Benny Blanco: 3 Ways to Stop Caring About Failure & Get Out of Your Own Way

How can you overcome the fear of failure? What can you do daily to care less about failing? Today, Jay sits down with Benny Blanco for an inspiring conversation about pursuing passions, mentorship, failure, and continuous motivation. Benny has made a huge mark on the music industry contributing to hundreds of millions of album sales worldwide. Benny has worked with A-List artists like Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber, and Katy Perry. As a solo artist, his albums "Friends Keep Secrets" and its sequel have amassed over 11 billion streams, featuring multiple platinum hits. Beyond music, Benny has ventured into television and even released a cookbook, "Open Wide," showcasing his diverse talents and interests Benny shares insight on how to not let failure stop you and getting over imposter syndrome. We also go dive into Benny’s life outside of music, exploring his passion for cooking through his cookbook "Open Wide." Plus, Benny talks about his relationships, how he keeps his creativity flowing, and the small joys that make his life special. In this interview, you’ll learn: How to pursue your passion with limited resources How to not let failure get in your way of achieving your goals How to embrace the unexpected in creative work How to transition your passion into different fields How to find joy and creativity in everyday moments Don't miss this intimate look at Benny Blanco's life and maybe learn a thing or two about making your own multi-track masterpiece or the perfect dish to serve at dinner! With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 03:43 What’s the First Creative Thing You Put Together? 06:15 I Never Cared About Failure 10:33 Developing Amnesia to Failure 14:22 How Did You Meet Your Mentor? 18:10 “The Boy I Mentored” 23:42 How Do You Show Up After a Rejection? 26:51 Love Can Be Felt Through Music 29:56 What Do You Do When You Wake Up? 32:02 Why Do You Struggle with Meditation? 33:28 Why I Went to Therapy 38:25 The Pressure of Perfectionism 44:49 Do You Love to Cook? 47:20 Do You Eat Healthy? 48:47 Finding Comfort in Food 54:42 What’s Your Sleep Pattern? 56:40 Friendships Built Over the Years 59:19 Multigenerational Friendships 01:03:44 Better Relationship After Divorce 01:05:52 Benny on Final Five 01:15:57 What’s Your Vice? 01:17:53 Do You Take Supplements? Episode Resources: Benny Blanco | TikTok Benny Blanco | Instagram Benny Blanco | YouTube Benny Blanco | Twitter Benny Blanco | Facebook See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:11Benny Blanco?

  I walked in and I had a hard drive filled with all of my music. He like took it, he listened to it, he threw my hard drive out the window, broke into a million pieces, not good enough, start again. Musician, producer. A body of work that this guy has produced or written.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  Your list goes on and on and on. Benny Blanco.

• 2:27Benny Blanco?

  If you want to try to be like a musician, an entrepreneur, it's scary. If you're gonna fail, who cares? The second I film, I'm like, the next day I wake up, I'm like, alright, let's do it again.

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• 3:15Speaker 04

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• 3:18Speaker 05

  Jay Shetty. Jay Shetty. The one, the only Jay Shetty.

• 3:24Jay Shetty?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you who come back every week to become happier, healthier and more healed. You know that I love diving into the minds of people I find fascinating, to dive into how people are creative, how people become conscious, and how people create things that the world gets excited about. I think I've always been a student of life and a student of people's journeys. And here we get to go back in time and find out what those key moments were in people's lives. Today's guest is someone that I've been dying to have on the show. I'm so excited that he's here in the studio. I've been feeling his energy and vibe already. I'm excited to share it with you all. I'm speaking about the one and only Benny Blanco,

• 4:07Jay Shetty?

  record producer, songwriter, artist, actor, record executive, and cookbook author, I'll have you know, I'll tell you about that in a second. Benny has contributed to the sale of hundreds of millions of albums worldwide through his Work with some of your favorite artists, including Ed Sheeran, Scissor, Justin Bieber, Rihanna, Katy Perry, The Weeknd, Maroon 5, Juice WRLD, Sia, and many more. As a solo artist, Benny has released two albums, Friends Keep Secrets and Friends Keep Secrets 2, that have been streamed more than 11 billion times to date and have featured multiple platinum hits. Benny made his TV debut playing a fictionalized version of himself on the FFX series Dave with Little Dicky.

• 4:51Jay Shetty?

  If you haven't seen it, that episode is brilliant. Benny's most recent project is his first cookbook, Open Wide. You can get it right now. We'll be diving into that as well. Welcome to the show, Benny Blanco.

• 5:04Benny Blanco?

  Wow, that was so cool. I want you to walk around with me all the time and say this. I get why you're the number one podcast for health. When you were talking, my jaw was dropped. I was just mesmerized by everything.

• 5:19Jay Shetty?

  Benny, I want to do the introduction now. Every time you go on stage, every time you're there, it has to be, you know.

• 5:24Benny Blanco?

  I know, I gotta come up with one for you. I'd be like, perfect skin, beautiful eyes, wavy hair.

• 5:32Jay Shetty?

  You're talking about yourself.

• 5:32Benny Blanco?

  No, I'm talking about you, baby.

• 5:34Jay Shetty?

  Same thing.

• 5:35Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, we're saying we're interchangeable.

• 5:37Jay Shetty?

  We've got curly hair, we've got colored eyes, you've got good skin. I love it. Benny, it's such a joy to have you here and I'm excited to dive into everything that I was just talking about. But when I'm sitting with someone like you who, you know, creativity is at your fingertips, it's kind of embedded into your whole life. I'm always intrigued. What's your earliest childhood memory of being creative? Like, do you remember the first thing you put together? You're just telling me you even had this shirt made that you're wearing today. Like, what was one of the first things you remember saying? Oh, wow, I did something as a kid.

• 6:07Benny Blanco?

  Okay, here's what I really remember. So, you know, I didn't have the luxury of having like insane musical instruments at my fingertips and recording studios. And I was from the middle of nowhere. So, I, my brother had a boombox, an old school boombox, and I had a smaller old school boombox. And I was lit, I remember my earliest memories of probably, I'm probably like five or six. And I remember realizing that.

• 6:43Benny Blanco?

  Music, you know, when I first heard music, I always thought that the like the musician was at the radio station singing the song. And I was like, how do they keep coming back to the station? I didn't even understand how music was created. But somewhere very early, I figured out that it was like a multi-track situation. And I would take, I had a boombox and I would record like me like hitting like this into the boombox. Okay. Then I would press play on that one. And then I would do the next thing on the other boombox and record into that one. And I would keep going back and forth until I created like a track. Well, I guess I was creating like my own like eight track

• 7:25Benny Blanco?

  and multi-track of layering things. And I didn't even know what it was. But I was just so excited that I was doing it. And my whole career has been a version of that. Like, I have no training. I'm not good at anything. I'm really like, I like, I like, I know people are like, oh, you're being humble. I'm really not great at anything. I have like a ultimate will to get things done. Like, I'm like, this will happen. But no, it's just, I'm always trial and error. And I always tell people, people are always just like, well, how did you do this? How did you? And I'm like, honestly, like, just going in and I, I, I call it making a mess. I like to go in and throw a bunch of shit

• 8:10Benny Blanco?

  around the room, throw paint at everything. And then we worry about cleaning it up later. But maybe a few of those things just happen to land correctly. And I just keep doing that until everything fully lands where I want it to. And I'm just playing cleanup around the sides.

• 8:24Jay Shetty?

  That's a beautiful way of describing the process. But what gave you that? Where does that will or that confidence come from? Because I think a lot of people are scared of creating a mess, or scared of things not sticking. So they never try. Whereas it sounds like you're the opposite, where you're like, well, I don't care if it doesn't try. I'm willing to give it a go. Where does that inner confidence, that inner ability to say, hey, it's okay, come from?

• 8:48Benny Blanco?

  I don't care about failure at all. I don't care. And I never did. I think when I was younger, I didn't understand what failure was. Like when you're, you know, when you're six, when you're seven, when you're 12, you don't, there's not many people to let down. You know what I mean? You let down Timmy at school. He's your friend. Sorry, Timmy. But, but you.

• 9:09Benny Blanco?

  You're not thinking about that. And I always, I just remember from the beginning, like, my mom was like, I wanted to drop out of school. And, you know, my mom was raising me alone. And it was, I was probably fifteen, sixteen at the time. And I was like, Mom, I know what I want to do. She was like, what do you want to do? I'm like, the music stuff. Like, I'm so into it and I know. And I looked at her and I go, I know I'm gonna be the biggest in the world. And she was just like, what are you? You know, and I've asked her, I've asked my mom, like, later in life, like, how did you, like, trust me in my journey? And she always said that she had dreams that she never got to try in her life. And a lot of people are just way too scared to take the jump.

• 9:50Benny Blanco?

  You know, a lot of people may have, I'm sure everyone in this room, anyone listening, has a little something where they're like, oh, I really like that. But they're scared. They're scared. They're like, you know, I, you know, I want to post videos of me cooking online. Nah, nah, nah, no one will like it. My friends will make fun of me. I want to, I sing in the shower, like, I want, no, no, no, no, no. Because we're taught to just follow suit and do whatever you're supposed to do. You report to your boss, but, but it doesn't have to be like that. Like, if you want to try to be like a musician, an entrepreneur, whatever, it's scary. And like, I'm sure you've had moments like that where you're like, yo, what am I doing? But if you do try, I believe that if you keep pushing yourself and you keep trying, you're gonna succeed.

• 10:35Benny Blanco?

  And I always tell people this, it may not be in what you start with, you know? Like, when I started, I thought I was going to be the biggest rap artist in the world. And am I a rapper now? No. And then I moved into producing. And then I moved into songwriting. And then it's come full circle now where I'm like an artist of some sorts again. And I think you just jump in and just try something. Just try. And who cares? If you're gonna fail, who cares if you fail? I don't understand, that's the thing I don't understand. It's just, you just get up and you do it again. I, like, I have amnesia the second I fail. The second I fail, I'm like, the next day I wake up, I'm like, all right, let's do it again. You know?

• 11:18Jay Shetty?

  That's an amazing mindset. So we share something in common already. We both grew up wanting to be famous rappers.

• 11:23Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 11:23Jay Shetty?

  I'm being too.

• 11:24Benny Blanco?

  Did you?

• 11:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 11:24Benny Blanco?

  No.

• 11:24Jay Shetty?

  That was like my passion, like poetry, spoken word, writing lyrics. Like all I listened to was hip hop and rap growing up. If you ask me at 16 years old, what I wanted to be, that's what I wanted to be. And it's so interesting because today I feel I use the same skills that I wanted to use then, but in a completely different way. I still write. I write books instead of records. I teach meditation, which includes music, includes cadence, it includes rhyme often, but not in the way that a rapper would. And I'm using spoken word constantly to get messages out into the world, but in a different way. And so I love what you just said about that idea of how you actually may succeed, but in a way completely different to what you originally dreamed of.

• 12:06Benny Blanco?

  I hope it goes full circle for you. I want to hear, I need to hear the Jay Shetty rap tape. What was your rap name?

• 12:12Jay Shetty?

