HILARY DUFF: The Human Behind the Headlines (Her Most Honest Chapter Yet)

Today, Jay sits down with cultural icon Hilary Duff for a raw and honest conversation about growth, identity, and the quiet courage it takes to evolve in public. Having grown up alongside an entire generation, Hilary reflects on what it means to return to music after more than a decade with her sixth studio album, Luck or Something. She opens up about shedding politeness in favor of truth, embracing maturity without losing the joy of her past, and finally feeling rooted in who she is, not just as an artist, but as a woman, a mother, a partner, and a daughter. Jay and Hilary explore the hidden weight of fame, the loss of anonymity at a young age, and the resilience required to stay grounded in an industry that constantly defines you before you can define yourself. Hilary speaks vulnerably about navigating eating disorders, divorce, co-parenting, estrangement with family, and the reality of loving people through complicated relationships. Through it all, she shares how motherhood reshaped her priorities, how love taught her to accept stability over chaos, and how creativity became a necessary way of reconnecting with herself. Hilary’s reflections reveal a powerful truth: what the world often calls luck is usually years of quiet strength, hard choices, and inner work. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Trust Your Intuition Over “Luck” How to Grow Without Rejecting Your Past How to Accept Healthy Love (Even When It Feels Unfamiliar) How to Break Family Patterns Without Losing Compassion How to Balance Motherhood and Personal Ambition How to Hold Joy and Pain at the Same Time How to Reinvent Yourself Without Losing Who You Are You are allowed to choose steadiness over chaos, truth over politeness, and peace over performance. Growth isn’t always loud, sometimes it’s simply deciding you don’t want to repeat the same pattern again. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe here. Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:04 The Joy of Being Celebrated 02:46 Choosing Truth Over Politeness 05:15 What’s a Childhood Memory That Keeps You Grounded? 06:56 The Truth About Growing Up in the Public Eye 11:38 Learning to Feel at Home in Your Own Skin 14:22 Where Real Confidence Comes From 19:08 Opening Your Heart to Love Again 21:28 Understanding the Weight of Marriage 25:03 Deciding to Fully Commit 26:24 Trusting Your Intuition 27:28 Owning the Work Behind Your Success 30:36 The Burden of Being the Family Peacemaker 36:18 Navigating Divorce with Intention 38:26 Sharing Your Story on Your Terms 43:50 Holding Joy and Hardship at the Same Time 46:44 Healing and Connecting Through Music 51:49 The Hilary Duff Renaissance 54:50 Staying Attuned to Your Children’s Needs 01:00:59 Building Confidence as a Parent 01:02:26 How Did You Name Your Kids? 01:04:27 Disney-Era “Would You Rather” 01:08:42 Hilary on Final Five Episode Resources: Website | https://www.hilaryduff.com/ YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSRmCrFvCPomTqjzwoF9MGw Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/HilaryDuff/ Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/hilaryduff/ TikTok | https://x.com/hilaryduff X | https://x.com/hilaryduff See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:32Hilary Duff?

  Everybody has their reasons and relationships are difficult, especially with your family.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Especially.

• 1:38Hilary Duff?

  As painful as it feels to share, when I decided to make this record, I could only talk about the things that I've gone through.

• 1:49Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Today's guest is someone that we have been excited for such a long time. The energy in the studio has been electric for her arrival. And I'm not being hyperbolic or overhyping it. I really, really mean it. I'm speaking today to the one and only Hilary. Actress, singer, author and entrepreneur, whose career has grown up alongside an entire generation that I seem to have in my office. First known to many as Lizzie McGuire, she's continued to evolve as an artist and storyteller, balancing creativity, family and reinvention. Hilary is now entering a new chapter with her sixth studio album,

• 2:31Jay Shetty?

  Luck or Something, her first full-length release in over a decade, out February 20th, 2026. And you can see her on her Lucky Me Tour World Tour, kicking off this June. Do not miss out, we'll put the link to the tickets in the bio. Thank you so much, Hilary Duff, welcome to On Purpose.

• 2:49Hilary Duff?

  I'm so excited to be here, thank you.

• 2:52Jay Shetty?

  We are very excited, I cannot tell you, I want to tell you because it's so important. I woke up this morning and everyone was like, you know, this is our Super Bowl, right? And I was like, what? Like, I was trying to figure out what in the day and they're like,

• 3:02Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 3:03Jay Shetty?

  Hilary Duff is coming to, like, that was the reaction, like, people were like, this is our Super Bowl, forget this weekend, no one cares.

• 3:09Hilary Duff?

  That's so sweet.

• 3:10Jay Shetty?

  The excitement in the house and everyone, everyone wants pictures. Everyone has asked my permission, I was like, I will ask Hilary. I usually don't allow, you know, it's just, but the energy around the excitement that you bring to people.

• 3:20Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Jay Shetty?

  I mean, how does that feel? Because you've done it for so long, but you still bring this like, really electric energy to everyone who's a fan of yours and has been for so long.

• 3:28Hilary Duff?

  I swear to God, I'm not trying to do an album plug right now, but I just feel lucky. I feel like whatever reason my purpose is to be here is like to connect with people and I've had the joy of being able to do it for 20 plus years. And some of that's felt high and some of that's felt low, but I genuinely feel like people are excited to like meet me and say hi and like have a quick moment. And it just feels like, it feels normal, like it feels really like genuine always. And, and I'm always met with that. And it's a really, you know, I'm not saying it's not a big responsibility sometimes, but you know, being, being met with like excitement and, and someone being like, you've meant so much to me.

• 4:13Hilary Duff?

  It's, it's a lovely feeling.

• 4:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, it's definitely there. I've got, people have got stories of coming to your tours at 13 years old and saying ridiculous things to you, like in my team, and, and meeting you for a few moments and just having the best experiences. But I was thinking, yeah, you've. You've meant this for twenty five years. You've had, you've been so many things to so many people through the characters you've played, the music, of course, now your new album. What's the version of Hilary Duff that you want people to meet now at this point in your life?

• 4:40Hilary Duff?

  Part of the reason this, you know, return to music is feeling so good to me is just that it's like feels completely like rooted in my truth and who I am and what I live with. And, you know, introducing people to my past ten years and knowing that we are going to connect on many levels of experiences and feelings and disappointments and celebrations and like everything in between. So that that's kind of what I want them to know about me now and who I want them to to meet. Like, they have known me my whole life. I have, you know, played a character that never grew up on TV. You know, she stayed that same age. And not that I feel that that's like the public consensus around me anymore.

• 5:25Hilary Duff?

  I think people are pretty familiarized with me and who I am, but I care a lot less. And I feel like truth is more important than like politeness and all of all of that. So that's what the record feels like to me. And that's kind of just how I feel comfortable moving through the world, you know? I don't know if that's just with age or being a mom of four or being in a settled relationship or being in the industry for as long as I have with many ups and downs.

• 5:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's, I feel like people are getting to meet a mature, real version of you and one that is very accepting and embracing of this amazing journey you have had, which is so beautiful. I think as humans, we tend to have this perspective of like, well, now I am who I am. And I've like given up everything and I feel like you have this beautiful way of being like, I love those experiences and they mean so much to me. And now everyone gets to come on the journey with me.

• 6:23Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 6:24Jay Shetty?

  At least what I'm hearing.

• 6:25Hilary Duff?

  I think that's true. I think that's absolutely true. And I get to like, keep the pieces that still work for me. And, you know, obviously continue to grow, but I like move with like a confidence and like a knowing that just occurred, you know? Also, also compiled with like a messy insecurity and all of those things are just like what makes up the feeling accepting of all the, the things that come our way and that like we discovered on, on our path, you know?

• 6:56Jay Shetty?

  I'm always fascinated by, especially for people who've been in the public eye for so long, like the experiences that they had that we were less aware of. And I wanted to ask you, what's a childhood experience you have that you feel defines who you are today?

• 7:08Hilary Duff?

  This is so random, but like, just like a huge standout memory for me in my childhood is like catching tadpoles in Tic Tac boxes in New Braunfels in Texas. And it was something that we did after school, like almost every day. It's a huge part of me feeling like I have my feet on the ground constantly, even in this, you know, kind of out of body experience of a career that I've had and like navigated through. I think like being from Texas and being so normal and kind of grubby and dirty, like is a part of my personality that has helped me just

• 7:47Hilary Duff?

  be that and not be kind of what can happen, you know, with 25 years in the industry.

• 7:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, that's almost what's helped you stay grounded.

• 7:55Hilary Duff?

  I think some of those like early childhood memories of having like a lot of like freedom and I really never thought that I'd raise my kids in LA and were having a great time. But, you know, I grew up very different than this and I'm happy to have those roots.

• 8:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. I'm going to come to you for all the tips. I have some.

• 8:13Hilary Duff?

  I'm still figuring it out, but I do know a lot.

• 8:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I, I will say that I have some of my favorite people who grew up here, like I have a people, a couple of people on my team who, obviously I'm born and raised in London and I only moved to LA eight years ago. But I have a couple of members of my team that were like born and raised in LA and like went to all the school and they're just like phenomenal human beings.

