Michael B. Jordan: How to Connect with Your Intuition & Focus on Your Path

Do you want to learn how to connect with your intuition? Do you want to stay focused on your path? In a very special episode of On Purpose, Michael B. Jordan joins Jay for an open and honest conversation. Michael is a director, actor, and producer recognized as an industry leader. Michael recently reprised the role of Adonis Creed in CREED III, which had the biggest opening weekend for a CREED film and biggest domestic opening for a sports movie ever. In this insightful conversation, Michael sheds light into the nuances of our childhood and its lasting impact on our lives. He also talks about resilience and the importance of prioritizing family amidst the journey of life. Michael and Jay discuss the essence of intuition, authenticity, and purpose, empowering listeners to connect with their inner selves and forge meaningful paths forward. There is strength in building your own team therefore it is important that we know how to pick our own people. The same goes for showing our authenticity at all times and creating safe spaces for ourselves and the people around us. It also matters that you do not hide behind false words and to always speak your truth. In this interview, you'll learn: How to connect and develop your intuitionHow to trust your own choicesHow to be authenticHow to be truth to yourself and to others Today, we will learn the value of shared goals, insightful stories, and guidance to inspire you to live with purpose, authenticity, and boundless potential. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro04:39 Why Your Childhood Environment Matters09:44 Family Over Everything12:16 Never Stop Making Yourself Better21:29 The Moments of Negativity28:00 How to Connect with Your Intuition31:17 This is Your Moment34:05 The Right Things to Obsess Over38:07 The Benefits of Sea Moss43:23 How to Build Your Team48:48 The Best Way to Bring People Together54:52 How Do You Define Authenticity?01:00:10 What is Your Purpose?01:05:43 Finding Your Own Safe Space01:09:33 Unapologetically Honest About Your Truth01:13:31 Michael on Final Five Episode Resources: Michael B. Jordan | Instagram Michael B. Jordan | Twitter Michael B. Jordan | Facebook Moss See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:39Jay Shetty?

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• 3:21Jay Shetty?

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• 3:28Speaker 01

  Being honest with where you stand and how you feel, it's really giving another person an option and opportunity to be as honest with you. And whatever your fear of that is, of that outcome, is never really as big as what you make it up to be, you know? It's really not that. Small is not promised to anyone. But time will move on, you know? You will move past it. And if tomorrow never come, at least you can know that you said what you needed to say.

• 3:54Jay Shetty?

  Before we jump into this episode, I'd like to invite you to join this community to hear more interviews that will help you become happier, healthier, and more healed. All I want you to do is click on the subscribe button. I love your support. It's incredible to see all your comments and we're just getting started. I can't wait to go on this journey with you. Thank you so much for subscribing. It means the world to me.

• 4:25Jay Shetty?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to to become happier, healthier and more healed. I appreciate your ears, I appreciate your eyes. I'm so grateful that you're here right now and I thank you for investing in yourself. You know that this platform is all about allowing the humans to be human, to give them a space to share their hearts, share their mind and share what's really happening behind the scenes. I think it's so easy in the climate we live in to get lost in clickbait and articles and views and often that stops us from actually getting to understand someone and see someone for who they are. And today's guest is someone that I've been wanting on the show for years. So I'm extremely happy and extremely present even more than ever because this has been

• 5:08Jay Shetty?

  an opportunity I've been looking forward to. Today I'm talking to the one and only Michael B. Jordan, a director, actor, producer, who's recognized as an industry leader invested in bringing social change to Hollywood through his art and philanthropy. Making his feature film directorial debut, Michael B. Jordan recently reprised the role of Adonis Creed in Creed 3. I'm a big Rocky fan, so when Creed dropped, you knew I had to see it, which had the biggest opening weekend for a Creed film and biggest domestic opening for a sports movie ever, ever of all time. I just need to clarify that. Up next, Michael B. Jordan is set to star in Ryan Coogler's next feature film for Warner Brothers and

• 5:49Jay Shetty?

  Michael B. Jordan also was named one of Time's 100 Most Influential People of 2023. He's been recognized as People's 2020 Sexiest Man Alive, my team went on about this, and one of the New York Times 25 Greatest Actors of the 21st Century. And now he's got a new health drink out and you know I'm a big fan of health and wellness. It's called Moss, the first of its kind sea moss beverage available nationwide as you're listening or watching today. Welcome to the show, Michael B. Jordan. Mike, it's great to have you here.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Jay, I appreciate it, man. That introduction's great. I just carry you around with me everywhere I go and just introduce me places. But no, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me, man.

• 6:28Jay Shetty?

  Well, I wanted to add also, like in the few moments we've spent together, even just walking in, you know, if I can add to that. Intro, you know, extremely humble, gracious, kind, like thoughtful, like it's it's also nice meeting that and I and I love that this platform is a space that can come out and we were just talking about that you were saying that

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 6:45Jay Shetty?

  You know, you you've almost been looking for a space where you can share that because you don't do a lot of press.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't, I you know, it's it's seasons for it, you know, obviously, you know, when you have a project coming out or something you need to promote, you know, there's it's a part of that that news cycle. But for me personally, I I try to, you know, kind of say to myself a little bit and and I'm very cautious of how how you want people to get to know you, you know, when you have opportunities to speak and and share things about yourself and and not kind of, you know, be a part of sometimes other people's agenda, you know, so so that's a but but been a big, big fan of yours for for a long time and the work that you've done and and you are currently doing. And and it felt like this was a good, good time to, you know, to get out and talk and and, you know, share some things about me, I guess, you know, I've a

• 7:29Speaker 01

  it's been, it's been a journey, you know, it's been, it's been a journey. So, you know, this is a nice little checking point, I think.

• 7:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that. Well, I appreciate the trust and I love that checking point because it must be fascinating to look back at something and then think about where you were in life, what was going on in your mind. So I wanted to start with, there was this one thing you said in an interview and we were talking about this earlier, this idea of written versus being able to explain.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 7:53Jay Shetty?

  And there was this great point you made that I think people wouldn't recognize with the amount of success you've had, the hits you've had, you know, I think people want to know about you and learn about you, but you said, when you come from where I come from and everybody doesn't get those breaks, that luck, you start to question, why am I successful in life? Why did I go this way and everybody went that way? And I just thought that that was, you know, again, extremely humble and also representative of where you grew up, how you came up, like, which way did everyone go and where did that luck begin for you?

• 8:27Speaker 01

  You know, I think coming up in in Newark, New Jersey, coming up in that environment and, you know, having, you know, when you're younger, you know, you you're living life, you know, you're you're taking it a day at a time, you know, you're going to basketball practice, you're going to school, you know, you're going to church, you know, you're you're you're for me was, you know, taking a lot of trips to New York City, going on Auditions at a really, really young age and just figuring out what, what, what that is. Having, having parents pretty aware, you know, um, and, and very present in my life, you know, growing up. Uh, you know, that was, that was rare amongst my family, amongst my friend group, you know, uh, having both parents that was there and very present. And, um, aware of my environment as well, you know, what, what, uh, you know, being told to look out for these things and, uh,

• 9:09Speaker 01

  ma- make good choices, to be disciplined, to be focused on things, you know, get your school, you know, all the, the, uh, you know, the, the positives. And, and, and growing up in, in an environment like that and, you know, hats off to my parents and to, uh, to sacrifice so much to make sure their kids, you know, were safe and, and grew up in, you know, and, and, you know, grow up in that environment ain't easy, making ends meet, you know, um. Grew up very poor, but didn't feel like it, you know what I'm saying? It was very, you know, I think they did a good job at hiding those things, you know? I think as we get older, we look back, it was like, oh man, we went through that. Oh, oh, that's why we slept in the kitchen that one time with the oven open or, oh, that's why we stayed at grandma's house for like, you know, a couple of weeks when you, you know, so you, you, you get that reflection of, of how we kind of grew up and,

• 9:50Speaker 01

  and I think for me, you know, always having a, you know, a bigger purpose, I think, or just, you know, just that optimism, you know, that, that I was a big dreamer as a kid. And, and I think, you know, you start to, not just to focus on the, just the work of it all, but I, since I was working at such a young age, that's the thing that I can kind of point to of, you know, booking auditions and getting this job and traveling to this place and experiencing these things. And coming back home with these experiences and not having a lot of people who could relate. Or could, you know, uh, I could soundboard off of and, and I think in feeling like that, you don't want to alienate those people, you know, uh, uh.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  And I think, and this is all, I guess in hindsight, you don't share these stories as much, you know, maybe you should. Cause you don't want somebody to feel like inadequate or, you know, not being able to have that experience that you might've had. And I think, you know, that snowballs as you, as you get older and from stepping stone to stepping stone as, as, as I continue to be successful. At a, at a, at a young age, um, you start to question, why am I being so successful? And the people that look just like me that are right next to me in these everyday things, aren't necessarily doing that or not choosing. To, you know, just didn't have those options that were laid out to them. And I, and I think you start to doubt yourself for whatever reason, or feel guilty for the things

• 11:13Speaker 01

  that you may or may not have, even though, you know, our parents were people of service, you know, block parties, or, you know, cooking church dinners, or, you know, whenever, you know, my house was the house that everybody came to at some point, whether we were going to get pizza that night, or dad was going to take everybody camping, or going to these things, like, it was, that was kind of my house within, within my neighborhood and community. And, and so I think for me, being a person of service, kind of, because, you know, this kind of comes from how I was raised, and, and those are the examples that I knew growing up. I always felt lucky too. As you become more successful, and, and you, you see less people look like you that are being successful in this, in this realm, and you

• 11:55Speaker 01

  end up being the one guy that looks like me that's successful, or the couple guys that, or the usual suspects that you see in the audition room, or things of that nature, you know, you start to sometimes question, why, why, why are you? Now I can, I, I, I feel as though it was my, it was my path, you know, it was my purpose and spirituality, and growing up in a, in a household that was very focused on, you know, you know, church and spiritual and meditation, and, and, and just being aware of the world that we live in, you know, I felt I was destined for, for something, not knowing what that was, but just something.

