Pod Insights Office Ladies Second Drink: Employee Transfer About this episode This week we’re breaking down Employee Transfer. When David Wallace finds out Michael and Holly are dating, he transfers Holly to the Nashua branch. Meanwhile Pam attempts to pull a prank on Jim with his brothers, and Dwight pushes Andy’s Cornell buttons. Writer Anthony Q. Farrell sends in clips sharing what it was like to write this big episode. The ladies pitch a salad dressing, Angela gives a Halloween costume breakdown and Jenna reconnects with Tug Corker, an actor who played one of Jim’s brothers. This episode is like a highway, you’re gonna wanna ride it all night long!
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0:01 Speaker 00 Hello and welcome to your second drink of employee transfer. This is the episode where Michael and Daryl and Holly drive to Nashua and Pam goes out to lunch with Jim and his brothers. We got some really great insider tidbits from the writer of this episode, Anthony Farrell, and from actor Tug Corker. And Angela, you do a very excellent breakdown of Halloween costumes from the cold open because we had our little Halloween cold open in this one.
0:27 Speaker 01 I mean, I love them all. The work that went into that moment. And you guys wrote in and told us your favorite employee transfer moments and almost everyone mentioned the same scene.
0:38 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
0:39 Speaker 01 Brianna E. from Illinois, Tanish from India, and Kelly from Sterling said, "My favorite scene in this episode, and honestly, one of my all-time favorite scenes is when Holly, Michael, and Daryl are in the car and Holly starts crying and Michael asks Daryl if he touched her." It hits me every time. Daryl's reaction is the best.
1:00 Speaker 00 I mean, all of the scenes of them driving are so great. And there's that classic blooper that plays too where the, like, the process car driver that the truck was hitched to starts to drive away before they're ready and they all start laughing. I know the three of them had the best time in that car. It's such good stuff.
1:22 Speaker 01 It's such good stuff. And, you know, I look back on our show and there's so many people who I thought deserved an Emmy. And Craig Robinson is one of them. All of his reactions when Michael and Holly are having really personal conversations and he's stuck right there in a three-seat truck.
1:39 Speaker 00 Yes.
1:40 Speaker 01 Oh, brilliant acting.
1:42 Speaker 00 And then we also got a note from Tayus C. from Brazil and Nicole S. from Hagerstown, Maryland, who said that they love an extended scene from the Peacock superfan version where Daryl talks to Michael about cow surfing. It's pretty amazing. Let me set it up for you. Holly, Michael, and Daryl, they're on the road. Holly has like one of those cat's cradles. You know how you do the string in your fingers?
2:09 Speaker 01 On your fingers and you make the pattern?
2:10 Speaker 00 Yes. And her and Michael, they're kind of laughing about it. They're kind of being in their own world. And Daryl's like, "Am I on a road trip alone or are we all three on a road trip?" But here's what he tells Michael about cows. Let's hear it.
2:23 Speaker 02 Am I grabbing this one?
2:24 Speaker 01 No, that's not what you're grabbing.
2:28 Speaker 02 Okay.
2:29 Speaker 03 Hey, y'all not gonna be playing these little private games, are we?
2:32 Speaker 02 Sorry, Daryl.
2:33 Speaker 03 Same drive as Miss Daisy, you know. You gotta include me in the conversation.
2:37 Speaker 02 Fair enough.
2:38 Speaker 03 If you don't mind.
2:38 Speaker 02 Okay, okay. What kind of car games do you play in the hood?
2:44 Speaker 03 I got a game. Cow surfing.
2:48 Speaker 02 Cow surfing?
2:49 Speaker 03 It's about a cow, last person to say Jackson Five has to get on his back and ride it.
2:54 Speaker 02 Really? There even cows where you grew up?
2:56 Speaker 03 Everybody got a government cow.
2:59 Speaker 02 Cow surfing. Okay, here we go. There's a cow.
3:02 Speaker 03 Jackson Five.
3:02 Speaker 02 Joe! Shoot! Okay. All right, all right. Pull it over. Here we go.
3:08 Speaker 03 Here we go. Go get it, Mike.
3:10 Speaker 02 I'm gonna do it.
3:12 Speaker 03 Michael, it's not a real game. Then why did you say Jackson Five?
3:16 Speaker 02 To make my point. Daryl.
3:20 Speaker 03 All right, I made it.
3:22 Speaker 02 What? Why?
3:24 Speaker 03 Because I wanted you to like me.
3:26 Speaker 02 I do.
3:29 Speaker 02 Hey, come on.
3:32 Speaker 03 Okay.
3:36 Speaker 02 Jackson Five.
3:38 Speaker 00 So, I just love this whole dynamic. It just brings out some of my favorite, like, little character nuanced relationships of all these people of just how, like, Holly is willing to be just as silly with Michael, but also she's not as gullible. You know? And so she has to be like Michael.
3:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, she's like, "Michael, no, honey."
4:00 Speaker 00 And then Michael is always asking Daryl about life in the hood, and then Daryl makes stuff up. And Michael believes it.
4:06 Speaker 01 Right.
4:07 Speaker 00 I just love all of it.
4:08 Speaker 01 I would have watched more of them in a car together, the three of them.
4:11 Speaker 00 Yeah.
4:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:12 Speaker 00 I'd watch a whole thirty minutes of that.
4:14 Speaker 01 Me too.
4:16 Speaker 00 All right, well, everybody, thanks again for writing in your favorite moments. We love hearing them. You can submit them at office ladies dot com over at our second drinks folder. But now it's time for our second drink of employee transfer.
4:32 Speaker 00 I'm Jenna Fisher.
4:33 Speaker 01 And I'm Angela Kinsey.
4:34 Speaker 00 We were on The Office together.
4:36 Speaker 01 And we're best friends.
4:37 Speaker 00 And now we're doing the ultimate Office rewatch podcast just for you.
4:41 Speaker 01 Each week, we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.
4:48 Speaker 00 We're the Office ladies.
4:53 Speaker 01 Da na na na na, da na na na na. Oh, Michael.
4:59 Speaker 00 Michael.
5:00 Speaker 01 Lessons heart. You guys, today it's employee transfer.
5:05 Speaker 00 It is season five, episode six, written by Anthony Farrell and directed by Dave Rogers. We have lots to say.
5:13 Speaker 01 There was a really good DVD commentary.
5:16 Speaker 00 I didn't do any deep dives, though.
5:18 Speaker 01 What?
5:18 Speaker 00 I'm sorry, in advance for anyone who likes them, and you're welcome to the people who hate them.
5:25 Speaker 01 I might need a minute. No deep dives.
5:27 Speaker 00 I have a summary.
5:28 Speaker 01 I know you have a summary and fast facts, but we also reached out to a ton of people. So we have lots of good trivia.
5:33 Speaker 00 We did. That is very true. I will give you my summary.
5:37 Speaker 01 Do it.
5:38 Speaker 00 Pam is embarrassed when no one else at corporate wears a costume on Halloween.
5:43 Speaker 01 That is the worst.
5:45 Speaker 00 So funny. It was so funny to do, and it gets me every time. Holly and Michael deal with Holly's transfer to the Nashua branch. Remember when David Wallace last week saw them kissing after the auction?
6:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:02 Speaker 00 Yeah.
6:02 Speaker 01 He was like, I'm not having another Jan and Michael on my hands.
6:05 Speaker 00 No, no depositions.
6:07 Speaker 01 Not on my watch.
6:08 Speaker 00 No. Also, Dwight tries to get under Andy's skin by applying to Cornell.
6:13 Speaker 01 I love that storyline.
6:15 Speaker 00 Same. And finally, Pam is going to team up with Jim's brothers to play a prank on Jim.
6:22 Speaker 01 Telling you, those Halberts and the pranks.
6:24 Speaker 00 You know how I feel about pranks.
6:26 Speaker 01 I know how you feel about them in real life.
6:28 Speaker 00 The same as how I feel about tickling.
6:30 Speaker 01 I know, but Pam is like, sign me up. Let's prank away.
6:32 Speaker 00 I know Pam loves a prank. That's why Pam married Jim.
6:37 Speaker 01 That's right.
6:37 Speaker 00 Jenna would not marry Jim.
6:39 Speaker 01 No.
6:39 Speaker 00 Because there'd be too much pranking.
6:43 Speaker 00 All right. Fast fact number one. New writer alert. Anthony Farrell.
6:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:50 Speaker 00 Anthony was with us for season five. He is a writer and a comedian. This was the first episode that he wrote for the show, but I didn't know this till I looked it up. The first thing he wrote was actually the Kevin's Loan webisodes.
7:04 Speaker 01 That's right. He wrote a series of webisodes and some of our writers got to break off and do that. I would have loved to done that. I would have loved to written a webisode.
7:12 Speaker 00 I feel like you had a lot of freedom on the webisodes.
7:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, you did.
7:16 Speaker 00 They were pretty fun. Which reminds me, we should break down the webisodes sometime.
7:21 Speaker 01 I mean, you don't even have to make it into a question. We definitely should. The accountants, the webisodes want an Emmy.
7:27 Speaker 00 An Emmy. I'm so jealous that you have an actual Emmy.
7:30 Speaker 01 I know, lady.
7:31 Speaker 00 In your house.
7:32 Speaker 01 I know. It's very pointy.
7:34 Speaker 00 Yeah, those wings are pointy.
7:36 Speaker 01 It's pointy.
7:37 Speaker 00 Angela, do you want to share that we got in touch with Anthony?
7:40 Speaker 01 Yes, we were emailing with Anthony. We had the wrong email. Erin Schur to the rescue.
7:45 Speaker 00 Thank you, Erin.
7:46 Speaker 01 Thank you, Erin. Got us in touch. It was so great to reconnect with him. He and his family are back in Toronto where he's from and they're doing awesome. He shared with me that he is the showrunner for a show called The Parker Andersons slash Amelia Parker. And it's actually two shows about the same characters from two different perspectives.
