New Schedules, New Popes and Fitz & Whit on Getting Ejected, Kelce House Parties and More | EP 139

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• 1:29Speaker 02

  The wrongs we must right. The fights we must win. The future we must secure together for our nation. This is what's in front of us. This determines what's next for all of us. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  Can we talk about your snaps real fast?

• 1:52Speaker 04

  How do you know about my snaps?

• 1:53Speaker 03

  I used to watch film and be like, "Holy, that is a rocket shot!"

• 1:58Speaker 04

  You could tell by watching tape?

• 1:59Speaker 03

  When Jalen Hurts had to switch his stance to this?

• 2:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. I felt it, yeah.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Speaking of guards, I'm pretty sure I just ripped my jeans. Did you really? Yeah, pretty sure I did.

• 2:15Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights. Ninety-two percenters, how about a Wondery show? Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Allstate. You're in good hands with Allstate. I'm Travis Kelce. This is.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  Jason.

• 2:32Travis Kelce?

  Jason Kelce, my big brother out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Cincinnati Bearcats. The fucking Cavs, god damn it. We can't, we're struggling right now.

• 2:42Speaker 04

  I, so I made, is DraftKings sponsoring this episode? Yeah, so I made a real big error.

• 2:48Travis Kelce?

  By doing what?

• 2:49Speaker 04

  So the Cavs were down 0-2. And I put some cash into my DraftKings app.

• 2:54Travis Kelce?

  Hammer it, yeah.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  I put money into the DraftKings app thinking I was gonna bet on the horses for the Derby. And then I just had cash sitting around the DraftKings app.

• 3:03Speaker 04

  So of course I put that to work. And the Cavs are down 0-2. So I'm like, you know what? Good odds right now.

• 3:09Travis Kelce?

  Good odds.

• 3:09Speaker 04

  I'm gonna take them in this series.

• 3:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Big disappointment last night.

• 3:14Travis Kelce?

  Down forty-one at half. Yeah, that was, that was a struggle right there. Yeah, we're back in Cleveland. Next game, I think. All right, here we go. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts, Ninety-two Percenters. And follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  All right, we got a great episode coming live from New York City. We're gonna break down all we know about the NFL schedule, which right now currently is nothing. Spoiler alert, cuz as of this taping, the schedule comes out tomorrow. We'll get more to that later.

• 3:49Travis Kelce?

  Sorry.

• 3:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, we've got two incredible guests with us. You might know them from their podcast, Fitz and Wit. But they're coming on our podcast as Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andrew Whitworth.

• 4:01Travis Kelce?

  That's right.

• 4:02Speaker 04

  Two NFL legends, Walter Payton Man of the Year, and most teams played on in a career. They're both here today.

• 4:10Travis Kelce?

  That's no way that's true.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  I mean, it's gotta be close. At least started on, how many teams, Brandon, do you know?

• 4:17Travis Kelce?

  I think thirteen.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  If it's thirteen, that's.

• 4:19Travis Kelce?

  It might be fifteen.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  It's a lucky number.

• 4:22Travis Kelce?

  It is a good number.

• 4:23Speaker 06

  Rams, Bengals, Bills.

• 4:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 4:26Speaker 06

  Texans.

• 4:27Speaker 04

  We asked for a number, Brandon.

• 4:28Speaker 06

  Dolphins, nine, Washington.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  That's it? Oh, it felt like more. Okay. Honestly, I thought it was more.

• 4:34Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. He tricked me into saying 13.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  I'm a tricky guy.

• 4:38Travis Kelce?

  He tricked me into saying.

• 4:39Speaker 04

  All right, but before they get here, we're gonna start as we always start with a little bit of that. News, news, news is brought to you by American Express. All right, the NFL schedule release is here. Well, not officially as of this recording. This is being recorded Monday. The schedule release is coming out tomorrow. We do know some details coming out, though. We will comment on those right now. Eagles will open the season against the much maligned Dallas Cowboys.

• 5:07Travis Kelce?

  Cowboys, Eagles.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Some would call it America's team. Um, but it's been a while since America's been great, if that's America's team. So.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Eagles are gonna kick off the Cowboys at home for the 2025 season. Jerry Jones is gonna be pretty pumped to see a banner come down in Philadelphia Eagles Lincoln Financial Field as they commemorate Super Bowl 59. That's an electric game to start the NFL season off. One of the oldest rivalries. I think, I think that's true. It's definitely one of the most heated.

• 5:44Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 04

  I mean, there's, there's babies born saying fuck Dallas and Philadelphia.

• 5:48Travis Kelce?

  I think it'll be a great game. A great game to see if, uh, you know, Dallas is, uh.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  They made some moves.

• 5:54Travis Kelce?

  Have they made some moves?

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Well, they drafted, uh, the, the kid Tyler Booker early to fix their offensive line has been having issues as they've lost Tyron Smith and now, uh, Martin.

• 6:04Travis Kelce?

  Is my guy Dak gonna be back?

• 6:05Speaker 04

  Um, I think so. Yeah. So they added Tyler Booker to kind of fix some of the offensive line issues they've been having. They've. They had the best offense, one of the best offensive lines in the NFL for about a decade when they, Travis Frederick, Zach Martin, Tyron Smith. Now all those guys have moved on. Zach finally retired. Congratulations, Zach. It feels great. You're gonna hate yourself a little bit, but you'll get over it. Fuck off. So they drafted that kid. Hopefully he can pan out for him or hopefully not if you're an Eagles fan. Um, they also added George Pickens.

• 6:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, pick from uh Steelers. They actually did make some moves, huh?

• 6:41Speaker 04

  Well, that's a big one to me because Pickens and C D Lamb, that should help out Dak. Those are two good. It's a combination right there.

• 6:48Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah, they got a good tight end. Uh, they got obviously great defensive line, great. When you have an opening game, you want it to be one that people can get excited for and Eagles Cowboys, that's like, you're gonna like watching that on TV, you're gonna feel the hatred and you're gonna feel how intense these NFL teams hate each other.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think the NFL has done alright.

• 7:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, down forty.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  It's a great, um, I think the NFL, ever since they've gone to this, like whoever wins the Super Bowl opens the season up, right? They've gone to that mold. The fact that the season's gonna be kicked off with this big of a rivalry game, there's gonna be a lot of noise around it. People are gonna be talking crap all offseason leading up to it. It's gonna be electric. Other big news, the other big rumor I should say is that the Chiefs are gonna be opening their season against the Chargers in Brazil.

• 7:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, this was uh, this was posted by Yahoo Sports.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  Is that official?

• 7:41Travis Kelce?

  I don't know.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  It's kind of a yellow checkmark.

• 7:43Travis Kelce?

  Yellow checkmark's good indicator that it's kind of official, but it's still X. So you just.

• 7:50Speaker 04

  I mean, that's how everybody gets news these days.

• 7:52Travis Kelce?

  Uh, yeah, you're right, but it didn't come from the NFL. It doesn't look like.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  It didn't?

• 7:56Travis Kelce?

  It came from Eric Fisher, front office sports. So Yahoo Sports posted this from front office sports, which is.

• 8:06Speaker 04

  Even more official, front office. That's an official position.

• 8:09Travis Kelce?

  Oh, the NFL is closing in on an agreement. So it's not, it's, it is just that. It's a rumor.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  Well, so the Chargers will host the Chiefs in Sao Paulo in Brazil, week one.

• 8:21Travis Kelce?

  This doesn't come out till Wednesday?

• 8:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we're definitely playing in Brazil.

• 8:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:28Travis Kelce?

  I also heard those rumors.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  So I can skip this next question. Travis, do you know anything? All right. Should we take New Heights overseas?

• 8:37Travis Kelce?

  I mean, I'll be there. Not to do a podcast. Yeah, I'll be there playing football in the fucking heat.

• 8:45Speaker 04

  I mean, we can still both be over there. I wanted to go last year when Philly played there. By the way, the field was atrocious last year.

• 8:53Travis Kelce?

  The old field thing.

• 8:57Speaker 04

  I mean, it was noticeably bad. The commentators are...

• 9:00Travis Kelce?

  The guys are slipping all over the place. I'm out there playing with their shoulders over our toes.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, listen, it's a fair point, but it was a bad field.

• 9:08Travis Kelce?

  They weren't slipping in New Orleans.

• 9:09Speaker 04

  Just letting you know, wear your seven studs.

• 9:12Travis Kelce?

  These guys were not slipping in New Orleans.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  Could we? Yeah, no, they're firm footing.

• 9:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I was slipping in New Orleans.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I might be able to hit both of these. This is pretty awesome.

• 9:24Travis Kelce?

  I don't know, man. There's just something about getting closer to the equator that I don't want to put on football uniform doing that.

• 9:31Speaker 04

  Especially in September?

• 9:32Travis Kelce?

  I've been in Jacksonville in September, and that's fucking miserable. Is Sao Paulo, is that like by the water?

• 9:40Speaker 04

  Sao Paulo, I don't believe, I think it's inland. I believe so.

• 9:45Travis Kelce?

  That feels better. I like that in my mind.

• 9:47Speaker 04

  You like that more?

• 9:48Travis Kelce?

  I'd rather it be dry than humid. I'm a sweaty, I like when I'm in humid.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  There's definitely water around Sao Paulo, but I think it's rivers or something like that, right? Brandon, can you do some geography for us?

• 10:01Travis Kelce?

  There's rivers. Yeah, there are rivers. Google map it.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  There's a source of water.

• 10:07Travis Kelce?

  I will say this, if it's humid, I'm gonna be miserable. I'm gonna make, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be...

• 10:12Speaker 04

  You're surrounded by the Amazon rainforest.

• 10:14Travis Kelce?

  This is a good point. Yeah, I forgot all about the, that whole thing they got down there. Um, yeah, no, if it's hot and humid and kind of what I'm expecting, I'm gonna be miserable, but we're gonna find a way to get a win.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  You know, okay, Brazil took what? Test. What language do they speak in Brazil?

• 10:31Travis Kelce?

  Portuguese.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  Do you know any Portuguese words?

• 10:36Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  And I went down there for the World Cup. That's Spanish?

• 10:41Travis Kelce?

  Fuck.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  It might be Portuguese. There's a lot of crossover. Not really entirely sure which words do and don't. I do know obrigado is thank you.

• 10:51Travis Kelce?

  What about, uh?

• 10:52Speaker 04

  And I think it's I think it's ceveja is a beer, I believe.

• 10:58Travis Kelce?

  What?

• 10:58Speaker 04

  Nothing. So yeah, it's gonna be humid.

• 11:00Travis Kelce?

  I'm definitely gonna have to ask the, the equipment guys to have a couple jerseys.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 11:05Travis Kelce?

  Definitely, maybe three pairs of pants, because I might go through a pair in warmup.