• 12:34Jay Shetty?

  Wow, yeah, and I mean, when I'm, when I'm hearing that, it sounds like, I love what you said, you were like, you know, they, they hid we were poor, and we didn't even see that. But this idea of like, you sound so, when I, when I see you talk about your family, and for those of you watching, you can see it on Mike's face, but there's so much joy, and there's bliss, and there's like, there's like a happiness when you're looking back on that time, like, I can see it's a positive experience because of how you feel you've been loved and cared for and supported, even though the resources may not have been there, or the access or opportunities. And, and I was wondering, when I was listening to you, like, is there a memory or an experience from your childhood that you think defines who you are today? Like, was there a, a memory or a story that

• 13:17Jay Shetty?

  you have in your mind of an experience you went through that you think brings out maybe that service element, or brings out that purposeful element?

• 13:24Speaker 01

  And I think this this bliss and this this appreciation for how I grew up comes in hindsight. You know, like, you know, the first time you have a moment where you're like, pick up the phone, you know, one morning, you just call your mom and be like, thank you. I get it. I'm and I'm sorry. I'm sorry for for being that kid at some point. And I'm so sorry for not understanding. I totally get what you guys are going through. Sheesh, I love you guys, you know? Like, you you have those moments when you get older, you know, that you just can't really have that perspective when you when you were a kid. And I think, you know, I was very mischievous, you know, as well. And and and I think there were moments when my dad disciplined me, you know, for for for for whatever the,

• 14:08Speaker 01

  you know, whatever I did at that time. And then my mom would have a conversation with me around the why. And and and then being also forced or pushed and nudged into a space where you had to acknowledge your siblings also, you know, in that situation and and and the importance of family. And what that means, you know? My parents have different upbringings, you know what I'm saying, from, you know, uh, and and different family structures growing up. But one thing they've always provided us with is just a sense of like family over everything, you know, and how important that is. And that just kind of kept the groundedness to me throughout. So I think just the experiences of of just family.

• 14:52Jay Shetty?

  I like your point about hindsight. I've definitely made that call to my mom, for sure. Like, yeah, I made that call to my mom. We were around the same age. So for me, it's like, I made that call. And I think I made it probably like 25, maybe 26. Yeah, it was probably around then when I finally made that call. And not that I didn't love my mom before that, of course I did, but it was like that honest understanding of just how hard it was to do what she did, because she was raising two kids, she was dropping us to school, picking us up. She was the breadwinner of the family. She made us breakfast, lunch and dinner fresh every day, like. And you don't recognize that as a kid. You don't realize the sacrifice, the hustle, the and and always making you feel loved on top of doing all of that. It's hard work.

• 15:35Jay Shetty?

  You've talked to, you said that now you feel like you've got to a place that it's your path. What was that switch for you that went from like, I don't deserve this? God, like, I feel out of place. I'm lucky to being like, no, actually, now I see it as this was meant to be my path. Because I think a lot of people and a lot of our listeners will be there, like, a lot of people are like, they're making moves and maybe they're the first person in their family to go to college. Or maybe they're the first person who started up a business as an entrepreneur, or maybe one of our listeners is trying to break generational trauma and they're the first person to spot it.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:09Jay Shetty?

  And but then they all live in that space like, can I do this? Like, am I the one to do this? And so what was it that made that switch from like, I'm not sure I'm the guy, but oh, it is my path?

• 16:19Speaker 01

  It's the sum of all things leading up into that point. I think it's all the doubt. It's the imposter syndrome. It's the blessings that you can't really accept fully. And you listen to other people speak who are successful, or you see examples that you kind of feel connected to, like, man, that that kind of feels like me. Or what he just said, or what she just said, I kind of, I resonate with that, you know? I feel like that sometimes, you know? Other people who are looking at you saying, no, Mike, this is what you have. This is what you can be. This is what you are.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  Nah, nah, I can't, no, that's that's too good. No, that ain't me, you know? Your own presence in a situation where you have to step back and look at yourself and be like, am I this guy right now? Like, oh, man, there's a room for the people who showed up because of something I'm doing and they're in service or in support of my idea, my thing, okay? That that looks and feels like I'm the guy, okay? You're in, I'm in the industry where, you know, you're, the success of your work and your art has been, you know, dictated and validated by other people's opinions.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  And whether those opinions are factual or projected on you from their own. Individual perspective. I think it was a combination of all those things. And I've always been curious and walked towards the how do I make myself better? What are the things that I need, the tools that I need in order to improve myself? The way I think, the way, how do I maximize myself, you know? So from, I think, getting a, you know, an executive coach, you know, who talks to executives all day and, you know, how to create healthy conversations,

• 18:23Speaker 01

  the right type of conversations to have as you're building a team around you. Cause you know, as you know, it's not just us, you know? We have an entire team of people that surround us, that help us achieve our dreams and get the big idea done. You know, a spiritual advisor, a spiritual coach that I have, who, you know, helps me do my energy work, my spiritual work, and help sift through the noise and find those things. And I think it wasn't until I had, you know, roles that challenged my spirit and myself in a real way, that in the weight and where the attention was so loud

• 19:05Speaker 01

  that it was, you know, it was deafening and it was, and I couldn't, you know, see clearly. And, you know, these champagne problems, you know what I'm saying? I, you know, you know that, like, you know, we're blessed. So, but the weight is so heavy, you know? And people sometimes think and they see what we have or what, you know, or what we're, you know, what we're doing and it's like, oh, just be grateful, you know? Or just, you know, what are you complaining about, you know? And, and, you know, most people wouldn't be able to walk, you know, a block in our shoes, you know, with this stuff. And I think it was. And then you have moments where you you resent things and you're angry at, you know,

• 19:50Speaker 01

  the feelings that you accumulate for not being clear or or not understanding, you know, why this, there's a lot of whys and you're not gonna get all the answers, but you wanna, you know, be able to get to a place where you're you're clear. So to answer the question, when did I decide, when did I like, you know, when did I feel like that? Maybe two years ago, maybe a year ago. You look at where your family has come from and shit, look at your bloodline, you know, you look, you look at, you know, your community, you're like, man, there's a cycle there from generation to generation that happens. When you get to yourself, you're like, man, can I stop this? Can I change this? I could do this. Once you, it's like, once you, once you know better, you gotta almost

• 20:35Speaker 01

  do better. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. And I I refuse to ignore it. I refuse to see it, an opportunity that I had to change things and act like it didn't exist. And I think that was the thing for me that was like, nah, I gotta, I gotta, if that's my purpose, if that's my path, is to just see it and I can see the pieces and if I can just continue to do this, or if I stay down the pathway on that, and I I might be able to make a big difference in my nephew's life, or my my my future children's, my future grandchildren's life, I gotta do that. Because there's so been so many people that might, that didn't, that that, it wasn't the perfect storm for them to have that opportunity.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  It wasn't the right time in the world, technology wasn't there, the resources, the right social conversations are being had for for us to have these platforms and speak and be successful the way we are, you know, you you gotta, you gotta do it. And and I I think that was a big part of it, you know, um, you know, understanding my own mortality, you know, and and understanding, you know, that, you know, life isn't, you know, isn't a forever thing. And I think that happens when you get older, too. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, just turned thirty seven, and it's like, wow, I vividly remember, you know, fifteen, I vividly remember twenty one, I remember vividly remember twenty five,

• 21:59Speaker 01

  thirty, you know, and I used to look at thirty five, thirty seven, like, like ancient, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, oh, man, we're here. And it's like, You gotta do what you gotta do while you're here and make an impact. You gotta fulfill your, you gotta fulfill yourself, whatever that may be, you know? And, uh, and I think, so yeah, so that, that moment for me where it was like, okay, I can do this. I can, maybe a couple of years ago, I think it was like, right as I was stepping into directing Creed 3. And the weight of that and being the captain of the ship the first time, being captain of the ship in a, you know, I've made movies before, you know, I've, I've, I've done that. I know what that's like.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  But I've never, ever been the director, you know, the, the captain of the ship. And I think that responsibility, that pressure, that, you know, I'm not a dad, you know, but being a, everybody's looking to you for the answer, for the solve, for the leadership. And I think that really thrust me into, uh, uh, my mindset of, of, uh, of leadership that I'd never quite had the opportunity to do before.

