Gisele Bündchen ON: How to Overcome Depression and Anxiety Through Meditation

You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive show where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon. Gisele Bündchen sits down with Jay Shetty to talk about her passion for being in tune with nature. She shares how she encourages open communication with her children, appreciating nature as it is while learning to appreciate our own value, and the healing benefits of incorporating meditation in your daily routine. Gisele Bündchen is a mother, author, philanthropist, and global environmentalist. Over the years, Gisele has faced a number of challenges, and credits meditation with helping her live a more conscious and joyful life, insights that she shares in her New York Times bestselling book, Lessons: My Path to a Meaningful Life. As a longtime meditation practitioner, Gisele believes we are all divine beings, and that when we quiet our minds, we will find that most of the answers we seek are inside us. What We Discuss with Gisele: 00:00 Intro 02:45 Seeing your family after a long time 06:22 Our parents are also trying to figure it all out 10:49 We are nature, we aren’t separate from it 14:30 Everything about nature is a gift 18:46 To appreciate nature, you must live like a child 21:21 Meditation is a precious tool for depression and anxiety 24:23 Becoming a mother is a rebirth of yourself 27:08 Force is never the way, leading by example is the way 29:35 Hope In Times Of Uncertainty 35:20 Starting a meditation routine 40:20 Gisele on Final Five Like this show? Please leave us a review here - even one sentence helps! Post a screenshot of you listening on Instagram & tag us so we can thank you personally! Episode Resources: Gisele Bundchen | Instagram Gisele Bundchen | Twitter Gisele Bundchen | Website Gisele Bundchen | Facebook Gisele Bundchen | Insight Timer Achieve success in every area of your life with Jay Shetty’s Genius Community. Join over 10,000 members taking their holistic well-being to the next level today, at https://shetty.cc/OnPurposeGenius See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 1:33Speaker 01

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• 2:02Speaker 02

  If you watch bad news, suddenly you're having a great day, then you watch a bad news, and then suddenly you're consumed with fear. And then now, like, your state of your emotions and everything has changed. And now you're in the dumpsters and you're stuck there and you're like, you know. So I feel is like, you know, one thing that's very important is to like witness, to see where your attention is going. Like, where is your energy? Check in with yourself.

• 2:28Jay Shetty?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week so sincerely and deeply to learn, listen and grow. And I am so excited to be talking to you today. I can't believe it. My new book, Eight Rules of Love, is out and I cannot wait to share it with you. I am so, so excited for you to read this book, for you to listen to this book. I read the audiobook. If you haven't got it already, make sure you go to eightrulesoflove.com. It's dedicated to anyone who's trying to find, keep or let go of love. So if you've got friends that are dating, broken up or struggling with love, make sure you grab this book.

• 3:13Jay Shetty?

  And I'd love to invite you to come and see me for my global tour, Love Rules. Go to jayshettytour.com to learn more information about tickets, VIP experiences and more. I can't wait to see you this year. Today's guest is one of very few guests, I believe one of three guests that we've had on the podcast twice. That's because she's one of my favorite people. Her Instagram is one of my favorites to follow. I love seeing all of her updates, her messages. We've stayed in touch for the last two years since she came on the podcast for the first time. I'm talking about none other than Gisele Bundchen. And for those of you that don't know, for the two people listening, the 0.2% of people listening that don't know,

• 3:57Jay Shetty?

  Gisele Bundchen is one of the most successful supermodels of all time. She's a mother and author. And this is one of my favorite parts about her that I see her doing more and more today. She's an incredible philanthropist and global environmentalist. And over the years, Gisele has spoken in numerous places about the impacts of meditation, helping her live a more conscious and joyful life, even giving birth, something we discussed last time. And these key insights are shared in her New York Times bestselling book, Lessons, My Path to a Meaningful Life, which is an incredible read. I highly recommend you read it if you haven't. And as a longtime meditation practitioner, Gisele believes we're all divine beings

• 4:41Jay Shetty?

  and that when we quiet our minds, we will find that most of the answers we seek are already there inside of us. Gisele, welcome back to the show. And we've already started, so we're already fully equipped.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Uh, thank you, Jason. Nice to see you and always so wonderful to to share and to to talk with you. It's it's I wish you was in person, but hopefully next time. Get to give you a big hug, you and your lovely lady.

• 5:09Jay Shetty?

  We'd love that. We'd love that. But no, it's it's so good to be back with you and just, you know, what what we're just talking about naturally right now as well. I think the world's had such a difficult year. Everyone's had a difficult 12 months. Uh, no matter who you are, everyone's had a challenging time. And you were just saying that you've almost just reunited with your family after two years. I mean, that must have been such a emotional feeling. Like, what was that like to see your family after two years?

