Share & Cinderella & Tell with Lucy Rohden and Rodger Sherman

What would you do if you got hit by a stomach bug while driving a Nissan Sentra? Are UNC grads actually bigger a$$holes than Duke fans? Should you pick your bracket solely based on mascots? And how would you create the ultimate sports bubble? Plus: Chihuahua Guy, Lady Cocks, Gentleman Zips, @RamsesBalls, fate, destiny, peace accords and snitching on Hawkeye Elvis. • Subscribe to the Read Rodge newsletter: https://rodgersherman.substack.com/ • Watch "Off-Rohding" with Lucy Rohden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbPIlsADdT0&list=PLRsPi_fqIjreCx526Na0R_JI7xxO6rfML Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Pablo Torre?

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• 2:56Pablo Torre?

  Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  This is the first time I've been on this show. This is how everyone's going to know me, the vomit girl.

• 3:13Pablo Torre?

  Right after this ad.

• 3:15Speaker 03

  You're listening to DraftKings Network.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  I've been thinking about this a lot in recent days. And like, the conference tournament season is the number one event for like, the third-tier sporting arenas, besides like, AEW Wrestling. And it's also the number one week for Red Panda. She does like, three tournaments that week.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  I don't know, like, how she travels so efficiently. Does Red Panda have a private jet, is the question? Because she'll be at the Big Ten Tournament, and the next day, she's in Charlotte.

• 3:56Pablo Torre?

  Red Panda absolutely does not have a private jet.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  I don't know, not with that attitude.

• 3:59Speaker 04

  She lost her unicycle on the, in transit one time.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  Well, that's why she needs one.

• 4:06Pablo Torre?

  But the list of people who deserve a private jet, number one is Red Panda.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  I believe so.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  I remember one time the ACC and the Big Easts were both in New York. The ACC was at Barclays, and Red Panda did both. And I was like, good pull, Red Panda.

• 4:20Pablo Torre?

  That's like Deion Sanders.

• 4:25Pablo Torre?

  No one, no one does it like her.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  She's a star.

• 4:29Pablo Torre?

  Should be a Hall of Famer. We've tried to crusade for this.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a.

• 4:33Pablo Torre?

  We continue to crusade for this.

• 4:34Speaker 04

  It's a populatory topic, for sure.

• 4:36Pablo Torre?

  I mean, she's just the greatest.

• 4:38Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. And you know something? Every time when I saw her at both the Big East and the ACC, both times, I was like, it was incredible. This is better than, this is better than the basketball.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Have you seen the chihuahua guy?

• 4:50Speaker 04

  You know, he's trying to steal her thunder.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  He is pretty cool, though. That dog does crazy tricks.

• 4:55Pablo Torre?

  So, chihuahua guy, for those who are not familiar with chihuahua guy, um, the chihuahua does what?

• 5:02Speaker 02

  He just like jumps and like climbs over the person. Like, it's, it's, it's hard to explain, but he's doing like cool tricks. It's like acrobatics, but for a chihuahua, but the like.

• 5:13Pablo Torre?

  But he.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  The course is the person.

• 5:15Pablo Torre?

  The guy is the course.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think they also have other courses, too. I think he brings props.

• 5:20Pablo Torre?

  I've only seen the guy as the course.

• 5:23Speaker 04

  I saw him last year and I tweeted about it and I was like, for a second, I thought it was just a guy doing like gymnastics by himself and then the chihuahua came out and I was pumped. And he, he replied like, yeah, this is my life. Like, no one is there for me. Everyone's here for the chihuahua.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  I believe that he went to Illinois State, because I have a friend who went to Illinois. This is a deep cut, that I had a friend that went to Illinois State and I'm pretty sure that they have like a good circus program. Like, that's something that they have. Like, I know Florida State has a good circus program, but I think that Illinois State does as well. But I'm not positive.

• 5:58Pablo Torre?

  Christian Stoinev, Illinois State graduate, 2013.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  You know what's?

• 6:04Pablo Torre?

  And Scooby.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  Scooby is the chihuahua?

• 6:06Pablo Torre?

  Scooby, the, the, the, the chihuahua that sits atop the, uh, physical human platform that is Christian.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  You know who's making a, who I've seen in recent weeks, who is definitely at multiple tournaments? There's a woman who does jump ropes and on the other end of the jump rope is a dog. And then jumping the jump rope in the middle is a third dog.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  What?

• 6:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, she was at multiple conference tournaments. It's a big week for the halftime entertainers of the world.

• 6:31Pablo Torre?

  It is. We don't really think about that, but you're totally right. You're totally right that on the calendar, um, when it comes to monetizing your dog.

• 6:41Pablo Torre?

  It's your, it's.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  Your talented dogs.

• 6:43Pablo Torre?

  That's right. It's talented dog season.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  That's so cool. Have you guys seen the dog that paints and like paints really well?

• 6:49Speaker 04

  Does it do basketball games?

• 6:50Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, does a halftime?

• 6:51Speaker 02

  I hope it does. It's just like on TikTok. I believe it will become a halftime performance.

• 6:55Pablo Torre?

  We're in the cool dog space.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  But this dog like can like pick up a brush with its its teeth and actually paint something kind of beautiful. And but it also makes me think it's a little fake because aren't dogs colorblind? How can you tell what the colors of this guy are?

• 7:07Speaker 04

  TikTok has flooded the zone with pets doing cool stuff, but I only care if they can do it in the seven minutes in between the end of the second quarter and the teams coming out for warmups. If you can massage that into something at home and turn it into like a video, I don't believe it. I don't buy it. I need to see it in person before the team comes out to to shoot some 16 footers.

• 7:50Pablo Torre?

