Big Sean ON: Releasing Negative Perspectives to Realize Your Own Path Forward

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• 2:34Big Sean?

  This is your opportunity. Every situation is an opportunity and you don't got to do more work than the next man. You get to do more work than the next man. You get to take advantage of your opportunity.

• 2:53Jay Shetty?

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• 3:37Jay Shetty?

  And I'd love to invite you to come and see me for my global tour, Love Rules. Go to jayshettytour.com to learn more information about tickets, VIP experiences and more. I can't wait to see you this year. Now, I've been looking forward to this conversation for a long, long time. Not only am I talking to the one and only Big Sean, one of the most successful rappers out there, multiple number one topping charts, singles, albums on the billboard. But what I'm fascinated about him is his dedication to personal growth. His journey with meditation, his focus on well-being, physical, mental, spiritual, and emotional.

• 4:20Jay Shetty?

  And today, we're going to talk about all of that right here on On Purpose. Please welcome Big Sean.

• 4:27Big Sean?

  Thank you, man. That was a great intro.

• 4:30Jay Shetty?

  Well, it was from the heart, man. I feel it. Like, when I started listening to your music, before I knew about your personal journey, I loved your music. And then I saw you start talking about the journey you've been on personally. And I thought, this is someone, even before we were connected, I was like, this is someone I really want to get to know, because it's not easy to talk about the things you talk about. It's not easy to be vulnerable in your position with the career you have, in the way you have. And so I can't wait to dive into it today. But I was gonna start with something a bit different, because we have a few more things in common. I was reading somewhere that you said that in another life, you might have been a film critic.

• 5:13Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 5:14Jay Shetty?

  And I love that, because I love movies.

• 5:16Big Sean?

  Oh, me too, man. I pick them. I like, I don't pick them apart. You know, sometimes lately, I've been watching movies just based on how it makes me feel. Like, I take my critical hat off. And I'm just like, I enjoy the good story, or, you know, like the hero's journey, or just like, you know, great pieces, great shows, great plots, you feel me?

• 5:34Jay Shetty?

  What's been a movie that you feel has like defined the way you think, or moved you in a way that, in the way that you're speaking about right now, that left a lasting impact?

• 5:43Big Sean?

  Forrest Gump, for sure. That's one of the ones that like struck me hard. The Matrix. I had like a special relationship with The Matrix, because Neil's name was Mr. Anderson. So that's my last name, too. So it always like struck a chord with me. Um, definitely like I'm a huge, I'm a big nerd, so I love like... Batman, I love all Marvel, DC, anime, Dragon Ball Z, Star Wars, Star Trek. That's something that really my brother kinda got me into early on is this, but what I connected with, like everything about those things, like Dragon Ball or like Star Wars, they all have to deal with like that power within. And I feel like that's why I connected to it so much.

• 6:29Big Sean?

  It would be like against all possible odds, they would dig deep and go to a new level that people, you know, not only did not expect them to, but was was quote unquote impossible, you feel me? You know, my girl would be like nerd.

• 6:44Big Sean?

  And I'll be like, yeah, whatever.

• 6:45Jay Shetty?

  That's who I am.

• 6:46Big Sean?

  That's who I am.

• 6:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's who I am. People don't expect it, cause you know, you're fashionable and you got swag and then, and then all of a sudden you start talking about movies and comics.

• 6:55Big Sean?

  I can talk about it all day, but and just, um, but not just that, like I said, great movies, they, they go hand in hand. Like when I'm in a studio creating, like I have a setup where it's like these screens and I'll play like two movies at once sometimes just for aesthetic, not looking at them, but it's just, I love it, man.

• 7:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 7:13Big Sean?

  That's like definitely a passion of mine for sure. That maybe I'll tap into more later on in life.

• 7:17Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 7:18Big Sean?

  You know?

• 7:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I could see that.

• 7:19Big Sean?

  Cause I love writing, I love stories, I love all of that.

• 7:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Have you directed your own music videos as well, right?

• 7:25Big Sean?

  Yeah, well, I have a best friend, Lawrence, who we actually did just start a production company who's directed a lot of my big videos. A lot of my big songs, we won some awards together and things like that, but you know, for, for most of my life, music has always been my first priority, you know? But that is something that has also gotten me in trouble, you know, it's got me in trouble. And I'll explain that a little more because being from Detroit, right? And I'm from a family where they were hard workers. My grandma was one of the first female black captains in World War II. She was one of the first female cops in Detroit. And then later she was done being a police officer.

• 8:06Big Sean?

  She was a teacher, a counselor. She was like a strong woman, you know, and my granddad too, they met in World War II. And he was, has a similar story of just being so strong. And I come from a family where it's like hard work, hard work, you know? And everyone went to college and is educated. And I was kinda the first in my family to go on a different career path, you know? My mom used to always play all these like, Motown, like she would play Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, all these. The Isley Brothers, like all, always in the morning and I, I kind of fell in love with the music,

• 8:44Big Sean?

  you know, but my whole life, I remember when I was graduating high school and I was graduating with a high GPA, I was on my way with a full scholarship to college, but I wanted to do music. I knew, and I knew I wanted to do music and every time I got excited about it, I would just, I could just tell that it was real, you know, like I could just feel the connection, like I don't care what anybody could tell me, like nah, you tripping, don't like, man, you gonna fall on your ass, you know, you gonna be out here with, with no, living on the street, man, if you, you know, you gotta, you gotta play it safe, you gotta have a backup plan and all that stuff and obviously that is a

• 9:27Big Sean?

  way for a lot of people, but for me, it was like I put all my eggs in one basket. Denied, you know, my scholarship.

• 9:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, Michigan State.

• 9:35Big Sean?

  Yeah, and it didn't work out at first, you know, it didn't work out for me, you know, I was like, and that was the first time in my life where I hit a very big wall of depression, a very big wall of anxiety, a very, you know, pivotal moment in my life where I just didn't even feel like living and I'm, and this, you know, not to be dramatic, I'm, I was 18 years old, you know, but those are, they are defining moments in your life and when you're around 17 or 18, cause you were around the same time when you saw that monk speak.

• 10:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 10:07Big Sean?

  Cause I'm also reading your book, Think Like A Monk. And that's a pivotal moment, you know, coming out of high school and all my friends went to college. I didn't go, you know, I ended up meeting Kanye West, right, rapping for him. This was my idol, this was my number one person who I wanted to sign to. And I felt like I manifested that and my mom is someone who introduced certain books to me that I was reading at the time when I was around 17. She introduced me to Esther and Jerry Hicks and, and also The Secret.

• 10:39Jay Shetty?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:39Big Sean?

  You know, The Secret and um, you know, she was like, you can, you know, you can do it, like you can manifest it and. I just believed it. I really did, so.

• 10:50Jay Shetty?

  Tell us about that process of manifesting. I'm intrigued to hear about it. We just had Rhonda on the podcast.

• 10:55Big Sean?

  Oh, really?

• 10:56Jay Shetty?

  Rhonda Byrne. Yeah, I just interviewed her two weeks ago.

• 10:59Big Sean?

  Wow.

• 11:00Jay Shetty?

  So I'd love to hear from you. I was gonna ask you about that moment from a different angle. People have heard you tell the story. I find like our generation today is so lost in procrastination, overthinking, overanalyzing, but you just went there and showed up.

• 11:17Big Sean?

  Yes.

• 11:17Jay Shetty?

  Without knowing if it was gonna go anywhere. Like you were ready to be rejected, ready to fail.

• 11:23Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 11:23Jay Shetty?

  Ready for it to fall flat on your face.

• 11:25Big Sean?

