Pod Insights Pablo Torre Finds Out "I Just Am That B*tch": Ilana Glazer on Broad City, Broadway and Bursting Bubbles About this episode Before she rode the shooting star of Broad City into the comedy stratosphere, Ilana Glazer lived in Pablo's old apartment. The non-roommates reunite to blow off steam on: the infuriating inequality of New York; the Helveticazation of Silicon Valley; the re-establishment of Hollywood; the Fox Newsification of a "trillion-dollar hate propaganda machine"; the wisdom of Edward R. Murrow and George Clooney; and the spiritual engine inside us all... even (and especially!) if you're Jesse Watters playing the recorder at morning assembly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.
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1:55 Speaker 01 Hi, Paula. Good to see you.
1:57 Pablo Torre? Good to see you. Thanks for coming.
1:58 Speaker 01 Hi, nice to have you.
2:02 Pablo Torre? I hope this wasn't an annoying commute.
2:05 Speaker 01 No. Why would it be, A, annoying, or B, more annoying than any other?
2:08 Pablo Torre? I don't know.
2:09 Speaker 01 Commute? Thank you.
2:10 Pablo Torre? I don't know.
2:10 Speaker 01 Do you do the headphones?
2:13 Pablo Torre? Doesn't matter.
2:13 Speaker 01 I'm gonna not.
2:14 Pablo Torre? Let's do no. So it's like UN General Assembly Week. So genuinely a horrifying traffic proposition.
2:25 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, sure, traffic, but the whole thing is horrifying.
2:28 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
2:28 Speaker 01 Do you feel...
2:31 Speaker 01 Do you feel represented geographically where you live? Does it feel right for you?
2:38 Pablo Torre? It does feel right because I'm now a washed dad.
2:41 Speaker 01 Copy that. I didn't know you were a dad.
2:42 Pablo Torre? I have a five-year-old who started kindergarten.
2:44 Speaker 01 Washed. Ugh, I just learned about this slang. Get over it. Get over it. You're cool. Shut up.
2:49 Pablo Torre? I am.
2:49 Speaker 01 Also, you're a nerd. Me too. Like, great.
2:51 Pablo Torre? All of these things can... We can contain multitudes.
2:54 Speaker 01 That's right. Wait, you have a five-year-old, you said?
2:57 Pablo Torre? Yeah, yeah, and you have a...
2:58 Speaker 01 I have a four-year-old.
2:59 Pablo Torre? Okay.
3:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:01 Pablo Torre? So I feel represented because I'm surrounded by either small children and their parents, or extremely old people who I aspire to be one day.
3:09 Speaker 01 Hundred percent. Desperate, honestly, like a little desperate to be them.
3:12 Pablo Torre? Yeah. I've gone from, "Oh, I wish I was in a cool neighborhood," to "I wanna trace the arc of the life I wish to live every day when I walk outside my building."
3:25 Speaker 01 I love it. That's honestly beautiful to me. I was just talking to a comedian yesterday. Like, she's 27 years old, she lives in Murray Hill, and she's like, ready to like, make the move to Brooklyn, which means like, I'm older now to her. So it's like Murray Hill, that's... I wouldn't call that cool. I'd call that a party neighborhood.
3:43 Pablo Torre? So what's so funny is that I grew up there.
3:45 Speaker 01 Oh.
3:45 Pablo Torre? Right. Your, I mean, your characterization is correct. As I often have to point out to people, it wasn't always a place where consultants went to vomit.
3:54 Speaker 01 Hmm, oh my god.
3:56 Pablo Torre? And now, of course, it is entirely that.
3:59 Speaker 01 It's only that. Oh god, it's so puky. I'm shook that you grew up in New York City because, you know, I'm from Long Island and it's just mostly transplants, if not from around the world, from the suburbs. So you grew up here?
4:12 Pablo Torre? I grew up here.
4:13 Speaker 01 That's major. That's major.
4:16 Pablo Torre? Thank you, Alana Glazer, for being here, by the way.
4:17 Speaker 01 Thank you, Pablo Torre, for having me.
4:19 Pablo Torre? I introduced myself to you. We had not met before, earlier this year. And you came to the set of Morning Joe, where I happened to be co-hosting that day.
4:29 Speaker 03 Joining us now, one of the stars of Good Night and Good Luck, Emmy Award-winning actor Alana Glazer, who is also making her Broadway debut. She plays the trailblazing CBS News journalist Shirley Wershba.
4:44 Pablo Torre? And I accosted you in a way that, in a deposition, I would be arrested for.
4:50 Speaker 01 Girl, no. It was not accosting, but it was shocking. And I wouldn't say aggressive, but it was like, like you had, literally, we had shared space.
5:03 Speaker 01 At different points in time.
5:04 Pablo Torre? At different points in time.
5:05 Speaker 01 So tell your people, tell the people.
5:06 Pablo Torre? So what I told you, as I leaned across the table, past the other co-hosts, and I was like, hey, just so you're aware.
5:14 Speaker 01 Just hone in, just focused in, I was the bullseye.
5:17 Pablo Torre? Here's a thing I've been meaning to tell you, Alana Glazer, for literally 10 years.
5:21 Speaker 01 Top it up.
5:22 Pablo Torre? Despite never having reached out to you before, which is, I'm pretty sure we lived in the same apartment.
5:28 Speaker 01 And we had. Let's not say the address, even though neither of us live there anymore.
5:32 Pablo Torre? You don't want to retroactively dox us?
5:33 Speaker 01 No, it's like scary, just, ugh, exact addresses are frightening, but, and we had.
5:38 Pablo Torre? I will say that it's in the East Village, generally speaking. And I'll say that because the reason I knew this is even creepier, because I went through my email, and I was like, when? So me and my roommate, to be clear, this is a lovely two-bedroom.
5:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:55 Pablo Torre? In the East Village.
5:56 Speaker 01 Right.
5:56 Pablo Torre? Recognized, first and foremost, I would say, for its enormous patio.
6:01 Speaker 01 Enormous.
6:02 Pablo Torre? Can you please explain for people who didn't visit our apartment, what this was like?
