Pod Insights Pablo Torre Finds Out Maury Povich and Connie Chung Love Each Other to Death About this episode He's always early; she's always late. She holds grudges; he doesn't. But after more than 40 years together, this TV power couple has learned to take the work seriously — and themselves less so. The recovering sportscaster and principled anchor pass through the studio to settle beefs, count Nick Cannon's children and take stock of a news business run by billionaires. Plus: Tony Kornheiser's emotional support animal, feigning incredulity... and a five-pack pre-roll for five bucks.
Further content:
• Subscribe to "On Par with Maury Povich" https://pod.link/1803175670
• Read "Connie: A Memoir" https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/connie-chung/connie/9781668639528/
• Pablo and Maury on "We Playin' Spades" with Nick Cannon & Courtney Bee https://pod.link/1703838739/episode/Z2lkOi8vYXJ0MTktZXBpc29kZS1sb2NhdG9yL1YwL28tZXp4WTNFaDExXzJRQm5HV0NwZ3lUdTJKY2FWaTAyMEZhby1manZFVnM
• Previously on PTFO: The News Anchor America Needed https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUyZDM0OTYtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtNGI3MmUwMDc0NjFl
• Previously on PTFO: Sex, Lies, and Longevity with TV Legend Maury Povich https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUyYTFlNjQtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtYWI5NTMyMzlkOWU0
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1:59 Pablo Torre? Is it possible that Connie gets here late, but then leaves later?
2:04 Speaker 01 Absolutely.
2:05 Pablo Torre? So I do want to clarify for the audience, what's happening here is that we're gonna get one period of just you, Maury Povich, talking [BLEEP] about Connie Chung.
2:16 Speaker 01 No problem.
2:17 Pablo Torre? And then at some point, you're gonna get out of here.
2:20 Speaker 01 Right. Because I have my podcast to do.
2:23 Pablo Torre? I know, because you're-
2:23 Speaker 01 On par with Maury Povich.
2:25 Pablo Torre? Because you're a media magnate.
2:26 Speaker 01 I mean, I'm gonna do the same thing you do when you substitute on PTI, you know? I got the sign right here, "On par with Maury Povich."
2:35 Pablo Torre? Oh, you want you-
2:35 Speaker 01 On YouTube, Apple, Spotify, all of your social media platforms.
2:40 Pablo Torre? How dare you, how dare you throw shade at my unrepentant promotion of this show on every possible platform?
2:48 Speaker 01 Wow. In fact, I was shocked the other day when, uh, Will Bond wasn't there, and so you're always Tony's-
2:59 Pablo Torre? That's right.
3:00 Speaker 01 Partner, and then you didn't show up.
3:02 Pablo Torre? I was not there.
3:04 Speaker 01 It must have been a very important place you were.
3:06 Pablo Torre? I was traveling somewhere and was very heartbroken to not be Tony Kornheiser's emotional support animal.
3:12 Speaker 01 Right.
3:13 Pablo Torre? That's something I really do value the exclusivity of, the intimacy of that relationship.
3:18 Speaker 01 You don't go on with Will Bond, mostly, and-
3:20 Pablo Torre? Will Bond won't have me. Maybe you can put a word in.
3:22 Speaker 01 No, he wants the other guy.
3:23 Pablo Torre? He wants Frank Isola, he wants Frankie Ice. He's a different kink.
3:29 Pablo Torre? His thing is a different thing. But this thing, by the way, this thing, you have to help me explain to the audience how long I've been trying to put this summit together.
3:39 Speaker 01 Starting in the spring, maybe.
3:41 Pablo Torre? Uh, bef- la- last year.
3:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:43 Pablo Torre? I mean, literally, the first time you came on the show, I was like, what if we get-
3:45 Speaker 01 Wait a second, we've never appeared together on your show?
3:48 Pablo Torre? No, no, no, you, me, and your better half.
3:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:52 Pablo Torre? The three of us have not done this, and you came on the show-
3:55 Speaker 01 Connie's been on your show, I've been on your show. The fact that you would want us together, very brave.
4:02 Pablo Torre? Well, I've been warned against it.
4:04 Speaker 01 It's not. I mean, she's gonna show up here, and I will be clueless as to what's gonna come out of her mouth. And quite frankly, I mean, I'll tell you.
4:16 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
4:16 Speaker 01 Now I'll even tell her when she. We are in the we don't like each other stage right now.
4:21 Pablo Torre? So far, that checks out based on.
4:24 Speaker 01 Something's going on. I don't know. Maybe it's in the water. But, you know, we've been married for over 40 years. We love each other to death. But quite frankly, there are times we do not like each other. And I think this is one of those times.
4:40 Pablo Torre? This podcast is one of those times.
4:42 Speaker 01 And when she comes on, you'll understand it. She pays me. Much just grief, a lot of grief.
4:51 Pablo Torre? I feel like that that general observation is most substantiated by the fact that this chair is empty right now.
4:56 Speaker 01 I know. I mean, I'm looking at the empty chair and quite frankly, it looks good.
5:19 Speaker 01 I'll tell her when she comes in that we've been discussing how we don't like each other these days.
5:23 Pablo Torre? And I'm gonna immediately turn on you and take her side just so you're aware of the dynamic that's gonna happen here.
5:28 Speaker 01 I mean, yeah.
5:29 Pablo Torre? I'm gonna abandon you immediately.
5:30 Speaker 01 There's a time in in the life of a couple where you just don't know. How to handle it, you know, you're kind of walking on eggshells.
5:41 Pablo Torre? I can go sign this personally.
5:42 Speaker 01 Right. You know that?
5:43 Pablo Torre? You know, but what I relate to and part of, again, my genuine love for your love, such as it is, is that you guys are both incredibly individually accomplished, busy people with trajectories.
5:58 Speaker 01 Right.
5:58 Pablo Torre? That I know based on both the book that Connie read, which you talked about the last time she was here, and also from my friendship with you, such as the time we beat Nick Cannon in spades together recently.
6:08 Speaker 01 Boy, was that an overwhelming victory.
6:11 Pablo Torre? I mean, not close.
6:13 Speaker 01 I mean, I haven't played spades in 50 years, maybe 60.
6:17 Speaker 04 We gotta pull pull these out. Mm hmm. Y'all beat the draws off us.
6:21 Speaker 01 Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord. Look at that.
6:23 Speaker 04 Y'all beat the draws.