• 11:10Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 11:11Travis Kelce?

  And definitely one for each.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  I'm sweating, I'm assuming?

• 11:13Travis Kelce?

  Yes. Nowadays, we can dry the gloves in between series, so I won't need too many of those. Uh, but definitely, probably maybe four cleats. I might just go through a pair every, like, I'm going to be sweating so bad.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, you are.

• 11:29Speaker 04

  I would be ready for all of that and switching out your socks, those shoes will get sticky.

• 11:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I gotta make, thank you for that. I gotta make sure.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  Like soggy shoes. Stepping the shoes and sweats coming out of the

• 11:42Travis Kelce?

  Like a sponge. When you squeeze a sponge.

• 11:45Speaker 04

  I might, I haven't been to Sao Paulo since I went for the World Cup.

• 11:48Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you've been there. Tell me about it. What, what I gotta look forward to?

• 11:50Speaker 04

  You know, I spent most of my time in Rio when I was down there. I was only in Sao Paulo for one game. The stadium was great. The game was fantastic, but as a city, I don't remember much of Sao Paulo. It kinda just felt like another major metropolitan area. Stadium was dope, although the grass last year again was terrible, so hopefully they fix that this year. Um, also, we also have the holiest of new news to switch gears here. We got a new pope. That's right. Since we last recorded, we have officially got the first ever United States of America pope. Did you know that?

• 12:22Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I've heard the news.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Okay, so it's not just here. Apparently it isn't that new of a news, if we know it. He also, did you know he's Delco's finest? Spent time in Delaware County, Philadelphia.

• 12:35Travis Kelce?

  Okay, now?

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:36Travis Kelce?

  Is there, uh, some, like?

• 12:40Travis Kelce?

  Like how like, you know, somebody would go to the NFL. Is there like,

• 12:44Speaker 04

  I actually do.

• 12:45Travis Kelce?

  You go to, you go to like a really prestige high school that you go to like Alabama or the SCC and then you, is there like something in Delaware County that's like the SCC of Catholicism?

• 12:55Speaker 04

  There is actually a very historic notable seminary school there. I don't remember what it's called. I've driven past it. It's gorgeous. It's right next to Villanova's campus.

• 13:04Travis Kelce?

  Okay. It's probably called like,

• 13:05Speaker 04

  I don't know if that's where he was.

• 13:07Travis Kelce?

  Or something.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  Huh? Pre-pope?

• 13:09Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  Well, this is the first pope ever, so it's probably not called pre-pope, but there are a lot of, uh, dioceses and clergy folk that come from that.

• 13:18Travis Kelce?

  Do you know like the qualifications for a pope?

• 13:20Speaker 04

  For a pope?

• 13:21Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  Uh, probably have to be a bishop. I don't, is that how it works? I'm not Catholic. Neither of us are Catholic, so it's hard to know this.

• 13:27Travis Kelce?

  I want to know how a young lad from the streets of Chicago.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Well, you gotta be pretty.

• 13:34Travis Kelce?

  All the way over.

• 13:36Speaker 04

  Gotta be pretty devout. Obviously can't have sex. That's a big rule. It's a big one. It's one of the ones that I remember.

• 13:42Travis Kelce?

  Somebody getting out of Chicago without that?

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, you want to leave Chicago if you're not.

• 13:46Travis Kelce?

  That's how they, I'm honestly, they're probably like, he made it out of Chicago without any intercourse. This guy can do anything.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, this guy's convicted. This guy not getting distracted one bit.

• 13:59Travis Kelce?

  He is locked.

• 14:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, this fucker is locked in. He believes that book.

• 14:04Travis Kelce?

  And in the nineties when the Bulls were fucking studs.

• 14:08Speaker 04

  What, you think he's gonna fuck Michael Jordan? What are you talking about?

• 14:12Travis Kelce?

  The city was magical. It was electric. We went to ESPN zone around those days.

• 14:18Speaker 04

  At ESPN zone.

• 14:19Travis Kelce?

  And it was fucking rocking.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  That was sick. They also had a Disney quest, I believe in downtown.

• 14:23Travis Kelce?

  They did.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was fun.

• 14:24Travis Kelce?

  That was epic.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  I don't remember getting any pussy, but it was a lot of, just great time.

• 14:27Travis Kelce?

  It was everywhere. I remember.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Alrighty Travis, back at Titan U. Attending the 4th Annual Titan U in Nashville, Tennessee.

• 14:44Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, a summit for the best position in football. The greatest position ever created.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  It's kind of more like the most of like ambiguous position ever created. It's like a...

• 14:55Travis Kelce?

  We get to do everything, Jason. It's our 4th year doing it in an old Nash Vegas, Nashville, Tennessee.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 15:01Travis Kelce?

  Vanderbilt's always been kind and letting us use their facilities and get just north of 80 Titans throughout the league to come up, spread the wisdom and just have a good old time.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  Is it only NFL Titans?

• 15:16Travis Kelce?

  Uh, yeah, pretty much.

• 15:17Speaker 04

  No college Titans?

• 15:19Travis Kelce?

  Not that I know of, no.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  No kids?

• 15:21Travis Kelce?

  I mean...

• 15:22Speaker 04

  You guys not like kids?

• 15:23Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Who does a football camp without fucking kids?

• 15:27Travis Kelce?

  Titan U.

• 15:28Speaker 04

  What are you guys talking about?

• 15:29Travis Kelce?

  My guy Greg Olson.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  Tight ending?

• 15:31Travis Kelce?

  George Kittle, the Kittle and the entire Kittle family really helps out doing Rubicon Sports. Shout out to Rubicon. Um, yeah, everybody's, uh, we always raise funds for Boys and Girls Club.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Oh, there's the kids.

• 15:43Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, and we do end up bringing kids in there for a little camp.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  You just don't tell them anything about Titan?

• 15:49Travis Kelce?

  Correct.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Job security?

• 15:50Travis Kelce?

  It's all fun at that age. It's all fun at that age.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  What is one thing you've learned at Titan U?

• 15:54Travis Kelce?

  One thing I've learned at Titan U?

• 15:58Speaker 04

  That you're willing to share. You've been there 3 times.

• 16:01Travis Kelce?

  For a guy like me, it's, it's more just like reassurance.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 16:06Travis Kelce?

  You know, um, hearing Gronk up there 2 years ago, uh, talk about his mentality, how he, how he would get on the same page with Tom Brady and stuff like that. That was really valuable and stuck with me.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. How did, how did you get on the same page as?

• 16:19Travis Kelce?

  Well, just one, a lot of work. There's a lot of, a lot of time spent, you know, finding your way out there to practice. I think Julian Edelman said it the best. He like, he, when he couldn't go out there and practice, he was like, man, I just, I can't be at the top of my game for my, for the people around me. So it was like, that in itself, um, was like reassurance. And then hearing, uh, Gronk up there talking about that and talking about his mentality on the field and just trying to be the best teammate, um, he possibly could for the guys around him. I think that really, uh, I don't know. Makes sense in my head and I connected it.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 16:52Travis Kelce?

  You trying to come out to tighten you for a day?

• 16:54Speaker 04

  I can't. I want to. It's in between.

• 16:56Travis Kelce?

  Run around, run around on the old pitch.

• 16:58Speaker 04

  I would love to.

• 16:58Travis Kelce?

  Run some routes to see if you, uh, I mean, you're down weight. What are you down right now, dude? Look at these. Look at this guy.

• 17:04Speaker 04

  I'm about 270 right now, I think.

• 17:06Travis Kelce?

  270? That's what I played last year. You can play tight end.

• 17:09Speaker 04

  Can't. No. My ankles and knees and back won't let me.

• 17:13Travis Kelce?

  No, that, that's

• 17:14Speaker 04

  It's getting bad.

• 17:15Travis Kelce?

  That's just your mind.

• 17:16Speaker 04

  I don't know if it's like the moment you retire mentally, your body retires too physically. Cause I'm just like, I'm trying to lift weights.

• 17:24Travis Kelce?

  Jason, I talked to you every week when you were playing and you were saying the same thing.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, but now it's like actually an issue. Yeah. My ankle playing golf last week is inflamed. I can't squat now because my ankle hurts.

• 17:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, but that's because

• 17:36Speaker 04

  I can't bench because I sprained my, my

• 17:37Travis Kelce?

  You wear flip flops when you play golf.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  No, I was playing, wearing the G4s. Shout out to G4, free marketing. Good for you guys.

• 17:44Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Free marketing and you're, the people who wear your shoes, their ankles hurt.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Good point. I guess it's not the best.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Sorry, G4.

• 17:54Travis Kelce?

  I got some good ones for you.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Do you?

• 17:56Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  Alright, cool.

• 17:57Travis Kelce?

  I'll pub it even more. Uh, we got some fun events this year for not just tight ends in the NFL, for everybody around the Nashville area.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  You guys are doing stuff with kids. What the fuck?

• 18:05Travis Kelce?

  Not with kids. This is, we are a little bit with the kids.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  Who are you doing it with then?

• 18:09Travis Kelce?

  Uh, fans of the NFL. Yeah.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  That's cool. That's even cooler.

• 18:13Travis Kelce?

  Fans of tight ends.

• 18:14Speaker 04

  Fans of tight ends or nobody?

• 18:17Travis Kelce?

  That was fucked up. I'm not gonna do this because I like Creed. I like Creed, so I'm not even gonna fucking throw shade at you. Fucking, you throw a ball through your legs, Jason.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  Through.

• 18:31Speaker 04

  Touch the ball every snap. It's more important.

• 18:34Travis Kelce?

  You can barely do that.

• 18:35Speaker 04

  Every snap, I gotta touch that ball.

• 18:38Travis Kelce?

  You could.

• 18:39Speaker 04

  Five yards, in between your legs without looking and then blocking.

• 18:42Travis Kelce?

  Jason, how about we just find a way to get to the quarterback here?

• 18:46Travis Kelce?

  It's a big third down.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Alrighty, we got the Garage Beer Caddy Contest. I don't know if you guys know this, but Travis and I golf in an event out in Tahoe, California, called the American Century Classic. Last year, my caddy was none other than our own intern, Brandon. Travis always has our hometown friend, Caddy.

• 19:07Travis Kelce?

  Jason finished last, last year.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  Third, third to last.

• 19:11Travis Kelce?

  Did you really?

• 19:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. Don't shortchange me, don't.

• 19:14Travis Kelce?

  My first, my first year, I think I was down there too.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Listen, I got Reddit, working on fixing my golf swing, so look out. So Travis always has our good friend, Pat Bacon, as his caddy.

• 19:25Travis Kelce?

  Patty Bakes, Ford City Insurance, Cleveland's finest, baby.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  We did decide to do a fun garage.

• 19:31Travis Kelce?

