The Summit of Steves: Share & Doppelgänger & Tell (Halloween Edition) with Michael Cruz Kayne and Katie Nolan

What if Steve Kerr met his viral look-alike? Are we safe from the bizarro world? What if David Letterman re-named this podcast? And is our curse on A. I. actually working? Plus: The Rule of the Airplane, Jim Kardashian, Alonzo "Hamburger" Jones... and Molly the Mechanical Bird. • Subscribe to "But Also" https://pod.link/1896895859 with Michael Cruz Kayne • Subscribe to "Casuals" https://pod.link/1788997372 with Katie Nolan • Previously on PTFO: We Cast Spells with a Real-Life Witch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkq3vFmk7mY Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Pablo Torre?

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• 1:50Speaker 01

  Steve, we finally meet.

• 1:54Pablo Torre?

  Right after this.

• 2:01Pablo Torre?

  Hello.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  Hello. Am I Alyssa Lu?

• 2:05Pablo Torre?

  Well, there goes that surprise.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. Whee. Hi Pablo, and what are you?

• 2:11Pablo Torre?

  I'm, uh...

• 2:13Speaker 04

  Gladiator?

• 2:14Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, okay. A little, a little more timely, given movies that were released this year.

• 2:22Speaker 03

  The Odyssey, not Damon.

• 2:24Pablo Torre?

  Did you got... I mean, if only.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  I know, I say that every time I come here.

• 2:29Speaker 04

  Achilles.

• 2:30Pablo Torre?

  Did you guys not see The Odyssey?

• 2:32Speaker 03

  I actually didn't, but I did see...

• 2:33Speaker 04

  Agamemnon.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  You have to see this. You must see... You can see everything. I just saw that.

• 2:37Speaker 04

  Oh, I saw that too.

• 2:38Pablo Torre?

  But you didn't see the one that were dressed that I'm...

• 2:39Speaker 03

  No, and so I would guess it's Odysseus. You're Odysseus.

• 2:44Pablo Torre?

  No.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Ajax.

• 2:46Pablo Torre?

  No.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:47Speaker 04

  Telemachus.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  I like the rest, the wrist stuff.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  Aren't you impressed by how many I know?

• 2:51Speaker 03

  I am.

• 2:51Pablo Torre?

  There is one Asian guy in the movie.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Oh, there is?

• 2:55Pablo Torre?

  Will Yun-Lee is actually his name.

• 2:58Speaker 03

  There is an Asian guy in The Odyssey? I don't remember that part.

• 3:01Pablo Torre?

  For some people in our audience, this is an amazing costume. For you guys...

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, you should have probably checked the... Read the room, bro.

• 3:07Speaker 04

  Who does Will Yun-Lee play?

• 3:09Pablo Torre?

  There's an Asian guy in The Odyssey, whose whole deal is, they've all inserted wax into their ears because of the sirens.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cersei, is that Cersei?

• 3:18Pablo Torre?

  No, she's another character. But the sirens are on the rocks, and this guy takes out the wax, because he wants to hear the song, and he dives overboard.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Not gonna go good for you. Take the wax out, buddy.

• 3:33Pablo Torre?

  Because he wants to hang out with white women. And that's the... As portrayed.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Who doesn't?

• 3:39Speaker 04

  Sort of like the classic foible.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  Not doing that right at all.

• 3:42Pablo Torre?

  Katie is putting on a bald cap.

• 3:44Speaker 03

  A wig cap.

• 3:45Pablo Torre?

  So far, this Halloween episode edition of the show is going great. Everybody definitely gets the references.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  Now, did you?

• 3:50Speaker 04

  But you knew who you were right away.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  Careful, you guys might like this too much. Yeah, because who else has hair like this?

• 3:54Pablo Torre?

  Katie clocked the hair.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:57Pablo Torre?

  And there's a medal, which Katie also has in real life, from being a junior Olympian.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  Although I've lost it.

• 4:02Pablo Torre?

  Really?

• 4:03Speaker 03

  I brought it to the set of all the shows I've worked on, and every set has been like, "I won't lose it", and then they've lost them. I think, I don't think I have them anymore. Oh, should I be talking into this thing?

• 4:11Pablo Torre?

  Could you put on the medal, please?

• 4:13Speaker 04

  Could you please put on the medal?

• 4:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, hello, you guys. I'm just trying to get into... There's no other component to it, huh? There doesn't have to be.

• 4:20Pablo Torre?

  That's mostly it, I think.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  What other components were you hoping for?

• 4:23Speaker 03

  I don't know, one of the sparkly costumes. Something to make me feel beautiful.

• 4:27Pablo Torre?

  Um, do we... Wanna guess what Michael is, Katie?

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Are you an angel in the outfield?

• 4:31Pablo Torre?

  Well, Katie is Alyssa Lu, we've established that. Michael is... No guesses. You live in the same borough.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  Who lives in Brooklyn? Well, of course, there's a Brooklyn Angel boy.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Okay, maybe you could tell it to us. What?

• 4:41Pablo Torre?

  Michael's this.

• 4:43Speaker 04

  Oh, the bird. I love the bird.

• 4:46Pablo Torre?

  You're the bird.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Did I miss an episode?

• 4:48Speaker 04

  There's no way you don't know about the bird.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  I didn't miss it. I know about the bird. Sorry. I've never seen a picture of it. I'm busy.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  I'm busy skating, and etc.

• 4:56Pablo Torre?

  Katie Nolan had wax in her ears during all of two weeks ago.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  Speaking of which, neither of us have headphones on. Should we... Should we get to that?

• 5:02Pablo Torre?

  I feel like this is incredibly effective so far.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  I went to an event the other day, and I know, crazy. Let's hold for applause.

• 5:27Speaker 04

  Wait, an event?