6:06 Speaker 01 Okay, can I, I'm just like sort of like sorting this out and like getting my, my feet on the ground here. So first of all, you are like over correcting for, yes, it is a creepy thing, period. To be like, I know where you lived. Yes. And you're a man. So it's like.
6:20 Pablo Torre? I've slept in your bedroom, potentially, depending on your setup.
6:24 Speaker 01 You're a man, I'm a woman. I get it. It is like, what? You know, it is like intense. But you were like not weird and this happens in New York. I'm remembering that I lived in South Slope. And it happened to be the same apartment my friend Boris had lived in. Boris Keiken from comedy?
6:40 Pablo Torre? Shout out to Boris.
6:41 Speaker 01 Shout out to Boris. But I got his mail. And literally, there were like roaches, like weed butts? In the brick from Boris. And I don't think you got that from me because that's not exactly the type of stoner I am. But, um, but we had the same experience. So it's not, I just want to say New York City vibes. And you grew up here. It's not the craziest thing.
7:04 Pablo Torre? It's not the craziest, but just to be very clear about like me discovering this in 2015.
7:09 Speaker 01 And Broad City came out 2014. So like this is like, you're like.
7:13 Pablo Torre? And I'm, to be very clear, like a super fan of Broad City.
7:17 Speaker 01 Really? I didn't know that. That wasn't clear.
7:20 Pablo Torre? Me and my wife, we watched it together, my roommate, we watched it going through. This is not just me blowing smoke up your butt.
7:24 Speaker 01 Oh, that's crazy then.
7:26 Pablo Torre? My Gmail archive was like full of Broad City references and I'm like.
7:30 Speaker 01 Oh, that's so sweet.
7:31 Pablo Torre? March 10th, 2015. It gets creepier now.
7:34 Speaker 01 Okay, you're, you're over correcting, but okay.
7:36 Pablo Torre? No, it's just that I, I've, I.
7:40 Pablo Torre? On this show where I find out stuff, I was finding out stuff 10 years ago, it turns out. And I had found your then roommate's Instagram account because there was an article in New York Magazine, in which was referenced that you lived in the East Village. And you lived with, again, not to dox him, but a writer for BuzzFeed. This is published, so I feel comfortable saying that. And I was like, oh, wait a minute. I know people who work at BuzzFeed. Who is it? Is my mental process.
8:04 Speaker 01 Sure.
8:05 Pablo Torre? And I looked up on Instagram, your roommate, and like dropped my phone on the ground. And I was like, why?
8:11 Speaker 01 You, you knew him?
8:12 Pablo Torre? I just recognized.
8:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:14 Pablo Torre? My apartment.
8:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:16 Pablo Torre? In the photos.
8:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, crazy.
8:18 Pablo Torre? I lived there before you guys.
8:20 Speaker 01 Oh, I thought you had lived after.
8:22 Pablo Torre? Oh, no, no, no.
8:22 Speaker 01 So you weren't receiving my mail. I literally was receiving yours. Yes, dude. Yes, Pablo. I literally, it just hit my brain of seeing mail.
8:33 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
8:33 Speaker 01 And being like, oh, who's Pablo? Literally, literally, dude. That's, oh, it just hit me.
8:39 Pablo Torre? It's me.
8:40 Speaker 01 Copy that, okay. Wow, that's so funny.
8:43 Pablo Torre? If the New York court system is looking for me, blame Alana Glazer for never affording the jury summons.
8:48 Speaker 01 Yep, I, I now, it just hit me. Oh, my goodness. Wow, wow. So our deck was crazy.
8:55 Pablo Torre? It was.
8:56 Speaker 01 It was huge to a, to a.
8:58 Pablo Torre? Comical.
8:58 Speaker 01 It, it was clear that a mistake had been made.
9:01 Pablo Torre? Yes.
9:02 Speaker 01 And then they, you know, slapped some walls around it. And they were like, it's a huge deck or whatever, which was smart. But the grotesque part was that it was visible by thousands. Thousands of trapped New Yorkers in tiny apartments could look at the deck we shared across spacetime. It was not chill.
9:22 Pablo Torre? It was just, we called it, and this is again, a very nerdy nickname for it. We called it the Panopticon because just like.
9:28 Speaker 01 Hysterical.
9:29 Pablo Torre? Everyone watched the deck.
9:31 Speaker 01 Is that a word?
9:32 Pablo Torre? It is, and it's like a, it's a very highfalutin word for just like, I think Foucault may have talked about how in a certain vision of a prison, one way to keep the inmates always under surveillance is to just make them feel perpetually watched. And so for us, the joke was like, we are being watched in this basically like canyon of air conditioners and windows.
9:55 Speaker 01 Ugh.
9:56 Pablo Torre? A rect, an alley of just like apartments looking down.
10:01 Speaker 01 Grotesque.
10:01 Pablo Torre? On like, I don't even know what the square footage of this thing was, like 600 square feet.
10:04 Speaker 01 The deck was bigger than the two bedroom.
10:06 Pablo Torre? It was way bigger. And the, the joke was like, we're just out here, like, we had a.
10:11 Speaker 01 Pablo Torre, I'm seeing it on mail. Ah, go on, sorry.
10:14 Pablo Torre? We put a kiddie pool out there and sat in it for a while.
10:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, you did.
10:18 Pablo Torre? But yeah, we just
10:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, you did.
10:19 Pablo Torre? unrepentantly just like got high in front of like
10:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:24 Pablo Torre? the Lion King Canyon.
10:26 Speaker 01 Before it was decriminalized, it was brave.
10:28 Pablo Torre? We were pioneers.
10:29 Speaker 01 Panopticon and Foucault are the like the homework I gotta do.
10:34 Pablo Torre? This is the kind of podcast you've wandered into.
10:54 Pablo Torre? 2014, Broad Cities out. You're living in this two-bedroom apartment. You're kind of living in a place that feels, given your level of rising fame, I would say beneath your station. You're kind of like still living like an actual young New Yorker.
11:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:08 Pablo Torre? And things are happening.
11:10 Speaker 01 Yeah. You know, I was city biking today with a backpack, a heavy backpack, on the basket of the city bike, strapped to the city bike. And I was like, I just am that bitch. I'm just the person I've always been and will always be. Like, I don't, I don't think I was living beneath my station is so funny. I think, I think I was financially smart to be renting at that time until I could afford to buy.
