Kylie & Joanna Gaines on Marrying the Funny Guy, ‘Fixer Upper’ Shiplap Fever & Birthing a Starting 5 | Ep. 88

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie brought to you by Apple Gift Card! She’s joined by the interior designer, HGTV legend, and star of Fixer Upper: Joanna Gaines (22:45)! Kylie and Joanna go all in on what it’s like to marry the goofball (45:00), whether or not to go for five kids (26:02), the strictest parenting rules they have for their kids and Joanna even gives Kylie an impromptu design consultation (1:08:30). But before Jo joins the show, Kylie gives Jason a big birthday shoutout (2:29), and announces NGL will have a special episode to help the Real Ones with holiday shopping: Kylie’s Holiday Picks (4:59)! After that, Kylie breaks down the wildest thing that happens postpartum… the fundal massage (9:15), and reminds everyone that a baby’s first birthday is actually for the parents! Then, Joanna joins the show to talk about what it was like raising five kids while starting ‘Fixer Upper’ and Magnolia (22:45). They discuss when the best time is to introduce kids to social media, how to enjoy the individual stages as they grow up, and Joanna gives the pros to Kylie on why five kids is the best. Joanna and Kylie also bond over what it’s like to be married to the extroverted, funny guy and how they both had rocky first dates before they were won over (50:01). After that, Joanna gives Kylie advice on when to let your kids start dating, and grappling with the fact that some of your kids might go far away for college. Later, Kylie gives Joanna the floor to talk about putting shiplap on the map, millennial gray and some of her favorite trends (1:08:30). Lastly, Kylie asks Joanna some of her most pressing design questions and gets excited for her newest project: ‘Fixer Upper: Chip Bought a Mansion.’ . . Enter the Kylie’s Holiday Picks Giveaway: https://giveaway.nglkylie.com Check out our new NGL fall merch collection right now: https://www.nglkylie.com Support the show: Apple Gift Card: Visit https://applegiftcard.apple.com to learn more and gift one today. Pandora: Make this season uniquely yours. Shop in-store or online at https://Pandora.net KitchenAid: Make More Than Meals™. Shop now https://www.kitchenaid.com/countertop-appliances/stand-mixers Allstate: If it’s important to you, it’s important to Allstate. Switch to Allstate and you could save hundreds on home insurance today. NOT AVAILABLE IN EVERY STATE. Potential savings vary. Subject to terms and qualifications. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates: Northbrook, Illinois. Shutterfly: Find your perfect holiday card at https://Shutterfly.com/audio and start customizing today. Right now, you’ll get 40% off plus 10 Free Cards with promo code KYLIE. Details are on the site. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, Real Ones, can we talk about holiday cards for a second? Every year I tell myself, this is the year. We're gonna get a great family photo. Everyone will be looking at the camera. No one will be crying, throwing a hissy fit. Well, for four tiny humans, two dogs, that's absolutely not what happens. But at least it's real. I truly think every single time we go to take the picture, at least one person is not looking, and that's okay. The toughest individuals this year were the dogs. We could not get them to turn their butts around and face the camera at the exact same time. That's why I love Shutterfly. They make it easy to turn those real moments into a holiday card that feels like your family. Because when you capture those moments, it's clear that you're capturing the personality of your family as well.

• 0:43Kylie Kelce?

  We took our Christmas card photos on the beach this year because that's what's easiest. And a great holiday hack is using Shutterfly's Mail for Me service to address and mail your cards for you. Talk about a time saver. Find your perfect holiday card at shutterfly.com/audio and start customizing today. Right now, you'll get 40% off plus 10 free cards with promo code Kylie. Details are on the site.

• 1:09Speaker 01

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• 1:24Kylie Kelce?

  I think there's no denying that you personally put Shiplap on the map. Do people still bring this up to you?

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Every day. Would you have more kids? Five is a good number.

• 1:33Kylie Kelce?

  Is it? I'm gonna put the fun in fundal massage. Not really. They're terrible.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  Well, Chip has taught all of us, even me, I can't drop a thing because since all of my kids were little, he would call it an end of the world drill, where he would have like my favorite glassware or my favorite plate at the end of dinner. He'd be like, end of the world, and he'd throw it.

• 1:52Kylie Kelce?

  Not gonna lie, I don't know about you guys, but I think my kids have confused bedtime with party time. Okay? Because it feels like they check the clock. They're like, 8:30. Start the club music.

• 2:10Kylie Kelce?

  I need a snack. I need a back scratch. I need a water bottle.

• 2:16Kylie Kelce?

  I didn't brush my teeth. It's 8:30. It is time to close your eyes.

• 2:23Kylie Kelce?

  Let's get this podcast started.

• 2:30Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original brought to you by Apple Gift Card. I'm your host Kylie Kelce, amateur Irish dancer, trained until the age of 12, I think. Yeah. Every year, St. Patty's Day rolls around, and there's a video that resurfaces of me Irish dancing in a bar with kids.

• 2:52Kylie Kelce?

  I said what I said. Firm believer in waiting until after Thanksgiving to put up Christmas decorations. We don't do that November 1st thing around here, guys. It's not... We will give respect to Thanksgiving. And not necessarily for like all that it stands for, because like...

• 3:11Kylie Kelce?

  You know? Are we... I don't... Never mind.

• 3:16Kylie Kelce?

  Put some respect on that table. Also, I am wife to Jason Daniel. Born this exact day. That's right. This is November 5th. He was born November 5th, 2001. Yep, he's 25. Because of course, you got it, I'm 24. I'm kidding. What I will tell you is, I'm not gonna tell you what year he was born. Travis's jersey? What I will tell you is, that sucker's got five years on me.

• 3:50Kylie Kelce?

  And I will always have that.

• 3:54Kylie Kelce?

  Spring chicken. That's me. More importantly, today, my little G-pop is his birthday. I love a chance to celebrate him.

• 4:08Kylie Kelce?

  I love when the girls get to celebrate, like, girls getting to celebrate people's birthdays, besides the fact that they're obsessed with, is it time for cake? Is it time for cake? Is it time for cake? It's so sweet when they wake up in the morning and they run in, they're like, happy birthday. I want to wish you a happy birthday, Jay. I know you don't listen to the show because you've got bigger things to take care of and more important things to do, but I love it. And also...

• 4:39Kylie Kelce?

  He's about to be 40. Next year, he'll be 40, 4-0.

• 4:45Kylie Kelce?

  That's crazy.

• 4:48Kylie Kelce?

  Old, old, just a bag of dust.

• 4:53Kylie Kelce?

  But you know what he is? He's my silver fox.

• 4:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, he is. Mine. Anyway, coming up on today's episode, I'm gonna put the fun in fundal massage. Excuse me? Not really. They're terrible. I'm also gonna answer some fresh questions. The Real Ones have about ear piercing in the Kelsey household and getting an NWSL team to Philly. Guys, I'm trying. I want them here. I'm with you. After that, I'm gonna be joined by the iconic co-host of one of the best shows on TV, Fixer Upper. She's a designer of a generation, mom of five, Joanna Gaines. Oh, God. Guys. Guys. You're gonna want to stay tuned for this one.

• 5:42Kylie Kelce?

  Much like the way she designs a home. This conversation was like a warm frickin' hug. Before we get to all that, an exciting NGL announcement. Ooh, what is it? Since the Real Ones loved my very honest postpartum gift guide earlier this year, shout out to Witch Hazel Pads and Dermoplast, because they'll keep us going, we've decided to turn my gift guides into a brand new series. That's right. It's called Kylie's Picks. And it's gonna launch with a special holiday edition called, you guessed it, Kylie's Holiday Picks. Real creative. Look at us go. We like to keep it simple, okay? This will be a part of our Thanksgiving special dropping November 19th.

• 6:25Kylie Kelce?

  I'm going to reveal my top picks for holiday gifts this year, and most importantly, I'm dead serious, this was one of the most important things about planning this episode. I'm giving the Real Ones exclusive discounts, okay? Because here's what I think. I think if we start shopping on November 19th, that we will be ahead of the curve, that we will get things in time for the holidays, and we'll get a discount.

• 6:56Kylie Kelce?

  What could be, literally what could be better? We've been working on this since when? May? When did we start working on this?

• 7:06Kylie Kelce?

  Minimum May. We talked about it last year. We put it into action in May. We've been at this for a while. So I need you guys to get excited because I am very excited, okay? These brands that we have had come in was invite only, literally brands that I love because they're my picks. Get it? And 10 Real Ones will also be chosen to win a giveaway with an estimated value of $4,000. That includes one of everything on my list. That was not... That, I said those numbers and they were correct. Guys, happy fucking holidays. You can enter for a chance to win the giveaway, starting right now. You click the link in the description.

• 7:48Kylie Kelce?

  We're gonna reveal five winners on the show on 11/19 and five more on 12/3. So make sure you set your alerts. You think that's the little bell? Is that what it is? Yeah, the little bell. Click that. All right, that's it for announcements. Next up, let's get right into it with our Real One Comment of the Week, brought to you by Pandora. And this week's comment is from Tracy McDonald, who said, can we get Judge Jake to hook Jason and Travis up to a period simulator for the other podcast? Or this one? Whichever. First of all, I appreciate the proper terminology used here when she referenced the other podcast.

• 8:28Kylie Kelce?

  I think that this would be a fascinating experiment, and I'm 100% in. I love this a whole lot. We could get Jen Hamilton back on and she could coach them through labor.

• 8:42Kylie Kelce?

  Or not. She could just stand there and laugh with us. That would also be fun. Here's the only problem.

