Idina Menzel ON: How to Be Present without Self Judgment or Criticism & The Importance of Consistency to Achieve Your Goals

What was your biggest dream as a child? Growing up, did you have the best environment to pursue these dreams? Or did you need to set them aside for a different purpose in life? Today, Jay sits down with the iconic voice behind Elsa from the film Frozen, Idina Menzel. Idina's other well-known character is Elphaba in the original Broadway production of the musical "Wicked." She co-authored the children's book, Loud Mouse. One of the big takeaways here is how our dreams and ambitions are like living entities, always changing and growing, just like we are. As we navigate life's various chapters, our goals shift in response to what matters most to us. It's a reminder that it's perfectly okay for our dreams to evolve and expand as we do. Idina has a way of nudging us to appreciate diverse viewpoints and experiences. The podcast encourages us to embrace this and to seek understanding and connection with others. There's a powerful message about the strength in being open, vulnerable, and compassionate in a world that can sometimes be a bit harsh. In this interview, you’ll learn: How our dreams evolve throughout the years How to navigate challenges that come our way How to be less self-absorbed in certain situations Why understanding someone has limitations How to allow your authentic voice to be heard Ultimately, this conversation is like a friendly nudge to live life on our terms, free from the weight of other people's judgments. It's an invitation to explore our ever-changing perspectives, to find strength in resilience, and to chase our passions with fervor. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 02:31 What keeps you going these days? 06:00 When you start seeing things differently through a different lens 08:43 The story of a young girl learning her way with music through experience 12:23 How ambition and dreams can evolve through the years 16:07 The long developmental process of musical shows 19:46 The mission was to show up and never miss a show 23:39 How do you find perspective and become less self-absorbed? 26:14 How do you stay present in the moment? 31:09 How to communicate through differences with parents and children 35:55 Idina wrote a children’s book that allows children to be more themselves! 40:39 How do you allow your authentic voice to be heard? 41:54 What it is like to revisit a character you played years later 44:27 Why it is challenging to believe we can walk in someone else’s shoes 46:37 Stop worrying about what other people think and live your own life Episode Resources: Idina Menzel | Website Idina Menzel | Instagram Idina Menzel | YouTube Idina Menzel | Facebook Idina Menzel | TikTok Loud Mouse Drama Queen Digital Album See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:59Jay Shetty?

  Pro at drinkag1.com/onpurpose. That's drinkag1.com/onpurpose. My next guest is Idina Menzel. She has a new album called Drama Queen and a children's book called Proud Mouse out September 12th. Make sure to watch and read.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  My son is mixed. I don't want my whiteness to be something that, I know people say, you're the mom, he's gonna love you, but there's gonna be things that I can't understand for him because I'm not in his skin. And as he's getting older, he's becoming more and more aware of the society that he lives in and the violence, the racism. And I just wanna be someone he can come to, you know?

• 3:42Speaker 02

  The bestselling author and host. The number one healthy wellness podcast.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

• 3:49Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose. I am so grateful for our community here at the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. And I know that you're always looking for new stories, new ideas, new things to bring into your life so that you can feel better, feel happier, feel healthier, and feel healed. And today I'm talking to a guest who has a really unique experience of life. And that's what I love. I love learning about people who've come from different backgrounds, different walks of life, taken different paths. And I'm speaking to all of you about Idina Menzel, a powerhouse, multi-hyphenate, a singer, an actress in film and TV, a songwriter, a Broadway star, and a philanthropist.

• 4:34Jay Shetty?

  And I mean, her accolades are absolutely unbelievable. Idina rose to fame for her role as Maureen. In the popular Broadway musical Rent. And her career took off when she won a Tony Award for her role as Elphaba, the wicked witch of the West, in the musical Wicked. If you haven't seen it, it's phenomenal. I can't believe you haven't seen it yet. Idina's voice can be heard as Elsa in Disney's Oscar-winning Frozen, the second highest grossing animated film of all time, with more than 1.2 billion dollars in worldwide box office revenue. And right now, she's out talking about her children's book, Loud Mouse, which we'll be hearing about today as well. Please welcome to the show Idina Menzel.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 5:13Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for doing this.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me.

• 5:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's so grateful to meet you and so happy to get to spend this time with you. I know you've had a long day. We were just talking about, you've been up since 4 a.m.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm on the L.A. time. So that's what, that was weird because I couldn't get to bed.

• 5:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  With my jet lag, so I'm running on empty. But I'm happy to be here.

• 5:33Jay Shetty?

  I've just come in as well, three days ago. And so I know what that feels like. But I guess the question is, you've been up since 4 a.m. You've been doing so much work today. What drives you? What motivates you? What keeps you going?

