Miles Chamley-Watson: #1 Mindset Shift That Changes Everything (Try THIS to Stay Sharp, Focused, and In Control)

In this conversation, Jay sits down with Olympic medalist and world champion fencer Miles Chamley-Watson to explore the mindset behind true resilience. Miles opens up about how fencing became his anchor through a difficult childhood, and the lessons shaped by failure, racism, family trauma, and the pressure of competing on the world’s biggest stages. Together, they unpack how confidence is earned through competence, how adversity can be turned into fuel, and why real success is staying rooted in who you are while creating opportunities for others. Throughout the episode, Miles shares the principles that helped him turn setbacks into purpose and use his platform to inspire the next generation. In this episode you'll learn: How to Turn Setbacks Into Fuel for Success How to Perform Under Extreme Pressure How to Build Resilience Through Adversity How to Stop Letting Fear Control Your Decisions How to Create a Life Bigger Than Your Achievements How to Be the Person Others Can Look Up To No matter where you are in your journey, remember that you don’t have to be perfect to move forward. Keep learning, stay true to who you are, and trust that growth often happens in the moments that test you the most. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:39 Why Is It So Hard to Fit In? 03:28 How Fencing Changed My Life 04:47 The Power of the Right Guidance 06:59 Why Every Great Athlete Needs a Mentor 09:09 Learn to Lose Before You Learn to Win 10:28 Bouncing Back From Your Biggest Defeat 13:58 Breaking Barriers in a Traditionally White Sport 16:19 Turning Anger Into a Competitive Advantage 18:22 What It Takes to Train Like a World-Class Fencer 20:47 Preparing for Competition Day 21:57 Reading and Anticipating Your Opponent 23:06 The Tragic Incident That Changed Fencing Forever 27:50 The Road to Olympic Success 33:00 Reconnecting With an Estranged Parent 39:15 When Life Leaves You Feeling Helpless 44:50 Staying True to Yourself Through Success 46:38 The Role Models Who Shaped My Life 51:01 The Importance of Strong Male Friendships 53:20 What is Inside a Professional Fencer’s Gear Bag? 57:17 Miles on Final Five Episode Resources: Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/fencer See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:44Speaker 01

  Fencing literally saved my life.

• 1:47Jay Shetty?

  Fencing is known for being a notoriously white sport. Talk to me about what it felt like getting to the Olympics, winning bronze.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  My mum always said, just win. And then, what can they say? I'm the best now. I'm still the 12-year-old kid with six, five golden tattoos. Winning's great, but changing a sport is bigger than any Olympic gold I could ever win.

• 2:10Jay Shetty?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier and more healed. Today's guest is not only a friend, but someone who I'm so fascinated to dive into his mindset. I love top performers, people who are operating at peak places and making incredible impact happen across the world in their field, and this is one of those people. Miles Chamley Watson is an Olympic medallist, redefining the sport with his style, confidence and a vision that's pushing it far beyond what it's ever been before. Miles Chamley Watson, welcome to On Purpose.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Wow, thank you, that was an absolutely incredible intro. It's an honour to be here, honestly. Before I got to meet you, it's really nice to be a fan of your work and I think you instill some incredible ideas on people, make them feel better, which the world needs more than ever. So, thank you for that and it's an honour.

• 3:02Jay Shetty?

  Dude, we met in the best way possible. I felt like we were on a boys' trip, which is what I felt like, and it just turned out to be like the easiest conversation. You guys invited me into the Wolf Pack, which made me feel really, really comfortable. We played poker from 11pm to 7am, three nights in a row. We were out on the water, it was amazing and I just, you know, I know that I was kind of coming in fresh and new and it was just, you were one of those people, you and Spins especially, big shout out Spins. You were one of those people that's made me feel like at home. So, not only are you amazing at what you do, which we'll get into, you're a great guy off as well, so I appreciate you, man.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:41Jay Shetty?

  I want to dive in by asking you, like, what I heard from you and I've been watching your interviews and obviously I came to your event, which we'll talk about in a second, but I feel like you always felt like you didn't quite fit in. Talk to me about your earliest memory that reminds you of that feeling.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  I think being born in London, my mum was kind of the mum and dad. That was kind of in my life, I was about eight years old. So I think naturally you kind of rebel. So I think when I was playing football, running track and fields, I always felt like I was just different, kind of my approach, my mindset. And then we moved to America, I was about nine or 10, kind of in between those years. And those years are very important, right? All your friends are there, your family's there. So naturally, moving from London to New York. I was like, I don't wanna be here. So getting into trouble, getting kicked out of my first school, public school, then I got kicked out of my second school. And then my mother met someone that was on the admissions program for private school, which was to give tuition grants, because we had money at the time.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  But as a punishment, I had to pick up tennis, fencing, or badminton.

• 4:45Jay Shetty?

  As a punishment?

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Because they considered it mental sports. I was like, oh, whatever. Sports are fun. And then I was like, wait, I can pick up a sword and like stab you, right? This is like the kid's dream. And then immediately, that was my purpose. Because you put the mask on and you feel like a superhero. And I think that was the first time I realized like, okay, this is gonna be my way out of whatever I'm kind of in. And then I was very A D D, A D H D. And then fencing became my Adderall. And as I started to get better in fencing, I started to get better in school. So that kind of ended up being a double sided sword, which ended up being my job. I kind of got very, very lucky in finding fencing, because I don't know where I'd be now if I wasn't, you know, a professional fencer, which is a crazy thing to say, you know?

• 5:28Jay Shetty?

  I feel like sports, when you're young, are so important. What was the difference? Because everyone plays sports. I played a lot of sports growing older. You're obviously phenomenal at what you do. How quickly did you realize that this could be something you were actually really good at?

• 5:42Speaker 01

  I think it was immediately.

• 5:43Jay Shetty?

  Really?

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, picked it up right away. And Ellen Grayson, who I love her to death, hello. Um, she was like, Miles, you could be an Olympian. And I was like, that's in fencing, really? And I think immediately I felt this connection that was like nothing else in my life. And it was like my therapy. And I think nowadays, it's like kids, A D D, A D H D. First things I hear, we should give them a pill or give them a drug. And I'm like, find them something that they love. I think that's the key is, and sports are amazing, because no matter if you're rich or poor, at the end of the day, it's who's gonna win, right? Same sword in my hands, same mask on my head. And I think that's why sports are so incredible, because they saved my life. I never knew at that time that it would be my, you know, be all end all. But fencing literally saved my life.

• 6:29Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Which is crazy to say.

• 6:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, but I believe you. I can feel it. Like, even just sitting with you and you saying that, I'm like, wow, that's like, because I feel like so many parents today are wondering, how do I get my kid to be confident? How do I get my kid to like, just get out there? And I couldn't agree with you more that. You only feel confident when you have some competence, like when you feel like you have a skill or you have an ability and you have something to do beyond scrolling on your phone or, you know, watching a show or playing video games or whatever it may be. For you, talk to me about, what do you think life would have looked like if you didn't find fencing that early?

• 7:02Speaker 01

  I honestly don't know, cause we were hanging around the corner shops, you know, getting into trouble, stealing sweets, just kinda, cause we didn't really know what there was for us. And I think that's also very important, having a father figure in your life. And thank God my mom, my mom found my stepdad, Colin, who I say my dad to you, cause he is my dad who raised me. I think that's also very, very important, is cause you need someone that's gonna tell you no when they can. And I honestly don't think I would be, definitely not talking to you. And I definitely don't know if I'd be behind the bars, to be honest with you, cause I was just such a crazy little kid. My friends I grew up with, you know, they're plumbers, happy. Um, but I was kinda the only one out of us to kind of make it out and, and create a name for myself.

• 7:39Jay Shetty?

  What area did you grow up in?

• 7:40Speaker 01

  First, it was southwest London, and then it was Ealing. And then it was Putney, and then Kilburn a little bit.

• 7:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  And then we moved to New York. Yeah, and a really, really funny story. Twenty twelve Olympics, my three friends, Aaron, Adam and Blake, they're all brothers. They were plumbers and they actually built the Olympic Village.