  We get better every year.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  He's bringing great vibes, alright. But we are doing a little contest this year, we're doing a Garage Beer Caddy Contest. We thought, not only do we have our bags that need to be caddied, we also need a beer caddy. I think we might be inventing it, I've never really heard of it, but I'm excited to unleash this, and we're looking for your help. We need somebody to caddy our beer for all three days of the American, is it just one day? For however many days are stipulated by the terms of the contract, we need you to carry beer for us, help us drink it. I kind of, I think it'd be cool if they, if they carried it like in the, like the cups, like the, the old stadium beer guys? You got the harness around your shoulders and you carry it like that?

• 20:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, not like a cooler, just have a tray of beers. That'd be pretty dope.

• 20:24Travis Kelce?

  It would be pretty dope. Are we allowed to do this with Garage Beer? Have we talked to anybody over there?

• 20:28Speaker 04

  I'm assuming somebody cleared it.

• 20:30Travis Kelce?

  Nobody cleared any of this?

• 20:33Travis Kelce?

  This is hilarious.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  We'll find out.

• 20:35Travis Kelce?

  They have their own sponsors. I'm, I think we need to, I think we need to check with American Century.

• 20:42Speaker 04

  Nobody said anything yet.

• 20:48Travis Kelce?

  This guy is...

• 20:49Speaker 04

  Why are you acting to me? I'm just reading what's on the thing. This is, there's a whole sign.

• 20:53Travis Kelce?

  This is your idea.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  This is not my idea. This is, well, this is our idea.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  This is Garage Beer's idea, so we're all in on it.

• 21:02Travis Kelce?

  We, we had a beer caddy last year. Jonathan Thomas's son.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 21:06Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to JT.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 21:07Travis Kelce?

  And his son.

• 21:08Speaker 04

  Well, if he wants to, I mean, listen, if you want to apply, you can be the caddy again.

• 21:12Travis Kelce?

  This is crazy. I didn't, I thought this was just to be your caddy.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 21:16Travis Kelce?

  I didn't know this was a beer caddy.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  No, beer caddy. This is specifically just to carry beers. And if we can't do garage beers, we'll just do cups. They don't want to, I mean, if there's like a sponsorship infringement, then you just, you're just liquid.

• 21:31Travis Kelce?

  Glad we thought about this.

• 21:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  I think it'll work.

• 21:35Travis Kelce?

  You can do it for Jason.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Alright, so this is to be Jason's beer caddy, who will also be playing with Travis.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  No affiliation.

• 21:44Travis Kelce?

  Everybody in America's history had nothing to do with this. This is all Jason.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Alright, that's fine. I'll take it. Alright, film club reminder, uh, we will be back next week with our Sandlot review. Little Smalls, Penny the Jet. What else have we been missing? Besides a bunch of characters.

• 22:04Travis Kelce?

  Wendy Peppercorn.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  Very overrated, by the way, right?

• 22:07Travis Kelce?

  No, she was...

• 22:09Speaker 04

  So hot. I think she was just hot because she was like the only woman that was at maturity. They showed the entire frigging movie besides the mom.

• 22:19Travis Kelce?

  Well...

• 22:20Speaker 04

  When you're comparing her to the catcher, yeah, of course she's gonna be hot.

• 22:26Travis Kelce?

  I think you're gonna watch it and be like, alright, she was hot.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  Alright, well, we'll find out. There will be a review and we will be reviewing the hotness of Wendy Peppercorn now. We're gonna judge you, actress that played Wendy Peppercorn.

• 22:39Travis Kelce?

  I already know you're hot.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  That's new news brought to you by American Express.

• 22:48Travis Kelce?

  That was rough.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  It was.

• 22:50Travis Kelce?

  But we got through it.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, we got good editors.

• 22:52Travis Kelce?

  Because you guys are listening. That's why.

• 22:53Speaker 04

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• 22:59Travis Kelce?

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• 23:04Speaker 04

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• 23:10Travis Kelce?

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• 23:18Speaker 04

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• 23:23Travis Kelce?

  And if you get the black card, unlock recovery amenities. Uh, plus bring a friend with you every single visit.

• 23:29Speaker 04

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• 23:38Travis Kelce?

  Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 24:02Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 24:19Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  I love a water park.

• 24:22Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one? Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship. Not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade. So that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 24:40Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 24:48Speaker 04

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 24:51Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  On offense, it's important to prevent problems from the moment the ball is snapped.

• 24:59Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 25:06Speaker 04

  But it's not just football. There's a lot of things you need to prevent before they start.

• 25:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 25:12Speaker 04

  My mouth specifically?

• 25:14Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah. All the nasty stuff. But the good news is you can prevent these problems before they start with Colgate Total Active Prevention. It's like having a good offensive line for your mouth.

• 25:36Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, exactly. With twice daily brushing, Colgate Total prevents oral health problems like cavities and gingivitis.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  And it's not just one contributing player either. It's a whole system. Toothpaste, mouthwash, and a special toothbrush.

• 25:51Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  Colgate Total is like having a full playbook in your bathroom. Working to help prevent oral health problems before they start.

• 26:01Travis Kelce?

  Get Colgate Total on Amazon today.

• 26:06Speaker 04

  Our guests today are here. They have combined for 33 seasons. Fucking insane. 33 seasons in the NFL. Together, they have two first team all pros, four pro bowls, or Walter Payton man of the year, a Super Bowl championship, and they hold the franchise record for five different NFL teams.

• 26:25Travis Kelce?

  God damn.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  Very impressive.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  Well, one of one person does.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  92%ers, please welcome the hosts of the Fitz and Wit Show, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andrew Whitworth. Did I get that order right? Is it Fitz and Wit?

• 26:41Speaker 07

  Some say Wit and Fitz.

• 26:42Speaker 04

  I didn't know.

• 26:44Speaker 07

  8%ers say that.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  Well done. Thanks for joining me, guys. Thanks for joining us.

• 26:51Travis Kelce?

  Fuck yeah.

• 26:52Speaker 04

  We got the NFL schedule. That is the brand new part that has come out.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  You guys are on the Black Friday game, is that right?

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. Ooh. Yeah, Black Friday game. Now, we wanted to ask, we are headed to Philadelphia.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  You're coming to Philly?

• 27:07Speaker 03

  We're coming to Philly.

• 27:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, we need some advice.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  I wasn't asking for advice. I just want to stay at your house, if you don't mind.

• 27:13Speaker 07

  Even better than advice.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  I would love that of you.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Now, I also want to bring my family.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  We got a whole, we got all room, how many is it?

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Seven kids. Seven. Should be 11. 11 kids between the two of us, if you don't mind.

• 27:24Speaker 04

  This sounds like a good time.

• 27:25Travis Kelce?

  The only thing with Fitz coming to the house, you just got to make sure the attic is locked.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:30Travis Kelce?

  Because he will find his way.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  He's going up there.

• 27:32Travis Kelce?

  Into your attic. And he will just start bringing things down.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  I still wear that T-shirt quite a bit. Now, I heard, though, that that mural that somebody had given you is now gone. Is that not part of the...

• 27:44Travis Kelce?

  It didn't make it past that. I actually realized that, okay, people can go in my attic and grab that. I need to get rid of that.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I want to apologize for that. Yeah, I apologize for it. It was our first Thursday night game ever.

• 27:55Travis Kelce?

  Yep, epic, yeah.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  And it was the Chargers, I think, and the Chiefs.

• 27:59Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, Chiefs Chargers.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  And we went over to Trav's house afterwards and had a grand old time.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Trav had some bangers after the games.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Had some bangers.

• 28:07Speaker 07

  There was not a lot of furniture in the house, but there was a lot of things that we got into in the attic.

• 28:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:12Speaker 07

  T-shirts.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  The basketball hoop.

• 28:14Speaker 07

  Basketball hoop in the living room?

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Living room.

• 28:16Travis Kelce?

  We put some holes through the walls, playing two on two and that thing. Not this time, when they were there, but in other parties, yeah.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  It was a fun house.

• 28:24Travis Kelce?

  It can get rowdy.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  It was a fun house.

• 28:26Travis Kelce?

  Play a little flip cup, little, uh, yeah. It was meant for after-game parties.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 28:33Travis Kelce?

  That's why there wasn't a lot of furniture. I don't want people sitting around.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:36Travis Kelce?

  You're getting active.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:38Travis Kelce?

  You're here to fucking party or you're not?

• 28:39Speaker 07

  You're shooting free throws if you come over.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  We knew, we knew when we walked in, he had a full-time bartender. It wasn't just for that night. He was there every day.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  Do you remember the bartender's name?

• 28:50Speaker 03

  Reggie or Harry, I didn't know which one.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, Reggie, great guy.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  So, Chicago at Philly, you guys are welcome to stay.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Okay, thank you.

• 29:00Speaker 07

  Fifteen of us.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  Do you guys like the Black Friday game? This is the second year they're doing that, right? Third.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Third year?

• 29:05Speaker 07

  Third year.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  I like the Black Friday game.

• 29:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think it's great. Yeah, obviously, I mean, obviously, we're used to Thursday nights, but Friday during the day kind of change up and get a little Thanksgiving action in whatever city we're in. And that's where we're, you know, looking forward to the meal that's gonna be provided at the Kelsey's house. So, yeah, room for fifteen, really easy.

• 29:21Speaker 04

  I got a turkey fryer.

• 29:22Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 29:23Speaker 04

  Every year I leave the oil in it and I have to get another turkey fryer.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  I do the same thing. I take a power, I try to, I take a power washer like the next year and try to get everything out of there.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:38Speaker 04

  Butterball and whatever the companies are killing me in.

• 29:40Travis Kelce?

  That's how you know the thing's working, because you just eat the turkey and you just sit there and you just get lazy.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:46Travis Kelce?

  You just get heavy and you're just Thanksgiving. I'm not gonna go clean that fucking thing out right now. I'm gonna do it another day. And then that other day just never comes.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, it doesn't.

• 29:55Speaker 07

  It doesn't.

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Are you, you guys also have Christmas Day?

• 29:58Speaker 03

  You wanna tell, you wanna break the news to Trav?

• 30:02Speaker 07

  Well, here's the best news. We get Thanksgiving at one Kelsey and we get Christmas.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  Oh!

• 30:12Speaker 07

  You're gonna lock the attic this time.

• 30:14Speaker 04

  No, you kidding me? No, you already know, you can.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Okay, there's actually a bigger ask. This is a bigger ask because Christmas is huge for kids.

• 30:21Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you know it.

• 30:22Speaker 03

  Well, we don't got a store gift. Santa just needs to know where to go.

• 30:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:26Travis Kelce?

  I got, yeah, I mean, we got chimneys.

• 30:28Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 30:29Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we got chimneys. We got chimneys, yeah. And we got furniture now, so.