  Oh God, I don't know if I need to go that far.

• 12:15Benny Blanco?

  Okay.

• 12:15Jay Shetty?

  It was embarrassing, but I'll tell you later.

• 12:17Benny Blanco?

  Okay.

• 12:17Jay Shetty?

  I'll tell you privately. Yeah.

• 12:18Benny Blanco?

  Tell me later. Is Jay Shetty your real name?

• 12:20Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 12:21Benny Blanco?

  It's such a, that's the perfect rap.

• 12:23Jay Shetty?

  Is it?

• 12:23Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, Jay Shetty sounds like a fire rapper.

• 12:26Jay Shetty?

  Really?

• 12:26Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, from like East London.

• 12:28Jay Shetty?

  Okay, I'm from North London, so not far.

• 12:30Benny Blanco?

  All right.

• 12:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, not far. Okay, cool. I like it. I like it. But no, I really appreciate what you're saying there. And I think that amnesia to failure, wow, like that, that's, I love that idea of having amnesia with failure. Can you give me a time, was that always the case? Or was there a failure that like, did kind of pierce that veil? It never has. I can see from your face.

• 12:53Benny Blanco?

  No, I remember when I was gonna quit music one time before I made, right before I made it, my, my mentor passed away. He, uh, he took his own life. And I was really young. It was one of my best friends and I'm probably like 18. And I remember like sitting in my bed and I was just like, I was like crying. I like, didn't understand, you know, it was one of the first.

• 13:20Benny Blanco?

  Times that somebody who wasn't supposed to die, died. You know, I've had like, you know, I've lost my grandmother and lost my grandfather. But it was like the first time in my life where like someone that like, I really knew. And really touched me and I talked to them the day before they died. And it's like, ah, I remember like that hitting me like so hard in a way that I didn't know was even possible. Like, you know, I'd been sad, I had, but I, I remember sitting there in bed and I was just like, I'm just gonna quit. I was like, I gotta quit making music. And then in that very same moment, like my head flipped and I was just like, no, you can't. You gotta like take on what this dude started.

• 14:04Benny Blanco?

  Cause he didn't, he was also a musician and he didn't get totally, he was, you know, he was well known and he was a hero to me. But he didn't get where I think he deserved to. And I remember being like, I gotta do this, like I got it, like he would want me to be doing this. He would, and that was like the only time where it wasn't even failure. It was like the only time where I like really questioned things and, but don't get me wrong. Every time I do something good in life, I'm questioning. It's not, but it's like a different feeling. I don't know if you have this, but I'll have a number one song, like a number one song. It's the biggest song in the whole world. And I, I'll like look in the mirror and I'll be, oh, that's the last one. Like definitely not gonna have another number one song again.

• 14:48Benny Blanco?

  Not saying I'm like scared of the failure. I'm just like, oh, that's just like the last one. That's what I did or all, something really good will happen in my life. And I'm like, oh, I'll never recreate that again. And, but in the same breath, I'm like, let's go. Like, I'm like, let's keep rolling, you know? And, and I've, I've tried to do this thing lately, uh, in the last like five or 10 years, where I really like take in my achievements. Cause for a while I never thought of them. I would just keep going. Like when it was time, they'd be like, oh, your song's number one. I'd be like, okay, that's cool. What are we doing next week? And I figured out like it's okay to do that. It's okay to like take a breath and be like, yo, we just did this shit. Like this is tight. Like we did this, this is great.

• 15:31Benny Blanco?

  And, and yeah, I just, I, I'm trying to do that more. And failure, like, no, I've never had one of those times because whenever I do fail, I'll sit. And I'll, obviously like I'll sit there and I'll be like, this didn't work. How out, how I wanted it to. But so many times have been the opposite where I was like, this will never work. And then it's rigged. So it's like, I feel like it always evens out. And you only have one other choice. It's like, your only choice is just to keep going. What are you supposed to do? Just be like, oh, it didn't work. No, get up and you do it again.

• 16:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I've got so many questions. I want to dive into so much that you said. So rewinding with your mentor, how did you first? And, and I'm so sorry to hear, thank you for sharing with us. You know, such a challenging event. And I lost my mentor four years ago. He passed away from stage four brain cancer during the pandemic. So I couldn't go back to see him because I couldn't take a flight. And so I couldn't, couldn't be at his funeral. So, you know, that, yeah, it was super rough for me. It was more recent, but how did you meet your mentor? And how did you form a bond? I think a lot of successful people have mentors. They have guides, they have teachers, they have coaches. But then sometimes when you're listening to a conversation, you're like this, you're like, I want someone to be my mentor, but I don't know where to start and how to find them. Like, what does that mean?

• 16:50Jay Shetty?

  Like, how did you connect?

• 16:52Benny Blanco?

  I had, I've had so many mentors. I have mentors every day. I'm a mentor to people, but sometimes my mentees are my mentor. Like I'm always, you always got to be open to just listening and learning. Every day I learned something. I was in the studio yesterday with a guy who was one of my mentees. Like the way I met, I gotta tell you that story later. That's, that's insane. I'll, I'll go to that. I'll tell that after. First one is I met my mentor. I was, this is when, he was like my second or third mentor. I, I met a lot of my really important mentors in my life when I was about 13. Um, I was a musician. I was traveling for music at the time.

• 17:33Benny Blanco?

  I had gotten like some buzz and MySpace was a thing.

• 17:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I was on MySpace.

• 17:39Benny Blanco?

  And I had somehow created a profile where I had a bunch of followers. Okay. So I don't even remember how I did it, but I was a kid. I used to do it in the library at school and. There was this guy, he was a producer. I was obsessed with him. I DM, well, messaged him, the, the, the equivalent of DM today. And I remember messaging him and I was like, I love your stuff, blah, blah, blah. And then, no response. And I was like, oh, I, I love you, like, please, blah, blah, blah. No response. Then I saw, like, a few weeks later, he was advertising, he was like, I have studio time available. It's like, you know, $500 or something. And I remember just being like, okay, the only way I'm gonna meet this guy

• 18:23Benny Blanco?

  is if I get the studio time. So, I say, I'm interested in the studio time. He says, great. Come to New York and meet me here. He had no idea where I was. I drove to New York. And I drove, we drove like four hours to New York. I get to New York, I get in with him. The first thing I say is, I'm like, I don't really need studio time. I just wanna talk to you. Please, I'll do anything. I just wanna work with you. I'll do whatever you say. But then he was just like, this was insane. He said, I'm leaving this weekend. I need my studio booked the whole weekend. It's $850 for the, for the two days. You need to book it. If you can book it, I'll let you work for me.

• 19:04Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 19:05Benny Blanco?

  I called every single person I know. I spent every, you know, I had like, a few hundred bucks. Then like, I would like, beg my friends for money. I had like, a few, knew a few rappers at the time that wanted studio time. And I like, figured it out. And he was just like, he got back, I did it, like, I just did it in the nick of time. And he was just like, alright, you can work, you start next week. And I would, I would drive up every weekend from Virginia to work with him, when I, from when I was like 16, 17. And we created this bond and it was like, he was tough on me. It was like, he was like, not an easy guy. Like, I remember like, I, I walked in and I had a hard drive filled with all of my music, okay? Everything I had been making.

• 19:46Benny Blanco?

  And he like, took it, he listened to it, he ejected it, and then he threw it out the window. He threw my hard drive out the window, broke into a million pieces, no more hard drive. And he was like, not good enough, start again. And it was like, yeah, he was like, super sensei. It was like karate kid. And I like, hated him in the moments for it, but so many, he taught me so many things that like, I learned and taught me things not to do as a mentor. And like, and, you know, I, it was, it was a really special time. And now, I just wanna jump to this, okay?

• 20:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, please, yeah, go on. I love it, let it flow.

• 20:21Benny Blanco?

  So, I'm- You know, this is, I don't know, almost 10 years ago now, maybe eight years ago. And I'm playing poker at a friend's house. And my, my friend puts me on her story, uh, her Instagram story. And the next day she comes to me and she said, hey, my friend's son saw you on my story. And apparently you're like a big deal in music. And she was just like, you have to have him come work for you. And I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, you have to have him come work for you. I was like, I don't, I don't need anyone else. I already have assistants, interns. And they were like, no, you have to.

• 21:03Benny Blanco?

  And this lady is like a very, there isn't really, you don't get to have a choice. So I was like, all right, I'll meet him. So this kid comes in. He's 15 years old. He's like, like everything, like he's just so excited. And he like was so sweet and he reminded me of me when I was a kid. He was like, I'll do anything. I'll work for you, blah, blah, blah. I was like, all right, come work for me. He comes and works for me. I still like am spending a lot of time in New York at the time. And so I don't see him. He's just like building a studio for me and has never even met me besides that one day. But he like, he does it for like a year.

• 21:43Benny Blanco?

  Then like I finally come back to LA and I, I'm like, all right. You ready to come into some recording studios? And he was like, he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm so excited. So like, you know, first week, first three sessions. It's his first session is The Weeknd. His second section is Travis Scott. And like his third session was like Maroon 5. So it's like, he's getting thrown into it. So I remember we're at the first session and I'm just like, be cool, blah, blah. It's a, it's The Weeknd and The Weeknd's in there and we're like all in a room. And we're just like singing into microphones, like we're chilling. And he's like, I know his mind's blown. Weeknd's his favorite artist at the time.

• 22:24Benny Blanco?

  And I remember he, when no one's looking, he like sneaks a picture and he accidentally has his flash on. So it goes, and it has the noise too. And so it's like, and when it did it, he went, ah, and he threw his phone. And, and somehow.

• 22:44Benny Blanco?

  The weekend didn't notice and like I pulled him aside after and I'm like dude, you can't do that blah blah. Fast forward, he's in high school and I say, hey, I'm in the middle of, I was in the middle of making Ed Sheeran's Divide album and I was producing the whole thing and I was like, I need some help on the road. If I talk to your school and get you off, will you come? And he was like, yeah, of course. Took him on the road for like two weeks. Mine was blown. Uh, then you know, he starts going to NYU School, Clive Davis School of Music and he, uh, I have another opportunity. I talked to his teachers. I take him on the road for like a month. We're on tour with Halsey. Then

• 23:25Benny Blanco?

  he's coming back to work for me now. Okay. We've never talked about him making music at all. And we're sitting there one day. It's late at night and he said, my therapist said he's gonna stop working with me if I don't play you my music. I said, what do you mean? You make music? And he's like, yeah, yeah, I make music. I was like, why didn't you ever play for me? He's like, I was so scared. I was trying to get better, blah, blah, blah. He plays me some songs. They're terrible. They're like, they're awful. But like, I can hear something in him and I know he's so, you know, in music, so much of it is like getting an artist to feel comfortable, getting them to believe, getting them to, you know, so much of it is your personality and he had that. He had the it

• 24:10Benny Blanco?

  factor. I saw when he was with like artists, he knew how to talk to them. He knew how to make them feel good, just like getting them food, everything. And, you know, he spent years just seeing how I did it with artists. And I decided to sign him. I was like, I'm gonna sign you. And he went on this journey and now he's one of the biggest music producers in the world. I mean, last year he won, you know, best record at the Grammys. He's had like five or 10 number one records. And it's like, this guy started, he was so humble. He was 15 years old. Now he's like probably 26, 27 and he did, he just went on the journey. He knew when his time was and he went in and he did it. And it was just like, I always tell people, you know, you just gotta stick through it. You

• 24:55Benny Blanco?

  gotta stick around, you know? And when I first signed him, it wasn't working for him. It took him like a few years for it really to like connect. And he's just like, it's such a fun story for me.

