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We are getting ready for Championship Sunday but first Jason and Travis share their thoughts on the College Football Playoffs, the great TikTok blackout of 2025, and what rules changes Jason was willing to pitch Roger Goodell.
We also have a lot of football to talk about starting with Travis’ thoughts on the Chiefs advancing to their 7th straight AFC title game, his mentality when it comes time for the playoffs, and Jason’s candid opinions about the ongoing referee debate surrounding the Chiefs.
There’s also a breakdown of the rest of the divisional round with the Saquon running wild in Snow Bowl II, Jayden Daniel’s huge upset over the Lions, and Lamar Jackson coming up short against the Bills.
Also, find out which member of the New Heights team has a hobby horser in the family and just how long it took us to name Travis’ playoff beard.
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2:01 Speaker 02 Did you guys survive the great TikTok blackout of 2025?
2:05 Travis Kelce? That didn't affect me one bit.
2:06 Speaker 02 Didn't even know what happened. What app being banned would actually ruin your life?
2:11 Travis Kelce? Probably say like YouTube or Spotify or Wondry Plus or wherever you get your podcasts.
2:16 Speaker 02 That would be a big bummer for us.
2:18 Travis Kelce? That would mean I'm out of a job.
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3:08 Travis Kelce? Well, we're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my big brother, Jason Kelce. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S. Jason, tell the motherfucking people what we got coming up.
3:20 Speaker 02 Oh, boy. We had a great week of football that we're gonna dive into. That's right. Chiefs advance to the seventh straight AFC title game. That's fucking crazy. I mean, that is fucking insane. God, you guys are good. All right. Eagles dashing through the snow in a one Saquon away over the Rams we go. Winning all the way.
3:42 Travis Kelce? We're out of Christmas. We're out of Christmas.
3:44 Speaker 02 Eagles dashing through the snow against the Rams. We'll provide a bunch of championship Sunday discussions and more. And as always, though, we're gonna get a little bit to that new news. New news is brought to you by American Express. Yeah, we got to get into the college football championship that happened this past Monday. Ohio State Buckeyes. That's right. National championship back in the Buckeye State as they are the winners of the 12-team college football playoff. Was the 12-team format a success? Did it go too long? I think both of those can have different answers. Did it go too long? Yes.
4:25 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
4:25 Speaker 02 Too long to me. But I'm also, I just don't like the, I don't like the playoff thing being that long for college. I don't know why. Maybe I'll get used to it, but it was very hard to stay engaged through the whole college football playoff.
4:38 Travis Kelce? Just go six teams.
4:39 Speaker 02 But here's the problem. Both of the teams that won it.
4:41 Travis Kelce? Two buys.
4:42 Speaker 02 Both of the teams that won it weren't in the top six, right? Both of the teams that were in the championship were what? Seven and eight, right?
4:49 Travis Kelce? Seven and eight, eight and seven. How about that?
4:51 Speaker 02 Hey, so I mean, if it's a success to figure out who the best team is in football, then I think it worked because it allowed all of the big teams to compete in it. But that said, I don't like it still, even though.
5:09 Travis Kelce? We're just old school kind of guys, man. We just like shit how it used to be. And I don't know, I'm kind of with you. But at the same time, I did enjoy all these college football games. I did enjoy watching meaningful football being played and kids out here, you know, fighting for their, their team to go a step further in the playoffs, be crowned champions. I did enjoy it.
5:33 Speaker 02 I will say, I can't remember a less exciting national championship though. I mean, just a complete ass kicking.
5:40 Travis Kelce? You hate to see it. You hate to see it. I mean, especially between like literally the battle of Cleveland in my book. When you grow up in Cleveland, Ohio, you either love Notre Dame or Ohio State or both.
5:53 Speaker 02 No doubt.
5:54 Travis Kelce? It was a funny feeling, at least going into it for me. On top of that Freeman being a ex Ohio State Buckeye.
6:02 Speaker 02 Yep. Cincinnati Bearcat coach, right?
6:04 Travis Kelce? Yeah, yeah. So he was, he was there when, since he went to the, the college football playoffs themselves.
6:11 Speaker 02 You know, Ryan Day was with me in Philadelphia for one of Chip Kelly's seasons and now Chip Kelly is the OC for Ryan Day at Ohio State.
6:19 Travis Kelce? Did not know that. Wow. So Chip Kelly got a.
6:22 Speaker 02 Got a national championship. That's right.
6:24 Travis Kelce? He went to the, I was at the, damn, I didn't even realize this is why I gotta watch more TV. Well, shout out to Chip Kelly getting himself a ring and shout out to Ohio State Buckeyes, man. I got a bunch of, a bunch of friends that were super stoked that Ohio State went for the field goal at the end to make sure they covered the spread and.
6:46 Travis Kelce? Something that the Chiefs did not elect to do in the game against the Houston Texans this past weekend.