• 7:59Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  So yeah, first time I was saying that, yeah, they literally built the village.

• 8:03Jay Shetty?

  That's so cool.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  And they were calling me, hey mate, I'm building a village. I said, what do you mean? And like plumbing it and making it. And then they kinda got to see me compete.

• 8:10Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  And it all came. So that was a full stocker moment for me.

• 8:13Jay Shetty?

  That's amazing.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:14Jay Shetty?

  That's so good, man.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was crazy.

• 8:16Jay Shetty?

  And that just happened by chance. There was no connectivity or anything.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  By chance. And I think life is obviously about, timing's everything in life. And I really believe that. And I think some things might be not the right time, relationships, partners, sports, but sports, I think are the number one thing. If I have children, I would put them in right away. I'm not gonna tell you to be a fencer, but I think just sports teach you how to lose, what it feels like, integrity, listening. And I think that's what fencing taught me.

• 8:42Jay Shetty?

  I told you this before. I don't think we had a proper conversation about it. So I did fencing at school. And I won some super amateur championships at like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. I don't, I don't, you know, maybe, I'm joking. I could never have been good enough to, to compete with what you do, but. I loved it as a sport, actually. I thought it was pretty, it was really strategic, it was tactical. The fitness level was, you know, it was challenging. I still remember actually really well. We'd do it in the gym at school. Talk to me about the importance of a mentor though, because it sounds like you gave a shout out to someone there. And I was like, I think that's the difference. Like when I played a lot of sports at school, you've got to have someone who kind of takes you under their wing and like invests in you and makes you feel like you could go far. And I've found them in life, I've found them in business.

• 9:26Jay Shetty?

  I've found them in spirituality and meditation and other areas of my life. But sports is somewhere where I think a coach or a mentor is just the most important person. Talk to me about how you found yours.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. I think Ellen Grayson and Eric Rosenberg, they were working at the school at the time and they saw my potential. And they actually were the first person to say, get your citizenship. But I didn't realise I was going to be who I am to this day. Without them, I would never probably have seen my potential and seen how far I could take fencing. And then my coach, Simon Gershon, became like my dad. I can tell him everything. He's kind of teaching me that, you know, that you must learn how to lose before you can learn how to win, which is a tattoo I have, which I think is so important because understanding the feeling of losing as an athlete is the hardest thing, you know, to kind of understand and swallow. But then you have to understand what that feels like. So when you do win, you appreciate that more than ever. I taught him every day. If I'm not feeling good, he can sense it.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  So to me, having a coach and a mentor and a role model is so important. I think now it's why I love being that for the kids now, which is one reason why I started this league. But I love seeing kids look up to me, parents ask me questions. And I think if I can be a little bit of a catalyst or a kind of a helper for them, then that's probably bigger than winning any medal I could ever win.

• 10:39Jay Shetty?

  That's such great advice. Where's your toe? Is it?

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's somewhere on here.

• 10:43Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. How many toes do you have?

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Hundred and fifty.

• 10:47Jay Shetty?

  Really?

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:48Jay Shetty?

  That's mad.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I tattooed my hands because in fencing we're all in white.

• 10:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  So I was like, you know, I want to step out. And my mum hated it because she's, you know, a British lady.

• 10:56Jay Shetty?

  Now, I remember when we were travelling as well, you've got these crazy ones on your shin as well, on your legs, yeah. When did you start?

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Two thousand and twelve, I got my first one in London.

• 11:03Jay Shetty?

  Oh, that's late.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  At the Olympics, yeah. And it says from London to London. And then I won more championships and I got the dates. And then I was like, I really like it. And then I just kind of went crazy with it. But they're all very, very purposeful. They're not just random ones I've gotten for the sake of it.

• 11:19Jay Shetty?

  What's the lose and win one again? Say that again.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  You must learn how to lose before you can learn how to win.

• 11:23Jay Shetty?

  I really like that. That's dope.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  And I really understood that when I lost at the Olympics. Um, we got fourth and I was like, oh wait, four years. And then I kind of changed my whole mentality. And then twenty thirteen is when I made history. I was the first ever black American world champion in the history of fencing. And I think if I didn't lose, I don't know if I'd ever win, which is a weird thing to kind of say. But I think it's pretty poignant and I think it is very important for your character. And just trying to be as humble and even cool as you can, because I never understand some athletes who reach a certain peak. And they just change who they are. And I think if you can keep, you know, that little kid in you, then I think you'll be able to go through life with a lot more wins than losses.

• 12:05Jay Shetty?

  It's such powerful advice. I remember I had, obviously I never competed at any level, but I remember having a football coach. Who'd always say to us, he was like, if you win, celebrate for a night and then get back to training. And if you lose, cry for a night and then get back to training.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:21Jay Shetty?

  And he was like, all you have to do is get back to training.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:23Jay Shetty?

  Said, everything else is irrelevant. You can celebrate for one night, you can cry for one night, but get on with it. Because his whole point was like, when we lose, we cry for a month. And when you win, you celebrate for a night. And that's why you remember the bad times more than the good times, because when you lose, you get so deep into it. Talk to me about that loss that you had, the details of like what it felt like to lose in that way.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Well, it felt like your life is over at that time. My nan was there, you know, she's African, my aunts, my uncles, everybody supported me and I'm like, I feel like I let everybody down. And they don't care. They'll be for who I am. But at that time, that was my biggest moment in sports, is making the Olympics in twenty twelve in London. And I just felt like, oh.

• 13:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, hometown as well.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Hometown, ashamed of myself. And a really, really beautiful moment for me was I'm in the village. And the basketball team walks in and Kirby walks in. And he's like, hi, how are you? And I'm like, hi, how you doing? He's like, I'm Kobe. I'm like, I know who you are. I'm Miles on the fencer. And he told me this quote, I'll never forget it. I got a tattoo on my leg. He says, the best athletes have the shortest memory. You win, you forget about it. You lose, you forget about it. When you've done your career, you can celebrate all you want. And I sit there and I was like, wow. And immediately that grin turned into a smile. And then I changed my whole mentality and then I won the next year. I was able to tell him, which was really, really beautiful. But I think when you meet someone like that who you look up to, and they're just even more incredible in person.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  And he's just very humble and told me that from, from his coach. And I never ever forget that. And I have a tattoo on the back of my leg with his face. So I think those moments are priceless to me. And I think if I would have won, would I have had that time with him? Or would I have been able to do more in my sport? So I think everything has a reason to come into your life, whether it's positive or, or, or negative. And I'm grateful for these moments in life that, you know, are incredible.

• 14:11Jay Shetty?

  That's such a great story, man.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  I'll never forget it.

• 14:14Jay Shetty?

  Kobe came on the podcast, the first year of the podcast. It was brand new. We just started out and he did exactly what you said. He walked into the room and he introduced himself as Kobe to my whole team. And everyone's like, yeah, we know exactly who you are. And my favorite memory from that day was that when we walked in, he was in his office. And you could just see the silhouette of his head and his team was saying that he was meditating in there. Before he came to do the interview and he said, they said he did that every morning. When we finished the interview, this was a little clip. I still have this clip. I've never put it out there because I feel it would be disrespectful, but at the end of it, he goes, I can see why you're number one. And I was just like, that will like, stay with me forever. He gave me the biggest hug and yeah, I was so grateful to him.

• 14:57Jay Shetty?

  And that was like three months before his tragic passing. So it was like right then. But yeah, what, what an incredible role model, amazing energy, like so present, really humble. Everything you just said, like just meeting someone at that level, that caliber, who was just so down to earth.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  I don't want to talk too much about it because obviously respect to him, but I was on set with Nike talking about him the day it happened.

• 15:20Jay Shetty?

  Oh.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  The day it happened.

• 15:23Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  And then Lewis actually texted me, I love you, brother. I was like, I love you too. But my phone was in the green room. And I was talking about him, his impact on me. And everybody just stood in silence and it was just like. It was, you know, I think larger than life is people and life's a brutal reminder. And I think it's just enjoy every moment you can, negatives or positives. And I think that's all we can do in life and just leave with love and everyone else will take care of itself. But that man was so special.

