CASEY LOFTHOUSE | Creating Impact Over Income

Most men are chasing a dent in the world, followers, recognition, a bigger stage, while overlooking the one place they can make the biggest difference: the town they live in and the people right next to them. Today's conversation is about impact over income, why being known by ten thousand people in your own community beats being famous online, and why we're robbing our kids by shielding them from the consequences of their bad choices. We also get into giving yourself permission to try new things without committing to them forever, managing risk without letting fear run your life, and knowing when to say no so service doesn't burn you out. My guest, Casey Lofthouse https://www.instagram.com/caseysoffroadrecovery/, is a mechanic, tow operator, former search and rescue volunteer, mule packer, country line-dancer, and one of the most capable and generous men I know. He's also someone I'd call first if I were in a pickle. If you've ever felt like you don't matter because you're not "making your mark," this conversation will change how you see your own value. Whether you're broke down, stuck in the sand, or just having a bad day, it's all part of the adventure. What matters is who shows up. SHOW HIGHLIGHTS 00:00 - From Making Money to Making an Impact 04:43 - The Power of Small-Town Accountability 09:09 - Teaching Kids Personal Responsibility 11:19 - Why Authenticity Matters 13:29 - The Importance of Personal Accountability 15:19 - Raising Kids to Be Responsible Adults 19:12 - Learning From the Consequences of Your Choices 25:29 - The Masculine Side of Art, Music, and Dance 29:21 - Give Yourself Permission to Try New Things 34:52 - Understanding Risk and Knowing Your Limits 40:58 - How Community Creates Lifelong Relationships 45:06 - The Impact of Serving Others 49:06 - Being There When People Need You 53:03 - Setting an Example When People Are Watching 56:59 - Living Authentically in a Social Media World 58:32 - The Unexpected Connections That Come From Helping People 01:00:54 - Why Serving Others Is So Rewarding 01:02:50 - Knowing When to Say No 01:05:07 - Knowing When It's Time to Move On 01:06:55 - Raising Kids Who Surpass You 01:08:00 - What's Next for Casey? 01:10:23 - Becoming the Best Version of Yourself 01:12:19 - Casey's Off-Road Recovery and Life in the Community Battle Planners: Pick yours up today! https://store.orderofman.com/products/order-of-man-annual-battle-planner Order Ryan's new book, The Masculinity Manifesto https://www.amazon.com/Masculinity-Manifesto-Establishes-Influence-Credibility/dp/1684513316/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1665048672&sr=8-1. For more information on the Iron Council brotherhood https://orderofman.link/iron-council. Want maximum health, wealth, relationships, and abundance in your life? Sign up for our free course, 30 Days to Battle Ready https://orderofman.link/battle-ready-0

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Most men are chasing a dent in the world. It's followers, recognition, bigger stage, while overlooking the one place they can actually make the biggest difference. And that's the town they live in and the people right next to them. Today's conversation is about making an impact over income. Why being known by 10,000 people in your own community beats being famous online? And why we're robbing our kids by shielding them from the consequences of their bad choices. But we also get into giving yourself permission to try new things without committing to them forever. Managing risk without letting fear run your life and knowing when to say no. So the service that you do doesn't burn you out.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  My guest today, Casey Loft House, is a mechanic, tow operator, former search and rescue volunteer, mule packer, country line dancer, and one of the most capable and generous men that I know. He's also someone I'd call first personally if I was in a, in a rough spot. If you've ever felt like you don't matter because you're not quote unquote, making your mark. This conversation might change how you see your own value. Whether you're broke down, stuck in the sand, or frankly, just having a bad day. It's all kind of part of the adventure. What matters is who shows up and how.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, or strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

• 1:47Speaker 00

  Men, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. If you're new here, I am Ryan Mickler, your host and the founder. We're doing things different. Just had a big product redesign. I said product, but a podcast redesign. The studio is brand new and it looks incredible. We're still working on some camera angles and increasing the quality of the visuals, but the studio is like 95% there. So make sure you check this video out, this podcast out on YouTube at youtube.com/OrderOfMan, because I think you're going to like what you see. I hope you do anyways. I've got a really, really good one lined up for our first in-person podcast in this new studio. Keith Yakke joined me, but that was a shell of what it became.

• 2:32Speaker 00

  So make sure you check this one out. It's with my good friend. His name is Casey Loft House. We'll get into that in just a minute. And also, speaking of good friends and capable, I think every man ought to have himself a good, high-quality knife. I think Casey would agree, although we didn't talk about that necessarily on the podcast. He would probably agree based on what I know about him. And if you're looking for a good quality knife to help you get the job done, whether it's cutting a zip tie, picking your teeth, breaking down an animal out in the field, cutting meat for your family as you cook and prep dinner, protecting yourself, defending yourself. I mean, you name it. There's, there's a thousand different uses for a good, high-quality knife.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  And I would look no further than my friends over at MontanaKnifeCompany.com. Make sure you guys check it out and use the code ORDEROFMAN. Hunts are coming up. You're always cooking. And you know, being a man does, does not shut off and a good man always has a good knife. Again, MontanaKnifeCompany.com, use the code ORDEROFMAN. Let me introduce you to my guest. His name is Casey Loft House. He's, he's spent most of his life just being the guy that people call when things go sideways. He runs an organization called, called Winterton Automotive Towing. Also Casey's Auto Repair in my hometown, Hurricane, Utah.

• 3:53Speaker 00

  And he has documented his backcountry rescues and towing people out of weird predicaments and situations on his YouTube channel over at Casey's Off-Road Recovery since 2007. So almost 20 years now. He spent years with Washington County Search and Rescue and has been involved in Utah's off-road and land use community for decades. And that includes helping launch one of the largest state off-road events in 2003. But he, this guy packs mules into the backcountry and hauls out hunters and big game and people in predicaments they don't want to be in. He pulls authentic wagons with his beloved mules in commemorative treks.

• 4:38Speaker 00

  He's a Renaissance man. He does it all. But he grew up as one of 13 kids and learned hard work and community service from his dad and from the men that he worked for as a teenager when he was a kid doing, doing welding. He's a classic country vocal performer, a country line dancing instructor, a longtime commercial beekeeper. He's also an honorary lifetime member of the Dixie Amateur Radio Club for his work building repeater systems in Southern Utah. They're still using decades later. I think you guys are really going to enjoy this one.

• 5:16Speaker 00

  I think you're going to hear from a guy who is a lot like us and a lot better than me anyway, in a lot of ways. Enjoy this one, guys. Casey, what is up, man? I bet you didn't know you were going to help me set up this podcast studio today.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  I'm always up for an adventure.

• 5:36Speaker 00

  You said it's better than your real, your real work.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, having to fix cars or tow cars. It's a little bit better project than that.

• 5:44Speaker 00

  But you're not doing that much anymore, right? Like you got a team that's doing it.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I have a great group of guys that work down at the shop. Good, good cover on the tow trucks when I need a day off. And other than that, you can always say no.

• 5:57Speaker 00

  That's true. Do you say no? I don't imagine you're the kind of person who says no, though. I think that's the catch.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  I don't say no to people that are in need most of the time if I'm available or can have, you know, have one of the crew go. But you know, sometimes in your career, you get to the point to where you start to worry about what your impact is versus how much money you're making. So that's kind of where I'm at.

• 6:22Speaker 00

  What's your, what kind of impact do you want to, do you want to have? Like you're starting to look at more like legacy, right? Then.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Well, just how you can impact people's lives over what you can charge them. I mean, you have a single mother that's in need and she needs a tow and she's having a hard time already. And then you find out it's her birthday. So you can be impactful in little ways like that over being motivated by the money that you might get.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  So, okay, so hear me out on this. It's, I'm not going to say it's easy to say that, but I will say it's easier to say that as I'm 45 years old. Finances are a lot better today than they were 20 years ago. So how do you manage that, that idea with, I gotta put food on the table though?

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Well, your family is your priority, of course. But as you said, when you become more comfortable in life and your career and your finances, then you're able to, you know, help people that are in need or help people that need to leg up or just a hello. Like it's just kind of one of the things is I've noticed in my life, it changes like kind of what your priorities are. In your younger days, you was always hustling to make money because you had to survive. And now you get to a point in life to where you're more comfortable and you can help people that are kind of struggling, leave a bigger tip, you know, that kind of stuff.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you feel like you've always been like that? Like, how is that? Cause I've told people, and you may not know this, but I've told people when I talk about you, it's all bad stuff, but no, when I, when I talk about you, because we've been friends for a long time, but when I talk about you, you know, I, I often describe you as somebody who's extremely capable, who's extremely caring, shirt off, shirt off your back kind of guy. You know, if I was in a pickle, I'd probably call you. Don't, you're like, don't call me. But no, if I was, I, you'd be one of the top people I'd call because I know like, okay, Casey's, he's going to help me number one, he's going to want to help me number one, and he's going to be capable of helping me number two.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  Well, and I think it's, it's interesting you say that because I mean, as an early age, my dad always taught me to be a hustler. He's like, you know, you'd say something like, this sucks. And he's like, no, it doesn't suck. Just knuckle down, buckle down and just do it, do it, do it. And so he would, he would always instill like the value of hard work. But then is along with that, you know, was like being able to serve, serve people in your community, help the elderly, you know, all of those things that kind of got instilled with me at a younger age and not, not just my dad, but other people, you know, growing up that set examples for me at a young age, even as a young teenager, just, I went to work for MacArthur Welding in St. George as a young man.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  And Sam and Dan and Joe and Eldon and those, those guys were like pillars of the community, you know? And Dan was the mayor for a lot of years and they were just great examples of what it meant to, you know, be a community oriented and be kind of, you know, somebody in the community that the community can count on. And so those guys really set me up for success at a, at a young age, just by their example.

