Share & Vore & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

Sophie Cunningham brought the Riley Gaines School of Victimhood to the WNBA, and then attempted to walk it back — but not before protests, counter-protests, and all the social-media engagement that hate can buy. Also, Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne react to a troubling and unbelievable fetish map of the United States. • Subscribe to "Casuals with Katie Nolan": https://www.youtube.com/katienolan • Subscribe to "But Also with Michael and Asher”: https://www.youtube.com/@ButAlsowithMichaelandAsher • Previously on PTFO — What Is Riley Gaines Hiding? We Investigated https://youtu.be/iKUl8lkuGOc?si=nf1nnQBEppQI7BRT Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Pablo Torre?

  Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today, we're gonna find out what this sound is.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Tell me what Alabama's into. Is it your cousin, and is that a fetish?

• 0:10Speaker 02

  I'm hoping Alabama's gonna go Asian. I want Alabama to be Asian.

• 0:14Pablo Torre?

  Right after this.

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• 1:17Pablo Torre?

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• 2:01Pablo Torre?

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• 2:26Speaker 01

  How's your podcast going?

• 2:27Speaker 02

  Um, well, we have $50 billion.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Whoa!

• 2:32Speaker 02

  We just got a grant for $50 billion.

• 2:34Pablo Torre?

  From what?

• 2:35Speaker 02

  From Trump, which is fine. Like, yeah, we don't care. The money spends the same.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  It's all green.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  So if you guys are big fans of whatever I do, you can listen to my podcast, but also with Michael and Asher, which you haven't been on yet, but you will be. If you have a busy time.

• 2:51Pablo Torre?

  Now that I know where the money is coming from.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, it's not that Trump. It's a different... Oh, I should've said that. It's from Steve Trump. Steve Trump, two Ps, two Rs.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Trump.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 3:02Pablo Torre?

  The rare double R.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Trump.

• 3:05Pablo Torre?

  Speaking of taking money from political sources that you don't want to admit that you took money from.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:11Pablo Torre?

  Should we talk a little bit about everything happening around Sophie Cunningham?

• 3:15Speaker 01

  I mean, we could.

• 3:17Pablo Torre?

  You're so tired of this topic.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  It just is really annoying to me that... No, there was no inciting event. There was no trans woman trying to join the WNBA. In fact, when Trump got in office again this time, he immediately signed an executive order getting rid of not allowing any Trump, any trans athletes to play in the NCAA. So like, we're... There's a non-issue.

• 3:40Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, in the Olympics and in the NCAA, you can't... It's all according to biology.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  It's all already been done.

• 3:46Pablo Torre?

  Those are the rules now.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  And so now for this to become this big thing, because obviously it tests well, because obviously it does numbers online.

• 3:53Pablo Torre?

  This is a story about engagement?

• 3:55Speaker 01

  It sucks.

• 3:56Pablo Torre?

  It really is.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  It sucks because it's exhausting, and if you discuss it at all, even to just say, "Hey, the WNBA is a pretty inclusive space that has a lot of trans fans, and a lot of you people who don't watch the W at all, or care, are coming in and claiming to wanna save and protect women's sports." Meanwhile, you're making it less inclusive and less safe for trans fans. They're feeling very attacked. They go like, "Oh, blah, blah, blah." And then it ruins your social media presence for a week. I haven't been able to get into any of my comments on anything because people are just commenting on everything I do that now I'm being transvestigated? It's like, what is...

• 4:34Pablo Torre?

  Of course.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  It's like, everyone's losing their...

• 4:36Speaker 02

  And it's also that people with the wrong idea are also in support of like, the most flagrant women abusers in the entire world.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  It's like, what would have had to happen for all these big names that are usually on the other side of women's rights, just all banding together to save women's sports?

• 4:53Pablo Torre?

  To save the WNBA.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  To be able to believe that myth of like, they wanna save it.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  And also, I've... Okay, sorry, you.

• 4:59Pablo Torre?

  I was gonna ask actually Michael before we get into what I actually wanted to start our discussion with, which is a video that I don't know if I've even talked about enough. But I wanted to know if Michael's algorithm is also as saturated. I mean, we cover this issue on the show through reporting. We've done this for years. I find it infuriating, but also fascinating and certainly depressing online. Is your algorithm steeped in this in the way that ours?

• 5:23Speaker 02

  It's all over my algorithm. I think the two things that make me aware that it's like broken out of the normal silo in which I would think it would exist are... I saw a... I don't know if this is the video you're about to show us, but a Chyron from Laura Ingraham's show that said, "Sophie Cunningham gets called for another foul," or something like that.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  And Laura Ingraham talks ball all the time.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Oh, she loves ball.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Laura Ingraham's always showing highlights.

• 5:48Pablo Torre?

  She loves it when you don't shut up and continue to dribble.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  When you talk and don't dribble.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  And so in the clip that she shows, they call the foul on Sophie Cunningham, what we're supposed to take from this is, well, the entire league hates America because this is happening.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:04Speaker 02

  And then I also saw at some point Jesse Waters say...

• 6:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is week three of the five covering the WNBA. And I have to say, I am done. I hate the WNBA. I mean, I don't mind women's basketball. My girls play basketball, but I don't wanna cover women's basketball. I don't wanna be a WNBA analyst. We get paid to have an opinion about everything. And this is something I don't care about. Every time I open up the rundown and see the WNBA in it, I feel like Jessica must feel every day. We have to do this again? Really? This again? Someone wore a t-shirt at a WNBA game? I remember when they were throwing dildos. Remember? That was funny.

