Meghan Trainor ON: Breaking Generational Trauma & How to Be Confident From the Inside Out

You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive show where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon. Today, I sit down with Meghan Trainor, an award-winning singer, songwriter, producer, and multi-instrumentalist that has garnered a GRAMMY for Best New Artist, achieved eight multi-platinum singles and two platinum albums, sold out three world tours, penned multi-platinum hits for peers across pop and country, received countless industry awards and nominations, and has recently started her own podcast with her brother Ryan Trainor entitled Workin’ On It, while also becoming a TikTok star. She has just released her new single “Bad For Me,” featuring Teddy Swims, and has announced her fourth full-length album, Takin’ It Back, arriving October 21st, 2022, via Epic Records. Meghan shares what her childhood was like growing up on a small community island, her passion for song writing and how having supportive parents helped her get recognition for her talent and eventually led to releasing her debut song, All About That Bass. We talk about how being authentic and just showing up as yourself online and in real life will make people appreciate you more, why appreciating the body you have is the best way to love yourself, the crippling panic attacks that were overcome by asking for help and working with the right people, and how she has found love with a man who accepted her flaws and sees her true value. Meghan shows us how our life may be built within a bubble and still find the courage to dream big, break free from any limitations, and find success in doing things we are passionate about. What We Discuss: 00:00:00 Intro 00:03:59 The secret door 00:06:50 And we got two toilets 00:09:00 Growing up in Nantucket 00:11:24 The songwriting journey 00:17:21 Supportive parents 00:20:47 Why I am who I am 00:24:34 What inspires you then and now? 00:27:44 Showing up authentically on social media 00:29:36 Worst panic attack 00:35:19 Taking antidepressants while pregnant 00:39:36 “I don’t want to end up in a psych ward…” 00:47:08 Our biggest crisis is a crisis of habits 00:51:29 “When I met Daryl…” 00:54:03 Loving your own body 00:58:28 Meghan on Final Five Episode Resources Meghan Trainor | Instagram Meghan Trainor | Twitter Meghan Trainor | Facebook Meghan Trainor | TikTok Meghan Trainor | Website Workin' On It with Meghan Trainor & Ryan Trainor Do you want to meditate daily with me? Go to go.calm.com/onpurpose to get 40% off a Calm Premium Membership. Experience the Daily Jay. Only on Calm Want to be a Jay Shetty Certified Life Coach? Get the Digital Guide and Workbook from Jay Shetty https://jayshettypurpose.com/fb-getting-started-as-a-life-coach-podcast/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:35Meghan Trainor?

  All day long, your body is saying, "Fire alarm, fire alarm, fire to flight, run." And I was like, "Mm-hmm." Like, I was sitting with him and my back felt like it was on fire. I was like, "See, it's crazy. It's happening right now. Feel it. I think it's really hot." He was like, "No, your chemicals are so messed up that your body doesn't know where you're supposed to be. Your adrenals are on fire."

• 3:03Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you who come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. And I am so excited to be talking to you today. I can't believe it. My new book, Eight Rules of Love, is out, and I cannot wait to share it with you. I am so, so excited for you to read this book, for you to listen to this book. I read the audiobook. If you haven't got it already, make sure you go to eightrulesoflove.com. It's dedicated to anyone who's trying to find, keep, or let go of love. So if you've got friends that are dating, broken up, or struggling with love, make sure you grab this book.

• 3:44Jay Shetty?

  And I'd love to invite you to come and see me for my global tour, Love Rules. Go to jschettytour.com to learn more information about tickets, VIP experiences, and more. I can't wait to see you this year. Now, you know that I love sitting down with people from different backgrounds, different walks of life, who are adding meaning, impact, and purpose into the world that have an incredible presence and use it to do so much good in the world. And today's guest is someone who has been so kind to me, so gracious to me, online and offline. And our first interaction was actually this January when- I announced me being the Chief Purpose Officer at Calm and we did a series of lives.

• 4:25Jay Shetty?

  And when this guest today said yes, I was over the moon because I love her energy. I followed her for a long, long time, admire her work. And for her to say yes was a dream come true. So today's guest is none other than Meghan Trainor. And Meghan first made history in 2014 with her Diamond Certified Hit Single, All About That Bass. Since then, the award-winning singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist has garnered a Grammy for Best New Artist, achieved eight multi-platinum singles and two platinum albums, sold out three world tours, penned multi-platinum hits for peers across pop and country, and received countless industry awards and nominations.

• 5:07Jay Shetty?

  Now, on top of all of that, last fall, we got to watch Meghan as the host of Top Chef Family Style on Peacock and as a judge on Clash of the Cover Bands on E. In September of 2021, she also launched her podcast, Working on It, which she hosts alongside her brother Ryan. Meghan has recently released her new single, Bad For Me, which, by the way, my producer's been singing and listening to all week, featuring Teddy Swims, along with the announcement of her fourth full-length album, Takin It Back, arriving October 21st, 2022. Mark the date. Welcome, Meghan Trainor. Meghan, thank you for being here.

• 5:45Meghan Trainor?

  You're amazing.

• 5:46Jay Shetty?

  No, you're amazing. You did all of that.

• 5:48Meghan Trainor?

  I can't believe it.

• 5:50Jay Shetty?

  You had to live it, you had to create it, you had to write it. I mean, it's incredible.

• 5:55Meghan Trainor?

  Wow.

• 5:55Jay Shetty?

  Congratulations.

• 5:56Meghan Trainor?

  Thank you. I sound so cool.

• 5:59Jay Shetty?

  You are.

• 5:59Meghan Trainor?

  When you say it, yeah.

• 6:00Jay Shetty?

  Even just your energy walking in today and I saw you come out the car and just your presence, your energy, everything that you said. I was just like, this is my kind of human, like this is the kind of person that I want to be around.

• 6:11Meghan Trainor?

  You'll adopt me. Okay, yay. Thank you.

• 6:14Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for being here, honestly.

• 6:16Meghan Trainor?

  Thanks for having me. I'm honored that you are, you're like Oprah. You're amazing what you do for everyone in the world. And I'm honored and I'll do whatever you tell me to do. So thank you. Thanks for letting me be here.

• 6:27Jay Shetty?

  I I'm humbled and touched by that. I actually got to say that Oprah because she I grew up watching her. And so for me, when I finally got to interview her, her book was coming out. We got to do the first interview. It was very exciting for me. And I said to her afterwards, I said, hey Oprah, like, you know, I I think I do what I do because I grew up watching you and you showed me that you can make meaningful stuff really powerful and it can be really mainstream. It doesn't have to be in this little box over here. And what she said to me is really special. She said that Maya Angelou said to her that her best work will not be the impact she makes, but the impact that the people she impacts make. And I just thought that so anyway, I I appreciate, but I'm passing it on to Oprah.

• 7:09Meghan Trainor?

  And you're my Oprah.

• 7:10Jay Shetty?

  And

• 7:11Meghan Trainor?

  Thank you so much.

• 7:12Jay Shetty?

  But I want to dive into so many things with you today because you're just such an interesting, fascinating person.

• 7:19Meghan Trainor?

  Okay.

• 7:19Jay Shetty?

  But the first thing I want to ask you is you have a secret door in your home.

• 7:23Meghan Trainor?

  I do.

• 7:24Jay Shetty?

  I want to know all about it because

• 7:25Meghan Trainor?

  How did you know that?

• 7:26Jay Shetty?

  Because to me, yeah, of course, because to me, secret doors. Like, that's the guy when you just showed me your garden too, and I'm not going to give anything away, but those are the kind of homes I get fascinated about because they're the kind of homes you dreamed of as a kid.

• 7:38Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah, literally.

• 7:39Jay Shetty?

  So so tell me about this.

• 7:40Meghan Trainor?

  I'm creating my dream house for when I was a child. Yeah, that's what I'm doing right now for my future four children. I have one now, but he can barely walk, so we'll get there. But I have a secret door in my house. And the house I bought is really cool. Not a lot of houses in L A have attics and basement, and I have both in this house. And my husband, we did so much construction and he was like, the only thing I want. I'm like, oh, yes, what would you like, babe? And he was like, um, a secret door, so it looks like a bookshelf. And I was like, done, absolutely. We're doing that. Um, and it's the best part of our tour when we give tours of our house. Everyone's like, what?

• 8:17Jay Shetty?

  And I'm like, yeah. Where does it lead to?

• 8:18Meghan Trainor?

  Um, an attic that I'm turning into like the best kids playground ever that I want to do like homeschooling eventually in. So yeah, we got like slides up there and

• 8:29Jay Shetty?

  That's incredible. I I'm inviting myself over just right now.

• 8:33Meghan Trainor?

  It's so fun, man. Yeah, my house is gonna be sick one day when it's done.

• 8:37Jay Shetty?

  I love it. I'm very excited. I I went to home when I first moved to LA. I think I was living here already. And it's the coolest house I've ever been to. His name is Frank Luntz. And he's a speechwriter for most of the presidents of the United States. And that's that's his career to write speeches, teach people communication. And we spoke at a conference together in Singapore. And his presentation was amazing. And somehow he liked mine. And so we became friends over it. At the end, and we got connected and he lives in LA too. And he was like, all right, when you're back, come over to my house. I was like, great. He's in his like mid 50s or something. And so I went over for dinner at his house. And his house is like a museum, like he has the first shirt that Nelson Mandela wore to the United States.