6:53 Speaker 02 That is always, that is one of the things, man, with like the sports gambling that
6:56 Travis Kelce? Dude.
6:57 Speaker 02 These end of game scenarios where it's the right thing to do and then people.
7:00 Travis Kelce? So crazy. We had a legit bad beat like SVP and Stanford Steve always loved to do those bad beats, man. That is as bad of a beat as you can think of. A safety with 40 seconds left in the game.
7:18 Travis Kelce? Just to go to the other side of the spread.
7:21 Speaker 02 Dude.
7:22 Travis Kelce? Hilarious.
7:23 Speaker 02 I had um, big wit in the suite for the Eagles versus Packers. And when Saquon slid, missed his bet. He would have gone over or whatever. I don't even know what.
7:36 Travis Kelce? Was it? Yeah, whatever the parlay or whatever it was. Yeah.
7:39 Speaker 02 But it just like, you could see it just like, just crushing.
7:44 Travis Kelce? No.
7:47 Travis Kelce? And it's so sick how Vegas always knows. They always know it's right. It's gonna be this way or that way at the end. Ohio State goes up three fucking touchdowns or whatever it was. And all of a sudden it's that right at the end of the game. It's right at eight to like 10 points. Are you kidding me? It's right in between those two numbers? Either way, it's absolutely hysterical.
8:07 Speaker 02 The NFL scripted, you know that?
8:09 Travis Kelce? Well, that's why you gotta give them a story to write, man.
8:13 Travis Kelce? Gotta give them a good story to write. You had Roger on last week talking about it.
8:17 Speaker 02 All right. Shout out to the Buckeyes.
8:19 Travis Kelce? Speaking of Roger, Goodell on late night.
8:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, baby.
8:22 Travis Kelce? Jason, you had our, you had our big dog Roger Goodell, a friend of the show on, they call it late night.
8:27 Speaker 02 That's right. Every NFL player's dad.
8:30 Travis Kelce? He all but confirmed the NFL will move to an 18 game in season.
8:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, I don't think he can technically confirm it because I think it has to be voted on by the owners. But I think everybody knows. I mean, everybody knows this is where it's headed. 17 games doesn't make sense. There's like more away games than home games some year for some teams. I think that the 18 game season was a foregone conclusion when they went to 17. They went to 17 to see how it felt.
8:56 Travis Kelce? Well, we did get some rule updates. Uh, Roger's still out on including hockey fights, which big bummer over here, but Ocho Cinco, uh, wants DPI to be 15 yards instead of a spot foul.
9:09 Speaker 02 First of all, I love that Ocho Cinco is trying to make the game more fair for defensive players because it feels like that's the complete opposite direction. As a receiver, I would not expect him to say something like this.
9:22 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
9:22 Speaker 02 But I wonder if there's a way to have DPI similar to face masks where depending on how overly egregious the DPI is, it's a 15 yarder or it's a spot foul. Like if you've straight up tackle a guy, that should be put at the spot like you, that's bull crap. But if you're just like hand fighting and it kind of happens like in the play, I kind of feel like that should be 15 yards. Does that make sense?
9:47 Travis Kelce? Um, I hear what you're saying. I think it's
9:50 Speaker 02 I think it would be impossible to officiate.
9:52 Travis Kelce? I think all of this is fine the way it is.
9:55 Speaker 02 All right. Fair enough.
9:55 Travis Kelce? I think defensive holding is only five yards. That's kind of like where it balances out. Um, offensive holding is 10.
10:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, we gotta get rid of offensive holding just in general. The defense can hold.
10:07 Travis Kelce? Psycho. You're insane. Bo Allen wants, uh, hitting the crossbar on a field goal to be worth four points. A doink is actually good.
10:17 Speaker 02 I'm very out on this rule.
10:19 Travis Kelce? Yeah, I don't know where Bo was going with this, but it was good to see him in the suite after the game.
10:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:24 Travis Kelce? Honey Bobo.
10:25 Speaker 02 Honey Bobo.
10:26 Travis Kelce? Miss my guy, man. It's always fun watching him on the late night, man.
10:29 Speaker 02 He's, uh, he's brought a lot of energy and juice to it.
10:31 Travis Kelce? As he always does. Shout out to Goodell and everybody and, uh, you guys always killing it. Can't wait to see this week, brother. You wanna, you wanna pump it? You got any good, you got any good guests this week or?
10:42 Speaker 02 Uh, we got Ryan Clark.
10:43 Travis Kelce? Hey, nice.
10:45 Speaker 02 We got Jameis Winston.
10:47 Travis Kelce? Oh, yeah.
10:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, baby.
10:49 Travis Kelce? Famous Jameis.
10:51 Speaker 02 And then we got my man Jim Gaffigan.
10:54 Travis Kelce? Jim Gaffigan?
10:55 Speaker 02 Yes.
10:56 Travis Kelce? Are you fucking kidding me?
10:57 Speaker 02 I'm excited for all three.
