Ask Jay: How Do I Let Go?

In the very first episode of Ask Jay, a new series where listeners send in voice notes with their biggest questions, Jay explores what it really means to let go when your heart is still holding on. Through four deeply personal stories, he unpacks the difference between love and trauma bonds, the pull of breadcrumbing and relationship amnesia, the anxious-avoidant cycle, and what it takes to rebuild trust after betrayal. Along the way, Jay shares practical tools to help you choose yourself, rebuild self-trust, accept silence as an answer, and recognize when healing needs to come before making a decision about a relationship. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty PURPOSE10 for 10% at altrarunning.com⁠/onpurpose. Free Shipping and Free 30-Day Trial. Your future is waiting, and Walden is here to help you achieve it. https://WaldenU.edu Access resources from the Domestic Violence support hotline here: https://www.thehotline.org/ JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe here: https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00 Introduction 01:23 Are You Holding On To A One-Sided Relationship? 03:40 The Law of Reciprocation 06:23 Breadcrumbing And Listening to Your Body 07:34 Trauma Bonds And Relationship Amnesia 09:16 Letting Go Of The “Good Girl” Persona 11:04 Is It Love or A Trauma Bond? 16:07 Why Toxic Relationships Feel So Hard to Leave 16:41 Rebuilding Self-Trust After Abuse 19:11 The Love As Action Test 20:12 Why Avoidant Partners Leave 21:52 What An Avoidant Partner May Be Thinking 23:32 Stop Trying To Read Their Mind 25:38 Redirecting Hope Back Toward Yourself 29:21 Can Trust Be Rebuilt After Betrayal? 31:00 What Was the Purpose Of The Break? 32:58 Should You Give Second Chances? 33:39 Healing Before Making A Relationship Decision 34:36 Building A “Second Marriage” With The Same Person Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:02Jay Shetty?

  Hey, it's Jay. I don't know what your day's been like, but I was just thinking about you for a minute. And I hope you're being a little patient with yourself because you deserve it. And yeah, I'll talk to you soon.

• 2:25Jay Shetty?

  We have all had those moments where our minds are racing from a difficult conversation, reeling from the aftermath of a toxic situation, or just feeling overwhelmed by the weight of the day. In these moments, human connection is what we need. And texting someone or emailing them just doesn't make sense. I get so many of my friends who will say to me, Jay, it's just too much to type. I need to voice note you. Real viewers and listeners are recording voice notes about everyday situations. And I'm listening to each one so we can unpack them together. Thank you so much for calling in. It's good to hear your voice. Today, we're diving into your stories about letting go. Whether it's the person you cannot stop thinking about despite how they treated you,

• 3:10Jay Shetty?

  a betrayal you cannot seem to forget, or the closure you never received. We're tackling it all. I've listened to every voice note you sent and I'm here to help us unpack these situations together. You ready?

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Hi, Jay. I have an ex-boyfriend. He broke up with me on Valentine's Day this year. And our end of the relationship was pretty bad for me. It seems like not for him. And I was trying to fix this relationship with communication and asking for couple therapy and try to communicate. But the end was pretty bad. We were arguing and fighting a lot. And yeah, he broke up with me. And it wasn't a clear cut because sometimes we are still talking. But just when he wanted it. Today, he's visiting me because it was a long distance relationship. And he's still making me hope like bread crumbling. And my question is, how can I overcome this need to be a good girl?

• 4:12Speaker 01

  And to finally choose myself without feeling bad for it? Even though my biggest wish because of trauma bonding is to end up with this person. Also, my head knows it is not the right decision to beg for love.

• 4:27Jay Shetty?

  First of all, I am so sorry that you're going through this breakup. And second of all, being broken up with on any day is terrible. Being broken up with on Valentine's Day or your birthday, or an anniversary, or Christmas, or around the holidays is the worst. It sounds like you invested a lot in this relationship. It sounds like you made time for it. It sounds like you put in a lot of effort. The fact that you encouraging couples therapy, these are all signs that you really believed in this relationship, that it mattered to you, that it was important to you. And the reason I raise that is because when you're offering things like couple therapy, you're really saying, hey, can we find time to work on us? Can we create a space where this matters? I really believe in what we're building.

• 5:12Jay Shetty?