• 9:18Jay Shetty?

  And he has like all of these incredible documents, like the invite that JFK received before the assassination, like he has, he's just like these really amazing things. And we went into this room and it had this, it wasn't the Titanic, it was another famous boat, like a structure of it. And there was a little Winston Churchill in the corner. And he asked me to stroke Winston Churchill's head. And that's when things got really weird. And then I looked at my phone, I had no data, I had no signal. I was really scared. And so I I saw the little Winston Churchill. And he goes, yeah, stroke his head three times. And I was like, this is getting really weird. But okay, I stroked Winston Churchill's head three times. And this trap door opened and it was so cool. And I'll say I'll say the rest of it later. But anyway, my point being, I love trap doors.

• 9:59Jay Shetty?

  You also have, you also have, not trap doors, I love secret doors.

• 10:04Meghan Trainor?

  I love dungeons.

• 10:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love dungeons. Yeah, I'm from London.

• 10:07Meghan Trainor?

  Sick.

• 10:08Jay Shetty?

  Dungeons are a big thing in London. The London dungeons is a great attraction for anyone who's wondering. But you also have two toilets.

• 10:14Meghan Trainor?

  I have two toilets.

• 10:15Jay Shetty?

  Can you, can you explain that too?

• 10:16Meghan Trainor?

  Wow, you really gotta come over to my house. You're gonna see all this.

• 10:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm I'm very fascinated by aesthetic.

• 10:21Meghan Trainor?

  My weird stuff.

• 10:22Jay Shetty?

  I love it.

• 10:23Meghan Trainor?

  Okay, so in our bedroom upstairs, there's one bathroom and the other bedrooms are farther away. And my husband and I get up all night long with the baby we used to. Now he sleeps, he's great. But we used to get up all night long. And every time I had to pee, Daryl would have to pee at the same time. And I'd be like, get up, it's my turn. And I remember in this new house, we literally like built rooms from scratch and they had a bidet next to the bathroom. And I was like, we'll never use that. But there was an extra hole. And then I saw the dream and I was like, I have an extra toilet. And I was to the plumber, I was like, can you pop both of these next to each other? And he was like, what are you talking about? I was like, just right there, right next to each other. And he like laughed and thought I was joking. I was like, get it done.

• 11:07Meghan Trainor?

  And he did, and it was the best decision ever. Like, if you're really close with your husband, like my, like, we're, we're tight, we're close to the most. We like pee together and it's the best bonding time ever.

• 11:18Jay Shetty?

  I love it.

• 11:19Meghan Trainor?

  Like, I don't know, we're not nasty with it, but like, it blew up and the whole world is like, ew. And I have a couple of friends that are, they're older than Daryl and I are. We're young, we got lucky, we met each other at like twenty two. But they're like, you pee in the same room as your husband? I'm like, oh, he'll chill with me if I'm going number two. Like, we hang out, you know, like, we don't do it at the same time, but yeah.

• 11:45Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Well, well, thank you. We wanted to start there.

• 11:48Meghan Trainor?

  You're welcome, yeah.

• 11:48Jay Shetty?

  So now, now everything goes deep.

• 11:50Meghan Trainor?

  There's my bathroom, yeah.

• 11:51Jay Shetty?

  But no, I love it. Thank you, and thank you for letting us into your home. I've, I've been loving following you on TikTok for that reason. It's just, it's so nice getting to know someone and then meeting someone in person and going, oh, you're, you're even more wonderful in person is, is a great feeling, so. But, but I, I want to go through parts of your journey that, that I thought would be interesting to us and you and just everything you talk about when it comes to mental health and you talk about like toxic relationships. And I just love your openness and vulnerability in a way that I know my community and audience really needs that insight. Uh, but I want to go all the way back to Nantucket, which is where you grew up, right? Yeah. And I, I like, you know, the, the feedback that I always hear about is, oh, it's the cutest town, or you know, it's like,

• 12:31Jay Shetty?

  tell me about what it was like growing up there for you and, you know, what you dreamed of at that time.

• 12:38Meghan Trainor?

  The world was so small. Everything was so small, the buildings are small. So when we would go off island, which was like travel anywhere else, we're like, oh, you're going off island? Um, like the buildings were huge and there's like traffic lights or used to stop signs. So everywhere else felt huge and I still get scared when I go to New York. I'm like, whoa, these buildings are way too tall. Um, and like when we park in a parking garage, I have full panic because I'm like, well, we're gonna be late. We have to find a parking spot and get a ticket, the whole thing. But Nantucket was great and growing up there, though, there's, there's no mall. There's no place for kids to hang out. So you start drinking and doing drugs at like fourteen.

• 13:16Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 13:16Meghan Trainor?

  And like hooking up at a very young age. And like when I look back at stuff that we did, I'm like, how was I not murdered or kidnapped? Or like, how am I not a full blown drug addict? A lot of my friends are. And even my brother had problems with alcohol and drugs, but he managed it so well that we were like, you don't have a problem, you're just fun, you know? And then recently he was like, okay, I need to be sober.

• 13:40Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 13:41Meghan Trainor?

  So it was, it's like, if you made it off that rock, like you won, you survived. So it was a crazy place to live.

• 13:48Jay Shetty?

  It's, it's so different when I grew up in London, which is obviously this big city and you're always around big buildings. And then I moved to New York and I've lived in Mumbai and now I live in LA. So I've always been moving from big city to big city.

• 14:00Meghan Trainor?

  You got that tough, like you can handle it.

• 14:02Jay Shetty?

  Well, you can handle the city, but there's, there's also, it takes a lot more effort to feel grounded or to be immature or, you know, that took a lot of training.

• 14:10Meghan Trainor?

  Wow.

• 14:10Jay Shetty?

  Took a lot of training for me to adapt to that. And I also find that, you know, when you, when you're talking about, I went to Montana recently and, and that's where, when I was speaking to a lot of the, uh, people that lived in the area and a lot of the kids there were saying they'd never left. Um, and they were saying that they all went to the same salon on a Saturday evening and they, that one of them went to NYU for the summer, but then she moved back and she was like, she'd never seen a Chipotle before she'd moved out of town and all that kind of stuff. And, and it's always interesting to me because we grow up in such bubbles where you think everyone thinks like you and everyone's living like you. When was the first time that that bubble kind of was burst or changed or switched? What was the experience where you're like, oh, wow, there's a whole world and people who think differently and?

• 14:55Meghan Trainor?

  Um, I mean, when my parents started bringing me to songwriting conventions, like songwriting competitions and I would travel like my. My brothers got a gift. Well, it'd be a whole family thing. I have two brothers. So for Christmas one year, they're like, we're gonna go to California and have Meghan go to this songwriting thing with ASCAP. And the boys would get to go to the zoo, you know, so it would always be a family thing, but they would make sure the boys got to do something fun, too. But I remember like traveling with my family and seeing Hollywood and I was like, ew. But like, oh, it's a little different than the movies. But then I lived in Nashville for a year by myself.

• 15:33Meghan Trainor?

  And that was my college. I was nineteen and I was like a songwriter. I would drive to work at noon and I'd write a song and I'd come home by myself. And I did that for a year and then wrote All About That Bass and got signed and like had to move to LA at nineteen. So a lot of my friends were like in college and went home for the summer and I was like, I didn't. I don't know. I felt like I missed a lot of learning steps and relationships. Like I feel like there's a whole friend group out there that I would have had, that I don't know them, you know, because I just went to work. But I wouldn't have it any other way. Like we did it.

• 16:09Jay Shetty?

  That's, yeah, that's, yeah.

• 16:10Meghan Trainor?

  But I, there's, there's definitely differences that I'm frustrated with. Like, I don't know how to do taxes. I don't know how to do many things because at nineteen, all of a sudden, there was a team that did it for me.

• 16:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 16:23Meghan Trainor?

  And so when like, I don't know, there's simple tasks that I'm like, I can't, can't imagine doing that, that I feel. My, I'm working with my therapist on it. I feel stupid sometimes. I feel silly and like, and she's like, you're not stupid. Like, look around. And I'm like, yeah, but there's simple things I can't figure out. Geography. I don't know where anything is. I don't know where I am in the world.

• 16:45Jay Shetty?

  Meghan, I wanna, I wanna share something with you. I promise you that most people who went to college don't know how to do their taxes.

• 16:49Meghan Trainor?

  Okay, good.

• 16:50Jay Shetty?

  I know what, know what, the, the problem, I'll be honest with you, me included. And I, I went to, I went to Cass Business School. Like, I don't know how to do my own taxes.

• 16:58Meghan Trainor?

  Okay, good.

• 16:59Jay Shetty?

  Because, and the reason I say that is because you're just never trained in the simple things.

• 17:04Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 17:04Jay Shetty?