• 25:04Jay Shetty?

  That's a brilliant story.

• 25:05Benny Blanco?

  Yeah. To, you know, and I've been fortunate enough to have that a few different times in my life with people. And it was so cool because I had that experience and we're all... To pay it forward is just.

• 25:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, the intern applications to the Benny Blanco School of Music just went through the roof. Like now the amount, Reed's gonna get hit up this whole week and dude, I love that. No, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's beautiful to hear that. And, and also what I love about that message is when your mentor throws your hard drive outside the window, like it's so easy to be like, oh, I'm never going back.

• 25:38Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 25:38Jay Shetty?

  Like he's crazy, like I'm never going back. It's like whiplash.

• 25:41Benny Blanco?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:41Jay Shetty?

  Right? Like.

• 25:42Benny Blanco?

  That was my life. That was my, I was cleaning toilets with a toothbrush. Like that was my real life.

• 25:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's what I was thinking of when you were describing it. I was like, I felt exactly like that. I'm thinking, you know, it's, but how do you show up again and recognize there's value? Because I think now we're in a place as well where it's like, if something like that happened, we'd be like, oh no, get out of there. It's, you know.

• 26:01Benny Blanco?

  I know, I know. It did change a little bit, like.

• 26:05Jay Shetty?

  You wouldn't do that, that's what I mean. You wouldn't throw someone's hard, right?

• 26:07Benny Blanco?

  No, I would never do those type of things. I'm not, I'm just like, not that type of person. I'm not like a yelling person. I'm not like, uh, it's just like not, that's not my way of communication. Like if I was like sad about something, I'd be like, man. I think it's like probably almost worse. Like I'm like, I'd be like, ah, why'd you do that? You know?

• 26:27Jay Shetty?

  I go quiet.

• 26:28Benny Blanco?

  Yeah. Or I'd be like, you know, you know, if you're ever like in a, you know, in an argument in a relationship, like I'm not a yeller. I'm like a, I'm like a, oh man, like, I wish it was diff, ah. Like, and I like can't even find the words usually at the beginning. Um, and I think that's how I am. And I think like, I really learned that you don't have to do that stuff. You, you, it worked for me. It got me to where I am, but it's like, you can, you can be really positive. You can, you can be a good influence on someone. You don't have to like, you can be hard on someone. Like I'm, I'm definitely like, I was definitely hard on, on the guy I was talking about, Blake.

• 27:11Benny Blanco?

  I was, I was, I was tough on him, but I was never like, I would never be mean. I would never like, there's no reason to do that. Uh, and what made me keep going back? I don't know. Sheer just will and drive like that. That's like, I, I just was like, I, what they're trying, that's what they're trying to do. They want me, they want me to quit. They want me to, you know, and like, I don't know. I always.

• 27:35Benny Blanco?

  I don't know why I do it and I I I wonder, you know, sometimes I sit in bed and I'm like, why am I still working like so hard? Like, I still work like I've never done a thing in my life. Like, I'm still wake up every morning, I'm like, alright, I'm gonna do this, then I'm gonna do this, and then I swear I'm gonna get this thing. And I always, that's why I try to do different things that I'm not necessarily great at to, not that I'm not great at, but that I don't have, you know, in music, I can go in, I can work with anyone, I can do this, but like, yeah, like, making a cookbook, being in a TV show, I've never done these things. So it's like, very interesting to me to start at the bottom again and just like, try to work my way up.

• 28:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 28:14Benny Blanco?

  It's fun. I love the climb. Like, that's my favorite part about life.

• 28:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 28:20Benny Blanco?

  Even everything, like, in a relationship, when you meet that person at the very beginning, it's like, oh, I gotta like, make my way into their heart and they have to make their way into mine. And it's just all about, I don't know, getting there is always the best. And then when you're there, I'm just like, alright. What else can I, I wanna get, I wanna get some, you know what I mean? Like, so when you're like, you know, you do the music stuff and you get there and you're like, I think the only thing where you get there and it just keeps getting better is in a relationship with someone. I think that's like, the only time, you get there and you're like, okay, this is cool. Like, but when every other time, I'm just like, okay, cool, like.

• 29:02Jay Shetty?

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• 31:27Benny Blanco?

  Let's go.

• 31:27Jay Shetty?

  What do you think makes relationships different? That makes you feel that way as opposed to music? Or anything else, any other achievement?

• 31:34Benny Blanco?

  Well, I've never been in a relationship the way that I've been in one with music because it's been like a 30-year relationship. So I have no idea what happens 30 years from now in a relationship. But.

• 31:46Benny Blanco?

  I just feel like in a relationship is like all these other things I'm doing. There's so many like tentacles, like it's like you go this way and then you guys explore that together. And you're exploring so many, it's basically anything I would explore in my life, I'm exploring with a partner. And so it's like figuring out, like you guys are like figuring out things together. And it's so cool when you have like a partner that like, I don't know, like I, I just get the feeling like, it's, it's awesome when you can have a partner that you look at and you're, and it's like the end of the day and you're like, oh, what did you do today? And they tell you and you're like, that's so tight. And you're like, I want to do more, like when you can feed off of each other and just keep growing together.

• 32:30Benny Blanco?

  It's like every day is a new experience and you guys are like facing different things together and it's, I don't know, it's cool. And I always tell my friend, I was just talking to my friend yesterday about this. I was like, you always have to keep your work and life balance. And I was like, because you can feel it in the music and, and art. If you don't have love or you don't have something, so I always tell them. I always feel that it's just like this and I have like rules, like every day, like I only work till like a certain time. I make sure I, you know, like cooking is very important to me and therapeutic, so I make sure I do that. Like it's like Xanax to me, like I, and I have like all my things that I have to do to make that bound.

• 33:13Benny Blanco?

  Because I do push myself, I shove my head through that wall, just that drywall if I had to. But at the, at the same time, I try to do all the things, it's like, okay, like every, you know, it's like every Sunday, I see my mom no matter what, every single Sunday at the exact same time. It doesn't matter if I like stay up all night, I'll, I'll just go right into seeing her. And it's just like, we have like a ritual we do. And then I have like my ritual where I go and get my groceries at the farmer's market every weekend. And there's just all these things that help keep you on track and grounded. So you can keep doing what you're doing, you know? I mean, I'm sure you have things like that for yourself.

• 33:50Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. I mean, mine's similar. I call my mom at the same time every week because she's back in London, where I was born and raised and so. I have the same time I call her on the weekend and yeah, there's certain things that have to be done that way. And same with you and you know, I have a certain time as well that I switch off from work and I'm not looking at my phone. I have a time in the morning of like three hours of being awake before I'm doing any work. And I have to take that time for myself. But what's interesting about what you're saying is that there's a myth, obviously, that the broken hearted artist can pour into the music. But you're actually saying that if you have love in your life, that can also be felt through music.

• 34:25Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, I think I think that at times it's good to have a broken heart, but it's also good. You know, there's a time and place for everything. What time you wake up?

• 34:34Jay Shetty?

  I wake up now at five thirty AM.

• 34:36Benny Blanco?

  What what time did you wake up before?

• 34:37Jay Shetty?

  Uh, usually it was like I was, uh, this year has been different. This year I've been really prioritizing five thirty, but up until last year, it's probably like six to six thirty.

• 34:45Benny Blanco?

  And what what time do you go to bed?

• 34:47Jay Shetty?

  I go to bed at like nine PM now.

• 34:49Benny Blanco?

  Really?

• 34:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love my eight hours of sleep. So if I get into bed at nine, I'll be out by nine fifteen.

• 34:55Benny Blanco?

  Okay.

• 34:55Jay Shetty?

  And then if I wake up at five thirty, I have like eight hours and fifteen minutes of sleep. Like it's.

• 34:59Benny Blanco?

  What are you doing? What are you doing in those first three hours?

• 35:02Jay Shetty?

  Meditating for a lot of it. So I'll wake up at five thirty. I'll be ready to sit down for meditation by like five forty five. I'll meditate for an hour and a half and then seven fifteen, I'll go for a hike or go to the gym or yeah, usually a hike or the gym. From seven fifteen till about eight fifteen, eight thirty, get ready and then nine AM, I'll take my first emails, meetings or that kind of stuff. So I think you came at ten today. So yeah.

• 35:25Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, hour and a half.

• 35:26Jay Shetty?

  Eleven.

• 35:27Benny Blanco?

  Hour and a half is that's that's a good meditation. Hour and a half. How do you even stay focused?

• 35:33Jay Shetty?

  Well, I think it's it's a good question and I always say to people that when I started, it wasn't one and a half hours. Like you start up with doing like seven minutes and then twenty minutes and then forty minutes. And and what I found was just in the same ways, if you go to a trainer. At the gym, you'd hope that they work out more than you. So as someone who teaches meditation and helps people with mindfulness, I believe that as a trainer and as a coach, I have to do it for more time and deeper time. Because otherwise, if I'm only doing it for seven minutes and I'm mentoring you and you're only doing it for seven minutes, then how will I ever have an experience to guide you deeper? And so I've been doing that since I was eighteen now, so it's been a long time. And when I was a monk for three years, it was longer.

• 36:16Jay Shetty?

  And that's where I got that deepest experience of practice for it. So I feel like if I didn't have those three years of going really deep into the practice, I may not have the focus I have today.

• 36:26Benny Blanco?

  You were a monk?

• 36:27Jay Shetty?

  For three years, yeah.

• 36:28Benny Blanco?

  Like a real monk?

• 36:28Jay Shetty?

  A real monk.

• 36:29Benny Blanco?

  That's insane.

• 36:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:31Benny Blanco?

  I've never met a monk.

• 36:32Jay Shetty?

  I'd love to show you pictures.

• 36:33Benny Blanco?

  I've never even met a monk.

• 36:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'd love to show you. I'm not anymore, but yeah.

• 36:36Benny Blanco?

  How long?

• 36:37Jay Shetty?

  So you still haven't met a monk.

• 36:38Benny Blanco?

  Where, where, what, when was this?

• 36:40Jay Shetty?

  So I, this was twenty ten to twenty thirteen. And I was a monk across India, UK and Europe. I traveled between the three. And I had a shaved head, I wore robes, I slept on the floor. We meditated for like four to eight hours sometimes a day. And so it was a deeper practice, yeah.

• 36:55Benny Blanco?

  Standard, standard eight hours. Standard eight hour meditation is crazy. When do you do anything else?

• 37:01Jay Shetty?

  Well, sometimes you didn't, that was the point.

• 37:03Benny Blanco?

  An eight hour meditation is wild. Isn't that sleeping?