  Rodger Sherman, Lucy Rohden. I I am not somebody who goes on the road anymore in the ways that I want to. But how would you mathematically add up how much time you've spent at college campuses over the last year between the two of you?

• 8:07Speaker 02

  I went to 19 games. I actually did the math.

• 8:11Speaker 04

  So I went to 62 games in the 2023 season.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  Which is nuts.

• 8:15Pablo Torre?

  Christ.

• 8:16Speaker 04

  And this season, I did not do that. This season I slept. That was like a one time bit for me. Lucy has now done multiple seasons of like seeing dozens of games. So we're probably, you'll probably catch me next year.

• 8:31Pablo Torre?

  Lucy's frowning at her cellphone.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  I went to 19 games. I took 42 flights there. And I got the stomach virus one time and that was bad.

• 8:41Pablo Torre?

  One time feels based on the total.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Pretty good.

• 8:43Pablo Torre?

  Opportunities to get various stomach viruses. Not bad. Yeah.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  It was not good. It was not good at all.

• 8:50Pablo Torre?

  Was it a Tracy Morgan at Madison Square Garden situation?

• 8:53Speaker 02

  It was a.

• 8:54Speaker 04

  Is he okay?

• 8:55Pablo Torre?

  I am told. So I conducted a brief investigation. I am told sources close to Tracy Morgan inform me that he is okay.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  I've been there, brother.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  You've got Tracy Morgan sources?

• 9:04Pablo Torre?

  Roger, I got sources you've never even dreamed of.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  That's incredible.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  Dang, that's really cool. I got the stomach virus in a rental car, so that was horrible. It was the worst. That was the, okay.

• 9:15Pablo Torre?

  Not quite courtside at the Garden.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  No, it was the worst, one of the worst days of my life.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  From a, like, a stadium food?

• 9:23Speaker 02

  We were, I, I don't know what it was from. We were leaving the University of South Carolina and I was driving to my dad's house in North Carolina. So it's like a three-ish hour drive. Easy for me. I drive across the country all the time casually. But we're, we're going and I'm not feeling the best. Not feeling the best. And as I merge onto the highway, there's nowhere for me to go. We're merging onto the interstate, I throw up everywhere. And then, this is so gross and I don't know why I'm telling people this. So I use my hand because it's, ah.

• 9:52Pablo Torre?

  You're trying to catch it? You're trying to catch it?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  It was, I wasn't trying to, it was an instinct. I'm trying to see the road. And so, goes everywhere. I have to drive like this. I'm covered in vomit, I'm sobbing hysterically. Hysterically. I had a matcha, so it's all green and gross. It's the worst. I'm just sobbing and I call my dad and he's like, have you been in an accident? I'm like, worse, I threw up all over myself, this is terrible. I pull over at a gas station, I'm just crying and crying and crying. I'm covered in vomit. And so I have to take all my clothes off because I'm covered in vomit. But I'm covered in so much vomit and I'm basically naked in this parking lot and you can't tell because there's so much vomit on me. It was a really bad day.

• 10:31Speaker 04

  Share and tell.

• 10:32Pablo Torre?

  I apologize for laughing.

• 10:34Speaker 02

  This is the first time I've been on this show. This is how everyone's gonna know me, the vomit girl.

• 10:39Pablo Torre?

  One quick question. Is there any chance, because it was so green, that people were like, that, that's not vomit?

• 10:46Speaker 02

  I don't know what they thought. Like, it was everywhere. It was in my hair, it was on my face, it was all over my body. And this was a crowded, like, gas station in South Carolina for some reason. Everybody was there and I was like, I don't care. I will say that Father of the Year, I got back, I'm like sobbing and covered in vomit. My dad was like, just go throw up. And he cleaned out all the vomit for me.

• 11:05Pablo Torre?

  Oh, man.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  And he didn't get the stomach virus, which that kind of pisses me off. Like, thanks for your help, but you should have gotten it. I should have been contagious.

• 11:13Pablo Torre?

  Which is all to say that in the time that you guys hung out together, Roger remained unvomited upon.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  No, I never puked in front of y'all.

• 11:20Speaker 04

  I, I did not know you as of, as a vomiter, a projectile vomiter and now that...

• 11:25Speaker 02

  It was so bad, it was like The Exorcist.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  I'm really glad we asked her. I wasn't expecting that much detail about the vomit. Like, nor, I, I thought she was just gonna say, yeah, it was bad and...

• 11:37Pablo Torre?

  This is, this is the journalism that we all aspire to.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  It was so bad. It was awful.

• 11:43Speaker 04

  Tough, tough scene.

• 11:44Pablo Torre?

  So this is the time when we contemplate. Yeah, the, the cosmic celestial fates of the teams on this bracket. They gave us paper brackets. We have paper. I don't have a printer. Paper bracket.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  I'm so excited.

• 12:00Pablo Torre?

  Uh, you guys have spent so much time around college students, college athletes, that your interpretation of how this is going to go from a metaphysical level is actually news I could use. And, and Roger, I feel like you have done, as is your want, as is your Substack's whole deal, a genuinely insane amount of research. So how do you assess the four quadrants on this bracket?

• 12:28Speaker 04

  First of all, I don't pay attention to any, uh, any of the teams with single digits. You know, there's, there's several teams that are apparently good at college basketball this year. We're not here to talk about those.

• 12:39Pablo Torre?

  No.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  We're here to talk about the teams that went like 17-1 in their conferences, and I believe they can pull the upset, and also they've never been to the NCAA tournament before, and also they have a unique mascot. Those are who I'm honed in on.

• 12:53Pablo Torre?

  So just for the record though, so like Duke and Cooper Flag.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  Who?

• 12:58Pablo Torre?

  Not interested, but the fact that Cooper Flag's mom is very angry at.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  I love her.