• 6:50Speaker 05

  That's a news story. This isn't a news story. Okay? It doesn't matter. There will not be a man in the WNBA. We don't even cover the NBA. Why are we covering the WNBA? This is ridiculous. I feel like boycotting this segment.

• 7:05Pablo Torre?

  The most honest expression of what any of these people actually feels, which is, "I don't actually care about the thing I'm supposed to care about right now."

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Which I almost respect.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  I hate saying that.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  I've never had more affection for Jesse Waters than in that moment where he's like, "I can't even pretend to give a [bleep] about this."

• 7:26Pablo Torre?

  As the father of daughters, I don't give a [bleep] about women's sports.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  To go out of the way to say, "I have two kids who both play girls' basketball, but I hate the WNBA," is crazy. And then if I may also take issue with the Chyron?

• 7:38Pablo Torre?

  What was the Chyron?

• 7:39Speaker 01

  The t-shirt that was worn just said, "Trans kids belong," I believe. The Chyron said, "Coach takes shots at Sophie Cunningham with t-shirt." All they did was actually make trans people feel more comfortable. They weren't taking a shot at Sophie Cunningham.

• 7:57Pablo Torre?

  It's bizarrely refreshing, though, to get the old-fashioned, "I don't give a [bleep] about women's sports" take because what's currently happening is that the engagement, the incentives on the internet have led to all of these people, I mean, certainly ruining everyone's general ability to talk about the WNBA, which is happening on the internet. But also, to your point, they are creating victims here. But it's not Sophie Cunningham who is being victimized here. It's not Riley Gaines who took a photo with Sophie Cunningham, who's being victimized here. It's using women's sports to get engagement.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  It's gross.

• 8:32Pablo Torre?

  And Jesse Waters is the one guy who's like, "Actually, perhaps, I'm too rich to give a [bleep] about this, actually."

• 8:39Speaker 01

  And I'd rather that than let's protect, let's band together and protect women. The Amari Boo have told me, "You hate women." And I'm like, "I... How are we here?"

• 8:50Speaker 02

  The Sophie Cunningham quote is, "Men don't belong in women's sports."

• 8:54Pablo Torre?

  It was a quote in an ESPN story that then was asked about in all these interviews afterwards. And what she'd like to clarify is that I never once said that I hate trans people. I'm here to extend love. But her whole language around protect women, protect young girls against biological men, what it does, as we chronicled in this Riley Gaines investigation that we did, is it echoes the manufacturing of victimhood for female athletes who were born that way, to borrow their language, that must compete against trans people, even though there are vanishingly small numbers of trans people playing sports. And therefore suffer what is the equivalent, according to Riley Gaines's own rhetoric over time,

• 9:38Pablo Torre?

  the equivalent of being assaulted, having violence waged against you. It is the criminalization of trans people in sports. And if you want to argue, this is just the little soapbox that I just need to hop on here.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Please.

• 9:53Pablo Torre?

  If you want to argue that there are advantages to going through male puberty that are hard to undo, even with an exhaustive regime of hormone therapy, which is what would be and had been previously required in the Olympics and the NCAA. You gotta go through a whole, like, year of injections to even be allowed as a trans person to compete in women's sports, right? Even if you say, even after that, there are still these advantages. You're bigger, you're stronger, that are hard to completely undo. I get that argument. It is complicated to scientifically create a rule that equalizes the playing field if you went through male puberty. That is a discussion that is complicated, but there are rules that you attempt to solve it.

• 10:36Pablo Torre?

  This, though, is not a discussion about the rules. It's a discussion about saving girls from trans predators. And that's where the manufacturing of victimhood comes in, because there aren't actually those victims.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  I think that's tricky about it also is, men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. On its face, you're like, yeah. So as someone who believes in the rights of trans people, you're at a deficit. You're starting from negative, because that's a sentence where it's like, well, yeah, LeBron James shouldn't be allowed to play in the WNBA. Of course, an argument to be made that...

• 11:17Pablo Torre?

  Men are better at sports than women is the most ancient argument that men love to make.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 11:26Pablo Torre?

  And moving anybody off of that is this total red herring that winds up being the door opening to, and those say men are now preying on your girls.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  It's always men and girls. That's where it became too transparent to me, to being messaging, because it's like, girls shouldn't have to play against biological men. And it's like, even if in this scenario they're trying to describe, if that were to happen, it would be boys. It wouldn't be men. Everything that they do in these conversations is exactly that, to put you on your heels and to make a person who doesn't have time to think about this too critically to go, well, yeah, that makes perfect sense.

• 12:09Pablo Torre?

  80% winning issue is the trans sports debate. It's why ads were made about it during the presidential cycle. It's why this continues to get engagement and gets hammered by Republicans who otherwise don't have time, as Jesse Waters very candidly observed, to give a shit about this otherwise.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  It is so much based in the erasure of what they would like to do is, tomorrow, wake up and there's no trans people. And where I get frustrated is I go, that's not how the world works. Once you, once someone shares with you their experience and what their human experience on earth is, for me, I feel it's our job as a society that's supposed to function to figure out how to make sure they feel safe and seen and addressed and that they have access to all the things that humans get to have access to. And I just don't think you can block sports and go, you can't have this.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  I don't think that they want trans people to not exist. I think there's nothing better for Nancy Mace and Donald Trump, et cetera, et cetera, than the existence of trans people, because that, for them, is like a absolutely perfect target. There are relatively few of them. It is something that is completely poorly understood by me included.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  So for them, the issue being on the table is gold. They don't want it to be solved. They want the issue always on the table, even though you can't afford your groceries. There, we're at 50 frickin' wars.