• 5:37Speaker 02

  You know, it was beautiful. And I think that, you know, sometimes we take things for granted, right? Like, and I think when you don't get to see your parents for almost two years and the people you love the most and you just realize how, you know, what a gift is every moment that you get to spend, you know, that that every moment that we are alive, every moment that we are, we get to spend with the people that we love. And that you just realize what a gift our family, our loved ones, and what a, what a, what a, what a wonderful thing is to is to feel the the warmth of the hug and a kiss and to be able to to be surrounded by,

• 6:18Speaker 02

  you know, by love. And I think, you know, as humans, we are people who are meant to be living in community. We are meant to be, you know, touching and holding and loving. And I think, um, you know, that's essential for our well-being, for our mental health, for for our, for our life, you know, for us to. So it was, it was wonderful. I I just, I just have so much gratitude and and and just having to, you know, having this time with my parents is extra time because in Brazil is winter right now and being able to bring them here with me and have them with me for the next, I'm actually gonna be with them for the next two months. I just feel like the luckiest girl in the world, you know? And so, so I'm just gonna.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Hug them until they're sick of it. They'll be like, get away from me. I'll be like, no.

• 7:09Jay Shetty?

  I'm glad that we could give them a bit of a break by you coming on the podcast. So they were probably really happy.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Exactly. They're like, just get away from us for a second. We can't take you anymore. No, it's wonderful. And just to sit and talk with them, you know, it's like, I think to honor them and to, you know, how often do we get to have deep conversations with our parents, you know, and to listen to their life stories? I think we're diving really deep into that. And I think for my dad, something came up where he felt the necessity. I think he realized how fragile, like he was like, oh, it can happen at any moment. You know, something can happen. And he felt like he wants to write his story about, you know, he was telling me things about his childhood and how he grew up and about his father and about his grandfather. Because, you know, we are also our ancestors, you know?

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Like, the only reason why we are here is because of them. So there's pieces of them in us, you know? And to learn about those things that he never, you know, there was never an opportunity or that it never came up that he had a desire to talk about those things. And now he does. So that was, you know, a gift that came from that, you know? Because I think there's always two sides to everything. I think something is, you know, there is always the yin and the yang, you know? And I feel that that was the, something that came very strongly from my dad, this deep desire to share more. And I'm grateful for that because I'm learning a lot more about him and why he is the way he is and which in some ways is why I am the way I am, you know?

• 8:43Speaker 02

  And my mom, because, so it's amazing. It's been kind of like a wonderful dive into, into, you know, in a way, a deeper relationship with my parents. So I'm grateful for that.

• 8:58Jay Shetty?

  I love hearing that. I think, you know, I often think that my parents as well. They don't really tell me a lot about their childhood because they don't think it's that interesting or important, or they just see it as normal. And as I've got older, I've realized that actually, hearing about your parents and how they grew up and what made them what they are is such an important activity and exercise in the development of the children.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:23Jay Shetty?

  And for their own healing and development too. So I'm so glad you raised that because I'm hoping that listeners, that people are gonna ask their kids, sorry, ask their parents a lot more questions. And kids are gonna go up to their parents and say, hey, tell me about this, or tell me about that.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I feel that it's definitely been like a wonderful experience for me. And I think it also definitely makes me feel like, you know, the impact that we have in our children, really without knowing, like, you know, them sitting here and looking back and saying like, wow, we wish we would have done better. And I think it's not about judging ourselves, but it's about, you know, recognizing that we are all learning. Because I think when you're a kid, you look up to your parents and you figure like, they know everything, right? And, and they don't, they're trying to figure it out. I go to my kids often and I say, I'm sorry, you know, sometimes I lose my temper, or I'm rushing about something,

• 10:20Speaker 02

  or I'm not listening as with, with, with the presence that, that, that I really want to at that moment. And then I, you know, and then I, I judge myself for that and I feel really bad. And, and, and I think judging and, and, you know, you know, being, it's not, I think it's about looking at it and saying, how can I do better? So I go to my children and I say, I'm sorry, you know, it takes me a second. I'm like, I'm sorry, mommy wasn't here fully when you needed me at that exactly, exact moment, but I'm here now and I'm sorry, you know, mommy's learning too. This is the first time I'm a mom and I'm, I'm doing the best that I can. But I would, I would love for you to help me to, to point something out, you know, whenever there's something that is, that you wish

• 11:05Speaker 02

  that mommy could do better, or you, or you see that, that, you know, like, express your feelings to me. Tell me how you're feeling about this. Because if you can tell me and we can have a conversation, then we can work through it. And I, you know, I, by no means I come in like, I'm your mother and I said so, so this is why you have to do this. No, I'm like, I invite them to say, you know, hey, you know, I, I, I'm doing my best and I'm learning. So, so let's learn together, you know, let's do this together. And, and I think it's been amazing because my kids talk to me, which with my parents, I didn't feel like I could, you know, speak with them about anything. I felt like there was definitely more like it is because I said so and you do it as I, you know.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  And I think with my children, you know, coming from that and feeling like I didn't really have a voice. Right? Um, I wanna give my kids a voice and, and, and, you know, of course there is things like, you're not gonna jump from the second story, you know, there's limits, you know. We got boundaries here, we gotta, we gotta have healthy boundaries. But I think it's, it's really important to, to, for me to listen to them and listen to their feelings, most importantly, because I think if we can teach them to open up and talk about their emotions and talk about their feelings, the chances are they're gonna grow up to be adults who are going to be able to really connect to their feelings and understand that is,