• 13:04Pablo Torre?

  Carolina. Lucy is already making noises.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  Um, so my brother texted me that when she wrote like this full Facebook post, basically being like, Carolina fans suck, and I'm so happy we beat you, and I don't care, because the worst fan experience I've ever had in my life was at a UNC game, and I know that everything she said is true. Everything. I'll set the scene since you asked. Sixteen years old, a young Lucy, full of hopes and dreams. Okay? That's different from me now. No more hopes and dreams. Those are gone. This guy took it from me.

• 13:40Pablo Torre?

  Got vomited out in a Nissan Sentra.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty much. Well, at times. So Iowa was playing UNC in the Big Ten ACC Challenge, and me and my little brother went. And Iowa beat UNC. They never should have. It was one of the worst basketball games I've ever seen in my life. Like, it was genuinely a terrible game. But I'm from North Carolina, so it was super exciting because me and my brother never get to see Iowa play. I believe it was the first time that UNC had lost at home as a ranked team to an unranked team. It was a crazy upset that wasn't even important. It was like a Tuesday in December. It was the Big Ten ACC Challenge. Who cares? And we're sitting there, and me and my brother are celebrating. And this guy turns around. He's sitting in front of me, and he's like, "You're the reason UNC lost." Me? Lucy?

• 14:21Pablo Torre?

  Like, that's impressive for one sixteen-year-old, yeah.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  And I was like, "Um, no, sir. I'm sorry." Like, it was just, you know, you can't win them all, whatever. I'm sixteen.

• 14:31Pablo Torre?

  You do realize when you're doing the Lucy sixteen-year-old voice, it's literally the same as Lucy in the present tense voice.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but imagine me looking. I actually pretty much look sixteen right now.

• 14:39Pablo Torre?

  You look fifteen.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  I looked twelve at the time, which is important for the story, actually. So he's like, "You're the reason UNC lost." I'm like, "Hey, man, no, I'm not. I didn't do anything." And I was really nice. Like, I was like, "Hey, I'm sorry. Like, you know, these things happen." And he was like, "Who do you think you are coming to a basketball game cheering like that?" I said, "What?" I feel like this is the one socially acceptable place for me to do that. And like, I'm a kid. I'm like, "What?" And he's got to be in his seventies. Like, he's got a sweater vest on. And so I'm like, "Um, you know, it's... I'm sorry, sir. It's just a basketball game. Like, we never get to see our favorite team. Like, and they won. Like, it's a big deal for us." And he hits me. He goes,

• 15:18Pablo Torre?

  What?

• 15:19Speaker 02

  I know! I was a child. I was a baby. So he shoves me. He pushes me back into my seat. I'm like, "What?"

• 15:26Pablo Torre?

  I'm sorry.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  I got assaulted.

• 15:27Pablo Torre?

  I feel like I am responsible for retroactively filing a police report.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  So here's how that went. So I'm like, what? I was just hit by an old man and his wife is like, oh no. But these lovely Iowa fans had come and sat with us during the game. So one of them was a professor of law at Wake Forest and she was like, hey, man, you just assaulted a 12-year-old. Which by the way, we had been talking the whole game and I was like, oh, she's thought I was 12 years old this whole time. Like, that really hurts my feelings. And it looks like I was 12 years old and I was dressed like I was 12 years old. Like, I was dressed way too intensely for a Tuesday night basketball game in Chapel Hill. So they had to go get security because, well, he hit me. So security comes and my dad's like, we need to get out of here. We have to leave. And I was like, no, we have to, we have to stay with Tiffany. She fought for my honor. And then he was like, no, we have to leave. And I left and I was like, I will never go to Carolina.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  Because that's the school I wanted to go to and I hate them. So when Cooper Flag's mom was like, yeah, these fans sucked and they were horrible. I knew she was telling the truth.

• 16:24Pablo Torre?

  Right. So in other words, quote, "A big F you to the entire Carolina fan base for being classless a-holes."

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I bet it was that guy.

• 16:32Pablo Torre?

  Well.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  I bet it was him.

• 16:34Pablo Torre?

  Our investigation continues.

• 16:35Speaker 04

  Generally, the, the understanding in the college basketball universe is that Duke is the evil one of the two schools.

• 16:43Pablo Torre?

  Correct.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  No.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  It's UNC and we just didn't realize it all these years.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  It was UNC. Like, the thing with Duke is like, I do think that they can be [BLEEP] holes. But they like really get into the games. They're, they're a very passionate fan base. UNC fans show up, they don't really get into it. They're a very wine and cheese crowd. So for me, 16-year-old Lucy that could have passed her 12, when she showed up and she was cheering and having a good time, it was like the cardinal scent.

• 17:07Pablo Torre?

  I find it very difficult to disagree with your rankings of who's the bigger [BLEEP] hole, uh, based on your personal experience.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  I was hit. I was assaulted.

• 17:16Pablo Torre?

  Roger's writing down notes on his bracket.

• 17:18Speaker 04

  No, I'm just crossing UNC off.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, when they, look, when they, I, it like created like a life, like, I hate UNC.

• 17:25Pablo Torre?

  I'm gonna cross UNC off too.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  I just remembered another place I met you, which was the Dukes Mayo Bowl between West Virginia and North Carolina, where we were on the sidelines with the North Carolina Ram.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 17:35Pablo Torre?

  Ramses.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  Ramses, yes.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  His balls are huge.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  Really, very, you know, they tend to focus on the, the front with the horns, but there's, it's, it's a ram. It's not a sheep.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  It's insane. Like, it's jarring. They're giant bulls.

• 17:50Pablo Torre?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're saying this is the real-life Ram?

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 17:54Pablo Torre?

  With anatomically, like, just in real life?

