Julianne Hough: ON How To Feel Satisfied With Your Life & Create Beautiful Memories Along The Way

On this episode of On Purpose, I sat down with Julianne Hough. She's an American dance actress, singer and Emmy award winning choreographer. How often have you accomplished something great and took no time to stop and celebrate? When we don't celebrate, we forget to build a memory and memories are what our lives are made of. Julianne reminds us of the importance of developing the skill set of reconnecting with yourself, trusting your body & having a creative outlet. Text Jay Shetty 310-997-4177 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 3:10Speaker 01

  When we're so reliant on other people's energy in order to make us feel better, then we're completely dependent constantly. And so it is our responsibility, and I say it in an empowering way of like, yes, I have the choice and I have the responsibility for myself, that I get to create what kind of energy I want to have for myself and put out there. And I'm not dependent or relying upon everyone else's and that it's going to shift mine.

• 3:43Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you. Thank you so much for coming back every single week to listen, to learn, and to grow. I'm grateful for each and every single one of you, and I don't take you for granted at all. Now, you know that my promise to you is to try and connect with guests and bring on guests that I really believe are going to help you find your purpose, live more passionately, live more deeply, and create a life where you get to impact and serve so many people around you. And today's guest is going to share just how to do that in so many incredible experiences that she's had in her life. Today's guest is none other than Julianne Hough.

• 4:27Jay Shetty?

  She's an American dancer, actress, singer, and Emmy Award winner. Choreographer. She's a two-time professional champion of Dancing with the Stars. She also sat on the other side as a judge on America's Got Talent and Dancing with the Stars. Her first leading acting role was in 2011 film remake of Footloose, and she's also known for her work on Rock of Ages, Safe Haven, Heartstrings and Fox's live television presentation of the musical Grease. She will be joining Oprah on the Nine City 2020 Vision Tour, Your Life in Focus. I'm so happy to welcome to the show, Julianne Hough. Julianne, thank you so much for being here.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 5:07Jay Shetty?

  I could have gone on and on about you. So that was like the condensed, that was the condensed version.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  It's kind of fun and crazy to hear that all back because sometimes you just keep going and doing and you forget what you've done. And so sometimes it's a nice little like, oh, actually you did good.

• 5:25Jay Shetty?

  That's exactly my intention. So when I'm reading those introductions, obviously for the audience, I want them to recognize the incredible success, but also just the joy that you brought to so many people. And I'm hoping that for you, when you're hearing that, it's giving you that boost to just recognize like how much you've done. And you're so right that we live in this world where it's always like, what's the next thing?

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 5:45Jay Shetty?

  What's the next accomplishment?

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:47Jay Shetty?

  And you forget to actually even, actually, that's a good place to start.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 5:51Jay Shetty?

  How have you, with all this success that you've experienced year after year? And over, it's been a long career. I mean, you started dancing when you were eight years old.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 5:59Jay Shetty?

  How have you tried to continue to celebrate, honor and value these incredible milestones?

• 6:05Speaker 01

  It's definitely a moment that I have to remind myself to do because I am the type of person that the more creativity, the more I'm doing, the more I want to keep going. And so sometimes I find myself where I will have this unbelievable experience or release a new single or have this premiere. And then the next day I'm on to something else because I'm creating so much all the time. And it's a constant reminder, like, okay, hang on, stay, stay present, stay focused on just like being in the moment and actually celebrating. I think when we don't celebrate, we, we forget to build a memory. And memories are what our lives are made of. So if we have accomplished all these things.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  They're just accomplishments, they're not memories. And so I think, yeah, finding that that time and that space to actually like relish in what you just created is super important.

• 6:59Jay Shetty?

  I love that difference between an accomplishment and a memory.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:02Jay Shetty?

  I think that's awesome. That's so beautiful. I couldn't agree with you more. I feel the same way that one of the biggest challenges we have is that when something goes negative, we kind of think about it for days.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:13Jay Shetty?

  And weeks.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  And we hold on to that.

• 7:14Jay Shetty?

  And we hold on to that. But when something goes really well, like you said, it's almost like, oh, yeah, cool. Like, like, what's the next thing? And so, so that's why we find it so much more easier to have negative memories or negative things that pull us back into our past rather than the positive ones that we celebrate. I, I recently did my show in L.A. and I actually was thinking about this on the way home. So we'd been preparing for this show. We put on this show. It was my first ever live show in L.A. It was a lot of fun. It went really well. All my friends came to support.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Which, congratulations, by the way.

• 7:48Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. No, it was just, it was just a very beautiful experience. But the reason why I'm sharing it is I was in the Uber on the way back home when my driver driving me home in the evening. And I was actually thinking about this. I was actually thinking, you know, I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and I already have a long list of things that I have to get on with anyway.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:02Jay Shetty?

  And I was thinking about this on the way home and I was thinking, when am I gonna get to really honor today and just experience it? And I was thinking about this, thinking about this, thinking about this. And then I get home and my wife threw me a surprise after party here. And so I walk in and all my friends are here, like everyone is here. And I'm just like, and everyone had stayed up, you know, so late to be there. And I was just like, oh, wow. And, and I, I remembered this thing that I, it was my coach when we were growing up. He'd always say that if things are going badly, cry for one night and then move on the next day.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:33Jay Shetty?

  And if things go well, celebrate for one night and then get on with it the next day. And I was just like, I love that. Anyway, so you just reminded me of that.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  No, that's amazing. I mean, that that's sort of my experience in in all these accomplishments is I would win Dancing with the Stars and I would just get on a plane to go to press and and then the next thing would happen. Whereas some of some of my other colleagues that were on the show, they'd have like parades at their home and like people would be celebrating them. And I remember like one year I looked at that and I was like, that's so cool. That is so awesome that they are celebrating it. And I was like, I need to take a page from that book for sure. So yeah, so more recently than not, I I try to stop myself and be like, okay, just like at least take 10 minutes at least, just to like, be like, you did something amazing and you should you should recognize that.

• 9:21Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. Well, I want I want to take a moment to say that beyond all of these accomplishments, even before we met today, I just want to say your energy shines through even the screen on whether it's Instagram or YouTube or when we were DMing and connecting, I was just like, like, your energy just completely breaks through the screen.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Wow, thank you.

• 9:40Jay Shetty?

  In such a beautiful, positive way. And I just want to say that that to me is the greatest accomplishment. Because it's so hard to be able to to spread that much incredible infectious energy through a screen. And so I was so excited to meet you today.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Thank you. I feel like that's the most important thing. It's like you can accomplish so many different things or have these successes, but the energy that's behind it, the encoded energy is what I like to call it. If it's not integral and authentic and totally on purpose, then people feel that and you feel that. And when it feels absolutely just out of pure, out of pureness, like I feel like pure is my word this like last month, I keep using it in in such a like vast array. But when in this like pure expression, that's the that's the energy that people are going to receive and that's why it's infectious. So for a long time, I didn't understand what that meant and I was kind of just doing it.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  And then I realized and I had the awareness of what that encoded energy was behind everything that I do. And that's actually shifted my entire trajectory of my life. And I never want to not feel what that feels like.

• 10:48Jay Shetty?

  Wow, I love that. Sounds like it's such an amazing place. And so today we're gonna, now we're actually gonna start the interview.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  Okay, we'll start now.

• 10:57Jay Shetty?

  I want to know, you come from a huge family.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  I do.

• 10:59Jay Shetty?

  A big family.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, really big.

• 11:00Jay Shetty?

  Is that where this energy started? Like, is that where this kind of came from?

• 11:04Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah. Even before I was born, I mean, my dad on his side of the family, I mean, they would dance and sing. My grandparents, my grandfather on my dad's side, he actually grew up in L.A. and has this story of dancing with Judy Garland when she was shooting The Wizard of Oz. And that was just like his moment of dance. It was like the first time in his life. And then me growing up with them at our like family reunions, my grandpa and my grandma would dance every single day. In fact, up until the day that he died, they danced every single morning. And that was part of their routine and their ritual every morning. And that, to me, I think is one of the most beautiful expressions,

• 11:48Speaker 01

  is that body connection and like activating your life force energy. And when you do that, then you can access your emotional field and all the things that are around you. And that's where the like positive energy comes from. So yes, my grandparents on my dad's side, on my mom's side, we are like, we're like a hurricane because we all come through. The volume is loud, louder and loudest. And when we all get together, it's just, yeah, it's wild, but it's fun.

