Pod Insights Norah Jones Is Playing Along Josh Groban About this episode Tony and GRAMMY nominee Josh Groban chats with Norah about being a "late bloomer" in finding his voice, life on and off the stage, and their shared love of musical theater.
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2:18 Speaker 02 This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You can visit Norah Jones' channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with Josh Groban.
2:43 Speaker 02 Hey, I'm Norah Jones and welcome to the show. Here we are, me and my Oda, Sarah Oda.
2:48 Speaker 04 Welcome to the show.
2:49 Speaker 02 Hey, co-pilot.
2:50 Speaker 04 We have an amazing episode today with Grammy nominated singer-songwriter, actor, musical theater performer, Josh Groban. He spans across generations and genres with his very warm, rich, baritone voice. It's unforgettable. And he moves seamlessly from classical music to Broadway. His voice is just so good, it can do anything.
3:13 Speaker 02 He's incredible. Actually, hearing his voice in the room was very special.
3:17 Speaker 04 Powerful.
3:17 Speaker 02 Very powerful. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. He's also just a very fun person and sweetheart and just all-around great guy.
3:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:27 Speaker 02 Josh will release his new album Cinematic in early May, and it's a collection of some of the most iconic songs featured in film. The album spans favorites like Can You Feel the Love Tonight from The Lion King and Skyfall, the James Bond theme, to timeless classics, including Moon River from Breakfast at Tiffany's, As Time Goes By from Casablanca, and When You Wish Upon a Star from Pinocchio, along with a stirring newer rendition of Stand By Me.
3:55 Speaker 04 In this episode, you're going to hear about how he sort of found his voice and how he kind of had to learn how to become a frontman, some of the differences between the acting world versus the singing world, and also your shared love of musical theater, which...
4:11 Speaker 02 Specifically Andrew Lloyd Webber.
4:13 Speaker 04 Specifically. And culminating into these powerful duets, including a Broadway classic.
4:21 Speaker 02 Oh my God, I got to live my dream. So please enjoy the episode with Josh Groban.
4:27 Speaker 02 Well, thanks for coming today.
4:29 Speaker 05 I am so happy to finally be in this wonderful room with you.
4:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm so happy it worked out. And last time I saw you, we were doing that beautiful benefit.
4:39 Speaker 05 Which, thank you for joining us.
4:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, is this your organization?
4:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, so this was our second year at Jazz Lincoln Center. You know, I know we're both products of arts education. You posted that picture on Instagram of you and band.
4:52 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, marching band.
4:53 Speaker 05 Which was like, so cool that you did that. And yeah, so I am so grateful for the arts teachers that I had, the music teachers that opened up my world when I was younger. And so, you know, my fans like from early on showed a real interest in giving back in more ways than just buying the music and stuff. They would always ask me on birthdays and stuff, where can we give?
5:14 Speaker 02 That's really sweet, really?
5:16 Speaker 05 Yeah, and at some point, they actually, like, they gave me a huge donation at a concert. I was playing the Greek in LA, and they stopped the show, and they gave me like this jumbo check. And they'd auctioned off like all kinds of stuff. And they gave me a check for like $25,000. And they said, "One day, if you start a foundation, we want this to be your first donation."
5:34 Speaker 02 Wait, who's "they"?
5:36 Speaker 05 It was like a group of...
5:38 Speaker 02 Can we go back a second?
5:40 Speaker 05 It was about 10 fans.
5:42 Speaker 02 Like a fan club kind of thing?
5:43 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly.
5:44 Speaker 02 Okay, gotcha.
5:44 Speaker 05 And they kind of galvanized other fans.
5:46 Speaker 02 Okay.
5:47 Speaker 05 And they raised money.
5:48 Speaker 02 Just to do something good.
5:50 Speaker 05 Just to do something good. And they said, "We really want to..." And you know, as you know, when fans kind of stop the show in the front row, like, and I go, "Okay, what's this gonna be now?"
5:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:59 Speaker 05 But it was...
6:00 Speaker 02 That never happens to me.
6:01 Speaker 05 It was lovely.
6:01 Speaker 02 I don't know.
6:02 Speaker 05 Well, it rarely happens to me too. It's a fairly, you know, usually they're pretty calm. But they wanted to stop, and they said, "No, no, no, give us the mic." I'm going, "Okay." And it started as just the Josh Groban Foundation, because I didn't know what I wanted to make my cause yet. We just wanted an umbrella that we could take in money and give it to whoever. That wound up just being... A little too broad because you can give a little bit to a lot of organizations, but those organizations generally have a lot of money coming their way anyway.
6:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:35 Speaker 05 And then I got, have you ever done Arts on the Hill Day in DC?
6:38 Speaker 02 No.
6:38 Speaker 05 You'd be amazing doing this, where it's basically, you know, Congress gives, has one day a year where they allow a lot of conversations to take place about funding the arts in the country. And so the year that I did it, it was me, Wynton Marsalis, and Linda Ronstadt.
6:56 Speaker 02 Oh, my God, amazing.
6:57 Speaker 05 Sandwiched between these geniuses.
6:59 Speaker 02 Was it a long time ago she was singing?
7:01 Speaker 05 It was a long time ago. She didn't sing that day. She just spoke about her experiences. But it was a chance, as I was talking about it, and as I was listening to them talk about it, I realized that it was something that was so deep in me that this was a cause that I felt very, very passionate about. I also hadn't died yet, so I didn't want to call it the Josh Groban Foundation.
7:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, there's something like posthumous about that.
7:25 Speaker 05 Well, a couple of things, yeah, exactly, totally, yeah. Hadn't died, and also, I just, I didn't want like the stock market ebb and flow of how I was doing in the industry to affect like the popularity of whether or not the work of the foundation was doing spectacularly. And so I didn't necessarily want to like make it about me, so we changed the name.
7:50 Speaker 02 Is that a thing that happens? I don't really know.
7:52 Speaker 05 Well, you know, when you name a foundation after a person.
7:54 Speaker 02 Oh, you don't want the growth or the losses.
7:57 Speaker 05 I just didn't want me as Josh Groban to like have, like, to be the whole part of it, you know? What if I decide to just like live on a ranch and take care of old dogs, you know?
8:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, I can also imagine it's hard to get money for a foundation without a clear what you're doing.
8:16 Speaker 05 You have to have a clear vision.
8:17 Speaker 02 You have to be saying what you're doing.
8:18 Speaker 05 You have to tell the story, and especially with something like Arts and Arts Ed, where there's already kind of a stigma around it of like, well, why? Why my hard-earned money for, what are they doing? Drum circles? Like, what's going on?
8:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
8:29 Speaker 05 And so a lot of our mission is to, is to really kind of convince the non-believers why the science behind it is so important, that this is not a talent search, this is not just a feel-good. It's great that it's a feel-good, but that it really is about, you know, what it's doing to a young student's brain, how it's allowing them to express themselves. And in communities where we have
8:53 Speaker 05 You know what we call like these arts deserts where there really is not a lot of arts ed, you know, giving them the opportunity to express themselves is the first time in their whole lives where they've had the chance to do that, even at home. And so we've had the most fun, it's fun to preach to the choir, but the most fun is when you get like the government person or the businessy person and they walk out of there like with tears in their eyes and you're just like, you know, actually, now that I think about it, it was that saxophone teacher when I was a young youth in Connecticut and you know, and so it does, it does eventually melt the coldest of hearts. And, and yeah, so we've, it's now the Find Your Light Foundation. It's not, it's not the JG Foundation, it's Find Your Light. And, and you were awesome. And, and I know it means a lot to you too. So, thank you so much.
9:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, it does mean a lot to me. And I, it was really beautiful night and you worked it. You worked it so hard.
9:46 Speaker 05 I put myself to work.