  Yeah, because it was like, I couldn't look back and wish I would've, could've, should've, man. I just couldn't. I just felt like, I don't know why, and that was one of the concepts for one of my albums, but I just don't know why I felt like I had lived a life already and like regretted it. And I was like, I just felt that in my heart as a young, you know, as a teenager. So I was like, I gotta make it happen. Like, that was just it. It was no other option, you know? And she presented these books to me and it's like, she's like a guardian angel. It feels like when I look back on it, it's like, man, I really am living with angels, you know, like my mom, my grandma, because they would give me books I would never read, you know?

• 12:05Big Sean?

  Give me books, try and introduce me to meditation and all these things, but it was when I felt hopeless, you know? And I hate that it got to that point, but I was young too. And I was like, I might as well just pick this book up. I might as well just, let me just see what's going on with this because this has to work. And when you pick those books up and you crack it open, you realize that the book was talking to you. You realize that these books have energy and that it's attracting you. It's not just for, it's not just because for no reason. It's like, it's literally there and ends up in your hands because it's destiny, you know? And that's one of the things I learned as soon as I cracked it open. I remember reading The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success and tearing up, you know?

• 12:50Big Sean?

  And I remember reading Ask And It Is Given by Christian J. Hixson, like feeling my whole vibration change. And that is one of the most, that is the first time that I realized that there are two realities. There's a reality that we see with our. Eyes and our feel and touch and then there is a reality just as real where it is our spiritual world that we can create and manifest and that is the reality with a capital R. You know what I'm saying? That's the real reality that you bring to the other reality. I did these exercises, man, like I never read, I only read books because I had to in school. That was like my thing. I can relate. You know, and some good books, right?

• 13:35Big Sean?

  Like we, I remember we read Animal Farm, The Hobby, all these great books that helped me, but I still never read on my own time. So these were the first books I read on my own time. You know, I graduated high school. I ended up meet, I ended up meeting Kanye right before I graduated high school. So I ended up rapping for him. It's a classic fairy tale hip hop story. You meet your idol, you rap for him, he hears you out. And I had been recording CDs since I was 11 years old, man. So I had been passing out CDs around school, selling them for $5, $3. I had been participating in open mics, battle rapping. I had gone to the radio station every Friday after school, even when, you know, cause when I turned 16,

• 14:18Big Sean?

  my grandmother had a stroke and she had a brand new car. So it just, it was a bittersweet thing because it was tragic to see my grandma, you know, have a stroke and the strongest woman I've ever seen literally get old instantaneously. And then I ended up getting a car, which provided me to get places that I needed to get to, to make the moves I was trying to make. Cause I was, I had that hustler mentality. I was like, I had to do it, you know? Eminem was the only rapper from Detroit at the time. Yeah. That was doing it big. And just to keep it real, I was, I gotta represent for, for black. You feel me? And be like, and put on for my city and just felt the responsibility, man.

• 15:02Big Sean?

  I would do this radio show every week. You know, and that led me to meeting Kanye because he was at the radio promoting his album, Late Registration at the time. You know, I met him from doing the radio show there every Friday. I lied and said I left my phone in the back offices so they would let me in the back to go check because I knew that's where the artist would go. I got a chance to rap for him as he was walking out. You know, he was like, I'm real busy.

• 15:27Jay Shetty?

  How did you have the courage to do that? Because I feel like people probably see you and they're like, oh, I want to go rap for Big. Like, you know, people want to repeat.

• 15:35Big Sean?

  All the time.

• 15:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. So how do you think you were able to even have the courage to be like, I'm just gonna find a way in the hallway? Like, you know, when he's walking, he's a busy guy.

• 15:46Big Sean?

  Well, because when I did that radio show every Friday, we would rap on the air on the radio.

• 15:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 15:53Big Sean?

  That was the most nervous wrecking thing I've ever had to do in my life. It would be like, oh, my God, everybody who's listening to the radio right now is hearing me. And that was a beautiful platform, right, for up and coming MCs to come and display. I would, I would write a new verse every week and I was super nervous. So I had done that for about a year straight already by the time I met him. So I was used to rapping under pressure.

• 16:17Jay Shetty?

  Right.

• 16:17Big Sean?

  So when I saw him and was delivering it, it was just like I had so many raps in my head already and I was freestyling and I was used to delivering under pressure. So I was able to dynamically, you know, I delivered it as best I could.

• 16:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 16:35Big Sean?

  And he, he heard me. He heard me out and he was like, well, you got a CD. And it's like, well, yeah, because I had CDs that I was selling in high school. I had my CDs ready. I had a bio ready. I had everything ready. And it's crazy because ever since I was 11 years old, everything, single thing I had done so far led up to that moment. It all happened. And it was like, yeah, I had the CD, I had this, I had that. And he followed through, but it took years after that. That's what people don't get. It wasn't like I rapped for him and that was it. You know, I rapped for him and thought it was gonna be like that. That's why I didn't go to school. That's why I turned everything down. And then I stopped getting a response from him. And then all my friends are in college. A whole semester goes by and they're like, man, you could've came to school. What you, you still at home? Like, what's up with Kanye?

• 17:20Big Sean?

  What's up with your record deal? Like, what's up? Like.

• 17:23Jay Shetty?

  And that's the hardest to hear.

• 17:24Big Sean?

  That's the hardest. And I come from a family, my grandma's like, why, you know, you need to go to school. Like, this is the way to a better life. You know, she grew up in poverty and made her way to that point, you know? And she's like, education is the way. And it was the hardest thing to go against the grain, you know? And my mom was really one of the only people who, even though she was a teacher herself, right? An English teacher, has her master's degree. She, she know, she knew what it was like to have a dream. And she knew what it was like to chase it, you know? So she believed, of course, education is important, but you can always go back and get it. You can't always live your, you know, take that chance.

• 18:01Jay Shetty?

  Can't do it the other way around, yeah.

• 18:03Big Sean?

  So during that time period, for like a year and a half or two, what I did was, that was the first time I intensely worked on myself. And I intensely would read these books and meditate every day and, you know, imagine myself like living the life that I was, you know, trying to live. And I don't know how to explain it. It was like, I felt like I was there. And what that did was, it put me there. It really did. To make a long story short, it put me there.

• 18:32Jay Shetty?

  What were the work that you were doing with that meditation and visioning? Because I'm sure, like you said, and I'm really glad you brought it up, because before, like you said, I was at the radio station. I was, I was rapping live. I was nervous. Like, what I, what I find is that with yourself and, and stories like yours, there's manifestation, but there's also a ton of hard work.

• 18:54Big Sean?

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:54Jay Shetty?

  In the background.

• 18:55Big Sean?

  Yes, it is.

• 18:56Jay Shetty?

  And, and tell me about that part of what were you doing in the background? While you're meditating, you're envisioning, you're seeing yourself there? What's happening with rap music and music?

• 19:06Big Sean?

  Well, one of the things that I would do in my meditations is I would put out the, like, I would like, let me attract the people, energy, places that I need to go to the next level in my career. Let me attract the people. And I would meet people, I would meet producers. And we would lock in and you know, who had a common belief is mine or like, you know, the same one and like, I'm trying to get on as a producer, like you trying to get on as less work, right? And I would write things down. I would just, I treated it like it was a job. And also, one of the things I had to put in perspective is that it didn't matter how hard I was working necessarily, it really mattered how smart I was working.

• 19:50Big Sean?

  You know, I had a perception, it is hard work, you're right, but I had the perception that it takes hard work until I realized that some of the most successful people I knew would work a couple hours a day.

• 20:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 20:04Big Sean?

  And enjoy their life. Yeah, it's flowing. And at the end of my, and me and my mom, we grew up in debt and she worked two jobs and she was working most of her life. So it just didn't make sense to me, you know, early on, I'm like, it's not about working hard, it's about working efficiently and smarter. So that's one of the things I really learned at that age too. So I would.

• 20:25Jay Shetty?

  It's a big lesson.

• 20:26Big Sean?