• 12:16Jay Shetty?

  A beautiful hurricane.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  It's a beautiful hurricane.

• 12:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely, very special. Yeah, that's awesome. Everyone just gets swept away.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Swept away, we get wrapped up in it. Music is like our life. We listen to music, we dance, we connect. And that's where, I think that's where we really created this undying like tie, where even though we might have a lot of drama in our lives, at least it's spoken. Whereas, you know, a lot of families, unfortunately, have swept things under the rug and stuff like that. And so with us, we might not sweep it under the rug and it might be crazy, but at least we talk about it.

• 12:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  And we're able to work through it.

• 12:57Jay Shetty?

  How do you think, and that's a really good point you're bringing up, because especially during like, you know, right now, we're sitting in between holiday season.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:03Jay Shetty?

  And so many people struggle to be around their family or have those tough conversations or those awkward conflicts. How do you think that you've been able to encourage your family and you and each other to feel, like you're saying, sometimes it's not easy.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not easy.

• 13:15Jay Shetty?

  But how do you feel you've all built that comfort to be able to get there? What's it taken?

• 13:19Speaker 01

  I think it's my family has created an environment where...

• 13:25Speaker 01

  We act out of love versus fear and we're not afraid to speak truth. And so we were just together for Thanksgiving and it was magical and beautiful, but also there was some drama. But it was okay because we have created an environment where we feel safe enough to speak what is going on and we are encouraged to do so. So that's always been our life growing up and we are fortunate that way. Whereas a lot of families aren't and the holidays can be really tough. It can be a magical and, you know, spiritual and beautiful experience and it can also be a really hard time for people.

• 14:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. I love that, learning how to speak from truth rather than fear and behave from truth rather than fear and love rather than fear. I think that's such a huge lesson for all of us.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Well, that was one of my biggest lessons, I think, that I learned probably about six years ago was in order to fully be able to give and receive this like pure kind of love. If I'm acting out of fear of like hurting someone or something like that, then I'm really not being integral. And if I'm not, then they're not going to be able to receive the pure love that I actually want to give. And so I always say, I'm saying this out of love.

• 14:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  I'm saying this out of love.

• 14:52Jay Shetty?

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• 17:06Jay Shetty?

  I know we were talking about briefly earlier, we were talking about Ayurveda and all these things.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:09Jay Shetty?

  I don't know, what you've just said, I don't know if you ever came across it, but in the Bhagavad Gita, it's called the modes of material nature. And it said that actions can either be practiced out of mode of ignorance, passion or goodness, and fear sits as an ignorance motivator.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 17:24Jay Shetty?

  And so, yeah, spot on. When you're, when you're acting from a place of ignorance or fear. That's never gonna lead to anything positive. It can't, even if it feels like it does in the moment sometimes.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 17:34Jay Shetty?

  You feel protected, but it's like a fake protection.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  It's fake protection and then it builds up more like layers. And then, and then the truth, you don't even understand what the truth is anymore because you've built up so many layers that you can't even understand if what you're saying is truthful. Because there's so many layers of fear on top of it. So it's a lot of delayering that has to happen to get to that, that authentic, true, you know, pure love.

• 17:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. This is gonna constantly happen, everyone watching. We're like gonna try and go down a track and then we're gonna get lost, but it's gonna be good. I'm bringing it back. At eight years old, you showed the world a hidden talent.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  I did.

• 18:09Jay Shetty?

  Do you remember?

• 18:10Speaker 01

  I don't know. What was it?

• 18:11Jay Shetty?

  No, you have to remember.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  What was my hidden talent?

• 18:14Jay Shetty?

  You don't remember?

• 18:15Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 18:16Jay Shetty?

  Okay. We'll, we'll come back to that.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 18:18Jay Shetty?

  We'll come back to that. What was my hidden talent? We'll let you think about it. We'll think about it.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Oh, I have, I have this thing.

• 18:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Is this what, is this what it is?

• 18:25Jay Shetty?

  Go on.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Also, it's like my oldest song that I know how to do.

• 18:40Jay Shetty?

  Now, now, now you know why I didn't do it. Like, I was just like, how do I?

• 18:43Speaker 01

  We'll come back to that.

• 18:44Jay Shetty?

  I was like, yeah, I was like, how do I do that? Cause I don't even know how, I don't even know how, does, does anyone in the world actually do that?

• 18:50Speaker 01

  I mean, now that I've done it, maybe people can try and show us how to do it.

• 18:54Jay Shetty?

  How did you invent that at eight years old?

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Honestly, my imagination. One thing that was, again, really good about my childhood is like, my mom was just like the most imaginative person and we would just play constantly. And music was always our, our biggest go-to, so I have no idea.

• 19:11Jay Shetty?

  Is that called music?

• 19:12Speaker 01

  This is music. This is like a rap, but like, you know, I have no idea.

• 19:16Jay Shetty?

  It's like baby, a baby rapping with, I don't know. Yeah, it's cool.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I also have this one.

• 19:23Jay Shetty?

  Go on.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Daddy, daddy, I'm stuck in the closet. Get me out of here.

• 19:28Jay Shetty?

  That is so good. Oh my God, that is crazy. Have you ever done a voiceover for it?

• 19:34Speaker 01

  I have not, but that's actually a dream of mine to do that.

• 19:37Jay Shetty?

  Who would you play? Because I literally just saw Frozen 2 the other day.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:41Jay Shetty?

  Have you seen it?

• 19:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 19:42Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Well, this is kind of crazy. Side note, here we go, tangenting again. But so my company, Kinergy, is all based in the elements. And like our guides and our staff and our employees and everything, they went and saw it and they're like, Julianne, Kinergy is Frozen 2. I was like, what are you talking about? They're like, no, seriously, like it literally is all based in the elements and how you connect to ether. And like, that's our Kinergy state. So anyway, we'll get to that. That's a tangent. But, but like, but no, I would love to do a voiceover. That is like my dream to do some sort of, Little Mermaid was my, my dream character growing up where I could like sing and you know.

• 20:22Jay Shetty?

  But what you just did right now was literally so good.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  I don't know if that's like princess material.

• 20:26Jay Shetty?

  I think, I think it's perfect princess material. That's the kind of princess we need. Like, I love it. No, you, yeah, I can see you doing so many. That was amazing, by the way. I'm, I'm still, I want you to do it again. Now that we haven't recorded.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Which one? The, the, the, in the closet one?

• 20:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, in the closet one.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Daddy, daddy, I'm stuck in the closet. Get me out of here.

• 20:47Jay Shetty?

  I just, no idea how you do it. That's amazing. I love it. I love it. Now I have it recorded twice. No, let's talk about Kinergy and let's, let's take that because I'm, like you said, you've been very mysterious.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Yes, we have.

• 21:00Jay Shetty?

  And I'm fascinated by it because of so much of my study and my background, what I get interested in.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:05Jay Shetty?

  But tell us about it. Tell us about what you're trying to build for people. And I think from what you just told me, it sounds like Frozen 2, so you should definitely see it. But yes, go.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  No, I have not seen Frozen 2. I promise this like came to me over the last like two years. But really it spawned off of my own transformational journey of really coming back to myself. And that whole like delayering and shedding and finding my truth. And I realized that one of the best modalities for me specifically was my body and, and movement. And with movement, that's one thing, but then when you visualize and you connect to the elements, that's a whole other thing. And then when you add breath work at the same time and it's this like trifecta, it's movement. Breath and visualization and you like combine the three.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  It's it's like this power source where you can connect to flow in like a really powerful and quick way. For people who maybe can't sit and meditate because the stillness is too hard. Like for me, I need movement in order to clear my mind. And so to surrender my mind. So I surrender my mind to my body and then I go into, you know, that that state. And so with Kinergy, basically I've taken the the modalities of breathwork, visualization and movement and then added in the elements of earth, fire, water, air and ether.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  And it's it's become, yes, it's a method that is fitness and dance related, but really it's more about the transformation that happens and more of the philosophy and how the answers are all within you and you don't have to go outside of yourself because really at the end of the day, it's about, once I can connect to myself, I can then relate and understand the people around me and that's when this happens. And then you see each other for who each other really are. And then you get to experience the world in its most true and pure form, which is love.