• 8:30Hilary Duff?

  People, yeah.

• 8:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, just like the sweetest, salt of the earth humans and it's, it, it's such a wonderful thing to kind of redefine what it means.

• 8:38Hilary Duff?

  To be like an LA person.

• 8:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, or like, like you said, if somebody's been in the industry for twenty five years.

• 8:43Hilary Duff?

  Right.

• 8:44Jay Shetty?

  Have you, did you ever think about that along the way, like on the journey of like, what am I holding on to and what am I losing or what am I keeping? Did you have to think about those things?

• 8:53Hilary Duff?

  You lose anonymity.

• 8:54Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 8:55Hilary Duff?

  You know, like I've completely lost that. I've lived, you know, pretty much in the public eye since I was ten and probably around fifteen was when I feel like the world started getting very like interested in what I was wearing, who I was dating, what I was eating, where I was, like, that was an interesting kind of thing to navigate where I feel like I lost some serious innocence, you know, where you're just like, oh, my god. And then you get a lot of people constantly talking about your life and seeing it on the cover of magazines and all of that stuff. Like, that was a really strange period to also be like forming as a person privately.

• 9:36Hilary Duff?

  And some of those like lines get blurred where you're like, I'm, I am this, but I am this. And I, you know, I think I've lost a lot and I think I've gained a lot. Like, I wouldn't change it. But I've become very tough. Like, it's, it's not a, it's not a easy, it's not an easy industry.

• 9:56Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 9:57Hilary Duff?

  And I think it's not very easy for other people to deal with you in this industry.

• 10:01Jay Shetty?

  What do you mean by that part?

• 10:02Hilary Duff?

  I think it looks very like shiny and for other people to cope with how it looks is a tricky thing to navigate.

• 10:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Was there a time when everything felt like it was a dream from the outside, like you're saying shiny? But for you, you were having to really grapple with some stuff behind the scenes?

• 10:23Hilary Duff?

  Through all of it, you know?

• 10:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 10:25Hilary Duff?

  Navigating people is like tricky and that's not, it wasn't like all negative. I think I had like a great time being a child actor. I had a great time like turning into a pop star, like, but it is not easy behind the scenes. And there's so much that goes on and, and ways that you feel out of control. And, and now, you know, I have my own life and my family and my family that I've created and. Uh, it's really nice to have that pillar.

• 10:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 10:56Hilary Duff?

  Because all the other stuff, now this is like fun. This, I mean, no, it is hard work. And to be honest, my friend, one of my, my friends is, is Meghan Trainor and she, she texts me the other day and she's like, I just want you to know, you have made this look seamless. And I'm so impressed, but I know that it's hard as hell. I honestly was like, thank you so much for saying that. I've had the stomach flu. I like flew all my kids out because I missed my family so much, but like they all have like coughs and stuffy noses and I have to like sing on stage at night and we got trapped because of weather and then all my gear and my crew and my, like, it's just all so crazy. But I think that this time around, I get to pick how much crazy I can tolerate.

• 11:39Jay Shetty?

  It's probably more comforting to hear that someone sees the hardship than you make it look easy.

• 11:44Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 11:45Jay Shetty?

  It's almost like hearing make it look easy. You're like, oh, but you know, on the inside, it's, it's never that. And it's almost like the easier it looks, the harder it must be. You were reminding me of, I, I listened to this TED Talk years ago and it was this model, I forget her last name, but her name's Cameron something. And the TED Talk is called Looks on Everything. Trust Me, I'm a Model. And it's this really.

• 12:06Hilary Duff?

  Oh, wow. What a great title.

• 12:08Jay Shetty?

  Fascinating. And she's, she's a brilliant speaker and she really, she talks about kind of what you were just saying, like, so she shows images of what modeling she was doing and then she tells us what age she was and shows us a real picture of that time. And obviously models are different because like with you, people are seeing all of your life. In one sense with a model, you're only seeing the picture of them on a campaign. And at that time, we weren't really following models on social media or wherever else. And so she shows like, this is a picture of me at 14, like smiling with her parents. And then this is a picture of me at 14 modeling and she's like romantically posing with this guy and, and, and she's talking about how much of a disconnect there was between her real life and, and the life that as a, as a model she was portraying.

• 12:50Hilary Duff?

  Right. Also, when you're a model, you don't get to be like. I'm not really comfortable wearing that. I don't really want to do that pose. You're a model, right? So they're like, no, we're hiring you to. This is what we wanted. And then, right? It's a little different to be like an actor who's posing in a photo shoot.

• 13:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. That, yeah, that direction of just not having agency, not having choice. Especially at that age. And I was thinking about for you, you've talked very openly about the eating disorders you had and just like what that looked like and how, you know, at the time, so many people were pit against each other and the culture was different. Hopefully it's different. You can tell me if it is, but that's what it felt like at the time. What was it like for you to get comfortable, being comfortable in your own skin? Like, like, what did that take? Like today, you're saying like, you know, it's not easy. It's still hard work, but I'm kind of in control. I'm in charge, like I feel better, but.

• 13:39Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 13:39Jay Shetty?

  Talk to me about some of the stops on that journey and what that looks like for so many people who may not grow up in the public eye, but also deal with the same challenges.

• 13:48Hilary Duff?

  I feel like I've actually always had quite a bit of like self-confidence and a good, this is such a lame term, but like a good head on my shoulders.

• 13:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 13:58Hilary Duff?

  But I have, I, you know, I, in my friend groups, when I was a teenager, I was like pretty confident, but like also mixed with the insecurities of like your teenhood and your, your twenties or your early twenties. Like, of course those normal things came up. And then on top of it, I was dealing with like, yes, people commenting on my body at a young age and starting to get photographed. And people like asking you how many times you weigh yourself or comparing you to people that were thinner than you or other girls, you know, in your like line of work. And I definitely struggled for a little while there, just trying to

• 14:39Hilary Duff?

  fit a certain mold and have control over something in my life. Thankfully that was like pretty short-lived, but definitely toyed with it during a time of like, I'm on tour, I'm filming a movie, I'm, you know, like a lot of moving parts to my life and just trying to.

• 15:01Hilary Duff?

  Also like form as a as a person. Honestly, I think it took just time. And bigger things happening in my life that like having children that took the spot of the other things that didn't mean as much to worry about. And luckily, those things felt easy to me to replace. I think having success at such a young age makes making like work choices a little harder because there's like a pressure of a level of success. And I think once I did have kids and you know, my phone wasn't ringing as much and I wasn't able to show up to work as much and say yes as often.

• 15:42Hilary Duff?

  I ended up just saying no a whole bunch and not being worried about like sitting still. And a lot of great things came from that decision. And a lot of confidence came from that decision. A lot of my steadiness has come from being in such a great, stable relationship. That's helped me a whole bunch get through some pretty heavy themes in my life.

• 16:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm excited to hear about that more, especially after what you told me earlier.

• 16:11Jay Shetty?

  Where did that early confidence come from, that good head on your shoulders? And I and I love that. And I think so many, and the reason I ask is there are so many young people who listen to our show or young parents with young kids who want their kids to have that good head on their shoulders and have that confidence. Where did that come from for you and how were you able to hold on to it?

• 16:32Hilary Duff?

  I think a part of it is who you are. Um, and then I think a whole bunch of it is your influence around you, you know? And I I had a mom who was very supportive of a dream, you know? And she made me take it seriously because it was a big change for our life to like leave Texas and come to LA. But she also didn't.

• 17:03Hilary Duff?

  Our like livelihood wasn't weighted on whether or not I booked a job or not. You know, and I think that I found confidence in work and working, you know? But I think it was.

• 17:18Hilary Duff?

  A little more weighted, but like when I see my son play a really good soccer game,

• 17:25Hilary Duff?

  I see his confidence building. And when I see, you know, he is the captain of his football team at his school, uh, sorry, soccer team at his school.

• 17:34Jay Shetty?

  No, it's football, you can say that here.

• 17:37Hilary Duff?

  You're like, you had to write the first.

• 17:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, so yeah, we don't need to edit it. Sorry. I had to, I'm sorry.

• 17:41Hilary Duff?

  He, I see his confidence build when I, you know. So I, I think it was just that, like mine happened to be acting. But those things were confidence builders. At times they were confidence strippers. I had a lovely support system. And I also got to be a kid, like that wasn't all taken away. I had like normal friends. And I felt the highs and lows of friendship and being confident, not confident and dating and all of that stuff. I don't know. I think some, some of it you're born with and some of it is like what is, what you're surrounded by and what you, what's modeled for you.

• 18:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, we, we were talking about this a bit earlier off camera, but I was saying that, like, I feel like a lot of confidence I get, when I was a kid, came from the fact that I always knew my mom would catch me if I was to fall. So it didn't come from feeling like I would never fall because I had challenges and got bullied or different things would happen anyway, right? As it does in any kid's life.

• 18:39Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 18:40Jay Shetty?

