Kylie on Having More Kids, Wild Riverdale Plots & Trying TikTok Trends on Jason w/ Lili Reinhart | Ep. 45

Kylie’s back for another episode of Not Gonna Lie brought to you by WhatsApp! She starts the show with a not-so-subtle hint about a future episode of F. A. F. O. and things go immediately off-the-rails with interruptions from dogs, squirrels and air horns. Kylie also makes an announcement about next week’s Thanksgiving special (3:45), addresses all the comments about her hair last week (7:31) and weighs in on what a “Jason Kelce Candle” smells like (8:52). Then, in “Doomscroll of the Week,” Kylie praises Philadelphia 76ers point guard Tyrese Maxey’s side hustle taking part in the National Dog Show (11:26). She also reveals her own side hustle of being able to correctly identify obscure dog breeds. Kylie also responds to the TikTok trend of people using the “Jackass” intro music right before doing something their wives or kids will absolutely react negatively to (14:50). She also calls Jason to surprise him with an odd question. After that, Kylie answers an “Ask Me *Some* Things” question from a Real One celebrating his 30th wedding anniversary and also reminds us the types of questions she will NOT be answering (19:17)! Then, in Tiny Human Question of the Week, Kylie looks into the phrase “mommy senses” after Wyatt tells her that hers were “tingling” the other night (21:58). Kylie then welcomes actress, entrepreneur and TikTok icon Lili Reinhart to the show (26:40)! Kylie and Lili immediately bond over their mutual love for bearded dogs and Kylie confesses that the trailer for “Hal & Harper” was so emotional it made her cry (28:30). Kylie also asks Lili about what it’s been like moving on from “Riverdale” after seven years on the show and some of the crazy teen dramas she watched growing up (31:03). Lili then gets honest about her journey with antidepressants and how she’s feeling now (32:47). Lili and Kylie then talk about feeling starstruck and Lili tells a very funny story about bumping into one of her idols while she was out getting a facial (38:02). We then go down a Lili Reinhart TikTok rabbit hole and Kylie asks her about a Shrek themed Rave she posted about (44:47), as well as her Halloween costume this year: The Dude from The Big Lebowski (47:15). Kylie then asks Lili about how she’s done her own makeup since the middle of Riverdale’s run and how she learned from YouTube tutorials (49:01). Lili also reveals her own struggles with acne prone skin and what she did to change that and help other with the same issue (50:30). Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for even more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Lili Reinhart. . . . Purchase NGL Merch: www.nglkylie.com Support the Show: WhatsApp: Spots are limited, join The Chat featuring Kylie & Caleb and all the NFL’s piping hot tea this Sunday 11/23 for the Chiefs-Colts game! Check back for the link soon! Bigelow Tea: Take a moment just for you. Check out Kylie’s favorite teas at Bigelowtea.com/NGL Peloton: Let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push, and go. Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Tread+ at onepeloton.com Macy’s: Book an appointment with a Personal Stylist today at Macys.com and get 20% off your first purchase Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Kylie Kelce?

  Not gonna lie, Benny just had a full-blown meltdown because I didn't give her spicy chicken. Yep.

• 0:10Kylie Kelce?

  You know what? At least one of my kids will eat chicken without arguing with me. Or a boatload of ketchup. Let's get this podcast started.

• 0:23Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original, brought to you by WhatsApp. The best group chats happen on WhatsApp. Speaking of, I have a very special surprise I'm gonna reveal a little later in the episode that real ones and fans of Caleb Heron... What? Who said that?

• 0:42Kylie Kelce?

  Are gonna be pumped about. Seriously, who said that?

• 0:49Kylie Kelce?

  I believe that's what they call a tease. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I once had a sandwich named after me at Wawa that shouldn't have happened, but also I love that it did. My husband and his brother played against each other in a Super Bowl one time. And the latest place Kylie has no business being? That's right, the U.S. Olympic Curling Team Trials in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

• 1:12Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not kidding, we went there. It was awesome. Some of the real ones might have seen some photos going around of Jason and me at the curling trials. As you can see from this photo, we did have...

• 1:33Kylie Kelce?

  As you can see from this photo, we did have Queen Emma and a camera crew with us. So I'm just gonna go ahead and let you guys fuck around and find out on this one. Stay tuned. February isn't that far away. What?

• 1:48Kylie Kelce?

  Who said that?

• 1:53Kylie Kelce?

  Weird. I will say, as you can see from this photo, we are actually standing on a sheet of ice. And I'm not going to tell you, I'm not going to be, spoiler alert, we're going to find out together whether or not I ate shit.

• 2:11Kylie Kelce?

  I'll give you a hint.

• 2:16Kylie Kelce?

  No, I'm not. I'm not going to give you a hint. Fucking watch the FAFO episode, jackass. All right. Coming up on today's episode, two of my greatest passions, Philadelphia sports and dogs. That was, she was right on cue. She literally was like, oh, hey, mom, what are you doing? Here, put your face in here. It's a baby dog. Coming up on today's episode, two of my greatest passions, Philadelphia sports and dogs have united for a very special doom scroll of the week. There's also a new TikTok trend using the Jackass intro music in a way I can definitely get behind. You'll see what I mean. After that, I'm going to be joined right here by actress, entrepreneur, TikTok sensation, and yet another person, you guessed it, I have no business speaking to, Lily Reinhart.

• 3:01Kylie Kelce?

  She's starring in a brand new show and I'm so excited to talk to her. Squirrel! There's literally, it's so little!

• 3:11Kylie Kelce?

  I shit you not. That, okay, average sized squirrel?

• 3:17Kylie Kelce?

  The squirrel I just saw. It was so little. It was so cute. And there is a joke in there somewhere about average. You would call this average?

• 3:31Kylie Kelce?

  Cut that. Keep, or keep it in. Fuck it. Keep it in, Brad! I'll give you an extra five minutes if you keep that in.

• 3:41Kylie Kelce?

