Dr Joe Dispenza: The Formula For Transforming Your Life

What if your greatest limitation is simply what you believe is possible? After witnessing thousands of people transform their lives in ways that continue to challenge conventional thinking, Dr Joe Dispenza believes we're capable of far more than we've been taught to believe. In this episode, Jay Shetty sits down with Dr Joe to explore how our thoughts, emotions, and habits shape our reality, why so many of us stay trapped in familiar patterns, and what it takes to create lasting change. Together, they unpack the science of meditation, the power of intention, and how changing your inner world may be the first step toward changing your life. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty PURPOSE10 for 10% at altrarunning.com/onpurpose. Free Shipping and Free 30-Day Trial. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the Personal Price Plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. On Purpose is now Netflix and Spotify exclusive http://www.netflix.com/onpurposewithjayshetty https://open.spotify.com/show/5EqqB52m2bsr4k1Ii7sStc?si=33f7898fb334437c JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast Experience Dr Joe's teachings in person at one of his immersive week-long retreats held around the world. Learn more and explore upcoming events: https://www.events.drjoedispenza.com/retreats Dive deeper into the research. Explore Dr Joe's published scientific papers and the studies referenced throughout this podcast: https://drjoedispenza.com/scientific-research What We Discuss: 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:46 Self-Knowledge Is True Power 00:01:56 How Your Beliefs Are Formed 00:06:21 Living in a Virtual Reality 00:08:49 What Real Change Looks Like 00:15:35 Childhood Beliefs That Still Control You 00:17:15 The Limits of Your Emotions 00:19:19 Stop Reinforcing Negative Thought Patterns 00:26:13 The Gap Between Your Old and New Self 00:28:58 Escape the Negative Thought Loop 00:31:22 Why Pattern Interruptions Matter 00:33:23 Stop Scrolling Before Bed 00:36:18 The Woman Who Regrew Her Colon 00:44:43 How Meditation Changes Your Body 00:46:12 Can Meditation Change Reality? 00:49:01 Do Alternate Realities Exist? 00:50:26 Where Attention Goes, Energy Flows 00:55:56 The Power of Collective Healing 01:00:21 Transformations Backed by Science 01:03:45 Joe on Final Five Episode Resources: Website | https://drjoedispenza.com/ YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/user/drjoedispenza Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/DrJoeDispenzaOfficialNewsFanPage Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/drjoedispenza/ LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjoedispenza/ TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@drjoedispenza X | https://x.com/DrJoeDispenza Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 3:00Jay Shetty?

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• 3:10Jay Shetty?

  Hey, it's Jay. I don't know what your day's been like, but I was just thinking about you for a minute. And I hope you're being a little patient with yourself because you deserve it. And yeah, I'll talk to you soon.

• 3:33Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Today, I'm sitting down with one of the most popular requested guests on the show. He's here for his fourth time, Dr. Joe Dispenza, researcher, teacher, and bestselling author who has spent decades studying the neuroscience of change and how people can transform their brains, their bodies, and their lives. Dr. Joe Dispenza, welcome back to On Purpose.

• 4:02Joe Dispenza?

  Happy to be with you, Jay.

• 4:03Jay Shetty?

  It's always great to be with you. I feel like I learn so much. I feel like my audience loves seeing us together. You have an incredible community of people that are looking for your advice all the time. And I wanted to start off by asking you this. Right now, in 2026, what's the most common thing you hear from people that come to you that feel stuck?

• 4:27Joe Dispenza?

  I think people come to our events for all kinds of reasons. Some people come because they have health concerns and they want to transform their health. Some people want a greater expression of love in their life. Some people want abundance. Some people want a mystical experience. But really, what people really come for is wholeness, right? And so, given the proper information, people can understand information, they can learn information. Knowledge is power, but knowledge about yourself is self-empowerment. And so, the only way people actually arrive at their vision or their goals is to change. They can't be the same person. They have to change in some way. That means they have to think differently. They have to believe in different things. They have to make a lot of different choices.

• 5:11Joe Dispenza?

  They gotta demonstrate new behaviors. They gotta set their goals and repeat an experience enough times that it leads to the outcome and they gotta feel differently, right? And people come for all kinds of reasons, but I think the big reason that people come for once they get beyond themselves is a greater expression of wholeness.

• 5:28Jay Shetty?

  For anyone who says, "I can't believe that changing my beliefs changes my life, or changing my thoughts changes my life", what would you say to them?

• 5:36Joe Dispenza?

  I would say if you believe that, you can believe that for as long as you want. But what's a belief, right? A belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again, or information that you're exposed to enough times that it becomes more automatic, right? So we have a lot of beliefs that sit behind the scenes of our awareness. And for the most part, those beliefs never come to the surface until you want to believe in something else. Until you say, "I want to heal. I want to change. I want to become abundant. I want love in my life. I want the mystical experiences." And all of a sudden, the moment you're being defined by a vision of the future, right? All the hardwired thoughts and beliefs come up because that keeps us in the familiar past, right? So all beliefs are based on past experiences.

• 6:21Joe Dispenza?

  So a person who finally makes up their mind to change, they have to make a decision with such firm intention that the amplitude of that decision carries a level of energy that causes their body to respond to their mind. That the choice that they make to change becomes a moment in time that they would never forget. And the stronger the emotion we feel, the more we remember the choice, right? And we're branding that thought more neurologically in our brain. In other words, beliefs don't really change unless you come out of your resting state. People who finally make up their mind about anything in their life, they will tell you, "I remember exactly where I was, the time of day it was, who I was with", they can tell you everything about it because they created a long-term memory.

• 7:05Joe Dispenza?

  Many people who do our work, let's take people who, say for example, heal, right? Some people, you know, the chemo isn't working, the surgeries didn't work, the radiation didn't work, the drug trial didn't work, the diets didn't work. And they're kind of left with their belief in themselves, right? And if you believe in yourself, you have to believe in possibility. And if you believe in possibility, you better be believing in yourself. And so, the only way that we really can stay connected to the vision of what we want to believe in our future is when we feel the emotion of it. When you feel the emotion of your future, it's more prone to believe it's going to happen and you feel less separate from it. In fact, you can't look for it.

• 7:48Joe Dispenza?

  Why would you look for it if it feels like it's already happened, right? We can't attract anything in our life that we feel separate from, right? So the moment we default, we respond or react to someone or something in our life emotionally, the emotion we remember is residue chemically from the past. The moment we react and lose that feeling of our future, we no longer believe in that future. It's impossible because we're looking at the future through the lens of the past. The immediate default causes us to behave like we're in our past. That's a habit, right? And believe in our past. And there's always a story that goes along with that. People who heal from all kinds of chronic health conditions, a lot of times they'll say, "I did my meditations two or three times a day."

• 8:32Joe Dispenza?

  And I always say to them, "Why?" And they always say, "Because I stopped believing. I started doubting." Instead of staying in their doubt and their fear, or whatever limited emotion they're in, they sat down and when they finished their meditation, when they got done, they believed more in their future again. And that's exactly what allowed them to change because it's that image and that emotion, that thought and that feeling, that stimulus and response that's conditioning their body emotionally into the future. Keep doing that enough times, your body's going to believe it's living in that future reality. And it's so objective. As the unconscious mind, it cannot distinguish between a real-life experience that's creating the emotion.

• 9:16Joe Dispenza?