  You know, because a lot of the other people who I would see at studios, they would be like, man, I made eight songs today. Like, I'd be like, well, I'm still, I've been working on the same song for like a week and a half, but it's not about that, you know, it's about, it's about the product, it's about what you, what you're doing and not about necessarily how much you're pumping out, you know what I mean?

• 20:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 20:47Big Sean?

  And that was, that was something I really had to accept because your ego will not let you accept that sometimes. We've been conditioned, right, to, to think all these things. And that's one of, I feel like one of the things your book talks about. We've been conditioned to think a certain way. We've been conditioned to, you know, we, we're given like a certain amount of, of, of.

• 21:10Jay Shetty?

  Options.

• 21:11Big Sean?

  Guidance, options, directions. You're supposed to do this, you're supposed to do that, you're supposed to follow the line, you're supposed to do that, you're supposed to do that. You guys gotta do, you know, the, our whole lives and some of it's great, but some of it just doesn't apply to everyone. That's one of the things I had to realize and redo my foundation of my whole life and be my architect.

• 21:33Jay Shetty?

  Well said, man. That's beautiful. I love the way you've expressed that because that must have been an uncomfortable place to live for one or two years. When you feel you're gonna get your break. It doesn't happen. Your friends are now moved on.

• 21:47Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 21:47Jay Shetty?

  And everyone's.

• 21:48Big Sean?

  And I'm still in the same bed that I grew up in.

• 21:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 21:51Big Sean?

  You know, I was sleeping in a twin sized bed, man. I'm eighteen, nineteen years old, you feel me?

• 21:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Big Sean?

  And it was so frustrating and it was a test of my ego, bro. It was a test of my ego. But I was a visual, I would visualize Kanye reaching out. I would visualize. I just knew that it was gonna happen. I didn't know how. And like, I was like, I'm gonna make it happen somehow. And it just, it did, bro. It's like something you gotta trust. You know, imagine you being on a cliff. And it's like, there's no more cliff there. But you like, hey, man, there's an invisible bridge. You know, if you had a, if you had a guidance next to you, like, you had your higher self walking next to you. And you're like, bro, there's nowhere to walk. And he's like, I'm telling you, if you take a step, it's an invisible bridge right in front of you. And that takes a lot of faith to walk on that bridge.

• 22:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 22:40Big Sean?

  You know, that you can't even see. But that's what I had to do because that's the decision I made. I wasn't about to go back to school at that moment. I wasn't about to go back to my friends and be like, man, y'all was right, like, I messed up, man. I should've just, you know, I couldn't do it, you know? And that may have been my ego too, but I did let that motivate me. You know, and then he did reach out.

• 23:03Jay Shetty?

  Tell us about that moment, how it felt internally around. Were you like, oh, wow, this manifestation stuff works? Was that a point where you deepened your faith and belief in the invisible bridge where you were like, oh, this stuff really works? Or do you think you already believed that it worked? And it was just about trust? Or was this like a confidence point?

• 23:22Big Sean?

  I had to trust it first.

• 23:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, okay.

• 23:25Big Sean?

  I had to trust it first.

• 23:26Jay Shetty?

  Beautiful, yeah.

• 23:27Big Sean?

  You know, and that's the thing with everything. You gotta trust it. Then it started working. You know, things necessarily don't work before you trust it. It's kind of like you got, you know? I think that's one of the lessons I had to learn. You know, I had to trust in me, trust myself, trust the process, trust God's feet. You know, that expression is so popular for a reason. You know, you can make all these plans. My grandma used to always be like, man, you make all these plans, God's gonna laugh at you.

• 23:56Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yeah, yeah.

• 23:57Big Sean?

  You know, that classic saying, and she would say that to me. And so many sayings like that just mean so much more now because it's true. That's why it's so popular. What goes around comes around. You know, all these little things that we heard.

• 24:11Jay Shetty?

  They're true.

• 24:11Big Sean?

  They're true.

• 24:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 24:13Big Sean?

  You know, it's been a beautiful time. And when he did, when he did reach out, it was confirmation. That trust wasn't wasted. That trust wasn't betrayed, you know, because God always is, or the universe, or whatever you believe in. It's all a higher power, right? And that is guiding us and wants to support us.

• 24:35Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 24:36Big Sean?

  And does support us, not wants to, does support us.

• 24:38Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. Did you ask him why it took him so long?

• 24:41Big Sean?

  Nah, because, you know, I knew people who were like thirty, forty years old that never got their shots. So I'm not gonna be like, man, it took two years. What took so long? You know, but, you know, and it was a process after that. And things, I'm not gonna sit here and say life is smooth sailing.

• 25:01Jay Shetty?

  Never.

• 25:02Big Sean?

  You know, it's not smooth sailing. It's like a constant unraveling experience, right? And things, so many times, brother, things don't go my way. And I've done all the work and I've like, sometimes where I didn't expect things to do anything. And it was, it turns out to be one of my biggest songs in my career, my biggest moments, or one of my greatest experiences, or things that I've like, okay, I put so much energy and power into this and it not do what I wanted it to do. Like, these are things that I go through on a daily basis. But I had to realize that the side of life that I'm on is such a unique side, and it's the blessed side.

• 25:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 25:45Big Sean?

  And that anything that happens to me, it's all, it's all love, it's all beautiful. You know, and it's something to be learned from it, it's something to be gained from it. It's when you win something, you learn something. When you lose something, you learn something. You know, you still win something.

• 25:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 25:59Big Sean?

  You gain something, you know, so it's really crazy.

• 26:03Jay Shetty?

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• 28:17Jay Shetty?

  We see an external PR version of who we think those people are on the front cover of magazines and music videos or whatever it may be. But behind everyone, there's a deeper story. It wasn't just like that. I'm intrigued because I feel like a lot of people listening to us right now, they may actually feel blocked from that envisioning, right? They feel blocked, like they feel like... When have you felt blocked? Or if someone's listening and they feel blocked, how do they remove that? How do they let go? What are they needing to let go of?

• 28:46Big Sean?

  Well, this is deep, dog. You're getting deep.

• 28:50Jay Shetty?

  I had to go there with you. You're giving me deep talks. I don't want to, you know, go to dive in.

• 28:55Big Sean?

  Well, one thing I have learned on my journey is that there are blocks that are sometimes placed on us from our parents or from our surroundings. And whether you believe this or not, I believe it is true even from a past life. And it makes total sense because I've met complete babies who were like, this is like an old man sitting here, right? He's very mature, you know? It's like, I have worked with people who have helped me remove blocks from my life. Marie Diamond being one of them, you know? And that's a whole deeper conversation. But she has been a mentor to me spiritually and helped me along my spiritual journey. You know, honestly, when I just think about

• 29:41Big Sean?

  the blocks that I've had in my life. So to go back to that, to think about people who are feeling blocked, know that you have to believe that you can feel unblocked because you're given a power by acknowledging like, I'm blocked. I'm blocked. You're putting that out in the universe. Remember like what we said, the sayings that people live by that you've heard? What goes around comes around. What you get is what you give. Those are real things. And that subconscious mind is just as powerful as the conscious one. When you say, ah, I'm feeling blocked or, man, I'm just, I'm down bad. You know, I've heard people just say all these things that they put on themselves like, I can't figure it out. I can't figure it out. I can't figure it out. So, okay, imagine if you're in front of... The universe and God, and he's like, whatever you say, I'm gonna give back to you.

• 30:26Big Sean?

  Whatever you say, I'm gonna give it back to you. So you sitting up here like, I can't figure it out, man, I can't, I can't make money. I can't do this, I can't, you know, I just, I feel like I, it's like, even when I did feel blocked, I never, I never owned it. I would be like, I never would keep saying it. I'd be like, no, okay, I gotta switch that, I gotta, I gotta feel better. So the first key to unblocking something is acknowledging that you are blocking yourself, for sure. You know, and I do think there are some deeper blocks that you gotta work harder on to remove, like blocks that may have not even been put there from you, so you not even acknowledging it or know how, or know how to remove it. And there are special people who can do this, you know, that can help you get rid of it.