• 13:40Pablo Torre?

  It's let them yell at trans people. It's let them eat cake.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  But the reason your factory got automated and your grandpa lost his job is that some kid in Nebraska someplace thinks that maybe his life could be better in some way that has nothing to fucking do with you.

• 13:58Pablo Torre?

  And the vanishingly small number of athletes in these states across our country, it becomes clear when all of these states, they tried passing bills and many of them have succeeded, and they were literally looking. If you go and do the reporting and go read the reporting, all of these state houses, all of these local legislatures are looking for the athletes to serve as the face of the problem. And in many of these states, they could not find anyone, because that's how few of them there are. And that's how, by the way, afraid many of them are. And so the thing I want to focus on is not the argument of, who is stronger, man or woman? Because that's the landscape that they love to fight the culture war across.

• 14:43Pablo Torre?

  The argument is, where is the victimhood that you are alleging? Where is the criminality that you are alleging? In Riley Gaines's case, you saw over time in interviews that she did with Fox News and Outkick and Tucker Carlson, all of these people, you saw money flowing into her bank account from these nonprofit groups that are here to save women's sports. And you saw her rhetoric change from originally not calling the villain in her story, Leah Thomas, the swimmer that she tied for fifth with in the NCAA Swimming Championship.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  She tied with that, with Leah Thomas?

• 15:20Speaker 01

  Yes, for fifth.

• 15:22Pablo Torre?

  This is why it's just perfect, right? It's like, if Leah Thomas didn't exist, you would have finished...

• 15:26Speaker 02

  I thought Leah Thomas won. I, my memory of that's right.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  I could see why you'd think that.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:30Pablo Torre?

  If Leah Thomas didn't exist, Riley Gaines would have the exact same finishing spot, which is, which is fifth. And, and I say that to say, over time, originally, Riley Gaines's position was not, this is akin to sexual assault. This is the Larry Nassar meme I'm gonna post, which I analogize myself to Simone Biles. It was not that. It was about the rules and who's allowed to compete in this division, how unfair that was, which is, again, an argument that begins to be like an actual policy question. And you can argue about that. But over time, it becomes the allegation of criminality. And in the WNBA, most obviously,

• 16:13Pablo Torre?

  there literally are no trans athletes. Everyone is still stuck on the Juana Man theory of what it is to be trans in America. And I hesitate to report this news, but Juana Man was, in fact, a fictional...

• 16:27Speaker 02

  What?

• 16:28Pablo Torre?

  A fictional film.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  And then today, I saw Sophie Cunningham come out and say like, hey, the WNBA media is so good at covering everything except the basketball.

• 16:37Speaker 06

  I think that there's so much good going on in WNBA. I think that basketball is being played at the highest level it's ever been. I think our team in specific, we are breaking history right now with the amount of points that we're scoring on back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back games. I think the Minnesota game, there's just so much distraction. I think the WNBA media, all we ever do is cover everything except basketball. And it's like, what, like, what are we doing? There's so much, like, you can talk about other things. I think those are great stories. I think it shows fans, you know, who people are outside of the court. But I also think we gotta keep the main thing the main thing. And I, I think when it comes to the Minnesota game, I think there is so much distraction. But like, the matchup between Miles and Kelsey was phenomenal. Our team, I mean, that game in particular was, was a great game.

• 17:22Speaker 06

  And so I, I think that there's a lot to be said, and I'm gonna let people just do the speaking for themselves. But for me, I want to get back to basketball. It's always been about basketball. That interview happened in, in February when I was asked a question. And so for me, I just want to, you know, make sure that it stays, the focus stays where it should, because people are playing at such a high level.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Why does everybody want to talk about everything except the great stuff we're doing on the court? I would like us to focus on the on-court stuff that we're doing here. I stated my opinion, and I'd like to move on. And to that, I say, and sort of to your point about how much do we think she knows, my most generous reading to Sophie Cunningham is to be like, maybe she didn't know what she was dipping her toe into when she dipped her toe into it. But I feel like you, as a woman, a female athlete in sports, you're a little late to the conversation. You should have a basic understanding of the issue and know that there, that this was what you were inviting in to the W. That as soon as somebody holds the door open for this, especially an athlete,

• 18:23Speaker 01

  a current athlete on a team that has the, their star, whether Kaitlyn Clark agrees with a lot of the stuff that's projected onto her or not, that's what she is associated with. And Sophie Cunningham was glad to hold the door for them. And once they're in, there was no way that this was ever gonna go any differently.

• 18:43Pablo Torre?

  And meanwhile, Sophie Cunningham is being a UFC ring girl with an actual guy, Katie, as you pointed out on your show, Dana White, who himself is on tape slapping his wife.

• 19:12Pablo Torre?

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• 20:48Pablo Torre?

  So, one of the things that happened, and this is where I want to establish that we're a show that wants to discuss such things with rigor and consideration for some of the most, again, threatened populations in America. Also, I want to get to the fact that Sophie Cunningham's feet became a phenomenon.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  I mean, that's so predictable.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Oh, because she took her shoes off to be a ring girl.

• 21:09Pablo Torre?

  This is where I mention that feet have been in the sports news cycle recently.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Monica McNutt getting a pedicure on ESPN.

• 21:17Pablo Torre?

  And Micah Parsons on Brian McFadden's podcast recently saying this.

• 21:21Speaker 06

  All right, last question. What is this thing about you that few people know?

• 21:26Speaker 03

  I have a foot fetish.

• 21:27Speaker 06

  A foot fetish? You like toes?

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:31Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Um, all right. I mean, that's what you asked.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Wait, how do people feel about that? I love, I love it. He's just putting it out there. Look, I like feet.

