LOVE EXPERT Stephan Speaks: 7 Ways You are Blocking Yourself From Meeting Your Soulmate (Change Your Patterns to Find the ONE)

Do you think your “type” limits you? What’s one unrealistic dating expectation you’ve had? Today, Jay welcomes back one of the most insightful voices in modern dating and relationships, Stephan Speaks. If you’ve been searching for clarity in love, struggling with self-worth in dating, or wondering why you keep attracting the wrong partners, this conversation is a must-listen. Jay and Stephan kick off by breaking down one of the biggest struggles in today’s dating world—the negative perception of men and women. They explore how sensationalized online narratives and personal biases shape our beliefs about relationships, often distorting reality. Stephan explains how social media and exaggerated dating horror stories create unnecessary fear and distrust, making it harder for people to embrace love. If you’ve ever felt like you’re stuck in a cycle of failed relationships, Stephan reveals that understanding yourself first is the key to finding the right partner. He emphasizes three critical factors: first, accepting the differences between men and women instead of resisting them; second, knowing yourself before entering a relationship, as many people struggle because they aren’t even clear on what they truly need; and third, prioritizing healing, because unresolved pain from past experiences will continue to affect every new connection. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Stop Letting Dating Myths Mislead You How to Attract the Right Partner by Knowing Yourself How to Heal Before Your Next Relationship How to Communicate With a Closed-Off Partner How to Break the Cycle of Failed Relationships If you’ve felt frustrated, discouraged, or like love just isn’t in the cards for you, remember this: the right relationship isn’t something you chase, it’s something you attract by becoming the best version of yourself. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Join over 750,000 people to receive my most transformative wisdom directly in your inbox every single week with my free Monk Mode newsletter. Subscribe here. What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:28 The Difference Between Average Men and Women 11:30 Why Men Often Don't Date Ambitious Women 17:28 Understand Who Your Partner Really Is 23:55 Negative Perception of Men When Dating 28:52 Coveting the Desirables 32:27 How to Not Love Bomb Your Partner 40:32 If He Wanted to He Could 43:59 Emotional Maturity in Relationships 48:28 Always Be Open to Connection 53:34 Insecurities and Jealousy 01:01:15 How Do You Initiate Open Communication? 01:09:56 All Is Not Lost in Breakups 01:17:35 The Right Person at the Wrong Time 01:22:43 Every Dating Relationship is a Process Episode Resources: Stephan Speaks | Website Stephan Speaks | TikTok Stephan Speaks | Instagram Stephan Speaks | Youtube Stephan Speaks | LinkedIn Stephan Speaks | Books See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:22Stephan Speaks?

  Most breakups, if not all, are a blessing in disguise. We just can't see where the blessing is in that moment.

• 2:28Jay Shetty?

  Do you believe that there's right person, wrong time?

• 2:31Stephan Speaks?

  Absolutely. It's not as simple as, oh, we love each other. Everything's supposed to work perfectly. Love is one thing. Relationship is another.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  One of the most sought after relationship coaches in the world.

• 2:42Speaker 00

  The most popular voice in the relationship education space.

• 2:45Jay Shetty?

  Stephan speaks. Right now in dating, men have a bad reputation. Is it fair?

• 2:51Stephan Speaks?

  Completely unfair. When she goes on that date or she's in that relationship and things go wrong, she may leave out parts of what she did to contribute to the problem. I think people are not having success in dating because people are not accepting who they are first.

• 3:07Jay Shetty?

  I like that.

• 3:08Stephan Speaks?

  There are things about us we know, but society makes us feel shamed about it.

• 3:13Jay Shetty?

  How do you communicate with someone who doesn't like to communicate?

• 3:16Stephan Speaks?

  My initial response is gonna be you don't communicate with them at all. You let them go. If we're having issues with discussing our relationship problems, things that need to be addressed. If we can't discuss it, how can we fix it? We base our perceptions of the opposite sex on what I call the desirable. I always say the way to determine how serious someone is about you is.

• 3:42Stephan Speaks?

  The number one health and wellness podcast.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  Jay Shetty. Jay Shetty. The one, the only Jay Shetty.

• 3:50Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, where you come to listen, learn and grow. Thank you to all of you who made us one of the top global shows on Spotify wrapped. If you've been listening on there, I am so deeply grateful to you. It was amazing to see that connection with all of you. And today we have back. The biggest episode, the biggest guest of the last 12 months on YouTube. Someone you love, someone you love to learn from, who has so much great insights, so much great wisdom, so many great tools. And what we both loved is that it was a deep, meaningful conversation that you all connected with. Please welcome back to On Purpose, Stephan Speaks.

• 4:34Jay Shetty?

  Stephan, it is great to have you here.

• 4:36Stephan Speaks?

  Thank you for having me, man. Glad to be back.

• 4:38Jay Shetty?

  Honestly, like, we were just talking about it. I was so happy to see that a non-clickbait conversation, a non-kind of engineered conversation. It was actually the first time we met.

• 4:50Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 4:50Jay Shetty?

  And we just got into it and the audience and community responded. It was beautiful to see. So thank you for doing this again, man.

• 4:56Stephan Speaks?

  Absolutely, man. Always my pleasure.

• 4:58Jay Shetty?

  All right, I want to dive straight in like we did last time.

• 4:59Stephan Speaks?

  Let's do it.

• 5:00Jay Shetty?

  I want to dive straight in. What are the biggest issues that men and women are facing when trying to meet the right people? And they keep feeling like they meet the wrong person?

• 5:08Stephan Speaks?

  I think one of the biggest issues we have in this world right now is we are refusing to accept the differences between the average man and the average woman. Now, I say the average man, average woman because I understand there are exceptions to every rule. Nothing applies 100%. However, we have very distinct differences that if we reject, we're going to have conflict in relationships. So one that comes to mind, and I don't know, this is one I was recently talking about. There's this push that people want to say, women want sex as much as men, right? They'd want it just as much. That's an absolute lie, okay? As far as I'm concerned, that's simply not true. Now, I once was at a conference, well, not a conference. I was once flown into a, it was one of those dating sites.

• 5:53Stephan Speaks?

  They had, they brought a few experts in. They had this presentation and there was a scientist who brought out this study that showed that, quote unquote, women want sex as much as men. And I told her, I said, I think there's something wrong here. I think what the study is doing is conflating intimacy with sex. And the reality is that women want intimacy, okay? If, I always say, if you had door number one, door number two. Door number one is just straight sex. Door number two is hugs, kisses, intimacy, all that. The majority of women are choosing door number two. The majority of men are choosing door number one. The reason why this is so important to accept, and this is just one example of the built in differences of who we are, that we've got to learn to just accept it.

• 6:36Stephan Speaks?

  Is because now, if a man gets with a woman, being told, "We are the same, we want sex the same way." He does not understand how to speak to her in a way that makes her sexually receptive to him. He thinks, "Oh, if we just like sex, we like sex. If you're horny, you're horny. That's it. End of story." And no, for the majority of women, there is a mental and emotional component you have to be aware of. If she is in the wrong place, if she's overly stressed, if she's overwhelmed, this can take away all her desire or willingness to engage sexually. So by feeding this narrative that we are the same in all these ways, we are not allowing ourselves to learn the differences, respect the differences,

• 7:19Stephan Speaks?

  and speak to those differences, which will then allow us to have more harmony in relationships. And I feel that if we could do that, and really respect the other gender's position on things, and of course, you don't go in just assuming all these generalized things apply to each person. But they can be your basic foundation, and then you learn that individual, and understand, "Okay, well with her, maybe she does want sex more than I do, right? Or with this one, maybe she wants a little bit more of this." You are open and you are flexible, but I think if people took that approach, they would have better dating experiences, better relationships, much better marriages. All right? Because I can't tell you how many times I've spoken to a husband, and I was like, "Listen, emotionally, mentally, she's not in the right place." And he's like, "That sounds stupid."

• 8:04Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. Exactly. And because, and I have to say to the women, some of them create this dynamic where, when they're dating, she doesn't talk about those things being important to her. She kind of plays along with the, "All right, she just wants sex that much, and she's just ready to go at it with him." So he never learns and understands, no, she needs more than that. Yeah. All right? So we can, again, there's so many different examples I could give, but I do think one of the key things to people not just meeting the, and I'll say, I'll get to that in a second, but one of the key things to meeting the right person is just respecting the differences of men and women. Now, piggybacking off of that, the second thing is,

• 8:48Stephan Speaks?

  I think people are not having success in dating because people are not accepting who they are first, alright? Now, a lot of people may say you have to learn who you are, you have to figure it out. I think a lot of life is accepting who we are. I like that. There are things about us we know, but society makes us feel shamed about it. Tells us there's something wrong with this. You know, and so now we run away from certain realities of who we are. One example I give for myself, I'm extremely ambitious. Maybe too ambitious, I don't know if there's a such thing, but I'm very, very ambitious. And for me, I'm always striving for the next. I gotta do more, I gotta do more, I gotta conquer the next thing. But for a long time, I was told this was bad.

• 9:32Stephan Speaks?

  Oh, you need to just enjoy the moment, celebrate it, stop worrying about the next thing, all these things. And I remember I took a month where I said, okay, you know what, I'm not gonna pursue anything else. I'm just gonna rest in what I have, be happy with it. And it was one of my most depressed months ever in my life. I felt like a neutered dog, like it was like you took all the fire out of me. And when I finally got to a place of accepting, okay, this is who I am, and I'm wired this way for a reason. God created me this way because there's a purpose for me to carry out. How that then opens up the dating, or how that creates better dating experiences, that now, by me knowing this part of me and accepting it, I understand I can only choose someone who aligns with that.

• 10:17Stephan Speaks?