9:48 Speaker 02 You were really, you were the emcee and you were like auctioning stuff off. You were working hard. And every time I saw you backstage, you were so nice and you were trying to talk to me. And I was like, I don't want to take your energy right now because I knew you were so deep in it.
10:01 Speaker 05 You were saying to me, you're like, wow, they're really putting you to work. I said, yeah, this is my one night a year where.
10:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was like, we'll talk later.
10:06 Speaker 05 Well, I mean, within a foundation, within, within foundation work, like there are so many, it takes a village. There's so many, there's so many people that are doing the nuts and bolts, sleeves rolled up work every day to reach out to the programs and to do the funding and the grant reviewing and things like that. You know, that part is, you know, harder for me. So, the one thing I can do is, you know, go out there and be Mr. Host Guy, you know, one, one night a year. It's my time to shine.
10:33 Speaker 02 Well, it's great.
10:34 Speaker 05 But I did my best. I was way less smooth with it when we did it the first time at City Winery here in New York. And all my friends that were there were just like, dude, breathe, just breathe. Are you nervous?
10:43 Speaker 02 They're giving you advice.
10:44 Speaker 05 I'm good. It's going great, right? It's like, yeah, man, look, everybody's here for you. It's all, it's all okay.
10:49 Speaker 02 That's so funny. Well, I was wondering if you wanted to put our arts education to the test and try a song.
10:54 Speaker 05 We should put our arts education to the, yes, we should.
10:56 Speaker 02 That neither of us have done before.
10:57 Speaker 05 Oh, are we gonna start with one we haven't done before?
10:59 Speaker 02 I don't know.
11:00 Speaker 05 Yeah, let's do that.
11:01 Speaker 02 Do you want to try it?
11:02 Speaker 05 Yes.
11:03 Speaker 02 Why not?
11:04 Speaker 05 We both love the Everly Brothers.
11:05 Speaker 02 Yes.
11:06 Speaker 05 And I think it's actually a good theme of a song for the, kind of the message too of what we were, what we're talking about.
11:10 Speaker 02 Oh, my gosh, you're definitely right about that.
11:12 Speaker 05 Helping young students achieve their dream, dream, dreams.
11:16 Speaker 02 Yeah. Have you really never sung this song?
11:17 Speaker 05 I've never sung it. Not, I haven't even like. Whispered it to myself. I thought to myself, well, if we do this, we'll just kind of like figure it out in the room.
11:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:25 Speaker 05 So this is my first time even trying it.
11:27 Speaker 02 Let's see what happens.
11:29 Speaker 05 Okay.
11:29 Speaker 02 All right.
11:30 Speaker 05 All right.
11:33 Speaker 05 Let's give it a whirl.
11:46 Speaker 06 Dream, dream, dream, dream, dream. Dream, dream, dream when I want you. In my arms when I want you. And all your charms whenever I want you. All I have to do is dream. Dream, dream, dream when I feel blue. In the night and I need you
12:28 Speaker 06 to hold me tight whenever I want you. All I have to do is dream. I can make you mine. Taste your lips of wine. Anytime, night or day. Only trouble is, gee whiz, I'm dreaming my life away. I need you so. Then I could die, I love you so.
13:13 Speaker 06 And that is why, whenever I want you, all I have to do is dream. Dream, dream, dream, dream.
13:33 Speaker 06 I can make you mine, taste your lips of wine, anytime, night or day. Only trouble is, gee whiz, I'm dreaming my life away. I need you so that I could die, I love you so. And that is why, whenever I want you, all I have to do is dream.
14:16 Speaker 06 Dream, dream, dream, dream. Dream, dream, dream, dream. Dream, dream, dream, dream.
14:39 Speaker 02 Aww, that's so cute.
14:41 Speaker 05 I love that song, yeah.
14:43 Speaker 02 That was pretty.
14:44 Speaker 05 That was pretty.
14:45 Speaker 02 Oh, goodie.
14:46 Speaker 05 Good.
14:46 Speaker 02 Thanks, that was really fun.
14:47 Speaker 05 Thank you.
14:48 Speaker 02 I'm glad you suggested that song.
14:50 Speaker 05 I love, I just, first of all, I love the Everly Brothers.
14:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:54 Speaker 05 I saw Simon and Garfunkel in concert once, they did their old friends tour and they brought out the Everly Brothers.
14:58 Speaker 02 Oh, how fun.
14:59 Speaker 05 Because they were so influenced by them.
15:01 Speaker 02 I'm sure.
15:02 Speaker 05 And they brought them out and it was just like, it was so great to see them on stage and, um, yeah, those harmonies and those melodies just never get old.
15:10 Speaker 02 They're just really, really classic.
15:13 Speaker 05 And they're sweet.
15:13 Speaker 02 They're sweet.
15:14 Speaker 05 You know, it represents just like a, there was no cynicism, you know, it was just, it's just, um, there's something about them that just makes me smile.
15:22 Speaker 02 I know, it's beautiful. Do you gravitate, you seem like someone, from doing that show with you and then just the few minutes we were on stage working out that other song, you seem like you're really into harmonies and you're good at them.
15:37 Speaker 05 I love harmonizing.
15:38 Speaker 02 Is that your thing?
15:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, when I'm in the studio, um, I'm, yeah, I kind of have to stop myself sometimes from like over harmonizing or finding a harmony for everything.
15:47 Speaker 02 I know what you mean.
15:48 Speaker 05 Because I... It's always so tempting to just find that line that's just like, and then I'll always say like, oh, there's a, there's definitely a harmony here. I could definitely go in and sometimes it's not necessary.
15:57 Speaker 02 It becomes like a prog rock song.
15:58 Speaker 05 Totally, absolutely.
15:59 Speaker 02 Like a guitar solo that's harmonized it 20 times.
16:02 Speaker 05 100%. Why wouldn't you? If you can harmonize on something, do it. But sometimes more is not more. And, but yeah, no, I do. I love a good harmony.
16:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm with you.
16:11 Speaker 05 I've noticed you do a lot of harmonies on this podcast. You're so amazing at adapting when you have an artist come in here.
16:18 Speaker 02 Oh, thanks.
16:19 Speaker 05 And finding that, and so gracious. You always take, like, when we were out there, it's like, yeah, no, I'll take the, I'll take the other part. I always find, and I like doing that with artists as well. I find there's something like, I think being like the soloist for so long, I really, I love, I miss my choir days. Like, I miss, I miss the blend, you know? And I really like, I really like kind of finding that other, the other part.
16:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's fun to be in a, in a group vocally that, and the energy of the voices also, and it's like this natural bodily, it's a bodily function? Or I don't know what you could call it.
16:56 Speaker 05 It is. You become like one living, breathing being. And, you know, as somebody who kind of got thrown into a very extroverted business, but is very much an introvert myself, there was something very comforting about being in the blend. And I came from a blendy world. Like, that teacher that I was talking about, that was like a jazz vocal ensemble. I was in like a contemporary jazz vocal ensemble in junior high.
17:15 Speaker 02 Okay.
17:16 Speaker 05 And I, and then all of a sudden, I was like plucked into solo land, and I was just like, ah, this light is so bright.
17:20 Speaker 02 This light is so bright.
17:21 Speaker 05 So bright. Why? Why? And so whenever I get a chance to, to work with, you know, a group of singers, it's just, it's just the best.
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20:04 Speaker 02 So the jazz vocal choir in junior high, that couldn't have been your first singing foray, was it?
20:11 Speaker 05 It was in front of any kind of audience. I mean, there was the bedroom singing.
20:15 Speaker 02 Was that plentiful? Like, did you do a lot of that growing up?