• 8:50Kylie Kelce?

  As much as I don't want to admit it, we're talking about two very tough individuals. I know. I know. I want to see them fall on their faces.

• 9:05Kylie Kelce?

  When they get hooked up to a period simulator, okay?

• 9:12Kylie Kelce?

  I would love to see them just absolutely writhing in pain on the floor.

• 9:18Kylie Kelce?

  But I fear that I have some insight into injuries that they have endured while still participating in football. And I think they may have been training for this moment. So I don't know, Tracy. I don't know that this is gonna be as satisfying as you think it's gonna be. I have to... I hate to be that person.

• 9:43Kylie Kelce?

  But I think they might be good at it. I know. They're just good at everything. I don't know what Donna and Ed were doing, but kudos to them because whether it's genetics, the way they were raised, or a mix of both, they're just good at everything. It's unnerving. But also, they're my family, so it's also great. All right, that's it for Real One Comment of the Week, brought to you by Pandora. Let's keep it moving with a little Doom Scroll of the Week, brought to you by KitchenAid. First up on Doom Scroll, if you don't know what a fundal massage is, I'm so happy for you. But I'm afraid it's time to find out. Queen Emma, the clip, please.

• 10:45Kylie Kelce?

  I'll be back in 45 seconds. Oh my God. Now,

• 10:52Kylie Kelce?

  for those of you who don't know, I do have the scientific definition here. This is a medical technique where a healthcare provider firmly squeezes or rubs on the top of your uterus through the abdomen to stimulate muscle contractions and prevent or stop heavy bleeding. In other words, the nursing staff will come in and basically take their hand at the top of your uterus and press down towards the exit

• 11:25Kylie Kelce?

  to, like it's saying here, force the contractions and stimulate your uterus contracting and hopefully preventing or stopping heavy bleeding.

• 11:40Kylie Kelce?

  Now,

• 11:42Kylie Kelce?

  this is a very accurate representation, and by that I mean, the humor in this is absolutely spot on.

• 11:51Kylie Kelce?

  It happens more often than you would like it to because you would like it to never happen. And once it's, the crazy part is, oh God, am I gonna say this out loud? I think I'm gonna say it out loud. We can bleep it if we feel that it's too graphic. The crazy part is, is that when that push happens,

• 12:12Kylie Kelce?

  so does a gush.

• 12:16Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. Mm hmm. Yep. I literally, I'm not kidding.

• 12:23Kylie Kelce?

  So like, after you have had all of that contractions for hours and your abdominal muscles are in, like, in pain and sore and you, you just did one of the most impressive physical feats of your life, no matter which way that baby came out, let's be always, always gonna say that.

• 12:47Kylie Kelce?

  And then they come in and they massage your belly.

• 12:55Kylie Kelce?

  I literally can think of the exact feeling. It takes your breath away a little bit. And

• 13:07Kylie Kelce?

  and it sucks ass. Okay, I'm gonna move on because I can't stop thinking about the feeling and it's kinda, ah, it's freaking me out. But I do love the humor that you tied into this because sometimes if you don't laugh, you'll cry.

• 13:20Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, for that. The last scroll, mom shamers will clearly stop at nothing, not even elite butter puns. Queen Emma?

• 13:30Speaker 03

  So my daughter turns one in a couple of weeks. We're having a birthday party and I was talking to this like group of moms, which I probably won't ever do again after this interaction. And everyone's talking and I shared like, oh yeah, like my daughter's, my daughter's birthday party is coming up. The theme is churning one. How fun is that? It's butter themed. And everyone, for the most part, was fucking normal. And then this one bitch goes,

• 13:56Speaker 03

  "Oh, that's interesting. Does she, does she like butter? We haven't introduced..." Fuck, if I know what his name is. I forgot it immediately. "We haven't introduced Jabba Daya to fast like that." First of all, okay, lame. Second of all, what? I was like, well, I mean, I guess she has had butter, but also like, this is for me to celebrate that I kept her alive for a year.

• 14:23Kylie Kelce?

  Guys, first birthdays are not for the child. They're not for the child. This mom nailed this thought. First birthdays are for the parents for keeping that child alive for one whole year. Woo woo. Okay?

• 14:42Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 14:44Kylie Kelce?

  Also, she brings up a great point. Okay?

• 14:52Kylie Kelce?

  They're one, they're actually just excited that they're probably gonna get to eat cake and people that they love are over at their house. Okay? Let's, that's that.

• 15:03Kylie Kelce?

  First birthday party is for mom and dad. You did a good job. You've been parents for a year. And let's celebrate the fact that they're here and that we love them and we've gotten to experience them for a whole year.

• 15:18Kylie Kelce?

  Lastly, let's, let's pack up that negativity. Okay?

• 15:26Kylie Kelce?

  And let's keep it to your fucking self. Or even better idea, get rid of it. Cause I don't think you need it either. Silly question. Now granted, I have four children. And I say I'm not qualified to give advice. So this is a genuine question.

• 15:45Kylie Kelce?

  By one year old, has your child not had butter?

• 15:52Kylie Kelce?

  Now granted, I don't think it was like, the way my older kids treat butter, but like now, like,

• 16:01Kylie Kelce?

  butter's basically a food group.

• 16:05Kylie Kelce?

  I can convince them to eat things if it tastes buttery. Now, does that always mean I'm adding butter? No. Sometimes it means that it's a chicken cutlet fried in oil and then salted nicely. Okay? Not too much salt. Don't get in my DMs about the fucking salt, please. God, no. Finn's my most recent. I'm trying to think of like what she knew at one year old that could have been a birthday theme.

• 16:33Kylie Kelce?

  I literally have nothing. Like ultimately, the thing that got her the most clearly like excited that was like a regular thing that she saw was berries or fruit. And you're telling me you want a fruit themed birthday party so that I have to have fruit all over the place, which then she will want to eat, which then she will shit nonstop for da- get out of here. I'm done with you. I actually, I'm done. I don't like this. Turns out, rage bait. Anyway, that's it for Doom Scroll of the Week, brought to you by KitchenAid. Joanna Gaines is coming up first. The return of Ask Me Some Things because Ask Me Anything needed boundaries. That's right. You guys reel it in. Good God. Ask Me Some Things is brought to you by

• 17:16Kylie Kelce?

  Apple Gift Card. Visit applegiftcard.apple.com to learn more and gift one today. Kylie, what would be the first thing you'd buy with an Apple Gift Card? The first thing I would buy with an Apple Gift Card would be another set of AirPods.

• 17:31Kylie Kelce?

  Why'd I say it like that?

• 17:34Kylie Kelce?

  You know exactly why.

• 17:39Kylie Kelce?

  Cause it's nice to have two AirPods. God forbid, your child finds your AirPod case. One time, I couldn't figure out who had the case. Someone had the case and had taken one out because my Bluetooth triggered on my phone, but it was chaos. Okay, first question, rapid fire from Stephanie. Do you have a favorite perfume or scent? Thank you so much for asking. I don't wear perfume very often, but I like Dolce and Gabbana Light Blue.

• 18:10Kylie Kelce?

  I've been wearing it for a very long time. High school? Yes. I love it. It's fresh and it's like kinda lemony. I like it a lot. Um, I,

• 18:22Kylie Kelce?

  oh, Queen Emma said, we've talked about what a Jason candle would smell like. What would a Kylie candle smell like? Probably Purell. Probably butter, pecan, coffee syrup.

• 18:35Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe a hint of wet dog.

• 18:39Kylie Kelce?

  I like to snuggle my dogs. I don't know what to tell you. That's that.

• 18:46Kylie Kelce?

  I, I do love the smell of laundry detergent. I know it's not healthy to have like the super smelly laundry detergent. I love this. I love the smell of fresh laundry. Like crisp linen. Queen Emma said, Jason. Insert winky face emoji here. Gotcha. Um, no, I would not smell like Jason.

• 19:07Kylie Kelce?

  Although I do love to snuggle him. I love to snuggle my dogs and I love to snuggle my husband. Okay, next up from just Gars. Do your daughters have their ears pierced? No, they do not. This has been a conversation that we've had multiple times. Wyatt has said that she wanted to get them done. I almost folded. And then when I was like, all right, she was like, no, I don't want needles in my ears. So um, I think it's gonna be a while. I did not get my ears pierced until I was 13 years old. That was my pediatrician's threshold. And my mom said, that's a great timeline. I like that. And so that's what we did. Now, I got my first holes.

• 19:50Kylie Kelce?

  And then when I was, I don't know, 20, I proceeded to get five more holes in my ears in one day, I think it was. No, four more holes in my ears one day. I don't know. I had fun later on in life, but I am not opposed to them getting their ears pierced. But I do want it to be a conscious decision. And I also would like to do it when they can take care of the piercing themselves. Like, I want them to hold the responsibility of using the ear wash and the Q-tip and cleaning off the piercing every day. So that they feel the responsibility of that decision. And lastly, from Maureen, Kylie, Philly needs an NWSL team, don't you think? Yes, I do, Maureen. Thank you for saying that.

• 20:34Kylie Kelce?

  The game that we went to watch in Chester at the Union Stadium was the US Women's National Team. And it was so much fun. The vibe in the stadium, everyone there was so excited to get to watch this team play. And it was a blast. And that was just a friendly. If that's what we're bringing to the table for a friendly, I feel like, give us something that's meaningful and that Philly can get behind. I really just don't think we'll disappoint you. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. That's it for Ask Me Some Things, brought to you by Apple Gift Card. I'll be back with Joanna Gaines after this. The holiday season can be stressful.