• 23:11Jay Shetty?

  Hmm, I, I mean, there's so much in that.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  Sorry, I said a lot.

• 23:14Jay Shetty?

  It's a great, I like it. I prefer it that way. Cause I'm, I'm connecting all the dots as you're speaking and there's a, I mean, there's so many things I wanna unpack with that. One of the things that really resonated is this idea that you had to challenge yourself. You had to do something out of your comfort zone in order to even recognize that you could become, that you could be and that you could develop. And often we're waiting to become before we take on the challenge. But it's the challenge that makes us become that person. And I think we've resist, even what you just said earlier about the opportunities. This idea that if you have opportu, and there's an eastern spiritual teaching which talks about, if you have opportunities and you don't take them, that's a disservice to humanity.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  One thousand percent.

• 24:00Jay Shetty?

  They're opening up to you. Without your, even without your will, sometimes, right? Like there's some of us and we'll sabotage ourselves because we'll say, oh, well, I didn't ask for that. I didn't, I didn't know that was for me. And so I love the idea of, anyone who's listening or watching, what Mike's saying, I love the idea of leaning into that opportunity that is opening up for you. And even if you don't have the skills and you don't have the talent yet, or you don't have all of the tools and the abilities, it's going to force you to develop them.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 24:29Jay Shetty?

  And, and you talk about the coaching, I want to go back to that and ask you about that because you want to be better mentally, physically, spiritually. It's, it's a big part of who you are. And even the projects you take on, which I want to dive into that. You said roles that challenge your spirit. Even that idea that you're looking at a role, not as, oh, what's the next movie to get me the thing? It's like, oh, that's going to challenge my spirit. I wanted to ask, what has been your best habit or tool uniquely that you've developed for your body, your mind and your spirit individually? What have been things that you've done with your coaches in different areas? That you think has brought about new epiphanies, opportunities and ideas?

• 25:11Jay Shetty?

  What have been those tools and hacks that maybe people could lock into as well?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Uh, I think there's a, this woman, Ramona Oliver, that I've known me my entire life. You know, she's my spiritual advisor and coach. And, and you know, I think starting the day, you know, in meditation, you know, you're taking a moment to clear yourself and prepare yourself for the day. It's so important to, to, to step out of your home with intent and intention. A lot of times it's, what are you projecting on a situation to help it manifest? Instead of negatively thinking about things that can help block your blessings. That's a big thing, you know? So I, so I think, I think, um, and we all have moments of negativity. That's part of it, you know? It's yin and yang, you're never going to fully get rid of that.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  But to practice those things in the morning, I think was a big help for me.

• 26:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, huge.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  You know, you shoot movies and you're doing things, you're walking out, you know, there's, there's, there's, you hear stories of people, but they just can't get a break sometimes. And, and for whatever reason, it could be from stepping off the curb, twisting the ankle to, you know, the parking ticket to the thing to the, oh, I just can't get a break. And, and there's certain people that, that carry this cloud, you know? And I think. Some of that can be contributed to the thought process and the thinking and the energy that you're putting into these things. And it's sometimes easier said than done, but to stop and to reframe and to clear yourself and to, you know, no, I'm walking in this light today. And see how much of a difference that can make.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  And more on the structurally side, this guy Drew Coogler, who, no relation to Ryan Coogler, who was an executive coach and, you know, as my ambitions grew from a production company to brand marketing consulting companies to, you know, just the products and the businesses, you know, the conversations I need to have with the team, you know, and leadership and the, everybody's coming from different backgrounds and how do you speak everybody's love language? Because everybody, you have to speak differently a little bit to everybody so they can receive it the way you meant it, you know? And I think having the quality of conversations is something that was really helpful for

• 27:29Speaker 01

  me, meaningful conversations, and giving people the space to hear me and also hold them accountable to the things that I need to hold them accountable for. I think the combination of the two allowed me to look at situations and opportunities differently, for people to look at me differently. Because it's also a troubling thing when you're walking around as talent for a long time, that's how they see you, you know? You have an identity. I have an identity. That's how, that's what they're, so there's this, there's these kid gloves that come along with that, you know what I'm saying? That is, it's not everybody's fault, that's, everybody's in a role, you have to sometimes

• 28:13Speaker 01

  step back and look at the thing that we're in, you know? Like, we're in an industry, you know, that has generations and generations of taught behavior and practices that any positive disruptor has to understand those things in order to disrupt them in a way. Absolutely. And evolve them, you know? And things are evolving, you see it, you know, that things are evolving in a way and if you can look at it in a

• 28:41Speaker 01

  You know, in a higher way, I think you can find your way through that.

• 28:45Jay Shetty?

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• 29:30Jay Shetty?

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• 30:11Jay Shetty?

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• 30:54Jay Shetty?

  That's indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. Yeah, yeah, that resonates. There's a, you reminded me of this beautiful statement from Mark Twain, where he said that history never repeats itself, but it always rhymes. And I find like, when you were talking about the industry, I was thinking about how if you don't study history, you have the rhyme happening in your life, but then you can't interrupt the pattern. So if you were a young star, which you were, I love The Wire as well. I've been a fan of the show. It's like, so you start in this industry early, and then you could spend years trying to figure out why you still have the kid gloves on.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:36Jay Shetty?

  Because you haven't studied that, wait a minute, that's what happens, that unless you disrupt the pattern, present yourself differently, show more of yourself, people are always gonna say, he's talent, he's an actor, that's what he does, as opposed to, oh, he's a director, oh, he's an entrepreneur, oh, he's an investor, right? I know you have lots of investments, all again, in the health and wellness space, like sports teams, and we're talking about masks as well. So it's interesting how much, if you don't study the history of our industry, we get locked in the identity of the role we've played in that space.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 32:09Jay Shetty?

  Forever.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 32:10Jay Shetty?

  And it's so easy for us to get used to feeling, and often we do it to ourself, because it's comfortable playing the same role. And there's a familiar feeling of when I play this role. And I felt that in my own small way, like when I went from having to create content to get my message out there, even though I wanted to do TV or film or whatever, couldn't get a break. And so I went to content. And then I launched a podcast, and I told you about why we launched this podcast earlier. And then I wrote books. And it was like, every time, it was like, oh, like, oh, we thought Jay was this, but oh, he's actually, oh, and I've had to go through that. And I've realized the hardest part is you letting go of that identity.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  And reinventing yourself.

• 32:54Jay Shetty?

  And allowing yourself, right?

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no, definitely. I mean, have you ever like, you know, has the podcast been something you always wanted to do? And this is me, I'm just curious, or is it something that you had to re, you forced yourself to reinvent yourself in a way? Because this isn't it for you.

• 33:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? I know it's not, you know, that this is a stop for you. This is a chapter in your book. Did you ever think I have to reinvent myself? Or was that a product of the things that were telling you no? Or the things that was challenging?

• 33:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's a great question. I think it's a mix of them all. But the thing that kind of like supersedes all of them, which I try and tap into, which I think you resonate with, because I think that's the conversation we're having, is having a connection with your intuition. Like for me, it's, I'm not looking at like, oh, what's the next trend? Or like, how do I disrupt myself? How, because to me, those things are still following other patterns.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 33:49Jay Shetty?

  Whereas it's intuitively going like, what is, what is the thing that I bring? Or what do I want to do? Or what is the, the, the missing piece of the puzzle? That I believe I have a unique qualification to fill.

• 34:02Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 34:02Jay Shetty?

  Because if I'm always looking around, there will always be a million things. Like I always say to people, if you go to a real estate conference, you'll realize you don't invest enough in real estate.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:10Jay Shetty?

  If you go, if you go to a cryptocurrency conference, you'll feel like, oh crap, I didn't do this. And if you, like, if I sit with a group of actors, I'll be like, oh, man, I should have studied. You're always gonna feel the deficiency of the trend that you study.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 34:24Jay Shetty?

  And so if you live that way around, it gets really complicated. Cause then you're like, well, do I do this or do I do that? Like, whereas when you, when you go inward, it's like, oh, I feel alignment.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:34Jay Shetty?

  With this right now.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:36Jay Shetty?

  Because it lets me express myself. It lets me connect with people in a certain way. I feel I'm at the right evolution in my journey, where it can manifest. As opposed to like, oh, let me just figure out what the next big thing is.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 34:48Jay Shetty?

  If that, if that.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  That makes so much sense, bro. And I think that's what it is. It's like your alignment with where you feel truthful.

• 34:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  You know, and, and sometimes that always doesn't mean you, you're gonna be financially okay.

• 35:01Jay Shetty?

  Totally.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  As well, you know, you know, like you can feel spiritually aligned and everything. And mortgage is due, you know, rent is due. You feel me? So, so there's that element of it as well, that you have to find your, your way through. Yeah, that, that intuition, that, that North Star is what, is something that has led me all types of places that I wouldn't trade in for the world. You know, just that feeling of this feels right. And I know, does it make sense?