20:18 Speaker 05 I did, you know, sing along to just all kinds of albums and cast recordings and singers that I grew up loving. And, you know, just kind of, I loved singing along with people like Mel Tormé and just kind of, you know, other kind of more baritone-y kind of voices I just, I loved singing along with. But, you know, I was like, I was a late bloomer as far as... Finding my voice and and my voice didn't even change until I was like middle of eighth grade. So I was I was really, you know, kind of struggling to find any kind of musical vocal identity. And it was that music teacher who was like, hey, there's a quality here. I think there's something there. I'm gonna pull you out to the front because nobody else is gonna,
21:01 Speaker 05 you know, have you do that. And I can he could tell that I wasn't gonna do that for myself. I was not a
21:07 Speaker 02 You weren't like a raise your hand type?
21:09 Speaker 05 Oh, I'll get this one, guys. No, I was not a raise my hand type. I was a very shy kid, just in general, even academically. And there was all kinds of stuff going on at that time in my life. Like, I didn't know that I had ADD. Like, there was all this stuff where I was just I was a back of the class kid because I felt just so much more comfortable just being in my own little world. So that aha moment of a teacher saying, I'm gonna give you a solo and it's an assignment. You have to do it.
21:36 Speaker 02 It's a test for yourself.
21:37 Speaker 05 It was. And it could have been, I would not, you know, it could have been absolutely dreadful, embarrassing. It could have been one of those moments where, you know, worst nightmare scenario where I let the nerves get to me and the class was mean. And I would have gone into that, I would be on the farm with the old dogs now, you know, but it was the opposite of that. Like any great teacher, he saw potential and he knew that I wouldn't fall. So strange side note, Jason Schwartzman, the actor, played drums behind me.
22:10 Speaker 02 Really?
22:10 Speaker 05 We went to the same high school.
22:11 Speaker 02 Oh, have fun.
22:12 Speaker 05 And we did George Gershwin's Wonderful and with scat solo.
22:16 Speaker 02 What?
22:17 Speaker 05 Well, it's so the first and last time I ever attempted
22:21 Speaker 02 Did you plan it out? Like,
22:23 Speaker 05 No, I just he just gave me
22:24 Speaker 02 You definitely improvised.
22:25 Speaker 05 Take eight bars there. Yeah, I did. I improvised.
22:28 Speaker 02 Full improvised.
22:28 Speaker 05 I fully improvised it because my dad is a big jazz person. He played jazz trumpet all through college and high school.
22:34 Speaker 02 Oh, cool.
22:34 Speaker 05 And came from a very conservative family. And they were like, that's no way to make a living. You got to go into business. And so he did. But he was always like scat singing and whistling throughout the house. And so I kind of said, yeah, I think I've done this before. So yeah, so it's wonderful jazz vocal ensemble. The kids were great. I got like a standing O.
22:50 Speaker 02 Wow.
22:50 Speaker 05 And the bullies came over to me the next day and were just like, yeah, bro, that was great.
22:53 Speaker 02 Are you serious?
22:54 Speaker 05 Keep doing your thing, man.
22:55 Speaker 02 Changed everything.
22:56 Speaker 05 Got the voice of an angel, bro.
22:57 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
22:57 Speaker 05 You know, yeah, I'm like, wow, thanks, Biff.
22:59 Speaker 02 Wow.
23:00 Speaker 05 And if I was like, if I can get that guy.
23:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:02 Speaker 05 All right, maybe I'm on to something.
23:04 Speaker 02 And this is like eighth grade?
23:05 Speaker 05 This was, yeah, seventh, eighth grade.
23:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:08 Speaker 05 And then I was signed You know, right after 11th grade.
23:11 Speaker 02 What?
23:11 Speaker 05 So, the time period between not raising my hand and all of a sudden having to be, as you know, that light is bright and it's sudden. And like, that was, I didn't start to like, really enjoy it in my own skin until like 10 years into the business. Like, because I was always playing catch up. I felt like I was always chasing the domino.
23:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, I can relate a little bit.
23:37 Speaker 05 Well, yeah, I mean, just, but you always-
23:39 Speaker 02 But I was older. I was a little older.
23:42 Speaker 05 Were you?
23:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was 22 when my first album came out.
23:44 Speaker 05 I was signed at that age, but I was about that age too when my first album came out. It took a minute.
23:50 Speaker 02 But that was back when they used to sign artists and actually help them develop their sound.
23:54 Speaker 05 That's right. We actually, we had the benefit-
23:56 Speaker 02 I don't think they do that anymore.
23:57 Speaker 05 Of producers that were like, let's just, like, we're gonna close the door to the world and we're gonna come up with something that is ours and we'll let everybody know when we've found it.
24:05 Speaker 02 They see potential in you and they help you figure it out.
24:09 Speaker 05 Totally.
24:10 Speaker 02 And you felt like that was the case?
24:11 Speaker 05 That was the case. David Foster was one of those guys that-
24:13 Speaker 02 Oh, it was David Foster, that's right, of course.
24:15 Speaker 05 So, he, you know, we both benefited from having mentors at that age that had seen it all, had been through it, and, you know, had, David had a very clear idea and he's very type A as a producer. But, you know, but there were, there were growing pains there for the two of us that were really, really important. If I had just gone along entirely with what he wanted to do, I wouldn't still be here.
24:44 Speaker 02 But you didn't?
24:45 Speaker 05 No.
24:45 Speaker 02 You felt strong enough at that age?
24:47 Speaker 05 I was such a people pleaser at first. So, the fact that like, somebody wanted to hear me sing and he was really very assertive about what he wanted me to sing. And I just wanted to make everybody happy. And it started that way. And I was singing, you know, just all kinds of things trying to find it. Italian art songs and jazz songs and, and, um, and he never thought, he never thought I'd ever sing in English. So, at the time that he signed me, it was like, you know, this kind of crossover-y classical world was like so big. And so, he's thinking- We're gonna take, we're gonna take this kid and we're just gonna, it's just gonna be Italian and French and just, it's gonna be that only. Over my dead body will it be any English.
25:28 Speaker 02 Is that what you had been doing between jazz choir in eighth grade?
25:31 Speaker 05 I was learning those languages in my voice lessons.
25:34 Speaker 02 Okay, so you're doing that kind of thing?
25:35 Speaker 05 I was doing those things. I was singing those songs and I was really enjoying how those vowels felt vocally and I was enjoying singing them, but I never thought that that was something anybody would wanna hear. I'd never thought that that's something, I was a musical theater kid, so for me, I did not have dreams of singing Nessun Dorma or doing, I love opera, huge fan of opera, but I was also self-aware enough that my voice wasn't exactly right for that. It always kind of fell somewhere in the middle and I loved, you know, Sondheim and I loved, you know, those, those songs and so...
26:08 Speaker 02 And there's no shortage of them.
26:10 Speaker 05 There's no shortage of them, but I had to convince David.
26:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:12 Speaker 05 I remember specifically, there was like a song where I went off, he's like, "Well, if you wanna sing in English, go work with this person and like, you know, bring it back." And then I played it for him, he's like, "Oh wow, English, that could be it." You know, I never would have expected that that would then turn into, you know, just kind of, it evolved throughout the course of my career, which was very lucky.
26:29 Speaker 02 And, and how old were you when the first album finally came out?
26:32 Speaker 05 Um, I think I was around 21, 22.
26:35 Speaker 02 Okay.
26:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, and because it took...
26:36 Speaker 02 What year was that?
26:38 Speaker 05 2001.
26:39 Speaker 02 Okay, so that, yeah.