• 21:15Kylie Kelce?

  There's so much planning, setting up decorations, cooking, school events, not to mention all the Christmas shopping. So when I need a gift that's convenient and a crowd pleaser, I know I can lean on Apple Gift Card. It's one card for everything they love, and it's a great gift for everyone on your list. Plus, Apple Gift Card lets everyone choose exactly what they love. It can be used towards products like AirPods 5, iPad accessories, apps, games, music, movies, TV shows, and so much more. Plus, you can spend Apple Gift Card at any Apple Store location, in the App Store, or on subscriptions like Apple Music, Apple Arcade, and more. So if you're also a type C mom like me, always rushing around and occasionally forgetting to shop for the holidays until the last minute, Apple Gift Card is the perfect gift

• 21:59Kylie Kelce?

  because you can send it by email or pick it up in-store. So convenient. Visit applegiftcard.apple.com to learn more and gift one today. Real ones know I love a themed gift, but finding something that feels thoughtful and personal can be a challenge. That's why I love Pandora. From charms to engraveable pieces and sparkling designs, Pandora has something for every chapter, every milestone, and every version of you. This time of year, you guys know we're deep in football season. Pandora has a charm for that. Look at the little green helmet. For which team? You know exactly which team. I have everyone's letter. I have my little dangly hearts because, look, they add a little dimension to it. How cute is that? The girls get excited when they get to be represented in something that I'm wearing

• 22:44Kylie Kelce?

  or something that includes them. You can see like a little sparkle hits their eye because they know it's for them. Can you see the letter on there? Oh, I think you can. That's a J from a hubbin'. Whether you're adding a festive charm to celebrate the season or checking off your holiday gift list, Pandora makes it easy to find something meaningful. It's such a sweet way to be able to personalize something for someone. They really do have charms for everything that you could possibly think of. And they're a beautiful collection. Honestly, there's never a bad time to find something special at Pandora. Make this season uniquely yours. Shop in-store or online at pandora.net. Now, you have five. Tell me the lineup.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  The lineup is Drake is 21, Ella is 20, Duke is 18, Emmy is almost 17, and Crew is eight.

• 23:37Kylie Kelce?

  You guys have, you guys have the perfect mix. You went every other.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  It is. And it was just, and even the, you know, we were so, at that point in our lives, we weren't planning anything. We were literally just like flying by the seat of our pants. And I was like, oh, like, weren't planning this like four under four thing because at one point I had three in diapers still because I couldn't figure out how to like, I was still figuring out the potty training thing, but I just feel like it was so chaotic and fun. And I loved it. And now the way that they're so close.

• 24:10Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  Like this week, they were all home because it's my daughter's, it was her 20th birthday. And all the grown kids, like, don't on Crew, my little one, but the four of them are like the best of friends. And Chip and I just sit in the background and watch them and we're like, all of that was worth this moment.

• 24:26Kylie Kelce?

  Do you feel like because of the age gap that you have, that you find yourself sort of, I don't know, like more deeply engrossing yourself in what's going on with your youngest?

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Yes, that's what I feel like he's taught us is I now see the, what's happening and how fast it goes with my older ones. And like, you're holding this, like, I don't know how you'll be when your girls go out to college.

• 24:56Kylie Kelce?

  Terrible.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  I was a mess. I actually surprised myself. I didn't know I had that range of emotions in me. I was, I've always been very like stable and even kill. And once my first kid, it's like, I haven't stopped crying since Drake left. He's a senior in college and I still cry. Like, something woke up in me. And so now that I know what's coming, I'm like, oh, eight feels like he's eight. I know how fast this goes. And so that perspective is like, you know, I don't want to like hoard the kid, but I'm like, but also don't leave. Would you have more kids?

• 25:31Kylie Kelce?

  So it's funny, that was one of the questions that we talked about.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  Five is a good number.

• 25:36Kylie Kelce?

  Is it?

• 25:37Speaker 02

  And it's gonna be a boy. I think you should do it. I feel like you two thrive in chaos.

• 25:43Kylie Kelce?

  We do. We enjoy chaos.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Come on. Five is so special. Yes, I obviously give some time. When I had Crew at 40, I said, Chip, I want him to have more siblings. I really thought I'd have nine children. I mean, I'm that lady. Look at my hair. I don't look like a lady with nine kids. And he was not open to it. Guess who's open to it now?

• 26:05Kylie Kelce?

  Of course.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  You know what he's doing? He's telling everybody I'm pregnant. And just for the record, I'm not.

• 26:12Kylie Kelce?

  Hoping.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  He's literally, his parents came to the football game and he's like, Joe, tell mom and dad. So he's, he told our grown kids, mom is pregnant. My daughter said, I'm not coming home if this is true. He's like trying to speak it out into the universe. We did this speaking thing last week in front of 2,000 people. And he said, if anyone has any connection to TMZ, will you tell them that my wife is? So that whole audience thinks I'm pregnant. I don't know what's happening, but I'm not. I'm just saying Kylie busted out five. It's gonna be your little boy and it's gonna rock your world because it's totally different than girls. And it's another spot in your heart. Or even if it's a girl, great, because five girls is a party house.

• 26:56Kylie Kelce?

  It's a starting five, isn't it?

• 26:57Speaker 02

  It is. But I just love the number five. For, for people who thrive in chaos, it's the most fun. I'd have more babies if I could too, so.

• 27:06Kylie Kelce?

  If we have a fifth child, I'm going to come right back to this moment right here.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  Let me do the nursery.

• 27:12Kylie Kelce?

  Joe did it. It was, now I'm going to give you an intro because otherwise Emma will be very sad if I don't. Okay. And then we'll, we'll kick off like a more official version of this.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  I'm good with that.

• 27:25Kylie Kelce?

  She's the beloved co-host of one of my favorite TV shows, Fixer Upper, and unbelievable interior designer, co-founder of Magnolia, a mom of five, a fellow wife to a goofball husband, the unofficial ambassador for Shiplap. Don't worry, we'll get into that. And now she's officially, not gonna lie, Joanna Gaines, welcome to the show.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Kylie, thank you so much.

• 27:46Kylie Kelce?

  I'm so excited to talk to you because I have watched Fixer Upper forever. It feels like I do have to check though, because you guys are very strong in your love for Waco, Texas.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:02Kylie Kelce?

  I always check with my Texas guests. Are you, are you a Cowboys fan?

• 28:09Speaker 02

  Um, I'm a Chiefs fan.

• 28:11Kylie Kelce?

  I was hoping you were gonna say that. Did you hear? Did you hear? I almost misspoke.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Do you? Do you know that this is the rivalry in our house is that Chip grew up in Dallas? So he's for sure. His whole family are Cowboys fans. I grew up in Kansas.

• 28:23Kylie Kelce?

  Flaws.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  So I, I've always been a Chiefs fan. My dad is a Chiefs fan, so I am a Chiefs fan.

• 28:30Kylie Kelce?

  I love this so much.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  But hi Cowboys, you're awesome.

• 28:34Kylie Kelce?

  No, no, no.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  I grew up in Kansas.

• 28:36Kylie Kelce?

  No, go Chiefs. Go Chiefs and go Birds. Uh, we, I'm, I'm very glad you said that. We, in our research, I saw that you grew up in Kansas and I was like, I feel like she's an intelligent woman. And she will know better. Now, are you guys a big sports household?

• 28:57Speaker 02

  We are. All the kids are in sports. Um, Chip was, he played baseball. Um, we love sports. Duke is a baseball, football player. My older boy was a football player, volleyball, like it's, athletics is happening every night of the week. We love sports.

• 29:12Kylie Kelce?

  Is that fun?

• 29:14Speaker 02

  It's so fun. It's so fun. It's also chaotic because like tonight, there's a football game and a volleyball game two hours away. And so it's like, how do you do this as a parent?

• 29:25Kylie Kelce?

  Divide and conquer.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, but Crew, who's eight, we're like, I think he's gonna be a musician. My other four all were into sports, but.

• 29:36Kylie Kelce?

  I was gonna say, you've worn out the athleticism. Now you're gonna get your artsy.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  I'm like, hey, let's pick up the guitar, buddy. Like.

• 29:44Kylie Kelce?

  You've seen what you needed to see is what you're saying?

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I just don't know if he is gonna be, like Chip is like, like, you know, there's some natural things that come. And I'm like, well, you need to just work with him. But right now, like when my boys were eight and they were playing baseball, they knew the game.

• 29:59Kylie Kelce?

  Sure.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  Dude, uh, Crew, he is just having a blast being out there and he, he's doing the opposite of like, you know?

• 30:07Kylie Kelce?

  Is he the one looking for like four leaf clovers in the outfield?

• 30:10Speaker 02

  That's my boy. Yes. You know, he grew up in the garden, so.

• 30:14Kylie Kelce?

  I was gonna say, I feel like it's crazy because as much as yes, you can coach kids up and you can give them the experience and practice and all that stuff. I do think there is a degree of like, we can see it now with our kids and just like the way their movement develops where you're like.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:31Kylie Kelce?

  I don't think this sport's gonna be, you know what I mean? You start to be like, I don't know that the hand eye is there for you to be in a ball sport, you know?

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Well, Chip has taught all of us, even me, there, I can't drop a thing because since all of my kids were little, he would call it an end of the world drill, where he would have like my favorite glassware or my favorite plate at the end of dinner. He'd be like, end of the world. And he'd throw it at someone. And if it breaks, that means the end of the world, we all die. And so all of us know how to catch. Like you won't believe it. He can throw us anything and we catch because we didn't want the end of the world happening. Crew, we've died several times into the world drills. Are all your girls athletic? They do the sports?

