of words, and they're having a dinnerless dinner, where they focus more on, uh, sating themselves with the conversation, and really digging into each other's brains, instead of being distracted by the food. It's like perfect, that's why I love Rickon as a character, he's perfectly written,
35:16 Speaker 02 his friends suck, and then when Severance comes up, you feel everyone go like, the way like if now, I'm not even gonna quote anything that could come up, but like think of the hot button topics that like make everybody go like, I have an opinion, I wonder what your opinion is, we don't really talk about this. Comes up in conversation, and then you see all these people who like performatively like to show you how smart they are, give their take on, it's very interesting. And then your news report, you hear that it's like might be happening at other companies, there's like other stuff, it's why I watch shows now with the captions on, because sometimes like hearing what the TV is saying in the background, while not crucially important, does add like a context that makes you go, that is what we would do. We would absolutely respond to Severance with something like that.
36:00 Pablo Torre? We're just officially at a point where Michael Cruz Kayne, who is one of the characters you're describing, has no idea what the [bleep] you're talking about.
36:06 Speaker 02 Really?
36:07 Speaker 03 That is, that is totally true. You're at a level of re-watch, but also like of pay attention, that I don't, I don't achieve. Even though I watch Severance, you're very close to like teaching a class on Severance. I think that's the level of-
36:19 Speaker 02 Or writing fanfiction. Oh, god.
36:22 Speaker 03 I don't mean that you would want to.
36:22 Speaker 02 Oh, we can talk about something else, that's mortifying.
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39:57 Speaker 02 What's that?
39:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, great.
39:58 Pablo Torre? Did you guys see Saltburn?
40:00 Speaker 03 I didn't see Saltburn, but I did because of this. I went, I clicked the link to the video of the scene, and I wish I hadn't clicked on it.
40:10 Pablo Torre? Well, Katie-
40:10 Speaker 02 Oh, which scene is it? Was it when he [bleep] the ground?
40:13 Pablo Torre? This scene is, is this scene.
40:15 Speaker 02 Oh, my God! This, you can't show this at work. You can't make me watch this.
40:21 Pablo Torre? And just in case you're not familiar with this video, by the way, this is, in fact, Barry Keoghan sneaking in and drinking the bathwater in the tub that Jacob Elordi's character had just bathed and ejaculated in.
40:48 Speaker 03 He's really-
40:48 Speaker 02 You better be going somewhere with this.
40:50 Speaker 03 He's really-
40:50 Speaker 02 Because what the [bleep]? Why? Why are we?
40:56 Pablo Torre? So I bring that scene up because the bathtub from Saltburn-
41:02 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
41:03 Pablo Torre? -has been purchased by a guy who collects stuff from movies.
41:08 Speaker 03 His name is Pablo Torre.
41:09 Pablo Torre? And a bathtub is here today! We're gonna wheel out the bathtub.
41:14 Speaker 02 Is it, um, I don't wanna call the- Do not play the clip again. I just am at- Did we ever see a-
41:23 Speaker 02 What? No! No! Do we ever see a wide of the- Oh, my God, it's like, look at the texture of it.
41:30 Pablo Torre? It is, the slurping does-
41:32 Speaker 02 Turn it off! Do we ever see the tub? Good night.
41:39 Speaker 03 Good night, mate.
41:39 Speaker 02 Is it like a claw foot?
41:42 Speaker 03 We'll show you.
41:42 Pablo Torre? There you go.
41:42 Speaker 02 Pause, pause.
41:44 Speaker 03 Pause, pause.
41:46 Speaker 02 Legally, you have to pause.
41:48 Pablo Torre? So there's a, there's a wood, sort of like, uh...
41:51 Speaker 02 Well, you think.
41:52 Pablo Torre? Rim, I guess.
41:54 Speaker 02 I can't tell if it's old or new. It's new-ish?
41:56 Pablo Torre? It's definitely game-used, is the point.
41:58 Speaker 02 No, I meant like, um, if that's, what type, what type of, what style of...
42:02 Pablo Torre? Expensive?
42:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:04 Pablo Torre? Expensive. So like, the whole premise of Saltburn is that these guys are doing stuff inside of this estate.
42:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:10 Pablo Torre? In England.
42:11 Speaker 02 That's the whole point?
42:12 Pablo Torre? That's honestly, like, more or less the point.
42:14 Speaker 03 They're like, watching this house or something?
42:16 Speaker 02 Hey, these guys are slurping each other's goo.