10:59 Travis Kelce? Awesome, dude.
11:00 Speaker 02 Do you know, do you know, do you know he played offensive line, I believe in college?
11:04 Travis Kelce? I mean, goddamn, it makes sense.
11:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, right?
11:07 Travis Kelce? A lot of the offensive linemen are some of the funniest motherfuckers I know.
11:10 Speaker 02 Dude, he is, and he's right up there with one of the funniest dudes ever. Yeah. I've been a fan for a long time. Are you getting a pre-show speech from Jameis?
11:21 Speaker 02 I don't know, Brandon. I'm trying to, we haven't figured out the full gambit of the content, but we got some, we got some fun things lined up.
11:29 Travis Kelce? You always do, but he sure does get the fucking people going when he does that.
11:32 Speaker 02 Something else that got the people going was TikTok being banned for 15 hours. That's right. You would have thought all of the internet lost their mind. Did you guys survive the great TikTok, TikTok blackout of 2025? Didn't even know it happened. I'm not on TikTok.
11:47 Travis Kelce? Knew it happened, didn't give two shits about it. Shout out to everybody on TikTok that needs it to make money and does a great job of, uh, you know, promoting themselves or their business on there. Yep. But that didn't affect me one bit. I'm an Instagram, Twitter guy. I don't know. It is what it is. I got off Facebook a long time ago and haven't looked back since.
12:07 Speaker 02 Facebook, what, what happened? How did Facebook go the route of MySpace? What happened to that?
12:12 Travis Kelce? Well, they let all the old people on. They let our parents get on and our parents, you know.
12:18 Speaker 02 Pretty true.
12:18 Travis Kelce? Started telling everybody how they felt.
12:20 Speaker 02 They would have just kept it a college kids. You have to have the college URL. That's how you first had to, had to get on.
12:26 Travis Kelce? You gotta have the, the college email. Yeah. That was the only time I ever used it. I never used it.
12:33 Speaker 02 I used my college email for a good 10 years after leaving University of Cincinnati and then found out that it was not working anymore.
12:41 Travis Kelce? Yeah, I think they, they move on.
12:43 Speaker 02 They cut me off.
12:44 Travis Kelce? I didn't know how to log in.
12:46 Speaker 02 Well, that's a problem.
12:47 Travis Kelce? That is, that is a problem unless you let it work for you instead of against you. Although it did work against me when class was canceled and I just showed up to class for no fucking reason. Shout out to, shout out to TikTok.
13:00 Speaker 02 What app being banned would actually ruin your life? I don't know that any of them.
13:04 Travis Kelce? Say probably.
13:05 Speaker 02 Maps?
13:06 Travis Kelce? I'd probably say like YouTube or Spotify or Wondry Plus or wherever you get your podcasts.
13:12 Speaker 02 That would be a big bummer for us.
13:17 Speaker 02 That would really suck.
13:19 Travis Kelce? That would mean I'm out of a job.
13:24 Travis Kelce? All right. That's it for new news brought to you by American Express.
13:29 Speaker 02 All right. Let's move on to some bold topics to wrap up the divisional round of the NFL playoffs. Starting with Chiefs 23 Texans 14. Triumph. Woo. How does it feel to be going into your seventh straight AFC title game?
13:45 Travis Kelce? It feels good, man. One game and you get one game and you get to punch your ticket into the Super Bowl, man. Fuck. It's a
13:52 Speaker 02 It's right there.
13:52 Travis Kelce? It's one of those scenarios you dream about in the beginning of the season to be able to do this. And we've been fortunate enough to do this for seven straight years. I've had a heartbreak. I've had triumph. I've, I've won and lost this game multiple times. So it's a, I know exactly how to attack this thing and you just got to attack it a day by day and not peak too soon and, and you know, circle the wagons, baby. It's going to be a tough one against the Buffalo Bills.
14:17 Speaker 02 I don't think people realize how fucking crazy this is. Seven straight times. You have been one of the top two teams in the AFC. It's just mind blowing that this has happened this much. And it's a testament to you guys, obviously. Is it just expected you're going to go to the AFC championship?
14:35 Travis Kelce? Yeah, I mean, I put that, I put that on myself every single year. Yeah. It's either that or I'm a failure.
14:42 Speaker 02 Oh, okay.
14:43 Travis Kelce? Nothing in between.
14:44 Speaker 02 Well, that's a hell of a way to live your life. It's working out so far.
14:48 Travis Kelce? And it has nothing to do with, I don't care if I'm the MVP of the league, which I'll never be, or which I've never been up for, but it doesn't matter what you do individually. It's all about what the, what your team does at the end of the day.
15:00 Speaker 02 I don't care if I'm the rushing league title, like if I'm the rushing yardage champion.
15:04 Travis Kelce? It's all about what your team does. And we, in Kansas City, we set those expectations for ourselves.
15:10 Speaker 02 This game was also Andy Reid's 300th career win.