• 15:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, one of a kind. He was, he was one of the few athletes I knew that was peaceful in retirement.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:00Jay Shetty?

  He was really happy because he was getting, he won the Oscar for the short film that was teaching lessons from basketball. Yeah, exactly. But I was thinking about it, you mentioned something there. You said that you're the first black person in the sport to win. I mean, that just first of all, that is a huge accomplishment. Congratulations. I just wanna acknowledge and honor just what a big deal that is. But fencing is known for being a notoriously white sport.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:24Jay Shetty?

  Like, that's what it's always been, I assume. You can fill me in the history a little bit. Talk to me about even breaking into something like that because I don't, that's not normal. That doesn't sound easy. I'm sure there's a lot of things to navigate, like walk me through that experience.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  I was in this group class and, you know, they picked me one on the team. We did like a first team event. It was like, so three people in one team versus other three. And every time I was picked last, knowing I was not the worst one. And at the time, you're kind of like, all right, this is, this is weird. I'm the kind of looks like me in it. And then I started to realize that no one in the sport really made a mark on them that was my color. Besides Peter Westbrook, who I have to give some homage to. And then my first ever Junior Olympics, I never forget it. I got five red cards for no reason. And I knew it was because of the color of my skin. Because the next day I won the under seventeen, I knew it. And now I've seen the referee still to this day and I still have this, this, I was like a little kid.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  And it's just, you don't know why things are happening to you. But then as I got older, I started to realize, but just because of the color of my skin. Because no one in that sport had broken that mold. And there's been countless times of referees and, and coaches that are just racial gestures that I've never really talked about. Cause my mom always just said, just, just win. And then what can they say? I've had many, many occasions from probably fourteen. So seventeen, eighteen, then I was like, I'm the best now. And it's unfortunate because now there's still racism in the sport, right? It happened with this kid in Amsterdam and I messaged him right away, like, you know, I have your back. And I'll talk about it and, you know, post about it because it's, you need someone who's gonna have your back. Cause it's a very lonely feeling when you're the only one that has felt this way.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  Once I started to realize that, I, I made it like a positive chip on my shoulder. And I was like, okay. And I never look at life as anything negative, whether it's, you know, being racially profiled or losing. I always have a positive outlook on everything because it's never lost, it's always a lesson. And I think that was something that I was like, okay, this is gonna be change in the sport. And I will leave fencing in good hands because I know I've changed the sport for the best.

• 18:29Jay Shetty?

  How did you handle it at the time when you didn't have someone reaching out to you?

• 18:32Speaker 01

  The good thing about fencing is I can take my aggression out on my opponent. So it's a positive thing for the sport.

• 18:38Jay Shetty?

  To channel it.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, you're crying in the locker room, I never cried for my mom. You know, luckily we have a mask on, you know, shake your opponent and put the mask back on. But I think at that age, it's, it's, it's okay to cry and it's okay to let things out. Because all coaches and parents who I've seen who have actually shunned their kids for showing emotions. I've seen parents leave their kids at competitions because their kid lost to me. And actually, the kid is actually my friend now. And it's just a shame that, that parents don't realize like how much pressure there is on, on us to just win. So I think now seeing kids that look more like us, brown, white, whatever, girls. I just wanna make them feel comfortable and happy and safe. And I think if I can be this beacon for them, then that's what I'm gonna do in the sport.

• 19:23Jay Shetty?

  Well, that was so incredible when you launched the World Fencing League. I just got to attend in L A. I felt like you had people from different countries, different cultures, different backgrounds. I mean, that was pretty epic, man. That was amazing.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  It was honestly a dream come true. We sold out, we broke records, I think over a million people live watching, which is more than the Olympics. And I think just seeing kids so happy that the sport is on the map was the best feeling I've ever felt in my life. So seeing all the little kids on the red carpet, it's all the fences inside telling me, mate, I think you've done it. And that was to me. The greatest day of my life because it was just, we really changed the sport on one day because now there's an audience of people that have never seen it like yourself, like people in tech, people in sports, people that I've looked up to, to the fencing fans to get the love that they deserved was incredible. Even I'm smiling because I'm generally so

• 20:15Speaker 01

  happy that it happened and now the response has been so positive. So we can keep growing and growing. I just want to get fencing on a mainstream, you know, channel and platform, which is going to happen. But it takes someone like myself to know that it's going to be tough, but I can handle it.

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• 23:02Jay Shetty?

  For anyone who doesn't really know that much about fencing or is new to it, walk us through like what the regime is, what the fitness training is, what the skill is, what the art is, like how you train. It's almost like when people watch Drive to Survive, that was when people realized what F1 drivers did.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:20Jay Shetty?

  I'm sure you're working on a version of that for fencing. I see it.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:24Jay Shetty?

  And I feel like getting inside your mind is interesting to me because I'm like, I love knowing how people who are performing at the highest levels, figure that out because that's what I'm obsessed with, is knowing how you perform at that level and that peak. So what's the training? What's the focus? What's the patterns? What are the things that you have to do that might surprise us?

• 23:44Speaker 01

  I would say fencing is like physical chess, right? Where it's mentally just as taxing as physically. Cause I have to think what you're gonna do ahead and then react to what you're gonna do as well. So I'd say the three main things would be being explosive, your reaction, and your timing. So if I have to react to you and then my timing of hitting you before you can hit me, I would say is very, very important. But then it becomes a beautiful dance as well where I'm more of a feeling type of fencer, where I like to see what you're gonna do, I like to look at your feet, I like to look at your mannerisms. But then there's guys that are very good too, that are very mental. And they'll just sit kind of more defensive and kind of pick you apart. I would say fencing is like if...

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Boxing, Taekwondo and 100 meters had a baby.

• 24:30Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Cause you have to be very explosive right after the gate. You have to be very, very reactive, but then you have to have a feeling of kind of if things go bad, how do I change right away? So it's kind of like, there's no real sport like fencing because it's so unique. And then once you see it in person, you're like, oh my God, the real athletes. I'm like, it's don't like The Parent Trap, you know? Great movie, but I'm like, you know, people are like, oh yeah. I'm like, no, no, no, people died 50, 60 years ago because it's an actual sword, right? I did the foil discipline, but so I'd say it's, it's like physical chess. Well, I tell people where it's just as taxing mentally as it is physically. It's such a unique sport because it is grip strength as well as core and your legs. Cause you're in a squat the entire time.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  And I think, you know, as you saw, it's so explosive and it can be over in five minutes or 40 minutes. So you have to have a great VO2 as well. Get your heart rate from, you know, 160, 170 back to the low seventies, eighties. So yeah, it's a, it's a crazy sport.

• 25:28Jay Shetty?

  When you're training for a big tournament, what does your regime look like for how long?

• 25:32Speaker 01

  So I would say preseason, we're doing a lot of cardio and it's like similar to boxing, right? So we'll do 10 rounds on the salt bike. It's you know, 20 seconds on, 40 seconds off, 10 times. And we'll do the ski, I'll do sprinting. We don't necessarily need too much distance work. It's more like high intensity, get the heart rate down, get that right back up again. And then I like to train four to five times a week. So Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday is big fencing, which is sparring, kind of get the fencing stamina. And then Tuesday, Thursday, if you want to do Friday as well, it's more of a lesson, which is one on one with your coach, which is, how do I want to get better in this tactical movement?

• 26:15Speaker 01

  And I say that's kind of the building block for most fences.

• 26:18Jay Shetty?

  Got it.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, whether you're 12, whether you're my age, it's, it's pretty intense at a young age.

• 26:23Jay Shetty?

  And then how much are you fencing, like how much are you training different moves and?

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:29Jay Shetty?

  If that's even the right word.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no, it's good. Well, I'm very creative, so I like make up my own moves by myself. I like to spend an hour on my own in the gym when no one's there.

• 26:37Jay Shetty?

  Well, that's what I find so hard about fencing is that when I saw it at the World Fencing League, to me. I was like, how do they predict anything? Cause you could do anything like that. Obviously, the target mark is only the upper part of the body, right?