8:05 Speaker 00 I love that. It's so cool.
8:07 Speaker 01 He shared a lot of stuff with us. We're going to sprinkle it through the episode, but one of the things he said was, before he got the office, he was a comedian, but he still needed that day job. And he was working at Countrywide Home Loans. And he was so excited when he got the job as writer on the office because it meant he could quit Countrywide Home Loans.
8:27 Speaker 00 He quit like the day before he started in the writers' room, right?
8:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was working.
8:32 Speaker 00 Something crazy.
8:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was working at Countrywide Home Loans. And then literally like the next day was like, I'm going to go right now on a TV show. But all of that experience paid off because he was often called on in the writers' room to pitch like those very minutia office space storylines. And he sent us in audio clips. We'll share those and some other trivia he gave us.
8:53 Speaker 00 It's interesting because actually not a lot of our writers had real office work experience. So he was a find. This was awesome.
9:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:01 Speaker 00 To have him in there.
9:02 Speaker 01 Great perspective.
9:04 Speaker 00 All right. Fast fact number two, new director alert.
9:08 Speaker 01 Yes, our very own Dave Rogers.
9:11 Speaker 00 Our editor.
9:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:13 Speaker 00 If you guys haven't listened to his extended interview in our revisited episode, you should check it out because he is an amazing person and knows so much about the show.
9:21 Speaker 01 I dare say, I don't know if anyone else knows the show as well as him.
9:25 Speaker 00 You should dare to say that.
9:27 Speaker 01 I dare say it then.
9:27 Speaker 00 Say it.
9:28 Speaker 01 I dare say it.
9:29 Speaker 00 She said it.
9:30 Speaker 01 I said it.
9:30 Speaker 00 We were also able to get in touch with Dave. He shared with me that he was so nervous to direct, very excited, but he had a ton of anxiety. He said he had a panic attack.
9:42 Speaker 01 Oh.
9:43 Speaker 00 The night before filming, but he just pushed through. I was really curious like what the most challenging thing was coming from editing and then directing.
9:53 Speaker 01 Oh, that's a good question.
9:54 Speaker 00 He said the toughest thing about this episode was that there were so many locations. There were these multiple storylines. Michael had this huge emotional journey to go on.
10:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, and a physical journey.
10:06 Speaker 00 Yes. He said that the most challenging thing for him was just the pace of shooting. And he said it's like, there's one thing, if you have a ton of scenes in the bullpen and you have to make your day, but it's a whole other thing if after you finish a scene, you have to pick up the entire crew and all the gear and move to another place and reset up because that eats up so much of your on camera shoot time.
10:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:32 Speaker 00 But he did feel that coming from editing gave him an advantage because he just knew inherently the kind of stuff that got used on the show. He had watched so many directors do shots that were just never going to make it in.
10:46 Speaker 01 Right.
10:47 Speaker 00 So he said he was able to be really, really efficient. And he got to edit this episode.
10:52 Speaker 01 Oh, that's great. Cause how hard would it be as an editor to then direct and then give it away?
10:57 Speaker 00 I know, right?
10:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, I would think.
10:59 Speaker 00 He said that Dean Holland assembled a few scenes and then Dave took over and he did a full assembly. He did like a director's cut and he said not much changed.
11:09 Speaker 01 I doubt it.
11:10 Speaker 00 And he was really, really proud that basically it was his director's cut that went to air.
11:15 Speaker 01 Nice.
11:16 Speaker 00 Well, I have more stuff from Dave too. So we can share that. My fast fact number three is fun facts about Nashua.
11:24 Speaker 01 Let's hear them.
11:25 Speaker 00 I mean, Holly has to go live in Nashua. Don't we want to know more about it?
11:29 Speaker 01 I do.
11:30 Speaker 00 Good. I'm gonna tell you.
11:32 Speaker 01 Okay.
11:33 Speaker 00 Holly is lucky because Nashua was named the best place to live in America two times in an annual survey by Money Magazine, and it is the only city to ever win that ranking twice.
11:46 Speaker 01 Holy crap, Nashua.
11:48 Speaker 00 It was in 1987 and 1998.
11:51 Speaker 01 Going strong at the end of the 90s.
11:53 Speaker 00 Really?
11:54 Speaker 01 What else you got?
11:55 Speaker 00 Russian dressing.
11:56 Speaker 01 Originated in Nashua?
11:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, the salad dressing, Russian dressing. No.
12:01 Speaker 01 What? You said you didn't have any deep dives. You were fooling. This is a mini deep dive on Nashua.
12:07 Speaker 00 Okay, you're right. It kind of is. And also on Russian dressing, it was created by a grocer named James Colburn. He started mixing it up. It looks like around 1910.
12:18 Speaker 01 Okay.
12:19 Speaker 00 And he started selling it at his grocery store under the name Colburn's Mayonnaise Salad Dressing.
12:25 Speaker 01 Well, that's not a catchy title, so I can see why they had to zhuzh it up.
12:29 Speaker 00 Soon he started manufacturing it on a bigger scale and shipping it around to other places. And he got so rich that he was able to retire.
12:38 Speaker 01 Whoa.
12:40 Speaker 00 In 1924.
12:41 Speaker 01 Wow.
12:42 Speaker 00 So just 14 years of selling the salad dressing and he was like, peace out.
12:47 Speaker 01 Should we make a salad dressing? What's our salad dressing?
12:50 Speaker 00 What would be in it? What do you like in a salad dressing, lady?
12:54 Speaker 01 You had me at mayonnaise.
12:56 Speaker 00 Okay, so we'll do some kind of mayo based salad dressing.
13:01 Speaker 01 I also like lemon. Do those mix? I don't know.
13:04 Speaker 00 I don't know, because I was gonna say maybe like a spicy mustard.
13:07 Speaker 01 Oh.
13:08 Speaker 00 Because I know they do a honey mustard salad dressing, but has anyone paired a spicy mustard with a mayo yet?
13:14 Speaker 01 Probably.
13:14 Speaker 00 We need to cut this out. We need to cut this out because we're on to something. And we'll never do it, and someone else will, and then we'll be mad for the rest of our lives.
13:23 Speaker 01 Office ladies, but we need to give it a really long, clunky name. Office Ladies Creamy Mayonnaise Spicy Mustard Delight.
13:31 Speaker 00 Yes. And then later-
13:33 Speaker 01 Delight's gotta go on the end. I don't care what it is.
13:35 Speaker 00 Later, we'll call it like Dutch dressing. We'll just pick a country. Denmark dressing.
13:40 Speaker 01 We'll just pick a random country?
13:42 Speaker 00 Pick a country.
13:42 Speaker 01 Okay.
13:43 Speaker 00 This is the formula.
13:44 Speaker 01 Okay.
13:45 Speaker 00 And then we'll retire in 14 years.
13:47 Speaker 01 Okay.
13:48 Speaker 00 All right. My final fun fact about Nashua is also about Amy Ryan, her character in Gone Baby Gone.
13:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:56 Speaker 00 She is being interrogated.
13:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:59 Speaker 00 About a possible drug deal.
14:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:02 Speaker 00 And she admits that she did, in fact, make a drug run to Nashua.
14:07 Speaker 01 No.
14:08 Speaker 00 And she made $150,000 on this drug run.
14:11 Speaker 01 Amy, what is it? All your roles lead back to Nashua?
14:14 Speaker 00 I don't know.
14:15 Speaker 01 Love it. I now need to Google Nashua.
14:18 Speaker 00 Why? I already told you everything you need to know. There's only three things to know about Nashua, and I've told you what they are.
14:23 Speaker 01 Well, I need to Google image Nashua.
14:25 Speaker 00 It's really cute.
14:26 Speaker 01 I'm a big fan of the Google Image button, guys. The button. Like, it's an actual button on my computer. I would love it if it was a button on my computer. Less clicking.
14:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
14:38 Speaker 01 Okay. Before we get into-
14:40 Speaker 00 That's our next addition.
14:42 Speaker 01 Like, computers for old people. Before we get into employee transfer, I want to share that there is another great DVD commentary for this episode from our crew. And I want to let them introduce themselves, because I'm gonna be bringing up some of the trivia they share. Here is the DVD crew commentary for this episode.
15:00 Speaker 00 Am I gonna cry again?
15:02 Speaker 04 By the way, I'm Dave Rogers. I'm an Emmy Award-winning editor on the show, and this was my directorial debut. And to my left here is- I'm Kyle Alexander, location manager for the show.
15:12 Speaker 05 I'm Anthony Farrell, writer of this fantastic episode. I'm Veda Samard, script supervisor. Been on the- Show for 99 episodes now. And I'm Philip Shea, the property master, and I have also been on the show since the first season.
15:26 Speaker 02 I'm Chuck Cansinari, and this was my first full year as a production assistant on The Funniest Show on TV.
15:32 Speaker 00 Oh, my gosh, I love it.
15:33 Speaker 01 I know, I love hearing their voices. So whenever there's a crew commentary, I just want to let them introduce themselves because it just brings back so many feelings just hearing their voices.
15:44 Speaker 00 When Dave introduced himself as the Emmy-winning editor,
15:47 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
15:48 Speaker 00 It reminded me, Angela, that we were at that awards show, remember?
15:52 Speaker 01 Yes.
15:53 Speaker 00 We read off the people.
15:55 Speaker 01 We co-presented.
15:56 Speaker 00 Yes.
15:57 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
15:57 Speaker 00 And then we got to give the Emmy to our own editors, and then we partied all night with them.
16:02 Speaker 01 That was so much fun. That was one of the most fun award shows.
16:06 Speaker 00 Absolutely.
16:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:07 Speaker 00 Without a doubt.
16:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. So that is who does the DVD commentary for this episode. I'll sprinkle in tidbits they share. And then also, you guys, the bloopers for this episode are some of my most favorite of all bloopers. And you can't find them online, you know, they're not all there. So the bonus for this episode on the DVD box set is so great. I wish all of the driving scenes had been left in because they are all gold.