  But first, let's get into some NGL announcements. Starting with this one, next week on Tuesday, not Thursday. It goes against every fiber of my being, but I'm putting out another. Why'd you make it yell? Korean mom wants me to do it the way she wrote it. So I'm gonna do it the way she wrote it. And then I'm going to do it the way I want to read it. And we'll see which one's better. Next week on Tuesday, not Thursday, in honor of Thanksgiving. It goes against every fiber of my being, but I'm putting out another solo episode.

• 4:25Kylie Kelce?

  I hate that we were on the same page.

• 4:38Kylie Kelce?

  Okay. The way I would prefer to read that sentence is next week on Tuesday, not Thursday. Tuesday. In honor of Thanksgiving, it goes against every fiber of my being, but I'm putting out another solo episode.

• 4:56Kylie Kelce?

  That's right. Don't you fucking dare.

• 5:03Kylie Kelce?

  A note from the desk of Queen Emma, because we know how great this always goes. Hey, girl. You said you'd think about Thanksgiving as your next solo, so I took it as an enthusiastic and resounding yes. Okay, love you lots. P.S. Thoughts on a cool 60? No, presh, but kind of presh.

• 5:29Kylie Kelce?

  Cool.

• 5:33Kylie Kelce?

  Got it. There's going to start to be like a bartering system that happens here. And I'm just going to let you guys know it's going to involve Queen Emma being on camera a lot more than she would like. So.

• 5:48Kylie Kelce?

  Fuck you, Queen Emma. So once again, next week's solo Thanksgiving episode will come out on Tuesday, November 25th. Now, that's because Thanksgiving is on Thursday. If you want to listen to me while you, uh, never mind. That was going to be, it was going to be inappropriate. It was going to be about what you're going to do to the turkey.

• 6:12Kylie Kelce?

  If you want to end up listening to the episode on Thursday, while you're just the turkey.

• 6:20Kylie Kelce?

  We should blur that.

• 6:24Kylie Kelce?

  Then that is entirely up to you. Happy Thanksgiving. And once again, I'm going to answer a bunch of your Ask Me Some Things questions. Please send in all your questions for me about Thanksgiving, family, football, green bean casserole. Yes. Bearded beings. Comment on YouTube, Spotify, or any social media @NGOwithKylie. Next up, let's shout out a couple Real One Comments of the Week, brought to you by Big Low Tea. Take a moment just for you. You know I love to do that, specifically with the Earl Grey. Unreal. It's so good. Earl Grey. I don't steep it for that long of a time. And I either a little

• 7:07Kylie Kelce?

  sugar or a little honey. That's it. That's all I need. Okay. First up, I can't get over just how many comments there were about my hair last week. Seriously, guys, what the hell? First of all, it makes it seem as though I never do it. So, anyway, let's read these comments. Kmerfs13, Kylie, who did your hair? Because I know you didn't do it yourself, but it looks fab. Fire emoji. Hertz. I'm so sorry to tell you this, Kmerfs13. It was

• 7:43Kylie Kelce?

  certainly me. It was me. I grew up in the YouTube era of millennial. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I loved a YouTube tutorial. I loved it. I wasn't going out to parties on weekends, but I was perfecting my drugstore Con Air curling iron. That's what I was doing. My hair routine is really simple, especially in postpartum. I try my best not to wash it every day because I feel like that causes more breakage and more baby fallout. I also

• 8:21Kylie Kelce?

  do my best to keep it loose while I'm sleeping. So my solution for that is typically a French braid. Sometimes I don't abide by that rule and I end up in a ponytail or a bun. For those of you who sleep with your hair down, what? Do people actually do that? Do people do that? Can we confirm? Do people sleep with their hair down? We just did a quick poll of the NGL team and it turns out that amongst the queens here, I am in the minority, like drastically in the minority and that most people sleep with their hair down.

• 8:58Kylie Kelce?

  We should do a social poll on that, please, because now I'm invested. And our next rule one comment is from at Andrea Reza, who commented on a photo of a candle labeled smells like Jason Kelce. She tweeted, "I feel like I need Kylie's permission to smell it." You're fucking right, you do. I'm kidding. You can smell the candle. You can smell the candle. I, there's a lot of people who wanted to chit chat about the clip from last week's episode where I just reminded everyone that it's mine. "When you see my husband, you should hear my voice like the Finding Nemo seagulls." Mine, mine, mine.

• 9:43Kylie Kelce?

  I have no idea what a Jason candle would smell like.

• 9:49Kylie Kelce?

  I know it smells married. I know that, so smell at your own risk. Wouldn't it be funny if it smelled like football pads? And I just, I know when I just said football pads that it got a visceral reaction from boy moms that have football pads in the back of their car. Like a huh, like a, they're just like an absolute gut wrenching no.

• 10:17Kylie Kelce?

  It would be funny if it smelled like, like a garage beer, football pads. And what else is a frequent? Oh, maybe like a, maybe like a leathery smell from his, uh, from his sandals. I mean, I think he smells nice, but that's not for you to know. That's for me to know and for you to never find out. How about that? Note for anyone curious, the smells like Jason candle label actually says it's a legendary mix of mummers parades, Philly grit and always hungry for seconds. That is a ridiculous description. My God, what is going on?

• 11:00Kylie Kelce?

  I don't think anyone wants to smell a mummers parade. So basically same thing, a mummers suit and a, and football pads in your trunk. I'm pretty sure smell the exact same. So just do with that what you will. Okay. That's it for Real One Comments of the Week, brought to you by Bigelow Tea. Moving on, let's get right into Doom Scroll of the Week, brought to you by Peloton. Check out the new Cross Training Tread Plus at onepeloton.com. First up on Doom Scroll, two of my favorite things, Philly sports and dogs are joining forces. Sixers guard Tyrese Maxey has quite the side quest going on. He took two dogs through an agility course at the National Dog Show over the weekend, and I couldn't love this more. Roll the clip, Queen Emma.