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:51Jay Shetty?

  You can't get someone's face, you can't get someone's legs, you can't get someone's feet. But even with that, I was like, the way the fences were moving their foil. I was like, how would you know what they're about to do? Because it's so unpredictable. It's not like, it's not obvious. It's not like, oh, there's this move and this move and this move.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Some opponents have like specific mannerisms where like, say Italians are very good at putting pressure on you. You know, Russians are more tactical, French kind of have both.

• 27:19Jay Shetty?

  Oh, it's by country.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  Kind of, yeah, I would say, yeah.

• 27:22Jay Shetty?

  There's a style in each country.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  And then the Asians have incredible footwork, like it's, it's insane. So you can kind of know that with fencing, Korean, you have to move your legs like crazy. Italians, you have to think a lot and react. French, they kind of have everything in one. And then Americans are kind of unpredictable as well. We have our own styles, but I would say for the most part. Actually, yeah, it is actually by, by country. And I'm like, yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.

• 27:46Jay Shetty?

  When, when you said people died in the sport, how long ago?

• 27:49Speaker 01

  I would say sixty seven, sixty five, seventy years ago.

• 27:53Jay Shetty?

  What? Because they didn't have the?

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. So back in the day, it, it was dry. So Smirnoff and Barry were fencing. And unfortunately, the foil broke off and went through his eye and it killed him immediately. So nowadays, if it breaks, there's a light that comes on right away. But back in the day, it was dry. So you just have to hope it doesn't break. So it was real, real like some warrior stuff back in the day. And then now it's obviously progressed and now we've added new tech, which we did in the, in the whole league. But it is a, it is, we're literally sword fighting. But I think people don't understand how hard it is until you see it. Like, it's really, really tough.

• 28:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  And I played, you know, football, I ran track, I played tennis, but I think you do realize it is an intense sport. So if I can give that, you know, kind of knowledge to the people that don't know, to understand it more, I think that's a massive key.

• 28:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I also feel like you bring your swag to fencing. You just mentioned.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:45Jay Shetty?

  The Met Gala, like, I'm like, you can go from like fencing outfit to Met Gala to streetwear. I'm like, I'm sure you don't see that a lot in fencing either.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I think.

• 28:54Jay Shetty?

  You've got your own Nike.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:56Jay Shetty?

  Swag that people.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Second one, you know?

• 28:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Honestly, those are dreams. I think like. I always knew that I wanted to do something different and like never be in a box. But like to be yourself, and I think the best anybody could ever say is, Miles, you've never changed. That's the best compliment. I can't even tell some of my teammates what I'm doing because it just sounds so ridiculous. I don't ever come off as like as cocky or, you know, I'm, I'm pretty humble if you meet me. So I think from like going from competition Istanbul to Miami F1 to the Met to going right into training. Like people think I don't, I don't miss training, but I'm on, I go from the airplane to training. So I think like it is a lot of pressure, but it also is a blessing. But whenever I'm tired, I'm like, mate, look at your life, like you're doing some pretty cool things.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  They're all a blessing, but it is, it is a lot. But I try my best to, to take some time to, you know, meditate. I'm, I'm trying to do that. I'm learning because I'm ADD.

• 29:54Jay Shetty?

  Next time, instead of poker, we'll do that with everyone.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, we should. No, I really, yeah, yeah, no, or before even.

• 29:59Jay Shetty?

  Or before, yeah.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Because I think people don't want to spend time with themselves. And for me, I love hang out myself. It sounds crazy, but I love just being at home. I'm reading, I'm finishing The Untethered Soul right now. I'm reading, which is crazy to me.

• 30:13Jay Shetty?

  It's a great book.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Great book. Obviously, I love TV, I love shows and sports, but I'm trying my best now to like take a deep breath and try and shut my phone off at like 10:30 at home and just, you know, take some time with myself. But how are you doing? Are you good? And then I'm, yeah, I'm good. I'm generally a happy person, like actually happy. So like I'm good on that. But it's also just like, all right, like take a deep breath and just relax for once. And I think that's my hardest part is the balance. And I think that's the ongoing battle.

• 30:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I feel like we all think our worth comes from being busy and productive and always being on. And it's a good distraction away from your actual thoughts.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 30:51Jay Shetty?

  And what's actually going on inside. And then when you slow down, the thought arises and you go, oh gosh, I don't know if I can sit with this.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:57Jay Shetty?

  And that's why I always say to people, that's probably the hardest sport in the world is sitting with your thoughts. Like fighting with your thoughts is the hardest sport in the world.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Honestly, one hundred percent, cause especially like as athletes, right? It's like you're in the hotel room before and you can't help yourself but to think about tomorrow. So like I read this book about samurais and it said you can't, don't worry about what you don't know.

• 31:16Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  And that's why now I never talk about fencing, I never watch fencing until the morning of. I don't even know who I fence until the morning.

• 31:24Jay Shetty?

  So you don't analyze the opponent until the morning?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Sometimes I don't know how I'm gonna fence until I'm on the strip, which is kind of crazy.

• 31:28Jay Shetty?

  Why?

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Because one time I I knew and I couldn't sleep and then I'm I'm envisioning in my head and I wake up and I'm tired. At the end of the day, if I don't know what I'm gonna do fencing, how the hell could you plan for me?

• 31:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Right? So I realized that. So now I don't ever, ever take talk about fencing, think about fencing. I don't wanna know. I don't even go to the venue that before. I just, whatever city I'm in, I kind of walk around.

• 31:50Jay Shetty?

  That is definitely unique for an athlete.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 31:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  People are like, why are you doing that? But like, that helps me.

• 31:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  And then that's like how I deal with with pressure, cause at the end of the day, pressure is a privilege. But it also comes with a lot of pressure, but also understanding now that like, if you can have this understanding that like you're supposed to win competition, that's a gift. So if you can lean into that, like most people don't, aren't supposed to win. So that they've got no real pressure.

• 32:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  So I think now understanding that's actually a gift has helped me be like, alright, like just, you know, lean into this. So I think just learning more about myself has given me more understanding of the sport of fencing.

• 32:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Talk to me about the road to your favorite tournaments, whether it's the Olympics, winning bronze, world champion. Like, talk to me, let's talk about the Olympics first, because I mean, and you brought us the Olympic medal, which was incredible, which we're gonna. That's, I mean, I've never seen one in real life. Like you said, everyone's wearing the fake ones when they're out or whatever in the pictures.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:49Jay Shetty?

  Talk to me about what it felt like getting to the Olympics, winning bronze.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  I would say getting there, you know, point zero zero one percent of the population gets to go to the Olympics. I think it's like point zero zero one get a medal, right? So unless you're Phelps, who's got two thousand of them. But I think when you get there, at least my first one, I changed everything. I was serious. I didn't see my friends, which ended up being their own decision. And then the next year, I was like, you know, I'm gonna enjoy this. I'm gonna get to know my friend the night before and I won. That was me realizing that not everybody is the same athlete. And yes, there's rules and techniques and routines, but like, I'm not like the next person. So why should I prepare like them? So then, once I started to understand that I'm different, then that kind of led me up to Rio.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  And I actually lived in Korea a little bit. And I trained with Young Ho Kim. And I won the first Grand Prix of the season. People are like, why is he going to Korea? I'm like, why not? And I won the first Grand Prix of the season. And I was like, that's why. Cause I wanted to learn something new. I think as athletes, change is okay, but sometimes it's hard to take that leap, right? And then I made the Olympics and I had the best team fencing of my life. And I was able to enjoy the moment, the process, be in Rio, you know, meet the other athletes. And I think that was when I realized you need to enjoy the journey because when you're done, besides a medal, memories to me are more important. And if you lose those memories, then you've lost, I think, the coolest part of the journey.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  So I think leaning into like the understanding and having fun was ultimately why I was able to, you know, go to three Olympics and have success. And you know, now I'm like, this kid's like, I'm so stressed. I'm like, what are you stressed about? Cause you wanna win, that means you care. Next thing. So I've been able to go through each of these ebbs and flows and have answers to most of them, which I think is the key to success, right? Everybody can be really, really good. If you can unlock the mind, that's when you become a legend. And that's what I'm learning from people who are legends of, you know, taking those risks and being crazy. Cause you know, it takes one person to change the world, right? It takes one person to change the sport. And I think if I can be that person, then I've created a whole new roadmap for the next kids to,

• 35:03Speaker 01

  oh wow, this is a different approach for me, which has been a blessing.