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got invited to something, and I said, "Yeah", and then I followed through, and I went to it. And so I was pretty proud of that. And the guy who was working the door was like, "I love you on Pablo's show", and I said, "Oh, I... It's so funny, because on Pablo's show, I always feel like he does such a great job, and then, and then Michael and I show up for like a goof-off, [BLEEP] off episode", so I figured fans of Pablo's show... And he goes, "No, that's why I like it", and I was like, "Hell, yeah."

• 5:50Pablo Torre?

  Was the guy you met, this guy?

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Are you familiar with something called the Pablo Torre, Where's Pablo podcast?

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Pablo Torre has this podcast, Where's Pablo? And it's very good.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  He's won awards, recently won the Ed Murrow Award for reporting and journalism. And I happened to watch it today, and I was thinking, if Barbara were here, I would encourage her to either have Pablo Torre on this program or to make her program more like the Pablo Torre program.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Where's Pablo?

• 6:25Pablo Torre?

  This is what Dave Letterman, I think, is interested in.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Hi, Dave.

• 6:29Speaker 04

  This content. What is that that I just...

• 6:32Pablo Torre?

  That is David Letterman's YouTube channel.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 6:34Pablo Torre?

  And how dare you not know that as a former resident of the same building, that David Letterman...

• 6:39Speaker 04

  I love, worship, and adore David Letterman.

• 6:41Pablo Torre?

  You are both alumni of the Ed Sullivan Theater.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're sort of in the same category. People think of us in the same breath.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  For me, for certain. Sorry.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  For me, for certain.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  For me, for certain.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  I just hadn't seen that set before.

• 6:51Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  You called us in here to show us that Dave Letterman likes your show.

• 6:55Speaker 04

  And that's the episode.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  That's awesome. Spooky. Very spooky.

• 6:59Pablo Torre?

  It's a spooky time.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:01Pablo Torre?

  By the way, speaking of Halloween costumes, did you guys see Bizarro Steve Kerr?

• 7:05Speaker 03

  I did, and I saw Steve Kerr see the Steve Kerr.

• 7:10Pablo Torre?

  Warriors Lakers. And he's wearing a quarter zip and athletic pants, and...

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Looks just like Steve Kerr. And then watch this.

• 7:18Pablo Torre?

  His haircut is the same.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  He sees him, and he goes, "Is that... Is that me?" It's a beautiful moment.

• 7:25Speaker 04

  It's like his looper.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  But from not even that, like, from a week ago.

• 7:30Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A week ago, Steve. Needs to stop. Present-day Steve.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Guys, I don't know, what do we think about bangs?

• 7:38Speaker 04

  Um...

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Oh, wow, that's... So that's as close to a no as you get to your friend.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  I think actually great. I think it's really fun.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  Okay. I just can't tell if I'm wearing it right or wrong, and I'm just gonna get clowned in the comments.

• 7:49Pablo Torre?

  Well, I think, as you contemplate being Alyssa Lu's doppelganger, I want to give you a little more detail on the other Steve.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  Oh, please.

• 7:57Pablo Torre?

  So, other Steve's name, also Steve.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  Holy...

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Something's going on there.

• 8:04Pablo Torre?

  His name is Steve Gillis.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:06Pablo Torre?

  He's an English teacher, it turns out, at Bishop Gorman High School in Las Vegas.

• 8:10Speaker 04

  BG.

• 8:11Pablo Torre?

  Other Steve, also a coach, it turns out. He's a youth volleyball coach, on the staff of the US Men's National Team. He's like a legit head coach. And he also agreed to take my call earlier today.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 8:25Pablo Torre?

  Thanks for joining us, noted Steve Kerr doppelganger, Steve Gillis.

• 8:29Speaker 05

  This is the best part of my day, talking to someone cool that knows sports, because I could talk any sport, anytime, any day, or Hemingway, or Shakespeare. Wherever you want to go, Pablo.

• 8:40Pablo Torre?

  Look, I'm not, I... I'm not here to tell you what to do, or how to dress, or how to cut your hair, which happens to be in the style of Steve Kerr to such a degree that it makes me think that you bring a photo of Steve Kerr into the barber shop and say, "I would like to look like, like myself", but what, you know... The hair feels like a bit of a tell, you know? I'm just saying.

• 9:09Speaker 05

  Fair.

• 9:11Pablo Torre?

  So, so one of the things I need to tell you-

• 9:12Speaker 03

  Did he say fair?

• 9:13Pablo Torre?

  Fair. One of the things I need to tell you about other Steve is that other Steve is very insistent that he's not trying to look like Steve Kerr.

• 9:20Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  That it's just happening.

• 9:22Pablo Torre?

  He's not dressing up like him, he's not wearing the same haircut, not wearing all these sort of like coaching outfits because Steve Kerr does it. And I did not believe him.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  That came through.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  That really came across.

• 9:36Pablo Torre?

  And, and it occurred to me as you saw the background, did you-

• 9:38Speaker 03

  I see pictures. I assume it was a family.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  It's like a mosaic of almost postcard sized pictures.

• 9:42Pablo Torre?

  Yep, so this turns out to be the other Steve's classroom.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 9:47Pablo Torre?

  He's at school. And this figured out during our conversation.

• 9:52Speaker 05

  We have a five minute passing period, right? And a kid will walk in with his phone, because kids had to have phones here, except when they put them back in their backpack and exit, right? They are, it's, it's full of confiscation here, which is a great thing.

• 10:05Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  But then when they take their phone and they walk out, I've had six kids that have, I don't even teach them, and they walk in and go, "Hey, Mr. Gillis, can we take a quick selfie?" And I say, "No, we can't, because you need to get to class and go." And so, I have actually kind of squashed the topic summarily-

• 10:24Pablo Torre?

  Yeah?