  But I always knew my mom would catch me. And that was like such, and even as a grown man today, I'm like, I don't know if I called my mom, she would still catch me today, like after all those years and that. It does build such a sense of confidence. And then I think the other side of what you're saying, which I appreciate, which I think we're finally realizing is that confidence does come from competence. It comes from doing hard things and putting yourself out there and taking action. And for you as acting, for your son, it's playing soccer and those steps and seeing yourself go out there and play a game. There's confidence that comes from building a skill or building competence that doesn't come from just sitting there and thinking about it or, you know, hoping that you naturally feel that way because people may not be born that way.

• 19:22Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 19:22Jay Shetty?

  And so both of those ideas resonate.

• 19:24Hilary Duff?

  Matt and I talk about this with the kids all the time and it could be as simple as like them going and making their own water instead of just being like, I'm thirsty. And we're like, oh, let me do it for you. You know, like sometimes we do, of course, we, we like our kids to, we like to take care of our kids, but you know, we have the conversation a lot. That's like the more they. They do the more they can do and the more you can do, the better you feel about yourself, you know, so um just being trying to hold them accountable to be competent for their level.

• 19:56Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 19:56Hilary Duff?

  Is something that I feel like helps form your confidence.

• 20:00Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 20:01Hilary Duff?

  And like will make us feel okay about sending them off into the world at some point.

• 20:05Jay Shetty?

  I remember, I'm not recommending this and I'm not condoning this at all. I just remember I had friends who were parents. And and they had this particular methodology that they were training their kids with, but we were sitting on one side of a table and hanging out and their child was like playing with a candle on the other side. And and my natural instinct, I don't have kids, and my natural instinct was to go take the kid away from the candle because obviously there's fire and the natural instinct. And they were like, no, no, no, just leave it like they're they're just playing and figuring out. And I was like, wow, like, that's really bold.

• 20:34Hilary Duff?

  Like, hope she's wearing a ponytail.

• 20:36Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. I was like, wow, like, you know, and her hair was very short that she did it. She hadn't grown her hair out, but she was like two years old or something.

• 20:43Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 20:43Jay Shetty?

  Or maybe three. And I was just like, yeah, it's not, again, not recommending, not condoning, not not saying that's a good thing. I'm just saying that there is something to be said for being competent at your age and your level of experience and and providing that to your children. It feels like you're what you've been saying about your relationship right now. You've said it a few times, like it's built such a foundation for you to go through so much. What is it that creates a foundation of strength and peace in a relationship for you from your experience?

• 21:13Hilary Duff?

  Could talk about this for hours.

• 21:15Jay Shetty?

  That's a good thing, right?

• 21:16Hilary Duff?

  I think it is time and just

• 21:24Hilary Duff?

  getting to the place where you can be in the trenches with someone and they can know everything and accept everything and help you move through things in the best way. I mean, for me, I think Matt and I is I always loved hanging out with him. I loved he made me laugh like crazy. Like he was such a he just kept showing up for me over and over again. And I think coming out of you know, being divorced and being a young mom and having a lot of stuff happen in my family life. I think I was just like not ready for. Super health yet?

• 22:05Hilary Duff?

  And someone who was like totally nice to me and wanted to like have like a healthy relationship and and just like keep showing up, I guess. And so it took us a little while to, it took me a little while to just like, I think, accept something good. And it wasn't until we had Banks, which is our seven year old, that I feel like I really like could settle in to the relationship when I realized like the kind of parents we were and how we were doing as parents together. I really remember like just feeling like my shoulders could be like, and it was really like, really a nice weight off. And then like our relationship from there continued to just be

• 22:49Hilary Duff?

  like emotional shelter, you know, instead of

• 22:54Hilary Duff?

  dramatic, like craving those younger dramatic highs and lows and just feeling better in the like steady, which also comes with challenges and I talk about those challenges a lot on luck or something. It's nice to be where we are right now and know that some of those highs and lows feel like a snapshot of a timeframe instead of a continual struggle, you know?

• 23:17Jay Shetty?

  I love what you said about that feeling that I think we all go through when you find your person. I've been with my wife for thirteen years now, married for ten.

• 23:24Hilary Duff?

  Congrats.

• 23:25Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. And yeah, it's our tenth wedding anniversary this year and so it's really exciting to celebrate. But like, when I think about it that way, it's like, I love what you said about this point that when you first meet someone who actually loves you and is kind to you and

• 23:39Hilary Duff?

  It's really hard to accept.

• 23:40Jay Shetty?

  It's really hard to accept, both based on how others have treated us and how we've treated ourselves. I feel like it's a mix of both of those experiences.

• 23:47Hilary Duff?

  I agree with that.

• 23:48Jay Shetty?

  Right? Like it's, it's almost like you're wrestling with it. I don't know, is that how I've felt before in the past? Is that how you describe it? How would you describe it?

• 23:55Hilary Duff?

  Yeah, and you wanna like poke holes in it to make sure it's like steady enough. You know?

• 24:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Hilary Duff?

  That's what I felt like I was doing. I think it added an extra pressure that I had a child already. And like, I didn't wanna expose him to something that wasn't like for sure going to stick and work out for me. Yeah, I mean, I'm just feel so settled in a good way, like so happy that I I'm like, God, your intuition works and it's good. Because it is really, it is to commit your life to someone is a very big choice.

• 24:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's only after you do it and you spend a few years together, you realize how big it is.

• 24:36Hilary Duff?

  Right.

• 24:36Jay Shetty?

  Like, I was like, when I made that commitment, I actually don't think I had a clue what that commitment meant.

• 24:40Hilary Duff?

  Right.

• 24:41Jay Shetty?

  And then years later, you're like, oh, okay. Now I'm actually living that commitment.

• 24:45Hilary Duff?

  Yes.

• 24:46Jay Shetty?

  When I made it that day on my wedding day, it was kind of just like it was, it felt naturally, it felt real, but

• 24:51Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Jay Shetty?

  I almost hadn't really experienced what it meant to say that, if that makes any sense.

• 24:56Hilary Duff?

  How old were you when you got married?

• 24:58Jay Shetty?

  We were, I was twenty eight and my wife was twenty five. And so

• 25:02Hilary Duff?

  So pretty young.

• 25:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty.

• 25:04Hilary Duff?

  I wonder if it's like that by design?

• 25:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. What do you mean? Like?

• 25:08Hilary Duff?

  Cause marriage is like so hard and it's such a big choice that I wonder if you do it like at a slightly younger stage of your life or else you wouldn't do it. Cause it's such like a crazy

• 25:17Jay Shetty?

  That's a good point.

• 25:18Hilary Duff?

  It's such a crazy thing to, to commit.

• 25:20Jay Shetty?

  It is, it is. Yeah. Me and my wife had talked about that before. I, I feel like it was older compared to people we knew back in London.

• 25:26Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 25:27Jay Shetty?

  We got married late.

• 25:28Hilary Duff?

  Oh, you did?

• 25:28Jay Shetty?

  Compared to a lot of our friends who got married very early.

• 25:31Hilary Duff?

  Then you guys moved to LA and you're like, oh, no one's married here?

• 25:33Jay Shetty?

  Then we moved here, we're like, oh, wait, there's no rules. This is great. Like, you know, we got friends like marrying at forty, having kids at forty, like no one cares. And, and it was nice. It was refreshing, actually, from coming from a culture where people were getting married at twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, twenty five and

• 25:47Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 25:47Jay Shetty?

  being able to have that, have that space and uh, but we've talked about that many times where we're like, oh my gosh, we've grown so much. And my wife especially, she feels like she's been so many different versions of herself in the last thirteen years that

• 25:59Hilary Duff?

  It's amazing and speaks volumes of your relationship that she could be so many versions of herself in a marriage. Do you know what I mean? Like take on You said lots of different versions of herself. It's very hard to like grow, I think.

• 26:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 26:12Hilary Duff?

  A lot of the growth that I did outside of motherhood happened before I was in a relationship or in between being in a relationship, which is like kind of just being alone with yourself.

• 26:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, right. So basically you're saying that I must be amazing.

• 26:26Hilary Duff?

  Amazing.

• 26:27Jay Shetty?

  I'm so patient.

• 26:28Hilary Duff?

  That's correct.

• 26:29Jay Shetty?

  So flexible and like.

• 26:30Hilary Duff?

  I didn't want to like pump the ego too much.

• 26:32Jay Shetty?

  Thank you.

• 26:33Hilary Duff?

  But that was, that was what I was getting at.

• 26:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, my wife's just so lucky that I've been like so patient. It's been the other way around on many, many occasions. But marriage is so hard.

• 26:49Jay Shetty?

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• 29:07Jay Shetty?

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• 29:24Jay Shetty?

  It is so hard to grow with someone. It is so hard to continue to grow. It's so hard to grow at a different pace. It's so hard to grow at opposite paces. Sometimes it feels like. And what would you say the biggest lessons you took away from your first marriage? That really have helped you in that healing transition?

• 29:41Hilary Duff?

  I don't love to talk about this too much. Because, you know, I felt like in that time of my life, I was so ready to get married. I was in something that I really adored. I was ready to have a baby. I was ready to have something of my own, you know, that I could just like focus on and it be mine. And like, my life felt out of my hands a little bit at that moment. And I just wanted to like shrink it. I've been pretty open about, you know, being a divorced person and what that's like. And being a single mom and being, you know, kind of like choosing to like end a family is a huge horrible choice to make.