• 30:35Speaker 03

  Do you really?

• 30:36Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 30:36Speaker 03

  Did you make those decisions or had it that?

• 30:39Travis Kelce?

  It was an executive decision by myself for the betterment of everyone, yes.

• 30:44Travis Kelce?

  I was like, I need some furniture.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  So, I, I don't know what time that game is at yet.

• 30:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, don't it, will be the last game of the day.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  But will we do Christmas morning together or will you be prepping for the game? How is that gonna?

• 30:55Travis Kelce?

  Christmas breakfast, yeah.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  Christmas breakfast, okay.

• 30:58Travis Kelce?

  Last year, I think we, we were obviously in Pittsburgh, but it was a day game, so.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:04Travis Kelce?

  I don't know how.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  But that was.

• 31:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, good point. Netflix. Good point.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're not.

• 31:08Speaker 07

  We don't talk about that.

• 31:09Travis Kelce?

  Good point.

• 31:09Speaker 07

  So.

• 31:10Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 31:10Speaker 07

  Don't talk about that.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  But yes, we're very excited.

• 31:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, we're excited. A little Christmas Eve at the Chelsea.

• 31:15Travis Kelce?

  We got the, who do we play?

• 31:17Speaker 07

  Broncos at Chiefs.

• 31:18Travis Kelce?

  Broncos, goddamn, they're getting good, too.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  They are getting good.

• 31:21Travis Kelce?

  They're getting good, that'd be a banger. We beat them by a blocked field goal last year. Down to the wire, and then they smoked us when we didn't play them last week of the season.

• 31:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, we don't count those.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  Well, you played them.

• 31:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we played them.

• 31:33Speaker 07

  We don't count those.

• 31:34Travis Kelce?

  They beat us.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  You could have set the NFL record.

• 31:36Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. Well, 17 games is different.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  Don't count it? All right. Well, where do we want to start, guys? Do we start podcasting? How's the podcast going?

• 31:45Speaker 03

  It's rough.

• 31:46Travis Kelce?

  No way, dude.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  It's not great, guys.

• 31:48Speaker 04

  What way?

• 31:49Travis Kelce?

  Great social clip.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  No. You know, we had a good first season. First season wrapped.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  First season wrapped.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  You guys are all wrapped.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  We did 25 episodes. Really, they put out a feeler to say, is this gonna work or not?

• 32:03Speaker 07

  Who are these people?

• 32:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we do have season two coming up, and I think.

• 32:07Travis Kelce?

  It worked!

• 32:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it worked.

• 32:08Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah!

• 32:09Speaker 07

  We're back, baby.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  But it'll be, it'll be somewhere around when the NFL season starts up.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  So you guys are completely done podcasting from now until the start of the season?

• 32:18Travis Kelce?

  That's what they said.

• 32:18Speaker 04

  Why have we not tried this model? This is a good model.

• 32:21Travis Kelce?

  Um, I, I don't know.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think you guys have proven yourselves that people want the content. They need the content.

• 32:27Speaker 07

  It's a little different.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:29Speaker 04

  Well, summer's off, sounds pretty nice.

• 32:31Travis Kelce?

  So, we were, uh, we were talking about how you could have played guard in another life, uh, before the show.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Who was talking about that?

• 32:38Travis Kelce?

  And I just want to kind of get into it. What do you think would have made you a good guard?

• 32:42Speaker 03

  I think right now, I've always had a big butt, so I feel like the squats is part of it.

• 32:49Speaker 04

  It's a good base, it's your foundation.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  How's your ankle flexibility?

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Pretty good.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  Pretty good.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, pretty good. Uh, I didn't want to insult you by saying, oh, I'd play center, but I feel like I'd be more of a natural center than a guard.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, what is your? On the importance of you playing well, how important is having a good center? On a scale of one to 10?

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Uh, I would say, I'm gonna put it at about an eight.

• 33:14Speaker 04

  Really?

• 33:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  I thought you were gonna lowball it.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  No, very important because...

• 33:18Speaker 04

  Was the center doing much work for you?

• 33:20Speaker 03

  So, it depended where I was, right? And so I bumped around quite a bit. Now, when I got to, say, New York and Nick Mangold was there, I wasn't coming in and being like, "All right, Nick, this is my show!"

• 33:37Speaker 03

  So, in that sense, the center can take a lot off of your plate, right? And that being said, there's also times where, you know, there's some arguments in game of, "You saw this, I saw that." Uh, but the blitz meetings and things throughout the week, if you've got a good center that's on it and he's training the other guys, that thing goes really smooth. So, he takes a lot of work off of my plate, for sure.

• 33:59Travis Kelce?

  I would love to follow up with that one. Were you ever wrong when those conversations got heated?

• 34:05Speaker 03

  You guys will have to have Nick on.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  You know, I was only wrong with protections once in my career, once, and I slid the line, everybody, one way, and London Fletcher came the other way and fractured six of my ribs.

• 34:20Speaker 07

  I would argue you were wrong twice, but...

• 34:23Speaker 03

  So, I was wrong twice. Uh, the first time I was wrong, Whit and I were teammates.

• 34:28Speaker 07

  There you go. Thank you. I appreciate it. Now he's being honest. Now we can get to it.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  This had nothing to do with a protection call on the field. It had to do with what happened after a play happened. You guys remember Big John Henderson?

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 34:41Speaker 07

  Big Bad John.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 34:43Speaker 07

  2008, Cincinnati Bengals are 0-8.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  We're 0-8 at the time.

• 34:47Speaker 07

  Playing the Jacksonville Jaguars at home, and I was a young guard trying to prove myself.

• 34:52Speaker 04

  Fresh off of him getting slapped pre-game.

• 34:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, fresh off the slap. You know how this goes. The skill guys, Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzada, decide during the TV timeout, we're beating Jacksonville, they were pretty good that year, to start talking trash to Big Bad John. He gets riled up, so we start getting in some full-on swinging sessions. That leads to an all-out brawl, me and him going helmets... ripped off. We're fighting across the field.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  It's a lot of.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Brad, what am I supposed to do?

• 35:16Speaker 07

  We both get ejected.

• 35:17Travis Kelce?

  Throw your hands.

• 35:18Speaker 07

  Both get ejected. It's kind of my claim to fame. But after that moment, I became the captain. That's kind of the like that I became captain of Cincinnati Bengals from that moment on, basically, because we were in a I'd kind of called out the team on the Saturday walk through about being soft and we were kind of act like some bitches and I've never been anywhere where I accepted losing. And so said this, go in the next day, get in this huge fight, get ejected out of the game. We win the game. Come in on Monday. Yeah, huge.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  That was my first, my first win as a starter.

• 35:43Speaker 07

  First win as a starter, Ryan Fitzpatrick. So there's a lot of, you know, congratulations going around. Fitz is happy. OC stands up and he goes, the only thing I do want to talk about, we come in on Wednesday. We got our fines in from the fights.

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 35:55Speaker 07

  You know, back then they did the halo rule. If you're within the halo of the fight, you got fined.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 07

  10 guys on offense got fined, guys. There's only one guy on the offense that didn't get fined. We weren't taped.

• 36:07Speaker 04

  And you call yourself a guard.

• 36:09Speaker 07

  Run into the sideline. Run into the sideline. Fight there by throwing hands in the middle of the, he's running the sideline.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  I told you before this started, I ran a 488, remember? That day was like a 46. John Henderson's bigger than he is.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's a big man.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  What am I gonna do? Seriously, what am I gonna do?

• 36:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:29Speaker 07

  My man got up out of there.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, it wasn't good.

• 36:32Speaker 07

  So he's been wrong in protection twice.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  He'll never let me live that down.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 36:37Travis Kelce?

  Damn, that's a great story. Um, we got, we just, yeah, now there, there's no halo rule, though. You would have been in there.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 36:45Travis Kelce?

  Thank you.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  For sure. Well, and I have towards the end of my career, I had more money, right?

• 36:52Speaker 03

  Alright, so, I mean, it's a lot of money, but like my rookie year, I made 230. So I didn't know if it was gonna last, how many years I would be there. So more willing to write that check. Yeah.

• 37:01Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:02Travis Kelce?

  Makes sense. Let's talk small hands. Let's talk small hands.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Ooh, small hands.

• 37:05Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, there was a, there was a tweet that came out. Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco doing the exact same pose at the top of their drop with the ball right here and

• 37:15Speaker 04

  They gotta do Kenny Pickett like that.

• 37:17Travis Kelce?

  Joe Flacco's hands are fucking enormous.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, just because Joe has monster hands, don't go after Kenny.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  Have you guys ever heard the term dick beaters?

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Joe's got some dick beaters. Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 04

  Touches palm around that.

• 37:30Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  I apologize. It is insane.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  I've heard the term though. What do you work with?

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Um, good. So I, well, I had to do that. I had to do this hand. Do you mind?

• 37:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  Okay. Yeah. So.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  So here's the thing.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Great size.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  But I, so my thumb stretches down. I bet you have a weird thumb. What is going on with that thumb? So.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  That's how, so yeah, let's say this. So the way they measure the hand.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Is from that pinky all the way to the end of that thumb.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  And so I, I dislocated this pinky. So it's not as good as it once was, but I had the third biggest hand at the combine in 2005.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  No, in 2005.

• 38:03Travis Kelce?

  Oh, Justin.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Not just quarterbacks, like.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  Of everybody. But the reason being is my thumb goes down. So like.

• 38:08Speaker 04

  Some good dick beaters.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. Thank you.

• 38:11Travis Kelce?

  He's got.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Bless. Anyways.

• 38:17Travis Kelce?

  I also wanted to get a, get, because he's wearing a glove. Kenny's wearing a glove. He's like notorious. He's been wearing it since college.

• 38:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:24Travis Kelce?

  Entire career. Peyton Manning, actually, I believe, set the NFL record wearing a glove in 2015.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:31Travis Kelce?

  Have you like, do you like wearing?

• 38:33Speaker 04

  I've seen you wear gloves.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Well, I'll say this. So Kurt Warner went to it too, towards the end of his career. When I got to Buffalo, I dabbled.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Just to see.

• 38:42Speaker 04

  I could've sworn.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  But I, so I had, I had to wear one on my left hand because I tore some ligaments in my thumb, but I couldn't do it on my right hand. I hated it. I absolutely. Rain, rain. Rain, every, I hated it so much.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  I tried the glove on my right hand for like two years and I had to.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  Just the feel. Well, did you?

• 38:59Speaker 04

  My snaps kind of went to crap. No, I tried to go full glove.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Really bad.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  By the way, can we talk, can we talk about your snaps real fast?

• 39:05Speaker 04

  How do you know about my snaps?

• 39:07Speaker 03

  Uh, Jason. I mean, I used to watch, I used to watch film and be like, holy s. That is a rocket shot.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  You can tell by watching tape?