• 5:44Speaker 01

  My son, my 13-year-old son, Walker.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  I think that's the main driving force. I mean, obviously creativity and my, you know, artistic soul, my desire to keep creating and finding new ways to express myself. But if I'm being completely honest, it's, you know, it's how can I be a better mom? How, what am I doing today to help my son? You know, my relationship with my husband. I think it's because I'm, I've turned 50 now and the ambition starts to wane a little bit when you, when you have a little success too. You know, like.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Start to feel okay, like I can afford to pay for his schooling and I can pay my mortgage and I'm doing wonderful things and working with terrific people. And so I can relax a little bit. When I was younger, I was just pounding the pavement so hard, you know, and really, I believed in myself, but I was just really working hard and playing gigs everywhere and trying to get noticed. And so at this age, it starts to, you know, you go, okay, everything's gonna be okay, you know. And so you wanna give a lot of energy to your relationship, your marriage, to your to your child.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  And that's why this children's book is, I guess, is sort of an organic step in the evolution of things, you know. Because people always ask me to do one, you know, because I guess my trajectory of characters and this sort of Elphaba's and Elsa's and these amazing young women that have all this incredible power and are role models for kids. And it's all about, you know, embracing that power and harnessing it and not being afraid to send it out into the world, you know. There's, for some reason, there's, the universe has thrown these things my way.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  I don't know if it's the chicken or the egg. Is it me, you know, choosing these somehow even though they were jobs I needed and I had to audition for them? So I think that there's, in the tradition of those characters, I felt that I wanted to write a children's book that was about, really, me having those very similar experiences when I was little and really believing in myself at a young age, really recognizing that I had something special to offer, but also being hesitant to

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Share it out of fear of of being alienated, being disliked, feeling like I was calling too much attention to myself. How much space can we take up in the world? What's allowed, you know?

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Especially as women, I think, we're always sort of second guessing ourselves. So that's what the book's about. But that's what I deal with as a grown up too, every day. It's I'm still second guessing when I walk in a room, how much space I can take up, how big my voice is, literally and metaphorically.

• 9:09Jay Shetty?

  Wow. And how do you think your view has changed of what you view as important from that time when you were like grinding and hustling and busy working hard to now having a bit more, I guess, structure and peace and a bit of arrival feeling, if that makes sense?

• 9:26Speaker 01

  The desperation isn't there, you know? It doesn't mean that I'm not, I'm not still dreaming and I'm, there's not things that I, there are still things I want. There's a lot of things I that I find still elusive to me. We could talk about those, but so I still have ambition, but the fear of literally not being able to pay my rent or not making good on my commitment to myself as a young girl of working hard to have my dream come true. My dreams have come true. I I perform on a stage. I perform in all these incredible venues for thousands of people.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  And I'm Disney princess queen, for God's sakes, you know? So, but you know, the more you get, the more you want. And you see things differently through a different, a different lens when you become a mom, really.

• 10:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I was two things you hit there, which which I read about you when I was I was looking for this interview. You said you have many dreams, but then one of the dreams I've heard you've had is your teeth falling out. I know that's a different time, different type of dream.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  It is, that's not the dream.

• 10:39Jay Shetty?

  That's not the kind of dream that, yeah, yeah.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  That's my nightmare.

• 10:42Jay Shetty?

  Have you, have you ever looked into all the meanings behind?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yes, it's all about anxiety.

• 10:46Jay Shetty?

  Have you ever found a, a meaning that sits well with you, that gives you some comfort in like?

• 10:51Speaker 01

  No, not that dream. It's always such anxiety and, and that's what I've read about it. And I also usually the teeth come out and you can hear the sound of them clinking against the sink. Yeah, I have that one and I have one that I never actually graduated college, but I'm two credits short. I have it so much that I still wake up with a feeling of like, why do I feel unsettled? Oh, you think you didn't graduate? Which I go, wait, no, I was there. I got my diploma.

• 11:16Jay Shetty?

  That's so funny. Yeah, I, I get the dream of like, I have another exam again. I think that's the one that sets me up. I'm like, no, I don't want to do another exam. I've done enough exams in my life, but no, that, that, that's interesting. And yeah, that lack of control, I think that's what I've seen it as well. Like when you're losing your teeth in a dream, it's like feeling like the anxiety around losing control.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, then I have cracked a tooth on a bagel, so I was like, my nightmare is coming true.

• 11:40Jay Shetty?

  On a bagel?

• 11:41Speaker 01

  You know, whatever.

• 11:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, oh my gosh.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was a hard bagel.

• 11:45Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's, yeah, that's, and, and hearing the teeth, that sounds, I, I'm, sounds make me very late.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  I know.

• 11:50Jay Shetty?

  I feel like sounds are tough. And then also with working hard, I mean, before this, you used to, well, not before this. A long time ago, you used to perform at bermitsfurs and weddings.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:01Jay Shetty?

  Which, which one did you prefer? Was there a, was there a better one?