• 17:57Speaker 04

  He has horns painted blue. The costume mascot, no testicles.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, not.

• 18:02Pablo Torre?

  Correct.

• 18:03Speaker 04

  Not, I mean, I think he's wearing-

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Not that we can see.

• 18:05Speaker 04

  He's wearing clothing, so.

• 18:06Pablo Torre?

  I once went, so I used to cover the NCAA tournament for Sports Illustrated all the time. And I remember going into a bathroom at a regional. And into the bathroom, as I was at the urinal, walked Ramses. And he went into a stall. And now I realize if I had peeked into that stall, I would have seen some, some things.

• 18:25Speaker 04

  Wait, wait, the, the costume mascot, not the goat. Okay.

• 18:28Pablo Torre?

  I think I took a photo of, of this.

• 18:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a, that's a fun part of being in college.

• 18:33Pablo Torre?

  That might also be illegal.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  There's like, if you go to a college basketball tournament and you have a press pass and you're in the behind-the-scenes area, you will see a lot of mascots, like, with their, uh, head off, drinking, like, some Gatorade or whatever to stay.

• 18:45Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, real, like, Disneyland, uh, Mickey Mouse smoking a cigarette vibes.

• 18:50Speaker 04

  I remember, I was at the St. Peters one a couple of years ago and, and, like, like, at UNC, there must be, like, 20 guys, like, trying to be the UNC mascot, but, like, the St. Peters guy was really chill. I just remember him walking off the, walking out of the area and just being like, "Hey, where's the pizza?" And I was like...

• 19:11Speaker 04

  I, I, I just, he, he was definitely less of a, a professional than, than the other mascots on the scene.

• 19:17Pablo Torre?

  So just to keep, uh, the count-

• 19:19Speaker 04

  And they lost to North Carolina, too. It's...

• 19:22Speaker 02

  They ruined everything.

• 19:23Pablo Torre?

  We've already talked about, uh, a prodigious amount of vomit, uh, an alleged assault, um, someone being-

• 19:31Speaker 02

  Alleged?

• 19:32Pablo Torre?

  And then also the mascot of a school that is presumably based on the guy who makes the decision on whether you go to hell or not. In St. Peters.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, there's, there's, like you said-

• 19:43Pablo Torre?

  There's a lot going on in this.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  What's the word? You said metaphysical, cosmological?

• 19:46Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 04

  There's a lot of that going on.

• 19:49Pablo Torre?

  But the West region, Roger, sorry, we derailed you in ways that are now too difficult to summarize.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  I was assaulted. It was fair for me to do that.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I will not be silenced.

• 20:00Pablo Torre?

  Can't stop laughing at your general suffering.

• 20:05Speaker 04

  So going, going region by region here in the West.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  You know, again, once again, we're skipping all the, the single digit seeds. We're here just to talk about the University of Nebraska at Omaha and their first NCAA tournament, the 15 seed. What I love about this team is that in December, when they were, I believe, four and nine, their team started a tradition of just beating the crap out of a trash can in the, in the locker room before the games. And it worked. They were the best team in the Summit League. They won the conference. They made the NCAA tournament. They got the bid. And I think this is great strategy. First of all, they really go at these trashcans.

• 20:45Pablo Torre?

  I am now realizing that this is what I had previously only known as that trashcan team.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, they really go at these trashcans. I saw a video where one of the guys jumps off like a fridge onto it and does like a wrestling move. And he's like a player on the team. And I was like, that seems like a lot of, like, like a little risky move just to beat up a trashcan.

• 21:05Pablo Torre?

  So just, this is post-game and dude walks in and everybody is already in ceremonial.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  Trashcan destruction circle.

• 21:17Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  It's, it's a little violent.

• 21:24Pablo Torre?

  The towel being snapped repeatedly only to set up the elbow drop.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  Trashcans are expensive. That seems kind of wasteful.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  I'm not sure if they're, it's a BYO situation where they're at like a road game. They're going to destroy your team's like trashcan.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  Ooh, that's a good question.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  I'm not, I'm not sure how they are handling the logistics of the, the NCAA tournament. You know, they're, they're all going to neutral sites.

• 21:48Pablo Torre?

  Right. You bring, so. How did this start, though?

• 21:52Speaker 04

  So, like I was saying, they were, they were 4-9 and the assistant coach decided to do it as a motivational tool. And people are like, it, it turned around their season after that point. I think the actual thing that turned around their season is just that they had a really hard non-conference schedule and they were a pretty good team in the Summit League and, and then they, they started conference play and they started winning. So like, incredible job by that assistant coach to realize the perfect time to deploy your motivational tactic is when your team has just played like Iowa State and I think like Minnesota and some other, you know, big non-conference teams and then the rest of your, your season is, is against, uh, South Dakota, South Dakota State, North Dakota, North Dakota State,

• 22:36Speaker 04

  St. Thomas. Um, so, smart thinking by him. I, I also, there was a quote by, I was reading one of the stories about the trash can situation and he said, he confirmed that none of the trash cans they beat up have mothers and fathers. They're all...

• 22:52Pablo Torre?

  Orphaned?

• 22:55Speaker 04

  I'm not sure what his point was there.

• 22:58Pablo Torre?

  We're just...

• 22:58Speaker 04

  We're just being a orphan.

• 23:00Pablo Torre?

  We're just whipping these orphan garbage cans.

• 23:03Speaker 04

  I think he was trying to say like, there's no one feeling bad on their behalf, but that somehow made it sadder to me.

• 23:08Pablo Torre?

  This is a real, by the way, just a tremendous reclaiming of trash can beating that I thought the Astros had just totally monopolized. And they're like, there's still, there's still meat left on the bone inside of this trash can.