• 37:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I mean, you can count it as the same, that we sleep for eight hours.

• 37:09Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, I, you know, my heart, the hardest part for me with meditating is that I instantly fall asleep.

• 37:16Jay Shetty?

  That's good.

• 37:17Benny Blanco?

  I can fall asleep very easily.

• 37:19Jay Shetty?

  So I'll tell you why, though. The reason why that happens during meditation or any practice of that sort is your body and mind are finally coming into sync. And so it's your body saying, I need sleep right now.

• 37:29Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 37:29Jay Shetty?

  And so if you're falling asleep during meditation, it's not a bad thing. It's just you've literally, because what's happening when you're not falling asleep is your mind's saying, we gotta do more.

• 37:38Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:38Jay Shetty?

  We gotta do more. And then finally, when you become present, you fall asleep because your body's saying, I've done enough today.

• 37:44Benny Blanco?

  Where, where do you do these meditate?

• 37:46Jay Shetty?

  I have a little meditation room, I'll take you to afterwards.

• 37:48Benny Blanco?

  I wanna, I wanna do a meditation with you.

• 37:50Jay Shetty?

  All right, we'll do it.

• 37:51Benny Blanco?

  I wanna, I wanna learn, I, I, you know, I've, I've done, there was like a time in my life when, when I was going through a rough patch and then like. You know, I was going to therapy and I was meditating and stuff and it actually helped me so much.

• 38:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, wow.

• 38:04Benny Blanco?

  It helped me.

• 38:04Jay Shetty?

  What was that during? What were you going through?

• 38:07Benny Blanco?

  When everything first started happening for me all at once, it was like really overwhelming. I was, you know, for the first like year or two, I was like, oh, this is awesome. And then like it really hit me because, you know, so many different responsibilities and people asking you for money and like, I just didn't grow up in a way like I had never, I didn't even imagine, you know, I was, I was young when I made it. So I was like, I didn't really, I didn't even realize about like money. And then I'm like, oh my God, all like I have this, what do I do with it? Like, and then it's like, I have all this success and people need things from me and people want, and it was just too much. And where I grew up, like I didn't like, I don't know, I didn't go to like therapy as a kid. I didn't, I didn't know about any of that.

• 38:52Benny Blanco?

  I didn't know what anxiety was. I thought like every, I was like, oh, everyone, the room spins for everyone when you like, sit down and you're like doing something. Yeah, I, I just, there were so many things I didn't understand. And I thought it was just my body and I never talked to anyone about it. And I was like, oh, there were just things like I learned to live with. And I remember like, I just remember exactly where I was. I was like walking in to get a new cell phone. I lost my mind and I, and I, and I just couldn't handle it anymore. And I remember like a week later, I, I went home to Virginia where my mom was living at the time. And I remember I was like in the bathroom and I was like,

• 39:37Benny Blanco?

  I did, like, I don't, I can't do, I was like, I can't do this anymore. I like, I don't, I can't, I had this feeling like this, this crazy feeling of anxiety that was like crippling. And it was like, I couldn't do anything. And I was just like, I, I was like in the bathtub and I remember like calling from her. I was crying and I was like, I don't know, I can't do this. I don't know what to do. I like, I can't even explain the feel. I, I didn't know how to articulate the words. I was like, I can't even explain what I'm feeling to you. I feel like I'm going crazy. And you know, in my family, you know, there's, some people have some issues and I was always scared of myself. Falling into some similar things that are in my family, that run in my family.

• 40:21Benny Blanco?

  And I just remember somebody was, somebody got me to go to therapy and they, and I met this guy and he's my therapist today, still to this day. This was, he's been my therapist for almost 20 years. And I remember like I first went there and I had like all these things. I was like, I used to like go and I'd have to like hold my head like this. And I was like, well, I can't let go of my arm because if I let go of my arm, my neck's gonna fall off and I'm gonna be paralyzed. Like I had like great, like I was so in deep and I never thought I was gonna get out. And I remember I started, I used to go six days a week and then it was like three days a week, then it was two days, then it was one. And I, and it was CBT, you know, cognitive behavioral therapy.

• 41:03Benny Blanco?

  And it's like, kind of like a type of therapy where you use your words and it's not, I was very, I didn't want to do medicine and I didn't, you know, because I also had in my family, there's some drug abuse and stuff. And I, I, I was like, I don't want to do this with medicine. I want to figure out how to do it the right way. And at that time I wasn't, now I'm like a workout fanatic. That's like my new meditation. Nice. Uh, but before that, I was like, well, how do I do this? And I started, you know, my therapist recommended meditation to me and he had this really easy way of doing it. And it was so easy and it wasn't, I, it wasn't even like anything specific. He was like, just, you know, he would just like, it was the most basic form of meditation.

• 41:48Benny Blanco?

  I would do it with, either with a spoken word thing or just like, he'd be like, find the most calming music you like. And, and I would, and he would just be like, no matter what, just every day, he was like, for 20 to 30 minutes, just sit down, put a pillow on your head, try not to be too comfy where you'll fall asleep, set a timer and just do it. And I remember doing it and at first it was impossible when I was like in my shit, it was impossible. And then eventually I started like looking forward to that time every day. And it really just helped me a lot. And then like,

• 42:30Benny Blanco?

  In 2018, and then I got like, it was probably like a year or so of, and this was probably 2009, maybe this was happening. And then like, then I like got back on track and everything was great. And then in 2018, I really like, working out became like my new meditation. Like, and it was just like, I have to do it. And it was so funny because I went so many years without doing it. And I'm sure in your life, you went years without doing meditation. And now like, what happens if you randomly, do you ever miss one ever? Like, just like, if you're sick?

• 43:09Jay Shetty?

  I'll catch up. I won't. Yeah, I don't meditate at 5:30 every day. Like, it's not, I can't keep that up because I'm on planes, we're traveling. Like, our lifestyles don't allow it. And so I will be meditating in the evening.

• 43:20Benny Blanco?

  But like, what happens?

• 43:21Jay Shetty?

  The quality. Well, I find that for me, the quality dips. The last week was one of those weeks. I was, I had like three massively late nights in a row on the weekend because of events and parties and things and things that I was going to. And I couldn't wake up early. And then I still had a full day of work. And then in the evening, I was catching up with it. And I found that I didn't have the time and space that I need in order to feel really aligned. And what I mean by that is, I can still operate, no one else will really notice the difference, but I noticed the difference where I'm like, I feel like I have less energy today. I feel like I have less clarity today. And I feel like I'm not as aligned is the best word I can think of, as I like to be. And so it doesn't really

• 44:04Jay Shetty?

  affect anyone else, but it does affect me. And I know what level I can raise to, which is what you're probably saying when you're working out. Like, when you miss a day of working out, how do you feel now?

• 44:13Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah. I, you know, I thought of something when you were saying.

• 44:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, please.

• 44:17Benny Blanco?

  So you're seen as like, you know, This guy who's like mindfulness, health, this like, isn't it, aren't you sometimes, do you feel like I have to be so perfect all the time?

• 44:31Jay Shetty?

  You know, it's so interesting you say that Benny. I used to think that when I started out, that that's what I had to be. And then I've let go of that pressure personally. Like I let go of that and I'm just, like I'm saying to you now, I don't wake up every day. I've got to have to meditate. Sometimes I'm meditating on planes, in Ubers, on trains, sometimes I'm doing it while I'm falling asleep. Like I, I'm okay with opening up about that because to me, that A, I hope, well, A, it's the truth. B, I hope that that actually helps people realize that they don't have to have the perfect regime.

• 45:04Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 45:05Jay Shetty?

  Every single day. Because I used to think that and all I did was put more pressure on myself.

• 45:10Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:10Jay Shetty?

  Like I'd stress myself out. So I'm more comfortable today saying, I believe in meditation. I value mindfulness. I value all these things, but it doesn't look perfect in my life. And it won't in yours either. And it doesn't in anyone's. Whoever's life we think it looks perfect in is, is a myth.

• 45:27Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, sometimes you get upset. Like if you get, like you're like a guy who's like not allowed to get upset. Like something happens, like it's, it, you know, I find that sometimes.

• 45:36Jay Shetty?

  What do you know Benny? What are you trying to say?

• 45:38Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, exactly. No, I find sometimes in, in, in work, like, you know, when you get to the top of like your field, people are only expecting like a perfect, like, like if you're like, say you're like LeBron James. Like if you don't have, if you score like 20 instead of like 40 in the game, they're like, oh, what's happening to LeBron? You know, and it's this like, it's this pressure that, that I know exists for people and I just wanted to know.

• 46:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, I definitely have felt that pressure and I think I've removed it from myself. And that's what I realized that ultimately it was a pressure I was putting on myself. It wasn't actually from anyone else. It was me thinking, whereas if I was just honest and transparent and authentic with people. Then all of a sudden, the pressure's off.

• 46:21Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 46:21Jay Shetty?

  And and I can also be a human because I am one.

• 46:24Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Jay Shetty?

  Uh, and and I think I think there's so much more of a joy in embracing our imperfections and flaws and recognizing that it's even with coaching people by doing, I'm sure you feel this with music. Like when you you working with a artist to produce their album is like what I do with coaching clients. So coaching clients come to me and say, hey, can we solve this problem? Whatever else it may be, someone's coming to you saying, hey, Benny, can you make this album with me? And before I used to think, God, if I don't say something profound in the first hour of meeting someone, then they're not going to think I'm worthy or valuable. And I started to realize I was like, that blocked me from saying something worthy.

• 47:01Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 47:02Jay Shetty?

  It didn't allow me to be a channel or a vessel. I was now forcing some manufactured version.

• 47:06Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Jay Shetty?

  And even if I did, now I was just setting myself up for more pressure every time we met. Rather than just having a flowing exchange with someone, how do you feel? Like when an artist comes and says, hey, Benny, I want you to produce my whole album. Where was the time it switched from pressure to just flow?

• 47:23Benny Blanco?

  I never had pressure because I don't care.

• 47:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 47:25Benny Blanco?

  Because I treat every experience like I'll I'll be like this. You know, some people, when you get in the studio, there's something or you're on a TV set or you're on here. They're just like, oh, we got to get it all done. We have to get this done today. We have to. For me, I'm just as happy if we were to come in. Like if I came into this podcast today and you're like, hey, I'm sorry, like the equipment's not working. Then I'd be like, oh, let's just like chill, walk around your thing. Because that's what was meant to happen that day. And I'm not stressing because you know what? Eventually we'll get like an interview or eventually we'll get a song or, you know, I I'm a big like procrastinator in work. Like when someone comes over, I'm like, you like to eat? What do you want to eat? You want to eat something? All that stuff is part of it.

• 48:10Benny Blanco?

  It's part of what's going to happen later. You know what I'm saying? Or you like, let's say you have a client, someone like you're trying to get to the bottom or the root of a problem, you're going to have to disarm them and get them to chill.

• 48:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's not going to happen through anything else. What's your, um, do you have? Do you have a setup process for every person? Or do you really go with the flow with each individual?

• 48:32Benny Blanco?

  This stuff got caffeine in it.

• 48:33Jay Shetty?

  It has natural caffeine from tea.