• 23:10Jay Shetty?

  I love that. Where can we start practicing?

• 23:13Speaker 01

  Well, we're we're launching with Oprah.

• 23:16Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  In 2020 on her tour. And that was that was one thing that was really different about our modality of how we were going to bring Kinergy to the world. We had different business models. We were going to start as a brick and mortar studio, the sole cycle of dance, right? And then we were like, well, we want to reach more people. Maybe we should do an online platform so we can reach people. And then we we were like, hmm. It's about human connection. It's that experience. In order to feel something fully, you have to experience it. And I'm such an environment person. I walked in here and I was like, whoa. The sensual environment person in me is freaking out right now. This is making me feel really good and safe and calm.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  And so, of course, thank you. And so, we really just want to give the experience to as many people as possible so they can feel it and know that everything that they need is already within them. We just want to give you a couple of little tools and then you can go do it yourself.

• 24:17Jay Shetty?

  I love that. I really hope I'm going to get to come and watch.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  Yes, and experience it, yes.

• 24:21Jay Shetty?

  Because I think you're spot on. I love what you're doing there because I think you're so right. Like, there's a whole section in my book that's coming out next year that I talk about this and it's all about immersive experience.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:34Jay Shetty?

  And just how like this whole model of doing something for five, 10 minutes a day is nice and it's cool, but it's like if you really want to have an experience and honor it and keep it and integrate it and have it heal you, it needs to be immersive. And that can't be done through technology or it can't be done through, what was the other? Like just through bricks and mortar or whatever. It needs to be a created experience, a hub.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  A thousand percent. And I love that you said a created experience because, again, our business model is that like, yes, this might have come through me, but at the end of the day, we all create kenergy together. And that it's an equal opportunity collaborative expression. So when we take the class together, I didn't create this class environment. We all did because our collective energy together is what created this experience and the safety and we work together. So by taking care of yourself first, thank you for taking care of yourself. You get to hold a space for the people around you as well. And then that happens. And there's something magical that happens in the method as well. It's the hero's journey.

• 25:41Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  And so by the time we go through it in the arc, people go through air, which is like the breakthrough moment, you know? And then their eyes are closed. And as they open their eyes, it's like they're like, there's like a little gap in their, their smile. And they're just like smiling and their eyes are there. And they're so still and calm. They're completely grounded and completely expanded at the same time. And it is, I've never experienced anything like it. It's like, I know what my transformation felt like for me to feel free. But then when you see other people feel that, that's, that's like, ah, that's what makes my heart sore, you know? Ah, it's the best.

• 26:18Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. I love that. No, I love that. And, and I'm so glad that what you're saying is so true, that meditation is different for everyone.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:25Jay Shetty?

  And also, I think different types of meditation bring out different things in all of us. I know that a lot of the kirtan that we used to do, I don't know if you've ever been in a kirtan.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  No, I have not.

• 26:34Jay Shetty?

  Oh, okay. All right. Okay, we need to get you over. Okay. Kirtan is probably the, let's think, is the unorganized version of what you just said.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:43Jay Shetty?

  Imagine that all happening extremely organically.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:46Jay Shetty?

  Extremely, almost randomly.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:48Jay Shetty?

  Still synergetically, but, but not as much. Still got intention. It's not, it's not that it's intentionless.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:55Jay Shetty?

  It's just less crafted and created maybe.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Got it, got it.

• 26:58Jay Shetty?

  But I'll have to, we'll have to experience one in India together.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  I would love that.

• 27:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but that sounds beautiful. I can't wait to experience it.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:04Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for sharing that.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 27:06Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for co-creating.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Co-creating. It's like, you know, flowed through.

• 27:10Jay Shetty?

  I know what you mean by that though, because I think we forget that when things are going wrong, like people forget that every experience is co-created. Because if, for example, even if a stand-up comic is doing their show and one person in the audience is heckling or acting badly, it affects everyone's experience.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  It shifts the whole thing.

• 27:27Jay Shetty?

  Exactly. And so in, in the same way as if someone's energetically not connected to what you're... Co-creating, then that's going to affect everyone's experience. I think we forget that.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, a hundred percent does. And, and, and I think that's the biggest thing is that when we're so reliant on other people's energy in order to make us feel better, then we're completely dependent constantly. And so it is our, it is our responsibility. And I, I don't say responsibility because sometimes that word can be taken as pressure. But I, I say it in a like empowering way of like, yes, I have the choice and I have the responsibility for myself, that I get to create what kind of energy I want to have for myself and put out there. And I'm not dependent or relying upon everyone else's and that it's going to shift mine. And so that's really at the core of Kinergy is like how to help people connect to themselves so strongly

• 28:22Speaker 01

  and so, it's so just, I don't know the word for it, but just, that it doesn't matter what's going on around you. You have your bubble of like, this is, this is my space.

• 28:34Jay Shetty?

  I love that.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:36Jay Shetty?

  That's amazing. Can't wait to experience it.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:38Jay Shetty?

  What I love about that so beautifully is now that dance is, like this is dance in healing, transformation, growth. When you started dancing when you were eight years old.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:47Jay Shetty?

  Did you ever imagine it? Was it healing then? And, and what was the hardest thing about dance at eight years old?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, eight was when I really started competing and really taking it into more of a disciplined facet. But I mean, dance has been my, my voice for so long. I mean, you hear me in interviews sometimes. I mean, I'm my worst critic, but sometimes I, I feel like I don't express myself in my language and my vocabulary as well as I do with my body. And so dance has always been my superpower in the sense that it was my language. My body was my language for me to express emotions or experiences that I didn't know how to verbally communicate. And so, yes, I can say the answer is yes.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  It, it gave me so much transformation and healing in the moment that I didn't even know that I had experienced. And When I moved to London when I was 10, there was a lot of, a lot of crazy things that were going on in my world. I left home, I wasn't with my family. I had a very rigorous schedule of like, basically waking up at 6 a.m. and finishing at 11 p.m. every night. And hard, hard work and determination. And if I was sick, it didn't matter, I had to keep going. And so built up a lot of great, you know, work ethic. But at the same time, I couldn't complain, I couldn't express how I felt. It was really difficult. And so I realize now as an adult, if I didn't have my dancing, my anxiety and my depression would have gone through the roof.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  Because I didn't know how to speak. I actually wasn't really given an opportunity to also have a voice. And so my dancing actually shifted and moved the energy within my body for me to feel like I actually could transform that energy that would have therefore been stuck. And so I'm so grateful for my dancing. And yeah, that's why I really believe in the body. We talked about this earlier.

• 30:48Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  You know, your mind is so, so important about how you perceive and your awareness and everything. But your body, if you're not connecting the two, it's like cognitively, I can understand things. But how am I really going to transform the experience and the story and the, the expression of it?

• 31:05Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. And I think everyone, whether it's through dance or some sort of practice, is looking for their voice.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:12Jay Shetty?

  Because I feel like that's when we feel so blocked is when we don't have that outlet of expression, whatever that may be, whether it's singing or, whether it's singing, dancing, meditation, journaling, writing.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  Writing, whatever it is.

• 31:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, whatever it may be. So we're all looking for that. And it's almost like because we're not creatively encouraged when we're young, if it's not something that's pushed or encouraged.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:33Jay Shetty?