26:41 Speaker 05 It was, you know, it was a crazy time for the country, it was a crazy time for the world, it was, everybody's hearts were on their sleeve and, and I think everybody was turning to music to feel connected and to heal and, you know, when you release music during a time when the world is just upside down, it's an interesting thing because, you know, you, you very much feel like it's become a little bit bigger than just the thing that would happen, you know, Andre Thoth 3000 gave that great speech about great things happen in small rooms, you know, and we were in this tiny room for two years, this little studio in Malibu that he had, where it was just me and him and an engineer, just in our own tiny little bubble, and then all of a sudden...
27:23 Speaker 05 You know, I'm singing and we're part of something bigger. That music is being listened to, not just for just ordinary everyday pleasure, but people are healing through music. And so it became very like of service. And that that made me feel, the introvert in me felt better about it in that regard. But yeah, it was a crazy time.
27:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, my album came out in February 2002.
27:49 Speaker 05 Right.
27:49 Speaker 02 And I think a lot of people were, you know, they would scratch their heads like, why is this so popular?
27:54 Speaker 05 Really?
27:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, there was a lot of analyzing of why it became popular because it wasn't, it didn't fit into any boxes.
28:00 Speaker 05 Well, that's true. But that could also be the answer why it became so popular.
28:03 Speaker 02 Maybe.
28:04 Speaker 05 See, to me, like as a fan, I always said to myself, well, yeah, it's so easy to understand why this is so popular because it's zigging when everything else is zagging.
28:12 Speaker 02 Maybe, but I think people, a lot of people said that it was of comfort to people in a hard time in the country.
28:19 Speaker 05 Sure.
28:20 Speaker 02 And they wanted to use that as the reason.
28:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
28:23 Speaker 02 I always thought, yeah, I'm sure that was a big part of it.
28:25 Speaker 05 Well, there's, but there's, there is, you know, it's everything wrapped into it. It also.
28:31 Speaker 02 And you never really know.
28:32 Speaker 05 It also though, it was a time period also in music where there were lots of fads happening at one, at the same time. I would walk into the record label or I would walk into Billboard or wherever it was. And I would see, you know, in the lobbies, they'd have the TV screens, right? And I'd be sitting there with my Diet Coke, like waiting to go take a meeting. And I would see, you know, just endless boy bands, spiky bleach blonde hair, you know, rap rock, like everything was, there were, there were big, big fads going on at that time. And I was not, I felt like an outsider for so much of that. Like I didn't feel in the club for any of the things where there was a party happening. I was not in that party and so.
29:14 Speaker 02 You were also really young, but I guess a lot of those people were very young as well.
29:17 Speaker 05 Yeah, we were all young.
29:18 Speaker 02 It wasn't your age.
29:19 Speaker 05 No, it was, it was, it wasn't my age. It was, it was the fact that the music I was singing was like so mature.
29:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:25 Speaker 05 And so it was being my age, but then also singing stuff that was more mature for a more mature audience that made me feel like a little bit like an alien in my own universe there. But I think to that, to that point though, at the end of the day, and it's a lesson that I've tried to keep with me for now 25 years doing this, which is that. It's always easy to look at the noise. It's always easy to look at what's, you know, the big popular thing, what's the bandwagon? And at the end of the day, whether it's a moment in history that everybody needs to connect, or whatever it is, it doesn't even have to be that. People just want to feel authenticity. They want to feel like the human voice has the opportunity to reach people just simply. And I think people lose track of that.
30:06 Speaker 02 I think people don't give audience members enough credit.
30:10 Speaker 05 Right.
30:11 Speaker 02 They can't put it into words always, but they only are going to respond to something authentic.
30:16 Speaker 05 That's totally right. And I think that is why The Magnificent Norah Jones became so popular. Because it hit a pathos. It did. Your voice is unlike anything else. And David Foster always used to say to me, you know, don't be a perfect singer. Be a singer that in a crowded restaurant, somebody could recognize that in five seconds. And I always thought like, oh, that's really good advice.
30:40 Speaker 02 It is really good advice.
30:41 Speaker 05 Because I meet singers all the time that I'm jealous of their range. I'm jealous of their voice. And yet, I could stack it up with 10 other singers, back to back, and I would say, oh, they're all way better singers than me, and I can't tell them apart. And so I think that was valuable.
30:59 Speaker 02 Well, it's important to have, find your own voice. And also, I heard you say something. I listened to your Blocks podcast with Neil Brennan.
31:08 Speaker 05 Oh, with Neil, yeah.
31:09 Speaker 02 I loved it. It was so great. I know, you got so deep. It was like a therapy session. But you said a few things that I really loved. And you mentioned having stage fright, or sometimes going on stage and just not being in it yet, and having to focus on certain things to just open yourself to the energy and not worry about your voice hitting the notes or not. Just focus on the lyrics. And that is really what it's all about. If you're singing to an audience, you have to be genuine about what you're saying.
31:42 Speaker 05 Tell the story.
31:42 Speaker 02 Even if it's not your song.
31:43 Speaker 05 Right, oh, absolutely.
31:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, so I think that was a really beautiful thing.
31:47 Speaker 05 It was a great advice that I got from a voice coach that I think just helped. It was a way of unwinding my own brain. Because, you know, when... Success happens, perfectionism happens. And as a singer, you know, I'm always jealous that I can't pack it up and go do whatever. I can't put it in the case and then have a night. It's in you.
32:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:07 Speaker 05 It's in you. You're feeling all kinds of things buzzing around. You wake up one day.
32:10 Speaker 02 Your whole self-worth is like wrapped up in this thing.
32:13 Speaker 05 Is wrapped up in this thing that is part of your biology.
32:15 Speaker 02 That you can't put away at the end of the night.
32:17 Speaker 05 You can't put it away. It's attached, by the way, to your brain.
32:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, and your throat.
32:21 Speaker 05 Which is never our friend, you know. Unlike, you know, eight days a year, I feel like my brain is doing exactly what it needs to do for my voice. The rest of the time, you are, you have it on a leash and you're saying, here's where we're going today. And, you know, so the fact that that teacher said to me, just focus on the words. Just tell the story.
32:44 Speaker 02 So great. Which teacher? Was this the same teacher?
32:46 Speaker 05 I still work with her. Her name's Kristen Blodgett. No, she's a, she's a voice coach and she's a music director and she works in theater a lot.
32:51 Speaker 02 That's great.
32:51 Speaker 05 And she's, and her daughter is my dresser on Broadway. Like, it's this wonderful family. And, uh, and so I think that that was, I had gone through many, many years of voice training, not this, not this teacher at, in junior high school, but just kind of feeling a little, a little tight. Like, here are all the little things you have to think of. And if you go just a little bit this way, it's gonna blow apart. And it's, I was already an anxious neurotic kid and I think I was made more neurotic about singing through that kind of training. And it was just nice to hear someone say, just throw it off the balcony. Just tell the story, connect.
33:28 Speaker 02 That's so beautiful.
33:29 Speaker 05 And that's your salvation. And it was so true. And then I would sing better than ever.
33:32 Speaker 02 Well, the first type of training is athletic, right?
33:34 Speaker 05 Right.
33:35 Speaker 02 And that's maybe important for the way you sing and the kinds of songs you're singing. But the real truth of singing is it's about your soul.
33:43 Speaker 05 100%.
33:44 Speaker 02 And, um, yeah.
33:46 Speaker 05 And reminding myself of that when it can be so athletic is, is always my, my biggest challenge before a show.
33:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:52 Speaker 05 I can get my voice to where it needs to be to be like impressive in a show. I can do the warmups. I can get myself a couple of songs in, I'm going, okay, I'm in, I'm in the zone. Um, what I'm always needing to bring myself back into myself is, uh, is, is that, is, okay. Yeah, this is the 75th show of a tour or 100, 200th show on Broadway, whatever it is. And it's reminding your soul where it needs to be, not necessarily where your voice needs to be.
34:16 Speaker 02 It's also, it's a lot about presence. Um, I play with this drummer, Brian Blade, and he's the most present musician I've ever played with.