• 21:41Pablo Torre?

  We have come so far, I think, as a country where Micah Parsons is just like, guess what? Guess what I'm into? Feet.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  He probably gets a million DMs a day from all kinds of people.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  At least he's narrowing down.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  And that's just him being like, ew, make those feet.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  This is what I'm looking for.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  Do me a favor. Can we make those feet?

• 21:59Speaker 01

  I will say, I noticed, you know, the internet obviously gave us all the chance to find community where before we may not have found it, where you could go, whoa, I didn't know this many. Now I can connect with anyone, anywhere, who's super into, let's say, Spider-Man. And I think, just as a lady who has existed on the internet that people talk to, whether I want to hear what they have to say or not in my mentions on various social media platforms, I will say I right away noticed that the foot fetish community found each other and felt emboldened and empowered to speak their truth. They have never been a community that has, and I'm not even saying they should, I'm just speaking the facts that have shown any sort of shame towards their, what they're into.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they'll be very like, excuse me. And I've even had people be very kind and respectful in telling me about their foot fetish, where they're like, hey, would it ever, would you ever be open to letting me see your feet? If not, I'll leave you alone. But just wanted to let you know. And you go like, you know, is the answer. No, I wouldn't. But I just think, in a world full of scary and all the different types of stuff that somebody could be into and foist upon me, when they are into my feet, I go, all right.

• 23:12Pablo Torre?

  Put that in the campaign ad.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  You know, it's like, hey, at least it ain't poop. You know, it's like, you're not asking me for my poops.

• 23:17Pablo Torre?

  This, this takes us, I believe, as we examine the world of sports in which, of course, Rex Ryan was...

• 23:23Speaker 02

  All right, also a foot guy.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Have you watched? Have you not seen? We just showed this to Isabella on my podcast recently. So Deadspin found that they were like, we think this you... Oh, sorry, you got something you're doing? I'll stop.

• 23:34Pablo Torre?

  No, I just wanna...

• 23:36Speaker 01

  I was gonna give him the treetops of it.

• 23:37Pablo Torre?

  I think we should show him the...

• 23:39Speaker 01

  You have it?

• 23:40Pablo Torre?

  The toe tops.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Can I help you with anything?

• 23:43Speaker 06

  Oh, no, I'm sorry. I was just, just resting for a few minutes.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. Um, there's no car trouble or anything?

• 23:52Speaker 06

  No, none at all. I'm sorry.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Okay. Oh, you don't have to put your feet in. You can leave them out. Can I smell them?

• 23:59Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Aw, come on, Rex!

• 24:09Speaker 02

  But most men like to do a lot of things with those feet.

• 24:12Pablo Torre?

  I forgot that we were doing a cosplay.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  It's very funny you took a clip from Boomer and Carton.

• 24:17Pablo Torre?

  Can you explain who that was?

• 24:19Speaker 01

  So that's Rex Ryan's wife. And Deadspin found, or a Deadspin commenter, I almost think, was where they got the scoop on this. They found that there was a YouTube...

• 24:28Pablo Torre?

  There's a YouTube user.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  ...account that was uploading videos of a woman that appeared to look like Rex Ryan's wife. And then they heard the voice in the video and they went, I'm pretty sure that's Rex Ryan, which we can all tell is Rex Ryan.

• 24:39Pablo Torre?

  I believe that's New York Jets then-coach Rex Ryan.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  And, um, and it was, yeah, basically, they were, had been publicly uploading. What was the name of the account?

• 24:47Pablo Torre?

  It was crucial to note that the YouTube user's name is IHavePrettyFeet.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:54Pablo Torre?

  And so what this appeared to be was her own account posting such videos for the community.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  You know, it's like fetish content.

• 25:02Pablo Torre?

  That's why it's like, how did this video wind up on the internet? She posted it, allegedly.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  She's posting it for other people to look at her own feet.

• 25:09Pablo Torre?

  That's, that's what the Deadspin story has established.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  If I had to guess what would have actually happened there, it's that Rex Ryan thought he could put things on YouTube and other people wouldn't see them.

• 25:22Pablo Torre?

  It was 2010.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  It was 2010. I do think they didn't realize that his voice would be identifiable, which is kind of crazy. And of course, you would have to be looking at foot fetish content on YouTube and know what Rex Ryan's wife looks like in order to even flag that. So I could see in an earlier version of the internet where you'd go, we're safe to do this. No one will know.

• 25:43Pablo Torre?

  But, but there, but this became such a thing. And again, you can read the New York Times or the ESPN, the coverage of this, because he was the head coach of the Jets when this happened. Mr. Ryan, did you and your wife make the foot fetish videos?

• 25:56Speaker 03

  All right, well,

• 26:01Speaker 03

  you know, obviously, I knew, you know, these questions, you know, these questions coming and things. It's, you know, this is a personal matter, and I'm not going to discuss it.

• 26:11Pablo Torre?

  Can you confirm if that was you and your wife in that video?

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Again, you know, this is, this is a personal matter. And, you know, I hope you can respect the fact that I wish not to discuss it.

• 26:25Pablo Torre?

  Is it taking your focus off the team?

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Perfect for a Pats fan, honestly.

• 26:30Pablo Torre?

  Katie Nolan, 4.97 on WikiFeet, for the record. Sophie Cunningham, 4.81.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Why don't you look yourself up? What do you got on WikiFeet?

• 26:40Pablo Torre?

  I don't think that's... Yeah, no results.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  My, my, my feet are monstrous creations. It's not cute what's happening down there.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  It's interesting, because I thought, I thought I saw that you do have a WikiFeet.