• 31:07Big Sean?

  But I do feel like you're blocking yourself. Stop blocking yourself. It doesn't matter if you don't have money, don't say you don't have money.

• 31:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 31:16Big Sean?

  Yeah, I got money, money's coming in right now. Like, if you keep that mentality and you're, you're not rich, if you really believe it, which you have to believe it because you will be whatever you wanna be. And it's never too late to be who you wanna be.

• 31:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I used to have a mentor, I remember, he used to repeat to me the Napoleon Hill words of like, you become what you think about.

• 31:37Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 31:38Jay Shetty?

  And, and he just keeps saying it to me, and he'd tell me to keep saying it. And when he first said it, I was just like, oh, come on, like, you know, how many times are you gonna say it? It's like a mantra. When I first became a monk and they introduced me to mantra, saying the same thing every day, again and again, and you're thinking, oh, this ain't gonna work. But actually, what you're saying is true, that when you repeat, you become what you think about.

• 31:58Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 31:58Jay Shetty?

  And when you keep repeating it, it becomes your vocabulary, it becomes your mindset, it becomes your thought, and then it becomes your reality. And, and you're spawned, I love what you said about being in front of God, and you saying, I can't do this, I can't do that, and God's giving you back exactly what you're repeating.

• 32:17Big Sean?

  He's like, you right, man, you can. All right, hey.

• 32:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you said it, yeah, and that is such a great way of thinking about it, as a conversation around how we're creating our reality through our repetition.

• 32:30Big Sean?

  One of the things that you, that made me think about this is when I would come home and watch Bob Ross on PBS, painting the pictures, or when I would watch Michael Jordan and all these, or Kobe Bryant.

• 32:44Big Sean?

  And all these inspiring people, it just brings me back to technique. How much life, how much of life is truly technique? And that is one of the biggest secrets I've learned.

• 32:59Big Sean?

  When I was going through one of the roughest times of my life a few years ago. I had just turned thirty and I was feeling so depressed, bro. And I had just moved into my house that I've been in for a few years. In Beverly Hills, right? All these, all my neighbors are, you know, Vanowite is my neighbor. I'm like talking like this is like, to me, this is like my dream, this is my dream neighborhood, right? And I was in the worst condition of my life, bro. I just felt, I felt it was just too hard for me to even get through the day.

• 33:27Jay Shetty?

  How did you get there? Why did it get there? After all of this envisioning, focus, inner work, how did it get there?

• 33:34Big Sean?

  You know why I got there? Because I lost touch with it a little bit. Not just because of that. I burned myself out. I wasn't paying attention to what myself was saying to me. I was doing it for all different other reasons. I need to do this show, I need to do five shows so I can get this money. Take care of this person and do it for this. Ah, my management, everybody is expecting me. I got all these people, I got people who are on my payrolls. I'm like, I'm putting everybody before me. I didn't know how to balance work and work. Because there's a work that you do for your career and there's a work that you do for yourself.

• 34:14Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 34:14Big Sean?

  No one ever taught me that because no one knew. This is something that my dad didn't know. This is something my mom didn't know. Their mentality is you work as hard as you can, you work as hard as you can. So I come from a place where it's like, you gotta keep the foot on their necks. You gotta keep going hard. You don't want to lose your opportunity.

• 34:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 34:30Big Sean?

  That was my thinking. But really, I had already had it. You know, I already have it. So now to take it to another place, I gotta take care of myself so I can bring my best self to the table. And it's something that life forced me to do. It's something that like forced me to do, man. And I had to stop everything I was doing and completely fall back, bro. Completely fall back from looking at things about me, from being online. Completely fall back from all the obligations I had to do. Performances, money I was losing. Like, it was just like, I had to fall back from everything and take some time. And that's when I met Marie Diamond. And obviously, I had seen her on The Secret. I was, you know, I knew about her.

• 35:14Big Sean?

  And my mom, taking one of her classes, emailed Marie Diamond and was like, "Hey, my son is a musician, this and this and this." And then she got an email back from Marie Diamond. She, my mom was freaking out. And Marie Diamond said, "This is so crazy because my son has Sean on his vision board."

• 35:35Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 35:36Big Sean?

  And she was, "I've never worked with a rapper, you know? I've never done anything like this." She's worked with big people, you know, big, big clients. That was a serendipity, you know? That was a meant to be thing. And I got into the technique of loving myself, bro. Bringing it back to the point I said earlier, when I would look at Bob Ross and Michael Jordan, it's all technique. So much of life is technique. What you do is technique because it's, you know, I had to get into the technique of loving myself. I had to really make sure that I put myself as a priority. My meditations came before anything. Me writing down my intentions, you know, every day or every other day or, you know, writing my thoughts down, like, that was a priority to me.

• 36:20Big Sean?

  Spend, just spending time for myself, being out in nature, right? Working, I started taking care of myself more, working out. It changed me for the better and it just, it's just, it's built my strength up. It's given me more strength to deal with things when they don't go my way. Before it would tear me down. Before I used to let people's opinions about me really, really affect me.

• 36:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, same.

• 36:40Big Sean?

  And now it's like, what was I even, what am I even thinking right now? You know what I mean? You could, it's crazy how we can look and see a comment that's like, "I love you, I appreciate you, you changed my life, amazing. Man, this guy sucks." And we'd be like, "Man, this dude just said I suck." I'm doing something wrong, you know? It's crazy how our mind immediately goes there because our ego.

• 37:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 37:03Big Sean?

  You know, or maybe because something else, but I think it's just that ego.

• 37:06Jay Shetty?

  It is.

• 37:07Big Sean?

  Yeah, but, but I had to get into the technique of loving myself, man, for real. Cause it's an ongoing process, it's an ongoing journey, right? I, I had no choice. I couldn't get through the day without feeling terrible. And when you get to that point where it's hard for you to just do anything, I knew my perspective was off. I knew, I did, and I sought, I sought therapy too.

• 37:28Jay Shetty?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:29Big Sean?

  You know, I saw a therapist, I was spiritually working on myself. It was just the perspective, bro. You know, I used to look at things like, ah, I gotta do this today, I gotta do this, I gotta do this podcast, I gotta, ah, man, I'm like overwhelmed, but nah, it's like, nah, I don't gotta do that, I get to do it. I get to do this. I get to be, man, I get to live this, I get to wake up, man, and see this, you know? We lost Nipsey Hussle.

• 37:56Jay Shetty?

  Yep.

• 37:57Big Sean?

  You know, we lost, my mom's best friends just died. I've lost people close to me, you know? They don't get to wake up, you know, and they leave behind kids, they leave behind a life, right? And I almost felt like I was being selfish because I was not living in the moment. You're never living in the moment when you're thinking about what you have to do. You're only living in the moment when you're enjoying each moment, right?

• 38:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 38:26Big Sean?

  One of the things that I've learned, dog, is like, love doesn't hold grudges. You hold on to grudges, your ego holds on to grudges, like, you gotta just move with love and live in the moment, and when you do, everything is a pleasure. You know, even if it's a lot, even if you can't get it all done, even if you're like, damn, I didn't even get to that today, it's like, at least, at least you're here at all.

• 38:46Jay Shetty?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:47Big Sean?

  You know?

• 38:48Jay Shetty?

  I love that switch of what you said from, I've got to do this, to I get to do this. That's, that's a beautiful switch in the mindset, man. I think so many of us are always, oh, gotta do this next, I gotta do, I think that is such a, a great, I'm dev, I'm gonna remember that forever, like.

• 39:03Big Sean?

  Yeah, I hope so, that, I hope people really understand that because even if you're down bad, to everybody who's down bad right now who's watching this, even if it's the worst situation, you don't have a scent to your name, but somehow you're seeing it, just remember that, this is your opportunity. Every situation is an opportunity. And you don't got to do more work than the next man. You get to do more work than the next man. You get to take advantage of your opportunity. See a spectrum that people don't get to see. You know, you get to, you get to live out the levels of life.