• 11:45Kylie Kelce?

  And the dog is jumping the hurdles. It's supposed to go through the tunnel. He's almost tripping over the dog. The dog is jumping up to get the reward.

• 11:55Kylie Kelce?

  And then the dog won't go through the tire, so he tosses it through. And the dog jumps through the tire to get its toy. Maxey's quote said, "I played in a lot of playoff games, played in both the gardens. I played in Miami, I played in Brooklyn, and that's the most nervous I've been to go through something." I love this so much. First of all, love a side quest, AKA the premise of FAFO.

• 12:21Kylie Kelce?

  Speaking of,

• 12:26Kylie Kelce?

  I love dogs. You know what I used to watch?

• 12:31Kylie Kelce?

  American Kennel Club.

• 12:34Kylie Kelce?

  I do love the dog show. I love the dog show because I love hearing obscure facts, just tiny little facts about some very random breeds. And by random, that was not meant to be disrespectful. By random, I mean obscure breeds that you may not know of. If you are not...

• 12:59Kylie Kelce?

  A frequent watcher of the, of the dog show. But I love that dog show. I love it so much. And I love for sport guessing what type of dogs people have when they show me a picture. It excites my soul. Just last week, oh, I'm still really, I'm really torn up about this. Just last week, someone showed me a picture of their dog. Her name was Crumpet, R I P Crumpet. She's no longer with us, but apparently she was the most incredible dog. So shout out to her. Alex, her owner, showed me a picture and for a second, the picture she showed me, I panicked. And I was like, I think that this might be a pug cross.

• 13:44Kylie Kelce?

  And if I don't say that it's a pug and this person identifies their dog as a pug, they might get offended. So I very quickly was like, oh, is she a pug? And the minute it came out of my mouth, I saw another picture and I was like, you dumb ass motherfucker. That's a Brussels. It's a Brussels Griffon and you are a dumbass? Because you said a pug. Uh, I love this hobby for Maxie. I think that sometimes you gotta get outside of your box. I think that you need to expand your horizons. I don't think that your entire life can be consumed by your art or the thing that you are like elite at. But no, seriously, call us because I want to fuck an F A F O all over that shit. Immediately. Thank you.

• 14:29Kylie Kelce?

  And lastly, there's a new trend on Tik Tok where husbands are using the Jackass themed music to set up an absurd thing they're about to go tell their wives. Queen Emma, roll the clip, please.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Hey, my name's Evan. My wife's pissed off right now and I'm about to go tell her to calm down. Welcome to Jackass.

• 14:51Kylie Kelce?

  Okay. Here's the thing.

• 14:55Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, I grew up in the, like, the Jackass. If you don't know this, if you don't hear this music and immediately feel it in your chest, that someone is about to, I don't know, jump off of a building, go flying off of like a dirt bike, um, that someone isn't gonna try and drop in on a skateboard into like spikes.

• 15:22Kylie Kelce?

  You weren't, you're, I'm talking, I'm not talking to your generation, okay? If you hear this music and you're immediately like, it's about to be some fucked up shit, just a montage of fuckery. This is, this is the trend for us people. Some parents are using it to describe the stuff that their kids had tantrums about too. And I wholeheartedly support that. Um, I do believe that, uh, someone said that they were going to turn off Paw Patrol.

• 15:55Kylie Kelce?

  Um, and that that was all they needed. They said like, hey, I'm so and so, I'm about to go turn off Paw Patrol while my two-year-old's watching it. Welcome to Jackass. And I get that. If you have a child and you either wanna turn off something that they're into, you wanna take a toy that they're currently playing with, you need to transition really in any way, shape or form. Get in the car, get out of the car, any of it. Welcome to Jackass. You know? It's not good. It's honestly, it's bad, but it's a great way to frame it in a positive way. That we're all just in an episode of Jackass. Parents edition, so. Um, I love this trend.

• 16:40Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe we'll try this trend. We'll try. I still have to ask my husband, I say that, but I still have to ask my husband if he ever wishes he were athletic.

• 16:51Kylie Kelce?

  Should I call him right now?

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 16:57Kylie Kelce?

  Hey.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Everything right?

• 16:59Kylie Kelce?

  Are you in, yeah, are you in a meeting right now?

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Uh, no, we're getting donuts.

• 17:04Kylie Kelce?

  Donuts?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:07Kylie Kelce?

  Are they good?

• 17:08Speaker 02

  I don't know. I'll tell you in a second.

• 17:10Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, can I just ask you a really quick question?

• 17:12Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 17:13Kylie Kelce?

  Do you ever wish you were more athletic?

• 17:16Speaker 02

  Oh, gosh.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  Not really. I feel like I'm pretty athletic.

• 17:23Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, that's it.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  Why? Why?

• 17:26Kylie Kelce?

  I just, I just was curious. I think about it sometimes. I'm like, I wonder if he wishes he was more athletic.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  Right. What happened?

• 17:34Kylie Kelce?

  Nothing happened. I just wanted to ask you that question. I was curious.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Are you on the podcast?

• 17:38Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, I am.

• 17:43Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, I don't know. I kind of feel, uh...

• 17:46Kylie Kelce?

  You feel maxed out on that?

• 17:49Speaker 02

  I feel like sometimes I'm so athletic, it's a burden to carry. And I wish that the expectation was lower, you know what I mean?

• 17:55Kylie Kelce?

  Sure. That makes sense. That's fair. Okay, well, I just thought I...

• 18:02Kylie Kelce?

  Well, there's a trend on TikTok. It really catches some people off guard, but I...

• 18:08Kylie Kelce?

  But I like that you were fairly unfazed.

• 18:14Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, tell me, okay, but text me and tell me how the donuts were. Okay, I love you.

• 18:22Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, I love you.

• 18:25Kylie Kelce?

  You better play that back and find out if that man said he loved me.

• 18:36Kylie Kelce?