  Yes. You see? But if I'm sitting here trying to be something I'm not, then I'm picking these people who don't truly fit me, and I don't fit them. And that's why you have these relationships or even these marriages where people wake up five years later from this fog, this excitement they had of their partner, to finally see what's really there, and it's like, we don't really like each other. Yeah. Or we don't get along, or we don't really fit well together, and we're constantly in conflict with each other. So if we would just first really put more energy into understanding who we are, accepting who we are, and then we can then realize who we need to pick that aligns with that, that would change the landscape. And not only would that change the landscape for so many people,

• 11:01Stephan Speaks?

  it would allow us to stop letting situations drag on longer than they should. Because a lot of people, they meet someone, they really like them, but they can sense something's missing or something's off. But the problem with people is that they're being told if you have this great person, you can't pass that up. You see, if you don't have a very glaring reason that society deems as valid, oh, well, then you're being stupid or being ridiculous. It's like, no, you, you have to trust your spirit, trust your intuition. Something is telling you, and, and it's probably something that you can't see, but maybe you can't articulate it, or again, you don't feel like it's valid enough. But I can tell you from my position, those little things is what turns into a big thing later and destroys the whole relationship.

• 11:46Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 11:47Stephan Speaks?

  You know?

• 11:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And a third one, or there doesn't have to be.

• 11:50Stephan Speaks?

  Well, I, I'll say this, so you know, we, we said, understand the differences, understand yourself, and the third one would be healing. I, I, I have to always mention that because I believe the number one issue faith that people are facing is a lack of healing. And that plays into figuring yourself out because again, you, if you are operating out of a place of fear or shame, or you've been told you weren't good enough, or something about you wasn't good, even though that wasn't the case, well, that's going to make you struggle with embracing that. Right? And if you aren't healed and you're carrying all these negative perceptions of relationships, love, because a lot of people with their words say, I want love, but in reality, they're scared of it. All right?

• 12:34Stephan Speaks?

  They fear being that vulnerable. So they actually subconsciously choose partners who don't make them too vulnerable, but they're good enough to be with, so to speak.

• 12:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 12:44Stephan Speaks?

  Which is what I call the safe choice. Some people hear me say the safe choice and they misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying safe as in this person creates a place of safety for you. I'm saying this person doesn't take you to the true level of love, true vulnerability, you're able to have emotional control and manage the situation. But because of that, you're never choosing someone you're really into, and you can never be what they really need either. And at some point, it's going to fall all apart. But it all goes back to healing. We've got to heal and not just heal from the romantic relationships, from childhood trauma, from everything, because it all contributes to our struggle to connect with other individuals.

• 13:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, oh, man, you said so many interesting things that I need to like dissect now. So the first thing that came to my mind, especially about the accepting yourself, which I really like that idea of rather than trying to just learn about yourself, or rather than trying to transform yourself, there's an acceptance of like, who am I? Why am I this way? What does that mean? And I feel like in relationships, people are looking for someone who perfectly complements them or perfectly fits them. As opposed to this idea that, oh, that person accepts me for who I am and allows me to be who I am. So I always say this, I'm similar to you. I'm highly ambitious, really driven, love what I get to do. I would be the same as you if I took a mug off. Like, I, I get that. Like, I relate to all of those things.

• 14:10Jay Shetty?

  And my wife is so much more like a family person, like quality time, wants to be ambitious, but she also wants to be present and all the rest of it, right? And we are not a perfect fit in that sense. But the reason it works for us is because she allows me to be me and I allow her to be her. I've accepted who I am and I know what that means and she accepts me and I accept her back. So if I say to her, hey, you know what? I don't think I'm gonna come to that family event because I've got this work thing that I really wanna get to. She accepts that. She's okay with that. And if she said to me, I don't really wanna come out to you with that business thing that you've got today. I really wanna just spend time with my family. I'd be like, cool, I get it.

• 14:52Jay Shetty?

  And I feel like we're just looking for someone who kind of wants to do the thing we want to do with us all the time. But then you start realizing it becomes about one person. But talking about ambition, I wanted to ask you,

• 15:06Jay Shetty?

  do you think that men today are struggling with being attracted to ambitious, driven, successful women?

• 15:13Stephan Speaks?

  Yes, but, so, okay, I guess the reason why I'm hesitating in the way I answer that is when you say men today, because I would argue it's probably always been like that. Um, I just think that more, there's more ambitious women now. And so there is this disconnect there. And I think that the disconnect, though, isn't simply based off of men not wanting an ambitious woman.

• 15:39Stephan Speaks?

  I think we gotta go a lot deeper than that.

• 15:41Jay Shetty?

  Let's do it.

• 15:42Stephan Speaks?

  And the unfortunate reality is that, and I want women to understand, you know, again, I recognize that there are some women who genuinely are wired that way. All right, they, it feeds them. The same way it feeds us, it feeds them to be achieving, to be doing stuff. And I'm a firm believer, I want women to walk in their truth, whatever it is. I will say though, there's a seg, at least a segment, a large segment of those women who are ambitious out of necessity or even fear. They've been told, never rely on the man. They've been told, you, you have to take care of yourself, right? And so with that, they chase this career, but it's actually at conflict with who they really are because deep inside, they actually are the woman that

• 16:26Stephan Speaks?

  values the family time more, being at the home. And there's nothing wrong with that, but they have a segment of society telling them, oh, you can't do, that's wrong. You need to be out there, strong woman, do your own thing. And so those women will have a conflict in dating because they're already at conflict with themselves. Okay. And that has to be corrected. So I, I always encourage women like, listen, be real with yourself. There's a lot of women who they, they do the work that they do, not because they love the work or having to work, but they love the lifestyle it affords them. Okay. Which is why for many of them, whenever we have the conversation about, why can't you date a man who's making less?

• 17:07Stephan Speaks?

  Right? Well, part of it is because in the back of her mind, if she has a dream of one day being able to leave work, she wants a man who can keep the lifestyle up. Okay. And if he's making less, well then in her mind, how will he be able to keep her lifestyle and maintain him? It's like, no, he's gotta be making as much or if not more, so that I can keep this life that I've built for myself and I love very much. But again, I think you, you, it, it all starts with understanding, okay, is this really who you are or not? Now going back to the men, I do think there is a struggle with a lot of men. One of the things that at least it comes to mind first for me, the issue of low testosterone. And so I'm very passionate about the whole testosterone issue.

• 17:51Stephan Speaks?

  And I, and I do want men to understand it's deeper than just testosterone. Because sometimes we're so fixed, like you could have high testosterone, but if your cortisol levels are too high, your body's not even processing the testosterone correctly. Your stress is blocking it. If your vitamin D is too low, if you're B two, there's other things that can throw it off. So just don't think of life as let me just fix my testosterone and that's it. But that can be a huge game changer for a lot of men. So if you have a man who's already, because I always say some men are not lazy, they're unhealthy. All right. And if he is not healthy, he has low testosterone. His ability to handle, embrace, respect and ambitious, it's gonna be a struggle in some ways.

• 18:32Stephan Speaks?

  Well, it'll be a struggle in the sense that it might make him feel inadequate the way that she may carry herself with that ambition. However, I would argue that some of those men, a lot of those men probably want the ambitious woman simply because for him, I need somebody who can carry the load. Okay. And if she's gonna come into my life and stabilize me, then great. The real problem is the ambitious woman does not want that man.

• 18:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 19:00Stephan Speaks?

  She's probably in most cases looking for a man who is also ambitious, right? And this is where the disconnect comes. Because now it's kind of like the whole discussion of having two alphas in a relationship, two very strong personalities. There's no real balance there, okay? And for a lot of women, what they're overlooking is what most men value. Or at least most men who are ambitious themselves, who do take care of themselves. They're looking for a compliment to that. They're looking for someone who can love them, pour into them, you know, contribute to a peaceful environment. He doesn't care about your money and your ambition as much, right? But the guy who doesn't have for himself, well, he's gonna put more value on those things.

• 19:45Stephan Speaks?

  And it becomes this mismatch of individuals. So a lot of these women who are ambitious, it's not that they cannot get a man. They're struggling to get the type of men they desire. All right. And again, as I said, Earlier about how we focus on the desirables, not the non-desirables. When she says, I can't meet anyone, she's not literally saying, I can't meet any man. She's just saying, I'm not meeting anyone I actually like and want to pay attention to. So in her mind, I'm not meeting anyone.

• 20:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 20:15Stephan Speaks?

  You see?

• 20:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 20:16Stephan Speaks?

  And so there is a problem with a lot of men. Um, and, and I do think again, I, I would, I would pose the question to a lot of women. Are you going to be happy in the long run in that kind of a dynamic?

• 20:28Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 20:29Stephan Speaks?

  You know?

• 20:29Jay Shetty?

  That's the question.

• 20:30Stephan Speaks?

  Is that really gonna serve you or is that a right now in the moment thing? Because there's a lot of ambitious women who accepted maybe the less ambitious man, right? Cause he figured, all right, well, he loves me, it's gonna, you know, he'll, he'll be there for me. I can trust this relationship. But then over time, she becomes frustrated with him. You know, he doesn't take initiative. He's not as assertive as he, as she wants him to be. He doesn't exude the same level of masculine energy that she desires from a man. And that will take its toll and eventually it will probably blow up the whole relationship.

• 21:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and that, and that's, it's a tough situation to be in because you just don't have any idea where things are gonna go.

• 21:07Stephan Speaks?

  Hmm.

• 21:07Jay Shetty?

  Right? You don't know, like I, I always say that when, when my wife met me, I was in debt and had no job. And she was, you know, wonderful enough to like be in love with me in that place in my life.

• 21:24Stephan Speaks?

  Hmm.

• 21:24Jay Shetty?

  And we didn't know that things were ever gonna change, but she was kind of like, as long as we're stable and you find a job and we're good, then things will be great. And I remember that giving me a lot of confidence. Like even though I was in such a like place of like, I remember I was getting rejected from companies. I wasn't getting any jobs because I just left the monastery, like I wasn't, it was really tough getting back into work. But her being there kind of gave me confidence in myself and kind of made me go, oh wow, well, if a woman like that can, you know, believe enough to be with a man like me, then, then I've got to work for it now.