• 48:35Benny Blanco?

  I'll take a sip of it.

• 48:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:38Benny Blanco?

  It's green tea. Green tea is really caffeinated, right?

• 48:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:41Benny Blanco?

  You drink caffeine?

• 48:42Jay Shetty?

  I only in the tea form.

• 48:43Benny Blanco?

  Only in the tea form?

• 48:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:45Benny Blanco?

  I like that. Only in the tea form.

• 48:46Jay Shetty?

  As in, like, I drink herbal tea and I drink this tea, but I don't.

• 48:51Benny Blanco?

  That's good.

• 48:52Jay Shetty?

  Thanks, man. Appreciate it. My wife and I put it together. It's all natural.

• 48:55Benny Blanco?

  Go buy his drink. How'd you come up with the name?

• 48:58Jay Shetty?

  It stands for just you and I. So it was a way of trying to bring people together through sharing a moment. How's the caffeine hitting? Is it all right?

• 49:04Benny Blanco?

  I'm taking little sip. I don't drink caffeine at all.

• 49:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. Neither do I apart from tea, so.

• 49:10Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, I don't drink. I don't drink. I'm not like a caffeine person. I wake up and I'm like ready to rip.

• 49:15Jay Shetty?

  Me too.

• 49:15Benny Blanco?

  I wake up, I like pop out of bed.

• 49:17Jay Shetty?

  What time do you wake up?

• 49:18Benny Blanco?

  Early.

• 49:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah?

• 49:19Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, like, uh, six. Usually six ten to six thirty.

• 49:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. What gets you in the creative zone? Like, you're always like cooking. Let's, let's talk about open wide for a second, like, creativity, I think people look at you and they think, oh, he's musically creative, but then the rest of his life must be. But no, it's like, you're creative in cooking, you're creative in music, obviously. My relationships can be creative too, like, is it just something that was cooking always a passion?

• 49:43Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, it's just like, do you cook at all or no?

• 49:45Jay Shetty?

  So I'm the exact opposite. Cooking, kitchens and cooking scares me. My wife is a plant-based chef and recipe developer.

• 49:53Benny Blanco?

  Really? Oh, my God.

• 49:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, this is all she does.

• 49:55Benny Blanco?

  What, what, has she always cooked?

• 49:57Jay Shetty?

  Yes. Yeah, yeah.

• 49:58Benny Blanco?

  Oh, my God.

• 49:58Jay Shetty?

  She's loved it since she was, and she's a dietitian and nutritionist as well.

• 50:01Benny Blanco?

  What's her name?

• 50:02Jay Shetty?

  Uh, Radhi. Radhi's her name. R A D H I. Radhi.

• 50:05Benny Blanco?

  And, okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta see it. I'm obsessed with all that. One of my friends, uh, the person who I wrote my book with, her name's Jess. She has like a, she's predominantly like a, a plant-based chef. And she worked for Martha Stewart for years and, and she's incredible. And I, I, uh, it's funny, like, my books are always crazy. For, I eat very healthy unless I'm being like a naughty boy.

• 50:31Jay Shetty?

  What's, what's naughty? How bad's naughty?

• 50:33Benny Blanco?

  Oh, naughty is like you wake up and there's crumbs and glaze all over you. You don't even know what it is. But mostly I'm, I'm, I'm pretty, I'm like during.

• 50:42Benny Blanco?

  During the week, you know, because I lost a lot of weight. I lost like 50 pounds.

• 50:46Jay Shetty?

  Consciously.

• 50:46Benny Blanco?

  Yes. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, honestly, at the beginning, I was going into a weight loss challenge because my brother had gained a bunch of weight. And then when I went and we like did the DEXA scan thing, I was 33% body fat. I was like, am I fat? And I just didn't even, I didn't even know that I was being unhealthy. And then like, that's when I started working out and I got obsessed with it. And it was like, I wasn't necessarily trying to lose weight, but then like once I did, I was like, whoa, this is cool. And I'm one of those people now, like when I lost the first weight, it wasn't trying to lose weight. It was just like trying to be healthy. And then I felt like the feeling every time I went to the gym, I was like, whoa, I have

• 51:27Benny Blanco?

  no anxiety like after, and I'm not thinking about anything else except like, what's happening? And that was very rare for me. So I was like, I gotta chase this feeling. And then now I like, you know, me and my friends, we do like little like weight loss challenges. We're like, okay, whoever can lose the most weight in like one month, or whoever can do this. I just like to, I like to challenge my body.

• 51:48Jay Shetty?

  Out of your comfort zone.

• 51:49Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, I like to just like push myself in any way possible. But yeah, no, I, I like, I, do you eat pretty healthy?

• 51:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, very, yeah.

• 51:56Benny Blanco?

  Well, because of her, right?

• 51:57Jay Shetty?

  Because of her.

• 51:58Benny Blanco?

  If otherwise, you'd be like.

• 51:59Jay Shetty?

  Before I met her, it was like pizzas, midnight burgers, fries. Like, that's my favorite.

• 52:04Benny Blanco?

  What are you guys eating today? Like, what'd you eat today?

• 52:06Jay Shetty?

  What did I have in the morning? I had like avocado mushroom toast in the morning.

• 52:11Benny Blanco?

  And did you make it or she did?

• 52:12Jay Shetty?

  No, no, no, she did. Yeah.

• 52:13Benny Blanco?

  Okay. So if she's not in town, do you ever cook?

• 52:16Jay Shetty?

  I'm ordering, I'm ordering in, but I'm ordering healthy.

• 52:18Benny Blanco?

  You're ordering healthy because you're scared she might be filming you or watching?

• 52:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. That's actually, I'll say, I'll say to my team, I'll be like, guys, just, you know, let's order this because my wife's not around. Yeah, no.

• 52:26Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, you'll be a little nod.

• 52:28Jay Shetty?

  She's been a good influence on me because before I met her, I was addicted to sugar. Like, I was addicted to chocolates and ice creams.

• 52:35Benny Blanco?

  Some people have that.

• 52:35Jay Shetty?

  I had a massive, because of my mom.

• 52:37Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, I don't have this, I don't have the sweet tooth.

• 52:39Jay Shetty?

  That's lucky, man. That's one of the worst.

• 52:40Benny Blanco?

  I'd much rather like a huge slice of bread or a taco. Like, I, I, I really like, uh, like one bite of a dessert. Like, I always want.

• 52:49Jay Shetty?

  You're like my wife, does that too?

• 52:50Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, I always want one bite. Like, at the end of the day, like, I'll always have like, a date or something, or like a piece of fruit. Like, I love that, but like, I don't like the, I don't know, like, occasionally like a cookie or something, if it's not too sweet. I don't like really sweet things. They make my stomach hurt. Like, so I like, there's a few, like, I like, uh, What's that thing when it's uh, it's like meringue, uh Pavlova.

• 53:16Jay Shetty?

  Oh, yeah, right, right, right.

• 53:17Benny Blanco?

  Cause it's not too sweet and it's like light Pavlova makes me.

• 53:21Jay Shetty?

  How did you curb your cravings for things you love? Like when you're doing a challenge, how do you curb your cravings?

• 53:25Benny Blanco?

  I just shut it off. I love, I love, like, I love a challenge.

• 53:29Jay Shetty?

  Right.

• 53:29Benny Blanco?

  Just any challenge. If someone's like, I bet you can't walk 25 miles right now. I'm like, yes, I can and I'll do it. Like, I just love, I love that feeling of doing something.

• 53:40Jay Shetty?

  And you have a group of people that you do?

• 53:41Benny Blanco?

  And I do it with my friends. I work out with my friends. If I didn't have a trainer, I only pay, the only reason I see a trainer is because I'm so crazy that I was, would be like, oh, I can't waste the money. Like, so I, I gotta go. But if I, if it was just up to me, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't be able to do it. It's just that someone's, you know, or my friends are like, let's go to the gym. We gotta go together and we work out together. And I like, you know, coming back to food, I like anything. I love community. I love hosting. I love like, there, there's, there's nothing better to me than like, creating like an experience for people. I don't care what the medium is, like creating some experience where like, when someone leaves, they're just like, whoa, and they're telling all their friends.

• 54:26Benny Blanco?

  And like, for me, it's, it's just like you're, you know, this is like, uh, looking to give someone an orgasm face at all times, like every moment, like, cause that's what it is. It's when you, when someone tastes your food, they just like, open their mouth and they put it in. You just want them to be like, mm, like you, you just want that feeling that when someone plays a song, you want them to be like, oh my God, that thing is crazy. You know, like after you like, change someone's life and they can do a meditation where they can like, put their leg behind their head. They're just like, oh, thank you. You brought me to a higher sense of being. Like it's, it's, that's what we're looking for.

• 55:04Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 55:05Benny Blanco?

  And, and I'm always looking to make my friends happy. I'm always, you know, if someone comes to my house and they have like, you know, A hamburger and they're like, I love this. This is my favorite hamburger. I know that. So then I'm thinking like the next time they come in like, oh, I'm gonna like make sure they have that for them. And you know, my grandma, when I was a kid, one of my grandmas, she, you know, she, she was not wealthy by any means. She grew up in like, you know, she, her place was in section eight housing and we would go visit her. And she had a lot of grandkids and if we went over there and one time we like had a juni and we were like, we love this.

• 55:46Benny Blanco?

  It would be there every time we ever went and she had so many grandkids. So everyone had every single thing and she would, she would, you know, she wouldn't eat for the week to make sure that like everyone had their things and, and because it made her so happy. The joy she would have when everyone was coming in and all the things were there. We'd be like, oh, she has this and she, and that's what I like to do. And I love to create like, whether it's like the perfect napkin, the perfect like meal, the perfect music playing at the same time. Like, you know, and that's what I did with this book. I was like, trying to teach people how to have like the perfect dinner party. That's brilliant. Cause I was like, okay, you know, some people, they might not know what to do. Like you're nervous in the kitchen.

• 56:27Benny Blanco?

  This book is gonna make it so like, sure, fire away. You want something easy that looks good? Great. You wanna have a dinner party? Like, do you know what type of wine to serve? I don't know. Do you wanna smoke weed with your people? Does weed make you anxious? Who knows? Is it midnight and you want everyone to leave because you gotta wake up at 5:30 the next day? But you still want them to love you? I'm gonna teach you how to kick them out. You know, and it's just like, I love that. Yeah. It's that whole thing. And it's just like that moment of just like getting a bunch of people together. And I love getting the people together that don't necessarily go together. And it's like someone is like a musician and they're sitting next to a man who wrote a book. And I mean, one time we were at my house and I remember,

• 57:09Benny Blanco?

  I was, uh, my mother was sitting here and SZA was sitting here. And a man on the other side actually makes rocket ships that go to space. And to me, it was just so cool to see them all talking and not caring about, you know, what was going on. And there was no egos and there was, everyone's just having a good time. And food is like the best social lubricant in the world. Because it's like you can immediately talk about something. You're like, oh, you like food. It's just like the automatic conversation starter.

• 57:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. Next time you come over, we're gonna have to do food for sure. Because yeah, that's, it's a big love language for my wife. She loves, she also, that's her love language.

