Pod Insights Pablo Torre Finds Out Exclusive: We Found the Knicks' Top-Secret Tapes for Kawhi, Kyrie and KD About this episode If you thought reuniting The Sopranos and Wu-Tang to recruit LeBron James and Kevin Durant were the ultimate celebrity pitches, just wait until Pablo unboxes this time capsule for Desus Nice, Frank Isola... and you.
Previously on PTFO:
• Share & Wu & Tell with Method Man and Dan Le Batard https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/NjkzYTM0M2JhOWQwMDM4ODljMjI5MzU0
• We Found the Secret Tape the Knicks Made for LeBron https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUyY2I3MWUtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtNTM0NjkwNDhhYjFi
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0:09 Pablo Torre? Listen.
0:09 Speaker 01 He's getting ready to run out.
0:10 Pablo Torre? Audio-only audience. Listen, I'll take a ring any way possible, okay? I'm not asking questions.
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2:01 Speaker 03 I'm not gonna even tell you what I did for you.
2:04 Speaker 03 Come on, man.
2:04 Pablo Torre? Frank, it's an honor for you to be here. You, you... You said, "I can do it over Zoom," and I said, "You have to be here in person."
2:10 Speaker 01 I respect that. I respect that.
2:12 Speaker 03 Drove in?
2:13 Pablo Torre? You drove?
2:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm not gonna... I asked him, "Who's paying for the..." He said, "Well, you know, do the..." I don't know how to do that stuff, so well now, I'm gonna be out of money anyway, so.
2:20 Speaker 01 And you had to do the congested pricing.
2:21 Pablo Torre? I said, "Sell me." I said, "Venmo me, Frank Isola."
2:23 Speaker 03 I have NYPD. I have New York press plates. So I parked on 37. Then I walked to 48, to Sirius, then I took the train down here.
2:30 Speaker 01 Real New York stuff right here.
2:31 Pablo Torre? I mean, just the most... Like a diplomat. He parks like a diplomat.
2:36 Speaker 03 I'm sorry, testing, testing. One, two, three. Oh, oh, close on me.
2:39 Speaker 01 There's like this family at Yankee Stadium this summer, and
2:41 Speaker 03 Got it.
2:42 Speaker 01 they drove and parked on 42nd Street and then took the Metro North up. And I was like, "That makes absolutely no sense, but you have your reasons." Like, I guess you don't wanna go to the heroin McDonald's across the street from Yankee Stadium like the rest of us.
2:56 Speaker 03 On River, right?
2:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:57 Speaker 03 They have NYPD parking there.
2:58 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:59 Speaker 03 But you have the mall there.
3:00 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
3:00 Speaker 03 I waited people out.
3:01 Pablo Torre? Oh, alright.
3:02 Speaker 03 For them to leave. A guy came with a bunch of, like, groceries. Pull them right there?
3:05 Speaker 01 Pull them right there?
3:06 Speaker 03 I'm not paying for parking.
3:07 Speaker 01 I'm gonna get one of those things.
3:07 Speaker 03 I'm like George Costanza.
3:09 Pablo Torre? There you go. Another New York legend. This is already the most New York conversation we've had on the podcast. We're just talking about parking strategy in and out of Yankee games. Frank, do you... You don't know Desus. You've never met him before.
3:20 Speaker 03 No, watch. I've been supposed to be really phony and say, "I really admire your work."
3:24 Speaker 01 I appreciate it.
3:24 Speaker 03 No, you're really funny.
3:26 Speaker 01 Thank you. Funny in like a ha-ha way or funny like a...
3:28 Speaker 03 Well played.
3:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, you know.
3:30 Speaker 03 Like a clown? I make you laugh? I'm here to amuse you? No, you're very good.
3:33 Speaker 01 Thank you. I appreciate it.
3:34 Speaker 03 Very new... But I think he's very New York. Like, you've lived in New York your whole life. I look like New York, but he kind of is New York.
3:40 Speaker 01 Yes, but I, I'm very familiar with you, read your work, not even bull****. Like, I know Frank. When he said it, I was like, "Yo."
3:47 Speaker 03 I'm still depressed that I got laid off. I kinda, I like working for a newspaper.
3:51 Speaker 01 Unfortunately, you work with words, and there's no longer any reason for words.
3:55 Speaker 03 I know, nobody reads.
3:56 Speaker 01 No one reads.
3:56 Speaker 03 Everybody tweets.
3:57 Speaker 01 Everyone tweets.
3:57 Speaker 03 Pablo's doing a great job with his podcast, but I guarantee you. But people took you more seriously, or they, you like when people take you seriously when you worked for Sports Illustrated. I think people took me more seriously when I wrote.
4:07 Pablo Torre? Frank and I used to go, during Insanity is where Frank and I really developed a relationship.
4:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, because you were beating everyone in the story, so I hated you.
4:14 Pablo Torre? And Frank was taking shots at me, and it's, as a New Yorker, it is an honor when Frank Isola personally tries to drone-strike you.
4:24 Pablo Torre? In the pages of one of the city's great tabloids. It really, Frank is somebody that we both grew up reading.
4:30 Speaker 01 Yes.
4:30 Pablo Torre? If you're, if you grew up a Knicks fan, Frank Isola has another nickname.
4:35 Speaker 01 Yes, Frank Asshole.
4:36 Speaker 03 I was gonna say, is that it?
4:37 Speaker 01 Frank Asshole, or if you're old enough, Frank Ayatollah. I don't know if that works.
4:41 Speaker 03 That works, yep.
4:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:42 Speaker 03 It's weird, like, my wife and kids call me the other one.
4:46 Speaker 01 No, I remember this, sometimes I would see tweets from him, and I was like, this motherf- And I was like, I had to realize, I was like, that's your thing.
4:53 Speaker 03 But here, here's what's weird. When they were terrible and dysfunctional, I was pointing it out.
4:57 Speaker 01 The Knicks were terrible and dysfunctional?
4:59 Speaker 03 And last year, I was praising them for how well they did. I was surprised they got rid of the coach and everyone was killing me.
5:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:04 Speaker 03 I thought that last year they had a good year. I thought when they won 24 games, that was a bad year.