16:33 Speaker 00 I am bummed because I have every DVD set for every season except this one.
16:39 Speaker 01 What?
16:40 Speaker 00 I don't know where my season five DVD went.
16:42 Speaker 01 Oh, lady.
16:43 Speaker 00 I know. Well, while we take a break, maybe I'll order that DVD, Ange.
16:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:49 Speaker 00 So I can watch these bloopers.
16:50 Speaker 01 These bloopers are my favorite, some of my absolute favorites.
16:52 Speaker 00 All right, I'll do it. We'll be right back.
17:05 Speaker 01 All right, we are back. And you guys, it is Halloween at Dunder Mifflin.
17:08 Speaker 00 It sure is. This is our Halloween cold open.
17:11 Speaker 01 Not through the rest of the episode, just in the cold open.
17:14 Speaker 00 Well, we found out why.
17:15 Speaker 01 Let's play Anthony's first clip. He talks all about it.
17:18 Speaker 06 The show was initially, the entire episode was supposed to be Halloween. So everyone was in their costumes for the entire episode. So Andy was a kitten initially. I think in the whole B story with Dwight being in the Cornell sweater, that was his costume, an accidental costume initially. And that's where that story came from. So costume wise, we had a thing where, once we decided we were going to just to put the Halloween stuff in the cold open, we rewrote the cold open. And that was mostly led by Lee and Jean. And that's where the idea for the three jokers came from. That was obviously a situation that year with that costume being super popular. And they just totally made the most of that situation. It was amazing.
18:01 Speaker 06 The Charlie Chapin thing, that was actually a full like runner for you, Jenna. We had initially in the first draft where you were going to be, it was Halloween all day. So it was just going to be you running around the New York office as the only person dressed for Halloween, trying not to look like Hitler. And it was a fun little runner for you, but I think the story we got eventually with Jim's brothers and that beautiful thing with, you know, you taking the heat like that around them and having that nice little moment. I think that, that to me felt more right and I love that we ended up going there with the story.
18:32 Speaker 00 Yeah, it was gonna be a whole Halloween episode and then they changed it up.
18:36 Speaker 01 Yes, Anthony shared in the DVD that all those Halloween costumes would actually be distracting from all the other storylines.
18:42 Speaker 00 Uh huh.
18:43 Speaker 01 So they just made it the cold open. And I have a costume breakdown.
18:47 Speaker 00 Oh, good, because I have some good details about some of the costumes.
18:50 Speaker 01 Okay.
18:50 Speaker 00 What's everyone wearing, Angela?
18:52 Speaker 01 So we have the scripts, thanks to James Apedia.
18:55 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
18:55 Speaker 01 So per the script, here are some details. Stanley, in the script, it says, is wearing a Creature from the Black Lagoon rubber mask with his regular suit.
19:05 Speaker 00 Okay.
19:05 Speaker 01 Creed, per the script, is an amazing Joker from Batman, whereas Kevin is a quote lame Joker.
19:15 Speaker 01 And in the script, it says Dwight is also a Joker. Kelly is Carrie Bradshaw from Sex and the City. Ryan is Gordon Gekko from Wall Street. Very fitting for Ryan. Oscar is Uncle Sam. Meredith, a cheerleader. Phyllis is Raggedy Ann. Andy, per the script, it says he's dressed as a cat with whiskers on his face. Angela has brought back her cat costume.
19:39 Speaker 00 Yes.
19:40 Speaker 01 Always a classic. And Jim is just wearing a name tag that says Dave. And of course Pam, the solo Halloween costume wearer at corporate is dressed as Charlie Chaplin.
19:50 Speaker 00 Yes. I reached out to our wardrobe designer, Alicia Raycraft.
19:55 Speaker 01 Oh, great.
19:56 Speaker 00 So, starting this season, Alicia took over for Carrie Bennett. Alicia was amazing, particularly, I think, at building wardrobe from scratch. My memories of her, when I would visit her in the wardrobe trailer, were that she always had like one of those fabric mannequins with like swatches on it, pinned on it, or on her wall.
20:17 Speaker 01 I am telling you, she was always pinning something to something.
20:19 Speaker 00 Yes.
20:20 Speaker 01 And then standing back and looking at it.
20:22 Speaker 00 Yeah.
20:22 Speaker 01 And then moving a swatch here, up and down.
20:24 Speaker 00 She said that with this episode, she had to really ride the line of designing wardrobe. But also making sure that the costumes looked like things that we could have put together ourselves.
20:36 Speaker 01 Right. The idea is that if Kevin is gonna dress like the Joker, it'd be Kevin's effort. It'd be like something Kevin had to put together.
20:44 Speaker 00 Yes. Like you said, the script said that Creed's Joker was supposed to be the best version of the Joker. Kevin's was supposed to be lame.
20:51 Speaker 01 And they're the Dark Knight Joker.
20:53 Speaker 00 Yes, that's what Alicia said. They were supposed to be based on the Heath Ledger Joker. And so she had a picture and she made a shopping list and she still had her shopping list.
21:04 Speaker 01 Stop it. I love her.
21:07 Speaker 00 This is what it said. They had to go shop for a vest with a high neck center front, green for Creed, not for Kevin.
21:15 Speaker 01 Because Creed got it right and Kevin didn't.
21:18 Speaker 00 Correct. They needed a gray or dark lilac patterned shirt, green or olive tie with a pattern, pinstripe navy pants, pleated for Kevin, but flat front for Creed.
21:32 Speaker 00 Argyle socks, black Oxford shoes for Creed, but Kevin is to wear his regular character shoes. She said the overall direction in shopping for Kevin was that all of the clothes they purchased should look like they came from his closet. And the direction for Creed was that Creed went out and picked it out specifically for Halloween.
21:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:54 Speaker 00 But for Dwight, she said they went with a nod to the Jack Nicholson version of the Joker.
21:59 Speaker 01 I thought something was different when I rewatched it because the way they drew the smile.
22:03 Speaker 00 Yes.
22:04 Speaker 01 Did not look like the Heath Ledger Joker.
22:06 Speaker 00 That's how they were like, how do we do three Jokers? But it's not all the same costume or the same look. But she also shared with me that she brought in a rack of clothes and that Rain really put together his costume from everything she had bought, which tracks with when we talked to Carrie. And Carrie Bennett said that Rain was always really invested in what his character wore.
22:27 Speaker 01 That's awesome.
22:28 Speaker 00 So let's see, what's next? We got a lot of questions about Andy's kitten costume.
22:33 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
22:34 Speaker 00 A lot of people wrote in to say they thought it looked a little bit like, my favorite was Katie L. said, it looks like an off-brand Rum Tum Tugger costume from the musical Cats. She said, in my mind, I like to think Andy was in a school production of Cats and he still had his costume. Katie L., you would be right on there. Dave told me that Greg was very involved in Ed's costume.
23:00 Speaker 01 Really?
23:01 Speaker 00 Yes. That he wanted it to look like it was from the musical Cats and he went over the top to please Angela.
23:08 Speaker 01 Right.
23:09 Speaker 00 He was not just going to draw whiskers on his face, guys. Alicia said she showed Greg a bunch of photos from the Broadway musical of Cats and Greg picked his favorites, but she did not base this cat on any one character. It was a meld.
23:23 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
23:24 Speaker 00 She built that whole costume from scratch. She bought a unitard and hand painted it. She used to do textile painting.
23:30 Speaker 01 Wow.
23:31 Speaker 00 I mean, that's amazing. And then she found another email that she shared with me. It was an email to her crew. Mm-hmm. Detailing how to build the little, like- Fur diaper thing that he's wearing. What is it? Right?
23:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't know. It looks like fur underwear. And then there's also like a rope belt and a tail and oh my goodness.
23:52 Speaker 00 Yes. She said, please make a loincloth using a fong or small, brief underwear as a base, and then swatch Phelps wool crepe and heavy knits on top. And please get faux fur for some gloves.
24:09 Speaker 00 So amazing. So that is how she put together all of those costumes, which were really amazing. And I remember my costume. We did like Pam went to a store and rented a tux, basically.
24:21 Speaker 01 Well, I took a lot of photos this day. I have some great ones of you and Rain. You guys were hanging out by your trailer. I was walking by you guys in my cat costume. And I see Rain as the Joker, talking to Jenna as Charlie Chaplin, just casually hanging out. So I took pictures. They're some of my favorite.
24:39 Speaker 00 Well, I think he put that one in his book.
24:41 Speaker 01 I gave it to him.
24:42 Speaker 00 Yeah.
24:42 Speaker 01 That's from me.
24:43 Speaker 00 I loved this episode, Angela, because I had been away for a very long time at Pratt. But you know, the corporate offices were over on the warehouse set.
24:52 Speaker 01 We never got to see you.
24:54 Speaker 00 But you did on this day.
24:55 Speaker 01 Exactly.
24:56 Speaker 00 And I got to participate in the Halloween, which was always one of my favorite things on our show. And I would have been really bummed if I didn't get to see everybody in their costumes. But I got to be in hair makeup.
25:07 Speaker 01 And we were in there a long time. Me, not so long, but oh my gosh, Ed had to come in really early.
25:12 Speaker 00 Yeah.
25:13 Speaker 01 And so did Phyllis. Like, there was a lot of makeup there.
25:16 Speaker 00 Well, my hair was not easy to wash out. I'll tell you that.
25:19 Speaker 01 Are your eyebrows? I felt bad for your poor eyebrows.
25:22 Speaker 00 It was a real grease paint.
25:24 Speaker 01 They shall act you.
25:25 Speaker 00 Yeah.