• 9:35Speaker 00

  Hmm, yeah. Yeah, I think it's good. It's hard because I think now what people are, young, young people met, young boys and young girls are looking at as far as examples go or like, I don't know, some, some pop star or some, you know, athlete that they see on TV or some TikTok influencer. And it seems like we've moved away from, and part of that, I think too, like I love small towns. We live in a fairly small community. It's growing, but.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's growing for sure.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  We live in a fairly small community and I think there's just something to be said about a town where people know each other and they know your parents and your wife and your kids and your friends. And so like, there's some accountability in that, that I think goes away when you have a bigger town.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think that was the thing, growing up in a small town is like, if you're, if you're going to get in trouble or you're going to be out raising hell, your, your parents are going to know about it. You know, and I, I really kind of do miss the days where there was a personal accountability where the police officer would just say, you know, do you want, do you want to take you, do you want me to call your dad? Which funny, it's funny that I mentioned that because Lincoln, my boy Lincoln, he's 18, he runs around with your boy Brecken and they.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  He got pulled over and the officer said, well, either we can write you a ticket or we can call your dad.

• 10:56Speaker 00

  What did he say? What did he say? Did he say, write me a ticket?

• 10:58Speaker 02

  He said, well, you're gonna have to write me a ticket. My dad's out of state, out of town, out of service. Like, you can't call my dad right now. Anyways, it's just good in a community, um, you know, to still have that small town feel. Um, we have a wonderful police department here that it, it takes a village to raise kids and, you know, the school teachers that set the example and the principals and all of that, the coaches. And so it's been kind of a trip raising kids and Lincoln's my youngest, 18 now and, um, it's just kinda neat to see. I mean, I guess you could say I've got some of the benefits of the good old boy.

• 11:34Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Just because I know all the officers from working on their cars and trucks and just being involved in fundraisers and so, you know, part of what I said earlier about being in the community and part of the community is that, is that you have benefits down the road, uh, because you've been a good person. Um, or you've been part of those groups and those community, uh, initiatives to, you know, raise money or whatever somebody's in need. And so you kinda get that paid back in time over, you know, little funny things like that with one of the officers that just knew, knew me, knew my kid and says, hey, you got, you know, a couple of choices here.

• 12:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's fun. So I grew up in Parowan and it kinda reminded me. So I had this story when I was a kid where we, we had this little gang. And, uh, my, my version of a gang is we went out on Friday or Saturday night and toilet papered the

• 12:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:24Speaker 00

  house or whatever, or set firecrackers off in the pot at 2:00 AM.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  You know, but we went, we, there was four or five of us and we went to this house and it was, it was a girl, you know, a girl our age, it was a cute girl our age. And so we toilet papered her house, but we had this brilliant idea that we'd bring a bunch of shaving cream with us.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Oh, boy.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  So we brought shaving cream and we wrote, cause we, our gang was called TPB.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  Toilet Paper Bandits.

• 12:51Speaker 00

  And so we wrote TPB on the side of her house, wood siding house. And we got to, that was like a Friday or Saturday night. We get to school on Monday. And the principal called the five of us in or whatever it was. And he's like, hey, uh, brother Johnson. He was the UPS driver.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:13Speaker 00

  Like, hey, he came by and asked me to give you these letters. So we each got a letter and it said, so you were like 16, 17 years old and the letter said, dear TPB member. Thank you so much for graciously volunteering to come paint my house this weekend. I'll expect you at 7:00 AM. Paint will be here. Show up ready to work.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Busted.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  And so we all went and it was Mr. Johnson, like I said, he was the UPS driver in town.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  That's funny.

• 13:44Speaker 00

  And he, he had the paint ready and we painted his house. Um, but he was cool about it, you know, like he wasn't a dick. He was like, hey, like you guys messed up. Here's your accountability. But he was there, he was out hanging out with us. His wife came out and brought lemonade and sandwiches for lunch.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 14:04Speaker 00

  And it was, it was cool. It was a good experience for us because there was a level of accountability.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:09Speaker 00

  Without just trying to wreck a kid's life because he did some dumb thing when he was 16 years old.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  And I think that's important for parents to remember to be, be adults instead of juveniles when your kid's in trouble and you're like, you don't necessarily wanna see your kid in trouble or admit that maybe he made a mistake, but at the same time, if you can communicate with the other parents and the staff and say, hey, what can we do to, you know, change his mind or change his behavior, like, you make him uncomfortable a little bit. They're more, more likely to not repeat the same behavior. And so instead of being a big baby about when your kid gets in trouble, just like, you know, they're coming to pick you up and you're going with them today.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  You're gonna work. And so that's, I think that's an important thing with.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  Well, I think there's also this thing now where it's like, my dog's here. This is new. Like anybody who's listening, you're, you're catching a very raw version of the leveling up of the podcast.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:07Speaker 00

  So you spent an hour and a half or something with me, like trying to set up cameras. My dog's right here hanging out, like camera angles are weird, but we're getting it figured out.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Well, um, you know, that's a, that's a good lesson is, you know, we can, we can talk about what's going on behind the scenes. We can talk about, you know, all the other nonsense that goes on life, in life, but, um, I think the one note you can take away from that is just be your true authentic self.

• 15:35Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 15:36Speaker 02

  Um, sometimes when you're, you're building a program or building, I mean, I did that YouTube channel for a while and

• 15:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  I, I decided early on, I was like, I'm just gonna be myself. And I think if you can be yourself, um, on camera, in person, in the community, like, it's just more authentic. It's more real. It's just, uh, just, you get what you get.

• 16:01Speaker 00

  I think people relate with it more, you know, I, I honestly believe like we're just, we're kinda tired collectively of AI is great. Like we used, we used AI as we're set. I'm like, what, how do I fix this camera? And it pulled right up. It's like, oh, you can't. That's what it said. That's what it told me. You can't, you can't. I'm like, okay. And then it gave me a product recommendation of something to buy instead.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, perfect.

• 16:21Speaker 00

  Um, but I think you're right. Like I, I think we're so burnt out on AI. I think we're frustrated with fakeness and I just think there's something, something powerful for a lot of people of just being real. And like you said, being authentic and I was gonna say earlier before my dog interrupted us and he's, if, if you're on YouTube, like he's chilling right here by me right now. Which is actually kinda cool. Like I didn't even think, but maybe the dog has just become a staple of the podcast.

• 16:52Speaker 00

  Um, no, but what I was gonna say earlier is, uh, you know, you have, you have these situations now where a kid goes to school and he mouths off to a teacher, or even worse, he hits a teacher, which is increasingly common. And he gets in trouble at school and the mom calls up and it's usually a mom, like it's a single mom typically. She calls up and she's like, I can't believe you did this. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. And like when I was a kid, if I said, oh, I got in trouble, Mrs. Smith, you know, yelled at me or whatever. She, my mom was like, well, what'd you do?

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 17:27Speaker 00

  Not like, what did Ms. Smith do? She's like, what did you do to deserve to be yelled at?

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:32Speaker 00

  And it's different now. Like, it's not.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  There, we're just missing a whole lot of personal accountability in it. I mean, it, it goes for, I mean, adults through kids. I mean,

• 17:42Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  grown men that can't take accountability for their behavior. Um, just, you know, lacking integrity, all of those types of things. I think that we need to take a step back and, you know, start all being better at self. I mean, you hate to take your licking, but sometimes when it's coming, you just have to say, you know, I made a mistake. I mean, men never like to say sorry. No, nobody likes to say sorry and admit they were wrong, but I think that, um, sometimes if you can step back and, you know, recognize that I'm, I'm not perfect by no stretch of the imagination. I make mistakes every day. But if you can, uh, take personal accountability, if you've offended somebody, if you've done somebody wrong in business.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Um, you know, whatever, whatever it is, is go have that conversation and settle the score. You'll feel a lot better about things. Um,

• 18:33Speaker 02

  just, just being humble, you know, not being so arrogant that you can't admit your faults and see that you hurt somebody or whatever. I think that, um, I mean, you wanna talk about criminal, criminal accountability when you're speeding or, or whatever that, you know, that's just this plays right into it. If you think about what the repercussions are for a speeding ticket, you know, they can be expensive, 300 something bucks.

• 18:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  And then, uh, so, you know, being, being more thoughtful in your daily act, actions and activities to where you don't have those repercussions. And it applies to kids, I think. Um, you know, kids are lacking accountability and I think it starts at your parents. You know, your, your teacher shouldn't have to teach your kids how to behave in public. You know, that should already be instilled in them before they ever.

• 19:20Speaker 00

  But I think what happens is we become so accustomed to, for example, the public school system where I I just think for the most part, it's just looked at free daycare, right? Like mom and dad go to work more increasingly so mom than than dad. And it's like, cool, let's dump our kids off, they'll be gone and out of hair our hair for eight hours.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 00

  You know, my ex and you know, my ex, um, and you know, my family really well. Like we we had the luxury of her being able to homeschool the kids still even after the divorce. But a lot of people are not in that situation where, you know, it's like we we have to go to work. But then they also look at it as dump a as free daycare and dumping their kids off.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:04Speaker 00

  But the thing that I struggle with more than anything with that scenario is when you get home, it's not like those people are talking to their kids about what did you learn? What did you go through?