• 21:57Stephan Speaks?

  Hmm.

• 21:57Jay Shetty?

  And I think the key is, are you, are you willing to do that in a way that gives someone confidence? Or are you someone who gets so affected by it? Well, no matter what gender you are, well, you're now making the other person feel bad for it.

• 22:08Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Jay Shetty?

  Right? Whatever gender you are, if you're always like, oh, come on, you're just lazy. Oh, come on, you need to do more. If you feel that way about your partner, chances are that that's gonna push them away, not motivate them to do better.

• 22:20Stephan Speaks?

  Absolutely, but I think what, what has to be considered in like using your situation as an example is that. She didn't have to create ambition in you. She activated it. Yes. She energized it, okay? But it already existed within you. Correct, yes. So for her, it was very fortunate that she found a man who actually wanted to make more of himself. The unfortunate reality is that there's a lot of women who will take that approach with a man. And believe, okay, if I love on him and point into him, this will get him to step up. And it's like, no, he does not have it in him. And there's nothing you can do, like, when you think about it, anyone who's successful has had experiences where, whether it be friends, family, or random people, where you've tried to help someone.

• 23:04Stephan Speaks?

  And no matter what you gave, you could give them the whole blueprint, right? You can fund them, you can do everything, and it still becomes nothing. So true, so true. Because it's just not in them. We cannot make them into something that they're not. So I think it's important that for a woman, if you're gonna take that approach, you have to do your due diligence of understanding who he is as a man, his true character. Are you projecting a fantasy and a potential on him that doesn't really exist? All right? What does he see in himself? Like, I would argue, I don't even know what conversations you guys had, but there's a very good chance that if I was there, you were speaking as a man who wanted to accomplish things. Yeah, for sure. So she was just, all right, I'm gonna support that, I'm gonna get behind you.

• 23:48Stephan Speaks?

  That's very different from a woman saying to him, like, for example, well, you could do this, and you could become this. And it's like, okay, no, he has to want that. Yeah. He has to have that vision. It's a great distinction. You see? And I think that's where people, you know, get tripped up and end up in the situations where, and to your point, the key is, ask yourself as a woman, are you gonna be okay if this man never changes? Because you're placing a bet, all right? There's no guarantee you're gonna win this bet. Are you gonna be okay if this man never changes? If not, I would suggest, because here's another angle we could look at. Her presence, her love, gave you confidence. But did that have to be given within the context of a girlfriend-boyfriend relationship? No, it could have been. Exactly.

• 24:33Stephan Speaks?

  So if a woman really believes in the man, but she knows if this man doesn't change, I'm gonna be really upset, alright? And I'm gonna feel cheated. Then all we're saying is, maybe don't cross romantic lines yet. Let that man know. Because I'll tell you this, if he has it in him, and he has a desire for that woman, and that woman said to him, "Listen, I think you can make a great partner. I would love to be with you, but I need you to get to a more stable place first." If he's serious, that's his motivation right there. That will get him. Because as long as he knows, "Oh, I can get the woman of my dreams, the woman I love, if I put in the work, okay, I'm gonna do that." But by getting with him while in the process, for a lot of men, they only do to acquire.

• 25:18Stephan Speaks?

  And if they already acquired, then what am I gonna do anything for? Why do I need to go work and all this extra stuff? Or try to do more to make more money when I'm getting fed, I'm getting sex, I have a roof over my head? For a lot of men, that is enough. There's only a smaller segment of men who, you can give them all those things, and it doesn't matter, they have to do more. It's just who they are. So that has to be acknowledged and recognized when a woman's gonna determine that she's gonna actually engage in that kind of a dynamic.

• 25:48Jay Shetty?

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• 27:14Jay Shetty?

  I feel like right now in dating, men have a bad reputation.

• 27:19Stephan Speaks?

  Okay.

• 27:19Jay Shetty?

  Men get a lot of blame.

• 27:21Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 27:22Jay Shetty?

  Is it fair?

• 27:23Stephan Speaks?

  It is unfair, completely unfair. One of the big problems that exists is that a lot of women are not being told accurate stories of other women's dating experiences. Now, that isn't to say there aren't genuinely bad men out there, bad experiences and all that. But what they fail to understand is that whether it be their friends, their family, whoever, when she goes on that date or she's in that relationship and things go wrong, she may leave out parts of what she did to contribute to the problem. And so you're hearing this very one-sided view of the situation, which is gonna almost always paint the man in the negative light.

• 28:04Stephan Speaks?

  And so the woman starts to develop this very negative perception of men based off all these stories she's being fed. Then you add the internet, right? And the internet is built off of sensationalism and people coming up with all kinds of craziness to make the opposite gender look bad. So whether it's men talking about women or women talking about, or the same gender talking down on their gen- whatever it is, they're trying to hype up negative stories. So even though these negative stories exist, we don't always realize they're not so much the majority. They could be the minority, they're just being pushed a lot more. And so, yeah, it does create this very unfair, this unfair view of men. And I think there's, again, a little bit on both sides, to be honest with you.

• 28:49Jay Shetty?

  Talk to me about how do those negative stories actually affect us? Because I think we don't think about that sometimes in terms of if every time you're talking to someone, it's like, "Oh yeah, this just happened." "Oh yeah, yeah, same thing happened to my friend." "Oh yeah, same thing happened to that friend." And like you said, we don't have the full data. It's not always happened to us.

• 29:05Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 29:05Jay Shetty?

  And then it spreads. But what does that psychologically and even emotionally do to our own mind and brain and heart?

• 29:11Stephan Speaks?

  Well, I think it's just human nature to where we take our negative experiences and we project it onto that demographic of whoever it's attached to. So it's like if someone gets robbed by a certain demographic of people, they may start to develop a fear towards those people. Even though it was one isolated incident, they now become cautious to them. So in dating, when you start to experience or hear all these negative things towards men, let's say, well, you're naturally going to become more defensive, more negative. And then what you don't realize is you create these self fulfilling prophecies because you go into the dating experience bracing for negativity or projecting it,

• 29:54Stephan Speaks?

  not realizing you're creating it, okay? And so what also makes it worse, and it hit me when you were asking the question, is that, and again, I don't want women to feel like, I'm just saying like, women don't take any responsibility or anything like that, because there's plenty of women who do. However, it is more likely when a woman goes to her friends and family to tell them that this relationship fell apart. They're gonna say, "You know, you're better than that. He doesn't deserve you." Those type of things to build her up, make her feel good, not really pointing out where she may have gotten things wrong. The man goes to his friends and other people about the relationship that fell apart. "Man, you were stupid anyway. You should have done this." Like, they're gonna come down on him regardless.

• 30:36Stephan Speaks?

  And whether he likes it or not, he's gonna have to accept some level of personal accountability. Well, that also now shapes how they approach the next dating situation. Now, unfortunately, I do think that there are some men who, when they run to the internet and they hear "women bad, women bad, women bad," they become blind to their own flaws. But I think you can make the argument that women have a an audience of uplifters more than men do. And that will now skew how people view the opposite sex. And now those negative stories are only gonna have even more of an impact. Because if I'm being told as a woman, I'm great. Nothing's wrong with me. These men are horrible, right?

• 31:20Stephan Speaks?

  And there's nothing for me to do different. So then anything that goes wrong will always be viewed to the lens of men are just horrible people. Like, you're never gonna think, well, wait a minute. Maybe there was something missing from this story. Or maybe she could have handled things different. No, you're gonna jump right to they're bad. Because that's what you're being told over and over again. And then it's being solidified by some of your own personal experiences. But you may not realize what's contributing to those experiences even coming about.

• 31:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's a, that's a really interesting way to look at it. Because there was a Facebook group, and I forget what it's called now. But it's basically for, I think it's called, are we dating the same man? And it's been built because there are so many women who are experiencing men dating them at the same time, even though he's saying he's exclusive with one. So I had this happen to someone that I know recently. And she was seeing this guy for like six months. And then they were, or three months, sorry. They were seeing each other for three months. They were getting a bit closer. It was long distance. He'd come out to see her and she was about to go and see him. So she messaged him and said, hey, I'm coming out. I just wanna make sure that we're taking in the right direction. Cause she's buying a flight. She's coming over.

• 32:36Jay Shetty?

  She's investing in the relationship. And this guy who messaged her every day just ghosted her. So she went onto this Facebook group. And she wrote about it a few days later when she was like, wait a minute. This guy's not getting back to me. I've lost the flight ticket, not in a great place. And then this other woman messaged back and was like, hey, let's connect offline. So then she shared her story. This guy supposedly is married. He's then been dating this other girl who just found out that he's married, saying he was gonna get divorced. And now he was dating the person that I know. And so I think when you hear a story like that, it's no surprise that that spreads. Cause that's a fascinating juicy story. And it's heartbreaking for the people that are actually invested and involved in it.

• 33:19Jay Shetty?

  And I think that empathy, even when I heard that story, I was so heartbroken. But we have to remember that isn't the majority.

• 33:26Stephan Speaks?

  Exactly.

• 33:26Jay Shetty?

  It does exist and it's really sad. And if it's happened to you, I'm so sorry. Like, I feel like that that could be the worst thing to go through. But it isn't the majority and we have to be careful about how we amplify the minority experience.

• 33:40Stephan Speaks?

  Exactly. And I think what we're not realizing as a society is that the reality is there, we base our perceptions of the opposite sex on what I call the desirables. All right, that top twenty percent of men or women who get the most attention, who have the most opportunities. And it kind of goes back to that belief of how great power can corrupt. All right, so even the good, nice guy, if he now becomes a man who has all kinds of beautiful women coming after him, he has all this access. Not all, but there are many who will start to fall into behaviors that they wouldn't have before. Who will start to become more of a womanizer, who will start to enjoy all this access that they have, right?