  Like, it's, it's sad, but no one knows how to get a mortgage or how to, you know, how to, how to get their taxes. Like, you don't know these until you have to do it.

• 17:12Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 17:12Jay Shetty?

  And then when you have to do it, you figure it out. Like, for me, I had to learn a whole new system when I moved to the US. So just about when I figured, so I moved to the US when I was twenty-eight and so.

• 17:23Meghan Trainor?

  I'm twenty-eight.

• 17:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Oh, there we go. Yeah. You moved to LA when you were nineteen, so.

• 17:27Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:28Jay Shetty?

  Bit of a different experience, but yeah, no, I moved to the US six years ago when I was twenty eight. And it was like, I just figured out how to do taxes in London. And then I moved and had to figure it all out again. And so I, you know, I don't think you should be so hard on yourself because, because I'd be honest with you and say, I don't think most people know how to do the things you just mentioned.

• 17:47Meghan Trainor?

  Okay, good. I thought everyone knew.

• 17:51Jay Shetty?

  But when you look at that experience, when you talk about going to songwriting competitions.

• 17:55Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Jay Shetty?

  It's really interesting because competition often turns people off art. And it can often be a challenge where it's like you're competing at something and then often you lose taste for it. I remember I swam a lot when I was in college and high school and I was a pretty good swimmer. And my parents really wanted me to be a competitive swimmer and I hated the competitive side of swimming. I love competition in other areas of my life. I just didn't enjoy it in the water. For you, what was that experience like of, because that was even younger than nineteen, right? You're going to these competitions with other kids. Yeah, with other kids.

• 18:27Meghan Trainor?

  But it wasn't even kids, it was adults.

• 18:28Jay Shetty?

  Oh, wow.

• 18:29Meghan Trainor?

  Like it ranged from my age seventeen to like fifty five, where they're like, I still want to be a songwriter and here's my chance. And I would like always write on my CDs before we played it. I'd be like, I produced it myself, like be easy on the production. And I was like, I was just a young girl. I don't know what I'm doing here. And they would critique your songs in front of everyone. So it wasn't like we were competing at these places.

• 18:51Jay Shetty?

  It's like America's Got Talent, kind of, but for songwriting.

• 18:53Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah, but for songwriting. And if you won, you got signed. And my second year I did it and I was like, Dad, I don't want to go back. And he's like, your album's way better now. Let's go back. The second year I got signed and everyone's like, Megan's the one that got picked this year. And I was like, I did it.

• 19:09Jay Shetty?

  That's amazing. Do you remember any feedback from the first year that like stayed with you?

• 19:13Meghan Trainor?

  Oh, it killed me. Yeah. My lyrics didn't make sense because they didn't. Um, my production was bad and, but they saw potential. They're like, it's in there. You just gotta be better at, like, maybe you shouldn't have said that here, or this doesn't really rhyme and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, they don't know anything. I'm like, Dad, they suck. But then I went home and I wrote a whole new album and sent it in. And then it was like night and day and they're like, wow, you took our notes and you came back. So it was great and everyone should do it. And it sucked and it was great. But my parents would make fun of me because I'd be like, I want to go. And they would drag me. And then when I'd be like, when I'd go, I'd be like, that was the best thing ever. I rock. And they're like, see?

• 19:52Jay Shetty?

  How do people get that courage, though? Because I feel that.

• 19:55Meghan Trainor?

  Supportive parents.

• 19:57Jay Shetty?

  You, that was it?

• 19:58Meghan Trainor?

  That was it.

• 19:58Jay Shetty?

  Really?

• 19:59Meghan Trainor?

  My parents believed in me so much and I was bad. Like, I wasn't horrific, but I was bad. Like, I hear the songs now and I'm like, what were you guys thinking? And my mom, like nowadays, she's like, she's still trying to get those fifteen year old songs cut. Like, they're, sorry, not cut. Uh, a lot of people don't know what that's, what that means. When I say like, get a song cut, I mean, another artist sing it. So she's still trying to like, sell those songs. And I'm like, Mom, they're embarrassing. Like, there's, sometimes those songs will get pitched and they'll get cut. And she's like, I knew it. Like, I knew you were good back then. And I'm like, wow, you really believed in me. And my parents are those parents that are like, everyone should go to college. And for me, they were like, go to work. Like, go be a songwriter. This is what you're good at. You're gonna do this forever.

• 20:42Jay Shetty?

  What, how do you think they noticed that? Like, what was it in you? Because, obviously, and that's wonderful to hear that, but they obviously saw something.

• 20:50Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 20:50Jay Shetty?

  And they saw a habit, a trait, a pattern, some work ethic. What did they see?

• 20:54Meghan Trainor?

  I think my work ethic at a young age, like, I wasn't getting all As in school, but I'd get like B minuses and Cs and whatever. But I would come home after school every single day and I would use the production that my dad would get me at Christmas time. I'd use my computer and I would be in GarageBand to Logic and I would write a song after school every day and I'd play it for them by dinnertime. So in like, four hours, I would write and produce a whole song and be like, check this out. And it was me, like, loving what I'm doing. It didn't feel like work, but it was also me showing my parents like, thank you for buying this for me. And like, I'm gonna make you proud with this someday. And my dad, my dad was like, this is a credit card where I'm buying all your stuff on. You can pay them back later when you're a successful songwriter.

• 21:40Meghan Trainor?

  I'm like, I'll buy you a house, so. There you go.

• 21:43Jay Shetty?

  How does it feel now that you're a mom? Like, how does that feel? Like, how are you taking parts of those gifts that your parents gave you to pass them on?

• 21:53Meghan Trainor?

  And like, My parents were an R the best. Like, my mom, she would be here today, but like,

• 21:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I was, I heard she was gonna come. I was really hoping to meet her.

• 21:59Meghan Trainor?

  I know, but we're trying to be nice with COVID and like, keep like, we're always like, pick one person and yeah. But she, uh, she's my assistant, full blown now. Like, uh,

• 22:10Jay Shetty?

  What's that like?

• 22:11Meghan Trainor?

  It's the best. It's the greatest. I'm lucky and I have a cool mom. A lot of people don't like their moms, but my mom is my best friend, my husband's best friend. They're the same person. I think I married my mom.

• 22:20Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 22:21Meghan Trainor?

  And, um, they like could finish each other's sentences. It's crazy.

• 22:25Jay Shetty?

  I love, he's sweet.

• 22:26Meghan Trainor?

  He's so sweet.

• 22:27Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, he's amazing.

• 22:27Meghan Trainor?

  They, uh, she's my full assistant because when I had like assistants, I've only had two. One was my best friend and then the second one became my best friend. And it's, I was just like, it gets uncomfortable. It's like, I don't want to ask you to go get my groceries. But my mom's like, I'm getting groceries. Do you want me to get some for you? I'm like, yes, please. Like, she's doing it anyways, you know? My mom was always my assistant forever, but she's not. She's just a loving mom.

• 22:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 22:53Meghan Trainor?

  But it's the greatest. And I think having the supportive family is the only reason why I'm here. I mean, I know it is.

• 22:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 22:58Meghan Trainor?

  That's why I keep them close.

• 23:01Jay Shetty?

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• 25:09Jay Shetty?

  Like, how are you doing that for your kids apart from building them amazing water slides?

• 25:13Meghan Trainor?

  Well, my kid sees his uncles every day because they live in my house. So I'm, he's surrounded by family all the time. And I think that's a part of his speech delay is like, like literally they're like, is he the only baby here? I'm like, mm-hmm, it's all adults and we all give him whatever he wants immediately. They're like, so let's wait till he asks and then you may give him his snack. I'm like, not that. So yeah, it's a matter of too much love. But I also want to give him three siblings, like blah, blah, blah, immediately.

• 25:46Jay Shetty?

  Yes. So you're working on that?

• 25:48Meghan Trainor?

  Working on that. I think December I'm going to try to get knocked up.

• 25:51Jay Shetty?

  I love it.

• 25:52Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 25:53Jay Shetty?

  I feel like for so many people, family is their contention point, right? Like, that's where they experience toxicity. It's where they experience.

• 26:01Meghan Trainor?

  Could be Turkey.

• 26:02Jay Shetty?

  Generational negative patterns and trauma. Whereas you have this beautiful setup and you're working on it. Obviously, it's not just like that. What do you think your parents or your family has done right over time to maintain that? When you just said that your your kid's surrounded by uncles and like, that's so beautiful when it works. And then there's so many people who, what is it that you think your parents did differently? What did, or what have you observed? I'm intrigued because I think that could be huge for people.

• 26:29Meghan Trainor?

  I'm breaking a lot of generational trauma and generational patterns, which I've learned with my therapist.

• 26:39Jay Shetty?

  Shout out.

• 26:40Meghan Trainor?

  We were, shout out my therapist. My new song, I said, my therapist told me to write you a letter. And she's like, you put what? I was like, yeah, I wrote about it. But as I've learned about like why I am who I am, it makes sense through my parents. Like, no one's perfect in my family. We look great, but there is some darkness. There are some clouds. And and I've just tried my very best to break all of that. And my mom is so good at adjusting and learning and seeing like, oh, we can change. We're not like this forever. Like, my mom's side of the family, they never talk about what's bothering them. We call it, her last name was Jekanowski. So we call it the Jekanowski secrets. And they never bring up how they really feel. And I'm like, we're not going to Jekanowski secret this.

