The Taylor Swift Episode

92%ers, welcome to a very special pre-season episode of New Heights! On today’s episode, we are joined by singer, songwriter, producer, director, and the most requested guest in the history of New Heights, Taylor Swift! Taylor joins Travis and Jason to talk about her journey to reclaim her master recordings, what she’s been up to after the record-breaking The Eras Tour, her experience as a member of Chiefs kingdom, and all the details on her new album, The Life of a Showgirl! The Life of a Showgirl is available on October 3rd. Pre-order now at https://taylorswift.com New Heights will return August 27th to kick off the NFL season. You can also listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Follow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow Check out all the New Heights merch at https://homage.com/newheights See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:43Speaker 00

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• 0:59Speaker 01

  The wrongs we must right. The fights we must win. The future we must secure together for our nation. This is what's in front of us. This determines what's next for all of us. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  All right, let's get to the part of this show that I think is what everybody is going to be talking about.

• 1:28Speaker 03

  Do I get to say it? Do I get to say, I get to say the two words? Yes?

• 1:32Speaker 02

  First of all, you can do whatever you want, Taylor. I don't, we're not going to review. This is very much whatever.

• 1:37Speaker 03

  I want to work within the framework of the podcast. I'm a fan of the podcast.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Typically, we would allow the guest to say new news.

• 1:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I want to do it.

• 1:45Travis Kelce?

  I think Taylor has a little bit of new news. New news! Yeah!

• 1:53Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, 92 percenters. We missed you. This is a very special episode of New Heights, a Wondry show. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my big brother, Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. University of Cincinnati grad, Cincy. Wow, baby. Earl Hank came soon enough, baby. Let's go, Bearcats. Let's go, baby. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, we got a good one. Why don't you tell the people what we got coming up?

• 2:29Speaker 02

  That's right. 92 percenters. You may remember when we said New Heights wasn't coming back till August 27th. Well, that was a lie. That was a lie. And hopefully you can forgive us because we got a, as Travis said, we have a very special episode today that we just simply could not turn down. That's right. This is a special preseason episode that we decided to bring to you a little early.

• 2:54Travis Kelce?

  So let's not waste any of their time, Jason. Let's get right to it. Want to do the honors?

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Our guest today is the singer, songwriter, producer, and director from Nashville, Tennessee. That's bullshit. She is from Redding, Pennsylvania. She is the most awarded artist in the history of the American Music Awards, Billboard Music Awards, and iHeart Radio Music Awards. She has 14 Grammy Awards and is the only artist in the history to an Album of the Year four times. Last December, she wrapped up the era tour, which spanned 149 shows across 51 cities, five continents. It was the most attended tour of all time. I'm still going. Hold on for it. Her last album, The Torture Police Department, set a record with 1.76 billion streams globally within the first week

• 3:42Speaker 02

  alone. And as a fan of that guy on the Chiefs, she has 19 wins, two ASC titles, and a Super Bowl. 92 percenters, are you ready for it? Making your podcasting debut, the most aggressive guest in the history of shows, Taylor Swift.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  That intro, Jason. Oh, my God. No, look, his soul has left his body. No, that was so good. Thank you. Thank you for screaming for like 47 seconds for me. That was so nice.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  I'm shaking right now. I'm shaking.

• 4:19Speaker 03

  No, you did a great job.

• 4:21Travis Kelce?

  Take a deep breath, big guy.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Did I get everything? How much, how much more could we have put in that? Like, I felt like that was.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  That was such an amazing intro and also just like, thanks for wearing the merch. That goes a long way. Just like, immediately makes me feel comfortable just looking deeply into my own eyes.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Okay, all right. That's what I was going for.

• 4:39Travis Kelce?

  It's a good T-shirt.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me. This is my first podcast.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  This is amazing. Thank you for coming on.

• 4:45Travis Kelce?

  What took you so long to jump on podcasts?

• 4:47Speaker 03

  You know what? I, I just, I was waiting for you guys to invite me. This is my favorite podcast.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  So we've already been over this. You're a big fan of the show. You're a 92 percenter. What are your favorite segments that you hear Travis and I go into on a routinely basis?

• 5:01Speaker 03

  I like new news just because of the screaming. Like, I hear him screaming new news from across the house constantly. It's like my favorite part. Like, he'll be like, new news, new news. And I'm in the kitchen being like, new news. So I love that because of just the bellowing of it. Like, I love No Dumb Questions.

• 5:21Travis Kelce?

  That's a banger.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  I really like it when you give people advice. It's my, it's kind of my personal favorite.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  Do you usually agree with the advice or do you just like listening to it?

• 5:30Speaker 03

  I mean, I think that like you guys give such male centric advice. It's which, which I think is just like, just dudes who don't want drama.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:39Speaker 03

  Dudes who are trying to avoid the mess. Or, but sometimes you're gonna like do a bit and say the messiest thing that they could do, which is funny too.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  So we're gonna ask the question, everybody watching the show is currently asking, why are you coming on the show? Why me? What are you doing? You have so many better things to do with your time.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  This podcast has done a lot for me. Um, I owe a lot to this podcast. Uh, this podcast got me a boyfriend. Ever since Travis decided to use it as his personal dating app about two years ago, so.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  Worked pretty good.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. Hey.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Were his friendship bracelets that good? Did you give the friendship bracelets or was that just on the podcast?

• 6:15Speaker 03

  I've never, um, I've never seen.

• 6:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, they didn't leave the stadium because I was butthurt, Jason.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  He was, he was through a tantrum. He threw a man tantrum. It's so funny.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  My plan is ruined.

• 6:29Travis Kelce?

  She loves me, she loves me not, she loves me, she loves me not.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  This is so wild. Like, it was such a wild romantic gesture to just be like.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  I want to date you like on, I don't know. It was at first when I looked at it, I was like, this dude is-

• 6:45Travis Kelce?

  That's what it does when you're on the stage and you perform in Arrowhead. That's what it did.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  This dude didn't get a meet and greet. He's making it everyone's problem. That's what I thought at first. And then I was like-

• 6:54Travis Kelce?

  You come to Arrowhead, I get to meet you. That's the perk of playing for the Chiefs.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  You realize he didn't even reach out to our management. I was like, when this podcast came out, I was like, did he ever reach out to be like in the tents or did we know he was in the building? He came with Pat and he thought that because he knows the elevator lady that he could talk to her about just getting down to my bedroom.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  That's how it works. Just go.

• 7:16Travis Kelce?

  And I got denied.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  That's how it works in 1973.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  But yeah, but yeah, he really just was like, I know a guy. I can figure this out. But I actually, when I thought about it, I was like, actually, we live in a day and age where like I'm not a very, I'm not an online person at all. Not like on social media like that. And like, I'm genuinely terrified to open my DMs.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Smart.

• 7:41Speaker 03

  It's just like, it's just like, it's about, I just, there's smoke coming out of my DMs. Like, I don't want to go near that. I don't know what's in there.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  If you want somebody to go through it, I'll go through it just because I'll laugh my ass off.

• 7:49Speaker 03

  It's like if you have like 20 million unread DMs, you're just like, ah. So this kind of felt more like I was in an eighties John Hughes movie and he was just like standing outside of my window with a boombox, just being like, I want to date you.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Do you want to go on a date with me? I made you a friendship bracelet. Do you want to date me?

• 8:07Travis Kelce?

  Just come outside and meet me. Just meet me once. Just give me a chance.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  I was like, if this guy isn't crazy, which is a big if, this is sort of what I've been writing songs about wanting to happen to me since I was-

• 8:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  A teenager.

• 8:23Travis Kelce?

  And I was sitting there at the era's tour, listening to every single one of those songs. Like she, I know what she wants me to do.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  I feel that. That's a, that's a-

• 8:31Travis Kelce?

  I know exactly what she wants me to do.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  She's like, this is just her wish list of like-

• 8:35Travis Kelce?

  Meet me, please. Now I'm butthurt.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm upset that you didn't meet me even though you didn't know I wanted to meet you because I didn't do any proper logistical planning.

• 8:47Travis Kelce?

  Typical Kelsey.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  Typical Kelsey.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  It was wild. It was wild, but it worked. I'm glad it worked. I'm just circling back to New Heights to say thank you for for this. Look at this.

• 8:59Travis Kelce?

  I'm the luckiest man in the world.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  So, yeah, that's.

• 9:01Travis Kelce?

  And thank you to New Heights, all the editing. Jake, thank you for putting that on social media and letting it do its course.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  Before we move on, what, how did you know he wasn't crazy? Because that's the other side of that, right? Like, a guy goes up there and professes his love for you. It's either one, it's like, this could be the most romantic thing in the world.

• 9:18Travis Kelce?

  It's from being crazy about somebody.

• 9:20Speaker 03

  He is crazy, Jason.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  But there's a, there's a right crazy.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's the good kind of crazy. And I, I knew that he wasn't crazy the first couple of times that we talked. I was just like, he's, he's truly like, he's truly getting to know me in a way that's very natural, very pure, very normal. Like, also, like, just the way that he could make me laugh so immediately about normal things. The, like, Travis is like, he's just a vibe booster in everyone's life that he's in. He's like a human exclamation point. Like, you know, he's like, when you take a picture on your phone and you put the like, you push the enhance color button. That's like what you do to everyone's life.

• 10:02Travis Kelce?

  I just, I'm always exclamation.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  I use so many more exclamation points now, but I think it was just like, you, also, you were so, you're so nonjudgmental about people. And you were not judgmental about the fact that I knew nothing about the world you were in.

• 10:16Travis Kelce?

  It was, it was the best.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  You were nice. You were so nice.

• 10:19Travis Kelce?

  I got a clean slate.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  You were like, thank you.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  She doesn't know any of my bad stuff?

• 10:23Travis Kelce?

  Are you kidding me?

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Jason, on our first date, I literally, I legitimately asked him what it was like when the Chiefs played the Eagles in the Super Bowl. And he looked across the field, across the line of scrimmage, and saw his brother standing on the other, like, five feet in front of him on the field.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  And he was like, he was, and he didn't even, he didn't even look at me. Like, I now know what an insane question that was. He was like, actually, I'm on the offense. And my brother's on the offense, and I'm only on the field at the same time as the defense. I thought everyone was on the same time. I thought I thought that the quarterbacks.

• 11:01Travis Kelce?

  I mean, that's how you played it on the on the playground growing up. So I understand if you hadn't like.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  No, you don't understand. I thought it was like Jared Goff is here and Josh Allen's here. And they're gonna be like, they blow a whistle and then they they go at each other and they're like, who's gonna win?

• 11:20Travis Kelce?

  That's actually.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  I would love to see Jared Goff play some defense. Let's see Jared Goff on defense.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  Some ideas. I've got some thoughts. Yeah, I didn't know what a first down was. I didn't know what the chains were. I didn't know what a tight end was.

• 11:37Travis Kelce?

  I am forever thankful for you diving into the football world wholeheartedly.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, I fell in love with it. I became obsessed with it. I became like a person who was running through the halls of my house screaming, we drafted Xavier Worthy. And my friends are like, what is who body snatched you? This is this is what do you mean? We drafted Xavier Worthy.

• 12:00Travis Kelce?

  I forget where I was, but you were the first person to tell me that.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  No, I was screeching. No, I was screeching. I couldn't believe it. I was freaking out. We're talking about like.

• 12:09Travis Kelce?

  I'm like, wait, does she she right? I had to look this up. I'm like, she she get the wrong information here? Well, yeah, we traded up.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're talking about cover two, cover four, cover zero, man, cover. We're talking, we're we're learning. I continue to learn.

• 12:22Travis Kelce?

  Maybe somebody else that even knows what those coverages are.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm not ready to be an analyst right now, but give me 16 months.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  You're gonna pick up on it. I'm telling you, you would ask some of the best questions when we were up in the booth and there's like your desire to learn more, but your genuine excitement around it as well as like your competitiveness.

• 12:45Travis Kelce?

  She's not fucking around. Nope.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 12:49Travis Kelce?

  He's not fucking around.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Reclaiming masters, you wanted to?

• 12:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, let's tee it up. Um, one of uh, one of my favorite things this summer was Taylor reclaiming her masters. Um, her recording of her first six albums uh, finally uh, became hers.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:06Travis Kelce?

  And um, you haven't really talked about it. You made that beautiful post on all your social channels, thanking everyone that that made it happen and everything. But uh, why don't you tell uh, tell the 92 percenters how it really felt?

• 13:18Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. Um, so to catch anyone up who doesn't know about this saga, like I signed a record deal when I was 15 and I always kind of refer to it as I got my music back this this summer, but I never owned my music at all. So traditionally, a lot of record deals are set up in a way that artists don't own what's called their master recordings. Owning your master recordings means that you have complete control and power over distribution, licensing, um, and essentially the way your legacy is shaped. It's it's um, it's a huge thing. It's always been a huge thing for me. Like since I was a teenager, I've been actively saving up money to buy my music back

• 14:03Speaker 03

  and to to ever own it in the first place because it's usually the label that owns it. But I I've always wanted this to happen. So um, it's been sold. My music has been sold a few times. The first time that it was sold, it really ripped my heart out of my chest and I told everybody exactly how that felt for me and what I was going through and I started basically defiantly rerecording my music because I wanted, I wanted to own it and this was the only way I thought it was ever gonna happen. And so um,

• 14:34Travis Kelce?

  I knew she had a bad kid and she's got, she's got a little bit of a bad kid.

• 14:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  It's not a bad kid. That's a fucking savvy kid. That's what that is. That's like, hey.

• 14:43Travis Kelce?

  I've been told I've been defiant a lot of times.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  Well, you are defiant. You're very defiant.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  It's like, I I um,

• 14:49Travis Kelce?

  Insubordinate Travis.

• 14:50Speaker 03

  Insubordinate. Yeah, it's it's, I think for me, you know, that was the closest I ever thought I would get to owning my music. And so re- re-recording my music, it was so exciting. To get to have that opportunity, but there was still like, I thought about not owning my music every day. Um, it was something that I never was, it's like an intrusive thought that I had every day. And so we, we do the era's tour. Uh, after the era's tour, I had a meeting with my team and we, we decided this might be a good time to approach the current owners of it. The owners of it was, um, a private equity firm called Shamrock Capital. I knew them to be above board people. Uh, you know, they had been very friendly

• 15:35Speaker 03

  to us. Um, what I was looking to do though, was I wanted to buy my music outright. I don't want to be in a partnership. I don't want to own 30% of it. I want it, I want to own all of it.

• 15:47Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, and you deserve that.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  But it was a long shot to think that they would do that, that they would sell that, that asset to me. It's a big asset. It's a huge decision for them to make to sell that to anyone, including me. I decided that rather than this be like a, a business conversation, I, I'm in the business of human emotion. I would so much rather lead heart first in something like this because for me, this is not, oh, I wanna, I wanna own this asset because of its returns. Because if it's, you know, because of the dividends that I will receive over the years. This was, I want it because this is my handwritten diary entries from my whole life. These are the songs I wrote about every phase of my life. This is my photography, my music videos,

• 16:34Speaker 03

  my, most of which I funded.

• 16:36Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  You know, my artwork, everything that I've ever done is in this catalog. And so rather than send lawyers or management, like in a big crew, I sent my mom and my brother, who I work with, to LA and they, um, sorry, they sat down and they like, this happens, I don't ever really talk about it because it's, um, they sat down. With Shamrock Capital and they told them what this meant for me, like this is, they told them the whole story of all the times we've tried to buy it, all the times it's fallen through, all the times we had gotten plans together and figured out something we thought was going to work and it didn't at the last minute.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  And so like, my mom calls me afterward, she's like, look, you know, they were wonderful. They heard us out. We have no idea which way they're going to go with this. And so I was like, I get it. I get it. I haven't gotten my hopes up about this in a decade.