• 39:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 39:42Big Sean?

  You get to lift that weight. And you'll have strong enough muscles to climb the mountain and be the master of your life. So I'm letting you know that you got what it takes. You got it.

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• 42:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that. And you get to be more compassionate and empathetic, because when you've been there, now when you rise, you're able to love and be compassionate to other people's pain.

• 42:18Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 42:18Jay Shetty?

  Because you were there.

• 42:19Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 42:19Jay Shetty?

  And you get more empathy. And that's such a gift in life, I feel, to feel compassion to that degree. It's a huge gift, because you've been there, you know what it feels like.

• 42:29Big Sean?

  That only comes from experience.

• 42:31Jay Shetty?

  Totally, and to have that is a gift in and of itself. Tell me about, you know, now where you're at. Like, when we look at you now, like, you've given us a really beautiful, deep dive into these moments on your story. What are you visioning today? What are you working on today? What are some of those techniques for love? And I love that you use the word techniques. I think that's such a beautiful juxtaposition between technique and love, because people often think love is just fluid and fluffy and...

• 43:02Big Sean?

  Right.

• 43:02Jay Shetty?

  You know, but you're spot on. It's a science and a spirituality.

• 43:06Big Sean?

  It is.

• 43:07Jay Shetty?

  It's both. It's strategic and sincere. It's both, right? Like, I feel, we live in this world, I was talking about it with a friend today, and I was saying that the human mind needs to get better at entertaining the idea that two opposites, or two things that you think are opposite... Actually is where the magic happens. So like when you say love is a technique, people go, no, no, no, love, love can't be a technique because it just has to be, you know, pure and flowing, but actually it starts as a technique.

• 43:39Big Sean?

  Yes.

• 43:39Jay Shetty?

  And then it transcends.

• 43:40Big Sean?

  Yes.

• 43:41Jay Shetty?

  Right? It starts that way. Tell us about some of the work you're doing today, internally and externally that you feel is in line with what you're sharing.

• 43:49Big Sean?

  Well, first of all, I'm like going through this cleanse right now.

• 43:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 43:52Big Sean?

  This four month cleanse that's um.

• 43:55Jay Shetty?

  Is that a food cleanse or?

• 43:56Big Sean?

  No, it's a four month cleanse. And you clean your gut and your intestines and your liver and your kidneys and you clean, then you clean out parasites. I mean, at one point, especially in high school, like every night I was eating McDonald's, you know what I'm saying? I was getting that double cheeseburger. I was getting Taco Bell. I was getting Burger King, White Castle. I was on it. That's just, because this is just what we had.

• 44:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 44:21Big Sean?

  I would be in the studio at my friend's house or we record in the basement. It's like, that's just what it was. So I was like, I really need to do this cleanse. So that's, that's one of the things I'm doing now. I do feel like when you do a cleanse like that, it also cleans energetically some of that old you that you've been holding on to for years.

• 44:38Jay Shetty?

  And you learn discipline, you learn, it's always like, I feel like there's a, there's a beautiful story that you just reminded me of from what you said. Uh, it's, it's in a book. I think it's called the Zen of Archery. So it's about archery.

• 44:51Big Sean?

  Hmm.

• 44:52Jay Shetty?

  And a student comes to a, an archery master, a Zen master who's also an archer and goes, I want to learn archery.

• 44:59Big Sean?

  Hmm.

• 44:59Jay Shetty?

  And so the master goes, okay, let's, let's learn archery. So they draw a target onto a little piece of paper. They stick it on a tree. They make a little bow out of a twig and a string and they give it to the student. And they give them a little arrow made out of a twig and they say, go for it. And the person just starts like shooting twigs. And, and they're missing. And, and then the master says to the student, the master says, what is your goal?

• 45:27Big Sean?

  Hmm.

• 45:27Jay Shetty?

  And the student says, my goal is to hit that target, the bullseye, to hit right in the middle.

• 45:33Big Sean?

  Right.

• 45:34Jay Shetty?

  And the master says, so you're telling me that your goal is to shoot a twig into a piece of paper? And the students are like, yeah, isn't that what we're doing? And the master says something beautiful. The master says, that's your target. The goal is to be calm enough so that you can hit your target.

• 45:55Big Sean?

  I love that.

• 45:55Jay Shetty?

  And what you just said now, like, your target is to change your gut and purify and detox. But the goal is the discipline, the nourishment, what you just said, like, that's what you're really achieving in the cleanse. And I think we get the goal and the target confused a lot. We think that the target is the goal, but the goal is to be still and to be present. The target's just a way of getting to that goal. I want you to introduce me to that person afterwards who's managing that.

• 46:26Big Sean?

  I'm gonna tell you, Mama Myra, my mom, she is

• 46:29Jay Shetty?

  She's the one.

• 46:30Big Sean?

  Everything I've ever done with health. Let me tell you another quick story about health real quick.

• 46:34Jay Shetty?

  Please.

• 46:35Big Sean?

  And you don't have to include this if you don't want.

• 46:36Jay Shetty?

  No, no.

• 46:37Big Sean?

  I had a real bad injury on tour with my knee. Went to the doctor and the doctor was like, man, we're gonna have to put screws in your knee. We're gonna, your cartilage is completely torn down and your bones are rubbing together. I could barely walk. My mom was like, I don't accept that, right? So let's go to, this is the second time in my life, I'll tell you the first time, this is the second time it's happened. She's like, I found this place that does stem cell research and this is how we got hit to the oxidation of the blood. What they would do is they would oxidize this blood, put it in your, wherever you needed it, right? For me, it was my knee. And it would slowly repair the knee and then regenerate the cartilage with the stem cells.

• 47:21Big Sean?

  My cartilage regenerated in my knee 98%. 98% regeneration. This is not a game, man. This doctor told me I had to have surgery on my knee and put screws in my knee. And this was a more holistic approach, you know? This was a more of a eastern, I guess, you know, medicine.

• 47:40Jay Shetty?

  Alternative, yeah.

• 47:41Big Sean?

  Alternative medicine. And the other time was when I had heart problems growing up. You know, I had heart palpitations and it got so bad that I couldn't walk from one side of the room to the other side of the room without being short breath. My heart, your heart runs on electric currents and mine was like beating like this. Weird, right? Anyway, I passed out in the shower, went to the hospital. They were like, man, we're gonna have to put a

• 48:08Jay Shetty?

  Pacemaker.

• 48:08Big Sean?

  We're gonna have to put a pacemaker in your heart, or we can cut half of your heart open, scar it, and the electric currents will run through the scars. Man, I went to this doctor, who is actually my doctor now in Michigan, one of the best doctors in the world, Dr. Brownstein. He gave me magnesium and a couple of other things. He was like, make sure you take this magnesium. I go back a week later, or like a week and a half later, to get prepped for the surgery that we couldn't afford. And they test my heart, and they're like, oh my God, your heart's fine. You know, they diagnosed me with the whole disease. They diagnosed me and said my heart, I had a diseased heart. And then when I got tested again, they were like, oh, your heart's really healthy. You have a strong heart. And I couldn't believe

• 48:51Jay Shetty?

  How different.

• 48:52Big Sean?

  I told them, like, all I did was take this. You know, I told them, like, I took the magnesium. They were like, no, no way. That's impossible. But it's like, people gotta open their minds up a little bit more, right? And just, I mean, all of us. I've had to open my mind up so much in my life.

• 49:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:09Big Sean?

  Yeah, those, but yeah.

• 49:10Jay Shetty?

  I love hearing you talk about this stuff. I think it's great. I think it's great because I think people would externally just think, oh yeah, skeptical about this kind of stuff.

• 49:18Big Sean?

  No.