• 34:23Stephan Speaks?

  And the reality is that when we hear these stories, this is not a story of the average man who just wants a relationship, looking for love, is genuine. Maybe he doesn't get all the attention, maybe he's not the most desirable guy, but he's a good guy. But that's not where we're gonna put our attention. And it's the same thing with women. When you, when you hear men on the internet say, women just want money, women just want money. Now granted, women value financial stability in men, most, okay? And I think that most men should strive from some level of stability. However, there are tons of women dating broke men, right? There are tons of women who that is not their number one priority, it's a desire. But they wanna be loved, they want quality time, they want these other things.

• 35:08Stephan Speaks?

  But again, if it's not being said by the audience that the men fixate so much on, they don't hear those voices.

• 35:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 35:16Stephan Speaks?

  They just focus on the women who, again, and I'm using the word desirables, not because I'm determining what's desirable, I'm just laying out the people who get the most attention. Who tend to get more attention, for whatever reason, right or wrong, that's what happens in life. And so we gotta realize that they do not represent the majority. And we, and we have to ask ourselves sometimes, are we focusing too much on the wrong group of people when we're trying to come to an understanding of the opposite sex?

• 35:45Jay Shetty?

  For sure. When, when people are dating, what are some of the things to? Look out for when you're thinking about long term success because I think the challenge people are having now is like someone will love a bomb them for three months. Everything's moving amazing. It's getting really intense like dates are great, hanging out is great, the intimacy is great. And then all of a sudden it's like one person kind of checks out and goes, hey, I don't think this is working for me. We're moving too fast. Hey, we should slow this down. Hey, I think, I think we rushed into it. And then you're like, wait a minute. I, I thought we were gonna get married, right? I thought this was going somewhere. What are we meant to do? What are, what are people meant to do in those first three, six, 12 months?

• 36:25Jay Shetty?

  If you had to give markers to kind of slow it down, because I think we all wanna fall in love fast. But it doesn't seem to ever work healthily that way, or it doesn't work often healthily that way.

• 36:35Stephan Speaks?

  Well, I will first, before I get into what we should do with those markers. I think the, I always say this, love bombing is only when it's a one sided thing. So basically, two people meet, one person is showering them with all this love and attention and going hard. And for the other person, it's not them saying, oh, I'm in love with them. It's them saying, this feels so good. I'm enjoying this. Let me keep this going, you see? But if you both, and, and, and let's use a different example where you could have two people meet. And they both feel this intense connection immediately. They are both feeling strongly about each other. To me, that's not a love bomb, alright?

• 37:16Stephan Speaks?

  That's just a connection that two people are embracing a lot quicker than maybe some others would, alright?

• 37:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, good distinction.

• 37:22Stephan Speaks?

  So now, if those two people moved quote unquote fast by society standards, I don't have a problem with that. As long as they do their due diligence, which is part of what we gotta do within those times, marker times. But there's nothing wrong, like I, I knew a couple, they came to one of my events, they got married, I think in like three, four months. And they said, they watched one of my videos and family and friends were like, oh, you, this is stupid, this is wrong. But they heard me explain it and they're like, this was them, this applied to them, they felt a connection, they were on the same page. And what people have to understand is, one couple's three months is not the same as the next couple's three months. So one couple in their three months. They have been talking every single day, spending time multiple times a week,

• 38:03Stephan Speaks?

  asking all these questions, diving deep to each other, meeting each other's families. They've done so much due diligence, they don't need years more to figure this out. The next couple, they talk here and there, they they see each other once a week, every other week. It's always on a day. Yeah, and so the moments together feel great, but they really haven't spent enough time diving deep into each other. So we have to remember that. But as far as what we should be doing is, we should be trying to learn as much about the person as quickly as possible. I think too many times we have an approach of like going with the flow type of deal. For sure. All right, and we'll just figure it out as we go along.

• 38:47Stephan Speaks?

  And in reality, there's a part of us that that doesn't want to rock the boat. Because again, we're enjoying the companionship. If you're having sex, you're enjoying the sex, there's different benefits here that you don't want to let go of. So you're you're purposely or subconsciously not asking questions you know might be a problem. Yes, yes, so true. And so now, when things blow up a year later, you never know some, no, you wouldn't ask the questions that need to be asked. The quicker you can put those questions out there, the quicker you can expose, and I use the word expose, not in a negative way, but in a way of gaining clarity. Revealing. Yes, revealing who this person is and what we have with each other. Yeah. Okay, but I also think that it always starts with, we have to be honest about how we feel.

• 39:32Stephan Speaks?

  Too many people are choosing their partner based off of, do they love me rather than do I love them? Oh, so well said. Okay, and if you don't truly love them, if you're not in love with them, nothing else matters. Because if you think it's gonna be safe for you to pick them because they love you, so when you have that scenario where you said, all right, things are going real fast, let's let's paint it. Man love bombs the woman, he's going hard, and let's just say he's really infatuated with this woman. So to him, he believes I'm into this woman. To her, she doesn't really, she's not into him like that, but man, he's a nice guy, this feels so good. All right, I'm gonna go along with it. Six months, eight months past, whatever, he pulls back.

• 40:15Stephan Speaks?

  This is not always the case, but in many cases, he pulls back because he finally wakes up and realizes, dang, I'm doing all this for this woman, but she's not really into me. Hmm. And it may not be him coming to that realization first. It might be a friend or a family member's like, no, do you see how she moves? I noticed you do this, but she doesn't do this for you. And then he starts to think like, man, wait a minute. She really, she's not coming at me the way I come at her. But in that moment, let's say he tries to pull away. Well, she's enjoying this attention so much. She doesn't want to lose it, whether she's in love with him or not. And her fear of losing it now tricks her into thinking, I'm in love with this man. So now she fights to keep him. And then now he feels, okay, validated. She's trying, they move forward.

• 41:01Stephan Speaks?

  But the reality was they were never both truly in love with each other. He was infatuated and she was just enjoying how it felt. Yeah. And they reached a point where she was afraid to lose this. And of course, whether you're a man or a woman who's the one going hard, you don't want to feel like all your time was wasted. You don't want to feel like you were wrong. So if they give you anything to hold on to, you're going to run with it. For sure. And next thing you know, you're married with kids and you're like, well, what happened? What happened was you two were never truly in love with each other. Yeah. So in those three months, six months, whatever, do your due diligence and really be honest with yourself about how you feel about this person. Because if you don't have it in you, trust and believe whatever they think they're having for you is not true love. It's something else.

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• 44:03Stephan Speaks?

  What's going on?

• 44:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and even for the person who does the love bombing, to realise that no one will ever be able to match you. Like, because, and you wanting them to match you isn't even fair, because it was already above and beyond what a normal person would do.

• 44:20Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 44:20Jay Shetty?

  And so even when you're sitting there and you're going like, oh, well, they're not doing the same thing back for me or whatever. It's like, yeah, no surprise. It's only three months and like, how are you expecting someone to reciprocate in that way in three months? And I think for me, you know what? You hit the nail on the head. Like, I've been looking at, and I can't relate to it in dating anymore because I'm not dating, but I was looking at a new business opportunity. And I was meeting a potential new business partner. And it was the same exact thing. I felt a good connection, so did they. We were really excited to get going. Then I spoke to some good advisors that I have in my life. And they're like, have you asked these questions? And I was like, no, but it just feels good. I haven't asked these questions. They're like, well, you should ask those questions. And the whole reason I didn't want to ask those questions

• 45:05Jay Shetty?

  is because I thought it would ruin the connection. But it was so funny, I sat down last week, asked the questions. And actually, the questions made me feel more confident. But there were more questions I realized I hadn't asked. So now I followed up with those questions. And that's what I realized. If you are scared of asking questions because you're scared that they will weaken the relationship, it's actually the other way around. If you ask the right questions and it's the right relationship, it will strengthen the relationship. You'll actually come closer. And so asking the right questions isn't about ruining a good thing. It's about making sure it's an actually good thing.

• 45:40Stephan Speaks?

  Exactly.

• 45:41Jay Shetty?

  And I've been feeling in business all this, in the last couple of weeks has been my life. So you've really opened my eyes to that right now, that just how much we're so in our head about trying to save something that doesn't even exist yet.

• 45:52Stephan Speaks?

  Exactly, exactly. And like you said, if, if it's gonna scare them away, then you saved yourself the time. Because it was gonna be a bad situation. So never fear it. We just have to, we have to get out of our own perception of what we think we want, or what's good, or what's bad. It's like, no, just, if it's not there, it's not there. And that means something better will come along.

• 46:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, is the cliche, if he wanted to, he would, true?

• 46:18Stephan Speaks?

  It is absolutely false. I hate that saying. It is one of the many I hate. And here's a reason why I hate it. It can be true. So, okay, if we look at human beings as, when, when we're younger and we haven't experienced any trauma, disappointment, all these things, then I think something like that can be true. So think about like, two kids in high school, right? And the boy's never experienced love. He falls before some woman. There's nothing that will pretty much stop him in many cases from going after that woman, pursuing all these things. But the reality is that as human beings, we go through life experiences that make us cautious, that make us fearful, that cause us to doubt, right?

• 47:00Stephan Speaks?

  And so now, it can create a level of hesitation, uh, unwillingness to cross certain lines. So yes, a man could love a woman, he could be willing, but you have to find out what may be the blockage. So to me, it it's, I, I will apply that saying, if a woman has let it be known to that man what she needs from him, okay? So if, for example, two people start dating and she's really big on communication, right? So she wants to hear from him every single day, okay? He's calling every few days, right? And some girlfriend says to her, well, if he wanted to, he would. And she runs with that and cuts him off because, well, clearly he must not be serious.

• 47:43Stephan Speaks?

