Pod Insights No B.S. Job Search Advice Radio Job Hunting Mistakes About this episode EP 3017 Today's show discusses common mistakes job hunters make, including assuming too much about a job during an interview, forgetting to thank interviewers, trusting recruiters too much, not networking effectively, and underestimating the importance of self-promotion. They also provide specific tips on how to avoid these pitfalls and succeed in your job search. ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER People hire Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter to provide No BS job search coaching and career advice globally because he makes job search and succeeding in your career easier. You will find great info and job search coaching to help with your job search at JobSearch. Community Subscribe to No BS Job Search Advice Radio, the #1 podcast in Apple Podcasts for job search with more than 3000 episodes. Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/TheBigGameHunter Schedule a discovery call to speak with me about one-on-one or group coaching during your job search at www. TheBigGameHunter.us. We grant permission for this post and others to be used on your website as long as a backlink is included to www. TheBigGameHunter.us and notice is provided that it is provided by Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter as an author or creator. Not acknowledging his work or providing a backlink to www. TheBigGameHunter.us makes you subject to a $1000 penalty which you proactively agree to pay. Please contact us to negotiate the use of our content as training data.
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0:41 Speaker 03 Hey everyone and welcome back for another Deep Dive.
0:43 Speaker 04 Yeah, welcome back.
0:44 Speaker 03 Today, we're going to be tackling something I think a lot of us struggle with, and that is how to avoid job hunting mistakes.
0:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, you know, we've all been there.
0:54 Speaker 03 We have.
0:55 Speaker 04 And, you know, luckily, we have some great information from Karen Mock. She owns Advanced Career Solutions. And then also Jeff Altman.
1:03 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
1:04 Speaker 04 He's a career coach and a recruiter, and they're sharing their insights and tips on what not to do when you're on the job hunt.
1:13 Speaker 03 It's kind of like a secret weapon, right?
1:14 Speaker 04 It is.
1:15 Speaker 03 Getting this advice straight from the experts.
1:17 Speaker 04 Absolutely.
1:18 Speaker 03 The first mistake we're going to be talking about is assuming too much, and this one really surprised me.
1:22 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:23 Speaker 03 Karen Malkin suggests that you shouldn't over-study the job description before an interview.
1:27 Speaker 04 Really?
1:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:28 Speaker 04 I mean, that's kind of counterintuitive, isn't it?
1:30 Speaker 03 It is. I would think you'd want to know.
1:32 Speaker 04 Yeah, you would think you'd want to know all about the company and all about the job and everything.
1:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:36 Speaker 04 But, um, but there's a reason for it.
1:38 Speaker 03 And, and she says that when you focus too narrowly on the job description, you might miss what the hiring manager is really looking for.
1:45 Speaker 04 Hmm, that makes sense.
1:47 Speaker 03 So it's not about ignoring the job description completely.
1:50 Speaker 04 Right.
1:50 Speaker 03 But understanding that it's just a starting point.
1:53 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:54 Speaker 03 And it's also more about understanding the hiring manager's unstated needs.
1:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, their motivations. Yes. I mean, think about it.
2:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:03 Speaker 04 Job descriptions are often generic, right?
2:05 Speaker 03 They are, they are.
2:07 Speaker 04 They're just using kind of like a template and it's really, you gotta kind of read between the lines to see, what is this hiring manager really looking for?
2:14 Speaker 03 Yes, and I think you bring up a good point about the hiring manager because it is a very personal thing, right?
2:19 Speaker 04 It is.
2:19 Speaker 03 Like, they're hiring somebody to join their team.
2:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:22 Speaker 03 And it's their needs that need to be met as well.
2:25 Speaker 04 Yeah, and you know, this reminds me of an interview I did where a candidate knew every single detail about our company. Like, they even knew like our board members.
2:32 Speaker 03 Wow.
2:33 Speaker 04 It was crazy and it just came off as so arrogant. It was like they were just trying to show off all this knowledge and they didn't connect with us at all.
2:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, they were so focused on being prepared.
2:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:43 Speaker 03 That they forgot to be personable.