• 49:18Jay Shetty?

  And hearing you say it, and you having real experience of it. What makes your, your mom sounds like the most amazing person in the world.

• 49:24Big Sean?

  No, I'm not just saying this. You should like interview her one day. Or like, or maybe come over for dinner and talk to her.

• 49:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, a hundred, I'd love to. Like, I'm not even joking. Like, everything you've just said to me, the books your mother introduced you to, the people, like, I'm fascinated by her story.

• 49:37Big Sean?

  Bro, you know, you get, we get lucky, right, with our parents? They say that we choose our parents.

• 49:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. I believe that.

• 49:43Big Sean?

  I chose the right one, for sure. Yeah. My dad is cool too. Let's not get it confused. My mom is amazing. My dad is amazing too, in a lot of ways. Just not those ways.

• 49:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, different strengths.

• 49:57Big Sean?

  Yeah, different strengths.

• 49:58Jay Shetty?

  And different teachers for different lessons.

• 50:01Big Sean?

  Yeah, yeah, a lot of, a lot of personality traits I picked up from him.

• 50:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:05Big Sean?

  For sure, you know, he, he's somebody who loves first, you know, and that's something that you don't get. He's somebody who's open hearted and very gentle, you know what I'm saying?

• 50:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:15Big Sean?

  And he grew up in Monroe, Louisiana, where he had to run for his life and he would get beat up for being black. You know, he, he's dealt with a lot of pain and trauma. And one of the things that I inspired him to do was go see therapy, you know? And that, that was one of the most emotional moments for me because it was like, I know him and my Uncle John, as black men, growing up in Louisiana and all the stuff that they've been through. You know, my dad told me he felt like I, I didn't know that, you know, he was like, I didn't talk to you about certain things because I, you know, guys aren't supposed to talk about certain things. We're not supposed to open up about that, you know?

• 50:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:50Big Sean?

  As crazy as that sounds, right? Cause it's different now.

• 50:52Jay Shetty?

  Totally.

• 50:53Big Sean?

  People are more comfortable talking about mental health now. People are, you know, there are discussions. There are people who will relate, right?

• 50:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:59Big Sean?

  But that really was a stigma. That really was something that you couldn't talk about.

• 51:03Jay Shetty?

  Hundred percent.

• 51:04Big Sean?

  You know, and it messed him up. He's still working on that right now.

• 51:07Jay Shetty?

  Totally. I mean, can you imagine holding it in for that long and not feeling you can share it? And being told you're not allowed to feel that as a man? And I mean, there's a lot of toxicity that comes with that.

• 51:19Big Sean?

  Yeah, and getting, and getting beat up.

• 51:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I mean, that, yeah.

• 51:22Big Sean?

  You know, he said he would run for his life sometimes, man, like to make it past these train tracks. Crazy, man.

• 51:28Jay Shetty?

  That's insane. That's intense.

• 51:29Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 51:30Jay Shetty?

  You've seen that through his experience.

• 51:32Big Sean?

  Yeah, it's all in my blood though, right?

• 51:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:34Big Sean?

  It's like my grandma's not with me anymore, but she was a female black captain in World War II.

• 51:38Jay Shetty?

  That's insane.

• 51:40Big Sean?

  Like that's in my blood.

• 51:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Big Sean?

  You know, my mom's blood is in me. It's all in me. My grandma, my other grandma had to pick cotton. My dad's mom, she picked cotton for a job. You know, and my granddad's aunt was born a slave. That wasn't that long ago. My granddad died when I was in the seventh grade. His aunt was born a slave. So that goes to show you, it's not that far removed.

• 52:03Jay Shetty?

  It isn't.

• 52:03Big Sean?

  Right?

• 52:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 52:04Big Sean?

  As I have on my black and proud shirt.

• 52:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.

• 52:08Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 52:08Jay Shetty?

  No, but I love, I love how you're explaining the story of your background and each person

• 52:14Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 52:15Jay Shetty?

  in your history. And, and you're spot on that, of course, they made you. So

• 52:20Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 52:20Jay Shetty?

  All, all of that is, is part of your story.

• 52:23Big Sean?

  Yeah, just like your parents, you know what I mean? And just like everything.

• 52:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 52:26Big Sean?

  And you know, your ancestors, like, they are really a part of us.

• 52:30Jay Shetty?

  For sure.

• 52:31Big Sean?

  They really are.

• 52:31Jay Shetty?

  For sure.

• 52:32Big Sean?

  You know, you gotta, and I had to accept that, that they guided me. And that when things don't work out, it's because they are working out better than I could even imagine.

• 52:41Jay Shetty?

  Mm hmm.

• 52:42Big Sean?

  You know, when it doesn't, when it doesn't go the way that I planned on it going, whatever it is, it's not that it's not working out, it's that it's working out better than I can even comprehend.

• 52:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, if my plans worked out the way I wanted them to work out, my life would be lame compared to what it is today.

• 52:59Big Sean?

  Yeah, you wouldn't even be you.

• 53:01Jay Shetty?

  No, a hundred percent, I wouldn't at all. Like, I, I think about if my plans worked out the way I wanted them to work out, oh, my life would be nowhere near as good as it is.

• 53:09Big Sean?

  No, no way.

• 53:10Jay Shetty?

  And that's the thing that you hold on to, we hold on to our little plans. And we keep chasing them and we keep thinking that they're the only way. And so when a new opportunity or a new portal comes up, we're scared of walking through that portal. But that portal is

• 53:25Big Sean?

  I know.

• 53:26Jay Shetty?

  our, our greatest journey.

• 53:28Big Sean?

  I know.

• 53:28Jay Shetty?

  And, and you've taken it. And now you're sharing it through your music. I read that Rolling Stone said your latest album was like a self-help book.

• 53:35Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 53:36Jay Shetty?

  And I was thinking, how amazing that, you know, how amazing that your journey and study of so many powerful teachers and books and your own work and your own, uh, growth journey, your own purification. And now you're sharing it through music. Do you feel now that you're at a place where Your music is allowing you to share all of that even more than ever? Or tell us about that journey with music? Because your purpose is to change people's lives through music.

• 54:02Big Sean?

  Yeah, my purpose is. It's to inspire, you know, through anything I do. So whether it's music or a book, right? Which I haven't written yet.

• 54:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's coming.

• 54:13Big Sean?

  Been thinking about it.

• 54:14Jay Shetty?

  You have to.

• 54:15Big Sean?

  Yeah, it's something that I wanted to just look back on my life and be like, I did all I could in a moment when people, not just like me, but just people who ever needed it. You know, at least I said it. It's a lot of music out there.

• 54:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:31Big Sean?

  It is a lot of music out there. There's a lot of music that sounds the same out there. There's a lot of music that sounds different, too.

• 54:36Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:37Big Sean?

  Because it's just tons and tons and tons of music. So I had to represent my mindset at least at that point in my life. I try and do that with all my albums, but on top of that, I don't want to sound like I'm preaching. I don't want to sound like

• 54:51Jay Shetty?

  True.

• 54:51Big Sean?

  I'm talking down or, you know, I want to sound like I'm talking to someone. So I do have records that are fun.

• 54:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:57Big Sean?

  Nobody's perfect. You know what I mean?

• 55:00Jay Shetty?

  Me included, none of us, none of us.

• 55:01Big Sean?

  Yeah, so I, you know, one of the things that I realized is that, okay, I got to make sure I have the balance of having fun in my music.

• 55:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 55:09Big Sean?

  You know, and that's the, it's like a picture, right? It's like you can, you can like, okay, this one, I'm gonna really paint what I'm going through right now. This one, I'm just gonna completely talk about last night when I got drunk. You know what I mean? It's like, it's just, it comes from all different inspirations.

• 55:26Jay Shetty?

  I love that, yeah. It was, I found that even, and you're reading Think Like a Monk right now, but when I was writing that, I wanted to share my weakest points as a monk. So I don't, there's not many examples in there where I share the best days. I share all my worst days.