  And the emotion that we're fabricating by thought alone, the body's actually believing it's living in that environment. Now, the environment signals the gene, that's epigenetics. And so if you're feeling the emotion before the experience, you're signaling genes ahead of the environment. And you're literally biologically changing, your body's looking like it's living in a whole new environment. And that's exactly what our data shows. At the end of a seven day retreat, there's so many genes that are upregulated in people that their body looks like they're living in a whole new life. And they're in a ballroom, and there's nothing really spectacular about a ballroom. There's, you know, there's nothing there to stimulate them. It's happening within them.

• 9:53Jay Shetty?

  I remember actually reading a study a few years back when virtual reality was new. And there were studies showing that when you're experiencing a virtual reality through eye goggles, or some sort of technology, that your body is experiencing those same fears. So if there's a dinosaur running at you, your body's experiencing that. If you're rock climbing on your, on the edge of a cliff, looking down, you're feeling as though you really are, even though you're standing on solid ground.

• 10:19Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 10:19Jay Shetty?

  And so we already have an experience. And what you're saying is if you're actually visualizing that, or feeling that and believing it in your body, you're having that same type of experience.

• 10:29Joe Dispenza?

  Exactly. The brain can't distinguish between the real life event and what you're imagining. The brain will look like the experience has already happened. The early research that was done at the University of Washington was on burn victims with virtual reality. Because when people have third degree burns or more, when you take the bandages off the burned areas, it's extremely painful. So what they did is they created this virtual experience where they were in snow, with penguins, in a snowball fight. And they got so immersed in the actual virtual experience that they didn't feel the bandages being taken off, because that was real for them, right? So it could work in all kinds of wonderful ways as well.

• 11:11Jay Shetty?

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• 11:52Jay Shetty?

  And so I landed, I was with him, and then he said, tomorrow we're going skydiving. Now, I didn't have any intention to skydive. I did not want to skydive. I'd never done it before. But I felt a bit of positive peer pressure from my friend, and I always say yes to him. So I remember that night, I ended up watching skydiving videos on YouTube. And I would close my eyes, and I would visualize what it was going to feel like going up 10,000 feet, 13,000 feet, 15,000 feet into the air, what it could look like looking out. And I remember I visualized it around seven or eight times. And for the first seven times, I felt sick in my stomach. And then the eighth time, I didn't. And then when I went skydiving the next day, I was totally fine. And I was thinking, wow, like the ability to feel something I was going to experience in the future, that was something I was worried about.

• 12:37Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 12:38Jay Shetty?

  We always hear that regret or pain of the past, and worry or anxiety about the future, are the two places we get lost. How do you encourage people to look differently at their past and their future?

• 12:52Joe Dispenza?

  The definition that we've come up with, that seems to be our best definition of change, is being greater than your environment, right? And what's your environment made of? It's made of people, objects, things, and places, right? To be greater than your body, and if you're living in the familiar past, that's because you're experiencing some emotion, and that emotion is causing you to see your past, or remember your past. The default, of course, is always to try to predict the future based on the past. And if you can predict the future, that's the known as well. So the, the familiar past is the known, and the predictable future is the known. There's only one place where the unknown can exist,

• 13:35Joe Dispenza?

  and that's the sweet spot of the generous present moment. So to change is to be greater than the body as the mind. Because if you keep remembering a past experience, as you remember the past experience with certain people, at certain times, at certain places, as you remember that image of the past, you're thinking in the past, because you've experienced something with someone at some time or someplace, you have an emotion associated with it. So you feel the emotion of the past. And it's that conditioning process that conditions the body to subconsciously become the mind of that emotion. In other words, someone may even forget the trauma, you know, intellectually or consciously, but the body never forgets,

• 14:17Joe Dispenza?

  right? So now the body's conditioned emotionally into the past. If you run through a series of routine behaviors every single day, thinking the same way, making the same choices, doing the same things, creating the same experiences, feeling the same emotions, sooner or later, that's going to become habituated, right? And a habit is when you've done something so many times, that the body now knows how to do it better than the conscious mind, right? So to overcome the body when we change is to overcome the emotions that it's been conditioned to and its habits, right? And, and it turns out, it takes an enormous amount of energy, an enormous amount of awareness, to catch yourself from going unconscious,

• 14:58Joe Dispenza?

  right? So in the beginning, it's very tedious. If the change then is to be greater than time, you have to catch yourself going unconscious to the predictable future, and you have to catch yourself going unconscious and remembering the familiar past. Nobody is going to do that for you, right? But what we discovered is that in the first two days of like a seven day immersive experience, that our events are mostly seven days, the first two days is a lot of that. We call it overcoming yourself. There's a default mode network in the brain that consumes an enormous amount of the brain's energy. It's preoccupied all the time in doing that exact thing, always trying to predict the future based on the past. The

• 15:41Joe Dispenza?

  brain, in a sense, is an anticipation machine. So if a person's sitting in a meditation, and they start remembering what happened three days ago, or 10 years ago, or it starts recalling a memory, and the body starts getting aroused, starts getting frustrated, starts getting impatient, that's usually when the person says, I'm not a good meditator, or this isn't good for me, or I want to give up, or I'm going to get my cell phone, and let me scroll and go unconscious. But if the alternative is to catch yourself getting aroused, instead of giving up on yourself, work with your body and lower the volume to that emotion, and bring the body back into the present moment, that's a victory. Because you're telling the body it's no longer the mind, that you're the mind. And

• 16:25Joe Dispenza?

  if your body wants to get up and do something, and wants to plan, and wants to start thinking about how long is this going to go, what am I going to do tonight, or what am I going to do tomorrow, and you catch yourself going unconscious and forecasting a predictable future, instead of getting up and doing something, if you can execute a will that's greater than the body's program and its habituation, that's a victory as well. And it's just like taming an animal. If you keep doing it over and over again, sooner or later, the body's going to acquiesce. Sooner or later, the body's going to surrender to a new mind. And when that happens, it could finally relax into the unknown, which is, goes completely against

• 17:07Joe Dispenza?

  our biology. Our biology's programmed for survival. And in survival and in stress, better chances of surviving and staying alive if you run from the unknown. So it goes against our fundamental biology to work with people, to teach them how to find the sweet spot of the generous present moment. That is the place, that is the eye of the needle where we have to create from. It turns out that if we look at our functional brain scans of both novice meditators and advanced meditators, at the end of seven days, that default mode network, which consumes all that energy in the brain, literally turns off. The salience network and the default mode network on our FMRI studies, both in novice and advanced

• 17:50Joe Dispenza?

  meditators, at the end of seven days, the voice in their head, the critic in their mind, the one that's always talking to them, is always trying to predict the future based on the past, is silenced, right? So now the person can actually relax into the present moment. Turns out, if we ask them to open their eyes, when they open their eyes after the meditation, that network is completely shut off as well. The degree of change that takes place in seven days, looks like the person is on psilocybin. It looks like they're on some type of, you know, psychedelic chemical. More than likely, their nervous system's manufacturing the very chemicals that causes them to really relax into the present moment.

• 18:31Joe Dispenza?

  So the point is, is that if you practice this enough times, you get better at doing it. And, and I think that that's the, that's the key, right? To be able to catch yourself from going unconscious. We discovered the only way you're going to become more conscious... Is to catch yourself going unconscious. And as you catch yourself going unconscious over and over again, the thought, I can't. It's too hard. I'll never change. It's my mother's fault. It's that past experience. It's my ex. I, I, I don't want to do this. All of those voices sooner or later, a person has to come up against. And if you're curious, what's on the other side of that? And you go past that point, the brain also changed the most.