  You, you lose the outlet. And I think a lot of people feel that way.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Well, I think about it all the time that babies, I mean, they dance in their high chair. When music comes on, before they learn how to crawl or walk or talk or any of it. And then it's like, When did you decide that you weren't a dancer? Or that you weren't a good dancer? And like when they say, "Oh, I don't dance," or "I'm not a good dancer." Well, when did you decide that you weren't? Because when you were a kid, you knew a baby, you weren't worried if your parents thought you were doing it good or not, you know? You were just free in your body. And then somewhere along the line, either someone said that you weren't good enough or something happened, and you took on this role or this identity that that's not who you are. When in fact, like, we are, our bodies are designed to move.

• 32:20Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:21Jay Shetty?

  I'm gonna have to show you. I don't think you know this. I'm gonna have to show you. My wife still dances like a child and posts on Instagram every single day.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  That is my favorite animal.

• 32:29Jay Shetty?

  I need to show it to you. Like, that is literally her. She's just... And she does it in the house, too. Like, I always say to everyone, it's not just for Instagram. Like, she'll do it from the moment we wake up to when I come back home. And she just bursts out into like a, literally a childlike move.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 32:44Jay Shetty?

  And you're so right. Like, it also just, it's what you're saying is when you see a child do that, it's such contagious energy. Like, you can't help but smile and laugh and let go and cry and like, you know, be happy.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  And then your imagination starts running wild. And that's where I think like our creativity has sometimes been a little dwindled because we've gone into this adult mode of like execution instead of imagination. And like, we were talking about Walt Disney earlier and how like his innovation was just all about creativity and playing. And we've stopped playing. And like, so kinergy is kin, which is like tribe and family, but also kinder, which is like kindergarten and child and wonderment. And then kinetic is movement and then energy, obviously. But that childlike wonderment for me is one of the most like key disciplinaries to focus on and reconnect to when I feel like overwhelmed or something.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  I have to go and play. Have you ever read The Artist's Way?

• 33:43Jay Shetty?

  Yes, of course.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's unbelievable.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Like, for me, I was like, "Oh, my gosh, I gotta go take myself on an artist date."

• 33:49Jay Shetty?

  Highly recommended.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we'll go like fly a kite, something that a kid would do versus a date that like me as 31 would go do.

• 33:57Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes. I completely agree with that. There's a beautiful statement by George Bernard Shaw. He said, "We..."

• 34:05Jay Shetty?

  Don't stop playing because we get old. We get old because we stop playing.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Because we stop playing. I know. So true.

• 34:10Jay Shetty?

  And it's so true. It's so true. I think that's why I'm going to Disney World.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love it.

• 34:16Jay Shetty?

  It's the same reason, like, now that you've helped me articulate that. Because every time everyone's like, Jay, like, I thought you were deep. And I'm like, no, I am deep.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Yo, Walt Disney World is deep.

• 34:26Jay Shetty?

  Deep, yeah.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  That is deep. I mean, Frozen 2, Changing the World, I'm just saying.

• 34:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Or Inside Out, that movie, boom.

• 34:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, when you look at animation movies, sorry, I'm tangential again.

• 34:37Jay Shetty?

  No, do it, do it, do it.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  This is my brain. I go all over the place. But, um, yeah, when you look at those movies, I mean, they're, they're, the messages are so impactful. And like, that's the thing that we encourage our, like, children to see and to experience. But like, what, when are we feeding our minds as adults that way, too? And I mean, you're obviously helping us do that with your podcast and your just work and your impact that you're putting out in the world. And I really believe that there is a shift that's happening and people are more curious and more hungry than they've ever been. And it's such an exciting time. But that's also how I, I, I choose to look at it. It can be a very scary time right now, but I choose to look at it as, wow,

• 35:19Speaker 01

  this is such a time of change and shifting and like, whoa, this is awesome.

• 35:23Jay Shetty?

  A hundred percent. I'm with you on that completely. And, and I think you too, it's like, this is what I love about this, is the collaboration between two people who are doing, I feel we have the same values. I feel we're trying to achieve the same thing for the world. And we're doing it in our own unique ways.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Expression, yes.

• 35:40Jay Shetty?

  And that's what I love, is that we need...

• 35:42Speaker 01

  You don't have to do the same thing.

• 35:43Jay Shetty?

  Totally.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:44Jay Shetty?

  And we need everyone to do their unique thing to help the world.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:48Jay Shetty?

  Because that's the only way.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:49Jay Shetty?

  Because there are going to be people that are going to need movement. There are going to be, I mean, I think everyone needs movement. But there, there's just going to be multiple different types of disciplines.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Modalities of how, yeah, whatever works for you.

• 35:59Jay Shetty?

  Exactly.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  And there's room for everyone to have their own unique creative outlet.

• 36:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

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• 37:34Jay Shetty?

  Tell me about the mastery, though, because what I'm fascinated by with you is that when I hear you speak, and of course with where you are right now in your work, it is very flow state, it is creative, it is expressive. But you mentioned earlier about discipline. And what I'm fascinated by is the balance that exists between having been disciplined and rigorous and focused on an art.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:03Jay Shetty?

  And then the other side of it, which is more like this dynamic expression. Because I think often people get lost in either or.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:11Jay Shetty?

  Like, we get a lot of artists who'll be like, "Oh, no, but I'm just artistic and I'm just expressive and like, I just let it loose." And they're like, "Yeah, great, okay, cool." But maybe that's not scalable. Maybe that's what you were saying earlier. Like, that's maybe not a business model, but that's not strategic. That's not... And then the other side is like, "Okay, I'm so disciplined that I don't even know my feelings anymore and I'm just dancing because I know the move and the choreography."

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 38:31Jay Shetty?

  Tell us, because you're both.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Oof.

• 38:33Jay Shetty?

  You are both.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  It's taken me a long time to figure it out and I'm still figuring it out and I it's an ebb and flow. I get in moments where I'm so business oriented and like execution mode and I tend to be very short in my emails.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  And I'm so bad and and like I'm super short. My my my shadow side tends to go to irritability and like I get it so quickly that I'm like, how do you not get this? So like I have my shadow side for sure. But but I have this like, that's my business brain and it's it's great. And then I'll notice that all of a sudden, I'm like, whoa, I need to go, I need to take a step back and go into my creativity. And you know, there's a big conversation about masculine feminine energy and it's it's I feel like sometimes if you're not fully educated or understand it completely or want to learn about it,

• 39:34Speaker 01

  it just sounds like a gender thing. And obviously, we know that it's it's an energetic thing. But I believe that my male energy is much more execution based, forward thinking, high vibration, like boom, let's go. Whereas my feminine energy is much more like, boom, drop down, more deep, a little bit more tangenty, which is why I think I'm much more in my feminine right now. Where it's it's a lot more like spacious and I can kind of sit in something and not get anything done. And so it's just having that awareness where I'm like, whoa, I'm totally in my creative female, or I'm in my my male masculine like execution mode right now. And having the having the weave, learning how to weave in

• 40:18Speaker 01

  and out is is an art. It's a skill. But it's a dedicated skill. And I think that for a long time, you you're a student in something and then you start doing what you're doing and then you just continue doing what you're doing and then you feel stuck. So my greatest advice of how to balance it is continue to be a student. And be curious. There's a difference, I believe, of being open versus curious. I think when you're open, you're kind of like, cool, I'm open. Prove it to me. Whereas when you're curious, it's like, whoa, I wanna know more. Tell me, tell me, or like, I wanna dive into it. And so it's it's the being open, but being curious as well.

• 41:00Jay Shetty?

  I love that. I love. And this is, I mean, you're you're teaching us by sharing. That's exactly what it means to be a student, like this being able to define these words for yourself.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:10Jay Shetty?

  And differentiate between them.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:12Jay Shetty?

  And knowing when you feel, okay, I'm just being open for being open. Or am I being really curious?

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:17Jay Shetty?

  That self-awareness is is beautiful and so high. Yeah, I love that. You've you've said before, and I'm quoting you, you said before, you hate feeling satisfied.

• 41:30Jay Shetty?

  How did you?

• 41:31Speaker 01

  What year was this?