• 31:14Kylie Kelce?

  Um, we, so we have seven, five, three and one.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Hold on. Seven, five, three. Wow. Wow.

• 31:23Kylie Kelce?

  Yep. Are.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  That's fun.

• 31:26Kylie Kelce?

  It seems as though our three-year-old, so our third, I'm not sure that she's going to be deep in athletics.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 31:38Kylie Kelce?

  And if she is, we might just need to find like a niche something.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  Right. Okay.

• 31:44Kylie Kelce?

  My second is like, like I played field hockey. I still coach field hockey. She's very much like, I'll play field hockey. And I'm like, that's very sweet of you. But she's our sweetest, like by far. Our oldest is trying soccer. She's trying gymnastics. She tried a little bit of Irish dancing. She's tried a few things.

• 32:07Kylie Kelce?

  She has some reviews and she does not let them, she doesn't hold them back. So recently she said, she said, like, I don't know why you keep doing this. And I said, keep doing what? She said, signing me up for soccer.

• 32:20Kylie Kelce?

  I was like, well, I've only signed you up for soccer three times at this point. This is your third time and you're doing great. That day she scored a goal and suddenly flipped the script. Like now she's like, I play soccer. I'm like, yes, I've seen it.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 32:35Kylie Kelce?

  Now, having experienced the different ages that you have experienced with your kids, do you have a favorite phase of motherhood?

• 32:43Speaker 02

  I love this question.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  I feel like I hate saying it because it's like, I'm in it right now. I feel like it's so weird because how much I've cried the last three years. When I dropped Ella off, I almost died because I couldn't breathe. I was crying so hard. I was in the room by myself because Chip stayed home with her. And I, I couldn't breathe. I thought I was gonna die. And I said to myself, if you don't pull it together, you're gonna die. So I was like, oh, pull it. Like I had to like coach myself out of death because it was so sad. This is, again, I didn't know I had that in me.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  But knowing that feeling of like, what is the word? It's not grief, but just like letting like what was is no longer there. Like the memory of it is what is like in my mind, but knowing that as a family unit, we're never gonna look like that again, like ever. Um, so there's that sadness. But then there's this other side that's so much bigger than that sadness of like, but they're becoming something so amazing. I'm so, like, this is to me right now, the most fun part. Last night I was like in the laundry room and I heard one of the kids say, mom, come hang out with us. And I'm like, oh, okay. So I put the laundry down and I ran in there and I was like, don't be a dork. Don't be a dork. Play it cool. And of course they were like.

• 34:02Kylie Kelce?

  Natural.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Making fun of me the whole time. And I was like, I guess this is part of it. Now I'm just the brunt of the jokes, which is why they want to hang out with me. But I love the stage because their brains are like, they're like friends, you know? They feel like friends to me.

• 34:16Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  And I think that's, is that kind of motherhood? Like every season you're like, oh, this is the best. I will say Kylie, when they were younger and we were building the business and building our family, it was just so chaotic. There's so much I don't remember. And maybe that's like my regret is like, it really did feel like we were treading water. I mean, financially, we were kind of busted. Like there were so many things we were fighting for. That it felt like a blur to me. So I'll often go like, what was it? I would try to feel it again, but that feeling, I just, it's sad because it was just so much happening.

• 34:51Kylie Kelce?

  Yep.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  Um, and so now just with that knowledge, I'm like, don't like hold it.

• 34:57Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I, I do want to ask on Fixer Upper, your home is always pristine.

• 35:04Kylie Kelce?

  But as someone with a horde of children myself,

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:07Kylie Kelce?

  Did anyone ever run through a screen door or something in the middle of filming? Like, was there ever any degree of chaos or is it truly the state of your home?

• 35:18Speaker 02

  So that was the state of my home, only because I'm like, I'm like a recovering perfectionist. Um, I was telling you earlier, I wear my hair like this to be like, don't be like, stop it. But, or, or is it because I'm Asian? Like I grew up with my mom as a, who was like tidy house is like, so it's just in me. It's an odd thing. Like at night, my final good night to the house is counters, vacuum around the island. I'm just a weirdo. So for me, because there, I think because our life was so chaotic, if my house isn't in order, it's like, it's, it's, I guess for me, it's like the grounding thing, then my brain can't function. So that's kind of how I am with everything. It's like, right now, like my office, my desk is kind of a mess

• 36:04Speaker 02

  behind this, but when I come into the day, I have to find the order or I can't start my day. So the house was clean, but that is just how I've always been.

• 36:12Kylie Kelce?

  I need some of that.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  And I made my kids help me. Like they knew where everything went. Like there was always a place for something. So, you know, but then I have my little sister who's like, it's chaotic. She has six kids. And I go in there and I'm just like, this life is happening and it's so fun. So I don't actually like trip out or I'm like, I love that she can be chill. And that's why Mikey is so cool because she doesn't care. And I'm like the uptight sister. And so that's the uptightness in me. I have, I have, my house is clean. It's clean.

• 36:40Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, I, I need a little bit of that. Now, having five kids, what is the most destructive thing that they have done to your house? Anything crazy?

• 36:51Speaker 02

  No, they do, it was more what happens on the outside of the house. All of my, well, Drake, my oldest and Crew were very obsessed with fire.

• 37:01Kylie Kelce?

  Love it.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  So they would just start many fires that thank God we caught them in time. Because now, you know, it's just kind of scary.

• 37:09Kylie Kelce?

  How were they starting them?

• 37:10Speaker 02

  They would start many bonfires in our backyard because they would see Chip do that with our burn pile. Cause we live on a farm. And so they would create these burn piles, but by and very close to the house.

• 37:22Kylie Kelce?

  Sure.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  So it's just stuff like that. It was more what was happening on the outside, but also the farmhouse. And it's evolved over the years. The fact that you watch Fixer is so funny. I'm like, I've tried to go back to like.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Because even those days, I don't remember. It is a weird thing how your body and your mind maybe like that. That was such a wild time for us that there's like a block in my brain.

• 37:49Kylie Kelce?

  I think sometimes it's like a protective.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  I think it is.

• 37:51Kylie Kelce?

  Like your, like your brain tries to protect you from the times where you're, you're in what I would refer to as like a survival mode. Like your brain is like, we just have to get. And I think that it's less, I, I always hesitate on calling like what we're in right now, survival mode, because I think that people who have kids that are older are like, no, you should love it and you should enjoy every second and all these things. I'm like, guys.

• 38:15Speaker 02

  It's not, it's hard.

• 38:17Kylie Kelce?

  You're telling me because you're looking back and being like, I miss it. But in that moment, you were also having the same, it's almost like a, just like a, like a mental response, like a, like a psychological response of, of protection of yourself.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  I think that's what it is.

• 38:32Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 38:33Kylie Kelce?

  Cause I, I experience that now. Like I realize that I'm, yeah, that I, that like something has happened. I'm like, oh, I completely forgot about that.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Hmm. Yeah. I think it's a protection thing. I think even when I think about Fixer and we were so naive getting into it. We honestly didn't know what it was going to become. We didn't, we didn't watch the shows. We didn't know, like HGTV, we just didn't know. And so even putting our kids on, like, we thought this is going to be a local commercial for our business. And then when it became this thing and we were doing 18 to 25 houses a year for the show and then houses on the side and then building the retail store and building our family, our kids were little. They were, I think we homeschooled them at that point because we, I couldn't like get them to school on time. Um, I don't, I'm trying to remember

• 39:26Speaker 02

  the, my point is, is like, now we do one Fixer a year.

• 39:31Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  And I'm like, it's exhausting. I don't know how we did that, especially at that stage where our kids were little. And but again, I, when I look back, I do look back with this like fond sense of like, Chip and I've always thrived in chaos. Like it's just us. We, from the day we got married, we were doing things we probably shouldn't be doing. And then they pan out to be pretty cool. Like, we were just always chaos. Like four kids, really quick, our business, this Fixer thing. And so part of me is just like, this is our life. Like, well, this is what I signed up for because I married Chip Gaines. Um, but it is fascinating to me that all we were doing in that five year window of Fixer, now I look back and the stamina I have for just one Fixer is like, woo, we did, we literally,

• 40:16Speaker 02

  it's, so it's just, it's crazy. Um, but even with the kids, I, I hear that now because now that my kids are, they're older. I think it shocks people because they like froze in time. And when I see those moments, like on the show, like, we don't watch it. I can't watch it. You know, I just, I don't want to relive it. But it is, when I see my kids, I'm like, how are they adults now? And I think it's shocking. Like, all my kids today are going to go on the grounds and shop because we have this big vendor fair. Today's like our opening day for celebration. So we've got a hundred vendors on the grounds and all my kids are going to go shop it. No one knows who they are. Like they go and no one knows they're ours. Where back then, when they were that age and we were naive and didn't know, like the world's going to see them and people were noticing them left and right.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  And it was a bit hard for my kid, of course. Like, I didn't know I was.

• 41:04Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Signing them up for that, which is where, once I knew, that's when we like pulled it and we're like, you're never seeing, I don't, I just want my kids to feel like their own thing.

• 41:15Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  And not like, oh, you're Chip and Joe's kids. And so now seeing them as they get older and no one knows, it's kind of fun to see them in this iteration of like, they're going to our business and getting to be in it like a normal person. No one's going to mess with them. But when they're little, they got messed with. And I don't even know why, how I segued into that. Again, it's not like I am upset about it, but it was just, we were so naive. Like what, what, what were you thinking?

• 41:40Kylie Kelce?