  Can we take some time to actually invest in it together? And of course, from what it sounds like, those bids for affection, those bids for commitment, those bids for investment were not reciprocated. It sounds like he wasn't someone who wanted to go to couples therapy. It sounds like he wasn't someone who was meeting you where you were trying to meet the relationship. And I think what's fascinating is that this word reciprocation has just become one of my favorite words in relationships, especially in our primary relationships. So we have secondary and tertiary relationships, whether it be friends, whether it be family members we don't see often. But what's interesting is that the person you spend your life with is the only primary relationship you actually choose.

• 5:58Jay Shetty?

  Your other primary relationship are your parents, if you have any siblings, or the people you grew up around. Those were primary relationships you didn't choose. But the primary relationship you choose in your life is your partner. And if your primary relationship doesn't have reciprocation, doesn't have investment, doesn't have effort in the way that you're bringing into a relationship, that's a sign that you're almost having the relationship for the both of you. You're almost carrying a relationship that requires two people to be in it, but you're carrying all the weight yourself. Think about going to a grocery store and you go shopping with your partner. You pay for it. You buy the eggs, the milk, the bread, whatever else it may be. And then you're on your way back, but you're carrying all the weight.

• 6:42Jay Shetty?

  You're the one unpacking it when you get home. You're the one putting it in the refrigerator. You're the one cooking that night. And the other person's there, but they're not helping you carry the weight. The question you really have to ask yourself in this scenario is, is that the type of relationship I want? Is that the kind of experience that I want to have? And a lot of us will tolerate things like that. Maybe we'll say, oh, it's just a short period of time. Or maybe they're going through some stress. Or maybe they're going through a really difficult moment right now. And that's really fair. There are phases like that in relationships where you will carry more of the load and they'll carry more at different times. What I'm hearing from you is different. It's one-sided. That can really mess with our heads. And I just want to acknowledge and express some empathy to you

• 7:27Jay Shetty?

  as to how much of a mind bender that is. When you're like, wait a minute, I was the one doing everything right. I was the one trying to maintain this relationship. But you're the one taking it away from me. And that can make us start to question our self-worth. It can make us start to question where we belong. It can make us start to question whether we made a mistake. This episode of On Purpose is presented by Ultra Running. We all benefit from having a little more space. So do our feet. That's why Ultra Running shoes feature Ultra Fit Design, giving toes more room for comfort, balance, and strength. They're perfect for running, walking, or hiking. Any pace, any level, they feel right from the first step.

• 8:10Jay Shetty?

  Go to ultrarunning.com/onpurpose and use code PURPOSE10 for 10% off. That's A-L-T-R-A running.com/onpurpose. Stay out there. Now I want to move on to the second part of what you're reflecting on and what you're thinking about. This idea that he talks to you when he wants to. You call it breadcrumbing. This idea that someone keeps giving you a little breadcrumb along the way to keep you following, right? To keep you engaged. It's almost like you're waiting for their next breadcrumb just to prove to yourself that this person still likes you. But the great thing is you've acknowledged it. You've become aware of it. Do you want to be in a relationship where someone breadcrumbs you, but then disappears when they don't want to engage?

• 8:55Jay Shetty?

  Do you want to be in a relationship where someone comes to see you when they're in town, but then you're not sure where you stand with them? These are really powerful questions for you to reflect on because I think the answer will be extremely obvious to you when you take some stillness, you're in solitude, take some time by yourself, and actually really check in with your body. Really feel it in your body. What does it feel like to be breadcrumbed? What does it feel like to be ignored? What does it feel like to be devalued? What does it feel like to be deprioritized? When you actually take a moment to not just think about it intellectually, but to feel it physically.

• 9:33Jay Shetty?

  Your answer becomes much, much clearer. Now, I know you mentioned that you feel like you have this trauma bond, which makes you feel like you kind of want to be with this person. You still have this desire pulling you towards this person. Now, that can be for a multitude of reasons. It can be because of how we were loved by our parents or unloved by our parents. And now we're seeking that pattern. We're repeating that pattern or repeating the opposite. It could be that some part of you doesn't want to be alone. It could be that some part of you really likes this person, really loves this person, has built up some affection for them. It could be that a part of you loves the role you play in their lives and you don't want to lose that role. And at the very base level, it could just be habit.