2:45 Speaker 04 Exactly, and you know, it's, it's a reminder that like technical skills are important.
2:50 Speaker 03 Hmm.
2:51 Speaker 04 But so are those soft skills, right? Like, personality communication and the ability to just connect with people.
2:57 Speaker 03 Absolutely, so how do we avoid falling into that trap of being over-prepared but under-connected?
3:04 Speaker 04 Well, Karen Methans suggests that you try to take control of the interview.
3:08 Speaker 03 Really?
3:09 Speaker 04 Yeah, early on.
3:10 Speaker 03 How do you do that?
3:11 Speaker 04 Well, instead of just passively answering all their questions.
3:13 Speaker 03 No.
3:14 Speaker 04 She says you should try to steer the conversation a little bit.
3:16 Speaker 03 Okay.
3:17 Speaker 04 Ask some insightful questions and really try to figure out what is this hiring manager all about? What are their priorities?
3:24 Speaker 03 So instead of like a robotic question and answer.
3:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:27 Speaker 03 You're having more of a genuine conversation.
3:29 Speaker 04 Exactly, and you know, you can ask things like, you know, what are the challenges facing your team? Or what are your goals for this position?
3:38 Speaker 03 That's good.
3:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, and McCon actually shares this story about a candidate who did this really well. They noticed a picture in the hiring manager's office and it was the hiring manager sailing.
3:52 Speaker 04 And instead of, you know, launching into their qualifications, they're like, oh, I love sailing too. And that's how they started the conversation.
3:59 Speaker 03 So they took something personal that they observed.
4:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
4:01 Speaker 03 And use that as a jumping off point.
4:03 Speaker 04 Exactly. And it really helped them to establish rapport and like take control of that conversation in a more natural way.
4:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's so easy to get caught up in the nerves.
4:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
4:15 Speaker 03 And forget that an interview is really just you connecting with another human.
4:19 Speaker 04 Absolutely.
4:20 Speaker 03 And that's really important.
4:21 Speaker 04 It is.
4:21 Speaker 03 And it kind of leads us into our next point about remembering the basics.
4:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
4:25 Speaker 03 Like thank you notes.
4:26 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
4:27 Speaker 03 Which seem to be like a dying art.
4:29 Speaker 04 They are, but they shouldn't be.
4:30 Speaker 03 Right.
4:31 Speaker 04 I mean, a simple thank you note goes a long way.
4:33 Speaker 03 It does.
4:34 Speaker 04 It shows appreciation and it reinforces that you're interested.
4:37 Speaker 03 And Karen Mokken has a rule of three that she suggests.
4:40 Speaker 04 Okay, what's that?
4:41 Speaker 03 You send a thank you card immediately after the interview.
4:44 Speaker 04 Okay.
4:45 Speaker 03 Then you follow up with an email within 48 hours.
4:48 Speaker 04 Got it.
4:49 Speaker 03 And then you make a phone call later that week.
4:51 Speaker 04 Wow, that's a good way to say top of mind without being too much.
4:54 Speaker 03 It is.
4:55 Speaker 04 Sure.
4:55 Speaker 03 But of course, there's a balance, right?
4:56 Speaker 04 Okay.
4:57 Speaker 03 Because Mokken also shared a story about this candidate who went overboard.
5:02 Speaker 04 Oh, no.
5:03 Speaker 03 With a thank you gift. And it was like golf themed because they assumed that the hiring manager loved golf.
5:09 Speaker 04 Oh.
5:10 Speaker 03 But turns out they hated it.
5:11 Speaker 04 Oh, no, that's so awkward.
5:13 Speaker 03 I know.
5:13 Speaker 04 I mean, personalized gestures are great.
5:15 Speaker 03 Yes.
5:16 Speaker 04 But you really have to do your research.
5:18 Speaker 03 Yes, you do.
5:19 Speaker 04 Make sure you know what you're doing.
5:20 Speaker 03 Exactly.
5:21 Speaker 04 And you're not just assuming.