  But what you didn't know was, the last girl he dated, when he called her every day, she felt like he was smothering her. So now, he's scared to call every day because he doesn't know what you want. He doesn't want to come off needy or overbearing or whatever, so he's trying to play it cool. It has nothing to do with his desire or willingness. It has everything to do with him trying to navigate this situation because of what he's either been advised or been through or whatever. So that's why the key is, if that same woman says to him, listen, I'm not hearing from you as much as I want to. If you're gonna date me, I need to have constant, you know, consistent communication. We need to talk every single day. Now, if he's really serious about her, he'll call her every day. You give him the green light, he's gonna do it, you see?

• 48:27Stephan Speaks?

  And if he's not serious about her, then he will probably come up with excuses, he'll dance around it, whatever the case may be. But now, you can run with that statement because it's been made clear to him. But there's so many underlying things going on and so many reasons, especially when you consider the advice being given on the internet nowadays, alright? Like, there is literally advice that tells people, ignore someone if you want them more, or want them to want you more, okay? Like, literally, when you understand what people are being fed, then you start to realize, it's not as simple as if they want to, they would. No, talk to them first.

• 49:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:02Stephan Speaks?

  And then I always say the way to determine how serious someone is about you is not in seeing what they do on their own. Is seeing how they handle your expression of concerns and feelings. All right.

• 49:13Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 49:14Stephan Speaks?

  That's what's gonna show you how, not just how serious they are about you, but how mature they are. And and and they're emotionally ready to be in a relationship. Cause someone who cannot hear you out is not ready for a real relationship. All right. But if they can sit, talk to you, listen, not dismiss, and now make positive changes, all right, then it's all good.

• 49:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, but I find that's the thing, going back to your third point, I find that's the thing that's so hard today. Because that requires healing, to be able to hear someone out, to be able to listen to someone's concerns and challenges and how they feel and to actually validate it without invalidating yourself, right? I think that's why we struggle so much because if someone's saying something, like if you were saying to me like, hey Jay, like, you know, I I don't like the way that, you know, your your friends speak to me when they're around. If I hear that, I I start defending my friends, cause I'm like, what are you talking about? My friends are amazing. Like they're they're the best, they're the greatest. Now I've invalidated you to validate myself, cause we think validation means I invalidate you, I validate myself.

• 50:18Jay Shetty?

  Or if I validate you, then I'm invalidating myself. Maturity is, oh, I could validate you and also stand true to who I am.

• 50:26Stephan Speaks?

  Yes.

• 50:26Jay Shetty?

  That's a healed individual, and so I can agree with you and I can also share my perspective. But I find that if we're looking for that off the bat, don't you feel like that portion of people is really small?

• 50:38Stephan Speaks?

  It is.

• 50:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:39Stephan Speaks?

  But this is the unfortunate harsh reality. Because that portion is so small and because we overlook those types of issues. Well, that's why we have so much unhealthy relationships. That's why we have such a high divorce rate. And I always tell people, people love to harbor on the divorce rate as an argument not to get married. And I'm like, hold up, if we could quantify the breakup rate, it would probably make the divorce rate look like tiles play, all right? People break up way more and and so much trauma, so much hurt happens in the boyfriend-girlfriend relationship dynamic. So.

• 51:15Stephan Speaks?

  The reality is that, yes, if we took this approach that said, someone needs to be emotionally mature before we can enter in a relationship with them, relationships will plummet. There will be a lot less relationships. However, two things would happen from that. There would be more healthy relationships and people would start to realize this is an unacceptable trait that they're carrying with them. If people are experiencing where they can be dismissive, they cannot learn to be emotionally in tune and mature and intelligent enough to how to handle someone's feelings and concerns, well, they will never understand the need to fix that. All right. And it's the same, it's that same issue. Like literally, I was just coaching a married couple who they're going through it right now.

• 51:59Stephan Speaks?

  And one of the big issues is they're both very dismissive of each other when they're expressing their concerns. All right. So it's like, yeah, you can look past this if you want, but you're gonna pay a price. Is that price worth it? And most do not survive that. At some point, you're gonna have to learn it anyway. Right? So I just think, yeah, I think it'd be best, and I understand. And I'm speaking idealistically. Realistically, most people are gonna overlook this issue. Most people are gonna give a pass, right? But I think even if you're gonna give a pass to a certain extent, it needs to be discussed. It needs to be understood. And to your point, I love that you said, because I literally just did a video on my men's channel about how to communicate with a woman more effectively.

• 52:43Stephan Speaks?

  And one of the things I expressed was how, listen, in that situation where she says, I don't like the way your friends speak to me, you can still say, I understand that's how you feel. I don't see it that way, but let me try to understand why you feel that way. You see what I'm saying? So I'm gonna meet you where you are. I'm gonna acknowledge your feelings. I'm still gonna express my view is different than yours. But let's see if we can come to an understanding of this. That in itself would eliminate so many arguments.

• 53:11Jay Shetty?

  Totally, totally, yeah.

• 53:12Stephan Speaks?

  So much conflict just by doing that. So I do think that men and women, everyone needs to understand, we need to strive for that at the very least.

• 53:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because it's, but that's what that unhealed, immature version of us does. It just wants us to. Stay in the zone of I'm right, you're wrong, it's my way, you're always not working out. And and we gotta do it this way. And I think the other thing that's really blocking a lot of people and and I ask you this, not because I'm trying to give a question that I think a lot of people ask, but actually, no, it is. I think this is an important question because I think a lot of people have a type, going back to your desirables that they're looking for. Is that helping or hurting them when they're dating?

• 53:57Stephan Speaks?

  So there's nothing wrong with a type to a certain extent, as long as you're not so married to that type, to where there's no flexibility outside of that, alright? But I do think that at the end of the day, and this may sound bad to some people, but this is just the reality of it. The more desirable you are, the more i- it becomes even necessary for you to have a type. So the analogy I like to give is, let's just say someone's applying at a job at Walmart, and that's no shade to Walmart or anyone who works at a Walmart, right? But the reality is that to be a cashier at Walmart comes with less requirements, right? And not many people are all lining up to go work at Walmart. So Walmart might get five applicants, right?

• 54:38Stephan Speaks?

  They can sit down with each applicant, they can be more flexible and see who fits the job. If Google is hiring for a six-figure or seven-figure position, they're gonna have thousands of applicants, right? There's gonna be a greater level of requirement, there has to be at this position. And now they can't sit down with every person, they're gonna have to weed them out. And once upon a time, how did they do that? They would eliminate you by the color of your resume, the font on your resume, forget your qualifications, okay? Just the mere presentation, because they had to, they had to weed it down to a certain segment, and then from there, choose who's gonna be best. So in dating and relationships,

• 55:19Stephan Speaks?

  there's nothing wrong with honing in on your audience that you want to pull from. However, I think that, not I think, I know that connection can transcend our type, okay? And I believe the key is always being open to connection in whatever package it comes. Now, I want people to understand, when I say Whatever package, it doesn't mean you won't be attracted to them, alright? It doesn't mean you're gonna be disgusted by them any kind of way. It just means that plenty of people, if not everyone, even when having a type, have found someone outside that box that they found attractive, alright? That they may even feel drawn to. You have to be open and flexible in that way, alright? And I think for me, it's less about having such a strict type,

• 56:03Stephan Speaks?

  but more so fundamental principles. Like, I think attraction is important, alright? Communication is important. There's a level of, if you're into energy or you can pick up on people's energy, that's gonna be important. And to me, those are foundational things. It's less about, well, they gotta be this tall, or they have to have this type of job. But there are some core traits that, there's nothing wrong with that. So I do think for those that the type is working against, it's because they might be too strict, there's no flexibility, and they're also not understanding, are you the type that the type wants? Okay? So you can want your type all you want, that's fine, right? Nothing wrong with that. But are you really tapping into the type of partner they would want?

• 56:47Stephan Speaks?

  And if, and it's not even, are you willing and both can you sustain that? Alright? Because there's a lot of people trying to present a certain kind of way to get this type of individual, and they may get them, but they can't keep it up. I'm gonna give one example. And again, it's never shade to any gender when I use them as an example, but let's say there's a man who wants this ridiculously beautiful woman, right? Who is accustomed to the high life.

• 57:13Jay Shetty?

  Yep.

• 57:13Stephan Speaks?

  Alright? And having all kinds of men shower her with gifts and money. And he knows, one, he don't have money like that. And two, he does not have the desire to keep up that lifestyle. But he's so infatuated with this woman, he goes and he pulls out all the stops, fancy dinners, gifts, all these things. And he gets her. But then after a few months, the real him comes out. And now, he doesn't wanna go to the nice restaurant. He doesn't wanna take the nice trip. He thinks that bag is way too expensive.

• 57:43Stephan Speaks?

  And now she's pissed off because it's like, wait a minute, you sold me on this. And to him, it's, oh, you're ungrateful or you're, no, you tricked her. You tricked her and you tricked yourself. Because you were so fixated on this type and this person, but you never questioned, can you really be that? Are you really that? And can you keep that going for the rest of your life? Yeah. And if you can't, all right, go to a different, a different type, a different type of, you know, person, whatever, that fits who you are. And it goes back to really understanding who you are, accepting it, and embracing the type of people who fit that individual.

• 58:19Jay Shetty?

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• 1:01:05Jay Shetty?

  There's so many of these kind of myths that are just floating about. And one of the big ones is, I want to get your take on this. Should the person you're dating or seeing feel jealous when you get attention? Is that a sign of love?

• 1:01:19Stephan Speaks?

  My instinct is to say no, 100% no.

• 1:01:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm with you.

• 1:01:24Stephan Speaks?