• 10:17Jay Shetty?

  You've had a habit of this person being in your life. Maybe you text them in the morning, maybe they text you. Maybe you call them in the evening, they call you. But what we miss when we start getting nostalgic about all those moments is what you said a bit earlier. You talked about how it's been really bad. There's been lots of arguing, lots of fighting. It's really easy to get something I call relationship amnesia. Relationship amnesia is where you forget all the bad things and only remember the good things. Or you forget all the good things and you only remember the bad things. Think about an average 24 hours in your relationship. Think about an average 72 hours in your relationship. Not a birthday, not an anniversary, not a special moment, just an average 72 hours. Did you feel safe?

• 11:01Jay Shetty?

  Did you feel fulfilled? And did you feel heard? Was this person present with you? Did they give you the opportunity to express your feelings? Did they meet your emotions and feelings with presence and support? Or were they dismissive, neglectful or distant? I want to address this point that you made about overcoming your need to be a good girl and finally choosing yourself and not feeling bad for it. It's incredible how many of us stay in relationships because we don't want to look like the bad person. We know we're compromising our needs. We know we're putting ourselves second or seventh. We know we're deprioritizing ourselves. Self-abandonment is not love.

• 11:45Jay Shetty?

  Self-sacrifice is not love. Losing yourself is not love. So even if you lost yourself and got someone to love you, that isn't love. And so when you say you want to overcome this need of wanting to be the good girl and not feel bad for it, what we're really going through there is a change of identity. You believe that if you have your needs, that in some way that makes you a bad person. It makes you selfish, it makes you needy, whatever else it may be that you say to yourself. What I want you to do is look at all the other evidence in your life that you're a good person. Talk to your closest friends. Talk to a family member that loves you. Talk to your colleagues.

• 12:29Jay Shetty?

  You have so much other proof that you're still a good person and you can still have needs in your relationship. You don't become a bad person because you let someone down in your relationship. It doesn't change your entire identity. And often what we're really struggling with is this transformation of how we see ourselves. Recognizing I can say no. Recognizing I can have needs. Recognizing I can tell you what I need from this relationship and that doesn't make me a bad person. This tendency to people please, this tendency to overcompensate actually takes us further away from ourselves.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  Hi, I'm a 40-year-old woman. And for six years, I've been in a relationship with the father of my youngest child. Throughout the relationship, there was addiction, repeated lying, manipulation, gaslighting, emotional abuse and at times, physical violence. Looking back, I realize I slowly stopped trust in my own perception of reality. Since January, we call ourselves living apart, but emotionally, we never really separated. The relationship followed a pattern where he would sometimes suddenly decide we were over, call himself single, pursue sex or other women

• 13:54Speaker 02

  and come back wanting us to be together again. I stayed because I always believed the loving version of him was the real one and that the rest would eventually stop. We now have a young daughter together, so we still have contact. I'm in therapy and I'm trying to rebuild my life. Rationally, I know why I left, but emotionally, I still question myself. Some days, I miss him terribly, other days, I feel relief. I don't know if what I'm feeling is love, grief, hope or the effects of years of manipulation.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  I don't even know if I can trust my own intuition anymore. I think my question is, how do you know when you're being true to yourself? How can you tell the difference between genuine love and a trauma bond after years of emotional abuse? And if you lost trust in your own instincts because of gaslighting, how do you find your way back?

• 15:04Jay Shetty?

  First of all, I'm so sorry you had to live through someone's addiction, repeated lying, manipulation, gaslighting, emotional abuse. And as you say, even at times, physical violence. I want to make sure that we direct anyone who's suffering from emotional or physical violence and abuse to the right places. So please take a look at the details we have here. First of all, I believe it's extremely natural to be as confused, lost and experiencing all these different emotions at the same time. You talk about how you stayed because you always believed the loving version of him was the real one and the rest would eventually stop. And I think that's such a human thing to do.

• 15:48Jay Shetty?