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Probably, there's probably some other things on paper that that seems like the better option or choice, but this feels right. And, and, you know, more often than not, you know, it's, it's been the right move.

• 35:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love what you were saying earlier about how the thought process is such a powerful way of breaking out over the cloud over your head. And I think we all have moments where the cloud feels like it's never moving. It's constantly raining on you. And I think a lot of people who are listening may feel that way. Like, have you ever been in that place? And, and how have you, what has helped with your thought process? Has you been tuning that? What's worked for you at least?

• 36:13Speaker 01

  That's your moment. That's your moment. It's not the all is lost. When you're feeling the most trapped and, and down and nothing can't go right. I feel like those are the moments that define you. Those are those character canon moments that are like, what am I gonna do now? You know?

• 36:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  How do you respond to that? And thinking your way, feeling your way, working your way through those things on the other side. It's like, you know, I don't know who said the saying, but like usually, you know, you're the closest to getting what you want is always the hardest. It's always the feeling when you're getting ready to, you know, people give up right before they get what they've always wanted to get. People quit and they give up. And I will not be the person who quit before I got what I wanted, or what I needed, or what I felt I was supposed to have, you know? Like, and if that wasn't for me, it wasn't for me. I'mma keep grinding. I'mma keep knocking on the door until I get what I feel. That's been something I've always felt since having the name Michael Jordan

• 37:17Speaker 01

  and understanding that there was another guy out there named Michael Jordan that was the best ever to do something. And being teased and picked on about that and, and, and, and made me for a moment not wanting to play sports. But then it was like, nah, I'm actually gonna make sure I'm competitive. I'm gonna compete. At least I'm gonna compete. You're gonna at least see me. I'm gonna be somebody that it's not gonna be, oh, his name is this. It's gonna be, oh, no, but he can play. Or, oh, no, he can, oh, he, he has something about him, something that is formidable, that is above average, that is, that is unique to him. And, and it gave me a healthy chip, you know? So, so, and, and for the people who are listening, who, you know, who do have.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  You know, that doesn't feel like they can change the circumstances with the way they think or they feel, just hold on, just endure, endure, you know. Look at things differently, challenge yourself to look at things as the glass half full. Challenge yourself to think four steps ahead. Think your way through it, like now we have so many tools, we have so much information. There's a lot of misinformation out there, but there's so much information to be curious. Find something that you, that does resonate with you, even if it's not in the world that you ever thought you would be in. Find something that you align with and, cause everybody aligns with something. And that's not an excuse I'm willing to take from anybody, you know.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Align with something and find your positivity, find your intuition within that thing. And, and be obsessed about it.

• 38:54Jay Shetty?

  What have you been obsessed with lately, like what would you say is the thing you're most obsessed with right now? Or, or that you have been in the past couple of years that is kind of just attracted and.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  I've been obsessed with getting my team right. I've been obsessed with getting the right personnel on the right brain frequency. And getting everybody on the same page to, to accomplish these things that we need to go accomplish. Because I truly believe it's gonna be better for everyone. I think it's really gonna make an impact, you know. And, and so there's, there's a, there's a obsessiveness that you gotta have to over communicate, to follow up, to be redundant, to be consistent, you know, that you need and, and I'm obsessed about it, you know. Strengthening my family, I'm obsessed over it, you know, to lead by example, you know,

• 39:51Speaker 01

  and break generational trauma and curses, I'm obsessed over it.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  And I'm obsessed over every project that I lend myself to. So this next movie that me and Ryan's doing, I'm literally, you know, I'm growing all my stuff out, you know what I mean? My hair and stuff out now, I'm becoming obsessed with it, you know, and that character and. It's it's a it's an addictive feeling to have a thought and see it come to fruition. To create something out of, out of, you know, out of an, from an idea.

• 40:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Um, and to be persistent and to see it and to manifest it, you know, manifestation. I just love it, you know what I mean? This is cool. So, so that's something that I've been, I've been really, really, um, locked in with. And I think it's also something that is going to help people, you know? There's, there's always a, I don't want anything that's not multi hyphenated. I, I want, I want anything that I'm involved in, it, it, it has to have layers to it.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  You know, how do you help? How do you educate? What's to leave behind? What blueprint am I leaving for the next generation? You know, I got a nephew now, you know, that is looking up at me constantly. Yes, because of height, but also because of the example. You know, and he's mimicking everything I do. He mimicking anything. I can say something, do something, I can sit a certain type of way. Oh snap, he's doing it too. Crazy. So it clarifies your intention when you do things because you want it to have, you know, purpose and intention, you know? So tho- those are the things, and I'm obsessed with being the best version of myself. And that's a daily thing, you know?

• 41:39Speaker 01

  Um, and some days are better than others. Finding my, myself in a world where there's so many seen opinions about yourself. Uh, when everybody's telling you who and what you are, you know, learning how to live. You know, growing up in, like, and it's so wild. I've been doing this for 25 years, straight. You know, and that's a wild thing to think about. But man, more than half of my life has been my identity, was been through the work that I've been doing. And, and growing up in with, you know, social media, what didn't exist, now it does. At a point where I'm old enough to understand what that can do.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  So I'm obsessed with finding myself now, uh, after, and, and, and not having to prove anything to anybody other than myself and my family, you know? But really myself. And realizing that that is enough. You know what I'm saying like that like giving your best is enough and and sometimes we lose track of that you know and and yeah so for anybody out there you know you're enough man

• 42:55Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely let's let's toast to that

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Let's toast to that yeah yeah yeah yeah shake it up

• 43:00Jay Shetty?

  Shake it up

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Yeah man and this is the pure so we have three flavors right now the mango ginger the pomegranate but this is the

• 43:07Jay Shetty?

  Cheers

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Ah cheers my god appreciate you bro

• 43:10Jay Shetty?

  I'm excited to try this

• 43:14Jay Shetty?

  Oh that's good that's easy

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Easy

• 43:16Jay Shetty?

  It's easy

• 43:17Speaker 01

  And anybody that's had like

• 43:18Jay Shetty?

  Refreshing yeah

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Sea moss in the past they might not they might not had a good experience because they either they like they they kind of you know tried to clean it and process it themselves

• 43:25Jay Shetty?

  It's so smooth

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Smooth

• 43:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Don't taste like the ocean but it tastes a little you know it's it's a little heightened

• 43:32Jay Shetty?

  It's like it's refreshing it's smooth and it's easy that's how I feel about it

• 43:37Speaker 01

  I love it

• 43:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah I'm like this is like

• 43:39Speaker 01

  And it's a great mixer you know you know I don't know if you know you want to do a we call them moss tails but like if you want to do like mocktails moss tails you know what I'm saying or if you want to mix them like with drinks like with with the spirits and stuff like that it's a really good uh yeah man I just this this is five years of of obsession uh you know obviously when you know health scares all over the place people you know not a lot of information on what's really going on what can help what cannot help I was you know finishing up a movie in Berlin um and you know doing my own stunts not sleeping a lot in a foreign place you know uh food was really wasn't really my thing as much and I was looking for something to kind of just help me get through my shoot days and

• 44:20Speaker 01

  um and I would just chug sea moss like I mean by the jar just to because I mean I was I it's gotta be doing good I know it's doing good you know just by the jar and and and then you know on the flight home I was like it's gotta be a better way

• 44:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah

• 44:34Speaker 01

  So I started making smoothies started you know blended them in and my sister was pregnant with my nephew Lennox at the time so you know at that point everybody was in their own bubble you know and you know you know wasn't able to kind of visit many people so we would just blend up smoothies drop them off at the front door you know that was my little care package that I would do I would do I would do sea moss and I would do like a you know a homemade little pasta and that was my act of service for my family you know so so so that that labor of love that that that kind of uh It started from a place of just trying to help my family, just like, you know, stay healthy during a pandemic. And it slowly evolved into something that I wanted to get, you know, uh, make it accessible to everyone.

• 45:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, for people who don't know the benefits of sea moss, what are some of the things and the properties?

• 45:18Speaker 01

  It's that cognitive brain, you know, it's that clarity, uh, your, your, your immune system. So being able to harvest them in a way that, that gets those nutrients inside of this drink in your daily dose of moss is something that I was really, really exciting me um about just like making a beverage about it.

• 45:36Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, the aftertaste is great, too.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  There's no, it's, it's there, you know, it makes you wanna drink more of it.

• 45:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, a hundred percent, yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  And um, and yeah, it's good, man, it's good and, and it's, uh, yeah, I'm proud of it.

• 45:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, congratulations.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Thanks, man, now we know we gotta go to yours, man, what's up?

• 45:53Jay Shetty?

  No, we left to do a, we left to do a moss tale now with the Judy and, Judy and Moss, yeah, yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  But I love it because Ashwanda, we got Ashwanda and ours as well and Gensink. So I mean, you, you, you got all the adaptogens in it, so that's great.