• 41:33Jay Shetty?

  How did you? How did you shift from that mindset? Because I'm guessing you don't feel that way now.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:38Jay Shetty?

  But I feel like we, and I and I don't think that's, the reason why I'm asking is, I think a lot of people listening or watching right now could potentially identify with that.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  My goodness, I think. I think, okay, so let me go back.

• 41:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  This is my tangent brain. So go back to in England, or even before that, I was born to be a competitor, or not born, sorry, let me rephrase that. I was conditioned to be a competitor. And if I was not winning, I felt like I was losing, even though I was doing great. So if I, you know, was competing in England and I was second place, but I I really had put in the work, it was not good enough. So I had this not good enough mentality pretty much my whole life and a comparison. And when I came out to LA, I did not understand that I had built that conditioning and that that was a nurturing that I had formed for myself.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  So at eighteen, I was a hustler. I was like, boom, let's go, let's do this. And like, not taking no for an answer. I believed, I dreamed big, and I said what I wanted, and it happened like that. I could manifest, it was a whole thing. And And I started having this beautiful career where I was winning Dancing with the Stars, back to back. I got a record deal. I won Best New Female Vocalist, Best New Artist. I had a number one album. I was touring with George Strait and Brad Paisley. I did a movie with Tom Cruise. Like, all these things were just happening and it was incredible. And at 25, I was like, why do I feel so empty? Because it was like, what's next? What's next? What's next? And that was when I went to my first Tony Robbins seminar, which my brother

• 43:23Speaker 01

  told me to go to. And that's where the awareness clicked in. And that was the beginning of my healing journey. So, before being 25, I was never satisfied. And I hated that feeling of satisfaction because I felt like I was dying. Felt like I was literally in like, a sandpit sinking and I was stuck and like, life was over. And so, I had to just keep moving. Now, I'm learning that actually being still and being satisfied, being grateful and present and celebrating, actually gives me a moment to digest, take it in, create

• 44:06Speaker 01

  a beautiful memory, and then move forward. And when that happens, I've, I've almost like, gone through a process enough to now open up more space. Where, it almost just felt like, the only direction I had was forward. And in this like, very small, parallel box. And it was just forward, but I could go really fast. And now, it's like, not being satisfied and, or sorry, being satisfied and actually just like, letting it be. All of a sudden, I have a 360 view.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  To go in any direction.

• 44:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that 360 view is so powerful. Because now you've just opened up the lens, right?

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:47Jay Shetty?

  Rather than just having this narrow corridor to walk down.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:51Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  It's fun.

• 44:52Jay Shetty?

  Wow. Yeah, so much more fun.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:54Jay Shetty?

  But, but it's not...

• 44:57Jay Shetty?

  It wasn't easy.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  No, definitely not. And I still struggle with it today. Oh, yeah, I'm like, I was just in New York and doing press and singing and I got the holiday special coming out, like all these things. And then I took a red eye and this and it feels so good. Like, all this energy feels amazing and momentum. And I'm like, oh, I know I'm gonna burn out in a minute. I better like step back for a second and like,

• 45:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  feel satisfied.

• 45:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. And now you just have that awareness to know that.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:27Jay Shetty?

  And you've kind of got to go over that ledge.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:30Jay Shetty?

  To then rein yourself back in and know that that's gonna happen. And I think that's, to me, that's just how it is. It's just knowing that sense, right? You don't know until, you can be busy and things are growing great.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Know until you know.

• 45:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. You can't, you can't expect. And I think that's the other pressure of like, oh, you're expected to always stay in optimal health and optimal this and optimal that. But it's like, but you can't always because sometimes you will just deep dive into something.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:56Jay Shetty?

  And then realize, okay, now I need to slow down again.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Well, that's, that's where like these nervous breakdowns happen is that like we keep pushing ourselves so much and our bodies are so capable, more capable than we think that like, and our minds are more capable, that we go past actually what we're supposed to. So then we like our adrenals burn out and then we actually just like completely crash. So if you do have that awareness in between it all, and you can go back and forth and like reconnect and then go back out, reconnect, go back out, that's where the weaving and that's the skill set that starts to come into play. Yeah, it's wild.

• 46:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing that. And when, when you're feeling super, when you have been burnt out or disconnected or, you know, feeling that you've, you've run out. What's been your approach in that position? Because I think maybe some people who are listening and watching today may already be there.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:48Jay Shetty?

  If they're not on the verge of it. What's been your thought process when you actually? Burnt out and stuck or feeling like you're stuck?

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Finding whatever modalities work for you, but finding what worked for me to reconnect to myself. And that meant not always feeling happy. I needed to connect to myself to feel the deep amount of sorrow or the pain. And I mean, you know, the prophet, obviously, that book. But the chapter on joy is talking about how you cannot have joy without sorrow. And if you're only expecting to feel in love, the beauty and the this, then you're gonna be wildly disappointed because you're only gonna love this much or you're only gonna shed this amount of tears or laugh this much

• 47:37Speaker 01

  versus the wide capacity and range of emotion that we actually should have as a human experience. And so I think, I think for me, it's like, the idea of having a vast pendulum swing is more beautiful than, than feeling just positive all the time. And that's been my journey in the last couple of years of reconnecting to myself and allowing myself to actually go through it versus the little black dot and going around it and above it. And I'm really skilled at doing that. So I've done it my, like, my whole life. I know how to positively think my way out of situations. I have tools for days. Like, I have so many tools, I'm tooled out. And so, you know what, I actually just have to go through it.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  And that has been my journey of when I am totally burnt out, I have to just reconnect to myself and be like, wow, I feel super disconnected. Or like, literally make sound and be like, ugh, like, this is actually what it feels like to feel like crap. And acknowledge that I don't feel good. And then, when you can actually acknowledge it, then I feel like you can actually move through it quicker. I think that's why I've been really open recently. Like, press is always like, so you're really open about things, why? And I'm like, why not? Because I feel like if I don't talk about it or express it in whatever form that may be, it just sits there longer.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  And it's just another form of suppression. So if I, if I really want to, you know, open up and, and connect back to myself again, so I can keep moving forward and creating, I have to feel the ugly parts too.

• 49:22Jay Shetty?

  A hundred percent. And, and it's like our bodies do that. When you were making those sounds and just saying like, it's almost like sound vomit or like voice vomit. It's just like, if your body doesn't like something that you ate, it gets rid of it. Like, you know, it gets rid of it. But most of us are eating thoughts or feelings

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:38Jay Shetty?

  and not getting rid of it in any way.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  And then it just stacks and stacks and stacks. So you don't even know what the original thought was that made you feel sick or made you feel unworthy or made you feel, you know, scared. So, yeah.

• 49:52Jay Shetty?

  And all of a sudden, you're fighting about something that you don't care about and you're.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Or that's like not even the issue. Yeah. It's just the, it's just the, the Band-Aid on top, you know? Yeah.

• 50:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely. No, and, and I think that I'm happy that you're sharing more with press and being open. A, because I think.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  I am the voice, I am the narrator of my story.

• 50:14Jay Shetty?

  Totally, totally. They can't, you know, they can't change it because it is what it is. And also I think you're going to encourage more people to do the same.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:21Jay Shetty?

  Because I think people will say, oh, if she's doing it, then we should do it too. Rather than always putting this filtered, you know, version through of.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  And I will say, thank you, by the way. Thank you. I will say that maybe in the past, I was a little bit more focused on the perception of who I was versus the, the truth of who I was. So maybe in the past, I would have decided to be open to help people. And that was from the outside in versus the inside out. And now I feel like, no, I, I want to speak my truth so that. I, it's coming from within and from the inside out. And then the bonus is that if people can see themselves in me, then that's awesome.

• 51:02Jay Shetty?

  Yes, that's not the goal.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 51:04Jay Shetty?

  The goal is for yourself, but the natural outcome of that will be that people.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  And then that actually just makes me so happy.

• 51:10Jay Shetty?