• 26:52Pablo Torre?

  That is, that is...

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Pablo Torre's feet now.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Wait, is that five stars?

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Now, look at those, let's look at those two pictures. Are those pictures of your feet?

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Are those moments that you had your feet?

• 27:02Speaker 02

  You're on WikiFeet, bro.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Whoa, is that, is that or is that not your foot, Mr. Torre?

• 27:07Speaker 02

  You're up there, brother.

• 27:08Pablo Torre?

  How dare you catch me with allegedly a beer in hand?

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Ew, is that your foot?

• 27:16Pablo Torre?

  That how?

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 27:18Pablo Torre?

  I feel like that's a totally normal foot.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  Ew, is that your foot?

• 27:21Pablo Torre?

  Behind the newsland? How dare, this is, that's fucked up.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  I generally find feet, feet are not an attractive body part to me.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Not, sorry, I want to make sure I'm hearing you right. Not an attractive, or not unattractive.

• 27:31Pablo Torre?

  That's not so wrong. No one actually left this.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  A woman like five, but a five nevertheless, somebody wrote.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  A workman like five.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Sorry, workman, sorry.

• 27:38Pablo Torre?

  Oh, I didn't look on, sorry, men.wikifeet.com.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Oh, where do you guys get your own thing?

• 27:44Pablo Torre?

  I have three votes.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Three votes?

• 27:46Pablo Torre?

  This is the, this is the...

• 27:47Speaker 01

  One of them's me. I gave you a zero.

• 27:49Pablo Torre?

  This is the WNBA of WikiFeet. It's the men.wikifeet.com.

• 27:53Speaker 02

  The person who posted that, their username was TheWallFeetJournal.

• 27:56Pablo Torre?

  The Wall?

• 27:58Pablo Torre?

  That's the WallFeetJournal. It was a workman like five, but a five nevertheless.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Workman like.

• 28:06Pablo Torre?

  Just grabbing rebounds, guys.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  He's a man who knows how to use his feet.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  And wait, that's not even on WikiFeet? That's on men's WikiFeet?

• 28:13Pablo Torre?

  It's on men.wikifeet.com.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Man.

• 28:15Pablo Torre?

  Because gender segregation is also important in the world of feet ratings.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's exactly right. Laura Ingraham would find it very upsetting if your feet were on the other WikiFeet.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  That's right. How does that feel, to be objectified in such a way?

• 28:25Pablo Torre?

  Uh, honestly, I'm kind of into it.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  At a five, at a five, you've got it. You'd have to be into it. If any person took any-

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Gorgeous feet, it says.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  If any person took any picture of any part of my body and the internet was like, "This is a perfect score." I don't care what it is. Great.

• 28:40Pablo Torre?

  So, the reason I bring this up is because, of course, we here on Pablo Torre finds out, really fetishize data and evidence. And so, what we have for you is a national survey by the adult video site Clips For Sale.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Sure, sure.

• 28:56Pablo Torre?

  This is the last available data that we have, but it's a state-by-state top fetishes list.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Ooh, fun.

• 29:04Pablo Torre?

  All 50 states.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  This is like, they're aggregating like, search terms or whatever?

• 29:09Pablo Torre?

  I believe this is Clips For Sale's proprietary, uh, exactly, search database that they are then ranking to give a sense of what Americans are into.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  When no one's looking.

• 29:21Pablo Torre?

  When no one is looking.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Or maybe if they are looking, because that's what they're into. What counts as a fetish?

• 29:27Speaker 02

  What makes you cross the line from like, for example, I think feet are attractive, I personally don't, but let's say you do, to I have a foot fetish?

• 29:34Speaker 01

  If you would be interested in watching someone give someone a foot job, I think you have a foot fetish. Whereas if I were watching a clip that were something I were into and a foot job started to happen, I would click away, because I'm not into it.

• 29:49Pablo Torre?

  None of the states in our union on this list have as their top fetish, feet.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Weird.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  What are, then what even are they?

• 29:57Pablo Torre?

  So, I have a-

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Well, maybe it's because they don't have to use a porn site to find what they're looking for, as I said.

• 30:02Pablo Torre?

  That's a very good-

• 30:03Speaker 01

  They could go to YouTube and just look at ladies bare feet.

• 30:06Pablo Torre?

  That's a good confounding variable in this.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Oh, we're going state-by-state. Tell me what Alabama's into. Is it your cousin? And is that a fetish?

• 30:13Speaker 02

  I'm hoping Alabama's gonna go Asian. I want Alabama to be Asian.

• 30:17Pablo Torre?

  Alabama, their top fetish is pedal.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  What?

• 30:20Pablo Torre?

  And this one-

• 30:21Speaker 01

  I don't like that.

• 30:22Pablo Torre?

  Is somewhat foot-related.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  I don't like the root word. Oh, okay.

• 30:26Pablo Torre?

  According to the Independent, uh-

• 30:27Speaker 02

  Spell pedal, please.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Pedal like a, like a bike.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 30:30Pablo Torre?

  That's right. It's a P-E-D-A-L. Pedal pumping, also referred to as revving and cranking, is a new sort of clean, monotonous niche porn that is taking over the web with a big American, quote, "redneck following."

• 30:45Speaker 02

  What are you talking about? It's, what is it?

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Using your foot to smush. Smushing with your foot.

• 30:51Pablo Torre?

  It's repeatedly pressing, uh, oh wait, no, that's the actual-

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Spin this way, I'll show you.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 30:58Pablo Torre?