  I do think that that is like even something that we have navigated now. Like our kids are young and, um, obviously there are situations we can't control, like being out in public and whatever. And, um, and also like, I always say, like, we're not gonna like hole up in our house and like, keep our kids hidden. Like, we're not hermits. We would like them to go out and experience the world. But at the same time, like, it is, it is interesting to try and navigate those moments with kids. Because I always explain it that I think that people sort of lose sight and, um, their excitement overrides like social etiquette

• 42:23Kylie Kelce?

  or like proper social behavior. That like their excitement is like, oh my gosh, that's whoever. And it's like, whoever is five years old.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:33Kylie Kelce?

  And like they, every single time we get out of the car when we're going somewhere, I'm like, just because someone knows mom's name does not mean that mom knows them. Or just because someone might call you by your name.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 42:46Kylie Kelce?

  You might not know them. And so those are the moments where I'm like, I have to prepare my seven, five and three year old for adults that like can't get on the other side of an appropriate social interaction.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  But you're doing so good, Kylie. Cause we weren't, we were like, the process you're processing with your kids, even that took us a second to, because we were processing it as like very normal Waco people. Like, we were shocked every time someone came up to us. Like, wait, you know, like it was, we were still trying to figure out, how do we absorb this? That, you know, now obviously the hindsight of it and getting to, but I love that how healthy that is, just your conversation with your kids and how you approach that.

• 43:31Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, it's, it's.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  They'll be ready for that.

• 43:33Kylie Kelce?

  Well, it's, it's crazy. And I, I hope that they are prepared for that. And I hope that they don't feel mostly just uncomfortable, right? Like, you don't want to put your kids in a situation where they don't feel comfy. But, um, one of the things I mentioned earlier, I think it's safe to say that we both married the funny guy.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure. The life of the party. Every time I walk in the room, the question is where's Chip? I'm like, yeah, he's, he's coming. Or he's not. I mean, I'm always like, what about me?

• 44:02Kylie Kelce?

  I'm fun too.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  I'm fun.

• 44:05Kylie Kelce?

  Um, how many years have you guys been married?

• 44:08Speaker 02

  We got married in 2003 and we are now in the year of 2026, so 23 years.

• 44:14Kylie Kelce?

  What's the secret for 23 years?

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Oh, um, what's the secret? Well, I love just how opposite we are. I do feel like once you, once you understand that Chip's strengths and my strengths are very different, but together it really does create like magic. There's a tension there, but then there's like a power there that really happens when you embrace it versus like, that, you know, how some people are like, I think for both of us, we're okay evolving. It's not like this is who I am and that's who you are. Um, we're constantly like pushing each other to our best in the season. Um, and it really is because of Chip. I mean, if it were up to me, I'd have, I'm like, I'd have been the same person I was at 14. Like, I always

• 45:00Speaker 02

  joke, I'm literally wearing the same brand eyeliner, blush and lipstick since I turned 13 and I was allowed to wear makeup.

• 45:08Kylie Kelce?

  Besides the tidy house, I think we're the same person.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Like, I just don't, I love the predictability that, whatever. And then Chip is just like challenging me every day of like, um, but I think it's, it's, it's holding each other's differences with this respect and almost this awe. Like, I look at Chip and I'm like, dang, you're just, I'm so jealous of the way he can just be Chip and say it and not care and not carry it. He's just good at that. And then he would say on the other side, hey, I like how you're a little more thoughtful. And when you say like, we're just, so I think that. And I also think being in, I feel like in every season, even though I call it chaos, but finding that discomfort in every season and working through that together really does make you stronger. And Chip and I would say every year, there's always something that's uncomfortable or that's challenging us. We're never, we, we've never had the

• 45:57Speaker 02

  luxury of just like coasting. It's always been like, what's the challenge of the week? Or, and you know, back then in 2008, the challenge was how do we pay our employees? How do we pay our vendors? How do we not go bankrupt? And, you know, the challenge this week is a little different, but it's like, there's always a challenge so that we're never just comfortable with each other. And we're always learning something new.

• 46:17Kylie Kelce?

  That would be, that would be very boring.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  Yes. And that was a very long answer, but even like last year, we took up country dancing. Like, let's go. So it's like, how do you, and Chip was so nervous. When we were dancing with the instructor, he was like sweating so much. I'm like, Chip, what are you doing? You're like, and he's like, I'm so nervous. And I, and so the other weird thing, and I don't know if this has happened to y'all, but there's a shift happening and I am turning more into Chip and Chip is turning more into me. And that's funny to watch. So just like I said, with our kids, there's this unfolding that happens every year. And you're like, who are you? And this is fun. This is really me and Chip. Like we're moving into the season of every year. He's turning a little more introverted and I'm turning a little more extroverted.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  He's turning a little more risk averse and I'm like a monster. I'm like, let's go. Like, I'm like, Chip, we're just getting started. And he's like, no, we're retiring. And so we're literally, we're, we're like, it's like dating all over again, getting to know each other.

• 47:15Kylie Kelce?

  He's used up all of his, uh, social tokens. He's, and you're like, I've been saving mine.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. For 45 years. So enjoying the unfolding, enjoying the evolution, but also always pushing each other to a way that's like good and not pushing in a naggy, like you're the worst. It's more like, I don't know.

• 47:34Kylie Kelce?

  I just, it's an encouraging, it's an encouragement. Yes. Now, I do love that you guys have shared some of your traditions with fans, like on Valentine's Day, when Chip has painted the silos with love notes to you.

• 47:48Kylie Kelce?

  What is the most romantic thing that Chip has ever done for you?

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Oh, I still, my favorite thing, he, when we were engaged, he, he used to love writing poetry. He actually, I'm like, when's the last time he wrote me a poem? But he, but his poetry was like, red, dead, Fred, set, like, it's just like.

• 48:10Kylie Kelce?

  A little Dr. Seuss-ish.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  And I'm like, that, that's good. Um, but he, he wrote me this poem and I was reading it. And, um, then he drew me, he, he didn't draw me, he got these daisies. I don't, I don't even remember how he did it. But he pressed these daisies, wrote the poem and underneath the petals of the daisies were these two diamond earrings, like in the petal. I don't even know how to explain it, but he was such a romantic where he would just, we still write each other letters, like we, you know, he'll write me a letter by the coffee. We always try to see where they can find it. He's just, he's just so good. He, he's just, he's a romantic at heart. He's a connector. And he's like that with everyone. Like that's what I think Chip loves about people is like that connection.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  And that's why I think, um, for him, like in the world we're in today with social and all the things, he's like, that's not real. What's real? And so he just pushes for what's real. And I love that. Like it's just, he's good.

• 49:04Kylie Kelce?

  Now I've told the story of how Jason and I met a few times. Uh, he famously fell asleep, uh, at the table after quite a few drinks.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  What do you do when that happens?

• 49:16Kylie Kelce?

  I left.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Did you know him before?

• 49:20Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Was that really your first date?

• 49:21Kylie Kelce?

  It was the first time I ever met him, a friend of mine and I.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Was he kind of drunk before the date?

• 49:26Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, he was obliterated when I got there. He, this only lasted 45 minutes.

• 49:32Kylie Kelce?

  This lasted 45 minutes and, um, he fell asleep on the bar table. After 45 minutes, my friend and I went there because we thought it was a catfish. We had come to this conclusion. We met on Tinder.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Unbelievable.

• 49:46Kylie Kelce?

  And we, my friend and I came to this conclusion of like, it has to be a catfish. There's no way, like.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  So she went with you?

• 49:53Kylie Kelce?

  So she went with me for safety purposes and also because if we were going to laugh about it, we wanted to both have.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 49:59Kylie Kelce?

  Been there for the story.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:00Kylie Kelce?

  And we walked in, it was actually him. And so then we were like, oh, this is, it's still kind of funny.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  What was he doing?

• 50:06Kylie Kelce?

  At the bar with his friends after the Eagles Christmas party. So they had gone to the Christmas party, had a lot of fun. We'll call it.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 50:16Kylie Kelce?

  And then 45 minutes after I got to the bar, he was asleep with his head down on the bar table. And so my friend and I just, we left. We were like, it's nice to me, you know? And we left him there with his friends. He was safe. He, his friend carried him home. It was fine.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my goodness.

• 50:35Kylie Kelce?

  But I've heard that you also have a memorable, memorable first date story.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Yours is pretty memorable. Mine is just more that Chip was like, okay, he was like almost an hour and a half late. He always gets mad when I say that, my baby, you were. And, and he always tells our girls, if a guy is an hour and a half late, do not open the door. What was I doing? And so I was trapped. I was at my sister's apartment with her roommates. And he was supposed to be there at seven and it was okay, maybe like eight 15, but like every five minutes I was like, okay, let's not open the door. Let's not like, I was like mad, but I also was like, I don't know what else to do because I actually really liked him when we met at my dad's Firestone. So like literally the story is a joke. Like I, he was coming to get breaks and.

• 51:21Kylie Kelce?

  Oh.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  He was coming to get a break job at the Firestone because he'd seen me on commercials and he didn't need a break job. Cause when I looked at his, um, like his history, he got like a break job four times a year. Tires when he didn't need them, just because he wanted to meet the girl in the commercials. We meet and he says, aren't you the girl in the commercials? And right off the bat, I was like, ugh. Like, every time a guy says that, you're like, no. But anyways, we, I, I really liked our conversation. And then we go on this, then he comes to pick me up. So I remember he's a good guy, but I'm like, he's late. Like he's literally late.

• 52:00Kylie Kelce?

  What was his excuse?