  And that's, yeah, that's, that's what service is, right? Like you don't, you're not doing it for that goal. You're not doing it because you want people to be happy or like you or agree with you. But that's going to be a natural byproduct of you living your truth. Yeah, that's awesome. I love that and I'm so happy you're doing that. Thank you.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 51:26Jay Shetty?

  And, and I was going to say that your, um, your new Christmas, uh, All I Want For Christmas Is Love. And it's beautiful. Tell us about how that came up because it's kind of connected to what we're talking about. Where did that originate from?

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Oh my goodness, I mean, between, between that song, my music that I've been writing in the last two years, everything now has a through line. So in the past, I was a singer over here, I was a dancer over here, an actor here, producer here, a business owner here, and they all felt very separate. And it was, they all had different themes and I could be an actor, but I would get a job because they hired me versus what I wanted to do. And so when I actually started creating Kinergy and the transformation that I was going through, all of a sudden, all of my categories that were separate all just became one. And I realized that's my purpose.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  My purpose is to, one, connect back to the artist in me, not the performer, but to, and also to express my truth and, um, help other people find their truth. And so it made everything so much easier. So going back to All I Want For Christmas Is Love, that song represents everything that I stand for. And, and now my decisions are so easy about what I will and won't do. Because if it lines up with my purpose and what I want to put out in the world, then that's, that's a yes. If it doesn't, then that's a no. And it makes things super easy.

• 52:58Jay Shetty?

  It so does.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:59Jay Shetty?

  And that through line takes time, right?

• 53:01Speaker 01

  It does. It takes a lot of time.

• 53:03Jay Shetty?

  It's almost like it couldn't have been there before. It's, it's not like you should have figured it out earlier.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  And also like I could have thought about that in my mind. That's a very easy answer. Yeah, sure, you want to put good things out that are aligned with you. But if I don't feel that inside of me. Then it's just words. So it's experience in life that gets you to that point where you're like, whoa, okay, now I feel it. I'm owning it now.

• 53:27Jay Shetty?

  Hmm, absolutely, absolutely. And that feeling that you're talking about there, that until you feel it, you talk a lot about trusting your body.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:35Jay Shetty?

  And that's a big part of energy as well. It's like trusting your body. Tell us, tell us what that means and what are some ways in which people can start that process of trusting their body?

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:43Jay Shetty?

  Because almost feel like we just, we, we don't even know what that means or we don't even listen to our body. We don't know how, like, the amount of people that I speak to that are not happy with what they're eating or what we were talking earlier, like eating and doing with their body, whatever. Like, tell us how you start that process or steps to start trusting.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I mean, look, like, we have, there's a reason why they call it mind, body, soul, you know? And it's like, we have our mind and we have our body. So people go and work out and they feel better. They get the natural endorphins. They start dosing is what, you know, like the dopamine and oxytocin and serotonin, all that stuff, right? And you get that natural high because you're activating your life force energy. So I would encourage anybody to just move, even if that means like touching your body and waking it up.

• 54:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  And actually being intimate with yourself. It's like, whoa, this is my body. This is me. Hey, welcome. Hello, you're back. And just actually like, Wendy's, our, our skin is our biggest organ of our body. And sometimes we don't even recognize that it's there. So just literally activating and waking up your body. Tai Chi, Qigong, like, I mean, if, the people that do that live until they're like 120, I swear.

• 54:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  And like, they're super active. And so I would just say, anything to actually wake up your life force energy. And that's physical or what you eat, whatever, whatever, again, works for you to make you feel alive in your physical body. And then the magic is when you do have that awareness and that mental health component, where you're, you're becoming a student and you can now start recognizing, whoa, when I do this, all of a sudden I had this insight. And then that's when, that's when the mind and the body start connecting. And that's where you're like, whoa, this is where like, Anything is possible starts like becoming your vocabulary.

• 55:29Jay Shetty?

  Yes, absolutely. I love that. Yeah. And I think that's such practical advice. I was teaching meditation to my genius community, my private coaching community online the other day. And I got everyone to give themselves a scalp massage.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:41Jay Shetty?

  Like for the first time, like even just pressing on their forehead, like their temple. And then this area is, it's one of my favorite things to give myself. And I was just like, everyone was just like, oh, we've never done that before. You know, never been intimate with your own face before. And it sounds so strange, but when you do it, you're like, oh, I actually feel amazing.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 55:59Jay Shetty?

  Just from reacting to trusting that my, it just needs a bit of pressure here, or whatever it may be.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Well, one of my favorite things to do is literally just, I could sit, I could stand. It could take me five minutes, maybe even two. And I just literally like scanned my body and I, and I, you can touch it too. But just listening and being like, where do I feel disconnected? Or like, where do I feel connected? And then finding that place of connection, oh, I feel it in my heart. And then just breathing into it and almost repeating like, I feel connected. I feel connected. I feel connected. And then finding that place of disconnection, be like, oh, I feel disconnected. And like kind of matching with that, like, oh, that's actually the sound that I would be making if I felt disconnected. And then actually then breathing from the connection. And then sending it down to where it feels disconnected.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  And then all of a sudden you create so much space. And now you feel connected in the place that didn't feel connected before. And you didn't have to take drugs to do that. You didn't need someone else to come and help you do that. That all came from you just being still for one second, connecting with your body and just listening.

• 57:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  But that's a hard thing to do if you don't, if you don't have guidance. So again, I can't thank you enough for what you're doing.

• 57:15Jay Shetty?

  Come on, you're teaching us. That was beautiful. That was beautiful. I'm like, that's such a beautiful practice you just shared with us.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  And it's so simple, you know, and it's like, and there's so many modalities. And like little exercises that people can do and. Yeah.

• 57:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, anyone who's listening, watching right now, as soon as you finish listening to this episode, I want you to do what Julianne just did right now. Like, literally, I'm not joking. Like, what she just described so beautifully and wonderfully right now, like, that can make massive shifts. And like she said, you don't need to go anywhere, you don't need to pay for anything, it's free, like, it's right there, your body's right there, teaching you every second of the day, like, you don't need to go anywhere or have anyone come and meet you, like, that's a beautiful practice, thank you.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. One of my favorite times to do it, too, is right when you wake up, because you're in that, like, theta wave state, where you're, like, just waking up, and your, your mind isn't as active. And so if you start connecting, you start your day in a way where you're like, whoa, now my life force energy is activated, and can, can activate all these other energetic fields that are around me. And, and you get to create how you step into the world that day.

• 58:21Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes, absolutely.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  I'm big on body.

• 58:24Jay Shetty?

  Yes. Oh, really?

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Body is my language, for sure.

• 58:28Jay Shetty?

  I love it. No, and like, we're all living in a body, so it doesn't make any sense to not, to not be. Tell us about, I love that. Tell us about some more of your practices or habits.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:37Jay Shetty?

  Either evening or morning or fitness, that you swear by, like, that you don't, you know, that you don't compromise.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:43Jay Shetty?

  Because you just think they're just integral. Because I think, even if there are certain things that not everyone will do or can do, I do think that what you're sharing is super inspiring, and there are a few that people are gonna pick up along the way. So I'd love to hear some.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, of course. So, first thing in the morning, I try not to look at my phone for an hour. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

• 59:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, tell me about it, yeah.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  But, um, that, that's definitely, like, my number one thing.

• 59:09Jay Shetty?

  How have you trained yourself to do that?