• 17:37Speaker 03

  And so it was a couple of months after the Super Bowl, we're in Kansas City.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  And I get a call from my mom and she's like,

• 17:50Speaker 03

  she's like,

• 17:52Speaker 03

  they, we, you got your music. And so sorry that, uh, this is, it's literally been so long since this happened. It's every time I talk about it. Um, she was like, you got, you got your music. And I just like very dramatically hit the floor for real, like honestly just started

• 18:15Speaker 03

  bawling my eyes out and I'm just like, just, just weeping and kind of like unable. I was just like, really? Really? Really? What do you mean? What do you mean? And I'm like, get, get yourself together, get your shit together. Like just go tell Travis in a normal way. And I knock on the door, he's playing video games. And I'm trying to say it in a normal way and I'm just like,

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Travis!

• 18:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh no. What just happened? What just happened?

• 18:42Speaker 03

  And he's like, he like puts his headset down. He's like, guys, gotta go. And I think you thought something was wrong and you come up and I'm just like, I got my music back. And then just start absolutely heaving crying.

• 18:55Travis Kelce?

  Just dead weight, lose all control.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Had no power in my legs to support myself. And, um, yeah, this changed my life. Um, I can't believe it still. Every time I think about it, it's like, I have to tell the short version to everyone because it is still like this. This will affect the rest of my life. I think about this every day now, but instead of it being like an intrusive thought that hurts me, it's, I can't believe this happened. Like, how lucky am I? How grateful am I? I'm so grateful to like the artists that helped me with my re-records because when I did my re-records, I started doing those in 2021. And a lot of, like, most of the industry trades were like, this is a bad idea. This is her

• 19:41Speaker 03

  sort of derailing her career in a way. Nobody's interested in you doing the same album twice. Fans are not going to be engaged with this. This is not going to go well for her.

• 19:50Travis Kelce?

  Somebody knew though.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  And it was like, I still was able to like, reach out to friends of mine, like, like, like Phoebe Bridgers, Keith Urban, Maren Morris, Chris Stapleton, you know, Hayley Williams from Paramore, Fall Out Boy, like, all these absolutely incredible artists that like, shape who I am as an artist. And, um, and they like, agreed to be a part of the re-records. And I like, you know, I, one of the only people I told before this happened was like, I called Phoebe Bridgers and I was just like,

• 20:25Speaker 03

  and she's like, I think you just, did you just say what I think you said? And so this has just been like, it was just, I'm so grateful for it. It's, um, it's just unbelievable. And I was so happy you were there when that happened.

• 20:38Travis Kelce?

  I mean, I was.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Cause I could not stand.

• 20:40Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I mean, I started crying too, you know.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  You were weeping.

• 20:43Travis Kelce?

  I was, I was just so happy for you because I've seen, I've seen how you make music. I've seen how you make these videos, seen the effort and the focus and the strategy behind what just one album in Torture Pose Department and, and in Fortnite. And I was blown away that you had been doing this your entire life. And for, you know, your first six albums, you weren't given the, the rights to all of that. And I know what that, that looked like. And I know how much it, it burns you that, that you didn't have that and you didn't have your creation. And I just, I think doing it the right way, creating the fanbase that you did the right way, and, um, and, and leading your life in a, in a direction

• 21:27Travis Kelce?

  that you, you were eventually going to get it back somehow, some way because of you, um, always doing things with the right intentions. So.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Thank you to our partner, Royal Caribbean.

• 21:39Travis Kelce?

  Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 22:03Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full-on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 22:20Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  I love a water park.

• 22:23Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one, Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship. Not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 22:41Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 22:53Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  On offense, it's important to prevent problems from the moment the ball is snapped.

• 23:00Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 23:07Speaker 02

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• 23:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  My mouth specifically?

• 23:15Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 23:26Speaker 02

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• 23:37Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, exactly. With twice daily brushing, Colgate Total prevents oral health problems like cavities and gingivitis.

• 23:45Speaker 02

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• 23:52Travis Kelce?

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• 23:55Speaker 02

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• 24:03Travis Kelce?

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• 24:09Travis Kelce?

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• 24:14Speaker 02

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• 24:20Travis Kelce?

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• 24:28Speaker 02

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• 24:33Travis Kelce?

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• 24:39Speaker 02

  Get started today at Planet Fitness or learn more at planetfitness.com. So how, I guess, how does music ownership, this is so crazy to me. So you wrote these songs, you sang these songs, you put everything into them. And don't get me wrong, there's publishing companies, people that support artists out there. But yeah, how, how does ownership of music even work? Like when you recorded these songs when you were 16, right? Is that like?

• 25:05Travis Kelce?

  Can you dumb it down to us 93%?

• 25:09Speaker 02

  The singer gets a certain portion, the, the artist gets, or the songwriter gets a certain portion, and then the publishing company gets a certain portion?

• 25:17Speaker 03

  Okay, so this is, that's a great question. And there's two main categories that we're talking about here. So master recordings is the actual recording.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  It's the actual vocal.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  Band, production, mixing, mastering, that actual thing.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  Um, mine, mine also included my album artwork, my music videos. Everything that went along with any era of music that I had done for my first six albums.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 25:46Travis Kelce?

  Every era.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  So then there's also, then there's another category, which is publishing.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  I own my publishing, which is why, you know, I have control over, you know, if my song is used in a film, I, and I, and I wanted them to use Taylor's version instead of the original version, I, the songwriter, can decide that.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Got it. Okay.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  You know, and so it's like, I basically, I, I've always been very lucky because my publishing was protected. A lot of artists have, have their publishing sold away from them, or they sell their publishing and I, you know, and a lot of artists, it may not be important to them. It was always important for me. The publishing aspect of it has always been something I've had firmly in place, which is great because my songwriting is the core of, of why I do this, why I love it so much, and what I think has made anything happen in my career at all.

• 26:41Travis Kelce?

  Greatest songwriter of all time.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  That's very nice of you to say that. It's like, says her boyfriend.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Says a lot of people.

• 26:48Speaker 03

  Basically, then you have the, the master recordings side of things. Now, this is a discussion that was not really brought up amongst the artist communities, especially not with fans. This was all kind of industry centric and kind of boring contract stuff that like fans were not speaking about.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  And so, one thing that I think is really great that has come about because of this is that

• 27:18Speaker 03

  I have so many new artists come up to me now and say, hey, I didn't even know this was a thing. And when I went to go and negotiate for my record deal, I negotiated to have my masters revert back to me after a certain amount of years.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  Or that I own them outright. And it's not for everyone. Not everyone cares about this. Artist to artist, artists have different priorities. Some artists sell off all their masters because everyone's allowed to have their own priorities. What I wanted though is that If I were to put the information out about what I went through, at least it gets artists talking about this.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  To decide whether this is a priority for them. Because you can't know if it's a priority for you unless you know what has come before you and what has happened. And, and so the master recordings thing, that's your actual ownership of your recordings. To put it in perspective, if I never would have been able to buy back my music, one day, someone else would be leaving all of my music from my first six albums to their kids in their will.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  And you think about it like that, it's like, I thought of it, I made it, I recorded it, I paid for most of those music videos, you know, I wanted an opportunity to, to, to buy that back and that was important to me.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  You feel like they're yours, they should be yours.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Do you think it was easier for you to do, one, because you're, I mean, just you talking about this, you're so aware of the business side of this and the legal realm of, like, you're more aware than I think probably most artists are, but being a-

• 28:47Travis Kelce?

  Smartest woman in the world.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  It's crazy. Being a songwriter-

• 28:50Speaker 03

  That's her boyfriend.

• 28:51Travis Kelce?

  Smartest woman in the world.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  You being the songwriter, being the singer, owning the publishing rights, being able to rerecord songs, that gave you leverage and able to make this move, right?

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  Yes, so that was, and also, you know, in my contract, they didn't put a clause in that said I couldn't rerecord because nobody was doing it and nobody thought that was a good idea.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  So, and also like, who would be that stubborn? Like, who would be, who would be that petty?

• 29:24Travis Kelce?

  This badass kid over here.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  That they would record every single thing, um, over and over again.

• 29:30Travis Kelce?

  What was your favorite one to revisit?

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Not just, not just that, hold on Bill, but not just that, who has a fan base that's gonna listen to the same album twice in a row?

• 29:38Speaker 03

  It's a good point, Jason, it's a good point.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Honestly, and this is where they missed it, you had this diehard community that you had already built.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  That's the thing is the

• 29:47Speaker 02

  You sold a story with the second time you released this album, right? And the fans got behind that narrative.

• 29:53Travis Kelce?

  Right away.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Screw the first album. We're rolling with the rerecorded album.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Supporting the artist.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  They were like, we ride at dawn. Like, and it was, it was amazing because, you know, they're the reason why the rerecords worked out. They're the reason I was able to purchase my music back because they came to the Eras Tour. And basically they're the reason why any of this worked out. And I also want to note that like the other people who are like, we ride at dawn. My, my live band, they played on all the rerecords. It's like, you want to know why they sound so perfect on the Eras Tour? They played, they played on all those records, like they're session musicians too. And that's how good they are.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  And I'm, I'm so impressed just by their ability and their dexterity as musicians to be able to do that. Uh, so convincingly because there, there, there are actually some, there's the, the Taylor's versions one. I kind of refer a lot of that stuff. I think it sounds incredible, but I'm happy to have all of it.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  So that leads me to the next question, Tay. Now that you own all of it, you have the rerecordings, you have the original recordings. What should we listen to? Like what, do I, do I roll with, does it matter? You're just like, whatever you guys want?

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's really whatever you guys want. Because I love both of them. I would not have put out the rerecords if I didn't think that they held up or were better. I think a lot of the vocals I did on the rerecords are better than the originals.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Okay. But it's like, if you found a nostalgia in the originals and that was what you were listening to when you were 12 years old, bopping around in your bedroom, go crazy.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  We got them all.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  I'm going to start doing comparisons. That's what I gotta do. I just gotta start doing comparisons.

• 31:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:37Travis Kelce?

  You're gonna listen to every beat?

• 31:39Speaker 03

  You're certainly, it's not mandatory, Jason.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  I mean, it sounds like a good time.

• 31:42Travis Kelce?

  I'll say this, there's a few good playlists out there that have a mixture of them all.

• 31:46Speaker 03

  You've been streaming?

• 31:47Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 31:48Travis Kelce?

  I've been streaming for about two years now.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  That's fantastic. Thank you so much. That's why we got that spike in the thirty five year old male demographic.

• 31:58Travis Kelce?

  Yes, that one point seven billion, that was at least one billion of those, for sure.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  We have one IP address from one iPhone that continually is listening to this song. Did you have a favorite album that you rerecorded that, like, are there different eras that you liked recording more, rerecording?

• 32:15Speaker 03

  I really liked them all, but I think Red was very special. There were songs that I called From the Vault songs. And there was one, which I think is maybe my favorite song I've ever written called All Too Well, the ten minute version, where I unearthed, there were, there are originally so many more verses in that song than ended up being on the, on the album that I had put out when I originally put out Red. I made the, um, the glorious, fortuitous mistake of saying that to my fans in an interview. You know what those words mean? You're so handsome. So, um, basically, uh, I said that in an interview to my fans and they just like,

• 33:01Speaker 03

  hung on to it. They were like, where's the ten minute version? Give us the ten minute version.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  And, um, when it came time to doing Taylor's version and rerecording the album, I went back in, found the verses,

• 33:16Speaker 03

  restructured the song to the way that it pretty much was when I had originally written it, put them back in.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  And that song is one of my favorite things I've ever done. And it was, when we were on the Eras Tour, I'm watching people just like cathartically scream this song to the point where I'm like, do you need, do you need to go to the hospital? Like, it was so passionate, the fan response to that song at the Eras Tour. And I remember thinking so many times, like, what if this never happened? Like, what if I never had to re-record this?

• 33:47Travis Kelce?

  It's one of the most iconic parts of your, of that tour.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  It was so fun. And so like, yeah, it really did make me fall back in love with that album specifically. I have a song with Phoebe Bridgers that I really love on that, you know, From the Vault, Chris Stapleton was a part of it as well. And I just, I think that one, I've always loved Fearless in nineteen eighty-nine in a very pure way. But Red, I've kind of gone back and forth over the years and been like, you know, like, That re-recording it made me just be like, oh, God, I love that album. I have no, no complicated feelings about that. Wouldn't have done anything different. Maybe except to include the original verses the first time.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Well, well, let's, we just talked about the different eras a little bit. Let's talk about perhaps the most daunting thing that any artist has ever taken on, which is the Eras Tour.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  You finally finished it up last December in Vancouver.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  I don't know. What did it feel like to wrap it up? What does it feel like now? Like not touring and being on a jet every day, basically trying to go from country to country? Yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 03

  I mean, it feels great, Jason, to be honest.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna lie to you.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  You don't miss it?

• 35:02Speaker 03

  I, I miss it. I do miss it, but it's like, it was perfect for what it was. Do you know what I mean? And it was a lot of, it was a lot of physical therapy and it was a lot of like, being in a state of perpetual physical discomfort. Kind of like when you're in season, you know?

• 35:22Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, no.

• 35:23Speaker 03

  I'm not getting hit by huge 300 pounders, but the heels.

• 35:30Travis Kelce?

  No, when I saw the recovery station in the hotel room after, with the toe spacers.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  I got an acupuncture. I've got.

• 35:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I'm telling you, dude, the similarities were crazy. I'm like, oh, my gosh. She does more than I do.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  We're like compared physical therapy stories and recovery stuff.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  Have you ever tried taping your ankles?

• 35:49Travis Kelce?

  We related on how much.

• 35:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I miss it because I miss the fans and I miss that connection. But at the same time, it was so special. It was like the most formative time of my life. I learned so much about, about how far I can push myself and if I set a goal. You know, making that a three and a half hour show in the beginning of the tour. It's like, you can't like be sick one day and then decide tonight it's going to be two and a half hours.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  And it's really just like prioritizing the fans' experience before, before anything else. And my fellow.

• 36:26Travis Kelce?

  Broken heart.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  Don't get me started, dude. Don't you get me started.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  Or like stomach flu or like, just like aching feet or blisters or whatever. Like it's, it just was.

• 36:37Travis Kelce?

  Which she had all of this going through.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  Usually all at the same time.

• 36:43Travis Kelce?

  Going into her fourth show.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's just, it was kind of the coolest thing in the world because when we were putting together this tour, I had some really lofty goals I wanted to reach conceptually because I wanted to show, I wanted to show fans and especially younger fans visuals and sort of performance art references that were really important to me as a kid and what inspired me to want to do this, right? So like, I wanted to put elements of musical theater, Broadway, ballet, you know, scenery that you would see in an opera.

• 37:23Travis Kelce?

  Who thinks like this?

• 37:24Speaker 02

  I watched the whole tour. I don't, I just thought it was amazing. I didn't know this.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  But that's, that's exactly it. I wanted it to be references that I thought were really high concept and really high value for fans and for them to see things they hadn't necessarily seen before, all in one concert. But I wanted to do it at, at the highest intensity, rapid fire, you're seeing something new every 15 to 30 seconds. And so it feels like you're scrolling in an algorithm, right? And when I heard reports of people saying that they got actual amnesia after the concerts, I was like, oh, I think we did it. I think, I think we did it, nailed it. That's, that's genuine that that's, I didn't even, wasn't

• 38:09Speaker 03

  even shooting for that goal. When they're like, I saw so many things and I experienced a state of euphoria that I now don't remember what happened to me. I was like, oh my God.