25:26 Speaker 01 I have a few little background catches for this cold open. I want you guys to know that at 44 seconds, when Kevin is annoyed that Creed is such a good Joker, he brushes past me and knocks me over. This was like a little running bit Brian and I would have that if Kevin bumped into Angela, she'd go flying. It was like our own personal bit that cracked us up to no end. When he did it, one of my cat ears fell forward and didn't come back. Back up and I could feel it laying on top of my head and I was trying not to laugh. And if you go to 44 seconds, you'll see that Angela's ear flops forward.
26:00 Speaker 00 I want you to know that three people that I reached out to on this episode pointed out that moment to me.
26:06 Speaker 01 I know. I know. They talked about it in the commentary, too.
26:09 Speaker 00 I think it's gone down in the lore of this episode.
26:11 Speaker 01 I know. And then the other thing was, you guys, they really let Ed as that cat play around and mess with John. And in one take, Ed as Andy came up to Jim and rubbed on his leg, like kind of rubbed on him like a cat. And the two of them lost it. It's in the bloopers, but they had a lot of fun with that. One of my favorite moments is when Andy, it says in the script, Andy walks back to his desk smugly and Ed's like sashay in that cat costume cracked me up. You guys know we love this fake elevator in our lobby, the Dunder Mifflin lobby.
26:48 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:49 Speaker 01 We've talked about it, two wooden doors and a guy pulling a rope.
26:51 Speaker 00 Yep.
26:52 Speaker 01 On the side.
26:52 Speaker 00 And they add all the sound effects later.
26:54 Speaker 01 Add it all in. Well, in the script, when Raina Dwight arrives in the Joker outfit, he just was supposed to hop in the elevator and he was supposed to, all of the Joker say, and here we go. And the doors would shut.
27:07 Speaker 00 Uh huh.
27:08 Speaker 01 But it was just kind of falling flat. So they came up with this alt about the magic trick of the pencil disappearing.
27:13 Speaker 00 Yeah.
27:13 Speaker 01 And it wasn't really working still. And so Anthony pitched, what if the doors close as he's saying the line? And then he opens them back up to finish the sentence. And they said they played around with this for a bit with the doors opening and closing, which you and I know means that there was someone.
27:30 Speaker 00 Pulling a rope.
27:31 Speaker 01 Pulling that pulley really hard. And that's how they found this moment. And I thought that was really fun.
27:35 Speaker 00 That is awesome.
27:37 Speaker 01 Those things that happened on the fly like that in the moment, I love to hear about.
27:41 Speaker 00 Now it's time to get into the episode. We're down in the warehouse. They are loading up a big truck.
27:47 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
27:48 Speaker 00 So that they can take Holly to Nashua.
27:50 Speaker 01 Yes.
27:51 Speaker 00 We got a fan question.
27:53 Speaker 01 Okay.
27:54 Speaker 00 That is very funny to me. Two people.
27:57 Speaker 01 Okay.
27:58 Speaker 00 Ian O. and Mary S. wrote in to say, did Holly live in the warehouse? Isn't it odd that this road trip started from the office rather than from her home?
28:10 Speaker 01 This is such a good catch.
28:14 Speaker 00 It's true. Where is this stuff coming from?
28:18 Speaker 01 Oh my gosh, I guess we have to justify it that like they went to her apartment, packed it up. And then why did they drive to the warehouse? Why not just leave?
28:26 Speaker 00 This piggybacks very nicely on a question that I had along with Erin S. and Amanda E. What is Holly wearing on the day she is moving? She is dressed in her work clothes, same as Pam, driving to Pratt.
28:39 Speaker 01 I know.
28:40 Speaker 00 What is that?
28:41 Speaker 01 And Michael's more casual. He's got his little casual, little like zippy jacket.
28:46 Speaker 00 Yes. Also, they pointed out, I don't think it looks like she had any intention of helping move any of her own belongings. She is not dressed for a move.
28:55 Speaker 01 No, she's not. Why could she be casual? What's happening?
28:59 Speaker 00 I thought these were good catches. You know, I talked to Dave about this and he said that during the prep for this episode, they brought him a bunch of trucks to look at and they were all giant 18 wheeler moving trucks. And he was like, how am I going to film with that?
29:17 Speaker 01 How do I tow it?
29:18 Speaker 00 What am I doing? But he said he loves this truck that they found. It looked really realistic. He also just loved that the back was open because then when you got shots that, you know, the farther shots of them going down the road, it just like, you really felt the move.
29:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
29:35 Speaker 00 Because you could see her bed. You could see the stuff.
29:38 Speaker 01 Right. They said that they wanted the table hanging off the front, like in the bubble wrap.
29:42 Speaker 00 I love it.
29:43 Speaker 01 I loved it too. Phil Props, you know, we love Phil Props. He shared that Anthony and Dave really wanted Michael to have packed all kinds of crazy things for the road trip. Like him and Holly are little kids, like the finger puppets and the cats in the cradle and the movies to watch. You guys, a lot of those are in the deleted scenes.
30:01 Speaker 00 Oh, of them doing it in the van?
30:03 Speaker 01 And my absolute favorite is the two of them, the windows are down and they're watching a movie and they are hissing themselves laughing. They are laughing so hard and Daryl looks miserable and Daryl takes a hard turn on purpose. And the laptop that's playing the movie goes flying out the window.
30:21 Speaker 00 I remember that.
30:23 Speaker 01 It is so funny. I am so bummed it didn't make it in. Dave said they spent three hours on that gag and finally had to just let it go. They said every time Craig turned, the computer would slide and never go out the window. It only went out the window one time.
30:40 Speaker 00 Oh my gosh.
30:41 Speaker 01 But it's in the bloopers on the DVD and it's so funny.
30:44 Speaker 00 We had a fan catch from a couple of people from Erica S. and Mary S. and I have to say they're making a good point.
30:53 Speaker 01 What?
30:53 Speaker 00 So it said repeatedly in Goodbye Toby that, you know, she's coming in to train for this new position and that they only allowed one day for training. And when she's on the Ferris wheel with Michael, she talks about how she was unable to be promoted at her former company. Former company.
31:14 Speaker 01 Right, right.
31:15 Speaker 00 But then in this episode, it says she's being transferred back to Nashua as if she's been a Dunder Mifflin employee all along.
31:23 Speaker 01 I don't know, guys.
31:25 Speaker 00 I mean, I think they caught a continuity error there.
31:27 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. Here's one of the things I was curious about. Why would Daryl agree to drive Michael and Holly, be in a car with Michael and Holly for seven hours? Well, there was a talking head in the script that didn't make it in that explained this. Daryl said, "I'm driving them up for five times what I would have made at work. I thought I made a good deal. Then I realized I'm going to be trapped in a truck with Michael all day." But he did earn a lot of money.
31:56 Speaker 00 So Michael paid him is why.
31:59 Speaker 01 They paid him, yeah.
32:00 Speaker 00 Okay, that does make more sense. Well, Michael is not the only person who's leaving for the day. Jim comes walking out of the building. He's saying goodbye to them, right? And we find out that Jim is going to go to New York and he's going to have lunch with Pam and his two brothers. So we set up that storyline.
32:16 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
32:16 Speaker 00 And I'm bringing this up because at 3 minutes 24 seconds, Jim is holding the keychain that he got in the Yankee swap Christmas party from Oscar back in season two.
32:28 Speaker 01 Oh, my gosh. What a great tiny detail.
32:31 Speaker 00 Yeah.
32:32 Speaker 01 I love that.
32:32 Speaker 00 Phil Shea.
32:33 Speaker 01 Phil Shea, man. Well, as Jim and Michael are having this little scene in the parking lot, Holly would have said goodbye to everyone in the bullpen. It was a deleted scene. Jenna, I laughed so hard in this scene. I was really glad. I'm way deep behind the partition.
32:50 Speaker 00 Ah.
32:50 Speaker 01 It's a series of people saying goodbye to her. But my absolute favorite was Oscar.
32:57 Speaker 01 Oscar Nunez is so good at like being the character that rains on your parade, but he's just being reasonable.
33:05 Speaker 00 Uh huh.
33:06 Speaker 01 Right?
33:06 Speaker 00 Yes.
33:07 Speaker 01 So he's like, you know, well, good luck. And she's like, well, I won't be that far. And then he goes on to say all of this and he just slowly, slowly rains on her parade. Can you play it?
33:18 Speaker 02 We'll miss you.
33:18 Speaker 07 Oh, well, I'll be around.
33:20 Speaker 02 It's in a seven hour drive.
33:22 Speaker 07 It's not that bad. But if I'm really jonesing to see you guys, I can always fly.
33:28 Speaker 02 I don't know if it'll be shorter to fly.
33:31 Speaker 02 You have to drive to Boston, right? That's an hour and a half. Get to an hour before the flight. Now you're up two and a half hours. The flight to Philadelphia is an hour 15. It's another two and a half hour drive to Scranton, assuming there's no traffic.
33:42 Speaker 07 Well, I just wanted to say goodbye.
33:44 Speaker 02 Okay.
33:47 Speaker 01 It made me laugh so hard.
33:48 Speaker 00 I just wanted to say goodbye.
33:49 Speaker 01 Right, right. But like, she's trying to make like, it's not gonna be that bad. And he's like, I don't know about that. That person, Oscar was so good at being that person.
34:00 Speaker 00 So it keeps coming up in this episode that it is seven hours from Scranton to Nashua.
34:06 Speaker 01 Did you Google it?
34:07 Speaker 00 It's not true.
34:08 Speaker 01 How far is it?
34:09 Speaker 00 Less than five.
34:10 Speaker 01 What?
34:11 Speaker 00 It's such a big difference.
34:13 Speaker 01 Why didn't anyone look that up in the writers room?
34:16 Speaker 00 No, but it's only like four hours and 45 minutes.
34:20 Speaker 01 Are you kidding me?
34:21 Speaker 00 I'm not kidding you.
34:22 Speaker 01 What roads were they taking? Are there new freeways?
34:26 Speaker 00 There were some like fan theories that it took them seven hours in that big truck. But that's not how we present it in this episode. We present it like, how are they ever gonna see each other? Like Holly says, even if you leave right after work, Michael, you won't even get here till after midnight.