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Um, I literally, like, if I have to have an alarm, I'll turn my alarm off, turn my, and like, put it in my drawer. And then I immediately either do my morning pages. I have to listen to my body, because sometimes I'm like, ooh, I wanna go right into my morning pages and just write and flush out. Sometimes I had a dream and I wanna write it out. Or sometimes I'm feeling like, oh, I did not like my sleep. And I'm still feeling what I was feeling last night, or something like that. And so I'll get up first, put a little bit of music on, and I'll do a movement meditation that I do that it's kinergy based, where I move through the elements and visualize going into the earth and the roots and bringing up the fire and connecting to water and then

• 59:52Speaker 01

  air and then like, all of a sudden, I'm like, whoa, okay, I'm activated, here we go. And then, and then I go and do my morning pages. I, um, so I, I do all that in my bedroom first. And then, um, and then I have my moon deck cards that I just got recently that I, that I'll pull a card, card, because it's just fun. Like, that's my, like, my fun imagination, childlike thing that I like to do, and kind of leaving it up to chance of the, the unknown. It's like, I'm doing all this stuff that I'm in control of, but then I like to do something where I feel like, I don't know, show me what today is gonna be. And, and, you know, I take those with a grain of salt in the sense that it's like, hey, if it resonates, awesome. If it's something that I'm like, hmm, interesting, okay, I'll either leave it, or somehow it will come back to me during the day.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  And it's pretty cool. So I like having something that's a little unknown. And then, um, and then usually I go, sorry, I'm taking it through like my whole morning.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Please, I want to. That's out of the fight. You're so sweet. You do not need to apologize. That's what this is for.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  I tend to talk a little. But I, yeah, I, I do like a lukewarm lemon water, uh, just to like flush that out and just like feel like detoxified. And then, um, and then I'll do a workout. Sometimes, sometimes I don't have time for that, especially in the last few months. It's been a very, very busy time. But fortunately, because I have the tools to, um, activate my body, um, I feel like I can, I, I don't have to have my workout every day, otherwise my head will blow up, you know? Whereas my husband, if he doesn't, his head will explode. So, so, you know, we have our certain things, but, um, yeah, that's usually like my morning.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  And then I have certain things that I do if I go into a meeting, or if, um,

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  You do the same stuff.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, so again, it's, it's all kinergy based philosophy, if I can call it that. But, but it's, um, you know, like, I'll activate my, my earth and my fire before I go into like a, a powerful meeting where in the past, I would have felt like I had to be a man, or I had to be in my masculine energy and push. And that's not authentically me. I'm very female. And so when I connect to that, I just wanted to connect a little bit more to my, my power, which is more of my fire and my earth. So I'll do that and go in. Or like our conversation today, I just really wanted to feel just open and see where it went. So I connected more to my water.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  And yeah, let me, allowed me to feel supported. And so, yeah, so I'll do certain things to go into meetings or board meetings, that kind of stuff versus like something like a conversation that's really about connecting with someone. So, yeah, so I'll do certain things like that. And then I'm a big believer in baths because I, I am a water sign, so I love water. That's where like I do a lot of my like meditations and it just, I feel like my creativity spawns from that. And then, and then I try to go to bed early. I'm an early, early to bed and early riser, for sure.

• 1:02:59Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. I love that. What I love about everything you just described is that everything's so intentional and it's reflective and it's thoughtful because I think too many of us are running from one thing to the next thing to the next thing before actually preparing ourselves for whatever it is. I know whenever I'm having a guest on the podcast and we're doing something like this, I'm always, you know, in my morning meditation and prayer, it's very much about how can I help people fall more in love with that person who's coming?

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Jay Shetty?

  And how can I serve that person who's coming and hold space? Like it's, or for me, it's all about just holding space.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Jay Shetty?

  And I find that when I don't do that, or when that habits gets weakened or whatever it may be, that's when all these default patterns of like, oh, I've got to be like this, or I have to ask, or you know, it becomes all about the technique.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Jay Shetty?

  When, when actually you know, it's not really about that. It's so much deeper. So I love that if everyone who's listening or watching right now, I want you to really think about what Julianne's saying. It's not about the specifics of our habits. It's about that she's built up a reflective practice, that you've built up a reflective practice where nothing is just winging it or hoping or default. It's all reflective, thoughtful and intentional, which is amazing.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Thank you. Yeah, I think for a long time I would. I would prepare and it would be more of, I said something earlier about being a performer versus being an artist. So I would prepare as the performer in the past where I would know what I would want to say and I'd have it kind of, you know, bullet pointed out and like I had my structure. And then I would execute that. Whereas now, I prepare my energy, I prepare my being to be present and then I trust now that what will come will be what's right.

• 1:04:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  And that is a hard thing to do.

• 1:04:52Jay Shetty?

  It's so good to hear you say it.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  It's a hard thing to do. And, and I'll be honest, like even coming in here today, because this is so, such a thing that I'm passionate about and just philosophy and helping just put goodness into the world. Like, it's an intimidating thing to come and speak with you because, because my, you know, a little bit of my ego would be like, oh, I hope I say the right things and stuff like that. So I can feel, I can feel my ego or the little anxiety, like, hey, just calm down. And like, in my head, I'm like, shh, you're fine, you know. But then it's, it's about, okay, instead of just trying to ignore it and push through, it's like, okay, you're there. I see you're a little nervous. Like, just breathe into

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  it. Everything's good. And then the more we started talking and getting to know each other, all of a sudden, I was like, I know what I'm talking about, because this is my truth. And then all of a sudden, all of that fear went away.

• 1:05:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I hope I didn't do anything to you.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  No, you were perfect. No, you're perfect. And you created this environment and you held the space for me to, to feel comfortable and safe. And not a lot of people do that. And so I've always relied on myself. So you contributed. We collectively created that. So, yeah.

• 1:06:07Jay Shetty?

  And, and I love what you're just saying, because You're talking about talking to your inner child.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Jay Shetty?

  And so often, you know, it's the inner child that's telling us how we feel. And I feel the same way before I do a podcast. So before you came today, I'm the same way. Like, it's no di-

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  We're all just nervous.

• 1:06:21Jay Shetty?

  We're all nervous. Like, it's no different for me. And for me, the way I've understood that is I'm nervous when I care.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Jay Shetty?

  And so that's been my way of dealing with my nerves of like, not just saying, all right, go away. Like, I'm gonna be really confident about this and blah, blah. It's like, no, it means I care. How beautiful is that? Like, I care and like, okay, I'm gonna be caring. Like, that's my being because I'm like, that's what my inner child's telling me to do. It's my inner child's telling me to care.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:47Jay Shetty?

  And as long as I care, then I'm fine. And I think you're so right that our inner child, just as when we were children, or the way you sometimes see parents talk to children. It was just like, oh, stop, stop feeling that way. Like, like, stop thinking like that.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  How about Mr. Rogers, by the way? Can we just acknowledge-

• 1:07:01Jay Shetty?

  I've not seen it yet, but I know, yeah, I've seen the documentary. I haven't seen the movie.

• 1:07:04Speaker 01

  Both are phenomenal.

• 1:07:05Jay Shetty?

  I haven't seen the movie yet, yeah.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  But you just noticed that he will acknowledge the children in the room before the adults. And he'll talk to them in a way that that little kid feels seen. And like, he's literally doing it to children, but like, we all are children. And so how do we speak to ourselves like that? I don't know. I just, I get so excited. And I, where can I see Mr. Rogers' old, like, clips now? Because I wanna watch them.

• 1:07:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, me too. I think, I, we never grew up in London, definitely. So I didn't even know what it was until the documentary came out. And then I've been wanting to go and see the movie as well, and I haven't seen it yet. And, and, but this is what I'm saying, that you've been very kind and you keep saying how I'm doing stuff. But it's like, I feel like you're doing it through everything you do. And, and I think, and I feel that, I experienced that from before we met. And that's why we've had so many people who are saying, you guys have to connect. Like, you know, we've both had that, and I've been wanting to connect with you for so long. And now that we're finally here, I'm like, oh, this is even better than I thought it was gonna be. Like, you know, and-

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Thank you, Matthew. I mean, I didn't, I didn't know what was gonna be. I was just excited, obviously, a little nervous.

• 1:08:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I had really high expectations, but at the same time, I was just, I'm sitting here with you, and I'm just like, oh, this is exactly like- I just feel what you said at the beginning of this. This human connection is so beautiful. And there's nothing that can replace it. And when two people are nervous about themselves and allow themselves to be and let their inner child connect, like just be that way, then it's great. Except when one person's holding back and the inner child's being held back. And it's kind of like, it's kind of like you're holding the kid back from its jumper.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  Totally, yeah.