• 23:19Speaker 04

  The trash cans thought they were safe for a few years because the Astros really made it seem like that was an uncool thing to do. And now everyone's beating them. And what I really liked, um, when they won this, when they won the Summit League tournament, the, the, I'm not sure how this fits into the mythology of it, but they were presented the trophy out of a, out of a trash can. Like it, they, they hoisted it out of there, which was really beautiful.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Did they beat that trash can too?

• 23:43Speaker 04

  They seemed pretty chill with that one.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  Oh, that one had a family.

• 23:46Pablo Torre?

  You know, I don't know what happened. I'm gonna guess that they, I'm gonna guess that they eventually also beat that trash can, though.

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• 27:32Pablo Torre?

  The East Region, Roger. As you spin the globe.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  Of the teams in this region, the one that I love the most is the Akron Zips. I have come in my Akron Zips t-shirt.

• 27:46Pablo Torre?

  So it's a kangaroo next to a giant letter A.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  Yes. Are you familiar? Do you know the mascot? Do you know the mascot of the Akron Zips?

• 27:54Pablo Torre?

  I can only imagine that Zip is involved, but no.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  There's a kangaroo, correct? And do you know any other?

• 28:01Pablo Torre?

  I know zero other facts about the Akron Zips.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  You know Zip?

• 28:05Pablo Torre?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  That was, I didn't plan that. I'm just really funny.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  What is a Zip technically?

• 28:11Speaker 04

  Akron primarily produces two things, rubber and LeBron James. And at some point in the 1920s or 30s. The rubber companies also produce zippers. Ah. And like, this is like, this was like new technology at the time. Zippers are kind of one of those things that I assumed had been around for hundreds of years. But like, you watch, like, movies set in the 1800s and they all have like elaborate buckles and stuff. They're not. Right. Like, there aren't zippers there. Like, we invented zippers at some point. It was new technology and the people in Akron were very excited about it, so much so. Um, a- and I think it's associated with the rubber, like, like they were making rubber shoes with zippers on them or something like that.

• 28:53Pablo Torre?

  Uh, the B.F. Goodrich Company is what this Wikipedia page is instructing me to point out.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  Which is separate from Goodyear, which is also a tire company based in Akron, Ohio. And they, they have the Goodyear Blimp there. I, I flew in the Goodyear Blimp. I'm getting off topic here. When I was in Akron, I, I, they, they let me fly in the Goodyear Blimp. Wearing this t-shirt. Anyway, so they named the team the Zippers. Later shortened to Zips to celebrate Akron's zippers. And they were like, what mascot do we have that we can, uh, you know, signify the zipper? So they decided to make a kangaroo with a pouch with a zipper on it. Which, this, this pouch does not.

• 29:33Pablo Torre?

  I, I don't see a zipper.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  But a- a- originally, the pouch was zipped, you know, keep your babies from falling out, et cetera. But here's what I think is great about this. Only female kangaroos have pouches. Yes. Male kangaroos do not. So they were, I believe, one of two Division One schools whose mascot is explicitly female. The other being the Delaware Blue Hens. Uh, but which, you know, there's so many Gamecocks and Roosters. And the default is to make your mascot a guy, even if it's.

• 30:05Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, I mean, West Virginia has a literal, uh, coonskin cap-wearing rifle-toting man.

• 30:12Speaker 04

  And North Carolina's has some balls. Huge balls.

• 30:16Pablo Torre?

  As established.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  Just big ol' balls. Um, and, um.

• 30:20Pablo Torre?

  I had not thought about this statistic. That the Delaware Blue Hens and the Akron Zips have the only explicitly female mascots.

• 30:27Speaker 04

  I believe so. I know that Akron is the only one in FBS football, like, of the, the top tier. Um, there, I'm pretty confident there are no other explicitly female mascots out there.

• 30:37Pablo Torre?

  In men's basketball, yes.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  Normally, when a school has a mascot, it's either male or, like, at some cases, like, Florida, um.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  They will have like, or NC State, they have the male and the female mascot and there's always a really weird like dynamic.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a freaky deal.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  Baylor, Baylor has a male and a lady, like so, and they have to signify that one of them is male and that one is just like a default version of the animal, like, Albert the gator just looks like an alligator, uh, walking on two legs. Mr. Wolf just looks like a wolf walking on two legs. And then the female version, like, they always have lipstick.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Which, which is not actually a thing that you put on, on animals.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  And I know that the Mrs. Wolf, she has like an apron, I believe.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes. And they're always either, like, there, there's always like a weird backstory where they're like either married or siblings.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, they always have Clemson doesn't have like, uh, they have a regular tiger. They don't have like a, a female version of it. They have like a little one that there's, I've asked the relation and I, I asked the mascot directly. So he wasn't able to speak to me, but he gave me thumbs up, thumbs down. He said they're cousins.

• 31:48Pablo Torre?

  The amount of reporting that has gone into these observations you've made is genuinely, uh, kind of breaking my brain.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  But I'm just glad that Akron, when they came up with this mascot in the forties and fifties, were laying out, you know, a, a vision for, for female sports fandom, that you can be a lady kangaroo and they didn't lipstick her up or put her in weird clothing.

• 32:07Pablo Torre?

  Right. I wouldn't even know.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  You wouldn't even know. It's just, it, it, there's, there's not that many, uh, differences in the wild between.

• 32:14Pablo Torre?

  Although she is, she is, uh, gyrating. There's something.

• 32:18Speaker 04

  Are you saying that that's a, I've seen some male mascots gyrate.

• 32:21Pablo Torre?

  Well, just, there's, there's, there's something in there. I'm not, well, anyway, I don't wanna.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  Don't look at me.

• 32:29Speaker 04

  Turn to the woman.