• 38:20Travis Kelce?

  All I remember is that she didn't want to meet me. That's it.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  That's it. That's all he, that's all he got about.

• 38:27Travis Kelce?

  And as much, as much as you, and I've told you this, as much as you want to, you know, give New Heights credit, I give the errors to her credit.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:34Travis Kelce?

  I give the errors to her credit because if I would have never gone to that show and been mesmerized and just been captivated.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:41Travis Kelce?

  And then left with such a desire to want to meet you. I would have never went on here and told everybody how butthurt I was. Yeah, I'd never just been so engulfed in the curiosity of who you were.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Oh, that's really beautiful.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  One of the best things about that last statement is you didn't even know what the word engulfed meant before, like you met Taylor. Like this is, you've broadened your horizon so far.

• 39:05Travis Kelce?

  It were the perfect, I'm telling you, it's so, she makes me so much better.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that.

• 39:15Travis Kelce?

  And then, but it's like you see you on the stage and you see how crazy you can get an entire stadium going. And then I get you in a room and it's like, I've known you forever. It's like, it was just the easiest conversation I ever had. And it was just so much fun that it just, it knocked my socks off from what they say.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  Knocked your socks off.

• 39:38Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  Thank you. That's, I felt the same exact way about you.

• 39:41Travis Kelce?

  I had never, I had never experienced something so mesmerizing on stage and then so real and so beautiful in person.

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Hey, that's wonderful. Yeah, I think so. Honestly, at this point, I think everyone should leave.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  I don't know where to go from here now. Uh, what, how many countries did you do the Ares Tour in?

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Um, forty seven thousand countries, Jason.

• 40:10Travis Kelce?

  You just listed that in the beginning.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Well, I said fifty one cities, which I don't know if that's right.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  It was a lot of countries. Um, what was really fun about all the countries that we went to, um, is when we first started dating, he was like, I always wanted to go and really vacation in Europe and see Australia and, you know, go to Asia. And I was like, well, I got, I got a tour for that, you know, it's coming up.

• 40:38Travis Kelce?

  Oh, nice. You got room for a six, five guy to?

• 40:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, we can figure it out. Like, no, that's, the dimensions are wild, but we'll make some room. I think we'll have to leave some, some equipment trunks behind to accommodate the size. But, uh, but absolutely, we'd be happy to have you. We got to, you know, we got to travel the world and have vacations and adventures when I wasn't on stage, which was really fun because like Europe was so fun. Australia is amazing.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, it was great. And, and that entire part of our lives, like I was on tour for so long and now I finally am not on tour. And it's, it's kind of great because I'm getting my hobbies back. Like when I was on tour. All I had the bandwidth for was what's the acoustic mashup this week? What, how do I say, welcome to the Eras Tour in Portuguese? You know, that was the only thing taking up my brain space. And now it's a.

• 41:38Travis Kelce?

  It's been so fun to see what Taylor actually gets into around the house.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  It's like, I'd say all my hobbies could be categorized as like hobbies you could have had in the 1700s. You know, like I get all my granny shit.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  You enjoy doing all of these homey things. That's basically what you're saying?

• 42:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like to sew. I specialize, as you know, in, in children's purses and baby blankets. I make two things.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  I know that very well.

• 42:09Travis Kelce?

  Very good at these two things.

• 42:10Speaker 03

  I love to paint. I love to cook. I have a different baking obsession every six months.

• 42:19Travis Kelce?

  I'm the luckiest man in the world.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Right now, we're, uh, we're very deep in a sourdough obsession that has taken over my life.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  I am aware and I'm very deep in it now. You've got me deep in this.

• 42:32Travis Kelce?

  I'm lucky, I'm lucky, I'm, I'm, I'm working as, as much as I am and running as much as I am because I am, I'm getting the caloric intake.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, he, he asked me to send him two loaves of sourdough at training camp. I'm like, I'm like wrapping sourdough loaves in like, like Saran Wrap or whatever, like, like cling film. The sourdough has taken over my life in a huge way. I'm really talking about bread, uh, 60% of the time now. It's become, it's become a huge, huge factor.

• 43:06Travis Kelce?

  I mean, and she's getting good with making all these different versions of it.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:11Travis Kelce?

  My favorite one was probably, I mean, the regular sourdough is one of my favorites, but the blueberry.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, we do, there's a blueberry lemon, there's cinnamon swirl, cinnamon raisin. And this one I've been workshopping for the girls because they love everything rainbow, Funfetti sourdough.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, that's gonna blow their mind.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  No, it will, because they love sprinkles. Like we put, you know, we put sprinkles in everything when we hang out.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Um, it's really, uh, yeah.

• 43:39Travis Kelce?

  She's a loafer for life now.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's, it's gotten, it's gotten pretty crazy over here. I'm just like always like baking bread and texting my friends and being like, can I send you some bread? I need some feedback. Do you like this one better than you liked the other one? Like I did the rise a little differently. I'm on like sourdough blogs. There's a whole, there's a whole community of us and I didn't know it.

• 44:04Travis Kelce?

  Oh my gosh.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  This is an underworld.

• 44:06Travis Kelce?

  People hoping that you're on their blog.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm on your blog. Girl, I'm on your blog.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  But it's like, I just didn't know this. There's people like me out there. And this is where the internet is good. This is where the internet is a good place where you can curate a reality where like, all I really use the internet for is sourdough. And when Travis shows me videos of otters on his Instagram algorithm.

• 44:32Travis Kelce?

  I want, I want a wild, I want a wild otter so bad. I just want to like find these little creatures.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, he doesn't, but he wants one.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Why a wild one? Why wouldn't you?

• 44:42Travis Kelce?

  Because it's all, how met?

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Aren't they all wild?

• 44:44Travis Kelce?

  Oh no, there's domestic.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  There's domestic otters.

• 44:47Speaker 03

  He wants one specifically whose life he saved. Who knows that he saved his life.

• 44:53Travis Kelce?

  Who feels, yeah.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  It's a really specific type of otter he's looking for.

• 44:56Travis Kelce?

  The, the videos that I watch are somebody just in a canoe.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, he doesn't want to like go up to an otter and take it from its mother.

• 45:03Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  He wants to see an otter and the otter's like, my paws caught in a shell. And he's like, I got you. And then the otter's like, thank you forever with its little paws.

• 45:14Travis Kelce?

  And I just bring him anchovies every couple of months.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  And then it's, and you're kayaking and it's like doing this to you. Like that's what he wants. And I want it too, honestly. Who doesn't?

• 45:23Speaker 02

  I mean, who doesn't? Yeah.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Right?

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  So.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Do otters eat bread? Can we get a sourdough eating otter? That might be the perfect.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  We're going to figure that out. I don't know if they do.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  They're probably.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  But yeah, we had discussed maybe like carrying around cans of sardines just in case we run into one.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's better in principle than it is in practice. Easier to, easier to conceptualize.

• 45:48Travis Kelce?

  It seems pretty easy though. You just gotta go canoeing.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  Which is also easier in principle than it is in practice.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 45:54Speaker 03

  For us in terms of just the weight balance on the water.

• 45:57Travis Kelce?

  I'm on the hunt for a friend.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. Stuff you didn't know you needed to know, right? Jason?

• 46:03Speaker 02

  I mean, I love otters.

• 46:04Travis Kelce?

  This is what life after era's tour is though, Jason. You gotta, it's so crazy.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  I'm retired. I am all in on this. I want to bake. I just don't have the planning behind it. Taylor's a planner and she's gonna have the sourdough alive. We're not gonna keep a sourdough alive.

• 46:20Travis Kelce?

  I've, I've folded, I've, what is it? I've, what's the?

• 46:23Speaker 03

  He's actually done it. He's actually done it.

• 46:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I've made a loaf. You've had one of my loaves, actually.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  He's done, he's done all of it. Like, we've, we've set it up where it's like, I've got a station and he's got a station and he's done all of it. Okay. So he's actually baked too.

• 46:36Travis Kelce?

  I've stretched and folded before.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  But there's just like something always slightly wrong with it.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  No, his was actually, his rose higher than mine. His was more delicious than mine. It's like, it's also, you know?

• 46:48Travis Kelce?

  No directions over here, Jasons.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  I get into the whole-

• 46:50Travis Kelce?

  No chance? Jason, you've had it and you said you loved it.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  I'm not saying it's not good, but it's no ways as good as Taylor's.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  That's not true.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  I'm telling you, if you took like two chunks and you sent it off to the lab, there's gonna be so many more germs and microbes and Travis-

• 47:06Speaker 03

  Oh my God. Oh ew.

• 47:10Speaker 03

  The, the bacteria count.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  What is the fungus in this? That's on this one? No, no.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:15Travis Kelce?

  That's the sourdough, Jason. Don't even-

• 47:17Speaker 02

  That's the sour, okay.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  Why is there chest hair in it? How did you?

• 47:21Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  There's like chest-

• 47:22Travis Kelce?

  The apron's too low.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  There's like chest hair in his, there's cat hair in mine. It's just like, both of these are completely inedible. But it's crazy how you can, how many puns you can make. Cause I do the whole, I got bread bags and I got

• 47:37Speaker 03

  labels. And so it's, you can, you can really go for it with the puns.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  You go, are you bread-y for it?

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Are you bread-y?

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Flower song is the slamming screen door. That's horrible.

• 47:56Speaker 03

  It's a loaf story, baby. Just say yeast.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Just say yeast. Yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  What's, what's wrong with dough?

• 48:04Travis Kelce?

  Keep going.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  It's a loaf story.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  I should've said dough. Uh, um, no, it's, it's horrible. Um, loafing him was bread.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  It's bad. It's you don't know that song and that's okay.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 48:19Speaker 03

  It wasn't on the tour.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  Tour. So we do have this. I did fuck that up. 21 countries. Did you learn anything throughout the play? Is there anything at the end of the tour? When you were wrapping up that you wish you had been doing the whole time? Is there anything you would do differently now that the entire tour is wrapped up?

• 48:39Speaker 03

  No, I, I, I'm really glad that I didn't know it would have gone on as long as it did. Um, I'm, I'm glad that I got to like actually be prepared for this tour, the way that I was because, you know, in previous tours, I had noticed that I would get on the tour and I'd have to like, get my stamina up throughout the tour. And by the last quarter of the tour, I'd finally hit my stride stamina wise. And I'd be like, oh, I can do this easily every night.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  I wanted to be at that point at the beginning of the era's tour. So that's why I did so much more training, so much more endurance training and, and cardio and stuff that, you know, doesn't come naturally because I'm not an athlete. So it's like that stuff I have to really force myself to do.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Don't you say that. Don't you dare say that.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Feel. And I don't even, it's not like I say that in a disparaging way. I, I, I don't care at all.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  But I just.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Do we, why did we take it that way?

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm like, I, I really, I'm not an athlete and that's fine. Like I play instruments.

• 49:39Travis Kelce?

  That way because we're undefeated on the beer pong table. I've seen you throw a football.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  No, that's not good. And you know, that's not good.

• 49:47Travis Kelce?

  It does. It does. You can.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  No.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Spiral?

• 49:51Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  You, you gotta, you gotta be real with me though. Cause it's not, there's no spiral. I don't think I've ever caught anything that's ever been thrown to me, near me, around me.

• 50:02Travis Kelce?

  In being an athlete.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Can you hit something with a stick?

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Um.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  That's a telltale sign of an athlete.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I don't know, Jason. We I've never tried that. So it's like.

• 50:12Travis Kelce?

  Going.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  We gotta try this out now.

• 50:13Travis Kelce?

  We're going out back.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  Here's the thing. My relationship with sports was like, you know, I grew up in Pennsylvania. I always heard my dad yelling at the screen, watching Eagles games. That was always the sports sounds that I heard in my house. However, I was up in my room playing guitar, learning instruments, playing piano, just I was focused on different things. I was like so laser focused on music. And that's how I was in school. Like I, I would go to sporting events so that I could sing the National Anthem. Like, everything was a means to an end to get me to get to do music. I've, I know every halftime show from the Super Bowls, but I don't, I didn't watch the sports. And so.

• 50:52Travis Kelce?

  Watching the Airs tour and seeing that power skip, I knew you were an athlete from the, from the, from the power skip.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  That's you're just saying words.

• 50:59Travis Kelce?

  It's one of my favorite parts.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  Just telling lies.

• 51:00Travis Kelce?

  Just see you just skipping down that runway.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  Just looking like a giraffe that limbs were put on all wrong.

• 51:05Travis Kelce?

  Not everybody can, everybody can skip, but not everybody can power skip in heels. That takes athleticism.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  Thank you. I appreciate that. What a unique compliment.

• 51:14Speaker 03

  So yeah, I, I, I definitely became obsessed with sports when it came to him. I'm competitive on his behalf. But like, if you and me are gonna go against each other in something athletic, like I'm gonna let you win, because this to me, like, I don't see why, what do the points even mean? If I'm, if I'm doing it, I'm a fan of athletics and the sports. If I'm doing the sports, like, I'm throwing like this, because I don't, what, I don't really care if it goes where it's supposed to go.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 51:43Speaker 03

  It doesn't bother me. And when I don't make the catch, I'm not embarrassed. That's fine.

• 51:48Travis Kelce?

  She's a good teammate, so she'll, she'll give effort if you're, if it's teamed up. If it's individual sports, she's not gonna care. But if she needs to be held accountable.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  If I'm on his team and we're playing beer pong or something, like I'm really trying.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  You're now you're in, you're team sports.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Because this matters to him, right?

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 52:02Speaker 03

  I'm a team sports gal.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  Put me, put me on an Olympic, one person trying to do some stuff sport, I'm doing this.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  I don't care.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  I'm getting out of here. Yeah.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm doing this, I care.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  I'm doing this, I care. This, care a lot.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  We're doing this, we're kneading dough.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  This? I don't, I don't care.

• 52:24Travis Kelce?

  He's stretching.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  I don't care if this happens. I don't care if this goes here. It's not part of my metrics for my self-worth.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  All right, that's probably very healthy, to be honest with you.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  Hey, you know, I was like, as long as you're fine with this.

• 52:38Travis Kelce?

  What? No, I'm completely fine with you being an athlete. Yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  I'm not an athlete. I'm never gonna be.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  You just missed the whole point.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:44Travis Kelce?

  What?

• 52:45Speaker 03

  He sees what he wants to see, and it bodes well for me.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Do you have a favorite thing from the Eras Tour?

• 52:53Speaker 03

  I have a lot of favorite things from the Eras Tour. I would look out and I would see a lot of bonding happening between generations of people.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Gosh, that's so true.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  It was really wonderful. It was like the most incredible feeling in the world, because I can see all that. I've got LASIK. I have incredible.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  Basically, the Eras Tour, I think one of my favorite things was when the fans would come up with their own traditions, right?

• 53:17Travis Kelce?

  Oh, so cool.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  Because I can, I can plan a stage show that's like, we know exactly what's happening, when it's gonna happen. It's very stage managed. It's a whole production, right? And I love to plan. But I also do love surprises. Like, there's a time during the European, like, of the Eras Tour. There's a song called Willow, where we do a performance where we have these, it's a very like witchy performance. We have these like light-up orbs and we're in cloaks and it's all very woo. And the fans decided that they were gonna bring their own light-up orbs. And by that, I mean balloons that they would blow up in the audience, like.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  And then they would light their, they would use their phone light behind it and create a light-up orb. When I tell you I looked out, yeah, or a glow stick, whatever, like, they would figure out ways to illuminate them themselves. And it was insane to look out and see spontaneously.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  Thousands of these orbs just go up. And I'd just be like, I don't even know who organized this.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:21Speaker 03

  Was there a group text?