15:13 Travis Kelce? Big red.
15:14 Speaker 02 How about that?
15:15 Travis Kelce? You hear what he said?
15:16 Speaker 02 What'd he say?
15:17 Travis Kelce? He said, we get a few more and actually match my weight.
15:20 Speaker 02 I wonder how many more.
15:24 Travis Kelce? So I'm here to get him a few more and match his weight.
15:27 Speaker 02 He's got a little bit skinny. I think he's under 300 now, right?
15:29 Travis Kelce? Yeah, he looks great. He does look great. Um, I have no idea how much he weighs, no. But I thought it was a pretty good bit that everybody should hear because Andy Reid, even though he's one of the greatest coaches ever in 300 career wins is absolutely insane. He still finds a way to brush it off and have fun with it. That's why I love the guy.
15:47 Speaker 02 Andy's the greatest. Playoff Yeti. Let's get to the real thing. You wore the right cleats again and you finished with seven catches for 117 yards.
15:55 Travis Kelce? I wore them just for you, just so you could thrive, just so you could thrive right now.
15:59 Speaker 02 There is nothing more that I love knowing that I'm still having an impact on the field by telling Travis to wear the right cleats.
16:09 Travis Kelce? Red dye, baby. Makes me look way faster, doesn't it?
16:12 Speaker 02 Dude, you gotta get some.
16:13 Travis Kelce? So much quicker. I can really outrun everyone, can't I?
16:16 Speaker 02 Get those new ones. It's not so much speed as it is the, the, the, all right, anyways, uh, so.
16:25 Speaker 02 Why did the playoffs bring the best out of the Yeti?
16:27 Travis Kelce? You know, I would, I wish it was just a switch that I could say that's, it's time to go and I'm ready to play. That's not what it is. It's throughout the year, we try and play our best every single week. Every single play, I'm trying to, I'm trying my hardest. I'm doing everything I can to help my team win throughout the week. And over the course of a season, I think that we have a method and, and, and a formula from Coach Reed that we just gradually get better as the season goes on. And when we go into the playoffs, we're playing our best football. At least that's the effort. That's the focus. That's the determined like mindset to be able to play your best at the end of the season.
17:02 Speaker 02 Right.
17:03 Travis Kelce? You know, every, it's everybody on the same page. Everybody, you know, doing their part. And when the ball's in our hands, we make plays when, when we're called upon. And, and I was fortunate that I had seven to eight chances to, to make a play. I failed on one and had a ball slapped out of my hand. Early on and, uh, and you know, from that point on, I felt like I could get a rhythm and get going here. But at the same time, it's, it's just football, baby. There's never a time where I'm, you know, holding back and I gotta, I just, I gotta make sure I keep some things in my back pocket. It's not that. I say, I'm always competing my ass off, man.
17:39 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think um, I also, you guys had 23 days off from your last game, at least the starters did, uh, most of them.
17:48 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
17:48 Speaker 02 Before this game.
17:49 Travis Kelce? Some, some of that helps, some of that helps at the end of the day.
17:52 Speaker 02 It would hurt you guys a little bit. I feel like offensively, your guys' timing was off. The first like two or three drives, you ran some plays that felt like, ah, there's a little bit of rustiness there. But I feel like with, for guys like you, for guys that have been in the league for a long time, I know I always appreciated the rest.
18:08 Travis Kelce? Hell, yeah.
18:08 Speaker 02 You know what I mean? Like, it means more for the older guys.
18:11 Travis Kelce? That's what you're playing your ass off in the regular season for, is to get that rest going into a stretch, uh, and, and, and being able to get that one seed, or being able to get a playoff berth, uh, under your belt so that you can maybe miss that last game, you know? Whatever, whatever the situation is, you try your ass off throughout the year to get that opportunity and get the honor of being able to kinda, you know, take those weeks to get healthy.
18:35 Speaker 02 Let's watch this touchdown catch you had, because I just, the styling and profiling by you was awesome as well. Go Pat, up!
18:43 Travis Kelce? Pat, Patty Mahomes pushes the pocket, has the strength, the, to fight off a 300-pound man while throwing an absolute dart in the back of the end zone.
18:54 Speaker 02 Why you gotta look at, uh, Shaire like this?
18:58 Travis Kelce? I, I, listen, I'm just in the moment. I, I got a lot of respect for Shaire.
19:02 Speaker 02 There's some personal there. There is some personal there.
19:05 Travis Kelce? Nothing personal there. Stop doing that. I don't, I don't have vendettas against people for no fucking reason. He's never done anything to me. He's a great competitor.
19:13 Speaker 02 He is a great competitor.
19:14 Travis Kelce? And all that is, is just me having fun playing football, dog. And sometimes, you know, in the playoffs, you play with a little bit more emotion, a little bit more aggression, and, uh, and a little bit more swagger. And I, I, I went on Stephen A.'s, uh, show last week and told everybody if I got in there, I'd swag it out. And, uh, sure enough, this is just how I did it, man.