  This is, uh, according to now, a, a, a GQ article.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 31:03Pablo Torre?

  Um, pedal pumping. The sight of beautiful women's feet, whether naked, in tennis socks or nylons and sneakers or high heels, stepping on the gas and doing so repeatedly, vroom, vroom.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Wait, so pedal-

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Too niche. This is too niche.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  So pedal is a, is a subcategory of foot fetish?

• 31:21Pablo Torre?

  I think this is a very specific, yes.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  I think they should've just called this foot. So Alabama is into feet.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  I had never heard of this.

• 31:27Pablo Torre?

  Pumping pedals. Feet pumping pedals. Vroom, vroom.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  Riding on your-

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Why do you keep saying vroom, vroom?

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Riding on your schwinn, maybe.

• 31:34Pablo Torre?

  Quote, vroom, vroom.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Okay, so that's Alabama.

• 31:36Pablo Torre?

  That's Alabama.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  And then I hate to ask this, because it does feel insensitive, but is incest a fetish?

• 31:43Pablo Torre?

  It certainly does, uh-

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Show up on the list.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  They don't make videos of incest.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Almost every video pretends to be incest at this point.

• 31:54Pablo Torre?

  I'm sorry, Michael, to break the news to you.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  No, wait, wait, hang on. What, what I think, are you talking about, are you talking about step siblings?

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  Because that, I feel like is one, that's a thing, but that's not incest.

• 32:05Pablo Torre?

  We need to go through this, because I feel like your sense of purity here.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  I'm not, I'm just not aware of the subcategories.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  You're saying step siblings don't count. I'm saying if I had to zoom out from step siblings, what would you call it? I would call that incest.

• 32:18Speaker 02

  Yes, totally. But the, the whole, the whole reason it is step siblings is so that they can't say it's incest.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Right, but they're also not real siblings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's, um-

• 32:28Pablo Torre?

  I think there's some people who would probably-

• 32:29Speaker 01

  But I think the reason they even bring it up in the first place is because they want the like, oh, they're-

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Okay, that's, I'm fascinated by the idea.

• 32:35Pablo Torre?

  But I would be very confident in betting that, in fact, people are just into the most definitionally biological forms of incest.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Well, and just the like, two hot kids that are at the same house, their brother and sister, and oops.

• 32:49Pablo Torre?

  Florida-

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Is into that.

• 32:51Pablo Torre?

  Is into tickling.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Oh, come on, man.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  This is the most pop, more-

• 32:57Pablo Torre?

  We're doing a snake draft.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  I hate being tickled so much.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  I think there's something that I feel like, one of the transitions between being a child and being an adult is, once you like, actually, to me-

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Cut the [BLEEP] when they do it.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, don't [BLEEP] touch me.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Because that's the little, the daughter of a family that was, you were always like, there's no way out.

• 33:15Pablo Torre?

  We're ticklers.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  I would always just yell, "I'm gonna pee."

• 33:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  And then at some point, I would start peeing.

• 33:20Pablo Torre?

  That is another, it's a different state.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  Because it's like, don't touch me.

• 33:22Pablo Torre?

  That is a very different state into that.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  I'm gonna pee.

• 33:24Pablo Torre?

  Michael?

• 33:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:25Pablo Torre?

  Your next draft pick, who do you select?

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Ooh, okay, I'm going, uh, I'm gonna go out west. I'm gonna go out west, I'm gonna go to Utah. I'm gonna go to Utah. I wanna see what the Mormons are doing.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  That's gonna be-

• 33:35Pablo Torre?

  Utah is into balloons.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  What the [BLEEP]? This is like a random word generator.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Like boobs?

• 33:43Pablo Torre?

  A type of sexual or sensual interest where people find arousal, comfort, or excitement in balloons. Those who share this interest often call themselves lunars.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Love that. I love a cute name.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  What is this a list of, again?

• 33:55Pablo Torre?

  This is a state-by-state, let's according to the website Clips For Sale, of the top fetishes.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Top meaning what? You're telling me that more people look up in, uh, Utah, more people look up ballooning than, I don't know, boobs?

• 34:11Pablo Torre?

  Well, I don't know if boob is-

• 34:12Speaker 01

  I don't think boobs are a fetish. That's kinda crazy to say. I think boobs are, we're all into boobs.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  Sorry, I'm a lunatic. Well, that's what they should, that's what they should call themselves, actually. Lunatics.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 34:24Pablo Torre?

  Importantly, though, the state of Montana-

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Is into Mormons?

• 34:28Pablo Torre?

  Is into breast expansion.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  No, yuck.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  What is expansion?

• 34:33Speaker 01

  What? Sorry, I didn't mean to yuck or yum.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Is that not augmentation?

• 34:35Pablo Torre?

  Breast expansion fetishism is a sexual fetish characterized by pronounced sexual fantasies involving, usually, a woman, or sometimes a man, whose breasts enlarge.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  They enlarge while-

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Oh, as you're going.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  While you're looking at them.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Comically like, ooh?

• 34:48Pablo Torre?

  There's a political, wait, there's a political-

• 34:50Speaker 01

  Like Pinocchio's nose.

• 34:51Pablo Torre?

  This was a political scandal recently. Who was that guy?

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, who was someone's husband.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  It was Kristi Noem's husband.

• 34:55Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  But I don't think he was into the enlarging. He was into-

• 34:58Speaker 01

  But they were balloons, so he was kind of a luner.

• 35:00Pablo Torre?

  Does he qualify?

• 35:01Speaker 02

  A lunatic, as we say.

• 35:03Pablo Torre?