• 55:41Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 55:42Jay Shetty?

  I share my worst meditation. I share my biggest criticism that I had of people around me. I share my worst train journey. My, like, in the book, I was like, I want to share the worst days.

• 55:54Big Sean?

  Wow.

• 55:55Jay Shetty?

  Because the easy, the big days are the easy days to share when like I felt enlightened and I, you know, when I had a moment, like, those are easy to share.

• 56:03Big Sean?

  Right.

• 56:03Jay Shetty?

  But to share like, you know what? I used to wake up and I hated waking up at 4:00 a.m. Like, to share that. Felt like the right thing to share because of what you're saying. We all have bad days, none of us are perfect and have it all figured out and.

• 56:15Big Sean?

  People relate to that, right?

• 56:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and also you like, I feel like that's just the truth that we need to hear. Because like I was speaking to a friend yesterday and he was saying, you know, I feel scared about my future and my financial future and this and that and whatever it was. And I was like, dude, I relate, like everyone feels like that. Like there's no one who, and as soon as you hear that, you go, oh, okay, it's okay. When you hear that someone else feels that way, I know when people are gonna listen to this, they're gonna go, bitch, you haven't felt nervous rapping?

• 56:47Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Jay Shetty?

  Like when, when you hear that, that's, oh, okay, it's okay to feel nervous and still do something.

• 56:53Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 56:53Jay Shetty?

  I think a lot of people feel they have to feel confident to do something.

• 56:57Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 56:58Jay Shetty?

  When actually, most of us do things when we're nervous.

• 57:01Big Sean?

  Yeah, and you know, bro, I wake up still totally messed up sometimes. I feel there are times where, you know, I do feel very like down and depressed. My vibration is low, but I'm able to approach it and react to it differently. And I'm able to not let it stick on me.

• 57:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 57:21Big Sean?

  You know, one of the things that meditation does for me is like, it's like when you work out or like do something like go on a hike or something and you take that shower.

• 57:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 57:30Big Sean?

  And you just like are clean.

• 57:32Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 57:33Big Sean?

  That's what meditation does for me. It energetically, literally just cleans me. And I feel like I'm ready. It's like having a full charged phone. It's like I'm ready for everything and I'm charged up and uh.

• 57:47Jay Shetty?

  Bathing your soul.

• 57:48Big Sean?

  Yeah, and people have a lot of misconceptions about meditation. You have to understand that there's no wrong way to meditate. There's no wrong way, it's not wrong. Even if your mind races and you get better at bringing it back to your center, if you get better on focusing on your breathing, right? You don't, you can't do it and think you're doing it wrong because there is no wrong way to do it.

• 58:10Jay Shetty?

  Mm hmm.

• 58:11Big Sean?

  You're gonna get into a groove the more you do it that works for you. Because it's for you, it's not for everyone else. This isn't like something you get great, it's not like a math test. Meditation is a personal moment that you share with yourself, you know, and that brings you in the moment. And your mind does race, right? You think about things, you may visualize things.

• 58:34Big Sean?

  And but you come back to the moment. So meditation for me, that's what it is, you know? There's no wrong way of doing it. I just wanna put that out there. There's no wrong way of doing it.

• 58:44Jay Shetty?

  I love, I love that you're an ambassador for meditation. It's, it's awesome seeing you talk about it in such a genuine way. And I love what you just said, that meditation is not a math test. I mean, that is the problem with the, the conditioning.

• 58:58Big Sean?

  Uh huh.

• 58:59Jay Shetty?

  That everything's a test. Everything's right or wrong. Everything's, you know, and you're so right that you just have to let go of that. When I'm sharing meditation with people, often I find that, especially if they're musicians, it's like they, they wanna get the music right or the sound right.

• 59:13Big Sean?

  Right.

• 59:13Jay Shetty?

  It's free of that. Like meditation is, I, I mean, I'm tone deaf and, uh, you know, I can't sing to save my life. I love music, but I can't sing to save my life. But it's, meditation's beyond that. Like it's beyond the, the mental verbal capacities that we have, but, uh...

• 59:29Big Sean?

  It is, and that's, that's one of the things I do, uh, write stuff down.

• 59:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 59:35Big Sean?

  And since 2019, though, I've also been like, let me do one thing every year that's gonna change my life.

• 59:41Jay Shetty?

  Ooh.

• 59:42Big Sean?

  So that's, you know, that's just one of the things I'm doing.

• 59:45Jay Shetty?

  I love it, man.

• 59:46Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 59:46Jay Shetty?

  I'm, I'm, I'm feeling, uh, first of all, I'm feeling very grateful and humbled for the generous time you've given me today.

• 59:52Big Sean?

  Yeah, I've been having fun.

• 59:54Jay Shetty?

  I'm feeling, uh, I'm feeling totally, uh, I, I've learned so much and I feel so inspired just sitting here, listening to you speak. And we, we end every one of these episodes with a fast five. Uh, so this is final five questions where you have to answer it with one word to one sentence maximum.

• 1:00:12Big Sean?

  Got you.

• 1:00:12Jay Shetty?

  So it's, it's tight and...

• 1:00:14Big Sean?

  It's tight.

• 1:00:14Jay Shetty?

  You're, you're dropping the bars already, so it's, it's, it's easy. It's easy for you. All right.

• 1:00:18Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Jay Shetty?

  So the first question for you is, uh, what's the best advice you've ever received?

• 1:00:24Big Sean?

  Experience. It's the best advice I've ever received is experience.

• 1:00:29Jay Shetty?

  That's a great answer. We never had that before. I love that. Okay. What's the worst advice you've ever received?

• 1:00:34Big Sean?

  You know what, you know what, Jay?

• 1:00:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:36Big Sean?

  It's like I block it out.

• 1:00:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you don't even remember it.

• 1:00:38Big Sean?

  I don't hold on to it.

• 1:00:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:40Big Sean?

  You know, I've gotten terrible advice my, so many times, I can't even remember what it was.

• 1:00:45Jay Shetty?

  I love that. That's a great answer, man. We're good with that. We're good with that.

• 1:00:48Big Sean?

  Okay.

• 1:00:49Jay Shetty?

  Question number three, uh, what's something that you know to be true, but you feel other people might disagree with you on, or they're not there? Like they don't fully get it yet?

• 1:01:00Big Sean?

  I can make a list. Meditation.

• 1:01:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. You mentioned past life.

• 1:01:07Big Sean?

  Ancestors.

• 1:01:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:10Big Sean?

  Guiding you, past life, blocks, removing blocks.

• 1:01:16Jay Shetty?

  That's a lot.

• 1:01:17Big Sean?

  Yeah, that's a lot.

• 1:01:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Question number four, what's the biggest lesson you learned in the last 12 months?

• 1:01:23Big Sean?

  You can't kill your ego.

• 1:01:25Jay Shetty?

  Tell me more about that. That's something we should talk about.

• 1:01:29Big Sean?

  People always talk about ego death and you can't kill it. Why would you want to kill a part of yourself anyway? You have to just know how to work with it and how to treat it. You know, people always say your ego is the most childish part of you. But then I also hear that children are the most spiritual beings because they have no restrictions that have been set on them. They're just purely right from the source, right?

• 1:01:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Big Sean?

  So there has to be a connection between the two. And I think your ego is an unfiltered part of you that is easily affected and very emotional and very sensitive. And it's something you should embrace instead of trying to get rid of it. Lock it in a room. You embrace it and recognize it for what it is. And when you do, and when you nurture it in that way, I think it won't be as dramatic of an outlash and as damaging to you. If that makes any sense.

• 1:02:27Jay Shetty?

  That makes sense to me. Sometimes, well, when I was listening to you, what I was thinking about was sometimes your ego just needs a big hug, like when you just embrace it.

• 1:02:35Big Sean?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:02:36Jay Shetty?