• 57:51Benny Blanco?

  I wanna cook with her.

• 57:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you guys would have, you guys would have a blast. She loves cooking, creating recipes. And also same with you, creating community. And it's actually funny you say that. I'm trying to think of a book that you just reminded me of that was based on a restaurant that did that. And they recently converted it, it became Eleven Madison Park in New York. And it was a restaurant that tried to give that level of care.

• 58:13Benny Blanco?

  That's so cool.

• 58:13Jay Shetty?

  That you feel in a home.

• 58:15Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:15Jay Shetty?

  And so open wide your book. I love, I love that it's not just a cookbook. I love that it's

• 58:20Benny Blanco?

  No, it's all of that.

• 58:21Jay Shetty?

  About how to build community and how to

• 58:22Benny Blanco?

  It's all of that.

• 58:22Jay Shetty?

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• 1:00:21Benny Blanco?

  It's not about any of that. The food, you know, my godfather always said this thing. He would always say, you know, when I was a kid, I never even understood it, but I so understand it now. He always used to say, we'd always figure out where we were going to dinner and he goes, it doesn't matter. It's about the rap. And now, and we were like, what do you mean? He's like, it's just about the rap. He's like, the only thing is just to get everyone together. If the food's great, that's awesome, but it's about hanging with your friends, laughing till you cry, you know? Falling in love with someone. You know, I've, I've had the opportunity to have dinners where like so many things have happened to people. You know, someone's found the person they date, somebody's, you know, started a company, somebody's laughed so hard they cry, you know?

• 1:01:05Benny Blanco?

  And it's, that's, that's what I'm trying to do and I love, do you, do you ever, you have dinners with people?

• 1:01:10Jay Shetty?

  It's one of my favorite things to host as well. Yeah.

• 1:01:12Benny Blanco?

  It's my favorite thing to do. I don't want to go out to a nightclub. I want to like sit at home with my friends till two in the morning. Well, for you, you can't do that.

• 1:01:19Jay Shetty?

  I can do that. I can do that.

• 1:01:20Benny Blanco?

  Now, what happens, what happens if you stay up late? Do you just self combust? You combust?

• 1:01:24Jay Shetty?

  No, not at all, man. I can stay up late. I just choose not to always do it because I love sleep.

• 1:01:29Benny Blanco?

  Okay. When you were out, uh, late this weekend, what time, what time were you out?

• 1:01:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, probably, probably get in the bedroom one or two.

• 1:01:36Benny Blanco?

  Okay. And you, and you, then what time do you sleep till?

• 1:01:39Jay Shetty?

  Oh, no, that the problem was I was still waking up because my body clock so wired that I was still up at the same time.

• 1:01:44Benny Blanco?

  No matter what, I wake up at like six in the morning.

• 1:01:46Jay Shetty?

  That's what I mean.

• 1:01:47Benny Blanco?

  No matter when I go to bed.

• 1:01:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:48Benny Blanco?

  I don't go to bed as early as you, though.

• 1:01:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:51Benny Blanco?

  I'm like, uh, if in my dream world, I go to bed at like eleven thirty, twelve.

• 1:01:55Jay Shetty?

  Right.

• 1:01:55Benny Blanco?

  And then I wake up at like.

• 1:01:56Jay Shetty?

  In real world?

• 1:01:57Benny Blanco?

  Six, six thirty. And then on the weekends, I really don't sleep a lot, but I don't need a ton of sleep. But I know, I'm sure you're gonna say that's terrible for you.

• 1:02:04Jay Shetty?

  No, not at all, man. I'm not gonna say anything's terrible. It works for you, works for you.

• 1:02:07Benny Blanco?

  But you should, I should be getting more sleep, right?

• 1:02:09Jay Shetty?

  I mean, scientists say seven to nine hours a day.

• 1:02:12Benny Blanco?

  What else do scientists say?

• 1:02:13Jay Shetty?

  Exactly. I don't know, but that's, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:02:16Benny Blanco?

  I, but yeah, my whole family.

• 1:02:18Jay Shetty?

  I know I need eight and I can survive on, I can do five on six or five if I needed to.

• 1:02:23Benny Blanco?

  Like six and a half is my like.

• 1:02:25Jay Shetty?

  Is your sweet spot?

• 1:02:26Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, chef's kiss. Anything over seven, I feel strange.

• 1:02:29Jay Shetty?

  That's good, though, but then don't follow it. Seven's like, don't push it. I think that's a big part of it too, right? It's like, my wife talks a lot about this, this idea of being able to listen to your body. And I feel like so many of us are like, God, I gotta wake up at five thirty now because Jay said he wakes up at five thirty. Or I gotta wake up at four because Elon Musk wakes up at four or, you know, Benny said he wakes up at six ten. So, you know, so whatever it is. And it's like, well, creativity is not based on those things. That's just what works for your body and your mind. It's what works for my body and my mind. So I think, you know, but you seem to have a lot of like, not just community, but you seem to have like a lot of the same people around you. Loyal friends, like that seems to be a big part of your.

• 1:03:06Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:06Jay Shetty?

  How have you continued to be able to build that as you grow and make? It sounds like all your friends love challenges and growth because a lot of people who are listening sometimes feel their friends are not wanting to grow. They're not wanting to try new things.

• 1:03:19Benny Blanco?

  But it's so fun. You, you do it. You, some people I've pushed to that and some people have pushed me in other ways. And like, that's the, that's, that's what it's all about, you know? To me, I've just had some of my friends for so long because it's hard to find people that are on your. And I, I think it's harder and harder as you get older. You know, a lot of my friends, most of my friends I knew since I was young. And then I have like, you know, like a new friend for me is like five years. Like I'd be like, I'd be like, whoa, yeah, this is like one of my new friends. Like most of my friends are eight, ten, twenty.

• 1:03:55Jay Shetty?

  And do they live in the city too or no?

• 1:03:57Benny Blanco?

  All different places. Some of my friends are like. Some of my friends have very regular jobs and, and you know, some of them I only get to see once or twice a year in person because of their job, you know? My friend was just out here, he comes every year for, you know, like a month and a half towards the end of the year because he's a therapist and he works, you know, in Virginia and he can't really travel that much. So then we get to see each other then. And then, you know, my other friend, his wife is becoming a doctor and, and they've had to have residencies and all these other places and he works for like Capital One or something and he, uh, uh, we don't get to see each other in person very often, but when we do, it's like we saw each other yesterday, you know, and we talk all the time on, on.

• 1:04:41Benny Blanco?

  And then some of my friends are in the same world as me, so they get it. Some of them are in entertainment and I just love bringing, my friend group is very eclectic, like it's like all different types of people and I love putting people that wouldn't normally be in a room together in a room to see what happens.

• 1:04:58Jay Shetty?

  What's the randomest too? Is it the person building rocket ships and then your mom and then Suzie?

• 1:05:03Benny Blanco?

  I'm, uh, uh, it's just like people, you know, it's very common for me to go out to dinner and have like one person be 22 and then the next person be like 70, like, and, and that's not, and, and having it not be someone's mom or dad, like having it just be someone that's my friend.

• 1:05:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Benny Blanco?

  You know, and, uh, cause I've met so many, I'm very interested in people and I love, I love meeting creative people, whether that means they're creative professionally, whether creative in their mind, whether they, you know?

• 1:05:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:37Benny Blanco?

  I just love, I love that feeling of getting into a conversation with someone.

• 1:05:43Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I also think multi-generational friendships are so powerful. Like I was talking to someone about that, like me and my wife have a couple friend of ours and they're in their late 60s and they're some of our favorite people that hang out with. Like I feel like I learned so much, I grow so much, I gained so much perspective. They've lived 30 years more life than I have, like, and I think that's, it's so interesting how we may spend time with our parents, but we're not necessarily having friends that are in a different decade of their life, but how powerful it can be to be with someone.

• 1:06:12Benny Blanco?

  A lot of people don't even know their parents like that. Like even if you're like close with your parents, like, like how close are you with your mom?

• 1:06:19Jay Shetty?

  I'm pretty close with my mom, yeah.

• 1:06:20Benny Blanco?

  Okay, but like. You don't know, there's so many things you don't know about her. Like, you don't know, like, like, how she felt the first time she got her heart broken. You don't know, like, if she ever cheated on someone. Like, you don't, like, sometimes I, for me, I'll sit my mom down and I just ask her, like, every, I'm like, what drugs have you taken? And I'm like, how did it make you feel? Because my parents got divorced, I was like, how did you know you wanted to get divorced? What did you feel? And I, and I always, I try to do that because one of my friends started recording his dad when his dad got sick. And he asked him every question he ever wanted to ask him. Because it is so crazy, you're so close to this person that you really don't know.

• 1:07:03Benny Blanco?

  Like, you really, like, we really don't even know our parents that well. Because you don't, you don't ask them those type of things. And no one does, like, and it, it's also that time where I remember, like, your parents' gospel is just like the end all be all when you're a kid. And then all of a sudden, you're like fifteen or sixteen, you're like, wait, you're just a human, that was a mess up on you, you just lied, like, I caught you in that lie. But like, until you're like fifteen or sixteen or something, you can't even fathom that. And then like, you realize, it's cool. I'm so thankful that I get to like, you know, talk to my parents and my family now, like, as an adult and be like, yo, what were you feeling like, like, when you went through this?

• 1:07:48Benny Blanco?

  And like, how did you raise us like that? And is it so hard to do this? And it's cool, I, I like that feeling.

• 1:07:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I, I did something similar a few years ago, I felt that way with the podcast, where I was like, learning about people I'd never met. And so, we were celebrating my sister's thirtieth birthday, so it was me, my mom and my sister, my younger sister. And I just started interviewing my mom at dinner. And there was no, we didn't record it, it was just us three. And I learned so much, so my mom was studying for her exams while, because she was born and raised in Yemen, while there were Yemeni soldiers fighting British soldiers on her roof. Like, you know, so, and I was like, I had no idea. And she just casually drops that as if it's like, normal. And I'm like, mom, you realize that's not normal.

• 1:08:31Benny Blanco?

  You should interview your mom, you need to interview-

• 1:08:32Jay Shetty?

  I've been thinking about it, it's been, it's been on my mind.

• 1:08:35Benny Blanco?

  Interviewing your family is so crazy.

• 1:08:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, because you're right, and I think everyone, I would love to do it because I want everyone to do it. My wife was my first ever guest on the show.

• 1:08:44Benny Blanco?

  Really?

• 1:08:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, because that was a big part of it for me. It was like, I feel like, you're so right, we don't- Really deeply know our family. We think we know them.

• 1:08:53Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Jay Shetty?

  We think we know them. We assume that we know them.

• 1:08:55Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, I used to do this thing on my, uh, well, I still do it on all of my albums where like the last song on my album has like a, a spoken word section of, it's like over instrumental of, um, each person in my family. And so far I did my mom and my dad. And I asked them all these questions and it's crazy to know the, because I, basically I asked them questions for like an hour and then I take like the best like thirty seconds. And it was, both my parents wound up talking the most about like

• 1:09:36Benny Blanco?

  their divorce. And it was like so interesting to see both sides of it because I have now forever in time, I have my mom's version and my dad's version. And then like I just, you know, I'm putting out a new album and I interview my brother for his version of it now. And it's like,

• 1:09:53Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful, man.