• 10:24Speaker 05

  -here at school, because I've got a job to do and it does not include anything with, with Steve Kerr, unfortunately. I wish I could, but that's not my way of getting paid. I gotta talk Shakespeare today.

• 10:37Pablo Torre?

  He's an English teacher as well.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  It's like I'm talking to Steve Kerr. I honestly, even the way he goes, "Right, so..." Walking out in the hallway and here's what happened. I'm like, "Okay, Steve Kerr."

• 10:45Speaker 04

  And when he tilts his head downward a little bit, it's really Steve Kerr.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  You notice when he was first doing the interview, it was a little like this. "Hello, Pablo." It was a side profile a bit.

• 10:56Pablo Torre?

  To quote Shakespeare, "He thinks the Steve Kerr doth protest too much."

• 10:59Speaker 04

  Mmm, well done, well done. What's in a name? A Steve by any other-

• 11:03Speaker 03

  A Steve, a Kerr by any other name would smell just as sweet.

• 11:06Pablo Torre?

  Well, also, would sound, to Katie's point, like [BLEEP] Steve Kerr.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, he does, he does.

• 11:12Pablo Torre?

  Has anyone told you that you kind of sound like Steve Kerr?

• 11:16Speaker 05

  No, I've never heard that. And I don't know him well enough to know if that's true. To me, that, that's complimentary. I don't know if it's true, I doubt it is, but I, I don't know if that's to be true.

• 11:28Pablo Torre?

  I might be a bit spooky around these times, maybe I'm just like caught in, in a certain spell here. I do want to point out that I found it very funny, though, that when you showed up at that game, you were wearing like a quarter zip and athletic pants.

• 11:41Speaker 05

  I'm a coach.

• 11:42Pablo Torre?

  Oh, okay. Touche.

• 11:43Speaker 05

  No, let me build that one out, because it's a fair suggestion, like, were you angling? Were you trying? I'm the guy that films it and watches timeouts, and I watch how people that are great at their craft communicate to their players. I could show you probably 20 either pictures or a quick little video of timeouts and pregame, and watching how they interact.

• 12:09Pablo Torre?

  So you're saying you're watching all coaches, not just the coach that you happen to look disturbingly like?

• 12:14Speaker 05

  Correct, 100%.

• 12:16Pablo Torre?

  Steve Kerr, I mean, sorry, Steve Gillis, is very, very insistent that, "Am I taping Steve Kerr?" Yes.

• 12:25Pablo Torre?

  "Am I taping other people?" Very importantly-

• 12:27Speaker 03

  Also, yes.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  Also, yes.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:29Pablo Torre?

  Also, yes. And one of the things that I was doing was watching the video on loop of Steve Gillis, because at some point, what do you notice?

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Beer.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  Something else in his hand, a jersey?

• 12:46Speaker 04

  It almost sounds like a hard case.

• 12:48Pablo Torre?

  I also noticed that in one hand is the beer, in the other hand, seemed to be something quite interesting for Mr. Gillis.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  Huh.

• 12:59Pablo Torre?

  A follow-up question?

• 13:00Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 13:01Pablo Torre?

  You were holding something in your hand-

• 13:04Speaker 05

  Steve Kerr's jersey, his 25.

• 13:08Pablo Torre?

  So what the [BLEEP] are we doing here, Steve?

• 13:11Speaker 05

  Well, you're, you're, you're at a Catholic prep school environment, Pablo. Please, please mind your tongue.

• 13:16Pablo Torre?

  As, as a Jesuit educated individual, I, I retract.

• 13:19Speaker 05

  Jesuit, look at you!

• 13:21Pablo Torre?

  Don't distract from the question, sir!

• 13:24Speaker 05

  You clearly didn't take, Pablo!

• 13:26Pablo Torre?

  This is not about me and our God, this is about the truth. Why is the guy who detests being Steve Kerr, holding Steve Kerr's jersey, with feet separating him from Steve Kerr?

• 13:37Speaker 05

  A dear friend. And he happens to be in the media business, and that's as much as I can say. Dear, dear friend, gave me that jersey, and I've coached his daughter, gave me that jersey as a gift after I coached his daughter. And it's been hanging up in my closet, and I took it because, you know what? In the off chance at a preseason game, in the off chance that I might be able to see Coach Kerr.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  I did have a Sharpie in my pocket as well.

• 14:13Pablo Torre?

  Oh, man.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Sick. Good question.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  He's got great seats.

• 14:17Speaker 03

  That color on you is very nice.

• 14:19Pablo Torre?

  The orange?

• 14:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:20Pablo Torre?

  Thank you.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:21Pablo Torre?

  For Halloween, my Halloween jacket.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  The autumn really brings it out of you.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  Steve Gillis got great seats to that game. Are we talking about that? Was he just, he's just, was he rolling in it or what?

• 14:31Pablo Torre?

  Very noticeable as well.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:33Pablo Torre?

  Dude has really good-

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Seats.

• 14:37Pablo Torre?

  Very close proximity-

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 14:39Pablo Torre?

  -to the guy that he says he's not necessarily trying to be by, except he has all this stuff.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  The man whose life he's trying to steal.

• 14:45Pablo Torre?

  Trying to talented Mr. -talented Mr. Kerr. Steve Kerr. He also wanted to say, I asked him like, "So have you made eye contact with Steve Kerr?" And he said, "Well, it's sort of like, you know..."

• 14:58Speaker 04

  "I can't because there'd be a rip in the space-time continuum."

• 15:01Speaker 03

  They say that's against the rules.

• 15:04Pablo Torre?

  He did say that he has gotten eye to eye, Nathan Fielder Elizabeth Holmes style, with Steph Curry.

• 15:11Speaker 05

  And what it told me about Steph Curry is what a professional he is, because he does-

• 15:18Pablo Torre?

  He mentioned that he had an experience with this guy.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Federer, beautiful.