• 52:02Speaker 02

  It's a mystery. He won't tell me. I guarantee you, he was either like breaking up with this, something funny. And I kind of like that. I don't know. It's just fun. It's like the one thing I don't know about Chip. But to his point, when he came in, he was like so disheveled and like frustrated and upset. Cause so he was working through some stuff with somebody.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  But what's funny, so I opened, opened the door, my sister, everyone's like mad at him. And I'm just like.

• 52:33Kylie Kelce?

  He's the enemy.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  He, they are like mad and I am just like, uh, I can have like a hard exterior for a second, but I'm like a actual softie. And I'm like, hmm, I like felt sorry for him. I wasn't mad anymore. The date was wonderful.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  And then, I mean, I don't know. I wish I could say more because I, he just won't tell me. And I think he also likes that it's a mystery, but went on a date. And then this is a side want, want story. But I was a gymnast growing up and so I had to have back surgery, like randomly right after that date. And we were supposed to go to coffee and I like text him, I think, cause we had phones then. Did we have phones? I only say that because he had to collect, call me a couple of times. I don't remember. I just couldn't make the date and, um, I had to have back surgery. So we didn't talk for like four months. I was like, oh, that was fine. Like, and so it was over. And then.

• 53:30Kylie Kelce?

  And then it wasn't.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  And then he called me and he says this, he was like, I'm tired of playing these games.

• 53:36Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  I was like, what games? Like, I was like, cause he was waiting for me to call him. And I was like, well, I'm not calling you. Like, so he was like, I'm thinking I was playing a game with him. In my mind, it was like over. And then we went on it. We went to a basketball game and then from there it was like, we were engaged like a year later.

• 53:53Kylie Kelce?

  That's such a nice mystery to have of like, what was happening in that hour and 15, hour and a half.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  I know it involved a past relationship. I know it did, but I just don't know what. And then even in that, even in that three months, I'm like, whatever.

• 54:08Kylie Kelce?

  I will say, it's kind of romantic though, to think that maybe it wasn't, maybe it was like the, hey, I have to cut ties here because I'm about to step into what I know is about to be the most magical thing that's ever happened in my life. I'm going with that.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Man, to go back, you want to talk about a reality show, watching us date? Like when Chip said he loved me three months in, which I was like, that's aggressive. Again, I'd never dated. So I was like, you don't say that until we're married at the altar. Like literally dorkwad. Um, and when he said, I love you, we were playing basketball in the front yard. And he was like, I love you. And I go, thanks. And he goes, thanks? And I goes, thank you. I didn't know. Like, why are you shocked? He wanted me to say I love you back. He grabs the basketball and leaves like a little boy. And I was like, what happened? I didn't even know. I didn't even know. Like, oh, you say I love you back. Like I literally was learning how to date with Chip Gaines. So bad.

• 55:11Kylie Kelce?

  Thanks.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Thanks. We didn't kiss until.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Four months into the thing because my body language was this. Don't even think about it.

• 55:22Kylie Kelce?

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• 56:07Kylie Kelce?

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• 56:51Kylie Kelce?

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• 57:35Kylie Kelce?

  They make it easy to turn those real moments into a holiday card that feels like your family. Because when you capture those moments, it's clear that you're capturing the personality of your family as well. We took our Christmas card photos on the beach this year because that's what's easiest. And a great holiday hack is using Shutterfly's Mail for Me service to address and mail your cards for you. Talk about a time saver. Find your perfect holiday card at shutterfly.com/audio and start customizing today. Right now you'll get 40% off plus 10 free cards with promo code Kylie. Details are on the site. Okay, real ones, can we talk about holiday cards for a second? Every year I tell myself, this is the year. We're going to get a great family photo. Everyone will be looking at the camera.

• 58:20Kylie Kelce?

  No one will be crying, throwing a hissy fit. Well, for four tiny humans, two dogs, that's absolutely not what happens, but at least it's real. I truly think every single time we go to take the picture, at least one person is not looking and that's okay. The toughest individuals this year were the dogs. We could not get them to turn their butts around and face the camera at the exact same time. That's why I love Shutterfly. They make it easy to turn those real moments into a holiday card that feels like your family. Because when you capture those moments, it's clear that you're capturing the personality of your family as well. We took our Christmas card photos on the beach this year because that's what's easiest.

• 59:01Kylie Kelce?

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• 59:21Speaker 01

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• 59:36Kylie Kelce?

  Now, when it comes to parenting kids, which of you, now I know what it is in our case. I am definitely the strict parent. My husband is more the fun parent. Is it the same for you guys?

• 59:48Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. He's like telling my 16 year old, okay, I need you to start experimenting, like let's go on dates with boy. And I'm like, experimenting? No, she's 16 years old. But he's like, you just need to learn. And I get it, learn to talk to boys, like go on dates. He is very much an encourager of putting yourself out there. And I'm one to like, hey, you guys, I didn't start dating till I was like 24 and look at me. I'm just great. Like you, and Chip's point is like, yeah, but you were kind of weird. Like I want, I want my kids to like, understand, like when they go to college, and I love this, his point is like, we work through it with them here. So when they go to college.

• 1:00:31Kylie Kelce?

  They're prepared.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think that's really, really good. But I also think at 16, you're just young and like, hmm, there's like this, do you need to open that up yet? So, but what I love is my kids are so, they're me. So they're like, okay dad, but they're not.

• 1:00:50Kylie Kelce?

  They're busy.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. But my boys, they're, they both have, they have their girlfriends. My girls are kind of like, hmm, they're a little more like me where they're just like, when it needs to happen, it'll happen.

• 1:01:00Kylie Kelce?

  I'll meet someone, it'll make me change my mind.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yes. Oh, good luck though with four girls dating and she's the dynamic of that.

• 1:01:10Kylie Kelce?

  I've said multiple times that our oldest is so like, she will bat her eyelashes at any boy she gets, like any boy she sees, she's batting her eyelashes. She's like looking at him out of the side of her eyes. I'm like, you know what? I can sleep soundly at night knowing that it will probably take until she's in college for boys to be mature enough to realize that like her being a force is actually like a great quality. So I have time.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:45Kylie Kelce?

  Cause I think the boys in high school are going to be like, whoa.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:51Kylie Kelce?

  But for, for now, I can, I think I can chill out. But yeah, I think, I think that I'm going to, I didn't have, I didn't date until I was 18 and even that was like, I was like, I think I had a boyfriend for like three or four months. And then I was like, that was enough of that. And then like a little while after I dated someone else for a little while and I was just like, huh, you know, like it just, so I don't, I'm hoping that they are on that track.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  For our sweet children that we didn't, and I know social media, that's such a topic right now. It's been one, like, how do you navigate that? Like I think especially with girls and, and identity. Now it's not just a boyfriend thing. It's like the identity of like who you are socially versus who you are internally, what the whole thing is just a complicated thing for them to navigate. So it's like, how do we raise these really cool humans that are like fine with it, fine without it, but it doesn't mark them?

• 1:02:54Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. I think the fine with it and fine without it is the most important. Like it's fine with and fine without, not only for like social media that, that like we're in the process of like, our kids are getting a little bit older, the conversation of like, when do they get cell phones? Like we're in all of those conversations and which is crazy to think that our oldest is seven years old and people are like, well, when is your kid getting a cellphone? And I'm like, what?

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:18Kylie Kelce?

  She's seven.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Kylie Kelce?

  Like it's, it's moments like that, but the can do with and can do without is great because it's like you're emotionally prepared to handle those challenges that come along with social media. You're also fine to not be involved in it.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:36Kylie Kelce?

  You don't feel like you're missing out. You feel secure enough in yourself that like, I don't need to be hanging out scrolling to think that like, I'm not involved.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. But also the, there's, there's two ways that even like with one of my kids that went to this big public school, she, we didn't let them have social, and this is what's funny. This is where it switches. It's Chip. He's like, you're not having social till you're 18. Like, so there's so many ways where he's like fun dad and like go experiment, but then there's certain areas where he doesn't play. And I think social media was one where he always had a very hard line. And so when she went at 17 to this big public school, it's like, okay, what's your social? What's your snap or whatever? And she had to navigate her way through that because that's the only way they connect at that age.

• 1:04:21Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  But the confidence that she came having, not having to have it and just being the one that didn't have it is now what I see now, she's just a bolder, braver girl and she's fine with it or fine without it. And I'm not saying that's gonna happen to all my kids because we're still like in that navigation, but it's just, there's something about it not being wrapped up in those years, entangling their little minds as they're becoming. It's just so, but it's, it's, I think to each his own, every family has their own thing. And I think as long as, um, like have y'all talked about when they date, when they wear makeup, when they're doing social, like, do you have that plan?

• 1:04:56Kylie Kelce?

  We do not have that plan. I think that it'll roll out. So I have said, and, and my husband's just like, yeah, that makes sense about having cell phones. I've talked about that will have kitchen phones that'll basically be cell phones that like, if they are going in seventh, eighth grade to a, a sports practice, they will take the cell phone with them. Otherwise the phone will live in the kitchen and like, everybody will have the code to the phone and they can text their friends on the phone, they can call their friends on the phone, but the phone lives in the kitchen. So like, if you're using the phone, you are also in the kitchen or on the first floor of the house. And you're not going to have social media, you're not going to be like Snapchatting people. That will not be the case. And just having the awareness of like, well, my sisters also will be using this phone

• 1:05:40Kylie Kelce?

  and mom and dad have access to this phone.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:43Kylie Kelce?

  Knowing that like you're being, not necessarily that I want to be in your business, but like I will monitor you if necessary.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:50Kylie Kelce?