42:18 Pablo Torre? In Jacob Lurdi's family, they have this estate.
42:22 Speaker 03 Okay.
42:22 Pablo Torre? And they are...
42:23 Speaker 02 The estate is called Saltburn, I guess?
42:25 Pablo Torre? Yes.
42:25 Speaker 03 And these are like, two buddies?
42:27 Pablo Torre? So, longer, longer story summarized is that Barry Keegan...
42:33 Speaker 02 I think it's just, I thought it was Keegan, but maybe it's...
42:35 Speaker 03 No, I think he's saying it. Say yours again.
42:37 Pablo Torre? Keegan.
42:37 Speaker 03 That's right.
42:38 Pablo Torre? Barry Keegan is a student at the same school, and he gets taken in by Jacob Lurdi, and it's this whole kind of like, difference in class dynamic. But Barry Keegan is also like, this incredible, uh, con man, in other words. Talented Mr. Ripley.
42:55 Speaker 03 Mr. Ripley.
42:56 Pablo Torre? One might even dare say.
42:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:58 Pablo Torre? Anyhow, this guy bought this bathtub for $4,375 in an online auction.
43:03 Speaker 03 Talented Mr. Sip Me? Is that something?
43:05 Speaker 02 Oh, no!
43:08 Speaker 03 Oh, no! No, no, no, no, no!
43:13 Pablo Torre? Sorry, you were saying?
43:17 Pablo Torre? If you weren't sure, that Katie is lightly stoned.
43:20 Speaker 02 God, what?
43:23 Pablo Torre? When people ask Mr. Harvey, this guy's name is, is Mr. Harvey, uh, his first name, I believe, Michael Tile.
43:30 Speaker 03 Steve Harvey?
43:30 Pablo Torre? Oh my god.
43:31 Speaker 03 Bought the tub.
43:33 Pablo Torre? Steve Harvey, uh, that mustache, doing work on that tub.
43:38 Speaker 02 It's like...
43:39 Pablo Torre? When people ask Mr. Harvey what he does with the bathtub, his answer is simple. Quote, "I just look at it," he said. "I'm looking at it right now." Barry Keoghan was right there. "It's so crazy to me," period, end quote.
43:50 Speaker 03 I mean, this is, this dude is a, I mean, if I had to guess, an outwardly, extremely horny guy. Whoever bought this.
43:58 Speaker 02 But he's a movie, if it wasn't a movie collector guy, then I would feel like more so that. But movie collector guy, if he wants to collect all the iconic things from movies, he could power through, you know, how weird that is.
44:14 Speaker 03 It just feels like you've got that thing in your house so someone can say, "What is this?" And you can go, "Have you seen this scene from Saltburn?"
44:19 Speaker 02 But how many, what are the other? Do we know the other, already better than his, if I may? Uh, do we know what other things from what other movies he has?
44:29 Pablo Torre? Other Saltburn memorabilia he bought in the auction.
44:31 Speaker 02 Oh, well, that's different. That's also.
44:33 Pablo Torre? Including a framed photo of Mr. Lardy and Mr. Keoghan.
44:36 Speaker 02 Okay.
44:36 Pablo Torre? And ensembles that the actors wore in the film, uh, which won awards for costume production and design. Uh, also, the bathtub came complete with stains around its drain.
44:44 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
44:46 Speaker 03 Fake stains. Stains like stains.
44:48 Speaker 02 I'd call it a stain. It doesn't, that doesn't tend to.
44:51 Pablo Torre? Designer has said that they were made using edible paint.
44:52 Speaker 02 Stain, okay.
44:53 Speaker 03 Edible paint stains.
44:55 Speaker 02 I just.
44:55 Pablo Torre? You know.
44:56 Speaker 03 In case Keoghan accidentally dislodged some of the stains. They're edible.
44:59 Speaker 02 I don't think you can stain a tub. I'm looking for one of you to take that over. I don't think you can stain a tub with that.
45:03 Pablo Torre? Not with that.
45:04 Speaker 03 I'm not aware of, I'm not aware of, yeah, of the acid content being enough to stain the tub.
45:10 Pablo Torre? Mr. Harvey estimated that he'd acquired about 200 pieces, this is across all of cinema, and that he had paid about $70,000 for all of them. Though a handful had cost him thousands of dollars, most were bought for hundreds of dollars, he said. They include dozens of clothes previously owned by Joe Exotic.
45:27 Speaker 02 No.
45:28 Pablo Torre? Subject of the Netflix documentary series Tiger King. Several outfits worn by Lady Gaga in the film House of Gucci.