• 27:25Meghan Trainor?

  We're going to talk right about it. Here's how you make me feel. And that has, my mother has changed significantly. The only category where she's still slacking is the self-talk, self-love.

• 27:36Jay Shetty?

  Right.

• 27:36Meghan Trainor?

  Bad.

• 27:37Jay Shetty?

  Bad.

• 27:38Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah. Which is where I got it from. And she knows, so she's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like, she won't take a picture. Like, she'll say, the camera will break. I'm like, what? That's so aggressive. Like, she's so mean on her and hard on herself. And I, and she's a part of that generation too, that like refuses to get therapy. And my dad, I told them recently, I was like, you would both benefit very well if you had therapy. And they were like. I know what's wrong with me. I don't need to talk about it. And I'm like, oh, my God, you're so lost. Like, so I'm trying to slowly get them into therapy. And and I've noticed my brothers now they're all close to their thirties. They have all woken up and seen like, oh, we have alcohol abuse in our family.

• 28:20Meghan Trainor?

  I should be sober. And that's what my brother has done. And he's like, an amazing human now. He was great before, but he was poisoned, you know?

• 28:28Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes.

• 28:28Meghan Trainor?

  And then even my younger brother, like, he's just they're they've grown up so much. And I think it's by watching me change my ways and change the patterns of the family and break those bad habits. That we can, us millennials, man, we're doing some work. It's exhausting, but somebody's got to do it. Because I will not have my kids have these bad patterns.

• 28:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 28:51Meghan Trainor?

  You know what I mean?

• 28:51Jay Shetty?

  They'll just have other ones now.

• 28:53Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah, they'll make up their own.

• 28:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, no, but that's, I I love hearing that. And it's, it's wonderful to understand that everyone is needing help from an individual if you want to change an area of your life. Like, I just feel like one of the things I'm certain about is that if I'm serious about something, I better be accountable to someone else in that area of my life, whether that's a therapist, a coach, a personal trainer, whatever it may be.

• 29:19Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 29:20Jay Shetty?

  And I think if you're privileged enough and accessible enough to have that help in your life, it can make a huge difference. But knowing that your parents aren't doing it yet, yet they are using the language.

• 29:31Meghan Trainor?

  My mom's.

• 29:31Jay Shetty?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 29:32Meghan Trainor?

  She's much better.

• 29:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, she's using the language.

• 29:34Meghan Trainor?

  My dad's like, my dad's twenty years older than my mom.

• 29:37Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 29:38Meghan Trainor?

  So, yeah, he's like seventy four and she's fifty four. So she's like cool, young, hip kids. And my dad's like, this is how it is. I'm like, oh, no. But he's sweet and great.

• 29:48Jay Shetty?

  I love that. In in the beginning of your journey in music, today, we know that a lot of your relationships inspire you. You just said that, you know, your therapist told you to write a letter. And so like, you you hear the toxic or poor relationships you've been in that have inspired music. What was different about what inspired you back then and what inspires you now? Like, do you do you ever think about that? Like, what inspired your songwriting then and now?

• 30:12Meghan Trainor?

  Well, back then, I was a songwriter writing for other artists. So I was thinking like, what's not on the radio and what? Well, could be on the radio, but I, when I wrote All About That Bass, it was like a joke. Like it was like, I was like, no one's gonna cut this. We've wasted a day of work and we'll just write a therapy song for us. Like, cause the co-writer was like a man and it was the first time meeting him. So it's kind of like a blind date and you're like, where'd you grow up? How are, and we both were like, we were chubby kids and we had to learn how to love ourselves. And I was like, how funny would it be? It was like, I ain't no size two, but I can shake it, shake it. And I'm like, I'm not a confident dancer that dances in front of everyone, but imagine if I was.

• 30:56Meghan Trainor?

  And I remember being like, I'll sing the demo, who cares? And it was like a raw demo with no autotune and nothing. But the lyrics hit so many people that they're like, this is gonna be huge. Who's singing it? We'll just let her do it. So it was really from like a, a weird, raw place. Like I wasn't chasing radio. I wasn't, and I fell into that before when you talk about competition. I didn't know about charts and all that stuff. When they're like, you're number one. I was like, fantastic. Like, what is that? Like, number one everywhere, they're like everywhere. I was like, well, that was easy. So then anytime I did another song, I was like, it's not number one everywhere. What do you mean? Like, and then I was like, well, maybe I'm not doing what's on the radio. And then I caught myself chasing radio and just falling on my face.

• 31:41Meghan Trainor?

  So with this new album, Takin It Back, I was like, I'm gonna go back to when I did Do Op and just didn't care about any charts and anything and just do me.

• 31:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 31:50Meghan Trainor?

  And you'll hear that come out. And the first song they put out was a emo, toxic relationship song. I was like, oh, okay. Coming out passionate.

• 31:59Jay Shetty?

  And so it sounds like it's always been a raw emotion that's, that's gone out. Now you're taking it back and you're going back to that and you're really owning that. Like with this, with this new album, would you say that we're hearing you through the healing process? Are we hearing you healed? Are we hearing you?

• 32:13Meghan Trainor?

  I think you're, you're hearing, you're hearing a healed, mature mother. Who is just ruthlessly honest, you know? Like one song, Don't I Make It Look Easy, that I teased today on my Instagram, is like, Talking about, don't I make this look easy? Like, everything's perfect. Cause everyone who interviews me is like, you are so fun and you have the best family and best life. And I'm like, I cry so much. You just don't know it. Cause I don't film myself and post it, you know? So I say in the first verse, like I posted a picture, I read all the comments, I hearted the good ones. And if I'm being honest, I probably spent an hour on it. And then I'm like, huh, and it's just like a fun way of being ruthlessly honest.

• 32:57Meghan Trainor?

  Ruthlessly, that's not a word. A brutally honest.

• 33:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 33:00Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 33:00Jay Shetty?

  What's your take on that? What you just said of like, there's a lot of people who'll say, oh, well, if we're not taking pictures of ourselves crying and our videos of ourselves crying and posting it, we're only posting the highlight reel. Like, we hear this all the time.

• 33:13Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 33:13Jay Shetty?

  What's your personal take on what showing up authentically means to you?

• 33:18Meghan Trainor?

  Uh, I just noticed when I do talk about my fun, private person stuff, like my bathrooms goes viral. People love it. People are like, what? She's goofy. I'm like, mhm. And, and it's always a good reaction, which feels great.

• 33:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 33:31Meghan Trainor?

  Like I use that as my therapy of like, oh, the world likes me for just who I am. So I'm just gonna do that. And the more I did that, like literally the more popular I got, or the more people wanted to talk to me. The more I just like, that's why I did the podcast, cause we talk about private stuff that I'm like, normalize it. Like, I have hard poops, you know, like, and it, it just, it makes, I think it's more relatable and people are like, I have that problem too. That's, and the first place I saw that was my mental health. When I saw Carson Daly on the Today Show, explain a full panic attack. My mom didn't understand what was happening to me. My best friend, she couldn't understand, she couldn't help me. When I said, I need to go to the emergency room, cause I can't breathe. And she was like, just come here, I'll rub your head. I'm like, you don't get me right now.

• 34:15Meghan Trainor?

  I sent her that article and she was sobbing and was like, I finally get it. Cause I couldn't put it into words. And when Carson did it, I was like, you don't know what you did for my whole family.

• 34:24Jay Shetty?

  Have you ever told him that?

• 34:25Meghan Trainor?

  Oh, yeah. Every time I'm at the today, I'm like, God, save my life. He saved my family relationship.

• 34:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 34:31Meghan Trainor?

  Because I resented them for that. I was like, how do you not understand what I'm going through? You're my mother. Like, you're my favorite human being on this earth. Like, and, and now she still cries about it. She's like, I didn't know what you were going through. And then she'll look back at her life and go, oh, I had a panic attack that day. I thought I was just having a meltdown, but my heart was stopping that day. Like, I thought I was gonna die. And I was like, yeah, we're riddled with anxiety and you guys weren't allowed to talk about it, but we are. So here we are. Help. I'm like the biggest fan of screaming for help.

• 35:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 35:03Meghan Trainor?

  Something's wrong. Somebody help me.

• 35:05Jay Shetty?

  What was your worst experience?

• 35:07Meghan Trainor?

  With panic?

• 35:07Jay Shetty?

  With, with panic that you remember so strongly where, where you didn't feel anyone was there to help and you were screaming out for it?

• 35:13Meghan Trainor?

  I was in New York City. My first, like, big real panic attack was four AM. It's one of those like, never forget. Four AM, I was in glam, getting ready to announce the Grammy nominees for the year after I won. It's like a thing you do when you win, you go announce them. And it was gonna be live with Gayle King. And my assistant, who's my bestie, still is, she was reading me my schedule for that week. And it was like, sing here, perform there, after all my vocal issues were happening. And I'm just like, if I do that, this will, my voice will die and none of you will make money, you know, like, we're all going down. So I was reading this calendar and I was like, but how would I, if I go from there to, oh, there, there's no way I'm gonna make that.