  Does Byron Noem qualify, husband of former DHS, DHS secretary Kristi Noem, because, no, sorry, his fetish was bimbofication. Oversized fake breasts and cross-dressing, so.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  I am disputing the, the accuracy of this list. There's no way.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  That is noted.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Let's try Hawaii.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Hawaii.

• 35:24Pablo Torre?

  Hawaii is into vor.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  What is, what is vor? Come on.

• 35:30Pablo Torre?

  What is vor?

• 35:31Speaker 02

  How is it that we have to look up every single one of these?

• 35:34Speaker 01

  I like picturing one PTFO listener going like, "They're about to do my thing."

• 35:39Speaker 02

  That's exactly right.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  They're finding out about my, my things, my interests are overlapping in a way.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Somebody's about to click subscribe so hard, the computer snaps in half.

• 35:48Pablo Torre?

  Press that bell icon, because vor is a rare sexual fantasy about swallowing someone, being swallowed whole, or watching it happen.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  I could get into that.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Swallowing a person whole, like, like the way a snake eats a mouse.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. Doesn't that make you feel a little-

• 36:06Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, I think like-

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Sexy? No.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  No? You don't go like, what would it be like to be that mouse?

• 36:11Pablo Torre?

  So vorarphilia is, uh-

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Florophilia?

• 36:14Pablo Torre?

  Vorarphilia, V-O-R-A-R-E-P-H-I-L-I-A, is a fantasy centered around the erotic or psychological desire to be consumed by or to personally consume another person or creature.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Of course, yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  But it's sexual, is what you're saying.

• 36:28Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, for these, for these proud residents of, uh, the state of Hawaii.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Clips For Sale is counting the people who Google, or who go on Clips For Sale-

• 36:40Speaker 01

  A site I've never heard of, to be honest.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  And they say, yeah, we're doing incredible promo for Clips For Sale.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  I'd go to Clips For Sale free first, before I would go to Clips For Sale.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  And people in that state are searching vor so much that it's the number one fetish?

• 36:55Pablo Torre?

  Vor is the number one fetish in seven states.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Bullshit. This is horseshit.

• 37:01Pablo Torre?

  Sorry, I'm gonna get a correction. Eight states. Arkansas, California, Georgia, Hawaii.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  You're gonna make me look this up.

• 37:10Pablo Torre?

  Missouri.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  I don't like this survey. I'm, I'm starting to wonder.

• 37:13Pablo Torre?

  Vermont.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Whoa, why put me?

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a new, it's a Ben and Jerry's flavor now.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, Bernie was way into-

• 37:20Speaker 02

  You're gonna make me go home and look this up, is what you're doing.

• 37:23Pablo Torre?

  Did I say Michigan?

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Now, this is what I wanted to know on the Utah thing. When we found out that Utah's wasn't like a Mormon-related, I wonder, is there a state whose number one fetish is the Mormon stuff? Because I know there is specifically Mormon.

• 37:36Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, I'm sure it's also receiving votes, but I don't have that in this data.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  But I have to go back to the vor thing. What am I watching a video of? A video of what?

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Oh, good question.

• 37:46Pablo Torre?

  Someone being consumed or doing the consuming.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  How? How are you watching that? Is it cannibalism? You're like, we're pretending I'm cutting the person up?

• 37:54Pablo Torre?

  Unlike cannibalism, vor is strictly fantasy-based.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  They thought of that. Sorry, they thought of that.

• 37:58Pablo Torre?

  So, soft vor- Yeah, soft vor means the swallowed individual remains alive and unharmed inside the predator, perhaps, uh-

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Jonah and the whale situation. Sort of like, uh, Pinocchio again. Another, these are all Pinocchio babies.

• 38:13Pablo Torre?

  And let me tell you, his nose grew that day.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  A lot of the Old Testament people were considered voraraphiles, I believe.

• 38:19Pablo Torre?

  Hard vor involves digestion or fatal harm.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  I, I still-

• 38:24Speaker 01

  That, that shouldn't be available on the internet.

• 38:27Speaker 02

  I am no closer to knowing what I'm looking at when I see a video of this, and I know-

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Oh, God, I forgot I was going to you porn, so obviously was going to see, uh, what I just saw, but I'm just trying to, I think they're mostly like-

• 38:38Speaker 02

  Oh, it's cartoons.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  It's like cartoons.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  I see, I see.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Sorry to show you that, uh, with your son here, but, um, Pablo did it. It's Pablo's fault.

• 38:46Pablo Torre?

  Let's-

• 38:46Speaker 02

  I told my son, I'm like, you know, you have an opportunity really to, to, to be involved with the podcast. It's like, really prestigious.

• 38:52Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  And here he is, and it's like, we're looking up, uh, different, every state's favorite porn.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  What else?

• 38:57Pablo Torre?

  Let's show the map.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Oh, please. What's Massachusetts? Wrestling. Okay.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  Most, most search for, that's what they're saying.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Most search for chastity in Nebraska.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  What, I mean, there's so many things I have questions about, but I really hesitate.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Is that Kansas doing face sitting?

• 39:13Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Shout out. I love that. And Louisiana.

• 39:17Pablo Torre?

  As is Louisiana.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  That's right. And Maine. Okay, well, that's different. A lot more, you can sit on a mouth with a lot less.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Are we sure that CPR isn't someone just frantically trying to find CPR instructions?

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Help me!

• 39:30Speaker 02

  They're on the state.

• 39:30Pablo Torre?

  The state of Wyoming.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  They're in Wyoming on the wrong website.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  What is sissy?

• 39:36Pablo Torre?

  Great question.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  I'm guessing a man being dominated or something?

• 39:39Pablo Torre?