5:22 Speaker 03 Okay, so be thoughtful and genuine and don't try to be flashy.
5:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:26 Speaker 03 Now let's move on to a topic that could be a little bit sensitive.
5:29 Speaker 04 Okay.
5:30 Speaker 03 And that's about trusting recruiters blindly.
5:33 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, this is a good one.
5:34 Speaker 03 This comes from both Mokken and Altman. They have decades of experience in recruiting, so they've seen it all.
5:40 Speaker 04 They have. So how much should you actually tell a recruiter?
5:43 Speaker 03 Right, because you want to be open and transparent.
5:45 Speaker 04 Right.
5:46 Speaker 03 But you also want to kind of protect yourself.
5:47 Speaker 04 Yeah, you don't want to give away too much.
5:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:49 Speaker 04 And McCon talks about the risk of being backdoored. Have you ever heard of that?
5:54 Speaker 03 Backdoored? No, what is that?
5:55 Speaker 04 So basically, it's when a recruiter might use your information
5:59 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:00 Speaker 04 to go around you and present another candidate.
6:03 Speaker 03 Really?
6:03 Speaker 04 Yeah, and they often do this because they're motivated by their commission.
6:06 Speaker 03 So they're not really looking out for you, they're looking out for themselves?
6:09 Speaker 04 Exactly.
6:10 Speaker 03 Wow.
6:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, and Altman actually shared this story about how he lost a significant amount of money early in his career because he was too trusting.
6:17 Speaker 03 Wow.
6:18 Speaker 04 So it just goes to show you, you gotta be savvy, you gotta protect yourself.
6:22 Speaker 03 So how do we strike that balance?
6:24 Speaker 04 Well, I think you just have to be upfront with recruiters.
6:27 Speaker 03 Alright.
6:28 Speaker 04 Tell them, hey, I'm working with other agencies.
6:30 Speaker 03 Right.
6:30 Speaker 04 I value my confidentiality.
6:33 Speaker 03 Set some boundaries.
6:34 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:34 Speaker 03 Be assertive about your needs.
6:36 Speaker 04 Exactly, but keep it professional.
6:38 Speaker 03 Yes.
6:38 Speaker 04 You wanna still have that good relationship with them.
6:41 Speaker 03 Okay, so it's a partnership, but you have to kinda protect yourself a little bit.
6:44 Speaker 04 Exactly.
6:45 Speaker 03 Okay. I think we have time for one more big mistake.
6:49 Speaker 04 Alright.
6:50 Speaker 03 Before we move on to part two.
6:51 Speaker 04 Hit me.
6:52 Speaker 03 Let's talk about that question that we all dread.
6:54 Speaker 04 Which one?
6:55 Speaker 03 What is your weakness?
6:56 Speaker 04 Oh yeah, nobody likes that one.
6:58 Speaker 03 No.
6:59 Speaker 04 And both McKen and Altman have some good advice about how to handle it.
7:03 Speaker 03 Okay, because like the typical can responses just don't work anymore.
7:07 Speaker 04 No, like I'm a perfectionist, or I work too hard, like who, are you kidding?
7:11 Speaker 03 Everyone sees right through that.
7:12 Speaker 04 They do.
7:13 Speaker 03 Alright.
7:13 Speaker 04 So instead of trying to, you know, make a strength sound like a weakness.
7:18 Speaker 03 Right.
7:18 Speaker 04 Just be honest.
7:19 Speaker 03 Oh really?
7:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, but frame it in a positive way.
7:23 Speaker 03 Okay.
7:23 Speaker 04 So, you know, tell them about an area where you're genuinely trying to improve.
7:28 Speaker 03 Ah.
7:28 Speaker 04 But also, you know, highlight how that weakness could actually be a strength.
7:33 Speaker 03 So like a weakness, strength?
7:34 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:35 Speaker 03 Combo.
7:36 Speaker 04 And, you know, McKen gives a great example. She admitted that she's too passionate.
7:41 Speaker 03 Okay.
7:41 Speaker 04 Sometimes talks too much and gets sidetracked, but she emphasized how her passion drives her to go above and beyond for her clients.