5:09 Speaker 01 Right. You know what it is? Have you ever been to an animal shelter? And they have like a rescued dog? And like, the dog is like, getting cared for and getting food on schedule? And it lashes out. It doesn't know how to act. So that's as Knicks fans. Like, literally, you could be like, yo, that was a good year. You're like, what do you, what do you mean by that?
5:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:24 Speaker 01 Really? That's funny to you? Like, we, we're very, we're very caustic, we're, we don't trust this. Like, me right now, like, I'm like, everyone's like, oh, you guys won the cup. I'm like, what is this, are we, do we have the cup curse now?
5:34 Pablo Torre? How do the Knicks maximize their natural advantages? Being that they're in New York?
5:39 Speaker 01 Yes.
5:40 Pablo Torre? I mean, how the Knicks have approached the acquisition of superstars is really the premise of why I've been summoning you here. The thing we did in 2024, back, this was in April 2024.
5:53 Speaker 01 Excellent.
5:53 Pablo Torre? We got the tape that the Knicks made for LeBron. And I just want to refresh people's memories, because you two, I think, are just in the Target demo. But if you haven't seen it, what the Knicks did to recruit LeBron James in the summer of 2010, it did involve this.
6:09 Speaker 04 Now, we just gotta find a place for your friend LeBron to live. What's he like?
6:13 Speaker 05 He's a modern guy, but he respects tradition.
6:17 Speaker 04 He's something classy on the east side.
6:19 Speaker 05 Was it big enough? It's gonna be entertaining a lot of people in New York.
6:23 Speaker 04 It's very expensive.
6:24 Speaker 05 Oh, that's not gonna be a problem. You gotta find something magnificent. Something there's nothing in the world like it, one of a kind, like he is.
6:35 Speaker 04 Well, here's a place. Says it gets really loud there. Take a look.
6:41 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's gonna be perfect for him.
6:45 Pablo Torre? Showing Madison Square Garden on a laptop in this modest apartment that the late, great James Gandolfini was filming this scene out of. Yes. In which they're in witness protection. That was the premise of this, by the way. My favorite part that I think people overlooked, though, is the fact that when the Knicks were recruiting LeBron James in 2010, they were also recruiting two other stars. Mm-hmm. Frank, Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade. And Dwyane Wade. And I wouldn't say they tried quite as hard when they, uh, did some some alt-takes on that same series.
7:18 Speaker 04 Now we just need to find a place for your friend Dwyane to live. What's he like?
7:23 Speaker 05 He's a modern guy, but he respects tradition.
7:27 Speaker 04 Now we just need to find a place for your friend Chris to live. What's he like?
7:31 Speaker 05 He's a modern guy, but he respects tradition.
7:34 Speaker 01 I feel like they were running out of time in the studio, and it was like, yo, we'll fix it in post. We will fix it in post.
7:39 Pablo Torre? The list of famous faces they got. It didn't just, you know, start and stop with The Sopranos. The first face you saw in the video, of course, was Donald Trump. Rudy Giuliani's in there. Chris Rock is in there, Spike Lee. But I do want to highlight one of the faces that I don't think aged nearly as well as any of those, actually, because you may recall him from his work in Hollywood and beyond.
8:04 Speaker 06 New York is such a universal city. And I know LeBron, I mean, I read his book, you know, and I know that he's tight with his buddies. The idea of those friends coming to New York City, those guys sound amazing. Loyal, smart, bright.
8:18 Speaker 01 Well, Weinstein Sanity was a bleak period during the Knicks.
8:23 Speaker 01 That's the guy from Jersey. Don't wear that often.
8:24 Pablo Torre? Weinstein Sanity was another tabloid sensation. And in case you're wondering how poetic Harvey is when it comes to those other two superstars.
8:35 Pablo Torre? They also taped that.
8:37 Speaker 06 You know, when I think of the road not taken, Robert Frost's great poem about a man who makes the decision, the road that he'll travel down. And I think that Dwyane Wade wouldn't come to New York City. I mean, I love Miami, but Miami's a suburb of New York. I think of that Robert Frost poem, The Road Not Taken, about someone who doesn't take the big road. And I just wonder if Chris Bosh, sitting there and going, wow, I could have gone to New York. I could have played on the world stage. And I didn't do that. I didn't throw my hat into the greatness ring. You know, I can see him being, you know, 70-year-old guy and going, wow, I should have done that, shouldn't I? Well, you know what? Don't be the 70-year-old guy. Just do it.
9:20 Speaker 01 I feel like he quotes his Robert Frost poem for everything. He's just like, oh, my food's late. You know, like Robert Frost said, the meal not discovered. He's like, all right, we get it, Harvey.
9:29 Pablo Torre? And he quoted Nike at the end.
9:30 Speaker 01 Just do it.
9:31 Pablo Torre? Just do it. I just think there's a greatness ring he referenced, which feels like the thing that the Knicks should put in the rafters of MSG. That's where the Emirates banner should go in the greatness ring. The reason you're here today, though, is not because I just wanted to replay that video, those videos, all of them, for you, although I do. I bring you here because the Knicks actually, quietly, have learned their lesson. So the next big free agency summer, Frank, where three stars were available of that caliber, right? That was 2010. The next time it happened was 2019. Frank, could you remind us what was going on in the summer of free agency in 2019?
10:06 Speaker 03 You had Kevin Durant telling people he wanted to team up with Kyrie Irving to come to New York.
10:12 Pablo Torre? And you also had someone else available that summer, too.
10:18 Pablo Torre? We're doing a Kawhi Leonard episode.
10:37 Pablo Torre? The question of how do you recruit three stars if you're the New York Knicks?
10:41 Speaker 03 Yep.
10:42 Pablo Torre? Frank, could you just give a sense for us of how much celebrity matters at Madison Square Garden?
10:48 Speaker 03 All of it. All of it matters. Look at, you know, during the game, they're gonna show celebrities during timeouts. That's a big part of it. The celebrities all wanna be a part of it. I never knew Ben Stiller was this big of a fan.
10:58 Pablo Torre? Oh, he's huge.
10:59 Speaker 03 I was covering the Knicks for 20 years. I never remember seeing him at a game. Now he's everywhere. Now he's everybody's best friend.
11:03 Pablo Torre? You can't have, you can't throw a Knicks jersey without hitting Ben Stiller. And the funniest thing is like, he's a huge celebrity. You can just do the smallest tweet, be like, "Let's go Knicks." And it's like, Ben Stiller liked it. It was in 30 seconds. I'm like, you are so tapped in, man.