  We give people grace, we even forgive them. We brush things under the rug or the carpet. We just move forward, hoping that the good parts stay and the bad parts leave. And I think when you say that I don't know if what I'm feeling is love, grief, hope or the effects of years of manipulation, the answer is you're actually feeling all of them. It sounds like you loved this person, but you're also grieving the version of them you thought they could become. It sounds like you hoped for a future that would be better, but you're experiencing the reality of how they actually treat you, whether it's pursuing other people for sex

• 16:31Jay Shetty?

  or whether it's mistreating you. And at the same time, it sounds like even though you have days you miss them, there is a part of you that genuinely feels relieved and hopefully a little bit more safe and self-preserving. So I just want to acknowledge how difficult and challenging and complicated this situation is for you because you've been on an emotional roller coaster. I'm so glad that you've got distance from the emotional roller coaster so that you can actually look back on it. Right? It's literally like looking back at a physical roller coaster and going, oh, that's the part that we went up and down. And that's the part that we did a 360. And that's the part where I thought I felt safe. And then it all went, you know, completely untrusting.

• 17:15Jay Shetty?

  And so this distance that you have right now is so important and so valuable. And it's natural as you're looking back on the relationship that you're noticing the highs, you're noticing the lows and you're... This episode is brought to you by Indeed. I know how important every hire is for a business. If you need to make the right hire, this is a job for sponsored jobs. Indeed sponsored jobs helps find quality candidates when you need the most. You can reach who you need based on whatever criteria you're looking for, like skills, certifications or location. In fact, people are finding quality hires on Indeed right now. In the minute I've been talking to you, companies like yours made 27 hires on Indeed, according to Indeed data worldwide.

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• 19:28Jay Shetty?

  Trying to make sense of it. Your first question is, how do you know when you're being true to yourself? I'd actually argue that you were being honest and true to yourself. You could tell that someone was trying to manipulate you. You could tell that someone was gaslighting you. You could tell that you were experiencing someone who was lying to you. And of course, physical and emotional abuse was happening to you as well. I think the challenge is, like all good humans, you've also had belief, you've also had hope. And these are wonderful things to have, but they're really dangerous things to have when you're with someone who doesn't know how to receive them. When you're with someone who's acting in the way that this individual is with you. Your second question is, how can you tell the difference

• 20:12Jay Shetty?

  between genuine love and a trauma bond after years of emotional abuse? For those of you that do or do not know, a trauma bond is strong emotional attachment that develops between a person and someone who's abusive, manipulative or harmful. It often forms through a repeated cycle of mistreatment, followed by periods of kindness, affection or remorse, making it difficult for the person experiencing the abuse to leave the relationship. I think you'd agree that that sounds like your experience too. The contrast between fear, hurt and relief can make the positive moments feel especially meaningful, even when the overall relationship is unhealthy. That's not love.

• 20:57Jay Shetty?

  That's a trauma bond. It's a hard truth to accept that what you thought was love was a trauma bond. That what you thought was a relationship of someone's kindness and love was actually this unpredictable behaviour that you were going through. And I think your last question is the most important thing we need to focus on. You say, if you lost trust in your own instincts because of gaslighting, how do you find your way back? I'm so, so happy to hear you ask that question. Because you have known in your body, mind and heart all along that this relationship has been unhealthy for you, you're aware of that. And somehow, we start mistrusting the very feelings that are being more honest with us.

• 21:42Jay Shetty?

  We maybe trust the other person's kindness, but we don't trust our own intuition. We trust the other person's hope giving and we don't trust our own pain. I want you in this moment to allow yourself to trust the pain, to trust the experience that you know you've had, no matter how heavy and hard it feels. With the help of your therapist, I want you to allow yourself to go there and go to the hardest, darkest, most difficult parts of this experience to acknowledge what you've actually gone through. Because I'm guessing that there's parts of you that are even trying to avoid that. And so the way you go back to trusting yourself is allowing yourself to feel everything in this moment that you naturally want to feel.

• 22:27Jay Shetty?

  If you want to cry, you need to let yourself cry. If you're feeling heavy, let yourself feel heavy. If you're looking back at a moment that happened and you felt that you were misled, mistreated, or whatever it is that you went through, allow yourself to feel that. Because that's you giving yourself permission to feel it. The same space that you gave that person to acknowledge their kindness, I want you to give yourself that space. That same part of you that was giving them the understanding, I want you to give yourself that understanding. And you will start to trust yourself when you start keeping small promises to yourself. If you promise yourself that you want to be out of contact with that person, you'll rebuild trust. If you promise yourself that you deserve this time for yourself to just do therapy and work through it, you'll start to trust yourself.