34:43 Speaker 01 And then we'll just have one day together.
34:45 Speaker 00 And you'll have to go back, but it's not true. They really scared themselves.
34:50 Speaker 01 I mean, at four hours, they're in the middle of nowhere. That's how we sell it.
34:54 Speaker 00 Exactly.
34:55 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
34:56 Speaker 00 I know. So anyway, I just wanted to say that I also did check the train schedule for a reason I can't explain. It takes over 12 hours on the train.
35:05 Speaker 01 Maybe our writers checked the train schedule.
35:08 Speaker 00 I don't know. Lot of stops though, I guess.
35:11 Speaker 01 My gosh.
35:12 Speaker 00 Yeah, I know. Are you checking my work? You got your phone out. She is checking my work.
35:18 Speaker 01 I am not checking.
35:18 Speaker 00 What do you think? I don't know how to Google Scranton to Nashua?
35:22 Speaker 01 No, I'm very
35:23 Speaker 00 After all of my great information I've given you about rabies.
35:27 Speaker 01 Can I tell you something right now?
35:29 Speaker 00 What? I'm doing it too. We're both Googling Scranton, Nashua. There it is. Five hours. It's 311 miles. Done.
35:38 Speaker 01 You know what's amazing is that a lot of people have written about this.
35:42 Speaker 00 I know. There's a whole Reddit thread.
35:43 Speaker 01 I know. I'm looking at the Reddit thread.
35:45 Speaker 00 See?
35:46 Speaker 01 Okay. Well, this shouldn't have broken them up.
35:50 Speaker 00 It really shouldn't have.
35:51 Speaker 01 They should have picked a further branch. Okay. Well, all right.
35:55 Speaker 00 Speaking of all of these driving scenes, should we get into it a little bit? We'll come back. Stuff is happening back at the office with Dwight and Andy, but we'll get back to it.
36:04 Speaker 01 Should we do the driving? Let's do it.
36:05 Speaker 00 Let's get to the driving. Sam.
36:24 Speaker 01 Something all night long.
36:26 Speaker 00 Okay.
36:27 Speaker 01 Tom Cochrane.
36:29 Speaker 00 According to James Apedia, they had two days and a little more, like two days and a half to shoot the driving scenes. They shot mostly on the 118 freeway, a little bit on Burbank Boulevard. That's how we made it look like the East Coast. Some tidbits from Dave Rogers. They filmed this using lipstick cameras in the car. And for the most part, used a tow car. So they had a big old truck that pulled the truck. Craig was not actually driving. So Dave told me that it was over 100 degrees.
37:04 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
37:04 Speaker 00 The days they were shooting.
37:06 Speaker 01 104 is what they said in the commentary.
37:09 Speaker 00 And he, Randall Einhorn, our DP, Paul Feig, and Veda had to sit in the back of the tow car.
37:17 Speaker 01 Under a tent.
37:18 Speaker 00 Yes, like a black box tent where they could see monitors showing them what was happening inside the car. They had little walkie talkies so that they could talk to Amy and Steve and Craig. He said Paul Feig started removing layers of his suit. Cause you know, Paul used to wear like a three piece suit every day.
37:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:38 Speaker 00 He said they were really jealous because Randall Einhorn wore
37:42 Speaker 01 The cooling vest.
37:44 Speaker 00 Yes.
37:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:45 Speaker 00 The cooling vest that Steve Carell had worn.
37:47 Speaker 01 Yeah. Vada said, inside the tent with five monitors, all the heat was trapped in there. She said it felt like it was 200 degrees in there.
37:56 Speaker 00 Dave sent me some pictures.
37:58 Speaker 01 Oh, no, were they like all melting?
37:59 Speaker 00 They were. They looked so hot. It was crazy. Yeah. So they are driving. They are singing this song over and over again.
38:08 Speaker 01 Over and over. And then, of course, in the deleted scenes, you guys, they're pulling things out of that bag Michael packed and doing things. And then one of the things they do is they just start doing like kissing pushups. Oh, my gosh, Daryl's face. They put their lips to each other and they're going, one and two and three.
38:27 Speaker 01 It's so good. And that didn't make it in. But they're driving Daryl crazy.
38:32 Speaker 00 But then they start to realize, this is far.
38:36 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
38:37 Speaker 00 It's starting to hit them. Michael wants to save the day. He's like, stop right now. We're halfway. There's got to be an amazing bed and breakfast right here.
38:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's where we'll meet. It's gonna be so cute.
38:48 Speaker 00 Meet in the middle. So they pull off the road. There is nothing.
38:51 Speaker 01 They're in the woods. Kyle, our location manager, shared this. He said when they went tech scouting, they found this location, kind of like off the side of the road. They were like, oh, this will be perfect. But then they found out another production was filming just a little ways down the way in the same area.
39:08 Speaker 00 Who was it?
39:08 Speaker 01 He did say who it was, but he said, normally this wouldn't concern us because we would film in our little nook. They would film in their nook and we'd be fine. He said, but then we found out they were filming a live band all day. And he said, we couldn't have a live band, so we had to find a whole new location. And this spot was actually in Griffith Park.
39:29 Speaker 00 Oh, wow.
39:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:31 Speaker 00 It's so funny. When you said another show was filming there, I assumed it was like a murder show or 24 or something.
39:38 Speaker 01 Right.
39:39 Speaker 00 Because who else needs just like to be out in the weird woods?
39:43 Speaker 01 Maybe a teen rom com.
39:45 Speaker 00 I guess so, with a live band.
39:47 Speaker 01 Right. Here's another little thing I caught, Jenna. At nine minutes 53 seconds, while Michael and Holly are having this heart to heart in the car, Daryl's getting gas.
39:56 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
39:56 Speaker 01 Right?
39:57 Speaker 00 Yeah.
39:57 Speaker 01 Did you see what the front license plate said?
40:00 Speaker 00 No.
40:00 Speaker 01 It just says Rock 107.
40:03 Speaker 00 The license plate on the truck?
40:05 Speaker 01 Yes, on the front of the truck says Rock 107.
40:09 Speaker 00 Oh.
40:09 Speaker 01 A radio station.
40:11 Speaker 00 Is there a Rock 107 in Scranton?
40:14 Speaker 01 Yes.
40:15 Speaker 00 Oh, my gosh.
40:16 Speaker 01 It plays classic rock.
40:18 Speaker 00 Of course it does, Sam.
40:27 Speaker 00 Rock 107.
40:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, baby.
40:30 Speaker 00 Although I suppose actually, these are all coming off of Michael's mix CD that he made for the trip.
40:35 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
40:36 Speaker 00 Life is a Highway. Now, we all know I made.
40:39 Speaker 01 Your Scranton mix CD.
40:41 Speaker 00 Sounds of Scranton. I would have put this on there because it was just a mix of classic rock. You know, who would have appreciated my CD?
40:48 Speaker 01 Michael Scott.
40:48 Speaker 00 Michael Scott.
40:49 Speaker 01 Jenna Fisher and Michael Scott.
40:51 Speaker 00 Yes.
40:51 Speaker 01 Hanging out. So while Daryl is getting gas, you know, Michael says that he's dated four women in the last 10 years and Holly surpasses them all. Well, Veda R. Scripty shared that the last 10 years was an improv from Steve.
41:07 Speaker 00 Oh, it made it so much better, I have to say.
41:11 Speaker 01 I know.
41:12 Speaker 00 Everything about that, when she thinks he means four people in the last year and he says in the last 10 years, kind of at the same time.
41:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:20 Speaker 00 I was like, oh, Michael.
41:22 Speaker 01 I know.
41:23 Speaker 00 I love you so much, Michael.
41:24 Speaker 01 And they were ad libbing right there.
41:26 Speaker 00 Oh, all of it really breaks my heart, Ange, because as they're getting closer, you can really see Holly shutting down.
41:34 Speaker 01 Oh, she starts crying while the song is playing and Amy Ryan crushed that.
41:39 Speaker 00 I know.
41:40 Speaker 01 That was so good. Well, Dave talked about this. He said, you know, he really wanted a three-shot. He wanted to see Michael and Holly having this moment, Michael begging Holly, no, don't do this. We don't need to break up. And Daryl just making a random phone call, like, does he need to talk to anyone, someone?
41:57 Speaker 00 Yes.
41:57 Speaker 01 And he wanted to see all of that at the same time. I mean, it's not an easy shot, but Dave was like, no, no, no, I want to see all three of them.
42:05 Speaker 00 You had to see all three of them.
42:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:06 Speaker 00 It only works that way.
42:08 Speaker 01 Because he said it's like two scenes happening at the same time.
42:11 Speaker 00 Well, maybe we should take a break from the car because we need to cover what's happening back at the office.
42:16 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. Dwight is applying for Cornell, you guys.
42:19 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. And also Pam's about to have lunch with Jim's brothers. There's a lot to still talk about. We'll be right back.
42:36 Speaker 00 Dwight arrives to work.
42:38 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
42:39 Speaker 00 He is wearing a Cornell sweatshirt.
42:41 Speaker 01 Over his mustard shirt.
42:43 Speaker 00 Yeah. You want to know why he's wearing that sweatshirt?
42:46 Speaker 01 Because he's applying to Cornell.
42:48 Speaker 00 That's right.
42:49 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
42:49 Speaker 00 Yes.
42:50 Speaker 01 I mean, did he know how to go after Andy or what?
42:54 Speaker 00 Oh.
42:54 Speaker 01 What does Andy covet? That Cornell diploma?
42:58 Speaker 00 My favorite thing is when you see Andy fuming in the back of Dwight's talking head.
43:04 Speaker 01 When he's bobbing his chair back and forth?
43:07 Speaker 00 So good.
43:07 Speaker 01 So good. I have a little Phil Props tidbit about this talking head. Dwight is holding up a coffee mug that also says Cornell.
