Jay Must-Listens: 3 Easy Money Habits That Will Change How You Save, Spend & Grow Your Money

Today, we will explore one of the most emotionally charged and misunderstood topics of our time: money. Not just how to make it, but how to build a healthy, grounded, and spiritually aligned relationship with it. You’ll hear raw insights from leaders like Scott Galloway, Jaspreet Singh, Codie Sanchez, and Lewis Howes, each offering a window into the habits, mindsets, and blind spots that keep us feeling financially stuck. From the shame many of us carry around saving to the ways our education system failed to prepare us, this episode reveals why so many people feel overwhelmed by finances and why that struggle is more normal and more solvable than we think. Scott Galloway explains why saving feels impossible today and why young people need discipline, forced systems, and a focus on building human capital. Jaspreet Singh breaks down the habits that keep people financially stuck, overspending, blind trust in the system, and not understanding how money works, and shares how he learned that real wealth comes from owning assets. Codie Sanchez simplifies the risk, reward equation, urges beginners to start with low-cost index funds, and reminds us that the highest-return investment is always in ourselves. Lewis Howes brings the spiritual side of money to life, showing how healing our relationship with money opens the door to abundance, gratitude, and new opportunities. In this episode, you'll learn: How to Build a Realistic Saving System How to Create Forced Savings That Actually Work How to Shift From Spending to Investing How to Break Free From the Poverty Mindset How to Build Wealth Through Equity, Not Salary How to Strengthen Your Relationship With Money You don’t need to have everything figured out to begin. You don’t need the perfect plan, perfect timing, or perfect background to build a healthier relationship with money. What matters is your willingness to learn, to question old patterns, and to try again even when things feel overwhelming. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty. Join over 750,000 people to receive my most transformative wisdom directly in your inbox every single week with my free newsletter. Subscribe here. Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 00:55 Building a Framework for Realistic, Healthy Saving 06:19 Why Saving Feels Harder Than Ever 13:27 The Three Habits That Keep You in a Poverty Mindset 33:51 Why You Need Both Vision and Execution to Build Wealth 37:16 Why Investing in Yourself Comes First 41:07 Stocks and Bonds Explained Simply 43:52 Stepping Into the World of Private Investing 45:03 The #1 Shift That Can Transform Your Financial Future 48:36 Giving Yourself Permission to Explore Possibilities 54:53 How to Create a Respectful Relationship With Money 01:04:12 The Power of Living Beneath Your Means 01:06:54 The Hidden Costs of Chasing Easy Money See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:20Jay Shetty?

  How many of you would like to make more money this year? I'm guessing the answer is yes. All of us need to make more money to take care of the people we love, to build the dreams, and to build our life. But what happens when we're told to chase wealth but never taught the rules of money? Nearly half of the adults in the United States grade their financial knowledge a C or worse. Yet, social media pushes get rich quick. True freedom isn't about hacks. It's about discipline, risk, and understanding money.

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• 3:04Jay Shetty?

  In this episode, you will hear from financial experts who share lessons on saving, investing, and building wealth that serves your goals, not your impulses. Scott Galloway puts it simply: Saving isn't about willpower. It starts with having something to save. Reclaiming just eight to 10 hours a week from distractions like TikTok or gaming could shift your financial future. And discipline, it comes most easily from automation. Only 17% of Americans use automatic deposits or transfers to build savings. Yet it's the most reliable way to grow wealth without relying on willpower.

• 3:47Jay Shetty?

  What I love about Scott's message is that he doesn't frame money as an overnight breakthrough. He frames it as an ongoing practice. Here are the key takeaways. Start small, automate it, let time do the compounding, and remember, your early years are for workshopping. Don't expect perfection, expect to keep showing up, because it's not intensity, but consistency that builds true financial freedom. I was talking to my team about this before you came, because I love getting into everyone's heads about what's everyone worried about, what's everyone struggling with, what are we thinking about? And one of the big things that came up was, I don't know how to save. Like, a lot of young people say this to me today, like, I don't even know what saving means anymore. They've not been trained

• 4:32Jay Shetty?

  in it, their education system let them down, maybe their parents keep saying, save, save, save, save, save, but their consumption is high. If someone's thinking about saving today, how do they create a framework for healthy and realistic saving?

• 4:47Scott Galloway?

  Well, the first thing, you have to have something to save. There's just no getting around it. You've got to be able to make money. And the best way to make a lot of money is by starting and making a little bit of money. I coach a lot of young men, and typically what I do on the first meeting is I tell them to unlock their phone, and I say, I'm not going to judge you. You know, I'm on TikTok, I watch porn, I'm not, you know, I'm not easily offended here. And we're going to find eight to 10 hours a week out of your phone. And it's ridiculously easy with young men to find eight or 10 hours on their phone between Robin Hood, Twitter, what have you. And we reinvest it. And the first thing is, we got to figure out, okay, for me, it's physical fitness, right away, we're going to spend two to four hours a week getting strong. Especially, I coach mostly young

• 5:28Scott Galloway?

  men. But I think one of the keys to mental health is feeling as if, when you're a young man, that you could walk into any room, and if shit got real, kill and eat everybody, or outrun them. I think that should be your goal. I think it's instinctual, I think it'll make you feel strong, I think it'll make you feel kinder. The people who break up fights at bars are usually big,

• 5:47Scott Galloway?

  The second thing, you have to start making some money. I don't care if it's flipping on your smartphone to be a Lyft driver or a TaskRabbit, going to CVS and stocking shelves. Even just a little bit of money gives you a taste for the flesh of money and gets you thinking about different ways to make money. And capital in a capitalist society is intoxicating. So we have to figure out a way to start making some money. Once we start making some money and we have a salary and we work at an organization, 98% of people will spend everything that comes through their hands. Right? It just, you live in a society where there are the most impressive people and the most impressive technology ever in the history of our planet

• 6:30Scott Galloway?

  have one mission, and that's to figure out a way to present you with the ultimate offer at exactly the right time. Oh, heading to Capo for a girl's weekend? Wouldn't you like to upgrade from economy to economy comfort? Oh, only two of these rooms left? How about upgrade now to the special spa package? Oh, you just bought a pair of on-running shoes? What about these Bomba socks? It is nearly impossible for a young person to save money if it comes through their hands, if they get their hands on it. You want to figure out a force savings. So everything from like the Acorns app that rounds up and puts the money automatically into a low-cost index fund. Find out what government programs there are in your nation that where if you sign up, the money's taken out of your check. Maybe it's matched by the government.

• 7:13Scott Galloway?

  Maybe it's matched by your employer, 401K, IRA, Roth. First thing you do, find someone smart at your company. Talk to your tax advisor, go on AI and say, what force savings mechanisms are most tax advantaged that I can participate in at an early age? Because you really just need to take somewhere between, call it 3% and 5% of your income if you start when you're in your twenties. And in the UK, they round up from £4,000 a year to £5,000. There are tax-deferred programs here such that you don't get clipped 20, 30, 40% each year. So the first thing is, I gotta start making some money. The next thing is, I'm gonna lean into my advantage. Your advantage when you're young, everyone has capital.

• 7:56Scott Galloway?

  When you're young, you have more human capital, you have more time than financial capital. So I'm gonna lean into that advantage. And if I can just figure out the discipline of getting a thousand, two thousand, five thousand bucks a year into one of these programs, I'm not going to touch it, I'm not going to think about it, I'm not going to trade, I'm going to focus on what I'm good at. By the time you're my age, you're going to be fine. But the easiest way to do that is a forced savings plan. You have agency, make some money and immediately, I don't care if it's, you start off making a couple of grand a month as a Task Rabbit or whatever it might be, I'm going to take two or three percent of it and find a program such that it never gets into my hands and goes into a low-cost diversified index fund.

• 8:38Jay Shetty?

  One of the things I love you talk about in the book, The Algebra of Wealth, is you talk about the challenge we have with our goals. The first is we set unrealistic goals and then they're super long-term. So we say things to ourselves like, well, in the next 12 months, I'm going to save $12,000 and it's like, we've never even saved $500. And you talk about this need to set a goal of like, this is how much I'm going to save this month. Like, this is where I'm going to start. And it's so interesting, you talk about time and your work with young men, because I think time is so interesting, because I think today, most people would rather finish their workday and we'd love to just switch on a show or doom scroll on TikTok.