• 12:28Speaker 02

  that is this beautiful rainbow of emotions and that's all part of it. And it's all beautiful and it's all just here to inform us something and to show us like, oh, why am I feeling like this? Why is this trying to show me? What is this emotion trying to show me? Not to repress the emotion, but to look at it in a nourishing way, in a lovingly way, and saying, and look for, going deeper within and asking, why am I feeling that way right now? And it's only right now, right? Because at every moment, we are moving and we are changing and we are flowing and that's what life is, right?

• 13:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  It's just a moment, so, yeah.

• 13:04Jay Shetty?

  I love hearing that. I love hearing that. I, I think it's so refreshing to hear it. I think everyone right now needs to hear it the most because we're all feeling so much and experiencing so much. We've never, we've never probably felt this many, as you said, emotions on the rainbow as we do now because it seems like all of our... Our internal conversation is just alive, right? Like, we're reflecting more, we're thinking more, we're experiencing more because we've been in this position. And I wonder for you, one of the things that you speak about very emotively and beautifully is your love for the environment. And even when we started our conversation today, you were like, "Oh, I'm close to the environment right now,

• 13:49Jay Shetty?

  and I feel so like, I could hear the birds and..."

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Look at my cacao tree right now. That's my living room. That's a cacao tree. You see that one in the back right there?

• 13:58Jay Shetty?

  I love cacao.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Have you ever eaten that cacao, the actual fruit?

• 14:03Jay Shetty?

  No, I haven't. No.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like a white meat that comes from inside of it. And it's very, I mean, it's delicious. It's really sweet. And then from the meat, you take the seed and you can dehydrate it and put it in your smoothies or, you know, make chocolate and cookies.

• 14:19Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  But the actual fruit of it is this white gooey that is around the seed and is delicious. So, it's right there. So, it makes me happy. I mean...

• 14:29Jay Shetty?

  That sounds amazing. I want some now.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Okay, next time I go see you, I'll bring you some from over here, from my plantation. But, but yeah, I mean, I think nature, I mean, quite frankly, like, I don't, like, I feel like we are nature. I don't think we are separate from nature. I think, um, I think when, when we forgot that we were nature is when we start creating all the problems that we are living today. I think when we, we thought that we were separate and more powerful and somehow we could control nature, um, or we could just, or the nature was here for us to use, you know? It's, I think, when we, we got out of balance, you know?

• 15:12Speaker 02

  I think this, this, I think to be able, if we can go back to this, to this respect and this love and this, and this feeling of connection to nature, we can then... Really find this connection and this feeling of love for ourselves because I think it's intertwined, you know, I think that nature is here as the highest frequency of a living being, right, nature, it's our biggest teacher because she just, she's in balance if it wasn't for human activity, right, she's perfect, like there's, in nature, everything works out exactly as it needs for all of life to thrive, you know, for every living

• 15:56Speaker 02

  being that is that we're sharing this planet with and she's perfect in the way that she knows, you know, when it must rain, when it must, it's just that, you know, we as humans, I think can fortunately greed and this desire for control and to conquering, you know, it's, I think it's, I think, hopefully we're shifting more to a time of collaboration and I think we need that more than ever now, you know, of coming together in unity and community and I think if we can do that, we can really live much happier lives, that's what I think.

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• 18:40Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 18:41Jay Shetty?

  I think you're right. I loved what you said there about how nature knows exactly what to do when. And it's all linked and connected because I often think like everything in nature is serving.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 18:57Jay Shetty?

  Everything in nature is always giving, like a tree is giving shade and a fruit's giving taste and a flower is giving a scent and like everything in nature is giving, giving, serving, serving. And when you said about humans, like it is true that humans are about getting and holding and keeping. And it's that greed that you mentioned, like we're not in line with nature because we're not serving anymore. When we're serving, we're aligned with nature. When do you, how do you think people who feel like nature's not really like, they feel disconnected from it or they don't, they don't really quite understand? Like when you said we are nature, how do you think someone experiences that in a simple way? Like what's been, what's been your way of helping people experience and understand that?