  Well, that was underwhelming because I thought he was, he did get, it did make him giggle, but I did think that he was gonna get a little bit. I like that he was not defensive at all. He was just like, no, I'm good. I'm pretty, I'm really fucking athletic.

• 18:52Kylie Kelce?

  And he's not lying. That's the part that makes me mad. We gotta figure out how we're gonna knock him down a few notches. I mean that in a loving way, because that's my, part of my job. I have to be like, not that great. Take the trash out.

• 19:07Kylie Kelce?

  That's exactly how I'm gonna do it. All right, that does it for Doom Scroll of the Week, brought to you by Peloton. Moving on, a brand new addition of Ask Me Some Things, because Ask Me Anything needed some fucking boundaries. Like, guys, what are we doing with this question? Someone asked, "Are you guys gonna have more kids?" What? Girl.

• 19:30Kylie Kelce?

  A human being just exited my vagina. Yeah, I said vagina, with my whole chest.

• 19:40Kylie Kelce?

  Approximately seven months ago, seven months and some change. And let me tell you, you know what else I'm reminded of when I hit my chest? That my titties are still keeping her alive.

• 19:52Kylie Kelce?

  How about that? How about that? You don't ask people that. Also, don't talk about having more kids, my uterus might hear you.

• 20:04Kylie Kelce?

  Nobody's talking to you. Do I not seem like I have a lot on my plate right now? Stop it. Stop it. No. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know, and that's okay, but shhhhh, you better shhhhh. Now, the actual question I will answer from Ken Cooper 2231. "I need help, could you recommend a good 30th anniversary celebration?" NGL, real one from the beginning. Aw, thanks, Ken. Okay, here's the deal. A traditional 30th anniversary gift is pearls, so I think you do a little Uno reverse on that shit. Right? Where do pearls come from? That's right, the ocean.

• 20:50Kylie Kelce?

  And where are the oceans?

• 20:53Kylie Kelce?

  All around us, really, but also at the beach. And you know where there's great beaches? Islands.

• 21:05Kylie Kelce?

  Because I'm gonna tell you right now, the best anniversaries, like the best anniversary celebrations are trips. If you don't like a beach, go to one of the national parks and do some hikes and see beautiful views. I think we solved this problem for you, Ken. I think that we really nailed this. I think it's that short, sweet, and to the point. Go to the beach. Or you could wait until the summer and come to the Jersey Shore. Also, happy 30th anniversary, Jesus. Let's just pour one out for that. You guys must really love each other. And that's sweet. That's it for Ask Me Some Things. My guest Lily Reinhardt is

• 21:47Kylie Kelce?

  coming up soon, but before that, one of my tiny humans said something insane recently, and I simply had to share it with the real ones. So let's get right into Tiny Human Question of the Week, brought to you by Perplexity. I was on the phone with Queen Emma right before bedtime, and Wyatt said to me, "My mommy senses are tingling." And I said, "Your what?" And she said, "My mommy senses are tingling." And when I tried to ask her to explain what she meant, she could not. We did not arrive at what her mommy senses were, or why they tingle. I have no idea. So, Queen Emma, can you please pull up Perplexity and

• 22:30Kylie Kelce?

  ask, "What are mommy senses?" Let's see, let's see, let's see. Mommy senses refers to the phenomenon where mothers experience heightened sensory awareness, intuition, and emotional sensitivity, especially during and after pregnancy. Well, let me tell you about this. I swear on my whole life that I have mom reflexes, and they are better and more honed in. After I had children, and I'm not just saying that if something is falling, I can move like Spider-Man speed. I don't know how to explain it, but it just whoop and like whoop and I catch things that are about to fall on tiny humans.

• 23:14Kylie Kelce?

  And it's fascinating to me. From the moment a woman becomes a mother, her senses, sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell often become more acute. Speaking of smell, I can smell a dirty diaper specifically from one of my children from a mile away. I don't know if it's just your nose is tuned into their brand, if you catch my drift, but I wholeheartedly know that that's the truth. Well, I feel very validated in this, just in terms of my motherhood feelings.

• 23:52Kylie Kelce?

  But now I have an answer for Wyatt when she comes back to me. That's it for Tiny Human Question of the Week brought to you by perplexity. Coming up, Lily Reinhardt is joining me, but first WhatsApp. The realist of real ones might remember several minutes ago, I did a very professional tease at the top of this episode about WhatsApp. And now I'm about to spill the tea and so is Caleb Heron. That's right. I'm very excited to announce that comedian, social media icon and former NGL guest, Caleb Heron and I are teaming up once again, and it gets even better. You guys asked for it and now we're doing it. We're bringing the NFL piping hot tea alt broadcast idea to life. Thanks to WhatsApp and the chat. It's happening this upcoming Sunday, November 23rd for the Chiefs Colts game right on WhatsApp.

• 24:37Kylie Kelce?

  We're going to live chat the game on WhatsApp and give you all the tea and talk about the game like the incredible reality show that it is. And you know, with Caleb, it's gonna be hilarious. Luckily for a select group of both our podcast fans, you will be able to join the group chat and see exactly what we're saying with the chat from WhatsApp and off ball. Spots are very limited. So when we drop the link, be sure to join immediately. Also, real ones, we're counting on you to send us questions to answer in the group chat. Comment with your NFL T questions on YouTube, Spotify or any social media. And Queen Emma will give us her favorites. See you guys on Sunday and let's go Chiefs. And Uncle Trav. I'm such a big fan of Bigelow Tea, specifically their Earl Grey.

• 25:20Kylie Kelce?

  I have been drinking Bigelow Earl Grey tea for a very long time. It's the only Earl Grey tea that Lil' Elise likes to drink. All the real ones know by now how hectic my life can be, especially this time of year. So you know, I love pairing a little, nobody needs me time with a delicious cup of Earl Grey from Bigelow. I typically will take my favorite mug. Okay, it says positivity, please on it. It has the perfect rim to it because it's not too thick. It's not too thin and I put a little bit of sugar in the bottom. I know exactly how much I pour it directly out of the bag. And then I put a little bit from my tea kettle. I pour that into the cup and I swirl it around. Now, the tea bag is in there and the little bit of sugar is at the bottom.