45:34 Speaker 02 Okay, sure.
45:34 Pablo Torre? A mask and two vans from the horror movie The Black Phone.
45:38 Speaker 02 Never heard of that.
45:39 Pablo Torre? Not familiar.
45:39 Speaker 02 I don't like horror movies though.
45:40 Pablo Torre? A horse trailer from Twisters.
45:42 Speaker 02 Okay, sick.
45:43 Pablo Torre? And a diner sign from Friday the 13th, one of his favorite horror films.
45:46 Speaker 02 That's cool. That's cool.
45:47 Speaker 03 Okay, so it's kind of all in like a big warehouse?
45:50 Pablo Torre? I- i- in his residence, it seems.
45:52 Speaker 02 Okay, so he's having that moment you described, like 50 times throughout his, and have you ever seen Friday the 13th? This is a sign from that.
46:01 Pablo Torre? There are lots of people who buy at auction props, costumes, from movies, memorabilia. I mean, which is not unfamiliar to anybody who owns like sports memorabilia, of course. Like, this is their version of that. And so who, who, who am I to say that you can't have, in this photograph, a framed, autographed photo of Joe Exotic, I guess?
46:25 Speaker 02 I guess.
46:25 Pablo Torre? I don't know, but...
46:27 Speaker 03 I think the bath, I'm interrupting you. The bathtub is for sex thoughts. That's, you're not getting that. You could get, you could have got all the other [BLEEP] and not got the bathtub.
46:36 Speaker 02 Well, can I make the only argument for it being not for that? And I think it's that it was such a moment of like, everybody was talking about it. Like, it was a very, like, a good or bad. People were like, "Did you see that scene?" That's why Pablo said that scene. "I only happened to have seen the other scene." But you can't buy the grave. You can't buy the grave. They weren't letting you. And so it was like a very talked about, very shocking scene. And so it really, to him, maybe, potentially, I'm not the guy, I'm not Steve Harvey, so I don't know. Maybe he was just like, it's a, look, this is a piece of, like, history.
47:17 Speaker 02 I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong, or even if this is a thing he thought, but it, like, is like a...
47:23 Pablo Torre? Kyle Harvey said, quote, "It's a piece of history."
47:27 Speaker 02 Okay.
47:27 Pablo Torre? That bathtub had TikTok going for days.
47:31 Speaker 02 Did that, that's crazy.
47:32 Speaker 03 That is crazy.
47:33 Pablo Torre? It's crazy because I know you didn't read this.
47:35 Speaker 02 That's, you know I didn't. I didn't even know, did I get to whatever we...
47:38 Speaker 03 It's crazy that you immediately came up with the same excuse that a known sex pervert came up with.
47:44 Speaker 02 And what does that tell ya?
47:45 Speaker 03 Immediately.
47:47 Speaker 02 Right off the top.
47:47 Pablo Torre? Is there anything you guys would want to own from any of your favorite shows?
47:51 Speaker 02 Oh.
47:51 Pablo Torre? Or movies? Like, is there a severance object that you would like? Is there, what, what? So there are some options here, just because I know, for instance, like, our friend David Sampson, here at Metalark Media, is one of these...
48:04 Speaker 02 Your friend.
48:05 Speaker 03 Shout out to my buddy Dave.
48:06 Speaker 02 Your friend.
48:07 Speaker 03 Davy Sampson!
48:08 Speaker 02 Your friend.
48:09 Speaker 03 Mr. Sampson! My man! Ah, the stories I could tell you about Dave, my god, do we have time?
48:17 Pablo Torre? He owns the FedEx box from Castaway.
48:22 Speaker 02 What the [BLEEP]? This is like Darren Revell.
48:25 Speaker 03 Wow.
48:26 Pablo Torre? It's not unlike Darren Revell.
48:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:28 Pablo Torre? He owns the pocket watch from Cast Away.
48:32 Speaker 03 Okay, this is, so he's, we're getting a real Cast Away vibe here.
48:36 Pablo Torre? Uh, he also-
48:37 Speaker 03 He doesn't have Wilson. There's no way he's got Wilson.
48:39 Pablo Torre? He does not have Wilson, but God knows he would love to have Wilson. Helen Hunt was his wife in Cast Away?
48:44 Speaker 02 I've like memory, I've wiped that from my memory completely.
48:47 Pablo Torre? Girlfriend.
48:47 Speaker 02 Sorry. Oh, I'm so sorry.