• 9:21Scott Galloway?

  Yeah.

• 9:22Jay Shetty?

  And so there is more time that could be engaged in creating other revenue streams, et cetera. But what is really blocking us from doing that? I think everyone knows they have time, they know they want to make more money, but there's something there that's just blocking us from getting activated. What have you found that is?

• 9:39Scott Galloway?

  So I can't speak for the whole population, but generally speaking, the lack of executive function is the part of the brain that controls that is the prefrontal cortex, the kind of gas on, gas off, the part of the brain that says, stop playing video games and start studying. That is maturing later and later in boys. It's somewhere between 12 and 18 months behind young women. So in many ways, a senior in high school, a woman who's applying to college and a young man who's applying to college, senior in high school, the woman is competing against a 16 and a half year old. And as a result, fewer and fewer men are going to college. And we're in an economy where 40 years ago, one in three jobs needed a college degree. Now it's two in three.

• 10:20Scott Galloway?

  Women are correctly and justifiably, especially young women, blowing by young men. They have more discipline. They have higher EQ. Quite frankly, they're just more, more mature. I say this in my own company. I have a lot of young people, disproportionate amount of young people working in my organization. There's some very talented young men, but I would describe them kind of as dopey, almost a little boyish. I have some young women in my firm who could be the junior senator from Pennsylvania. Women are just maturing earlier. So there's certain biological things that get in the way of men having executive function. I also think that there's so much temptation. I think there's a little bit of belief of kind of YOLO, you know, this is it, live for today.

• 11:03Scott Galloway?

  I also think it's harder for them to save just because everything's so goddamn expensive. It really is. So it's discouraging for them. It's like, okay, I'm working my ass off and I can barely pay for my, barely pay for my rent. So this is a, this is anecdotal evidence, but it largely represents the economy. When I got out of business school, the average salary was a hundred grand. You know, I went to a quote unquote elite business school. I went to the Ha School. The average house in San Francisco costs $280,000, so 2.8 times the MBA salary. Now the kids at Ha, still in elite business school, incredible compensation, average 200 grand right out of business school. But the average home in San Francisco is 2.1 million. Why? Because as soon as you have a house, you become very concerned with traffic and you

• 11:47Scott Galloway?

  start showing up to local review meetings and making sure no new housing is built, which is great if you already own a home, going back to the rejection of strategy. But it's almost impossible now. It's almost like saving for a home is out of my reach. The travel industry has boomed. And my thesis is that you have millions of young people who are going into their mating years and decided. Let's save for a house. Let's save for a house. Then pre pandemic, a house is 290K. Post pandemic, it's 420. Interest rates from 3% to 7%. Average mortgage went from 1100 to 2200. All of a sudden, the American dream has become a hallucination, a fantasy. And I'm getting a backpack and I'm going to do an Airbnb in Bangkok.

• 12:29Scott Galloway?

  And travel stocks, hotel stocks, airline stocks have all boom. Cause I think young people have given up on the American dream of owning a home. But circling back to your question, it's, I think, recognizing you have agency, realizing that this is hard. It's hard work. You're working in an economy. Build a kitchen cabinet of people who can advise you. It's very hard to read the label from inside of the bottle. You gotta work hard. There's just no getting around it. I don't care how talented you are. Beyonce works her ass off. I mean, it just, people who want to be successful and influential have to work, work, work really hard. And then what I would also say is that forgive yourself. My first job out of college was investment banking. I hit the lottery. Everyone was super impressed. I hated it and I wasn't good at, good at it.

• 13:13Scott Galloway?

  And within two and a half years, I was back living at home with my mother unemployed. That almost kind of devastated me. But I was, my, my kind of success comes from my ability to endure rejection and move through it, to mourn and move on. So if you're in your twenties and you're thinking, I'm not making a lot of money. I'm having trouble like having a nice life. I'm not entirely sure what I want to do. Then you are exactly where you should be. Your twenties are for workshopping. Forgive yourself, but keep trying. Reach out to people for help. Show up. Get the easy shit right. Show up early. Be courteous. Be kind. You know, think about how do I get more certification?

• 13:54Scott Galloway?

  And then the moment you lock in on something that you're good at and could become great at, go all in on it. And I come from the attitude, I'm assuming people want real economic security. Some people say, Scott, I'm not like you. I don't want to live to work, I want to work to live. Fine, but have an honest conversation with yourself around what you need to make to have a reasonable life. If you want to live in LA and you want to have a nice lifestyle, you just have to make a shit ton of money. There's just, that's just the reality. But if you say, I'm not all about work, then fine. Do you want to move to Santa Clarita? Do you want to move to the inland empire? Do you want to move to somewhere in Oregon? Fine, but have a sober conversation with yourself. What are your expectations? And realistically, what kind of commitment and trade off are you going to need to get there?

• 14:38Scott Galloway?

  What I tell young people is you can have it all, you just can't have it all at once. I have amazing balance right now. And looking around, I think you do. But that's because I had almost none in my twenties and thirties. And I don't, you know, this whole life, I don't know much about you, but the life I lead now when I'm in LA, I didn't even know it existed in my twenties. Because I'm like, I need to make money and I'm not, I'm not exceptionally talented. So the thing I can control is how hard I work. And there's no getting around it. It'll cost you some relationships. It cost me my hair, it cost me my first marriage. And this sounds crass, but it was worth it.

• 15:20Scott Galloway?

  Because now that I have kids, now that I'm older, I have a lot of balance. So it's a sober conversation, it's a kitchen cabinet, it's forgiving yourself, it's trying to find something you're good at. It's a lot of things. More than anything, more than anything, forgive yourself. If things aren't working out in your twenties, boss, that's where you should be. It very rarely do people come right out of college and go like this.

• 15:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, so well said. So much to unpack there, Scott, and thank you for kind of giving us so many points to check with. Jaspreet Singh breaks down the three habits that keep people broke. He reminds us that saving alone won't make you wealthy. If inflation outpaces your interest, your savings lose value every day.

• 16:01Jay Shetty?

  That's why wealthy people don't just earn more, they own more. Jesprecht's first real estate investment taught him that wealth isn't built by climbing the corporate ladder, but by owning a piece of it. His challenge to all of us, learn how money moves, ask why, and focus on ownership over appearances. If you could tell me, what are the three habits that keep us in that poor or poverty mindset, as you said? And what are the healthy habits that bring us into the wealthy mindset?

• 16:32Jaspreet Singh?

  Sure. So the three, I think, biggest bad habits when it comes to money. First, probably the most obvious, I would say is people following the two S's, where you're spending or saving all of your money. You'll never become wealthy if you do that. Number two would be you blindly follow the system without questioning the way the system works. And number three is you don't understand how money works. So if we start with number one, the two S's, save and spend. Now, it's interesting, if you look at the financial statements for the majority of people in America, or even across the world, the way it looks is you make money, you pay taxes, you spend money, and then you wonder where all your money went.

• 17:14Jay Shetty?

  Literally.

• 17:15Jaspreet Singh?

  And so people, the majority of people don't have any plan for their money. And that's why the majority of people have little to no savings, and the majority of Americans have little to no investments. Right now, about half of America has zero investments. And I'm talking about zero 401K, zero IRA, zero stock market account, zero real estate investments, zero gold investments, nothing. And then out of the next half of Americans that have an investment, only half of those have an investment outside of their 401K or IRA. So you have a very small percent, about a quarter of America, working America, that has any investments on their own. When you go back to the saving and spending, we're in a spending culture.

• 18:01Jaspreet Singh?

  America has a consumerism culture, and I joke about this, but the way I like to say it is traditionally, Indian people make a dollar to spend twenty cents. American people make a dollar to spend two dollars. Yeah. Thanks to the help of credit, lines of credit. This is just the culture that we're in, where it's very okay and normalized to spend money, even if you can't afford something. You don't have it. And what are you doing? Well, you're spending all your money, making everybody else around you rich, but you yourself, you might look rich, but you're actually broke. There's a reason why the owner and CEO of Louis Vuitton is the richest person in the world versus the majority of people who wear Louis Vuitton are broke. The people who are wearing Louis Vuitton are trying to look rich, and how are you doing that? Well, you're making the owner of Louis Vuitton rich by doing that.