11:16 Speaker 03 I almost feel, now that they're getting better, I feel there's a little competition now among the celebrities.
11:21 Pablo Torre? Oh, Shalhoub's coming.
11:22 Speaker 03 Who's the biggest, who's the biggest Knicks fan? So that is, that is certainly a big part of it. And part of the whole thing with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, people were, the All-Star Game that year, I'm gonna forget where it was, but it was in February and everyone, it might've been in Charlotte, and everyone was saying Kyrie and Kevin Durant have already decided to come into the Knicks. That was in February.
11:41 Pablo Torre? Yeah. As a delusional Knicks fan, that sounds like something I would've believed just from, with no sources, just someone in my barber shop said it.
11:47 Speaker 03 In fact, the two of them before the All-Star Game talked in like a hallway where everyone could see them, everyone in the media, and they were kinda wishful.
11:56 Pablo Torre? In the tunnel, yes. It was in Charlotte, by the way.
11:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was, yeah.
11:59 Pablo Torre? That viral video of them just like having a sniper.
12:01 Speaker 03 Yep, I was standing right there. It was Mike Francesca. I was there. Yep, I saw the whole thing.
12:04 Pablo Torre? Big Francesca, the guy at the pool. So 2019, it's not LeBron, Wade, and Bosch, it's Kyrie, it's KD, and Kawhi Leonard. And the Knicks, Frank, had a ton of cap space.
12:17 Speaker 03 Yep.
12:18 Pablo Torre? And I've been looking at the summer of 2019 because that was a summer when Kawhi Leonard chose to go to the Clippers. That's the rabbit hole I've been in for pretty much all of this year. It's a summer, by the way, that in retrospect, kinda changed the NBA.
12:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:30 Pablo Torre? Kawhi goes to the Clippers, Paul George goes to the Clippers, the Thunder get everything. The Thunder are now in position to own.
12:38 Speaker 03 Kevin Durant blows out his Achilles.
12:39 Pablo Torre? The next decade. And yeah, people, people's ligaments blow up. What I didn't know about that summer, though, was how big a player the Knicks were in terms of free agent superstar recruiting, in terms of like...
12:53 Pablo Torre? You saw what they did in 2010. Mm-hmm. What did they do in 2019? What I am told that the Knicks spent seven figures as part of a top-secret campaign to not just get Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, but also Kawhi Leonard. And you guys are both here because we're gonna watch these videos that no one has ever seen for the first time today. Let's go. So 2019, the Knicks, what they do, as they often do, and Frank knows this, they turned to a marketing and music mogul with the initials S and S. Steve Stout. Steve Stout. Yes.
13:28 Speaker 03 Oh, that's right.
13:29 Pablo Torre? I thought you were gonna say PD. I was like, I gotta go.
13:31 Speaker 03 That's the guy. That's right. That was the guy that was best friends with LeBron. He was gonna get him here. Then the Knicks hired him.
13:36 Pablo Torre? He was arguing as a Knicks surrogate on First Take at one point. Remember that?
13:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's right. And he criticized one of the active players on the roster.
13:43 Pablo Torre? He fired Mike Miller, basically, on television.
13:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:45 Pablo Torre? He got hired. His agency got hired. His agency's name is Translation. It turns out that this agency got hired. And we know this because we just spent months, three months now, just calling around the league, trying to figure out like, okay, I heard there's a Kawhi Leonard video that they made that no one's seen. And we got in touch with the guys who made it. And one of them agreed to come on camera.
14:08 Speaker 07 Yeah, so I'm Chaucer Barnes. I'm Chief Marketing Officer of Translation. And this all started with a conversation between Steve Stout, our founder, and I believe Jim Dolan. Obviously, the free agency window is coming up. And there was a desire to create some like, I guess what you would call,
14:32 Speaker 07 like, more intimate assets to talk to a couple of superstars than they would normally produce. And, you know, they had a lot of cap space at the time, and they wanted to go after some big stars. And so they highlighted the 3Ks, you know? And they're like, yeah, we wanna get after them. Can you write me? It was kinda like the Cyrano de Bergerac. You know what I mean? Like, but not being able to talk to Roxanne, not being able to follow her around. So, you know, what would be persuasive to these guys?
15:02 Pablo Torre? A lot of literary references in this episode. Robert Frost. That guy's name is Chaucer. Listen.
15:06 Speaker 03 But by the way, if you're thinking you're gonna get through to Kawhi Leonard, come on now. Nobody knows what makes him pick.
15:13 Pablo Torre? Well, this was the challenge, right?
15:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, come on.
15:15 Pablo Torre? Well, okay, so the 3Ks.
15:16 Speaker 03 This is the challenge. This is what's gonna make him.
15:19 Pablo Torre? For the audio-only audience, Frank Isole is making a motion in which he is rubbing his fingers. Rubbing the fingers. The three Ks, Jesus. Kawhi, KD, Kyrie.
15:29 Speaker 01 I heard three Ks and I...
15:32 Speaker 01 Listen.
15:32 Pablo Torre? He's getting ready to run out. For the audio-only audience, Jesus is grimacing.
15:35 Speaker 01 I'll take a ring any way possible, okay? I'm not asking questions.
15:39 Pablo Torre? But, under the hood of this operation, so to speak, the question was, how do you recruit Kawhi Leonard? And Steve Ballmer had one answer. I've been reporting the contours of that. It involves Uncle Dennis Robertson, who was reportedly asking for no-show jobs and equity in private companies, and the team itself, and real estate deals, and all of that. Many episodes about that separately. But the Knicks clearly thought they were in it because they invested in what was called, quote, "a highly personalized gift." They wanted to do this thing bespoke. And what they decided to do, we love unboxing videos on this show, what this company did was they got a literal box, a pizza box.
16:19 Speaker 01 It's a Knicks pizza box with Knicks gear, Knicks merchandise, a little kith on it. You know, they said, "Hey, here's some free swag." And it says, "Please watch the film below." Oh, is that a monitor inside? Ooh.
16:32 Pablo Torre? There's a monitor.
16:33 Speaker 01 We've heard all the stops.
16:34 Pablo Torre? There's a monitor inside of this custom bespoke pizza box. And when you open the box and you begin to watch, you see this.