• 15:26Speaker 03

  Do we think Federer absolutely thought that was just Steve Kerr?

• 15:29Pablo Torre?

  Absolutely.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's no way he was like, "Oh, you're that guy who kind of looks like Steve Kerr." He probably said, "Steve Kerr, let's take a picture."

• 15:35Speaker 04

  I think it's possible that Federer is omniscient and did know. That Federer was like, Federer is also like unstuck in time, and was like, "This is the guy that looks exactly like Steve Kerr."

• 15:45Pablo Torre?

  We had to fact check this. I have this photo of you with Roger Federer, and he looks thrilled.

• 15:51Speaker 05

  Oh, this is the best. This is the best story of the night. My all-time favorite athlete is Roger Federer. I'm not a tennis guy, I'm a tennis hack, I'm a sport fan across any platform, sport, you name it, I love it. But I've loved Roger, he's number one, number two is Steph, because both of them exemplified to me what a modern, brilliant athlete is. Family is first, they have achieved the highest levels of their craft, and everything they do is seemingly Van Gogh or Rembrandt.

• 16:32Speaker 05

  So, I'm walking out, I'm holding my phone, kind of like right here, and I'm with my daughter, and Roger Federer had courtside seats there, and I didn't know he was there, because he was seen on the, on the big screen, and he's there right next to Joe Lacob and wife, and they walk up, and somehow Joe Lacob got kind of separated from, from Roger, I think, and Roger takes the phone off my chest and turns and takes a picture and says, "Thank you." He puts his arm around me, does like a double pat.

• 17:04Pablo Torre?

  Oh!

• 17:05Speaker 05

  It was a double pat.

• 17:07Pablo Torre?

  The double pat?

• 17:08Speaker 05

  You interpret it how you want, but clearly, there was some mistake in recognition of what the situation was. I'll take that because I just got a picture with my favorite athlete of all time, and I didn't even bargain for it.

• 17:23Pablo Torre?

  You felt no need to disclose that you're not the guy that Roger Federer maybe thought you were?

• 17:29Speaker 05

  It was nine seconds, a, a whole cluster of people are going back and forth, I am, I'm usually not at a massive loss for words, as you can see, but in that moment, all I could do is say, "Thank you."

• 17:44Pablo Torre?

  Federer thought he was Steve Kerr.

• 17:47Pablo Torre?

  And didn't disclose it.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  I wouldn't either. What an uncomfortable conversation to have.

• 17:51Pablo Torre?

  What are the responsibilities around a doppelganger?

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Well, this is kind of fun, because did you guys ever see the Taylor Swift stuff? There's a girl who's like, just Ashley, I believe is what she goes by, because people would always freak out that it was her, that it was Taylor Swift when she would show up places, and I think at one point when somebody chased her down, she said very famously like, "No, just Ashley." There's also an Ariana Grande one.

• 18:11Pablo Torre?

  Paige Neiman is the other Ariana Grande.

• 18:14Speaker 04

  We should get them all together. Fake Steve, fake Ariana, and fake Taylor Swift. We could do a lot of crimes, but there are a lot of crimes we could do.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Didn't Old Navy get in trouble once for using a Kim Kardashian doppelganger to sell their clothing? I believe they went to court over this.

• 18:30Pablo Torre?

  Oh my God, yes.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  Jim Kardashian.

• 18:33Pablo Torre?

  Kim Kardashian filed a $20 million lawsuit against Old Navy and its parent company, The Gap Incorporated, in July 2011 over a commercial titled "Super CUTE."

• 18:52Speaker 03

  I believe the allegation was like, "This looks so much like me, that if you didn't know it wasn't me, it's basically an endorsement that I never gave."

• 19:00Speaker 04

  Doesn't seem right.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  It doesn't seem right, but I-

• 19:02Pablo Torre?

  Melissa Molinaro is the brunette reality star in that ad.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  She is a reality star?

• 19:07Pablo Torre?

  Apparently.

• 19:08Speaker 04

  You might know her from the Kardashians.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Keeping up with the Kardashians, it's just her trying to be them?

• 19:12Pablo Torre?

  She's perhaps best known for reality TV appearances on Making the Band 3 and Pussy Cat Dolls Present: "Colin, the search for the next doll."

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Which I obviously watched every episode of, so how did I miss this?

• 19:22Pablo Torre?

  She co-starred in Dolph Lundgren's action film Command Performance.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  Which we saw together in theaters.

• 19:27Pablo Torre?

  And had a major role in Honey 2.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  Honey 2!

• 19:30Speaker 03

  Honey 2 happened?

• 19:33Speaker 03

  I thought, honey, people went like, eh.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  Dude, honestly, I can't make fun of that. That's great.

• 19:37Speaker 03

  No. What I want to know is, what does it, what does it, so she did win, didn't she? Kim won.

• 19:42Pablo Torre?

  Kim Kardashian, this is the headline from the Hollywood Reporter. Settles lawsuit over look-alike in Old Navy ad, parentheses, exclusive. The reality TV star sued last year for $20 million in litigation that became personal. Yeah. Damn.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  So don't go looking like Kim Kardashian. It's gonna get harder as everyone's face starts to look more and more the same.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, when you go to the place and you request that face.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  So that's gonna get real dicey, I feel, in recent upcoming years. Oh, something to look forward to.

• 20:12Pablo Torre?

  We will get to that.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Wee.

• 20:14Pablo Torre?

  The Bizarros, though, the doppelgangers, yeah, this is a, it's a whole industry. Katie has an encyclopedic knowledge of many of them, apparently.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, you do know a lot of, a lot of doppelgangers.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  I bump into stuff on the internet, what can I say?

• 20:26Pablo Torre?

  What I wanted to do was eventually let Steve Gillis get back to teaching.

• 20:32Pablo Torre?