6:24 Speaker 01 Congratulations, Pablo.
6:25 Speaker 04 They gotta sign the draw.
6:28 Pablo Torre? I would say that the two of us together made history.
6:31 Speaker 01 Yes, we did.
6:31 Pablo Torre? We made podcast history.
6:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, but he was a gracious loser.
6:35 Pablo Torre? A gracious loser, and I would beat him again. I would happily go back and defend our title.
6:42 Speaker 01 You know, I knew about Nick a little bit. He's some entrepreneur.
6:46 Pablo Torre? You're talking about him just in terms of like his sperm? Or you're talking about in terms of his actual business?
6:51 Speaker 01 That too, but I mean, all of his business ventures.
6:54 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah.
6:55 Speaker 01 He's huge.
6:56 Pablo Torre? Well, look, the guy is in all fields prolific.
7:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, absolutely. Especially when he's counting up his five-year-olds and three-year-olds.
7:06 Pablo Torre? I keep on forgetting how many kids Nick Cannon has. I'm looking it up now.
7:11 Speaker 01 It's 12, I think.
7:12 Pablo Torre? It's 12. And he had some number in the same year, which we talked about. And thankfully, he allowed us to remain, even though you dug in with your dogged reporting.
7:22 Speaker 01 I had to. I mean, you know, COVID.
7:26 Pablo Torre? COVID was a hell of a time.
7:27 Speaker 01 COVID produced a lot of dogs for people.
7:30 Pablo Torre? A lot of dogs, a lot of podcasts, and in Nick Cannon's case, multiple lovely, beautiful children, whose names he absolutely can tell you on demand.
7:39 Speaker 01 Which is good.
7:40 Pablo Torre? Which is impressive, and I don't know if I could do the same.
7:42 Speaker 01 So let me turn it back on you.
7:44 Pablo Torre? Why? Why are we doing that?
7:46 Speaker 01 Well, first of all, I know all about your investigations into the basketball stuff and gambling and stuff.
7:52 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
7:53 Speaker 01 Did you expect it to bleed into baseball?
7:56 Pablo Torre? I am unsurprised because, I mean, Maury, when you can pitch a whatever, a mile per hour slower than what the line is, the legal gambling operator's set line is, and you can make people money, the incentive is so appealing. If you're the least bit unconcerned with the integrity of the sport, you can easily convince yourself, I can get away with this.
8:24 Speaker 01 Right. Once all these exotic bets came, you knew that it was, there was going to be trouble.
8:30 Pablo Torre? Can you imagine if people could bet on whether or not someone would be the father?
8:34 Speaker 05 Like I said, I'm not 100, I'm not 200, I'm 5,000%. Let's hear it. Let's hear it.
8:41 Speaker 01 When it comes to four-month-old Dany, Andrew, you are not the father.
8:54 Speaker 01 Guess what? Shaquille O'Neal and his buddies watched my show all the time, bet lots of money with each other
9:00 Pablo Torre? His tracks.
9:01 Speaker 01 to find out whether they were the father or not. He was a great lover of the show and he and his buddies would all watch and bet.
9:10 Pablo Torre? Maury, you could have been leaking inside information to one of Shaq's entourage members and just totally cleaned him out.
9:18 Speaker 01 You know, it's very interesting about the show. I've talked to many, many professional athletes, even football players.
9:26 Pablo Torre? Oh, hold on, your wife's calling you.
9:28 Speaker 01 Oh, boy. Okay, I'm starting the show without you.
9:35 Speaker 06 Three minutes away.
9:36 Speaker 01 You're three minutes away.
9:38 Speaker 06 Yeah, can you tell, ask them to send somebody to the lobby?
9:42 Speaker 01 Send somebody to the lobby? Okay, we'll do that.
9:46 Speaker 06 So that I can just sail in.
9:48 Speaker 01 Right. Guess what? I'm on with Pablo right now.
9:52 Pablo Torre? Hi.
9:52 Speaker 01 You're part of this.
9:53 Pablo Torre? Hello.
9:54 Speaker 01 So he's gonna talk to me, then we're gonna talk together, then you're gonna stay and talk to him alone and I can leave.
10:01 Speaker 06 Can I stay with Pablo for the rest of the day?
10:06 Pablo Torre? Yes.
10:07 Speaker 01 I've already been talking, honey. I want to prepare you for this because I've told Pablo I've been very honest and transparent. We love each other to death, but quite frankly, these days, we don't like each other.
10:20 Speaker 06 That's absolutely true, Pablo. I had a few meltdowns with Maury this past weekend. Because, because, because.
10:33 Speaker 01 Okay.
10:34 Pablo Torre? Hard to blame you so far.
10:35 Speaker 01 We can explain to everybody how these are periods of our life that we just try to get over.
10:41 Speaker 06 Yes.
10:42 Speaker 01 Okay.
10:42 Pablo Torre? Well, that's a hell of a tease.
10:43 Speaker 01 I'll see ya. Somebody will be down to meet you.
10:45 Pablo Torre? Yes.
10:46 Speaker 01 I'm glad that she was okay with me telling you that we're not liking each other these days.
10:51 Pablo Torre? Now I gotta figure out what all these becausees.
10:53 Speaker 01 No, you're not going there. You better not. Oh, boy. No, it's just internal matters.
11:01 Pablo Torre? You sound like an athlete who's like, we had a players-only meeting.
11:04 Speaker 01 Yeah. Oh, so talking about that.
11:06 Pablo Torre? Yes.
11:07 Speaker 01 I even had to verify this with various people. The show would come on in the morning all around the country. NFL players would be in the locker room getting ready for practice. The coaches are upstairs. They want to, they want to get them out on the field and they won't come out till they find out who the father is. I sat at the Super Bowl last year and behind me was Warren Sapp. I said, "This is what I've been told." And Warren said, "Absolutely, we wouldn't go out there until we found out who the father was."
11:39 Pablo Torre? So you're responsible, you yourself, your show is, it's been responsible for the underperformance of various athletes throughout time. You are a one man handling scandal.
11:50 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, right. Oh boy.
11:52 Speaker 06 Hi honey.
11:53 Speaker 01 Nice to see you.
11:54 Speaker 06 How are you?
11:55 Speaker 01 Good to see you.
11:56 Speaker 06 Hi Pablo.
11:57 Speaker 01 Wow.