• 39:14Speaker 03

  When I, when Jalen Hurts had to switch his stance to this.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. I felt, yeah.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  I mean, you would fire that pigskin back there.

• 39:24Speaker 04

  I need that hand back. I need to start blocking these big boys.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  Speaking of guards, I'm pretty sure I just ripped my jeans.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  Pretty sure I did.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  All right, well, let's just remain seated for the remainder of this.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Oh, who's talking? I can see your.

• 39:38Speaker 04

  So anyways, what is the, so are there measurements that like, do you, what do you take away from the hand measurement test? Do you think there's validity to that?

• 39:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, anything you care about in a quarterback.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  Well, I'll say this, somebody like Josh Allen, like he's built to play football in bad weather, right? Just body type, hand size, where he's from, like just kind of his overall attitude. So yes, I, there's some validity in the hand size thing for sure, but more of it is that the inability to stretch the thumb out.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  But yes, for sure. And then it really comes to fruition when you're in those bad weather games. When you play in a Pittsburgh or even a Philly or Buffalo and you're playing in the elements all the time. Now of, you know, last year Jared Goff, I don't have no idea what his hands are like, but like they played in a dome so many times. So you're in those perfect conditions and it doesn't matter, but it seems like, and you guys could tell me because I've never been, but playoff football, the elements seem to.

• 40:42Speaker 07

  You don't have all the experience?

• 40:43Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Are there any measurements though, when you look at it where you're like, this is an immediate red flag with the quarterback? Like if I look at a tackle and his arms are, if it says 32.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  Wait, is that?

• 40:55Speaker 04

  I'm like very skeptical on where they can play.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Your LSU guy, what were his arms?

• 41:00Speaker 07

  Well, yeah, I think he was 32 ish.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  Was it 32 and a half or 32?

• 41:03Speaker 07

  Somewhere in there.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  That half makes a big difference as every woman knows.

• 41:07Speaker 07

  Half to, half to three quarters is a big deal. I want to say he was somewhere in the 32 to 33 range.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  This is, this is just.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're going off the rails. Shorts, we're talking about dick beaters. All right.

• 41:17Speaker 03

  I will say that something that didn't matter as much, which was like 40 time and agility, that matters a whole lot more now.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  Especially with the systems that are out there.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  The systems, the way guys play, the way defenses are playing. I think that, that matters quite a bit now, more than it used to.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. What do you think about the arm length measurement for tackles?

• 41:41Speaker 07

  So much goes into what is their style of play? Like, how do they play and what their other attributes are? So if I think they have awesome feet, like a great anchor, those kind of things, I don't think it means as much to me because that just means they need to develop a toolbox that says, all right, I'm gonna get long arms. I'm gonna have to get hands off of me. I'm gonna have to figure out how to get those hands off and use my feet to make some of these blocks.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Like more aggressive short setting?

• 42:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, like you look at some of these guys that love to jump, love to get on a guy like that. That length doesn't matter in that setting. Now, do you have really strong hands? So I always say this, like, regardless of what it is, if you know what you're good at and are you able to develop those things to be your strength, right? And so if you have shorter arms, then you've got to develop the trait to get on guys faster. You gotta develop great hand strength so that when you do get your hands in there, they're never coming off. Right? And so your ability to be able to kind of fine tune what it is you are will dictate that success level. So I say this with O lineman, like, we can get into measurements a lot of the times. But like, number one thing I want to know is are they one of those people who are like, I'm a chase it guy? Like, fuck it, I'm gonna chase whatever it is that makes me good. I'm gonna chase that shit every day. So like, to me, Will Campbell, he's driven that way. Like, he is a, I'm gonna figure out a way to be freaking good. We're from the same hometown.

• 42:49Travis Kelce?

  All right, I know.

• 42:50Speaker 07

  I've known him since he's a kid.

• 42:51Travis Kelce?

  All right, I know.

• 42:52Speaker 07

  He grew up playing high school football and the elements of what New England's gonna be like playing in Foxconn. Like, he's gonna be one of those people, almost you think of like Taylor LeWan, he's in Tennessee. Like, he's gonna be an attitude, I'm New England, I'm a patriot. Vrabel's gonna be the guy pushing his buttons. I think it's just the perfect, like, scenario for a guy like Will to go there.

• 43:09Travis Kelce?

  Did you hear about Brabes running, like, one-on-one drills with him?

• 43:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:14Travis Kelce?

  During his workouts and stuff?

• 43:15Speaker 07

  I actually posted the other day and I was like, I love this. Because it's like, that's what I dreamed of. When he went there, I'm like, all right, Vrabel's got his Taylor LeWan. Like, this kid's gonna come and he's gonna be like, hey dude, don't worry about, not that you're against the vets, but you come in, I want you to be nasty, I want you to finish people. Like, I'm gonna be in your ear all the time. Like, you're gonna come in and be the tone setter for our group. Because you may not come in as a young offensive lineman and take over the room from a leadership standpoint, but you can come in and be like, I'm gonna bring some attitude to this group. And I tell the funny story about 08 and Cincinnati and all that, but that was what I was. I was a young kid trying to find my way and I was like, you know what I do? like to do. I love to fight and get into it and tussle and I'm scared of nobody. So this will be my role. My first couple of years, when I get on the field, like I'm gonna bring it. We're gonna finish plays. I'm gonna get guys pissed off.

• 43:58Speaker 07

  Like two weeks after that Henderson game, I played Albert Haynesworth. That was the year he's guys contract with the Tennessee Titans. He got pulled out of the game in the first quarter because we were fighting every play and Washburn was losing his mind because he wasn't rushing. He was just swinging with me.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:11Speaker 07

  Because I would just start every game like, hey, let's just get in a fight.

• 44:14Speaker 04

  Get in his head.

• 44:15Speaker 07

  Right? And so he pulled him out of the game. So that was my thing as a young player. And I think Will will be that kind of guy. He's gonna come in with an attitude and try to finish guys.

• 44:21Speaker 03

  Can I ask questions to Will too? This is great. This is so funny. So later, later, no, I'm just asking later in your career, were you like, like when you were at the Rams, were you like that? Or were you more of a finesse guy if that?

• 44:32Speaker 07

  You know what's funny? I don't know if I just looked old and miserable, but guys didn't really mess with me. So it was just, uh,

• 44:37Speaker 03

  You had the reputation.

• 44:38Speaker 07

  I didn't, I had the reputation. You know, there's not a lot of Walter Payton men that years have been ejected twice.

• 44:45Speaker 07

  Kind of goes with the award.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  Symbolizes the sportsmanship of the game.

• 44:50Speaker 07

  It's like, hey, listen, this guy's really nice, but maybe he's so nice because he's that fucking crazy that I don't want to mess with him. You know, uh, that was kind of it. I always say my, my favorite story, we were playing in Washington against the commanders. And it was Chase Young was a rookie and I'm in a TV timeout and I see him talking to Montez Sweat and he's like, then he starts laughing. He's like, finally, he goes, hey, hey, big fella. Like I'm looking at him. He goes, you really 39? I'm like, yes. He's like, holy shit. He was like, man, I can't believe going against this dude is just 39. And you remember, I always faced out. So I stared at whoever I played the whole time. I never turned into a huddle. So I would be staring at him the entire game. So he's like, this 39 year old dude looks old as shit is just staring at me all game. Like I'm finding a way to talk to him.

• 45:34Speaker 07

  He's like, are you actually 39, man? Like, yes.

• 45:37Speaker 04

  You've never looked in the huddle?

• 45:39Speaker 07

  Nope.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  Timeout. Is this a rule or this was just an Andrew Whitaker?

• 45:42Speaker 07

  What I've always did.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  The only other guy I had like that, you remember big Willie Cologne?

• 45:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, but Willie towards the end of his career, he just didn't want to have to that extra step. He had to take the turnaround.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  He was just trying to limit his footsteps up to the ball.

• 46:01Travis Kelce?

  I got a, I got a quick question. So obviously you spend most of your career in Cincinnati, St. Louis, or not St. Louis, Los Angeles Rams. Your training camps. I don't know where they were when you were there. It just came out that the Rams are going to Maui.

• 46:16Speaker 07

  Oh, mini camp.

• 46:17Travis Kelce?

  Mini camp, yeah.

• 46:19Speaker 07

  We were always there. They've been talking because of these new partnerships. You see the teams having where they're going, you know, trying to get out of the U.S. and develop all these partnerships across the world. Part of theirs is Australia and then obviously Hawaii and so on the way. And so I think this year was like a big emphasis. They want to move mini camp there. So I'd be pretty cool. Like, I mean, you always hate it having to go to mandatory mini camp, but mandatory mini camp in Maui sounds kind of sweet. So I'm actually, I'm going to go with them. So I'll get a chance to go. Oh, no.

• 46:47Travis Kelce?

  I'm going to take one with the team, you know, just a great teammate. You guys, you guys need anybody to help out with bags?

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• 48:10Speaker 07

  I don't know if Matthew can figure out how to get on the golf course. I could help him get out there.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Hey, I thought Andrew came on this trip. He hasn't been to practice one time.

• 48:19Speaker 07

  Stafford and I'll just go play golf.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  It's just like when we used to do the Pro Bowl in Hawaii, right, guys?

• 48:24Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  I never did it. I visited when Andrew and Travis were in it.

• 48:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, that was epic.

• 48:33Speaker 04

  I got to hang out in the pool.

• 48:34Travis Kelce?

  It was the best old Turtle Bay. Forgetting Sam Marshall.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:38Travis Kelce?

  Oh, wow.

• 48:39Speaker 04

  What was the like going from Cincinnati's offense to the new Sean McVay style? Like, run, play, action, heavy.

• 48:47Speaker 07

  It was beautiful. I mean, living in a world with Hugh Jackson and Jay Gruden where it's like, you know, a lot of empty and a lot of stuff where you're just in drop back protection all the time to all of a sudden like, hey, we're gonna run, run, play action, only throw, you know, really in situations that teams forces to to drop back pass was absolutely beautiful. Not to mention, like, small thing, being that, I was 35 years old. So going from playing on turf every week as a home game to now I played in a division, when you think about that at that time, it's like, you know, San Francisco, Arizona, and then LA, all grass, and then Seattle's your only turf field, but it's a pretty nice turf. So really, I go to situations where I'm playing tons of grass games. Like, I was like, dude, I feel totally different. It's warmer,

• 49:31Speaker 07

  obviously. That, that was a

• 49:33Travis Kelce?

  It's crazy.

• 49:33Speaker 07

  A pretty epic move. I mean, playing west coast was pretty insane.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  You don't like turf?

• 49:37Travis Kelce?

  I fucking hate it, man.