7:49 Speaker 03 Oh, so she spun that.
7:50 Speaker 04 She did.
7:51 Speaker 03 Into a positive.
7:52 Speaker 04 She did.
7:52 Speaker 03 I see.
7:53 Speaker 04 And you know, it shows self-awareness, honesty, and a willingness to learn.
7:57 Speaker 03 Absolutely, and it also shows authenticity, right?
7:59 Speaker 04 It does.
7:59 Speaker 03 Because trying to be someone you're not will always backfire.
8:03 Speaker 04 Always, and you know, authenticity builds trust.
8:06 Speaker 03 Yes.
8:07 Speaker 04 Which is so important in any relationship, especially a professional one.
8:11 Speaker 03 Okay, that's a great place to stop. For now, we've covered some big mistakes.
8:17 Speaker 04 We have.
8:17 Speaker 03 To avoid, but we'll be back with more in part two.
8:20 Speaker 04 Definitely join us. Welcome back. So let's just jump right into some more common job hunting mistakes that both McCon and Altman highlighted.
8:28 Speaker 03 Okay, fire away.
8:29 Speaker 04 So first up, we have inconsistent information.
8:32 Speaker 03 Okay.
8:32 Speaker 04 So that's like when you tell different stories in different interviews, or your resume doesn't match your LinkedIn profile.
8:38 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, that's a good point.
8:39 Speaker 04 You gotta make sure everything is consistent.
8:41 Speaker 03 Right. You want to present like a unified front.
8:43 Speaker 04 Exactly. And you know, it makes you seem more reliable.
8:47 Speaker 03 Yes, it does.
8:48 Speaker 04 Okay, so next we have unpreparedness.
8:51 Speaker 03 Okay.
8:51 Speaker 04 This could mean showing up for an interview without researching the company or practicing your answers.
8:57 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, that's a big one.
8:59 Speaker 04 It is, and it shows that you're not really taking this seriously.
9:02 Speaker 03 Right, you're not invested.
9:03 Speaker 04 Exactly. Okay, so next up, inappropriate dress. This could mean being overdressed or underdressed.
9:11 Speaker 03 That's tricky.
9:12 Speaker 04 It is. You gotta do your research and figure out what the company culture is like.
9:16 Speaker 03 So you need to kind of blend in.
9:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, you don't want to stick out like a sore thumb.
9:20 Speaker 03 Okay, good advice.
9:21 Speaker 04 Now let's talk about failing to ask questions.
9:23 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, it's so easy to just focus on answering their questions.
9:26 Speaker 04 It is, but you should also be asking questions.
9:28 Speaker 03 Right.
9:29 Speaker 04 It shows that you're engaged and interested.
9:31 Speaker 03 Makes you look smarter.
9:32 Speaker 04 It does. Okay, so moving on, we have last minute cancellations.
9:36 Speaker 03 Oh.
9:37 Speaker 04 Like blowing off an interview or a call without any notice.
9:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's just rude.
9:41 Speaker 04 It's super unprofessional.
9:43 Speaker 03 Right.
9:44 Speaker 04 And then there's ghosting, you know, just disappearing from the hiring process.
9:47 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, that's not good either.
9:49 Speaker 04 It's not. Then we have salary bait and switch.
9:51 Speaker 03 Okay.
9:52 Speaker 04 Which means inflating your salary expectations and then trying to renegotiate later.
9:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's not gonna work.
9:57 Speaker 04 No. Be upfront about your salary from the start.
10:00 Speaker 03 Okay.
10:01 Speaker 04 And similar to that is trying to change the job, like the location or the travel requirements during the interview process.
10:07 Speaker 03 Right, if you don't like the job description, don't apply.
10:09 Speaker 04 Exactly. And finally, trying to renegotiate after you've already accepted an offer.
10:14 Speaker 03 Oh no, no.
10:15 Speaker 04 It's bad form.
10:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, once you say yes, stick to it.
10:18 Speaker 04 Exactly.
10:19 Speaker 03 Okay, so we've talked about a lot of mistakes.