• 54:24Speaker 03

  How did you guys even do this? It was so special.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  It felt like we were all part of something together in a way that couldn't be planned. And there's, as much as I love and relish in planning, it was really fun that they would do things to sort of delight me every once in a while. They had little chants, they had all these traditions. By the end of the tour, it was like Rocky Horror Picture Show, where they have their own.

• 54:45Travis Kelce?

  They have their own show, literally.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:47Travis Kelce?

  It was, I remember being in Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  And you know what?

• 54:51Speaker 02

  What did you just say?

• 54:53Travis Kelce?

  Gelsenkirchen.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Love is him learning that.

• 54:55Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  That's our actual, that's a city?

• 54:57Speaker 03

  He came to Gelsenkirchen.

• 54:59Travis Kelce?

  I think that's how you say it.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  Supported me there.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  I've never heard of this.

• 55:01Travis Kelce?

  If you say it with a German accent, it probably sounds more like the actual city. But my American accent is Gelsenkirchen.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Gelsenkirchen.

• 55:08Travis Kelce?

  And I remember seeing that part of the show and they were literally doing circles and like putting the orbs up in the air and passing them to each other like they were performing.

• 55:18Speaker 03

  It was so beautiful.

• 55:19Travis Kelce?

  It was crazy.

• 55:20Speaker 03

  They were so committed. I've never, I've never played for crowds that were as committed.

• 55:24Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  So I think I loved the event of it. Like, I'm always, I'm always trying to figure out how to make music into more of an event, right? How do we make it romantic? How do we make it something that people experience together? And, you know, that's why I love vinyl. That's why I love, you know, putting so much into the tour or a music video or events or activities for them to do or Easter eggs or little puzzles for them to solve. Like, it's gotten to the point where it's just like, it's a little bit, people are like, the Easter eggs thing is getting a little Zodiac Killer at this point. I'm like, as long as they like it, you know?

• 56:03Speaker 02

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• 57:23Speaker 02

  Like knowing how to do an Easter egg. I don't even know, like, where does that process start? Are you like?

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Well, I have some parameters.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  What is the art of the Easter egg?

• 57:31Speaker 03

  The art of the Easter egg is that there's do's and don'ts, right? Like, I'm never gonna plant an Easter egg that ties back to my personal life. It's always gonna be towards music or a musical, something I'm coming up with, something I have coming up, a plan I have coming together, something that you don't know I'm saying for a specific reason that you'll hear later and you'll go back and be like, oh my God. Like, I think my favorite one of those was I was given an honorary doctorate from NYU and I made the commencement speech and I put so many lyrical Easter eggs in that speech

• 58:14Speaker 03

  that when the Midnight's album came out after that, the fans were like, the whole speech was an Easter egg.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  And that's for me, that's really fun because they find it fun.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 58:30Speaker 03

  And also just I love numerology. I love math stuff. I love dates. I love certain, I just, that stuff like I find really fun. And, you know, I want Easter eggs to be a certain thing where like if you are a part of... The fandom and you want to experience like music in a normal way.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  Then you don't even see these. You don't even care what that thing is above that doorway in, under that dimly lit flickering light over there that's upside down, backwards in Braille. I you don't, you don't need to know what that is.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  I love this. Yeah.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  But if you want, if you want to look at that.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  But if you do.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Then it's there.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:10Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like if you know, you know.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  If you know.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  You know.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. What's.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  Then you know.

• 59:16Travis Kelce?

  Then you know.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Let's talk about something I don't know. What is numerology? You threw that phrase out there like that's a comment. What is numerology?

• 59:22Travis Kelce?

  You don't know what numerology is?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  I'm assuming something with numbers.

• 59:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like I'm eighty seven and she's thirteen.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, literally. It's that simple. Just numbers.

• 59:30Travis Kelce?

  And one hundred.

• 59:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, thirteen plus eighty seven equals one hundred. That's numerology. Like.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  But what is?

• 59:37Speaker 03

  Numbers, numbers that have a specific significance. Like, yeah, exactly.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Keep it one hundred?

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:44Speaker 03

  Do you not keep it one hundred ever?

• 59:45Speaker 02

  I'm trying to. I'm I attempt to.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  It's crazy that you don't.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  What numbers do I have?

• 59:52Speaker 03

  You're just admitting that like that.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  Kylie, I don't know how to do this.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  It's okay. It's not for everyone.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  My favorite number is thirteen, though. It always has been Travis.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  I know. And that's part of the numerology of why we're dating.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:00:05Travis Kelce?

  Part of it.

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  If.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:00:07Travis Kelce?

  It's been in my life.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  Travis, Travis likes people that like the number thirteen.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  What is liking the number thirteen say about us, though?

• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  It says that we're family in.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  In trichodectophilia, I think it is, is the.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  What the?

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  Obsession with.

• 1:00:24Travis Kelce?

  No, man. It's every day, dude. This is every day.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  That's a real thing.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  You know what that means?

• 1:00:28Travis Kelce?

  This is every day.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  He knows what this means.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Trichodelfophilia? So that's the obsession with specifically number thirteen or some, I'm sorry.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, triska deck, triska decophobia is when you hate thirteen. Triska decophilia is when you love it.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Philia is love. I, um, I don't know why I do. It was like everybody else was afraid of number thirteen. So then I'm like, yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  That's a phobia. That's a phobia.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're just being contrarian, which I love. I love that about you.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  You're just like, you want to do this? I'm gonna do this.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  That's exactly how I sound.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Oh, Jason.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Let's get.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  Jason, Jason, Jason.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  All right. Favorite, favorite thing about the airs tour was besides going to it and just being like this amazed at everything. I think I was on another podcast recently, just like all of the songs, everything you just talked about where it changes so much, right? There's something new every 20, 30 seconds. It was incredible. The nonstop length of it, but I will, I'm going to be remiss if I don't say one of the things that I loved is watching Travis Kelce get on the stage, the man in the tuxedo.

• 1:01:37Speaker 03

  It was so good. It was so special. That was like, we were like, that came about because we were just doing, we thought we were doing a bit. Like we both thought we were just joking because a lot of what we're saying is like inside of a bit and we're laughing the whole time. And every once in a while, one of us be like, are you serious? Like I, I could be, I'm, I could be serious. Are you serious? Like?

• 1:01:58Travis Kelce?

  I was, I was serious in and in terrifying fashion. I was like, yeah.

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  It was like a, wouldn't it be funny if kind of thing? And.

• 1:02:09Travis Kelce?

  I would try not to fuck this up. The show's perfect. You don't want to fuck the show up, do you?

• 1:02:15Speaker 03

  But I knew you were going to be down for, I knew you were, if you wanted to do it, like I was never going to pressure you to do it. But the fact that when, when we were talking about it, we were joking, I kind of got, I saw that little twinkle in your eye where I was like, oh, he wants to do it.

• 1:02:26Travis Kelce?

  You want me to?

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  He wants to do it.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  He wants to.

• 1:02:29Travis Kelce?

  You want me to go on stage?

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. You got up there. You were so good. Every single beat, his comedic timing is crazy. Like, and when the lights are bright, he's like, he like slows down time. Like that's when he.

• 1:02:43Travis Kelce?

  Well, no, I just blackout and hope that it ends out like perfect.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  That's, you said, you and I are saying the same thing.

• 1:02:50Travis Kelce?

  I did.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  It's a big blackout, yeah.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like I, I rose from that stage and I saw how many people are looking at you. And I was just like.

• 1:03:03Travis Kelce?

  Blackout.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  You looked so good. It was so amazing. Like it was, it was one of the loudest, if not the loudest screams I've ever heard on the tour.

• 1:03:10Travis Kelce?

  It was insane.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  It really was.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  How many, Chad, you played football in some of the biggest stadiums you've been in front of, people have been staring at your whole life. What was that moment like?

• 1:03:19Travis Kelce?

  There's nothing like this. I felt like an ant. I felt like the smallest piece of life ever, like that entire stadium, the floor.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  What are all these people doing on the field?

• 1:03:31Travis Kelce?

  How were, holy, I didn't know this place felt like this. Oh my gosh. What is going on? I have to pick her up now. Um, okay. Here we go. Don't drop her. Don't drop, don't drop her.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  It's so funny that you were actually scared about that. You could like throw me over a mountain. And like climb the mountain and catch me on the other side, like.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Football players drop balls all the time.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  Oh my God. It was so good. It was, it was London. It was Wembley Stadium. It was, those were such special shows and we had just, uh, wasn't this the week that I got to watch, uh, Jason meet the royal family?

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  It was.

• 1:04:12Travis Kelce?

  It was.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. I knew you were serious when I was like, Jason, do you want to go meet?

• 1:04:17Travis Kelce?

  He was like, what do I do with my beer?

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. I watched him have this moment with his beer where he's just like, but I want to take it, but I know that I, I probably should not take it. I watched this happen and it was kind of the most amazing.

• 1:04:30Travis Kelce?

  What do I do when I meet?

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  I like that you picked up on it because that was exactly what was going on in my head.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  If I don't, like, if I don't have my beer, what do I do with this hand now?

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Disrespectful to have a beer when you need loyalty?

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  Or am I just like being, being authentic by having the beer? I would normally have the beer. Wouldn't they want me to be myself? I'm watching you say that in your head. And it was fantastic. I don't know. I'll always remember that. I was just, just like, I'll always remember meeting you for the first time, Jason.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Do we need to talk about that? That time I did hold on to my beer.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  You did.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  What was, I guess you brought it up. What was that first impression like? What was, did you know I was told to be on by misbehavior?

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  I didn't know what you were told, but I did know that one of the first things I saw was like, you say to Kylie, I was just shotgunning beers with the Bills mafia. And I really want to go through one of the, the fire tables.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  I want to jump through it. I want to jump onto the flaming table. And she goes, okay, can we not do that right now?

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  And since then, I've heard her say that exact thing to your four year old. About like mommy, I want to throw this pudding on the wall. Wouldn't that be fun? Can we not do it right now?

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  That's a common phrase.

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  And so I meet you, you're exactly as I thought you would be Kylie is exactly as I thought she would be just like the realest, the smartest, the coolest. You're fantastic. Obviously you know that. Um, and then I swear to God, Jason, you flew through the window at light speed. I've never seen someone so big move so fast.

• 1:06:12Travis Kelce?

  It's impressive.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  It's like, you know, when you see a cricket and it's here?

• 1:06:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  And then it's gone and it's, and it's 16 feet that way. You're like, did it just jump that way? How did it do that?

• 1:06:22Travis Kelce?

  And he's surprisingly, he gets more athletic, the more drunk.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  More beers. I mean, it's real.

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  It was wild.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  I really should have played in the NFL drunk. I think it would have been better.

• 1:06:30Speaker 03

  You know what? Not know. At this point, I would never argue with that. And all of a sudden, like you're out there in the snow. You're handing me children through the window like.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Trying to.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  It's fully.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Not my best moment.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  It was. And like, I think it actually was. And I'm really grateful.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  I was like, you want to see Taylor? I got you. Let's go.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  Whose kid is that, Jason?

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  Don't know.

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  Do you know where this kid came from? Um, but yeah, it was, I think it was your best moment and I think I'm very lucky to have gotten to see it. I love this like new world that Travis has shown me because I really, it's so fun. It's so exciting. There's so much pressure on these players that I didn't, I, I kind of was like, I've, I've only ever been in music and been like, you know, seeing that, but the, the pressure on sports is just such a different type that I have such a respect for everyone, like everyone I meet on his team. Like everyone I see doing this, I'm just like, you've been focused on this since you were a kid. And it shows.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Well, and I'm sure there's a lot of relatability there. Anybody trying to be the best at what they do and dedicating their lives to it? I mean, yeah.

• 1:07:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, and I've been, I've been so lucky because I never have gotten to see what the suite looks like when I play the game.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  Because they didn't have a camera on it.

• 1:07:49Travis Kelce?

  I never get to see my friends and family. I never get, so now whenever I make a play, I get to see it, what it actually looks like, how much fun they're having, what, you know, the type of support that I get and how crazy it gets. So the Vegas Super Bowl, there was, there was a camera on the suite. And when Nicole scored that touchdown and to see everybody as we start jumping on each other.

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  People are body slamming each other into other rooms. It was so violent.

• 1:08:16Travis Kelce?

  It's giving me the chills right now.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  Like everybody.

• 1:08:19Travis Kelce?

  I'm the, I'm the luckiest guy in the world.

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  That video.

• 1:08:21Travis Kelce?

  To get everybody going crazy.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  People went down, like there were, there were people punching each other. It was like absolute chaos. And like I have, I have every memory of that, like every memory of that moment is intact, but it's just like screaming and thrashing around and trying not to be taken down by this undertow of your friends going absolutely shit.

• 1:08:47Travis Kelce?

  Loved every bit of it.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Oh, it was so insane.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  I mean, the, the suite that is the Travis Kelce suite that has been happening, what was your first impression of that, of everybody in there?

• 1:08:59Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  Who's the MVP of the suite? Who's the MVP of the suite?

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  Okay, so he's got, which is incredible, like a huge green flag is that Travis has had the same friends since he's probably four years old.

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:09:10Travis Kelce?

  Um, literally.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  And he's incredibly good at maintaining friendships and he's so loyal and his friends are equally loyal and they're just the funniest, most hilarious group of people.

• 1:09:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. And, um, you want to talk about green flags? The first game she went to, the Bears game, she literally went through the front door of the stadium.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, we walked right in.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  Just right in, like the tick, like. General admission?

• 1:09:31Travis Kelce?

  Through general admission through with the everybody on the bus to the game.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:09:37Travis Kelce?

  I was just like, oh, she's just in it. She's down. She's down for the ride. She's here for she's here for the fun. She's like, I'll fucking go through the mud. I'll be a part of Chief's kingdom.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  Like, if this is where we walk in, this is where we walk in. I don't know what to tell you. I don't have an alternative. I'm like, you know, we just played here three months ago.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Speaker 03

  And we went a different way, but I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to backseat drive this shit.

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  What was that like? What were people doing?

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  I remember using like Ross was like, Ross is so tall and so and so broad. That it's like that, that helps a lot. And then just you have a lot of other just like big bulky dudes that you're friends with.

• 1:10:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Green flag, not threatened by other guys.

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  I was walking in with, I had a hat on and I had a mask on and I'm walking in just in the front where we're walking in with thousands of people in Arrowhead. And nobody, nobody noticed.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  There were rumors that we had been seeing each other, but I think people were like, what would they talk about? You know?

• 1:10:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. I hinted on the Pat McAfee show that I was gonna see if you would be willing to come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Travis Kelce?

  Since I've seen you make the stadium.

• 1:10:51Speaker 03

  But nobody was like, oh, yeah, we're definitely gonna, we're definitely gonna see her there and we're gonna see her coming in through general admission.

• 1:10:58Travis Kelce?

  The way this guy landed her. No chance. No chance that whole podcast thing worked.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  I didn't believe it when you told me.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  You manifested it.

• 1:11:06Travis Kelce?

  I did.

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  You summoned me. Here I am.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Andy Reid has recently revealed that he was the one who set you guys up. How true is this revelation by Big Red?

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  Whatever Andy Reid says, we're gonna stand by.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  We're not gonna refute anything.

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  He says it. That's what happened.

• 1:11:25Travis Kelce?

  So it's all the same.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  That's what happened. He's, he's been friends with my dad. My dad is, is the most social man who's ever been born.