11:58 Pablo Torre? Hello.
11:59 Speaker 01 This is, I'm excited, I got a kiss. How are you?
12:03 Pablo Torre? Thank you for being here.
12:04 Speaker 06 It's cold outside.
12:06 Speaker 01 I know honey, I don't need it right now.
12:07 Speaker 06 I know, I know.
12:09 Speaker 01 Okay, why are you being so nice? You haven't been nice all week.
12:13 Speaker 06 Well, neither have you.
12:18 Speaker 06 Hi Pablo.
12:19 Pablo Torre? I'm here to take your side in all arguments. I'm here to totally betray the friendship that I have with your husband.
12:27 Speaker 06 Thank you.
12:28 Pablo Torre? It's not close. Who's right in this argument?
12:31 Speaker 06 Thank you, thank you. We met before.
12:34 Speaker 01 We did.
12:35 Speaker 06 Yeah. Nice to meet you. Do it again. Can I stand up?
12:40 Pablo Torre? Of course.
12:41 Speaker 01 No.
12:42 Speaker 06 Why honey, my back.
12:44 Speaker 01 Oh, is it bad?
12:45 Speaker 06 Oh well, it's always bad.
12:47 Speaker 01 Okay. Is that, did you?
12:49 Speaker 06 Yeah, that's okay.
12:50 Speaker 01 Did the, uh?
12:51 Speaker 06 Is it okay Pablo?
12:52 Pablo Torre? You did it last time. You're more than welcome.
12:54 Speaker 06 It's a, it's a little better.
12:55 Speaker 01 Good.
12:56 Speaker 06 Hi honey. How are you?
12:58 Speaker 01 How are you?
12:59 Speaker 06 Can I, can I stand with Maury?
13:03 Pablo Torre? Can, can Connie Chung stand next to Maury Povich?
13:06 Speaker 06 Oh. Unfortunately, no. No. We'll need you on this mark here. Oh, sorry. That's okay.
13:13 Pablo Torre? For, for, for...
13:14 Speaker 01 There's always a mark Connie, come on.
13:16 Speaker 06 Yeah.
13:18 Pablo Torre? Let us explain to you how television works, the two of you.
13:22 Pablo Torre? It's a medium in which people need to cover edits when one of you curses terrifically. No, we'll leave it all in. We're gonna leave it all in.
13:31 Speaker 01 Is the not like period over?
13:33 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah, yeah.
13:35 Speaker 01 Not on this end.
13:36 Speaker 06 Oh, geez. Aw, thank you.
13:42 Pablo Torre? You walked into a trap, Connie.
13:44 Speaker 06 I did.
13:45 Pablo Torre? This entire scenario has been a...
13:47 Speaker 06 I'll hold it up.
13:48 Speaker 01 You've been holding me up for years.
13:53 Speaker 06 Hi, Pablo.
13:53 Pablo Torre? You look great. I love that every time you're like, can I do this thing? And what that thing involves is you showing that you have endurance that far outpaces the other people in this room.
14:03 Speaker 06 No, it's not a test of endurance. It's that I have a bad back. And when I sit down forever, then I can't get up and walk. It's, you know...
14:14 Pablo Torre? It's a degree of athleticism that is not typically shown in this studio, is my point.
14:18 Speaker 06 Hi, Pablo.
14:19 Pablo Torre? Hello.
14:21 Pablo Torre? I've been waiting for this.
14:22 Speaker 01 Why do you like him so much?
14:23 Speaker 06 You know what? He is really smart. He's cool. He's got a sense of humor.
14:30 Speaker 01 Why are you looking at me?
14:31 Speaker 06 No, he's very much like you.
14:34 Speaker 01 Oh, thank you. Wow.
14:36 Pablo Torre? Thank you both.
14:38 Speaker 01 Wow. I'm impressed.
14:40 Speaker 06 I was impressed with Pablo the first time I saw him on ESPN.
14:45 Speaker 01 Now, you were impressed when you looked him up and found out he went to Harvard and all that stuff.
14:48 Speaker 06 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not true. As soon as I saw him on ESPN, on probably Wilbon and...
14:58 Speaker 01 Kornheiser.
15:00 Speaker 06 Pardon the interruption. It was on Pardon the Interruption, I'm pretty sure. And he was, he was really good.
15:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:08 Speaker 06 And I said, "Mori, who's he?"
15:12 Speaker 01 And I said, "He's Pablo."
15:14 Speaker 06 Yeah.
15:16 Pablo Torre? And he said coldly, "He's Pablo."
15:22 Speaker 06 And then I said, I see a little bit of ethnicity there.
15:26 Pablo Torre? I did a genetic test.
15:28 Speaker 01 Oh, you did?
15:29 Speaker 06 You did?
15:29 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
15:30 Speaker 01 And what happened? What'd you find out?
15:31 Pablo Torre? I'm like 11% Chinese.
15:33 Speaker 01 Now, she's ready to move in.
15:36 Speaker 06 11% better. It's even better.
15:40 Pablo Torre? So there's some little, there's a, there's like trace amounts of Spanish and stuff in there.
15:44 Speaker 01 But the Philippines suffered the way China suffered at the hands of the Japanese, so, you know.
15:49 Pablo Torre? Accurate. Very, very true. I didn't bring you guys here to talk about geopolitical history, though.
15:56 Speaker 06 But did you know that Maury is such a history buff and political expert? Seriously.
16:01 Speaker 01 Stop it.
16:02 Speaker 06 He's very, very into all things political and historical.
16:07 Speaker 01 Now, I'm reading this book by Andrew Ross Sorkin called 1929.
16:12 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
16:13 Speaker 01 And I'm reading it because, is it gonna happen again? And, you know, is this bubble, whatever, whatever, everybody, everybody, you know, Bernard Baruch used to say, when the elevator operator is telling you what stock to buy, watch out.
16:30 Pablo Torre? We hired a witch to curse artificial intelligence for our Halloween episode.
16:34 Speaker 01 Oh, really?
16:35 Speaker 06 What a great idea.
16:36 Pablo Torre? And I think it's happening. I'm here to report that I think the curse worked.
16:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:42 Pablo Torre? Which is to say, if we, if the economy collapses.
16:45 Speaker 01 Because of AI.
16:46 Pablo Torre? It might be because of us, I guess, in retrospect. Maybe that wasn't what we wanted to curse. Yeah, our 401Ks, apologies, um, to America.