• 30:24Hilary Duff?

  But I also co-parent that with with that person and we do a great job mostly. Sometimes there's bumps and frustrations, but again ebbs and flows, right? But like, we adore this person that we created and we do a great job. This is like before, you know, conscious uncoupling was like a coined a term. And we really tried to do that. I really tried to do that. Like you just grow.

• 30:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 30:52Hilary Duff?

  And I think I did.

• 30:53Jay Shetty?

  You you strike me as someone who like follows your intuition. You even said it earlier when you were talking about your current relationship. You're like, I'm so glad my intuition was right.

• 31:01Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 31:02Jay Shetty?

  And then I was like, and the album's called Luck or Something. And so I wanted to ask you, what's what's the relationship between intuition and luck? And has your career and journey and even this inspiration behind this album? How much of it has been luck and how much of it's been intuition?

• 31:16Hilary Duff?

  I think a lot of it has been intuition and I think that's falls under the category of the or something part of it where I'm like, actually, I deserve some credit here. I feel incredibly lucky. I don't know why me, but I do know that I've also worked really hard and I know that I've had to go through a lot. The title is pretty loaded and can mean a whole and does mean a whole bunch of different things to me. Like what I just said, but also it's a coy way of like responding to a question I'm constantly asked, which is like, how are you so normal? How did you get through this? And I'm like, luck or something.

• 31:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, got it.

• 31:55Hilary Duff?

  But I think the the or something is the real weighted portion.

• 31:59Jay Shetty?

  It's good when you think you're lucky and everyone else realizes it was hard work. It's kind of what I think is like the accurate assessment. Anyone that I know that I believe has achieved something amazing. And when I say achieved something amazing, I think it's it could be being grounded in a difficult industry. It could be something athletically successful, like whatever you define as greatness or success or winning. It's the problem becomes when everyone else views it as lucky and, you know, you view it as hard work. And it's like beautiful when, like you said, I see myself as lucky. Like I I don't know why me like that's beautiful. And then if if we can, but it's always the other way around. It's almost like, yeah, people like to think, I got asked that the other day. I was asked, someone was asking me in an interview, like, why do you think people listen to you? And why do they connect with you?

• 32:42Jay Shetty?

  And I was like, to be honest, I always struggle with that question because I feel really grateful and fortunate that anyone even cares to listen to me. I remember speaking of rooms of like three people. And so I feel completely humbled by where it's gone. And then I was like, at the same time, like, I think it's because I've been doing this for a long time. I've done it for longer offline than I have online.

• 33:02Hilary Duff?

  Yeah, like honestly, when I zoom out and like, it would be hard for you to answer this way. But I'm like, probably because you're smart. You know what I mean? Probably because you're smart. Probably because I think that you have a gift. And you can connect with people. I feel like I have a similar gift like that. Like some, for some reason, I resonate with people in a certain way. And, but like, you have to take credit for what you build.

• 33:28Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 33:28Hilary Duff?

  And you also can feel lucky. And you also can feel immense gratitude. And, you know, how did I get here? Um, feelings, but like, you're also smart. And you're good at what you do.

• 33:42Jay Shetty?

  That's very sweet. I appreciate that. I, I appreciate coming from you, but I, I like what you're saying about the idea of all these, these things can coexist.

• 33:49Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 33:49Jay Shetty?

  And that's why I like the luck or something. Hmm. I think you're so right. Like, we're allowed to feel all of these emotions. Like, there's pride, there's gratitude, there's luck, there's intuition, there's, there's, and confusion even still.

• 34:00Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 34:00Jay Shetty?

  And, and all the-

• 34:01Hilary Duff?

  Insecurities.

• 34:02Jay Shetty?

  Insecurities and, and everything. And it's almost like when we're forced to be like, well, tell me the one thing that changed your life. And you're like, oh, luck or something.

• 34:08Hilary Duff?

  I can't, yeah, yeah.

• 34:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's like luck or something is the new, new answer now. That's what I'm gonna use every time I ask-

• 34:14Hilary Duff?

  You can have it.

• 34:14Jay Shetty?

  I'm gonna, yeah, if I, I'm gonna use it now. I'm gonna encourage lots of people to use it because, yeah. And, and I, honestly, I, I, we've only met briefly, but like, the, the impact you've had on people proves that there's so much hard work, so much talent, such a gift, like so much, you know, because you, you can't have that. People grow up watching a lot of people. It doesn't mean that you carry that same impact. So, same back at you. And, uh, it's, um, yeah, it's, it's something that's very visceral in, in anyone that's followed you for a long time. I wanted to jump into your album because I've been getting to listen to it, which I've really enjoyed, which has been so wonderful for me. And I'm, I'm very deep into, because I love words and I love spoken word, I love poetry, I love,

• 34:54Jay Shetty?

  I, I took out some lyrics that really I felt were beautiful and powerful. So, I may read your own lyrics back to you.

• 35:02Hilary Duff?

  Sure.

• 35:03Jay Shetty?

  I can't sing them back to you because I can't sing to save my life, but, but I may read them back to you. But, um, I wanted to ask you about this one. So you say, in your song, Weather for Tennis, you write, or you sing, "I'm a seasoned apologist for the people who I love. I'm an amateur psychologist, the key to everyone's handcuffs. Keep the peace, because I'm a kid of divorce, and you're the starter of wars, and there's no winning in yours."

• 35:26Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 35:27Jay Shetty?

  Where does that show up in your life today? Like, where, where did that come from and where does it show up?

• 35:31Hilary Duff?

  I think it's talking about being the person who smooths over and makes everything right and extends themselves and continues to show up and try to make things easy for everyone. And you're talking about being in a relationship that is going to keep playing a game. And, you know, towards the end of the song, you finally realize like, I'm going to put an end to this. The message behind it is a feeling that a lot of people can relate to of just, it's exhausting to, to keep up always being the one to make things

• 36:10Hilary Duff?

  right, or to carry the burden, or to make the call, or to stay the bigger person. And keeping the peace because you're a kid of divorce is obviously very relatable. People don't need too much explaining on that one. I think it's definitely a role that I play in, in my life. And Matt had this amazing idea for the song. We, we started playing tennis together. And I think that it was definitely inspired by just like the game of tennis and kind of applying it to a relationship, a romantic relationship that's probably not going to work out.

• 36:44Jay Shetty?

  Expand on that further with a tennis analogy for me?

• 36:47Hilary Duff?

  The chorus is, if it ain't the weather for tennis, then I guess we can argue until dinnertime. So it's just kind of about a game being played and a cycle that is constantly like repeating.

• 36:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 37:00Hilary Duff?

  Right before we started writing the record together, maybe a year before, I was like, if we're going to last the long haul, we need sport, we need to like, learn how to play a sport together. And so we picked up tennis. And I also forced him to learn how to ski, which is like one of his favorite things to do now. And we love to ski. But I think that, I think the chorus was inspired. For him because we had started playing the game of tennis.

• 37:27Jay Shetty?

  I think you're spot on. I think so many kids can feel like they were the peacemaker in their family. I know plenty of people who've gone to therapy or talked about that with me and this idea of just they were the one trying to like calm everyone down. And people have different versions of this, right? Like you meet comedians who did it through making everyone laugh and then that that becomes their journey. And that's a very on the nose example, but all of us have played some sort of role of being mediators. I often feel is that I do what I do today because I mediated my parents' marriage growing up. So I was the kid who was like at 10 years old, like listening to both sides and helping them connect and trying to find the the points at which they could relate to each other. And and I don't regret doing that. I'm actually very happy I did that. It gave me great skills for life.

• 38:12Hilary Duff?

  My parents divorced when I was around 18 and I feel like that was a really hard time.

• 38:22Hilary Duff?

  Because I was like kind of an adult. And then you like have a you're like, did they just stay together to get us to this point? And now you have guilt that they were like unhappy or just like so many different things.

• 38:35Jay Shetty?

  I gave up being the peacemaker of it when I became around 21. So I remember that time vividly in my life where I was like.

• 38:41Hilary Duff?

  What did that feel like, giving that up, making the choice to be like, I'm not doing that anymore?

• 38:46Jay Shetty?

  Oh, it was tough because there were certain members of my family that felt that I was giving up my responsibility.

• 38:53Hilary Duff?

  And you're like, this actually wasn't my job in the first place.

• 38:55Jay Shetty?

  Correct. And so so that was the I remember that being the tension where I was like, I love my parents. I'm grateful for everything they've given me. I'm really valuable. And I wouldn't be who I am today if I didn't have this situation that I grew up in.

• 39:09Jay Shetty?

  But I think now's the time that I've spent, however many, obviously I didn't start mediating when I was four years old. But I've spent, whatever, 10 years of my life trying to figure this out and I'm not capable. So there's a part of me that felt like a failure. There's part of me that felt like, you know, like that I was right and I was free to give up the media, the peace part that you're talking about. But I think that's what's so interesting is that I gave up that responsibility at 21, even though I saw the decision at 10. But did you ever get answers to your whys and your questions? Or was that something that you kind of found on your own?