• 18:46Jaspreet Singh?

  And so this is where you got to understand, there's nothing wrong with wearing designer stuff. There's nothing wrong with having nice stuff. There's nothing wrong with wanting nice things, but you have to be able to afford it first. I used to guest teach in Detroit Public Schools. And when I used to teach there, it's a rough school district. I would talk to the kids about life, you know, motivation and entrepreneurship and money and success. And one of the things that I would ask is, how many of you have a job? Almost all of them raised their hand, saying that they had a job. My next follow-up question was, how many of you have a bank account? Nobody raised their hand. So I asked, you know, what do you do with your paycheck? They said, well, we get a physical check, then we go to the liquor store, we get it cashed. The liquor store owner takes one to 10%. Then you buy pop, candy, a bunch of junk on the way out.

• 19:31Jaspreet Singh?

  And by the time you're out of the store, you've already given away half of your paycheck. I call it a net zero thinking, where we think in terms of spending. If I have a thousand dollars, I can go out and buy this handbag, this nice thing. If I have 10 grand, I can go on this nice vacation. If I have 50 grand, I can go on and buy this nice car. We think in terms of spending because we think if I have this money, how can I spend it? Now, if you break away from that, and now you start creating a buffer and you don't spend all of your money, the next problem is, we save our money. Because for me, the only financial education that I was given was, save your money. Because if you're not spending it, now you are building up a big bank account. And if you have a big bank account, you'll be wealthy. But the reality is you will never be able to become wealthy through your savings.

• 20:14Jaspreet Singh?

  Your savings will never make you wealthy. And if you don't believe me, I'll give you just a mathematical term. Your savings right now are growing by essentially nothing. But let's just say 1%. And I'm being very, very generous here. If your savings grow by 1% and inflation is higher than 1%. And we can see now inflation is extremely high. But even before the 2020 pandemic, inflation was still higher than 1%. We were 2% or 3%. Inflation means that the value of your savings are dropping. So if inflation is higher than your savings, that means that your savings are losing value each and every day. Every day that you save your money in the bank, you are slowly becoming poorer each and every day. And most of us never see it happen. Now, this doesn't mean you shouldn't save any money.

• 20:59Jaspreet Singh?

  This just means you have to understand how to save your money strategically. Because wealthy people do not want to save all their money. They want to save their money for an emergency. They save their money for an investment, or they save their money for a big purchase. If it doesn't fall into one of those three things, you don't want to save your money. Because now you're saving money, your savings are just making you poorer each and every day. This brings me to then the second aspect, which is blindly following and trusting the system. And this one was the most difficult one for me. Because growing up, most of us, myself included, always told that if you want to become successful, go to school, get good grades, get a good job, climb the corporate ladder. For me, it was go to school, get good grades, get into medical school, become a doctor.

• 21:44Jaspreet Singh?

  I know you've heard similar stories before. Yeah. That was all that I was told. Since I was like a little baby, my parents would tell everybody, Jaspri is going to become a doctor. He's going to go out and do medicine, this and that. And that's what I was always told. And I was not really against it because I wanted to be successful. I saw how hard my parents worked since I was a kid. I always wanted to give back. And I was assumed that, okay, if I got good grades, I'll get into a good medical school. And if I do good in medical school, I'll be able to get a good. Job as a doctor and if I get a good job as a doctor, I'll be able to make more money. I thought it was all just linearly correlated. Your grades, your income, your grades, your success. That was one of the reasons why growing up, anything that was not medical or academic related, it was completely discouraged.

• 22:27Jaspreet Singh?

  And sometimes I think it's very difficult for someone to understand what does it mean that like, you know, your parents really wanted you to be a doctor because it wasn't like an option. Like this was the only option. And I think the best example that I can give of that was when I was in eighth grade, I was like, you know, 12 years old. My parents got me a tutor, not for the English class that I was on the verge of failing, not for the other stuff that I was studying for in eighth grade, but for the medical college admission test. The test you take in college to get into medical school, my parents got me a tutor for when I was in 12th grade. We didn't spend money on a lot of things. The only thing that parents were willing to spend money on were things related to academics to get me into medical school. And so here I am in 12th grade, I have an MCAT tutor coming to my house and he's like, wait,

• 23:09Jaspreet Singh?

  this is the kid that I'm teaching about medical school to get him into medical school? And like, that's how strict it was in my house. So I was checking all the boxes. I was doing good in school, I was studying hard, I was getting good grades. But then along the way, I realized that something wasn't adding up. When I was in high school, I was working at Indian weddings, I was playing a drum called the toll. And I got to meet a lot of the local Indian DJs that work at Indian weddings and we became friends. And they would say, you know, you have a lot of friends in high school, how about we start hosting teen parties in high school? Now, I couldn't tell my parents this because again, anything that's not, you know, medicine related, gonna get me into medical school, I can't tell them. So I would do this all on the side, even going to work at weddings, I had to kind of keep it all secret.

• 23:54Jaspreet Singh?

  And I was like, okay, let's do it, you know, it was fun for me. So I was 16 years old and I started hosting these teen parties at a local restaurant that just opened up and they wanted some exposure, so they let us do it there for free. And it was fun, but then I was like, you know, I know this is a hobby, I'm gonna go to college and I'm gonna become a doctor and this is all gonna become history. Well, I go to college, I'm 17, I don't know what to expect because my parents didn't go to university here. And I think that everybody goes to college, they spend their Friday nights in the chemistry lab, they all wanna become this big thing and they wanna spend all their time studying in college. And I get there and everybody is partying. Drinking, blowing money they don't have on all this stuff.

• 24:37Jaspreet Singh?

  Like, I don't party, I don't drink, I never drank, I didn't smoke. So for me, it was like a big shock. And I was like, this is weird. Like, this is not what I expected, but I still need something to do on Friday nights. So that entrepreneur side of my brain kicked in again. It was like, oh, let's bring this party business back to college. Because that's all I knew. So I was like, okay, so I'm seventeen, I start knocking on the doors of all the clubs, venues, bars, restaurants, asking if I can host party here. And again, I'm not a party person, I don't drink, I don't smoke. But this was the only hustle that I knew and, you know, I just didn't know much else. So eventually I found a club that would work with me and they didn't want to charge me anything. They will let me work on a essentially a commission basis that they'll take a percentage of the revenue that I bring in.

• 25:21Jaspreet Singh?

  And I said, okay, it doesn't cost me any money because I didn't have a lot of money. I started hosting these parties, but I still knew that this was just a hobby, something I'm doing because I was bored on weekends. Then I started studying to go into medical school. And this is where things really shifted because I had some cash saved up in the bank. And now this is like the bottom of the two thousand and eight crash. Because I was in high school when the two thousand and eight crash happened. Around twenty twelve was when I was studying for the MCAT. So real estate prices are at rock bottom and the markets are still really shaky. And I'm starting to study for the MCAT and I am bored out of my mind trying to study for this because I just wasn't very passionate about it. And so during my breaks, I would read business books and I would go on the Yahoo Finance and I would study what's going on in the markets just for fun.

• 26:07Jaspreet Singh?

  And I kept hearing about how real estate is at rock bottom on the news. And the business books that I read always said that wealthy people invested in real estate. I had no idea what that meant. I didn't know any real estate investors, I didn't know what real estate investing was, I didn't have investor people in my family, so I didn't know what that meant. So I was like, well, if wealthy people invest in real estate, maybe I should invest in real estate. So I brought up the idea to my dad, I was like, dad, I want to invest in real estate. He's like, shut up, you're stupid, go study and become a doctor. You can worry about all this other stuff after you become a doctor. And I was like, okay. Now, I just want to say, you know, I love my dad to death, my parents, this was just all they knew, they didn't have that financial education. But in the back of my mind, you know, I'm always like, you know, okay, what can I do?

• 26:50Jaspreet Singh?

  Maybe I don't got to tell my parents, I'll just do something else. I had a little bit of cash saved up in the bank from this party business that I was running. So I started looking at rental properties to buy. And I found this small condo on sale for eighty four hundred dollars. That was the price of the condo.