16:44 Speaker 08 We're here at Madison Square Garden and the season opener, probably the biggest ever. Why? Because it's Kawhi Leonard's first night wearing the blue and orange. This city is in a frenzy. Kids everywhere are putting their hair in cornrows. In fact, I tried. It didn't work. But let me tell you, this is the big one. What's up, Kawhi's chain? Welcome to New York, baby.
17:07 Speaker 09 What's up, Michael Che?
17:12 Speaker 09 See, in my head, I was like, how did they have him watching this? But no, no, no, it's a, it's a doppelganger.
17:17 Pablo Torre? It's Jay Pharoah.
17:18 Speaker 09 Jay Pharoah, shout out to the homie right there.
17:21 Pablo Torre? It is Jay Pharoah, Michael J. Uh, there's a lot of SNL in what we're about to watch here. And I just gotta say that Jay Pharoah, so far, is a very compelling Kauai letter.
17:30 Speaker 09 He's great. The braids are very authentic. From the back, I didn't know it wasn't him.
17:34 Pablo Torre? He's a method Kauai.
17:35 Speaker 09 Yeah.
17:36 Pablo Torre? And from there, the video proceeds.
17:43 Speaker 09 I don't wanna draw too much attention to myself, alright? Oh, oh, I got you, I got you. Low profile, I forgot about that. Hey, man, you ready to see the city or what? Well, I was actually about to head to Madison Square Garden, so... Oh, no, man, we got plenty of time to do that, man. Right now, I just wanna show you New York. What about Goodfellas? Uh, what about, what about Mean Streets?
17:59 Pablo Torre? Yeah, both, you know, those are good New York movies. Can I get some sauerkraut, please?
18:01 Speaker 09 Yeah, sure.
18:02 Pablo Torre? I'd have to say for me, favorite New York movies probably between Muppets Take Manhattan and Rocky. Leaning towards Rocky.
18:07 Speaker 09 No way.
18:09 Pablo Torre? Why not?
18:10 Speaker 09 Rocky's from Philly.
18:11 Pablo Torre? He's from Philly, but he's, no, he's originally from New York.
18:14 Speaker 09 No, it's Shaun, Philly, he's a Philly guy. Oh, yo, hey, Jay.
18:17 Pablo Torre? That's the New York, that's totally New York. Can I have that, please? I gotta go, it's Kauai's first game, so I gotta go see it. I'm not paying for this.
18:23 Speaker 09 Always the rich ones.
18:24 Pablo Torre? There he is. There's Mr. Ben Stiller. Showing a claw at the end. They are, they are going for it. They are. They're like... All the stops are out. So, we were told that Ben Stiller just rearranged his whole day to shoot that scene. They considered, apparently, Spike Lee, but only briefly, because it was, quote, "just too obvious, almost, to get Spike in that." Yeah. And so, the question I'm contemplating, uh, and I'm curious how you guys would respond if you were Kauai Leonard, like, you're watching a video in which someone is impersonating you, and so you kind of gotta thread the needle on a respectful impersonation. Yep, yes. That is also convincing you, "I wanna join this organization." And they decide to go north.
19:09 Speaker 09 Oh, snap, we got that champ in the house? What's up, champ? What's up? Well, you see, I'm representing for you already, you see that?
19:17 Speaker 08 Welcome to New York, man. Congratulations, man.
19:19 Speaker 09 That's what's up. What y'all doing around here, man? You need a fade or something? Wait, Keenan, you work here? Yeah, man, it's New York. You know, everybody got a second job. Hey, Jay, you take this man and get some pizza yet? No, we're actually heading to Madison Square Garden. Jay, you better take this man and get some pizza, he need to eat. Look how big he is.
19:40 Pablo Torre? Grinjo's Pizza, they're uptown, now they're downtown.
19:42 Speaker 09 I know you don't like to eat before a game, but you gotta try some New York City pizza.
19:47 Speaker 09 Hey, everything good over here? Well, it's great.
19:49 Speaker 10 Hey, Paulie, let me get a pie.
19:51 Speaker 09 I told you, Biggs, no more pies for you.
19:54 Speaker 10 All right, I promise I will eat it this time.
19:56 Speaker 09 No, Biggs.
20:00 Speaker 10 Oh, what is up, champ? Hey, let's bring one back to New York, all right? Let's go Knicks, come on, my dude, my dude!
20:10 Speaker 09 Get out of here, Biggs.
20:11 Speaker 01 I like how everyone in this video talks the way people in New York talked when Marikoch was around. It was like, yo, I'm walking, whoa, Madison Square Garden, pizza. Like, no one talks like that anymore. Nobody went to school back then. By the way, does he know anybody?
20:27 Pablo Torre? Does he know any of the people in this video?
20:29 Speaker 01 Maybe Michael Che. Yeah, after that, you're just like, no way. There's no way he knows who Al Roker is.
20:35 Pablo Torre? That's very, that's very local.
20:37 Speaker 01 It's very low, maybe from like the Macy's Parade?
20:40 Pablo Torre? Maybe.
20:41 Speaker 01 Kawhi Leonard's getting up early on a Thursday, Thanksgiving.
20:44 Pablo Torre? Watching a giant Snoopy.
20:46 Speaker 01 No chance.
20:48 Pablo Torre? This is clearly oriented around Kawhi Leonard comedy fan. And like, movie enthusiast? Like, so Jason Biggs, I didn't know, did you guys know Jason Biggs was a Knicks fan?
20:57 Speaker 01 Well, I didn't even know it was him. You know what, they will show him on like the jump trail, I'll be like,
21:03 Speaker 01 the guy from the movie. American Pie. It's kind of, but he's like six or seven into the game that they'll introduce. Yeah, not the first.
21:11 Pablo Torre? There is, there is a, yes, the, the-
21:12 Speaker 01 He's a second quarter, third quarter guy, not a fourth quarter guy. We're not talking Steve Sharip.
21:16 Pablo Torre? Nah, nah, nah, nah.
21:18 Speaker 01 Edie Falco, come on, come on. Only the best here.
21:21 Pablo Torre? That is, uh, yeah, it's Jason Biggs making a joke about how he [BLEEP] pies, but it's a pizza pie, and, and so-
21:28 Speaker 01 I didn't even catch that, see? Neither did Kawhi, believe me.