19:33 Speaker 02 Well, you also had this catch for 49 yards.
19:36 Travis Kelce? Yeah, that was the first catch I had. This one was just, um, making plays.
19:40 Speaker 02 Come on, look at them red shoes. Come on now. Haha. Oh, yeah, red shoes. Yeah.
19:48 Travis Kelce? Yeah, the red shoes really helped me when Zaire went for the strip. Yeah, I mean, it's, uh, you play a little bit better when nobody's guarding you. And, uh, that's the beauty of the NFL.
20:00 Speaker 02 It's always good. They went with a blitz on this, right? Is that where my Pat saw it?
20:04 Travis Kelce? Yeah, they went with a nickel blitz. The nickel blitz on top of that, when they rush five less defenders on the back end, you got two guys running with the flat, uh, nobody over the middle of the field. And, um, you just run and replace. Pat was right there in sync with me. It's a day one install play. So you can play really fast. That's why, that's why coach loves dialing up those things and good football, man.
20:26 Speaker 02 Big play, big play. The whole world was, uh, talking about something else during the game. And I'm sure you saw some of this, but they were complaining about the refs again, Trav. Even Lil Wayne, Lil Wayne, I hate the cheating ass Chiefs. It's going ass with two Z's.
20:40 Travis Kelce? Shout out to Doonchi, man.
20:44 Speaker 02 Colin Saunders had a rebuttal. He said, uh, literally folks will see shit like this and say, yep, just like I thought. Refs versus the Texans. Bro, the Texans left the all time leading playoff receiver, wide booty butt naked open for four quarters.
21:01 Travis Kelce? Just hearing you say that.
21:03 Speaker 02 And yet the Chiefs needed those calls.
21:05 Travis Kelce? Wide booty butt naked open. They did. They left me butt naked open.
21:10 Speaker 02 And I forgot to mention them boys at eight sacks, eight. CJ couldn't even scratch his ass for a good second before he was getting sacked. We need to get Colin on the podcast. This guy's fucking hilarious.
21:22 Travis Kelce? Oh, man. As you know, the D line and O line rooms in the NFL, that it's the pure comedy. Shout out to Sir Bank.
21:29 Speaker 02 And you guys were getting after CJ. I mean, CJ's offensive line wasn't great all year. That was the big thing that was kind of holding them back. He was getting hit quite a bit all season, but the Chiefs got after him a bit extra hard. 14 quarterback hits, nine tackles for loss, eight sacks, one blocked field goal again.
21:46 Travis Kelce? Leo Chanel.
21:47 Speaker 02 What do you think about the two ref and the passer calls?
21:50 Travis Kelce? I'd like to plead the fifth.
21:51 Speaker 02 Can I, I can comment on it though, right?
21:53 Travis Kelce? Of course.
21:54 Speaker 02 I think the second one was completely just like absolutely ridiculous, right? I mean, he didn't even get touched. I don't know. They just missed it.
22:01 Travis Kelce? He definitely got touched.
22:03 Speaker 02 I could see what they saw, but I don't think it was really that much forcible contact to his head. I think it was like, it looked like it was, but it didn't look like it was. In slow motion, it was that much, but I understand why they called it. Just thought it was a bad call. Let's talk about a pregame fits. Trav, you went with the shorts and it was, I mean, that wind was fucking cold.
22:22 Travis Kelce? Pregame fit, you're talking about the walk in or like when I was warming up?
22:26 Speaker 02 That shit was cold as fuck.
22:28 Travis Kelce? It was not. The sun was out and regardless, it's like, I got a hat on. I'm keeping the wind off my ears. My legs don't get cold because I'm a hairy son of a bitch.
22:37 Speaker 02 Well, that wind, I don't care what you say, that wind was gusting and it was a blowing and it was a chiller.
22:43 Travis Kelce? Well, you gotta understand, I'm going out there. When I do these warmups, I'm going out there for 10 minutes max.
22:48 Speaker 02 Good point.
22:49 Travis Kelce? Like I'm going out there to gauge it. Like if it's, if it's super snowy or super like rainy and super cold, like I might throw a hoodie on just to like get the sweat going, but for the most part, I, I really don't care what the weather is in warmups. That being said, I didn't put anything else on for the game, but
23:10 Travis Kelce? whatever it is, I mean, the cold is the cold. I'm, I'm going to find a way to stay warm on the sidelines, whether I got a jacket or I'm sitting on the heaters or I'm running up and down the sideline to keep the blood flow going and the body loose. Like I'm going to do what I have to do. I'm not worried about what the weather is and how I'm going, how it's going to affect how I play. I just go out there and play my fucking game.
23:28 Speaker 02 I felt the same way when I used to play. I didn't really get cold, but I'll tell you this, being an analyst on the sideline, it was, it was cold. Especially when you sit down and your pants roll up and your ankles are exposed.