  You know, and I don't feel ego from you today, you know, from the moment you walked in to meeting my team. And you know, it's like, you know, I don't feel a sense of arrogance or bravado in your presence at all.

• 1:02:45Big Sean?

  Thank you.

• 1:02:45Jay Shetty?

  Which, which just shows that you've just embraced it. You know, you get it there. And I like that. That's what came to my mind when you were speaking. And also when you took my children, I was thinking, you know, we want to become more childlike and not childish. And I think that's the, you know, what you were saying there.

• 1:03:02Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Jay Shetty?

  Being childlike is great, like childlike is like fresh, new. But being childish is like tantrums and, you know, being, you know.

• 1:03:11Big Sean?

  Yeah, being childlike is like not. Put any ceilings on yourself, you know?

• 1:03:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:16Big Sean?

  Like, one of the things that we do as grownups is like, oh, that sounds a little crazier.

• 1:03:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Big Sean?

  When you were a kid, you're like, man, I wanna be an astronaut.

• 1:03:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm gonna climb that tree.

• 1:03:23Big Sean?

  I'm about to.

• 1:03:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Big Sean?

  I wanna do this, you know, I wanna be, and it's like, they do it to their capacity, but that's something we lose when we grow up. So childish versus childlike, that's similar to like selfish and self-care. And I used to get those confused.

• 1:03:43Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 1:03:44Big Sean?

  You know, and that's one of the reasons why I felt like I probably stayed so, I burnt myself out as far as like trying to do too much is because I thought that it was selfish of me to be like, oh, I need to take time for myself.

• 1:03:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Big Sean?

  You know, instead of doing this work I need to do, I'm gonna get a massage tonight. I thought that was selfish of me, but that's not selfish, that's self-care, that's self-love.

• 1:04:06Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:06Big Sean?

  And you gotta know the difference between the two.

• 1:04:09Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:09Big Sean?

  You know, selfish is when it affects the people you love or people around you or certain people in a negative way, right? You're doing something for a wrong reason, but when you're just taking care of yourself to be better for those people.

• 1:04:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Big Sean?

  Then that's self-care.

• 1:04:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:27Big Sean?

  Self-love.

• 1:04:27Jay Shetty?

  That's such a great definition, and I just hope, everyone who's listening and watching this, I hope you're taking notes, because that differentiation can actually change your life. Because when you give up your self-care in the short term to think you're being selfless, then in the long term, you end up having to be selfish because it pushes you back that way. So you're spot on that we have, and I can relate to that so much because there was a time in my life where I was just extending myself to others. And I used to think that getting a massage, eating on time.

• 1:04:59Big Sean?

  Right.

• 1:05:00Jay Shetty?

  All of that stuff was bad, and now it's like, I realize, well, I can't give myself, or I'm giving people the worst leftovers of myself when I haven't taken care of myself. I don't wanna give the people I love my leftovers, but that's what I'm giving them because I've drained myself. So I love that differentiation. Our fifth and final question is, if you could create a law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:05:26Big Sean?

  Not to judge because everyone has an opinion, right? And that's fine, but we are all humans. And when we judge each other, it brings us down, man. It traps us, right? It's like, and what you put out there is just gonna come right back to you. You know, it's like a double edged sword. So you're judging somebody like, you messed up. You're wrong. This is not good. What are you doing? Like, this is not good. But that's coming right back to you, whether you know it or not. And it could be different ways, right? But to me, you can have an opinion, right? And that's a thin line too between an opinion and judging. But judging is when you go out your way to, to make somebody feel a certain way. Right?

• 1:06:09Big Sean?

  And that's something that's become so accustomed to our society is we judge each other. Well, really, I don't even know if we have the right to judge each other.

• 1:06:16Jay Shetty?

  Totally.

• 1:06:16Big Sean?

  You know, we're all made in the image of God, right? And I don't know if judging each other is productive necessarily. You know, I just don't think it's productive. I think that it's time that you could have spent on something else. And if you don't like something that's different, you don't have to comment on it. You don't have to judge it. You could just be like, oh, like.

• 1:06:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Big Sean?

  You know?

• 1:06:40Jay Shetty?

  Let it go.

• 1:06:40Big Sean?

  And put the energy on something you like, you know? Let it go. Or I think when you bring somebody down though, you're bringing them down. But you can't bring anything down without going down yourself. It doesn't even make any sense.

• 1:06:52Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, absolutely. Everyone, Big Sean, Sean, thank you for doing this, man.

• 1:06:57Big Sean?

  Yeah, I can't wait to come back. We gotta do like a part two.

• 1:06:59Jay Shetty?

  I know, I mean, I can carry on talking.

• 1:07:01Big Sean?

  No, no, no, no, no. We can save it for another time if you like.

• 1:07:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, this has been amazing, man. Like just hearing you share your heart and your genuine purpose with us today. Like, I've loved every bit of it. It's been so inspiring to me.

• 1:07:15Big Sean?

  Thank you, man. I loved it too.

• 1:07:17Jay Shetty?

  And I've learned so much. And I mean that, I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And I recommend that everyone goes and listens to this again and takes notes, write stuff down. Because there are so many gems in what you shared that can be truly powerful for people at different stages of their life. Because you just walked us through. The hero's journey.

• 1:07:37Big Sean?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:37Jay Shetty?

  And, and your journey, of course, still continues, as you know. But there's so many parts of that. And I wanna, I wanna ask you though, is there something you wanted to share today that you feel I haven't let you share? Or that you haven't had an opportunity to get through? Because I wanna get there. I don't wanna, if there's something on your mind that you're like, oh, I feel like I need to share this with people.

• 1:07:56Big Sean?

  Well, I do wanna just share that I go through terrible days. I go through dark moments. I go through great days. I have great moments. And, you know, it's not like I figured life out. You know, I, I don't think anyone on this earth has ever figured life out all the way.

• 1:08:15Jay Shetty?

  Agreed.

• 1:08:15Big Sean?

  And I don't think it's for us to, to figure out. You know, maybe there are other purposes for it, but I just wanna put that out there and say that, you know, you're not alone. Like whoever, you know, whoever needs to hear that, like you're just, you're not alone. Jay Shetty got you. I got, like, we're all in this together. And, you know, I just wanna, I just wanna end on that and just say that, thank, thank you guys for listening. You know, to anybody who needed to hear this, like, I needed to hear it myself. You know, everything I say is because I, it was on my heart that needed to be expressed for you and for myself and for, for whatever other reason. So, thank you.

• 1:08:58Jay Shetty?

  That is a beautiful note to end on. And a thousand percent, I'm in for a part two.

• 1:09:02Big Sean?

  Yeah, gotta do part two.

• 1:09:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm all in for a part two. I could, I could talk to you for like two, three hours and I could listen to that voice. I could listen to that voice for hours. So, you know, it's like, it's, uh, but honestly, like, what you just said is, is so perfect and exactly what we all need to hear. And I, I don't think you shared your story with any sort of perfection or, uh, with any projection of you having it figured out. I could hear that sincere seeker inside of you in, in every step.

• 1:09:31Big Sean?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:32Jay Shetty?

  I, I think you shared it beautifully, man. Thank you so much.

• 1:09:34Big Sean?

  No, thank you. Thanks for having me, man.

• 1:09:36Jay Shetty?

  Thank you, man. This was beautiful. This was amazing. I loved it.

• 1:09:39Big Sean?

  It was, it was.

• 1:09:40Jay Shetty?

  Thank you.

• 1:09:55Jay Shetty?

  This podcast was produced by Dust Light Productions. Our executive producer from Dust Light is Misha Youssef. Our senior producer is Juliana Bradley. Our associate producer is Jacqueline Castillo. Valentino Rivera is our engineer. Our music is from Blue Dot Sessions. And special thanks to Rachel Garcia, the Dust Light Development and Operations Coordinator.

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