• 19:39Speaker 02

  I mean, I think being present, I mean, for me, it's, It's just like everything, right? Because since I was a little kid, like I grew up in a small village. So being barefoot in nature and climbing a tree to pick up a fruit. Or, you know, just the sun rises every day and sets every day. The opportunity to just witness it, you know? The beauty of it is amazing to to hear the birds sing. It's just, it's, it's just, I feel like it's, it's always, it's always here reminding us, be present, be here, the wind in our face. The, you know, it's just feeling the sun like, you know, even when it's freezing outside and it's snowing outside,

• 20:24Speaker 02

  you can feel the sun in your face like how it's, it's like a warmed kiss, you know? It's, it's, it's all these elements, everything is here. It's like the grass on your feet, feeling the earth, the coolness of it. Feel like how it supports you, feel like, I don't know. For me, everything about nature is the gift, you know? Everything, I mean, every moment I look at the food in my plate, I'm like, wow, look at the variety of, look at the variety of fruits and flavors and colors. And I mean, you know, like in a, just in a salad, you can have like 10 different colors of greens and oranges and carrots and beets. And I don't know, it's like, it's, it's, it's abundant, you know? That's the thing I think we have to remember like,

• 21:08Speaker 02

  because you, you understand that we are co-creating our reality. And, and, and we are basically like little radio frequencies, right? We are like antennas and the universe that doesn't understand better, good, he understands frequency. So if we are vibrating in this frequency of love, of gratitude, of connection, we just create, we attract more of that in our life, more of those things just coming to our life. And then you noticing it, you can eat a pa- a plate of food, just. Swallowing it without like appreciating and and that's not going to bring you joy or you can eat it with like gratitude for every little for the farmer who made it possible to be here for the sun who nourishes for the for the soil who nourishes for the

• 21:52Speaker 02

  for the bee who pollinates you know for all of this and then suddenly that thing that could be so so like when I'm eating a plate of food becomes like oh I'm eating a plate of food like ah it's it's just it's a and then life becomes magical you know it's just a it's just a perspective it's just a way of looking at life in a state of awe and like wow like it's it is because that's what it is is abundant and and if we can be in that state we're gonna just create that more in our lives and in the life around us is is just how it is because as we become brighter everything becomes brighter around us as

• 22:33Speaker 02

  we become more love more filled with love more filled with gratitude more wonderful things happen in our life and more we can expand that and more in our families in our communities and I think that's how we transform the world you know I think it always starts with us and it starts with us you know having the moment to to to really look at at the gift that life is and and and at every moment nature is on on on everything right is it's literally I mean it's everywhere

• 23:09Jay Shetty?

  No that is such a beautiful answer because actually just hearing you speak about it that was infectious and contagious like it was just you have to be around someone and you when you were doing that you and my wife Radhi when you talk about food and nature you're literally this on the same frequency because Radhi the other day we were driving and she was like oh my god oh my god I was like are you okay like what's wrong like I I'm driving safe like what's going on she was like look at the moon look at

• 23:38Speaker 02

  Yes you see but to live and that is to live like a child right

• 23:43Jay Shetty?

  Yes

• 23:44Speaker 02

  Because then you're like Oh my god, it's like, and I love that about her. Like, I see her videos and when she's cooking and she's... It's so beautiful. It's so like, it is joyful because it is... I mean, how amazing is that we have food in our plate? How amazing that we have this abundance? And then I think nature is abundant. Really, that's the natural state of nature. And I think for us too, as humans, I think that's where we, who we are. If we are in balance, if we are connected to our spirit, to our essence, and not to all these different things from outside. Because usually, I don't know if you noticed, but like if you watch bad news, suddenly you're having a great day, then you watch a bad news, and then suddenly you're consumed with fear.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  And then now, like, your state of your emotions and everything has changed. And now you're in the dumpsters and you're stuck there and you're like, you know? So I feel it's like, you know, one thing that's very important is to like witness, to see where your attention is going. Like, where is your energy? Check in with yourself. Am I vibrating in what frequency? Am I vibrating in fear? Am I vibrating in love? Maybe put post-it notes in your house, in your mirror, in your fridge, some places in your house, just asking yourself this question. In what frequency am I connecting with right now? And then, just to be aware of that. Because I think the only people... It's like the way you shift the channel, right? You switch the channel in the radio station as you're driving,

• 25:10Speaker 02

  and suddenly you listen to an awesome song and then like some song... Like, what's that? You just... It was just my vibe. You changed my vibe. You switch the channel, and I go back and you find the vibe you want to be in, right? You're not gonna sit there listening for two hours to a song or whatever, for however long, the song that is like, you're like, oh, this song is giving me a headache, right? You're gonna change the station and you're gonna tune into a new song that vibrates with the frequency that makes you feel good. So you can be in your car singing, you know, and having fun. So I think that's the same thing in our life, right? We are experiencing something at every moment. Things are coming at us, you know? Situations, you know?

• 25:50Speaker 02

  We are experiencing a variety of emotions and feelings and situations throughout the day. And I think if we can check in with where our frequency is and... And decide then consciously, being present to understand where it's taking us. And if we wanna be there, then that's okay. But if we don't wanna be there, to shift that and change, you know, that frequency cell.