• 1:11:32Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to Scott.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  I was about to say, who's not friends with Scott?

• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  He's just like, he's just a maniac. He will make a friend in an airport in 1971, have a five minute conversation and still be talking to that dude twice a week now. And but he's like that with everyone he meets. Like he has, he's able to have very many, very meaningful relationships. And it's, it's a skill.

• 1:11:55Travis Kelce?

  It's a talent. It's, it is a. Mind boggling talent that I have only known him to have.

• 1:12:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  He's a savant.

• 1:12:02Travis Kelce?

  It is impressive.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  Social savant, my dad. And so he knows Andy and, uh, you know, Andy's been coming to shows for years and stuff like that. So we've, I've always had like a really positive vibe about Andy Reid. I didn't really know what, what, what the sports were that he was doing, but I knew that that was my dad's friend, Andy Reid.

• 1:12:20Travis Kelce?

  You knew he was really.

• 1:12:21Speaker 03

  I now know he is literally the most iconic legendary.

• 1:12:24Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  Coach of all time.

• 1:12:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  And like from the way that you talk about him, his leadership style is so, I respect it so much.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  Because I feel like it's done without like aggression or raising your voice or losing your composure. It's all very composed and focused.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  Can happen.

• 1:12:40Travis Kelce?

  He will rip you apart for sure.

• 1:12:42Speaker 03

  But like not in.

• 1:12:43Travis Kelce?

  You gotta be really like not running the plays he's calling.

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like, but it's not done. It's not overdone, right? Like if you get it from him, you know, you deserve it and you're in shape up. That's what I heard from you.

• 1:12:54Travis Kelce?

  Exactly. And yeah, there's validity to it. There's like, there's so, there's such a genuine like want to get better. That him getting you to like, do it the right way is a, is, it's like a disciplinary thing. It's just like he, he won't, he wouldn't be doing it unless he saw the greatness in you or he saw your ability to get it right. And he wouldn't be doing it this way if it was any other.

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:22Travis Kelce?

  Way, if that makes sense.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  It does.

• 1:13:24Speaker 03

  There's a lot of heart.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, there's a stoicism too, which makes the heart, when he shows it to you, and I think this is what you're kind of saying, Taylor. He's so like composed and so like locked in. And then all of a sudden, when he does show that little bit of like warmth, it's like, ah, here's that teddy bear. I see him.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's funny. He's cheeky.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  But it's like, everything has a reason. Like everything is, every, everything is very like intentional. He's like, I feel like he like. Coaches and lives in a very intentional way, which I think is really awesome. And it's just like a great leadership style.

• 1:13:56Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, there's a layer of trust and there's a layer of like discipline where you you're gonna have some fun playing with for him, but you're gonna know when you gotta flip that switch to be serious and be on point and and do it his way. He says it all the time. He's got 51%. I was like, yeah, all right. Whatever you say, boss.

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  I always feel like when you lose your shit, you lose your leadership, you know?

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:14:18Speaker 03

  It's just kind of something I've always kind of tried to administer in what I'm doing. But he's a he's a huge role model for that is how he motivates people and how he does so without flying off the handle and is just very focused on what the right thing is at the right moment, you know?

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yep. So what so did Andy tell Scott something? Is that what I'm trying to what did Andy say, Scott?

• 1:14:42Speaker 03

  I mean, okay, so when you guys did the full send on the podcast?

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:14:46Speaker 03

  Um, and he was like, you want to date me? And everybody heard it. It was the the shooting your shot heard around the world.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  Basically, everyone who likes you, which is a lot of people, started reaching out to everyone who knows me.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  I think it was like Andy was vouching for you. I think it was my my relatives, my cousins were like, please, please, please, he's amazing. There were there were friends that were like, he's actually an amazing guy. Like, he's so great. It would. There was a lot of kind of people whispering in my ear about you. And I actually, that's not normal. Like, it's not normal. There are people just willing to go to bat for you and be like, you don't understand this guy's incredible.

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  Well, Andy, well done.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you, Andy.

• 1:15:32Travis Kelce?

  And Scott, and Scott, thank you.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  There we go, Scott. How speaking of which, how's Scott doing? He's doing good?

• 1:15:37Speaker 03

  So he is doing incredibly well. My dad had an interesting summer. He actually had a quintuple bypass surgery. And that's a really intense surgery.

• 1:15:49Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Speaker 03

  So it it all happened really quick. He went in. Um, I know he would want me to say this because he really like, he learned a lot through this process. He's had a healthy, perfect EKG every year that he's gone in to get his physicals.

• 1:16:03Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  Perfect EKG.

• 1:16:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:05Speaker 03

  But what what found his five hard blockages in his heart was um a resting stress test. So he's been telling all his friends, you need to get the stress test because that's what's actually preventative. If you can find that earlier, you don't have to have a bypass surgery. You can, you can sort out those blockages with stents and things that are a lot less invasive. So he finds out that he's got these blockages. They're like, this is, we we gotta do this like tomorrow.

• 1:16:31Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  You you you shouldn't, like, we don't know how you walked in here, dude. This is crazy. Um, so he was, of course, saying to our family, he was like, you guys are busy. I don't want you guys to have to like come in here like you and Austin are busy like, just don't, you don't have to do this, like, don't come.

• 1:16:49Travis Kelce?

  Dad, the strong dad, the, you know.

• 1:16:51Speaker 03

  He had, he said something about like when a cat is injured, it curls up around a tree and heals itself. I was like, Dad, cats don't have quintuple bypass surgery.

• 1:16:58Travis Kelce?

  Tried to relate.

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  That's wild. You're just saying stuff now. That doesn't mean anything to me. And so I was like, okay, I'm not gonna come there.

• 1:17:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  All right, like, uh, so he wakes up from surgery and it's it's my mom, my brother and me and his best friend. And he comes out of surgery and he was, he did like a comedy act, a comedy set for like fifteen minutes. He was the funniest he's ever been and he's usually really funny. But he's like, he he, we didn't know how many blockages he had. And I was like, Dad, you had a quintuple bypass. You had five. It's crazy. It's more than we thought. And he's like, well, you see, I come from a very competitive family.

• 1:17:40Speaker 03

  And it was kind of wild because it was like, it was very parent child reversal.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Speaker 03

  In a lot of ways, like my brother and my mom and I were each taking shifts in the ICU and staying with him 24/7. And I remember when I was a teenager, my parents would always, the big fight we always had is I'd sneak my cell phone into my room and be talking to my best friend, Abigail, under the covers all night. And they'd be like, you have a test tomorrow. You need to rest. We're taking your phone, whatever.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Speaker 03

  I'd get to the hospital, my brother will have done the night shift and he's like, he's like, hey, you gotta take his phone. I caught him FaceTiming his friends all night. He needs his rest. He needs to be sleeping. He's FaceTiming all night.

• 1:18:17Travis Kelce?

  It's like one of the main things you need is you need that, your body to just like.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  Cover.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  And I'm like, I'm not taking his phone. He'll get mad. He's like, I'm not taking his phone. You gotta be the one to take his phone. I'm like, I'm not doing it. My mom's like, I don't want to do it. My mom, so we're just like, it's like, we've got our, like our teen, we've got to take our teenage son's phone away from him because he's FaceTiming all night. He came out of surgery, tried to give guitar picks to all the nurses and doctors, but he wasn't wearing pants, didn't have pockets, hospital gown. You know, I'm like, I'm having these moments where I'm like, this dude built playsets and swing sets and cribs for me. I'm building his like, I'm building his shower chair and his walker and his like bed that goes like this, like,

• 1:19:00Speaker 03

  it's just surreal, man. And you're like, you know, we just all moved in with him for the whole summer, pretty much. And just, you know, because you can't, you can't really walk on your own. He had a little harness for, for my dad. Just like walking dad on his harness. And he was like the loveliest patient ever. He just kept saying thank you over and over again. So.

• 1:19:22Travis Kelce?

  Guy was full of life, man.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Travis Kelce?

  He was appreciative that he, that he caught it.

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  He still is.

• 1:19:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  You know it. We had, we had the FaceTime with him last time we were together. And I was like, yeah, he hasn't changed a bit. This guy's still freaking, got the energy going. Yeah.

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, yeah. My, so like Trav was hanging with him the other day and he was like, so, uh, sweetie, he says he's at 75% and if this is 75%, I'm truly terrified of him.

• 1:19:50Travis Kelce?

  To give you the update, I'm probably at 85 to 90% now. So we still got a month though.

• 1:19:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. So my dad's like, my dad's like, new arteries, new me. My mom, my mom just got a new knee.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  New knee. There we go. New knees.

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  She's doing great. She's, she's scampering around. We're not quite at scampering yet, but she's doing great.

• 1:20:08Travis Kelce?

  She's never moving around.

• 1:20:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. This was just like the summer of my parental upgrades. Like we're just upgrading the parents, making sure that they live to be at least 186 years old.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  Huge.

• 1:20:18Speaker 03

  Cause they're two of my best friends and I, I just adore them. And it was actually one of the most special things that's ever happened to me. Like spending all that time with them this summer and, and getting to like, you, you have those long talks that you don't have when it's like a, a small concentrated period of time. This is, this is when I learned to do the sourdough, right? My, my parents friend Tina sends over a loaf.

• 1:20:41Travis Kelce?

  Shout out Tina.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  Shout out Tina. That's my girl.

• 1:20:44Travis Kelce?

  Thank you Tina.

• 1:20:45Speaker 03

  Sends over like the best loaf of bread I've ever had in my life. To call it bread feels really honestly sort of like.

• 1:20:51Travis Kelce?

  It's gold.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Sort of like minimizing what this was, right?

• 1:20:54Travis Kelce?

  It's modern day gold.

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  So I'm like, I need to know what, I need to know how to do this. I go over to Tina's house. She teaches me how to do it. She gives me some of her starter. Life is never the same. All these things are happening in Florida. Travis is doing his training. He's like, you look at him.

• 1:21:08Travis Kelce?

  In Florida.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  Look at it. Look at him. And he's so fast and he jumps so high. Um, so this was our Florida summer.

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  That's what it is.

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  It's a hell of a drug. Uh, we, we.

• 1:21:20Travis Kelce?

  It's one hell of a drug.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  Really Florida'd it up.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  Florida. Yeah, no doubt. All right. How many people have come up to you guys and talking about, or spoken about how much they've appreciated you being a part of the Chiefs? And like their daughters, all of a sudden being in the sports. Cause I get it all the time.

• 1:21:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  I can't imagine how much you guys get it. How much the game has grown.

• 1:21:43Speaker 03

  It definitely feels like a lot of people say that to us, which is really kind because there was never a thought in either of our heads that that was going to be.

• 1:21:52Travis Kelce?

  I had no idea. That was, yeah, that was a pleasant surprise. Seeing all the little girls in the stands at games. And you can see a proud father right there standing next to them. It's, it's a, it's, it's definitely been fun to see that, like surprise.

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  You know, I think a lot of like, a lot of the, the women and girls, maybe they, maybe they like watched one game to. See me cheer on my boyfriend or whatever, but if they if they stayed, which is what people are saying based on the numbers, that's because the game is so great and it's such an amazing, interesting thing to learn about.

• 1:22:25Travis Kelce?

  I will say it was it was cool to see the comparison of it all because she, the way she runs her her tour, her show, her like team and everything like that is very like team friendly. There are similarities in terms of um her athleticism.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:42Travis Kelce?

  What she's doing for three hours.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  I mean, I was screaming, I was screaming for forty seconds during the intro and I'm out of breath.

• 1:22:49Travis Kelce?

  That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But the preparation it takes to get there.

• 1:22:52Speaker 03

  I got a whole regimen for you. We'll get you on the tour prep. It'll be great.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 1:22:57Travis Kelce?

  The goals that you set for yourself to achieve, like it's very like, there are, there are some similarities that I thought you found like, I don't know, like fascinating that you kind of have that same regimen uh going into stuff. And I thought that was uh that was fun for me to at least uh see when I saw you on tour and saw how much of a of a team you guys were.

• 1:23:16Speaker 03

  On paper, like we actually kind of have a very similar job. Like our job is to entertain people for three plus hours in NFL stadiums. And it's like, like when I'm there, it's called a dressing room. When Travis is there, it's called a locker room. For me, it's called a rehearsal. For him, it's called a practice. For him, it's called his coach. For me, it's my mom. Uh, so uh, yeah, so there will be time for like game, game versus show, right? I'll be like, baby, how was the show? Game.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Game.

• 1:23:46Speaker 03

  How was the rehearsal, the practice? Uh, you know, field, stage, they're the same thing. We just call them different things.

• 1:23:54Travis Kelce?

  Yes, exactly. It was cool to see the comparisons and how kind of, I don't know, both aligned. And her, how hard she works in the gym. We've been to the gym like numerous times and she works harder than me every time.

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  That's not true. That's crazy. You can like squat lift a car. He's just telling, he's just saying words.

• 1:24:09Travis Kelce?

  That's just genetic.

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  He's just saying words.

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  But he, that's one rep. That's one rep. This is what people forget.

• 1:24:15Speaker 03

  I can stretch more. That's what I can do more.

• 1:24:18Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  I've heard about the, we've talked about the treadmill walk in while you're doing the whole show and like all of it. We can't walk for four hours. When's the last time you walked for four hours, Travis?

• 1:24:27Travis Kelce?

  I've never even tried that. I'm not stupid enough to try something like that.

• 1:24:33Travis Kelce?

  You kidding me? My knees would be shredded.

• 1:24:35Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  So one of, one of the other things that's been crazy to witness is just the media attention, right? Like, I think you play in the, in the NFL, you think Travis don't do this.

• 1:24:47Speaker 03

  On the, on the two, the two of us?

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  You, oh, let me, yeah, yes. Okay. The media attention on your guys' relationship, on the amount of people that talk about it constantly, the theories that are out there, of which I am probably way too invested in. What? How do you guys handle all of the noise and chatter about everything that's going on in both of your lives?

• 1:25:10Speaker 03

  We, we don't really. I don't see a lot of things. I'm of the firm belief that like, you know, if you're basing your kind of, if you're getting your feedback from the internet or from comments and stuff, like, I just really think that, like, anything you put, anything you feed your brain, it will internalize. Anything you feed the internet, it will kill.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:30Speaker 03

  I've been, I've been in the music industry for 20 years. It's pretty hard to hurt my feelings at this point.

• 1:25:35Travis Kelce?

  She's a pro, and it took me a little while to be a pro about it, I think. I think, and there's still some, like, wacko theories from the beginning, that I was very like, oh no, like, how is she handling this? I, I don't, like, the last thing I wanted to do is screw this up. So I'm like, in my mind, is like, her being so calm, cool, collected, and so just real, and understanding about everything that's going on, really made me grow up real fast in that, in that aspect of things.

• 1:26:04Speaker 03

  But also, I think the fact that, that you genuinely find a lot of online discourse to be truly hilarious.

• 1:26:10Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely hilarious.

• 1:26:10Speaker 03

  And that changes things for me, because...

• 1:26:13Travis Kelce?

  Discourse and truth.

• 1:26:14Speaker 03

  You know, if I...

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  Find the humor in it. Find the humor in it.

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  If he's seeing things and he thinks it's funny, and it doesn't even affect his day at all, like, that's really completely bled into the way that I metabolize these things. It's at a point where, like, I can, something can be about me, like, my name can be in the actual headline. And it can still be none of my business.

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:26:39Speaker 03

  People can be out here, people might be out here doing too much.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Just shaking ass.

• 1:26:43Speaker 03

  Doesn't mean I have to do a damn thing.