11:34 Pablo Torre? A very economical price point in my memory.
11:38 Speaker 01 I was living with Matt. We were like sharing groceries. We were eating tuna on spinach salads. And it's like, I like to live feeling connected to people and sharing reality. You know, in a personal sense, Broad City was like, what a miracle. It felt like, you know, the, the star, the more you know, or whatever. It feels like Abby and I were straddling that star and like riding across the sky. And we were just riding it. We, all we could do is ride this shooting star like, wow, how amazing in our. I mean, it was just, um.
12:07 Pablo Torre? Were you surprised by the, how, how, I mean, again, I, I'm a New Yorker, so I have a very biased point of view, but were you surprised by how widely popular it was?
12:18 Speaker 01 I mean, like, I was surprised to be the person in that position, but given Broad City, the artistic entity, I'm not surprised that.
12:26 Pablo Torre? It was so good.
12:26 Speaker 01 Real, thank you so much.
12:27 Pablo Torre? It really is.
12:28 Speaker 01 I love it.
12:28 Pablo Torre? I went back and watched some of it, I'm like, this is good.
12:31 Speaker 01 I love it, I love it. And it's like, you know, I just think that people, all different kinds of people are starving for an honest, female lens, you know? I think people, I think it is particularly funny to move through a story with a woman, because the way women move through the world is absurd. We're like placed in a box, and then we try to embrace the box, and then the box [BLEEP] us, but not the way we want to be. You know, it's like, it's just, it's a funny pickle women are in. I'm not surprised, looking at the work of Broad City, that it was successful, but then it was a phenomenon in New York, and a phenomenon among a certain type of thinking and feeling person.
13:10 Speaker 01 It stayed kind of niche, and was never, I, I would say, like, embraced by the establishment, in a way. It stayed for the people who knew about it.
13:20 Pablo Torre? It did have like this thing, which I love, as a true, like, genuine, unapologetic New York elitist.
13:26 Speaker 01 Do you have an example? Because lately, I'm, I'm rethinking this concept elitist, and I want to talk about it.
13:30 Pablo Torre? Sure.
13:31 Speaker 01 But when you say New York elitist, do you mean the, um, understood, shared value that everybody's equal on the subway? Is that what you mean?
13:39 Pablo Torre? I mean it very simply, like, greatest city in the world, and I wish there was another place that provided me. Again, like, the vast diversity inside of what feels at times like a little town.
13:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:50 Pablo Torre? And so the whole idea of like, New York's a bubble, I'm like, it is, but it's also a bubble containing the biggest possible, most diverse sample of humans, in which we all have to interact.
14:00 Speaker 01 Yep.
14:01 Pablo Torre? Including on the subway, including on the sidewalk, including on line at whatever. It's just like, and, and there's that level, anyway, this is just, I'm not trying to give a stump speech for New York City, but that's.
14:10 Speaker 01 I am. No, not even, not even for New York, because also, like, you know, New York City is really tough, it's really hard to live in.
14:18 Pablo Torre? Yes, it's incredibly difficult.
14:20 Speaker 01 It's also like, since COVID, I, I think the income disparity has widened even further, and it's been impossibly. Heartbreaking to see this suffering rise in visibility. And I'm not saying it should be in the shadows, but it has become more visible. We pay so much taxes to live here. Why are people starving in our faces? Why are people not sheltered? Why are people unhoused and feeling unsafe even in shelters? So there are people are on the street, on the subways, suffering. It is hard to live here. And the wealthiest people don't even live here. It's a tax haven for whatever. And their brownstones are empty. I mean, it's like, it's infuriating and upsetting. And so many people need just basic, their basic needs met here in New York City.
15:05 Speaker 01 And the idea that it's some bubble, utopian bubble, is the thing that I want to like, I'm starting to push back against because Fox News and a very, and enormous, like beyond what we can really see, like trillion dollar hate propaganda machine that is actually bigger than Fox News, but Fox News is perhaps the largest container for it, has sown this narrative about coastal elites being against people who live in smaller cities or suburbs or rural areas. And meanwhile, Fox News comes out of midtown Manhattan.
15:39 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah.
15:40 Speaker 01 And the people stumping for hate, by the way, stump all you want for pride and love, people stumping for hate are multi, multi, multi millionaires, like manipulating people who don't have their basic needs met to profit themselves. And I'm like, we don't live in a bubble. We live in a hard place where we confront our differences and accept each other all day, every single day. And the elitists are the Fox News hosts and the Fox News producers who are creating these narratives to divide the people that they consider beneath them.
16:18 Pablo Torre? I think Jesse Waters is a good guy. I think that guy's all right.
16:22 Speaker 01 Dude, I have a good, I have a good thing about Jesse Waters. My friend went to high school with him and they went to, I believe, a private high school in the suburbs of Philly. And Jesse Waters, I learned from my friend posting the day after Trump got elected the second time, that Jesse Waters would play the recorder every morning at like morning announcements, and it was not a recital. Nobody else was performing. Jesse Waters would play the recorder because he wanted to.
16:48 Pablo Torre? Nobody wanted this.
16:49 Speaker 01 Nobody wanted this. And also, this young, creative person wanting to be seen and heard, and then probably wasn't met by the external world the way he had hoped. So then to turn into this hateful propaganda machine, it's just like, dude, you chose this and you know better, is what I think.
17:12 Pablo Torre? And so this is where I just got to jump in here to point out that we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out did, of course, reach out to a Fox News spokesperson to fact-check Alana Glazer's friend's story about Jesse Waters unilaterally serenading his suburban high school with his recorder during morning announcements. And what the spokesperson told us is that, quote, "Jesse doesn't recall the exact morning announcements." End quote. Fox News also did not deny to us that Jesse Waters was greedy into the recorder in high school. Which brings us back, I suppose, to that television network as an institution
17:52 Pablo Torre? and the truly bizarre origin story of a different television career. So I've done sports television for over a dozen years now. The first, as a young fact-checker of Sports Illustrated, my staff is so tired of me telling this story. The first one I ever did, the first appearance, the first hit, was on the O'Reilly factor.