• 26:14Jay Shetty?

  When did you discover meditation as a tool? Is it something you always had? Is it something that was new? And where did it develop? Because I know you've meditated for a long, long time now. And, you know, we spoke about that at length last time and we connected over it. But please tell our audience, yeah, where did it start? And what path have you taken with it? What role does it play in your life?

• 26:36Speaker 02

  I mean, meditation is like one of those tools that I'm very grateful I have in my toolbox. You know, we go through life and we go through different challenges. And then we acquire different tools to deal with whatever situation we are going through at that moment. And I think meditation was one of the most precious tools I acquired throughout my journey here. You know, almost 20 years ago, in my early twenties, you know, I had severe panic attacks and depression. And I didn't really know what was going on with me because I looked at my life and I was like, everything is perfect.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  And but I was feeling depressed and I, you know, and I developed a very intense anxiety for like over a year. I was dealing with it and meditation just came into my life then. And not only meditation, it was actually yoga at first. And I started practicing yoga. And then because I was having this depression and severe panic attacks, I shared with the teacher what I was going through. She's like, actually, the best thing for you would be let's start with pranayama to, you know, alternate the nostril breathing, mostly specifically to help you get back into your body and balance your left. And you know, it's so good to like just get you centered.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  And then we're gonna do some meditation and then we're gonna do the asanas, which is the movement. So my hour class was like about 15 minutes of pranayama, 15 minutes of meditation and then 30 minutes of. of uh you know the asanas and and that's how it started my meditation practice um yeah almost twenty years ago oh my god I can't believe oh my lord wow yeah I know it time flies and um and and since then it's been an incredible tool in my life because you know I went to every doctor everything to to try to to do it what was going through but after about two three months of practicing daily you know is the commitment you make to yourself it's like nothing is gonna happen if you do it once in your life and you're like why it didn't work

• 28:39Speaker 02

  right it's like it is like everything else in life if you want to achieve something it takes focus it takes dedication it takes commitment right and and I committed myself to that because my other option was to feel I mean I didn't really have another option I felt like either I was gonna die of a you know or or um that was my that was my my way my my I I chose life I chose to to to do something for myself um every day that every day I feel better and a little better and a little better and then after that I to be honest with you I cannot live without it so I would say is an essential part of my life I wake up and especially after becoming a mom you know where like your time is no longer yours there's a part I I say is like after you become a mom is

• 29:24Speaker 02

  a rebirth because there's a part of yourself that dies for this new you to to to be born because before it's all about you know what you wanna do and you wanna do it yeah sometimes you make you know you let your husband decide or but mostly you know you kinda do what you what you know what time you wanna eat what time you're gonna go to sleep and and when you have kids is like it's becomes all about this little ball of love and and and you don't sleep and you know so so it becomes even more important I think to take care of ourselves because how can you give from a from an empty vessel right if your glass is empty uh how you gonna drink from it how is anyone gonna drink from it so I just meditation, you know, I wake up at four, four thirty in the morning.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  I meditate every day for twenty minutes, just, you know, it's just part of like filling my glass, you know, start the day, nourishing myself, so then I can give nourishment to my kids, my dogs, my husband, my family, the world, like everyone that I wanna share my love with, you know. But I noticed that it really gives me a lot of energy, you know, just to have this practice of meditation. And then I do thirty minutes of yoga, usually asanas, every morning before the sun rises. And then I just sit in silence and I just look at the sun rising. And then I just take in that energy and I just, you know, one more day I get to be here.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  And I think to start the day with that kind of intention and gratitude is like, it changes everything, right? Because then you already start the day. And if everyone is like, "Mom, I want this, Mom, I want that." The dog is screaming, the cats fighting, and like, you were like, "Okay," like, you know, your glass is full. So like, you can start emptying little by little. And I think, yeah, it started that, you know, like almost twenty years ago. But yoga and pranayama and meditation, they're still tools. They're very much a part of my life and they're essential, I feel, for my well-being and for my sanity, to be honest with you. For my, for my, uh, they're just essential. They're just tools that I'm never, you know, I'm never giving back.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  They're mine. Yeah. I'm like, I really, I really use those tools a lot and I'm very grateful I have them, so.

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• 33:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well, I think anyone who's done something for 20 years is proof that, you know, it's like you don't let something last for 20 years if it's not really improving your life. I wonder, I'm asking this as advice for when me and Radhi have kids. How do you introduce your kids to meditation? Do you, do you wait? Because it feels like sometimes children feel forced into these things and they feel like, you know, it's not obviously creative for them. Have you introduced them to it, I wonder?