• 32:30Pablo Torre?

  Ever since I found out that the kangaroo was female, I've gotten really uncomfortable with my observations about the kangaroo.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  You into the kangaroo, Papa?

• 32:39Pablo Torre?

  I'm just saying.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  I'm so happy we've talked about this. Let's talk about all the lady mascots. My favorite thing is when a school just adds lady in front of their mascot.

• 32:47Pablo Torre?

  The lady bears.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  The lady volunteers.

• 32:50Speaker 04

  The lady vol, the lady cocks, uh.

• 32:52Pablo Torre?

  Wait, is it really the lady cocks?

• 32:54Speaker 04

  No, they go by game cocks, but there's, there's merch that says lady cocks. People say lady cocks.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  That's pretty cool. I should probably buy one of those.

• 33:00Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, I was gonna say that, that sounds popular.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  I would definitely buy one.

• 33:04Speaker 04

  The really weird one for me is that Central Arkansas is the bear, the, the team names are the Bears and the Sugar Bears.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I'm gonna throw up all over again. It's gonna happen.

• 33:15Pablo Torre?

  The sugar bears.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  It's horrible. It's so bad.

• 33:19Speaker 04

  And Akron avoids all of these concerns by just being like, yeah, we're the Zips. Yeah, she's carrying babies in her pouch. She doesn't care. She loves our teams, our 1-11 football team and our extremely successful men's basketball and men's soccer teams.

• 33:33Pablo Torre?

  Which is to say that you are picking the Akron Zips to upset Arizona in the first round.

• 33:38Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Go Zips. I've been on the Goodyear blimp. I will support Akron until the day I die.

• 33:46Pablo Torre?

  Let's take your blimp south. Roger.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  I'd like to hone in on the UC San Diego Tritons. First of all, actually a good team. Like, I'm not trying to take away from Akron or, you know. They're like, top 40 on KenPom. They should not be a 12 seed. They have the guy who leads the nation in steals. They're like, 2-point underdogs against Michigan as a 12 seed. So that's the basketball talk. This is their first tournament. It's their first year of eligibility since they transferred up from Division 2. Both the men's and the women's teams made it into the tournament.

• 34:23Pablo Torre?

  They were D2 last season?

• 34:25Speaker 04

  They were D2 four seasons ago. And when you transfer up from Division 2 to Division 1, you have to take four years off. And they were not allowed to play in the NCAA tournament. This year, they are. They were incredible. And they are the Tritons. The reason they're named that is because UC San Diego, it's a pretty good school. They're host to the Scripps Institute of Oceanography, Oceanographic Institute, that has like, made a ton of like, climate change discoveries. They wanted to honor that. And also, it's San Diego. It's on the beach. They have water and stuff. So they're the Tritons. Their mascot is King Triton. He's the god of the seas.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  He's a guy wearing a, you know, I don't know why Poseidon and Triton are pictured wearing like the same things that Greek people on land did, because like you'd think the robes, like the togas, would be not very useful underwater.

• 35:16Pablo Torre?

  Well, all I got in my mind is, you know, the Little Mermaid.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  The mascot looks the same, like their costume mascot looks almost identical to the Little Mermaid version of Triton, a five-crown cap, and he's holding a trident, which in The Little Mermaid, like shoots out like fire and destroys stuff.

• 35:34Pablo Torre?

  Right.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  But the mascot unclear whether or not he can do that.

• 35:38Pablo Torre?

  I just applaud them for avoiding a lawsuit despite the similarities to this.

• 35:42Speaker 06

  Ariel, how many times must we go through this? You could have been seen by one of those barbarians, by one of those humans.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Daddy, they're not barbarians.

• 35:53Speaker 06

  They're dangerous. Do you think I want to see my youngest daughter snared by some fish eater's hook?

• 35:58Speaker 03

  I'm 16 years old. I'm not a child.

• 36:01Speaker 06

  Don't you take that tone of voice with me, young lady. As long as you live under my ocean, you'll obey my rules.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  But if you would just listen.

• 36:08Speaker 06

  Not another word. And I am never, never to hear of you going to the surface again. Is that clear?

• 36:15Pablo Torre?

  I cannot possibly interpret that clip as anything other than an allegory for Lucy talking to her dad at a North Carolina-Iowa basketball game.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  I did not know she was 16 years old in that movie.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, I'm on his side, like he was a little bit over the top, but like, first of all, humans are bad is like a pretty solid take.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's got it.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  And like his 16-year-old daughter is gonna go marry some, like the only human being she's ever seen before. Like she's 16 and she's gonna cut off her tail and have legs, like.

• 36:47Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, little, little.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  And he's like.

• 36:49Pablo Torre?

  Prince Eric is.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's selfish. He's overrated, he's selfish.

• 36:53Pablo Torre?

  A little desperate on Ariel's part.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  And he's very reasonably like, chill out, don't like go to the surface where you can't breathe. Can she breathe?

• 37:02Pablo Torre?

  Before we get to that, Prince Eric, also, I'm filing a retroactive lawsuit against you.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, what's the age gap there?

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Age gap has gotta be huge. Also, we're like ignoring the fact that like he can't talk to her. He doesn't even know what she's like, because she trades her voice.

• 37:17Pablo Torre?

  That feels like the most realistic part of the male-female dynamic depicted.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's like, oh, I love it.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  That is the most, there are some problematic relationships in Disney movies, but Prince likely of adult age with 16-year-old non-talking mermaid.

• 37:35Speaker 04

  That's really bad.

• 37:36Pablo Torre?

  I don't know what Atlantis's age of consent is, but we are picking UC San Diego to upset Michigan.

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• 41:11Pablo Torre?

  The Midwest.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  Do you feel like they did a good job with the four regions of our country being east, south, west and Midwest?