21:31 Pablo Torre? There are levels, levels, nuance. It's elaborate, and geographically, they're going from north to south, and then back up north to Rucker Park, where Jay Pharoah slash Kawhi Leonard decides to make an appearance.
21:48 Speaker 11 Heads up.
21:50 Speaker 09 Y'all need one more?
21:51 Speaker 11 Nah, we good. You handle what you gotta do at the Garden tonight. We'll handle things here.
21:57 Speaker 09 Alright, kid. Do your thing. I'll be over here if you need me.
22:02 Speaker 11 Kawhi, that's money!
22:05 Speaker 08 See, champ? I got moves. Okay? Boardman gets paid. Let me know if you need me at the Mecca. I got your back, Kawhi. Yo, come on, y'all. Let's play, man.
22:18 Speaker 03 That part was good.
22:20 Speaker 01 That worked. That worked. Like, you could've just had that scene right there. You need all the other stuff.
22:24 Speaker 03 And I would throw in a couple good-looking women. Seriously.
22:28 Speaker 01 It's very dude-friendly.
22:29 Speaker 03 Yeah. There are women who live in New York.
22:32 Speaker 01 We have no female Nick fans in this thing.
22:35 Pablo Torre? There is, there is an audience of one mentality here, where you're like drilling down to what would this guy like? And I do feel like there's some obvious cards left on the table.
22:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:44 Pablo Torre? But Tracy Morgan showing up to block a kid's shot, I enjoyed it. If you're wondering what it's like to tape with Tracy Morgan at Rucker Park, while, by the way, Jay Pharoah, again, is trying to be so restrained in his impression without like crossing the line.
22:58 Speaker 01 Right.
22:59 Pablo Torre? So he's like, kind of a, he's a good dude.
23:01 Speaker 01 He doesn't want to be insulting?
23:03 Pablo Torre? No, he's like helpful to the kids.
23:05 Speaker 01 He definitely feels like an SNL sketch that at any moment is about to go very left. Very left.
23:10 Pablo Torre? And something that went left was an experience taped with Tracy Morgan as one of the creatives from the translation agency named Chris Mendez decided to tell us about.
23:19 Speaker 12 Tracy Morgan pulled up in like a half a million dollar Ferrari. As you've heard, he's done. He pulls up to Rucker Park. He parks it sideways and just like gets out the car. And he's like, where do I go? And we're like, yo, go over there. And people are like, are you worried about your car getting towed? And he's like, that car is too expensive to tow.
23:36 Speaker 12 And he kind of just left it there. And it's funny because like you could tell like the local cops knew him. Like, everyone was like down. It was just such an, and again, it was like such a New York moment because down to like people walking down the street, like wondering what we're shooting to like cops. Everyone was like, the minute they found out I was for the Knicks, they were like whistling, looking that way. They're like, do your thing, you know, so.
23:57 Speaker 01 Sounds about right.
23:58 Pablo Torre? I mean, parking again. You could be Frank Isola with special, you know.
24:01 Speaker 03 He needs those New York press plates.
24:03 Pablo Torre? That's right.
24:03 Speaker 01 I used to work at the library, the Spite and Dive Library, and Tracy Morgan's kid went to school across the street. So he would just come in like a drop top Bentley and just park in front of the library, not locking the door or anything, roof it off, and who's gonna steal his drop top Bentley? I'm like, I don't even know how to drive that.
24:20 Speaker 03 I thought he did that during the playoffs last year.
24:21 Speaker 01 He does it. He has so many cars and he's so rich and he just drives around, no security, just chilling. He's Tracy Morgan.
24:26 Pablo Torre? Outside MSG, you'll see him like dap up kids. He'd give like an inspirational speech to like one of those kids or something like that.
24:33 Speaker 01 He'll change your life.
24:34 Speaker 03 Yeah. I think he would resonate with Kawhi. So far, nobody else. I'm sorry.
24:38 Pablo Torre? So at this point, with I think that being a concern, the assembled actors and entertainers decide to basically just break the fourth wall and appeal directly.
24:49 Speaker 09 Yo, what's up, Kawhi? Uh, listen, I'm Jay Pharoah. As you know, I'm the guy who plays you this whole thing. You should come to New York, man. Look at the Garden. You see all them people in there? I'm one of them.
24:58 Speaker 08 If you are here in New York, I will personally come to your home and give you a forecast every afternoon.
25:05 Speaker 09 A humble New York Knickerbocker fan, and we need you at the Garden, brother.
25:10 Speaker 10 I don't need to tell you about basketball, but I can tell you about New York. First of all, the weather's awesome.
25:16 Speaker 03 He's holding an umbrella.
25:17 Speaker 10 The Knicks won a championship when I was eight. So I'd like another one before I die. Time is running out.
25:26 Speaker 09 Man, you need to come to New York, man. You need to chill your ass out in New York. Come play, you know what I'm saying? You gonna get all the women. I mean, I know you married, but you know that everybody have a little sad piece. You know what I'm saying? You can't have a value man without having a little, you know what I'm saying, some Whopper fries. But yeah, come on to New York, man. We got everything for you. Uh, we got lots of barber shops, so you know you'll be tight for every, every game.
25:44 Speaker 10 I'm kind of a big deal, all right? I walk down the streets, people go nuts.
25:50 Speaker 09 What else do we got? Uh, Puerto Ricans? I know y'all ain't got no Puerto Ricans in Toronto. We got several left, so come on down, bro. Play with the Puerto Ricans.
25:56 Speaker 10 You are next level. Like, I'm like here and you're like...
26:01 Pablo Torre? Here.
26:02 Speaker 09 You need to get on Drake's plane. That's what you need to do. You need to fly that plane from Toronto. You need to bring that ass to New York. There's nothing like winning in New York. Just try it. It's a good idea because I said so. Ah, and I can give you a private jet. Know why? I got money. Bam. You want money? Come here. Come see us. Holler at me. I'll be waiting for you. When I think of Kawhi Leonard, I think of prosperity. You know how many crackheads there are in the city? You know how many people stopped doing crack if you came here, Kawhi?
26:36 Speaker 01 Where was Harvey Weinstein? What was he doing? He couldn't be in this video. Come on, Harvey.
26:41 Speaker 03 Let me answer your question. All right, this happens to me. Somebody, I have somebody come up to you. They start talking, "Oh, I thought you were so-and-so."