• 12:04Speaker 01

  Well, I went through different phases. Um, when I was 15 years old, my parents divorced. Um, and I wanted to get a job to kind of help out, that, you know, dad was supporting two households. And my mom started dating this guy who was really sweet and saw talent in me. And he knew some guy that had a wedding band out in Long Island and he said, you should audition. I said, I don't know enough songs, you know? And we lied about my age because we didn't want them to worry that I was still a kid. So we said I was 18, like that's so old. And um, I started learning a bunch of songs. I put on kind of a slutty dress and I, I went um, in and I sang.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  What I sing back, I'm dating myself, but I sang Evergreen like a Barbra Streisand song. And I sang, we're walking on sunshine. Oh, I remember I sang a Flashdance song. Anyway, and I got the job and I started working all time weddings, bar mitzvahs. It didn't matter. They all can be bad because nobody's listening. They can be really wonderful, especially for a young girl. Becoming, trying to figure out my identity as a vocalist. Having to learn so many kinds of genres of music, you know, like Motown, pop, rock, jazz. So I really, that was kind of my education of music.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  And I'm working, there's a lot of incredible musicians that do it as a side gig just to make extra money. So the good thing about people not listening is you can, you can try a lot of them. And one of my favorite times would be when they say like, ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats, your salad is being served. And then the band would take a break except for me and like the keyboard player. And then we'd sing, you know, a Billie Holiday tune or Ella Fitzgerald. And at a young age, I learned what melody is. And I would listen to them on the car ride to the gig. And then I'd learn what I was contributing to it and how to improvise.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  And where were my instincts, my impulses as a singer. And so I actually still identify with, I still see myself as that girl. The chick gig singer, a wedding singer. And it's been so much longer that I've not been that than I was. But I, I still just feel like that's who I am. When I'm on stage, I could be at Madison Square Garden. I'm still with my band, I want to jam. I'm okay with spontaneity. You walk on, I was 15 years old and they call a tune, you have to call it in the right key. You have to know the lyrics. If you don't know the lyrics, you tape. Now they have iPads, but I would pull out a little Rolodex of cheat sheets. And I'd tape them to the mic and I'd sing the songs.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Like I said, nobody's paying attention to the band, so they don't see. But I still identify as that person. And no matter what, when I go to a wedding, someone else's wedding or bar mitzvah, or when I get paid to like a lot of money to come be a guest at somebody's and sing a couple of songs. Then I'm really taken back because I'm like. I used to make a hundred bucks, you know, for the night to sing. And um, and then I'm up there and I still feel like that, that unknown girl just trying to um, do a great job and get the song done.

• 15:30Jay Shetty?

  That's amazing.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:31Jay Shetty?

  That, that's incredible. What are the next steps? Like when you, when you hear about that experience that you're in and, and I am doing a bit of biography charting, cause I, I do find it fascinating. Like, you know, you, you look at the stage you're on today and you, you look back there and you're like, wow, that's, that's a long, long way.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:47Jay Shetty?

  And I think it's easy externally to be like, oh yeah, there was these line of great things that happened and it took off, but like, what's the next step from that? Like where?

• 15:57Speaker 01

  In what part? It went part of the timeline.

• 15:59Jay Shetty?

  Like the, pretty much immediately, like after you're doing that, I'm guessing, is that building your confidence? Is it just allowing you to pay for a few things on the side? Like, what is that doing for your creative career?

• 16:11Speaker 01

  To be a working singer, to make a living as a singer, especially at that age, was a source of deep pride for me.

• 16:17Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Then, as I kept getting rejected at auditions, I was writing my own music. I was trying to get a record deal. Nothing was happening. Now I'm doing it six, seven years. Now I'm getting a little bit annoyed.

• 16:30Jay Shetty?

  You were singing at weddings and bemoans for like six, seven years.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd go in and out depending when I was at college. I went to NYU and certain semesters it was rough, but then other semesters I could pick up gigs and so um, then I would be a little bit more, I like to say disgruntled and I'd stand and I think, if I'm doing this when I'm thirty, you know, I'm quitting the business and um, I'd get in trouble. The band, the bandleader would say, you have an attitude today. And I'd be thinking, well, it's cause I just, I, I'm gonna be something one day, you know? I'm gonna get out of here. Um, so, I forget what your question was.

• 17:06Jay Shetty?

  Well, no, my question is that idea.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  What was the next thing?

• 17:08Jay Shetty?

  No, like that is, that's, you're good, you're, you're doing exactly what it's asking. Like, that idea that you're going to auditions, what were you auditioning for? Like, what was important to you at that time?

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so when I was a little girl, I, I, my parents took me in, I grew up in Long Island. They'd take me into the city to see Broadway shows. I wanted to be on Broadway. Then, when I started doing all these weddings and seeing all these kinds of music, I started writing my own music. And um, my tastes evolved with the kind of music that I wanted to sing. And so, um, then I wanted my own record deal and wanted to make albums. Um, and so I would now also put rock bands together and I'd go play at CBGB's and at The Bitter End, Down the Village, and so that started to be the thing that I wanted. And then I finally, at, what, finally, at twenty-five, um, I got the original cast of Rent,

• 17:59Speaker 01

  which was the big rock musical of the time, but it was theater, but it was rock. And so that started me on this sort of path of kind of straddling both worlds always, which, uh, back then, in the nineties, it was not, it was frowned upon to try to go from theater to legitimate rock pop kind of career. Now, everyone can do everything.

• 18:24Jay Shetty?

  Do everything, yeah.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  But back then, you didn't, if you were a movie star, you didn't do TV. And if you were a theater person, you weren't gonna be, um, people wouldn't believe you as a, as a rock star. But here I was, kind of in both. And so I did that dance for a long time. And now, you get to the point where you've done so many different things and so many, I put out so many kinds of albums and, um, that I can get on stage and I don't care that I'm one particular style, because now my body of work is who I am. But it's taken me all that time to feel like, um, I have a story and an identity. Because back then, it was like, well, who are you? What kind of singer are you? What are you gonna be? What do you represent?

• 19:08Speaker 01

  And I'd say, well, I can do jazz and I could do Motown and I can do Madonna and Whitney Houston and rock and roll. And, and so my versatility was my curse.

• 19:16Jay Shetty?

  Wow. And what were you doing by age thirty? Because you said, when I get to, if I'm doing this by thirty, I'm gonna quit. What were you actually doing when you were thirty years old?