• 46:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, no, it's been, it's been a labor of love for us too. It's like me and my wife always talked about it as our COVID baby. It's like, this is what we were working on, because we were the same, we've been addicted to tea our whole lives. And we did a hot tea as well, but we were like, you know, for a lot of people, their hot drink is coffee. And we're like, well, wait a minute, what if your soda could be healthy for you and good for you? And, you know, how could we do it where it has, you know, zero grams of sugar? Like, how do you still get it to taste great with no sugar? Because me and my wife are both off of refined sugars and trying to be healthy and all the rest of it.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 46:37Jay Shetty?

  And then you realize that all the sodas you're drinking are, are full of it. So how do we make it easy for people to understand these herbs and these adaptogens? And, you know, because a lot of people, we grew up with it, we were lucky in, in our culture, in Indian culture, you grow up with a lot of these herbs and spices in your daily food.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 46:53Jay Shetty?

  And, but a lot of people don't have access to that. So it's like, how do you make it easy when people may not have in their kitchen? So yeah, man, I, I'll send you some to try later as well.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Please do, man, I see you got the agave in there and everything and I, I love this, man.

• 47:05Jay Shetty?

  I was loving what you were saying about. The building of teams. Because and and something you said was like, how do you keep everyone on like the free same frequency and like attract those people? And I went, I went through a big thing for that in a certain part of my work around two years ago. A lot of people that are in my sphere today, some of them have been around since the beginning and and some of them came on in the last two years. And it has been life changing.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:29Jay Shetty?

  Like absolutely life changing from an energy standpoint, from a spirit standpoint and from a productivity effectiveness standpoint. How have you been trained or what are you, how do you sense beyond like someone being able to do the job, obviously? How have you been able to learn how to sense or understand whether someone's on that same brainwave and as you said, or brain energy as you are? And and has that same value set that you have?

• 47:55Speaker 01

  I think it's a lot of conversations and and and sometimes trial and error.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  I think my my intuition and my gut is is the first, you know, litmus test is the first kind of line of defense, you know, that I that I have of like energies vibe. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, that that that you feel on par, how, you know, how you answer a question? What are the things that you're saying, you know? Are you speaking from ego? Are you speaking about, you know, what what is the, what is the thing, you know, you, you know? We're used to, we meet so many people, we have to use quick judgments. And who gets our time, you know, who do you open up to, who do you not? And I think when it comes to building into a team, especially nowadays, you're coming into something that's that's well oiled.

• 48:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  You're coming into a machine already. So you have to fit, not just with me, but you have to kind of fit with everybody. You know, you you you have to know how to communicate the things you need to know how to communicate to you have to. The the ego is something that can get in a lot of people's way when joining a team or joining something that's already really established. And I think I think coming to a place of learning and listening is really important and not taking things personally. I I think I think and then it's something to the people that's already been in the team to understand that there's going to be additions. And there is a process of there's an onboarding, there's a welcome, there's a thing that you have to to bring people into the fold in a way to get the best out of them. So I think there's been, there's been those learning things along the way that's really, that really helped me identify people who

• 49:28Speaker 01

  that fit and work well within the circle, you know? And and yeah, I think that's been my my kind of process thus far. And then, yeah, I always want to create an environment where people want to be.

• 49:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  You know, you're not here for a check.

• 49:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  You you're here because you believe in what we're doing and what we want to do. And I'm pretty transparent about those things, you know, so. So I think I think just being extremely transparent and and and forward with those things and. And and know that it's nothing personal, this isn't it, you know, like I'm I'm the best, I'm the. I'm the guy that's always going to give you a great recommendation. You know what I mean? Like, I'm I want I want people to win.

• 50:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  You know, at the end of the day, I want people to win and and. Seeing somebody in their strengths. You know, and being like, OK, I can I can use that, that this this this would be helpful in this way. Um, and if that works out, it works out. And if not, then, man, I man, I want to see you do well.

• 50:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that. Yeah, we I remember years ago, I was listening to Eric Schmidt, who was the CEO of Google for a bit.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:27Jay Shetty?

  And he was talking about how they were looking for smart creatives. And I love that, that they had two words that kind of. Summed up what they looked for. They they look for people who are smart creatives. And for me, it became. Humble champions. I was like, I want humble winners. I want I want the people who can. Who want to win and have that ambition, but are able to put their ego aside, because then we're going to speed up. Getting there, because the thing that slows you down from winning is ego, like.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  One thousand percent.

• 50:49Jay Shetty?

  The thing that stops you from passing the ball is ego, or, you know, bowing out and saying it's your turn is ego. And so. But but you still have to have that championmanship, because it isn't just about, oh, yeah, no, no, no, you do your thing like. And that was a big thing. And then the other thing that worked for me was I was like. I need to work with people that I could go to breakfast, lunch, or dinner with if we didn't work together.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Yes, man, that's good.

• 51:09Jay Shetty?

  Do I actually want to go to breakfast, lunch, and dinner with this person? Because I probably will be.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 51:13Jay Shetty?

  When I'm traveling or on the road. That means I like spending time with them, which means I'm happy to coach them.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:19Jay Shetty?

  And I'm happy to learn from them.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 51:21Jay Shetty?

  Whereas if I don't want to, and and initially, I was like that. I used to just hire people who were great at what they did. We didn't really have chemistry. Like, we didn't, we didn't, we couldn't hang out. And that wasn't because they were wrong. It was also because I wasn't aware.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 51:34Jay Shetty?

  And and then, of course, yeah, the mission, the purpose is, I mean, that's core and central.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Because even for you, I mean, you're spending time from your family, where, you know, your team becomes your extended family. They they.

• 51:45Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  They are your family. You're eating, like I said, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you know, like, there's there's a part of you that. You know, it has to feel like I'm getting a little bit of my family here. And if it's not that, you know, it's really hard for me, you know? And obviously, like, you know, you have a bigger company and there's employees and you're not going to be as personal with everybody within the company. You know, you're not having breakfast at your dinner with everybody. But, but there's a, there's a, there's a feeling of, you know, I, I don't mind on a Sunday, everybody at my house, watching the game, spending time. Cause that's when, not the nine to five time to be creative or the nine to five time to do the job. That's the, that's the extra mile.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  That's the, oh, I had this idea and I was just thinking, oh, oh, we're looking at something together and this would be great. Though the best ideas sometimes come from those just hangout moments. And those moments where you're just spending time with, with, with people that you work with. So, yeah, I think that, yeah, you're right. That's, that's really important.

• 52:43Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, for sure. When I, before the obsession point that came up, which, which was fascinating, I'm glad I asked you that and you went, you went into it. You're talking about like, you know, you, you live in an industry and you talked about social media where people have an opinion of you. People, people, even an opinion is that people have a lens because they've seen you in a particular light. And I was wondering like, what do you think something that people get right about you? And what's something that people sometimes get wrong about you? Like, what, what do you feel like when it comes to that? Like, I'll tell you mine. Like, I feel like for me, a lot of people think that I get like often because of what I teach and what I'm sharing and what I'm guiding. It's like, oh, well, Jay must get everything perfect all the time. And like, you know, he's like super deep and like always just saying profound things. And, and that's not true, obviously, because as much as that is who I am and that is my heart,

• 53:28Jay Shetty?

  I'm not always like that. Like, I have, I have bad days, I have bad moods, I have off days. I have, I have days when I'm not feeling that way, right? And so that's, that's something that people get wrong about me sometimes in the, in that perception. Because, but I'm dedicated to this work. I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with being better, but that doesn't remove me from having flaws and weaknesses. And, and so, yeah, yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  You should do a blooper reel. You should do a blooper outtake reel of those moments. You have your team catch you in these little moments and you should put one out. That'll be fun.

• 53:59Jay Shetty?

  That'll be fun.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  That'll be fun.

• 54:01Jay Shetty?

  I like that, I like that.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  That'd be a good one.

• 54:04Jay Shetty?

  I like that.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  I think for me is like. I think I've intentionally stayed out the way so much where I'm not giving anybody any, anything to go off of, other than what I want you to know. You know, I think, I think that's been it for a long time. I've always had the approach of like, not speaking on things and not giving them life. You know, there's, there's, there's gonna be perspectives and there's things about you that just aren't true.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Do you, do you care to correct somebody or not? You know, cause most of the time people's minds are made up, no matter what you say. It is what it's gonna be, you know, stay out the comment section. You know what I mean? You get some great entertainment in there, but then you can get a lot of stuff that is just people who want to project the thing that's gonna get the most attention. And the issue that I have with a lot of that is, they can be completely false. And we have a, an industry of, we were talking earlier, the lack of journalism, the skill of that, that will run with those things, knowing that there is no basis to them. But now that's a narrative that's attached to you, that you have to be strong enough and strong minded enough to ignore, knowing it's not true.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  Or this human nature feeling of wanting to, no, that's not true. I want people to know this about me. And I've always walked on that line of, you know, not caring, trying not to care. And knowing that I'm enough and, and, and knowing my truth. And the people who know me, know me. You know, I am about my community and my people, you know, wholeheartedly. And a lot of the choices that I make and the things that I wanna do and be a part of, is in service of that bigger picture. You know, of, of helping that, you know, my community in a, in a big way. So I think the biggest thing sometimes, if, if they ever feel like that they're not

• 56:01Speaker 01

  my top priority, is maybe one of the biggest misconceptions.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  You know, the, the love I have for my community. Regardless of people's approach, I think everybody has a different strategy and approach to how they affect and make change. Everybody, it doesn't all look the same.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  And because it may not be typical, or the average voice, because the package is different. And The craft in my field is different. So I have a different set of boundaries that exist in my lane that I maneuver without, in and out of. Like, I love playing chess. I love, I love, I love strategy. I love, I love reverse engineering and building things. So I, I think, I think that's one of the, the biggest things and, you know, sometimes ignorance and a laugh or a joke or a like or a thing, we've,

• 57:09Speaker 01

  we've encouraged the behavior of negativity and things and loudness is all, is the thing. And, and, and that's just not what, that's not what I'm into.