• 20:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Come help me. You know, I don't know with with your your son, your youngest. I don't know if he ever came and helped you at the shop or swept floors or dumped trash. I mean, my kids helped me with store order, a little different work, but store orders. When I was a kid, my first stepdad, he was a cabinet maker. And my job was to go out there and get that push broom when I was a kid and sweep that shop up after work.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Well, it's just teaching them a little bit of responsibility. I mean, that's why I've, um, you know, the kids that have like a chore list, they have, um, like if you have animals, like we have animals, livestock, pigs, whatever, chickens. You know, you try to get them involved in like the day to day, even just as something, it's your responsibility to feed the dog and cats, you know, it's just give them, give them that chore and have expectations that they'll complete it. And I think as as a young kid, as a toddler, they learn those routines and those responsibilities. And then when it's something bigger, you know, we all have responsibilities as adults. And so if your kids learn that responsibility as adult, um, they get their first job and they know they're expected to be there from eight to five.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  And they get a lunch and they they can't just take two weeks off the first two weeks they're working, you know?

• 21:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  So those types of things and it's a transition, obviously, when you're getting out of high school and stuff. But it's it's interesting to watch the young men and women that, you know, grew up with my kids that are kind of transitioning into adulthood. Some of them have kids, some of them don't, you know, but man, the day you have kids there, your whole world changes.

• 21:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, it does.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  And, um, it's like make or break you. You just kind of like you're you you're responsible for these new little human beings. And, you know, you don't believe it when they're toddlers and you've spent the last six months up awake all night crying babies. But the time goes by so fast.

• 22:08Speaker 00

  Oh, it does.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Um, but those little lessons that they learn responsibilities and like you say, communicate, hey, what did you do today? You know, we can all be better at that. Even even Lincoln now, I just say, hey, how was work? And fine, you know, you may not get a lot out of it, but you you show some genuine interest in what they're up to. Um, and, you know, overall, everything else is lead by example, you know, try to do your best to be a good parent. And, um, cause they're they're like a parrot, you know, they're going to learn from your behavior.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  They they definitely will, you know, you you're a product of your parents.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 22:51Speaker 02

  So, and, you know, even more than your parents is like the other people I mentioned earlier, the people in your life that are that set the example for your like, you're a product of your environment.

• 23:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  Um, I learned that early on when I was a young man, I had a a group of guys I was working with, I got in trouble, like literally two months after my 18th birthday. And I went in front of the judge and the judge says, well, you're going to learn right now that hanging out with the wrong kind of people is going to make or break who you are in life.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  So you go down to the county jail on Friday night and you get to stay in there until Sunday night and I'll make sure you make it to work Monday morning.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  And that was all it took. It was one weekend in the county jail as an 18 year old for me to say, I'm not, I'm not going there. I'm not crying. And there there probably is lines that you you know, you have to decide if you want to face the repercussions in life. But, you know, there's that fixed me for for so far, so good. I'm on 47, 48, whatever.

• 23:55Speaker 00

  Without without being back in the

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm back in the clink for the the weekend stint with the judge trying to tell me, you know, shake his finger.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  What did you do?

• 24:05Speaker 02

  I was with a bunch of kids. Um, we went down to the movie store. I rented my movies. I had an accountant.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  Blockbuster or whatever. Yeah.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  I lived right down there and two of the kids I was with stole two movies.

• 24:16Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Well, of course I was driving, didn't have a driver's license, so the kids, they wanted to run and I said, go ahead, I'll tell them who you are. Just you just will stay here. The clerk comes out and I just put the truck in park and faced the consequences.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  And I got my button ringer over it because like the judge says, you were here, you were driving.

• 24:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  You shouldn't have been driving. And, you know, the the officers were great and they said, you know, we understand the situation and they they give me the old what for. And I was like, I'm done with this. Like I'm I'm not going to get in trouble ever again.

• 24:49Speaker 00

  That's funny.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  So it's one of those things in life that's kind of, uh, I'm not ashamed of it. It's one of the things, you know,

• 24:55Speaker 00

  Part of life.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Part of life and the hell that I had raising, you know, growing up in a wild household. But, uh, yeah, it was it was a good example for me to, for the judge to just say, that's it. Never don't get in trouble anymore.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  I mean, good for him because it seems like anymore judges are overly lenient.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:17Speaker 00

  Like I remember, so I don't think I've ever, I might have ever shared this publicly, but

• 25:23Speaker 02

  Uh oh.

• 25:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. So here we go. You got me.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  This is a tell all today.

• 25:28Speaker 00

  When I was a kid, I was probably, I don't know, 19, 20 years old. Uh, we went over to a house party and I was definitely underage drinking for sure. And, uh, we saw the lights outside and the cops came and knocked on the door and some idiot actually opened the door without a warrant for the cops. I'm like, you don't have to open the door if the cops come calling, by the way. Unless they have a warrant or they break in, like you're not obligated to open the door, but some idiot did. And, um, me and a buddy of mine, we ran into the garage and I've hid in a closet, like not a great hiding spot. There's like a little storage closet in the garage.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  So the cops come in and they're like, hey, we know you're in there. And and I'm like, I'm not, I didn't say anything. I'm like, I'm not coming out. Like, we know you're it. Like, we know you're in there. Like, you literally know where to go.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  It's not their first day.

• 26:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. And, um, so I'm like, well, like, I mean, they know I'm in here. And then one of them said, we're going to get the dog, we're going to go get the canine and that's going to, that's going to be worse than it needs to be.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Root you out.

• 26:35Speaker 00

  And I was like, all right. So I opened the door and come out and there was a little bag of of weed in the garage. And it was it was not mine. I know everybody says that, but like truly like I didn't, I'm not, I never was a I never really like smoked weed.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:50Speaker 00

  Like I drank, don't get me wrong, I drank.

• 26:54Speaker 00

  So, um, yeah, the cop just pinning on me. He's like, that's possession of marijuana. I'm like, what are you talking about?

• 27:00Speaker 02

  You were wrong place, wrong time.

• 27:02Speaker 00

  Exactly. Um, and so, you know, I didn't get arrested. Hey, come on, go. Go, go lay down. No, right there. Lay down. Lay down. Good boy. Again, this is pretty raw today, so.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  It's perfect.

• 27:18Speaker 00

  My dog's just chilling, but I didn't get arrested. They gave me a ticket for underage drinking. They gave me a ticket for a possession of marijuana charge, a small amount, like it wasn't, you know, a big amount or whatever. And I'd pay like 1,500 bucks. And I'm like, that's the last time.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  I didn't have to go to jail or anything, but I think just like having consequences, you know, you don't have to throw the book at people, but there has to be some sort of consequences, some some, you know, for young kids, just some sort of wake up call. And I feel like too many people, um,

• 27:50Speaker 00

  I I I feel like in in the name of, you know, preserving ourselves, we're robbing our children of the benefit of their consequences for bad choices.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. And like, I mean, nobody wants to see your kids

• 28:03Speaker 00

  Of course not.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  But at the same time, it's like.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  If you can keep them on the straight and narrow, then you don't have to worry about the consequence. I mean, you're, you're gonna get the speeding tickets and the, you know, car wrecks and the stuff like that. But, you know, I would prefer that my kids avoided the weekend in jail.

• 28:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  You know?

• 28:23Speaker 00

  That'd be, that'd be ideal.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  It was not the best experience that I've ever had. And, uh, and then the dumber thing was, there was people in there for dumber reasons than I was there, like, um, unpaid parking tickets and all kinds of stuff. And I'm just like, oh, man, I'm a criminal. And I get in there and it's like, people are in there for just ignoring a court date. And it's just, it's, it's just stacks on top of, you know, when you get into the court system, you know, they might be lenient when they get to court, but you have to show up to court.

• 28:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  Or you're gonna end up in jail. And, you know, it was just an interesting perspective. Um, I, I may or may not have been exposed to plenty of those opportunities to drink and do drugs and all that stuff as a kid. But I watched some of the examples, the bad examples in life. And I decided early on, I was like, I'm, I'm not gonna do any of that. And so I, I was able to stay away from the drugs and alcohol and the party, party scene.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  I was not, that was, that was a challenge for me as a kid for sure. So.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Right. And I, I, I think my outlet is, um, I loved to country dance.

• 29:28Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  And it's actually where I met my wife is country dancing.

• 29:32Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 29:33Speaker 02

  In St. George.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  So then, you know, it kind of transitioned into that was kind of one of my earlier jobs is, is teaching dance.

• 29:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  And so we would teach, uh, you know, swing dance and, um, line dance and, you know, all the couples, different dances, like the cha-cha and the, the lariat waltz and just all those dances. And so that kind of kept me on the edge of, you know, I gotta be, you know, down to John's place on Wednesday night to do, teach, teach couples dances. And then I gotta do, uh, line dances Thursday and then, you know, line dance Friday and Saturday. So I have four days of the week that I was, you know, from seven 30 to midnight or one o'clock. And then of course you gotta go to Denny's.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Cheese fries.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  With ranch and.

• 30:17Speaker 00

  I did that drunk, by the way.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:19Speaker 00

  Like, we're, we're, we both went to Denny's, but we had our different vices, it sounds like.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  So it, I mean, that's kind of that, that dancing, country music dance and, um, John Carter's Dance Hall in St. George. Uh, there's lots of people that, that remember those good old days, uh.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  I think there's a new place in St. George.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  It's opening or something.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Red, red rock swing or something.