• 26:03Kylie Kelce?

  And so when you swirl just a little bit of hot water at the bottom, it melts the sugar and your tea bag stirs it. And then you pour the rest of the water in and you let it, you let it do its thing. And you know what the best part is? When I have tea, my kids know that I will say to them, mom has a hot cup of tea. And then they can't launch themselves off of the couch onto me, which is really a positive. Whether it's with my mom over a cup of Earl Grey or finally getting five minutes to myself after bedtime. Bigelow Tea has always been part of those moments that keep me grounded. Bigelow Tea, take a moment just for you. She's the actress you know from her breakout role of Betty Cooper in Riverdale. You know her from Hustlers, Chemical Hearts.

• 26:48Kylie Kelce?

  And now she's starring in a brand new series called Helen Harper, streaming on MUBI. I truly can't get enough of her TikToks. She's also a fellow dog lover and now she's not gonna lie, Lily Reinhart, welcome to the show.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Yay, thank you.

• 27:01Kylie Kelce?

  I have to mention your dog in your intro because I was going down some rabbit holes preparing for this. And I love the TikToks with him, first of all. Love a bearded man. On record about that.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Okay, thank you.

• 27:17Kylie Kelce?

  I'm such a sucker for bearded dogs.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  He's my first bearded dog. I saw a photo of him. I was following a rescue based in Vancouver. I was thinking about getting a dog, playing with the idea of it in 2020 before it all happened. And I saw his face and it was an instant.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  Like soul to soul recognition and he had these eyebrows that were indescribable and a little old man beard. He looked like he was maybe 10, but also a puppy at the same time. And he's the light and love of my life and his name is Milo. And he came with the name. That's what they already, he's from Mexico. He was already given the name. He was, he was rescued from a hoarder's house in Mexico. So it was a hoarder situation and he was taken for his own safety. Cause he was being horribly neglected and abused. It wasn't just like, oh no, someone has a hoarding problem. It's like he was being left outside 24/7. So anyways, light of my life.

• 28:25Kylie Kelce?

  He's living his best life now.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  He's a prince.

• 28:28Kylie Kelce?

  Of course he is. Now, also congratulations on your new show, Helen Harper.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 28:36Kylie Kelce?

  New episodes are streaming now, every Sunday on movie.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 28:41Kylie Kelce?

  First of all, and I hope you know exactly what I'm saying when I say this. Are you fucking kidding me with that trailer?

• 28:49Speaker 03

  No, I actually don't know what you're saying.

• 28:51Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, let me get into it. I have four daughters.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 28:55Kylie Kelce?

  Six, four, two, and seven months old.

• 28:58Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 28:59Kylie Kelce?

  Let me tell you something. Let me tell you.

• 29:05Kylie Kelce?

  Immediate tears.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  The show was gonna-

• 29:09Kylie Kelce?

  Just, just for the trailer. I was, what, like, full mess. The idea that it's

• 29:20Kylie Kelce?

  exploring like you guys are grown up, but still like glimpses. Oh my God. I was not prepared and I proceeded to

• 29:31Kylie Kelce?

  ugly cry about it. Because it's, it hits so hard and so close to home. It was fucked up. It was fucked up. And I'm very excited to watch it.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  In a way, I'm glad that it elicited such a strong reaction out of you because I think that's the whole point, right? I think, I think we wanted to make a, by we, I mean, me and my writer, director, producer, actor, co-star Cooper Rife, playing my brother in it.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  I think-

• 30:09Speaker 03

  We just like, there's just so much content that exists. And I think the shows that stay with people and sit with them are shows like Fleabag and Normal People and I May Destroy You and these emotional, real shows that really have something to say and make you cry. And not that, you know, you don't go into making a show going, we're gonna make people cry because then that's just annoying. And I feel like you can spot those from a while away. But when it's a, it's a show that has something to say. And I think this one definitely does. And it's just, I call it jokingly, but

• 30:51Speaker 03

  not the little show that could, because it's just been like, hellish to try to get it out into the world.

• 31:02Kylie Kelce?

  Now, Helen Harper is your first series since Riverdale, right?

• 31:06Speaker 03

  It was the thing I did immediately after Riverdale.

• 31:10Kylie Kelce?

  Now, what's it been like transitioning from something that was such a big part of your life for so long?

• 31:15Speaker 03

  It was a big, yeah, I mean, it was a bittersweet, very big shift in my life. It was a seven year journey coming to an end. And I had plans and hopes and ideas of what I wanted, you know, my life and career and future to be after the show. And you make plans and God laughs. And that's exactly what happened. But I, I loved this show so much. And I felt like it was exactly the kind of thing that I wanted to do right after Riverdale. We have, Riverdale is very, you know, young adult and campy and heightened and high stakes and plot, plot, plot, and no room for breath at all. And then Helen Harper is kind of the complete opposite. And it's very raw and emotional and grounded

• 32:00Speaker 03

  and feels very real. And that was exactly the type of tone, project wise, that I was looking to do. So I felt very lucky and confused in a pleasantly surprised way that it came to me right when it did. But I think it was, I don't know, the universe sending me a little gift, like a little treat after wrapping this show that was a huge part of my life. It was like, okay, now here's your next chapter. And this is this beautiful thing to, to start to kick that off with.

• 32:33Kylie Kelce?

  Now, as someone who enjoyed many teen dramas, I loved this quote that you gave about Riverdale. You said, "Call the show crazy." It was. It gave me so much and I'm so thankful for it. What crazy teen dramas did you watch growing up?

• 32:50Speaker 03

  I definitely watched Gossip Girl. What the hell was I watching back then? You know what? I wasn't watching too many TV shows. I was watching a lot of horror movies as a teenager.

• 33:05Kylie Kelce?

  Really?