26:47 Speaker 01 I said... All the time.
26:48 Speaker 03 They'll say, "Oh, I know a guy that looks like you." I said, "The guy better be good-looking." All right? That's not Idris Alba. That's no offense to Jay Pharoah.
26:55 Speaker 01 Right.
26:56 Speaker 03 So like, don't you, I think Kawhi Leonard would be insulted by that. I really do.
27:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:00 Speaker 03 But not that the guy's gotta be better-looking. He doesn't have to look like you. He's gotta be better-looking.
27:04 Speaker 01 But if he's funny, it's not as threatening.
27:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:07 Speaker 01 Because if he was, if it was just like some gorgeous model, like...
27:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:12 Speaker 01 I'm hip, like, no. It's like, oh, the comedy softens it. And you're like, okay, I can, I can take a little light ribbing, that kind of thing.
27:19 Speaker 03 But this is Kawhi, though.
27:20 Speaker 01 It is, but also, we don't know anything about Kawhi.
27:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, we found out. Pablo reported, he pulls at the dirt with one hand, plants a tree with the other.
27:27 Speaker 01 He is. He's the tree god.
27:28 Speaker 03 That's those big, that's what, now we know what that big claw is for. Digging, digging that hole, sticking the tree in there.
27:34 Speaker 01 Tree man gets paid?
27:37 Pablo Torre? Unfortunately, for those who don't remember how that summer went, uh...
27:42 Speaker 03 Not good.
27:43 Speaker 01 Wait, we didn't get KD? We didn't, we didn't get Kawhi?
27:46 Pablo Torre? Speaking, speaking of what the Knicks did try to do to get Kyrie and KD...
27:52 Pablo Torre? That's after the break.
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29:42 Pablo Torre? Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, they're playing footsie all, you know, all year, basically. And I do want to show what the Knicks prepared for Kyrie first. Because again, they don't just do it as if like, here's an email attachment. They made, you know, for kids who don't remember what this object is, D'Sus, what is this object?
30:01 Speaker 01 I was about to date myself and say it's an Apple II, but it's not. This is a TV with a built-in VCR?
30:07 Pablo Torre? Yeah. Wow. It's like, uh, it's sort of, uh. The. The parent. Crack is whack. Yep, exactly. All around, it's like origin blue. Yep, all these, you can see the. I got the. Eye open. Yeah, got the Kyrie Irving KI. Oh, that's right. That's his logo. Yep, street artist Eric Hayes is the artist who put work into this. That's actually not bad. Yeah. I don't think, I don't know if it's gonna impress him, but. Well, and when you press play on this thing, what it was designed to do was show you this.
30:42 Speaker 09 Kyrie Irving was made for the New York Knicks.
30:44 Speaker 08 New York City basketball is in Kyrie Irving's blood. Was rooted for here. He's a guy that played in the park. When Kyrie was young, his father used to bring him to the gym, and he was too young to play with us. That boy used to watch me. He has that mental toughness, a heart of the lion. The grit, the hunger. All that stuff he does, it came from the playground. The crossover, the jelly. He has New York City flair. And the DNA of New York City is Kyrie Irving.
31:12 Pablo Torre? This is very street ball oriented. They decided to appeal to that. Speedy Williams, Rucker Park legend, Earl the Pearl Monroe, who's also, yes, legendary on the outdoor court. Blackjack Ryan, also very famous in the street ball world. That's the angle they're going with. And it's sweet. It's like, okay, they're appealing to tradition, and then they're gonna imagine also a future for Kyrie Irving if he decided to join the Knicks.
31:41 Speaker 15 Hey, my name is Kyrie, and I was named after my favorite baller of all time.
31:48 Speaker 15 Why do you think I named both of them after him?
31:51 Speaker 08 Kyrie. Kyrie's so gifted, he rapped it. Living in the future, the present, he passed it.
31:58 Speaker 09 Kyrie. Kyrie Irving, man.
32:05 Speaker 01 I love that it's just like, oh, we're gonna get Kyrie and it's gonna be so much unprotected sex in New York City. My god, we're just naming the kids left and right.
32:14 Speaker 03 That one's not, that's actually not bad.
32:16 Pablo Torre? It's a vision of 2027. They put the aftermath on there, like, this is what happens if you win in New York, you get a Wheaties box. Um, I will point out that the Wheaties box lately is less sort of, I mean, do we have the?
32:27 Speaker 03 Timothy Chalamet's on it, right?
32:28 Pablo Torre? Exactly. Chalamet has a Wheaties box.
32:30 Speaker 03 Oh, wow.
32:31 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're just, look, hold on, we have a, let's just get.
32:36 Speaker 01 I mean, I haven't looked at a box of Wheaties in quite so, what, $19 now?
32:39 Pablo Torre? Here is the spawn con.
32:41 Speaker 03 Oh.
32:41 Speaker 01 Yeah. Listen.
32:44 Speaker 03 I went to that last night.
32:45 Speaker 01 Look at him.
32:46 Speaker 03 I didn't take one, no, yeah.
32:47 Speaker 01 Was it right? Timothy Chalamet courtside all the time since he was a child, a real New Yorker.
32:53 Speaker 03 And it was where, you know, the big thing is orange. They wanted everybody, you would have fit in perfectly last night. They had. Everybody wore orange today.
32:58 Speaker 01 The Empire State Building was orange last night. Listen, it's like, they bring him on to talk about other things.
33:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:03 Speaker 01 They're like, talk about, you know, childhood cancer. He's like, y'all, childhood cancer's really bad, but you know what's not bad? We're in the NBA cup. And you're like, alright.
33:09 Speaker 03 He was on in London on a show just last week and he mentioned the Knicks. He can't go, he can't go 10 minutes.
33:14 Pablo Torre? I love it. That's a little.
33:14 Speaker 03 He's like you.
33:15 Speaker 01 He's a real Nick fan, real Nick fan. Like, we're gonna talk about it when you don't wanna hear it.
33:19 Pablo Torre? So Kyrie was appealed to in that regard and I, yeah, I think, I think that was, that was largely well done. Kevin Durant, what they provided him in terms of what the object was physically, it was a literal key to the city with a plaque. And the plaque says, Kevin, the city is yours. Continue your legacy in the mecca of basketball.
33:39 Speaker 03 He did. He went, he went to Brooklyn.