43:16 Speaker 00 Yep.
43:16 Speaker 01 Well, this was sort of a last minute pitch from Dave. He really wanted to pump up the Cornell merch.
43:21 Speaker 00 Okay.
43:22 Speaker 01 So he was like, what if he's holding something? They made that mug in two hours.
43:27 Speaker 00 What?
43:28 Speaker 01 Our props department.
43:29 Speaker 00 Oh, my gosh.
43:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, so that he could have it in this talking head.
43:33 Speaker 00 You know, I've seen that happen on set sometimes where there'll be an actor and they're supposed to carry a briefcase.
43:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:40 Speaker 00 For example, and the props team will come up during the rehearsal of the scene on the day, we're lighting, we're getting ready to shoot, and they show the actor three briefcase options.
43:51 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
43:52 Speaker 00 And then the actor says, oh, no, no, I imagined it would be like a distressed leather. Maybe it was my father's that they passed down to me. And the props person, you just see them just having a heart attack, basically.
44:07 Speaker 01 And I feel like the actor and director's producers, the writer of the episode, they might all have a thought last minute like that.
44:14 Speaker 00 On what this prop should look like. And the props person is like, always, without fail, they're always like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
44:21 Speaker 01 No problem.
44:22 Speaker 00 We'll get that. And then I know that they take like a van to some warehouse and they go through a giant shelf of all these briefcases to try to find the thing that the actor talked about.
44:35 Speaker 01 Or they run across the parking lot.
44:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
44:37 Speaker 01 And like try to get something printed in the moment. I have such a memory of Phil running across the parking lot.
44:45 Speaker 00 My only memories of Phil are that he is running.
44:48 Speaker 01 Running or like fast walking and talking, hey, Phil, hey, how's it going?
44:52 Speaker 00 No, I was just, I gotta make a coffee mug. I'm gonna print out a thing and we're gonna get that, we're gonna get that made.
44:56 Speaker 01 Yep.
44:57 Speaker 00 Can't wait. Yeah. Props are amazing.
44:59 Speaker 01 Props department, kicking butt.
45:02 Speaker 00 Well, throughout all of this, Dwight is just winding Andy up. They've got that scene in the kitchen. Dwight has clearly done his research.
45:10 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. After that scene in the kitchen, there's a deleted scene of Andy in the parking lot going off to his dad. Like, I died, dad, I'm gonna get him. Like, he's like so mad.
45:21 Speaker 00 One of my favorite scenes is the one with Dwight at his desk where he's got all this merch. There's like a pennant hanging from the ceiling. And then he reaches into his drawer and he gets out a Cornell bobblehead.
45:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:37 Speaker 00 And Andy loses it.
45:39 Speaker 01 He's like, that's Big Red Bear.
45:42 Speaker 00 Well, I asked Phil Shea if that was a real Cornell bobblehead or if we had to make it. And he said it was real. Throughout all these years of the show, because Andy had gone to school at Cornell, he made contacts at the school, particularly the Cornell bookstore. And that is where he got the bobblehead. He said Claudia, Sandra, Peggy and Patricia are the ladies at Cornell that would always help him out whenever we had a storyline that required some Cornell merch. There's gonna be a really good one coming up and I can't wait to share it in a future episode.
46:17 Speaker 01 Thank you, ladies. I love that Phil had all his people. He had all his people everywhere.
46:21 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
46:22 Speaker 01 Well, I have a little thing to share about that Cornell bobblehead as well. So it was not the first choice.
46:28 Speaker 00 What was the first choice?
46:29 Speaker 01 So to ratchet Andy up, Dwight was gonna have his cellphone ringtone be the Cornell Fight Song.
46:35 Speaker 00 Ooh, that's a good idea.
46:37 Speaker 01 Yeah. But then when they heard it, it just didn't quite work in the moment. It was just like too much setup. And so they felt like the bobblehead was just like this quick, like boom, I now have the Cornell merch on my desk.
46:49 Speaker 00 Well, I like the personal connection to Angela and the bobbleheads as well.
46:55 Speaker 01 Side by side.
46:56 Speaker 00 Yes. So I like that choice for that reason.
47:00 Speaker 01 Well, it almost was "Give My Regards to Davy," which is the Cornell Fight Song, playing on Dwight's cellphone.
47:06 Speaker 00 You know, the scene where Andy confronts Dwight outside of the bathroom?
47:11 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
47:11 Speaker 00 And Dwight starts asking Andy what a cappella group he should join?
47:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:16 Speaker 00 At Cornell?
47:17 Speaker 01 The Harmoniacs or the Do Re Migos?
47:20 Speaker 00 Yes. I looked it up.
47:22 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
47:22 Speaker 00 According to the Cornell Acapella Advisory Council, there is a Cornell Acapella Advisory Council.
47:30 Speaker 01 Amazing.
47:31 Speaker 00 There are not any current a cappella groups with those names, but I'm not sure about when we filmed.
47:37 Speaker 01 Aka what? Aka, let me tell you, Veda said that Rain was improvising quite a bit in this moment.
47:45 Speaker 00 Oh.
47:45 Speaker 01 Some was scripted, and then he just started going off.
47:48 Speaker 00 I see.
47:49 Speaker 01 Yes. And also Anthony shared that he pitched that Stanley should be the first person to come out of the bathroom to kind of throw Andy off.
47:57 Speaker 00 Yeah.
47:58 Speaker 01 Because Andy's so ready. And then Stanley comes out and he's like, "Ugh." And then he has to get his energy back up for Dwight. I love that little moment.
48:04 Speaker 00 Great detail. All of this is going to lead to a delicious scene in the conference room because Andy informs Dwight, guess who is conducting your interview?
48:18 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm. He's contacted Cornell, and he's gonna do the interview.
48:22 Speaker 00 Yeah. And Dwight's like, "Bring it on." I love this conference room scene so much.
48:26 Speaker 01 I love it so much. Dave shared that this conference room scene between Dwight and Andy was his first day of filming.
48:34 Speaker 00 What?
48:35 Speaker 01 Yes. And he loved that because it was so contained, right?
48:39 Speaker 00 Oh my gosh, yes.
48:41 Speaker 01 Right? And he said it was about a 10 to 11 page scene. That's a huge scene.
48:46 Speaker 00 Yes, a lot of people asked, was this scripted or improvised? It was almost all scripted.
48:52 Speaker 01 It was almost all scripted, but Veda said that they did let Rain and Ed really play around, especially with the role model name pitches.
49:01 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
49:02 Speaker 01 And these guys kept laughing. They were breaking so hard in this scene.
49:07 Speaker 00 In the end, Dwight says his role models are Dane Cook, Jack Bauer, and Eli Whitney, but in the script, they're different.
49:15 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
49:15 Speaker 00 And there's many takes of these names being different. But there was one big part of this scene that was improvised, and Anthony talks about it.
49:25 Speaker 01 It's so good.
49:26 Speaker 06 That scene that we had in the conference room where they were, the double interview, as it were, that was always like, had always been in there as a fun scene for the two of them to square off at the end of that episode. I do remember there was a moment where it was either Rain or Ed started pulling the table, and I just, I was just like, ugh, we've got to do that more. So I talked to Dave, Dave Rogers, who was directing his first episode of The Office, and he's directed a thousand things since because he's freaking amazing. I remember talking to him, I was like, they've got to just let him play with that table, let him pull, let him pull it back and forth, like, let him struggle with that and see what happens. And I think we got, that was the only take I think we did of that, where Rain
50:07 Speaker 06 just pulls it all the way to the wall and thanks him for coming. It just, that whole, you know, those characters are all about, all about conflict, all about power shifts, and that whole dynamic just felt, it felt like the right place to end up with those characters. And so that was a nice little bit of improv that we got to enhance on the day.
50:27 Speaker 00 I feel like Dave must have been so excited after this first shoot day.
50:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:31 Speaker 00 To get that table tugging moment, to get this whole scene, these guys are so good in it.
50:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:37 Speaker 00 He had to have been fired up.
50:38 Speaker 01 You would think so. I mean, the biggest stuff was ahead of him, but at least he had that first day in the conference room.
50:44 Speaker 00 Well, you know, it's interesting, Dave shared with me, the last thing we shot for this episode was the Halloween cold open. That was the last day of shooting.
50:52 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
50:53 Speaker 00 Yeah. He said, we needed time to get all those costumes and everything organized.
50:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:59 Speaker 00 Should we talk about what's going on with Jim and Pam during all of this now?
51:02 Speaker 01 Yes.
51:03 Speaker 00 So we know that they're gonna have lunch with Jim's brothers, but what we find out is that Pam gets to the restaurant early.
51:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:10 Speaker 00 She wants to do a prank.
51:11 Speaker 01 Because she wants them to like her.
51:13 Speaker 00 Yeah.
51:14 Speaker 01 She's like gonna be the fun sister-in-law. Jenna, do you have a guest star breakdown?
51:18 Speaker 00 You know I do. Pete Halpert was played by Tug Corker, and Tom Halpert was played by Blake Robbins.
51:27 Speaker 01 They were super tall.
51:29 Speaker 00 Very tall. There's the reason for that. John Krasinski has two very tall brothers in real life, and they thought this would be a fun nod to his family.
51:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:41 Speaker 00 I was able to get in touch with Tug, by the way. And oh, my gosh. I could not love this guy more. I mean, we had such a fun time shooting together, and I had so much fun reminiscing with him about this. He told me that the audition notice for this episode, it said it was looking for actors who were 6'1" or taller, preferably with brown hair. But it did not reveal that you would be playing Jim Halpert's brother.
52:05 Speaker 01 Huh.
52:06 Speaker 00 And when he got to the audition, he said, first of all, he's 6'5". And when he got to the audition, Allison Jones said, "You look like you could play John Krasinski's brother." That's what she said. And he was like, "Oh, I'm gonna be playing Halpert."
52:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
52:21 Speaker 00 That was his first clue. He read with Allison's associate, Ben Harris, and the next day, he got a call that he'd gotten the part.
52:30 Speaker 01 Well, I definitely felt like these guys looked like they could be John's brothers. And you know, John's brothers in real life are super tall. They're like 6'8" or something. They're like the tallest family.
52:39 Speaker 00 Isn't John the short one?
52:41 Speaker 01 Yes.
52:42 Speaker 00 And John is 6'3".
52:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, and he's the shorty.
52:46 Speaker 00 That is so crazy. Well, Tug said, "Here's the thing that happens when you're a really tall actor. You usually have to bring your own clothes."
52:54 Speaker 01 Listen, Tug, that's what happens when you're a really short actor, too.
52:57 Speaker 00 Angela can relate. He said that is his own suit and those are his own shoes.
53:02 Speaker 01 I believe it.
53:03 Speaker 00 He's pretty sure that Blake wore his own clothes in the scene as well. So you know this first scene at the restaurant, Angela, where Pam has met them early and she's pitching her idea for what the prank could be. She says her ring, she put it in her little apron, she left it, she's gonna throw another girl under the bus. This whole drama, she lost her engagement ring. And they're like, oh, we have a better idea. Their idea is that they're gonna dog Pam about her career choice as an artist.
53:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, and they said, let's do the same thing we did to Jim's girlfriend in high school. What the heck, guys? What is your pattern here? Oh, our bit is, we make the girls that Jim's dating feel crappy about themselves.
53:46 Speaker 00 I know. What the heck?
53:48 Speaker 01 I know. They said in the DVD commentary that they wanted Jim's brothers to be bad at pranking. Like, they're like the less sophisticated prankers of the family. Jim is better at pranking, they're kinda lame at it.
54:01 Speaker 00 So, most of this stuff was scripted in the restaurant. We did not have a lot of time, actually, to play around. But Tug reminded me that we did improvise the very end of this scene. He said, Jenna, I'm pretty sure you improvised that line, so not the ring thing then. And then the two of them are like, no, no, no, this is better, this is better. And I checked the script and he's right, the scene had actually been meant to end sooner.
54:26 Speaker 01 That sounds like you in real life, by the way. That sounds like something you would say.
54:30 Speaker 00 Maybe so.
54:31 Speaker 01 I feel like we've ordered lunch together and I've gone back and forth about an appetizer and you've said, so not the dip then, we're not doing the dip.
54:39 Speaker 00 Just to clarify.
54:41 Speaker 01 Well, Dave shared that you guys filmed this restaurant scene the day after Labor Day.
54:47 Speaker 00 Oh.
54:48 Speaker 01 Tuesday in September. I thought that was a fun little detail to know. And Kyle, the locations manager, said that this restaurant was called E3rd. And it was on the east side of downtown LA. They were really trying to get this area to double as Brooklyn, where Pam was attending Pratt.
55:04 Speaker 00 I think they did a good job.
55:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:06 Speaker 00 Well, the restaurant was a steakhouse. And in the next scene where you see that we're eating, after Jim has arrived, we got to just pick off the menu.
55:16 Speaker 01 Oh, so you're really eating the restaurant food?
55:18 Speaker 00 Yeah.
55:19 Speaker 01 Oh, that's so lucky.
55:20 Speaker 00 I know.
55:21 Speaker 01 Oh, that's cool.
55:22 Speaker 00 Well, Tug said he remembers it very clearly because it was the very first time he had to eat in a scene. And when they gave him the menu, he thought his character would order steak at a steakhouse. And that John Krasinski said, oh dude, you're gonna regret that choice. You're gonna be eating cold steak for several hours. And Tug was like, what do you mean? I'm gonna eat steak. And that's what my character would eat. And he said, John ordered a salad. And like a little protein on the side. And that's what I ordered as well. Well, Tug said that his concern about ordering a salad was that he didn't want any food to fall on him during the scene. He was like, this is the first time I'm eating and acting. I think steak, I can get it on the fork. I can get it in my mouth.
56:05 Speaker 01 Well, steak is definitely easier to eat than salad.
56:08 Speaker 00 Well, Tug pointed out to me, and I didn't notice it the first time I watched it. But he said it's burned in his brain because this is the scene that was on his acting reel for years and years. So at 12 minutes, 25 seconds, John is struggling with this bite of salad. You can see it.
56:26 Speaker 01 I saw that too.
56:27 Speaker 00 He's having a very hard time getting this piece of lettuce in his mouth. And then, if you watch closely, one leaf misses his mouth and falls into his lap, which was exactly Tug's fear that if Tug had been eating salad, he would have missed his mouth. He was then glad he had ordered that steak and had to eat it for hours.
56:47 Speaker 01 John, as I rewatched that, I thought, that's a really big, aggressive bite of lettuce. Like, he really went for it.
56:53 Speaker 00 He did. You know, sometimes when you're eating salad in a scene, you don't realize what you've got on the fork, and then you just have to commit to it.
57:00 Speaker 01 And that was on Tug's reel. He watched it over and over.
57:03 Speaker 00 Over and over again. He watched that piece of lettuce fall.
57:07 Speaker 01 So you know, their dinner starts out pretty sweet, right? Jim is holding up a photo of his niece.
57:12 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
57:12 Speaker 01 Right?
57:13 Speaker 00 Yeah.
57:13 Speaker 01 So you feel like this is going to be nice.
57:15 Speaker 00 It's pre prank. The prank hasn't started yet.
57:17 Speaker 01 Prank hasn't started yet. The photo that John is holding up is our set medic, Patrice King's daughter.
57:24 Speaker 00 Aww.
57:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, Phil shared that. Phil would do that, you guys.
57:28 Speaker 00 This scene also has the moment where all of us at the end of the scene, give a look to camera. And it's such a cool moment. Tug said he remembers Dave Rogers giving him the direction to check in with the camera throughout the scene. And this was like so crazy to him because you know, he'd never been in a project where you were allowed to look down the lens like that. But I love this moment. I love the look that he gives the camera and you just go around the table and we all give this little look to camera about this prank that is not going well.
57:58 Speaker 01 Not going well. Dave talked about it a little bit. He said he wanted the brothers to look to camera to just give that subtle hint that their mannerisms were similar to Jim.
58:08 Speaker 00 Hmm.
58:08 Speaker 01 That they would check in like that. At eight minutes, 33 seconds, Pete gives a solo look to camera.
58:14 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
58:14 Speaker 01 And at 12 minutes, 31 seconds, Tom gives a Jim kind of shrug to camera.
58:19 Speaker 00 I loved that one. I thought that was so good. Well, as this prank continues, it is really getting under Pam's skin. Like she is getting very flustered. I think particularly when he suggests that she pay the bill by drawing on the napkin.
58:36 Speaker 01 Oh, Jenna, if you need a boost, listen to the DVD commentary because Veda said she was so impressed with your performance.
58:45 Speaker 00 Aww.
58:46 Speaker 01 She said, you know, the way this was scripted is tough because Pam has to want to be on board to be pranked. But then also start clocking like, hey, that's kind of a dig. Okay. You're kind of going too far. And she said Jenna did such an amazing job. It was really sweet. Veda was showing you some love.
59:03 Speaker 00 That's really sweet. Well, it was kind of a fine line because everything that Veda said, part of the storyline was also meant. To further Pam's insecurity about the idea of being an artist.
59:16 Speaker 01 Oh.
59:17 Speaker 00 And, you know, because this is something that she wants, but Pam is not a person with a lot of certainty.
59:23 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
59:24 Speaker 00 All the time. And this was supposed to play on that. It was a lot for Pam to go to art school. It really was.
59:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:32 Speaker 00 And so this is meant to kind of discourage her momentum.
59:36 Speaker 01 Oh, that makes me sad.
59:37 Speaker 00 Yeah, I know. I know. I have to say, it was so nice reconnecting with Tug about these scenes. You know, he said he's still in touch with Blake. He still gets recognized for having been on the show.
59:51 Speaker 01 Oh.
59:51 Speaker 00 Something he told me that I thought was really special was that the day this episode aired, Dave Rogers called him personally, complimented his performance, and told him, hey, I wanted you to know that the bulk of the brother's scenes made it into the episode. And so when you see it tonight, it's there.
1:00:13 Speaker 01 That is so nice. No one does that. That was so nice of Dave.
1:00:17 Speaker 00 No one does that. And Tug said, you know, I'd done a ton of guest roles. And sometimes you tell your whole family to watch it and they watch it and your whole part has been reduced to one line.
1:00:28 Speaker 01 All the time.
1:00:28 Speaker 00 He said, so he was so excited. He called his friends and family and he was like, yes, yes, watch the show. I'm really on it. And the show was a big deal at the time. This was a big deal to him and his friends and family that he had been on it. So Dave Rogers, you are a gem. Tug, thank you so much. I want you guys to know that you can catch him on a show called Now We're Talking. It is a scripted comedy series. And he co-created it, produced it, and stars in it. And it was nominated for a WGA Award. It's produced by LeBron James and Maverick Carter's company, Spring Hill. But Office fans, if you check it out, you might see some Office alums on there. They've got Malcolm Barrett and Andy
1:01:13 Speaker 00 Buckley pop up on the show.
1:01:15 Speaker 01 Nice.
1:01:15 Speaker 00 So definitely check it out because this guy is amazing. Tug, thank you so much.
1:01:20 Speaker 01 So we finish out this Jim and Pam storyline. They're leaving the restaurant. The two of them are walking down the street and Pam's like, that's not exactly how I had that going.
1:01:27 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:01:27 Speaker 01 Like, I had a whole different prank. And she tells it to him. And then Jenna, Veda, shared that you ad-libbed the end.
1:01:34 Speaker 00 The line about him being bald?
1:01:37 Speaker 01 You ad-libbed, how about we prank him on Thanksgiving about him being bald? That was all you.