• 35:07Jay Shetty?

  I love that. I love the idea of you get a career, learning a new school of thought. I love the idea of being this multifaceted individual because you're so right that whether it's sports or whether it's business, whatever it is, everyone thinks that there's only one way to do it, right? And then you speak to all these founders and you're like, no, they all did something different. They discovered their idea differently, they built teams differently, and they took their human experience and put it into what they were doing. And that's what made it as good as it was. I've really been on this hype of wanting anyone, whatever industry you're in, whether it's sports, media, business, whatever, it's finance, tech, to find what it is that makes you different and lean into that and not lean into thinking, how do I look like that other guy who's doing it as well?

• 35:52Jay Shetty?

  Because I think that time is gone. I think that time existed. Back in the day, you had to wear the suit like that guy wore. And you had to wear the shoes that he wore. And you had to play golf like him or whatever it was. And I was like, that's changed now. It just doesn't work that way.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Exactly. You said it perfectly because there's always this stigma like, I have to do, I can't have a tattoo because I'm not gonna get a job. I told my mom, I'll be the first ever, not that money matters, but I'll be the first ever millionaire fencer. It's like saying I'm gonna see a unicorn because it's never existed. But I knew if I was just myself, it would figure itself out, right? And I have tattoos. And now kids are getting tattoos because it's such a still elitist, uppity sport and you can't do these things. I'm like, no, why not? You know, I won't be in a meeting with CEOs. I'm actually sitting with the guy that made your phone and I'm myself, right? So like you said, I think it's, that time is gone, but I think people are still so scared to take a risk. And I think that's the difference. There's so many people that are the same nowadays, which is, I think, the issue.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  And I think if you can just honestly be yourself, you'll figure out what life is for you. And I think I never wanted to be like anybody else in sports or life in general. And there were those times when I was like, was this the right decision? But I knew, keep your head down, keep being you, and things will happen for you. And they did. I used to think that fencing was like my. Kind of anchor, oh, he's a fencer, but that's actually my gift. I used to lie to people, oh, yeah, I play basketball, you know, just cause like.

• 37:15Jay Shetty?

  I'd believe it, yeah.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  Cause if people were trying to make fun of me or trying to fight me or bully me in school, yeah, cause I was a fencer.

• 37:21Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Cause to them it was not a cool sport. And then now my Instagram is Fencer and I'm like, that's what I'm doing. That's my purpose, right? And Michael Strahan, one of my great friends and mentor, always told me, never mess up your main and keep that your main. I was like fencing is my main, everything else will come, but just don't lose sight of what you were here on this planet to do.

• 37:40Jay Shetty?

  Did it affect you between when your father left when you were eight and then before you had your now dad that you mentioned, like, did that affect you in any way, like?

• 37:48Speaker 01

  I think it did for sure. And I think there are times of like, now that I'm old and I can understand it, like, why are you getting into trouble? Why are you doing these things, right? I think it probably does stem from trauma or stemming from something because why else would I be acting up? My mom's an amazing mom, she's giving me all the right lessons. Like, why is it happening? Obviously, one of my best friends, Lewis, was, but you need to attack that, you need to understand that, right? Like, why is this happening? And I, you know, went on a spiritual, I went on a spiritual journey and understood, oh, wow. And I hadn't talked to him for ten, for over ten years.

• 38:24Jay Shetty?

  Oh, wow. Your biological father.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then, you know, I had this awakening, picked up the phone and called him. I said, hey, dad, this is Miles. How are you? I don't know about the past, has everything gone? Because I also realized that kids don't realize that their parents are growing up as well. And that was like, oh, wow. Not saying right or wrong, but once I did that, it was like a.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  And then I think I started to just understand way more about myself. So I think definitely I had trauma without even knowing it was trauma at the time. And then now it's like, I've got such a clear understanding of that probably made me who I am.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  So I almost wouldn't want it any other way. And then my stepdad, who is my dad, is the most amazing person. He taught me how to be a man. And I think that's the coolest part is having this kind of rollercoaster journey created, you know, this person in front of you. But I think not having that growing up somehow helped me not take no for an answer and really knock some doors down. So I think it definitely was a time when I had to be like, okay, why are you getting in trouble? Why are you getting arrested? Why are you doing these things?

• 39:35Jay Shetty?

  Did you get arrested?

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. One time I was a stupid competition and I was like throwing these like shampoo bottles down just. And then it was just stupid. I got handcuffed. Then my mom walked in. Oh, this is the worst story. And then my mom walked in as it happened and I was like, oh my God.

• 39:53Jay Shetty?

  You're more scared of your mom than the car?

• 39:55Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. Oh, my God.

• 39:57Jay Shetty?

  At that age, for sure.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  And then it was just like these moments of like, why are you getting in trouble? Why are you getting in fights? Just, you know, but I think it all stemmed from trauma that I was like small things like I never had that.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  What's it the birds and the bees talk, whatever that is, your parent or the small little things that I think are important, especially at that age. So I think that was definitely a reason for all of my negative antics was definitely probably because it was just my mom and she was.

• 40:25Jay Shetty?

  Trying her best.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  No, she was crushing it, but she never complained and never saw her cry. I never saw her anything. And now she's hopefully living the life, but she is the strongest man and woman I know by far.

• 40:37Jay Shetty?

  What did your biological dad say when you called him after those 10 years?

• 40:40Speaker 01

  I remember yesterday it was like a, uh, hello? I was like, yes, Miles. He was like, hi, son. And then I was like, listen, I don't care about the past. Do you need anything? How are you? Talk for about, I want to say it was like 45 seconds. I think I remember seeing on the phone. And then it was just like a whoa. But it was like a really nice closing a chapter and then opening a chapter. I remember I posted about it because I was very scared, especially like black men. It's very common. You have a dad? Oh, you know, and I talked about it. I got so many lovely messages like, I'm gonna call my dad. And I was like, oh wow, I didn't realize it was such a a big thing to talk about. I've gone through a lot in my life, but they're all blessings in a way.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  But I think it's so important to address issues, no matter how hard they are for you at the time. Um, yeah, and now, you know, he's never seen me fence before, which is crazy. And now I'm like, maybe that's, maybe that's a time, you know, who knows? I'm open to it for the first time because back in the day I was like, I'll never talk to you again. But now it's like.

• 41:45Jay Shetty?

  What opened you up to it?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  I think just understanding that everybody has their own issues, whether they're good or bad. I have to understand that as well. You know, there's some things that he's gone on in his life that he hasn't told me or certain things, right? And I think just understanding that the parents are still growing up in front of your eyes, so they don't have all the answers. Was like, oh, okay, Miles. Now I know the dad I will be when I have kids. You know, so I think that was really, really eye opening for me to understand that. You're gonna cry, cry, mate, you know, that's all right. I remember I didn't cry for like sixteen years. So I was like, um, you know, just stone cold this and that. And I was like, that's all right. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's such a stigma. And then now I was like, no, like you all have emotions, that those are okay.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  So I think that was just a massive learning process for me, which helped me in in in my sports. Because now I was like, I couldn't do anything.

• 42:39Jay Shetty?

  That was harder.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  That was way harder.

• 42:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Calling him was way harder than any training session I've ever done in my life. I could have done my Everest, I probably would have picked my Everest over a phone call. I'm not kidding.

• 42:51Jay Shetty?

  I think people underestimate how much a lot of our physical and mental blocks are actually emotional. If we were able to get past and do the emotional thing, then we'd be able to do physical and mental things that we don't even think is possible. But we're all blocking ourselves and limiting ourselves because there's some sort of emotional unlock that we haven't allowed, whether it's forgiveness, resilience, courage, fear, whatever it may be. And that's really powerful to hear, man. Thank you for sharing that.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  It feels good to talk about, you know, because it's like, I almost forgot we're on a podcast. I feel like we're just, you know, we're just having a chat.