18:14 Speaker 01 Wow.
18:15 Pablo Torre? And I had no idea-
18:16 Speaker 01 How old were you?
18:17 Pablo Torre? I was, it was 2008. I was 23.
18:21 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
18:24 Pablo Torre? And Bill O'Reilly, this is '08 O'Reilly, like, '08. The point being that this was like weeks after the We'll Do It Live.
18:33 Speaker 04 Now, I can't read it, there's no, there's no words on it.
18:37 Speaker 05 Okay. Hey, sure.
18:40 Speaker 04 There's no words there to play us out. What does that mean, to play us out?
18:46 Speaker 05 Sting is gonna do, it's a video, Sting video.
18:51 Speaker 04 What is...
18:51 Speaker 06 For credits.
18:52 Speaker 04 I don't know what that means to play us out. What does that mean? To end the show?
18:57 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah.
19:00 Speaker 04 Alright, go, go.
19:01 Speaker 06 In, five, four, three.
19:04 Speaker 04 That's tomorrow and that is it.
19:07 Speaker 06 In, five, four, three.
19:11 Speaker 04 That's tomorrow and that is it for us today. And we will leave you with a... I can't do it.
19:19 Speaker 04 We'll do it live.
19:19 Speaker 06 Okay.
19:21 Speaker 04 We'll do it live! Fuck it! Do it live! I can... I'll write it and we'll do it live!
19:29 Speaker 04 (bleep) Thing sucks!
19:31 Speaker 06 In, five, four, three.
19:36 Speaker 04 That's tomorrow and that is it for us today. I'm Bill O'Reilly. Thanks again for watching. We'll leave you with Sting and a cut off his new album. Take it away.
19:44 Speaker 01 Oh, incredible. I'll never forget.
19:46 Pablo Torre? And so I walked into a television and inside...
19:49 Speaker 01 You're a little baby. You're 23 years old. Oh my god.
19:52 Pablo Torre? The first floor of the Fox News building with those big windows like up against the sidewalk.
19:56 Speaker 01 Oh my goodness.
19:57 Pablo Torre? And there was literally a panhandler making noise.
20:00 Speaker 01 Oh my goodness.
20:00 Pablo Torre? And he was like yelling for silence as we're counting down like in our ear in our I F V. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, I'm like, in my mind, I'm thinking, are we about to get another "We'll Do It..." Am I about to be like the...
20:15 Speaker 01 "We'll Do It Live"?
20:16 Pablo Torre? Yeah, am I gonna, am I gonna witness this? Am I gonna be in this, in this viral video? And however it happens in a way that I presume is also horrifying, the panhandling sound stops and suddenly I am being told by Bill O'Reilly about Michael Phelps's swimming career through the lens of his experience as a high school swimmer on Long Island. And that's what it was. That's what I was there to do, was just like listen to Bill O'Reilly talk to me about swimming.
20:43 Speaker 01 About himself being a swimmer?
20:45 Pablo Torre? Yeah, he had takes as a swimmer.
20:48 Speaker 01 Because Michael Phelps smoked weed? Is that the thing?
20:50 Pablo Torre? I wish that there was any more depth to what the conversation could and would have and should have been. It was entirely just, man, this guy's really good at swimming. Let me tell you about swimming.
21:01 Speaker 01 Oh, that's it?
21:02 Pablo Torre? I was just like a representative from Sports Illustrated. It was entirely irrelevant what I said or thought. And by the way, that's fine. That part's totally fine. I just say that to say, when you go to that building, you realize how it's right across the street from MSNBC.
21:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:18 Pablo Torre? It's right across the street from every other, every fancy restaurant that is like lampooned as like elitist is where they eat.
21:26 Speaker 01 That's right.
21:27 Pablo Torre? And the premise of like their black car service, taking them through real America is like, nah, Sean Hannity wasn't doing that [BLEEP].
21:33 Speaker 01 And also like definitely, I imagine Bill O'Reilly grew up swimming and golfing and whatever, like him describing his like illustrious.
21:41 Pablo Torre? Oh, yeah. His origin story begins in Levittown, you know, the cradle of suburbia.
21:46 Speaker 01 That's right.
21:46 Pablo Torre? So he's a real, he's a real American.
21:49 Speaker 01 Goddamn.
21:50 Pablo Torre? I say all of this to say that when those guys are traversing their version of New York, it's a very both familiar experience to any New Yorker who's also just like been around it. But also for you, your particular version of fame in 2014, 15, to go back to that era, that must have been fun.
22:13 Speaker 01 The fame part wasn't fun, but making Broad City was so fun. But the fame part, I think, was like overwhelming and I was really young. And also people were understandably confusing our characters with who we were.
22:23 Pablo Torre? You're in New York City, living as you do on the show.
22:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, because I am who I am. And you know, the, it was funny, we, um, we would often get asked if the show was improvised. And it's like, no, we're really good writers and producers and we're directing this.
22:40 Pablo Torre? Yeah, Amy Sedaris showed up and was just like, you know, we're just gonna, we're just gonna vibe.
22:44 Speaker 01 Right, right. But people really were confused. I think it was so good and such a touchable texture that it was hard to parse from reality. And also I think it was a new way to see women so honestly and so funny. So it was just hard to make sense of for a lot of people.
23:05 Pablo Torre? How do you describe the show for people who have never seen it?
23:09 Speaker 01 I don't.
23:11 Speaker 01 Well, you have to see my show, Bronson. It was a millennial, you know, I don't know.
23:17 Pablo Torre? Because two women in that way, and like, almost like a buddy cop sort of like dynamic was, for me, something I'd never seen before in that way.
23:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:28 Pablo Torre? By the way, like, Amy Poehler had blessed the show was one of your...
23:32 Speaker 01 She was our executive producer. We pitched it with her, and she was also in our web series, our finale.
23:36 Pablo Torre? Yes, right, right. And so here was just like this legitimate, this, immediately it was like, okay, so what's this gonna be? And then it ended up, as I've ranted and raved about, just like this special thing. And when I try to explain it, I don't know, I'm like, you should watch the scene where Amy Sedaris is giving a tour of a quote-unquote railroad apartment to Alana Glazer and Abby Jacobson.