10:21 Speaker 04 We have, but now let's talk about something really important, networking.
10:26 Speaker 04 Altman had some really interesting insights on this.
10:29 Speaker 03 Like what?
10:30 Speaker 04 Well, he said that our networks are often much bigger than we think.
10:34 Speaker 03 I think a lot of people feel like they don't have a network.
10:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, especially if they're early in their career. But he pointed out that it's not just who you know directly. It's also who they know.
10:45 Speaker 03 Oh, like a chain?
10:46 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's like a ripple effect.
10:47 Speaker 03 Okay, see.
10:48 Speaker 04 And he actually used the LinkedIn model to explain this.
10:52 Speaker 03 Oh, interesting.
10:52 Speaker 04 It's everyone you know and everyone that they know who you don't.
10:55 Speaker 03 Wow, that really expands your reach.
10:57 Speaker 04 It does. And get this, he said that 70% of positions are filled through networking.
11:03 Speaker 03 Really? That's a lot.
11:04 Speaker 04 It's huge. And within that 70%, a whopping 70% of those positions are filled by people your network knows, but you don't.
11:13 Speaker 03 So it's like this hidden job market?
11:15 Speaker 04 It is. And it shows how important it is to tap into those second level connections.
11:20 Speaker 03 So how do we do that?
11:21 Speaker 04 Well, Altman said you should start by reconnecting with people and just being social.
11:25 Speaker 03 Okay.
11:25 Speaker 04 Don't even mention that you're looking for a job at first.
11:27 Speaker 03 Just be genuine.
11:28 Speaker 04 Yeah, build those relationships.
11:30 Speaker 03 Right, because nobody likes to feel used.
11:32 Speaker 04 Exactly. And then maybe on like the fourth call or so.
11:35 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
11:35 Speaker 04 You can casually mention that you're exploring new opportunities.
11:38 Speaker 03 Oh, that's good.
11:39 Speaker 04 Yeah, and see if they have any advice or connections.
11:42 Speaker 03 So it's more organic.
11:43 Speaker 04 Exactly. It's about building trust.
11:45 Speaker 03 Right, it's a two-way street.
11:46 Speaker 04 It is.
11:47 Speaker 03 You should also be helping other people.
11:48 Speaker 04 Absolutely.
11:49 Speaker 03 It's like karma.
11:50 Speaker 04 It is.
11:51 Speaker 03 What goes around, comes around.
11:52 Speaker 04 And you know, networking isn't just about finding a job.
11:56 Speaker 03 Right.
11:56 Speaker 04 It's about expanding your knowledge, meeting new people, and building relationships that can help you throughout your career.
12:03 Speaker 03 So it's like a long-term investment.
12:04 Speaker 04 Exactly. And you know, networking can happen anywhere.
12:08 Speaker 03 Really?
12:09 Speaker 04 Yeah, at a conference, a party, even the grocery store.
12:11 Speaker 03 You never know who you're gonna meet.
12:12 Speaker 04 Right. So be open to those chance encounters.
12:15 Speaker 03 Good advice.
12:17 Speaker 04 And if you're introverted or shy, there are still ways to network that feel comfortable for you.
12:23 Speaker 03 Okay.
12:23 Speaker 04 You know, join some online groups, attend industry events, or even just reach out to people on LinkedIn.
12:29 Speaker 03 So there are options for everyone.
12:30 Speaker 04 There are, and as you build your network, stay organized.
12:34 Speaker 03 Okay.
12:34 Speaker 04 Keep track of your contacts, maybe use a spreadsheet or an app.
12:37 Speaker 03 Well, that's a good tip.
12:38 Speaker 04 It is, and remember, networking is an ongoing process.
12:41 Speaker 03 So don't just do it when you need something.
12:43 Speaker 04 Exactly, make it a habit.
12:44 Speaker 03 Right.
12:45 Speaker 04 And it's about being a good friend, a valuable colleague, and a contributing member of your community.
12:51 Speaker 03 Those are all great qualities.