• 35:56Meghan Trainor?

  And then I started getting like, I get a little tingly every time I talk about it. Ah, you start dissociating, like you start leaving your body like a ghost and like breathing. You start thinking about it and full panic comes in and I started crying because I was like, I think I'm dying. And, and I was like, what's going on? And I just had to scream, cry and breathe. And my husband, who was my boyfriend at the time, and my assistant looked at me and said, this is a panic attack. And I almost wish they never said that because I was like, what? This is what that is? Because I didn't know. I didn't really know what people were saying, like how they felt. You don't know until it's happening. And then when it ended, they were telling me, what's this? I was like, a lamp, a TV, a rug.

• 36:40Meghan Trainor?

  And that like snaps you back into your body. And once I calmed down, they were like, I was like, can that happen whenever? And they were like, mm hmm. Wish I didn't say that either.

• 36:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 36:51Meghan Trainor?

  Screwed me for the rest of the day because I was exhausted and I went on live TV and I haven't watched that clip since. But I remember I blacked out on the TV and was just on autopilot. And I was like, don't pass out, don't pass out, don't die, like, don't have a freak out live on TV with Gayle King. And as soon as they were like, done, I sat down on a chair and I lost it. And all the people on Gayle King Show saw me. And they looked at me like I was a crazy person. And they're like, is she okay? And my team looked at me and they're like, we need to stop. I was supposed to go do like eight more interviews, a whole day at work, and they just said, stop. I went back to the hotel room and I literally would run to the bathroom thinking I would have diarrhea. I was like, no, guys, it's cool. I just have the flu.

• 37:36Meghan Trainor?

  And they're like, mm hmm. And I would explain it to people like, it was like the movies, like when a demon takes over my body. And I had no control anymore. And when a doctor tells you it's your own brain, you're like, well, then I'm going to be in a psych ward like this every day. Cause I can't control that. I don't know how to. And then also I overdosed on edibles, which like you can't really do, but I did it. I usually would take, I was self medicating myself with five milligrams of weed with edibles at night. And it really helped in the beginning and it would help me sleep. And one day I ran out of the specific edibles that I took. And I ate like a lollipop that was 25 milligrams. Then I was so high that I forgot I ate that and I ate another one.

• 38:20Meghan Trainor?

  And I usually take five, right? I was up to 50.

• 38:23Jay Shetty?

  In one day.

• 38:24Meghan Trainor?

  50 milligrams in one day. I was doing a puzzle and I was like.

• 38:28Meghan Trainor?

  I'm not breathing like I so I tell people my soul left my body and I said bye bye and I was dry heaving all night and that is very similar to what you feel in a panic attack so going to those places twice my brain was like we've been there and we could take you there wherever whenever we want and so I was really unbalanced my chemicals were off for a long time months trying to figure out like some days would be horrific couldn't get up some and I was I was madly in love my career was great I would tell doctors like I'm not depressed I didn't feel depressed I just sometimes if I like sometimes I'll just feel like I have a migraine for the rest of the day I'd have ice packs on my head I'd have my mom check my temperature was like no I

• 39:13Meghan Trainor?

  just have a flu again this is crazy and then I finally went to a psychiatrist and he explained to me your chemicals are like this and all day long your body is saying fire alarm fire alarm fire to flight run and I was like mm-hmm like I was sitting with him and my back felt like it was on fire I was like see it's crazy it's happening right now it's feel it I think it's really hot he's like no your chemicals are so messed up that your body doesn't know where you're supposed to be your adrenals are on fire so I went on my first ever antidepressants and I used to get complimented like wow you're the only pop star not on antidepressants and I used to be like well

• 39:52Meghan Trainor?

  look at me and now I'm like that's messed up that they said that to me and like it made me judge people and it was horrible and now when I was on when I was finally on the medication I'm on like the lowest dose and after a month or two I was like it's quiet like everything stopped and it was amazing and I like would talk to my psychiatrist of like I only had one panic attack this month and it slowly went down and I it's been like five years now and I haven't had a terrible one since I'll have nights if I'm over exhausted or my I'll say my body's trying to trick me right now and trying to pretend I'm in a panic attack and I know what you doing you

• 40:34Meghan Trainor?

  can't mess with me right now and my husband knows too he knows the drill like it saved my life and I don't know what I would do without those pills And I'm sorry, I'm blabbing, but I

• 40:45Jay Shetty?

  No, you're not at all. This is incre- please, carry on.

• 40:48Meghan Trainor?

  When I was pregnant and I told people I want to get pregnant. So my doctor, I um, they were saying this pill is safe that you're on, but this low dose of Ativan is not safe. Get off of that. So I did get off of that. And when I walked into my doctor appointment, pregnant, like day one pregnant, I was, I brought my medicine and was like, this saved my life. And he was like, oh, you could throw those candies away. And I was like, what? Like, I didn't know what to say. I was so scared. And I was like, it was COVID time, so I couldn't, hadn't had my husband. I was like, what? And I was in shock and I stayed with that doctor for like weeks and just got worse.

• 41:27Meghan Trainor?

  And I cried to everyone of like, he just wants me to throw them away, but they saved my life. And my other doctor said it's totally safe to be on these. So I don't know what to do. And I eventually changed doctors and she was, I had a woman doctor and she was like, that's insane that he said that to you. These are perfectly safe to be on. You're fine. And a happy mom is a happy baby. And I've been trying to tell every pregnant mom or anyone who's going to have a baby and on antidepressants, like you, you can safely stay on them and nothing bad will happen to your baby. And I never had any postpartum, I didn't have any depression while pregnant. And my pregnancy was obnoxious. I had gestational diabetes, but we did it. We crushed it with a good diet. Diet while pregnant. And I was like, what?

• 42:12Jay Shetty?

  So no, no cravings.

• 42:13Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah, but like, it's still like the stigmas in some of the doctors and it's like, and my baby came out C-section because he was sideways. And my baby was in the NICU for five days and all those nurses said, were you on antidepressants? And I'm, I just got sawed open. I'm on drugs, like trying to heal. I feel horrible. I don't get to see my prize that I went through all that bore. And I'm in there trying to look at him in the NICU tank. And they're like, well, it's because you were on antidepressants. That's why he won't wake up. I'm like, what? And I asked all my doctors and they're all like, dude, there's no science that backs that. They're just pointing so they don't get sued. They're just saying, well, It's because you're on antidepressants and that's why.

• 42:57Meghan Trainor?

  And it was the most discouraging thing and I'm writing a book about it because it was, it messed me up. And I still talked to my doctor, my psychiatrist recently because I'm trying to get lower on my antidepressants. In case I want another baby, even though there's no science that backs that that can hurt that baby.

• 43:14Jay Shetty?

  And then what happened after that?

• 43:15Meghan Trainor?

  My doctor's like, I, I got the charts later because Dr. Amen's like, what? Like, show me, show me how they proved that.

• 43:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 43:23Meghan Trainor?

  And all the chart said was, like, he's sleepy, he's not waking up, wakes up on his own time. But it was a C-section, that's just traumatic for a baby to come out, anything can happen. And it wrote, mom, twenty seven, on antidepressants, that was it. And I was like, you know, it's the worst thing you could tell a person who just had a C-section is like, it's your fault that this kid's not awake.

• 43:45Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 43:45Meghan Trainor?

  But I can't wait to have three more kids. But yeah.

• 43:49Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for sharing that and you weren't blabbing at all, it was actually really. No, not at all, honestly, it was so. Thank you for taking us there because I think, you know, it's very easy to gloss over some of the detail, but actually to hear the details, what allows us to really. Empathize in the best way possible, but also just to recognize how much stigma there is, even hearing the statement where you were saying that. Oh, you're the only music artist that's not on these.

• 44:14Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 44:15Jay Shetty?

  And now it's like, are these gonna cause you to have an unhealthy baby?

• 44:18Meghan Trainor?

  They should be.

• 44:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 44:20Meghan Trainor?

  They could be. I have like plenty of people in my family that I'm like, oh, bipolar, undiagnosed, like. For facts and like sometimes they know it and they use booze to help it and I'm like. There's better ways. I take my pill and a half at night, every night and I feel great and I don't have to. Chug a bottle of booze or eat edibles, like there's a way that, a safer way that you could do this. Um, so yeah, those pills helped me, but my whole family that they come from a place that's like, you need medicine?

• 44:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 44:52Meghan Trainor?

  To make you feel better? I'm like, uh huh. And the best is when like a doctor said to me. Well, you have asthma, right? And I was like, mm-hmm. He's like, you have an inhaler. I was like, mm-hmm. Like, why can't you have medicine for your brain?

• 45:04Jay Shetty?

  Totally.

• 45:04Meghan Trainor?

  Period.

• 45:05Jay Shetty?

  What, what do you think it was for you that drew you in that direction of wanting to change your habits? Because like we see with so many musicians, uh, with so many artists as well, it's so easy to go down the other road. And like you're saying, it's not about looking down on those people. It's just, they didn't have a family, but they didn't have the support. But what was it for you? Because obviously, like you're saying, that the majority of a family may not really understand why you need medicine. But you met a psychiatrist, you've been very proactive here.