• 30:40Speaker 00

  Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  But, you know, dancing was a good outlet for me after the whole.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  It's interesting. So, okay. So this is kind of a, an interesting maybe angle to this. I mean, you know, but by all accounts, we would, we would say, oh, Casey's a man's man. Like, he's capable. He's got, you love your, you love your mules, you know, you love your, your wagons. You like, you're a mechanic. You're obviously very capable. You're search and rescue. Like, we would say, any, by any objective measure, we'd say, ah, it's a man's man. But then you have this other side, and I don't think it's another side, but I think it's not commonly looked at in the same lens, where you, you sing, you know, you dance. And so you have this artistry side to you that I think a lot of men, either we don't, either, either we, we do and we don't talk about it, or we don't

• 31:31Speaker 00

  because it's not, you know, manly or whatever. Like, it, what, that's kind of, you know, you know what I'm getting at here? I'm kind of curious about that.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  So I'll break the news to you. I have 12 siblings.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  You do?

• 31:43Speaker 02

  And of course I was stuck in the middle of five girls. So I have a feminine side.

• 31:48Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah. Fair. Yeah. It was broomed into you at an early age.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  I'm not looking.

• 31:53Speaker 00

  Were they painting your nails and doing your hair and trying to dress you up?

• 31:57Speaker 02

  I'm not looking for the best dress or anything like that. But, I mean, my sisters, they, they were part of the crew. I mean, they obviously impacted me, you know, who I am today, growing up with five, five girls stuck right in the middle of them. And, um, it was a wonderful thing because like I say, we, uh, just as young kids, we'd always dance. Like, my grandparents, um, my grandpa was a heck of a musician and they would play for the band and they would do the dances. Um, he'd call out the square dances. So even from a, as a young kid, I was exposed to the, the elite hall in Cache Valley. Um, and we'd go square dancing. And you better learn how to dance really fast because the floor in the elite hall is suspended.

• 32:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  It, it bounces to the beat of the music and the, and the, the step of the dancers. So if you get off, you're, it's like jumping on a trampoline and the kids jump and knock your knees out from underneath you. It's the same difference on the dance floor. And so, you know, you say that, but, um, I guess more than anything, it's probably my personality or personality disorders or whatever it might be. Um, OCD, whatever you want to call it, whatever it is, is I, I have a lot of interest in so many different things. And I always tell myself, I'm like, man, if I would just focus on one thing, I'd be good at something. And so, I mean, I've had, I've had so many great experiences because I'm like, if I want to check something out in life, I just go do it. Like, I love dancing. Um, I'm a

• 33:28Speaker 02

  vocal performer, so I, I, I can sing about, I mean, I prefer the classic country stuff.

• 33:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  Kind of my era of music and kind of what I grew up with. Um, but like, there's no reason why not to experience new things. Like, I love to dance, like, and I love music. Like, music is just healing. It's good for everybody. I mean, but all the other interests. Um, like my mules and horses, I pull authentic wagons. We do commemorative tracks. Um, just stuff that interests me. I just go full bore on it and figure it out and just go enjoy it. And, and if I don't like it, I go do something else. I mean, it's just.

• 34:07Speaker 00

  I think that's cool. I, I wish more men would just give themselves a little bit more permission to explore. Cause I think what ends up happening is you have guys who are like, you know, they might have an interest, for example, you know, maybe it's search and rescue or like hunting has become a big part of my life over the past 10 years. I haven't hunted my entire life.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:25Speaker 00

  Um, you know, and I'll ask people, I'm like, hey, come on a hunt with me. And they've wanted to. And they're like, just come with me. They're like, eh, mm, mm.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Making excuses.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Just everything's no. And I'm like, wait, what if you just said yes? And I think what happens for a lot of guys is they're like, well, they, at least they, they may not vocalize it, but what they believe is that if I, if I dabble, right, if I try that thing, then I'm committed to it. It's like, no, you're not committed. Like, you just try it. And if you like it, you take the next step. And if you don't, you take a step back and that's fine, too.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Well, and it's like, you hear the saying, um, if you're 40 years old and you don't have a barbecue or a sawmill, I mean, you gotta try something new.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Um, I don't know. I, I've had such a variety pack of, I mean, cause I loved the four wheel.

• 35:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  I mean, I started, uh, Winter Four Before Jamboree. It's one of the biggest, uh, off-road events in Utah in 2003. Shelby was in the car seat.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  That's amazing.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  It's, it's just crazy how that has evolved and grown. And, um, I've always been part of the off-road Jeep community in Southern Utah, you know, the state of Utah with land use issues. Like, all that stuff just kind of is things that affect me in my life. So I've always been involved with like, anything motorized. I love motorcycles.

• 35:42Speaker 00

  You're not still a Suzuki guy, are you?

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I still have that.

• 35:44Speaker 00

  What is that? What is that? What is that all about? I want to know.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Suzuki Samurai's, man.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  You like, you, you had an influence on my son and he, that's his first vehicle. I'm like, don't buy that.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  By example.

• 35:54Speaker 00

  And he bought it and then sold it. I'm like, good. And then he bought a Ranger and now.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Samurai's.

• 35:58Speaker 00

  Now he drives your kid's Audi. I'm like, dude, we gotta get you away from the lot houses.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  Suzuki's and Volkswagens, baby.

• 36:05Speaker 00

  Oh, that's, I said Audi. Yeah. It's a Volkswagen, sir.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Same difference.

• 36:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Um, oh, I love my toys too. I mean, like I say, four wheelers, five, 10 military trucks. Um, I got.

• 36:15Speaker 00

  Oh, that's right.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  Snow cats, snowmobiles, bass boat. I mean, whatever. Just, just find the weekend to go do it. I just, uh, I have stuff. Becky calls it a collection, but, um, yeah, go out and just go, go try it. Go have fun. Go.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  I mean, it's nothing for me. I get a call on a Thursday afternoon for a guy that's got buffalo down in the Grand Canyon. And he says, hey, I need some help getting these two buffalo out on, you know, I got two hunters. I'm like, all right.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Buffalo in the Grand Canyon?

• 36:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. They're all over down there.

• 36:46Speaker 00

  Really?

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  I had no idea.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Kaiba, all that whole, yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  Really?

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Look it up.

• 36:51Speaker 00

  Oh, I didn't know.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  It's pretty awesome.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  Men, real quick, I'm gonna pause. I, I hope you're enjoying the conversation. I, I have faith that you are. But I want to say something as we roll into Q4 of 2026. I almost got the date wrong, because it's crazy that's 2026. Regardless, here's what I see every year. Guys, just wait until January to get serious about their lives. Which means that they literally write off 25%, a quarter of their entire year. It's 90 days that you're never gonna get back. And I personally am not willing to give that up. I'm, I'm not as productive in nine months as I would be in 12. But inside of our brotherhood, we call it the Iron Council, and it's the council for a reason. And it's iron for a reason. We're in there sharpening each other.

• 37:39Speaker 00

  And we're going into Q4 with a battle plan. Very clear targets for how you show up for your family, your health, your work, your community, like Casey's been talking about today. Broken down, week by week, day by day, task by task. A plan by itself isn't the thing that works, though. The thing that works is having a group of men, a band of men, who know what you committed to, and will call you out respectfully when you start slipping. That's what real accountability is. It's the kind that Casey's talked about where, you know, someone expects you to show up and actually follow through on what you said you're gonna do.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  So if you want this to be the best quarter you've ever had, had, not just one you survive, get, get in now. Because this year isn't over yet. And I don't want you to write off 90 days of your life. 90 days doesn't sound like a lot, but when you start thinking about it in the context of 25% of your year, you could do some massive things this year. That's what I want for you. That's what the men inside the Iron Council want for you. So join us today. The year isn't over, so just don't, don't start acting like it is. Head to orderofman.com/ironcouncil. That's orderofman.com/ironcouncil. And I will see you guys inside. So they'll call you up and say, hey, come, come pack this up.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Or Wednesday night, and I'll be out on the road at 5:00 AM in the morning with eight or 10 mules to go get a, a hunter off the back country, or, I mean, I'm game.

• 39:10Speaker 00

  And do you go just do that, like, hey, this is fun, or you're like, cool, it's a thousand bucks, or like, what, like, I don't know?

• 39:15Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm not a guide or an outfitter by no stretch of the imagination, but it's like people that I know.

• 39:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Um, they're always good to, you know, pay you for fuel and some time if you want, but like, I, I'm not ever gonna go be an outfitter and go, you know, take tourists through Zion National Park on saddle mules or anything like that.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  Right.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Um, I love to go haul a hunter up on the mountain, or go retrieve an animal, or anything like that.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  Didn't you tell me a story about, I don't remember when this was, you lost a mule, I think, on, maybe a search and rescue?

• 39:47Speaker 02

  I lost a mule on that buffalo.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  Is that what it was? What happened there?

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Well, he, he, uh, we had a blow up, and we had a string of mules together, and they just scattered in the woodwork. And the nice thing about a mule is they'll usually always go back to the truck.

• 40:02Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  But it took him a while to find his way back. I was just, you know, hoping he didn't lose a pack or something, but we lost him just about dark, and he came tromping into camp with, oh, we actually had three of them. But we ended up going and finding them. Um, the last one was caught up in a tree with the, with the riggins, but

• 40:21Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  The other, the other two that went missing, they came back all on their own, but.

• 40:25Speaker 00

  But didn't you have one, like, fall off a cliff or something?