• 41:22Speaker 04

  Like, we never talk about like the north, but I think that's what they trying to go. Anyway, I think I'm thinking too much about the regions.

• 41:28Pablo Torre?

  I would like to see a north versus south side of the bracket now that you mention it.

• 41:35Pablo Torre?

  I'd like to relitigate that in every possible facet of American life, including this tournament.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  My favorite player in the NCAA tournament is in this bracket. He is not likely to win, nor is he likely to be successful at the thing which drew me to him. I'm talking about Wofford's Tyler Philowich center. Led the conference in rebounding and field goal percentage, last place in the conference in free throw percentage.

• 42:02Pablo Torre?

  How bad are we talking?

• 42:03Speaker 04

  28 at the time. He decided to switch from overhand regular free throws, at which he was shooting 28% to underhanded.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Commonly referred to as granny style free throws. Although I'm not sure how that name, I've never seen any grandmothers play.

• 42:22Pablo Torre?

  It's a reasonable inquiry. Has any granny actually shot granny's style as we watch? Yeah.

• 42:29Pablo Torre?

  So this dude is, is large, I should say.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  He's a big boy. He's a center. He's, he dominates in the paint. Um, so this, this is like, I, he was shooting 28%. Someone on his coaching staff had a connection with Rick Barry, the NBA Hall of Famer.

• 42:42Pablo Torre?

  The patron saint of granny's style.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Who's, who's sons, uh, some of his sons shot underhanded. He shot like 90% for his career. He flew to South Carolina to, to teach our guy Kyler here. How to shoot underhanded free throws. He switched in February and it's the last season of his career. He's a fifth year senior. This is his time to shine. It's now or never. He switches to underhanded free throws. The ending of the story that you've written in your head.

• 43:09Pablo Torre?

  An inspirational tale of a mentor and a mentee.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  And the, the story that you probably cooked up in your head is that he switched and he's good at it.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  He's not. He still sucks at shooting free throws. He's shooting 35% from the line since he switched to underhand.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  That's an improvement.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  It's an improvement. In the SoCon tournament, uh, in the first two games, he shot one for five and then one for five again. He's really just kinda hucking it off the backboard there. It's not, it, it's, it's, it's so inspiring to watch him go out there. Having like dedicated so much effort to this thing. That can change this last moment of his career. And

• 43:52Speaker 04

  everyone is yelling at him from the stands, calling him names, telling him he shouldn't be doing this. And he's still bad at it and he still persists. And he made it to the NCAA tournament and this is what this moment is all about. These, these teams from all across the country, which are trying weird things. And some of them aren't even that good at them. And they have this one day.

• 44:14Speaker 04

  To beat a better team and sometimes that weird thing they do works and we remember them forever and sometimes it doesn't and we just move on. It's it's just you don't see this in in any other league where you see the Giants and these people trying to figure out how to play basketball for the first time.

• 44:33Pablo Torre?

  I think this is, I mean, if there's any ambiguity around how different college basketball is from the NBA, just know that there is a center who is shooting 28% who hired a personal consultant who clearly was dying to be asked to do this.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  Yes, he flew for California.

• 44:54Pablo Torre?

  No one calls Rick Barry to do the thing that Rick Barry has been waiting for someone to ask him to do.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  You're right, the NBA, everyone is has figured out how to play basketball.

• 45:05Pablo Torre?

  We've optimized, we've optimized everything.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  The teams, the shooting forms, the the teams have the same stuff. I'm not saying it's bad, they're very good at basketball, they're extremely good at it, the product is probably generally more entertaining, I'm fine saying that even as a college basketball fan. The thing that's great about college basketball is you have these 360 teams, some of them are playing like 1-3-1 zones and sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't, some of them have guys who do not know how to shoot free throws and and then you throw them all in this one tournament and you see what happens and sometimes the weird stuff works, sometimes the better team wins and and this is this is this is what March is all about and I'm a little bit emotional for a boy caller. If he goes out there and he shoots two for four in a in a in a surprise victory, I'm

• 45:51Speaker 04

  gonna cry, I'm gonna sit in my house and I'm gonna cry because of how beautiful it is.

• 45:54Pablo Torre?

  Wofford over Tennessee is the pick.

• 45:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, we've got a couple 15 over twos here, but cosmologically, it has been decreed.

• 46:02Pablo Torre?

  Lucy, you guys have been simpatico for most of this taping.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Because we're childhood friends.

• 46:07Pablo Torre?

  But you have a take, Lucy, that I want Roger to hear, so.

• 46:14Pablo Torre?

  Proceed.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  So Roger and I have obviously both spent a lot of time at sporting events, especially college football, which is such a fun atmosphere. It's very lively. The fans are super into it. I think it's one of the best atmospheres in sports. March Madness is such a great postseason event. It's the best postseason in sports.

• 46:34Pablo Torre?

  I agree.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  It is not a good event to go to as a fan.

• 46:39Pablo Torre?

  I agree.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Except for the women. The women is great because you have home rounds. Going to a men's tournament is not fun. It's not enjoyable. Like it's a sport meant to be watched on your couch. So I think that like, if I was in charge, which I'm not, haven't been asked.

• 46:56Pablo Torre?

  Yet.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  I'm not even in the rumor mill for potentially being in charge.

• 47:01Pablo Torre?

  We'll get this aggregated.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  NCAA president Lucy campaign.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Look, no one's really in charge of that thing anyways. So like I could easily do it.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  So put Lucy in charge.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. But my experience for this that I really think was so fun was I got to go to the March Madness tournament when it was the COVID year and it was entirely in Indianapolis. And so they only had crowds at like 20, 25%, which like obviously changed the vibe.

• 47:25Pablo Torre?