• 45:31Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 45:32Jay Shetty?

  What made you so convinced that you had to make this change and that you wanted to find this way out? Because it's so easy and natural for you to turn towards alcohol.

• 45:42Meghan Trainor?

  I was.

• 45:43Jay Shetty?

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• 47:17Meghan Trainor?

  Cause for sure spooked and I um I knew something was wrong like I knew my chemicals were off but I didn't know my chemicals are off I was like my body's broken. My brain is broken and I need help and I was scared I was scared I saw me in a psych ward forever for the rest of my life and I was like well I don't want that. I want children. I want a family. I want a career. I want to keep going like finally all my dreams came true and this is happening. No way I'm gonna fight this. So I wanted to fight it but also it really, really helped me. Which is another reason why I talk about all my stuff in case it helps someone is people like Carson but also my older brother Ryan. He used booze and drugs for his anxiety and he's had huge panic attacks that he never told us about.

• 48:01Meghan Trainor?

  Like he lived in our um in our house and in his room, he would, he told me, oh my God, I would. I was pretty sure I was having a heart attack thinking it was the drugs but it'd be like a hangover convinced and he would call it scary Sundays. And I was like this whole time you just have crazy panic disorder but you've been like smothering yourself with booze and drugs. Flying through it. He's like, yeah, stuff it down, fly, eat some drugs, you'll be fine. Like drink your medicine. That's what he was saying. I'm gonna drink my medicine. I'm gonna go to bed. Like he has sleep paralysis. He has the most. His brain's way worse than mine was. So when I would have my panic attacks, I would go to everyone in the house. He lives in my house and I'd be like.

• 48:41Meghan Trainor?

  Something's wrong and he'd go, I've been there. I know what you're feeling. Go to the emergency room, ask for the lowest dose of medicine that you can get. Do not let them give you Xanax and then come home and you're gonna be fine. And having him like my older soldier brother that could get through anything, look at me and be like. I've done this. You're you're okay. Instead of my mom being like, what are you talking about? You don't need a hospital. He'd be like, go. Go to the hospital. They'll tell you you're fine. They'll give you oxygen. You'll come home. You'll be great. And having that like acceptance but also not be alone feeling was like he saved me.

• 49:19Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 49:19Meghan Trainor?

  And that's why I do this podcast with him because he's he's now trying to be sober and in our first episodes of the podcast. He like you can see him freaking out and he's like, I don't get to have my medicine and I and he did it cold turkey. He didn't go to any. AA and nothing. No, no therapy, no help. He did it by himself, which is so dangerous. Don't ever do that. Now we're hearing like he could have had a heart attack in his sleep. I'm like, oh my God, like, yeah, he. He's, I tell him, I'm like, you're, you're on extra time, you're on borrowed time, my guy. But he's my hero.

• 49:52Jay Shetty?

  Very looking forward to meeting you now.

• 49:54Meghan Trainor?

  You're gonna love him. You are gonna love him.

• 49:56Jay Shetty?

  Even more so, yeah. Wow. What, what an incredible story and to have you both go through that.

• 50:01Meghan Trainor?

  And we, we've had like amazing guests like Dr. Drew on our podcast and he loves, he's so funny. He loves celebrity rehab. So he loved Dr. Drew. So when Dr. I've been like, Ryan, you gotta go to therapy. You have demons in here. Like, let's go treat them. That's trauma. He was like, no, you're obnoxious. I'll never do therapy. Dr. Drew came on our podcast and was like, brains heal brains.

• 50:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:21Meghan Trainor?

  You need another brain to heal you.

• 50:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:23Meghan Trainor?

  And he was like, you're absolutely right. Went to trauma, went to trauma therapy that week. I was like, you're right. So whatever you tell him, he'll be like, yes, sir, I will do that. Like.

• 50:32Jay Shetty?

  So you're gonna have to write me a little list.

• 50:33Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah, yeah. Tell him. So.

• 50:36Jay Shetty?

  But it is true. We all need to hear it from different voices, different faces, different brains.

• 50:40Meghan Trainor?

  It can't be his little sister. Go to therapy. No.

• 50:44Jay Shetty?

  But now, but now you're doing that for everyone who's listening and watching us. Like, I, I can't imagine everyone who just heard what you just shared and everyone is watching this. It's like, there is no one who could have heard that not be transformed, like genuinely, everything you say.

• 50:58Meghan Trainor?

  Cause like what Carson did for me is what I'm just trying to do for anyone out there.

• 51:02Jay Shetty?

  Beautiful.

• 51:02Meghan Trainor?

  Cause there's still parents out there that are like mine, that are uneducated and don't know. And they're raising babies like me who didn't know and had that stigma forever.

• 51:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:13Meghan Trainor?

  And I look at my family and I'm like, oh, man, like my grandparents would really needed this, you know, like there was, there was cra- real crazy trauma back then in my family.

• 51:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:23Meghan Trainor?

  And that just goes down the line.

• 51:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And I feel you only saw it on the public figures. So I just watched the Elvis movie that just came out. And then obviously Bohemian Rhapsody about Freddie Mercury a few years ago that came out. And you start studying the stories of all these incredible icons and artists and you see alcohol and you see drugs, you know, and you see that go to a bitter end, you know? And it's, it's painful when your heroes and your inspirations go that way. But now when you see them go the other way, it's.

• 51:50Meghan Trainor?

  It's so, isn't it so cool though, that now it's like the rock stars that were like our heroes, but they died of an overdose. We're like, ugh, we can't do that nowadays. Like health is in right now.

• 52:02Jay Shetty?

  I hope so. We wanna make it more in.

• 52:04Meghan Trainor?

  I hope. I know. I wanna make it more in. Like even body types. So it's like fitness is hot. I'm like. I want to work out and be hot, you know, fit and healthy, not like.

• 52:14Jay Shetty?

  And strong.

• 52:15Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah, I want to be strong. I want muscles. I see muscles on my thighs now and I'm like, oh my God, I'm so hot.

• 52:21Jay Shetty?

  What, what do you think that got you to that place of your, and, and it's so interesting how so much of it is chemical. And I, and I've been thinking about that a lot lately that I know so many people who get into a negative rhetoric in their head where it's like, I'm the worst, I'm, I'm this, I'm that, and it's spirals. And they think there's something wrong, like mentally or psychologically, and there are changes that are needed. But so much of it is chemical. Like I had, I've, I've spoken about this a few times. It sounds so average, but when I heard it from my doctors and my teams, it fascinated me. So I went recently, I was not, probably in the last 12 months, 24 months, I was feeling more tired and there's plenty of reasons for that. We were renting a house during.

• 53:00Meghan Trainor?

  You were hard.

• 53:01Jay Shetty?

  There's that, but we were renting a home during COVID. During the daytime, it was beautiful. And at nighttime, it didn't feel so beautiful. And it was like, there were animals in the floorboards and animals in the walls and like, so you could hear scratching at night and like steps, you know, like it was, it was hard to sleep. And we just rented it during COVID to have a bit more space. And so I was dying to move out and hence we got this place and moved. But during that time, I don't think my sleep quality was good and I always sleep eight hours a night. I'm very, I don't negotiate with my sleep. I sleep 10pm to 6am, very important to me. But, but at that time, even though I was in bed for that long, I wasn't getting good quality sleep.

• 53:39Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 53:40Jay Shetty?

  And so I was, I was feeling exhausted. So I started checking with my doctor and they said, your vitamin D levels are at a 10. Healthy is a hundred and average is 60. And my, my, my doctor said to me and my nutritionist and my health team that I have, they said to me, they said, Jay, we don't know how you're not depressed. And I was like, I'm not depressed at all. I'm absolutely fine. And they're like, but your chemicals in your body show complete. And I was like, that's fascinating to me that sure, because of my meditation and mindfulness, I was able to not be. But you could be depressed just because you don't have enough vitamin D in your body. Like it can be as simple as that.

• 54:12Meghan Trainor?

  Well, I got a dietitian who transformed my life. She helped me healthily lose 60 pounds, which was like one pound a week of.

• 54:22Meghan Trainor?

  Changing my lifestyle.

• 54:23Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 54:24Meghan Trainor?

  But food is poison, you know, like bad foods. I just saw a TikTok where this guy was like, I had anger issues and I was mean and I was in high school and even though I was like a smart kid. I I remember I ate like the burger and the cafeteria food every day.

• 54:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:41Meghan Trainor?

  And no matter how smart I was, I was like, I'm gonna go fight today because I was angry. And when I started eating healthy, I was less angry like.

• 54:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:49Meghan Trainor?

  I have a cousin who has really anger issues, but I also know he eats fast food because my it's like food's expensive and they can't go to Whole Foods like me all the time. And so and there's three of the three kids, so mom's trying to feed all of them. But I know that that food is just feeding his anger and is, you know, so it's super sad watching that, knowing like, oh, my God, the rest of the world, you know?