• 40:28Speaker 02

  Um, not, not exactly. We, we've had them go off the trail and tumble to the bottom before.

• 40:34Speaker 00

  I thought you told me you lost one, and it, like, fell off a cliff.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Andy's lost a couple on Pine Valley.

• 40:40Speaker 00

  Maybe that's what it was.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  It was one of Andy's ballards.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  But yeah, when you get out in the back country and you're on these rough trails, I mean, you can lose animals.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  You know, but hey, it's pretty dangerous sitting on the couch, too, so.

• 40:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, that's a good way to look at risk. You know, a lot of people be like, oh, it's risky, you know, I could get hurt, or I could have a problem. But nobody, nobody thinks twice about getting in their truck and heading out to the gas station for a Red Bull at 2:00 in the afternoon. But there's still a risk profile with that.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Self. Talk about make your heart flutter.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  Well, I like Red Bull, so, but that's a risk I'm willing to take for a Red Bull every now and again.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  A little pick-me-up.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, a little jolt. But yeah, but it is interesting, because I don't think people, we take risks every day, but most, most of us don't even really consider that what we're doing has a risk profile to it.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  Well, and I kinda got ruined in my, in my earlier days, because I,

• 41:37Speaker 02

  I did search and rescue for a long time in Washington County, and so I can see how easy it can go from being alive to being dead.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  And so I, I don't say I was paranoid, but I was a little more cautious. Like, we'd always go canyoneering, we'd, we'd go through the park, um, do the big, big rappels and canyoneering trips with the kids as much as we could, and, you know, swimming and water recreation is, like, you're not wearing a life jacket when you're recreating in the water, you're nuts.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Because, I mean, from my perspective, seeing it firsthand is, you can be dead in a big hurry in the water. And I, I'm paranoid. I would say I am paranoid about water.

• 42:22Speaker 00

  Really?

• 42:22Speaker 02

  I, I don't wanna drown, because I see how fast and how we, I mean, I've recovered 14-year-old kids 10 feet from the shore and nine feet of water. I mean, and you go over with the boat, and you can look down there and see them on the, down on the bottom waiting for the divers, and.

• 42:37Speaker 00

  And they just sucked in a bunch of water, or they got pulled under, or what?

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Just didn't get back to shore, you know, swimming too far, overexerting yourself, and so.

• 42:46Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  I know about risk, because in search and rescue, you see the results of risk management that, you know, people, people didn't. Nobody wants to go out and get killed while they're having fun, but the thing is, is if you go swimming in an area you're unfamiliar with, in cold water, whatever it is, like, I, I would say I am pretty cautious about water activities, just because if you don't have a life jacket on, you get in trouble, then there's no, you know, you're not gonna have bumps and bruises.

• 43:17Speaker 00

  Right, you're dead.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  You're dead. And so I kinda get really nervous about water activities.

• 43:22Speaker 00

  There was a story, uh, I think it wa, it wasn't this summer, I think it was last summer. It was up towards, towards Fillmore somewhere, maybe it was in Delta at the Reds up there, or whatever, and yeah, just a young, young boy was, I think he was doing some tubing behind a boat.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  And, uh, the, the rope got wrapped around him and dragged him under the water.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:47Speaker 00

  And his friends were trying to prop him up and hold him up, and they couldn't. And, you know, he's a young, he was like 11, 12 years old, if I remember right. And it's gone, just on a weekend of having fun.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think that's important, too. Um, risk management is a thing. It's, I mean, you don't wanna let it ruin your life, I mean, but at the same time, you have to be super conscious of what the results are. I mean, you crash on a motorcycle, it hurts.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  You know, and, uh, but pushing your limits to the, when you crash on a motorcycle, that you're in the ER for, you know, a month instead of a day. You know, there's just.

• 44:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, I've got, I've got a, a cousin by, by previous marriage, where he's out dirt biking, hit a jump, landed, hit, hit his chest on the, the handlebars.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:39Speaker 00

  And it separated all of his rib, his sternum from his ribs, and pushed into his chest.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  They had to pull it back up and staple it. I don't even want to know what they did, but it's like.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Well, that's, that's one thing I've, we go back to our kids, is I love it to get our kids out there on motorbikes, four-wheeling, uh, jeeping, you name it. Um, but risk management's important, making sure your kids, I mean, I, I tell Lincoln all the time, I'm like, you know, you're at that point in your life where if you can make it past the next three or four years, you're, you're free sailing, you know?

• 45:10Speaker 00

  You're all right.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  You'd be, you should be all right. But right now, you're, you're at that stage in your life and that age in your life, like, wear your seatbelt, don't be stupid, you know? I talk to my kids about risk management.

• 45:21Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Uh, and they tell me that I'm paranoid, and I'm like, no, just put your damn life jacket on when you're, when you're at the lake, on your, your longboard, or whatever it is, and, um, don't, don't think that you're a better swimmer than you are, and

• 45:34Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  don't think that you're a sissy because you put a life jacket on, like, just put a life jacket on.

• 45:38Speaker 00

  Or a helmet, or a seatbelt.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Or a seatbelt, all of those things.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  So yeah, risk management, I wouldn't mind dying an old man, but I'm not gonna ruin my life worrying about how I'm going out of here either, if I.

• 45:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  You know?

• 45:51Speaker 00

  I've always, I've kinda joked around and said, you know, the best way to go would be in a fight with a grizzly bear. Not that I would want that, but like, if I get to choose, but I'm also gonna try to avoid getting eaten by a grizzly bear.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  You betcha. Yeah, so. Just go out and have fun, I say. I mean, I do all types of things, both, I mean, social, I mean, work's fun. I have a good time at work and we, I don't say it's a party every day, but we just have a good time with each other and we have, you know, we joke around and have fun and work hard so that we can take those holidays off or the long weekends and just, just go live it and enjoy. I mean, try a new hobby. When I was a kid, I loved tying flies.

• 46:38Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 46:39Speaker 02

  I wasn't much of a fisherman, but I loved tying flies and, I mean, my dad is kind of the same way. I mean, he's, he's into ham radio, so of course I gotta try ham radio.

• 46:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  And so that got me in one of those civic groups as a young man and

• 46:55Speaker 02

  I got an honorary lifetime membership in the Dixie Amateur Radio Club because I helped them set up their whole new repeater system and

• 47:02Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Years on their board and just helping with all their project and, you know, some of those, it's not that big of a deal, but it's just one of those little rewards that I told you earlier that you, you get those rewards in life for just being part of that stuff and even now I love ham radio. They're gearing up to do this, the St. George Marathon.

• 47:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  And they're in charge of all this emergency supplies, all the aid station supplies, the shuttles, and they coordinate that on all these radio frequencies that, and repeater systems that 20 years ago I helped set up.

• 47:37Speaker 00

  Whoa, that's cool.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  They're upgrading them and doing all this stuff.

• 47:40Speaker 00

  Sure, yeah, of course.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  So, I got involved with it because the new president called me and he says, hey, I need some money. I'm like, alright, let me make some calls. So of course I call the Utah Four Wheel Drive Association and I call Desert Roads and Trails and they, you know, make a bunch of calls to these civic organizations that are nonprofits and I say, hey, the Ham Radio Club's working on this and they need 20,000 bucks. So whatever it was, I think I raised 15,000 bucks and three phone calls to these other cities.

• 48:06Speaker 00

  Is that right?

• 48:07Speaker 02

  It's just, because you were involved with them in the past and, so, I mean, so many interests, so many, I mean, and not enough time. I'd love to do more with ham radio and, but all of those little interests that I have, I'd say just go give it a whirl, give it a try, try something new.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  You meet new people. I mean, some of my best friends I met through the whole mules and horses, you know, to this day, some of them are very best friends.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  I met through that, I met, you know, some other friends through Search and Rescue that, I mean, we talk every day. And so, all of those have a time and a place in your life when you're, you know, when you're available. Just go do it, be a part of a Rotary Club or a Lions Club or whatever, and you just meet so many people and all of those people that you meet, you know, you may not recognize it that day, but, you know, years later, you're running each other in business and you have a business relationship and you're sending work back and forth. So it's like,

• 49:11Speaker 02

  I've noticed in my life, when I, when I encounter people that are, you kind of know, like, your first few times you meet them, like, you can, the older you get, the more you can kind of cut through the bullshit.