16:55 Speaker 06 Pablo, how are you?
16:57 Pablo Torre? I'm pretty good.
16:58 Speaker 06 Yeah?
16:58 Pablo Torre? I'm a little, you know, people ask me, how are you doing? And sort of the subtext of it is, has anyone tried to assassinate you recently?
17:05 Speaker 01 Right, I was, I was gonna say, I mean, it must be a lot of blowback, right?
17:09 Pablo Torre? A lot of people with lots of money wish that I would stop.
17:12 Speaker 01 Is there any owner that still takes your calls?
17:15 Pablo Torre? Yes.
17:16 Speaker 06 Really?
17:17 Pablo Torre? Yeah. I mean, you guys know how this works, though? Yes. Because I, I think there is, I don't know. I'm on my training wheels version of this. You guys did this for decades. But once people know that you do this kind of thing, the incoming of like, hey, you should know this other sort of thing.
17:34 Speaker 06 Oh, oh, oh.
17:35 Pablo Torre? So as much as I am, I don't know, this strange, I don't like being known as like the Grim Reaper of sports journalism, I guess. If I'm Collins, bad things are happening to you.
17:44 Speaker 06 It's incredibly admirable.
17:46 Pablo Torre? But I do enjoy that behind the scenes, yeah, there are people who are very supportive and are here to, I don't know, share information that I get to vet and decide, is this also something worth doing? So.
18:00 Speaker 06 I can't believe how many incidents there are right now. I mean, there's just a plethora of them. And you remember why Maury decided that he just couldn't continue in sports?
18:16 Speaker 01 I started out in TV as the 10 o'clock news sportscaster in Washington on Channel 5, where my hometown. And I was cover, I used to cover the then Washington Redskins. And George Allen was the coach. He was kind of a, he was kind of a Belichick before Belichick, kind of a guy. You know, never liked reporters and everything.
18:40 Pablo Torre? Got to yoga very late in life.
18:43 Speaker 01 Right. So, uh, one day I'm in the locker room and I see, and this is the seventies, okay? And so in the seventies, there are a lot of stories about drugs that players were using these illicit drugs in order to pump up and other stuff, cocaine outside the, the game and all that. And so there's this bottle of pills and it could have been salt pills. I mean, I didn't know. I mean, who knows? So I say, Coach, uh, can you tell me what's in that bottle? And he says, Mari, this is 1973, he says, Mari, are you with us or against us? And I said to myself, I gotta get out of sports. I just, I just gotta, how did my father do it for 75 years? I gotta get out of sports.
19:28 Speaker 01 If you have to have a loyalty test, I'm in big trouble. And that's when I went to news.
19:33 Pablo Torre? I dare say that a lot of people have decided to be with them.
19:38 Speaker 06 Yes, yes.
19:40 Speaker 01 I asked Jeff Pearlman, okay, who I had on my show, another great sports writer and stuff.
19:45 Pablo Torre? Sports Illustrated author.
19:46 Speaker 01 And writes great books. So I said to Jeff, I said, does this still happen? He said, absolutely.
19:53 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah, I would say more than ever. And by the way, you see that, of course, in.
19:58 Speaker 06 In news, actually.
20:01 Pablo Torre? By the way, what's it like to watch CBS right now?
20:05 Speaker 06 We don't, I mean, I can't. The paradigm has completely changed in news. And we have so much opinion that the truth doesn't hold value anymore. And what we end up doing is trying to, we as consumers, trying to find the truth. We can't find good old fashioned facts. And it distresses me so terribly. CBS is a whole different organization that I had worked for. CBS has now been taken over thanks to greedy owners,
20:46 Speaker 06 Sherry Redstone, partnering with David Ellison, Larry Ellison's son. And their greed has caused the venerable CBS to actually.
21:03 Speaker 06 Disassemble, to crash into crumbles. And then they've hired this, I don't know what to call Barry Weiss.
21:14 Speaker 01 I don't either.
21:15 Speaker 06 You know, I just don't know.
21:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, but she's, you know, we'll see.
21:21 Speaker 06 It's not a big we'll see, as if she could possibly restore.
21:26 Speaker 01 She was there the other day when Trump goes on 60 Minutes. I thought it was a decent interview. It was OK.
21:32 Pablo Torre? Talk about Nora O'Donnell's interview.
21:34 Speaker 06 Yes.
21:35 Pablo Torre? Well, part of my concern, by the way, and I find it very, if I were you, I'd find it very difficult to watch the administration of CBS News wear the costume of CBS News, getting to cosplay to pretend that nothing is different, even though the very premise of their acquisition of the network was, in fact, at the discretion and blessing of the president, who was the interview subject in that video that we're describing.
22:05 Speaker 06 That's right.
22:06 Pablo Torre? And so just the very basic premise of that feels very hard to stomach if you care about anything resembling adversarial.
22:13 Speaker 06 If you care about serious news. When I worked at CBS, it was owned by William Paley, and he actually made it a point of allowing the news division to be autonomous and not have to worry about the bottom line. He had a president by the name of Frank Stanton, who went before Congress time and time again to defend the fourth estate. Now we have a complete dismantling of that kind of social responsibility, that we are watchdogs. We reporters are watchdogs of government. It's our job to report information that is not.
23:02 Speaker 06 Fed to us. So when the Pentagon reporters walked out en masse because they were forced to actually sign these promises that they would not.
23:15 Pablo Torre? A loyalty test almost literally written down.
23:17 Speaker 06 Yeah. It was just, I mean, it was repulsive. And I'm so glad that they walked out. I think it's so important what those Pentagon reporters did.
23:28 Speaker 01 You have to say the same thing about White House reporters. They're trying to do their job.
23:32 Speaker 06 They're trying to do their job. And they're being muzzled.
23:35 Pablo Torre? I am reminded of, of course, Connie's interview of the aforementioned President of the United States back when he was merely one of the most prominent businessmen and celebrities.
23:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:45 Pablo Torre? This was April 1990 on Face to Face with Connie Chung. And when you were here the last time, we played some of it back. But the aftermath, I don't think I ever asked you about. Because what happens on CBS is that there's a re-air of the interview. This very adversarial interview with Connie is truly holding him to account and calling him out on his bullshit and actually talking about the bullshit and how you are calling him out on it as it's happening, about how much he didn't like publicity and talking about Woolman Rink, the skating rink in Central Park and his buildings. He has this posture about it.