48:49 Pablo Torre? Um-
48:50 Speaker 02 Nope, not to put any pressure on him. Whenever they're ready, you know?
48:53 Pablo Torre? David Sampson also owns a Will Ferrell's hospital gown from Stranger Than Fiction.
49:00 Speaker 03 Wow.
49:01 Speaker 02 Stranger Than Fiction? Certainly not in Will Ferrell's top five?
49:08 Pablo Torre? Thousand movies?
49:10 Speaker 02 I liked, I liked it too, but I'm still like, that's not what I would have guessed.
49:14 Speaker 03 You're not thinking, you're not, it's not, it's not the first thing that comes to mind.
49:17 Speaker 02 No, and I would argue even the soccer one comes to mind before this.
49:22 Speaker 03 And that's how well you know what that one is, that you call the soccer one.
49:24 Speaker 02 And what is it, Kicking and Screaming?
49:26 Pablo Torre? That's right.
49:27 Speaker 02 It's a pretty low-key good movie. And I say low-key, because I'm young. Let's go to the next.
49:32 Pablo Torre? Speaking of not being young, uh, he owns the teddy bear, uh, from, uh, MASH. This is a Radar's teddy bear.
49:41 Speaker 03 This is so dick.
49:42 Speaker 02 I'm too young to know what that is.
49:43 Speaker 03 This is, this is so dick.
49:44 Speaker 02 Too young to know what that is.
49:45 Pablo Torre? I mean, look at that.
49:46 Speaker 03 It looks, I would say vaguely terrifying.
49:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, I do feel like I had a teddy bear that kinda looked like that with the weird mouth.
49:53 Pablo Torre? That teddy bear does look like it's been drowning in the salt burn tub.
49:56 Speaker 02 Wasn't Ma- okay, why do we gotta go back to it? Why do we gotta go back to it? Is there an HR I can hit up on my way out here today?
50:04 Pablo Torre? There is definitively not.
50:05 Speaker 02 I feel being, I feel I'm being bullied. No! Oh my god, it's so milky!
50:13 Speaker 03 I, I should also say that I also do not want to see that video again.
50:17 Speaker 02 Thank you.
50:18 Speaker 03 Well, I have bad news.
50:19 Speaker 02 It's not just a me thing! So glad my t-shirt's gigantic.
50:25 Pablo Torre? We're not gonna play it anymore.
50:26 Speaker 02 Okay.
50:27 Pablo Torre? Just kidding, we are gonna play it, play it again.
50:33 Speaker 02 It's that noise. You hear the noise and you're like, ah!
50:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, even gonna, I'm gonna have a Pablovian shiver response to just-
50:39 Pablo Torre? A Pablovian.
50:40 Speaker 03 Oh my god, oh god!
50:57 Pablo Torre? What did we find out today?
50:58 Speaker 02 Um, as usual, nothing.
51:00 Pablo Torre? Katie.
51:01 Speaker 02 As usual, nothing.
51:02 Pablo Torre? You always claim that you found out nothing on Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding out stuff. And you inevitably do realize at some point, we found out so much today. So much.
51:13 Speaker 02 Such as?
51:14 Pablo Torre? Such as?
51:15 Speaker 02 Oh, my god!
51:16 Speaker 03 Son of a god!
51:18 Speaker 02 I found out...
51:19 Speaker 03 Son of a [BLEEP].
51:20 Speaker 02 Isn't the safe space I thought it was. [BLEEP] I found out I'm not safe here.
51:28 Pablo Torre? Um, I would like to have us edit into Michael Cruz Kayne's severance scene.
51:35 Speaker 02 Mm.
51:36 Pablo Torre? Footage of Michael Cruz Kayne talking on this episode that Adam Scott is watching. Can we do that?
51:43 Speaker 03 Put it in the TV?
51:44 Pablo Torre? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want this episode to be in the TV that Adam Scott is turning on.
51:48 Speaker 02 And his head is blocking.
51:50 Speaker 03 So my head is still blocked, even in this.
51:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Us two are on the side that you can see.
51:57 Speaker 03 Ben's still gonna listen to this episode of this podcast, call you guys and be like, "It would be funny if you blocked his head." That would be funny if you did that.
52:05 Pablo Torre? Turns off the TV with the remote. End episode.
52:08 Speaker 02 End episode.
52:21 Pablo Torre? Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Avaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Daywig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McCray, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tumanello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo.
52:45 Pablo Torre? And we will talk to you next time.
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