• 34:24Speaker 02

  You know, it has been very natural. It's not, I agree with you 100%. I don't think it's something you force, because I think for anybody, right? If you force something to a child, if you force something to an adult, like you don't want anyone forcing you anything. I think it's, I think force is never the way. I think the example is always the way. So for example, my kids, I have a picture, it's so funny, of my daughter when I was, because I was practicing yoga, obviously, with my kids when they were in the belly and when they were babies. I have this funny picture, my sister actually took it, I was so happy she was there. I was doing, you know, I was just practicing meditation. My little, my daughter came, she was like crawling, she came and did the same position as me, I mean, she was less than a year old.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  So it's just how they witness, or like I'm sitting in meditation, just in silence, and my kids will wake up and go sit in my lap, like they know, because they've seen this for all their life, right? And they don't say anything, they just come and they sit or next to me, or on top of me, and then they just stay there. Sometimes they stay for five minutes, 10 minutes, I don't know, sometimes, you know, they just kind of come on their own time. And, um, and I think that's how it has always been, you know? Or sometimes, you know, they see me like doing my asanas and they come and they want to do it with me. They usually don't stay around for a long time, you know, they never complete the, the practice, but they're always, you know, not always, but I would say a lot of times,

• 35:49Speaker 02

  they're always exposed to it, and they will come and do it as they please. Like I said, sometimes they will come and sit for 10 minutes, sometimes for one minute. Sometimes they will do three asanas and they leave. You know, so it's, it's just, and then it's just part of their life, and then whenever they're ready and they feel they want to do more, then I'll be very happy to do it with them, but it's, but it's not something that I, you know, it's just something that is around their life and they're used to seeing and they walk in and out of it, let's say it that way.

• 36:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well, well, what I love is that recently, you're giving everyone the opportunity to meditate with you, because you've created this beautiful series with Insight Timer, you partnered with the app to create these meditation sessions. So now you don't have to be your kid or, or your husband to meditate with you, everyone gets an opportunity to meditate with you, uh, which is really special. Tell us a bit about why you felt now is the time for you to create some of these recordings and meditation so that people can meditate along with you. What was it about them? Tell us about the themes and what you hope people are going to get out of them.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  You know, I, like I said, you know, meditation has been um, really a, a, a, a very, very important tool in my life and has brought so much, uh, so much, like I can't even explain, you know, has given my life back in so many ways, right? From depression and anxiety to, to having this appreciation and this, and just this life that I have today, I don't think it would have happened without these tools and, and I feel, and I wanted to share that especially when, you know, we were this is, what, what we just experienced this past year is, is, uh, you know, it's like, I is not something that none of us was, were prepared for, we can't be prepared for, is, and, you know, unprecedented, like, we never experienced something like this before.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  And all I wanted so much was to, was to share some love and, and, and to, and to try my best to and what it is, like, you know, I, I, anything that helps me, I always wanna share with people that I love, like, you know, I wanna share with my sisters, I wanna share with my friends and and I feel like meditation was such a powerful tool to, that transformed my life more than anything else and I felt how can I share this with as many people as possible and I, and I chose in the whole idea with Insight Timer is because it was a free, it was for free, right? So everyone could access it and I was like but it was also, uh, uh, you know, it was also a challenge for me in some ways because I was coming from this deep desire of how can I share, but I usually meditate in silence, right?

• 38:21Speaker 02

  I just use, I have used Insight Timer for years, just the baso, you know? And then I usually, uh, like to choose the monks, uh, the sound of monks or the sounds of nature. But then I just used the timer, I never really had done a guided meditation, but then my friends had said, Giselle, you know, you always meditate, why don't you do that? And they, this opportunity came up and I say, well, I'll try. And then my first one was hope in times of uncertainty, because that's exactly how I felt that we were living. I said, and I feel like hope is is the most important, is the spark of life that can never die, that's what pushes us forward, that's what keeps guiding us to to, to create and to be the creative beings that we are, so hope is essential, like

• 39:04Speaker 02

  so I, the first one was hope in times of uncertainty and it was just about, I just started writing about how I felt about hope, you know, and And what I wanted, what I, you know, it was just about how can I share this, this feeling? How can I send my love out? And, and maybe this will make someone who's feeling alone or who is not feeling hopeful to feel love and to feel hopeful and to feel connected. So it came from that place of, of wanting to share, to, to, to, to just help in any way that I could. And I felt like I couldn't see, quite frankly, any other way to, to help. So I thought, maybe I'll try this. And so, so I did that meditation and then I did one for children, which was actually

• 39:46Speaker 02

  very helpful to me because my daughter, she's going through this phase where she's afraid of the dark, so she never can sleep in her room alone. She shows up in my, my bed like four times a night, to the point that now she's my roommate. She's sleeping in my bed because I'm like, I just need to sleep. But I was actually, I created the meditation um, uh, for, for kids. And, and when she's afraid, like initially, when she starts in her bed, I put it for her. And when I leave it, she listens to the voice and it's very soothing. So she falls asleep. So it actually has been working for me because then I can leave the room and I can just put the meditation. And I go back like 10 minutes later and she's like, and she's sleeping, right? I mean, she still wakes up sometimes in the middle of the night, but, but at least she