• 49:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, no doubt.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  You can tell whether some of these, you know, worthy of your time or your business and whatever it is and some of those are the best because you just, you have this common respect for each other.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  You know, I benefited, you know, because of my involvement with fundraiser with the police department and they, they bring vehicles in for maintenance, you know, whether that's a quid pro quo or whatever you want to call it.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  It's just knowing, it's knowing people.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Business, you know, it's just life and, so that's kind of an interesting thing that I've started to recognize in my life is all those relationships that you, even if it's just an encounter with somebody for a few minutes or once or twice, you see them several years later and you both made an impact on each other and you see each other and you, you say, hey, it's like we, it was yesterday we met, you know, and it's been 10 years or whatever it is. And so that, those are kind of some neat little things. I mean,

• 50:25Speaker 02

  I mentioned some of those jobs that we go do with the mules and you, you go out there and you have one of those experiences with a, with a guide or a, or whatever and you have this relationship and he's so appreciative, he's like, he just randomly touches base with you. Hey, what are you doing? And I don't need you, but, you know, how was life? How's things? And we're passing through, do you want to grab dinner? And so, just those little chance encounters that you get with people that years later, it's, it's kind of rewarding to kind of have those connections.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  You just don't know.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  I think also one of the things, you know, as I was thinking about, because we've been trying to set this up for a couple of weeks now, two, three weeks now.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  I think one of the things I appreciate about you is you're one of those men in the community who, as much as I feel the way about needing help or, you know, needing, needing something, you'd be there. I'm sure there's a thousand plus people that would describe you the same way. And I think that's really important for men who might listen to this podcast to understand is, you know, we, we, we spend a lot of time trying to be impressive and trying to like make our dent in the world or whatever.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:37Speaker 00

  And I think you're somebody I, I want to tell you, I admire you because you're somebody in the community who, you know, you care about people, you want to help people, you want to, and, and everybody knows you for that. And, and, you know, like, are you globally known? Are you world famous? No, but you know what? There's 10,000 people here who are like, no, Casey's a big part of the community and we, we have personally benefited from the way he's shown up in our life. And I wish more men understood that.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, and I appreciate you saying that because I, I have really strived to, I mean, I don't always do it, but I mean, I try to treat people with kindness. I have so many opportunities in my line of work to help somebody.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  And, you know, you can say no, you can draw the line, you can have your limits.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  But, you know, it really is rewarding to have, you know, people like, I mean, especially you to tell me that to my face. Because you don't always hear it. I mean, people tell you things, but, you know, I think that one thing that's helped me a lot is I,

• 52:46Speaker 02

  I have people in my life that have helped me and

• 52:51Speaker 02

  they just randomly call out of the blue. Hey, what are you doing? Or just even a text. Like, and so, if I'm driving down the road and I think, oh, I need to call Sean and see what he's up to. And then an hour and a half later, you're still BSing with him on the phone, you know, you just haven't talked for a while and, and so it's, it's definitely been rewarding. Like you say, in a small town, I've tried to treat people with kindness. One thing that I do that I don't tell very many people, and maybe I shouldn't tell them right now, but I

• 53:21Speaker 00

  Now everybody's gonna know your tricks, man.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  When I go through the drive up at Wendy's, very rarely do I not buy the food for the guy that's behind me. And it's just one of those things that I started doing one day as a joke and it turned into a routine and so Becky will look at my credit card receipt and say, where did you go to Wendy's or?

• 53:41Speaker 00

  I'm just gonna start following you around. I'm like, he's going to Wendy's right now. I'm gonna follow you and pull in behind you.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Caught, yeah. So I, I finally had to start paying with cash. It was a good question at home, but, you know, I, I have been tremendously blessed in my life as far as

• 53:59Speaker 02

  family and friends and business. I've just had some great opportunities. And even more so that is the opportunity to serve people. Like you say, there's, there may be some, something to be said for, I don't, I don't necessarily, I don't want to disappoint people, but I'm just me. Like, I want to be my genuine self. I want to be authentic. I want to be, you know, what I portray. When you come stop by my shop to say hi, I get that a lot. People just swing in the shop.

• 54:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:33Speaker 02

  I should have a coffee pot and a pop machine and more chairs because it's kind of like the social hub of the

• 54:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like when old, old timers used to do it around the barber shop or something.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  At the barber shop and so, it, it's kind of fun to just have those people coming in and just rotating through and like, it is, it's been rewarding over the years to have a business in Hurricane and have just that small town camaraderie. Just

• 55:00Speaker 02

  to be able to, you know, be in a position to help people if they need it. I don't, I could always charge a little more or, or I could, you know what I'm saying?

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Like,

• 55:09Speaker 00

  But that's, that's common, right? Now it's like, I gotta go out and get mine. And, you know, to a degree, sure, you gotta put food on the table and roof over your head. But like, I mean, I have, I have guys that'll call me. I had a guy today, I don't know who he is. He just messaged me and I could tell in his message he sent on Instagram. He's in a desperate spot, man. His wife's like, hey, I want a divorce and he's suicidal. And I'm like, call me. I have no idea who this guy is. I'm like, dude, call me. Here's my phone number. Just call me.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 00

  Or just giving out my personal, you know, email or, but

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and

• 55:42Speaker 00

  That's what we should do.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  That's what you should do. And I, I will say, I did the YouTube thing for quite a while with the Casey's Off-Road Recovery. It was a great time. I still do recovery and, and off-road towing and I have my shop. I mean, I've got multiple streams of income. I make a little money singing. I mean, whatever you can do to make a couple bucks here and there, but there's also when people are like that and you have that, you know, public, you're a public figure basically in your community, whether, however small that is to, around the world or around the United States, whatever your, your impact is to those people is, you should, you definitely should make yourself available. I mean, you're not a mental health counselor. I'm not.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  But there's many times where people, random people have reached out to me that were struggling, you know, mentally and maybe suicidal thoughts, stuff like that, struggling with finances and personal relationships. And there's, like you say, many times where I don't know who these people are from the man in the moon. And they'll reach out in a message. And so you always wonder like, what, you know, what should my interaction be here? But it's always like kindness and support, you know.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  Don't you you don't like need to get like personally in invested in it.

• 57:01Speaker 00

  Sure, yeah.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  But at the same time, like these people are reaching out because they don't know where else to go. Um, and I've had lots of those, I mean, Facebook messages pop up.

• 57:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Just random people.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  And conversations open because of a similar circumstance you found yourself in earlier and they you reach out to them or they reach out to you and you have a nice little interaction and and so that can be a positive side of the social media thing and having, you know, having set the example for somebody having in your community. But yeah, that's a that's an interesting aspect to that is just because you don't know who as you go about your day to day life doing your podcasts and I go about my day to day life. Um, who who you're impacting, who's who's watching you as the example. Um, you just never know how many people. I mean, the word goes back to, you know, a kind word and a smile can make somebody's day because you don't know what they're going through.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  I had a situation, it wasn't too long ago where

• 58:04Speaker 00

  I was at a restaurant and like a server was kind of being rude or like it was some, it was it was weird. It was a very strange scenario and then got my food order wrong or whatever. And in a in a moment of in a moment of divine intervention, I think I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna be kind to this person instead of being a dick.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  Like, I don't know what she's going through. Is she having a bad day or, you know, maybe she's got a kid who's sick or her husband's a jerk. I don't know. I have no idea. And so I just decided to be a decent, normal human being. And um, I was on my way out and somebody's like, hey, Ryan. And I didn't know who it was. They're like, hey, Ryan. And I turned around. They're like, hey, uh, I don't, we don't know each other, but I listened to your podcast. And this was a guy who was sitting behind me in the restaurant. And he's like, I just wanted to tell you, I thought it was pretty cool how you handled that.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:56Speaker 00

  And I was like, oh, shit.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, people are watching and you.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  I was like, I'm glad I was not an asshole to that person. Not not only because she didn't deserve it, but also because there are eyes on you as a as a leader in your community, as a leader in your family, like there's always eyes on you.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  Well, and if I say right one more time to right.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  It's the truth. Like if you put yourself out there, you have expectations like

• 59:27Speaker 02

  and that's what I go back to the being your genuine, authentic self. I mean, everybody is more than capable of losing their cool and

• 59:34Speaker 00

  Of course, yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  But if you're a little more gauged in your response. I mean, I've I've been in a situation where I've made an ass out of myself.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  And I look back on it going, well, that was pretty stupid, you know, and have to apologize as we went back to that. Um. But there's always those times where you can you recognize that and you can make a difference by leaving her a little better tip. Writing her a note or whatever it is, like you can be thoughtful and you can you can impact her life. And I've had those circumstances where I may have been

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  being a smart aleck when I bought the meal for the table next door that was making fun of my kids.

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  You know, and I left them a little note, said, you know, I could hear them talking, calling us the homeless family.

• 1:00:23Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  So I bought their meal and then I wrote from the homeless family on the ticket and had the, you know, those types of things. I mean, like all in good fun, but I think that those parents who were enabling their kids and and, you know, like condoning the behavior by participating in it, like I think they got the message.

• 1:00:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Like, the people that were sitting behind you that we were making fun of can afford to buy your meal. And we've been out working uh, all day long, my kids right by my side, helping some elderly lady with her lawn and her yard and her cleanup. Yet we go to the store and you're sitting behind me in your your penny loafers and your suit coat, making fun of us because we're dirty and we're the homeless family, you know, and and I heard it going on behind me. And so I bought their dinner and then, you know, I kind of laughed about it as I seen the waitress bring their ticket out, you know, and it so those types of things, I mean, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have done that. But it was better than going over there and bumping into the dad's chair.

• 1:01:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was gonna say like getting physical, right?

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. So so those types of things, I mean, you have have fun with that, but um, it's better than making a scene in the in the store by calling them out, right?

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  You know, so.

• 1:01:32Speaker 00

  Come here.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  But

• 1:01:34Speaker 00

  Go.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, you you definitely need to need to set the example by.

• 1:01:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think so. I again, I just think of so many guys out there who are like, oh, I'm gonna post all this stuff on social media, but it's like, do you know your neighbor?

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  You know, like my neighbor, I got some mail today sent sent here to the house. Hey.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  You're out of here.

• 1:01:57Speaker 00

  If you guys don't know, my dog's gay. Go, go upstairs.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Take a hike.

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  Um, like, do you know your neighbor? You know, I I had some mail delivered to my neighbors. It's an Amazon package. I didn't even look at the name. I just opened it because it was sitting on my doorstep.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  Like, what did I buy?