  I think... To be honest, there's a level of insecurity there. All right, now, don't get me wrong. I do think when we love someone, there may be at least some part of us, right? That's gonna have an eye open to all this attention you're getting. For sure. I think that's natural. But to be bothered by it usually speaks to you not having a sureness in yourself, all right? And in the relationship. And in the relation, exactly, that, and that's such a key. So I want to give a quick story, because I think this is Please. lines up perfectly. I once had a man, he came to me, he was having a problem in his marriage, and his issue was, his wife had this male best friend who she was showing all this attention to, okay? And he was like, they would be arguing about this friend,

• 1:02:08Stephan Speaks?

  and he, she just doesn't want to let go of this friend and all these things. And I said, well, listen, trying to argue against her friend when she's saying it's not, it's platonic, there's nothing there, you have nothing to worry about, is a very difficult battle. Let me ask you, what's the quality of the relationship? And he's like, oh, it's not that great, we got some issues. I said, okay, before we worry about this friend, let's focus on solidifying the relationship, all right? Let's make that strong, let's make that good, and then see what happens. He hit me up, I want to say like, three, four months later, he said, man, your advice worked perfectly. Oh, I love that. By him shifting his focus to the relationship quality, and fixing everything in there, the issue with the friend completely disappeared.

• 1:02:52Stephan Speaks?

  She naturally was not showing the friend any more attention like she was anymore. Just everything fell into place. So, going back to your point about jealousy, yes, I feel people aren't being honest with themselves, that they do not feel secure in their relationship for various reasons. And this attention that your partner is getting is a threat to you. It is a threat that, well, what if they like it so much, they take someone up on their offer? All right? But if you really felt good about yourself in this relationship, you're just not gonna worry about it. And I think also, it goes to a level of, I'm gonna use the word evolving in life, and understanding that you cannot control everything. So to me, I just feel like, and I have a feeling you're probably the same exact way. I'm not gonna be worried about this attention again.

• 1:03:37Stephan Speaks?

  And because at the end of the day, if you're gonna do something wrong, you're gonna do it wrong. Me trying to police you is a waste of my energy. It is too stressful. I don't want that life, all right? Do your thing. Now, if you do something you're not supposed to do, you will pay a consequence. I will let you go.

• 1:03:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:52Stephan Speaks?

  But I'm not gonna sit here and check on this and watch this, or you can't go here. Man, do what makes you happy. Enjoy yourself. And I want you to live in your truth. I don't wanna suppress you in any kind of way. And I'm gonna bring this up.

• 1:04:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Stephan Speaks?

  And I'm just gonna say this is a theory. I'm not saying I'm accurate, but it's something for everyone to think about. So, talking about attention, I do think that in most cases, the dynamic is usually the woman getting a ton of attention and the man not knowing how to handle that. And there are a lot of men on the internet who like, they go in on these women who, oh, you're always wanting this attention. You're posting here. There was even celebrities once that talked about something like that and they went in on her. Anyways, I have this theory or this question. I was like, what if attention for women is like sexual desire for men?

• 1:04:45Stephan Speaks?

  And what I mean by that is, you'll hear men make the argument of, well, I can have sex with these different women and it's nothing. It doesn't mean anything to me, but they just enjoy the sex. They would never leave the woman they love, all these things. And I'm not advocating for any cheating or anything. I'm just explaining this dynamic. Yes.

• 1:05:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Stephan Speaks?

  Well, that's how a lot of women view attention. She may enjoy attention, but she has no plan on entertaining any of those men. She will go back to her man, but she still likes to get a compliment. She likes to go out and hear people say, oh, you look good today. Oh, my gosh, that dress is nice. But it's not because like, she's this bad person. It just might be an inner desire. And again, there's gonna be different scales of that desire. There's gonna be some women who don't want attention at all. They don't like it, right? But there's gonna be others who love it. And I I think sometimes we demonize these things and it goes back to understanding and respecting the differences between the genders and between individuals.

• 1:05:44Stephan Speaks?

  Okay, and you I think for a man if or for a woman, if you're dealing with that person. What's important is to understand why they enjoy the attention. Where does that come from? Does it come from an inadequacy? Does it come from you not giving them attention? Are they starving at home? So now they have to go outside to get it, right? Or is it someone who just they they feed off of that stuff? They love it, but again, it doesn't make them a bad person. But to go back to your question, um, I don't think you have to be jealous of someone to love them. I can love you to death and not get jealous, you know, because again, I'm not worried about it. But I do think when we do get a little bit jealous, that's also like it's just normal.

• 1:06:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's normal. Yeah, it's yeah, I feel like the discomfort is natural. When it gets to jealousy and you're kind of ruining the relationship you have and now checking up and policing, as you said, that starts to become unhealthy and then ultimately if it's leading to an internal insecurity between you and yourself, I mean, it can spiral out of control and I think sometimes we almost want the other person to feel jealous. That's what I was trying to get at. It's like this feeling of like, oh, they don't get jealous when I get attention. It's like, well, it goes back to what you were saying. We're just trying to play games.

• 1:06:56Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:57Jay Shetty?

  Like, if it's coming from that place, of course, am I uncomfortable when it happens? Of course I am. If you love someone, you like someone, of course. But I don't want to make my partner have to feel jealous when I'm feeling that way, like that to try and keep them in entertain and try and keep them interested.

• 1:07:12Stephan Speaks?

  But that goes back to the point. If you are looking to make them jealous, is it because you're not getting what you need in this relationship in general?

• 1:07:21Jay Shetty?

  Probably, yeah.

• 1:07:21Stephan Speaks?

  You see what I'm saying? Like, something is probably missing where now, because a lot of people will do things to just get a reaction out of their partner.

• 1:07:28Jay Shetty?

  For sure.

• 1:07:28Stephan Speaks?

  It's because they want to see that you care.

• 1:07:30Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:07:31Stephan Speaks?

  And if I have to see that you care, that means you're not showing me in other ways, or at least I'm not feeling it in other ways that you care. There's a disconnect there. So rather than jumping to the whole make them jealous, because that's a dangerous game to play. Because what people don't realize is, yes, you may have succeeded in making them jealous. But you may have also planted a seed of insecurity.

• 1:07:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Stephan Speaks?

  And now they have to worry. Do you really want someone else's attention in time? Are you entertaining someone else? And so now, you got this initial great feeling of their jealousy. But what's the backlash that comes from it later on? You see what I'm saying? What have you created? So to me, you gotta go to the, it's always about getting to the real root of the issue. Why are we behaving in this way? Why are we trying to make this happen? Now, I think there's some couples where they just playfully do these things, it's not that serious to them, right? And that's fine. But you just wanna make sure this is not coming from an unhealthy place. Because you're gonna create a more unhealthy situation.

• 1:08:32Jay Shetty?

  One thing I love about your advice is that you're constantly encouraging people to have deeper communication. You keep saying, hey, but you gotta understand why you feel that way and where that comes from and how that person processes it and you, in all of your work, your amazing books, your YouTube channel, you're always talking about communication. How do you communicate with someone who doesn't like to communicate? Because there are so many people I know that if their partner asks them this kind of question, their partner will be like, I don't really think about that stuff. Or, I don't really know. Or, just go quiet. I've heard this from so many people. I'm sure you

• 1:09:12Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Jay Shetty?

  see it all the time. How do you communicate with someone who doesn't want to communicate?

• 1:09:17Stephan Speaks?

  Well, my, my initial response is gonna be, you don't communicate with them at all. You let them go.

• 1:09:22Jay Shetty?

  Let's say you've already gone too deep.

• 1:09:23Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah, and, and we know it's not always that simple.

• 1:09:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:26Stephan Speaks?

  So, and, and this is part of the problem of not understanding ourselves coming into it. Because the reality is that levels of communication or what each person needs is gonna differ, right? Some people need a lot of communication, some, not much. And so, when you're dealing with someone who cannot communicate, I, I do think you have to ask yourself, one, if this is not gonna change, are you gonna be okay? And also, what, which, which types of discussions are we unable to have? So for example, if a woman or man wants to be able to have like political discussions with their partner, right? And their partner doesn't wanna engage in that type of stuff. To me, That's not worth leaving them for. Now, of course, everyone's different.

• 1:10:11Stephan Speaks?

  And if it's gonna bother you to the point where it's gonna affect your ability to show up in this relationship the way that you need to, then you still should walk away regardless of what it means to me or how I view it or anyone else views it. However, I do think one of the things we're missing in many relationships is understanding how we can supplement certain things, right? So you know how they say it takes a village to raise a child? I think it takes a village to have successful marriages and relationships. Because, okay, maybe, and I'm again, I'm just gonna use the women as an example. Let's say you had something stressful happen to you today. You wanna call your husband, right? But he's busy right now, and he's busy a lot. And that can be very frustrating. Okay, well, maybe you can supplement it by talking to your mom first or your female friend.

• 1:10:54Stephan Speaks?

  That way you can get all your frustration now, you can vent, he can do his thing. And then when he has more time later, you can do a quick recap. And now that works for everybody, you see what I'm saying? But the problem is for some people, when your partner is your whole world and you don't have any outlets, this creates a lot of frustration and conflict. So I do think that's one when we consider the whole communication issue. But if, if we're having issues with discussing our relationship problems, things that need to be addressed,

• 1:11:26Jay Shetty?

  That's it, yeah.

• 1:11:27Stephan Speaks?

  That is, it's, it's hard for me to give any kind of work around that. Cause if we can't discuss it, how can we fix it? You see? And so, of course, I'm all for, you know, trying to understand what this person's hesitancy is, why they struggle in this way. Um, is, because a lot of times, it's not as simple as, well, they just don't communicate.

• 1:11:48Jay Shetty?

  Totally.

• 1:11:49Stephan Speaks?

  There's something going on. Maybe they feel like you're not gonna listen to what they have to say. They're used to being dismissed. Like, I, I have to throw out there. I love women, but women swear they're the greatest communicators and a lot of times they're not, okay? And they don't realize how in that moment, because they're so, women are so in tune with how they feel and they're so immersed in it, that it's easy for them to become blind to how it's impacting someone else, or how someone else is feeling in that same exact moment. See, when she's calm and cool, she probably can pick up on things easy, right? But when she's passionate, when she's feeling strongly about something, whatever, or she's frustrated, that blocks a lot.