• 40:30Speaker 02

  falls asleep, you know, instead of like two hours getting her to sleep, became like 10 minutes. So it was helpful. So I, I just, I just kind of, it was very intuitive, you know, whatever I felt like, oh, I want to write about this. So I feel like at this moment, it was just very like it just kind of came up. And then I thought, I'll do a meditation, you know? Like now, my next one that I'm gonna do is gonna call, um, I, I want to do one about stress and anxiety because I feel like that's really present right now in the collective. I think that's a lot of people are going through a lot of, you know, um, a lot of, a lot of stress in so many ways, you know? And, and so my next one, I'm, I already started writing it, is gonna be about, you

• 41:15Speaker 02

  know, how my take on how I can, I can, um, hopefully.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Alliviate that in some way. That's my intention at least. I hope it works. So.

• 41:27Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful. I'm sure it will work. I mean, it sounds so wonderful and and I love hearing about it. And, you know, after this, I'm gonna go straight on and and listen in and I can't wait for the new one to come out as well. There's already, I believe you've already recorded five up there and there's more coming out.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:44Jay Shetty?

  There's already plenty of incredible recordings you've done. And yeah, I can't wait to listen to that one. And, you know, I know that you recently also hosted a hour-long livestream about starting a meditation routine. And one of the most amazing things I saw, and that livestream was on Insight Timer, the app. And I, when I, I've had a meditation routine now for probably around, it's been about 16 years now that I've had a meditation routine. And it's been one of the biggest, the best commitments in my life. And also last year, I saw so many people starting a meditation routine during the pandemic to help them cope. Tell us a bit about how you recommend it to people, how to start a meditation routine.

• 42:29Jay Shetty?

  And also, I guess, the good thing is that your meditation's on Insight Timer can be a part of people's routines as well. They can listen to them at the beginning of the day and the end of the day, whenever they need it. So, tell us a bit about how to start a routine.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  For me personally, you know, like I said, like I like to do my routine early in the morning when I know I'm not gonna be interrupted. When everyone is at sleep, because I know for sure there's gonna be no dogs barking, no kids screaming, you know, nothing is gonna take that that moment of silence, because I think especially as you start silent, to be in a silent space, it's it's it's helpful, right? Then to be in a place where that

• 43:08Speaker 02

  so, so, but but I love the Insight Timer and even the different types of meditations I created. Like, for example, Hope, in times of uncertainty, you can listen to anytime. But I did one that is reflections, like before going to sleep. So it was more focusing on people they were having, they were tossing and turning in bed and they were having a hard time sleeping. That was more focused for that. And then I did a morning meditation, which was more about, you know, starting your day with a sense of like, let's go get it, right? The state of gratitude and presence and. So each of them had a different focus, but Insight Timer doesn't have just the meditations I created. The great thing about them, they have so many different types of meditations.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  For people who enjoy having a guided meditation, which I do think is very helpful for someone who has I agree. The monkey mind, you know, I think when you are, you know, you know a lot about the monkey mind too, right? It's like we, we all have it. So I think when, when you have the monkey mind all the time, especially in the times, you know, we are overloaded with information and disinformation right now, I think it's hard to shut off the mind. So I would suggest finding a time during the day, I would suggest the same time every day, like everything in life, right? If you can create like a, I'm, I'm big on schedules because I feel like when I have a schedule, it's like this is what's happening at this time, at this time, at this time, I feel like I can get a lot more in.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  And I feel like it gets organized. Within the schedule, there is flexibility, but it's nice to kind of visualize and write it down and organize it. Okay, at this time is the best time. Because then you also give yourself better chance of succeeding, right? Because you know, like for myself, I know that the best time for me will be early in the morning. Because that's in my life what works best. But I think every person um has a different lifestyle. So I think it's about really being honest with yourself and when you are writing down your schedule of your day, to figure it out what's the best time for you. And then I would suggest to do it at the same time every day. And I think um, you know, if you can start with a guided meditation and once you feel very comfortable with that,

• 45:14Speaker 02

  um, you can, you know, like I really enjoy just sounds of nature or, you know, just put a timer. Uh, so you know that, you know, that for the next ten, fifteen, twenty, thirty minutes, however much time you, you, you decide you're gonna do. And I don't think there's any right or wrong, you know, how much time you do it. I think the longer you do it, the more benefits you will feel, you know, but I think more important than the length is the consistency, I would say.