• 39:42Hilary Duff?

  I think it was really hard for them to like be honest with each other and there was a lot of like fighting and it wasn't not like they could hang out and be in the same room. And so when it came for me getting divorced, I was like, I'm not gonna have that.

• 39:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 39:54Hilary Duff?

  We're gonna be like do holidays together as much as we can and not that it was always easy, but it felt way easier than the alternative.

• 40:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:02Hilary Duff?

  You know?

• 40:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 40:03Hilary Duff?

  So, yeah, I don't. I don't, my dad and I don't really have much of a relationship and we don't speak very often. It's hard because I think there's not a whole bunch of answers and it's you kind of hear one side and then try to take from it what you believe and then you know, the same on the other and I, I, it's really, it's really hard. I think if a family breaks apart very dramatically, it's hard to find your way back uh sometimes and some people want to and some people don't.

• 40:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's, I, I feel like as the older you get, you realize you've got to answer the questions yourself and find you've got to kind of find the full stop by yourself, kind of like the point that you're making in this lyric of just I've decided I'm not taking on this responsibility and whatever, in whatever way you played it.

• 40:50Hilary Duff?

  Mm hmm.

• 40:50Jay Shetty?

  Do you, do you feel sometimes, do you feel free of it? Or is it, is it always like something that

• 40:54Hilary Duff?

  No.

• 40:55Jay Shetty?

  Once you played that role, you're always kind of conditioned to play that role?

• 40:58Hilary Duff?

  I do. I think it's a little bit like muscle memory where you lean on it and then you have to remember some of the through therapy or wherever you find your solace, like you have to keep pushing those good habits or good things to say to yourself to cope and make different choices.

• 41:18Jay Shetty?

  It's almost like that conditioning pulls you back.

• 41:20Hilary Duff?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:20Jay Shetty?

  And then you've got to find this new thought process, almost like learning new lines as an actor and going, well,

• 41:25Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 41:25Jay Shetty?

  this is the new life that I want to build. And even what you just said about how you knew that when you went through it, you didn't want to mirror some of those behaviors. And you're like, no, we're gonna do, we're gonna do holidays together. And we're gonna change things because that is that must, that is tearing away that muscle memory and going, I'm gonna change it.

• 41:42Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 41:43Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. There's another amazing lyric that I love that I took apart here. So this one, okay.

• 41:53Hilary Duff?

  Don't tell me what song it's from.

• 41:54Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 41:55Hilary Duff?

  I like to play a game.

• 41:55Jay Shetty?

  Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't know. Okay, fine, all right. If you want to play a game, we're gonna play some games later. We're good. Okay, but you could, I won't tell you what song it's from. Okay, so the first question will be, what song is it from after I read it?

• 42:07Hilary Duff?

  Okay.

• 42:08Jay Shetty?

  Okay, I like this. This is good. I should have done it like that. We come from the same home, the same blood. A different explanation of the same thought. People ask if I've seen you, and honestly, I hate it. Because the truth is that I need to, but there's no way to relay it. Not if we don't talk.

• 42:25Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 42:27Hilary Duff?

  So that's from We Don't Talk.

• 42:32Hilary Duff?

  And

• 42:36Hilary Duff?

  this is a hard one for me.

• 42:39Hilary Duff?

  This is a really tough one.

• 42:45Hilary Duff?

  My sister and I don't speak.

• 42:49Hilary Duff?

  And I think in my adulthood, I've come across more and more people that are having this experience.

• 43:02Hilary Duff?

  And as painful as it feels to share,

• 43:07Hilary Duff?

  when I decided to make this record, I could only talk about the things that

• 43:14Hilary Duff?

  I've gone through. Like, there would be no purpose to make a record after 10 years than to be

• 43:22Hilary Duff?

  than to face, you know, what it's been like.

• 43:28Hilary Duff?

  So

• 43:32Hilary Duff?

  that's my truth. And I really worked hard to

• 43:38Hilary Duff?

  lyrically make sure that I'm just speaking about my experience, you know? It's very hard to be, to be, you know, a person who's like had their life exposed in the industry for 25 years and we were talking about, you know, that earlier tiptoeing around, kind of what the outcome has been for some of it.

• 44:02Hilary Duff?

  But yeah, that is, it's a very vulnerable song and it's a very raw part of my existence.

• 44:10Hilary Duff?

  And I hope it's not forever, but it's for right now. Sorry.

• 44:15Jay Shetty?

  Don't be sorry. There's a tissue there.

• 44:18Hilary Duff?

  Thank you. You guys come locked and loaded because this happens.

• 44:22Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for being so

• 44:25Jay Shetty?

  vulnerable and open with me because it's can't imagine how hard it is.

• 44:29Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 44:30Jay Shetty?

  And so sorry that you and her are going through that. I'm sure it's hard on you both in different ways.

• 44:37Hilary Duff?

  Totally. I agree with that. It's definitely a raw nerve. Everybody has their reasons and

• 44:45Hilary Duff?

  there's um relationships are difficult even with your family, especially with your family.

• 44:51Jay Shetty?

  Especially, yeah.

• 44:52Hilary Duff?

  Yeah, I think it's it's easier when you aren't connected that way.

• 44:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and it seems like you yearn for that relationship back because you say I need to. Like, it's not it's not something that you're kind of throwing away or giving up. As you said, there's you there's a part of you that seems, hope it changes.

• 45:10Hilary Duff?

  That's the person I grew up with, the only one.

• 45:12Jay Shetty?

  I really hope she I really hope she hears the song.

• 45:16Hilary Duff?

  You do?

• 45:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I hope she hears it and I hope it's at least the beginning of some way back to whatever it is that's good for both of you and that you both desire because whatever that looks like. I think that's what's hard with family is that we assume that good looks like everything's close and everything's perfect. And that's what we think when we're growing up. Then we get older and we go, oh, wait, it doesn't it doesn't always look like that.

• 45:40Hilary Duff?

  You desire like in family, like this picture. And that's not reality a lot of the times for people.

• 45:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 45:49Hilary Duff?

  And so you're like, you get to a certain age. I mean, I have my own family who is put first no matter what. And I've gotten to make different rules for my family. But yeah, you you get to a certain age where you're like, oh, that doesn't feel good or that's not right? Or that's, you know, and it's very hard to think of family in the way that you grow up thinking of family when

• 46:12Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 46:13Hilary Duff?

  so much shifts and changes. And I love my family in certain ways and certain memories and also like hu- huge struggles have, you know.

• 46:24Hilary Duff?

  Occurred. And not like putting that one responsibility on anybody involved, you know, assuming some myself. So, you know, it's, it's, it's very complicated.

• 46:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I think family is complicated. Absolutely right. Thank you for being so open and honest, the, you know, to the point that we can tell just how hard this is for you and how heavy it all is. And I'm sure everyone is listening right now is thinking that, God, I know exactly what relationship in my life makes me feel that way, whether it's with a sibling of father, a parent or family member. And so,

• 46:58Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 46:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Thank you for going there. Um, gonna do one more. You can guess the song. Do one more lyric.

• 47:03Hilary Duff?

  Love it.

• 47:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, one more lyric.

• 47:05Hilary Duff?

  Please don't make me cry.

• 47:06Jay Shetty?

  I, I would try. I'm, I hope I'm not making you cry. I would hate to be the one making you cry. That is not my intention whatsoever. And I, and I respect you too much to, you, you tell me how you feel about stuff.

• 47:17Hilary Duff?

  Okay.

• 47:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. This is the last lyric we're doing. So we went, I, I promise. Um, okay. What I find fascinating about you is your lyrics are so real and raw and clear and they, they are so, uh, resonant with, with anyone and everyone who's going through similar things through you are, which I think many, many people are. And so often when I read lyrics, they're so metaphorical, but you're like poetic, but real. Um, and so this one, you can guess the song. So the lyric goes, I wish I could sleep on planes and that my father would really love me. He'd show up on my wedding day and tell my family they're all so lucky. He'd tell me how he wished he stayed and that he never meant to disappoint me.

• 48:02Jay Shetty?

  But till then I'll exist as the optimist.

• 48:05Hilary Duff?

  I think more just

• 48:10Hilary Duff?

  being very vulnerable and open about what it's like to be in a family that, you know, your parents aren't together and you don't have, you know, relationships with both your parents.

• 48:22Hilary Duff?

  It's devastating. And it feels.

• 48:29Hilary Duff?

  I don't, I think it doesn't matter what age you are, you want your parents to feel like they care about you. And a big portion of my existence hasn't felt like that. I don't know if that's the truth, but that's how it feels. And so that's just what I'm sharing in that song, The Optimist.

• 48:49Hilary Duff?

  I love that song so much. I think I live in this world that like, I'm really happy. I'm really like goofy, I'm really silly. A lot of hard things have happened to me. And I think that with the album, I wanted to share that emotional depth and that, some of that heaviness. But like disguised with, you know, a very joyful track. And I think that's like very much how I like to exist in the world. It's like this balance of these two things can exist at the same time. And, you know, the record is a pop record. It feels like you want to blast into your car, at least I do. That's when I knew it was done, you know?