• 19:23Speaker 01

  I was, um, in a workshop of Wicked.

• 19:25Jay Shetty?

  Okay, so you, okay.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I was hired to develop Wicked, which was a five-year process.

• 19:30Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  And every, after every workshop of that, I always thought they were gonna replace me with someone more famous or something. And so I always thought I was gonna get fired. So the fact that I actually got to the Gershwin Theater when I was, I don't know, thirty-two, I was like, oof. You know, you always think you're gonna get fired in this business.

• 19:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, so when they bring you in to develop, and pardon my ignorance, just because I don't know. So if they're bringing you in to develop, so what does that, what does that actually mean? Does that mean you might make it into the show, or you're in the behind the scenes?

• 19:58Speaker 01

  They say that they're looking for their amuses, you know? And so they'd like to find the people that they are writing for, because the composers are writing for your voice, and which is like the greatest honor. That was, Rent was like that as well. And most of the things I do, because they're original musicals, they go through these long developmental processes, which I love. I love standing on a piano and an incredibly talented composer, like Stephen Schwartz, or Tom Kidd, or Jonathan Larson, and they say, figure out where my voice sits, and how they wanna write something so that I can soar, you know? And the character can soar. Sometimes that gets confused.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  But, or it's one and the same, I guess. But I love that process so much. And what it is, is you go in a room, usually in like a regular rehearsal room, and sometimes they only have the first act. Sometimes they have the whole thing, but then they, so you do like a little reading of it for a bunch of people, investors, and then everyone gives notes, and then six months later, they've scrapped a bunch of things. Maybe they took a song out of act two and put it in act one, and now that offsets the whole balance. And then, this part sucks, but this part's really working, you know? And they keep having to, and you just go with the flow. And I find it fascinating, the whole process.

• 21:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, it's interesting hearing about it. As a fan of Broadway, I always have been in the West End, in London where I grew up, and then Broadway here. It's interesting knowing how it works, because I think you take for granted that some of these things, the amount of time they take in development before we even see them.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  It's funny, I did Wicked at the West End for six months, a year and a half after I left it here in New York. I always wanted to open a show on the West End. To me, that was the most prestigious. Um, thing to do and I had one of the greatest times of my life. Um, I had two Australians starring with me who taught me how to party and do H O's a week, which I think I only learned that because I like, they like to take credit for that. But I also think it was because I had already won a Tony. I knew I wasn't gonna get fired. I knew how to pace myself H O's a week. The pressure was off me and so I could go to the pub after. But you know, when, when you're in the beginnings of a show, you're just, you know, you're, you're a monk.

• 22:19Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  And you don't do anything and you go home and you watch movies and you don't drink alcohol. And um, you know, so, and that can be kind of lonely.

• 22:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, those schedules seem just insane. I was with a friend recently, they're piloting a show in San Diego at the old Globe Theatre.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 22:38Jay Shetty?

  To try and take it into Broadway. And so I was watching her and she was telling me about her schedule. And then we just, I just went and saw The Music Man this, this Sunday.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 22:47Jay Shetty?

  And like watching Q do that and I was, it was just, it's fascinating to me to think just what a tough schedule that is.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  It's exhausting.

• 22:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's, and how do you like, what were your coping mechanisms the first time around? Like not when you'd won the Tony or not?

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Well, the first time with Brent, I, I, uh, I lost my voice. Well, I, I started, um, I was abusing my voice. I didn't, I would, I took voice lessons my whole life, but I stopped going to my teacher at one point. And um, I just had never, even though I was singing all those gigs at the weddings, I had never done eight shows a week. And um, so I had to look, go back to a teacher and address all the different problem spots in the show for myself. And then I ended up being stronger than ever and then it's never happened to me again.

• 23:27Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  But um, back then, you know, the, I don't know if you're familiar with Jonathan Larson, who wrote, um, he was a composer.

• 23:34Jay Shetty?

  I don't know him, but I know.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  But he passed away early on in our process. And it was a very emotional time for all of us. And um, we all felt so committed to never missing a show because we just felt like our mission was to show up and communicate his message, you know? So for six months, not one of us missed a show. I was actually the first one because the doctor ordered me to have voice rest. And I've never had a cast um, do that ever. I realized that that was very rare, that um, people wouldn't miss a show for six months. That's, so um, that was a commitment and that set a precedent, I think, for me.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  It's also because, you know, I have an ego and I don't want my understudy to go on all the time.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  But, um, but yeah, and the more people coming to see a show with your name on the marquee, the more pressure you feel to be there.

• 24:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, definitely.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  That's a lot of pressure. But I learned, um, you learn to pace yourself and you learn, what I like to say is I have an A, B and a C show. So the A show is the one that has lots of acrobatic vocals and what I wanna sing if I could all the time. The B and the C are melodies that um are maybe not as hard, but people don't even notice the difference.

• 24:56Jay Shetty?

  We're not gonna recognize.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  And so it's a psychological thing for me that I don't feel like I'm failing if I don't get the A show. I just say, I have a cold, so go out there and do a really great B show today. And then I, and then the pressure's off and I end up having a great show. So there's, a lot of it's mental, you know, and just um.

• 25:11Jay Shetty?

  That's a great technique. I love that. I don't think I've ever had anyone say that before because I think people think that you only have two choices.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I can't reach that note.