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I'm like, you're making me think. I don't even know what TV shows I was watching, but I think definitely.

• 33:12Kylie Kelce?

  Because you were like, "I don't need to watch it. I'm about to create the best one."

• 33:16Speaker 03

  No, because I was, I don't know. I guess I would say.

• 33:21Kylie Kelce?

  What horror movies were you watching?

• 33:23Speaker 03

  All of them. I was on a.

• 33:25Kylie Kelce?

  Really?

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. I was on a quest when I was 16 to watch the craziest, goriest, scariest horror movies that I could find. And this is because I was very depressed and I needed to, and there's like scientific research about this, where like people who have depression sometimes go out of their way to watch. They like horror. They like horror movies because it like triggers something in their brain that isn't usually activated. So that was me to a T. I was trying to watch, which is kind of funny because I grew up being absolutely terrorized by horror movies and would watch them with my older sister to try to be cool with her friends.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  And then I would end up sleeping on my parents' floor for months at a time because I could not sleep by myself.

• 34:16Kylie Kelce?

  Sometimes you just want to like feel.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  Sometimes you want to feel.

• 34:21Kylie Kelce?

  And you gotta wake it up.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  And it's so weird.

• 34:24Kylie Kelce?

  With a little shock.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  It's weird because after I got off my antidepressants, I don't gravitate to horror as much as I did, or I don't actually enjoy. Because I almost, if acting didn't work out, something I wanted to pursue possibly was special effects makeup. So I was just really interested in all of that. But as soon as I kind of went off antidepressants, like when the drugs got out of my system, I felt like I was more squeamish, which was interesting.

• 34:56Kylie Kelce?

  Really?

• 34:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was sort of like I was less numb, which makes sense. I was, I was, I was very much more into, like, it was so weird. When I got off the pill that I was on, I got like goosebumps all the time. Like, I would hear a song and it would give me goosebumps or chills, or I would, I cry so much more easily. And it's just an interesting, and I went off of the medication because I wanted to see kind of just how I felt not being on it anymore. I'd been on it, been on it for so long. And I didn't really know if it was, one, doing anything. But two, I just wanted to see what my life looked like without it.

• 35:36Kylie Kelce?

  That's so interesting about the goosebumps specifically, because it is so much like something that I think when you're, when you experience that, you don't think too much about it.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 35:48Kylie Kelce?

  Until it's been a while, and then it's like, oh, my.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  And I was horribly sick when I got off of, when I weaned off the meds. It made me deeply ill.

• 35:57Kylie Kelce?

  But, but I came out on the other side. I was gonna say that it sounds like the transition has been like, good overall?

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Um, you know, I'm someone who probably should be on meds. And I've been trying to find the right one.

• 36:14Kylie Kelce?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  It takes, it's a trial and error. You have to give it, you know, what, like a month of your life to see if it works. And I've tried a few and haven't found the right fit yet. But luckily, so I'm raw dogging it right now.

• 36:29Kylie Kelce?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Uh, which is really hard. But I, I don't wanna, I don't know. I'm trying to be kind to my body and let nature take its course and kind of just, um, I don't know. I'm not in a rush to put more medication in my system, I guess.

• 36:48Kylie Kelce?

  It is so, it's very cool of you to speak about it openly because I think that you are, like most of us, not alone in the idea of like, hey, my baseline is probably not ideal. It's not ideal. And I think we should maybe find us like correction.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Yes. And that's a good word, baseline.

• 37:11Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. Like it's, it really is. I think it's important to realize like sometimes our baseline is not, we don't, we don't have to settle for baseline because sometimes our baseline is not cutting it.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  That's exactly, actually how I looked at it. I, I thought, you know, day to day, I just feel like I'm a little bit below everyone else. And I would like to at least feel more even keeled or like I can have a little bit of happiness come through.

• 37:41Kylie Kelce?

  Well, I will send you all the good vibes.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 37:44Kylie Kelce?

  In your department.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 37:45Kylie Kelce?

  Um, complete curve ball here to, to get us back on the rundown. I always say I don't get starstruck, but I definitely do get a little more nervous when I talk to certain people. I have talked about how sweaty my armpits were when I spoke to Michelle Obama, specifically. That was a very sweaty episode.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:05Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, throughout your whole career, you've worked with a lot of big stars. Have you ever been starstruck?

• 38:12Speaker 03

  Definitely. And it happened to me two weeks ago, not even. I was at my estheticians in getting, about to get a facial in Beverly Hills and Sarah Paulson is someone who I've been a fan of for, I don't know, since, since season one of American Horror Story.

• 38:34Kylie Kelce?

  Yup.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  And I have, I've been following her on Instagram forever. And she followed me back a few years ago, which I thought was a genuine mistake because why? But she kept following me. I was like, okay, I hope she doesn't notice. Um, and so I was sitting in the waiting room, ready to get my facial and she came out and I was like, okay, well, we're gonna finally meet. And, um, she turns and, and, and we meet and she goes, oh, you're so great. And I-

• 39:08Speaker 03

  I blushed really hard. Like I got, I mean, I'm, I'm like looking at, I'm like translucent right now on this podcast video. Like I can't believe how pearlescent I am. It's, it's insane. But so you can imagine when I blush, it's very noticeable.

• 39:28Kylie Kelce?

  It was screaming. It was screaming.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  It was screaming. And then my, and I'm gonna throw shade to my friend Sarah, my esthetician, was in the room because she's the one who finished Sarah's facial. She goes, "You are so red right now." I was like, "You bitch." I was like, but I, but I'm never one to kind of downplay anything. I was like, "Yeah, I'm a really big fan." And I said that to Sarah's face, esthetician named Sarah and Sarah Paulson. And I said, I just said, "Yes, I'm such a big fan and I know I'm literally so red right now, but I, but I really, I just, I love all your work and whatever." It was, it was a quick

• 40:11Speaker 03

  interaction, but I was so noticeably red. And I think that that's the first time that I've ever gotten that red. But then also, my friend went out of her way to point it out that I was red, which I think probably made it significantly worse, but I leaned into it, whatever. I don't care. I was, you know, but that was a, I was so glad to have met her and I'm such a large fan of her work. I think she's absolutely incredible and have been, you know, I've known her since I was forever. So it felt like, um, yeah, I still get, I was in, I was at

• 40:51Speaker 03

  the Governors Awards last night, looking around the room at everyone. I did, um, in 2019, I think, I, when I went to the Met, I shook hands with Lady Gaga. And I think I just remember she, she said, "Nice to meet you." And I was like, "Oh, it's nice, nice to meet you too."