12:52 Speaker 04 They are, and they will help you in your job search and in life.
12:55 Speaker 03 Speaking of qualities that shine through, I know Altman also talked about personal branding.
13:00 Speaker 04 Yes, he did, and that's a perfect segue into our next topic. We'll be talking about the importance of crafting a strong personal brand, and how it can impact your job search success in part three of this deep dive. Welcome back. All right, let's dive into this idea of personal branding that Altman was talking about.
13:19 Speaker 03 Okay, yeah, because he said it was crucial for success in job hunting.
13:22 Speaker 04 Right.
13:23 Speaker 03 But I don't really know what that means. Like, what is personal branding?
13:25 Speaker 04 Okay, so think of it as like how you present yourself to the world.
13:28 Speaker 03 Hmm.
13:29 Speaker 04 It's kind of like your reputation, but it's also about like showcasing your unique skills and experience.
13:34 Speaker 03 So it's more than just having a good resume?
13:36 Speaker 04 It is. It's about the whole package. Like, what makes you stand out from everyone else?
13:42 Speaker 03 So what you're passionate about, what you're good at?
13:44 Speaker 04 Exactly. It's like telling a story about yourself.
13:47 Speaker 03 But how do you actually do that? How do you build a personal brand?
13:51 Speaker 04 Well, it starts with knowing yourself.
13:53 Speaker 03 Okay.
13:53 Speaker 04 Like, what are your core values? What are you really good at?
13:57 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
13:57 Speaker 04 What are you passionate about?
13:59 Speaker 03 So figuring out what makes you special.
14:01 Speaker 04 Yeah, and once you know that, you can start to express it.
14:04 Speaker 03 Okay.
14:05 Speaker 04 Through your resume, your LinkedIn profile, even your social media.
14:09 Speaker 03 So it's about being consistent with your message?
14:11 Speaker 04 Exactly. And remember, your personal brand can change over time.
14:15 Speaker 03 Right, as you learn new things and gain experience.
14:18 Speaker 04 Exactly.
14:19 Speaker 03 That makes sense.
14:19 Speaker 04 Now, Altman also shared a story about a candidate who lied on his resume.
14:24 Speaker 03 Oh, no.
14:25 Speaker 04 Yeah, and he ended up getting fired.
14:27 Speaker 03 Really?
14:28 Speaker 04 Yeah, because he couldn't actually do the job.
14:30 Speaker 03 So honesty is really important.
14:31 Speaker 04 It's crucial, you know? It's like trying to build a house on a bad foundation.
14:35 Speaker 03 It's gonna crumble.
14:36 Speaker 04 Eventually.
14:37 Speaker 03 And it's not just about what you say, it's also how you act.
14:40 Speaker 04 Yeah, be respectful to everyone. Everyone treat people how you want to be treated.
14:46 Speaker 03 Good advice.
14:47 Speaker 04 And if you accept a job offer, don't back out.
14:50 Speaker 03 Right. Honor your commitments.
14:51 Speaker 04 Exactly. Your reputation is everything.
14:53 Speaker 03 People talk.
14:54 Speaker 04 They do.
14:55 Speaker 03 So be someone that people want to work with.
14:57 Speaker 04 Exactly. You know, job hunting can be tough.
15:00 Speaker 03 It can be.
15:00 Speaker 04 But if you have the right mindset and you're willing to learn and you never give up,
15:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:05 Speaker 04 you'll find success.
15:07 Speaker 03 Okay, so be authentic network and be honest.
15:10 Speaker 04 Exactly.
15:11 Speaker 03 Those are great takeaways.
15:12 Speaker 04 I hope this deep dive was helpful.
15:13 Speaker 03 It was. Thanks for sharing all these insights.
15:16 Speaker 04 Of course.
15:17 Speaker 03 Amazing how much we learn from these videos.
15:19 Speaker 04 I know, right?
15:20 Speaker 03 And we hope you learned a lot, too.
15:22 Speaker 04 Yes. Best of luck on your job search.
15:24 Speaker 03 Thanks for joining us for another deep dive. We'll see you next time.
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