• 57:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  I'm into the love of things. I'm into the, the humanity and bringing people together the best way. And also I'm human.

• 57:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. No, I, I appreciate that. I mean, I, I also think we've put a false pressure on the definition of authenticity, meaning you share everything with everyone. And I'm not sure I vibe with that definition. Because I think authenticity by nature is you sharing what you feel comfortable with each person. Like, that's what it means to be authentic. And you could argue that authentic just means being however you want to be in any given situation. And so I think there has become a false pressure of, oh, you gotta show you're authentic by showing every part of yourself. And I don't know if that, that triggers anything for you. It's like, what's the definition of authenticity for you? Or for me, that's what it is. But what is it for you?

• 58:11Speaker 01

  I think it's, um, but then in hindsight, there's a, there's a piece of it that not even just to go back, but there's, there's also like, maybe that's my insecurity framing what the loudness of the things that I'm most sensitive of. Is, is this noise somehow?

• 58:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it triggers us for a reason. It, it, you know what I'm saying? There's some stuff that you just go, oh, yeah.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, whatever. But it's like, but it's the stuff that's just like, man, like, why does that, but why does that bother me so much?

• 58:42Jay Shetty?

  Yep.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Like, there's something, there's something about that, that, because I know what that does in the bigger, like, I'm always thinking bigger picture. It's very rarely that I really focus on the thing. It's always about what's the cause of that in a bigger conversation, you know? The, the authenticity to me.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Is being able to sleep at night, being able to go talk to my mom and knowing that the people that know me, every fiber of my being, every my intention knows my heart through and through, that they see the same person. They're able to connect with the same energy and the same vibe and the same spirit. My energy has never changed. You know, I think being authentic to that frequency is super important to me. No matter where I go, no matter how I evolve, um, and have to mature and grow up. I want my energy to always feel the same. That's why when you meet certain people and it's been years that go by and you pick right back up where you left off, it feels like no time is lost. That energy is never, it's always the same.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  And I, I love when people I haven't seen in a long time or come to me like, man, whoa, it feel, you know, it's the same. And that, and that just lets me know that I'm not losing myself. I'm not losing track of, you know, who I am.

• 1:00:01Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  And where I come from. And I, I am always going to be an agent of change, Trojan horse or not, you know what I'm saying? And, and yeah, you're just, and continue to lead by example. You know, I, I know, I know, um, the path that I'm on isn't easy. You know, sometimes it may look easy, you know, uh, for the successes or whatever, but, but it's, uh, behind closed doors, I'm doing, I'm doing the, the, the work. So the future generations have it a little bit easier or have a little bit more tools to use.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  And they can ask for certain things that won't be like, what? It'd be almost standard for them, you know? And, you know, from my vantage point, I'm able to see a lot of the road blocks that exist within systems, you know, and, and paperwork and precedents. I've been chipping away at those where I can in places. And there's so many, look, I say I a lot in this interview, there's so many people out there that are doing that type of work, you know, that exist, men and women in these places that are breaking down doors, that are chipping away. It's like Shawshank Redemption, you know, rock at a time, gravel at a time, you know?

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  Eventually that hole's going to be open, you know what I'm saying? Eventually it's going to be open, but just chipping away and. Unfortunately, everybody can't be the loudest one in the room. You know, gotta be, sometimes you gotta be the quiet guy in the room. You gotta listen and look and pay attention and move how you need to move. The chess pieces, they have different rules and different movements for a reason. You know, and they're on the board in different places for a reason. And I know my place on the board.

• 1:01:53Jay Shetty?

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• 1:03:58Jay Shetty?

  And I think that's what it comes down to, right? It's like, I appreciate you bringing out that point around how things that trigger us, give us somewhere to focus on in ourselves, within ourselves. Like, I feel like that too. Like, I'm like, there's certain things that just don't faze me at all. And I can look like the most detached guy and like, I'm, you know, I'm bulletproof.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:21Jay Shetty?

  And then there's something that gets through that vest.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  It's just like.

• 1:04:24Jay Shetty?

  And, and you know, it's because there's a part of it that feels true. And, and there's a part of you that you've allowed for it to feel true. Because it could be that you are, there's, there's a part of your self-esteem you haven't worked on. There's, there's something you took from your childhood and made true for you. And now when someone else says it and you didn't even know where it came from. But, you know, I was talking to a friend the other day and we were talking about how one of his mentors was letting him down. And we discovered in that, I've been friends with this guy for like 20 years. We're best mates. And it was like, 20 years later, we figured out that he'd made his mentor his father figure.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:02Jay Shetty?

  And he didn't really put two and two together until just now, and neither did I for him. And he was like, wait a minute, no wonder I'm feeling so much pain with this mentor of mine because I'd made him a father figure and gone through that feeling of he's Superman. And now realizing he's not, even though I'm a 40-year-old man for him. And so it's just so interesting how the stuff that gets under our skin.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Jay Shetty?

  It, it can just be hidden there and it gets stale and stuck. And, and then you don't look at it because you're like, oh, no, no, it's nothing, it's nothing. But at one point, when you feel safe enough, you have to kind of like look under the hood and go, you know, why is that there? But coming on to the point you were just making around paving the way for others and setting an example and the responsibility that comes with. And like you said, there's so many people doing that. I feel like, how would you define your current purpose? Like, how do you define with everything you're doing? Cause you talked about purpose being a big thing for you and you talk about the mission of your company. Like, what is the purpose of that work? Which doors are you trying to open? Which paperwork are you trying to shift? What systems are you trying to affect?

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  I think I have my purpose right now.

• 1:06:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's what I mean, yeah.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  You know, I think, I think I have a, a chapter. 25 years acting, you know, producing, you know, being in front of the camera, being talent, learning so much about the world, about myself, about the industry. You know, I think. Being a representative from my community in a way that places that a black actor hasn't gone, you know, obviously you have the greats, you have the Wills and the Denzels, you know what I'm saying, that I look up to in a big way that, you know, that through their talent, the business and the craft has extended to a new height. So they've opened up doors for me that I didn't even know was possible. And I was like, oh, wow, now we have this and that. Now I could do that and do that. So they've kicked the door down in a way that's

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  like, you know, eternally grateful. So like, leading by example is a big purpose, you know, for people to be able to see it. Because it was big for me to see it and think that I can do it too. So there's that, there's that part of it. There's the, the business side of things that I've got an opportunity to learn from investing your money. You know, what do you do with the savings and the things that you do have? I'm a big sports guy, you know, I've always wanted to, you know, own a team. I'm competitive. I wanted to be involved in that, in that, in that environment, that energy, you know, of sports and found a football team, you know, in Bournemouth. Soccer, as in football in my world. Yeah, football in your world. Football in my world, yeah.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  I've literally had to like, you know, bite my, I cannot say soccer anymore. No, say football. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and great, great partner, you know, Bill Foley, and he owns the Las Vegas Golden Knights and, and really trying to turn that program around and, and just, just amplify it in a big way. But learning, you know, how to invest in those things, you know, oh, there's going to be a new stadium. Oh, there's opportunity to invest in real estate. Oh, wow, now invest in real estate and something that's going to be around for, you know, however many year lease and this and that. Okay, cool, I could take that. And

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  oh, wow, investing in, you know, started a JV for, you know, underneath an umbrella company to have your own product. And then from there, you can create another JV. Oh, you can invest capital. Oh, you can have a venture. Oh, oh, snap. Okay, wow, this is a whole other game. This is a whole other nuance of acquisitions and investment and capital that I'd never even knew existed. I'm, I'm used to, you know, W nine forms and taxes, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? All that, you know, on the, on the talent side, there's a whole other game to be played. And And taking that information, just the information that that exists.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  And what that would do to, you know, to, to the next generation, you know, knowing what's available to him. Knowing that there's other ways to maximize my, my, my brand, you know, your brand. Creating things, ownership of things. As streamers and studios and there's, there's so many other platforms that are, you know, people are content crazy. You know, podcasts, you know, it's become a business as well, you know, a new, you know, a new venture that, that people will be able to monetize their own, their own following, their own, their own likeness in a real way. Retirement, what does that look like really? You know, do, you know, really, a will, well, leaving a will behind, like what?