24:23 Speaker 05 There's no reason to expose yourself to millions of people.
24:25 Speaker 06 But you know why you do it?
24:27 Speaker 05 Why?
24:27 Speaker 06 You love the publicity.
24:29 Speaker 05 Oh, I hate the publicity.
24:30 Speaker 06 Oh, come on, get out of here.
24:31 Speaker 05 I'm telling you, I hate the publicity.
24:32 Speaker 06 Oh, please.
24:33 Speaker 05 I hate it. And except for the fact that it's fun as a sparring session. I mean, this would normally not even be fun. This is, this is fun and this is fun.
24:40 Speaker 06 No, but come on. No, you're on all these covers of Playboy fame. I mean, it was a news week for time.
24:48 Speaker 05 It happens to be, it happens to be, or both. It happens to be good for what I do.
24:55 Pablo Torre? But then in August, CBS re-airs it and Donald Trump rips you. Yes. And I'll read just the quote that Donald Trump gave to the Joan Rivers Show a month after the rebroadcast, because the quote was, "This woman has less talent than anybody I know of." Called you a disaster, said you interviewed like a little child. And then he said this. "She sent me roses afterward, and I won't tell you what I did with the roses." And then Joan Rivers says, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, what are you saying? What'd you do? He then proceeds to reveal, quote, "I cut him up and sent him back. I sent her back the stems. Actually, I did."
25:38 Pablo Torre? End quote.
25:40 Speaker 06 Now, wasn't that an incredibly ballsy move?
25:45 Pablo Torre? With the roses sent?
25:46 Speaker 06 I, I, well, yes, you know why? I sent him flowers because the day after I, I interviewed him on a particular day, we weren't going to air it until we edited it. So on the day I interviewed him, I said, I, I had asked him who his friends were? And does he have a best friend? And he hemmed and hawed and he said,
26:13 Speaker 05 Well, I have so many different friends and it would be hard to say a best friend. Is your wife Ivana a best friend? She's, she's a, she's a great friend. She's a-
26:21 Speaker 06 The very next day, it was announced that they were getting divorced. And he was already having a very public affair with Marla Maples. So I sent him flowers and I said, "Don't you think you need to correct the record?" And the only way I could get his attention was to send him flowers. If I just sent him a note, would he actually get it and read it? That's what the origin of the flowers was.
26:51 Pablo Torre? Did he send them back to you cut up?
26:54 Speaker 06 See, I, I don't remember that at all.
26:56 Speaker 01 But, but what he said about her, the way he criticized her, is the same way he criticizes reporters today.
27:04 Pablo Torre? Today?
27:05 Speaker 01 Asking the same kinds of questions, hard questions. He says, "You're, you're the worst reporter ever. Your network is worse. You're a third-rate reporter." And that's what he does.
27:16 Speaker 06 Well, that's what he said to Megyn Kelly.
27:18 Pablo Torre? Her response, it turned out, over time, was very different from your response over time.
27:22 Speaker 06 What was her response?
27:23 Pablo Torre? Her response was, at the time, I believe, was to take that as an affront. And then over time was to truly join the team.
27:34 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah.
27:35 Pablo Torre? I mean, she
27:35 Speaker 06 Without question.
27:36 Pablo Torre? The George Allen test.
27:37 Speaker 01 Right.
27:38 Pablo Torre? She decided, I'm gonna be on that side of things.
27:40 Speaker 01 Are you with us or against us? I'll just be with you.
27:43 Pablo Torre? That's the way it seems to me as a matter of who does what when they get challenged.
27:47 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
27:48 Speaker 01 Can I wrap up my section in about three minutes? And then you can have her to yourself.
27:53 Pablo Torre? Well, let's, well, let's, let's, hold on. Let's, let's just settle a couple of outstanding beefs here.
28:00 Speaker 01 Okay.
28:00 Pablo Torre? Because when you say that Connie doesn't like you right now.
28:05 Speaker 01 Yes.
28:06 Pablo Torre? What did you do?
28:08 Speaker 01 What did I do?
28:09 Pablo Torre? Yeah, what did you do?
28:10 Speaker 01 I don't even wanna ask because I'm clueless.
28:13 Speaker 06 No, you're not.
28:14 Speaker 01 I'm, I'm walking.
28:19 Speaker 06 You know, I made it very clear.
28:23 Pablo Torre? What camera can I look into just to?
28:25 Speaker 01 I, I'm not talking about this.
28:27 Speaker 06 No, he's incredulous. Oh, he's, he's feigning incredulity.
28:33 Speaker 01 Oh, Jesus, that was a tough word.
28:35 Speaker 06 Wasn't it?
28:36 Speaker 01 Jesus.
28:36 Speaker 06 I almost didn't get it out.
28:38 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, that's a very tough one.
28:40 Pablo Torre? You nailed the landing.
28:40 Speaker 01 Especially one.
28:41 Pablo Torre? Maury, stop it. Maury?
28:43 Speaker 01 Okay.
28:44 Pablo Torre? What did you do?
28:45 Speaker 01 I'm not, I'm not gonna talk about it. I didn't do anything. There was not one thing. It's just my attitude. It's my general attitude.
28:55 Speaker 01 I mean, come on. I mean, I, I'm allowed to have an attitude.
28:59 Speaker 06 Yeah.
29:00 Speaker 01 Not according to you.
29:01 Speaker 06 No, no, no. Me too, me too.
29:06 Speaker 01 Well, I know you have an attitude. That's why I'm not too sure I like you these days.
29:10 Pablo Torre? I will say visually speaking, it does sort of replicate Connie standing and you sitting like you are a student at school being.
29:18 Speaker 01 Look, I, I, for forty, almost forty-one years, I've been Mr. Chung, okay? I, I admit it. I, I, I.
29:26 Pablo Torre? You're an honorary member of the Asian community.
29:27 Speaker 01 I don't mind it. I don't, I don't fight back. I'm, I'm fine being Mr. Chung. You always had the big name when we got married. I was just this nothing, you know, little local anchor in Washington and you were the big star. Okay, fine. I accepted it and I was Mr., I've been Mr. Chung ever since and I accept it.
29:47 Speaker 06 No, no, no. Well, I've been Mrs. Povich for a long time too. Huh?