23:59 Speaker 07 Well, what do you think? It's a hallway. It is a beautiful railroad-style apartment in your budget. Where's the bathroom? Where isn't the bathroom? Jeez, where a catheter, go in the corner. You can fit a king-size bed in here. Yeah, if you fold it up like a taco. Wow, why am I so turned on right now? Ew, Pam, this place is horrible. Let's just move on. Look, don't bully me, all right? I can't take it. I was cyberbullied within an inch of my life last night.
24:31 Speaker 01 Two knuckleheads running around New York City in their twenties is how it feels to me. The show was also like part of this robust moment for Comedy Central, which was my go-to channel growing up. Like, I would always, it was...
24:44 Pablo Torre? That era.
24:45 Speaker 01 Oh, that era. That era of Comedy Central, of Amy Poehler, Upright Citizens Brigade, and The Daily Show, when Jon Stewart took it over, Chappelle's Show, Strangers with Candy, Amy Sedaris also. Like, I remember being on Long Island, watching Comedy Central, and being like, where is this all being made? It was being made in New York City. It was like right there, you know? And then to have, to be part of its, this other sort of... Rise in Comedy Central's portfolio. It was such a family vibe at the time. And it was, we didn't really realize it would be the last gasp of the channel and also TV in that way.
25:26 Pablo Torre? Right, right, right. I mean, you guys were clearly like internet fluent, but you were being housed in a way that was linear and analog.
25:36 Speaker 01 Right, right, right. It was, it was, it was traditional television.
25:40 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
25:40 Speaker 01 Straight up.
25:41 Pablo Torre? And that lineup, just in a sports sense, it's just like an insane lineup.
25:45 Speaker 01 Hmm.
25:46 Pablo Torre? It's just like, okay, that was all there at the same time.
25:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:49 Pablo Torre? And now we can never have that again.
25:51 Speaker 01 Right, right.
25:52 Pablo Torre? And.
25:53 Speaker 01 But we will, in our own ways.
25:55 Pablo Torre? Will we?
25:55 Speaker 01 We'll find our way back, I think. I don't know, I don't know. I think there's going to be different ways of it that don't seem one to one, like an analogy, but what are we going to do? Disappear? What are we going to do? Just fall over and die? I mean, like, we're living in this world that we live in and everybody's got, we're human beings with engines inside of us, spiritual engines, where we, just like Jesse Waters, playing the recorder at morning announcements when nobody asks, just like Jesse Waters playing the recorder. It may not be in the same form. And I think the establishment TV and film has like stopped bringing in fresh blood and has really clung to its tent poles.
26:39 Speaker 01 And, you know, that's, that's sometimes comforting, sometimes frustrating, but I, I'm a hopeful person and I'm a faithful person. And I do have faith. I practice the faith that, you know, new voices will keep speaking up and being heard.
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28:47 Pablo Torre? I think, right now, what you're describing, which, again, is seen every day online, is like the open battlefield of content.
28:55 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
28:55 Pablo Torre? And we're all elbowing each other, and no one's watching the same thing.
28:59 Speaker 01 Right.
29:00 Pablo Torre? And people are, again, blessed by various financial instruments and/or tech companies.
29:06 Speaker 01 Yep.
29:07 Pablo Torre? What I miss about, like, oh, wow, a channel, is that if you trust the people on any level who used to run it, and of course, they were wildly imperfect and made horrible decisions at times and all of that, they still had the power to, like, help and enable and platform someone that they thought was good. And in that way, I'm just like, oh, no. But now, we're just like all competing in the open battlefield of content. And that's just scary in a different way.
29:30 Speaker 01 This moment where authoritarianism has like a chokehold on our democracy makes me look back at our history and say, has it always been this way? It's hard to draw the line of when democracy... Was doing its thing because of the genocidal framework on which this country was built.
29:49 Pablo Torre? Yeah, the whole thing of like, when would you like to have gone back to? It's just like, well, tough, tough for lots of people to even pick anything before 1990.
29:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, if that, if that. And you know what has historically happened here against Native Americans and black people and immigrants? It's just like, what democracy for whom, you know? So it it starts to blur the lines for me. And when you're talking about these institutions and I'm thinking lovingly about TV and turning on a channel. And now it's it's kind of perverse and creepy, the way tech companies pretend like they care about humanity and are trying to maximize for humanity, but they're really trying to maximize for their own profit. And also they're focused on AI and trying to create that as a new species that takes over humanity, not really humanity. So to see like they're sort of soft colors and a soft move and Helvetica or whatever.
30:39 Speaker 01 And and they put that together and try to act like it's progressive, but it's really just a choice of optics.
30:47 Pablo Torre? I should be very clear that like my nostalgia for that time is rooted in a just like despair at the lowest bar that I wish we could clear. Which is that someone who had a ton of money and a ton of power and authority over what America broadly was consuming could feel anything like shame or accountability, even if it was on a relative basis.
31:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, right.
31:16 Pablo Torre? That I'm like, man, that sounds that sounds great relative to the utter like state of nature.
31:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I'm also not, I mean, I really love disagreeing and like getting into it to find the middle space. But I'm not even disagreeing with you. I'm like sort of exemplifying how hard it is for me to parse right now. Where does the line get drawn?
31:37 Pablo Torre? Totally. And so this is my extraordinarily long segue to explaining like why you were on television at that table with me. Because you decided to do a thing that seems so hard to me. And so ancient by comparison to all the things we're talking about, which is you did theater.
31:58 Speaker 01 Broadway.
31:59 Pablo Torre? Broadway. You did Good Night and Good Luck.
32:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:02 Pablo Torre? Which I got to see.
32:04 Speaker 01 And I saw you in the audience. Was that incredible?
32:06 Pablo Torre? That's when I was just like, I, I hope she understands that like, this is, I'm just like locking eyes with you.
32:13 Speaker 01 No, you're, um, I appreciate it so much, but you're over correcting for a creepy factor that isn't there.
32:19 Pablo Torre? Great.
32:19 Speaker 01 But I love it.
32:20 Pablo Torre? Great.
32:20 Speaker 01 I love it.