• 1:02:14Speaker 00

  I was like, it was like an Amazon fire stick or something. I'm like.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Oh, that Amazon, that's a terrible place.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  I'm like, I didn't buy this. And I'm like, oh, it's my neighbor's. And, you know, I know her.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  Like she has, she literally has a key to my house.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  You know, your new neighbor.

• 1:02:29Speaker 00

  My new neighbor.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Your new neighbor.

• 1:02:30Speaker 00

  Where?

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  My daughter just moved in down the street from you. You didn't even.

• 1:02:34Speaker 00

  No, I didn't know that. I'm like blowing my case right now. So like she my she literally has a key to my house.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  I'm like, hey, if you know, if I'm out of town, I'm like, hey, will you keep an eye on the dog? Or hey, if uh, I might have some extra food if I'm going out of town. I'm like, hey, do you need you need some food or whatever? Like, that is way more meaningful than

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:57Speaker 00

  the dent we're trying to make on social media and be famous and all that kind of stuff.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  Social media, that's an interesting place. Um. When you're writing your own story, you can you can paint a pretty picture.

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, and we can fool ourselves easily too.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can fool yourselves into thinking that you're more important than you are, you're living a fake narrative, whatever you wanna, whatever you wanna translate that into. Um. Be your true, authentic self. I mean, don't just post the the sunshine pictures and and the flowers blooming and everything's honky doory, you know, if you're if you're gonna if you're gonna put yourself out there on the public forum, like you get what you get, like this is this is who I am. And that was with the YouTube thing, filming what I do.

• 1:03:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  There there's no props, there's no bullshit. It's just filming what I do. This is who I am. You get what you get. Um.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  I'm always excited to get a text from you because I know it's um, you sent me a message the other day, last week or whenever it was. And I don't know, some some idiot, you know, and and I could have very well been the same idiot and I have been at times, but you know, went through this big mud bog and just is buried up to his will wells and mud.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  You're like, check this out. I'm like, and we laugh about it, you know, but.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Well, and I'm not, I'm not ever there to judge or make them feel any less. I'm just there to do my job, but I don't mind taking a picture and sharing it with other people and having a good laugh because uh, one of my things I always tell people when they're in a bad situation, it doesn't matter if they're stuck or broke down. I'm like, you know, this is all just part of the adventure.

• 1:04:32Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  This is all going down. They're on vacation. They've just think their vacation's completely ruined. And then wouldn't you know it, they it's me that they shows up in the tow truck and I take them to Vegas or do whatever they need to do.

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  You know, I've had the weird circumstances a time or two where this lady, she's like, man, I'd sure love the mules. And her husband's like, those mules are pretty cool. And and they're like, you know, talking about it. And then the next time they came out to visit, they called me and says, hey, would you take us on a mule ride?

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Like

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  That's cool.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  Just random.

• 1:05:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  And they're like, will you take us on a mule ride? My husband would love to go on a mule ride. I'm like, sure. So I said, meet me up at the rodeo grounds and we'll go off the river and we'll go do a little loop through Confluence Park.

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  And so it's just kind of funny how how you make those connections, but.

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  It's cool. Like I so last year I was driving the old way, the the new way out to to St. George, the back way.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:05:26Speaker 00

  And I drove by Sand Hollow and I'm driving and I see this, I look over to the side. And I know you do a lot of work out there because people get stuck all the time.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  All the time.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  So I'm driving down the road and I look off about 20 yards off the highway and there is a truck that's obviously stuck and it's a it's a husband and wife, I assumed. And I just drove by.

• 1:05:47Speaker 00

  And I get like twenty, you know, fifty, a hundred yards down the road. I'm like, and God's like, hey idiot, like you might be a little late to what you're doing, but you probably should turn around and help him.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Speaker 00

  So I'm like, ah, fine.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Oh, you definitely want to follow those intuitions.

• 1:06:03Speaker 00

  Oh, for sure. So I turn around, I pull over. The guy walks up, I'm like, looks like you're stuck. He's like, yeah, I keep a tow strap in my truck. I'm like, let's just hook the tow strap up, hooked it up and pull it out, you know, it took me twenty minutes. And I could hear the wife, she's on the phone, she's like, yeah, we're uh, we're, we're stuck, we're on our way, we're just running late, somebody helped, somebody pulled over and is helping us or whatever. Um, and so we get him pulled out, get him on the side of the road and he comes up and he shakes my hand, but when he shakes my hand, he's got a twenty dollar bill in his hand. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:06:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  He's like, no, really? Like, I said, no, the, no, I don't, I don't need that. I said, what are you guys doing? He's like, ah, my daughter's, um, having her baby and we're trying to get out there.

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  We're stuck in the sand.

• 1:06:49Speaker 00

  And we're stuck, yeah. And he's like, I owe you, like, I owe you something. I'm like, you know, just maybe if you see somebody stuck, or if you see me stuck tomorrow or something, like, just help, like,

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:03Speaker 00

  I don't need, I don't want your twenty dollars. I just, like, cause I actually get something from that, too. There's this, like, this, this, this thing of altruism of just helping people is good, but it actually is, it feels good, there's benefit to us.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  There's mentally, physical benefits from being a giving person. Um, you can, you can dip into the scriptures just a little bit, but they always say that when you're in the service of your fellow man, you're in the service of your God.

• 1:07:29Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Like, they, it, it truly is like the most rewarding thing is to serve your fellow man. Like, whatever capacity, whatever skill set. Um, the times in my life where I've been the happiest and is when I'm serving somebody else. And even, even to the point, if you're getting paid to do it, it, it doesn't matter. If you're, if you're in the service of somebody and you're doing what you need to help to get them out of a situation, to tell them to fix their car, to, you know, talk to them, be kind to them, that, that's all a form of service, like, your day to day interactions, just like you say, in the restaurant, you could have ruined her whole day or made it worse.

• 1:08:08Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  And you, you chose to be a good, decent person.

• 1:08:13Speaker 00

  Well, for every one story I have like that, I've got twenty.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sure, we all do. We, I'm sure we all do, but you, you want to recognize and take that accountability and recognize that, hey, that I didn't feel so good when I acted like this, but now I'm over here and turned the coin over and I was able to help this family. I felt a lot better helping them instead of being a jerk to somebody in a restaurant or an order and, yeah, we're probably all guilty of being short tempered and, and, you know, upsetting people, but I think that if you recognize the difference in how you feel when you help somebody versus when you ruin their day, it's dynamically different.

• 1:08:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you ever feel like, do you ever feel like it's at

• 1:09:04Speaker 00

  your own expense and, you know, how do you, how do you find the balance to make sure, you know, you're not, I mean, I don't even know what I'm necessarily, that, that you're not like burning yourself out, that you're not killing yourself, that you're able to maintain and uphold other responsibilities for.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Well, that's where, that's where you need to learn how to say no. You have to have your limits. I mentioned that earlier. Um, I mean, yeah, there's been times where search and rescue, search and rescue was never convenient.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  I'm sure, yeah.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  Birthday parties, anniversaries, you name it. It was never a convenient time to go save somebody's life or to recover a body or to, whatever the case might be. But you have to, I did it, I did my time and then I got out.

• 1:09:55Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  And I think all things in life

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  probably have an expiration date. As you age, maybe you're not, you know, you're not hiking to the top of Pine Valley with a ninety pound pack.

• 1:10:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:10:09Speaker 00

  I don't know if I've ever done that.

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  Oh, it's.

• 1:10:12Speaker 00

  Let alone like reached my prime, like I have never done that.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  But I think finding that balance is an important thing in all things you do. Um, and you're going to notice, I mean, I did, when the kids were all in sports,

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  you didn't have time for anything.

• 1:10:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  So you're at baseball games, you're at lacrosse games, you're at dance, and all of those things are your priorities and say, somebody calls in the middle of that, well, I'm not available till later, or have somebody else come and help you. So managing all that and then all of a sudden you're like me, you're an empty nester and you're going, what the hell am I going to do with all this time? So it's like, well, maybe I should go to the sons of the Utah pioneers luncheon on Tuesday or go to their dinner or go to their Saturday activity or, you know, go, I go work at the farm or run, you know, whatever, but it's like, you're gonna have those transitions in life where it's like, wow, I'm an empty nester. How am I going to fill my time? And

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  it just kind of naturally.

• 1:11:15Speaker 00

  Stabs and flows.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  Takes care of itself. I mean.

• 1:11:18Speaker 00

  That's a good point. I mean, I remember, and you know this, I was, I mean, I coached your son in baseball. And I love that. I love coaching. Um, and then there just came a point in time where our, where our boys just

• 1:11:30Speaker 00

  exceeded my capabilities as a coach. I'm like, you can't, I, you guys have graduated past my coaching ability, so my time here is done.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Speaker 00

  And that was a good, that was good. Like, I enjoyed it and it was also good when it was done. Like, cool, now I can focus on something else.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Something else. And, and you'll see that, like, you don't necessarily have to worry about, and I think

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  it's kind of hard. I, I raised honeybees commercially for a lot of years.

• 1:11:54Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  Um, sold a great product in honey and pollen and all this.

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  You came, you came to my house years ago and grabbed like a rogue hive or something. You remember that?

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  I do. And I did a lot of that stuff and then it just became a time to where I was like, I was tired of lifting ninety pound boxes. I was tired of the losses. I was tired of the getting stung. I had a few allergic reactions and then you know, you just hang it up and that's it. Um, I still have people all the time. Do you still have honey? Can you get honey? What, you know?

• 1:12:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, you had one before we started the podcast.