• 45:42Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Because I say it's more about, it's like you brush your teeth every day, right? It doesn't work if you brush your teeth 10 times tomorrow, but if you didn't brush it for like 10 days, I mean, imagine the situation of your teeth. So it's kind of like the same thing. It's like, it's like if you don't sleep every night, you don't get to recharge. And I think in the same way I see meditation is almost like the same benefits that sleep gives to your body, which is allowing it to rest in your mind and to recharge. Meditation does for your brain, for your spirit. It allows it to like release all that chatter. And, and, and, and I think that's what, um, the best, you know, that's, it's as important as sleeping. It's as important as eating. I mean, to me it is.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  And I feel like when you find, you know, that's why I'm doing it for almost 20 years. And I think that, um, if people commit to it, they will pretty soon find out the same thing that you and I have found out about the power of meditation, you know?

• 46:41Jay Shetty?

  I love that. That's such great advice. I, I love what you said about consistency versus the idea of length, the idea of doing it at the same time every day. And for anyone who's listening or watching and of course wants to go and listen to those meditations right now, you can go and download Inside Timer and, and, and take the experience for yourself. And I always said that to everyone, you have to experiment, you have to try it out. Like you won't know until you do it. And for people who've been meditating for many, many years, it's because someone made us try it and experiment with it. And that's why it's become a part of our lives. So Jazal, you've been so generous and kind with your time today. I'm so glad we got to steal you away from your family and, and your children

• 47:22Jay Shetty?

  and everyone else. But we're going to end with our final five, which is our rapid fire, fast five round. So every question has to be answered in one word or one sentence maximum. That's it.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Okay, one word or one sentence. Let me try that.

• 47:37Jay Shetty?

  Yes. All right. Are you ready, Jazal? This is your final five.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Let's go, final five.

• 47:42Jay Shetty?

  All right. Okay. What is the best advice you've ever received?

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Don't take things personal.

• 47:53Jay Shetty?

  Oh, that's really good. I like that. What is the worst advice you've ever received?

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 48:05Jay Shetty?

  You blocked it out.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  I probably blocked it out. I don't know what's the worst advice. I guess I didn't listen to it. I was like, no, I'm not gonna listen. I'm not gonna remember. That's not worth it.

• 48:16Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Question number three. What is your current purpose? How would you define your current purpose in life?

• 48:23Speaker 02

  To be the best version of myself.

• 48:26Jay Shetty?

  I love that. Alright, question number four. What's something that you're trying to learn right now?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Everything.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  Whatever comes my way. No, I'm trying to learn how to, the most impactful and fastest way to regenerate our planet.

• 48:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love seeing you share about that. I'm excited to see what you uncover. Fifth and final question. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 48:55Speaker 02

  When you give is when you receive. I wanna say like, how can I say this the best way? It's like,

• 49:02Speaker 02

  when we can give from like this place of our open heart, right? I know it's one word, but it's hard to say that. It's, I guess, in one word, giving is really receiving, right? It's like, I think the more like, the joy that comes from giving is the gift, right? Is the biggest gift. So, when we can,

• 49:22Speaker 02

  that was not one word.

• 49:23Jay Shetty?

  No, it doesn't need to be one word. That's right. There was just one law. If everyone had to do one law. So you were right. It doesn't have to be one word. One sentence, fine.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Discovering that the receiving is in giving, right? Like, does that make sense? Like, I wanna say like, giving is the actual gift. When we can just give from our hearts, the joy that comes from that, it's the most, is the biggest gift we actually give ourselves, I feel.

• 49:52Jay Shetty?

  It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. And that would be, that would be an amazing, amazing Lord. Gisele, you've been so wonderful and gracious again with your time. And I literally, your, your energy is infectious. Like through the screen, I'm like, it's so contagious. I feel like, I feel like there's no way I can't not love the environment now. There's no way that I not meditate. You've, you've removed all excuses. And I love seeing you. I saw you post on Instagram the other day about how you're, you and your children rescued a baby hummingbird. And, and it was just so beautiful to see. Like, I love what you share. And I'm just so grateful that you exist. And I'm so happy that you share so openly and abundantly with the world, your,

• 50:35Jay Shetty?

  your energy and what you're sharing with your children. So, thank you so much. I appreciate you and your time so much.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Thank you, Jay. And I appreciate you and all you do. Thank you so much. And have a beautiful day. Lots of love to you. And lots of love to everyone listening. And I hope you all try meditation if you haven't yet.

• 50:58Jay Shetty?

  Thank you, Gisele. Thank you so much. I want to thank you. When you, when you came on my podcast last time, we were just, we were very early days. And I wanted, you know, this was such a wonderful connection. So, I look forward to seeing you again and giving you a big hug too. Give my love to the family.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I want to know when you guys are doing, planning a growing family. Please, you guys are going to have the best babies.

• 51:22Jay Shetty?

  We're coming for tips. We're coming for tips.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Okay, let me know. Let me know when you're ready.

• 51:27Jay Shetty?

  Thanks, Gisele.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Lots of love. Bye. Take care.

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