• 49:31Hilary Duff?

  But they're like life topics and life is really challenging, really hard, really tricky to make the right calls and the wrong calls. All of these, all just a process and like a very beautiful and messy one. And, and I feel like the record has just so much of that in it, you know? It's like a, feels like a capture of 10 years of different things flying at you.

• 49:54Jay Shetty?

  I know you have this other song that we all love. I'm not reading out any more lyrics. I, I, I know you have this other song that we all love called Mature. I was just thinking as you were saying that, that there's so much maturity in being able to be like, hey, I'm fine and goofy. And at the same time, there's all this stuff going on and like, and, and I think that's where everyone who's growing up with you and is experiencing all of that too. And I feel like only knowing one side. Especially through someone that people have followed and continue to follow for so many years.

• 50:26Hilary Duff?

  Mm hmm.

• 50:26Jay Shetty?

  You feel less alone.

• 50:28Hilary Duff?

  Hmm.

• 50:28Jay Shetty?

  I feel like people are gonna feel less alone when they listen to this album, but in a good way, not just like in their feels, but like you said, blasting it out. It's a part record. Like, I love that juxtaposition of making people feel less alone, but also making them have fun.

• 50:41Hilary Duff?

  I I love that juxtaposition too, and I love that word because playing the the the few little shows that that I played before I go out this summer was such a cool feeling of like, the audience one is like my age, so they're all adults now. And we've grown up together. And it was like, I'm playing these old songs that feel so good to people and hold such a sweet, like innocent part of their being, you know, some like that meant something to them at a very like pivotal eight coming of age. And um to get to hold that memory for people is such a like badge for me.

• 51:25Hilary Duff?

  But then also to meet them with like the new songs and kind of experiences that life has provided was a really cool experience to have them sing like these songs they the hat that they have from the record, you know, to sing them and us be adults and be connecting on that level is like really, really powerful. So it's like this really cool floaty feeling of like this thing that feels really good that we get to lean on and like celebrate from our past, but you know, be like, me too, you know, in the now.

• 51:58Jay Shetty?

  Like, that says so much about you because I think that you saying that I want people to have that experience that meant so much to them, even though you have transformed, you have grown, you have changed, you have gone through all of this, that just speaks like volumes of your character, honestly, because it's it's it's so easy for people to wanna like be like, tell me then, I'm gonna leave that behind. This is the new me now. And that's generally what we do as humans. Yeah, that was that and it was cool. And

• 52:22Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 52:22Jay Shetty?

  And it's like for you to be like, no, I just love doing it because it brings people so much joy and I get to share this part of them. Like that juxtaposition truly is. Yeah, I just wanna thank you for that because I think it it shows just. How much you have in your heart of wanting to make people happy and wanting to finding them to have these moments and.

• 52:39Hilary Duff?

  I think it, you know, I don't know if it would have been possible for me to do 10 years ago. I don't know why now, all of a sudden, I really don't know how to answer like what shifted and what made me find such peace with my past, you know, like, but I'm really proud of it now. And I get to go and celebrate it. And it feels like I get to be a part of it with everybody instead of trying to like shy away for it from it and be like, I'm an adult or I'm changed or I'm different or that's not me anymore. Like, that is a part of me and it will always be like a part of me. And it feels really fun to celebrate that with people, that it meant something to.

• 53:23Jay Shetty?

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• 55:33Jay Shetty?

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• 55:58Jay Shetty?

  It's almost like we all, we all go through pain and then there's transformation. And maybe at 10 years ago, there was some transformation happening in your life, but now you're coming back as a celebration. And a celebration is like how we look back at our whole life. Like I went to, I went to three 70th birthdays last year and like I looked at life like totally different because I'm 38.

• 56:17Hilary Duff?

  Same.

• 56:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, we're the same age. And, and I went to, I went to these three 70 year old birthdays, uh, two of them I'm very close with, one of them I'm becoming closer with. And they had like their kids, grandkids, they had all their friends that were important at different phases of their life. And everyone gave speeches and like, it was, I, and I, I'm a sucker for this stuff. Like I love to love, love and friendship and all this stuff.

• 56:42Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 56:43Jay Shetty?

  And, and I was like, wow, like when you're 70, like life just looks so different. And it's what you just said, it's like you're at a point where you're celebrating your, you know, I'm not that you're 70 years old and not, not saying that.

• 56:53Hilary Duff?

  Yeah, no.

• 56:54Jay Shetty?

  But that spirit of like-

• 56:54Hilary Duff?

  I've had a lot of chapters, you know, that it's really weird. People will be like, oh, what is, what do you remember from this time? I'm like-

• 57:02Hilary Duff?

  What do you remember from 25 years ago? Like, certain things stand out, but yeah, that's amazing. Definitely when you get to 70. I can imagine if I'm almost at 40 and feeling the thing that everyone told me I was gonna feel at 40. Imagine what 70 is like to get there and like a life well-lived and having people from all your eras show up and, you know, speak for you and have relationships as long as you can have at 70, you know? It's cool. It's really cool.

• 57:34Jay Shetty?

  Has making music and writing been your therapy? Has that been your outlet? Has that, how would you describe making this album? Is it, is it therapy? Is it transformative? Is it, is it celebration? What, what is it for you? And what does it give you?

• 57:51Hilary Duff?

  I think that what really triggered me wanting to make an album was having my fourth child. And being like, I love motherhood. I'm obsessed with my kids. Obviously, I wouldn't have four kids if I wasn't like deeply, utterly obsessed with like the way they run through the house, the way they breathe, the way we like, like just the, everything about the smallest things to the biggest things, like obsessed with them.

• 58:19Hilary Duff?

  But I was like, I can't stay here and just be like in this. Because I know so much else about myself that has to be like stretched. So I think I got really jealous actually of Matt. After I had towns and I was like still nursing and, you know, busy with the other kids and like running our household and all of that, all of that responsibility, which I actually genuinely love. But I can't, that can't be like it for me. So he was like going, he has an amazing studio. He was like going to the studio every day and just like getting to have alone time.

• 59:01Hilary Duff?

  And getting to like sit with things that like bump around his head and in his head and like make him tick and like purge, you know, his like creativity and create. And I was just like.

• 59:14Hilary Duff?

  I want that too.

• 59:17Hilary Duff?

  And he was like, cool. Like, are you serious? Like, it's not like for 10 years I've been writing songs. I've been like deep in motherhood. It's been way easier to like film a TV show, which I also love doing. But like, motherhood is a place where you just can completely focus on and throw all of your energy to and then like forget yourself. So being able to know that he has like the front row seat to my whole entire life and then sitting and like figuring out what this is gonna sound like and what I'm gonna talk about felt so safe and so natural. We have such a busy life. It wasn't like, it was just endless sessions where I'm like, we're writing for eight hours. Like, a lot of it was like a text and I'd be like, I'm going to get the kids from school.

• 1:00:02Hilary Duff?

  But what if we, what if it's this line? What if it's, what if this happens instead of that? You know, like, it's just like quick phone calls and a conversation in the kitchen while making plates for the kids. Like, it just, it just happened really naturally and like a wave that it would happen like this with like the way that we live together.

• 1:00:20Jay Shetty?

  That sounds crazy, chaotic and beautiful. As in, it's like, that's, what a way to make an album together and, and what a way to, you know, experience, have the experience that you're having and then going off and creating. When you, when you speak of motherhood, it's, it's so real and at the same time, it's just like so wonderful to hear about it from you. Like, it's, and, and I know we were speaking about it a bit earlier when you walked in and just how like you're like dropping the kids off at sports and like picking them up. And even today, I think when you arrived, you were like, yeah, I'm gonna go get to pick up the kids after this or whatever, you know? And I'm like, it, it's so wonderful. And obviously you just said like you wouldn't have four kids if you, if you didn't. What is, what would you say is your favorite way of showing love to the kids?

• 1:01:01Hilary Duff?

  One thing that my mom was with me and my dad as a young child, really playful. Extremely silly and playful. And I have that from them.

• 1:01:16Jay Shetty?

  I love that.

• 1:01:17Hilary Duff?

  And I love to play tricks on my kids. I love to like. Be silly and get down on their level and just be really playful with them. And I think that's a huge important part of like the parent child relationship. And then time, time spent, talks, deciding to make an album and go on tour. I'm going to miss so much that I've really tried to be there for. And it could make me cry again thinking about, you know, Mei Mei, my four year old has um her school tea party this Friday and I'm not going to be there.

• 1:02:00Hilary Duff?

  And like for Banks, I threw the tea party with like three other moms and was there like. And so you're like, this feels off balance. This isn't fair, but I will make it fair. I'll find a way to make it fair. And so I think just showing up for your kids and giving them the time, even if it's. Yesterday I had a really busy day and I flew up the canyon for like forty minutes with Mei Mei of with Towns, my youngest. And I drove to Luca's soccer practice to go do an hour long interview and then take him to his next soccer practice. And by the time I got home, it was like nine P M. But Matt and I drove him together because we were both at the studio. And then we like walked the track and watched him play soccer.