• 1:08:39Jay Shetty?

  And then that kid can't go and run over and just give someone a hug because that's all they want to do.

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:08:43Jay Shetty?

  And so, yeah. Wow, this is amazing. I'm learning so much. One thing I wanted to pick up on is you've been both a judge and a dancer in your life. And I feel like today, when I've been hearing you, it's really interesting to see you do that in your own life. Like go from being a dancer to not being a judge in a judgmental way.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  But like a student versus a teacher or yeah.

• 1:09:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, tell us about the role that you've actually played, like on America's Got Talent and been there, but versus how you play that role for yourself and for others in your life.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. I just had an experience recently. As my companies are growing, I'm hiring more people and I'm not the youngest person in the room anymore, which is so weird, but actually really exciting. I was with my assistant and a videographer that we just hired and one's 23 and 22. And I'm just, I'm just staring at them like, I am so excited for you and your life. Like, I can't wait to watch what you do. But also, I feel so honored that I get to be a leader or a mentor for you. And I don't take that lightly. And I've had so many incredible mentors in my life, ones that I didn't even realize were my mentors

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  and some that I've sought after. And my gratitude to them for being so generous just has guided me into wanting to be that as well for these new people that I'm hiring and that they're gonna add so much value in their own unique way. And so, I think for me, because I've been on both sides, and I will continue, I'll always be a student. And then I love that leader position, I really do. I think there's something so, so.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Also just profound in the shifting of the paradigm of the workplace of it's not about one leader and control and it is about the equal opportunity and collaboration. So to be to be really conscious of how I'm leading, not just for my company, but for then when they leave and go on and do things that that's what they're going to shift and take with them like that's so exciting. And so, yeah, so as a, sorry, I go all over the place.

• 1:11:08Jay Shetty?

  I love it.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  I get so excited.

• 1:11:09Jay Shetty?

  That's the fun of podcasts. I'm happy that we're having a real conversation.

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  But yeah, so like as a student, I'm, I'm just so hungry and I'm so curious to learn more and then, and then I just want to share it. That's the thing. It's like, I don't want to hold this for me to, to, to beat you. Like I want to receive this information that so I can share it with you and we can, we can have these conversations and geek out.

• 1:11:39Jay Shetty?

  Exactly. Yeah. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. What, what, seeing as you've got so many young people on your team, so many people are listening, people of all ages listen to our podcast. What are your, like, if you had to say like, these are three things that you wish you knew when you were starting out or when you were building and growing, what would those three things be and what would you want them, what would you want people to hear now? Whichever journey they're starting, no matter what age they are, we're all starting.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, we are. Yeah. I mean, I really do believe that this, because this is my, my mission and my, my purpose in the world, I feel like I actually have it pretty clear, which is connect to yourself. Trust yourself. Do, do what it takes for you to, to protect what's important to you. And when you, whether that is your hobbies, so that you stay creative and fun and fulfilled, or, or that you work out, whatever it is, like protect what's important to you.

• 1:12:39Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  So self, self first, a hundred percent. And then, and then service, and that is connection and community and finding your people that are like-minded and, you know, sometimes you have to work for people that aren't like-minded and sometimes you don't. And that's where trusting yourself, and that's why that I believe is the number one thing that you have to do before you can go to number two.

• 1:13:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  Um, is that you know what is good for you. Nobody else knows what's good for you. So if you trust and you say, I don't want to work for this person because this is not integral to what I believe, then you will make that choice and you will spend less time being like, dang it, I've been stuck in this position for a long time. And doors will open in a way because you have stayed true to who you are. So that's two. And then the third is absolute contribution to the world. So I think for the last 30 years, I have been more in the egocentric sort of transformation of really finding myself

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  and who I am and that, that number one spot of like connection to self. Now I'm in this like community, like coming out a little bit and like finding my people and like building that. And as we do that, we'll move in hopefully to number three, which is contributing or contribution to the world and what we can offer with no expectation. So it's the self, others, world mentality.

• 1:14:20Jay Shetty?

  I love it. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. Thank you, Julian. You're amazing.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  You're amazing.

• 1:14:26Jay Shetty?

  No, you're awesome. I love that. It's so beautiful hearing you. And we are so aligned.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Jay Shetty?

  So I'm so excited to figure out more incredible ways to serve together and contribute together and, and genuinely, but we end every interview with a final five. So these are final five rapid fire questions. So you have to answer them in one word.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:14:46Jay Shetty?

  To one sentence maximum. It's allowed to go off tangent if I choose for it to, which I may because you're fascinating. So, okay. First question, what's the thing you're most excited about right now?

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  Oprah 2020.

• 1:14:58Jay Shetty?

  Okay. I'm very excited for that as well. I definitely want to come in one.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:01Jay Shetty?

  Okay. Second question, what's a lesson you find it hard to teach others?

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  Acceptance?

• 1:15:12Jay Shetty?

  Ah, yeah, that's a hard one to swallow.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, of self and others.

• 1:15:16Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. Great answer. Third question, what's the one question you ask yourself the most?

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  How can I create more?

• 1:15:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a great question. I love that.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  How can I create more?

• 1:15:28Jay Shetty?

  Fourth question, how do you keep your inner child alive?

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  I play and that's, you know, through dancing and singing and anything that's a little dangerous.

• 1:15:38Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Like, I like risks.

• 1:15:40Jay Shetty?

  Okay, let's go into this risk thing. I'm expanding this whole question. Where does that, what's the biggest risk you have not yet taken?

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  The biggest risk that I have not yet taken, whoa.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  I have this idea that my old identity was this dream right here, which was to be a movie star and a pop singer and all these different things, right? And that dream has evolved dramatically into, into business owner, producer, all those things. But I'm still holding on to this pretty tightly. And, and what I've learned recently, but I still have not let go. This is why this is a big risk for me. It might not look like it from the outside. And this is totally a different risk than like jumping off cliffs. But is actually to let that go.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  And actually realize that I'm still singing and I'm still acting and I'm still doing the things that was the dream, but I'm holding on to the old idea of it. And it's limiting me from actually like fully going there. So like, that's what I'm working on right now.

• 1:16:58Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for sharing that.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:59Jay Shetty?

  Thanks.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  But that's a big risk because it's like, I have to let that go.

• 1:17:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, totally. Especially if you've worked your whole life for something that is vision is the thing. Yeah, we can definitely talk about that offline. I'm excited, I'm excited. And fifth and final question, if you could give the world, I think I know what the answer is, but I have to ask it. If you could give the world one practice, one habit that you'd want them to do every single day, what would it be?

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  Well, I'm gonna have to say it's energy.

• 1:17:27Jay Shetty?

  And how are they gonna experience it?

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  So first they'll experience it on tour with Oprah and then we'll have a little platform for them to experience certain modalities, not the full signature method, until we start doing our pop-ups in March.

• 1:17:41Jay Shetty?

  Amazing, so exciting. Thank you so much for coming on the show, thank you, honestly, this has been so beautiful. And it's been so nice to learn about you in this way and just get to know each other more and share that with everyone else. And I know that there have been so many times in this podcast that I was, you were helping me reflect and think and learn so much through you. So I know that everyone who's listening or watching right now is gonna gain so much. So, thank you.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me on this, on your show, your podcast, just your life. I feel very blessed, thank you.

• 1:18:12Jay Shetty?

  You're the best, thank you so much, honestly. Thank you, awesome, great. Thank you everyone for listening and watching. I'd love for you to share the wisdom that you took away, the insights that you learned, any of the practices, I mean, there's so much. I would recommend that you go back and listen to this one again and re-listen to it and make notes and write down what were some of the areas that you wanna practice in your own life. Love for you to start practicing those and come back and tell us on Instagram as well. So make sure you tag us on Twitter, on Instagram and all the platforms so that we can see what you're learning and what you're growing and what you're taking away. Thank you so much for listening and watching, as always, so grateful to each and every single one of you and thank you to Julianne for coming on and sharing so vulnerably and openly as well. Thanks everyone.

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