• 27:06Jay Shetty?

  That's wow.

• 27:07Jaspreet Singh?

  And that same condo a few years prior had sold for a hundred and fifty grand. So the two thousand and eight crash really decimated the real estate market in Michigan because Ford GM Chrysler were just hit so hard. And so I was like, okay, well, this is not a bad price. I can afford this. I made an offer for four thousand dollars and it was in foreclosure. The bank countered with seven thousand. And then I said, hmm, how about we settle at six grand? And we were trying to go back and forth. And then they said, well, we have another offer on the table. I didn't want to lose this deal because I'd already looked at a few. So I was like, okay, well, I'll make an offer for eight grand. So it was a bidding war. The other person offered less than eight grand, so I got the condo. So I bought the condo for eight thousand dollars, but a little bit of work into it.

• 27:50Jaspreet Singh?

  It was in pretty good shape and I got it rented out for six hundred dollars a month. Now I'm nineteen years old and I had no idea what I was doing. But all of a sudden, once I got it a little bit figured out, I was like, wait, this condo is paying me every single month and I don't have to go and host a party? I don't got to go to work. I was working at Auntie Anne's Pretzels a little bit before that. I was like, I don't got to flip pretzels, I don't got to host this party, I don't got to work at a wedding and it's paying me? Something doesn't make sense. Like, how come I was never told about this? Like, I was doing good in school. Like, I thought I was like smart. I thought I knew what I was doing. Turns out that there's a whole world of financial education that we're never taught.

• 28:28Jaspreet Singh?

  So now the traditional system is go to school, study hard, get good grades, get a good job, climb the corporate ladder. And now I'm starting to realize, wait, there's a different system here that none of us are ever taught, where the goal isn't to just get a job and climb the corporate ladder. What wealthy people are doing is they're working to own the corporate ladder. And I was like, I didn't even know that you could do that. Because now if you can own investments, if you can own assets, you own things that are going to be paying you without you having to physically work. And this is what wealthy people are working for. Yet, none of us are ever taught this. None of us are ever taught in school, how do you manage money? None of us are ever taught, how do you invest your money?

• 29:12Jaspreet Singh?

  None of us are ever taught, how do you build wealth? None of us are ever taught, how do you generate passive income? Yet, wealthy people are teaching their kids this, and they're able to figure it out because they have that education. But for the majority of us, we're not taught this. Unless you're willing to go out of your way. Now YouTube has made it a lot more accessible, thank God.

• 29:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 29:31Jaspreet Singh?

  Before YouTube, you had to go out of your way to read books and take classes. And, and it's tough. It's, I mean, it's much harder to read a 300-page book than it is to watch a 10-minute YouTube video.

• 29:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 29:41Jaspreet Singh?

  So that was a big turning factor for me, because that's when I started to realize that there's something different that you can do. So, the second habit that we talk about, you know, breaking away from that traditional system, asking the question, why? And then the third thing is understanding what money is. And, this is a very tough concept to understand. And, I guess the best example that I can give with this is kind of going back to the traditional Indian culture. Because in India, it's a very common thing that when somebody has extra cash, extra rupees, they want to convert these rupees to gold. It's why in India, a lot of gold is transacted during weddings, because they want to, they want to give money. And the way that they do that is through gold,

• 30:22Jaspreet Singh?

  because inherently, people understand that the rupee loses value. And, I don't think that people understand the why, or the ins and outs. It's just normal, that's just the culture. So people take the cash and they buy gold. And the reason why now we need to understand this here in our culture is because, when we think of money, there's two different aspects to it. There's a currency, which means something that we use to buy and sell things in exchange, and then there is the store of value. And many of us assume that our money is supposed to be a store of value, is supposed to keep its worth. But now, because of the 2020 pandemic and the 2021 inflation and the 2022 inflation, we're seeing that, oh my God, my savings don't buy me as much.

• 31:07Jaspreet Singh?

  My earnings are not stretching as far. And so we're starting to really realize here that maybe my dollars don't hold the same value. And so now it's understanding what is money? Well, there's two aspects. You have the currency aspect to buy and sell things, and then there's a store of value. What wealthy people understand is that money doesn't act as a very good store of value in today's day and age. So you want to take your money and convert it to something that is a store of value, or maybe something that's actually going to produce you income. This is like something that's so important for everyone to understand. And what's interesting is my first video to go viral was back in 2016. And in that video on my Minority Mindset channel, the reason why I think it went viral

• 31:51Jaspreet Singh?

  was because I talked about this whole idea of when you save all your cash in the bank, you're becoming poorer each and every day because back then inflation was between 2% and 3%, while your bank was paying you half a percent. So I said was, look, you're losing 2% to 3% of your cash's value every single day. So you need to do something with this money because your money is losing value. In 10 years, it's going to be worth less than it is today. Well, I didn't expect this 2020 pandemic to happen. I didn't expect all this craziness to happen. But now here we are with inflation significantly higher than 2% to 3%. And now people are really starting to understand that, whoa, what is my money? And you have to be able to understand this because this is the driving reason for why

• 32:35Jaspreet Singh?

  wealthy people don't want to save all their extra cash. You want to put your cash to work, which brings us now to the second side, right? What do wealthy people do? Well, the first thing you have to understand how money plays a part in your life, like we discussed, right? How does money impact your life? That way you don't go out and just start chasing money. Because one of the things that I realized was I started making way more money when I stopped chasing money. Because when you're chasing money, you're chasing something that's illusory, it's just fake, it's just, it doesn't even feel good. And you're not going to be able to put your full self into it. But then the second thing, on the more financial side. Is what do you do with that money?

• 33:15Jaspreet Singh?

  And one of the things that I realized is what wealthy people want is this thing called equity. And this is where you have a lot of benefits in America because you can't do this in a lot of countries. So if you think about the traditional American dream, which is changing now, but the traditional American dream was you can work hard, buy a home, have a car. But the whole idea of buying a home, the reason why this was the American dream was because if you can buy a home, you can work over the years to pay it off. And now you have equity in your home. And now you have this sort of generational wealth that you can pass down. You have an asset. Well, the traditional American dream is now an American nightmare with the high cost of homeownership,

• 33:59Jaspreet Singh?

  with wages not keeping up with the cost of living. However, that doesn't mean that the American dream is dead. It's just changed. So what is this new idea of the American dream? Well, if you go back to the root core of equity, this is the real dream of wealth and something that you can build for yourself and for your family and for generations is if you have equity. Now, how do I explain this? Well, if you think about any company, especially in a bigger company, it's easy to understand. There's two people, two types of people that are involved. You have the workers and you have the owners. The workers are working for a salary. You go to work every single day, you get a paycheck, you're getting a salary.

• 34:42Jaspreet Singh?

  The owners of the company are not getting paid a salary. They're getting paid in profits. They want the company to make bigger profits so that they can make more money. Now, there is some overlap between the workers and the owners. If you are a founder, you're probably an owner as well. The CEO might have some ownership and some newer companies, you'll give equity to the workers as well. But when you have equity, you're getting the profits of a company. Everybody in America in this system needs to be a business owner if you want to become successful. Now, the one thing that I want to caveat that with is the majority of people should not try to start a business and the majority of people should not try to operate a business. Now, you might say, Jaspreet, you just said everybody should be a business owner.

• 35:27Jaspreet Singh?

  How does that make any sense? Well, you can own a business without working for the business. And now this is the question of what are you doing with your salary?

• 35:43Jay Shetty?

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• 36:26Jay Shetty?

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• 38:27Jay Shetty?

  Codie Sanchez exposes a dangerous illusion. People looking wealthy, while secretly, two thirds of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Our feeds show luxury, but the reality is struggle. Most people don't fail or fall behind because their intentions are bad. They fail because they avoid risk. As Cody explains, our culture dodges rejection and failure. But in doing so, we also dodged the chance to build lasting wealth. Cody's advice is refreshingly practical. If you don't have money yet, your first investment should be in yourself. Your skills, your knowledge, your resilience. The roadmap is clear. Invest in you, start simple with diversified index funds.

• 39:10Jay Shetty?