• 19:13Joe Dispenza?

  But in other words, you get to that point where you want to quit or you want to give up. That's, that's the boundaries of the known, right?

• 19:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Joe Dispenza?

  If you take people past that point and you teach them what to do. And they stretch themselves out of the known, that's when we start seeing the greatest biological changes that take place, both in the brain and the body.

• 19:31Jay Shetty?

  What are the childhood beliefs that keep adults emotionally trapped?

• 19:35Joe Dispenza?

  Probably the biggest one is that this doesn't feel good. Like when you, because change is really uncomfortable, right? And if you think about it, it's never going to be the right time. It's never the right time. The change is always going to be an excuse. There's always going to be a reason. And so when we use feelings as a barometer for change, we'll always talk ourselves out of change. Right? So how we've been programmed since we're young is that our reaction or our response to someone or something causes us to think about that person based on the memory we have of them and feel based on the experience we have with them equal to what we know about them. So then you may say to the person, why are you upset today?

• 20:19Joe Dispenza?

  I'm upset today because of that person or that circumstance. What they're really saying is that person or circumstance is controlling my feelings and my thoughts. And anything that controls the way we feel and the way we think, we are victim to, right? So there's this kind of unconscious program of victimization, I think, that we're waiting for something in our life to change in order for us to feel joy, right? And that's the old model of, of, of cause and effect, you know? The idea is causing an effect, right? So, so I think a lot of people, the easiest and simplest way to go unconscious is when our environment starts controlling our thoughts and feelings and ultimately our behaviors.

• 21:01Joe Dispenza?

  To change then is to think, to act and to feel differently in the same environment. And that's what allows our environment to begin to change.

• 21:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I mean, I always remember that old quote that says, you keep trying to ask God to change your situation, not realizing that God put you in that situation so that you can change.

• 21:23Joe Dispenza?

  Exactly.

• 21:24Jay Shetty?

  And it's a fascinating thing that we all get caught in where we're waiting for things around us, wishing, hoping that they were different. But we're being required, as you're saying, to live, think, breathe, move differently in that position, which when you hear that, it sounds impossible. Because forget just being unconscious, we're lost at the shallow level of like, what will people say? How will people think about what I'm about to do? Who am I going to let down? How do I feel about letting myself down? What does it feel like to grieve the old version of me?

• 21:58Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. I call that standing on the cliff. You're on the cliff, you gotta jump in the water. It's gonna be cold. You know, you gotta jump, right? And that, I think that is the boundaries. The boundaries of our belief, our, our emotions, right? Some people would rather cling to their suffering and their pain than take a chance in possibility, right? And you, you, when we, when we talk to people that have healed from a serious health condition, what we discovered was that they weren't doing their meditations to heal. They were doing their meditations to change. They thought, if I truly change, then I'll heal. And many people who do have that experience have this sense of temporality where they say,

• 22:42Joe Dispenza?

  I'm not that person any longer. I'm not, I'm someone else, right? And our personality is made up of how we think, act and feel. So if you're thinking differently, if you're acting differently and you're feeling differently, you're a different personality. The disease could very easily exist in the old personality and you're literally someone else. And, and our language specialists that, that study the language of transformation in our work say that exact thing. There's a sense of temporality where the person has a very distinct moment where they realize they're no longer that person, right? The disease exists, belongs to that person. I'm not that person any longer.

• 23:16Jay Shetty?

  What's a daily habit that we can do to start rewiring our thoughts that way?

• 23:22Joe Dispenza?

  I mean, the experiment is really simple. If I change, my life should change. Or better yet, nothing really changes in my life until I change, right? I think the first step, and this is what we've discovered, there has to be a reconceptualization of our understanding of reality. And that doesn't mean that people don't have a good understanding of reality. But if you really, really want to get serious about this, you gotta fill your brain with knowledge. You gotta fill your brain with information. And as you learn new information, you're, you know, you're making new connections in your brain. If you don't review it, if you don't repeat it, if you don't think about it, the circus prune apart within hours or days, right? So it's so much easier to forget this information than remember it because we're programmed into something else.

• 24:07Joe Dispenza?

  If you were serious, industrious, you would say, okay, I'm going to get this down. I'm going to learn. I'm going to understand. I'm going to understand what I'm doing. And I'm going to understand why I'm doing it. That's so important because that's when the how gets easier. Because you can assign meaning to what you're doing. There's no conjecture. There's no superstition. There's no dogma. There's no spiritual principles. Science is the language that demystifies the process. And all of life uses information to organize itself into form. Without information, a life can't give birth to anything new, right? So getting the information enough that you understand the practice, right? So a real simple practice, once you have the information is just to say, okay, I gotta unlearn and break the habit of being myself.

• 24:50Joe Dispenza?

  And I gotta relearn and reinvent a new self. And it would be a really good idea before I started my day, before I bring myself and present myself to the world. The hard part is the unlearning process because by the middle of our life, 95% of who we are really is hardwired beliefs, perceptions, attitudes, thoughts, automatic habits and behaviors and really addictive and conditioned emotional responses, right? 95% were unconscious, right? So the first step to change is becoming conscious of those unconscious thoughts. So write them down. What are those thoughts? What are those beliefs? What are the behaviors? Are you sitting on the couch and you want to be abundant or you want to get in shape? Are you doing, what choices are you making that are undermining that future?

• 25:34Joe Dispenza?

  What emotions that keep you connected to the past that you can't take to your future, right? You can't feel lack if you want to be abundant. You, you can't feel happy if you're feeling suffering, right? So if I could become so conscious of my unconscious thoughts that I don't go unconscious to them in my day or so unconscious of my habits that, that I default or my emotions, could I stay conscious my whole day? That would be a win, right? And then it would make sense, you'd have to prime your brain. What do I want to believe? Okay. What did I learn? Okay. I gotta remember to think this way. I gotta remember to think this way. I gotta remember to think this way. Nerve cells that fire together, wire together.

• 26:16Joe Dispenza?

  If a belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again, keep doing that and you're installing hardware. Practice it enough times, it becomes like a software program. That's the new voice in your head. You've installed a new belief. Now that's not enough. Because many people in this work, they start the work, they feel better, they're sleeping through the night. You know, they have more energy, they have less pain. But their health condition really hasn't changed from an objective standpoint. Their values, their blood values, their scans are still the same. Okay. Now I gotta get really good at doing it with my eyes open. How am I going to be in my day? One hour of a good meditation or 40 minutes of a good meditation? And the rest of my day, I'm unconscious and I'm in a program and reacting. Okay. How am I going to be with my coworker? How am I going to be with my ex?

• 26:59Joe Dispenza?

  How am I going to be with my, my partner, with my children? What would greatness look like? What would love do? And if you could close your eyes and mentally rehearse what you're going to do, there's such great research on mental rehearsal. Keep doing it enough times and rehearsing it. The brain cannot distinguish between what you're imagining in the real life event. In other words, if you do it enough times, your brain will look like you already did it. Your brain will look like the experience has already happened. You've primed your brain for the act. I gotta remember to act this way. And then could I teach my body emotionally? What my future will feel like before it happens? Now that goes so against how we've been programmed, right? Cause we need a reason for gratitude. We need a reason for joy, right?