34:23 Speaker 05 Right.
34:24 Speaker 02 And I don't know how he got there, but I think he's probably just always been that way. But it's been a real lesson in presence on stage. And you're reacting in the moment, no matter how rehearsed something is. It's still in the moment. And that's, that's the beauty of it for the audience.
34:42 Speaker 05 Totally. And they know it, they can feel it.
34:43 Speaker 02 They can tell if you've checked out and you started thinking about what you're gonna have after the show to eat. I've done that.
34:49 Speaker 05 I have done that. And by the way, I will just say though, in defense of thinking about what you're gonna eat on stage, sometimes that is a great motivator to get to the last five songs.
35:00 Speaker 05 But then bring yourself back in.
35:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, because they can tell you're spacing out.
35:05 Speaker 05 An ADD boy over here, like, you know, sometimes I just like, I'll say, oh, oh, you, you, hang on. You had spent a whole verse on another planet.
35:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
35:13 Speaker 05 Come back in. They, you know, the audience sometimes won't know why they know, but they know. That presence, you have to constantly find yourself, you know, being, being back with them.
35:24 Speaker 02 Yes.
35:24 Speaker 05 That's why I like smaller venues.
35:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, or being like, I like to focus sometimes on my drummer too. And so we were kind of like, oh, I'm focused on the band and playing music together. And, and it helps me just sort of stay in the moment.
35:37 Speaker 05 Totally. The band is important. My music director, Tarek, has been with me for my whole, like, all 25 years.
35:42 Speaker 02 Oh, wow, really?
35:43 Speaker 05 Yeah, and he is, he's that, he's that connector for me because he is, like your drummer, so present. He is, there's joy that comes from him, every note that he's playing.
35:52 Speaker 02 That's great.
35:53 Speaker 05 And you can tell he's so in it that sometimes, you know,
35:58 Speaker 05 as a lead singer, you know, everybody's behind you. You know, you're, you're always at the front, you're facing out. And, you know, I sometimes just need to like, turn around and just check in and just kind of hang back and just be, be there for a bit before I can go back out.
36:12 Speaker 02 That's, that's an interesting place to be. I don't completely relate because I'm always behind a piano.
36:17 Speaker 05 Yeah, right, which is, yeah.
36:19 Speaker 02 I've tried to go out front and not play at all, but I just feel a little more connected when I have it.
36:25 Speaker 05 I love sitting in a piano.
36:26 Speaker 02 You know what I mean?
36:26 Speaker 05 Yes.
36:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, so you play piano.
36:28 Speaker 05 I do, and I-
36:29 Speaker 02 Did you start with another instrument?
36:32 Speaker 05 No, piano was, well, piano is what I started with before, before Voice.
36:35 Speaker 02 Before you sang?
36:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, I was always just teaching myself. I, I didn't take very many lessons. I, I found them to be really- Frustrating and I can't read music. So I always just found that by ear, it was always the quickest, easiest, most intuitive way for me to learn something was that I'd listen to it. I'd sit down and I'd figure it out. And that was faster for me and more soulful for me than anything that was on the page. Now, of course, now as an adult, I wish to God that I'd learned to sight read and learn about-
37:05 Speaker 02 Can you tell my kids that?
37:06 Speaker 05 Well, yeah, yeah.
37:07 Speaker 02 Can we rewind right now?
37:08 Speaker 05 It's not fun.
37:09 Speaker 02 Everybody show your kids.
37:09 Speaker 05 But you'll be happy you did it. Yeah, I, you know, I sit in an orchestra session. We were just in London doing some orchestra sessions and I'm just looking at the score and I'm hearing them play. And I'm having to like explain through weird gibberish, like what it is that I, that the English horn needs to do differently, when I could have just gone like, yeah, we need to toss it on here. And then that needs to be an F sharp. That's a language that I think in my second life, I would love to, to learn more.
37:36 Speaker 02 Well, you find your strengths with your limitations, I think.
37:39 Speaker 05 You do.
37:39 Speaker 02 That's the best part about it.
37:40 Speaker 05 But the piano for me was my, you know, exorcism every day after, after school, after a hard day at school.
37:46 Speaker 02 Just for your own joy.
37:47 Speaker 05 I'd sit and play and my parents, to their credit, left me alone to do it. They weren't like hovering.
37:51 Speaker 02 That's beautiful.
37:52 Speaker 05 They didn't make it, um-
37:54 Speaker 02 Annoying?
37:54 Speaker 05 Annoying.
37:55 Speaker 02 As my kids tell me all the time, you're being annoying.
37:57 Speaker 05 They weren't helicopter parents about the piano. They would just, they knew, they could hear it, of course, but they knew that I was just in the zone and they'd let me get that out. And so the singing was something that happened totally different. And then the idea of singing and playing the piano was something that David Foster never thought would happen. I never thought would happen. I thought they were just two totally separate worlds. And then as I started writing more and playing more, I thought, oh, this is, this is actually kind of an extension of me. And that's very comforting. There's something I like about being, I guess it like triggered the choir thing in me where I'm collaborating now with this voice. And, and, and it's not all about me out there. I can sit here and I can be part of the sound.
38:37 Speaker 02 I think playing and accompanying yourself as well while you're singing is just another way to be present and focus in on the important parts of the song.
38:46 Speaker 05 Yep, 100%.
38:48 Speaker 02 I feel like I always sing better when I'm playing.
38:50 Speaker 05 Yeah.
38:51 Speaker 02 Because I'm not overthinking, I'm not overthinking at all. And I'm also- I'm just sort of, you know, getting through the emotion of what I'm saying.
39:02 Speaker 05 I'm also just like not naturally a like solo frontman, comfortable in my own body like,
39:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:10 Speaker 05 you know, like work the stage.
39:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:12 Speaker 05 I've had, that has been the part.
39:13 Speaker 02 Well, that's the whole thing.
39:14 Speaker 05 I didn't start that way. Now I can work it, but like.
39:16 Speaker 02 Well, you definitely can work a gala, can I just say?
39:18 Speaker 05 I got.
39:19 Speaker 02 I'm like, introvert who?
39:20 Speaker 05 That, exactly, totally. That was the part that I had to like be like put on a new hat. I had, that took so many years of figuring out like, what are my movements? Like, how do I work a stage that feels natural and doesn't feel stupid? What does that being on that horse feel like for me? Two tours had to go by before I fully understood what that felt like. And so that, that was never a natural thing for me and that's.
39:41 Speaker 02 That's hard to be pushed out there if you're not feeling in your own body.
39:46 Speaker 05 It's, it's, yeah, it's always just, it's so much easier to have an instrument.
39:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:50 Speaker 05 It is just so much easier.
39:51 Speaker 02 It's easier and what do you do when there's an instrumental section and you're just standing there? What are you doing?
39:58 Speaker 05 You know what? I asked, I used to ask that question and then I saw Leonard Cohen perform and it suddenly like clicked with me. He, every time there was, there was an instrumental break, he took off his fedora and he would just stand to the side and put it to his heart.
40:13 Speaker 02 And put it to his heart?
40:14 Speaker 05 And watch, and watch the band.
40:16 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
40:17 Speaker 05 And then he'd put the hat back on and he'd go back to the microphone. And I was just going, oh, my God, the reverence and the, the energy shift.
40:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:24 Speaker 05 And I was like, that's all, that's all, that's just, that's beauti-, I thought it was so beautiful. Just so, yeah, it was, that was really lovely to see.
40:31 Speaker 02 That's great.
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43:10 Speaker 02 Well, would you mind playing piano for me? Oh, I could play some piano, sure. Yeah, would you play some piano? Absolutely.
43:17 Speaker 05 Do you want to just follow me?