• 25:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you're on or off. And, and that's actually not true. I, I love the A, B, C grading for, for anything in life. Because I don't think we're ever at our A game every single day. It's not possible.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. And how many times do you realize you think you had the worst eh eh eh show, interview, whatever? And then someone comes in and they had no idea what you're talking about. All that dialogue in your head that's sabotaging.

• 25:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I, I went to public speaking and drama school since I was 11 years old. And so I've been, and public speaking is now the majority of my life. And so there is, I know exactly when I think I messed the line up or didn't quite get that message across right and I'll be over analyzing it. I used to do it a lot more earlier days, but then you realize no one even noticed any percentage of that. But I love your A, B, C grading.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wish I could do that with life.

• 26:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well, I think it's a good tool for life. I'm hoping that everyone is listening.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Today I'll be an A, B, C mom. I'm not gonna get it all right, you know, today. And my son's gonna be angry with me, but that's okay. But I'm really hard on myself about that stuff. I'm hard on myself in general. I'd like to, so give myself a break.

• 26:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. How did you, how do you think you were able to give yourself a break on stage? Because that's obviously in one sense, I mean, I'm sure, and I'd love to hear this as from a mother's perspective, but. And I don't want to assume either way, but I'm guessing you may say that actually being a mother to one child is actually more pressure than performing in front of thousands of people.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  And when I became a mother,

• 26:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  I found perspective. Obviously, I became less self-absorbed. Um, I realized that my son has a fever tonight. I want to snuggle with him, take care of him. I don't want to worry that, I don't care if I get sick. Yeah, I got a big show tomorrow. What happens if I get strep throat or something? Well, it's too bad. I'm not going to sleep in the other room. That's just not going to be, I just have to be with him. So then I'd wake up the next day, didn't get a lot of sleep, worrying about my kid. I'm on stage, what can I do? It's, I'm doing the best I can. I'd have the best shows.

• 27:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  You know, because I just, you know, lowered the expectations of myself and for myself. And um, that really, um, it changed my life in a lot of ways. When you have something that you care about way more than yourself.

• 27:40Jay Shetty?

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• 30:11Jay Shetty?

  I love what you said there and I think everyone can relate to that. I think anyone who's listening right now, if you're a mother, you definitely feel it. If you're not a mother, you'll feel it. Like, the idea of, I just need to be a bit easier on myself. Like, I think most people are very self-critical.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 30:25Jay Shetty?

  Most people who even come across as confident or even arrogant are often insecure and dealing with something internally, so...

• 30:33Speaker 01

  I'm not an expert and I...

• 30:34Jay Shetty?

  No, not an expert. I'm just intrigued as to how you think you're gonna, like, what it...

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Well, and I also, I'm not ashamed to say my publicist here, and she probably, like, don't say that, but I take, you know, Prozac and I have help and, um, I, yeah, because there are some days where I just, I, I'm, you know, people expect me to let it go and I can't, you know? So um I'm doing the best that I can, but um being in the moment, being present, you know, is just the hardest thing to do. It's like what we aspire to do as artists, actors, singers to, you know, it's it's so weird because the greatest moments I have um when I'm performing are usually moments I can't even remember because they I transcended I in some way, you know, um.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  But trying but that's not being present then, you know, and that, you know, you can meditate, you can do all these things, but it's trying to achieve just one moment where I felt like I'm here in my body, understanding this without judging myself, without criticizing. And so um I don't I don't have the answers. I just

• 31:43Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  I give myself things to try to stay in the moment, you know, um whether it's very clinical, just think about the lyrics, think about breathing, think about getting Walker to school tomorrow, or focusing on the person in front of me and trying to change them in the scene or the song, you know. But sometimes it's just is really hard. I can't get out of there. In other days I can.

• 32:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, but I think that A B C grading is you've already you've already come up with the perfect.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  I'm giving you advice, but I have to walk the tuck, walk the tuck.

• 32:14Jay Shetty?

  It's what you said beautifully. It's like that's that is the way we all need to think. How you started thinking about the stage, you know, think about our life that way. I think it's a great it's a great method and.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  I also have um an incredible husband who was an actor. His life changed and he became um he's a clinical director of a an inpatient facility out in California that has two houses, um recovery and alcohol and drug uh recovery and also mental illness.

• 32:47Jay Shetty?

  Mm hmm.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  And so he thinks I'm just like a piece of cake all the time, which is really nice to come home and think. He's like, what? That mood is fine. That's nothing, you know? So that's giving me some perspective, too. He just thinks all of my neuroses is like, normal and he can handle, he can handle it. I'm not too much, I'm not too much for him.

• 33:07Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful. That's a really special, yeah, that's amazing.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, that's, that's a beautiful thing to have in your life.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:15Jay Shetty?

  And I think it's, I think that's true for pretty much, I often think with relationships and with my wife, I, if I, if I sat there, I could easily reel off reasons why I think she's annoying or frustrating or whatever it may be, like, that's easy. I think anyone could do that. If they've been longer, long enough with someone.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 33:35Jay Shetty?

  But if I stop to think about the things that are special about her and unique about her and the things that she does that no one else could do,

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 33:42Jay Shetty?

  All of a sudden, it's like all those other things seem so insignificant and irrelevant.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:47Jay Shetty?