• 27:44Joe Dispenza?

  And what we're saying is, is that if you can teach your body emotionally, what that future will feel like and remember to feel that way, remember to feel that way. And it's usually very heart centered emotion, right? If a person can get out of all those survival emotions and all those stress emotions, and there's always a thousand reasons why they shouldn't, justified or not, the only person that's hurting is themselves, right?

• 28:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 28:06Joe Dispenza?

  Okay, so now I know that those, the long-term effects of those hormones are gonna push the genetic buttons and create disease. I gotta maintain this emotional state. I gotta stay relaxed in my heart my entire day to day. And remember to feel this way. And the word meditation literally means to become familiar with. Become really familiar with an old self, so you don't go unconscious. And become really familiar with a new self. So a practice would be, okay, if I do this really well, and I do it, and maybe it doesn't, nothing changes for the first day or the second. Let me just go for two weeks. I'm just gonna work on change.

• 28:41Jay Shetty?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:42Joe Dispenza?

  I mean, how many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering? Right? That's the moment of change. We default, we go unconscious so many times, but the brain learns by mistakes. If you get serious enough, you're gonna make a lot less of those choices again, right? If I truly do this well, then there should be some effects in my life. And then when the synchronicities and the opportunities and the coincidences and the serendipities and the simultaneity of events start occurring, you start realizing, oh my God, I'm not the victim of my life any longer. I'm in fact, the creator of my life because that, that novel experience, the opportunity is telling you, oh my God, like, did I create that? And, and that's what causes people to become inspired to do it again.

• 29:26Joe Dispenza?

  So the experiment is, if I change, can my life change?

• 29:31Jay Shetty?

  As I'm listening to you, I want people to think about it like learning a new language. So if I'm learning a new language, I may practice it for one hour. But if I really want to make it my new reality, I have to talk in that language all day long.

• 29:43Joe Dispenza?

  Exactly.

• 29:44Jay Shetty?

  And now I'm hearing words in that language. I'm translating in that language. I'm connecting with people in that language. And all of a sudden, I'm now speaking this new language. Because I think when people hear about changing their beliefs and changing their thoughts, they think it's some wishy-washy fluffy ethereal idea. But the truth is, anything you're learning, it's like learning a new script.

• 30:02Joe Dispenza?

  Yes.

• 30:02Jay Shetty?

  You're learning a new script for your mind. You're learning a new script for who you wanna be, the script of the actor or the role that you wanna play in the world. A lot of people today are worried about grieving their past self. So there's a sense that you wanna move, or you need to change. But actually, you liked a lot about your last self. It just doesn't serve you anymore.

• 30:23Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 30:24Jay Shetty?

  How do you breathe that?

• 30:25Joe Dispenza?

  Look, I mean, I'm, I never wanna say, leave everything behind. Everybody has great habits and great skills. Everybody's done something great in their life once, you know? What we do know is that when you go from the old self to the new self, there's a gap. And you have to kind of cross this river. And that space is the unknown. Because the moment you decide to make a different choice and you feel uncomfortable, you've stepped out of the familiar known and you're in the unknown. And if the body has been conditioned to be the mind, that's when you hear the assault of all the voices. Start tomorrow, it's too hard, you're never gonna do it. It didn't work last time. Get to sit on the couch, watch, you know, scroll, whatever, you know, feel this way.

• 31:08Joe Dispenza?

  The body is telling you to go back to the familiar known. But if you're persistent, that discomfort is a dissonance that's taking place. You're no longer firing and wiring the same circuits in the brain. You're no longer making the same chemicals that are feeding your body or signaling the same genes. There's this kind of, this chaos that's taking place. Because the bodies and mind are no longer working the same way, right? And this is where most people listen to the voice in their head and says, that says, start tomorrow, and then they make the same choice and they do the same thing and they create the same experience and they feel the same emotion. They say, this feels right to me. No, that feels familiar. In a sense, the grief that we're feeling when we go from the old self to the new self

• 31:51Joe Dispenza?

  is a neurological, it is a biological, it is a chemical, is it is a genetic death of the old self. There's a withering away, right? And we're not asking people to white knuckle it. But then you'd have to agree with me that if you were in that place, the unknown, that is the perfect place to create from. If you can turn it around then, and you can start deciding on how you do wanna believe and how you do wanna act and how you do wanna feel, there's a period where the body is craving those chemicals, just like, just like an addiction. And if you just go past that point, you look back at your past and you, you see it, you see it in terms of everything you learned from it. It was, it served you, right? And so I think the, it's always worth the effort.

• 32:36Joe Dispenza?

  I think that people who finally cross the river and get to the other side, there's no grieving any longer. There's kind of like a triumph, right? There's a victory that takes place because they're, they've broken through.

• 32:48Jay Shetty?

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• 33:32Jay Shetty?

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• 34:13Jay Shetty?

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• 34:57Jay Shetty?

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• 35:42Jay Shetty?

  Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. I feel like one of the biggest experiences people have today is that they get stuck in negative thought loops.

• 35:59Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 36:00Jay Shetty?

  What's the fastest way to get out of a negative loop?

• 36:03Joe Dispenza?

  The first step is always recognizing that you're there.

• 36:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 36:07Joe Dispenza?

  The second step is justified or not. If someone or something is doing that to you, justified or not, the only person that's hurting is you, right? Then I mean, it's like drinking poison and asking, you know, for the other person to, to die, right? I mean, our response and our reaction is actually weakening the organism, right? So, so the second step then, once you realize that you could be victimized by that person or thing, the third step after that is to change it, right? And what we discovered is if you take some deep breaths, you slow your breathing down, you move out of that aroused state. If you place your attention on your heart and you say, oh, I'm gonna trade those emotions for a different emotion, we call it self-regulating.

• 36:51Joe Dispenza?

  And I think when it's the hardest, it matters the most, right? Cause anything past that's gonna be easy, right? So there are tools that help us to move out of that sympathetic or fight or flight system into a different system. The other thing is, is that you get to this point when you're, you're ruminating, right? You're thinking certain thoughts that are making certain chemicals that make you feel a certain way. The moment you're feeling a certain emotion, the brain checks in with the body and says, you're really miserable. And you start thinking more thoughts equal to how you're feeling, making more chemicals for you to feel the same way. And this cycle of thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking creates what we call a state of being, right? So anything that interrupts that process, and, and there's meditations that we use for that,

• 37:36Joe Dispenza?

  but it requires then a person being able to self-regulate, to catch themselves, to not blame anybody, to not make an excuse, and say, okay, I'm gonna move from one state of mind and body to another state of mind and body. Now, in the beginning, it takes, may take you time to excuse yourself and to get into that state and come back out. And you may lose it again, and you might have to do that a series of times. But just like anything else, like you said, the more you practice it, the better you get at it. And I, and I don't think it's, I don't think it's bad to do that. I think the challenge is, is how long? How long are you gonna do that for, right? Being able to break those patterns and interrupt those patterns. Breath is a big one. Heart-centered focus, open focuses, or broadening our awareness.

• 38:20Joe Dispenza?

  These are all things that create more order and coherence in the brain and body.

• 38:24Jay Shetty?

  What you're saying is that there's such a need for that pattern interruption because we get lost in these loops and patterns. For example, a lot of us wake up in the morning and the first thing we think is, I'm so tired. And then you have your morning coffee and it's nine AM and you're thinking, I am still so tired.