32:21 Pablo Torre? I did lock eyes with you and it's the sort of thing where it's just like, she's, I have no idea what you can see in the audience, like the curtain.
32:27 Speaker 01 Every face.
32:28 Pablo Torre? Every.
32:29 Speaker 01 No, and I'm like looking like at every face. Cause I also like, it was so, um, so I did Good Night and Good Luck.
32:33 Pablo Torre? Yes.
32:34 Speaker 01 Written by George Clooney and Grant Heslop, starring George Clooney and.
32:38 Pablo Torre? As Edward R. Murrow.
32:39 Speaker 01 As Edward R. Murrow. And this is based on a film that he directed, I think it was like too young at the time to play Murrow, who like brings this sort of heft and seriousness. And then he was able to play Murrow for the Broadway show. And it was an incredible experience. I was nervous for previews to like break into from rehearsals to performances, but I wasn't nervous after a certain point. And I attribute that to having gone on the biggest standup tour I've, I'd ever done just the year prior. And I was really missing standup because you look at people's faces and it's almost like a conversation, but it's not, but it like, it's just a different connection. And like onstage, I'm, I'm laughing about seeing you because I'm like desperate to look at people's faces and talk to them
33:24 Speaker 01 like it's standup when I was doing Broadway. It was interesting to have that fourth wall, they call it.
33:30 Pablo Torre? What? So for, again, to make you do the thing of like summarizing what this was about, for people who are not familiar, Edward R. Murrow, a true standard bearer of what it meant to represent the public interest as a journalist.
33:45 Speaker 01 Right.
33:45 Pablo Torre? Was a war reporter.
33:46 Speaker 01 Right.
33:48 Speaker 06 But we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. The actions of the junior senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn't create this situation of fear. He merely exploited it and rather successfully. Cassius was right. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves. Good night and good luck.
34:21 Pablo Torre? And your role in this newsroom, which again, I long for despite the fact that we're talking about like the 50s.
34:28 Speaker 01 Yep, yep, yep.
34:29 Pablo Torre? But I'm like, man, look at that. An institution with people who care about this thing. You played the role of.
34:36 Speaker 01 Shirley Wershba. So yeah, Edward Armero was a true patriot. You're right. I love the way that you said that, like representing the public interest. It's so true and it felt so good to embody that. And Shirley Wershba is an unsung hero of broadcast news.
34:53 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
34:53 Speaker 01 She was there the whole time. She was a journalist who worked with Walter Cronkite, too. Like an illustrious career.
35:00 Pablo Torre? But, but the whole notion now of like doing this play at this time, in which McCarthyism is, that's like the plot.
35:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:08 Pablo Torre? Is that Joseph McCarthy, Senator Joseph McCarthy. He's rooting out communism in America and particularly in the news media, in the press.
35:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:15 Pablo Torre? In this case. And I don't know, I was watching it and I was like, this feels both incredibly important for people to hear and learn about again. And also in comparison to what's happening now, almost quaint.
35:29 Speaker 01 Yes, that is exactly what my husband said. Quaint is the exact word my husband used. And it was like, shivers me. So another way to summarize this, also this play, is that Edward Armero went to battle for free speech. The group of journalists were building up to fully cover McCarthy and show what an unpatriotic politician he was being by causing terror. And like, who really wins? We would talk about in rehearsals in shaping this play, like who really wins? Because McCarthy was censured, but he's still in the Senate. And Edward Armero's program was knocked down to a Sunday afternoon like civics lesson.
36:12 Speaker 01 And yet, it happened and that sort of notch in history was carved out. So at least we have it to look back at. But I think the onslaught, the overstimulation that we are facing right now and all feeling crazed by was such a useful tool to disempower the masses. Whereas at the time, you weren't constantly taking in signals and stimulation and screens. So I think with, I really believe that with enough quiet, people really share values and share the value of freedom of speech. When you're saying, I'm longing for this like 1950s newsroom, but like at least it was quiet enough that people could look at each other and hear each other and hear themselves.
36:57 Speaker 01 And we really do, I think, share values, most people around the entire planet.
37:04 Pablo Torre? Oh, and this one way specifically, freedom of speech, it is the thing you hear all the time from the MAGA Republicans. It's ostensibly a thing they care deeply about. It is very conveniently the thing they care deeply about when it is their speech. And so the premise of like, is this on paper, the thing that everybody can unite around? Absa-fucking-lutely.
37:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:25 Pablo Torre? We hear it rhetorically all of the time. It's just that when it comes time to actually enforce it and who must feel like, in this case, it's the FCC and the literal President of the United States, in this case, it is them feeling like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't say that about us. Now it's, it's, it's, it's absurdist.
37:46 Speaker 01 It's so painful. Oh, my goodness. Um, yeah.
37:53 Pablo Torre? From a trying to do the play perspective, at what point does it stop feeling surreal that you're looking into the eyes of George Clooney? When do you normalize that?
38:05 Speaker 01 Well, it's like you're talking about me like, um, living in the apartment that we both lived in, right? And like that it's beneath my station, but I'm like, no, it isn't. I'm, that was the right place for me to live at the time with my friend and roommate. So with George Clooney, when I first met him, just at a workshop for this play, he was so...
38:25 Speaker 01 Down in the soil in the process of it, that it wasn't like the Casamigos's very own George Clooney. You know what I mean? It was like he just had thoughts and ideas and we were just talking about the play. He made it easy to just be in it with him in a real way.
38:42 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
38:43 Speaker 01 He's so grounded. It's, it's, you know, there's people I think in this, in my business, who are kind of in the business to get to a position where they can perform fame in personal settings. That's so far from who George is, what he really, and as you could see in the play. Oh, my God, he cares about democracy.
39:03 Pablo Torre? He's a true believer. I mean, the whole idea of like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make one of my causes journalism. And I know he comes from a family of, his father was a journalist.
39:11 Speaker 01 That's right.
39:12 Pablo Torre? It's just something that, man, like journalism as a concept, I often talk about this on this show. We just need better branding. People don't think it's cool. They don't understand what it is. You sort of need a cosign from someone cool.
39:25 Speaker 01 Yep.
39:25 Pablo Torre? And I share your sort of like, some version of your nerve endings, where it's like, you meet enough famous people and you're like, okay, I get, I get the general gist. This is not like perpetual like sticker shock.