  That sounds like it sucked.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  It was so fun as a fan because the ability to have all of the games taking place within like a 45 mile radius. So when you're going to these games, like I don't mean to be rude. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I don't think people are going to Greensboro to hang out in Greensboro. Like I just don't think that's happening. And so ideally if we could like lessen the number of stops of locations, I think it could be so cool to like consume all the college basketball that you can. Like we got to go to some like tiny venue in the Indiana State Fairgrounds and then to Lucas Oil to watch a game and then to the Fieldhouse to watch a game and then to Butler to watch a game.

• 48:06Speaker 04

  They had games at IU.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  At Assembly Hall.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  It was like one of the most fun like going to experiences in my life because you really got to consume so much college basketball in a way that like. Everyone was there to support their team, but I don't think anyone had ever consumed so much basketball in person, despite the fact that there was, you know, 20% admissions because of COVID. It was just such a cool system and I wish that they could find a way to translate that. Cause the women, they kind of have it down. You know, you have the, the host sites for the first round. Like, we were lucky enough to go to Iowa last year and that was the loudest venue I've ever been to.

• 48:41Pablo Torre?

  Right, right.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  So you have that like, fan engagement where I just don't think the fan engagement works the same for March Madness. Cause like, you don't, you don't have the ability to travel to a lot of cool places a lot of the time. You're finding out late. Like, I wish it was just like, in more condensed areas. I wish there were more games happening at different venues in the city, because it was such a cool thing to experience.

• 49:01Pablo Torre?

  Now, you say that, but we're looking at this photograph, and this...

• 49:05Speaker 02

  Oh, we lost that game.

• 49:06Pablo Torre?

  I mean, just to give the visual on this, Lucy, who looks to be 15 and a half, is wearing an Iowa number one jersey.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were number one.

• 49:15Pablo Torre?

  Right next to you though, well, to your right is a guy who's not nearly into this, to anywhere close to the degree that you are. But to your left is, who is that?

• 49:25Speaker 02

  That's Hawkeye Elvis. He's a really nice guy. Him and my dad are kind of in the Elvis community together.

• 49:31Pablo Torre?

  What, what, what does that mean?

• 49:33Speaker 02

  So Hawkeye Elvis is like a famous Iowa fan within like Iowa circles, and he just shows up to every game like dressed in these like, super awesome Elvis like custom Iowa jumpsuits and it's become like his persona. And he has a bunch of them.

• 49:46Pablo Torre?

  High production values on the costume.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  They're so nice.

• 49:50Pablo Torre?

  Does he like Elvis?

• 49:51Speaker 02

  I, I would, I assume so.

• 49:54Pablo Torre?

  What a job though if he didn't.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it wouldn't be fun if he didn't.

• 49:58Pablo Torre?

  What a life to lead.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  It's just a whole personality, like...

• 50:00Pablo Torre?

  Just trapped in a prison of my own devising.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  He's like, when he goes to an Iowa game, like, everybody wants to chat with him. Because like, your dress is Elvis. Like, there are so many photos of me with him throughout my Iowa fandom, because like, you see him, I'm like, "Go get a picture with Hawkeye Elvis, come on, you gotta go do it."

• 50:16Speaker 04

  What did you mean by him and my dad are in the Elvis community?

• 50:19Speaker 02

  I'm glad you asked.

• 50:20Pablo Torre?

  Good follow up.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  I am so... Let's hope my dad doesn't listen to this. He does not want his business out there, but I'm sharing it. Um, so Iowa has this race that they do in the state every summer. My dad hasn't done it for a very long time, but it's called RagBri. It stands for the Register's Annual Guide Bike Ride Across the State of Iowa. So basically, a bunch of people will bike across the state of Iowa over a week. And it's actually like kind of a big fun drinking event, like it's a big party. And my dad and his buddies, they used to do it every year, dress as Elvis. And they called themselves the Riding Elvi. So the first time we met, Hawkeye Elvis, my dad was like, "Hey Hawkeye Elvis, I'm RagBri Elvis. Nice to meet you." And it was the weirdest interaction of my life.

• 50:59Pablo Torre?

  That does feel like when the mascots of two different schools, who are also the same mascot but slightly different, do encounter each other.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a weird thing. And you were just like, "Okay, well, I'm glad you have your hobbies."

• 51:23Pablo Torre?

  At the end of every episode of Palatory Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, we go around the room and we say what we found out today. Roger, would you like to lead us off?

• 51:33Speaker 04

  I found out that there's someone in North Carolina that belongs in jail.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably a lot of them, actually. My town's kind of weird. What did I find out today? I found out that there's a mascot called the Sugar Bear and that feminism has gone back like 75 years.

• 51:49Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I found out that your friendship, Roger and Lucy, can survive anything.

• 51:59Pablo Torre?

  Even possibly a, uh... A matcha waterfall of Lucy's vomit.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Still drink matcha every day, though.

• 52:09Speaker 04

  Some people, when they throw up from something, they never have it again.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  I love matcha. Good luck. Swimming fire has taken that away from me. You took my dignity, but not my matcha.

• 52:20Pablo Torre?

  I also found out that the actual North Carolina Ram has enormous balls.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Huge. Did you look it up? It's probably not safe to do on a work computer, but...

• 52:30Pablo Torre?

  This computer has seen a lot worse.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  And you know what? The name of the stadium where we saw Ramsey's balls, and there was a Panther ball testicle situation, the name of the stadium, it's Bofa. It's Bank of America.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  We saw the testies at Bofa and lived.

• 52:52Pablo Torre?

  I mean, I just want to thank Bofa, you guys, for joining me.

• 53:05Pablo Torre?

  This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production.

• 53:11Pablo Torre?

  And I'll talk to you next time.

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