• 1:02:45Hilary Duff?

  So like we got our time. Not all the kids got their time, but two of them did. And you just try to like find the balance and be like, okay, I'm not choosing Towns this day. I'm choosing Mei Mei. I'm gonna go watch her dance or I'm gonna, you know, you just, you just find a way to make it work and try to be in tune with what your kids need and keep conversations open. And that's that.

• 1:03:06Jay Shetty?

  Do you think about sometimes like when they get older, I'm gonna talk to them about how like, I wasn't at this party, but we did this thing. Or do you think about it that way or not really is that, am I completely missing the point?

• 1:03:15Hilary Duff?

  The things that kids stick, that stick with them.

• 1:03:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:19Hilary Duff?

  Is so devastating. My son.

• 1:03:22Jay Shetty?

  That's so painful.

• 1:03:23Hilary Duff?

  It's so painful, like my son.

• 1:03:26Jay Shetty?

  Please, I need to learn now.

• 1:03:28Hilary Duff?

  Okay, we were at Disney Disneyland. This is, okay, he's thirteen now, so he must have been like eight or nine. And Disneyland's a big deal. We happen to go like every year, but it's a big deal. And he would not get on this roller coaster. And I was like, everyone's going on it. Like, you can't know until you try. Like, I ended up pushing it too hard, making him cry. And it like, he wrote like a, a thing about it at school.

• 1:03:54Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 1:03:54Hilary Duff?

  I was like, what about all the times that I'm amazing?

• 1:03:58Jay Shetty?

  Oh, no.

• 1:04:00Hilary Duff?

  And all the time now, now we can joke and he loves to ride roller coasters. And I'm like, I told you, I told you, you had to just listen to me, that you would know. And we could have been having more fun since this age, instead of this age and blah, blah. You know, like, we obviously like razz each other a ton, but um, he's always like, remember that time? He made me cry because I wouldn't get on the roller coaster. And I'm like.

• 1:04:20Jay Shetty?

  You know, you.

• 1:04:21Hilary Duff?

  Never live it down.

• 1:04:21Jay Shetty?

  He needs to write a new thing in school now about how he loves roller coasters and how it started from that point.

• 1:04:26Hilary Duff?

  They don't see it like that, but I'm gonna tell him you said so.

• 1:04:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's the only fair. But did, did he ride the roller coaster the first time after?

• 1:04:34Hilary Duff?

  No.

• 1:04:34Jay Shetty?

  No, oh, so, oh, so he wasn't even that bad then?

• 1:04:37Hilary Duff?

  I think he was like, you put some, you tried to put too much pressure on me, blah, blah, blah. Now, like, we just went to Disney World for Christmas with the kids for three days. It was so insane. Four kids, Disney World, three days.

• 1:04:49Jay Shetty?

  How are you doing that?

• 1:04:50Hilary Duff?

  On Christmas Day, we flew, it was crazy.

• 1:04:53Jay Shetty?

  That's the best Christmas.

• 1:04:54Hilary Duff?

  But now I put no, I'm like, mm-mm, you ride it when you're ready. I am not gonna be like nabbed as that.

• 1:05:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, not, not by that teacher. You, you're reminding me that I, I, my, my niece and nephew, my nephew is like, he's ten years old now. He was like, two years old when this happened, barely. Yeah, maybe two years old. We're, we're in a, we're in the pool at Christmas time. We were taking the family away and we're in a pool. And he was in one of those donuts that he just, and he needed those. And he had his armbands on and everything because obviously.

• 1:05:24Hilary Duff?

  He can't swim.

• 1:05:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, he can't swim, he's, he's tiny. And so it was me, him and his dad hanging out in the pool. And uh.

• 1:05:30Hilary Duff?

  Uh-oh, stitches? What happened? Oh, okay.

• 1:05:33Jay Shetty?

  So I was, I was playing this game with him, which he loved, so he won't say this. I was playing this game with him where I was pretending to be a little shark coming at him. And and I would come out and I'd surprise him and he'd laugh and whatever. And so I'd I keep doing that. One time I do it, he falls through the like the donut, like for some reason he got so scared that his whole body just fell through it.

• 1:05:53Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:53Jay Shetty?

  And obviously Min has got him out immediately, like he was fine. All he does is tell this story.

• 1:05:58Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Jay Shetty?

  He's like, do you remember?

• 1:05:59Hilary Duff?

  See?

• 1:06:00Jay Shetty?

  When you

• 1:06:00Hilary Duff?

  And you're like, you can't possibly remember.

• 1:06:02Jay Shetty?

  And I'm like, dude, you you weren't even like you were there, but you you do not have a memory for this.

• 1:06:06Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Jay Shetty?

  He's like, no, I remember that moment when you were trying to be a shark. And and he's and now he's teasing me with it. Like, it's not like he's actually upset. For the first few years, I thought he was never gonna be my friend again. I was really sad about it.

• 1:06:18Hilary Duff?

  So funny.

• 1:06:18Jay Shetty?

  You're so right. Like, it's so true. Kids are just

• 1:06:20Hilary Duff?

  When the fun games take a turn and you're like, oh, no, now you're scarred.

• 1:06:24Jay Shetty?

  Totally. And he's 10 years old and now he uses it against me. And I'm like, hey, I've got loads of stories on you. Like, I've got so many stories on you being silly when you were younger. And we've got video of it, too, so. But no, you're so right, kids. And and I guess that's what's so hard with children. It's like you you think you're doing things right and then

• 1:06:40Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Jay Shetty?

  You know, you never know. And that's why I think that overriding love is just so valuable, right? Because you can't you can't predict how they're gonna react to one of these experiences, I guess.

• 1:06:49Hilary Duff?

  Right. You also just don't know that you're always doing things right. And I think that's okay. I have a lot of confidence in being a parent. Just because, you know, the more times you do something, you're like, oh, I know what this looks like. Oh, I I know how to do this thing. But I've never been a parent of a fourteen year old. And I've never been the parent of a eight year old girl. Like, all of these things are just, it's just a constant checking in, updating. One thing that works for this kid doesn't work for this kid. And so it is chaotic, but it's so fun. And you like learn so much and the love is so big. And we laugh a lot. I'm so grateful for that.

• 1:07:31Hilary Duff?

  My favorite, we, we have these big doors that open in the, in the back of our house and we just will like open up all the door. We have to put, we have cats now, so we have to put the cats away. But we just like open all the doors up and it's just like kids running in and out and soccer and the backyard and everybody playing and jumping on the trampoline or swimming. And I just, I'm so appreciative of them and Matt and what we've built. It's such a, such a haven.

• 1:08:02Jay Shetty?

  How did they end up with all these cool names? Like Towns and Banks and May May, like.

• 1:08:06Hilary Duff?

  Towns and Banks and May May. Gosh, how did they end up with their names?

• 1:08:11Jay Shetty?

  They're so unique.

• 1:08:12Hilary Duff?

  I know, I know. Well, May, that was, we thought she was a boy. She was the only kid that we didn't find out when we were having, cause we had her in the pandemic. And I think we were all looking for ways to entertain ourselves and surprise ourselves.

• 1:08:27Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:08:28Hilary Duff?

  So, um, we, she was a, her like gender was a surprise and we thought for sure she was going to be a boy and she was a girl. And both of our moms were born in May, so we named her May May or May. We call her May May. She just came to the realization that her nickname is longer than her real name and she's like really confused by why we would do that.

• 1:08:48Jay Shetty?

  That, that makes a lot of sense.

• 1:08:49Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Jay Shetty?

  She's smart.

• 1:08:50Hilary Duff?

  Yeah, and she introduces herself as May May.

• 1:08:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Hilary Duff?

  But she's like, why is Banks not like Banks Banks? And like, what is going on here?

• 1:08:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Hilary Duff?

  They're very funny. Um, yeah, I don't, I don't think we wanted like traditional names, but we also didn't want like names that, you know, they didn't feel comfortable with as adults. So we hope we nailed it, but they also have more normal middle names.

• 1:09:12Jay Shetty?

  Okay, right.

• 1:09:13Hilary Duff?

  So who knows?

• 1:09:15Jay Shetty?

  I like them. They're so fun.

• 1:09:16Hilary Duff?

  Thank you.

• 1:09:17Jay Shetty?

  Fun. I feel like they, I, I haven't met them before, but like, like they all sound like they have a personality based on their name.

• 1:09:22Hilary Duff?

  They all have a very big personality. I like that the girls' names, the two Banks and Towns, they kind of have like last name sounding names, which feels strong for girls. And that was kind of my goal.

• 1:09:34Jay Shetty?

  Nice. I love it. Hillary, you've been amazing to talk to, truly. Uh, I've, I've loved this conversation. I feel like I've learned so much about you. I feel like I feel closer to you just from how open you've been, how vulnerable you've been. We have a couple of games, as I promised you, segments to finish off.

• 1:09:51Hilary Duff?

  Love a game.

• 1:09:52Jay Shetty?