  Now that I've done the background check, I'm on your side and I want this to be as uncreepy as possible, but as truthful as possible.

• 20:40Speaker 05

  And don't say the word creepy, please.

• 20:42Pablo Torre?

  We're gonna, we're gonna workshop it. There is at the end here, Mr. Steve Gillis, there is a Shakespeare quote that, of course, I think of, and it is Hamlet, it is Act One, it is Scene Three, and it begins, "This above all, to thine own self..."

• 21:01Speaker 05

  Be true.

• 21:03Pablo Torre?

  If I put you and the other Steve on a group chat.

• 21:08Speaker 05

  Yes, 100% Pablo.

• 21:11Pablo Torre?

  Okay, okay.

• 21:13Speaker 05

  If he's willing, of course.

• 21:15Pablo Torre?

  We're gonna find out together if he's willing. We're gonna find out together. Yeah, I mean, we're just gonna, we're just gonna add him and see what happens.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 21:24Pablo Torre?

  What are the ethics around putting Steve Kerr on a group chat against his will with...

• 21:29Speaker 03

  You violated them. That is not...

• 21:31Pablo Torre?

  Presume that is against his will. Maybe he's open to it.

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Maybe, but that's not, you ask. You don't just presume consent. You ask for it and then you give them the number.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  No, Steve Gillis is chill. You could do it. You could do it.

• 21:44Pablo Torre?

  It's the rule of Steve's.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  Other, other Steve is chill as hell. You could do it.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  I bet they would get along if you added me to a group chat and said, "Hey, Katie, just tossing you in here with a gal who pretends to be you at Games..." "...who might creep you out." I would go, "Well, now, even if I don't like this, they have my number."

• 22:02Pablo Torre?

  But couldn't Steve Kerr have use for the other Steve?

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Yes, which is why you could ask Steve Kerr if he'd be interested, and I will say, in my limited interaction with Steve Kerr, I bet he'd be fine with it. Ask him, though.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  You don't have to ask him.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  You gotta ask him!

• 22:16Speaker 04

  Man, you can just do it. And Steve Kerr, if you, if you have a problem with it later on, you can come back. I'll tell you what, you can blame Katie. It's Katie's fault.

• 22:24Pablo Torre?

  So I'm gonna go open up the window.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Steve Kerr called me funny once.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  He did?

• 22:27Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  Well, that's nice.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:29Pablo Torre?

  Are you sure it was Steve Kerr?

• 22:30Speaker 04

  Were you doing something funny on purpose?

• 22:32Speaker 03

  I think so. I think he was being funny. Yeah, he was a guest on my show and he, I, we had, he was on, um, remote, and then when he got up to walk away, he was like, "She's really funny," as he was leaving, and I was like, "Leave that in."

• 22:41Pablo Torre?

  Yep.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  I said, "Leave that in." Bye, thanks.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, she's a riot. You know what would be fun, I think, I do think Steve Kerr's the kind of guy who would think this was chill. I think you should put his number in the comments of this.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:53Pablo Torre?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  Just put it down there.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Put it on [bleep] screen.

• 22:55Pablo Torre?

  So I want to workshop, what should the opening text be?

• 22:58Speaker 04

  "Hello, Steves," something like that.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  "Steves, I've gathered you here."

• 23:02Speaker 04

  "Ahoy, Steves."

• 23:09Pablo Torre?

  Look, for legal reasons, I suppose, this is where I should probably disclose that I myself have a doppelganger. I know what it's like. My doppelganger actually became a friend eventually in real life, so shout out to actor and comedian and writer Andrew Lopez, who you may recall from his transcendent performance in The Bear, and also from this very studio. Bro, we [bleep] rock, dude.

• 23:34Pablo Torre?

  But that, in the end, isn't exactly how my new group chat with Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr went, because it turns out that I had no idea how Steve K felt about Steve G, whether Steve K agreed in the first place that Vegas-area English teacher Steve G even looked like him, and it also occurred to me, after adding both Steve K and Steve G to said group chat, that the Steves still needed proof that neither Steve was getting scammed.

• 24:14Pablo Torre?

  Hello, Steve K and Steve G. This is Pablo Torre, not an AI depiction of Pablo Torre, and I just want to formally welcome you once again to the Summit of Steves. Which finally led to proof of life from Steve K.

• 24:37Speaker 06

  Thanks for the verification, Pablo, and, um, Steve, we finally meet.

• 24:47Pablo Torre?

  And if you're now wondering how Steve G replied to this, well... Hey, guys. It's a, uh, it's an honor to, uh, to be part of this, uh, the summit, the Steve Summit, and, uh, uh, my boys are still out here shooting. This is the damage. Probably something that happens all the time at the Kerr house. The boys roughing it up, going crazy, huh? Anyway, Pablo, thanks for making this happen. Steve, honor is mine, and I hope someday we might get a little bit closer than, uh, than a couple states away. Hope you guys are doing well. Have a good night. See ya.

• 25:26Pablo Torre?

  And from there, the Steves were off to the races on their own. There was Steve G on his couch in front of a broken window slat that his older son had allegedly shattered after missing his younger brother's head, and there was Steve K on his couch, asking, quote, "Hey, Steve, has anyone ever told you that you are a stunningly handsome man?" The whole thing was the closest thing I have ever seen to the real-life Spider-Man meme, which I did, of course, send them in animated gif form. And, you know, I must now admit,

• 26:06Pablo Torre?

  I had come to this thing kind of worried, you know, like a parent supervising a playdate, worried how this group chat might feel. Would it be awkward? Would it be creepy? Would anyone be tempted to litigate, especially for nine-time NBA champion Steve K?

• 26:26Pablo Torre?