33:42 Speaker 01 Just in the wrong borough.
33:44 Speaker 03 He got lost.
33:45 Pablo Torre? So this key, this golden key in this beautiful case was a thumb drive, it turns out. When you plug it in.
33:52 Speaker 03 Clever.
33:53 Pablo Torre? When you plug it in, you get a full-on music video. And some of this has already come out. We reported this, actually broke this news earlier that they made this whole custom thing involving the Wu-Tang Clan and Fat Joe and a bunch of other people about the 2019 Knicks roster.
34:13 Speaker 08 Let me tell you something, man. I was outside in the Rucker. KD scored about 81 points out there. Just shooting miles away. I mean, miles away. That's when I knew he was the real deal. It's only one place to play is the Knicks. There is nothing else, man.
34:32 Speaker 07 That's why you know he belong here in New York.
34:35 Speaker 08 What's up, KD?
34:36 Speaker 07 Come through, babe, bro.
34:37 Speaker 08 We need you.
35:04 Speaker 01 This is the music in the background when you're changing the settings on NBA Live. You're like, let me turn down the sliders.
35:10 Pablo Torre? There are so many people in that video that they hired to do it. And it goes on and on and all that stuff. But the problem with this whole thing, Frank, I need you to help explain the timeline issue with free agency. So these videos were all shot from late May to late June, I believe, in 2019, as we were told. But the free agency window for the NBA legally, officially, opens on June 30th.
35:35 Speaker 03 Yep.
35:36 Pablo Torre? At 6:00 PM. One problem with what happened in 2019, as often happens in NBA free agency, Frank, is what?
35:45 Speaker 03 Well, Woj was breaking stories before even 6 o'clock.
35:49 Pablo Torre? Yes.
35:49 Speaker 03 So how could Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving be going to the Nets having not even spoken to them? How was that even possible?
35:56 Pablo Torre? 4:56 PM.
35:57 Speaker 03 That's what the time was?
35:58 Pablo Torre? Woj tweets out, "Brooklyn is making a clean sweep tonight. Brooklyn will sign Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, and DeAndre Jordan, league sources tell ESPN." An hour before the thing actually opens. And this is an issue because it turns out that if you're this agency and you're the Knicks, like preparing these videos, there was a concern about whether they would actually ever see them.
36:22 Speaker 07 Definitely play by all the rules. Definitely play by all the rules. Um, the Knicks obviously handled that, but they were, they were definitely buttoned up in that respect. Nobody's looking for, um, you know, the unforced error there. We were all throwing our fingers on the table, waiting to get the feedback. Like knowing that we might have had a thing and when the phone never rang for us.
36:44 Speaker 07 Kawhi loves it. Uh, KD's like, when that never happened, that was, um, I don't know. You know, to this day, I don't know who got what. I don't know anything.
36:57 Pablo Torre? And what I did was I made some more calls. We, as a show, decided to keep reporting this story. And I got to Rich Kleiman, Kevin Durant's agent and longtime business partner and New Yorker.
37:08 Speaker 03 Yep.
37:08 Pablo Torre? And I said, had you ever seen any of this stuff, the KD stuff? And he said, quote, "Nah, he never saw it. I haven't even discussed with him. But as a native New Yorker, I just saw it yesterday and Wu-Tang can do anything and I'll like it."
37:22 Speaker 03 Right.
37:22 Pablo Torre? End quote. But what we are learning, given that Kawhi Leonard clearly was being frank, the Clippers were courting Kawhi Leonard.
37:31 Speaker 03 Yep.
37:32 Pablo Torre? Long before 6:00 PM.
37:35 Speaker 03 Yep.
37:35 Pablo Torre? On free agency opening day. And the Nets clearly, and Kyrie and KD, they had been planning something long in advance. And then weirdly, what I'm here to say is that I found out that the Knicks really didn't tamper enough. I don't think.
37:52 Speaker 03 And I agree. We, all right. So if you go back to LeBron, I wrote Charles Oakley's book for him. Thanks for reading it. And Charles Oakley talks about, uh, talking with LeBron the summer before.
38:05 Speaker 03 Free agency and he told Charles, I'm gonna go to Miami.
38:08 Speaker 01 Right.
38:09 Speaker 03 Charles knows Pat Riley, he ran into him in Miami, told him that. Pat Riley kind of ignored it because he was worried about tampering and things like that. I remember walking into, running into Mike Miller. Mike Miller said, he ran into LeBron like in May. LeBron saw him and he said, what are you, what are you gonna do? I'm gonna go to Miami. The players, the players all know.
38:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:28 Speaker 03 It's amazing how they all know because the Kevin Durant and Kyrie stuff. February was a going to the Knicks and then all of a sudden by March, April, there was a shift where people saying, they're going, they're both gonna go to the Nets. I was, I was saying, really? Yeah, no, they're gonna go to the Nets. And by now you've heard the Knicks, but everyone said, no, they're switch, they're, they don't wanna go, they're gonna go to the, uh, they're gonna go to Brooklyn.
38:48 Speaker 01 Right.
38:48 Speaker 03 And play for the Nets. So all this stuff that they do, the intentions are good.
38:52 Speaker 01 Yes.
38:52 Speaker 03 But all this stuff behind the scenes, it's just like your guy Uncle Dennis. We all heard, it was like the, I always feel like it was the Mark Maguire, Barry Bonds thing about, guys are using steroids, but everybody in the media ignored it. Everyone was hearing Dennis is asking for the moon, he's asking for the moon. Everyone ignored it. Obviously the Clippers gave him the moon because that's where he ended up.
39:10 Speaker 01 Right. I love that also as a regular fan, as a casual, you're just really thinking like everyone plays by the rules. The tampering rules are so serious. No one's sending any text messages, no conversations happening. And then once you actually get in the business and you start meeting, people are like, oh, I know where I'm gonna be three years from now.
39:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:26 Speaker 01 You don't have to recruit me, I know exactly where. You're like, oh, it's not all hunky dory like that. And also, as you said, we need to tamper more. We need to tamper more.
39:33 Speaker 03 What did Fred VanVleet just recently say? He said that when we first met with Kawhi, he says it's gonna be a one year thing. I'm not gonna be here next year.
39:39 Speaker 16 He did what he came to do.
39:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:42 Speaker 16 Yeah. And he said it from day one, I'm not staying here.