29:55 Speaker 01 Povich is not part of your name. You have been Connie Chung. There is no Connie Chung Povich. It's been Connie Chung. You've kept your entire name. Fine, I don't care. That's fine.
30:06 Speaker 06 I just didn't, I didn't feel I looked like your mother.
30:14 Speaker 01 So anyway, I'm going, this is gonna be the best part of my day. It's been fine until she came in. But the best part of my day, I'm going to interview a great actor.
30:24 Speaker 06 Yeah.
30:24 Speaker 01 William H. Macy.
30:25 Pablo Torre? Are you promoting your podcast on my podcast?
30:27 Speaker 01 Yes.
30:28 Pablo Torre? You're evading, not only are you evading my investigative reporting. You are promoting.
30:32 Speaker 01 I wish I had the sign so I could do the same thing you do on PTI. But I don't. Uh, anyway.
30:38 Speaker 06 Okay.
30:39 Speaker 01 Nice to be with you all.
30:40 Speaker 06 Oh, Maury. Do you have to go?
30:43 Speaker 01 Do I have to go? Should have gone about a minute and a half ago.
30:49 Speaker 01 Is that it? I'll see you tonight at the salon. We're gonna watch the head of CNN. And then later on, I'll cuddle.
30:59 Speaker 06 You, you will cuddle?
31:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, let's cuddle. Yeah.
31:03 Speaker 06 Thank you.
31:03 Speaker 01 Okay. Just remember, I also told Pablo, you still hold grudges.
31:07 Pablo Torre? Yeah, I get the sense. I get the sense.
31:11 Speaker 06 I'm sorry. You know.
31:15 Speaker 01 It's been a delight.
31:16 Speaker 06 Thank you.
31:19 Speaker 06 Bye.
31:21 Pablo Torre? Shaking hands, yep.
31:23 Speaker 01 Nice to meet you.
31:27 Speaker 01 See y'all later.
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32:47 Pablo Torre? Let's do something from the world of sports. I need you to give me the three worst things about being married to Maury Povich.
32:56 Speaker 06 The three worst things about him?
32:58 Pablo Torre? Yeah, we're going to power rank the three worst things about being married to Maury Povich that only Connie Chung would know.
33:05 Speaker 06 Okay. He cannot multitask. He can do one thing at a time. Number two, he compartmentalizes, which I envy. Men have the capacity to compartmentalize. Women worry about everything all the time. They worry about work at home, and at home, they worry about work. So I admire the fact that he can compartmentalize, but I am so envious, it makes me crazy. I think the third thing is that he can do most sports that I can't,
33:47 Speaker 06 just by virtue of the fact that he's tall and strong. If I were to play golf with him, I would want to try to beat him, and I know I can't. Basketball is a little bit better, but he's taller. And if he's guarding me, I have very little chance.
34:06 Pablo Torre? What are Maury Povich's priorities in the year 2025?
34:09 Speaker 06 Okay. It's number one, golf. Number two, golf. Number three, golf. And that's it.
34:20 Pablo Torre? When I wanted to schedule this interview with the summit, I mostly realized that I just needed to work around his golf schedule.
34:27 Speaker 06 Yes, it's true. But, you know what? I admire him so much because he decided that when he stopped determining the paternity of every child in America, that he would play golf. And he did that. But he, he believed very strongly in use it or lose it. So he didn't think he was exercising his brain as well as he was exercising his body. And I think that's great because he can keep sharp by doing his podcasts and he loves to do interviews and he's really good at it.
35:03 Pablo Torre? Oh, of course. I mean, what's not in question is that Maury can still outwork anybody who's like 40 years younger than him. That is not in question to me.
35:13 Speaker 06 Exactly. And the other thing, if I may, um, I, without him, I would not have had a career.
35:23 Pablo Torre? Why, hold on, I don't understand that part. What do you mean?
35:26 Speaker 06 Every step of the way, when I was beaten up by, I don't know, people who thought they had more power than I did, and they did actually have more power, or that they had bigger egos and didn't want me to, to be on their level. I, I would come home and Maury looked at this, what I call a resting bitch face. Maury would pour me a stiff scotch and we'd sit and we'd talk. And he would talk me off the ledge. Basically, his message was, don't take your critics seriously. Don't take your naysayers seriously.
36:12 Speaker 06 Don't take your press seriously, because I was getting a little scared in the press, a lot scared. He would say, don't take yourself seriously.
36:22 Speaker 06 But take your work seriously. And that's what I did. And I can tell you really that if it had not been for Maury, he was like a partner who helped me every step of the way.
36:37 Pablo Torre? Part of what I want our audience to appreciate about you is that, as if it needs to be reset on this show, but you were the first woman to co-anchor the CBS Evening News. You're the first Asian person, the second woman ever, to anchor a major network newscast. And the competition in the business, the idea that you are very, I mean, you present, of course, is very pleasant to be around, but lots of people regarded you as a threat.
37:06 Speaker 06 Yeah. My competitors were mostly men. They didn't look at me as a colleague. And I am a minority, and I am a woman. And because of that, I think that they were expecting acquiescence. And I don't know where I got this feeling that I didn't have to kowtow to them. And I acted as if I was their equal. But a friend of mine said to me, the first one through the door faces the heaviest gunfire. So I think that Barbara Walters, who paved the way for all of us to experience extraordinary gunfire.
37:50 Speaker 06 And when I came along, because I was not white, I faced a different kind of gunfire. Because people were expecting, my colleagues were expecting me to stand down. And I just couldn't bring myself to stand down.
38:10 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah. I mean, but by the way, like what you said about what Maury's advice was, which is, take your work seriously, but take yourself less so.
38:18 Speaker 06 Yes.
38:19 Pablo Torre? Is a creed that I also, part of the reason I think you're, you know, not just a legend in my book, but like a kindred spirit. It is because of that specific.
38:29 Pablo Torre? Mentality. Like, you can do real work, but also laugh at yourself and each other.
38:34 Speaker 06 Oh, good God, yes. I mean, we, you know how, uh, somewhere, people would call those of us who are on the air, talent.
38:45 Pablo Torre? Right.
38:46 Speaker 06 That is ridiculous. And I don't know where they got this, because we don't have talent. We just, we have a brain. We want to report news equally, fairly. We tell one side, we tell the other side. And what we're doing is presenting it to the public and asking them to make their judgment on what they believe is true, or right, or whatever. But we, we gather as much truth as we can, and we impart it to them. What I wanted to do is, you know, the kind of investigative reporting that you're doing in sports. It's so admirable.