• 38:40Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 38:40Jay Shetty?

  And then you get to midday and you think our lunch is gonna be late and then you have lunch at two PM and you think, I am so tired. So you've had that thought multiple times already and now you make it through to six PM. You're thinking, oh, I've got to work a bit more. I'm so tired. And then somehow at ten thirty seven PM, you click next episode and watch another show and then you repeat the cycle again and again and again. Because you didn't interrupt that pattern.

• 39:02Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 39:02Jay Shetty?

  And I think when you're saying becoming conscious of the thought, whether you're talking about being able to breathe through it, whether you're actually saying like, write it down. What's that thought that keeps coming back up for you? Let me become really conscious and cognizant of that. And now what I do is almost like, it's almost like this and so it's like, I am tired and I'm gonna cancel my weekend plans.

• 39:25Joe Dispenza?

  Yes.

• 39:25Jay Shetty?

  Because now I'm able to actually make a shift and a change based on that thought. That thought is now data and useful, rather than the thought of I'm tired loops to I'm exhausted, loops to I'm overwhelmed, loops to I'm burnt out over weeks, months and years.

• 39:40Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, yeah. No, it's exactly how it is. And, and again, like you, you can only talk around this, right? I mean, you have to be in the river. You have to be in the river because you're more conscious and you're more awake, even though it's uncomfortable when you're in the river of change. And, and it's kind of funny because you're looking around to see if anybody else is doing it and you know, you don't even know. But that kind of moment where you realize, well, God, no one, no one has the answers but me.

• 40:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:06Joe Dispenza?

  No one's gonna come for me. I gotta do this myself. I think when people like heal from a health condition, it's, it's almost like their life depends on it, right? So they're really managing

• 40:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:17Joe Dispenza?

  their attention and they're really managing their energy by staying conscious all the time, right? And then I, I think you get better at it.

• 40:24Jay Shetty?

  Talking about ten thirty seven PM and clicking next episode, what's the one thing humans should stop doing before bed?

• 40:31Joe Dispenza?

  Oh God, there's no doubt about it. Images and stimulation. Stop scrolling. I mean,

• 40:36Jay Shetty?

  What's it doing? Tell me what's happening. If we were to scan someone's brain or scan someone's heart rate, if they were doing that before they go to bed, what are we gonna see? What's gonna shock us?

• 40:44Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. So, so there's a problem with attention, right? You're, as you shorten your attention span and you consume information that's stimulating, you're gonna, you're gonna create a shorter attention span without a doubt. But the real problem is the release of dopamine. It's the rush of dopamine that's created from the stimulation and the images. And the rush of dopamine is creates kind of this reward, a pleasure center in the brain. We don't know that, but it's kind of sublimating another disturbing emotion like emptiness or lack or fatigue or whatever. We're conditioning ourselves to become dependent on something to regulate our emotional states. But the pendulum swings the other way.

• 41:28Joe Dispenza?

  If you get seventy dumps of dopamine, the body's not used to that kind of reward, right? And so the receptor sites on the cells can't tolerate that immense amount of dopamine. So they, they, they close down. They become desensitized and now it requires more to turn it on the next time. So in a sense, we're starting to reset our pleasure centers, recalibrate them to a higher and higher level. So it's always gonna take more to turn them on. Now, the problem is, in the absence of that stimulation and you're not gaming or you're not scrolling or whatever,

• 42:08Joe Dispenza?

  you can't find pleasure from anything because your reward centers have just been hijacked to such a high level. And we experience this kind of adhedonia. And I can see it normally in, in young people. You can just look at a person when they've been on their device a long time, they're just glazed over, they're overdosed, you know, and they've overdosed. So when the pendulum swings the other way and you don't have that amount of dopamine, it becomes a problem because anytime you start feeling an uncomfortable emotion, you're not gonna consciously know you're doing this. But you're gonna scroll now and you're gonna become more dependent on the images and stimulation. And so when it comes time to learn, and learning should be a reward in and of itself.

• 42:51Joe Dispenza?

  A kid goes to school and, and they can't learn this because the, they can't pay attention because their, their, their reward centers are, are out of balance. And, and I think in the long term, when you face challenging problems in your life that you can't escape from, this could be a, a big issue in the future for a lot of people because you can't escape from something in your life and you need something outside of you to change your internal state, it's gonna be difficult to change for people.

• 43:19Jay Shetty?

  What's the biggest transformation you've seen?

• 43:22Joe Dispenza?

  Gosh, Jay, you know, my, my belief in what's possible in the last five years, maybe in the last two years, I would say, has changed so dramatically. I mean, I just, my belief in witnessing both the research that we've been doing in the last five or six years. We partner with the University of California, San Diego and, and Stanford and Harvard and some other schools, Johns Hopkins. And we're really interested in demystifying this process of change. So what we know from the research, this is insane, that at the end of seven days, people do not have the same face. The harmonicity of their voice is completely different. The language that

• 44:04Jay Shetty?

  Seven days?

• 44:05Joe Dispenza?

  Seven days. Their language is completely different. Their brain, I could talk for hours about it. Their brain is completely different. It's more, it's more organized, it's more coherent, it's more, it's more orderly. Their heart works better. Thousands of metabolites are upregulated in their blood. Their gene expression is different. Their microbiome is different without changing their diet, without taking a probiotic, without restricting in any way, without, without any external substance. Their breath is different. Their breast milk is different. Everything changes. Their gait, their, their, their posture, everything changes when we change, right? So I think the research has been super fascinating, but the reason that we've been doing all this research

• 44:51Joe Dispenza?

  really is because of the stories of transformation. The human in you may say, wow, that's really amazing. But the scientist usually says, if that happened, how did that happen? How did a stage four terminal cancer metastatic that spread to organs and to, and to bones in ten weeks completely vanish? And the PET scan shows no evidence of cancer, right? So our envelope of what I believe is possible has been stretched to such a great degree. Here's an example. We had a woman that had colorectal cancer. She went for surgery and they physically cut out that part of her body. They just cut out the colon and the rectum. And when you lose that area of your body, you kind of lose your dignity.

• 45:35Joe Dispenza?

  Um, because you're kind of chained to a bathroom. So she had a, a bag. But she, she said that she couldn't go more than ten feet from the toilet. That was her life, right? She got depressed. She couldn't sleep. And the doctors told her that it would, you know, she'd have to learn to live with it. And she just thought, maybe I could grow my, my colon back. So she lost nine centimeters of her colon. When she first started doing the meditations, she, she couldn't get through the first minute or two without having to go to the, to the toilet. And then she started doing them on the toilet and then, you know, she started practicing. And then after a period of time, she was able to go through a whole meditation

• 46:18Joe Dispenza?

  without using the, the, the toilet, which is a win for a person like that. Then she started noticing that she was changing more and she decided that she wanted to have the belief that she could grow her colon back. Now, I know that sounds insane. It was insane when I heard it as well. Long story short, she went on a two-year journey and came to a week-long retreat, went through every meditation, sat through every lecture without having to use the, the, the restroom. She went for a, a scan and she had grown five centimeters back.

• 46:52Jay Shetty?

  No way.

• 46:52Joe Dispenza?