43:18 Speaker 02 I was just gonna sing harmonies on like, maybe, maybe after you do the first chorus, I'll come in on some harmonies.
43:24 Speaker 05 Sure.
43:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, absolutely.
43:25 Speaker 02 Does that sound good?
43:25 Speaker 05 Absolutely.
43:26 Speaker 02 What a pretty song. This is the Neil Diamond song.
43:30 Speaker 05 This is Neil Diamond. And so, I start, I didn't grow up, admittedly, a Neil Diamond fan. I always knew he was brilliant, and I always knew that he was, you know, huge and had so many hits, but he wasn't one of those artists that I was like, wearing out the records as a kid. And I was working on an album with Rick Rubin, and he had me write with an amazing writer named Dan Wilson. And I was going to, flying to Minneapolis like, every month to work with Dan Wilson. And as, lyrics are always the hardest part for me, and especially with a voice like mine. Rick's thing with me was like, "Your voice should, don't try to be casual." Sometimes I agreed with it more than other times, but
44:10 Speaker 05 Rick really wanted like, my voice to, to feel like poetic. And so, when I was working with Dan Wilson, we would always kind of say to ourselves, like, "Well, who's an artist that isn't afraid to kind of be unabashedly poetic and romantic in their pop music?" And we kind of kept going back to Neil.
44:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:28 Speaker 05 And we kind of said, "Yeah, he's, he's, he has always put his lyrics on that pedestal of just like, 'I'm gonna, I'm gonna take it there,' you know?" And then, Music Cares was honoring him, and I got asked to sing this song for him there. And I was just like, "Oh, I just, this is just such a beautiful way of saying all the things that it says." All right.
44:59 Speaker 05 She was morning and I was nighttime. I one day woke up to find her lying beside my bed. I softly said, "Come take me."
45:18 Speaker 05 For I've been lonely and need of someone, as though I'd done someone wrong somewhere, but I don't know where. I don't know where, come lately.
45:38 Speaker 06 You are the sun, I am the moon. You are the words, I am the tune, play me.
45:50 Speaker 06 Songs she sang to me, songs she sang to me. Words that rang to me, rhymes that sprang from me. Warm the night, and what was right became me.
46:11 Speaker 06 You are the sun, I am the moon. You are the words, I am the tune, play me.
46:42 Speaker 06 And so it was that I came to travel. Upon a road that was so narrow. Another place, another grace would save me.
47:04 Speaker 06 You are the sun, I am the moon. You are the words, I am the tune, play me. You are the sun, I am the moon. You are the words, I am the tune, play me.
47:42 Speaker 02 That's so pretty.
47:43 Speaker 05 Lovely.
47:44 Speaker 02 Yay.
47:45 Speaker 05 That was beautiful.
47:46 Speaker 02 That's fun.
47:47 Speaker 05 Great harmonies.
47:48 Speaker 02 Could you hear me?
47:49 Speaker 05 You're a harmonized fool over there. Wow. Hey.
47:51 Speaker 02 Um, could you hear me okay?
47:52 Speaker 05 I could hear you great.
47:53 Speaker 02 I think it felt really good.
47:54 Speaker 05 I loved it. I loved it.
47:55 Speaker 02 That was beautiful.
47:56 Speaker 05 Spontaneous and beautiful. Thank you for that, Mark.
47:58 Speaker 02 Also, you got some, you got a few little New Orleans licks in there. That's great. Yeah, I loved it.
48:03 Speaker 05 Um, I, I, I grew up, you know, because I taught myself piano. It was interesting that I was like taking these classical voice lessons, but I was, I was like raised on the Church of Hornsby.
48:11 Speaker 02 That's amazing.
48:12 Speaker 05 And I was writing in France once with this writer and he's like, "Oh, you have a very California style of playing piano." I was like, "Oh, that's interesting."
48:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, um, Bruce Hornsby has come up so many times in this podcast already.
48:25 Speaker 05 Has he?
48:25 Speaker 02 Definitely should, should try to get him to come on and show me.
48:28 Speaker 05 Oh, my God. I would.
48:29 Speaker 02 Show me the Hornsby ways.
48:31 Speaker 05 You and Bruce together.
48:32 Speaker 02 Have you hung out with him?
48:33 Speaker 05 No, I've never met him. I've never met him, but.
48:35 Speaker 02 Neither have I.
48:36 Speaker 05 I think that he is one of just, I mean, he is, I, I think he's just brilliant, but I, I think he's, I think he's also a little unsung as far as his genius. He's influenced so many musicians.
48:48 Speaker 02 He really has.
48:48 Speaker 05 Whether they know it or not.
48:50 Speaker 02 Yes, that's true.
48:51 Speaker 05 And, uh, and so, uh, and I just, I just love his exploration and, and him and the Noisemakers, that band is like, talk about the connection with a band.
48:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:59 Speaker 05 Really, really great.
49:00 Speaker 02 That's amazing. Do you want to change places again?
49:03 Speaker 05 Should we switch back out at my little orange stool?
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51:38 Speaker 02 Well, I was telling you about my piano bench. When I first started doing gigs in the late 90s.
51:45 Speaker 02 I had to ask for a phone book everywhere I went to sit on because I was too low.
51:50 Speaker 05 And did the gigs have a phone book readily?
51:52 Speaker 02 Yes.
51:53 Speaker 05 They were just like, oh yeah, hey Hank, go into the production room and get us that phone book?
51:56 Speaker 02 No, we're talking about restaurants.
51:58 Speaker 05 Okay.
51:59 Speaker 02 I'm in restaurants, you know, playing.
52:01 Speaker 05 Right, sure.
52:02 Speaker 02 For people who are mostly not listening, but yeah, they always had a phone book. But there's gotta be a picture somewhere of me sitting on a phone book.
52:09 Speaker 05 You have to find it. You should make that an album cover at some point.
52:11 Speaker 02 Just me on the phone book.
52:12 Speaker 05 For something, you on the phone book, yeah. Norah Jones sings the phone book.
52:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:16 Speaker 05 Yeah. That's adorable. And, you know, boy, those are the days, right? When you can just ask for a phone book and it was right there.
52:23 Speaker 02 Exactly, yeah.
52:24 Speaker 05 Yeah. And while you're at it, will you check that payphone for a quarter? Yeah.
52:28 Speaker 02 Or they'd try to offer me like a digital phone book. I'm like, no, no, no, no.
52:31 Speaker 05 What's a digital phone book?
52:32 Speaker 02 I don't know. They were like, well, I can Google whatever number you need. I was like, no.
52:36 Speaker 05 Oh, they didn't know you needed it for your bench?
52:37 Speaker 02 I needed it for my butt.
52:38 Speaker 05 Right. Yeah.
52:40 Speaker 02 Did you have early gigs before your first album came out where you were performing live?
52:45 Speaker 05 See, that's the thing that I always feel, I feel so guilty about this because I never, I didn't get to like cut my teeth doing the restaurant gigs, you know?
52:54 Speaker 02 You don't have to feel guilty about that.
52:55 Speaker 05 I do, I feel guilty because I never, I never. Yeah, but that's why I feel like every artist needs to feel that. But it was, it was kind of a, the reason for that partially was just the genre that I was in. Now, I played lots of small things.
53:07 Speaker 02 You did, okay.
53:09 Speaker 05 David would, I mean, I spent a good two years just singing at every event, every charity, every backyard, every, it was just like private stuff.
53:19 Speaker 02 But were they mostly people who were listening?
53:21 Speaker 05 Oh, no, not always.
53:22 Speaker 02 Okay, so some talky.
53:24 Speaker 05 So I guess I had kind of my restaurant experience.
53:25 Speaker 02 Paid practice there.