1:01:43 Speaker 00 I was really proud of that line. I thought that was funny.
1:01:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was really funny. So you had some improvs in this one, lady.
1:01:48 Speaker 00 I did. I really did. Now I think we should wrap up this Michael and Holly storyline, because they've arrived at Holly's charming little house in Nashua.
1:02:00 Speaker 01 I know. Anthony said in the script, he wanted it to be a basement apartment.
1:02:04 Speaker 00 Oh.
1:02:05 Speaker 01 But he was like, but we don't really have basement apartments here. So they found this little house in Angelino Heights.
1:02:12 Speaker 00 Oh.
1:02:13 Speaker 01 Isn't it so cute? I thought it was so cute.
1:02:15 Speaker 00 It brought up a lot of questions for me, though.
1:02:18 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:02:18 Speaker 00 If Holly was in Nashua, and she had to move her whole life and all her stuff and get rid of her house slash apartment that she had been living in and moved to Scranton, she was only in Scranton for, I think, like, less than two months. And now she has to move all the way back. And it was kind of breaking my heart for her. I was glad they picked a cute location, because I was thinking, oh, my gosh, she just left this city.
1:02:46 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
1:02:47 Speaker 00 But then I thought it tracks that she would know where to get a cute place if she was from there.
1:02:52 Speaker 01 Right. Maybe it's even her old place.
1:02:55 Speaker 00 Maybe it is. It's super cute.
1:02:57 Speaker 01 Super cute. Also, per Dave, they were really stressed about losing light. And they were going to be losing some of the crew, because they were going to leave to go film the Jim and Pam proposal scene with Ken Quappus.
1:03:12 Speaker 00 Yeah. So we would do this sometimes. We filmed the Jim Pam proposal during this episode's week of filming.
1:03:21 Speaker 01 Right. Because they had to build the whole thing. Sometimes the schedule just got wonky like that. So Dave was really on a time crunch here.
1:03:28 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:03:28 Speaker 01 To get this filmed.
1:03:29 Speaker 00 Well, Michael decides he's not going to stay. He had planned to stay for the weekend. I guess to help her unpack, it seems pretty clear that they're going to break up.
1:03:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03:41 Speaker 00 Because of the seven hour drive, that's really
1:03:45 Speaker 01 Only four hours, four and a half. They could have totally done it.
1:03:48 Speaker 00 They could have done it. I wanted to go into the TV and tell them, but.
1:03:53 Speaker 01 Anthony said that he wrote dialogue here for them saying goodbye and how, well, maybe I'll see you or maybe we'll go in this and that. And then in the moment, Amy and Steve just did this really big, long, lingering hug. And Dave was like, that's it.
1:04:08 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:04:09 Speaker 01 They don't need to have the dialogue. That hug tells you everything.
1:04:13 Speaker 00 We had a lot of mail.
1:04:15 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:04:16 Speaker 00 From Chris W, Chelsea C, Hanlon H, and many others, just asking a couple of questions. Number one, how was Michael planning to get back to Scranton if he and Holly hadn't broken up?
1:04:32 Speaker 01 Right? Neither of them have a car.
1:04:34 Speaker 00 That was the other thing. Did Holly not bring a car to Nashua? What'd she do with her car? Did she leave it in Scranton?
1:04:43 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:04:43 Speaker 00 They didn't tow it. I noticed. I looked for it. Poor Holly has just gotten dropped off with all her stuff, a mattress in like, you know, plastic wrap. No one is helping her unpack and she has no car and she's dressed for work.
1:05:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:05:02 Speaker 00 That's how we leave Holly in Nashua.
1:05:04 Speaker 01 I know.
1:05:06 Speaker 00 This whole storyline ends with such an amazing scene of Michael and Daryl in the car, driving back. Dave was really stressed because like you said, they were losing light.
1:05:18 Speaker 01 Yeah. He said Randall, our camera operator was going, come on, we gotta get this now. We gotta get it now. The sun was setting, but didn't it make for such a beautiful backdrop?
1:05:26 Speaker 00 Yes. It just meant that they didn't get a lot of takes. They had to nail it.
1:05:31 Speaker 01 Anthony said he loved that it was getting dark because you really got the sense that they spent the whole day together.
1:05:38 Speaker 00 I liked that too. Dave told me this is his favorite scene from the episode. Anthony said the same thing.
1:05:44 Speaker 01 Yeah. Anthony was very excited because this was his pitch and his idea. He talks about it right here.
1:05:49 Speaker 06 Yeah. This is my first ever episode of television that was written and got on to TV. So it holds a very near and dear place in my heart, this one. All the stuff with the breakup and oh, the thing with, um, oh my God, of course, the scene at the end where Michael's singing the blues, that's a special moment for me in particular because I do remember pitching that in the room. And it's one of those things as a writer, so many things you pitch, they might end up in other people's scripts, but they might end up in your script. And you're just trying to tell the story the best way you can. And every once in a while, you get a situation where something you pitched is in your script and it ends up being on the show and you feel like, oh, that's amazing. So that whole blues moment at the end when Michael Scott just doesn't get it, but still has the cathartic moment he needs at the end of that. I thought, I remember pitching that in the room and thinking, oh, that'll be fun to get to do. And then I got to write
1:06:34 Speaker 06 the episode and then I got to watch it happen. And it was getting dark and it was just a perfect little moment for us. And I just remember feeling like I have the best job in the world.
1:06:43 Speaker 00 I know those scenes.
1:06:45 Speaker 01 Well, I just love that. There is something so special about seeing your idea fully realized. And I just love that he shared that. Well, lady, we have one last scene.
1:06:56 Speaker 00 We do. You know, we don't really ever find out exactly how this Cornell interview application thing wraps up. I assume he doesn't get in, but that was never really the point. The point of this storyline was really Angela. Angela was the point. This was Dwight was performing for her.
1:07:18 Speaker 01 Right.
1:07:18 Speaker 00 And he's winding Andy up because he is jealous.
1:07:22 Speaker 01 That's right. Well, there was a hole runner. There were scenes between Angela and Andy where Andy's all worked up and Angela's trying to calm him down. And then Angela goes to Dwight and it's like, what the heck? Here's one of those deleted scenes.
1:07:38 Speaker 02 Why are you doing this to Andy? He once told me that Andy and I had different strengths. Well, he can't do what I can do. I can get into Cornell, but he doesn't know how to make food and shelter from a golden retriever.
1:07:54 Speaker 01 Even if you do somehow get in, that's not gonna make me leave Andy.
1:07:58 Speaker 02 No, but it'll make you respect him less.
1:08:03 Speaker 01 Yes, that's true.
1:08:08 Speaker 00 Oh, I wish that had stayed in.
1:08:10 Speaker 01 I know, because Dwight does get what he wants, right?
1:08:13 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:08:14 Speaker 01 I think Andy unravels in front of Angela, and whether Dwight gets into Cornell or not, she didn't care for it.
1:08:20 Speaker 00 No, not at all.
1:08:22 Speaker 01 And now we have this tag.
1:08:24 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:08:24 Speaker 01 Where Andy's gonna pay back Dwight, but of course, it's just so embarrassing. In fact, at 20 minutes, 51 seconds is one of my most popular memes.
1:08:32 Speaker 00 What, when you're rolling your eyes?
1:08:34 Speaker 01 Yes, Andy walks in dressed as a farmer with no shirt on and beets, and my character rolls her eyes and then puts her head into her hand.
1:08:42 Speaker 00 Oh, we had a fan question. People wanted to know, did Rain actually take a bite out of a beet at the end of the episode? Yes, he did, and that was improvised.
1:08:52 Speaker 01 Yes, and Vada said he did it in the last take. Very smart, Rain, if you're going to do it.
1:08:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, it was scripted that Andy tries to bite the beet, and that line about, oh, you're supposed to cook it first, that was in the script. But the button of Dwight being able to bite a beet, that was all Rain, all Rain Wilson.
1:09:13 Speaker 01 You guys, that was employee transfer.
1:09:16 Speaker 00 Yes, and we want to give a huge thanks to all the people who helped gather information on this episode. It was a bunch of people. Thank you, thank you to James Carey, Dave Rogers, Alicia Raycraft, Phil Shea, Anthony Farrell, and Tug Corker for sharing your memories. One final shout out for Tug. He and his wife own a wine bar.
1:09:38 Speaker 01 What?
1:09:38 Speaker 00 In Santa Monica, Angela. It's called Esther's. He's invited us to come down.
1:09:43 Speaker 01 Oh, what?
1:09:43 Speaker 00 Have some wine and cheese with them.
1:09:45 Speaker 01 Tug, we are there.
1:09:47 Speaker 00 Right? Well, he and his wife also do a podcast together called The Long Finish. You can find them on Instagram @TheLongFinish. Here's what they do. They open a bottle of wine and they discuss their life as they work together and raise three kids. He has a three-week-old baby.
1:10:06 Speaker 01 Tug.
1:10:07 Speaker 00 Right?
1:10:08 Speaker 01 Bless your heart.
1:10:09 Speaker 00 Right?
1:10:09 Speaker 01 You're in the weeds.
1:10:10 Speaker 00 They are in the weeds, but they still do this podcast about their life together. And Tug, we're coming to have wine with you guys.
1:10:17 Speaker 01 We sure are. And you guys, if you haven't watched the bloopers for this one, they're a must-watch. Go to the DVD box set. They're so good.
1:10:26 Speaker 00 I'm so jealous. I don't have this one.
1:10:28 Speaker 01 We gotta get it for you.
1:10:30 Speaker 00 I know.
1:10:31 Speaker 01 Well, you guys, sometimes life is a highway.
1:10:35 Speaker 00 And you gotta ride it all night long.
1:10:40 Speaker 01 Well, see you next week.
1:10:41 Speaker 00 See you next week. And this song will be in your head forever now.
1:10:45 Speaker 01 You know it. If you're going my way. Ow! All night long. Oh, yeah!
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