  And I think it's so easy to amplify those small irrelevant.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  And like, life is too short. I'm gonna, he's gonna, I mean, he gets on my nerves so much when we travel because I'm traveling all the time. I know how to wear my, I don't wear shoes with laces. I get through the security. I know how to do it. If something changes, I can go get another flight. I'm moving and grooving. He walks too slow. He doesn't have that aggressive traveling attitude. And I'm like, ugh! And then I realize, why am I, you know, he's sweet. Why is this getting on my nerves? Like, life's too short, you know? He's, when it comes down to it, he's an incredible father to my son and, um, he's there for me whenever I need him and, um, he really sees me, sees my soul and so, so those little things are so silly, you know?

• 34:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. And, and I feel like we all pair up with someone who's exactly the other way. Like, I'm, I'm probably more like you in that sense, as you describe that. I feel like, you know, I'm like, I, I wanna get to the airport three hours early and figure everything out. And like, I don't like rushing. I don't like being late. And my wife's like, you know, just like, she's happy to run to the, the, what do you call it? The terminal and like, run to the,

• 34:57Speaker 01

  The gate.

• 34:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, the gate, sorry, the gate, yeah, run to the gate. And I'm like, I don't wanna live like this. And she loves the pressure and whatever it may be. So, but I feel like we always pair up with people like that. But with, with your dreams earlier, you said this, you're like, you know, dreams for the future. Like, what are the dreams now? Like, how have your dreams shifted or changed or, or what's left? You said elusive. Some of the dreams are still elusive, you said. That was the word.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Well, now talking to you, they seem so trivial.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Well, professionally, there's things that just, I wanna be a better performer, better artist. I wanna work with people that I've always looked up to. I wanna work with some more people like that, that can teach me stuff. I wanna create more original musicals. But my son is mixed. He's a, he identifies as black and I see him as a black thirteen year old boy, little man. That's kinda where a lot of my focus is, I think lately, is um, I don't want my whiteness to be something that, I know people say, "You're the mom, he's gonna love you," but he's super smart and intuitive and um,

• 36:03Speaker 01

  there's gonna be things that I can't understand for him because I'm not in his skin. And um, I find myself preoccupied with that a lot. Like, how can I be so close to him, be the one that he can come to for everything, if I can't totally understand all that because I just haven't lived it? How can I educate myself? How can I be better in that way? And as he's getting older, he's becoming more and more aware of the society that he lives in and the chaotic world he lives in, the violence, the racism. And um, I just wanna be someone he can come to, you know? So um, I'm probably overthinking a lot of that, but that's a lot where my energy goes to.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Just how can I really be better in that way for him?

• 36:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think my parents felt that way when I was a kid, for different reasons completely, but I was, mine was probably not as smart or as intuitive as your son sounds, but I was highly rebellious and I was getting involved in all the wrong places and circles. My parents didn't raise me that way and they, you know, they did only thing, everything right and they were loving and wonderful.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Why were you pushing back?

• 37:14Jay Shetty?

  Uh, I think I was, I think I've always been like a thrill seeker, like I've always deeply wanted a purpose. I didn't know that word at that, at thirteen, like I just thought thrill meant excitement and almost like doing well in school and getting good grades, like didn't feel like enough. I was like, that can't be the goal of life, to do well at school, like that can't be it.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  You gotta live.

• 37:35Jay Shetty?

  There has to be, yeah, like what does it mean to live, right? What does it mean? And I feel like it's really interesting because that age at least and whenever I'm working with someone or whenever I hear about that, I always feel like that's the age when kids kind of like start going off in their own journeys and their own directions. And one thing that my dad did that I think was a game changer because I realized that at that point, no matter what my parents said, I wasn't going to listen to it, no matter what they said. And I think a lot of parents-

• 38:02Speaker 01

  That's part of your job at that age.

• 38:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? And I think every child, everyone who's been a child, everyone has that experience of, yeah, I didn't listen to my parents when I was thirteen. And then I think every parent has that experience of my kids don't listen to me from like thirteen to twenty-one, maybe. And then my dad started giving me books of people's lives, of people that he thought I'd be inspired by based on my ambitions and my rebellion. Well, at that time, it started to be people like Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. And then later on, I read Einstein. And then I was also reading people like that I was interested in as a fifteen-year-old kid, like David Beckham, because I was into soccer, or Dwayne The Rock Johnson, because he was in WWE. And so I was reading Malcolm X on one side and David Beckham on the other.

• 38:46Jay Shetty?

  But it was, it was really fascinating to me because it was almost like those people could talk to me at that time in a way that my parents never could. Because they had lived experiences or things that for some reason, you know, connected with me and resonated with me in a way that even if my parents said the same things, it would never have connected. And I wonder, hence you writing a children's book, which is where my direction's going. It's like, I'm fascinated by who the voices your son needs to hear right now at this time in his life.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know if it's mine.

• 39:16Jay Shetty?

  No, no, no, I don't think it ever is your parents. Not because our parents are wrong, like there's that famous quote, I don't know who said it, but it's the day you realize your parents were right, your kids are telling you that you're wrong.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 39:31Jay Shetty?

  And you know, it's one of those moments like now I'm so grateful to my parents and I can see everything. I'm thirty-five and I'm like, okay, yeah, I value everything my parents did and they tried their best. But in those times, I find like finding the voices of other people that feel like your voice to you, that he can hear it from someone else, feels like, you know, feels like, I'm wondering, this children's book, was that a way of communicating to, like, what was the, yeah, what was the purpose behind it?