• 23:13Jay Shetty?

  There's something I want to share with you called the Love as Action Test. This is a great tool to discern between your feelings and how you were treated. Often, we love someone who treats us badly. Often, we have affection for someone who doesn't know how to reciprocate or receive our love. Often, we feel these intense emotions towards someone and we miss them, even when they were the ones causing us pain. And so the Lover's Action Test is I want you to measure the relationship by how you were treated, rather than by how intensely you feel about them. That answer usually clarifies so much for you. So you can literally get a piece of paper, put a line down the middle. And on one side, I want you to write down how you felt treated.

• 23:59Jay Shetty?

  And on the other side, write down how you feel about them. And notice how they don't corroborate. Notice how there isn't a parallel line between the two. That the way you were treated doesn't make sense for how you treat the person and how you feel about them.

• 24:18Speaker 03

  My question for you is, in a male-female relationship, anxious attachment female, semi-avoidant, withdrawal man. After a 10-month relationship, end things because the cycle was just too exhausting for both, but there was love there. But he ended it firmly, very firmly, and I'm not accepting it. I continue to reach out with hope and love and wishing that we could have worked things out, but he doesn't respond. My question is, what's, what's he thinking? Even though I know he cares, how come it's so easy for him to walk away?

• 25:02Jay Shetty?

  Thank you so much for your question. As I was listening to you, I was realising that as a anxious attachment female, it's natural that you're continuing to reach out. It's natural that you hope and have this desire, wishing that things could have worked out. And it's natural for you to want to repair. Those are very common traits, and so that makes sense. The challenge is that, as you pointed out to me, you're with a semi-avoidant, withdrawn man. And the way that person's responding is what creates the confusion. So without knowing you both better, it's hard for me to really deduce how your attachment styles affect you

• 25:47Jay Shetty?

  and affect your particular situation. But there are some patterns in attachment theory that can be helpful for us. If someone with a more avoidant attachment style ends a relationship with someone who has a more anxious attachment style, they might be experiencing a few of these thoughts. They may think this relationship just feels overwhelming, right? You're looking for that constant assurance, you're looking for constant connection. They're thinking, oh, this is too overwhelming for me. Now, you're probably listening to me say that, and you're thinking, no, I wasn't too much, I wasn't asking for that much connection. And I want you to hold on to that thought, I'll come back to you in a second. That person may be thinking, I just need space to think. The distance makes them feel like they can get emotional balance back. They could be thinking, when they're just not compatible, right?

• 26:31Jay Shetty?

  It's not really about conflict, I just don't think we're right for each other. And I know what you're thinking, you're thinking, but we are right for each other. We can make it work, we can repair it, we can solve it. Right? And hold on to that thought. And then they could be thinking, I don't want to disappoint them. Often, people who are avoidant may have a lack of self-worth. They may lack belief in themselves. And meeting their partner's emotional needs can make them feel quite discouraged. This episode is brought to you by Walden University. Balancing work, life and big goals isn't easy. That's why Walden University helps working professionals get the W with Tempo Learning, so you can earn your degree at your own pace while gaining practical skills through real-life scenarios.

• 27:14Jay Shetty?

  You'll also learn from faculty with real-world experience and have support start to finish. Walden University, set a course for change. Ready to start? Visit waldenu.edu today. Certified to operate by CHEV, Tempo Learning, available in select programs. Now, here's what I wanted to get to. How much did it help you when I tried to predict any of their potential thoughts? I'm guessing you had a response to each and every one of the potential thoughts that I said they might have. Your question of what are they thinking? Only works if you have the opportunity to ask them, which you don't, it seems that way. But trying to guess is going to drive you around in circles.

• 27:59Jay Shetty?

  So instead of trying to figure out what they're thinking, I would work on acceptance. Accepting that they were firm and very firm. Accepting that they are...

• 28:11Jay Shetty?