• 1:12:33Stephan Speaks?

  And so, a lot of women don't realize in their discussions with their partners, how negative they were, how dismissive they were, all these things, and the dude shuts down. Yeah. And so going forward, he doesn't want to talk about anything, because to him it's pointless. This isn't gonna go anywhere, this is gonna be you saying how you feel, you're not gonna listen to how I feel, what's the point? It reminds me of how a lot of men don't want to go to counseling, because they view counseling as a one-sided affair. The woman's gonna say all the bad things that he does, and when he tries to express himself, it's gonna be used against him, so he's like, what's the point? So, as a woman, or a man, because it can happen to both sides, you have to start with, am I creating an environment for healthy communication? Yeah. Period. Yeah. All right?

• 1:13:18Stephan Speaks?

  Because if you're not, any attempts to pull out of them more communication is not gonna work. Yeah. All right? So start with checking yourself, checking your energy, checking your tone, how you're approaching things. I also think for people who are struggling to communicate, consider doing it via letters, right? Some people struggle to talk, but maybe if they can just write it down on their own time, it's gonna be so much easier for them. And then we can discuss the letters verbally, right? But start with the writing. And I think the writing is good even for those who can communicate verbally, because it's so easy for us to get distracted, for people to deflect, for things to get, just go off track in a verbal conversation.

• 1:14:02Stephan Speaks?

  But in a letter, where you get to sit down and make sure everything comes out, you're checking your tone, like, it's just a more full experience. And then for the person, when we listen, we tend to listen to rebuttal.

• 1:14:17Stephan Speaks?

  When we read, we read to process. Okay, so it's a very different approach that we take mentally. So now it's easier for your partner to understand and take in what you gotta say. When they can read it and they can read it over and over and they can fixate on one part. Okay, this might be what you mean and now we can discuss it and dive deeper. I think that would unlock a lot of people's communication issues.

• 1:14:42Jay Shetty?

  That's a great answer and also when you're forced to write. You don't say that much stuff that you don't mean.

• 1:14:48Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:48Jay Shetty?

  Right, when you have to write something down consciously, chances are you're gonna word it.

• 1:14:53Stephan Speaks?

  Exactly, you're not in the heat of the moment.

• 1:14:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, because you're trying to explain it and you don't just write it down in the same way. And as I was hearing you speak, I was just thinking. There's something I really want women to know that. You might be the first person. In that man's life. That's actually asked him.

• 1:15:10Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Jay Shetty?

  What's going on?

• 1:15:11Stephan Speaks?

  That's true.

• 1:15:12Jay Shetty?

  And so you may have to invite him to that conversation more than one time. You may have to make space. For his emotions and feelings more than one time and if every time you ask him. It's more of a demand. And a stress and a force and a push. Then actually it's just gonna make him quieter and quieter and quieter. But if every time. It's an understanding and it's space and it's open, then there may be a chance because. I feel like. You know, for most men. They were never asked about their emotions or feelings, there wasn't a space that they naturally just opened up. And hey, if someone's not opened up for twenty five, thirty, thirty five years. It's gonna be hard for them to just come out with it because you asked a great question.

• 1:15:56Stephan Speaks?

  Exactly.

• 1:15:56Jay Shetty?

  And so it's not that you're wrong or it reflects badly on your relationship. I just think a lot of men just haven't been given the opportunity to be there.

• 1:16:04Stephan Speaks?

  Absolutely, and and the reality is for some men. Certain things we just are not emotionally invested in or attached to in the way that she might be. And so to her, it's like, well, you should feel something about this. And like, no, I really don't. I don't see this any kind of way. I just want to go on with my day. And he may genuinely mean that. And so again, it goes back to respecting the differences between the genders. We do not process the same. We do not feel the same a lot of times, right? So that's going to lead to different levels of expression because there's not as much to express in certain situations. And it's just like, again, you got to make sure you can be okay with that.

• 1:16:45Stephan Speaks?

  It's not even a right or wrong thing in many cases. It's just a, okay, does that work for you or no? And if it doesn't, it's going to cause a problem. All right, then maybe we are in the wrong relationship. But if otherwise, all right, then we can still work.

• 1:16:58Jay Shetty?

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• 1:18:31Stephan Speaks?

  Past this.

• 1:18:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, for sure. I'm really glad we went there because I think that's blocking so many people in that space. I feel like one of the big things that we talked about last time, and I wanted to talk about it a bit differently this time, is breakups. Because I feel like there's still this feeling that people have, and they can't not, where if someone breaks up with you, it breaks your world, you take it completely personally, and it makes you lose faith in love. So someone not only broke up with you, they broke your faith in love, and now you don't believe love exists. What are the natural feelings and emotions we all have to go through in a breakup that you can't avoid?

• 1:19:16Stephan Speaks?

  Well, one thing I want to point out before I get to that is this. I think we have to start with understanding love is not relationship. We're conflating those two things, and it's creating all kinds of issues and confusion. All right? Like, you'll hear people say, "Well, everyone deserves to be loved." Okay, they can be loved by their mother, by their friends, by society, whoever. That doesn't mean you qualify for a relationship. And someone can love you, or you can love someone. But if certain things aren't in place to have a successful relationship, it still won't work. So we have to understand that a breakup doesn't automatically mean someone doesn't love you, nor does someone want to be in a relationship with you mean that they love you. Because a man or woman who wants to use you could want to be in a relationship with you,

• 1:20:01Stephan Speaks?

  could want to marry you. It has nothing to do with love. It's two separate things, all right? Now, with that understood, what we have to understand when we're going through a breakup is... One, all is not lost. Like, we gotta start there. Because it's so, it's so easy to feel like our whole world is now crumbling before our eyes. We're devastated, how are we gonna get past this? And it's like, listen, all is not lost. There's been billions of people who have gone through a breakup and who have survived. But who all felt like in that moment, they don't know how they're gonna continue, okay? We have to remember, this is just a moment. Life is about moments, alright? If you let the moment get the best of you, it can throw everything off.

• 1:20:45Stephan Speaks?

  But when you can conquer that moment, you're on the right track. You can keep moving forward in a good direction. So, keep that in perspective. But of course, that's hard to do when you're still going through the breakup. I also think, going back to the point that I made, is stop questioning if they love you, okay? Because that, I think, is what weighs on some people the most. It's like, I gave them all this time and energy, all these years, and they didn't even love me. It's like, no, no, no, no. They could have still loved you, but there's another issue that exists here. And what people, this goes back to, unfortunately, I understand because I'm a coach, and I've spoken to thousands of people, and I've seen millions of situations,

• 1:21:28Stephan Speaks?

  how much different issues play into why people do what they do, okay? But everyone is so used to the very surface level perspective of, well, okay, if, for example, if this person breaks up, and they jump into a new relationship where clearly they never loved you. That's not true. Some people do that because they love you so much, and they can't deal with the pain, and they figure, I need someone to distract me from this. So they don't love the new person, okay? Now, granted, could it be the other way around, that they never loved you? That is possible, that is possible. But it isn't always what you think it is, alright? So trying to dwell on and question if they love me, it's, it's not healthy because,

• 1:22:10Stephan Speaks?

  one, we cannot prove or disprove it, okay? They can claim it, we, we just have to accept whatever is being presented to us. Because at the end of the day, what evidence can you bring forth that says guaranteed, this was love or not love? But two, you just don't, you, you can't rely on what you're seeing and experiencing to answer that question. And the question is less about, do they love you? And the better question to ask yourself is, are we best for each other right now? Because even if there's love, if we're not best for each other right now, this is probably a blessing in disguise. All right, and most, most breakups, if not all, are a blessing in disguise. We just can't see where the blessing is in that moment.

• 1:22:53Stephan Speaks?

  The blessing could simply be, for some people, not all, that the relationship just needed certain things addressed, and you guys will be able to come back together and make it better than ever. The blessing might be, this was never the person for you. And had they not broken up with you, you would have never walked away from them. Like, I've said to people, and this may sound bad, but this is just real. I've said at my shows before, some of you needed to be cheated on. Because if you weren't, you would have never left that relationship. But you always knew it was an unhealthy relationship. It was toxic way before the cheating occurred. But you were in denial of that and were trying to hold on to something that wasn't best for you. And you needed something strong enough to break you free from that situation.

• 1:23:36Stephan Speaks?

  So it's a blessing as much as it hurt in that moment. The other thing we have to, you, you mentioned it, and I think it's very important for people to understand is, stop internalizing the whole thing. All right, because again, even in situations where people break up with us and they hurt us, and let's say, we can't point to anything wrong, right, that was done. We don't know what they're battling. Like, we, it's the whole hurt people, hurt people, okay? It's not really about us. There's something within them. So I, I recently had a situation where a woman is devastated because a man broke up with her because the fa- his family would not accept her. They did something that they weren't supposed to do early on in the process that goes against the family's beliefs.

• 1:24:21Stephan Speaks?

  And even though she's, this man loves her, he wanted to marry her. But the family was like, they'll disown him if she, if he goes forward with it. So in something like that, again, she has all these questions running through her head. She's internalizing and it's like, no, but there's something at play here that even he can't. Well, I'm not gonna say he can't control because he can choose to not let his family. Yeah, exactly. But that's not as easy as, oh, if you love someone, you'll do. No, it's not that simple, unfortunately, right? So there's just so much more at play. So going back to the question of the emotions we go through during the breakup. The main thing is, I believe we do have to give ourselves a moment to grieve. It's normal, it's okay. And in grieving, it's about releasing, all right?

• 1:25:05Stephan Speaks?