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  Like, I mean, no, I mean, there's things that you just don't get taught, you know, there's nobody, you know, so, so I've stumbled on it, upon it. These things within my success and my intuition and my partnerships and my relationships that, but again, it goes back to like the why me? This one guy, you know, that has got, has gotten access to all these things and my man over here or my guy over there, nope. That you guys would never know about none of these things because of how, whatever your life path has taken you has not been in these areas. Or nobody's had the opportunity to say those things to you. So I put that on me as a purpose to be able to, to give that information, you know, in a real way. That's real.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  And identify the, you know, people that are hungry enough and, you know, that want it, you know, that want it, they gotta want it and they gotta be, then come on, let's go figure it out. All right, let me, let me, let me figure out how to help set you up with the right people. So you got the right conversations. You know, and then you also gotta be careful who you help too. You know, you can't, you know, you wanna help everybody, but you can't help everybody. But you can't leave a blueprint for everyone, you know? Sometimes that's all a person should need sometimes is seeing it and, and being in, in, in the thought. Then you gotta leave it on the person to do their, their part of the work to lift that part of the weight.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  To put on that burden, to go do that for themselves, their family, their, their, their, their people within their, their circle, so.

• 1:11:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, for sure. I like that, man. That's, I mean, it's super powerful because I think, yeah, so many people don't have access, don't understand, don't have the language, don't have the vocabulary. It's a, it's a huge purpose. What do you do when it all just gets too much? When you're like, it's a lot.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:11:22Jay Shetty?

  You know, cause you're on shoot days, you're busy, you got this kind of like, what do you do when it all gets too much? What's the first thing?

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  I try to go to Japan. I try to get on the first thing smoking to Japan. I'm out of here. Uh, it's one of the few places that I've been that I, I feel like I just exist.

• 1:11:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  You know what I'm a part of? I've been, uh, growing up, I've been obsessed with anime. I'm a big anime guy, you know? So since I was like, you know, eleven, twelve years old, it's been anime, you know? And that's been my cartoons, comic books, anime. I mean, that's just like my, you know, uh, escapism, which I'm, I'm in that. And, you know, growing up, watching those shows, you, they, there's so much of their identity in their culture, in dialogue and messaging and all that stuff. So I just had this idea, this place in my head that, that was full of respect and was hospitable and, uh, hard work and tradition. And, you know, I mean, thousands of years of, you know, a couple thousand years of tradition, you know what I'm saying? That, you know, that, that exists.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  And, and I was like, man, I wonder what, is this place gonna live up to the expectation? Obviously the food and the culture, all that good stuff. And, uh, yeah, when I went, it, it was, it was everything that I thought it would be and more, you know? Um, and obviously I went, went the right type of way. I, you know, I created anime as well, you know, I wanted to like, you know, cause it, they're, they're, they're so loving and, and, and, um, welcoming in a really big way. And yeah, for, for me, going there, there's not a, you know, a million phones being out, everybody, they're very respectful of your space there. And people are gonna obviously come up and say what's up, you know, that's, that's what's gonna happen, but it's, it's in a way where you don't feel like I have to hide as much.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  I feel like I could walk down the streets there a little bit more loosely and that's something that, you know, I don't really have as much here in L A or, you know? New York, you get a little bit more of it, you know what I'm saying? You can kind of like, you know, cause people in East Coast sometimes do really like, eh, whatever. And keep it pushing, but it's, it's, it's a, it's a different thing, but something about Japan that was awesome and. You know, and another place that I can't wait to really go is Ghana as well. Dad's been spending a lot of time there.

• 1:13:30Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  I haven't like for my skip, for whatever reason, every time I'm trying to go, something that I cannot change pops up. But but that's a place that people tell me stories of the similar feeling of going there and the love and affinity of being in that place. And really want to go there as well. So so that that that so if I can't get to Japan, I'm usually at the house. I'm either cooking or playing like Call of Duty. I'm playing I'm playing Call of Duty online, you know what I'm saying, with my boys back back, you know, from from all over. And and and you know, it's a place where you could, you know, it's fair game, you know, it's even playing field, you know what I'm saying? You know, some mindless, you know, kind of, you know, you know, camaraderie with your boys and stuff, you know, it's.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  I love cooking. Food is a love language for me, you know, so so being able to, you know, find a recipe or and try something new and combine flavors is probably you never thought would go together and just creating those those moments is another form of art, too. And and and I like people enjoying people eating my food, you know, like like serving people and be like, you know, I normally don't like lamb, but have you had it like this?

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  And then and it's having people just, you know, react to that is is a is a um is something that I enjoy doing too.

• 1:14:44Jay Shetty?

  Now with Bournemouth, we're gonna have to get you into FIFA as well.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  FIFA, yeah, I gotta get on FIFA, that's the best one.

• 1:14:49Jay Shetty?

  That's my that's my thing, yeah, yeah, that's my that's my guilty pleasure.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Get some easy wins at first, so we'll we'll start off.

• 1:14:56Jay Shetty?

  I'll be Bournemouth.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  You'll be Bournemouth, okay, all right, cool, got it.

• 1:14:59Jay Shetty?

  You pick, you pick, yeah, we good. Dude, you've been amazing today. I've got a few more questions to ask you before I let you go. That this question is like, what has been a lesson you wish you learned earlier in life? Like, is there a lesson that you learned recently that you're like, I wish I learned this one earlier?

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  I think being unapologetically honest with what you want. And that and that goes across the board. I was trying to think of something that kind of crossed the board. If you can communicate your truth.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  And not worry so much about how somebody's gonna react to what you say. Because a lot of times, the fear of how somebody's gonna react to what you really wanna say is what stops you from saying it sometimes. And you find another way, or you put it off, or you don't say it. And then maybe the situation doesn't change. And you get frustrated and upset, but why this thing doesn't change? Because you kinda, maybe you might not have said it the way you wanted to say, you know? And I think there's a, you know, a way to be unapologetically and still be respectful. And speak your truth. If, I think I would have done that earlier.

• 1:16:11Jay Shetty?

  Well said, yeah.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  I would have been further along in relationships that I have with people I care about. And not intimately, I mean, I mean, I mean, across the board. Work relationships, business, family, female friends, you know? Whatever it may have been, I think being honest with where you stand and how you feel, it's really giving another person an option and opportunity to be as honest with you. And whatever your fear of that is, of that outcome, is never really as big as what you make it up to be, you know? It's really not that. So I would say, I would say maybe just being, being, being honest and and living with the results, you know?

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  And tomorrow is not promised to anyone. But time will move on, you know? You will move past it, you know? And if tomorrow never come, at least you can know that you said what you needed to say.

• 1:17:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  You know, so I think that's one thing that I feel like earlier on, if I could, if I had that, might have been better.

• 1:17:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's a thoughtful answer. I was thinking when you were saying that, it's like we're so scared of our honesty hurting someone. Not realizing that us holding back our honesty is an enemy even more, and longer term.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:17:28Jay Shetty?

  It's a hard, it's a hard one because. When you have to be honest, it makes you look worse. It makes you feel bad. It makes that person feel bad. It gets messy on so many levels.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  But what if that person needed to hear it?

• 1:17:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  You know, what if that person never heard that note? Or that thought or perspective? And then they go on in life, you know, continuing to, you know, move and act and speak in a way without that, you're doing almost a disservice, you know? It goes back to like knowing, if you know better, you gotta do better, right? Like, so I think that kind of maybe speaks to like a bigger thing with me of like wanting to just be better? And wanting people around me to be better and grow? You know, because I guess going back to, you know, just the other misconceptions, like, you know, thing of people look at me and think I got everything. I got it all, you know? It's not true, man. Like, I'm flawed, you know?

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  And I'm actively trying to get better daily, you know? And I fail all the time. And I come up short all the time on even how to communicate. No matter how much coaching I go through and, you know, and practice and running conversations through my head, you know, in the shower and like, all right, I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say that, I'm gonna hit that point. Okay, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, I'm just in the, I'm trying to do my best, you know? And I think the weight to try to live up to everybody's perfect expectation of me has been really, really heavy for a long time, you know? And I think the last couple of years, I've been trying to maneuver out of that.

• 1:19:04Jay Shetty?

  Mike, we end every episode of On Purpose with a final five.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:09Jay Shetty?

  These five questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:12Jay Shetty?

  So it can be one sentence. I will ask you to explore it further if there's something that hits me. All right, so Mike, these are your final five. The first question is, your ones have two parts. I've never done this before, but we do, I'm about to do it because I think there's some things I really wanna know. So the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard? And the worst advice you've ever had?

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Best advice is if you're unsure about something, take a moment. You know, if you're unsure, uh, don't, don't, don't answer right away. Take a moment, think about it. It's okay. You know, don't answer just because you feel you gotta be out and be quick and be fast about it, you know? Uh, cause you'll end up stumbling over your words and, and, and, or not stumbling over your words, saying something that you don't really, really mean. So I would say that's probably some of the best advice I got. Worst advice? Uh, buy it now, you'll get it back.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Just whatever, just spend it now. You'll, you'll, you'll make it back. You know what I'm saying? I, I, I think, I think, I think that's right. I think that's probably some of the worst advice I've got.