• 55:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, that that's a challenge, right? It's how can we make food affordable, accessible, healthy, tasty?

• 55:19Meghan Trainor?

  My dietitian, she's like, don't even get me started on like food and in cafeterias though for kids, for children. It's like, how do you expect them to work all day and like have energy?

• 55:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 55:31Meghan Trainor?

  It's like, I would come, I remember now when I would come home from school, nap. Every day, bro, I'd nap and my mom be like, it's dinner, wake up. I'm like, okay, like, no wonder I was like chubby and depressed and sad like.

• 55:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and it's hard again because it's all habits.

• 55:46Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 55:47Jay Shetty?

  I I was saying recently to someone like our biggest crisis is a crisis of habits. So our life is defined by habits.

• 55:53Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 55:53Jay Shetty?

  And we've just adopted a ton of bad habits mentally, physically, emotionally. And now we keep repeating them.

• 55:58Meghan Trainor?

  That's what growing up is, is breaking all these habits. Dietitian's like, you have to, and my therapist is like, you have to rewire your whole brain.

• 56:06Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 56:07Meghan Trainor?

  Everything you knew is wrong. And I'm like, oh, my God. And even my poor mom, like she was even trying to help us like we were that family, we're all chubby and my mom was like, we're gonna do Weight Watchers snacks, but like. Back then, like it's still crap. Like it's still like, what are you eating? And she tried, she tried to get all the low calorie orange juice. And we're like, it's the orange juice is the issue, you know, like, but they tried, they're uneducated. They know. So my mom was just doing her very best, but when I look back, I'm like, oh my God, I was eating poison.

• 56:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I used to eat four chocolate products a day. Like I used to eat a chocolate biscuit.

• 56:46Meghan Trainor?

  I used to eat pieces, pieces every day, bro. What are you talking about?

• 56:49Jay Shetty?

  A chocolate bar, a chocolate yogurt and a chocolate ice cream every single day.

• 56:53Meghan Trainor?

  Were you fat?

• 56:53Jay Shetty?

  Yes. And it was amazing. It was amazing. It was like.

• 56:58Meghan Trainor?

  You know, Boys and Girls Club?

• 57:00Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 57:00Meghan Trainor?

  It's like a place where kids can go after school.

• 57:02Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 57:02Meghan Trainor?

  We had that on Antucket and we had our little snack thing we had. I had Cheez-Its, Reese's, Blue Powerade every day.

• 57:10Jay Shetty?

  Oh my God.

• 57:11Meghan Trainor?

  Horrific. After school, I go eat that and then play.

• 57:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And, and that's what, and it took me ages. My wife had to powerfully train me out of my addiction to chocolate. And I know that sounds so like.

• 57:23Meghan Trainor?

  No, I need to do that to Daryl.

• 57:24Jay Shetty?

  I was literally addicted to sugar.

• 57:26Meghan Trainor?

  He's addicted to sugar.

• 57:27Jay Shetty?

  I was addicted to sugar and my wife had to completely train me out of it. And it's been an amazing journey for me because it sounds like, oh, it's sugar. Who cares? It's like sugars really can get really bad. Yeah. It's like sugars, like the one that everyone gets away with.

• 57:40Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 57:40Jay Shetty?

  Like people, like when someone gets sober from alcohol or drugs, we're like.

• 57:43Meghan Trainor?

  My brother, he's like, I love sugar. I'm like, careful, my guy.

• 57:46Jay Shetty?

  I literally was dependent on sugar for so many years and it, and it took ages to get off of it. And even now I've found, I'm now at the other side, which is really beautiful where now even when my mind still tricks me into wanting really unhealthy food.

• 57:58Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 57:58Jay Shetty?

  When I have it, I actually don't enjoy it as much anymore.

• 58:00Meghan Trainor?

  And you get sick.

• 58:01Jay Shetty?

  Yes. Yeah.

• 58:02Meghan Trainor?

  I notice every time I cheat now, I get ill and I'm like, like when you drink a bunch of booze and you're like, never again. It's like that. And I'm like, oh, this is poison. I forgot. Like.

• 58:11Jay Shetty?

  And you have to remember that never again feeling. Yeah. Yeah. Tell, tell me about, you're, you're in such a, and you've spoken about in this interview already, you're in a healthy relationship now. Uh, you know, and you have been for a long period of time, obviously with Daryl.

• 58:23Meghan Trainor?

  With food and my man.

• 58:24Jay Shetty?

  I was in my, yeah, I was in my, with.

• 58:26Meghan Trainor?

  With love. Yes.

• 58:26Jay Shetty?

  With love. Yeah.

• 58:27Meghan Trainor?

  I won. I got lucky.

• 58:28Jay Shetty?

  And I'm so grateful I got to meet Daryl today as well, cause it's always fun. Like, and yeah, he's amazing. How did you know that that was how you were meant to be treated? Because I think so many people get into a pattern of accepting a certain level of treatment.

• 58:41Meghan Trainor?

  I always, I figured like, because of like relationships I've seen in my family, I'm like, she'll deal with it. And I'll, I'll just train him to be better. And when I met Daryl, he still to this day like opens every door, drives me wherever I need to go because he knows I'm scared to drive, takes care of me. No one's ever taken care of me like that except my parents. And he says, I'll take care of you to this day. And that's when I was like, oh my God, I want to only be with you for the rest of my life. I want to be a hundred and five and die next to you while holding your hand. And it's taught me how to care for someone and take and love them like that. But um, yeah, it was like the chivalry, whatever it's called. It was the,

• 59:24Meghan Trainor?

  it was the kindness and the simple things of opening doors and making sure I was okay. And he came on tour day 11. After day six, when we said, I love you, day 11, I was like, I have to do a tour now. Would you like to come with me? And he was like, well, I got nothing else to do. And he stayed on my bus and did the whole tour with me. And after every show, he caught me offstage. He would carry me to the the little golf cart. And he would help me take my wig off and he massage my feet. Like month one, meeting this person. And I was like, you're gonna take care of me forever. And he went through me when I had vocal surgery, like four months of dating. I had vocal surgery, I couldn't talk, couldn't say I love you back. I was mute for months and he still loved me.

• 1:00:09Meghan Trainor?

  The way he treated me through my pregnancy was insane. Just like, and it makes me like, as much as I tell the world like, hey, be a mental health, ask for help. I also want to say, hey, don't settle, you know, because there's a guy out there that will rub your nasty feet after a two hour show and will worship the ground you walk on. They exist. And I know it's hard in LA to find them, but I found them. And if I can find them, you can find them, you know, like they are real. And it's the people you want to procreate with. Like he never saw himself as a father because his father left their family when he was one years old. So he was like, I'm gonna be a dad. I don't know what a dad is. He saw me and was like, I want babies with you. Like, I want to procreate. I want to make more of us. And I was like, we should make more of us.

• 1:00:55Meghan Trainor?

  I think that's the one they're like, you know, when you know that whole thing is like, oh, I want forever and I want more views. I want to make more views.

• 1:01:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Oh, I love that.

• 1:01:06Meghan Trainor?

  That's how I figured it out.

• 1:01:06Jay Shetty?

  Where did you get to a point where it was like, it sounds like you were in your early years using your body as a way of validation and like all of when or where are you now at in terms of validating yourself? Like, where are you looking for your validation from now? Where is it coming from at this point in time?

• 1:01:24Meghan Trainor?

  I'm still super hard on my body. Like, I've lost all this weight and I still feel exactly the same. I'm still like, ah, I can't wear shorts or I can't wear sleeveless things and and my husband catches me and is and is like, you're being so mean to yourself. Look how gorgeous you are. And it's a thing you have to work on. I have to reprogram my brain to be like, no, I look good today. And the only thing that I saw actually make a difference, which I truthfully don't do, um, is because I gotta do it more because it's so hard. My therapist told me, stand in the mirror naked for five minutes. Put a timer on and just look at yourself. Day one, I was literally shaking because I was like, mm mm. Like, it was already tough for me to love my body.

• 1:02:05Meghan Trainor?

  But after the C-section scar with all the stretch marks, my family's like smothered in stretch marks. Like, it's genetic. So I'm gonna get it. Got it. So the stretch marks go up, the C-section goes across. Now I'm looking at myself like a lawnmower ran over me. Like, I've been hacked. And so, and there's no fixing that. So I was like staring at that, like, oh, and all that trauma that comes with it. But after, and I was just looking at the clock, like, please be done. But day three, when I did it, I was like, you know what? Her thighs are cute. You know, I started complimenting her. And I was like, oh, I see my brain changing already. And if I did it more, I'd probably be better at it. But like our bathroom, we have a giant mirror in it. So when I, when I get naked every day, I see it. And I think that helps.

• 1:02:49Meghan Trainor?

  My mom like avoids mirrors and avoids, she doesn't want to like have my, my father be anywhere near the shower when she's in it. I'm like, oh, my God, I used to shower with Daryl. Like, what? Like, she's very hot. And I think that's what keeps her insecurities stuck there. You know, you have to like, literally. Get naked and start looking at yourself.

• 1:03:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:11Meghan Trainor?

  Cause like, this is our shell, you know?