• 43:25Jay Shetty?

  We're just chatting, yeah.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  And I think that's the cool thing is like, emotions are your best friend, right? If you're feeling a certain way, you can lead into it. Just don't let that dictate your entire day. So I think that's something that I learned as well. If I'm feeling this way, let it out and then move on. And then it all ties into just understanding who you are at the core. Because I finally know now who Miles is. Because I have to take those, you know, harlot in the mirror, figure out, take the losses with all the wins and now understand that, okay, now I've got a clear path of what I want to do.

• 44:03Jay Shetty?

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• 46:38Jay Shetty?

  How did you develop all these mindsets and principles? Where did you learn them from? Because you're like, I'm like talking to a philosopher. No, but I mean it, and I'm saying in a positive sense. So you've got, it almost feels like you've got these codes that you follow and you programmed your mind to think in a certain way. Where did you pick them up from along the way?

• 46:56Speaker 01

  My mom said the same thing recently. And I don't really know where they've come from. But I just feel like, if you're gonna have to do something, right? Why not try and do it with a smile on your face, right? If I gotta go to training, if I'm angry or not, I have to do it anyway. And I think one of the biggest moments, which I'll talk about right now, which I don't like to talk about, no one really knows, but the first Olympic qualifier, I was on the way to, I believe Vegas, to support Lewis for the race. My sister suffered a stroke, 37 years old.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  That was probably the hardest moment I've ever had to kind of understand. And I forget about the Olympics. All right, I flew to Miami, opened the door, I see my sister with a feeding tube and a breathing tube. Unfortunately, you know, it's it's the times when you have to just lean into it. And that was the first time I became a man. And it's the first time I ever saw my mom cry, sorry, mom. But I just was like, okay, this is happening. How do we find some type of silver lining in this moment?

• 48:13Speaker 01

  And, you know, started in the hospital, writing things down, journaling. All those past situations prepared me for this. I was able to just be an umbrella for the for the family. And I think that was the moment where I was like, okay, wow, I I got this. You know, she's got two beautiful kids, you know, obviously, this is, you know, domestic violence, which is which is one thing which is awful. And I think this is my sister, who, as a brother, she understands what I want to do is, you know, is take care of my sister. And, you know, there are certain things that, you know, she won't tell you all these things because she knows what her brother would want to do. And I was like, okay, Miles, we're gonna figure this out.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  And I was able to make the Olympic team, which probably the first time anybody's gonna know while dealing with this. I would fly from Japan to Miami, spend some time in the hospital. How about with the kids, changing nappies for the first time? You know, just being there for my family and my mom and dad did the most incredible job I've ever seen of just becoming parents again. And I think that's where whoever you believe in i- is testing you because he knows you can handle it. And I realized that I could handle anything. And I was kind of compartmentalizing. This is, you know, going from the hospital ICU to a competition and somehow doing well

• 49:40Speaker 01

  is the biggest accomplishment I could. I don't even know how I did it, to be honest with you. I've got no idea. So making the Olympics was like, that was nothing. So I think that's when you feel helpless, right? And you feel like. I can't do anything because I literally can't do anything. And but just give positive love and energy. And I've figured out a way to, if I can make my my family feel at ease or smile and, you know, that's gonna help through this process. That to me was the first time I became a man, a hundred percent. So now, talking about it and and, you know, showing people what I had to go through, I think you realize why I go so hard because there's nothing that will stop me or can stop me.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Because I I've seen my, you know, my sister on those ICUs, which is the scariest place to be. And as her brother, you know, making her smile and doing those things is why you're putting this on this planet Earth. And I think you got people around you to talk about it. Um, you know, Lewis would fly in and see my sister. You know, that's the most emotional thing I've ever been through, just time and support. Knowing how busy he is and and, you know, spins just being there for me is like beautiful. So I think if I can take that and as like my Dragon Ball Z and, you know, build that up and give it to the world, we can do anything.

• 51:06Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for sharing. How is she now?

• 51:08Speaker 01

  She's getting much better. Yeah, thank you. She's, you know, she's actually in London.

• 51:12Jay Shetty?

  Oh, no way.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  With a nan, she can fly again and.

• 51:15Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  You know, she's obviously recovery, you know, stroke is very extreme, so she still has to learn speech stuff back.

• 51:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  But she can function on her own and she's stronger than me. So. And as, you know, I'm still her little brother, but I became a big brother at that time.

• 51:29Jay Shetty?

  I've seen people I know go through strokes and it's, I mean, yeah, it's one of the most scary things to watch someone you love go through.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  At thirty seven.

• 51:37Jay Shetty?

  At thirty seven, that's, yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Healthy, ran marathons. I can't run a marathon.

• 51:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta, you know, choose your partner, right? And stress is is is a real thing.

• 51:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it puts everything into perspective, those moments.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  It's funny because at that time, the Olympics is is everything for me. When you get there, perspective is mad because it's like, that's actually the the smallest thing you could accomplish in my life because it's obviously different things I wanna do in my life. But it's funny how like at that time, it's, if I don't make it, my life is over. You know, and they make it, you're like. I'm so grateful, but there's so much more to life than just that.

• 52:13Jay Shetty?

  Mars, what are you most proud of in your life? Cause you talked about the hardest times, most difficult times. What are you most proud of so far?

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Never losing miles along this journey. I'm still a twelve year old kid, just six, five covered in tattoos. And changing my sport forever is probably the two things I'm most proud of. Winning is great, but changing a sport is bigger than any Olympic gold medal I could ever win. I got a message recently that this kid used to get bullied in school. Um, a black kid as well from North Carolina. Mom sent me a message. He showed them pictures, pictures of me at school and that changed. Which is crazy to me, right? So like that to me is so cool. If I can just be a beacon of light to these kids, I've done my job. I think that's what I'm most proud of.

• 53:03Jay Shetty?

  You see, I get emotional about it.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I never thought, man, I never in my life thought I would ever have an impact on these kids. Never, cause then, fancy, I never anyone that I wanted to look, look up to or be like. So if I can see these kids, you know, at the league, they come to me and they're like, I love you. I'm like, you know, it's, I love you too, but it's so beautiful to have this love from them. And the parents are like, oh, you're so nice and kind and normal. I'm like, yeah, my, my parents raised me to be this way. I think at the end of the day, we're all human beings and, and as long as you've got a good heart and a good core. I think that that's, that's the most important thing.

• 53:39Jay Shetty?

  Definitely, definitely. And you're, you're surrounded by that too. I mean, like, you know, you mentioned Lewis there as well, like he's so humble. He's so down to earth, like you would never know, you would never know, like, you know, he's the most unassuming guy. And I feel like, who are the other athletes that you admire, that you talk to, that you pick their brain? That you try and understand their process as well and how they live life?

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Well, one was definitely Kobe, you know, like asking him questions like, do you really watch like lions eating prey before? You know, he's like, yeah. And I'm like, oh my god. And just like, that mentality is so rare. You realize why he's, you know, the Mamba mentality. That's one of them for sure. Michael Strahan as well, has been an amazing person of transitional from athlete to post athlete. But yeah, there's not that two men that I've spent too much time with. Were able to like, sit down and really kind of dissect you.

• 54:33Jay Shetty?

  You're all busy. Everyone's got crazy schedules.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:35Jay Shetty?

  Athletes have the craziest schedules.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  You know, I understand your time is here, so there's not, might be the wrong time or whatever, but I would say definitely, obviously, Lewis, Michael, Kobe. Those are the kind of people that are able to, you know, you as well.

• 54:52Jay Shetty?

  I'm not an athlete.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Like you said, you know, if you, I think understanding your thoughts is the hardest part.

• 54:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  But yeah, there's not many I've really had the opportunity to spend time with beyond just, hi, I respect what you do and best of luck.

• 55:05Jay Shetty?