  Uh, our interviews. So I'm gonna bring them out now. Uh, so there's a couple that we invented recently that we absolutely love. And so this question, uh, this, there's two games. The first one is called Would You Rather? And it's the Disney era edition.

• 1:10:06Hilary Duff?

  Oh, yes. Usually we play with like disgusting food or like horrible things, but let's go.

• 1:10:11Jay Shetty?

  This is a lot easier. So would you rather have to say, hi, I'm Hilary Duff and you're watching Disney Channel? Every time you introduce yourself? Or have the Lizzie McGuire animated character in your head at all times?

• 1:10:24Hilary Duff?

  Oh, she lives in there rent free, baby. I think, I think I would have her living. I mean, I've accepted her in my head, so I'm choosing the latter.

• 1:10:34Jay Shetty?

  Okay, got it. That makes sense. That's good. All right. We can't see it. You have to do it. So, okay, second one. Walk every red carpet now in low rise jeans or a scarf worn as a top?

• 1:10:46Hilary Duff?

  No. No.

• 1:10:51Hilary Duff?

  So my option is low rise jeans on the red carpet or a scarf as a top, a dress skirt as a top?

• 1:10:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:57Hilary Duff?

  Oh, my gosh. That is so impossible. This is forever. This is for eternity.

• 1:11:04Jay Shetty?

  This is, yeah, yeah. It's Would You Rather? Let's, let's say for the next 12 months. Let's say for the next 12 months.

• 1:11:09Hilary Duff?

  That works for me. I'm going low rise jeans.

• 1:11:11Jay Shetty?

  Okay, there we go. All right. Perfect. I was being kind. I was being kind. Uh, would you rather have come clean play every time it starts raining? Or have wake up as your alarm clock every morning?

• 1:11:20Hilary Duff?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:11:24Hilary Duff?

  Well, I feel like every time it's raining and I open Instagram, come clean is playing.

• 1:11:29Jay Shetty?

  In your head?

• 1:11:30Hilary Duff?

  Yeah, but the way that I'm gonna skirt around this is that we live in L.A. and it doesn't rain very often, so I'm choosing that one.

• 1:11:36Jay Shetty?

  Good answer. These are great responses. I love that. Okay, very good. Uh, there's so many more. I'll have to send you some of these because I need to get through some of these questions. But uh, this is the last one of the Would You Rather Disney era edition.

• 1:11:48Hilary Duff?

  Okay.

• 1:11:49Jay Shetty?

  Would you rather bring back ultra thin eyebrows or foundation over the lips?

• 1:11:54Hilary Duff?

  Oh, you definitely didn't come up with that one.

• 1:11:57Jay Shetty?

  I didn't.

• 1:12:00Hilary Duff?

  Whoa, I think, ooh, that's so tough. I think I'm gonna go with ultra-thin eyebrows. Might be a vibe.

• 1:12:08Jay Shetty?

  I think so.

• 1:12:09Hilary Duff?

  I hope like the 12-month rule can be applied to this answer as well.

• 1:12:12Jay Shetty?

  The 12-month rule applies to the one.

• 1:12:13Hilary Duff?

  I'm gonna go thin eyebrow. I never want foundation on my lips again. That was like a must before I went out. I would just like blot out my lips. Now we're like all crayoning to make our lips bigger.

• 1:12:23Jay Shetty?

  That's fascinating, isn't it? Hence 12 months makes sense because you never know. Work could come back.

• 1:12:28Hilary Duff?

  That's true.

• 1:12:29Jay Shetty?

  Okay, this game's called gut reaction. So you have to just finish the sentence.

• 1:12:32Hilary Duff?

  Okay.

• 1:12:32Jay Shetty?

  One thing my kids make fun of me for is?

• 1:12:36Hilary Duff?

  Getting gotten by AI.

• 1:12:38Jay Shetty?

  What do you mean? Oh, you'll literally be like, this is real.

• 1:12:42Hilary Duff?

  Oh, yeah, I'm like, look at this. My son's like, cats don't jump on trampolines. So that's, you're insane. I'm like, right, got it, got it, got it.

• 1:12:53Jay Shetty?

  It is getting scary.

• 1:12:55Hilary Duff?

  I know.

• 1:12:55Jay Shetty?

  It is getting scary.

• 1:12:56Hilary Duff?

  I know, it's easy to like giggle about it right now and some of the things that we see are like funny. But no, it's, I don't like it at all.

• 1:13:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's scary. All right. The most cringe moment of me on the internet I wish could be erased is?

• 1:13:09Hilary Duff?

  Oh, gosh.

• 1:13:12Hilary Duff?

  The most cringe moment of me on the internet?

• 1:13:16Hilary Duff?

  Honestly, I probably felt like it was the with love dance for a long time, but now.

• 1:13:20Jay Shetty?

  You've owned it.

• 1:13:22Hilary Duff?

  We're back, baby.

• 1:13:22Jay Shetty?

  We're back. I love that. It's, it's been all over my TikTok feed. Like I've not seen anything else. I've been showing it to everyone. I'm like, yeah, it's all I've been, it's all I've been seeing and sharing. The first, I'm not joking, I'm not joking. First artist you'd want next to you on a long tour bus ride?

• 1:13:40Hilary Duff?

  Probably Taylor Swift, because I bet those buses are nice.

• 1:13:44Jay Shetty?

  Oh, you wanna go on her bus? Yeah, this was on your tour bus.

• 1:13:47Hilary Duff?

  Oh, okay. Well, she would probably give me all the tips for a tour because she hasn't stopped.

• 1:13:52Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, yeah, those, those, I mean, tours are hard work. I've never done anything nearly as long as any musician on the planet. I did like 40 shows two years ago and I was like, this is insane.

• 1:14:02Hilary Duff?

  I know, it's really hard.

• 1:14:04Jay Shetty?

  Unbelievable.

• 1:14:05Hilary Duff?

  I was just gone for 12 days and I almost like cried when I just like, like saw my pillows on my bed. And I was like, oh, it's gonna be a good night. I get my pillows back.

• 1:14:16Jay Shetty?

  Hillary, we end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one sentence maximum.

• 1:14:22Hilary Duff?

  Okay.

• 1:14:23Jay Shetty?

  So Hilary Duff, these are your final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:14:29Hilary Duff?

  Do you, because everyone else has taken.

• 1:14:32Jay Shetty?

  Great advice. Uh, second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:14:37Hilary Duff?

  Never grow up.

• 1:14:39Jay Shetty?

  Third question, your favorite thing about Matt that you don't say to him enough?

• 1:14:43Hilary Duff?

  He's really handsome.

• 1:14:44Jay Shetty?

  There you go, Matt.

• 1:14:45Hilary Duff?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:47Jay Shetty?

  Can play this as many times as you want.

• 1:14:48Hilary Duff?

  I know. He's really, I, I mean, I just, I love looking at him and I think that he's such a funny guy that it's easy to just be like, yeah, he's so funny. He's like the best. It's easy to, he keeps us laughing. Like he's just like really a fun, funny like goof, but he's so handsome.

• 1:15:07Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Fourth question, uh, will we ever get a Lizzie McGuire reboot?

• 1:15:13Hilary Duff?

  I can't answer this in one sentence, but I can say that right now it's not in the cards. I have a world tour to go on and that's gonna take me a few years, I think. But when I think about Lizzie, you know, I was really excited thinking about her at 30 and going through 30 year old things. And now I can't really see her at 40. Maybe I could start to see her around the 55, 60 and I think that's interesting.

• 1:15:42Jay Shetty?

  That is interesting. We'd love to see that. I love it. All right. Very, very good answer. Fifth and final question, we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:15:55Hilary Duff?

  I wanted to say like love, like loving each other, but you don't have to love everyone you come into contact with and you don't have to like trust everyone.

• 1:16:04Hilary Duff?

  And you also don't have to accept, like that's the other thing, like accept, accept everyone. But I think that there needs to be some guidelines. Do you know what I mean? Like the basic things.

• 1:16:16Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:16:16Hilary Duff?

  I wish there was just acceptance of like everybody being like created equal and accepted for.

• 1:16:26Hilary Duff?

  Skin tone or gender or whatever. But there has to be some rules in place. For like, bad people.

• 1:16:34Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:16:36Hilary Duff?

  So I guess, like,

• 1:16:39Hilary Duff?

  using common sense with acceptance.

• 1:16:42Jay Shetty?

  Hilary Duff, thank you so much. So excited for everyone to hear your album. So excited. I hope I get to come see you on tour. I'm really excited to see you perform live.

• 1:16:50Hilary Duff?

  Come on, let's go. I will keep you updated.

• 1:16:52Jay Shetty?

  I would love that. This is such a joy, such a treat. Thank you for being so open and honest. I hope you got to share everything you wanted to share. I hope you feel seen and heard and so grateful that you trusted me and trusted our platform to come and be so open. So thank you so much.

• 1:17:05Hilary Duff?

  Thank you.

• 1:17:06Jay Shetty?

  Thank you.

• 1:17:06Hilary Duff?

  Yeah, no, I really enjoyed it.

• 1:17:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, thank you. If you loved this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how to speak to yourself with more compassion.

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