  Wait, it's not done. Out of the nine centimeters she lost and then came to another event and then got her, got her final, um, measurement and she grew ten centimeters of her colon and rectum back and she lost nine. In other words, she regenerated tissue, right? Now, now, the crazy part about this is I saw the tissue. It wasn't scar tissue, it wasn't feeble tissue, it was brand new, juvenile, opalescent, vascular, fresh regenerated tissue. She, she regrew her rectum and colon back. So, I mean, what does that mean? Like, what does that mean?

• 47:31Joe Dispenza?

  It means that the human body has innate capacity to regenerate itself at any age if it's given the right information. Now, that's insane. That's not how we've been programmed.

• 47:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I mean, everyone listening is like, ah, really?

• 47:45Joe Dispenza?

  But if you look at our data, if you look at our data and you look at all of the, The information that we're capturing in the plasma of meditators, there's factors in the plasma that cause a resistance to viruses. And like, we wrote a paper about it, like, you take an advanced meditator and you put the COVID virus, the SARS virus, in the presence of an ACE2 receptor, and the virus can't enter the cell. There's some type of broad immunity that the meditator's making. We've isolated the protein that inhibits the virus from entering cell. Okay, so antiviral. If you take the plasma of an advanced meditator and you put it in the presence of a cancer cell, any type of cancer cell,

• 48:30Joe Dispenza?

  eighty-four percent of advanced meditators carry factors in their blood that take seventy percent of the energy out of cancer cells. And what do cancer cells like to do? They like to move and multiply. If you're taking energy out of a cancer cell, my goodness, this is an anticarcinogenic chemical. We looked at sixty-three different diseases, and every one of those diseases, at the end of seven days, had a dramatic reduction in pain and fatigue. People had more energy and they had less pain, independent of their disease. One intervention and much less pain. So when we decided to actually analyze the plasma of these meditators, a hundred percent of the people that we measured

• 49:15Joe Dispenza?

  were making their own endogenous opioids. In other words, natural pain relievers, right? The body's fabricating a pharmacy of chemicals that were not there at the beginning of the event. They're not taking morphine, but at the end of seven days, they're manufacturing their own morphine. Where is that information coming from? It's coming from within us, right? In the study that I was talking about earlier with the default mode network that FMRI study, we found an area of the brain that actually grows in volume at the end of seven days in advanced meditators. So when we look at the plasma of these people, they have neurogenic and neurotrophic factors

• 49:59Joe Dispenza?

  in their blood that are actually causing neurons to sprout, to flourish, to bloom. All of these chemicals that the body's manufacturing are pro-life and pro-growth. If we look at advanced meditators that go through a week-long retreat, and we look at novice meditators that go through a week-long retreat, when we do the very sophisticated analysis for longevity, many of them add a year to the life. When we look at the controls that are vacationing at the hotel, we can tell you vacationing may not be good for you. They actually get older, right? So there's something happening with these people by interacting and changing in the transformation process,

• 50:42Joe Dispenza?

  by combining a clear intention with an elevated emotion, they're changing their state of being, right? And the body's so objective that the body's believing it's living in a new environment, and it's nurturing itself, it's growing, right? So we looked at a gene expression. Everybody has their own genotype. Your genotype is different than my genotype, based on your race, based on your culture, based on your parents, based on your environment. Everybody has their own genotype and genes, proteins. At the end of seven days, eighty percent of the population is expressing the same genes and making the same proteins. What does that mean? It means the flock, the herd, the tribe. There's an emergent consciousness that's being reflected in people's biology,

• 51:27Joe Dispenza?

  and everybody's evolving together. So something happens really magically when people come together, right? And they behave in the same way, no different than the school of fish or the flock of birds. That kind of murmuration, that kind of emergence is reflected in human beings as well. In fact, it's so crazy that we could take seven hundred and fifty people, we can measure their HRVs, right? And at the beginning of an event, this was a ten-day event we did a couple of years ago in Cancun, we divided people into healthy and diseased, right? So we had about two hundred and sixty-five, I think, healthy people, no disease. And then the rest of the people

• 52:11Joe Dispenza?

  had all different kinds of chronic health conditions. So we divided them to anxiety, PTSD, depression, cancer, Parkinson's. And so our first study, we looked at people with depression. Now, when you look at a person who has depression, their HRV is, on the Garmin readings, are very jagged, right? And if you compare it to the control with their eyes open, the resting state, they're very smooth, right? But we discovered that every single meditation, when we went into a meditation, somehow the depressed people had the exact same heart signatures as the healthies. And at the end, at every single meditation, they were being entrained. At the end of ten days,

• 52:56Joe Dispenza?

  the depressed people looked exactly like the healthy people with their eyes open. So there's something that happens energetically that's happening in the audience, in the ballroom, that somehow, people are somehow entraining to each other in this very non-local way.

• 53:14Jay Shetty?

  This episode is brought to you by State Farm. We talk a lot about intentional decision-making, and that extends to the practical stuff too, like making sure your coverage actually works for your life. State Farm is there to meet you where you are, and they know how sweet it is to feel good about your decisions. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with a personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. Can you tell me a crazy story that's not a healing story?

• 53:52Joe Dispenza?

  We just had one in Denver just a few weeks ago. So a woman comes on the stage. She tells a story that she's going to a training outside of Mexico City. And she's going to a kind of a dangerous area where there's a lot of crime. And she's wearing this very special pendant that she has, that was handcrafted. It's in the shape of a heart, and it has a crescent that's cut out of the heart. And it's very special for her because she has a birthmark on her left calf that's in that exact shape, right? So she makes the decision to take off the necklace, and long story short, she loses it. She looks for it, she can't find it anywhere. This is two years ago.

• 54:36Joe Dispenza?

  So she practices, maybe in meditation, bringing the pendant to her. She does it for a little while, nothing happens. So she just accepts that she lost it. We do a very extensive meditation towards the end of the week-long retreat. She's very deep in the meditation, and she sees the pendant kind of drop in the void. She said that she was okay with it. She just saw it, and she was totally okay with it. Now, that day is a very long day at our week-long retreat. And the next day is the last day. So she finishes the day. After eight o'clock, she goes to her room, and she starts to pack, because she's leaving the next day.

• 55:19Joe Dispenza?

  And she says, "I never put anything in the drawers in hotels because I'll always forget stuff. So when I unpack, I put things on the shelves, and I hang things, but never in the drawer." So she said, "I was just packing and organizing." And she said, "I don't know what possessed me to do this, but I walked over to the nightstand, and I opened the drawer in the nightstand, and there was my necklace." Now, think about that.

• 55:44Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 55:44Joe Dispenza?

  She lost it in Mexico City. She's in a hotel room with over six hundred and fifty rooms, a hotel with more than six hundred and fifty rooms in the hotel. It's in her room, and it's two years later, and it's in a completely different country.

• 55:59Jay Shetty?

  How?

• 56:00Joe Dispenza?

  Well, if you see time as linear, right? Then we're gonna have a problem with this. But if you see time as not linear, then it makes total sense, right? I mean, how many possible realities exist simultaneously?

• 56:14Jay Shetty?

  Oh, my gosh, you're blowing my mind right now.

• 56:16Joe Dispenza?

  I know, it's crazy, it's crazy. So she was wearing it. She was wearing it on the stage. It was her necklace, right?

• 56:23Jay Shetty?

  That's crazy.

• 56:24Joe Dispenza?

  So we have to upgrade our model of reality and time when we start thinking nonlinear like this. And when something like that happens, it should cause us to stop and think about things differently.