39:26 Speaker 06 Investigative reporting is so satisfying, so gratifying, because you've uncovered something that nobody else has uncovered, and you're revealing information that people wanted to conceal. And that's what we're supposed to do, particularly with government, when it comes to politics and news.
39:46 Pablo Torre? Yes.
39:47 Speaker 06 Because every single administration, not just this one, has covered up secret information that
39:54 Pablo Torre? Of course.
39:54 Speaker 06 they want to hold near and dear to their hearts. We in the public know full well that they are lying.
40:01 Pablo Torre? Mm-hmm.
40:01 Speaker 06 And we need to call it when they do lie.
40:05 Pablo Torre? Right.
40:05 Speaker 06 I'm so worried about our news business these days, because we're, we've just not, we're not standing up to the standards that we were taught.
40:17 Pablo Torre? At some point, I wonder if you can identify when you started feeling this, because I've been sort of swimming in it for years now. I don't know exactly when it changed.
40:27 Speaker 06 Okay.
40:27 Pablo Torre? But there was something to the old George Allen story that Maury was telling, where being
40:34 Pablo Torre? In conflict with someone in power, gave way to wanting to get along with them.
40:41 Speaker 06 Hmm.
40:42 Pablo Torre? And I just, I don't know, I grew up thinking that like journalists are supposed to do the thing that makes the powerful person, at the very least, a little uncomfortable.
40:52 Speaker 06 Yeah, oh, yes.
40:53 Pablo Torre? And you embodied that. Your interviews, I mean, our clinics. But like, listen, I've been investigating Steve Ballmer.
41:00 Speaker 06 Yeah.
41:00 Pablo Torre? Of course, one of the 10 richest people in the world at last check, the richest owner in all of sports. But I go back and I rewatched your interview of Bill Gates.
41:09 Speaker 06 Ah.
41:09 Pablo Torre? His fellow-
41:10 Speaker 06 Oh, he walked off.
41:12 Pablo Torre? So remind me, remind us what it was like to get the founder of Microsoft, who was, of course, Steve Ballmer's classmate and also his close friend, and the guy that Ballmer ultimately succeeded as the CEO of Microsoft. What was it like to interview him?
41:28 Speaker 06 We were so impressed with him. But it was at a time when Microsoft was gobbling up small companies and should have been just like Rockefeller and, you know, the oil companies. They should have been called on it.
41:45 Speaker 07 A lot of people make the analogy that competing with Bill Gates is like playing hardball. I'd say it's more like a knife fight.
41:54 Speaker 04 I've never heard any of these things. You know, you're saying like, knife fight? That's silliness. It's childish. I mean, why be a mouthpiece for that kind of silliness? Why doesn't he just say them? Anyway, because it has nothing to do with the patent lawsuit. It has to do-
42:11 Speaker 06 So I was peppering him with questions about these power-hungry moves that he was making against small companies. And he actually walked out. He walked out of the interview. People did not remember that because one more wonderful thing that he did was he was able to jump over a chair from a standing position. And it was so remarkable. And it was remembered. It was chiseled in YouTube history. He does have at least one secret, but we'll fix that. Is it true that you can leap over a chair from a standing position?
42:47 Speaker 04 It depends on the size of the chair, but this chair, probably so.
42:52 Speaker 06 Will you do it?
42:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, I don't know with the microphone on, if it's doable.
42:56 Speaker 06 Watch the light, okay?
42:57 Speaker 04 I'll cheat a little bit.
43:00 Speaker 06 Yes.
43:03 Speaker 04 I took a step before I did it.
43:05 Speaker 06 It's okay.
43:06 Pablo Torre? Yes, so what's so funny about that is I think of Gates now as like the forerunner, obviously to someone that, by the way, I went to college with, Mark Zuckerberg.
43:14 Speaker 06 Oh, yes.
43:15 Pablo Torre? Who became the new avatar in the social network and with Facebook and all that.
43:18 Speaker 06 Yes.
43:18 Pablo Torre? And Mark Zuckerberg now is like, he's pivoted to like mixed martial arts and he's like working out and he's surfing and he's trying to reassert, I would say, his masculinity. And then I go back and watch your interview with Gates and I'm like, Bill Gates was doing the same [bleep] thing, basically saying, "Look at how high I can jump."
43:36 Speaker 06 Oh, my God. And shame on all of these people who have billions of dollars and they are kowtowing with no integrity, no principles to the Trump administration. I'm embarrassed for them, but you had asked a question. You were trying to reach back.
43:59 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
44:00 Speaker 06 And try and figure out when the pendulum swung so wildly off course.
44:04 Pablo Torre? Because you were a standard and a template. Walter Cronkite was. The other men that you were competing with, by the way, at the very least, the premise was they were of a certain perspective of how to hold powerful people accountable.
44:19 Speaker 06 Yes.
44:19 Pablo Torre? And then at some point, flash forward to today, the smash cut, something happened in between, and I don't know what.
44:26 Speaker 06 This is my take on what happened. When William Paley sold CBS to Larry Tisch and when Capital Cities and then ultimately Disney took over ABC and then when General Electric took over NBC. Prior to that, there was some social responsibility, but when GE and Disney and Larry Tisch took over, the bottom line became so important that we had, we in news divisions had to grovel for ratings so that the networks would be able to charge more from advertisers. So the money we made was more important than the news we covered.
45:13 Speaker 06 That's what happened. And now it has reached a point of which of no return.
45:18 Pablo Torre? Part of what I think has happened, as we think back at your interview with Bill Gates, is that at some point, every media company gave way to ultimately a very, not just corporate ethos when it came to like the stock chart and what matters and what comes at the expense of it, but also the perspective and the mentality of tech companies.
45:40 Speaker 06 Yes.
45:40 Pablo Torre? Like, tech companies are owning everything. All of us fundamentally who work in media work for tech companies now.
45:46 Speaker 06 Yes, yes.
45:47 Pablo Torre? That's the ethos, that's the strategy, that's the competition we're trying to beat.
45:51 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
45:51 Pablo Torre? And it is like, the thing that I think about all the time is, at some point, don't you want to be the good guy in the documentary?
46:00 Speaker 06 Yeah.
46:02 Speaker 06 That's a great way to put it.