  Being consistent by not replying to your messages, by not communicating and getting to a place of trying to accept the reality is far better than trying to understand what they're thinking. They could be thinking this was too difficult. They could be thinking I'm not good enough. They could be thinking I can't make this work anymore. They could be thinking I'm not compatible. But what they're doing is even more important than what they're thinking. Often people are inconsistent. This person is being consistent and as painful and as harsh and as stressful and difficult that is, that is for you. And I, I'm with you right there. I, I, it's the worst feeling in the world. But the reality is you get the opportunity to rise above it and work on accepting it.

• 28:55Jay Shetty?

  Because why would you want to be with someone who doesn't want to be with you? Why would you want to keep chasing someone who isn't even responding to you? Why would you want to keep checking up on someone who doesn't have the capacity to do that for you? And yes, your mind will say there was love and there was care and there was affection. And yeah, I'm sure there was that. But just as you accepted that that existed, you have to accept that this is now existing. And I know that's painful. I know that's harsh, but it's the inconvenient truth of this moment. His silence is the answer that you keep refusing to hear. And the search for what he's thinking is the addiction promising relief

• 29:38Jay Shetty?

  that never comes, it will never arrive. There's a collection of essays by Cheryl Strayed called Tiny Beautiful Things. And she has a passage that ends with, "Acceptance is a small, quiet room." It's all about holding on with everything you have and realizing there's finally no choice but to let go. You could spend a month, 12 months, a few years trying to figure out what he thinks, why he thinks that, why he feels that way. Or you could take all of that energy and all of the lessons from this relationship and direct it towards yourself and a new one. See, we waste so many months and years trying to figure out why people did what they did,

• 30:22Jay Shetty?

  why they said what they did, who they were, who they're becoming, rather than focusing on who we're becoming and who we want to be and how these lessons can set us up for success in our next relationship. I encourage you to ask yourself this. Is it worth your time to try and figure out an answer that you'll never know is true or not? Or ever be satisfied with? Or is it better to accept and allow yourself to move on? To allow yourself to say this was 10 months where I learned a lot of lessons. Maybe something inside you was awakened. Maybe you learned something about yourself. And how can you take all of that energy, all of that goodness that you have and direct it towards yourself and someone else?

• 31:06Jay Shetty?

  Someone who wants to receive it? Someone who wants to accept all of you? Someone who's willing to work hard and repair to the level you do? It's beautiful and amazing that you want to repair. It's incredible that you want to fix. It's incredible that you still have hope and you wish for a better future. Why not direct that towards someone who wants the same with you? And now it's time for the journey, a new segment brought to you by Mazda. Too often we're so focused on what's next that we forget to appreciate the moments along the way. Whether you're driving, walking, or simply moving through your day, the journey is where we notice the little things, connect with people around us and find unexpected clarity. That's why every Mazda is designed with thoughtful, human-centric features

• 31:51Jay Shetty?

  that help you feel more aware, connected and present. One of the biggest misconceptions we have is that happiness exists only at the destination. We tell ourselves, I'll be happy when I get the promotion, when I reach the goal or when I finally have more time. But if we could arrive everywhere in the blink of an eye, we'd save time, but we'd lose so much more. Some of our best ideas don't come when we're rushing toward the next thing. They come when we give ourselves the space to think, reflect and simply let our minds wander. The journey is also where life happens. It's the conversation on the drive home, the walk with a friend, the unexpected detours and the moments we never planned for that often became the memories we cherish most.

• 32:36Jay Shetty?

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• 33:25Speaker 04

  Me and my girlfriend, we dated for about two years from March 2024 to May of 2026. As of March 2026, she asked for a break. She just wanted to focus on herself. This resulted in her focusing on herself, but also seeing other people involving one person where she maybe shared experiences that I thought she'd only share with me. But broke up with her as of May of 2026 and she really, really wants a second chance and says she will grow. And I said, you just need to grow on your own, work on a relationship with the Lord, whatever it is you need to do to be healed, because what you did to me was not fair and you lied to me about it. My question is, Jay, what do I do? Do I give it time and see if we can reconcile in a few months

• 34:09Speaker 04

  for her to grow and for myself to heal? Or is it time to move on to be with someone who would never do this to me? It is difficult because I do see her as my best friend. Thank you very much.

• 34:20Jay Shetty?