  Mars, what have I not asked you that you wish I did? What have you not shared? What have you not talked about?

• 55:08Speaker 01

  Maybe you've asked great, great questions.

• 55:10Jay Shetty?

  I was just curious, man. I was like, you know, we just had fun last summer and that's all thanks to Lewis too. A big shout out to Lewis for connecting us. But I'm like, we just had a good time and I was like, I want to get to know this guy, you know, because you're obviously operating at a high level. But I didn't realize, and this is what I love about doing this. Like, this is why I love this podcast so much is because I thought the most interesting thing was what you did. And now I'm sitting with you, I'm like, no, what you've been through and what you've lived through and what you've learned is so much more interesting. And, and I think that's the reason why the podcast is called On Purpose, because it's people's purpose and their mission and their values and their belief is so much more fascinating than what we do for work. What we do for work is great, it's cool, but beyond that, there's a whole human that, you know, that lives and exists.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly. And the human is like, what keeps us going, it's the heart rate, it's everything, but at the end of the day, we have these gifts in life and it's like, how are you going to use these in the best way possible, right? So from a little kid from London to having two Nike shoes, never in my life to creating a fencing league. Is this, all you need in life is self-belief. And I have it tattooed right here. That's all you need in life. If you have those, you know, pinnacles and those beliefs, you can do anything. And I think, you know, meeting you as someone who I've been a fan of before, getting to know you. So, oh, he's even more incredible in person because you you're the same on camera and off camera,

• 56:37Speaker 01

  which very few people are like that, especially in the field you you're in. I think that's the key is when people see me, they're like, oh, you're nice and funny. I'm like, yeah, what what do you think I was so?

• 56:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, you guys were a bad influence on me. I played poker for the first time in twenty years because of these guys. I hadn't played for twenty years and the fact that I won that now, I was pretty impressed.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  You smoked us. What do you mean? You destroyed us.

• 57:01Jay Shetty?

  Watching Lewis go down was the best bit there.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he was like, I'm buying in again. I was like, okay, well, send me some money, bro.

• 57:07Jay Shetty?

  I hadn't played for twenty years, but I was like, you know, I want to bond with the guys.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:11Jay Shetty?

  Want to stay out, you know, want to hang out and say, you guys were a bad influence on me for sure.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Now, but you're one of us now, you know, Wolfpack, but it's that's what I'm so grateful for is like connections beyond just, you know, these kind of stuff is level is like, I know that if I was to ever like talk to you about something, you give me an honest answer. I think that's the key is I never want any friends or people around me that it's like, oh, you're doing good. It's like, let me be real with you. I think that's the key is whoever is around you is a fraction of yourself. So like, you know, all the boys, men, they're all just amazing humans that push me to be a better person. I think that's the key to why we're so special in our crew is because we keep each other accountable. We support each other and we generally want each other to win for I think is a very rare thing for people, especially men in general.

• 57:56Jay Shetty?

  I was about to say, that's what's so impressive about it is that it's a group of men who are killing it on their sports. Like doing incredible things, but at the same time have this like brotherhood that you guys have all built with each other. That feels like a massive, massive thing to be proud of, especially when right now men are there's so much loneliness for men across the world.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:15Jay Shetty?

  Especially in the States, the loneliness statistics are so high. And men don't know how to connect with each other. They can't pick up the phone to each other. What would you say to a man who's lonely, doesn't know how to pick up the phone to his friend and tell him how he feels? What would you say?

• 58:28Speaker 01

  This quote was was we're just passing through and a tattooed here where it's whatever moment you're feeling, no, that's not forever. Right? And I think that's something to understand is like this is not going to be forever. But also, people want to know what is really going on with you. And I think it's not, you're not a burden. It's actually a gift to be able to like have your friends. You know, be honest and true to themselves about you. That's actually, I love to hear that. Like, it actually lightens my day. Whether it's a sad thing, it's like, oh, no, he really cares about me because he's coming to me as one of the last, you know, kind of resort. So I would just say you're leaning to however you're feeling, but please just call your friends.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Like, you're never alone. I'm grateful that I've never been in that situation, but if I ever was, I know I could call any of my boys up and they'll get me through it. If you lose a race, lose a competition, I'm gonna call you like, bro, that's how I feel. And then you feel better. Just know that this emotion is not forever. And it's actually beautiful to talk to your friends about it because it actually makes me feel good knowing that you're coming to me. So it's almost like it's therapy for the both of us. So I think yeah, just, just talk and being lonely like it's, I don't want anyone to feel lonely. If I see a little kid at the club or at a competition, I'll just go up to them, hey, man, how are you? You all right?

• 59:51Speaker 01

  It takes two seconds. And that might be like, oh, he said hi to me. That might change everything. Also, I think knowing your, your purpose and your celebrity in a mind to the fencing world, those moments change lives. And I think seeing that is, is, is really, really cool. And I'll be driving sometimes, I'll just scream, I love you. Why not? You know, just like those small little gestures are just nice. And I think, you know, I'm just generally an happy person, but if I can, actually, really, really, I'll leave you with this. Spence messaged me and it was a quote, it was like, I make people feel better when they've left me. And it was the best thing I could, you know, I could ever, and he sent it to me.

• 1:00:32Jay Shetty?

  That is the best thing. That's my favorite type of person.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  You know, like, that feels so nice. It's like, oh, I feel good now.

• 1:00:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  So if I can, if I can be that, please.

• 1:00:41Jay Shetty?

  So Miles, walk us through the gear, cause it's gonna bring back some memories for me, of course.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  I got you. So this is. These are my babies here. So we have two masks.

• 1:00:52Jay Shetty?

  What's the difference in the masks?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Just like.

• 1:00:54Jay Shetty?

  Just the swag?

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, just the swag. Um.

• 1:00:57Jay Shetty?

  And you can see through these?

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, perfectly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is actually a gift from you. Gift to you.

• 1:01:03Jay Shetty?

  Oh, no way?

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  I'm assigning to you, yeah.

• 1:01:04Jay Shetty?

  No, no way?

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, this is one of my Olympic ones I use.

• 1:01:07Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:08Jay Shetty?

  Dude, that's very kind. I'm gonna put that up in the studio. That's it.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  It's literally one I use.

• 1:01:14Jay Shetty?

  You gotta sign this for me? Yeah, that's so cool.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  I use four and I, and so that's one of the ones, yeah.

• 1:01:18Jay Shetty?

  Dude, that means a lot, man. Thank you so much. That's amazing. What an honour. That's so cool. This is sick.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  So this is the foil that I use and all of them are like custom made for your hands, right? So like this is molded specifically for my hand and this is the one that I train with. And then this is the tip now, which you know.

• 1:01:36Jay Shetty?

  We used to have the rubber thing on it.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's like what you would train with them, but this is like what I practice with, like competition wise.

• 1:01:42Jay Shetty?

  Can I hold it?

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:01:44Jay Shetty?

  This is like, so this has been made specifically for your hand?

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you're gonna put your thumb towards the end of it?

• 1:01:50Jay Shetty?

  Here?

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  So right, right towards the guard?

• 1:01:52Jay Shetty?

  Like this?

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Yep, underneath it and then grip it.

• 1:01:54Jay Shetty?

  Like that?

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Jay Shetty?

  Wow. Yeah, that's the grip strength on that is crazy too.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Our forearm has this massive muscle here because it's like all grip strength.

• 1:02:01Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I have like, you know, a bunch of them.

• 1:02:04Jay Shetty?

  Is there a difference in any of them or no? They just, you just have multiple for?

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  I'll like name them and go, this is my baby number one, whatever.

• 1:02:12Jay Shetty?

  But they're all the same weight?

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, all the same way and try and be the same balance if you can, like you can, you know, but the balance.

• 1:02:18Jay Shetty?

  What does the balance tell you like?

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  So like if it's more here, then it means it's more tip heavy and if it goes back more, then it's more guard heavy.

• 1:02:24Jay Shetty?

  So this is guard heavy?

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:02:26Jay Shetty?

  Cause it just keeps tipping that way?

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, cause my.