46:03 Pablo Torre? I'm looking back at the stuff that you've done and the stuff that Maury's done, and I'm like, man, like, I would like to look back at an interview that I've conducted and be proud.
46:15 Speaker 06 I'm sure you have them.
46:16 Pablo Torre? All I want to point out, though, is simply that part of what I am so tickled by when it comes to your relationship with Maury as this empty chair now signifies the nuances of this relationship, is how you guys have truly like lasted and passed the test of time. There is something about how you have, by the way, when I was asking like, what are you guys doing in Montana? Part of the answer is not just Maury's playing golf and you guys are fly fishing. You started a local newspaper.
46:51 Speaker 06 Oh, yes. I'm so proud of Maury. He, he created a newspaper more than a decade ago, probably 15 years, almost 20.
47:03 Speaker 06 It was kind of a tribute to his father, who was a Washington Post columnist and reporter for 75 years, a great writer.
47:14 Pablo Torre? Shirley Povich, a legend in sports writing.
47:16 Speaker 06 He really was a legend. Along the lines of Red Smith.
47:20 Pablo Torre? The all-time greats, truly.
47:21 Speaker 06 Yes, he's in the Hall of Fame. And he was a lovely man. He was an extremely erudite, soft-spoken man with a great sense of humor. Maury is just like him, except he's not soft-spoken.
47:39 Speaker 06 It's a really good newspaper.
47:41 Pablo Torre? Yes, The Flathead Beacon is a weekly paper serving northwest Montana.
47:46 Speaker 06 Yeah.
47:46 Pablo Torre? And it was started, as you put it, in 2007, 18 years ago now.
47:50 Speaker 06 What he did was he hired great journalists.
47:53 Pablo Torre? Yes.
47:53 Speaker 06 Who report the news straight. Even they've gotten every single award that you can imagine, from best investigative to best political reporting. I mean, all the good stuff.
48:05 Pablo Torre? Yeah, it's been named the state's best large weekly, you know.
48:08 Speaker 06 Yes.
48:08 Pablo Torre? You know, more than 10 times, it seems like at this point.
48:11 Speaker 06 And I think the conclusion that we've come to is that what you can trust are your local news.
48:18 Pablo Torre? Yes.
48:19 Speaker 06 The newspapers are having such a hard time surviving. But any local newspaper or online newspaper is still trustworthy. Local news and television is still trustworthy.
48:32 Pablo Torre? And they're not stock prices.
48:34 Speaker 06 No.
48:35 Pablo Torre? Owned by these massive multinational corporations.
48:37 Speaker 06 They do answer to their consumers. And people know them. They're their neighbors, their community leaders. They know everybody and they trust them.
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49:37 Speaker 06 I'm so impressed, if I may, with your podcasts and those who produce it. Because it's so clever and so smart. And the whole animated portion-
49:50 Pablo Torre? Oh, when we do, when we jump in with the voiceover. Yeah, the RPG menu is what we call it.
49:54 Speaker 06 That's, nobody else does that, right?
49:56 Pablo Torre? No, no one's weird or stoned enough to come up with that device.
50:02 Speaker 06 Well, are they smoking Connie Chung weed?
50:04 Pablo Torre? Oh, that's right. We are still on the hunt for a fresh crop.
50:08 Speaker 06 You can get it online.
50:10 Pablo Torre? Is that right?
50:11 Speaker 06 Yeah, if you Google Connie Chung weed,
50:15 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
50:16 Speaker 06 it'll come up. And, and there's a wonderful description of me.
50:20 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
50:22 Speaker 06 But I think for a time, they were offering a five-pack pre-roll.
50:27 Pablo Torre? That's right.
50:28 Speaker 06 For, um, it should be like only $5 or something like that.
50:32 Pablo Torre? It's an incredible deal.
50:34 Speaker 06 Yeah.
50:34 Pablo Torre? An incredible deal.
50:35 Speaker 06 I was, I, I couldn't believe that I had-
50:39 Pablo Torre? That you had, in fact, a potent strain with light green buds and flavors of earth and pine. With a hazy head high. And of course, as we, as you, as we know, as any consumer of this show knows, it's a good strain to wind down with at the end of the night.
50:55 Speaker 06 Yeah.
50:57 Pablo Torre? Has Maury Povich smoked some Connie Chung?
51:01 Speaker 06 Only because it's you, Pablo, I will tell you that
51:07 Speaker 06 someone crossed state lines.
51:13 Speaker 06 Because I, you know, we can't, we can't order it online. That would not be good.
51:18 Pablo Torre? I mean, you'd never, not, what would they think? What would they think if polite society were to discover this?
51:24 Speaker 06 Exactly. Somebody crossed state lines and brought it to us. Just a little bit, teeny little bit.
51:34 Speaker 06 And that somebody was able to mix it in a cigarette.
51:44 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah.
51:44 Speaker 06 Right? So that it wasn't so potent. And I can't do this. I can't tell you.
51:55 Pablo Torre? Why not? Now I'm gonna hold you to account. Why can't, why? Please allow me to dig into this. So far, in my mental image, your husband, Maury Povich, is smoking a spliff of Connie Chung. Part tobacco, part you. And what's Maury like stoned on you?
52:18 Speaker 06 He, okay. He's, he says, yeah, I don't, I don't want to do anymore. I mean, he took like one or two pops.
52:31 Speaker 06 And he went, yeah. I was turned off to it. I mean, and that, and I said, I don't feel anything. I feel nothing.
52:46 Speaker 06 And so I said, I better take a few more tokes.
52:54 Speaker 06 Then I started laughing.
52:58 Speaker 06 Good stuff, laughing.
53:03 Pablo Torre? That feels like a bit of a metaphor for what has happened in this episode.
53:07 Speaker 06 Yeah?
53:08 Pablo Torre? Maury said, "I've had enough of this woman. Got the [__] out, and you stayed here and got to laugh a lot with me."
53:17 Speaker 06 You caught it.
53:18 Pablo Torre? Connie Chung, the legend, the better half of Maury Povich, the scoundrel with the booming voice, who also happens to be undefeated in spades with me when playing against Nick Cannon.
53:31 Pablo Torre? It has been a pleasure to invade your personal lives.
53:35 Speaker 06 Well, I take offense that you got the weed story out of me.
53:44 Speaker 06 But it's only because it's you, Pablo.
53:56 Pablo Torre? This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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