  What the Summit of Steves has instead become is the most active group chat in my phone. I'm not exaggerating. Someone told me, Steve K typed at one point, that with 8 billion people on the planet, the odds are that we all have four doppelgangers. No idea if this is true, but what are the chances of two of those four actually meeting? Steve K then texted a screenshot of his iPhone. "Steve," Steve K continued, "you're now in my address book."

• 27:07Pablo Torre?

  And there, the other Steve was in Steve K's phone underneath the word "doppelganger," which then led to Steve G sending a screenshot from his iPhone address book, and there, the other Steve was underneath the words "nine-ring version."

• 27:30Pablo Torre?

  When I last left the Steves, you should know, they were plotting to both go to the same voting place on Election Day, Tuesday, for the midterms, in order to create the illusion of voter fraud. They both agreed over text to do this.

• 27:51Pablo Torre?

  I still have no idea if they were joking, but I guess on Tuesday, we will find out.

• 28:08Pablo Torre?

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• 29:48Pablo Torre?

  Do you guys remember what we, oh, I guess Katie wasn't on the show, but do you remember what we did last year for Halloween?

• 29:54Speaker 04

  Last year for Halloween?

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Hamburger? If I wasn't on the show and you guys did it, it was hamburger.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  I wore a hamburger outfit.

• 29:59Pablo Torre?

  Michael was dressed as?

• 30:01Speaker 04

  Hamburger?

• 30:01Pablo Torre?

  Hamburger.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Hamburg. Hamburg.

• 30:05Pablo Torre?

  Shout out to Alonzo Jones, who continues to ignore all of my texts.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Are you texting him too much? Are you putting him on group chats he didn't consent to?

• 30:13Speaker 04

  He's on a chat with Steve Gillis.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Paulo's working up the Steve Kerr.

• 30:18Pablo Torre?

  This is what networking is, I think, is connecting Alonzo Jones and Bizarro Steve Kerr. We had Michael Cruz Kane as Hamburger. What was I? Oh, I was, I was, I was a tree. I was a haunted tree. It was still, we were still doing the aspiration stuff.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Bet Kawaii thought that was hilarious.

• 30:33Pablo Torre?

  And, and we had in Katie's seat, who?

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Wait, the witch?

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Name a person.

• 30:37Speaker 04

  The witch? Was it the witch?

• 30:39Pablo Torre?

  Alexa Roseanne.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  The witch.

• 30:41Pablo Torre?

  For those who don't remember what we did.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Oh goddess Fortuna, we ask you to protect the fate of mankind and to turn the fortune of AI, cause it to slip up and fail so that it cannot harm humanity.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  So mote it be.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  So mote it be.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  So mote it be. Do you guys want to add any words to that?

• 31:17Pablo Torre?

  May humans masturbate the old fashioned way.

• 31:22Speaker 03

  Amen. So mote it be.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  And that's beautiful.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  That is beautiful.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  So mote it be. And, you know, may, uh, may humans reign over technology and not the reverse.

• 31:36Pablo Torre?

  So mote it be.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  I have no spells vis a vis masturbating myself. I have not, I'm not, that's not for me.

• 31:45Speaker 03

  So mote it be.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  So mote it be.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  I love the way she went like, yes. Yes.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  Yes, clock that too.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  So mote it be. She was like, yes, finally someone says it.

• 31:54Pablo Torre?

  That is the Village Voice recognized, uh, greatest witch in New York City.

• 31:59Speaker 04

  Number one witch in the world or something.

• 32:00Pablo Torre?

  Number one witch.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  I, I loved her. She was great.

• 32:02Pablo Torre?

  The best.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  She seems, I'm a little upset I wasn't here for it.

• 32:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:06Pablo Torre?

  But we had to put ingredients in to the thing.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  And, and we almost didn't dispose of the thing properly.

• 32:12Pablo Torre?

  Correct. There were.

• 32:13Speaker 04

  There were shenanigans out there.

• 32:14Pablo Torre?

  It was like, if you do this an eighth time, like everything goes bad.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  Well, you had to be disposive at the bottom of like a live tree or something. And then I went out there to leave and the [BLEEP]. I forget who was here, but they're [BLEEP] putting it, just gonna throw it out. I was like, are you guys [BLEEP] nuts?

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Have you seen the movie?

• 32:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, hello? Do what the witch says.

• 32:33Speaker 03

  That's right. Within reason.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  Wild.

• 32:36Pablo Torre?

  So, one year later,

• 32:40Pablo Torre?

  I think it kind of worked.

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah? In what way?

• 32:45Speaker 03

  What happened with AI?

• 32:46Pablo Torre?

  AI has seemingly malfunction continuously.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  Yes, that's true.

• 32:52Pablo Torre?

  The headline I'm reading is from Axios. Unvetted AI agents are accessing US bank accounts.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  I heard they were making fake websites that looked exactly like the real website so that when you put your credit card information into that website, it would just take it.

• 33:06Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  And I didn't love, I gotta be honest, you guys. I didn't love that.

• 33:11Speaker 04

  I don't think that's what I meant to wish for, if that's what's happening.

• 33:14Pablo Torre?

  Did you mean to wish for AI finding a bug that puts up to 70% of the world's websites at risk?

• 33:19Speaker 03

  That's the one I was thinking of. That's 70% is the one that I was thinking of. Yeah.

• 33:23Speaker 04

  I know. I think AI, it, they can do something good, right? Isn't it possible that it could look at your X-ray and be like, oh, the doctor missed this? But instead they're like, we're, we've made a picture of a unicorn with 12 [BLEEP]. And it's like, why did you do that? Why did you do that? I didn't want you to do that.

• 33:41Pablo Torre?

  The New York Post from this month as well. Bricklayer, comma, 49, comma, travels 1,200 miles for a dream girl, only to discover she's AI generated.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  That makes me sad.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  That's tough.

• 33:56Speaker 03

  That makes me sad, but it's like you, and then sometimes they'll show you the evidence of like, this is the conversation they had and you go, oh, I would have clocked that right away.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Wouldn't I?