  Um, just because I think like this idea of like this freedom of like what's on the internet, having access to that on any cell phone, what's, it's just to me, I don't think it's like a necessary thing. And like you're talking about with like can do with, can do without, like yes, you should know how to work a device and you should know how to use technology, but at the same time, I don't think you need unlimited access to all of the information on the internet.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:06:16Kylie Kelce?

  I don't even want access to all the information.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  Grown adult, like what's not good for us.

• 1:06:21Kylie Kelce?

  Correct. So like I, I, we've had the conversation of the kitchen phone. We have, I feel very strongly that I don't want our kids to have social media. Probably 16 feels like the absolute earliest. I would love to wait until they go to college because I think that that's, but again, to me, 16 is like, okay, maybe we get a year or two in where you're under our roof and you're in this house and I get eyes on it. It's like, it's the craziest thing also because when I was in high school, that was sort of like smartphones were happening and we were learning that and we were having access to more information and we had social media.

• 1:07:02Kylie Kelce?

  And to me, it feels like there's a chance that in 10 years, when our oldest is 17, is there going to be something new that we have to be like, do we put a, do we put a boundary on this?

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, there will be, yeah.

• 1:07:17Kylie Kelce?

  I do think it's really important, you said it a couple of times about like not having judgment for the way other people raise their kids. And I think that that is, I think that people lose sight of the fact that like the decisions that parents make for their own children is what creates unique individuals.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 1:07:33Kylie Kelce?

  And isn't that like one of the most beautiful things? Like ours, I always, I always think back to like, Jason and I were raised differently and not in a bad way, but like my in-laws made my person. And so like, those are the moments where you can appreciate like the way you're raised, whether it's similar, different, whatever, it makes a unique individual.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:56Kylie Kelce?

  And how beautiful is that that like the world is full of unique individuals?

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  And we're all guessing.

• 1:08:01Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  I mean, we're all guessing.

• 1:08:02Kylie Kelce?

  So no one knows what we're doing.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  No, we, no one knows. And I think that's what I love is like, we're all guessing and we're all really rooting for each other. And I do think there's times where people turn on each other like, how dare, why, what? And it's just like, it's again, the trust in those are your children, how you, I can't, I can't wait to celebrate who they become, but it isn't, I mean, it's, it, it should look different. We're creating like these little human beings that are different than anybody on the planet earth. So it's not going to have a formula. It's not going to have a, and every kid is so different. I mean, that's the other thing. It's like one kid that can have social at 16, another one couldn't have it till they're like 80. Like it's just, there's not a formula that it's like copy paste. So I do, I always, I always hate when we, when I talk about social, because I feel like

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  if we did it at 18, then I don't want anyone feeling bad for doing it at 12. It's just, that's what, when we see our kids and we see our life, we're like, this is what's right for us.

• 1:08:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  And then trusting that whatever you do is right for y'all. It's like fun, we're all guessing and let's just all wish us luck.

• 1:09:03Kylie Kelce?

  We are all winging it. We're winging it.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  We're winging everything. We're winging, I'm winging this, like everything. No one knows the answers. That's what I'm learning about all of this. We're all, you just be a good guesser. Hopefully we're good guessers.

• 1:09:17Kylie Kelce?

  Now shifting gears a little bit, I said this in your intro as well. I think there's no denying that you personally put Shiplap on the map.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 1:09:25Kylie Kelce?

  Do you think that's fair to say?

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  I mean, I think the word, because even the day we found it, I didn't know what it was called. I was like bored. Chip put Shiplap on the map by discovering that's what it's called. Yes, I think in a lot of ways, the awareness of Shiplap was heightened because of Fixer.

• 1:09:42Kylie Kelce?

  Do people still bring this up to you?

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  Every day.

• 1:09:45Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, I thought it was going to be like, is it only me?

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  No, it's like hashtag Shiplap.

• 1:09:50Kylie Kelce?

  Do they really?

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  Yes. Because I, yeah. And you know what's funny is like, I can only imagine like someone in music, like a band that is still making music, like.

• 1:10:03Kylie Kelce?

  And people are still referring to their.

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  Like I just saw that you two, you know, they, they've got this new album and I'm so excited, but it's like, you know, they're still talking about the one that, the one. And I'm like, oh man. But let me tell you about Shiplap. I'm going to defend myself here because every now and then I'll see like on social, it'll be like, the modern farmhouse aesthetic is over. Like, like you hear all this, but it's like in real life, in 2013 and 2014, when the modern farmhouse aesthetic was rising, it really was like people wanted the open floor plan, people wanted, and that's when our lives got captured in that moment and time.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  And the hardest thing was I would do client meetings at the farm and there was Shiplap on the wall. So the clients would say, I want what your house looks like, can I have Shiplap on the wall? So I, so that's really how the Shiplap, like everyone got Shiplap.

• 1:10:58Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  And then they're also like, I like how your space is open. And so these clients really spent their money and they really asked for these designs. I can see how five seasons of it looks like JoJo is modern farmhouse aesthetic, but it's almost like the, what, because I kept going, Fixer kind of ended in that, those series, I kept evolving. So it does feel like, you know, when you, when you go back to your modern farm, I'm like so not that, that's like so opposite of who I am, only because I'm all about like story, history, blah, blah, blah. I'm not really modern at all, but it's probably a chip on my shoulder, honestly. I did try to plaster my Shiplap at the farmhouse this year. Cause I was like, yeah, let's do something new here.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  My kids and Chip wouldn't let me, but.

• 1:11:48Kylie Kelce?

  I see.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  I was doing that out of something else of like, I just want change and I did change my whole kitchen and I changed some stuff, which feels really fun. It's a little more like European, but it's like old farm. Like that's the thing is like, I love old farm. I live on a farm. My house is over a hundred years old. I love history. I think the modern farm thing is where I kind of got pinned, but that's really not me. If that makes sense, maybe my clients.

• 1:12:12Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  You pushed a button.

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  But I love a lot of style. Like, I don't even know what this is. I don't know what my office is, but then my other room was like moody.

• 1:12:23Kylie Kelce?

  Don't worry, I was going to ask about that library off the record.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  Moody, green, it's like saturated and moody. And then in here, it's like really bright and simple because it depends on when I'm working, on what I'm working on. Do I need a simple palette? Do I need a moody palette? So I kind of go back and forth into these spaces here at the office. So I love Shiplap.

• 1:12:44Kylie Kelce?

  To be fair, so do I. In my brain, I'm like, that is like cozy, worn, like there's character to it. Like, it feels like homey instead of just like a painted wall.

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:12:59Kylie Kelce?

  That feels like a warm hug to me. And I will stand in that forever. I've never, I've not changed my mind on that. A painted wall can be beautiful, obviously, but to have texture and character in your home, like-

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  No, it does. It cozies it up.

• 1:13:16Kylie Kelce?

  It feels so good.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  And the thing I say, the reason why when, like, a lot of the times people say, is shiplap in or out? And I feel like shiplap is a timeless, it's like asking if a old hand tuned beam is in or out. It's old. It's like, this is how they used to build homes. Shiplap was really behind the drywall. This is how they constructed them. So in my mind, you're just taking the way they used to do it and bringing it back. And so I'm like, there's, that's a timeless thing. That's not trend. I get it. Probably felt like a trend in that season of Fixer. But the way I look at it truly in the farmhouse is this was original.

• 1:13:49Kylie Kelce?

  Well, it's funny because now, like, a conversation I had recently was about herringbone. And I said, is herringbone trendy to someone? And they said to me, no, it's like one of the most classically-

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  It is. I love herringbone.

• 1:14:04Kylie Kelce?

  It's one of the most classic ways to lay like brick and different-

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:08Kylie Kelce?

  Different materials. And I'm like, it's funny because I know so little that everything I know is captured in like what I've watched.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 1:14:21Kylie Kelce?

  Because it just, because I don't, I am not a design person. It's not how my brain works. I have such a deep appreciation. And I think it's why I loved watching Fixer Upper because there was this deep appreciation for the way that you could look at a space and be like, I know what this needs to feel like what they're asking for. To me, it's not necessarily what it looks like. For me, it's always like how it feels. Like even just describing what shiplap in my brain says, it's like creating character and texture and, and a vibe of cozy.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Coziness, comfort.

• 1:14:56Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. To me, that is how my brain looks at a space. And so-

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  But you nailed it, Kylie. The whole part of design is feeling more than look.

• 1:15:06Kylie Kelce?

  Right. But I can't put things together to figure out how it feels. So I have a deep appreciation for how your brain works, that you can say, these are the things and the textures and the colors and how to put it all together. It's, I find it to be fascinating.

• 1:15:21Speaker 02

  If you need help.

• 1:15:22Kylie Kelce?

  I, I always know I need help.

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  If you have like a, hey, Joe, A or B.

• 1:15:28Kylie Kelce?

  Oh.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  I would love to help you.

• 1:15:30Kylie Kelce?

  You don't want to open up that can of worms.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  I love it. I don't have clients anymore.

• 1:15:35Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, come through.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Make sure if you do dark, you do the ceiling dark. You do everything dark.

• 1:15:41Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, I'm into this.

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  I'm like-

• 1:15:45Kylie Kelce?

  Just come to Philly.

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  How do I, I can even, even if you're really trying to figure out paint colors, because my house is where I creatively work things out because we're not doing as many projects. I really am focusing, like, when we come to work, it really is the retail and the website. That's like what my work is now. And so not getting to do a ton of homes. Now I'm like, looking at my home, I'm like, ooh, so now I'm tweaking and I'm, but as far as like paint color, I've tried every paint color. And I'm like, if you just tell me how you want it to feel, I can give you the paint color.