• 56:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I mean, I've always been fascinated by the nature of time in the East and the West. And of course, in the West, it's linear. And in the East, it's always been cyclical. And it's been almost cyclical and spiraling upwards, like it's ascending as well.

• 56:48Joe Dispenza?

  Yes, yes.

• 56:48Jay Shetty?

  So it's not just like, it's just going round and round and round.

• 56:51Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 56:52Jay Shetty?

  And so it is fascinating when you start looking at these... In the same way, in the West, we have this before and after, right? Like, "I used to be like this, now I'm like this," which kind of points to, "I was stuck, and now I'm stuck with this new version of me."

• 57:03Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, yes, yes.

• 57:04Jay Shetty?

  Whereas if you're cyclical and ascending, then you're always evolving and moving and regenerating and refreshing, which is so much closer to what nature's doing.

• 57:11Joe Dispenza?

  And, and it's entirely possible. Just like when you're in a changing room in a clothes store, and there's two mirrors. And you look down, and you see an infinite number of views one way, and an infinite number of views. That's how reality is. There's an infinite number of these entropic universes that exist. And one may be where you have one shirt not in your closet. You think about how many variations, right? So in a sense, she moved from a reality in a dimension, a universe, where she didn't have her pendant.

• 57:49Joe Dispenza?

  Into one of those changing rooms. Everything else is the same in her life. Except she's in that universe now where she has her pendant.

• 57:57Jay Shetty?

  No, I need to upgrade. I'm not, I'm not there yet. I need to upgrade. It's so good.

• 58:01Joe Dispenza?

  Crazy, no?

• 58:01Jay Shetty?

  What type of meditation does this? Because this isn't just any meditation. It's not all types of meditation. There's a very specific method.

• 58:10Joe Dispenza?

  I don't study any traditional meditation. I think when you use tradition or religion or culture, I think you divide an audience, even the language that goes so, that goes along with that. So we look at a lot of brain scans. We look at a lot of data, right? If change is to be greater than your environment, to be greater than your body and to be greater than time, we use meditation not only to become familiar with the old self and to become familiar with the new self, but also to get beyond our body, our environment and time. So it's not uncommon in the first couple of days, you find yourself thinking about your wife or your husband or your pet or your job or your coworker or your, you know, what your, whatever, your cellphone, right? Because you're in the habit of doing that, okay?

• 58:53Joe Dispenza?

  So you catch yourself doing that enough times, you stop doing it over time. And if you're not thinking about different people or different places or objects, and if you're not thinking about your body and you're not thinking about your emotions or your habits, and you're thinking about the predictable future and the familiar past, there's this elegant moment really where you have no attention on your body, you become nobody. You have no attention on anybody in your life that you relate to. You become no one. If you're not thinking about any object or thing, you kind of enter this place of nothing, right? And if you're not thinking about any place, you're in this kind of place of nowhere. And if you're settling into the present moment, you're in no time. I call that the eye of the needle. That's the moment we get beyond ourselves.

• 59:35Joe Dispenza?

  And if where we place our attention is where we place our energy and we have no attention on anything in our three dimensional reality, anything physical or material, we kind of enter this realm where all of a sudden, energy changes in the broad body. Energy moves naturally into the heart. It just, if you're no longer thinking and feeling in the same way, you're no longer mismanaging your attention and you can relax into the present moment, energy moves right into the heart. And then once it moves into the heart, the heart all of a sudden as the creative center, the union of polarity and duality, the union of opposites, where wholeness starts. Once energy makes it in the heart, we've seen this over and over again, the heart tells the brain, the trauma's over, the past is over.

• 1:00:19Joe Dispenza?

  The heart kind of resets the baseline for the trauma and the person all of a sudden changes their, that changes their state. In fact, you can see it happen. When you're in stress and you're in survival, the brain is very erratic. It's functioning at a very high frequency. Call it high beta brainwaves. When energy makes it to the heart, you could just see this beautiful wave of energy move right to the brain and the brain goes into these beautiful, beautiful alpha states. The heart's telling the brain to get creative, to dream, to imagine, right? So we see that and we've kind of developed this way of getting people to focus on the inmaterial instead of the material, to instead of narrow their focus on everything physical and material.

• 1:01:04Joe Dispenza?

  And when we're stressed, we over-focus, we obsess, right? We overthink, we overanalyze. The hormones of stress cause us to become materialists. It heightens our senses, right? And so if something's moving in the bushes, you freeze and you narrow your focus on the cause and you're looking at for something physical and material. Turns out that's how people focus most of the time. They kind of narrow their focus on objects and things. It's called a convergent focus. So people who have brains that are in high beta, they're over analyzing, they're overthinking, they're looping, right? So what if we do the opposite? What if we go from a narrow focus to a broad focus? Instead of con, you know, putting our focus and converging it on something, open it up and diverge, right? Open up and sense space, sense nothing.

• 1:01:49Joe Dispenza?

  Now, the act of sensing causes us to stop thinking and analyzing. And if you're focusing on nothing, and if you get really good at this, you're no longer activating those different neurological networks in the brain that have to do with your wife or your coworker or your pet or your cellphone or your bed or your car or whatever. And those different networks that are siloed and compartmentalized, they're modulated at a certain age, they start to communicate with each other. They start to synchronize. And what syncs in the brain links in the brain. So all of a sudden, you see this diminishing of compartmentalization and this kind of more unified connection that takes place in the brain.

• 1:02:30Joe Dispenza?

  And that kind of level of coherence that's created is exactly the proclivity for a mystical experience. In other words, when the brain gets that orderly, we can guarantee a person is going to have a transcendental moment. So we've done tons of research in, in a seven day event, we do so many different meditations. We're doing four walking meditations. I mean, you gotta be able to walk as it, right? You gotta practice with your eyes open. So imagine, you know, 2,500 people on the beach in Cancun. It's beautiful, right? The sun is rising and, you know, everybody's starting together. And again, it's the, the flock has taken off. So we do walking meditations, we do healings on other people.

• 1:03:09Joe Dispenza?

  And I will tell you this, the greatest biological changes and the greatest changes we see, period. And, and anything that we do in the week long events is during the healings, both in the healers as well as the healies. There's some kind of dramatic change that takes place. There's a huge arousal that takes place in every single person.

• 1:03:32Jay Shetty?

  I know you've done research on the power of meditating together.

• 1:03:35Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Jay Shetty?

  And when everyone has a collective intention in this.

• 1:03:38Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Jay Shetty?

  Collective energy. And that really resonated with me because even from my spiritual traditions in past, collective meditation.

• 1:03:45Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:46Jay Shetty?

  Was seen as such a powerful, powerful way to really connect.

• 1:03:50Joe Dispenza?

  We have these random event generators that we place all over the ballroom. And they're very sophisticated coin tosses. And what they do is they toss a coin about a thousand times in a second. But instead of a heads and tails, it's a machine that's programmed to throw a one or a zero. You can't predict it, that's why it's random. It could be 111000, 10101100. But the more you toss the coin, the more it's 50 50, right? So we have these spread all over the room. And when nobody's in the room, when no one's in the room, as you would expect, kind of follows the midline, but it's zeros and ones.

• 1:04:30Joe Dispenza?