• 49:38Speaker 07

  Oh, you feel terrible. It's night and day. As soon as we moved to sofa, like, obviously, sofa is amazing, but just the, the feel you have walking in on Monday compared to walking in off that grass on a Sunday.

• 49:48Travis Kelce?

  It's night and day. I can't practice the week after I play in turf. You like turf?

• 49:52Speaker 04

  I loved it when I was young.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  I didn't, I didn't never notice the difference.

• 49:55Travis Kelce?

  Never noticed it?

• 49:56Speaker 03

  I don't know what to tell you.

• 49:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  I didn't really do that much running.

• 50:00Speaker 07

  You did lead a team in rushing, though.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  I did.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:03Travis Kelce?

  That's so insane. How many yards do you have again?

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Uh, like 236 or something.

• 50:09Speaker 07

  Big rushing attack.

• 50:10Travis Kelce?

  That's gotta be, that's gotta be NFL record.

• 50:12Speaker 07

  What was y'all's record by chance?

• 50:14Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, you said earlier, since we started on eight, that year we started at least 0 and 7.

• 50:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, I would figure.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  But, but, that year.

• 50:26Speaker 03

  The last game of the year, we went to Foxborough.

• 50:30Speaker 07

  Oh, this is the Tom Brady game.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  And we beat New England.

• 50:32Speaker 07

  Heyo.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  Somebody home field advantage.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  And the Super Bowl.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 50:40Speaker 07

  Is this Tom New England or is this?

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Uh, I think that was the quarterback. Yeah, I think that's who it was.

• 50:46Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. Was he mad at you? Shake your hand and tell you?

• 50:49Speaker 03

  I'm trying to think if he was still there when that. Yeah, that was his last regular season game in Foxborough, guys. Yeah.

• 50:55Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

• 50:55Speaker 07

  How was the handshake?

• 50:56Travis Kelce?

  I remember it.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  It's great.

• 50:57Travis Kelce?

  Kevin Harland.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:59Travis Kelce?

  Dual call, dual call there. He was calling our game and the, uh,

• 51:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a great call.

• 51:03Travis Kelce?

  Same time. It was crazy.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  You played in how many different systems? I know you played in nine different teams, basically, right?

• 51:09Travis Kelce?

  He didn't know that before this, by the way. Don't let him fucking lie to you. He did not know it was 19.

• 51:13Speaker 04

  We thought it was, honestly, we thought it was more.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 51:16Speaker 04

  We were taking the over on it.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  No, it was nine. Um.

• 51:21Speaker 07

  I'm just like, right now, we've listed, you should have been a guard. He played for like 20 teams. How do you feel about yourself today? Are you good, bud?

• 51:28Speaker 03

  I feel great.

• 51:30Speaker 07

  You have a guard body.

• 51:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. Long ago, I learned not to really care about what people say about me. So, you know, I, the thing is, though, I played on nine teams, but it wasn't like collecting three teams in a year. It was all, like, I started on nine teams. So, like, it was like, I, I played, uh, first couple of years, it was two years, two years, four years, and then legitimately, at the end of my career, it was like either one year, two year move in every year, every other year, which, I mean, as, you know, you have the, all the young kids and stuff, it's like, you think about, my wife, we have seven kids in seven different cities. And so, it's like, the amount of moving that we did, and they came everywhere I went,

• 52:12Speaker 03

  and then we had to pick up and go, okay, school, sports, you know, regular life.

• 52:17Travis Kelce?

  Were they homeschool? Were you homeschooling them or?

• 52:19Speaker 03

  No.

• 52:19Travis Kelce?

  Just making new friends.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  Just making new friends everywhere they went. So, yeah, now my oldest is getting ready to go to college, guys.

• 52:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, think about this. He told us this. I think he talked about this on one of our first podcast episodes, his kids, but 17, 15, 13, 11, 9, 7, and 5.

• 52:35Speaker 03

  Oh, no, you gotta, they all turned the next year.

• 52:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, so now we're even. 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, and 6.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, there you go.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 52:42Speaker 07

  Yeah. Is that crazy? Like?

• 52:44Speaker 04

  It's nuts.

• 52:44Speaker 07

  So, he read it off, and I go, wait, say that again one more time. You have what? What? 17, 15, 13? I'm like, holy shit.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  It's a lot.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  It's a lot of kids.

• 52:51Speaker 07

  Our first year in Thursday football, he brought them all to Chicago. And I'm like, dude, let's get some dinners like, like, let's go. And he's like, yeah, sure. Call the places that take 10 tops.

• 53:02Speaker 07

  Oh, my God, that's right.

• 53:03Speaker 04

  So we're getting pizza.

• 53:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:07Speaker 07

  We eat fast food. It's like, oh, okay.

• 53:09Speaker 04

  What was your favorite system to play in of all your stops?

• 53:12Speaker 03

  So Chan Gailey, strangely enough, like he, so he was a head coach in Buffalo for three years when I was there. And then when I got to New York, he was there. And then my second year in Miami, he was there. So I played with him for three different teams.

• 53:27Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  Kevin Patullo, who's now the coordinator in Philly, I had him two different places and he is a Chan disciple. And he's obviously done a lot of different things now. He's got some Texas A&M stuff and then obviously being with Sirianni for a while. But he'll have some wrinkles, you know, as you sit there and watch, I'll be like, okay, I recognize that play. I know that play. But Chan was always a spread them out, a left tackle's dream, you know, empty, spread them out.

• 53:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, baby.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  You know, spread the ball around, but I, I really liked him. And part of the thing for me was just like, he infused a lot of belief into me. And so that was why I liked him the best.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 54:06Speaker 07

  I think it's one of the coolest things on Thursday nights before the game, you get those couple hours before the game. Like him playing nine different teams, all these coaches that he's been around. I mean, it's just constant guys coming up, like, oh, he was, you know, quality control when I was in this place. He was this and it's just like, you're listing off head coaches, OCs, DCs. He's been around them all.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Luke Steckel, baby.

• 54:26Speaker 07

  I mean, it's crazy. Well, you're sitting there like, damn, when were you with him? And he starts listing it off, just the touch, you know, from playing nine different teams that he has across the league is wild.

• 54:36Speaker 03

  But you guys have seen it. It's funny when you have real young guys that are coaching, whether in Kansas City or Philly, and then they become head guys. And even like Jonathan Gannon, when I was in Tennessee, he was like the lowest of the low defensive assistant.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  But there are those guys that you peg and you go, okay. Yeah, he's gonna, he's gonna be something eventually.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  For sure. We actually, a guy we were with in college. How old was Jesse when he was at Cincinnati? Jesse Minter was the

• 55:02Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 55:04Speaker 04

  University of Cincinnati.

• 55:05Travis Kelce?

  I don't feel like Jesse's even getting older. He still fucking looks like, yeah, he still looks like a young guy, but.

• 55:11Speaker 07

  When I was at LSU, similar thing, Adam Gase and Freddie Kitchens were our GAs when I got to LSU.

• 55:16Travis Kelce?

  Freddie Kitch. Yeah, no, Minter was my, um, was, he was holding up the cards when I was, uh, how's the scout team QB?

• 55:23Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 55:24Travis Kelce?

  And tight end. I was running dual thing over there, just doing, just an athlete in it.

• 55:28Speaker 07

  I mean, just.

• 55:29Travis Kelce?

  Just pissing off everybody on the defense. I didn't run the route on the card back then.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  Shocker, back then.

• 55:38Speaker 03

  Do you ever run the route on the card?

• 55:39Travis Kelce?

  Well, that's how I knew that.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  How would you feel about that?

• 55:42Travis Kelce?

  That's, that's when I, that's when I figured out, I'm like, oh, they know this play. How am I gonna get open if they know I'm gonna run that route? I'm not gonna run that fucking route. I wanna get open.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  But I don't know.

• 55:52Travis Kelce?

  I gotta show these coaches I got what it takes.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't think people give, I don't think people give Patrick enough credit, uh, because it's not easy. It's not easy as a quarterback and, and you guys obviously have amazing chemistry, like some of the best chemistry in NFL history. Uh, for him to know where you're going to be and anticipate and it, it speaks a lot to probably the way you guys have worked in practice and over the years, obviously playing so much. But that is not an easy thing to do as a quarterback.

• 56:19Travis Kelce?

  I'll, I'll try it out in practice and if I get, either the ball doesn't come my way or.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:26Travis Kelce?

  And then I know not to do it again.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  Okay, we'll do that one.

• 56:29Travis Kelce?

  Or, yeah, exactly. Or I'm, yeah, I'm getting the ball right and right on time. That's kinda how, and Pat will let me know or he'll let everybody on this isn't just a me thing anymore. Everybody, if you're given a specific route versus a certain coverage, you kinda get a little bit of freedom and it's just, it's evolved over that. Well, you, have you ever just, somebody just ran the wrong route and you're like, god damn it, he's open and you threw it?

• 56:50Speaker 03

  All the time.

• 56:51Travis Kelce?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  Have you ever seen me play traps?

• 56:54Speaker 07

  His eyes were closed most of the time.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  No, I had, I did have, so there was a guy, Stevie Johnson, if you remember that name. Stevie was so sick. Yeah, and we just used to have the, I just used to give him the, the Y signal, which was you do you. So then it was like, all right, he's out there. By himself.

• 57:10Speaker 07

  Yeah. You do you. You do you. That's a new one right there.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Go route, hitch, slant, like whatever he wanted to do.

• 57:15Speaker 07

  Oh, but he singled up though.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  You didn't have somebody.

• 57:18Speaker 03

  He was single, so it's easier to do when you're in a three by one and you're the guy on the single side.

• 57:22Speaker 07

  You're not affecting anything else.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, that being said, you know, he always got open, so it worked.

• 57:27Speaker 07

  That was Stevie. Hey, Trav, you're not the only tight end to score a touchdown here, just in case.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  All right now.

• 57:31Speaker 07

  Wait, what? Oh, yeah.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  Little jumbo tight end?

• 57:34Speaker 07

  One for one, baby. All you can be is a hundred percent. Listen.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  You ever scored on your birthday?

• 57:41Speaker 07

  No.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  God damn it.

• 57:43Speaker 07

  On my birthday.

• 57:44Speaker 04

  Happy birthday.

• 57:45Speaker 07

  That's a huge, that's a huge indicator for defenses. You gotta know tackles.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  We had to play it at the end of your career, right?

• 57:51Speaker 07

  If it's the jumbo tight, if it's his birthday, high alert. Even better for Cincinnati Bengals in Pittsburgh, opening drive of the game. In the, did you guys win that game? You had to have. But the only, the only thing that is a cool step, and we still haven't ever looked it up, but I was the only offensive touchdown in the game. I don't know how many times the left tackle's been the only offensive touchdown in a game, but it was the opening drive of the game. I think Carson Palmer threw, he threw me a touchdown, but he also unfortunately threw two to the Steelers.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  He was thrown to a lot of the wrong positions.