53:27 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. Who is this kid? You know, I was always singing during the dessert course of whatever event was going on. And, you know, that was, the challenge was always if, how do I, how do I get them to put their spoons down? Like that was, if I can, if I can get the pin drop in here, then that's a good night. But you can't win them all.
53:43 Speaker 02 No.
53:43 Speaker 05 You know, my biggest nightmare is if I'm singing somewhere and they don't. Want me there, or they don't care, you know, I have to be dragged.
53:50 Speaker 02 That's my biggest nightmare in life.
53:52 Speaker 05 Yeah, right.
53:52 Speaker 02 Just in general.
53:53 Speaker 05 I just like, I'm good. Look, I don't need to be here. Like, we're good. If you would much rather just talk amongst yourselves, I got a really cozy dressing room. I'm OK. You just got to make it then around you and your band.
54:04 Speaker 02 Yes.
54:05 Speaker 05 And do your thing, as if we were in a room like this.
54:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
54:08 Speaker 05 And I found that more times than not, I will walk offstage and go, well, that sucked. And, you know, somebody will say to me, like, God, that was just awesome. Oh, the audience was so.
54:22 Speaker 02 Oh, the perception.
54:23 Speaker 05 The perception too is oftentimes really wacky.
54:26 Speaker 02 It's really weird.
54:27 Speaker 05 And I've learned enough that I gaslight myself up there to the point where if I don't get that feedback, I will have left with an entirely different view how it went than they did.
54:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
54:38 Speaker 05 And I have to accept when I'm wrong about those things, too. And then there are other times where I'm like, crushed it. And then I'll see a review, I was like, what?
54:45 Speaker 02 Oh, don't read reviews.
54:46 Speaker 05 Well, you know, even worse, I'll read the comments.
54:50 Speaker 02 Don't read comments.
54:51 Speaker 05 Yeah, well, you know.
54:52 Speaker 02 Sometimes I'll see somebody in the front row, like, checking their phone or yawning, and I'll just... I used to get so focused on it and annoyed. And then now I just tell myself, oh, that person's on call, they're a doctor. Oh, that person is...
55:10 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
55:10 Speaker 02 Has a babysitter at home who's asking, you know, where the medicine is for the kid. And I just like, then I try to let it go.
55:17 Speaker 05 Yeah.
55:17 Speaker 02 And I just tell myself a story like that.
55:19 Speaker 05 By the way, you might very well be right.
55:21 Speaker 02 I might be right.
55:21 Speaker 05 Because who, who among us would be on their phone while you're singing?
55:25 Speaker 02 I feel like people are often.
55:28 Speaker 05 It has to be, no, it has to be an emergency.
55:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:30 Speaker 05 And, and.
55:31 Speaker 02 Or like a husband that's been drugged by his wife and doesn't want to be there.
55:35 Speaker 05 Or is in the doghouse.
55:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly.
55:36 Speaker 05 And, yeah, no, there's always, I always have to remember, too, like, everybody else has things going on.
55:42 Speaker 02 Yes, exactly. I always have to remind myself that, like, there's probably a good reason for that.
55:47 Speaker 05 This business turns all of us, even the sensitive introverts into narcissists at some point. We're just, just.
55:52 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
55:53 Speaker 05 It's, there's a, there's a whole lot of narratives going on out there.
55:56 Speaker 02 There's a lot.
55:57 Speaker 05 It's not, they're not all focused on whether or not you're singing the note right or not. Believe it or not.
56:01 Speaker 02 They're not.
56:02 Speaker 05 It ain't that important.
56:03 Speaker 02 No. But the feeling is important.
56:05 Speaker 05 It is.
56:06 Speaker 02 And it's, it's important, you know, I just want to tell you that I think you're so Cool.
56:13 Speaker 05 Oh, man.
56:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:14 Speaker 05 That means so much to me. Well, vice versa.
56:15 Speaker 02 And I just, I feel like, you know, it's from, from talking to you and from listening to the Blacks Podcast especially, I get the feeling that you didn't always feel that way.
56:27 Speaker 05 Still don't feel that way.
56:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:28 Speaker 05 And I just want you to know. I didn't feel it until Norah Jones told me that.
56:31 Speaker 02 You really are.
56:32 Speaker 05 And now I'm gonna be intolerable. I just want you to know you've started a real monster.
56:35 Speaker 02 You do. You have, you have like this magical gift. Your voice is, is, it's, it's just so beautiful.
56:42 Speaker 05 Thank you so much.
56:43 Speaker 02 And like, I feel the soulfulness in it. You know, I feel the, the warmth and all the things. But I think when you become successful at a young age, you get really, I know I had a lot of insecurities coming out as well, because I didn't know which room I fit into.
57:01 Speaker 05 Right.
57:01 Speaker 02 And I felt really insecure about being called a jazz artist, when I felt like I was kinda singing just songwriter songs at that time, even though I come from that genre.
57:10 Speaker 05 Right.
57:11 Speaker 02 And I just felt like I was just like hitting, you know, like punting balls from all angles. That sounds weird.
57:20 Speaker 05 Oh, my God. I didn't even go there with that. I was like, I totally understand. I totally understand what you're saying.
57:25 Speaker 02 I'm projecting myself now onto you a little bit, but like.
57:27 Speaker 05 Which is fascinating for me, having been a fan for so many years and thinking you're the **** coolest for the entirety of my career, to also know that a fellow artist that I've looked up to has felt that way. You were the person that, for those of us that felt like we were writing our own playbook vocally or musically, and felt like we didn't quite fit into one of the bins, you've, you've truly been such a huge inspiration for sticking to your own path and letting, letting the audience come to your soul, rather than trying to, you know, you've never pandered, you've never been anything other than Norah. And that is a reminder for any artist, veteran or, or young. And so.
58:10 Speaker 02 I'm gonna cry.
58:12 Speaker 05 Those words from you, those words from you really like, they really mean a lot to me.
58:14 Speaker 02 Thank you. Yeah. I just, I really respect you and I think. You're so funny. You're very funny.
58:21 Speaker 05 It's the demons.
58:22 Speaker 02 Do you have any acting stuff coming up? Because you're really good at it.
58:26 Speaker 05 I'd love to do, oh, thank you. Well, I would love to do more theater. I get asked sometimes to do plays and musicals and stuff. And I just, there is something about the live energy of theater that is an instinct for me that I really, I like better than camera in your face and having to feel natural when you've got a crew of 10 people around you and stuff. There's, that's a little bit less of a, that's always harder for me. When you're left alone on a stage and it's just you and the energy, there's something that feels right, but.
58:53 Speaker 02 Also, I feel like, I never realized this until I moved to New York and I went to see shows on Broadway. It's tiny.
59:02 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
59:02 Speaker 02 It's so intimate.
59:03 Speaker 05 It truly, you see stuff on.
59:04 Speaker 02 It's really special.
59:05 Speaker 05 You watch, you watch pro shots of shows and it feels like this big event. And then you're in there and you're going, oh, we're all going to share something very special in these four walls.
59:13 Speaker 02 No matter what.
59:14 Speaker 05 No matter what, exactly. And even sometimes, especially when things go a little haywire, it feels like you had something that nobody else gets. That's what I love about theater because there are some bad nights, but then you get to do it again the next day or even sometimes that same night.
59:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, oh, my God, that's so much.
59:28 Speaker 05 It's a lot, it is a lot. But you've done some acting as well, haven't you?
59:32 Speaker 02 Well, I was just going to say, actually, I did a movie, a Wong Kar Wai movie, and it was one of the most special experiences of my life. But it made me realize how lucky I am because none of my time was mine.
59:45 Speaker 05 Right, right.
59:46 Speaker 02 You're doing like 14 hour shoots and night shoots and you're theirs for a couple of months.