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:46Speaker 03

  We live in such a social media moment where a lot of people's identities and, and they get their feedback from that, right? Like, and I'm a real constructive criticism guy, like, give me constructive criticism all day. I will take it.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  Coach me up.

• 1:27:01Speaker 03

  It'll fuel me. It's helpful, right? But I have so many like friends or acquaintances or people were like, they'll see one comment they don't like.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  And it will ruin their day, it'll ruin their night. Like, and I just want to say to them, like, you should, you should think of your energy as if it's expensive, as if it's like a luxury item. Not everyone can afford it. Like, not everyone has invested in you in order to be able to have the capital for you to care about this.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Cause like what you spend your energy on, that's the day.

• 1:27:33Speaker 02

  And it's so true.

• 1:27:34Speaker 03

  Right? Like, it doesn't matter where you were, like, maybe you went to go get coffee today, maybe you saw friends today. If you were obsessing over one thing that you saw, like, you literally, like, saw some guy call you mid. And this, and you can't stop thinking about it.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  No, he did not.

• 1:27:51Speaker 03

  You can't stop thinking about it, dude, that's the day then. That's the night then. And so I, I just, I've been able to sort of mediate a really healthy relationship with not seeing a whole lot.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  To what you just said too, the, and social media expounds every, all this because everybody knows if they say one thing, but all of a sudden if they put Taylor Swift attached to it, it's going to get a thousand more retweets and likes and hate comments or love comments or whatever. It's going to stir up tons of controversy.

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  And I'm, I get this way all the time where I just recently like went into the facility with Cam Jurgens. And something was happening like. In the social media world that I was like, why are people like upset at this person? This is bullshit, yada, yada. And Cam just hit me with like, are they really though? Or did just one person say something? Cause I used to get the same way where I'd get upset and then it took me like, actually, nobody really gives a shit about this.

• 1:28:46Travis Kelce?

  Jason's early Twitter years? Oh, baby.

• 1:28:50Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:28:50Travis Kelce?

  Oh, baby. He had to get off. He had to, he had to literally step away.

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  It hit me right between the eyes.

• 1:28:56Travis Kelce?

  Cause he would respond to, I wouldn't say everybody, but he, he wasn't shy of letting people know how he felt on Twitter.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:29:02Travis Kelce?

  Based off of their comments. It was honestly Philadelphia. You guys know this, it was a treat and it's become a treat again. Now that he's back on, because you'll have a friendly conversation.

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  Well, Twitter used to be like a different thing, right? But you remember Twitter, you're like, I fed a squirrel ate a piece of bread, didn't know they ate bread like that, straight smashed it.

• 1:29:22Travis Kelce?

  Now that there's autocorrect, I need to get back on Twitter.

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  To be, right? I'm like, I need a pair of scissors to open this, these scissors. Like, we're just thinking things, right? It's like a different thing now. And it's kind of about like, information is power, I guess. Unless all of your information is geared towards you thinking that everything is about you. Cause you know, no, not everyone is ever thinking about one person all the time at any point. It's just like, if your algorithm is giving you either criticisms of yourself or adulation or praise, it's, you're creating an ecosystem in which you're the centerpiece of the table. And I just don't think that's healthy. Like, that's not the way I want to move through the world. So I do detach from the internet in a huge way.

• 1:30:10Speaker 03

  Like, I'm just not, I have never, I have had my comments disabled on Instagram for like 10 years now.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Speaker 03

  And I don't miss it.

• 1:30:20Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. I found that out after theirs tour. Comments were gonna be the first way.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  Dude, the problem is I get so mad, I then go and look at all the other comments and then Twitter just feeds me more.

• 1:30:33Travis Kelce?

  Dude, you're on like Reddit.

• 1:30:34Speaker 03

  It's like so we saw, we saw this like this.

• 1:30:38Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Whereas, whereas I'm like, I don't know what this is, but get it out of my office. It's on fire.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  My business is, is making music and taking care of my fans and I have ways of monitoring what they want from me and how best to entertain them, which is my job.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  And everything else, I'm just sort of like, it's not my business. I have actual business that I need to run. Can you imagine if we just talked about what people said about our relationship?

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:06Speaker 03

  Cause that, if we talked about that, that would be all we talked about because there's so much chatter. It's like, we're, we're busy having an actual relationship.

• 1:31:15Travis Kelce?

  I want to hear sourdough bread puns.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and you will. And that's a promise.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  All right. Let's get to the part of this show that I think is what everybody is going to be talking about.

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  Do I get to say it? Do I get to say, I get to say the two words? Yes.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  Well, you, I think we were gonna try and.

• 1:31:38Speaker 03

  This is what I.

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  You, you can do whatever you want, Taylor. I don't, we're not gonna review. This is very much whatever.

• 1:31:43Speaker 03

  Within the framework of the podcast. I'm a fan of the podcast.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Typically, we would allow the guest to say new news.

• 1:31:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I want to do it.

• 1:31:51Speaker 02

  But with Zach Brown, we had another bit that we did. I don't know if you saw.

• 1:31:55Travis Kelce?

  I don't know if we can get back to this. I've, I forgot, I forgot everything that Zach taught me already.

• 1:32:00Speaker 02

  All right. Let's just let the expert take care of this.

• 1:32:02Speaker 03

  Okay. I just wanted, I wanted to scream it.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  Taylor.

• 1:32:05Speaker 03

  Just Travis style. Do you want me to start it or echo it?

• 1:32:07Travis Kelce?

  I think Taylor has a little bit of new news.

• 1:32:15Speaker 02

  She's a natural. She's a natural.

• 1:32:16Speaker 03

  It was as fun as I thought it was gonna be. Oh, it was everything. It was everything and more.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  We did talk about Easter eggs earlier.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  And at the very last Eras Tour, you didn't take the lift.

• 1:32:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:32:29Speaker 02

  You went upstage and exited through an orange door. Why did you change the ending?

• 1:32:36Speaker 03

  So that's, I'm happy you mentioned that. I was about to say, Jason. Did you see that fans, did you see that the fans noticed this? Cause I was pretty proud of them for noticing that.

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  They noticed everything.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  I was surfing the internet and saw something.

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. So that was, I was pretty happy that they noticed that. I was like, trained them well. So basically every night of the Eras Tour.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Everything happens with a reason. Taylor's a planner. She's not just a random orange door.

• 1:33:00Speaker 03

  Eggs everywhere.

• 1:33:01Speaker 02

  Just eggs everywhere.

• 1:33:01Speaker 03

  What's happening there? Why is, why, and why? Anyway, so I, I would leave the stage every night going down the elevator lift. That's how every single Eras show ended, except for one, except for the last one, where I exited through a door, an orange door, to be specific. And, um, that actually was an Easter egg. Basically, the reason why I chose to exit that way is because I kind of wanted to give a little subliminal hint to the fans that I may be leaving the Eras Tour era, but I was also entering.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  A new era.

• 1:33:38Speaker 03

  A new.

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• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  Orange.

• 1:34:11Speaker 03

  Uh, so I wanted to show you something.

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  Okay. What do we got?

• 1:34:15Speaker 03

  We got, uh,

• 1:34:17Speaker 02

  A briefcase.

• 1:34:18Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  Mint green with TS on it.

• 1:34:21Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:34:21Speaker 02

  What's in it?

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  This is my brand new album.

• 1:34:31Travis Kelce?

  We got TS12, baby.

• 1:34:33Speaker 03

  This is my brand new album. It's called The Life of a Showgirl.

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 1:34:38Speaker 03

  It was something that I was working on while I was in Europe on the Eras tour.

• 1:34:43Speaker 02

  So while you were on tour?

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  I was working, I would be on tour.

• 1:34:46Travis Kelce?

  How on earth did she do this on the tour is still blowing my mind.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  I just love it. I just love it a lot. I love music. Um, I would be playing shows. I'd do like three shows in a row. I'd have three days off. I'd fly to Sweden, go back to the tour and actually like working on this. I was physically exhausted at this point in the tour, but I was so mentally stimulated and so excited to be creating. And this is.

• 1:35:12Travis Kelce?

  And literally living the life of a showgirl.

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  I was, I was.

• 1:35:16Travis Kelce?

  While she wrote it.

• 1:35:17Speaker 03

  That's why I said, that's why I called it that. Nailed it. So, um, do you want to see the back cover?

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  I would love to see all of it. Yes.

• 1:35:24Speaker 03

  The back cover is where we find the 12 tracks for my 12.

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  12 tracks.

• 1:35:28Travis Kelce?

  Bangers.

• 1:35:29Speaker 03

  So this is, so we got all.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  What are they?

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  So we got track one, The Fate of Ophelia.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:35:37Speaker 03

  Track two.

• 1:35:38Travis Kelce?

  Okay, go ahead. I was gonna say, dude, you know a fate of Ophelia? I just, I.

• 1:35:44Speaker 02

  Hamlet?

• 1:35:44Travis Kelce?

  I don't want to get Jason all riled up. So let's, we can just go through the track.

• 1:35:47Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, yeah.

• 1:35:49Speaker 03

  Track two, Elizabeth Taylor.

• 1:35:51Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:35:52Travis Kelce?

  You know who Elizabeth Taylor is?

• 1:35:54Speaker 03

  You better.

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  I'm just kind of following, just kind of following along.

• 1:35:57Travis Kelce?

  All right, all right, all right.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Track three, Opalite.

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Opalite.

• 1:36:01Travis Kelce?

  You know what Opalite is, Jason?

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  Why, can we stop asking me?

• 1:36:04Travis Kelce?

  Okay, I'm done.

• 1:36:06Speaker 03

  He's like, I hate this.

• 1:36:08Travis Kelce?

  I know a lot about this album and I'm excited.

• 1:36:13Speaker 03

  Track four, Father Figure.

• 1:36:15Speaker 02

  Father Figure.

• 1:36:16Speaker 03

  Track five, eldest daughter.

• 1:36:20Speaker 03

  Track six, Ruin the Friendship. Track seven, Actually Romantic.

• 1:36:27Speaker 02

  Actually Romantic?

• 1:36:29Speaker 03

  Track eight, Wish List with two dollar signs as the S's. Just wanted to point that out. Dramatical flourish. Track nine, Wood.

• 1:36:40Speaker 02

  Wood? Nice!

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  Track 10, Cancelled, but it's in all caps with an exclamation point at the end.

• 1:36:49Travis Kelce?

  It's a banger.

• 1:36:50Speaker 03

  Track 11, Honey.

• 1:36:52Speaker 02

  Honey?

• 1:36:53Speaker 03

  And, can you do drumroll? Last track, Track 12, the title track, The Life of a Showgirl, featuring Sabrina Carpenter.

• 1:37:05Speaker 02

  Sabrina Carpenter!

• 1:37:10Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:37:11Speaker 03

  So that's that.

• 1:37:12Speaker 02

  Look at this!

• 1:37:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so then we've got...

• 1:37:14Travis Kelce?

  That is a showgirl.

• 1:37:15Speaker 03

  We've got this orange vinyl here.

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  And it's orange!

• 1:37:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is. And sparkly.

• 1:37:21Travis Kelce?

  Entering a new era.

• 1:37:22Speaker 03

  Look how sparkly.

• 1:37:24Travis Kelce?

  It's very nice.

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  So what is the significance of the color orange? Why orange?

• 1:37:30Speaker 03

  I've just always liked it, Jason. It really, it really feels like, I don't know, it feels like, it feels like kind of energetically how my life has felt. And this album is about what was going on behind the scenes in my inner life during this tour, which was so exuberant and electric and vibrant. And, you know, one of the things about this record is like, it's a, it's a record I made with my mentor, Max Martin and Shellback. And this, the three of us have made some of my favorite songs that I've ever done before.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  Which ones, if you don't mind me asking?

• 1:38:05Speaker 03

  Well, they were my main collaborators on the Red album. We did We Are Never Getting Back Together, I Knew You Were Trouble, 22, Shake It Off, Blank Space, Style, Wildest Dreams.

• 1:38:16Speaker 02

  Oh, hell yes.

• 1:38:18Speaker 03

  You know, Ready For It.

• 1:38:20Travis Kelce?

  So that's the, that's the energy we're going with, yes. I understand why it's orange now, okay?

• 1:38:24Speaker 03

  So, yeah, we've made, we've made songs that I'm so proud of.

• 1:38:27Speaker 02

  There's gonna be some fucking bangers, yes, I'm picking it up.

• 1:38:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's like that.

• 1:38:32Travis Kelce?

  I'm telling you, it's 12.

• 1:38:32Speaker 03

  It's like that. And so basically, we've never actually made an album before where there, where it's just the three of us. There's no other collaborators, it's just the three of us making... A focused album where, I mean, it felt like, it felt like catching lightning in a bottle, honestly. We hadn't worked together in like seven or eight years and

• 1:38:51Travis Kelce?

  This feeds, this feeds.

• 1:38:53Speaker 03

  They're just, they're just, they're just something, there's something about them. These guys, they like, they're just geniuses in, in, in different avenues, in different ways. And we kind of,

• 1:39:06Speaker 03

  I'm gonna put it down. I'm just, I've just never, like, this, today's the first day I've seen it. Do you know what I mean? I'm just like, ah, Travis is just gonna cradle it the whole time.

• 1:39:16Travis Kelce?

  Don't drop the baby. I will not drop this baby.

• 1:39:19Speaker 03

  So it's like, uh, working with them again was absolutely incredible. And actually, when I was on tour in Stockholm, I had Max Martin come out to the show and I was talking to him and I was like, I, I just feel like, I feel like we could just knock it out of the park if we went back in and we did this all in Sweden and it was just us three. Like, I wanna, I essentially said to him, I wanna be as proud of, of an album as I am of the Eras Tour and for the same reasons, you know? And, and he was like, do you understand what kind of pressure that is?

• 1:39:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I was about to say, that is, okay.

• 1:39:52Speaker 03

  I was like, yeah.

• 1:39:53Travis Kelce?

  Why would you, yeah, we can try. Your entire career? Got it. Yeah, we can do that in one album.

• 1:40:00Travis Kelce?

  Well, okay.

• 1:40:01Speaker 03

  So it's like, you know, I, I spent time in the time that we were off doing different projects and he and Shellback were doing different things and I was making albums that were a little bit more esoteric, like folklore.

• 1:40:17Speaker 03

  You know what esoteric means?

• 1:40:18Travis Kelce?

  I know, it's for a specific following.

• 1:40:20Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly.

• 1:40:21Travis Kelce?

  Wait, what?

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  He, he knows what that means. He pretends he doesn't know what these words mean, but he knows what they mean.

• 1:40:26Travis Kelce?

  Means for a specific following, like a specific genre of people.

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  He knows what it means.

• 1:40:31Travis Kelce?

  Okay.

• 1:40:31Speaker 03

  He's doing, he does like, he does like a pretty, I don't know what it means thing, but he knows all the words and he knows what they mean. And he may not have read Hamlet, but I explained it to him.

• 1:40:39Travis Kelce?

  Okay, there we go. Don't tell my middle school English teacher I didn't read Hamlet.

• 1:40:47Travis Kelce?

  Because I definitely was supposed to.

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  Spark notes.

• 1:40:51Travis Kelce?

  It's all right. I watched the Lion King.

• 1:40:54Speaker 03

  See, he knows what Hamlet is.

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  Wait, Lion King is based off a Hamlet?

• 1:40:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:41:00Travis Kelce?

  Jason, your Reddit searches need to be more focused on relevant things.

• 1:41:05Speaker 03

  We need to get, we need to get, we need your relationship with the internet to be like a little bit pure.

• 1:41:09Travis Kelce?