39:48 Speaker 01 You know what? He never said he was gonna stay, so.
39:51 Speaker 16 He, from, from day one, I don't know why they traded for me. I don't wanna be here, I'm not staying here.
40:00 Speaker 03 So a lot of us thought it was between Toronto and the Clippers. Obviously it wasn't. Still a great trade though. Would you trade a guy for one year to win a championship? If you haven't, if you've never won one and they probably won't win one ever again? It's worth it.
40:12 Pablo Torre? Absolutely. I mean, the Kawhi thing though, what we're finding out is that it is very likely that the first time Kawhi, and Kawhi. If you're not subscribing to Propel Torre Finds Out, you're missing a lot of information about your own life. But the first time he may ever see this is this way.
40:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:31 Pablo Torre? Like, so KD never saw that, Kyrie probably never saw that, Kawhi probably never saw that. Like, they were on to the... They weren't opening up, like, Knicks marketing recruiting packages?
40:42 Speaker 01 Also, when you got the key, did he even know it was a USB stick? Also, you can't just be opening... You can't just insert a USB stick into a random computer if you don't know where it came from, so...
40:51 Pablo Torre? The Knicks are so good at getting famous people into the building as fans.
40:57 Speaker 01 Yes.
40:58 Pablo Torre? But the question of, like, how do you actually leverage what makes this city special from the entertainment perspective? This is now a decade of trying to do this stuff, but not quite getting the game correct.
41:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:11 Pablo Torre? And so, I don't... Yeah, Frank, I don't know. I don't know. Do you... The Knicks now are in a different place.
41:16 Speaker 01 Yes.
41:17 Pablo Torre? Desus is celebrating... I mean, Desus is, I believe, now working for the United Arab Emirates.
41:22 Speaker 01 You know, I knew, ever since I was a young child, growing up, I always wanted the NBA Cup. I just remember growing up in the Bronx, and, you know, it's finally come true, so I have to pay them back.
41:33 Speaker 03 He wants a first-class ticket on Emirates. That's why he keeps mentioning Emirates NBA Cup.
41:37 Pablo Torre? They have great airlines.
41:38 Speaker 01 It worked for Eric Adams, so, you know.
41:42 Pablo Torre? Where is... Can Eric Adams pop up in a Knicks recruiting video at some point?
41:46 Speaker 03 He might be. You're gonna have to tape it in New Jersey. I think he's in Fort Lee, right? Isn't that where he lives?
41:51 Speaker 01 He... No, right now, he's like, he is like a parent whose child is going away to college. He's out every night, he's going on trips. Like, we don't know... New York won every morning, and they're like, "He might be here."
42:03 Speaker 03 Your boy will do it.
42:05 Pablo Torre? Zaron?
42:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:06 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah.
42:06 Speaker 03 And he's a footballer, too.
42:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. He... Listen, he sent that tweet out right when the game ended yesterday.
42:11 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
42:12 Speaker 01 He did not have to wait for the PR people. He didn't... You know, Eric Adams would have got in a row. He would have been like, "Oh, we're proud of our champions from Barclays Center", and then they would have edited the tweet, and then like, "The Madison Square Garden", something like that. So, we got some things going on here. We were in a new place.
42:25 Speaker 03 You think professional athletes at that level, that much money, really care about guys, like actors and singers and rappers recruiting them? I don't think they do.
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43:52 Speaker 01 Shout out to Harry S. Truman High School in the Bronx. I went there in elementary school because my elementary school had asbestos. So we had to be on the top floor of Harry S. Truman High School for a year. We did not see the sun. We were just indoors.
44:07 Speaker 03 I put in security cameras there.
44:09 Speaker 01 Did you?
44:10 Speaker 03 I helped my father run the line. This is like a million years ago. And you're right, I kept thinking, there's no windows in this school.
44:16 Speaker 01 There's no windows. It was like a prison.
44:18 Pablo Torre? No, it's a greatness ring. The true greatness ring is the top floor.
44:23 Speaker 01 That's the real Mecca. The next video, they're gonna have like little kids like, yeah, come to school here, man. We got no windows. We see a window for a championship.
44:31 Speaker 03 And I'm like a punk kid growing up along that. I'm like, wow, they need security cameras in the high school. Wow, what's going on here?
44:37 Speaker 01 There was a lot going on in that school.
44:38 Pablo Torre? You were laying wire? That was...
44:41 Speaker 03 It was like my father's second job. So I think I might have got 10 bucks an hour. I'm not gonna say how long ago it was.
44:46 Speaker 01 Dude, I have uncles and family members like, "He was doing wire at a young age? Doesn't get better than that." Don't talk about the athletes. Tell them more about that. Like, what was the price of copper?
44:56 Speaker 03 Dude, 10 bucks an hour?
44:57 Speaker 01 Listen, you can't beat that. You're on the L I double R, smoking a cigar.
45:03 Speaker 03 I'm in the beer car.
45:04 Speaker 01 You're in the beer car. You're waiting for my tracks, like, eh, what's going on tonight?
45:08 Speaker 03 Got a change at Jamaica again.
45:09 Speaker 01 Oh, man.
45:10 Speaker 03 Dog it.
45:11 Speaker 01 Oh, is it peak time?
45:14 Speaker 03 I tried to cause more money to peak. He knows.
45:17 Pablo Torre? I guess what I'm left thinking at the end here, well, I guess I'm left thinking about a poet, a poet by the name of Robert Frost.
45:23 Speaker 03 How interesting.
45:24 Pablo Torre? Who once said, "In the road not taken, I shall be telling this with a sigh, somewhere ages and ages hence, two roads diverged in a wood." And Kawhi, Kawhi took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
45:40 Speaker 03 Robert Frost. Well done.
45:43 Speaker 01 This hour, every time you think of Robert Frost, you think of Harvey Weinstein.
45:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:47 Speaker 01 That's his legacy.
45:48 Speaker 03 And running wire in Howard Truman High School.
45:51 Speaker 01 In L I. Listen, I could call Mike Fresson and talk about this for an hour. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you even understand how good a job like that was? Like, that's generational, Mike.
46:01 Pablo Torre? I dare say that Harvey Weinstein, much like Frank Isola and Desus Nice, all familiar with what it's like to be in a room without windows.
46:08 Speaker 01 Yes.
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