• 41:14Speaker 03

  And it was just fine.

• 41:17Kylie Kelce?

  You thought about that for a while afterwards?

• 41:18Speaker 03

  I thought about it for a second, you know, but I was like, it's Lady Gaga. That happens to her, I imagine, every day of her life or all the time. So I didn't feel that.

• 41:26Kylie Kelce?

  That's such a good way to, to put that into perspective of like, I can't be the only one that's just like shaking, meeting you, it's fine.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  But I also, it's fine. I don't, I don't know. I think being embarrassed is kind of, I've had it happen. I've been on the, on the receiving end of it and I think it's really charming.

• 41:45Kylie Kelce?

  I was gonna say, I do think it is such a, a genuine way to know that someone is excited about meeting you.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 41:56Kylie Kelce?

  To be able to see that excitement for, for esthetician Sarah to call out your beet red face, obviously you're like, hey, act natural, pretend like I'm always this red. It's not weird.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  There was no pretending. There was no pretending.

• 42:11Kylie Kelce?

  At the same time though, it's like, you're flushed because it's like you're meeting someone that you are genuinely so excited to get to interact with and to get to have the opportunity to say like, hey, I'm a huge fan.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:23Kylie Kelce?

  That's so cool.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's like rare. When do you ever get to meet the people that you really look up to? So I, I don't know. I was fine being, being my little bashful self, blushing, blushing self, I guess.

• 42:37Kylie Kelce?

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• 44:46Kylie Kelce?

  Like I mentioned earlier, I definitely went down a TikTok rabbit hole before this, and I'm glad I did because there's quite a few things I need to ask you about, if that's okay?

• 44:53Speaker 03

  Please do. I'm reapplying my lip balm while you ask me.

• 44:56Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. First of all, I love how much you love the movie Shrek.

• 45:02Kylie Kelce?

  You have multiple TikToks dedicated to this passion, including one where you went to a Shrek rave?

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 45:10Kylie Kelce?

  Queen Emma, can we shut?

• 45:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:16Kylie Kelce?

  Uh huh.

• 45:18Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  I love hearing this in my headphones.

• 45:25Kylie Kelce?

  Good.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  I was invited to that rave by someone I know, and I said, hell, yes.

• 45:33Kylie Kelce?

  How are you gonna pass that up?

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Oh, well, I wasn't. And thank God I was, thank God I was in town and available, because I think there was another one in LA this, they're, this year, they're like yearly, and I was in New York and I couldn't go. But I, you know, gathered what I could of a Farquad costume and gathered up my boyfriend and my, one of my best friends and, and we went and had, it could have been better. No offense to Shrek rave. I found, like, the music wasn't...

• 46:09Speaker 03

  You know, when, and I'm not a club person. I don't, I don't like clubs, but like when the music's not loud enough. So it's just kind of an awkward volume. It was a little bit of that. And then, um, not enough of that kind of song. Like, I want to hear, "What Are You Doing in My Swamp," remix blasting, and I want to be dancing my little heart out. And it just kind of wasn't that. It wasn't the music I was hoping it would be. So I think, yeah, I would love to go again in the future if the opportunity comes along. And hopefully, maybe we can get some more ravey Shrek music.

• 46:48Kylie Kelce?

  I do think with the music being as good as it is, the fact that they have not, like leaned into that harder at the rave feels like a missed opportunity.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  I agree. I think there should be harder Shrek rave music at Shrek rave. So I'm, I'm leaving that out there.

• 47:06Kylie Kelce?

  That's good feedback now. Next thing from Lily Tik Tok Rabbit Hole. I think I speak for myself and my husband when I say incredible work with the Halloween costume this year. Queen Emma, the clip, please.

• 47:26Kylie Kelce?

  Such a good transition.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Thank you. A lot of people didn't know who the hell I was, which is fine. Uh, but lots of-

• 47:36Kylie Kelce?

  In our house, I have to know who this is because I don't know if you've seen this, but my husband has that exact sweater.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  It's an iconic film and he's an incredible character, the dude. And I've always, I have a little list of notes on my phone of Halloween costumes that I want to do, like in my life. And, uh, that was one that was on the list for like two years. I bought a fake beard off of Amazon and then I got gray, uh, like paint, like face paint. And I was taking an eyebrow brush and, and brushing the beard to get it to, to turn gray, to get, to get his right shade.

• 48:19Kylie Kelce?

  Sounds like you were leaning into that alt, uh, that alternative, uh, profession that you talked about earlier. You were channeling your- Your special effects makeup artist.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Well, I used to do, I used to do a lot of that. Like, I love to, like, it's like a face paint. Like, I love to, like, paint things on my face. But my skin is so sensitive and I have such annoying acne-prone skin that I usually don't go out of my way to do that anymore. Like, the second I can take my makeup, as soon as we're done here, makeup's coming off. Like, skin's gotta breathe. I can't, I don't want, I don't want any makeup. I had to do a morning talk show this morning, so I've been in glam for a minute now. I'm like, we gotta get the skin breathing.

• 49:03Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, my God, let's get you out of it.

• 49:07Kylie Kelce?

  Let's keep going, so we can get you out of it.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  I'm in no rush.

• 49:12Kylie Kelce?

  So, speaking of makeup, I did recently read that you've been doing your own makeup since the middle of the show's run on Riverdale. Is that right?