• 40:00Speaker 01

  I want him to hear- That message, my son is pretty confident. So I think the book comes from my interaction with so many young people. Through all the projects that I've been a part of and it's multi-generational projects, you know, of really seeing lots of young people inhibit themselves and scorn their their unique qualities. And and I relate to that because that's how I was. My son's pretty sure of himself. So hopefully that's good. I mean, because I think we all as parents project, you know, all the stuff that I need to work on and myself, when you have a kid, it comes like glaring back at you, you know?

• 40:43Speaker 01

  He is okay with the spotlight, you know? So I don't know if this book is necessarily written for him to help him because he teaches me.

• 40:52Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  You know, I am.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  He said, uh, he said, Mom, when I get my braces off and I, and I go through puberty, there's gonna be no stopping.

• 41:07Jay Shetty?

  That's awesome.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  He means that with the girls, he means that with basketball, he means that with everything. So it's like, I just need to take a lesson from my my son, you know? So I think the book comes from, I wrote it with my sister, first of all, who I'm very close to, Cara. And and she's a teacher, an elementary school teacher, a writer, and also specialized in literacy at school. So I wanted to write it with her because she's a pro. And she understood me better than anyone else in the world, understands me. She's the closest person to me. She's younger, but she's the wiser. She's the older soul. And it was the two of us writing this together because we experienced it as sisters. I was always loud and singing and taking up all this space.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  And she was always, am I supposed to know what I want to do at the age of seven? You know, I don't know what I want to do. And so we've been really exploring all of those.

• 42:01Jay Shetty?

  That's so.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Those issues, I think. So that's more for those kids that are just a little bit hesitant to kind of allow people to see them, you know? And allow themselves to be vulnerable and take a risk.

• 42:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's fascinating, yeah. I have a younger sister. And we became, we're still extremely close. She's like my best friend. She knows everything about me and I know everything about her and she's, I almost treat her like a little child. She's only five years younger than me, but to me that's like, I remember holding her when I was five years old and she was this tiny little baby.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Me too, I remember holding my sister.

• 42:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's one of those like, you know, very special memories of kind of seeing her grow up and feeling older, even though I wasn't old. Uh, but it's interesting, like, I think with siblings, it's fascinating to hear that that difference also of being okay with one being loud and one being silent and and noticing how neither of those are strengths or weaknesses, although I think it's often imprinted that someone who's loud is more confident and is more

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Right, and that's totally um, a contradiction, at least in me. I mean, if you saw me at home, I'm actually kind of quiet and people that meet me, they say, "Oh, you're actually really soft spoken." So the big, the girl with the big voice and singing to the rafters is definitely part of me, but I think we all have these different sides. And then my sister, who is very soft spoken, she's the one that when I went to watch her um, teach, she was a TA back in Boulder at CU and um, she didn't know what she wanted to do. And I was like some neuroscience classes and she was a TA and I sat in the back and watched her and she was unbelievable, so charismatic, so on her voice, so engaging, the students loved her and I said,

• 43:48Speaker 01

  "This is your thing, like, you gotta teach, you know." So, our voice um, emerges in many different ways and I think it's a little bit um, uh, a misconception that someone like me who knows how to produce loud sounds and hit the back row is necessarily comfortable in her own voice in my own life. Because, especially given that, that um, mantle to always sing "Let It Go" to kids or defy gravity, it's like, oh, you know, I'm not always that example. I mean, I have those days where I can't get out of bed myself and I have to um, find my voice as well and um,

• 44:30Speaker 01

  It's so, I hate for people to think that there's this perception of me that I'm fearless because I'm not.

• 44:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, of course. And it sounds like this book is also a way of finding your voice because

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:41Jay Shetty?

  you're playing so many other voices.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Yes, well, this, yeah, I mean, it's autobiographical in a two little mouse, two little mice way.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  But.

• 44:55Jay Shetty?

  I love that you chose a mouse to represent.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, because the mouse feels so, is so small, but when she sings,

• 45:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  she's the joy and the sound of her voice. When she decides to share it with the class instead of just keeping it to herself at home, she ends up becoming a huge, huge, huge mouse. And now everybody can see her and hear her. And that invites a lot of scrutiny, a lot of accolades, but a lot of different things, you know, and that's, I think that's what happens with all of us when we allow ourselves to be seen.

• 45:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm always finding, I'm always intrigued by people who play lots of voices. And as you said, like, I think everyone's always searching for their voice in life because they forget that their early voice was so informed by their parents and then their later voice was so informed by friends and then, well, our voice is just always a mix of other people's noise.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:51Jay Shetty?

  And then, I wonder for you, do you ever feel like you've rubbed off on the voices of your characters, your characters' voices rub off on you? Like, I'm always fascinated by people who play people

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:03Jay Shetty?

  for a living, like, how that.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  That's what I was saying before, chicken or the egg, how much am I bringing to something that then the writers are inspired by what I'm bringing and how much is the part sort of finding me?

• 46:17Jay Shetty?

  Which characters do you think, which characters do you think rubbed off the most on you in a?

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Each one was like a gift at the time, you know, like the Rent stuff was really, it was a celebration. She, that character was, was, was unafraid, sexy, funny, just an excuse for me to really be all those things. And then when Wicked came along, I was definitely more insecure and needing to sort of allow myself to not be afraid of my own anger and.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  My larger-than-life qualities, you know. So, um, that one was really art imitating life, you know. So different things, I don't know, the voice.