  So if you need to cry, cry, right? If you're angry, let yourself be angry. Flush out, detox all those emotions. But then we have to pick a deadline. Like, I'm a believer in, I don't give myself any more than three days, all right? Three days to grieve, whatever it is, whatever disappointment, hurt. After three days, get back on my feet, get to work and go through my healing process, all right? For some people, it might be seven days. For somebody else, it might be two, whatever the case may be. You have to give yourself a structure of, all right, I'm not gonna dwell in this. I'm gonna start working past this in a healthy way. Because again, too many people focus on the whole get under someone to get over someone, which is completely unhealthy and bad, okay?

• 1:25:50Stephan Speaks?

  And all these other methods of trying to move forward that are only keeping them stuck emotionally, but they're moving forward on the surface, all right? So there's a lot of people who've moved on to other relationships, even marriages, but never overcame it emotionally. And they do not realize how that is still playing a part, not only in who you choose to be with, but in how you show up in that relationship.

• 1:26:18Jay Shetty?

  For sure, man, for sure, yeah, it's such a.

• 1:26:22Jay Shetty?

  When I'm listening to you speak, I'm just thinking like there are so many people carrying someone else's baggage into a new relationship. And not allowing the new person to be the person they are.

• 1:26:38Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:39Jay Shetty?

  And you realize it's your old baggage that's blocking this one.

• 1:26:42Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:43Jay Shetty?

  And their old baggage that's blocking this one. And then you may lose that one. In that, do you believe that there's right person, wrong time?

• 1:26:50Stephan Speaks?

  Absolutely. I'm a hundred percent believer in that. I know a lot of people argue against it, but I have so many stories of people who, let's say, met in college, right? And something went wrong, and then ten, fifteen years later reunite. And maybe even in between that time, married someone else or other relationships or whatever. And now they're back together and it's the best relationship ever. Again, it goes back to people understanding, love is one thing, relationship is another. So you could experience connection, you could experience real love. But if that person still has things they need to heal from, it is very likely going to derail the situation. All right? If they are not ready, maybe they haven't gotten themselves together in certain ways

• 1:27:34Stephan Speaks?

  that they can feel more secure about themselves. That's going to derail the situation. People need to evolve. It's not as simple as, oh, we love each other. Everything's supposed to work perfectly. That's not life. That's not real life. I would love for it to be that way. It's just not. And so a lot of people don't accept the fact that, and, and I'm a very spiritual person, so I believe in praying about everything. And I believe one of the mistakes people make is that for those who are believers, they don't pray and talk to God about if they should move forward or if they should be with this person. And they don't realize that sometimes we could be presented with something so that we can see that it's there, but doesn't mean it's time for us to have it yet. It's almost like sometimes you could be presented with an opportunity business-wise.

• 1:28:18Stephan Speaks?

  And you may feel like, yeah, I'm ready for it. Let's, let's do it, boom, boom, boom. But you're not really prepared. Now, if you, if you went from a spiritual place and understood and let God, your spirit, guide you, it would tell you, no, slow down, don't do it just yet. But think about it like the person who, they, they win the lottery. They win millions of dollars. They've been hoping for this all their life. And they blow through that million in a few months, or their whole life is ruined. Why? It was not time for them to have that kind of money. They did not learn the lessons they need to learn. They were not prepared for that level of financial freedom or whatever, access. And the same thing happens in relationships. People aren't ready for that level of vulnerability.

• 1:29:01Stephan Speaks?

  They're not ready for that level of responsibility. You know, perfect example is like if a woman finds her first love in high school, or man or woman. But I'll say this happens a lot to women where she's head over heels over this guy. But this is a young man who has not developed at all emotionally. Chances are, he's gonna mess up and this situation is gonna fall apart. And those who have survived, not all, but many who have survived finding love that young. They either, one, just dealt with all the bumps and stayed together. Or they had that village around them to help them get through these situations, to teach them.

• 1:29:43Stephan Speaks?

  He had guidance, she had guidance, that allowed them to have love and make it work at such a young age. So when you hear about back in the days, people marrying younger, yet they had community. Yeah. That made a huge difference. But now you have people essentially on an island, being young, trying to make a relationship work. And it's like, yo, like, we're asking too much. Some people get lucky, but the majority won't survive that. And, and I'm using a high school example, but that can happen, that can happen as grown adults. Yeah. People could be thirty, forty, fifty years old, older. And certain things have stunted their emotional growth. And they're still not truly ready for that level of commitment. Yeah. So, yeah, but again, that doesn't mean they're the wrong person, okay?

• 1:30:28Stephan Speaks?

  Because the person is about the character. It's about the traits that fit together, right? That can be in harmony with each other. But they still have to develop certain aspects that will allow a relationship to thrive. Which is why some people, I feel the need to say, it's kind of hitting my spirit. You'll have these situations where they can be great friends, but they can't be in a relationship, right? And for some of those people, it's a matter of when they tried to be in a relationship, they were not emotionally ready for that. And there was conflict in how we handled that. But who they are as people, it's like this, right? So that's why the friendship continues.

• 1:31:10Stephan Speaks?

  And now, I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but I'm gonna say it, for at least some of these people, that's their true love.

• 1:31:18Jay Shetty?

  For sure.

• 1:31:19Stephan Speaks?

  But because everything went wrong the first go around, they're too afraid to leave the friendship box. So now it's like, nah, let's just be friends. That's where we operate best, right? But in reality, no, you guys just need to evolve emotionally and heal, and you will actually be able to come back together for some people, not all. I don't want every friend person right now thinking. That's their situation.

• 1:31:43Jay Shetty?

  Cause over this fifty percent is always wanted that too, so yeah.

• 1:31:47Stephan Speaks?

  You know, but it happens a lot.

• 1:31:49Jay Shetty?

  I love that. Stephan, I've got one last question for you, and it applies to both, so it'll be two answers.

• 1:31:54Stephan Speaks?

  Okay.

• 1:31:55Jay Shetty?

  If there's a man and a woman listening right now, and both of them are feeling insecure about dating, unconfident about relationships, they've had a bit of rough luck, they're trying to do the work on themselves, be aware, accept who they are, they're doing the healing, but they're in a tough place, what would you say to them?

• 1:32:20Stephan Speaks?

  Just keep pushing forward. Like, don't, don't get discouraged, you know? Everything is a process. It's like even trying to become successful. The majority, if not every successful person that I know, has a story of having to go through the grind and having moments where we want to quit. We want to give up, we're like, this is not working anymore, I can't keep doing this. But we, we trusted, whether it be our spirit, our passion, whatever, kept pushing, and eventually the breakthrough happens, and then boom. We're never, we're successful the rest of our lives, as long as we keep working, we're successful. And so with dating and relationships, I believe it's the same thing. People want love to be this very pop it in the microwave and everything's ready.

• 1:33:03Stephan Speaks?

  And it's like, no, it's a process, and you may have to meet several people. And I say meet, I understand you have to get romantically involved with everybody, but you're gonna have to come across some situations, you're gonna have to learn, you have to grow. And even when you're doing all the right things, don't think it's not working. It reminds me of working out. You could work out for months, do all the right things. Look at yourself in the mirror and be like, there's no progress. Why? Because all you're looking at is your stomach.

• 1:33:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:31Stephan Speaks?

  And you're like, well, my stomach hasn't gone down the way I want. But what you're found to look at is your arms are more cut. You've got more muscles in your legs, your stamina's up. What you're doing is working. You're just looking at the one final result to validate the work.

• 1:33:47Jay Shetty?

  Oh, so good.

• 1:33:47Stephan Speaks?

  So understand that in this process, you are growing. It is working. Things are developing. But yes, the relationship result may take a little bit longer. And it's kind of going back to that fitness example. What they tell you is when you're losing fat, sometimes it'll go, it'll lose everywhere and then the stomach will be the last place. And then when it finally hits the stomach, it comes off like crazy. So it's the same thing. You might be seeing all these other things improve first and you're not seeing the relationship. You're not seeing the relationship. But then when it finally hits, it's great. It's amazing. So just keep pushing forward, keep doing what you need to do. Continue to be open to whatever you need to improve upon.

• 1:34:28Stephan Speaks?

  Never get in the mindset of, well, I'm great and the world is just ridiculous. It's like, no, what can I continue to do better? What can I tweak? What adjustments can I make? Because sometimes it is a matter of a small adjustment that will make a huge difference. And I think as long as you keep an open mind and you don't view not having the result right now as a defeat. Right? You understand this is a process. You will get to your destination at some point.

• 1:34:57Jay Shetty?

  Well said. As Stephan speaks, thank you always, Stephan. I appreciate these conversations with you. You always have like this ability to just.

• 1:35:07Jay Shetty?

  Pull things apart to really look at them for what they are. I really appreciate you, man. The way you think about things is so refreshing and all encompassing. And I hope everyone who's been listening or watching, I hope you have better fortune from a deeper place because of the advice that Stephan shared today. And please make sure you subscribe to Stephan's YouTube channel. Check out his books if you're someone who loves reading and listening, audiobooks too.

• 1:35:31Stephan Speaks?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:35:32Jay Shetty?

  And Stephan, is there anywhere else you'd like people to find you right now? Anything you've got going on?

• 1:35:35Stephan Speaks?

  Just go to my site, Stephan Speaks Shop or my YouTube, you know, check me out. Hopefully I can connect with more and more people and just help as many people as possible. Find love and find just a better overall life. It's not just about relationship, or at least it starts relationship with self. You know, and getting that right and everything else falling in place. Well, for me, self and God.

• 1:35:58Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. Well, excited to have you back. You'll always have an opening.

• 1:36:01Stephan Speaks?

  Our pleasure.

• 1:36:02Jay Shetty?

  Thank you, my friend.

• 1:36:03Stephan Speaks?

  Thank you.

• 1:36:03Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. If you loved this episode, you're going to love my conversation with Matthew Hussey on how to get over your ex and find true love in your relationships.

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