• 1:09:54Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 1:09:54Jay Shetty?

  That's really special.

• 1:09:55Benny Blanco?

  It's fun. And it's like, you know, it's emotional and it's like, whoa. It's cool to hear both sides of everyone's side of an event.

• 1:10:02Jay Shetty?

  What did you, yeah, I, I think you're so right because yeah, we often think there's only one truth and one story and then all of a sudden there's three. And what was the biggest thing you learned from hearing your mom and dad's version of divorce? Like what was something that surprised you or something you were like, wow, I did not recognize that when I was growing up?

• 1:10:19Benny Blanco?

  I think that it made them both better people to get out of the relationship. And I think like, uh, at first it seemed like my parents were not fans of each other at first. It was like crazy, but now they're friends. I mean, they haven't been married for, you know, twenty something years, but, uh, but yeah, now, now we all like go to dinner together and like go on vacation. But you know, it wasn't always that way. And it's, it's cool to see like where it started to where it is now. And I do think like me and my brother like, Were a big, uh, like our success was like a big catalyst on getting like everyone together

• 1:11:03Benny Blanco?

  because it forced us to get together and then it, no, it's cool. I don't know. Yo, life is so crazy. Like the way, you know, the way you meet people and the way people come in and out of your life and someone you may not even like really know could become like your wife or someone like that's like you despise could become your best friend. And it's just, it's very interesting how, how life plays out. And I find that more and more as I get older and my mom always used to be like, she'd be like, you know, when you get older, you're gonna, and I used to be like, what are you talking? But it's so true. Just like over and over again, I'm learning something new every day.

• 1:11:45Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. So true, man. Benny, I could talk to you for hours. Genuinely, like we could go on and on and on, but I wanted to make sure, is there anything that we haven't talked about before we go to the final five, which is the way we end any interviews? Is there anything we haven't talked about that you really wanted to touch on that's on your heart or mind or something that?

• 1:12:01Benny Blanco?

  What's your five thing? What's that?

• 1:12:03Jay Shetty?

  That, yeah, we could do that. We'll start with that. It's a final five that we end every interview with of all time.

• 1:12:08Benny Blanco?

  Oh, it's the same question?

• 1:12:09Jay Shetty?

  It's the same, well, same four questions. One of them I usually play with, same three or four questions and one of them I usually play with for the person. And these are your final five. They have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

• 1:12:21Benny Blanco?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:12:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And then I may ask you to go on because I usually break my rule.

• 1:12:25Benny Blanco?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:12:26Jay Shetty?

  Here we go. All right. Benny Belka, these are your final five. So the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:12:35Benny Blanco?

  Don't be afraid to fail.

• 1:12:37Jay Shetty?

  Who told you it and how have you practiced it?

• 1:12:40Benny Blanco?

  I can't remember who told me it, but I'll.

• 1:12:42Jay Shetty?

  Someone did tell you it. It wasn't something that came from.

• 1:12:44Benny Blanco?

  No, no, no. Somebody told me it, but I will tell you this. I always say this to someone because people come up to me all the time and they're just like, "Oh, man, you don't miss. You did this, you did that." And, and I, I'll talk to someone, you know, one of my friends was going through a hard time recently. It was like his first failures. And I remember talking to him and I said, I said, "You don't think I've failed a million times?" I said, "You look at someone like Michael Jordan, okay? He's taken like so many shots. He's missed so many shots. Do you remember any of those? No. You remember him swishing it and walking back with his tongue out." Nobody's sitting there being like, "Uh, Jay, I saw that, you know, back in like

• 1:13:28Benny Blanco?

  2008, that rap career didn't really work out for you." No, they're like, "Jay, wow, every get, you got Michelle Obama on you." So I always tell people, like, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. Don't be afraid to fail. Nobody's even gonna remember it. There's only, and if someone's literally tallying your failures, they're psycho, you know?

• 1:13:48Jay Shetty?

  Well said, man. Yeah. No one remembers the misses. No one remembers the misses, if you keep going.

• 1:13:52Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:52Jay Shetty?

  But if you stop at the miss.

• 1:13:53Benny Blanco?

  But you gotta keep going, babe.

• 1:13:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you gotta keep going. Uh, question number two. What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:14:00Benny Blanco?

  I was going around playing my music for people and I had just switched my style up because I used to make, I like, originally made music that sounded like I was copying Timbaland, sounded like I was copying Pharrell, sounded like I was trying to be someone else. And I remember I, I, I had just made music that didn't sound like anything. It sounded so weird. It was so different. Wasn't like what was going on. I remember I went into a meeting and someone was like, "Nobody makes music like this." They're like, "You gotta, you gotta fit in more." Like, and that just like made me go the opposite way. Then I was like, "Now I know I gotta do the crazy stuff."

• 1:14:42Benny Blanco?

  Because at least I just want someone, when I used to go in and play music, for them to be like, "I've never heard anything like this. Like, this is so weird. This is not gonna work." Because that's, when everyone likes something usually, that means it's not gonna work. You know, when, when some people are unsure about something, that's when it's usually gonna work. So I, I don't know. Someone told me to fit in more and I didn't really vibe with that.

• 1:15:04Jay Shetty?

  Hmm, that's, that's a great answer. I think it's so interesting when you're young. Everyone tells you to fit in and when you get older, everyone says stand out.

• 1:15:11Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:11Jay Shetty?

  And it's like, well, wait a minute, I had to wear a uniform.

• 1:15:13Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:14Jay Shetty?

  Coming on time and now all of a sudden I've got to find who I am.

• 1:15:17Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:18Jay Shetty?

  And it's such a contradiction.

• 1:15:19Benny Blanco?

  Of course.

• 1:15:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, so great answer. All right, uh, question number three. What's something that you used to value that you no longer value?

• 1:15:26Benny Blanco?

  Success. I used to really care about getting that number one song, getting that thing. And I feel like I, I feel like I did everything I wanted to do. Like, and now I feel like everything's like the cherry on top of the sundae now. So I'm just having so much fun trying new things. And of course I want them to be successful and stuff, but like I don't have, I, and I, and I do still like work and have a drive and want to do it, but I want to do it more for me and less for like other people. I used to want to do it because I was like, I have to be number one. I have to be the best in the world. I have to be this.

• 1:16:09Benny Blanco?

  And now I just get to wake up and I'm like, okay, I already did the things I want to do. So like, I want to make a cookbook. I want to do it. I want to do this. And I like really want it to be the best and I want it to be awesome. But it's something that I want to do and I'm putting like that pressure on myself. It's not like for other people anymore. And yeah, I think, I don't know. It's I, and, and I always had a strange feeling with success too. I was always like, kind of like ashamed of it for some reason. Or I'd be like, oh, I don't, I don't, I don't deserve that. I'm probably going to get like cancer now because like I did, because I did well.

• 1:16:51Benny Blanco?

  So like, I don't deserve this and like somebody else, uh, somebody else deserves this more and like.

• 1:16:56Jay Shetty?

  How did you overcome that doubt? Cause I think a lot of people feel that way. People are coming to money, fame, even a bit of success and we start going, oh crap, this wasn't meant to be.

• 1:17:04Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, it's still, I still, it's still there for me, that, that part. I still have that feeling a little bit, a little bit of the imposter syndrome. But it's so funny because I'm so confident at the same time. But uh, uh, you know, sometimes I do have that feeling where I'm just like, ah, like, why do I deserve this? Like, what did I do? And like, there's so many more people who are more talented than, and I'll like start questioning stuff like that in my head.

• 1:17:27Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and, and you're still working through that, still.

• 1:17:29Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, every day. We're working through everything and the success thing like. It's not fully let go, but it's like, it's something that like, I catch myself more and more like just really wanting to do the things because like, it's not a competition always anymore. And it used to be like such a competition with me in my head.

• 1:17:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:47Benny Blanco?

  With that. And I try to find like other things that are competitions and like competitions like that are like friendly. And there's not like a huge thing at the end of the tunnel for it.

• 1:17:58Jay Shetty?

  Beautiful. Question number four. What's something that you think you learned from your parents' relationship? That affects your relationships moving forwards, like something that you'll take as a lesson? On what to do or what not to do?

• 1:18:10Benny Blanco?

  I don't think my parents listened to each other. And I think all relationships, whether it's romantic, business, friendships, you have to, you just have to listen to each other. It's like the easiest thing in the world. Just be a listener and it's okay to be wrong. I, I, like, that's, that's also another thing that like, I've really come to terms with. Like, it's like, I always would find myself like, wanting to be right about the thing, wanting to be this. And it almost makes you look better.

• 1:18:49Benny Blanco?

  If you're like, you know what? I was, I was wrong. And stop trying to like defend a thing to the end that you know you're wrong about. So it's like, I, I, I was wrong. I was wrong. And then like, everyone's happy. If you just say, if you're like, I was wrong. I messed up. I messed up. Instead of like trying, it's like putting shame around being wrong. And it's okay to be wrong. Like, it's okay to fuck up sometimes, like, you know?

• 1:19:14Jay Shetty?

  I think that's great. Listen and it's okay to be wrong.

• 1:19:17Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, it's okay to be wrong.

• 1:19:18Jay Shetty?

  Uh, fifth and final question, Benny. We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:19:27Benny Blanco?

  You know, I just, I wish there was a world where just.

• 1:19:32Benny Blanco?

  Everyone could find a way to just like fit in and just like not be. It's okay to get upset sometimes. I just wish people could talk things out and and find a way to like love each other and find. I don't know, find a way to like live together, you know, it just like killed like anytime. It's so hard for me to ever watch any of the news and it's just like, oh, I'm like, it just like crushes me. Watching people fight and people like violence and it's like crazy like I don't understand. I just like, don't even under, I don't know people. You know, to like, for someone to do something so bad to like an innocent per, like anytime I see things like that, I just don't understand and I, you know, I.

• 1:20:18Benny Blanco?

  In my ideal world, there's. I don't even know if it's a law. I don't, people just be nice to each other and and and just be like caring and considerate and understand. That it's okay to not be the same as somebody else and it's okay to not have the exact same opinion as somebody else. But you guys can coexist and live and just like, I, I, I don't know. It's like, I always have these like idealistic thoughts in my head and it's very hard to create those because we're so far gone as a planet. You know, there's like so much greed and there's so much, I don't know, I've always been like, just like. Happy, whether it was like I had a lot of money or no money. And I've always found that when me and my friends listen to each other and work together and talk things out like.

• 1:21:03Benny Blanco?

  Every, like, nothing can go wrong. And if it can, if it does go wrong, then. You talk about it and you make it better. And I don't know, what, what's the best law you heard someone say?

• 1:21:13Jay Shetty?