  So, sissy, hold on, I have notes on this. Sissification is a practice-

• 39:44Speaker 01

  The sissification of America?

• 39:45Pablo Torre?

  My voice sissified while I was saying sissification. Sissification is a practice in dominance and submission or kink subcultures involving reversal of gender roles and making a submissive male take on a feminine role, which includes crossdressing. So, a bit kinda like the Byron Gnome stuff. A sissified breast expander.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Not to be confused with Sisyphus, of course.

• 40:04Pablo Torre?

  Correct.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Hey, what is smotherbox?

• 40:06Pablo Torre?

  Oh, I'm so glad you asked. Smotherbox, great state of Maryland.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  What is this podcast that I'm on?

• 40:12Pablo Torre?

  A smotherbox is a BDSM piece of furniture or structure in which the head of the sub-

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Literal head?

• 40:18Pablo Torre?

  Uh, well, let's keep reading and find out. Uh, is placed in a fixed opening so that the dominant can sit on top of or over the face for controlled smothering.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Smother me with your, but I can't move. I can't get away.

• 40:29Pablo Torre?

  It's a form of breath play and face sitting that can only be performed safely within strict agreements and under constant supervision.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Yes, and that's all of this. That's all of this.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Except for a fart.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  You must have enthusiastic, agreed upon consent.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Fart, you can do whatever you want.

• 40:40Pablo Torre?

  Fart, you can do whatever you want.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, not sexually, though.

• 40:43Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, Wyoming into CPR, notably. Maryland into smotherboxing. I mean, really yin and yang.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they should really, um-

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Ball busting, I'm guessing, is just punching someone in the balls?

• 40:53Speaker 01

  I assumed it was just being like, hey, you loser.

• 40:57Pablo Torre?

  Ball busting, in fact, is a form of-

• 40:58Speaker 01

  I bet you're gonna [BLEEP], aren't you?

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Look who's late.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, what the [BLEEP]?

• 41:02Pablo Torre?

  Ball busting is, in fact, a form of BDSM and [BLEEP] and ball torture, where a person derives sexual arousal from applying controlled pain, pressure, or impact to a partner's testicles.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  And who am I to say I'm not into that? I've never tried it, you know?

• 41:20Pablo Torre?

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• 42:03Pablo Torre?

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• 43:50Speaker 01

  I thought I knew a lot about fetishes until today.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Until, right now, I just learned-

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Right here, right now.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  There are 50 things I've never heard of.

• 43:57Pablo Torre?

  We live in a vast plurality of interests, and we-

• 44:01Speaker 02

  And that's beautiful.

• 44:02Pablo Torre?

  And, and, and-

• 44:04Speaker 02

  I believe when they, when they settled on e Pluribus Unum, this is what they were thinking of.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 44:10Pablo Torre?

  They were thinking of-

• 44:10Speaker 02

  From Ebony, and diaper, and fart, and face sitting, and smotherbox, one.

• 44:17Pablo Torre?

  The moral arc of the universe bends towards, uh-

• 44:20Speaker 01

  [BLEEP].

• 44:21Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, that one.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty much.

• 44:25Pablo Torre?

  What did we, uh-

• 44:26Speaker 01

  All of it.

• 44:26Pablo Torre?

  What did we, what did we, what did we find out today?

• 44:28Speaker 01

  All of what was just said was new to me.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I found out that I'm, I'm going to go home and try and figure out what vorararararilia is.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  I think I found out I'm not into anything weird enough. I think I need to be, I need to start branching out wow.

• 44:45Pablo Torre?

  Huh.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  That's actually my first modeling job, and I'm actually really proud of this. Because the guy who did my makeup was super cool. I have that, um, the bracelet that I like.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  I like this one because it looks like you could be trying to go undercover and being like a movie seat. And maybe they won't notice that that's actually my face looking up at them.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  It's kind of a massage table vibe, you know what I mean?

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, but reverse, flipped the other way.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  And also, weird massage wasn't anybody's most searched [BLEEP] thing.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Nothing remotely close to something you would have guessed.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  That I would go, oh, I recognize that and understand.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  No state was foot. Not one of the states was foot.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  There was sock. I'm counting that as foot.

• 45:25Pablo Torre?

  There was sock, there was pedal.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  There was pedal. I'm counting that as foot.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, there's literally no way that any state has more people searching vor than foot.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  It also feels like maybe they, maybe they, maybe they controlled for that, or they planned for, like, everyone's number one was foot, so we deleted foot from the-

• 45:43Speaker 02

  The top 10 actual searches we just canceled.

• 45:45Pablo Torre?

  Are you saying that this was a rigged election?

• 45:47Speaker 01

  I think we need to look into it a little bit, at least.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  I'm just saying-

• 45:50Speaker 01

  I'm not ready to take it at face value.

• 45:52Pablo Torre?

  We're calling for a complete and total shutdown of Clips for Sale.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Just recount, please, while we figure it out.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  Are people sending mail-in votes to Clip for Sale, or how does it work?

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Have they counted that? Because that's mostly, that affects one party in general.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, what about if the military wants to vote in Clips for Sale?

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Isn't that their right?

• 46:07Pablo Torre?

  Right, smothering the voting box.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 46:18Pablo Torre?

  Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Avaroma, Maxwell Carney, Ryan Cortez, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lowman, Rob McCray, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, and Chris Tumanello. Studio engineering by RG Systems, sound design by Andrew Bersik, digital strategy by Bailey Carlin and Andrew Northern, theme song, as always, by John Bravo.

• 46:40Pablo Torre?

  And we'll talk to you next time.

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