  Move into private investments when you're ready and then build or buy a business of your own. Through it all, remember to not chase Instagram wealth. The real flex is peace of mind, freedom of time, and knowing your money is working for you instead of the other way around.

• 39:26Codie Sanchez?

  If you want to make a lot of money in business, you also need somebody who, they call them the visionary, right? The person who has all the ideas, the crazy things, and then you have. Your executor, which is often called your implementer. And so if you only have vision, but you have no execution, you will fail and make no money. If you only have execution, but you have no vision, you will play small games for life. And so there's a, there's a great book actually called, have you read How to, How to Make a Few Billion Dollars?

• 39:52Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 39:53Codie Sanchez?

  It's a good book. It's by this guy, Brad Jacobs. If you could get him on the podcast, I will listen. I've been trying to. I don't know if he's your style, but he's, well, actually he might be. He was like, he's a multi billionaire hedge fund manager and, and private equity investor. And he started off as a jazz musician and that was going to be his calling. So he really likes like dissonant noises and like, how do you pull things together and sort of make them play like a jazz musician? Anyway, he's bought all of these companies. He's massively successful. But he always talks about what makes a great deal. If you want to make a lot of money, you've got to pick the right deal. And there's sort of four types of deals. You could think about it like a quadrant. You could have a low risk and you could also have a low reward deal. That's actually most deals in life, right? That's like stay in your same job, don't take risks, et cetera.

• 40:37Codie Sanchez?

  The problem is you're not going to make much money. Then you have a high risk, high reward deal. Well, that could be like investing in an El Salvadoranian power plant. Okay. It's just so likely to fail that even though it's super high profit, we, we probably want to stay away from those. And then you have sort of the, the golden child, which is how can we have high reward, low risk? Well, not many of those exist, right? That would be a unicorn. So what we're really looking for is where is there a big hairy problem that has the right amount of risk? And if we can find that, then we have profit. And so now they call it hair on a deal. That's like, you know, investing in terms, you want to look for those hairy deals where you think, oh, that level of risk is manageable.

• 41:22Codie Sanchez?

  And in our culture, for some reason, I think we've gone into risk off.

• 41:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 41:25Codie Sanchez?

  God, we don't even want the risk of asking somebody a question at a bar, you know, more or less starting a, a business. And that's a problem. I mean, the, the SBA has fascinating data. Do you know there are more small businesses that close each year than open in the U.S.?

• 41:41Jay Shetty?

  No way.

• 41:42Codie Sanchez?

  More closed than open. And so we have people taking way less risk than we think. And that means you'll never make as much money. That crazy?

• 41:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. All right. Let's talk about that in terms of investing. If someone's thinking that because it cut exactly what you're talking about right now, this risk reward profile. If someone has never invested in anything, they're working their job. They've got a little bit of money. Maybe if they've got a thousand dollars to start thinking about investing. Maybe they've got a bit more. Maybe they've been saving up and they're thinking that home that they want to buy is a long, long, long, long, long way away, but they got a little bit. Where should they invest?

• 42:22Codie Sanchez?

  If you have only a little bit of cash, the best returning asset class of all time is going to be you. Put the money into you, learning first, before you go to invest. A lot of days, a lot of people these days will say, hey, it's Airbnb. Hey, it's buying small businesses. Hey, it's real estate. The highest performing asset class that you could ever have is you because you have unlimited upside and it compounds over time. And so if you don't have a lot of cash right now, bet on you first before you go bet on somebody in the S and P. Now, after that next amount, I believe, because I'm old school, I started at Vanguard. I believe if you're reasonable, you probably agree with me. Like, do we think that we're going to beat the best stock pickers in the world who obsess on this every single day? Are we going to beat the titans of industry with their technology? No.

• 43:07Codie Sanchez?

  So that's why I always go for low cost, low movement, so they don't trade a lot, index funds. I worked at Vanguard, they have the best cost structure. So I throw things in the S and P 500 in a diversified portfolio.

• 43:19Jay Shetty?

  How does someone do that? Someone who's totally new to this.

• 43:22Codie Sanchez?

  You go to Vanguard.com. You have no fees on their trading platform. In my opinion, avoid anything where you're buying individual stocks when you don't know, unless you're doing it purely for learning and you're okay with losing everything. And you go to Vanguard.com and you select a diversified portfolio. It's cool too, because they'll actually help you do it based on your age and based on how much risk you want to take. So they'll have a 60 40 portfolio, which is like 60% stocks and 40% bonds. If you're our age, for instance, if somebody's a little younger, they'll go 80 20 because you should take more risk with stocks when you're young. So you can literally in one click, get a diversified portfolio and then you can add to it. You could also use like a wealth front for that.

• 44:03Jay Shetty?

  What's a diversified portfolio for someone who doesn't know?

• 44:06Codie Sanchez?

  That means that you, you would never want to have all your eggs in one basket and anything in life, but certainly. Certainly in investing. And so that means that they're going to give you stocks and bonds. It means they're going to give you emerging markets versus the US. So let's say India, China, Russia, Brazil, and the US stock market. And it means that typically over time, you know, that there's these charts you can see in finance where it kind of looks like, looks like a grid and on and on, all of these different colors. And what do all the coverers represent that have no pattern to it? Every single year looks different. They represent every asset class you could invest in from bonds to stocks to Chilean stocks to short-term money markets. And what you see over time is in every single market, everything moves.

• 44:49Codie Sanchez?

  And so what you want to have is a portfolio that over time averages somewhere around 10%. That's the average cost of inflation, how your money, really, if you don't invest it, every single year that you don't invest, you lose money. Say you took a $100 bill right here and I had it right in front of me. And I looked at that bill since the beginning of the Federal Reserve, which is the government institute that mandates or manages all of our currency in the US. So if I go all the way back to the 70s and I look at it today, what do I see? I see that that $100 bill, if I just held it from then to now, is worth about 25 bucks. It's not worth 100 anymore. Why? Because of inflation. And so if we don't invest our money and we stick it under our mattress,

• 45:30Codie Sanchez?

  then sadly, the government eats away at it every single year, both sides, politically agnostic. And so we got to make sure that we put our money somewhere. That's why the stock market over time is usually what most people do.

• 45:41Jay Shetty?

  Okay, makes a lot of sense. And what's the difference between a stock and a bond?

• 45:44Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, so stocks and bonds, 101. I think about stocks like a ability for you to have future upside of a company. So you are betting in a way on a company. You're saying today, the price of Amazon is $10. I think in the future, the price of Amazon will be $15. I want to go for that ride. It's called upside return. With a bond, what are you doing instead? You're saying, I actually want income. It's like a certificate. If I give you 100 bucks, I promise you, over the next five years, I'm going to give you 120 back. You're not going to make more if the bond that you invest in. Goes up or down in price, you're just going to clip coupons is what they're called. It used to be like that. So you're clipping the coupon.

• 46:28Codie Sanchez?

  And the reason we want both of those is because, again, you want when the stock market crashes, you want your bond to still be clipping those coupons, baby, still coming in. When the stock market's raging, you want to capture some of that upside. And that's how we play right there in the middle of investing.

• 46:43Jay Shetty?

  Is there a stage three? So we did stage one is you, stage two is S and P. What's a stage three?

• 46:49Codie Sanchez?

  Stage three is private. So if you're a real pro and you want to go for three of investing, that's where we start to do private equity. That's just investing in those same companies. But instead of them being traded publicly, those companies are now held by private investors. They'll never trade on a stock exchange. That also includes things like you can have alternative investments. That might be in investing in direct in real estate or investing in commodities, which would be like timber, right? You could bet on timber prices. That might be like equity and options. I think this generation got a little crazy because they were the first generation to gamify stock market investing and make it seem fun as opposed to serious.

• 47:32Codie Sanchez?

  And they were the first generation that got easy access to things like options and warrants. And that's really actually only for pros. So I think anybody who's trying to tell you how to day trade, anybody who's trying to tell you how to do options, that strategy, think about that. Like somebody trying to tell you, let me teach you over the course of a couple hours of me speaking to you, how to cut open somebody's brain. We just wouldn't do that. This is for pros. And if you really want to make real money, you don't do it by messing around at the margins of financial investing in my mind. You do it by becoming the company that they invest in, which is stage four. So that's when you're like, I buy the business outright. I raise money for my own business. And that's the next level of the game.