• 58:24Speaker 07

  A lot of guys that weren't supposed to catch it were catching it in the game. You'll have to ask your buddy Ryan Clark about that one. Pretty sure he was supposed to be covering me. He was supposed to be, no, he ran up on the run.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  Let's just turn in, we'll take this height.

• 58:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm lost, Ryan. Sorry, Ryan, I gotta tell the truth.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, never had one, no.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  But when, when there's something late in your career, they scheme you up?

• 58:44Speaker 04

  They tried to give me a, like a gimme touchdown by having a tush push design where Juergens would come in and I'd take center. Uh, like quarterback snap.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, gotta report, gotta remember that.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  But you, so you had it schemed that you never ran it?

• 58:58Speaker 04

  Bad my last year, the second half of the season, because those plays are plays, it's like, hey, we're up seventeen or whatever.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  At the end of the game, let's get Kelsey touchdown. It's like, yeah, no, I never got that.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Didn't, yeah.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  We were getting our asses kicked, unfortunately. Wit, you played fifteen plus years, is that correct?

• 59:14Speaker 07

  Sixteen, yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  So it's fifteen plus? I don't know why you went with fifteen plus.

• 59:18Speaker 07

  They're working something in, I understand.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  How did you know it was time to hang it up? What finally clicked where you're like, you know what, now? That I'm 40.

• 59:28Speaker 07

  Honestly, probably the amount of meetings I would like wake up in, in the sense of not sleeping, but like just be on my phone and realize that everyone's like walking out of the room and I'd be like, oh, fuck, I listen to everything.

• 59:40Speaker 07

  What's practice today?

• 59:43Speaker 07

  Where are we going? But anyways, literally just you get to that point where I was sitting and then I'm like, you know what? I am not actually enjoying being in the building. Like, I'd love the guys, but I'm like, the whole day. If that's the case, I should have retired like 10 years. I became a skill player. That's really what happened. I became a skill player. You're used to the skill guys falling asleep in meetings and, and being on their phones and everything else. But I would just sit in the O line room and like, and like Cromer, one of the O line, whoever the O line coach is telling me to be like, Whit, Whit. And I've realized like, oh, she's been saying my name and like, yeah, what, what's up? Like, I have no idea what's been happening in here. And I realized, you know what, man? This is not a good look. Like, I'm kind of like, I'm checked out a little bit. I'm tired. Like, it felt like a grind every day to go into work. I loved the games.

• 1:00:27Speaker 07

  Like, I still even, when I retired, was like, I remember going to Sean's office, you know, a month after we'd won it and being like, I think I might, I'm thinking I might keep playing. And he's like, no. And I was like, okay. He's like, dude, as your friend, like, you've done everything you could have possibly accomplished.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:00:41Speaker 07

  And you know.

• 1:00:42Speaker 03

  He also won the Super Bowl.

• 1:00:43Speaker 07

  Two months ago, that's what I mean. He's like, two months ago, you knew you were done. Like, you'd, I'd already told him, like, this is it. He's like, you, you stick with your decision. Like, you're, you're good. And I was like, all right. And then six months after that, when they were three and nine, he was like, why the fuck didn't you keep playing?

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  We need you. Please come back.

• 1:01:01Speaker 07

  Uh, because they had like a, you know, horrific year with the offensive line injuries and stuff. So it really wasn't about me as much as that, but it was interesting. Like, you know, I, I, I knew it. And then when we went to those playoffs, it actually made it even sweeter because I knew it was it, but I didn't tell anybody because I wanted to just soak it all in. And then things just started happening. And I'll never forget, you know, watching Cincinnati make the kick to win and they're going to the Super Bowl and I'm running out on the field to play the Niners in the NFC Championship. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, this is crazy. Like, there's no way in hell. If Cincinnati's going to the Super Bowl, I'm going to the frigging Super Bowl.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Speaker 07

  Um, so to end. Your career playing against the only other franchise you played for in a place that's, you know, you obviously were a huge part of, uh, I couldn't have ever dreamed that would be the case. So once that happened, I was like, this is it.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  This is the story beginning.

• 1:01:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, this is it. And that's why I had kind of the epic moment with my kids there after the game to sit out on the field. And it was like, it wasn't even a celebration almost. It was like a just piece of, man, this was the ride and it's over. And it was like, sit down with them and like, man, this is about to be sick.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  Well, there's, there's nothing like telling you how much you're missing. You leave and the team struggles the next year.

• 1:02:08Speaker 07

  Yeah. Is that how you, is that how you felt?

• 1:02:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:02:14Speaker 07

  Week four, I was feeling great. Week four was a great year.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  What are you, Fatty? Uh, so I ended up, my, my last year I was in Washington and I had a, so 17 years, relatively healthy for 17 years. I broke my tibia, but other than that, didn't have a ton of injuries. I hurt my hip like 15 plays in to that game. And like for me at that point, I could have, I could still be playing right now. I could have played forever as a backup and just kind of been and get thrown into a game and, but, uh, hurt my hip. Wasn't a great injury to have. And then it's like, my kids are old enough now to where it's fun to be home and be more a part of

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  that as well. And the Thursday night gig, like having the weekends with the kids and not having to miss all the stuff that I missed over all those years. Cause you know, my span we're talking about earlier is six to 18. So it's like, the weird part about my kids is my 18 year old went to 10 different schools and my six year old, maybe will be in the same school district his whole life, you know, which is a crazy thing, but yeah. But it was time. It was time. Like, I feel like my kids. Deserved it for me to step away.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  It feels like you were very much celebrated in every stop you had. What was your favorite stop of the bunch? I feel like New York fans, Tampa, it definitely feels like Buffalo. It's still Buffalo, but.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would say there weren't a whole lot of stops, especially towards the tail end of my career. That I didn't love because we fully just dove in. We embraced the community like everybody embraced us. I would say certainly Bills Mafia and Buffalo is probably where I align most. Where I feel the most love, but I had, I love playing for Miami. I love playing for Tampa. I loved one of the two years in New York. But there, yeah, some great fan bases and great people that we met. Loved Houston. Like I'm going to forget some, you know? Like we, we had some, we had some great times. You know what was funny is Tennessee on paper, Nashville should have been the coolest spot. Man, it just, man.

• 1:04:29Speaker 07

  It was the number.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wore number four there. Wasn't real swaggy.

• 1:04:33Speaker 07

  You were pretty square. You were pretty square bodied. That was the old number two.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  Travel wasn't good.

• 1:04:40Speaker 07

  You wouldn't have approved of the fashion statement.

• 1:04:43Travis Kelce?

  As long as you got that beard rocking, man. You got the chest hair coming out. You're good.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  All right, here we go. Well, let's go to, we gotta ask.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  Oh, fun.

• 1:04:50Travis Kelce?

  This is how we wrap it up.

• 1:04:51Speaker 04

  You don't have to answer. We have to ask.

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  That's why it's called, we gotta ask.

• 1:04:54Travis Kelce?

  You could tell us to fuck off is what he's saying.

• 1:04:56Speaker 07

  Oh, cool. Yeah.

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  I mean, you could have always done that.

• 1:04:58Travis Kelce?

  Or you can just answer the question. Wit, is it true that you used to eat five Taco Bell salt tacos and five bean burritos before going on dates in college?

• 1:05:07Speaker 07

  Uh, that is accurate statement. I didn't embarrass myself in front of my date of how much I like to eat because I was a big boy.

• 1:05:13Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, big man.

• 1:05:14Speaker 07

  So I would run by Taco Bell. I would go through the drive through, crush in the parking lot. Like go in, get some smell good on, you know, like go pick her up.

• 1:05:25Speaker 07

  You don't want to smell like beans. So then I'd pick her up and like eat a salad like at dinner, you know, like a salad.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  Wow, this guy really takes care of himself.

• 1:05:30Speaker 07

  Wow, he's really, he's really on top of it. That was the goal. I didn't want to eat.

• 1:05:33Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 1:05:34Travis Kelce?

  This is great. Jason, what'd you used to do?

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  Huh? I didn't go on dates. All right, next question.

• 1:05:41Speaker 04

  Did I steal your bit taking my shirt off in Buffalo? Is it your bit? Or is this just a Buffalo bit?

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  No, I feel like it's been a bit from the beginning of time when it gets cold that men take their shirts off.

• 1:05:58Speaker 04

  In Cleveland, it happened all the time. There'd be guys in the dog pound, painted up and down.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  You know, that I still feel bad. That game, we were supposed to get together that game for the tailgate and I got stuck in traffic. We flew in that day and I got stuck in traffic.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  Bill's Mafia all over the place.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I was gonna show you around and didn't get a chance to, but I know you had a good time in the parking lot.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  I still want to go back. I'd love to go back with you.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:22Speaker 04

  I'd love to go back just in general because Bill's Mafia was spectacular. Big Tree Inn.

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:27Speaker 04

  That place was awesome.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, you hit it up?

• 1:06:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, it was good.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Well, but even where they're putting the stadium, stuff has kind of been condensed right now because of the stadium and what they're doing there. So next year, not this

• 1:06:40Speaker 04

  It's gonna be a better.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  Once, once that seat, that stadium is done, it's gonna be insane.

• 1:06:46Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 1:06:47Speaker 07

  I think filing cabinet pizza guy is my favorite. That pizza was.

• 1:06:51Speaker 04

  I didn't have the pizza.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  You went into the hammer lot, which.

• 1:06:54Speaker 04

  We were late to get to that. We were late to get to that. Like we got there pretty much when we were going to the game. So got to see pins around, got to get the bowling ball shot. I would love to go there though, earlier and get the the whole experience.

• 1:07:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, the filing cabinet pizza is.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 1:07:10Speaker 07

  Pretty special.

• 1:07:10Speaker 04

  It's a special place. It really like just engulfs you.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  It's a special place and you feel the vibe right away and that's it's called the city of good neighbors like for a reason, right?

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  It felt very, even flying in, and I'm talking to you about this, seeing the lake, it reminded me of being from Cleveland, even though you're not in Cleveland, like there's like something where like this like weird ominous vibe is in the air from the lake.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  The snow, it was special.

• 1:07:36Speaker 03

  We got, we had two years in a row. First year was Cleveland clinching playoff spot. It was so cool. The fan appreciation, everything. But then last year, it was Cleveland horrible, but the snow game with Jameis.

• 1:07:49Speaker 04

  So special.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  The fans in Cleveland are unbelievable. There, there's definitely a tie there between those two cities. And how diehard they are.

• 1:08:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Travis Kelce?

  So I'm in the lake.

• 1:08:01Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 1:08:02Travis Kelce?