• 1:16:17Kylie Kelce?

  See, that's what I need.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  So just what do you want to feel?

• 1:16:21Kylie Kelce?

  Speaking of, speaking of paint color, millennials specifically get dragged online, well, for a lot of things. I recently got dragged by my field hockey players about no show socks. That's apparently-

• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  Wait, that's dorky?

• 1:16:34Kylie Kelce?

  Very, apparently. Exactly. Thank you.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  But when you wear tennis shoes, when you wear tennis shoes, you look cooler when you wear ankle socks.

• 1:16:43Kylie Kelce?

  I think that.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Like, you look more athletic. Your legs look better. I'm telling you, ankle socks. I don't understand. Why do my kid, ankle socks, they'll come back.

• 1:16:53Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. Everything does. Everything comes back around. And I'm waiting for the moment that they come back around. But millennials are also getting dragged for millennial gray. Have you seen this?

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:06Kylie Kelce?

  What do you think about this?

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  I think I got dragged for it too.

• 1:17:08Kylie Kelce?

  Did you?

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  I did gray a lot because my clients wanted gray. Okay, I don't like gray.

• 1:17:14Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. Why?

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  Let me tell you why I don't like gray. When I look at gray, I see purple a little bit. I see cold. So I don't see warmth. And so I won't ever paint anything in my life gray for me because gray makes me, I don't, I don't, I like definition. I like refined. I like, and gray is kind of like, gray.

• 1:17:36Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  For me.

• 1:17:38Kylie Kelce?

  Yep.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  I've seen designers do gray and they crush it. That is not my forte.

• 1:17:44Kylie Kelce?

  This is very helpful.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  But gray doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy and comfort. And the older I get, I want my space to feel comfort. I want people to feel like they can linger long in it. There are warm grays, but then I'm like, are you grayish? Are you, I, I live too much of my life, like being gray, kind of, that I'm like, no, you don't do that.

• 1:18:07Kylie Kelce?

  This is where we get color. I can't, I'm like stacking questions in my brain.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  But hold on, in the house we just finished, I did do a, so I'm, I'm taking this back only because I did find a gray that had like a warmth to it, but I did it high gloss on cabinets. So that felt like, mm, like timeless, or like a flat gray feels like, I didn't know what color to do, so I did gray.

• 1:18:32Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. Now, is this, is this house that you're talking about the new series?

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  It's the new series. And it's not a house. It's like a-

• 1:18:40Kylie Kelce?

  It's a mansion?

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  Kylie, probably the maddest I've been at Chip. And I think people really think it's like a shtick. Fixer is like, Chip bought a thing and Joe has to fix it. And she cries. I'm like, he is a sneaky butt. I told him, he bought this house three and a half years ago because he said he got a good deal. And he just knows now, and this is really where it's like, we play, like, hey, I run what I run. He runs what he, he's the real estate guy. He knows if I come into his corner, I will say no to every single thing because I don't want another project. So I say no, I'm that friend. So he doesn't bring me in that corner a lot for a reason. He did not bring me into this corner when he was deciding on buying this 15,000 square foot house because he

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  got a good deal. And I don't even really, I'm not like a big, like I, you know, so we, when he got it, I was like, Chip, I'm not touching this. First of all, it will never be a fixer. This is like, how do you even explain to the world you're fixing up a mansion? That's like, great, it's done. So I did not touch it for three years. And his mindset, and they follow me here, because there's really a point to this. His mindset was, I bought it for a great deal. It is on the lake. It's the most beautiful view in Waco, Texas is where this house sits. Someone's going to come along and want this, and we're going to flip it and not have to have done anything. Joe, trust

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  me. Three years later, now that I'm like in the business and I'm like running the place and I'm looking at the P and L's, I'm like, the carrying cost on this house, we have to sell it now. So I was like, okay, Chip, we're going to do a fix. We're going to fix, I'm going to step in. No one has wanted this for three years because it's very gaudy. It was like done in the 90s. So it's, it's very-

• 1:20:28Kylie Kelce?

  It's dated.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Very dated, but glamorous. And it's over the top. Gold. And I don't know how to do that. Like, I don't, I don't know how to explain it. How do you like, to me, it's like, once you pull that thread, you either just blow the house up, start all over again. But once you start pulling the thread, it's just money, money, money. So I told Chip, we've got to do this. We just have to make it funny. It is what it is. You bought this place. I didn't touch it for three years. And we got to lean into that. So that really is a series. I'll say it's my favorite one yet. As much as I didn't want to touch it, story of my life, I brat out. And then I'm like, oh, it

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  taught me so much as a designer. And it did. Chip is always right. All that to say, we did the reveal last month. So right now, this house is actually, it's been on the market for three years. And the how, if you look online, the picture you see is the picture of the before. We can't put the afters in it because it'll give it away. So if you look at it, you're like, here are the before pictures. Okay, so still have not sold it. The day of the reveal, we finished, the realtors call us and say, we have a woman who wants to come tomorrow. She fell in love. She's a qualified buyer. She's fallen in love with it. She wants to give you, put an offer in. And I'm like, I will personally go there and walk her through this house and tell her all the

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  things we did. When the realtor told her that, she said, well, what did they do? She was like, I liked what the pictures that I saw. And I said, call the realtor. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, just get her here. I'll explain why I did what I did. The lady was so upset. She was like, I don't understand why she removed all the red and gold. She didn't come. And it's like, Chip was right. He could have sold this thing as it is. We didn't have to touch it. I'm like, this is a joke. I just did all, I finally did it. I revealed it. And now we have a buyer and she's upset that I fixed it up.

• 1:22:30Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  So it's like the comedy that won't end with this thing. Anyway, so it's on the market. If y'all need a summer home, or a, not summer in Texas, if you want a fall, winter and spring home.

• 1:22:43Kylie Kelce?

  Beautiful.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  It's a gorgeous view. It's been fixed up, but we've got to find a buyer for this thing.

• 1:22:48Kylie Kelce?

  It's been fixed up.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  It's, it's a funny, it's a funny series. Actually, we had so much fun because I think when you do these shows, especially now, like, we do one a year and it's fun. But like, this one was like, we're just now at this stage where we're like, if we're going to do something, let's have fun with it. This one just felt like our bestseller showing up to the table and it not being like a production, it just really being like, what do we want to do? Let's like lean in. And Chip leaned in and Chip is crazy. And he was not drinking in any of these episodes, but drunk uncle is literally his persona.

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  And I love it. I love drunk uncle. So it's, it's gonna feel a little different than the other fixers.

• 1:23:28Kylie Kelce?

  Now, this series, the new series is coming out December 27th at 9:00 PM on Magnolia Network and HGTV.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  That's like a long time from now, but yes.

• 1:23:38Kylie Kelce?

  But it's, it's something to get excited for because this is the idea of a house that large and that you held out for three years.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:51Kylie Kelce?

  So now we got it. We got to dive in with you. I cannot thank you enough for coming on today. This was such a pleasure. I have one last question for you. It's a question I ask our guests. I always ask for a piece of advice and specifically moms. Is there a piece of motherhood advice that you have received in your life that sits with you or that you give to other people?

• 1:24:16Speaker 02

  I think it's the car ride. It's the car. It's the, I had a mentor who always told me, hey, Joe, when you're in the car with your kids, those are the, those are the, that's like the capsule you're in, like the morning drive to work or to school, the morning, the, sorry, the morning drive to school, the afternoon drive to practices, the, that so many times as moms, we can get into, I've got to get here, there, everywhere, and everyone's a little chaotic. And at times you want to turn the music on and just kind of blast the noise out. But she told me, those are the sweetest moments I had with my children. And when they left, the quiet car ride was something that I just missed their presence. So don't

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  take advantage of the moments in the car. That's when you can get to know your kids the best because you're with them. And so that's been something that I tried to do when the kids were in the car. It's like, how do we have fun? What are we looking at? No one's on their phones. Like, how do we tell stories? How do we engage? How do we connect? And I will say, Kylie, when they all turned 16 and got their driver's license, and they were driving down that long farm road out to the highway, it was like, you know, the, the quiet car rides are something I feel now. And I'm so glad I heard my friend's voice say, make those moments are the sweetest.

• 1:25:34Kylie Kelce?

  You think about the lead up to a car ride, and oftentimes with trying to get four kids out of the house, it is chaos.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  It's chaotic. Yes.

• 1:25:41Kylie Kelce?

  Once you get in the car, first of all, you're their captive audience. Like, you're driving the car. What else are you supposed to do but like chit chat with them? It's such a beautiful thing to think. That like, the chaos leads to a transition that can be like a calm.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:25:57Kylie Kelce?

  Interaction. And then wherever you get to, your chaos ensues.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then when they turned 14 and they turned 15, they start telling you things that they may not say at the dinner table when everyone's around. It's just like, those are, I'm telling you, the car ride. That, that was my favorite time with my babies, the car ride.

• 1:26:15Kylie Kelce?

  That's so beautiful. Thank you so much for coming on. Make sure you watch Fixer Upper Chip Bottom Mansion, December 27th on Magnolia Network and HGTV. Thank you so much for coming on.

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  Kylie, this was so fun. Thank you.

• 1:26:27Kylie Kelce?

  This was incredible. Absolutely. And that's it for this episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Joanna on my YouTube channel, on More Ship Monday. Follow us on social media, at NGL with Kylie, for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original, brought to you by Apple Gift Card. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in.

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• 1:27:14Kylie Kelce?

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