  Don't, I got the algorithm. I got the algorithm.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  My relationship with the internet is bad. It is about as bad as it can get.

• 1:41:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 1:41:19Speaker 03

  No, you're fine. So I was like, I made a few records that were a bit more like specific in their sound or whatever, like Folklore, Evermore. Those were a little bit more like alt folk kind of leaning and just kind of exploring and trying to challenge myself as a writer. And I feel like both Max and Shellback did that too, in their own ways, going out into the world. And when we, by the time we came back together, I feel like we had so much more dexterity to what we do. And it's almost like we'd all grown up so much, like Shellback and I were both in our early twenties when we started working together, the three of us. And so it was very much like we were the ingenues and Max was the mentor. And this was the time where it felt like all three of us in the room were carrying the same weight as creators.

• 1:42:02Speaker 03

  And it was really special. It like meant the world to me to have this creative experience where like we knew that we had to bring the best ideas we've ever had.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:13Speaker 03

  And I know, I also know the pressure I'm putting on this record by saying that, but I don't care because I love it that much. And I'm so proud of it. And it just comes from like the most infectiously joyful, wild, dramatic place I was in, in my life. And so that effervescence has come through on this record. And like, as you said, bangers. And

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  Bangers.

• 1:42:39Speaker 03

  And we were just like, there's no other songs coming. It's not like, like with Torture Poets Department, I was like, here's a data dump of everything I've thought, felt

• 1:42:48Speaker 02

  There's a lot of songs on that one.

• 1:42:49Speaker 03

  in two or three years. So here's 31 songs. This is 12. There's not a 13th. There's not a 14th. There's not other ones coming. This is the record I've been wanting to make for a very long time.

• 1:43:00Speaker 02

  I love it. I love this so much. Can we, so where do we start? I don't know where to start. You gave us a lot of information right there.

• 1:43:05Speaker 03

  I know. We didn't tell Jason that this, that we were doing this. I just said like, can I go on the podcast? Cause Brad Pitt did it and I want to do it too.

• 1:43:15Travis Kelce?

  Jason was like, yes, I mean, we can make that happen.

• 1:43:16Speaker 03

  That seems like a valid reason.

• 1:43:17Travis Kelce?

  The request or the ask from either one of us was never going to come. I don't know why I would never ask you. I just, I, I, I don't know. Yeah. Brandon still hates me because I never asked you, but I think this is way better.

• 1:43:30Speaker 03

  We waited till I had some stuff to say, I think.

• 1:43:32Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 1:43:33Speaker 03

  You know, I had to, I was waiting till I had like a sparkly briefcase to bring. I needed props. It took a long time to put that in production.

• 1:43:41Travis Kelce?

  So, well, it is finished. And do you want to tell everybody when it's coming out?

• 1:43:47Speaker 03

  It comes out October 3rd.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  October 3rd.

• 1:43:50Speaker 03

  This album comes out October 3rd. It's easy to remember. It's 10-3.

• 1:43:55Speaker 02

  10-3.

• 1:43:56Speaker 03

  Still annoying. It is also your birthday week.

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  We got Wyatt, October 2nd. We got you, October 5th. And then we got mom, October 9th. So this is a good, this is a good month.

• 1:44:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I picked a good month.

• 1:44:07Travis Kelce?

  It's gonna be a good week.

• 1:44:08Speaker 03

  You know, all these Libras out here.

• 1:44:12Speaker 02

  10-3, 13.

• 1:44:13Speaker 03

  The Opal Burst Stone.

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  I'm picking up this numerology. There we go.

• 1:44:15Travis Kelce?

  There we go. See, I knew you.

• 1:44:18Speaker 03

  Never not annoying. Always gonna, always gonna try to force a 13 into the situation. And, and this one was right there. It was just right there. For the photos, there's a lot more, there are a lot more photos in this and there's, there's a poem in this and basically I love the photography so much that I don't want to show it right now because I want to keep some mystery going.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 1:44:40Speaker 03

  Because that's, you know, just fun to have things to still discover.

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:44Speaker 03

  But the photos are done by Merton Marcus, who are two of my favorite photographers. The last time I, and the only time I worked with them for an album cover shoot was with Reputation, with that album. And I loved what they did with those photos. So I called them up for this one and I'm so happy with the way that the photos came out for this one. And it just basically was like, I was so proud of the music and so excited about this project from a creative standpoint, that I was just like, all hands on deck, we're going all out. This is a full send. Like, I care about this record more than I can even overstate.

• 1:45:18Travis Kelce?

  It's so much fun. And it, I mean, I understand what she's saying. And obviously, I've, I've been fortunate enough to hear every single song on here. So I know they're all 12 bangers. It's a lot more upbeat and it's a lot more like fun pop, like excitement. And I think that's, that's a completely like, I think it's a complete 180 from a lot of the songs on Torture Poets, for sure.

• 1:45:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:45:42Travis Kelce?

  And, and this is-

• 1:45:43Speaker 03

  Life is more upbeat.

• 1:45:45Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I was about to say. It probably, do you find that your albums mimic everything that's happening in your personal life?

• 1:45:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:45:53Speaker 02

  Your genres that you've done are like so wide spanning between like country, pop, and then like it can get, I don't even know, Torture Poets was like so cathartic, it felt like, for you probably to write those songs and to release all that.

• 1:46:08Speaker 03

  Definitely. And it was like, I have different goals with different albums. And Torture Poets Department, my goals were strictly lyrical. Like, I, and I, I love that-

• 1:46:19Travis Kelce?

  It felt like every song was a poem.

• 1:46:20Speaker 03

  Oh, I, yeah. And I love that album so much from that perspective. That was strictly what I was trying to accomplish there was just really a full catharsis. And I loved to embrace the mess of, of writing from that perspective, of the rawness of that. This, I have a totally different set of goals. I always try to do something completely different. If that's what I'm feeling at the moment. And I was feeling a complete pivot at this point in time. And I wanted the album to feel the way my life felt. And this completely matches the way that my life has felt.

• 1:46:56Speaker 03

  And I, I also wanted it to be just, every single song is on this album for hundreds of reasons. You know, and, and, and you couldn't take one out and it be the same album. You couldn't add one and it be, it's just right. And that focus and that kind of discipline with creating an album and keeping the bar really high is something I've been wanting to do for a very long time. I tend to love to write lots and lots of music. So it's a temptation to release lots of music.

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:47:28Speaker 03

  I wanted to do an album that was so focused on quality and on the theme and everything fitting together like a perfect puzzle.

• 1:47:38Speaker 03

  That these 12 songs for my 12th album, it just, I feel like we achieved that and I'm really happy about that.

• 1:47:44Speaker 02

  So you you mentioned a couple of things there. First, what is the theme of the album? If you would describe it as one like theme, if that's possible.

• 1:47:53Speaker 03

  I would say it's everything that was going on behind the curtain.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  Okay. And then what are the goals? You said something like there, what would be like your main goals with this album?

• 1:48:02Speaker 03

  My main goals were melodies that were so infectious that you're almost angry at it. And lyrics that are just as vivid, but crisp and focused and and completely intentional.

• 1:48:19Travis Kelce?

  Check.

• 1:48:20Speaker 03

  So it's like, I feel like we actually came together in a really beautiful way. The three of us, Shellback, Max and I, where we had a conversation about how Max was like, I loved folklore. I loved the storytelling on folklore. I don't want that to change. Like, just because we're making these like, these infectious anthems, like, I don't want you to leave that behind. And I was like, I don't think I I couldn't if I tried. So at this point, I'm.

• 1:48:50Speaker 02

  I got some stuff to say.

• 1:48:51Speaker 03

  I'm married to that kind of writing, you know? And so it was really amazing that we were able to, without doing too much overthinking, we were able to get in there. And it was just ideas flying and all of these ideas were like, we've been waiting years to come back together and make this project.

• 1:49:12Travis Kelce?

  You are going to move.

• 1:49:14Speaker 02

  Do I have to wait till October 3rd? Do I have to wait till October 3rd?

• 1:49:18Travis Kelce?

  Yes, you do, Jason.

• 1:49:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. This is unfair. We don't, we don't trust you at all.

• 1:49:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, honestly, smart.

• 1:49:26Speaker 02

  I completely get it. Completely get it. The artwork, how do you settle on a a front piece of like artwork for an album?

• 1:49:33Speaker 03

  This represents the end of my night.

• 1:49:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:49:35Speaker 03

  Right? So like. When I'm on tour, I have the same day every single day. It's another reason why we have a very similar life. His show, his game days are the same days every day. My, his practice days are the same every day. His meetings is scheduled. My show days are the same every single day. I just happen to be in a different city. And my day ends with me in a bathtub, not usually in a bedazzled dress.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  Sure. Well, it's gotta be, it's on the front of it.

• 1:50:03Speaker 03

  We try to keep it decent, you know?

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:05Speaker 03

  I wanted to sort of like glamorize all the different aspects of how that tour felt. And that's how that felt to like be at the end of the night when all this has gone down. You won't be able to get to bed till four in the morning after this, but you had to jump through 50 million hoops in this obstacle course that is your show. And you did it. You got two more in a row, but you did it tonight.

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  That's all that matters.

• 1:50:36Speaker 03

  And the reason I wanted to have a sort of like an offstage moment as the, the main album cover is because this album isn't really about what happened to me onstage. It's about what I was going through offstage. So it's like, it's, you know, I didn't want to have like the lights are bright, I'm on the stage is the main album cover. It's just this, this to me tells more of what the actual content, contents lyrically of the album are.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:51:04Speaker 03

  Which is the, the life, the life.

• 1:51:06Speaker 02

  The life of the showgirl, not

• 1:51:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:08Speaker 02

  what you're seeing. It's the life.

• 1:51:11Speaker 03

  It's the life behind it all. It's the life beyond, beyond the show.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:51:17Travis Kelce?

  Which is fascinating.

• 1:51:18Speaker 02

  Travis, I'm very jealous, very jealous that you've heard these songs.

• 1:51:22Travis Kelce?

  As you should be, Jason. As you should be.

• 1:51:25Speaker 02

  I think it's very fitting that it's orange. I mean, it looks like a giant sun. Pull that thing out again. Like the, it feels like it's going to be full of energy, like the record itself.

• 1:51:34Travis Kelce?

  You have no idea, Jason.

• 1:51:35Speaker 02

  All right. Look at that thing.

• 1:51:39Speaker 02

  That is awesome. That is so cool. Very cool. All right. Well, congratulations, Taylor.

• 1:51:45Travis Kelce?

  Thank you.

• 1:51:46Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 1:51:47Speaker 02

  Everyone, you heard it here first. You have heard it here first. October 3rd is the release date of the TS 12, The Life of a Showgirl.

• 1:51:59Travis Kelce?

  12 bangers.

• 1:52:00Speaker 02

  Congratulations, Taylor. I know you've been working on this for a long time.

• 1:52:03Travis Kelce?

  You're gonna be moving the entire.

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  Thank you so much. You can pre-order it now.

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  You can pre-order it now? There we go.

• 1:52:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, on my website.

• 1:52:09Speaker 02

  Okay, I'll be right back, guys.

• 1:52:12Speaker 02

  You heard it here first, folks. The Life of a Showgirl is available now. You can pre-order it. And the official release date is 10/3. That's October 3rd.

• 1:52:22Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  All righty. We are gonna move to, we gotta ask. You don't have to answer. Taylor, I know you're familiar with this segment, but for anybody listening, this is a segment we often get to where our guests, we're gonna ask a bunch of rapid fire questions. They are not obligated to answer. Matter of fact, they are free to tell us to fuck off if they so choose.

• 1:52:43Speaker 03

  Okay, cool.

• 1:52:44Travis Kelce?

  If you so choose.

• 1:52:45Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:52:46Travis Kelce?

  All right, now, how do you feel about Jason telling his kids the cats are poisonous?

• 1:52:50Speaker 03

  Um, it was actually really a great challenge because as soon as I got the kids around the cats, it was my, um, goal to prove to them that they weren't poisonous. And there's no better way to prove that than to just hand them Benjamin, my rival cat, who lets humans hold him like he's a baby. And I mean, like, my favorite thing ever is just like when Benny will come up to me and just go, "I find Benjamin. I find him." And she's just like over there, just like laying with him and petting him and holding him. And they're, the cats are so good with kids. They're like drag, they're just like, there's like, "Meredith is here." I'm like, "Yeah, and you know what? She didn't bite you at all, did she?"

• 1:53:33Travis Kelce?

  No, she didn't.

• 1:53:34Speaker 03

  And if she did bite you, she wouldn't be poisonous. They're like, "That's not what our dad said." I'm like, "Well, I heard you're getting a cat."

• 1:53:42Travis Kelce?

  Ooh.

• 1:53:43Speaker 03

  I heard this from a very well-placed source.

• 1:53:46Speaker 02

  I will neither confirm nor deny. We'll see if that does get to that.

• 1:53:51Speaker 03

  You're getting like a cat that chases mice. What I have are not that.

• 1:53:55Speaker 02

  Yes, I think there's.

• 1:53:57Speaker 03

  They sit around.

• 1:53:58Speaker 02

  There's a chance I have.

• 1:53:59Travis Kelce?

  There's a happy medium.

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  There's a chance I've been talked into a barn cat. That does not go inside that will survive, survive off of rodents in the field.

• 1:54:11Speaker 03

  Those girls are gonna be sneaking that cat into their beds.

• 1:54:14Travis Kelce?

  There's no way that cat is gonna live outside.

• 1:54:17Speaker 02

  This is why I lie to my kids, though, is to, I want them to be able to be critical thinkers. They need to realize it's absurd to think this. And you handing them Benjamin and then real, and then walking them through critical thinking ability.

• 1:54:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  Now, all of a sudden, they won't believe something that every moron tells them on the internet, right?

• 1:54:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was really like, I know it wasn't helpful for you, but it really, like, it was helpful for me.

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  My allergies are gonna be in severe, um.

• 1:54:45Speaker 03

  I think you have, I don't even know if the allergies are a thing, Jason. I think you just dislike the cat.

• 1:54:50Speaker 02

  I've had an allergy test.

• 1:54:51Travis Kelce?

  They tell you everything.

• 1:54:53Speaker 03

  Allegedly. I'd like to see a copy of it.

• 1:54:55Speaker 02

  Fair enough.

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  I think that you just like, maybe don't like.

• 1:55:00Speaker 02

  I don't, I mean, I, I think some cats I get down with. I always liked Flash growing up, the cat that we had.

• 1:55:07Speaker 03

  What did you think of, what did you think of my three cats, my three perfect little angels?

• 1:55:11Speaker 02

  The only one that would go near me was Benjamin.

• 1:55:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, cuz the other two consents that you had resting cat hatred.

• 1:55:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, that might be it. Alright, if you had to choose to bake one thing to show off your baking skills, what would you choose?

• 1:55:25Speaker 03

  Oh, right now, it would be my cinnamon swirl sourdough.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  Cinnamon swirl sourdough? I thought you were gonna go Pop-Tarts.

• 1:55:33Speaker 03

  Pop-Tarts, Pop-Tarts, it depends on who I'm baking for, the Pop-Tarts. God, I just love making pop music and Pop-Tarts. I love it.

• 1:55:40Speaker 02

  I didn't even put those two together, but that makes a ton of sense.

• 1:55:43Speaker 03

  Been really experimenting with the flavors there because we got now wild blueberry, raspberry, strawberry, the original. And Kylie got me baking the cinnamon sugar.

• 1:55:55Speaker 02

  You're, you're doing that now?