  Big wit, you played for Nick Saban at LSU. Can you give us, you got any good Nick Saban stories you can share?

• 1:08:08Speaker 07

  I've got some really good Nick Saban stories, plenty of them. A lot of them involve him screaming, but I would say probably my favorite. My freshman year, Benny Brazil, one of my best friends in life and I were going, so Nick would do when the season ended. You would go in and have these one on ones with him and everybody had to plan your one on one meeting with Coach Saban. And Nick was a sports psychology guy. So his, he had the big huge chair, the little tiny chairs outside his massive desk. So, and the, you know, electronic door that opens with the button, the whole deal. So you'd go in there and you just feel, and he temple you the whole time he's talking to you, the whole deal. He's all into that type of stuff. So Benny and I are waiting in the secretary's office, just like waiting for him to put in, and we hear him like Nick episode,

• 1:08:51Speaker 07

  going crazy, losing his mind, screaming. Like, man, what, what freshmen's in there right now? Cause we're trying to think who did something recently, like got in trouble. Man, I can't wait to see who comes out of this office. Door opens up, he's hit the button. It's Skip Burtman, who is the longtime baseball coach who'd won like eight national championships or something at LSU. He was the, he was the interim or maybe just for a little while there, the athletic director.

• 1:09:15Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:09:15Speaker 07

  And he had like booked a game or scheduled a game or something had happened that Nick wasn't cool with. And this guy, I mean, this old man, we're like, Benny and I look at each other like, who's going next?

• 1:09:27Speaker 07

  Dude, we're like, oh no, like Nick's in one of these modes today. Anybody can get it. And that's how he was. But the coolest part about Nick is everything was for a reason. Like he was doing it. And even press conference, people saw him in Alabama, whatever, like. That was a lot of the time. He knew he was going to erupt on that reporter. He knew what he had planned to say or the speech he had planned to give. It's all thought out and and it's there's a reason behind it and that's who he always was. And so, once you kind of got to understand what he was really trying to get you to hear or what the example he was really trying to give you, you realize he's not that mean, he's not that hard on people. He's actually just always trying to teach a lesson every single day. And his sense of urgency is just rare. Like when you're around him, you're like, dude, we're gonna win because

• 1:10:10Speaker 07

  this dude's urgency to being great and chasing greatness is like, like nobody else's you've ever been around. So you started to like be less scared of him and more like, all right, what's he really trying to say? I'm just gonna ignore all the like fire and like, you know, he seems like he's trying to bite at you, but he's really not. He's really just trying to get you to listen to something he has to say.

• 1:10:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's awesome.

• 1:10:28Speaker 04

  Do you guys have any welcome to the NFL moments? What is your welcome to the NFL moment?

• 1:10:32Speaker 07

  My first two years, probably, but.

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  But my, mine was very.

• 1:10:35Speaker 04

  Might have been John Henderson.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  Mine was very, uh, wild, uh, coming out of Harvard.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:10:44Speaker 03

  I was the.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  NFL a little bit different?

• 1:10:46Speaker 03

  Fourth stringer, didn't get any reps. Back then, you weren't allowed to do, uh, OTAs and things until you're school graduated, right?

• 1:10:56Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  So like, I didn't get to do any OTAs. I got to do a rookie mini camp and that was it.

• 1:11:00Speaker 07

  That's bullshit.

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I played, I played a little bit in the preseason.

• 1:11:04Travis Kelce?

  Son, you're gonna have to graduate from Harvard before you can join the.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  It was until your class graduated.

• 1:11:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  Yes, I was still there. Yes, yes, but.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  But anyway, I was a fourth stringer. I was going up against the guy Jeff Smoker for the third string.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, Michigan State, right?

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  Michigan State, Smoke Show. Uh, I ended up getting the third string spot, but look, I didn't get any reps ever. Well, we are like, eh, 10, 11 weeks into the season. Mark Bolger goes down, so I'm the backup for the game. I get thrown in down 21 to nothing or 24 to three.

• 1:11:42Speaker 07

  Epic.

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  The first huddle I'm in.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  Orlando Pace, Isaac Bruce, Torrey Holt, Marshall Falk.

• 1:11:50Speaker 07

  Oh shit.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  My voice is cracking.

• 1:11:55Speaker 07

  I right slot zoom, big pitch left, X quick screen right. Oh my gosh.

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  Well, we ended up coming back and winning the game.

• 1:12:04Travis Kelce?

  Let's go. It's Magic style, baby.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  And then I think I, we like to say I officially ended the greatest show on turf. Cause I started the next few weeks and it didn't, yeah, it didn't go great the next few weeks. But that was my first, that was my first huddle. It was like, am I gonna be able to make it for a year or two? And then I'm in the huddle and those guys are listening to me, looking at me and I'm like, oh my God.

• 1:12:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  I didn't know what to do. Yeah, it was crazy.

• 1:12:30Speaker 07

  That's awesome. You know, I had to go in, obviously early in my 06, when I got there and got drafted, they had just signed Levi Jones, a left tackle back who'd been a pro bowler and Willie Anderson had signed an extension. And now arguably one of the best right tackles to ever play the game. And so I really thought when I got drafted, like, I'm not gonna play at all. Yeah. And sure enough, how the NFL works, our left tackle Levi, you know, blows out his knee, uh, week four of the season. And I'd only been playing like guard because they didn't obviously just pay their tackle. So they were like, hey, you're gonna play left guard this season as a backup. And we had Eric Steinbach who ended up going to Cleveland after that year. So I'm like, I'm not gonna play. Levi blows his knee out in the Tampa game. And so, or he got hurt before Tampa game. So I go in, they're like, hey, you're gonna have to play some left guard in this game possibly. So sure enough, Levi tries to play, can't do it. He's done.

• 1:13:15Speaker 07

  So Steinbach goes in, left tackle, and I'm left guard. We have a TV timeout and I see our O line coach like pointing down and he's like, I'm like, what's, you know? So I'm just trying to ignore him because I'm like, I think he's pointing at me to go left tackle.

• 1:13:32Speaker 07

  We're playing in Tampa. This is. I've had zero sense. Simeon Rice, like, you know, legendary Tampa game. Paul Allen. Oh yeah. And Paul's like pointing, you know, and sure enough, finally they go into Carson's headset and they go, hey, you know, hey, Paul says, you know, he knows you see him, like move, you're playing.

• 1:13:53Speaker 07

  I like move over one spot in the huddle, you know, like just regurgitatingly like when you take your kids to sit down. I like move over one spot and play left tackle the rest of the game. I didn't give up any sacks. I'm not gonna say it was pretty pretty. Uh, but I survived, right? Uh, it was Simeon Rice on the road and then the next week was my first ever start at left tackle. And it was Mike Rucker and Julius Peppers who at that time in the last, their, their two or three years together were leading the league in sacks. Um, so blanked them again, but it was one of those things where like all of a sudden you realize this is what the life is, you know? And I think my third, my second start was Terrell Suggs on Thursday night football or something like that in, in at home in Cincinnati. So, yeah, you start really realizing like, okay, wait a minute, every week I got one of these guys. Like, when do I get the easy guys? When's

• 1:14:35Speaker 07

  the LSU against the, uh, you know, division two?

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  Similar, well, not at all a similar story, but similar moment of my welcome to the F moment. Nobody really knew it happened, but me and the guy that I was blocking, right? Like, there were no sacks.

• 1:14:49Speaker 07

  That's how our life is, right? Nobody knows anything happens in our career.

• 1:14:51Speaker 04

  So I'm going into, I'm, I'm a rookie. I'm playing Dallas. They're running a three, four. So a lot of five oh calls and they got Jay Ratliff at nose guard. Quick little jukebox. And I never played a nose guard, head up, didn't know how to pass at it. Howard Mudd's trying to teach me at midweek and I'm like trying to figure this out. Cause most of those guys are in a three, four, they're just too gap. They're not even gonna rush. And I am having a rough one. Like, I don't know how I haven't given up a sack. He's beaten me for like four pressures.

• 1:15:19Speaker 07

  Who, who's the quarterback?

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  Uh, the quarterback would be Michael Vick. That's probably how it ended.

• 1:15:22Speaker 07

  There you go. There it is. Now we know.

• 1:15:26Speaker 04

  So I'm like, the game is three quarters over. I've been having an awful night and um, I get called for holding and I think it's a bullshit call. I'm yelling at the ref, that's bullshit. That's not holding. And I look over at Jay, I'm like, you know that I wasn't holding you? And he's like, son, I've been whooping your ass all night. I figured I earned one of those.

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  I guess I'm done talking today.

• 1:15:51Speaker 07

  As a young alum, and I feel like you get some very welcome to NFL.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 1:15:55Speaker 07

  There's no doubt. Hip tosses, just completely bowled, run over.

• 1:16:00Travis Kelce?

  Everybody check out the Fitz and Wit pod coming back during the season and we'll see you guys on Christmas in Kansas City, baby.

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. We'll see you in Tahoe.

• 1:16:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that, oh, nice.

• 1:16:11Speaker 03

  That's the American century.

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  At the American century championship.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  So sorry, yes. American century championship.

• 1:16:17Speaker 07

  That happens to take place in Tahoe.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:16:20Travis Kelce?

  Thank you, Jonathan. Kansas City brand, appreciate you guys doing that.

• 1:16:23Speaker 04

  Alrighty, and that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thanks for tuning in, you can subscribe to New Heights to at New Heights Show on YouTube or anyplace else you else get your podcasts. Yeah, make sure you subscribe on YouTube to the New Heights channel and follow New Heights in the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:16:49Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment, and New Heights is brought to you by Allstate. You're in good hands with Allstate, isn't that right, Jason? Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week, and thanks to our production and crew for always making us look better than we are. Ninety-two percenters, thank you guys. Fitz and Wit, thank you guys, god damn it. I got it, baby, you did it. New York.

• 1:17:22Travis Kelce?

  I'm looking at Jason's tits right now on PGA Tour.

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  He's trying to get the. Oh, my God. No, no, no. What about the 8 a.m. thing with your beater? When you had the wife beater on?

• 1:17:32Speaker 04

  That was bad.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Your tits were hanging.

• 1:17:33Travis Kelce?

  Do you shave your ribs?

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  It just rubs.

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  Do I shave?

• 1:17:36Travis Kelce?

  Do you shave your ribs?

• 1:17:37Speaker 03

  That's a t-shirt rub.

• 1:17:39Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:17:39Speaker 07

  That's friction from the shirt.

• 1:17:40Travis Kelce?

  Cause your tits are covered with hair, but your ribs are nothing.

• 1:17:47Speaker 04

  Listen, I don't know what part of evolution made my hair grow like that, but that's just how it happens.

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  You have hair on your inner thighs or no? Probably not, because of the rub.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  Mine don't look like that.