39:39 Pablo Torre? But with him, I, I just see this public confidence and comfort, even how it comes out for like the curtain call, just like the way he walks, as if like he's, and again, I'm gonna sound like I have a, I do have a crush on him. But like the way he just is able to be the balancing point between, I know I'm [bleep] famous, but I'm gonna sort of like arch my spine in a way that suggests that I am also not above all. It's just like, there's that, you know what I'm talking about?
40:12 Speaker 01 Surreal is what's sort of tripping me up about your question where I'm like surreal, surreal. Like he's so grounded and for me, it was the artist and the leader. That it just takes the surreality away. It's like he's just such a leader that, again, the shared reality and the common values that we all share. If we quiet ourselves enough and turn off our phones. George is leading with those values. He leads with his heart. He believes in what he does and what he says. And it was just so inspiring. He really, he really is my hero.
40:43 Pablo Torre? Part of my concern, I was like, man, is this gonna feel over the top? It's, it's giving a portrait of journalism through this man, this iconic figure for whom like awards are named after that we strive to win. How much of that is gonna feel like, oh, this is a little on the nose? And then you sort of like zoom out to what's happening in real life and you're like, yeah, this feels, this feels like a useful thing for people to be reminded of.
41:13 Speaker 01 Somebody had asked me in an interview about the show, do you think it's an echo chamber? Do you think it's like you're doing this for the, you know, for New York's elite? First of all, New York's true elite are so conservative.
41:25 Pablo Torre? That's the other part about the New York bubble that people don't realize.
41:29 Speaker 01 I'm like, is the richest people controlling so much of the narrative? The New York elite are conservative. What was so brilliant about this play was the Trojan horse of George Clooney. And people coming to see this, the icon that you ask if it's surreal, but they're meeting the artist and activist and advocate that I so admire. And some people leaving, getting up and leaving.
41:51 Pablo Torre? How often did that happen?
41:52 Speaker 01 Not often, because I think people were like, wait, what happened? Like, we don't know this story well enough, that Edward Amaro went to battle against Joseph R. McCarthy and took him down, but was also somewhat taken down in the process. We don't, I mean, it's a fascinating story. It was told so beautifully.
42:08 Pablo Torre? Oh, but his network, yes, under pressure from
42:12 Speaker 01 That's right.
42:12 Pablo Torre? political, obvious political forces, decided we need to compromise our principles to support the business
42:19 Speaker 01 Yep.
42:19 Pablo Torre? and the cooperative relationship we want to have with the most powerful people in our country.
42:23 Speaker 01 That's right. And that thing I also want to say is, it was New York's elite, which are deeply violently conservative, but then also tri-state area people. I grew up on Long Island. These are the conservative people who made Fox News happen. I remember being a caterer waiter at the golf club in the rich part of my town and like seeing Fox News play, and it was moderate back then. So it was kind of similar to what was on NBC and ABC. And tri-state area people who live in Jersey, Connecticut, and Long Island, who are coming to Broadway to see what they imagine is Ocean's Eleven, George Clooney, or whatever, coming in like really learning something and seeing him stand up for what he believes in.
43:07 Speaker 01 Seeing people stand up for human rights and what they believe in is rare these days, not because it doesn't happen, but because it isn't distributed by the algorithms.
43:16 Pablo Torre? Yes.
43:16 Speaker 01 So I see these people like moved, and it was important that these people are moved and know where we're at.
43:26 Pablo Torre? The other thing about why it's meaningful to me for like a very famous person like George Clooney to stand up for journalism is that I presume as a default at this point that if you're a very famous person who's been reported on, you resent the general genre of the profession that is doing that to you. And of course-
43:49 Speaker 01 And do you mean reported on like famous stuff?
43:51 Pablo Torre? I just mean public scrutiny from people who call themselves reporters that may well be, as well as tabloid people who are not aware the costume of it.
44:00 Speaker 01 Right, right, right, right.
44:01 Pablo Torre? But just like the general thing of like, I can understand if that guy's like, if anyone in that position's like, yeah, this isn't going to be my cause. But the fact that it is for him, I mean, I just presume that very few super wealthy, super famous people are like down to ride for the institution of journalism when it means that they themselves might be investigated at some point for any reason.
44:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're right.
44:25 Pablo Torre? And here's this dude who's like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna teach people about how this is important.
44:30 Speaker 01 So inspiring. And like, the act of George standing up there every night, and can you believe the montage at the end?
44:37 Pablo Torre? I know.
44:38 Speaker 01 The montage, that was the only part that I was like, woo, it's on the nose. It was like a nail and a hammer hitting that nail.
44:44 Pablo Torre? And so, that's the thing I was referring to, where I'm like, is this necessary? And the more I think about what's happened since, I'm like, it's actually more subtle than it could have been.
44:55 Speaker 01 I know.
44:56 Pablo Torre? Given every, again, given, whatever, pick your example from the last several days.
45:01 Speaker 01 For people who didn't see it, the montage was basically a history of television through journalism.
45:07 Pablo Torre? Like newscast, it's the post-credit scene of like a comic book movie. It's like, this is what happened after.
45:12 Speaker 01 And George would stand there and the montage would play behind him and it would get worse and worse and worse. And this was something that he like would always like hit him. There was this Jerry Springer beat and it's Jerry Springer like having poor people wrestle each other on his show. And George would specifically, and you're asking, could we see out? We could see everybody. And he's looking at the faces of the American people to see how they're responding to the montage behind him. And at the Jerry Springer point, he would look for who was laughing and thinking this was funny. But I think also they were like, people were confused and also shocked and the anxiety building of watching this, this montage. And it would build to Elon Musk giving the Nazi salute
45:56 Speaker 01 at the presidential inauguration, which happened just this year. So it meant so much to me as a Jewish person who's stood up for the dignity and safety of Palestinian people in this moment of Israel's war against Palestine. As a Jew who is afraid for Jewish safety too, to see that montage end, highlighting the Nazi salute was so meaningful to me. And I just felt like so, so grateful to him for that.
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48:05 Pablo Torre? I feel this as I walk through my neighborhood and encounter very old people. I'm like, you guys, you guys were on to something.