• 1:55:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:55:57Speaker 02

  Well, if I may, we need an orange Pop-Tart now. We need, what's a?

• 1:56:02Speaker 03

  I mean, I'll do it if you really want me to, like, with like a marmalade, like an orange marmalade in the middle and then the orange extract.

• 1:56:09Speaker 02

  Paddington Bear, little Paddington Bear.

• 1:56:12Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  No, I can get, I can get with this. I just didn't see the vision until now. And now I think it's kind of genius.

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  You've ruined Pop-Tarts outside of yours, just so you know.

• 1:56:23Speaker 03

  Thank you. Thank you so much.

• 1:56:26Speaker 02

  So now I gotta try the cinnamon swirl sourdough, though. If you're putting that above Pop-Tarts.

• 1:56:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna send some over.

• 1:56:32Travis Kelce?

  It's a banger.

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  Perfect. All right. There's rumor that you played the bear in Happy Gilmore 2 in the scene where Travis has Bunny put on him.

• 1:56:40Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:56:41Speaker 02

  Or deny this rumor?

• 1:56:43Speaker 03

  I can deny, like, this is, this is one of those ones where, like, we'll send it to each other and be like, hey, did you hear I was the bear? And there he's like, yeah, you hear we bought a house in Lake Como? It's, we're just sort of like, at this point, we're just like, of course, they think I'm inside of a bear costume. Like, I'm honored to be thought of in that context, because I loved that movie so much. I watched it multiple times. Loved it so much. Whoever did the bear acting was exquisite. Exquisite performance.

• 1:57:13Speaker 02

  Bad Bunny and the bear killed that scene.

• 1:57:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, Bad Bunny, he absolutely delighted me in that movie.

• 1:57:20Speaker 02

  He was so good.

• 1:57:21Travis Kelce?

  Would you like a breadstick?

• 1:57:22Speaker 03

  Amazing. His comedic timing is so good. There's this one part where they look over, where they're like, who did that? And like, his name is Oscar, his character's name is Oscar in it, right? And it's like, his brother gets hit by the golf ball, and they look over and they're like, who did that? Who did that? And they do, there's a face that Bad Bunny makes, and they do the kind of, the like, the quick pan in the zoom. And it was just, I was like, who thought of that? How did they know he could be that? I was, I watched it five times.

• 1:57:54Travis Kelce?

  Benito kills it. He absolutely kills it.

• 1:57:56Speaker 03

  He's so funny. He's so good.

• 1:57:58Travis Kelce?

  Sushi, no!

• 1:58:00Speaker 03

  I felt so much for this character. I'm so excited to go to his restaurant. Like, I thought this was a real man. I believed this.

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  Whose idea was arriving to the Eras Tour stage via a cleaning cart?

• 1:58:13Speaker 03

  Mine. That's a weird idea that I, that's my type of weird idea.

• 1:58:16Speaker 02

  Where did that come from?

• 1:58:17Speaker 03

  Well, when you're putting on a first show of a tour like that, you're not just performing for the entire stadium, you're performing for the entire internet. And so I wanted to curate and really romanticize the images that they were seeing first. So I didn't want them to see my first outfit and my first look. Um, which would have given away what the first era was before bef, you know, when I'm walking up the ramp behind the stage, there's all these fans that are seated behind the stage and at, at certain angles that where they would have been able to film it. I didn't want that to be the first thing people saw from the era's tour. I wanted it to be the huge lover motif and they're surprised and delighted by the fact that lovers, the first era we're doing and they have, that's the first time they've seen

• 1:59:01Speaker 03

  that Versace bodysuit all lit up like, like the, once the lights hit that thing, it's just like, oh, I love that outfit so much. And so it was really about preserving kind of like the sanctity of a surprise moment. Right. So I kind of thought I might only do it for night one and then I just got attached to it. I was like, I just, I find this fun.

• 1:59:20Travis Kelce?

  It's the perfect intro. It really is.

• 1:59:21Speaker 03

  There's a like weird little side of me that likes sneaking around and I think the fans found it funny too. They're like, what a weirdo. We've come to see a weirdo in concert. Why is she doing that? I was, I don't know. Why did I make it look like a mop cart? I don't know. There's just like so like, if you can't have fun with the hijinks of this thing, there's enough stress that goes into this. If you can't get joy from silly little things like the mop cart, man.

• 1:59:50Travis Kelce?

  You need to live a little.

• 1:59:51Speaker 03

  You're doing it wrong. Live a little.

• 1:59:53Travis Kelce?

  Listen up.

• 1:59:54Speaker 03

  Get into a fake mop cart. Everyone knows you're in there, but you're in there like, I'm sneaking around. Nobody knows I'm in here. Everyone knows you're in there.

• 2:00:04Speaker 03

  Well, it's like, it's one of those things like I work so hard to try to surprise fans and they're like, I don't want to be surprised. Sometimes they, they really don't think they want to be surprised. They want to figure stuff out.

• 2:00:14Travis Kelce?

  No, they do.

• 2:00:15Speaker 03

  But then I know, I know that when I can really get them and surprise them, that it was, it was, it was so worth it. Cause that's what entertainment is really. It's just giving people something to escape, to sink their teeth into, to, to like, we're world building, you know? That's what the whole tour was. Hopefully people never thought that we'd go on this podcast and announce an album. Like I was hoping that that's something that, that the fans would be like, that's from left field. Like if we accomplish that, then that's.

• 2:00:44Travis Kelce?

  She went on with those two idiots to release this?

• 2:00:49Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, things are really getting dark for Taylor.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  All right. We ask all of our guests this.

• 2:00:55Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

• 2:00:56Speaker 02

  Who, what is your welcome to the NFL moment?

• 2:00:58Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, I'd say it was the first time I stepped on the field, which would have been when you won the AFC Championship.

• 2:01:07Travis Kelce?

  Baltimore.

• 2:01:08Speaker 03

  The first season that I was with you and it was in Baltimore. And we're in the suite and he's just won the AFC Championship. We're freaking out, everybody's screaming and his mom goes, all right, let's go down to the field. And I was like, what we're doing, what are we, what do you mean?

• 2:01:25Travis Kelce?

  What are you talking about?

• 2:01:25Speaker 03

  We're going, why, we're going where? And she's like, we're going down to the field. And I was like, did he say that that's okay? Like, I, because we hadn't talked about this, there was no like, there was no like, hey, if I win this game.

• 2:01:37Travis Kelce?

  I didn't want to jinx it.

• 2:01:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't jinx anything, which I respect, actually, like, I'm all about that.

• 2:01:44Speaker 03

  But we hadn't had a conversation about it. So I'm like, is he gonna be like, what, what are you doing down here, dude?

• 2:01:51Travis Kelce?

  No, it was mama knows best. Mama knows best. She knew I wanted you down there.

• 2:01:54Speaker 03

  So she was like, he, trust me, he wants you there. And I was like, okay, well, she, she would know. And so I'm walking out onto this field and it's just like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, this is, it's so, there's so many lights.

• 2:02:11Speaker 02

  We're going to the Super Bowl!

• 2:02:12Speaker 03

  I've never seen this many cameras. I've never seen, I was like, I've never seen this much media in my life and I've seen a lot of media.

• 2:02:20Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:20Speaker 03

  And then the media sees me and they're like, ah, and then they just start running at me. And I'm looking at you and you're, and then you're screaming into the mic. Because when there's a mic and there's Travis, like, he physically needs to scream into it.

• 2:02:34Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:02:36Speaker 02

  All right, okay.

• 2:02:37Speaker 03

  That's like, I just, so basically I'm experiencing this whole heightened scenario that I had no idea five minutes before I was going to be experiencing. And it was, it's one of my most cherished memories because I was so proud of you and.

• 2:02:49Travis Kelce?

  I was so proud that you came down there to enjoy that moment.

• 2:02:51Speaker 03

  It was so magical. It was so fun. It's like crazy. It's crazy to to get to see someone you love work that hard and then have that kind of like euphoric payoff where you're like,

• 2:03:03Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 2:03:03Speaker 03

  You did it like you did it underlined a hundred times. You did like you did it.

• 2:03:09Speaker 02

  Human exclamation point.

• 2:03:11Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 2:03:15Speaker 03

  That's crazy. Like, yeah, I had such a great rookie year. It was crazy.

• 2:03:20Speaker 02

  It was a great year. What is your welcome to like, I don't know if it's like singer, like, like being a pop star, being a performer. Yeah. What is your welcome to the industry moment in in that regard?

• 2:03:32Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Um, man, I never really.

• 2:03:40Speaker 03

  I actually never really allowed myself to feel like the you've arrived thing.

• 2:03:43Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:03:44Speaker 03

  I've just now started to be able to really be in a moment when I'm in the moment. That's why I'm so glad that the Eras Tour happened when I'm an adult because I was able to completely and totally soak in these moments. While I'm planning, obviously, what I'm doing next in the show, but like when I'm at the end of that show and I'm standing there taking it in, that's me 100% present. But, you know, starting to do this when I was putting out my first album, I was like 16, I was always on to the next plan. And that I get joy in planning. So it's not like I wasn't happy with that. But I never allowed myself to say, you've arrived, you've made it. I was always like, how are you getting, how are you going

• 2:04:25Speaker 03

  to get to make the next project? And it was all about, it was all about the, the higher I climbed, the more creative control I had and the more fun I had making stuff, right?

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. So it was not the like, the altitude I was reaching, there was more pressure every step of the way, but I was getting more creative control and freedom every time. And I, and that is why it felt so much more special to keep working harder to get to new levels. It's not like, oh, like, I can afford to buy this or whatever, like it, not to discount that. But for me, every time I got higher up on a new rung of the ladder, I could make stuff in a more focused and free and autonomous way.

• 2:05:05Speaker 02

  What else would you want as an artist?

• 2:05:06Speaker 03

  I never really let myself be like, I've made it. But the Eras Tour, I was like, oh, this is different. Like, this is not, this is nothing like what I've ever experienced before. It was so much better than everything I've ever experienced before.

• 2:05:21Travis Kelce?

  Literally while she's doing that, she's still creating the next thing.

• 2:05:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:25Speaker 02

  That's what's crazy to me.

• 2:05:26Speaker 03

  I love it. I love.

• 2:05:28Speaker 02

  Live show Sweden, live show Sweden, live show Sweden. Yeah.

• 2:05:31Speaker 03

  It's, no, I adore what I do. I absolutely love it. And I love then taking the songs and writing a treatment for a music video and directing the music video. Like, all of the things that I get to do now, I'm so grateful for the ability to create. Like, that's still what drives all of it.

• 2:05:47Travis Kelce?

  Well, Swifties appreciate your dedication.

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  We are very grateful for this as well.

• 2:05:52Speaker 03

  Thanks, guys.

• 2:05:54Speaker 02

  Alrighty. Do you have any questions for us? We're kind of out of the questions for this section. Is there anything you wanted to ask Travis or I? I mean, you have a

• 2:06:02Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah.

• 2:06:03Speaker 02

  You put Travis on the spot right now.

• 2:06:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:05Speaker 03

  I know. Well, I, I don't know. I was wondering how that wax is growing in. Like, oh my god. Because I haven't talked to you in a couple of weeks about it. And I just feel like it's really important for you to like, make sure that those hairs don't grow.

• 2:06:18Travis Kelce?

  Getting a little itchy, bud?

• 2:06:20Speaker 02

  No, it's fine. It's doing good.

• 2:06:21Speaker 03

  When you go, like, when you go from fur to no fur at all.

• 2:06:26Travis Kelce?

  And you can wear us, because we got some thick hair.

• 2:06:28Speaker 03

  It's like important to figure out, like, I mean, just, don't tell us too much. Are we, how, how are we doing?

• 2:06:36Speaker 02

  We're doing good. We're doing good.

• 2:06:37Speaker 03

  We're managing it?

• 2:06:38Speaker 02

  We're, we're not managing it. That's what, how we're managing it is we're not managing it.

• 2:06:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  Um, it's, uh, fortunate for me, my hair grows fast.

• 2:06:47Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:06:48Speaker 02

  It's coarse. It's got a texture that, uh, was difficult for about a couple of weeks. Very itchy.

• 2:06:54Speaker 03

  Yep. That's what I thought.

• 2:06:56Speaker 02

  We've passed that phase now. And, um,

• 2:06:59Speaker 03

  Are we gonna do it again, do you think?

• 2:07:01Speaker 02

  I don't think so. And I, listen, shout out to the people in downtown Philadelphia. They did a great job.

• 2:07:05Travis Kelce?

  European wax.

• 2:07:07Speaker 02

  I'm not, I don't think it's going to be a recurring bit.

• 2:07:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was the best it could have been.

• 2:07:13Speaker 02

  I also don't think I'm gonna find myself in a Speedo again.

• 2:07:16Travis Kelce?

  Jason walked into a door that said, "European wax."

• 2:07:22Speaker 02

  And was treated with the utmost respect in class.

• 2:07:24Speaker 03

  He had to try it.

• 2:07:27Speaker 03

  That's life, you know, it feels, it feels important that you did it. Um, and also it's cause now you know.

• 2:07:33Speaker 02

  Cause now you know. I, I know what.

• 2:07:35Speaker 03

  I always say that after, after I, I make unfortunate, uh, just judgment calls.

• 2:07:41Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:07:41Speaker 03

  Well, now I know.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  Now I know.

• 2:07:43Speaker 03

  Had to try it.

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  The one thing I didn't try was.

• 2:07:48Speaker 03

  Wasn't great. Wouldn't do it again.

• 2:07:50Speaker 02

  Yep. Yep.

• 2:07:52Speaker 03

  And on that note.

• 2:07:53Speaker 02

  Now you know.

• 2:08:00Speaker 02

  Tay, thank you so much for hopping on. Oh my gosh. All right. Thank you so much for hopping on. You are the best. This has been a blast. Uh, I think Kylie enjoyed being the number one most viewed episode for her time that she had. This is.

• 2:08:15Travis Kelce?

  Don't you do that to Kylie.

• 2:08:16Speaker 03

  Don't do that.

• 2:08:17Travis Kelce?

  Don't you do that to Kylie.

• 2:08:18Speaker 03

  You guys throw Kylie under the bus, you're gonna pay for it.

• 2:08:22Travis Kelce?

  Wyatt and Elliot are already doing it.

• 2:08:24Speaker 03

  You'll find out.

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  That's right. And that's a wrap folks on another episode of New Heights. Thank you to our guest Taylor Swift for joining us on the show.

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  Life of a showgirl comes out October 3rd. Preorder is now available on taylorswift.com. Reminder, New Heights will be back to kick off the NFL season, August 27th. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights in the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 2:08:56Travis Kelce?

  All right. Now, once again, New Heights, a Wondery show. Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S. And thanks to our production and crew always for your, uh, your editing skills and making us look entirely better than what we are. Uh, Taylor got to see this firsthand, actually.

• 2:09:11Speaker 03

  Thanks guys. It's been great.

• 2:09:12Travis Kelce?

  And to the 92 percenters and to the Swifties, we love you guys. We'll see you guys next time.

• 2:09:16Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 2:09:17Speaker 02

  Peace.

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  Alright, I don't know how to, where to go from here.

• 2:09:31Speaker 03

  I like.

• 2:09:34Speaker 03

  There was confetti all over.

• 2:09:39Speaker 03

  Oh, this is like when the cats taste something they don't, that they're confused by? This is my favorite impression.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  This is it.

• 2:09:46Speaker 03

  It's a confused, the cat ate something it doesn't know what it is. This is, this, that gets, gets you every time. That can gets you every time, man. I will laugh at that. I will like fall off the couch laughing at that if he'll do it at his, you know.