• 48:13Jay Shetty?

  That's so great. I love that. Step by step, because I feel for so many people, it just feels like this unorganized, messy, wild, wild west. And now it's like, wait a minute, stage one, stage two, stage three, stage four. I love those. Going back to stage two of the S and P.

• 48:30Jay Shetty?

  What percentage of someone's income should they be looking to put into the S and P?

• 48:35Codie Sanchez?

  There's lots of rules around this, but I believe in you pay yourself first. And by you pay yourself first, what I mean is you think about your investments just like you would a need, not a want. So every single month, I believe in automatic investing. I've done it my entire career. Vanguard taught me that you get really lucky in finance. They teach you how to invest so that it becomes a habit, not a possibility. You don't wake up unless you're gross and not brush your teeth. Right? You just brush your teeth because you're not gross. And so for investing, I think about it the same way. It's like you automatically set up your payments. So a little bit goes every time. I believe you want to have at least 10% of the money that you make go into investing. There's lots of different rules. People could play it either way, but I think pay yourself first because otherwise you'll never pay yourself at all.

• 49:19Codie Sanchez?

  And give yourself at least 10% because we want to beat inflation every single year. And if you do those two things, you are better than about 90% of people that don't do that.

• 49:28Jay Shetty?

  10% off the tax. That's just such a great goal for people. And you start thinking about it and you go, oh, what am I spending dumb money on? You know, like, what do you see people wasting money on?

• 49:39Codie Sanchez?

  You know what the biggest thing is? People waste money on looking rich instead of being rich. And that is a cultural phenomenon that I think is eroding our wealth as society. I mean, perfect example here. Coachella, we know because we're on the inside that the dirty secret of Coachella and everybody that you see on there is that most influencers are one, paid to go. Two, given free tickets. Three, flown out for free. Four, they actually have warehouses where you can pick out the clothes because that part's expensive and you get the clothes for free. Or if you're a real pro, they'll pay you to wear the clothes and give you the clothes for free. And so this entire experience for the few who become, because we're all, we just desire what other people have. That's how humans are. They're not paying anything for a thing that costs thousands and thousands and thousands

• 50:23Codie Sanchez?

  and thousands of dollars. Well, the problem is, is that the average Coachella main ticket holder, about sixty-four percent of them couldn't afford their ticket. So they had to do buy now, pay later options.

• 50:33Jay Shetty?

  Really?

• 50:34Codie Sanchez?

  This year, they offered buy now, pay later. And that is just for the ticket. That's not for the clothes, and that's not for the food, and that's not for the drinks. And so we are basically having credit card debt which lasts forever as a trade for Instagram posts which last for a minute. And so the number one thing that you can do to change your financial future is to not buy into what you see on the internet everybody else doing, which is why I really respect what you do. And I try to do it online, too. Sure, we have nice things now. Sometimes you'll catch it in places because I won't really tell, but you don't see me flashing nice watches. You don't see me having nice cars. You don't see me posting about private planes. Why? That's not really necessary. And all

• 51:16Codie Sanchez?

  you are signaling is that that is what success is. That is not what success is. Those are just accoutrements that could be fun if you're into it once you're rich.

• 51:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:25Codie Sanchez?

  But I promise you, I've met so many unhappy motherfuckers who have private jets.

• 51:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. No, and I really appreciate that you saying that because I think for me it was the same thing. I didn't, I never wanted, I mean, when I started, I didn't have anything to show, but I didn't want someone to follow me for what I had. I wanted them to follow me for what I was saying and doing and living. And that, to me, always felt like that means anyone could do it. And as soon as it became, and also it was never about getting the thing even for me. So if you make it about getting the thing, then the thing you do to get it, you don't love. Whereas my thing is, I love the game. I love what I'm doing. And same as you, and it goes back to where we started, where it's like, if you love the game, if you respect the rules, if you love what you do, then all of these things are a byproduct. They're wonderful, but they're never the goal, they're never the destination, they're never the thing that you wanted. That's not what drove you there.

• 52:15Codie Sanchez?

  It's, it's so true. And they'll, they'll all be taken from you at very points, you know? And so I think about it a little bit like beauty, you know? I'm, I'm getting older, and I've tried to, on the internet, never make it about how I look one way or the other, if I'm fit or not, if I'm... In sexy outfits or not, why? Because I'm gonna get old. I know what the future looks like. And it's old and wrinkly and saggy tits and all the things, right? And that's cool. Doesn't matter. And so if I can like prepare now that maybe people listen because I might have something valuable to say, they don't still have something valuable to say when I'm 80, as long as I'm still with it. And I think it's the same with stuff. You know, somebody could take that from you, but they cannot take ever. Nobody but God can take all the lessons that you've learned while running this business.

• 52:57Codie Sanchez?

  Nobody but God could take the relationships that you've built from this business. But many things, including the market, could take everything that sits around us. And so I try to remember that so that I never anchor to it.

• 53:17Jay Shetty?

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• 56:24Jay Shetty?

  When Lewis Howes joined me, he didn't talk about spreadsheets. He talked about experiments. He challenged us to treat money like a relationship, set an intention, stay open to possibility, and practice gratitude when it shows up, even if it's just a penny on a subway step. He shares a simple practice. I'm a magnet for money. Money comes to me abundantly and freely. Not as magic thinking, but as a way to train your attention, to notice opportunities, receive them and act. Lewis's message is simple. Treat money with respect, live beneath your means and focus on really feeling abundant. That's true wealth. Set intentions, do the work and don't chase easy money.

• 57:09Jay Shetty?

  Build skills, serve others and let effort compound. When you heal your money wounds, you don't just attract opportunities, you're ready to receive them. What do you have to say to people who are saying that you can manifest money? Do you agree with that idea of?

• 57:23Lewis Howes?

  It's an interesting story. I was in New York last week and I said to myself, and I have a lot of these different exercises and games in the book, to just give people as social experiments. I think it's really powerful to give yourself experiment. Because I think when you experiment, you allow yourself to explore possibilities. And when you create an experiment for yourself, you allow for the idea of magic to enter your life. So I want you to just, as you're watching or listening, I want you to say, I allow for magic and abundance to manifest in my life. I'm going to create a possibility that this can happen in my life. A moment, a synchronicity, someone might call me out of the blue. Someone might hand me money randomly. I'm going to allow for this moment to happen and this magic to happen.

• 58:08Lewis Howes?

  So I said to myself, I want to follow my own practices, right? And I went to see our friend Mel Robbins in Boston. And then I was in New York for a few days. And I just said to myself, money comes to me abundantly and freely. And I see it everywhere. I just said this to myself every morning when I woke up. And when I went out of the hotel, I said, money comes to me abundantly and freely and I see it everywhere. And I'm a magnet for money. I'm a magnet for money. I just kept saying this energy, I'm a magnet for money. I was just playful, this social experiment. And when I was at Mel's, a penny dropped on the floor. Someone was carrying a box and a penny fell and I said, oh, look, money comes to me. I see it everywhere. It was a penny. And there's a point to this story and I pick it up and I say, Mel, do you want this?

• 58:50Lewis Howes?

  And she goes, no, it's yours. And I go, thank you. I receive because when I relax, I receive. And I'm a magnet for money. Even if it was a penny, I could notice it. And I was like, all right, it came to me. See, here's a win. Here's a little win. Let me do this again. The next day I go to New York City and I'm in the subway. It's freezing right now in New York. It's like 15 degrees. And I'm just saying this to myself in the subway and as I get off the subway, I go up the stairs. And it's fricking filthy in the New York subway, right? And the stairs are dirty and I see a penny heads up. And I thought to myself, this is filthy. This is dirty. It's not valuable. It's not enough money. I don't need to pick this up. But I was like, no, I'm doing this experiment. Money comes to me abundantly and freely. I'm a magnet for money and I'm going to manifest money, right?

• 59:35Lewis Howes?