• 1:20:12Jay Shetty?

  That's bad, man.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  I think at the time, it was clothes.

• 1:20:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  At the time, it was clothes. It was clothes. It was, it was, it was, uh, and I wasn't even really a big clothes guy at the time. I was like, eh, whatever. But it was like, yeah, you're right. You might, I'll make it back. Don't worry about it. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, of course I will. You know, like, yeah. And then, and then, you know, we're on a seven 11 diet for the next, you know, two months.

• 1:20:38Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Good answers, good answers. All right, I'm gonna give you a choice.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:42Jay Shetty?

  You gotta pick, pick one of these. You gotta choose, you choose. Whichever one. Yeah, yeah, all right.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  I wanna know what the other one is.

• 1:20:55Jay Shetty?

  I'll let you talk about this one first.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  This is, this is, um.

• 1:20:59Jay Shetty?

  How old?

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  Dog, it's my dad's dog tags from the Marines.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  That linen jacket says, "All my children." I'm saying maybe seven, 16, 17? Maybe like Disney like Super Soap Weekend or something like that. I think it was like one of those things where like the soap operas had this, this weekend in, in, at, uh, I think it was in Cali, in California. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Disney and, um, I wanna say this is from that. Is that?

• 1:21:34Jay Shetty?

  No, I didn't know. I was saying, yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  I wanna say that, man.

• 1:21:37Jay Shetty?

  What advice would you, what advice would you give to him?

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Uh, savor those moments of being a teenager. I think, you know, looking back at the teenage years, you know?

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  We have a worry, we, we, what, what problems we have, you know? It was high school, you know, complaining about homework, you know what I'm saying? Like, it, it, you know, I was, I was working at that time, you know what I'm saying? So, but, but I would just say like, enjoy those years, man, you know, of just, of just, uh, of the purity of it. You know, I look back and I was like, man, this is like, this is, this is a pretty pure, it's a kid.

• 1:22:17Jay Shetty?

  What would he say back to you now, looking at you now?

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Maybe I know you could do it. You know, I, I think I would tell myself that you could do it too.

• 1:22:27Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  I, I, I think, I think, you know, nobody thought, I, I mean, I didn't at that time, you know? I think, you know, what, what, what could have been, what, what is? He had a, you know, I thought I had an idea of what could be, you know? I had a, I always had the optimism of what could be, you know? It was just like, is follow that more maybe?

• 1:22:50Jay Shetty?

  I love that, man. This is the other one.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Two! Ah, this is dope.

• 1:22:57Jay Shetty?

  We got plenty, we just picked these two. These are the two that the team loved.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  I don't know if this is my birthday or my sister's birthday, but this is my grandmother's kitchen. And, uh, my sister was right there. And I think she was either helping me cut a cake or something, but yeah, that's my, that's my, my, my, that was my, my guardian, that was my, my, my bodyguard, that was my sister. It's a good one.

• 1:23:18Jay Shetty?

  I love it.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:19Jay Shetty?

  I love it, man. Um, all right, question number, I don't know which question we want now, because I totally ignored my own format. But it's all right, that's the best, that's the best one, it's the best. What's, what's the best part of being Michael B. Jordan and the worst part of being Michael B. Jordan?

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  Being Uncle Mike. Man, it's a feeling of like, with my nephew and my niece, that I've never had, I've never loved something so much. It like, wow, like, whoa. Like, I think, I think being Uncle Mike right now is, is, is the best part of that right now. Um, worst part, I love multitasking, I love, I love, I love, uh, the juggling, the balancing act of the things that I do, I love that. And the worst part is the... The loneliness that comes with that. You know, I think there's a, there's a, there's a, you know, a loneliness that I have. You know, the, the responsibility that you have and is, is, is isolating. And the weight is isolating.

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  So I think, I think the worst part of that is, is, is the, the feeling like nobody really understands. And, and sometimes falling into the spaces of like, just, you know, being alone. Feeling alone.

• 1:24:36Jay Shetty?

  Thanks for sharing everything today. I mean, okay, question number four, we're nearly there four and five. Question number four, uh, you talked about knowing your team's love language. This question is my team's love language.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:24:45Jay Shetty?

  How does being the sexiest man alive find love?

• 1:24:49Jay Shetty?

  From the girls of my team, dedicated to, uh, dedicated to you, so.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  I revert back to the last question. It's very lonely. No, it's a, I go back and forth between wanting partnership.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  And then not knowing what's the best partner for me. Like bringing them into my world, what I got going on isn't easy. And it's, it's not just, I love you, you love me, that should be enough, right? It's not, it's not quite that simple. You know, I think, I think finding the right person to understand, A, all of me. But then all that comes with me as well. And understanding, you know, that balance between wanting to be available and there for that person while I'm juggling everything else. And feeling okay to put the other part of my businesses down.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  And, you know, the sacrifice and compromise that comes with a partnership and a relationship. And what is, and, and, and understanding how. How to make that all work is sometimes gives me anxiety and pause, you know, and and then also there's a part of me that has not really lived life yet. I I I haven't really traveled as much for fun or just like Japan has been a few times that I've went where I didn't have a schedule, where I didn't have to be somewhere for press. I didn't have to be these, I had to put the other hats on, you know, uh, there's so many different places and people I've never had the opportunity to happily meet that I might connect and vibe with. That might be a

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  person that my soul connects to, you know, um, and and I think, you know, those things, I I'm looking forward to that part of my life. You know, I think the last couple of years I'm starting to get to a place where it's like, you know what, I gotta start living.

• 1:26:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  You know, I've been, I've been, I've sacrificed and I've been in locked, zoned in for so long. You know, I owe it to myself a little bit to do that, you know, um, and I think that's a byproduct of being a little bit of a, you know, I'm a delayed satisfaction, delayed gratification person. Like I can, I've always wanted to lock in for the first half, do what I gotta do, get to I need to get to, make sure everything's straight and set up and then be a little bit more, have the freedom to move how I want to move and or whatever. So that's the long winded answer of a, of a, I'm not, I'm not looking, but it would take a very special person to understand and grow with me, you know, just that, you know, you want to create memories, you know, I want, I want a family, you

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  know what I'm saying? Eventually. So we'll see.

• 1:27:39Jay Shetty?

  You are lucky because I asked you that question. The other question was, what's his type?

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  I like that. I like that. I like that question. I like that.

• 1:27:47Jay Shetty?

  You like that better?

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  No, no. Yeah, it's good.

• 1:27:50Jay Shetty?

  That's the wrong question. I thought I was reading you. I was like, yeah.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  No, I mean, my type, I don't know.

• 1:27:57Jay Shetty?

  I wasn't asking you for real. I wasn't.

• 1:28:03Jay Shetty?

  Fifth and final question, uh, if you could, we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow,

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:28:12Jay Shetty?

  what would it be?

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  A law that. You couldn't intentionally kill or cause bodily harm to anyone. I think that covers a lot of stuff. I mean, you still have, you gotta leave room, people for humans to be humans. And everybody's not gonna be good. You know, everybody's not gonna have all that in there. But if we can eliminate the senseless killing and, you know, the bodily harms, you know, of other people's bodies in a real way. I think there's, but then there's like the systemic thing I'm trying to get out of. Cause like, you know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to level the playing field.

• 1:28:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  You know, um, so just the economic opportunities that disparity, those, those systematic oppression, the systematic oppression that does exist is the thing that I most, I most want to change. So I'm trying to think of, it's a good question, man.

• 1:29:10Jay Shetty?

  You keep thinking about it. Tell me later.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:13Jay Shetty?

  Cause I, I like your one, cause it also applies to like, you couldn't develop products. Like your, your question, I mean, your answer applies to food, drugs, medicine, which is kind of what keeps a lot of people stuck in the system. Cause if they can own, like bodily harm to me, isn't just physical violence. It's also the kind of things we ingest and consume. And that is what keeps a lot of people stuck because they're eating unhealthy food. Cause that's all they have access to and that's all they can afford. And that, that plays with the, I mean, that's what I was hearing too.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:45Jay Shetty?

  On a sub level.

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Okay, alright. I'm with that.

• 1:29:49Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Michael, we joined a mic. It has been such a joy and honor. We gotta do a part two. I've got, I could talk to you for hours. I've got so many questions, man. Like, that we could get into. But I want to thank you for your honesty, your openness, uh, the fun we've had.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:30:04Jay Shetty?

  Bringing moss along. Everyone, if you're not drinking it already, make sure you drink a moss while you're listening on purpose. And thank you so much for coming by. I want our audience, please tag me and Mike with your favorite moments. I know you guys cut the best clips on TikTok and Instagram. Do that for this episode. There were so many moments where he was just downloading and, uh, I think it's gonna have a big impact to Mike. Thank you again.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Man, great. Thank you so much for having me, bro. It's been, it's been an honor. It was worth the wait, man. So appreciate you having me and anytime.

• 1:30:32Jay Shetty?

  Appreciate you.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  Anytime.

• 1:30:34Jay Shetty?

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