  Oh, that's a good question. Um, I, I think a lot of people share the sentiment that you're saying, like, I think a lot of us. Feel like that, like we want to live in a more just, happier, loving kind of world. I think two that stand out to me, Daniel Kaluuya came on, he's the guy. Yeah, so Daniel came on and he said that for everyone that you judged or criticized, the law would be that you'd have to then, whoever you judge and criticize, you'd have to go live as them for a day or a year or something like that.

• 1:21:45Benny Blanco?

  Oh, I like that.

• 1:21:46Jay Shetty?

  It was like a, it was like a fixed thing. And then Trevor Noah had one, his one was there'd be a rule that every day, someone's bank balance in the planet could go to zero. So it could be you, your friend, your family member, and how differently you'd behave with people, knowing that that could be you one day. It could be your mom, it could be your dad, it could be your friend. And that way you'd be more conscious of what it would feel like to be around people who don't have a lot.

• 1:22:11Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, I changed mine, free weed for everyone.

• 1:22:16Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my, that's my new one. No, that's great, that's a good one.

• 1:22:21Jay Shetty?

  Is weed unlocked your creativity? Does it make you anxious, as you were mentioning for other people earlier?

• 1:22:27Benny Blanco?

  I love smoking weed. You, are you allowed to?

• 1:22:30Jay Shetty?

  I don't, I don't.

• 1:22:31Benny Blanco?

  You don't do anything?

• 1:22:32Jay Shetty?

  Not that I'm not allowed to.

• 1:22:32Benny Blanco?

  You don't do anything? You ever have a sip of alcohol?

• 1:22:35Jay Shetty?

  No, not anymore.

• 1:22:36Benny Blanco?

  When'd you quit? When you were a monk?

• 1:22:38Jay Shetty?

  Fifteen years ago, yeah, fifteen, sixteen years.

• 1:22:41Benny Blanco?

  What, what, what's your, what do you do? What's your wild thing?

• 1:22:45Jay Shetty?

  My wild thing is.

• 1:22:46Benny Blanco?

  Strippers, I know. No, I'm just kidding, no, what is it?

• 1:22:49Jay Shetty?

  I'm a soup, I guess my wildness, I'm super competitive. So if I'm playing a sport that I'm good at.

• 1:22:55Benny Blanco?

  No, come on, give me like, what's your, what's your vice?

• 1:22:58Jay Shetty?

  My vice is sugar, man, it's like it's taking me forever. Yeah, literally, I'm like, yeah. My vice is sugar, my vice is I like to work hard, my vice is.

• 1:23:07Benny Blanco?

  So, but you don't have anything, so you don't have.

• 1:23:09Jay Shetty?

  Well, no, it's not that I don't have anything, I've worked on it hard.

• 1:23:11Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:12Jay Shetty?

  For years and years.

• 1:23:13Benny Blanco?

  So no drinking, no weed, no psychedelics, no.

• 1:23:16Jay Shetty?

  No, I, I'd be.

• 1:23:18Benny Blanco?

  I saw, I saw your eye glimmer a little.

• 1:23:20Jay Shetty?

  I'm always open to exploring anything that would, I mean, weed was something that I did a lot in my teens. So it's not something I've never done.

• 1:23:27Benny Blanco?

  I want to know the teen you, the teen you was wild.

• 1:23:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, the teen we was wild, I think that's what it is, like, growing up in London too, like you start drinking very early. You start playing around with drugs and stuff very early. And so we just had access to a lot of things. So I feel like it's not that I don't, it's that I've done a lot in my teens. And so it's not that I have a, again, and I have nothing against it. I think I'm always open to things that have medicinal or healing benefits. So I've always been open. A lot of my clients will do MDMA, do Iboga, do Ayahuasca like. And so I'm very familiar with these things and I'm always working alongside uh, neuro- clinical neuroscientists that I take advice from for my clients and clients own exploration. So I'm very aware and like to be educated more and get more experience, but

• 1:24:12Jay Shetty?

  I would do it if I felt there was healing that that could reward me with for sure. I'm very open to anything that has healing powers.

• 1:24:19Benny Blanco?

  You take any supplements?

• 1:24:20Jay Shetty?

  I take a lot. I take 20 supplements a day.

• 1:24:22Benny Blanco?

  All right, let's tell me about the supplements.

• 1:24:23Jay Shetty?

  Yes, I'm taking, I'll show you my drawer later. It's like literally 20 tablets a day, but it's like B12, magnesium, D, C, uh, K, um, probiotics, uh, gut supplements, creatine, like a million.

• 1:24:41Benny Blanco?

  Why do you take them all?

• 1:24:42Jay Shetty?

  Because I, I really do feel a difference.

• 1:24:44Benny Blanco?

  Wait, why do you take creatine? That's like from the eighties.

• 1:24:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, but it works. It's like, so what's really interesting is that I work with, we've had the doctor that I work with on the show. His name is Dr. Shah. He runs Next Health.

• 1:24:55Benny Blanco?

  Okay.

• 1:24:55Jay Shetty?

  And Next Health basically will do the deepest blood tests and give you like.

• 1:25:00Benny Blanco?

  Oh yeah. You do that thing where you have like a bowl of pills you gotta take. It's like a packet every day.

• 1:25:05Jay Shetty?

  You get all your biomarkers. You get everything. And what I've found is that different body types can't digest certain things. Like my body can't get the nutrients from certain things. So I have to eat different proteins. I'm also plant-based. So the supplements provide me with all the missing nutrients. So.

• 1:25:20Benny Blanco?

  Were you feeling bad before you did this?

• 1:25:22Jay Shetty?

  I was feeling, when I wasn't taking all the supplements, I was feeling more tired more easily.

• 1:25:28Benny Blanco?

  Oh wow.

• 1:25:29Jay Shetty?

  And I was like, why am I tired? Cause I work out, I sleep well, I meditate, like I, why am I tired?

• 1:25:36Benny Blanco?

  What type of tired?

• 1:25:37Jay Shetty?

  Uh, just like a feeling of like lethargy or fatigue at the end of the day.

• 1:25:41Benny Blanco?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:25:41Jay Shetty?

  But like a tired that I didn't like. And I realized that. So vitamin D is meant to be at 60 is safe, 100 is ideal. I was at 10.

• 1:25:49Benny Blanco?

  Hmm.

• 1:25:50Jay Shetty?

  And if, and people always say, well, you live in LA, you get enough vitamin D. It's not true. Like you've got to be out in the sun naked like for four hours a day to get enough vitamin D. Especially with my color of skin. And so for me to take vitamin D is non-negotiable. And for most people are low in vitamin D. And so my doctors, my nutrition was saying, Jay, your vitamin D levels means you should be depressed. I was like, I don't feel depressed. I'm just tired. And she was just like, well, you know, if you change that will make a massive difference and it did.

• 1:26:18Benny Blanco?

  Wow.

• 1:26:18Jay Shetty?

  And so I think a lot of people, a lot of the times we think we're struggling mentally, but a lot of it's chemical and biological and physical. What you're saying with working out.

• 1:26:26Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:27Jay Shetty?

  Right? Like it's a physical shift that's changed your mindset. And we can get in our head and go, oh God, why am I tired? There's something wrong with me. Like, maybe I'm stressed and it can be that.

• 1:26:35Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:36Jay Shetty?

  Of course it can be that, but sometimes it's chemical and physical. So.

• 1:26:39Benny Blanco?

  So you take twenty supplements.

• 1:26:40Jay Shetty?

  I'll show you. Yeah. I'll show you my little pill drawer.

• 1:26:43Benny Blanco?

  What, do you do any other things?

• 1:26:45Jay Shetty?

  No, no, that's.

• 1:26:45Benny Blanco?

  Do you drink any other tinctures through the day that you have to?

• 1:26:49Jay Shetty?

  No, no. Well, creatine is, I have to mix it in and then.

• 1:26:53Benny Blanco?

  But why do, why do they have you do creatine?

• 1:26:55Jay Shetty?

  That's for me to digest a particular nutrient.

• 1:26:58Benny Blanco?

  Ah.

• 1:26:58Jay Shetty?

  For, for my digestion to be good. I also take um.

• 1:27:01Benny Blanco?

  Oh, do you have trouble? You have bad stomach?

• 1:27:03Jay Shetty?

  Not a bad stomach. I think that when I went completely plant-based, which I always tell people if they're making that transition. I always tell people to do it slowly. I kind of did it overnight.

• 1:27:13Benny Blanco?

  When?

• 1:27:13Jay Shetty?

  Um, eight years ago when I married my wife, I was vegetarian, but I became plant-based as soon as I married her. And I think that my gut reacted poorly to that quick transition. And so whenever anyone's talking about being plant-based or eating healthier, I'm always like, do it slowly because your body's just used to a habit. Whether it's good or bad. And now I feel great, but it, it was a transitionary period for sure. So I do that and then I do, I, I have um vinegar before meals because that regulates the acid internally. So that's like mix a shot of vinegar with diluted in water.

• 1:27:47Benny Blanco?

  Do you take like a lot of protein a day?

• 1:27:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I take a lot of protein, but a lot of protein meals, but like natural, natural forms of um as much as I can.

• 1:27:56Benny Blanco?

  Wow. What's your natural protein?

• 1:27:58Jay Shetty?

  Well, like I'm doing a lot of lentils and dals, like the Indian, the Indian diet generally leads.

• 1:28:02Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:03Jay Shetty?

  Well, to that kind of stuff.

• 1:28:04Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:04Jay Shetty?

  And then I will do things like tofu, which of course, you know, and then not so natural suppo- uh, not so natural forms of protein as well.

• 1:28:12Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Jay Shetty?

  I call it, I'll found, I found these amazing bagels that are protein filled, that are plant-based. They're amazing. So things like that, just to, just to stock up. But I've found that eating protein every day has made a big difference. The amount of protein that we don't have in our diets is insane. And I'm not a pro at this. We've had doctors who've come on the show and really educated people.

• 1:28:29Benny Blanco?

  Yeah, you're, you're supposed to eat a gram of protein per a pound.

• 1:28:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And you, you realize you're like nowhere close. Like even if you're eating meat, it's hard.

• 1:28:38Benny Blanco?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:39Jay Shetty?

  And so what to speak of anyone who's plant based. Benny, this has been a joy and honor. I hope we do a part two.

• 1:28:46Benny Blanco?

  I love it.

• 1:28:46Jay Shetty?

  I hope there's dinners. I hope there's so much more in the works with this.

• 1:28:50Benny Blanco?

  I can't wait.

• 1:28:51Jay Shetty?

  Relationship, but I appreciate you, man. Thank you so much. Like you took us on a whole journey today and I felt like we got a peek into your mind, which is always my favorite thing to do.

• 1:28:59Benny Blanco?

  Thanks.

• 1:28:59Jay Shetty?

  Uh, I want everyone to know Open Wide is available right now. So make sure you go grab it. We'll put the link in the caption, in the comments and wherever you're viewing. Of course, if you don't follow Benny on social media already, please go and follow him across platforms. And Benny, thank you so much for showing up for On Purpose today. So grateful and deeply appreciate it, man.

• 1:29:18Benny Blanco?

  Thank you, man.

• 1:29:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, thank you. If this is the year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more, I need you to listen to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods that lead to success and the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If you're trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you.

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