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And so, um, do you want to come gather this swarm? Nope, I'm over it. I mean, I, I've been doing it since I was this tall. My dad was into honeybees. So like I said, naturally I'm into honeybees. Um, I grew up around it. I got exposed to it at an early age. And so all of those hobbies, you know, I hope my kids want to do a little farming when they get a little older and they've, you know, survived their, their twenties and thirties and they can have a couple of cows around or chickens. Um, and so all the things that you do as raising your kids are probably stuff your kids will be interested in, growing plants, growing a garden, all that type of stuff, hunting, whatever it is.

• 1:13:02Speaker 00

  My kid, uh, well, I've, I've got three boys and a girl, but one of my boys is, he doesn't like hunting.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:09Speaker 00

  I said, do you want to hunt? And he's like, no. I'm like, why? He's like, dad, I don't like being cold. I don't like being tired and I don't like being bored. I'm like, those are legitimate reasons not to enjoy hunting because you're going to be all three of those, most of the time.

• 1:13:27Speaker 02

  If you're going to dedicate and do, do anything other than road hunting, you're definitely going to encounter all of that.

• 1:13:32Speaker 00

  But yeah, but my old Brecken and, um, my youngest now, they're, Brecken's a more of an avid, he's a better hunter than I am.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:40Speaker 00

  Um.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  Well, you definitely want your kids to be better than you and excel and.

• 1:13:44Speaker 00

  I absolutely do. The, the boys, they laugh. They're like, dad, I can beat you at whatever. And I usually say, no, you can't, but in the, my heart of hearts, I'm like, I hope you can. Like, I want you to be able to be, beat me at relationships and money making and careers and hob, like, I want you to beat me at all of it.

• 1:14:06Speaker 00

  But I still want to give you a run for your money.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, Lincoln grabbed a hold of me the other day and he about whipped me.

• 1:14:12Speaker 00

  Oh, I know.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Just, they're, they're stout, stout boys.

• 1:14:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's cra, Brecken does the same, and, and my second Eli will do the same thing. He's, you know, he, he came over the other day and he's like, he just took his shirt off and he just started flexing. I'm like, what are you doing? And he, and I'm like, well, I'm going to take my shirt. So I took my shirt off and we're sitting there flexing. I'm like,

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  I'm about to get whipped.

• 1:14:35Speaker 00

  Bigger than me. He's got like abs and bigger biceps than me. He's, he's not even sixteen yet. I'm like, what is happening right now?

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, it was such a trip raising kids, I'll tell you.

• 1:14:48Speaker 00

  So what's the next journey for you? Like, what's the next chapter where you're an empty nester now?

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  I don't know. I'm, I'm kind of getting tired of the shop. I'm, uh, I'm there every day and like I say, there's just so much going on. I, I kind of probably just the status quo, just keep chasing my passions and keep, uh, like I say, I, I'll fly by the seat of my pants. I'm ready to just go on an adventure, whatever it is, if it's a four wheeling trip or a

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  you know, a mule ride or a, we have a couple wagon trips coming up for the livestock festival and

• 1:15:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  a few things like that that we always try to do and you know, the normal stuff, weddings and all the adventures.

• 1:15:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. Just live it, just live in life.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  Just living life, burning fuel now, I'll tell you.

• 1:15:37Speaker 00

  I'll do it now. It's, wait till after the midterms, it'll go down.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  That's been rough.

• 1:15:43Speaker 00

  Or maybe during the midterms it should go down, but it hasn't seemed to, but.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  It hasn't seemed to. It's, uh, running a towing company with fuel prices high.

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  It's, it's been pretty brutal, but it's, you kind of just pay attention, you know, it'll be fine, it'll pass, but.

• 1:15:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  It's probably just, uh, chase life, keep, keep having fun. I've, uh,

• 1:16:07Speaker 02

  I got plenty to do.

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  I think.

• 1:16:11Speaker 00

  Well, Casey, I appreciate you, man. I I've been looking forward to having you over and I know I've been dragging my feet. We needed to get this situation arranged.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  Well, it looks pretty good.

• 1:16:19Speaker 00

  It looks good for now. It's we got some more work to do clearly. We kind of put that to the test today, but I just want I want to tell you, man, I appreciate you. You've been a good friend for what's it been? Fifteen years?

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably.

• 1:16:32Speaker 00

  Maybe longer. Um, but no, you've been a good friend to me. You've been a good friend to my family and I just I really appreciate you and I thought this would be a cool conversation because I just think there's so many guys who just overlook their own abilities because you know, maybe they don't feel great about themselves or they don't feel like they're making that dent. I'm like, man, you can you can be so instrumental in people's lives and and I hope you know, you you are in mine and I know you are in a lot of other people's lives as well. So I just wanted to tell you that.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  Well, and I appreciate the invite. I um, and all the kind words, I I definitely do strive to be, you know, be a good example for for everyone and try to be the best version of myself and it's been, it's really has been a lot of fun raising my family in Hurricane and being involved in all aspects of the community. I've just had so much fun and um, I love Hurricane. I love I love the community. It's uh, it's definitely been a rewarding opportunity to be part of it and like I say, I I hope that people will kind of take things that I said with uh, you know, positive, not criticism, but just positive, you know, insight into my life and what's worked for me.

• 1:17:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Um, go be your best version of yourself versus trying to be somebody else. I don't I don't think that you need to be a copycat, but you want to be a true, authentic person and be thoughtful in your day to day life, have integrity and honesty. And I think that you'll be blessed for all the time that you put back into your community and your fellow man and it's uh, it's just been a lot of fun, just talking about it and and so it's kind of put it in perspective for me too, to just kind of look over the years.

• 1:18:17Speaker 00

  Start thinking about it, right?

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  I've had a few opportunities, you know, with podcasts here and there, but I found out that the podcast is the weird thing because you can have a good voice for radio and you can have a good face and a voice for TV, but you kind of, you know, you mix the two together and I get kind of confused.

• 1:18:35Speaker 00

  It's uh, it's interesting. It's been a crazy journey over the past eleven or twelve years, but well, yeah, almost twelve years now, but it's been awesome. I was gonna say too, one of like, one of my favorite things is going to a parade in town, like whether it's Peach Days or Fourth of July or whatever, and seeing you and your family and the and the mules and your wagons, like that's my that's my favorite. I I love that. I love when you come by and man, it's really cool. Anyways, um, if guys want to learn more about, you know, what you're up to with the towing or whatever else you got going on, would you want to direct them anywhere?

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, so I uh, I still have my YouTube channel up and running. It's Casey's Offroad Recovery. I think I've had it since two thousand and seven, so it's been it's been up and going for quite a while. There's several hundred videos on there. Um, I think most everyone in town kind of knows me for Casey Loft House, but I I run Winterton Automotive Towing, um, as well as Casey's Auto Repair. And so I run three businesses.

• 1:19:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  And so if you want to check me out online, we have Google listings and website and all that stuff, but I just have a great time in life and like I said, I've been abundantly blessed with all of it and so you want to holler, stop by when you're in town. I get lots of people still from the YouTube channel coming by to say hi.

• 1:19:52Speaker 00

  That's cool. Yeah.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  It's a lot of fun. I meet people from all walks of life.

• 1:19:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  Um, you know, some of the old timers are the most rewarding because they they can't get off the couch. They they're kind of they're they're kind of stuck in their wheelchair or whatever, you know, they they were veterans. They served the country. They, you know, they're just old timers, but they they kind of live through my lens, so to speak.

• 1:20:12Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  And so you guys want to check any of that stuff out, you sure can and uh, I appreciate the opportunity to get on and chat about life and my perspective and kind of

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  just have that opportunity. It was fun.

• 1:20:26Speaker 00

  Now, I appreciate it. Thanks, brother.

• 1:20:27Speaker 02

  You bet.

• 1:20:29Speaker 00

  All right, man. Mr. Casey Loft House. So honored that he was the first one to come into this new and improved, updated studio. Uh, I I I love having conversations with Casey. He's been a friend for decades at this point, but he's somebody who is is like us, somebody who wants to do good, who wants to be a good source of influence and and good in the community and somebody I think all of us resonate deeply with, even though he's a little bit more uh, involved than ninety nine point nine percent of us. But I love this guy and I was glad to have him on. So make sure you check out his YouTube channel over at Casey's Offroad Recovery. And then, of course, if you're in Southern Utah, you can look him up. He talked about

• 1:21:11Speaker 00

  doing a a mule drive for for a random couple. I don't know if he makes that available to everybody, but uh, if he does end up saving your life in Zion National Park or the high desert of Southern Utah, uh, just make sure, you know, he he knows you appreciate him because he does he does great work. So anyway, guy, uh, guys, I hope you enjoyed the conversation. Um, make sure to connect with him. Take a screenshot, tag Casey's Offroad Recovery, tag myself and uh, let other men know what you're listening to and where you're getting feedback and advice and insight about how to improve your life. And then the last thing, make sure you just make the most of the last quarter of twenty twenty six. I don't care if it's with us. I'd rather it be with us because I think we do good work.

• 1:21:55Speaker 00

  But as long as it's somewhere, I'm happy with that. I want you to improve. I want you to get better. And if you want a resource to do that, orderofman.com slash iron council. All right, gentlemen, make it a great day. We will be back tomorrow for our Ask Me Anything. And again, I'm over on YouTube now with this new, this brand new studio that I think you're really going to love. Head to youtube.com slash Order of Man and I'll see you over there. Until tomorrow, uh, go out there, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

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