• 47:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, those are beautiful, I love those. Yeah, no, no, those, those are wonderful, it's just, so it's, it, it's just so much. Yeah, it's so much more. When you're playing someone deeply, it's so much more deeper than just. Oh yeah, they're a character, right?

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Well, then you live with them for how many shows a year.

• 47:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's, well, that's even more than a movie, right? Like even more than a TV show or a movie, it's like this character's.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I've had two instances now with Rent the Movie, we did it ten years after. Um, we left, I left the show and then I have this um sequel to Enchanted, Disenchanted coming out now. And that's fifteen years later and it's kind of fun to revisit a character. Years later, because um, it's just you see how like life has informed your. Who you are and how you approach the character now, it's really, I find it really fascinating. Um, to go back and, and see that, I, I threw caution to the wind a lot, I didn't have as much process when I was younger. Just kind of like was raw and in the moment and spontaneous and.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Um, in the moment, but the older I got, I've been getting, the less in the moment I am. Because the more you're aware of how far you can fall, you know, and you get in your head, so. Um, I don't know.

• 48:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, what's something that you feel you. Used to value that you don't value anymore? Something that was important to you that's become less and less important?

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Hmm, I was gonna say being liked, but having people caring about what people think, but. I think I still care about what people think.

• 48:43Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Um.

• 48:44Jay Shetty?

  We all do.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:46Jay Shetty?

  When I was asked, I was asked this question and that's where I started to. Uh, involve in my interviews and it was probably one of the only questions that made me stop and think like you had to. Uh, you know, most questions, you just, you're just talking and then. My answer to it in the moment, without thinking about it in like. Seven seconds of thinking about it was being understood. I think I realized that ninety-nine percent of the world would never be able to understand anyone fully. I don't think it's actually possible.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Possible.

• 49:15Jay Shetty?

  And I think the pressure we put on ourselves to try to understand someone fully rushes the process of understanding them half.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:25Jay Shetty?

  And so like that feeling of, oh, I understand you, like even, we just wanna be able to say that. And we wanna be able to say that so quickly when we-

• 49:32Speaker 01

  So I was saying about my son.

• 49:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  I will never-

• 49:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  Never be able to be all those things to him.

• 49:38Jay Shetty?

  Exactly, yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  I live in a white woman's body and my background and where I've come from and just because he came from my womb doesn't give me the carte blanche to understand his emotion, you know? So, um, that's very frustrating.

• 49:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  And I need to just accept that, you know?

• 49:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and accepting it just, yeah, I think for me it was like, I realized that even if someone does understand you, they won't understand you in the way you want them to understand you, right? Even in wanting to be understood, like, you're talking about trying to understand someone else, but even, I think all of us crave to be understood.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  That's what I'm really seeing, like, someone really gets me.

• 50:17Jay Shetty?

  Exactly, and, and I've found even the people that really get me-

• 50:21Speaker 01

  That you don't really, really get.

• 50:22Jay Shetty?

  They don't, they get me, they do, my closest friends really get me, but even then, there's a part of you that only you get.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  No one will ever know.

• 50:30Jay Shetty?

  And no one will ever know, and, and that's, and being at peace with that has been very good for me. Uh, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Would just be to mind your own business. Stop worrying about what other people are doing and live your own life.

• 50:47Jay Shetty?

  That's a great one, I love that. Uh, Idina Menzel, everyone, if you have been listening or watching, thank you so much for tuning in. Make sure you share what you learned, what you took away, any reflections, any questions that you've had. Uh, tag us both on Instagram, on TikTok, on Twitter, all the platforms that you know that we're on right now, and of course, the book, Loud Mouse.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:07Jay Shetty?

  Uh, is available, we're gonna put the link in the show notes, you can order it as well, you can read along. I know I'm gonna be ordering a ton of copies for my nieces and nephews.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  You are, oh, thank you. And there's a refrain in it, so there's a song I wrote that-

• 51:19Jay Shetty?

  I love that.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  That goes along with that, and you don't have to sing it, like-

• 51:23Jay Shetty?

  I definitely will not sing it.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Sing it however you sing it, I just gave you a little start.

• 51:28Jay Shetty?

  I don't know if you've seen it, but I'll be ordering the book for my nieces and nephews to share it with them as well. I know that. It's probably one of my favorite things to do is to sit down and read a children's book with a child. And I don't have two kids of my own yet, but when I do it with nieces and nephews or, you know, my godson, it's like one of the most fun, fun bonding experiences. I look forward to that.

• 51:52Jay Shetty?

  Thank you, Adina. Thank you so much. Thank you. If you love this episode, you will enjoy my conversation with Meghan Trainor on breaking generational trauma and how to be confident from the inside out.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  My therapist told me, stand in the mirror naked for five minutes. It was already tough for me to love my body, but after the C-section scar with all the stretch marks, now I'm looking at myself like I've been hacked. But day three, when I did it, I was like, you know what? Her thighs are cute.

• 52:18Speaker 04

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' healthcare to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Mr. President, my company tore me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me. Tom Cruise is. Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us up. From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 53:04Jay Shetty?

  What would happen if I stopped doing it? You start, you freeze in there. That's what.

• 53:08Speaker 04

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  I'm not the first nanny.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17. Not a middle without parent.