• 1:03:12Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 1:03:13Meghan Trainor?

  This is our, our body. This is it. This is what we got. So like, let's treat it well.

• 1:03:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And I think that's the idea that if we can't look in the mirror and say, I'm happy with what I see today.

• 1:03:23Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:23Jay Shetty?

  It's really hard to think tomorrow, you're going to wake up and say, I feel really happy with what I see tomorrow. In the sense of even if you've changed, whether you lose weight or gain weight, whatever you're trying to do. If you're not happy with where you are now, it's never going to feel different.

• 1:03:38Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Jay Shetty?

  On the other side.

• 1:03:39Meghan Trainor?

  It's like.

• 1:03:39Jay Shetty?

  Because that's just a repetitive pattern.

• 1:03:41Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah. When people are like, how are you so confident and love yourself? I'm like, ooh, I'm working on it every day.

• 1:03:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:03:46Meghan Trainor?

  I wrote a song called Working on It, which is why our podcast is that.

• 1:03:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Meghan Trainor?

  Cause it's about when you go to compliment and you're like, ew. And someone's like, you look beautiful. You're like, shut up. Ew, I'm disgusting. It's like, whoa, I'm going to work on not doing that and go, thank you.

• 1:03:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:59Meghan Trainor?

  And like, try to believe what they're saying.

• 1:04:02Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:04:02Meghan Trainor?

  They're not saying it. They're not lying.

• 1:04:04Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:04:04Meghan Trainor?

  You know, like, what's the benefit of them being like?

• 1:04:06Jay Shetty?

  When I was a monk, we got trained beautifully in how to receive compliments. It was like a big part of our training.

• 1:04:10Meghan Trainor?

  The hardest thing ever?

• 1:04:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And it was, but it was taught to us so wonderfully. The first thing was always to receive well from the other person. So what you just said, like thanking the other person, because what you're doing is you're rewarding them for noticing something good.

• 1:04:24Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Jay Shetty?

  So you get an opportunity to say, wow, like they're noticing something good. Whether it's in me or not, it doesn't matter for now. For now, it's just, we should really acknowledge someone who decided to compliment you versus criticize you. The second step, the second step was now that you've done that, think about who gave you that quality. Think about how you learned it. Did you get it from your parents?

• 1:04:44Meghan Trainor?

  Oh.

• 1:04:45Jay Shetty?

  Did you get it from your teachers? Who was it in your life that gave you that gift? And now you get to turn that compliment into gratitude and you get to thank that person. So internally, when you, when you receive a thank you, not only do you get to receive it, you now get to thank someone else and, and pass that gratitude on. And it's just this beautiful process of compliments to gratitude, which we know are great for the brain.

• 1:05:06Meghan Trainor?

  It's all good. Yeah.

• 1:05:07Jay Shetty?

  It's all good. And so, yeah, I love that you brought that up. It's really special. I love it.

• 1:05:11Meghan Trainor?

  It's what we're working on.

• 1:05:12Jay Shetty?

  This has been even more than I expected. Yes, it has. This has been.

• 1:05:17Meghan Trainor?

  Thank you.

• 1:05:17Jay Shetty?

  I knew it was going to be fun, but it's like, we've done this beautiful thing where like, we've gone really deep and then you're just hilarious. And then, and then adorable and then really deep and then hilarious. And so I'm like, I'm like, let's even playing with my emotions. But in, in the most beautiful way. Uh, we end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. So there's the rapid fire.

• 1:05:36Meghan Trainor?

  Oh gosh.

• 1:05:37Jay Shetty?

  You have to answer in one word to one sentence maximum.

• 1:05:40Meghan Trainor?

  I'm so bad at that. Okay.

• 1:05:42Jay Shetty?

  You can try. We'll probably go off piece because you're so interesting that I'm gonna be like, oh, tell me more. So yeah, yeah. But anyway, we'll start. All right. Question number one. Uh, what is the number one thing you're working on in your relationship? And what's the number one thing Daryl's working on?

• 1:05:55Meghan Trainor?

  Understanding his feelings.

• 1:05:58Jay Shetty?

  That sounds good.

• 1:05:59Meghan Trainor?

  The boy can feel. He's got a lot of feelings and I'm like, Dr. Phil taught me perception is reality. So even though it seems like he's being irrational.

• 1:06:08Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:06:08Meghan Trainor?

  Cause he is. I have to realize like, oh, he's in that moment right now. And I have to take care of him as if that's real and then pull him out of it. And I always do.

• 1:06:18Jay Shetty?

  I love that. And what's he trying to do for you?

• 1:06:23Meghan Trainor?

  That's like the toughest part for us. Cause I'm so, I'm sorry, I'm using so many words.

• 1:06:27Jay Shetty?

  You're not.

• 1:06:27Meghan Trainor?

  But I'm so Massachusetts, like sack up, bro. Like I'm raised by brothers. Like, why are you so emotional? Why are you crying? And he's like, oh, you know, so.

• 1:06:40Meghan Trainor?

  He's trying to communicate better.

• 1:06:43Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:44Meghan Trainor?

  His feelings to me and trying to, yeah, I guess. Ask him, he'll tell you.

• 1:06:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'll have to ask him.

• 1:06:51Meghan Trainor?

  It's that. It's the very, I'm cold and he's soft.

• 1:06:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:55Meghan Trainor?

  But it works. Man, it works.

• 1:06:58Jay Shetty?

  Question number two, uh, what is your daily routine for your anxiety today?

• 1:07:03Meghan Trainor?

  My husband transatlantic meditations every day. That's not how I say it, but 20 minutes morning and night. I do that sometimes, especially when I need it. Today.

• 1:07:15Meghan Trainor?

  I'm gonna, oh, I have therapy today at 4:00 PM. We love it. And I'm gonna try to work out.

• 1:07:21Jay Shetty?

  I love that. That's beautiful. That's nice and simple. Easy. Yeah, easy. All right. Uh, question number three. What's the best advice you've ever received?

• 1:07:28Meghan Trainor?

  Life will get better if you let it, from my father.

• 1:07:31Jay Shetty?

  Nice. Question number four, what's the worst advice you've ever received?

• 1:07:35Meghan Trainor?

  I mean, this isn't the worst advice. I can't think of anything. But you know what? We got a lot of when we were getting married and when we were having babies, we would ask older couples, like, that's the worst thing to do. We were like, how do you have a marriage so long? And the, the men would say, Son surrender, or just like, keep your head down. And I was like, oh, well, don't do that. And then having babies, they'd be like, well, your life's over now, and now it's theirs. And I was like, that's not true. My life has just begun.

• 1:08:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Meghan Trainor?

  So we hated that advice.

• 1:08:03Jay Shetty?

  Definitely. That's, I'm glad you shared that. It can be really, it can be so-

• 1:08:06Meghan Trainor?

  It's literally opposite.

• 1:08:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's, it can be really, really detrimental.

• 1:08:09Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I, I remember that when I, when I left the monastery and I decided to start doing what I do today. And I was, I was, my, my biggest fear internally was that I wouldn't be able to serve in the way I wanted to serve. And everyone's just like, oh, well, now you can't. You're gonna get a real job. You're gonna get married. Like, you, you're not gonna be able to serve the world anymore. And I was just like, you know, now I look back and I'm like, I'm so glad I didn't accept that.

• 1:08:31Meghan Trainor?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:31Jay Shetty?

  And same with when I got married, everyone's like, oh, you're gonna have less time to do impact and work in the world. And I was like-

• 1:08:36Meghan Trainor?

  You're gonna have a partner now to help you with it.

• 1:08:37Jay Shetty?

  Exactly, yeah. No, I, I'm glad you raised that. All right, fifth and final question. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:08:45Meghan Trainor?

  You cannot bully online.

• 1:08:49Jay Shetty?

  Nice. I actually like that. That's a great law. Yeah, we've never had it.

• 1:08:52Meghan Trainor?

  Comment.

• 1:08:53Jay Shetty?

  We've never had it before.

• 1:08:54Meghan Trainor?

  Imagine if it was all positive comments.

• 1:08:56Jay Shetty?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:56Meghan Trainor?

  My Instagram's pretty positive.

• 1:08:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, same, yeah, same, same.

• 1:08:59Meghan Trainor?

  But I'm like, this is great. When they're like, do you read comments? I'm like, yeah, cuz they're nice sometimes. Like, I need that little comment boost.

• 1:09:07Jay Shetty?

  Everyone, Meghan Trainor, the new album is arriving October 21st, 2022. Very, very pumped to get to know you better, to deepen our relationship.

• 1:09:17Meghan Trainor?

  Let's hang.

• 1:09:17Jay Shetty?

  Deepen our friendship.

• 1:09:18Meghan Trainor?

  Let's meditate.

• 1:09:19Jay Shetty?

  Um, and just, yeah, genuinely so, so in awe of the journey you've been on, the steps you've taken, and how you're passing that on to everyone else. It's really powerful. So thank you so much for doing that.

• 1:09:31Meghan Trainor?

  Thanks, man. Ditto.

• 1:09:32Jay Shetty?

  Love it.

• 1:09:33Meghan Trainor?

  Ditto.

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