  When we do these collective coherence healings where people are no longer focusing on themselves, but they're focusing on another person. And if they have a coherent brain and a coherent heart, they're gonna jiggle the jella. That field already exists, they're gonna create waves in that field. And if everybody's coherent, when their waves come together and they interfere, they're gonna make bigger waves. The higher the amplitude, the higher the energy in the room. So when we do the coherence healings, the moment we, we start the coherence healing, all of a sudden you see a machine or the machines that are programmed to throw zeros or ones, all of a sudden start going like this, and then all of a sudden start throwing ones, and it goes way outside the parabola, way outside of normal, way outside of the range.

• 1:05:15Joe Dispenza?

  So a machine that's programmed that throws ones and zeros, all of a sudden behaving no longer randomly, but very orderly, right? If we take one of them and we wrap it in a Faraday cage, you know, copper and nickel and insulate it from electromagnetism, while the other machines are all behaving abnormally, this machine looks like there's nobody in the room. So we know on some level that there's a field that's created that is electromagnetic. It may not be the only thing, but we know that there's an electromagnetic field that's influencing this machine. Now it gets crazier because we just published a paper in Explore Magazine on this. We partnered with the HeartMath Institute. They have random event generators spread all around the globe and doing their own

• 1:05:59Joe Dispenza?

  random things of independent of the other. They don't communicate in any way. But when we look at the collective network of observers that are with brain and heart coherence that are creating this signature in the room, those random event generators that are spread around the globe have the same signature. The pulse is being reflected non-locally in the earth's field. Like, what does that mean? It means we're all connected. And, and what is the number to get to where the collective change changes human behavior? Really, that's what we're interested in looking at. Is it the number of people? I doubt it. Is it the amount of energy? I doubt it. It's probably the most coherent signal, right? And so they see these dramatic changes taking place.

• 1:06:42Joe Dispenza?

  Now it gets crazier because we have people wearing very sophisticated heart rate monitors on their chest that are the healies, right? The moment I say, turn your hands into the field of the person laying there, we have the data, I can show it, show it to you. The moment I say that, the person who's receiving the healing, there's a dramatic influx, an activation of energy into their heart. In other words, they're feeling an enormous amount of love, not a little love, like a lot of love. They can't make their heart do that, like something is happening to them. So what does that mean? That that field that exists between you and I is real. And all you need to do is get coherent in your brain and heart, and you could actually send information into that field.

• 1:07:27Joe Dispenza?

  And it's not matter that's creating this field, it's the field that's creating matter. If I can change the information in the field of the person who's laying there, I can change the destiny of matter. And so we've seen people heal from, I know this is crazy. We just had a blindness, deafness, ALS, Parkinson's disease.

• 1:07:48Jay Shetty?

  That just sounds like.

• 1:07:49Joe Dispenza?

  It's crazy. I know it's crazy, crazy. Muscular dystrophy. We've seen just rare genetic disorders, cancers.

• 1:07:57Jay Shetty?

  Doesn't it feel, doesn't it feel like unreal to even say that?

• 1:07:59Joe Dispenza?

  Totally crazy. That's why we're doing the research because it's not common to talk, like I have to catch myself because it's so common in, in, in the work that we do. There's so many footprints that are in consciousness. So there is something really powerful that happens. If we take 41 people, we did the study, and we move them to another room, they have no idea what's going on, and they sit in that room for three hours. And I run a meditation and they're wearing heart rate monitors. And in the middle of the meditation, I ask the 2,400 people in the ballroom to send love to those people in the other room for the greatest good, their lives be enriched, their bodies be healed, that their dreams be lucid, whatever.

• 1:08:45Joe Dispenza?

  Only during the time that I ask those people to to send that energy to the people in the other room, you see the the highest heart rate and you see the most coherence just at those two moments. It's so, why is this important? It's so important because we we have to remember this. I say to the scientists all the time, is the data greater than we think? And they say, yes. And I say, that means we're greater than we think. Why? Because because we're studying us. We're studying people in the not forty years of devotion or meditation. These are common people, right? And the data is outstanding, right? So all of the stories of transformation that have come from a person healing or from

• 1:09:29Joe Dispenza?

  a person being healed are the four minute mile, right? They're you're someone standing on the stage and they're telling their story. We just had it in Denver, you know? A guy never meditated before in his life with macular degeneration. He wasn't even going to stay for the whole event. He had a profound mystical experience. He came out of the meditation with he had three huge blind spots. He couldn't read. He had to turn his head to read, right? He came out of the meditation. Next day, he was able to see like, like, I don't know like how that happens. But I do know it is happening, right? And so when a person stands on the stage and tells their story, how they healed themselves of terminal cancer, stage four cancer, pancreatic cancer,

• 1:10:12Joe Dispenza?

  someone in the audience is invariably looking at them and saying, they don't look much different than me. If they could do it, I can do it. And and I think just like an infection spreads amongst the community and creates disease, you can see health or wellness become as infectious as disease. And it's not uncommon that we have, you know, five people stand up out of a wheelchair at one event, or five people with Raynaud's syndrome, because one person stood on the stage, four more people heal. Or one person with blindness, then it's two people with blindness. Like, it's it's crazy. So something happens when people come together. That's why I'll never stop doing in-person events. And people, you know, one of the great things that happens at an in-person event is you meet a lot of really cool people.

• 1:10:57Joe Dispenza?

  And you make a lot of great friendships because everybody's everybody's going through the same process of change and it's it's pretty exciting.

• 1:11:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, thank you for sharing that. And Dr. Joe just I had friends who actually came to the retreat recently and they had a phenomenal experience in Denver. And, you know, I think everyone who's listening and watching, I hope they get an opportunity to come and actually experience it for themselves. And we end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

• 1:11:27Joe Dispenza?

  Okay.

• 1:11:27Jay Shetty?

  So Dr. Joe Dispenza, these are your final five. Question number one is, what is the best thought we can put into our mind?

• 1:11:36Joe Dispenza?

  I'm greater than we think. I'm greater than I think, yes.

• 1:11:39Jay Shetty?

  Second question, what is the worst thought that we need to avoid?

• 1:11:42Joe Dispenza?

  I'm nothing. Nobody believes in me.

• 1:11:44Jay Shetty?

  Question number three, what's the first thing we should do when we wake up in the morning?

• 1:11:48Joe Dispenza?

  Remember who you want to be.

• 1:11:50Jay Shetty?

  Question number four, what's the last thing you should do before bed?

• 1:11:53Joe Dispenza?

  Give thanks for another day of life.

• 1:11:56Jay Shetty?

  And fifth and final question, if you could create one habit that everyone in the world should practice for the next thirty days, what would it be?

• 1:12:05Joe Dispenza?

  Treat others the way you want to be treated.

• 1:12:07Jay Shetty?

  Well said. Dr. Joe Dispenza, thank you so much.

• 1:12:10Joe Dispenza?

  Thank you, Jay.

• 1:12:10Jay Shetty?

  Your time, your energy.

• 1:12:12Joe Dispenza?

  It's always a pleasure.

• 1:12:12Jay Shetty?

  It's always such a pleasure getting to talk to you. And I'm excited for people to test some of these ideas. And for everyone who's listening and watching, whether you're commuting to and from work, whether you're watching at home with your family, whether you're sharing this with a friend, whether you're on a walk or a hike right now with your dog or cooking, whatever you're up to, I really, really hope that you'll clip the parts on social media that resonate with you, the parts that you're going to practice, the parts you're going to try and implement and start transforming your life today. Thank you, Dr. Joe. Always good to see you.

• 1:12:41Joe Dispenza?

  Thank you, Jay.

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