• 34:04Speaker 03

  And then I feel bad going like, you should have clocked that. But it's not gonna get easier. It's only gonna get harder. You know how many old people are getting scammed by like, come on, Brad Pitt's in a, in a hospital bed texting me every day. I have to send him $70,000 because they can't conceive of a world.

• 34:22Pablo Torre?

  And why would they?

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Exactly. Why would they go, someone's gonna use this technology to pretend to be the hottest actor I always wanted to love me and make it.

• 34:31Pablo Torre?

  Steve Kerr is sending me nudes.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  But that actually is Steve Kerr sending me nudes because you've given me his phone number.

• 34:41Pablo Torre?

  This is where we are as I look at another headline that simply says from, uh, Germany, quote, police sees robot that groped 16-year-old girl. We're living at a time in which technology is malfunctioning.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 34:54Pablo Torre?

  And yet

• 34:56Pablo Torre?

  it does it. I don't, I don't think it's really had the effect that we wished for when we cast the spell.

• 35:01Speaker 04

  So we started hoping it would stop.

• 35:02Pablo Torre?

  We would hope, we were hoping that all of these things would accumulate and cause some sort of like stop or pause.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  A robot groped a girl?

• 35:10Pablo Torre?

  German authorities opened an investigation into possible sexual harassment after a robot controlled by two young men touched the buttocks of a 16-year-old girl.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  Okay, controlled by two young men. So it's two, it's two young men. This, that's the problem. The problem is who's in charge of all of this is two young men. Two young men are running the whole thing.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  Shall I do my short program now? Have we reached the part where I do my short program?

• 35:35Speaker 04

  What's your figure skating level?

• 35:37Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 35:38Speaker 04

  Like how good are you at figure skating?

• 35:39Speaker 03

  Katie, sorry, I mean, I was.

• 35:41Speaker 04

  Not the character.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  Trying to be method, but okay. Um, zero.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  Zero.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  It's not good. I, uh, I only ever wore hockey skates. And, um, and I wasn't very good at that either. And then when I put them on again recently, I'm talking 10 years ago, but like since wearing them as a kid, thinking it'd be like a bike and they'd come right back, it didn't. I got weak ankles and I never was figure, I never figure skat.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  I went figure skating with, nope, I went figure skating with my wife because it's something she wanted to do and I wanted to be there for her to do that. And it turned out she was like a [BLEEP] gazelle in the woods.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Oh, beautiful. Of course she was.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Everywhere, beautiful. I am clutching for dear life to the edge, to the edge of the thing. And like even clutching, I'm, I'm like

• 36:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  Doing this kind of thing all the time. It was exhausting and stressful.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  So much of it is letting go and going like, I'm gonna fall, but I gotta feel free. Cause once you get going

• 36:34Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  fast and you're like, the wind is in my hair. I could never run this fast. And you're taking corners and then when you go and you stop, you're like, there's nothing, I'm so powerful.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  I had a thought of trying that and then a guy got gurnied off the ice where, when I was like, oh, it's not worth it.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, you could really, you could do a lot of damage to your tailbone.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Just by falling real hard on it on the ice a couple of times. My brother's a beautiful skater. My brother's good at skating.

• 37:01Pablo Torre?

  My favorite thing is now, cause Violet is six, is that she's like still young enough for me to need to like, you know, kind of keep her upright. But I'm really using her as support.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  Secretly, she's a walker.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  That's really funny.

• 37:14Pablo Torre?

  She's a walker.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  She doesn't know.

• 37:15Pablo Torre?

  She's a human walker and she just thinks I'm a good dad.

• 37:17Speaker 04

  Does she have a, does she hold on to a thing? Does she hold on to a thing?

• 37:19Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. She's a little penguin.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  And then you're holding on to her.

• 37:23Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 37:23Speaker 04

  It's sort of a turtles all the way up situation.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  That's right. That's exactly right. My niece is already in skates. She's not six. She's, this is a thing an aunt should know, right?

• 37:32Speaker 04

  Her age?

• 37:32Speaker 03

  Three, maybe four. She's very little, but they've already got her in skates and she apparently loves it. So.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  I don't think my kids have ever been in skates of any kind, roller or ice.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  What? They ain't living.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  You ain't living if you ain't been in skates.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  That's right. You got a roller skate or roller blade. God, I used to love to roller blade through the neighborhood.

• 37:54Pablo Torre?

  Mighty Ducks made me buy, I mean, asked my parents for roller blades.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. I was gonna say, would you took, you took a withdrawal out of your account? New York City kids are different. He's like, I went to the bank on my way back from preschool.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  I had a cashier's check drawn up.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  And I said, can you give this to me in fives?

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• 40:19Pablo Torre?

  So, listen.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  This is where he's going. Can we make this an episode? Do we need to add more?

• 40:27Pablo Torre?

  What is it that we found out today?

• 40:28Speaker 03

  No way, no way we're at that part. I thought we had barely started.

• 40:33Pablo Torre?

  I mean, I was gonna bring up the woman who put the earring in her sleeve on the Delta flight. Did you guys see that?

• 40:40Speaker 03

  The lady who what?

• 40:41Pablo Torre?

  Put the earring in her sleeves.

• 40:42Speaker 05

  What's going on in this plane, Danielle?

• 40:43Speaker 07

  This is something I love about social media. Met a very passive aggressive passenger on Delta today. Immediately angry about my using the armrest before takeoff. She installed an earring on her sleeve to poke me. I didn't mind till the turbulence when it stabbed me. I calmly asked her to remove it. She wouldn't and told me I was taking up too much of my seat because I'm a man.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  Brilliant, brilliant. She did what she had to do. That guy was obviously annoying and if you got an obviously annoying guy for long enough, you come up with a little system.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  And it's just on her, right?