59:52 Speaker 05 That's right.
59:53 Speaker 02 It was amazing and I loved it. I loved every second of it, but.
59:57 Speaker 05 But it's true.
59:57 Speaker 02 That would be a hard lifestyle to maintain, I think, constantly for me.
1:00:01 Speaker 05 Totally.
1:00:01 Speaker 02 Because I'm so used to having my own schedule.
1:00:03 Speaker 05 Right, well, and sometimes it's nice to have the structure of tell me where to go, tell me what to do. But every time I've then had the privilege of being in one of those scenarios, I do the same thing. I'm always so happy that I get to go back to, I'm going to write because I feel like it today. You know, when you, it's up to you when you slide your art under the door. You know, it's, it is, we are very, very lucky.
1:00:25 Speaker 02 But at the same time, when you have time off, do you get antsy?
1:00:31 Speaker 05 There's a honeymoon period of time off that I feel so happy for the time off. And I'm just like, oh, my God, just sweats again today? Like, this is the best. There is something about just like the period of that one week, that first week where you do absolutely all, and then, and then, oh, I get, then I get really, and, and not only do I get antsy, but I start to get like a little depresso, too.
1:00:52 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:00:53 Speaker 05 And, and that's when I start to realize, okay, yeah, now it's time to do. Now it's time to go, you know, put, I guess, put your clothes back on and go, go be a person.
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1:03:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, but thanks for doing this. You want to do another song?
1:03:47 Speaker 05 Let's do another song, sure. Which one do you want to do?
1:03:50 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
1:03:51 Speaker 05 Two challenges.
1:03:52 Speaker 02 We have two challenges.
1:03:53 Speaker 05 We started with Fairly Mellow, you know.
1:03:55 Speaker 02 Hey, we started with a song we'd never sung.
1:03:57 Speaker 05 That's true. That's true. We jumped right in.
1:03:58 Speaker 02 I selfishly want to do.
1:04:00 Speaker 05 Let's do All I Ask.
1:04:01 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:04:02 Speaker 05 Because we've talked a lot about theater.
1:04:04 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:04:05 Speaker 05 And the secret theater kid in you, or maybe not so secret. Have you talked a lot about being?
1:04:08 Speaker 02 I haven't talked about theater a lot. I wasn't. The funny thing is, I was really into musical theater for like a year maybe or two, and my mom had season tickets to the Dallas Musical Theater.
1:04:21 Speaker 05 Oh, wow.
1:04:21 Speaker 02 Season, I think for two years.
1:04:23 Speaker 05 A lot of great shows tour through there.
1:04:24 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
1:04:25 Speaker 05 It's a great artsy town.
1:04:26 Speaker 02 It was amazing, and I. I had the soundtrack to Cats. I've seen Cats three times.
1:04:31 Speaker 05 You've got to be kidding me. Cats is my first musical.
1:04:33 Speaker 02 Mine too. I was seven.
1:04:34 Speaker 05 Come on. I was seven.
1:04:35 Speaker 02 What?
1:04:36 Speaker 05 You've got to be kidding me.
1:04:36 Speaker 02 My mom took me to New York and we had like a distant relative playing in the pit and got us tickets to Cats.
1:04:43 Speaker 05 Yeah. I was seven and I, it was at the Amundsen, maybe Amundsen or Pantages in LA. And they had the tunnels and the cats were like going through the tunnels.
1:04:52 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
1:04:52 Speaker 05 They were coming into the audience and I was just...
1:04:54 Speaker 02 I remember that.
1:04:55 Speaker 05 I'm a Cats defender because I understand. Look, I get it. I get it. You can't listen to memory and not cry a little bit.
1:05:03 Speaker 02 It's the most beautiful song. It's the first song I learned on the piano.
1:05:06 Speaker 05 And we both. Oh, is it really?
1:05:07 Speaker 02 I was eight. Yeah, I was seven and it was the first song I learned to like fully play.
1:05:11 Speaker 05 That's amazing.
1:05:12 Speaker 02 I mean, I gotta say, I gotta give it up. Andrew Lloyd Webber.
1:05:15 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:05:15 Speaker 02 The music is special.
1:05:17 Speaker 05 He's like a Puccini.
1:05:18 Speaker 02 It's so beautiful.
1:05:19 Speaker 05 He comes up with these melodies that, that are just, you know, people sometimes, you know, will say like it's, oh, anything that's that popular sometimes will get a little bit of heat. And it's like, well, you write that melody. Like you put those chords, like that's, these are some of the greatest.
1:05:35 Speaker 02 The chords.
1:05:35 Speaker 05 Greatest melodies, songs that have ever been written. And also the breadth of his work from like Jesus Christ Superstar all the way to Phantom to, to everything else. School of Rock, like he's still doing it.
1:05:46 Speaker 02 He's so cool, man.
1:05:47 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:05:47 Speaker 02 Andrew Lloyd Webber, I give it up to you.
1:06:08 Speaker 05 No more talk of darkness. Forget these wide-eyed fears. I'm here. Nothing can harm you. My words will warm and calm you. Let me be your freedom. Let daylight dry your tears. I'm here with you, beside you. To guard you and to guide you.
1:06:41 Speaker 11 Say you love me with each waking moment. Turn my head with talk of summertime.
1:06:58 Speaker 11 Say you'll need me with you now and always. Promise me that all you say is true.
1:07:14 Speaker 11 That's all I ask of you.
1:07:19 Speaker 12 Let me be your shelter. Let me be your light, your safe. No one will find you. Your fears are far behind you.
1:07:34 Speaker 11 All I want is freedom. A world with no more night. And you with me, beside me. To hold me and to hide me.
1:07:49 Speaker 12 Then say you'll share with me one love, one lifetime. Let me lead you from your solitude.
1:08:06 Speaker 12 Say you'll need me with you here, beside you. Anywhere you go, let me go too. Nora, that's all I ask of you.
1:08:28 Speaker 11 Say you'll share with me one love, one lifetime. Say the word and I will follow you.
1:08:44 Speaker 12 Share each day with me, each night, each morning.
1:08:53 Speaker 11 Say you love me.
1:08:56 Speaker 12 You know I do.
1:09:01 Speaker 11 Love me.
1:09:04 Speaker 12 That's all I ask of you.
1:09:16 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:09:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:09:20 Speaker 06 Got it. Nice one.
1:09:22 Speaker 02 Yay.
1:09:23 Speaker 06 Oh, my gosh. So much fun. You knocked it out of the park.
1:09:26 Speaker 02 That was my once in a lifetime.
1:09:27 Speaker 06 That was the best. That was so fun.
1:09:29 Speaker 02 Andrew Lloyd Webber.
1:09:30 Speaker 06 I love singing everything with you. This one, I think, will always have a special place in my heart, truly. Thank you for opening yourself up to this.
1:09:36 Speaker 02 Thank you, and thanks for joining me. And yes.
1:09:39 Speaker 06 It's been an absolute pleasure. Thanks for having me.
1:09:41 Speaker 02 You're incredible. Love you.
1:09:42 Speaker 06 You are as well. Love you back. Thank you.
1:09:44 Speaker 02 That was fun. Oh, that was amazing. Gosh, in this room, just like booming resonant voice. Yeah. Yeah, he's great. What a fun person. Yeah. If you want to know which songs we played in this episode, the first one was "All I Have To Do Is Dream." This song was written by Felice Ambudlo Bryant, and it was made famous by the Everly Brothers in 1958. The second song was "Play Me" by Neil Diamond from the album Moods in 1972. Josh had it on his album in 2013 as a bonus track. It was a deluxe version of the album All That Echoes. The third song we did was a classic by Andrew Lloyd Webber. The lyrics were by Charles Hart and additional lyrics by Richard Stillgo
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