48:15 Speaker 01 In what way?
48:17 Pablo Torre? The way of life that came before the disruption of the internet.
48:22 Speaker 01 It's the noise. And it's not even, I don't know, like the, it just didn't get regulated soon enough.
48:28 Pablo Torre? Can I give you my political platform?
48:30 Speaker 01 Please.
48:30 Pablo Torre? For how to solve the internet?
48:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, please.
48:32 Pablo Torre? And I hesitate to do this. But I think we should all go back to 56 kbps modems. I think high-speed internet.
48:41 Speaker 01 Say it again.
48:42 Pablo Torre? 56 kbps modems, like the fastest of the modems that would scream at us.
48:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:49 Pablo Torre? That, when like, as I say, like, when a JPEG really meant something. When it unfurled like a tapestry on your computer screen.
48:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:59 Pablo Torre? I just feel like we, you earned it.
49:01 Speaker 01 Yeah. I mean, the slowing. I think everything needs to slow down.
49:05 Pablo Torre? Quiet. I loved what you said before about like, in the quiet of just like fewer distractions, noises, voices, as much as we want, lots of voices, the more that we can just like, really like, just sit and not be assaulted.
49:21 Speaker 01 Yeah. And you're, when you were making me think like picturing Shirley worship in the newsroom and like the... The quiet of going out to get a newspaper or whatever, or going out to get cigarettes, like on your walk, you're not checking your phone. It's the pace. The pace is part of the assault. And we have to, unfortunately, you know, like the fossil fuel companies have made us think that we're the problem, so we have to recycle. And then it's like-
49:48 Pablo Torre? That's right.
49:49 Speaker 01 And then it's kind of unclear where the recycling's going, right? And-
49:53 Pablo Torre? We did, I think we all agree that the recycling isn't going anywhere that we thought it was.
49:57 Speaker 01 I know, I know. It's not, is my sense as well. And then in the same way, I've been, I've been taking it upon myself to slow down my intake of social media and the internet. But I'm making that connection now to like recycling, where it's like, it really isn't our responsibility individually. It needs to be, and, and parents with children, like we are, we have to shape very carefully how they're going to be taking in this or that. And screens are everywhere now. We have to talk to our kids constantly because it's genuinely unsafe for our children. The tech billionaires know that. They're not being tracked the way we are. But there needs to be government regulation. And right now, we're in such a crisis.
50:40 Pablo Torre? I'm laughing at the idea of like, regulation. It's like, yeah, it would be nice. It would be nice.
50:45 Speaker 01 It's hard right now. Things are so upside down and so absurd, it's hard to even think about asking for reasonable things, or demanding reasonable things, or protesting for reasonable things. But I do think that's going to be part of moving forward, to keep naming the baseline, like healthcare, access to healthcare for everybody. And to keep naming it as what would be normal, because we're in such an abnormal time.
51:10 Pablo Torre? I think I just generally would like our elected officials in this administration to just feel the watchful gaze of thousands of eyeballs upon them, as if they are sitting on a patio in the East Village-
51:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:26 Pablo Torre? -in New York City, just like knowing you're being watched.
51:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:30 Pablo Torre? We see what you're doing.
51:31 Speaker 01 Millions. I'm hoping it's millions. There's like 330 million people in this country.
51:36 Pablo Torre? You know, at a time like this, as we- Go around the table and say what it is we found out today. On a show called Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out. I have found out that, uh, in the quiet, it's important to distinguish between voices you wanna hear and the sound of a lonely recorder being played by a Fox News host who just wants to make everybody listen to the [BLEEP] that's coming out of his mouth.
52:09 Speaker 01 I've found out today that you are a Clooney head. You're a full-on Clooney head, dude.
52:17 Pablo Torre? I am, I am-
52:18 Speaker 01 And, and you have good taste.
52:19 Pablo Torre? I'm unrepentant about that.
52:21 Speaker 01 Wait, can I say what I've found out actually more personally? Today, what I've found out is that I was getting your mail. And I had the memory, truly the memory, of seeing Pablo Torre on mail and being like, you know, in New York, well, I'll never meet them. And it just hit me in recording this, that I, like, have seen your name since-
52:43 Pablo Torre? Yes.
52:43 Speaker 01 -10 years ago.
52:44 Pablo Torre? Yes.
52:44 Speaker 01 How cool is that? Like, that is magic, dude.
52:47 Pablo Torre? It's one of the reasons I love New York City. It's also another one of the reasons why I'm missing a lot of Sports Illustrateds. So if you wanna-
52:55 Speaker 01 Those are, that's what you're-
52:56 Pablo Torre? Get those back. This direction.
53:00 Speaker 01 Yeah. Sports Illustrated, it's just like one sexy issue a year, right?
53:03 Pablo Torre? Well, it depends on what you're into.
53:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's right.
53:06 Pablo Torre? Cause other times-
53:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:08 Pablo Torre? Those, those guys-
53:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, them football costumes. Yeah. So into it. I should watch football. I would watch football more if it weren't so scary.
53:17 Pablo Torre? Well, there's that.
53:18 Speaker 01 It's just everybody's getting so hurt.
53:20 Pablo Torre? They are hurt, but...
53:23 Pablo Torre? But.
53:25 Speaker 01 But their butts?
53:25 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
53:26 Speaker 01 I know.
53:27 Pablo Torre? Um, Alana Glazer, thank you for doing this.
53:29 Speaker 01 Thanks for having me, Pablo. This is so, this closed the loop for me as well. And I'm just so, um, so pleased to talk to such a smart man in my generation. Smart, feeling, thinking men have been so [BLEEP] over through representation. So it's really nice to talk to you and remember that my husband isn't the only- My husband and George Clooney aren't the only good men.
53:52 Pablo Torre? The holy trinity: me, your husband, George Clooney.
53:55 Speaker 01 You're not the only good men out there. There are, there are more.
53:58 Pablo Torre? I feel like, I feel like, though, at the, on the medal stand, that's a pretty good big three.
54:03 Speaker 01 Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah.
54:12 Pablo Torre? This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production.
54:18 Pablo Torre? And I'll talk to you next time.
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