• 49:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, since, like, season three, I started to do my own makeup. But I've just always loved makeup. Like, I think it's, I enjoy doing it. So, I, I don't know. I guess I...

• 49:35Kylie Kelce?

  How did you learn?

• 49:38Kylie Kelce?

  Just by doing?

• 49:39Speaker 03

  Well, I watched a lot of YouTube tutorials. Like, I grew up in the, in the age of YouTube makeup tutorials. And I would go to MAC and buy a $20 eyeshadow that I shouldn't have been spending the money on. And I would go to Sephora and my whole hand would be covered in swatches.

• 49:56Kylie Kelce?

  It's, it's so funny. We, I firmly believe that kids nowadays are missing out on the YouTube tutorial moment that we were able to capitalize on.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  It was pretty incredible. And I, and they were, they were really selling me. Like, I didn't know how much I was going, oh, well, well, I need that. Like, I need that MAC eyeshadow. And I won't be able to do this look without that.

• 50:20Kylie Kelce?

  Now, in response to your skincare, you actually started your own line called Personal Day to help with that. Is that true?

• 50:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I launched a skincare line a year ago called Personal Day that is targeted or made specifically for people with acne prone and sensitive skin in mind. Because there's a lot of bad products out there that, you know, are expensive and claim that they're great for everyone, but they actually break you out. And so I was called to and inspired to create a line that was, you know, had no acne triggering ingredients. And it's been a really beautiful, fun, challenging, inspiring project. Not, not even, it's not a project, it's a huge pillar of my life and my career now.

• 51:08Kylie Kelce?

  I do think it's so important that something that I'm sure impacted your life so heavily with having sensitive skin, or acne prone skin, or breakout, or eczema, or whatever it was, to answer that call for yourself, knowing how much it probably impacts other people. It's like creating this, this, something that other people can enjoy because you know how, how much it impacted you.

• 51:38Speaker 03

  It's the only reason why I wanted to do it. I, I never, I said no to many other opportunities to like, you know, at a certain point, people go, do you want a brand? Like when you reach a certain, you know, Instagram following. And I always said, no, I wasn't interested in that. It seemed like a waste of, what do I have anything to do with a company? But then when I, you know, found that I could actually bring these products to market in this specific way of being very mindful of these acne triggering ingredients and making a line top to bottom that doesn't have those, that was really what was a game changer for me as someone who had acne since I was 12.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  And I know firsthand how bad acne can affect your mental health. And back then, you know, I was in high school without a pimple patch, couldn't cover that shit up. Just had my gross, like concealer that was sitting on top of my volcanic cystic pimple in the middle of my face. So I just think I really know, and I still had acne, I'm 29, I've, I still have acne. So I, I, I know how it feels to wake up and. I, you know, sometimes I wake up, like if it's on the day of a big event, I'll immediately touch my forehead when I wake up to make sure I didn't have a pimple come up overnight because of how.

• 53:02Kylie Kelce?

  Ingrained it is in your.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just how traumatized I am from that experience of, oh, my God, I have this thing on my face and it's destroying my day. And I've canceled plans because of my skin and like gotten, I got bangs when I was in a freshman in high school to cover my acne and they looked horrible. I'm not supposed to have bangs. My hair, my hair was not, I have a very frizzy, fine, bad hair.

• 53:32Kylie Kelce?

  You made more work for yourself.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Yeah. I was like, you know, canceling out the, the acne by putting my oily ass bangs on my forehead and making it worse. Um, I wish someone would have told me when I was a teenager that I didn't need to feel ashamed of my skin and that it was so normal and fine and that no one was caring about my pimple more than me. And I could just go about my day without worrying about people's opinions of my skin. And I feel like it's such a, it is such a thing where, and I notice other people do it and I definitely did it and still do it too. If I have a pimple, you know, if I'm going out for lunch with someone and I have a pimple, I go, I have this pimple on my face, by the way, like, let's get, let's get the elephant out of the room. It's, you know, with women, you

• 54:20Speaker 03

  know, you, if, if I gain a few pounds or whatever, it's like the first thing you say is, yeah, I mean, I'm not looking too good right now. It's, it's just, it's like the, it's like an instinct to share when you think you don't look good. So you beat others to the punch. Before they can say it about you, you say it about yourself. And I think it's sort of this weird protective measure that I noticed in myself and I noticed in other people. And I, and I think, um, I wish we didn't do that. And I wish we didn't have that. Like wiring in us to kind of acknowledge what's wrong with us first. So other people

• 55:04Speaker 03

  don't, you know what I'm saying?

• 55:06Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, absolutely. I, I do it all the time. I could tell you times where I did it about as it, where specifically like I would get the same ones in the same area. We'll say

• 55:22Kylie Kelce?

  about the same time every month and I would get them like deep ones that would like take a couple of days. And then all of a sudden it is literally, it's staring at you like a third eye.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  In a, yeah.

• 55:33Kylie Kelce?

  And I would be like, I'm not growing a horn. It's just a zit. And like, they didn't think I was growing a horn. Why am I talking about it? We can, we all know it's there.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:46Kylie Kelce?

  I absolutely, I am absolutely someone who did that.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:50Kylie Kelce?

  And I do think it's silly because then it's like, why did we have to be self deprecating about something that we have absolutely no control over?

• 55:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:59Kylie Kelce?

  I cannot thank you enough for coming on and chatting today. It has been an absolute pleasure to chat with you and I cannot wait to dive into Helen Harper. Make sure to check it out now. Uh, new episodes are streaming every Sunday on movie. The show finale airs Sunday, November 30th.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 56:20Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Lily on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. I'll be back on Tuesday with a brand new episode. Remember it's the solo Thanksgiving special. So please send in all your questions for me to answer at NGL with Kylie. Follow Not Gonna Lie on all social media, listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original brought to you by WhatsApp. The best group chats happen on WhatsApp. Thanks to the real ones for tuning in.