• 1:02:29Jay Shetty?

  And what difference does that make when you're fighting?

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  For me, it doesn't really matter, but like sometimes if you wanna attack them more, then it's easier if it's more tip heavy.

• 1:02:36Jay Shetty?

  Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  But for the most part, you can kind of just.

• 1:02:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  It's kind of crazy. This is my job.

• 1:02:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I know, I know.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  This one is one that I. One, I forget which World Cup with, but this is um one that you're gonna have as well.

• 1:02:49Jay Shetty?

  Oh, what? No, what, dude? You can't just keep giving me gifts.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  No, those two, I wanna give you something that that I've used.

• 1:02:54Jay Shetty?

  You already gave me this, that's very kind.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  But those two are legitimate gifts for you.

• 1:02:57Jay Shetty?

  Dude, you're kidding. You have to do that. That's too generous.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  I won it and then the tip broke off on someone.

• 1:03:03Jay Shetty?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  So there's a story behind it when you when people tell you.

• 1:03:05Jay Shetty?

  So you left a mark on them as well.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you can literally say like, yeah, I almost, if it was in older days, it might have went through them. But those.

• 1:03:12Jay Shetty?

  That's crazy. That's so kind, man.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  I'm gonna give you.

• 1:03:14Jay Shetty?

  Oh, that's very kind. This is gonna go up in the studio, this is.

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:17Jay Shetty?

  This is such a cool gift.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Cause I bring like three or four with me and then I was like, I'm gonna give Jay a gift.

• 1:03:22Jay Shetty?

  Oh, thank you, man. That's, I am touched. I'm really touched. That's really, that's really humbling.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  It's honestly a pleasure.

• 1:03:27Jay Shetty?

  Thank you, man. That means a lot.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  And now when I'm competing, oh, look, he's got one here.

• 1:03:30Jay Shetty?

  You have to sign this for me, yeah?

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:03:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you gotta sign this for sure. That's dope. Amazing.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  But yeah, this is, this is.

• 1:03:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, it's so cool.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  Crazy, this is my world and.

• 1:03:37Jay Shetty?

  Was it hard to decide whether you fought for America or England?

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, Lewis is telling me every other day, but I'm like, if you can get me ninety, bro, we'll see.

• 1:03:45Jay Shetty?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  But I did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't realize I was gonna be a professional fencer. I did it because we needed, instead of an O two visa, we needed to just stay in the country. And then my little sister was born in New York and that's how we got our citizenship. And then I was like, oh, wow. And then it was too late. Did they try to have me do media training? I was like, to switch my accent?

• 1:04:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  You know, cause they're all from London. And then I was like, I'm not, I'm like, I'm not gonna change it.

• 1:04:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  But, you know, obviously, you know, America's done amazing things for me, so I'm grateful for this country. Um, but obviously, I was born in, you know, St Mary's Hospital, so.

• 1:04:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  I'm still a Londoner.

• 1:04:19Jay Shetty?

  I love that.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  But yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:20Jay Shetty?

  So cool, man. Thank you for these gifts.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  My pleasure, mate.

• 1:04:22Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  I always like to come to someone, give someone something.

• 1:04:25Jay Shetty?

  No, that's very, very thoughtful. That is very thoughtful.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Jay Shetty?

  Miles, this has been amazing. Honestly, I feel like I got to know you on such a deep level. This is the good thing about podcasts too. Even when you think you know someone.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Jay Shetty?

  You sit down and talk to them for like an hour and a half and you're like, oh, wait a minute, I didn't realize. We end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one sentence maximum.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:45Jay Shetty?

  Miles Chamley Watson is your final five. Question number one, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  It's never lost, it's always a lesson.

• 1:04:54Jay Shetty?

  Good advice. Uh, question number two, what's the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  That you should never show emotion.

• 1:05:01Jay Shetty?

  Oh, that's a great answer. I don't think we've ever had that on the show. I like that. Uh, question number three. What makes a good friend?

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Someone who you can call no matter what, who's always there for you and who calls you not wanting anything.

• 1:05:16Jay Shetty?

  That's the best phone call when neither of you need nothing. Yeah.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Two hours of talking about nothing.

• 1:05:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I talked to my best man, who's my best man at my wedding, my best friend for the last 20 years. I talk to him three times a week on the phone. Cause we never catching up. I already know what's going on in his life. There's not, yeah, and there's never asking each other for anything. It's amazing. Question number four. What's something that you used to value that you don't value anymore?

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Something that I used to value is other people's attention. Something that I value now is people's time. You know, one thing I could think of is obviously that my league debut is, and obviously having someone come there to support me, knowing how busy they are, showing up for me, knowing how important your time is. Means so much to me because I know that that time was occupied. So knowing that your time is so important and you chose to spend it with me is bigger than doing anything for me.

• 1:06:13Jay Shetty?

  Fifth and final question, we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  No matter the color of the person's skin, you give them a hug.

• 1:06:26Jay Shetty?

  It's a good one. I like it.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  A hug can cure everything. Can I ask you a question?

• 1:06:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, go on.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  What's the most thing that you're proud of?

• 1:06:32Jay Shetty?

  There's, I'd say two things. One is when I get messages that say, you know, your work stopped me from committing suicide or helped me through my divorce or made me chase my dream or quit my job or whatever it was. And getting to message that person back and say, I didn't do it, you did. Like, I love that because I like reminding people that I don't have the answers. They already know what they want to do. I'm just glad that something, someone I interviewed, someone I sat down with had that impact on them. And the second thing I'd say is that I feel like I'm really grateful that I get to be the postman for this 5,000 year old tradition. So just as you're the face of fencing, for me, I got to study this eastern tradition of the Gita, the Bhagavad

• 1:07:16Jay Shetty?

  Gita, which is a book, which is 5,000 years old. And I'm just today's messenger of it. And I'll be forgotten and that's all good, but the message continues on. And I feel so grateful that I get to be the messenger for an empire that is much bigger than I am and much longer lasting than I am. And how lucky I am that I get to be that person. So yeah, those would be my two. Wow. Don't flip any more questions, Miles.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  No, no, no. That was an amazing answer. My mom sends me a bunch of clips and half of them are from you. It's amazing. But keep doing what you're doing, man. And grateful to call you a friend. But what you do is remarkable.

• 1:07:52Jay Shetty?

  Appreciate it, Miles. Everyone who's been listening and watching, make sure you clip this up, share it on social media. Let me know what resonated. Miles dropped so many gems. I feel like there were so many nuggets of wisdom. He's been dropping more quotes than I did today. So make sure you clip them up. I want to see what resonated with you, what connected with you. And of course, if you're an aspiring fencer, aspiring athlete, aspiring anything, I think there's so many great mindset pieces in this episode that will help you get to where you want to be. A big thank you to Miles again for coming through. Excited to keep supporting you, keep building our friendship and let this be the first of many. So.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Thank you. It's an honour. I'll see you soon.

• 1:08:27Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. Absolutely, man. If you love this episode, you'll love my conversation with four time Grand Slam champion, Irina Sabalenka, where she reflects on her latest victory and the mental battles that almost broke her along the way.

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  For me, success is the discipline that you put in. Be there every morning, every practice, doesn't matter how you feel, doesn't matter if you want it.

• 1:08:50Speaker 04

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• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  Mr. President, my company informed me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all keep the blame on me.

• 1:09:28Speaker 06

  Tom Cruise is. Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us out. From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 1:09:36Speaker 05

  What would happen if I stopped going? You stall, you freeze to death, that's what.

• 1:09:40Speaker 06

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 1:09:43Speaker 05

  I'm not the first then.

• 1:09:44Speaker 06

  Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17.9. Without parent.

• 1:09:49Speaker 07

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 1:09:51Speaker 05

  King's Hawaiian Cinnamon Swirl Bite?

• 1:09:52Speaker 07

  Uh, Taylor Hanson? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 1:10:00Speaker 07

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• 1:10:04Speaker 05

  Taylor Hanson? Nice. Try one. Mmm.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  King's Hawaiian Cinnamon Bites. There's nothing like it.