  I know you're asking whether you should give her another chance or move on. And I actually think there's a question even before that. And it's have you addressed or have you reconciled whether what the break was meant to do was achieved? She asked for a break because she wanted more independence. She wanted to focus on herself. And then we're being moved into this other direction where she had relationships during that break that have led to things that have affected your trust. So there's almost two separate things there. And I would almost pull it back and really look at whether she was able to achieve what she wanted on that break. Have you shared how you felt about that break?

• 35:03Jay Shetty?

  Have you had an opportunity to speak about what you went through and the pain and the challenges that came with that? I think that's really, really important because otherwise we're skipping a step. The other thing I'd like to say to you is that you don't have to make a decision today. And the reality is that instead of feeling the pressure, we need to focus on what to measure. And what you're really measuring in this moment is, is this person willing to change? Have they taken accountability? Can they actually show the behaviors and the understanding that you would require for a new relationship? Maybe you both didn't define what a break effectively was. Maybe you did, and that's why you feel lied to. It's not about getting back with someone that you had this wonderful relationship with

• 35:48Jay Shetty?

  or good feelings towards. It's being able to create the boundaries to move forward effectively and healthily. When trust has been broken, it has to be rebuilt. When there's been distance and separation, connection has to be rebuilt. You're not going backwards to where you were because you're not the same people today. You have to go forward to who you might become. Right? I think sometimes we just think, oh, I can just go back to being who we were. No, you can't. She's changed, you've changed. You've both been through experiences, even your relationship has changed. So how can you allow yourself the time and space, which I'm glad you're giving yourself, to actually ask the questions that you're asking me? Do you want to be with her? Do you want to move on? And you don't need to ask that question to the question is, what do I need right now? And the future question will be, what do I need to address with her?

• 36:33Jay Shetty?

  If we are going to move forward, what will I need to be clarified? What boundaries will I need to set in place to protect myself so that this doesn't happen again? And if I am going to give her a chance, what are some of the conditions that need to be really clear? People can change, people can grow. That's not the issue. The point is, does that person understand what they did wrong? Are you both clear about what the path forward looks like? You said, should you find someone who would never do this to you? I think that's a really beautiful ideal, but I don't think it's a guarantee. The point is to find someone that you can build trust with, someone that you believe is matching your energy,

• 37:15Jay Shetty?

  someone that you believe is communicating effectively with you. And so it's not about finding someone else who'd never do this to you. It's about finding someone else who wants to build with you and you want to build with them. I think what you've found here is someone wanted space, they want a distance. Do you like that? Do you want that? When they had the space and distance, you now feel they lied to you and they did things that weren't aligned with you? Is that what you want to reconnect with? You don't have to decide today. Healing and deciding are two different things. And right now you're healing. And once you've healed or get closer to that feeling of healing, then you can decide. Right now I feel like you're still hurt. And if in a few weeks or a few months,

• 37:58Jay Shetty?

  you want to open up to the idea of giving her a second chance, here are the questions I'd be asking. Has trust been rebuilt? Or are we just missing each other? Have the patterns that caused the breakup actually changed? Can we talk openly about what happened without defensiveness or resentment? And are we choosing each other because we're compatible now? Or because of what we had before? I know that you called her your best friend and losing a best friend is so painful and it's normal to grieve that. But don't let the fear of losing the relationship become the reason you return to the one that doesn't yet feel safe. I love something from Esther Perot's book, The State of Affairs,

• 38:42Jay Shetty?

  and her signature idea that taking someone back isn't resuming the old relationship. It's beginning a second one with the same person, but it's built new. In the book, she says, "I look at affairs from a dual perspective. Hurt and betrayal on one side, growth and self-discovery on the other. What it did to you and what it meant for me." She says, "When a couple comes to her in the aftermath of an affair that has been revealed, she'll often tell them this. Today in the West, most of us are going to have two or three relationships or marriages. And some of us are going to do it with the same person. Your first marriage is over. Would you like to create a second one together?" And I think that's the question you have to ask.

• 39:27Jay Shetty?

  What has happened has happened. It's important, it's valuable insight and information and room for discussion and setting of boundaries and new standards. But it's about whether you want to build a new thing with this person and whether they're willing to build something new as well. If her expectations are for you to be the person you were when you were dating, you're not going to be that person and that's going to set you up for failure.

• 39:52Speaker 05

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