  And so I see it's heads up. I pick it up, put it in my pocket and I just say, thank you, money for coming to me. The next day I put it on my bedside table. I don't think anything of it. The next day I wake up and I look at this penny and I said, because I'm doing this experiment every day. I'm a magnet for money. Money comes to me abundantly and freely. And I look at it as a reminder, these two pennies. Look, this is a reminder that money came to me. Maybe it's not thousands of dollars or millions of dollars. It's not something that's magically right here, but it's a reminder that something is possible. And I flipped over this one, oh no, I looked at the penny because it was heads up. And I noticed something. I go, oh, that's really interesting. It said 1945 on this penny. That's an 80 year old penny.

• 1:00:18Lewis Howes?

  I go, huh, that's unique. I haven't seen a penny that old in a long time. And I flip it over and I notice something and I get chills thinking about it. I notice it's a wheat penny. I don't know if you know what a wheat penny is. So a wheat penny looks different than a normal penny. It's got like two stalks of wheat on the outside of the penny. It's this old penny. And I look it up and I Google 1945 wheat penny value.

• 1:00:44Lewis Howes?

  And one just sold, I kid you not, I get chills thinking about it. One just sold, guess for how much?

• 1:00:49Jay Shetty?

  I have no idea.

• 1:00:50Lewis Howes?

  Four thousand dollars.

• 1:00:52Jay Shetty?

  No way.

• 1:00:52Lewis Howes?

  Online. One sold for four thousand dollars. Now, it's all based on the condition and all these different things like, who knows? Maybe it's worth twenty dollars. Maybe it's worth five thousand dollars. Maybe it's worth a hundred dollars. But the idea is that there was more value inside of that penny than what met the eye originally.

• 1:01:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:10Lewis Howes?

  And the experiment of, let me be open to possibilities for money to come to me. And what I thought was two pennies might be two thousand dollars. And all I had to do was be willing to look for it.

• 1:01:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Lewis Howes?

  Be willing to pick it up and say, I receive, thank you. If I didn't look for it, if I didn't set that intention, if I didn't see the possibilities in front of me, I may not have received that penny that could have been worth thousands. And it's the same thing in life. We may not see the opportunity in front of us right now. We may not reach out to the people we already know and say, hey, this is what I'm looking to create in my life. I have these skills, I have these talents. Is there anything that you need right now that I can be of service for you with?

• 1:01:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:53Lewis Howes?

  And that's for that first year, how you created multiple six figures in that first year when you had nothing, was reaching out to hundreds of people. That was you either setting the intention, seeing that there might be possibilities, and doing the work to manifest hundreds of thousands that first six months. So by doing that effort, setting the intention, by saying, I'm open to possibilities. I'm open to receiving opportunities that come to me, but I have to be willing to look for them. I have to be willing to ask for them. I have to be willing to put myself out there and receive and say, yes, thank you. I will do this work. And that's what I think people need to be thinking about. Can you manifest millions? Yes, if you're willing to set a clear intention, if you're willing to reach out and say, here's what I'm willing to offer and add value in.

• 1:02:38Lewis Howes?

  I want to help you achieve these goals. You're creating more potential to manifest money.

• 1:02:43Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that penny story because I'll tell you a bit about what I do. And I do a similar thing and it comes from my tradition, so.

• 1:02:51Lewis Howes?

  Do you have a money mantra?

• 1:02:52Jay Shetty?

  Not, we don't say something, but I'll tell you about it, yeah. So there's a. So in our tradition, there's a god or a goddess for each aspect of society.

• 1:03:03Lewis Howes?

  Money.

• 1:03:03Jay Shetty?

  And so there is god, as in there's, there's one god, but then there's loads of different gods for different departments of society, kind of like you have a president or a prime minister, and then you have like the cabinet and that.

• 1:03:14Lewis Howes?

  Who's the money god?

• 1:03:15Jay Shetty?

  So it's a goddess called Lakshmi.

• 1:03:17Lewis Howes?

  Lakshmi.

• 1:03:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and Lakshmi means wealth or fortune.

• 1:03:20Lewis Howes?

  It's like luxury almost, yeah, it's like Lakshmi, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:22Jay Shetty?

  Maybe that's where it comes from, who knows? But Lakshmi is the goddess of fortune or the goddess of wealth. And so you would never, ever put your foot on a goddess. So whenever you're walking the streets and you see pennies around, you're never meant to just walk past them, you're actually meant to pick them up and put them to your head. So that's kind of like part of our culture. And so whenever I'm walking around the streets of New York or LA, wherever I am on subways, I do the same thing.

• 1:03:45Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 1:03:45Jay Shetty?

  I'll always pick it up. And it's really funny because someone who's with me will be like, what are you doing? Like, you know, like, why are you doing that? I'm like, because I'm showing respect. I'm actually showing respect to the goddess of fortune.

• 1:03:56Lewis Howes?

  So good, man.

• 1:03:57Jay Shetty?

  And so that's what it is, is like I'm showing respect to the goddess of fortune by picking it up, and usually you give that money to charity or whatever it may be, it's not, it's not you trying to keep on it, you may give it away, whatever. But the point is, you're saying, I'm not disrespecting the goddess of fortune wherever I see her.

• 1:04:12Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:04:13Jay Shetty?

  Because I want to have a respectful relationship with money. I actually really love practices like that, because I think it goes back to the point you're making, that we have a relationship with everything.

• 1:04:24Lewis Howes?

  Everything.

• 1:04:24Jay Shetty?

  You have a relationship with your body, you have a relationship with your mind, you have a relationship with your partner, and you have a relationship with money. And so speaking to money and speaking about money is something you have to do if you want to love that thing and you want it to love you back, right? If you never talk about your partner and you never talk to your partner, how are they going to love you and how are you going to love them?

• 1:04:44Lewis Howes?

  Imagine you're, you know, Roddy, for the next month, you never say thank you.

• 1:04:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Lewis Howes?

  You never look her in the eyes. You never speak to her. You avoid her constantly. Imagine like your relationship's going to suffer, you know, I'm sure you guys will figure it out, but imagine that's a lifetime of a relationship. It cannot survive. And here's a great question that I want everyone to ask themselves, and another exercise that I want everyone to think about right now, whether you're watching or listening, I want you to comment on the YouTube below, what opened up for you during this moment? And I'm going to give you the exercise, Jay. So imagine this door opens.

• 1:05:21Lewis Howes?

  And it's a person and this person is money. It's the idea of money.

• 1:05:26Jay Shetty?

  Lakshmi.

• 1:05:27Lewis Howes?

  It's a person that walks in, right? Is money. And could you, as an example, for people to imagine this as well? What does that person look like when they come in? What would you do? What would you say or not say? Could you, could you share kind of what that would be like for you? Money, a person walks in, they are money. They're the representation of your relationship with money. How would you show up and react?

• 1:05:53Jay Shetty?

  So in our culture, because it would be Lakshmi walking in, I'll show you a visual of her afterwards. You would actually bow down. Like you'd have that, and that's a sign of respect, not a sign of surrender or subjugation, but a sign of respect, like you'd bow. You'd offer her whatever she wanted, like you'd be like, what, what do you need? Like, what would you like? What would you, would you like a place to sit? Kind of like a guest in your home.

• 1:06:15Lewis Howes?

  Like a generous host.

• 1:06:16Jay Shetty?

  You treat them like a guest in your home. Yeah, like what would you like? Can you, can I get you something to drink? You know, whatever it may be. Obviously, she's a goddess, she doesn't need anything. But the point is, that's how the hospitality would still be carried through.

• 1:06:28Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:06:29Jay Shetty?

  And then you'd thank her as well. Like there, you'd start every connection with a, with a god or a goddess with gratitude. There'd be like a, a genuine appreciation and an ability to share how you feel. Like I think being vulnerable and saying, hey, like, it's been really tough this month. Like, I'm really struggling right now. Like, this is what I'm going through. I need your help, like a prayer almost.

• 1:06:51Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 1:06:51Jay Shetty?

  Of sorts.

• 1:06:52Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful. And I asked, I've been asking a lot of people this. And so I love to hear people's responses and be honest in the YouTube comments below of your relationship with money. I asked someone close to me, uh, someone younger, probably in their late twenties. I asked them, you know, if money walked in and you were at a party, how would you respond? And they said, I would run to the bar. I would not make eye contact. I would gossip behind their back to other people there about money. I would look down at them, but then I would use them and abuse them because I would really need money and I would ghost them afterwards. And I go, and I go, wow. And they were like, yeah, I know, it's really bad. But they're being honest.