• 41:13Speaker 03

  And what are you gonna do? This is just where I like to put this. Who are you to say?

• 41:17Speaker 04

  And it's a fully defensive measure.

• 41:19Pablo Torre?

  We should all have the ability to go porcupine mode.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  That's right. Whatever, I'm allowed to wear whatever I want. Maybe you should move your arm. Had you considered that?

• 41:28Speaker 04

  But what if maybe he was deathly allergic to pins?

• 41:30Speaker 03

  Well, then that sounds like his problem. He shouldn't act in a way that provokes me putting a pin in my arm.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  You're right. That's a you problem, mister.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Oh, you could tell by her face in the picture that she was like, I'm unfazed. You have been a nightmare this entire trip.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just like, I normally, when I'm sitting on a plane, I cover my body in landmines. That's what I normally do. And if you hit one of them, that's on you.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  I make myself small. I hold my pee to the point of probably like medical issue. If the person is, if I'm in the window, which I chose, and they're in the aisle and I've gotta go and they're fast asleep, I go like, [BLEEP], I'm not gonna wake this person.

• 42:03Speaker 04

  This is right. What you're doing is right.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  No, it isn't.

• 42:06Speaker 04

  If you sit at the window, your job is to piss yourself. You never, you chose the window, do not get up.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  I'm just providing the context of like normally I personally will go way too far in the people pleasing direction of like, I don't want to be the person who ruined it for you. And I happen to always find myself if I'm in the aisle seat, sitting next to a person who's very comfortable waking me up to go to the bathroom. And it's like, when will the reciprocation occur?

• 42:30Speaker 04

  The rule of the airplane is aisle person gets their legs banged into by the cart, but they, they do that so they can get up and pee whenever they want to. Window person gets to lean against the window, but you cannot piss.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Length of flight makes a difference to me. If it's six hours, you can at some point, when I get up to pee, which I will.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  When aisle gets up?

• 42:48Speaker 03

  You get up to pee. And if it's the, a short flight though, if it's a two hour flight. Now, of course, if there's an emergency, we have to say, it's different.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Nope, [BLEEP] yourself.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  But it's just if I have just fallen, it's the point of getting the aisle is so that you've got access. If you're a person who pees a lot, you're an aisle seat person.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  Absolutely. And I would say this, if they're middle seat, if it's a three seater, middle seat can do anything they want. Middle seat is living in hell.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  Poor thing.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  You can do whatever you want.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  You could take your shoes off.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. Clip your toenails.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  Eat a sandwich that you make on the plane, whatever you want.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  Just not tuna. That's the rule.

• 43:22Pablo Torre?

  Um, what did we find out today?

• 43:25Speaker 03

  That?

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Wait, one more thing.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  That I would be okay as a blonde. I always thought it would be really bad.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  This is the first time you've ever had blonde hair on?

• 43:35Speaker 03

  With a nice wig, with like a nicer wig that isn't like bad. This is also the volume I've always dreamed of having, so I'm afraid people are gonna come away really into me.

• 43:45Pablo Torre?

  This costs $9.99 on Amazon.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 43:48Pablo Torre?

  I like that Katie's takeaway in this episode about Bizarros and doppelgangers is she wants to look less like herself.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's pretty much every morning I wake up and go, you again? Huh, harumph.

• 43:59Pablo Torre?

  Michael, what did you find out today?

• 44:01Speaker 04

  I found out that Steve Kerr's doppelganger did not have vials of Steve Kerr's blood, which to me makes him a, like that's enough to be like, let's put, let's link them up.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  You think they should be friends because, I'm sorry, just recapping for everybody. They should be friends because he wasn't carrying vials of his blood.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  That's exactly right. Verbatim what I said and what I feel.

• 44:22Pablo Torre?

  I'm gonna add.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  And Steve Kerr, when you watch this back, just know I fought for this to not happen.

• 44:28Speaker 04

  Throw another, oh, Stephen A. Smith on the, oh yeah.

• 44:31Pablo Torre?

  No, no, hold on. Having resurfaced my text chain with Hamburger Jones, what I found out today is that when I texted him in May, quote, "Hamburger, my show just won a Pulitzer. Thanks for being a part of it."

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Nothing.

• 44:45Pablo Torre?

  I got nothing, but it does say that it was red.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 44:49Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  He went, "I don't really give a [BLEEP], dude." I mean, it's crazy because all he-

• 44:53Pablo Torre?

  Guess what, Hamburger? Now you're meeting Bizarro Steve Kerr.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  That's a gift. Mr. Gillis seems lovely.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  He does.

• 45:01Pablo Torre?

  I agree.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  What a piece of work as man. Hamlet. That's from Hamlet.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 45:06Speaker 04

  That's from Hamlet. Who says, "To thine own self be true"? It's not Hamlet.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  All I know is this above all, to thine own self be true. This above all, to thine own self be true.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  Does someone say it to a layer tease or something?

• 45:17Speaker 03

  What teen movie am I thinking of where he's trying to teach them how it's basically like rhyming?

• 45:22Speaker 04

  It's Polonius. Polonius.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Is, and mine is 10 Things I Hate About You?

• 45:27Speaker 04

  No, this is, this is, oh?

• 45:29Speaker 03

  This above all, to thine own self be true.

• 45:31Pablo Torre?

  No, oh my God.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  10 Things I Hate About You is Taming of the Shrew, isn't it?

• 45:35Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  I haven't seen it, but I think so.

• 45:37Pablo Torre?

  Oh, man.

• 45:39Speaker 04

  One more hour.

• 45:40Pablo Torre?

  Gonna put my wax back in real quick.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Good job, everybody.

• 45:46Speaker 04

  The lights on there, they're done. We might still be going, but in there, they're done.

• 45:58Pablo Torre?

  This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.