• 1:07:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:32Lewis Howes?

  So I want people to be honest, like, what is your relationship with money? And just imagine.

• 1:07:36Jay Shetty?

  That's crazy.

• 1:07:36Lewis Howes?

  If you were money and someone treated you that way? If they wouldn't look at you, they avoid you, they speak poorly behind your back, they would use and abuse you when they wanted you, and then they ghost you when they didn't want to talk to you. Do you think money would want to keep showing up in your life?

• 1:07:51Jay Shetty?

  Definitely.

• 1:07:51Lewis Howes?

  If they were a person?

• 1:07:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:07:53Lewis Howes?

  If they were a person, would they want to be in your life? Where they feel, no, this isn't a good relationship for me. And your show is all about helping people get healed, healthy and whole. And if you want to create a richer, more abundant life, you have to create a healthy relationship with money in your life. And look at it as if this was a love of my life. Not in a worshiping, like I worship it no matter what, but more of like, this is a bit like a person that I love and I want to treat them with care. I want to be a great host. How can I show up? And it doesn't mean it's always going to be perfect, but how can I show up and be generous, be kind, be patient, listen, be aware and be of service to it?

• 1:08:36Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I think it makes a huge difference.

• 1:08:38Lewis Howes?

  Huge difference. I'm not saying you haven't had a beautiful, abundant, peaceful life as well with money, but I would bet to say that you've also experienced stress and overwhelm with money.

• 1:08:49Jay Shetty?

  For sure.

• 1:08:50Lewis Howes?

  More than having no money. And a lot of people get blocked because they know that like, oh, more money, more problems is another like money lie, right? Or money like wound that people might have. Like, I don't want to make more money because I see people who do have money. They're constantly stressed. They're not generous with it. They're stingy. They don't even tip at all. They're even more stingy with it and they have it. So what's the point of having it if they're not generous? I don't want to be like that. And there can be money traps or money wounds when you have money. If you haven't learned how to heal that relationship. And so it's learning how to heal the relationship so that when you grow your net worth, you also increase your self-worth inside and feel peaceful about it.

• 1:09:31Lewis Howes?

  You expand your nervous system, your container to receive abundantly so that it's not scary, it's not stressful. You can receive more and you can give more because you know that the more you relax, the more you receive. And when you give, it's going to come back in some way. I struggled with that. My first six, seven, eight years of making money, I hoarded money because I was afraid to go broke again.

• 1:09:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:54Lewis Howes?

  And it limited me in certain ways and it made me feel stressful. And it made me feel like people were trying to take advantage of me and take my money. It doesn't feel rich, having money.

• 1:10:05Lewis Howes?

  And living in scarcity still.

• 1:10:06Jay Shetty?

  There was a beautiful thing that we'd always repeat in the monastery. It was like, God doesn't see what you give. God sees what you hold back. And so there's not this, you know, because we can sometimes become egotistical about how much we give. And it's like, well, you've got one hand behind your back. And that's, you just made that point. It's that, it's that pinch. It's that, are you giving where there's a challenge to give?

• 1:10:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Jay Shetty?

  Because that's where we're healing. You can get really egotistical, like, hey, if you were worth a billion and you signed a million dollar check, like I've, I know people that are making three million in interest a day. Like, so you writing a million dollar check is not the same. This also applies when you have very little. So my parents who didn't make a lot, when they were giving.

• 1:10:50Lewis Howes?

  It felt a lot like a lot.

• 1:10:51Jay Shetty?

  It felt like a lot. And so like, what we're saying is that, that this thought of being a giver has to be core to us.

• 1:10:59Lewis Howes?

  You know, my dad was a lot like that too. He had strangers knocking on the door that somehow convinced him to, to stay with us for like, three months in the summer, uh, who were, and he just opened his doors and said, yes, like, okay. And so, he was just like, like your parents, like, okay, you need a place to stay for a week, a month, two months? Cool. We'll figure it out. We'll feed you. We'll do this as long as we feel like you're doing something good and we're trying to support you. And I think it's, you don't have to give money to feel rich.

• 1:11:26Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:11:26Lewis Howes?

  You can be venerous, generous with your time, with your resources in other ways, with your food. It's like, you can give in other ways and create a richness of life. And that's the key, is to feel rich and abundant and free. And if you feel that, when you start making money, you're going to continue to feel free. The biggest trap is when you feel scarce and you start making money and you still feel trapped. You still don't feel free. That isn't even greater prison in my mind, that you're living in scarcity when you have money.

• 1:12:00Jay Shetty?

  I mean, there's so many people right now that have the pressure to save money because we've been talking about making money.

• 1:12:05Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:12:06Jay Shetty?

  But there's this pressure to save money. And how do you find that balance between spending comfortably? If you have the ability versus like saving for your future or your family, like, how do you think about that version?

• 1:12:17Lewis Howes?

  Well, I think when you can live beneath your means and feel abundant, you've won. So when you live beneath your means and you don't need extra stuff, you've won. I just watched, um, The Count of Monte Cristo, the other night. It's an incredible movie of a guy who has nothing. Who was born by, you know, back in the, I don't know, seventeen hundreds or something. It's a period piece. He was born of like a clerk, a guy who makes no money. And his friend was born of like some general who had a lot of money or something. And this poor kid that grew up friends didn't have anything, but he had the world. He had no money, no possessions, but he just approached life as like, man,

• 1:13:01Lewis Howes?

  but here's a piece of string, here's a rock that I can play with. Like, I can just imagine the beauty of the world and he appreciated everything, even though he had no money. And I think in some ways, it's so hard to look at that when we see Instagram and TikTok, where everyone has things. That's the hard part, yeah. When you see everyone else having fun with money and going on that trip with their girlfriends, or buying that expensive car to show up to their guy friends, or getting the nice watches, or having the cool shoes. And you're thinking, oh, if I could really have money, then I could have these things that would make me feel cool or feel better. But if we can approach life and just be like, man, life is so good with what I have. That is true wealth.

• 1:13:44Lewis Howes?

  That is true abundance and happiness. And it doesn't mean you shouldn't strive to create more if you want more. If you want to have nice shoes or a nice watch, cool. You've got to learn how to make money. And you want to learn how to make money easy, not make money hard. And that, that is a process in developing these skills, these talents within you, and seeing how you can monetize those skills. And I'm not saying don't splurge on certain things if you want to, but you have to understand the consequences. If you're going to splurge on something to have fun with friends or go on trips and spend this money that you maybe don't have, just know there might be a consequence to that later. If you have to use a credit card, you have to pay that debt with interest later.

• 1:14:26Lewis Howes?

  So just know there's a cost to splurging or doing, spending when you don't have it. I'm a big fan of saving and investing so that you can have freedom in the future and feel rich continually and not needing to buy things to feel richer. Yeah. What about this idea of?

• 1:14:47Jay Shetty?

  I want to make money quick.

• 1:14:48Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:48Jay Shetty?

  Like, I just want to make a million dollars in a week. I want to find that hack that solves my money problems. Like, what's your take on that? Is that possible?

• 1:14:56Lewis Howes?

  I've got money wounds and it's because I wanted to make easy money in my past, not make money easy. And I don't know anyone that doesn't want to make easy money. Like, our ego wants it to come to us now. And when you find a quick hack or the quick investment that's got a 10x in two months, sure, there's always outliers that figure out a way to do that. But every time I've tried to do that, I've lost my money. And it's been painful. And I'm like, okay, I think I've learned that lesson. But there's this new, like, quick, easy money opportunity. And every time I do it again, I'm like, what was I thinking?

• 1:15:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:32Lewis Howes?

  You see that others act like there's a way to do it so easy. If you just invest in crypto, if you just invest in this, if you just do this thing, you're going to make quick and easy money. I don't know anyone who's made hundreds of millions, millions or billions, who's lived that way. They might have invested and gone all in on one business and created generational wealth. Or maybe they went all in on investing in one main stock that ended up 10 or 20 X-ing over time. But going the quick, make easy money way doesn't usually work. And it's painful lessons you have to live afterwards.

• 1:16:09Jay Shetty?

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