23:38 Travis Kelce? Got to get some socks bud. You got some longer socks.
23:41 Speaker 02 Actually I had, I had wool socks and I had boots on, but the area in between the pant leg, it still rolled up on me. That was cold. That's cool.
23:48 Travis Kelce? Got to get your tailor work on that.
23:50 Speaker 02 I don't know what to say.
23:53 Travis Kelce? Well, Jason, uh, we got a good one from Ron Rodney, uh, La Croix. I think that's how you say that name. Uh, Jason looks like the guy you hired to get possum out of your attic.
24:06 Travis Kelce? Which I thought was absolutely hilarious because outside of like the, the, what do you call it? The, um, the jacket and the hat, like coordination, it's the yellow gloves that give you, this guy can fucking just round up some, some rodents.
24:22 Speaker 02 Well, I went with the yellow gloves because a lot of times Trav, you'll go with the yellow gloves, but you, you didn't do that on this one.
24:27 Travis Kelce? You can't, you gotta know, if you're calling me out for going and I gotta go red cleats, I gotta go red gloves. I can't just.
24:32 Speaker 02 Oh.
24:33 Travis Kelce? Yeah, I hear.
24:36 Travis Kelce? You want me to go yellow cleats this week?
24:37 Speaker 02 Go yellow, but go with that kind of yellow, not like the, the other kind of yellow.
24:42 Travis Kelce? What?
24:44 Speaker 02 Don't do like the, the other, uh, Jordan yellow. I don't know how to show the cleat that I'm talking about.
24:51 Travis Kelce? I only have one cleat, yellow cleat.
24:54 Speaker 02 Don't go with this kind of like color. It's gotta be full. It's gotta be full.
24:59 Travis Kelce? Full yellow. All right. Got it. I don't even know what you showed me, but I hear you saying full yellow. I got you.
25:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:04 Travis Kelce? All yellow.
25:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:06 Travis Kelce? On it.
25:06 Speaker 02 But also maybe just keep wearing the red ones because they're working and I don't know what the yellow does like.
25:10 Travis Kelce? Player makes shoes. Shoes don't make the player.
25:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. Tell that to your feet when they start fucking hurting and they don't work very well.
25:18 Speaker 02 I had to go back into this old ass cleat for the last four years of my career.
25:22 Travis Kelce? It's because you were in Under Armour, man.
25:24 Speaker 02 Well, I went, I was in Nike, then I went to Under Armour, then I went back to Nike and then Nike made these awful cleat. The bottom of the new Nikes is just so fucking terrible. And so I went back to an old Nike cleat. And I tried the Jordans, but they were too soft. It was like running in sand. So I went back to the old like Nike cleats. And then I got my acceleration back.
25:45 Travis Kelce? Nice. Shout out to Nike.
25:47 Speaker 02 Did you meet the Rizler?
25:49 Travis Kelce? Did you meet the Rizler?
25:51 Speaker 02 Did I meet him? I didn't meet him. Who's the Rizler?
25:54 Travis Kelce? There you go. He didn't meet him, folks.
25:56 Speaker 02 Is that the Rizler? This kid?
25:58 Travis Kelce? Yeah, the kid.
26:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:01 Travis Kelce? Yeah. He's big on TikTok, I think.
26:03 Speaker 02 Oh, nice.
26:04 Travis Kelce? TikTok went down, so he had to show up at the game.
26:07 Speaker 02 That's huge.
26:08 Travis Kelce? Shout out to the Rizler, man. He's just, he's just a young chubby kid, man, just like me. Just a sports fanatic.
26:15 Speaker 02 LeBron stats, Travis Kelce's 14th straight playoff game with 70 plus receiving yards. That is the longest streak in NFL history. The second longest streak in the NFL history is seven. The second longest active streak is two. In other words, Travis Kelce is fucking killing the postseason. Great LeBron stat.
26:33 Travis Kelce? There you go. 70 yards.
26:37 Travis Kelce? Chris Berman, the Swami himself, he interviewed me before this one and told me that including my playoff yardage, I have over eight miles of receiving yards.
26:47 Speaker 02 Eight miles.
26:48 Travis Kelce? That's pretty cool.
26:49 Speaker 02 That's pretty damn, pretty damn awesome.
26:51 Travis Kelce? It's insane.
26:51 Speaker 02 How's it feel to be right behind Jerry Rice? The only players with 2,000 plus receiving yards and 20 plus receiving touchdowns in the postseason.
27:00 Travis Kelce? I mean, I'm, I'm right there with him at this point and it's a pretty goddamn cool feeling. That being said, for whatever reason, man, you know, you set these goals and these like statistical accolades that you want us, that you want to meet. When you first get into the league, you're just like, man, I want to be in the conversations with the greatest ever. And the most yards and the most touchdowns and all the guys that you look at that are at the top of that list. Like you feel like, like that's what's going to make me satisfied and that's what's going to make me feel like I've done it.
27:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:33 Travis Kelce? While you're in it, I just, I'm just not satisfied with, you know, what I'm doing. I feel like I have this mentality and this, this mindset week in, week out, year in, year out, to just be better than what I was the previous day.
27:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:46 Travis Kelce? You know, I think all these stats and accolades and everything, they'll, they'll be cool when I'm, when I'm done playing. I'll be able to look back on everything and say, nice, man, that was what I fucking edged in the, in history. And, um, right now I'm just, I'm so focused on beating the Buffalo Bills right now, man, that I
28:05 Speaker 02 Hell yeah.
28:06 Travis Kelce? I could really care less about passing any of Jerry Rice's records and, and you know, shout out to Jerry Rice. I'm not saying that because of, you know,
28:13 Speaker 02 Jerry's the man.
28:14 Travis Kelce? Downplaying that, you know, he's the fucking goat. And even if I do pass his records, I'm still going to consider him the greatest to ever do it, you know? Like what, like it's, it just is how I, it's how I feel about these kinds of things of just never being satisfied, man. And as I look over the course of my career, I've just never felt like that. I've never felt that I've made it feeling. It's always just been, what can I do better? What can I do next? And what I can do next is, you know, win another AFC championship.
28:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, I get it. And you're focused on, uh, team goals and you guys are one game away from going to your. Another consecutive Super Bowl. There was somebody that cared about the LeBron stats, and that was LeBron. LeBron James tweeted, "Congrats, brother."
28:58 Travis Kelce? See, now this is, this is, this is, this got me going. This is.
29:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, right. Sometimes this is why the LeBron stats matter, because then LeBron tweets about you. "Congrats, brother. NFL record for most 100 yards receiving in the playoffs. Nine games." Ba-da-boom. Fire. NBA James, three of them. And a salute. Ooh, you got a salute?
29:18 Travis Kelce? Yes, sir.
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30:01 Travis Kelce? Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.
30:16 Speaker 02 That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.
30:25 Travis Kelce? Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.
30:32 Speaker 02 And the entertainment. Latin music, ice skating, full-on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?
30:41 Travis Kelce? You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.
30:44 Speaker 02 I love a water park.
30:45 Travis Kelce? But the crazy one? Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship. Not for the faint of heart, brother.
30:54 Speaker 02 They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.
31:03 Travis Kelce? All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
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31:31 Speaker 02 Let's keep moving on to some of these other games, Trav. Congratulations. Good luck this week.
31:35 Travis Kelce? Thank you, brother. Eagles 28, Rams 22. Moving on to a little snow game in Philly. Jason, you were at this magical snow globe.
31:43 Speaker 02 I was.
31:43 Travis Kelce? How, uh, how, uh, well, I was talking to you earlier about it. You said it kind of reminded you of the 2013 game you had.
31:49 Speaker 02 Little bit. I mean, it, the 2013 game was snowing from the get go. What was unique about this one is if you go back and watch the first half, it's like nada, fucking fleck of snow. It all just like started coming down randomly.
32:00 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
32:01 Speaker 02 And then by the time it's the third and fourth quarter, it's a full on goddamn blizzard. Like it was intense. It was cool. And the Eagles have already, I think, maybe even said publicly, at least it's being alluded to, that they want to go to a retractable dome because they want to be able to like host Super Bowls. They want to be able to have events year round in the next stadium they build. And I just am so much against the dome. Like, I think that snow, rain, that's one of the things I love about football is that the elements play a factor and they play the factor in this game. So I thought it was awesome. I love snow games. I was also in a box, so I didn't really have to deal with any of it. But it was awesome to watch from outside the window. Highly a big fan of the snow game.
32:42 Travis Kelce? Well, the irony about the 2013 game and this game was that the Eagles were playing Matthew Stafford in both games.
32:49 Speaker 02 That's right. That's right.
32:50 Travis Kelce? And the Eagles came out on top in both games. Shout out to Matty Stafford, man, our guy.
32:55 Speaker 02 Hell, yeah.
32:56 Travis Kelce? Fellow friend and man, what a fucking competitor that guy is. Are snow games the best type of football game, though?
33:02 Speaker 02 I think so. I think snow is, it just makes everything magical. It has this way of putting everything, especially when you're playing in it. But also as a spectator, like, I don't know, it just.
33:10 Travis Kelce? It does just make it more dramatic and just more like, just a fun atmosphere, doesn't it? I mean, we played Buffalo up in Buffalo and it was snowy and we're getting pegged with fucking snowballs at the end of it.
33:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:22 Travis Kelce? And I just, I, there was something. Thing about, I don't think if it's as snowy as it was and you know, built up like excitement for the fans going in there paying, getting paid $20 an hour just to, you know, clear out the snow. I think it makes such a cool element for certain stadiums and certain like, uh, teams that I, I, I think it has to be like the best like atmosphere to play in. It's the only one that kind of uplifts everybody if it's the right amount of snow, I guess.
33:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, it just has this way about it where it just feels like it's almost like whimsical and like, it's awesome. I love snow games.
33:57 Travis Kelce? Where did you get this? What is this? This throw? This like poncho? Is that? So it's blanket material though. That's not poncho material.
34:06 Speaker 02 Oh, it's poncho. I got it in LA. It's definitely not NFL licensed because it was from a guy named Chang on Venice Beach Boardwalk. I'm not even making this up. Bro, we had a whole bit for the late night show that we ended up not doing because of the, the fires that are out in LA. We didn't like, it didn't feel right anymore. The comedy behind it.
34:23 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
34:24 Speaker 02 But I ended up making friends with one of the shop owners down there on Venice Beach.
34:28 Travis Kelce? And this was what he had for you?
34:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, he scammed me into paying a hundred dollars for this poncho.
34:32 Travis Kelce? A hundred dollars?
34:34 Speaker 02 I knew it was wrong, but I'm like, I gotta support Chang, you know? I knew there's no chance, but you know what? This guy's out here trying to scam people, make a living. I get it.
34:41 Travis Kelce? Fuck it.
34:42 Speaker 02 Yeah. So I did it. Whatever.
34:43 Travis Kelce? Nice. You're a good guy. That's all I saw. You didn't get scammed. You knew exactly what you were buying.
34:48 Speaker 02 Well, he tried to scam me. I didn't knew, I just went along with it.
34:52 Travis Kelce? Yeah, that's not getting scammed. I just want, you just wanted to help a guy out.
34:56 Speaker 02 It's true.
34:56 Travis Kelce? There's nothing scammy about that.
34:58 Speaker 02 Well, he, he was scamming. I wasn't scamming.
35:00 Travis Kelce? Well, he was scamming or he just knew that he could hit you at the right spot.
35:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
35:08 Speaker 02 He's like, there's a big whale over here. He's got a big old pocketbook.
35:11 Travis Kelce? Oh yeah. And I could hit him where it hurts.
35:15 Speaker 02 I bought three other ones for a hundred dollars and then I had people sign them and then I sold those for $200.
35:24 Travis Kelce? And that's, that's how you didn't get scammed.
35:27 Speaker 02 I became the scammer and then I took the money back. I told them, I took the money back to Chang. One day that video surfaced, it was gonna be epic.
35:35 Travis Kelce? So good. The biggest combo going on in the game was Rams rookie, uh, Jared verse talking that shit. And, uh, I mean, he was backing it up. He was backing. He was having a, he was having himself a hell of a game, but after every single play he made, he made sure that the Eagles fans saw him and heard him, um, as he was running to the sidelines. But a pregame quote though, I hate Eagles fans. They're so annoying. I hate Eagles fans. When I see that green and white, I hate it. I actually get upset. I actually genuinely get hot. I get, I, and being, him being hot is like him being, uh, furious.
36:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. He's from like an hour or two north of Philly, I think. At least that's where he went to high school.
36:18 Travis Kelce? So he gets it.
36:21 Speaker 02 Just embracing it. Listen, he played pretty dang good for being honest.
36:25 Travis Kelce? Yeah, he backed it up.
36:26 Speaker 02 Their D line played better than I thought they would. I mean, I think, um, the Eagles offensive line is very good. They have a good D line as well in, with the Rams, but I thought the Eagles O line was really going to block them pretty handily because of how good they are. And that was a good matchup all game long. I mean, they, they brought the heat. They ran games. Well, they, you know, I, I think, um,
36:48 Travis Kelce? The rookie getting banged up, uh, I think slowed him down. Yeah. And man, that dude is good.
36:53 Speaker 02 Yeah. And he, and Fisk runs a lot of the games really well. He's got a knack for running those TEs and everything. He sets things up for other guys. So he's a big part of what they do up front.
37:02 Travis Kelce? I will say this though, being a Chiefs player my entire life, going to your games, I've gotten some fun banter with the Eagles. I think, I think Eagles fans get it. I think they, they know, they want to make, they, they, they arguably do love it. Like they love, they love, they want somebody to come in and talk shit to them.
37:24 Speaker 02 For sure.
37:24 Travis Kelce? They want it to be a rowdy and like, almost like a, like a fight mentality. Like I fucking hate you, you hate us. Like, let's do this.
37:32 Speaker 02 There's like, we're going to talk shit, but then there's also like, kind of like at the end of the day.
37:35 Travis Kelce? There's some respect at the end.
37:36 Speaker 02 Kind of respect that a little bit, being a dickhead, but fuck you.
37:39 Travis Kelce? Exactly. I think there is a, there is a little bit of that. So the Eagles putting it on the Jumbotron before the game.
37:46 Speaker 02 I didn't see that.
37:46 Travis Kelce? I saw that. I thought that was pretty clever. Make sure the Eagles knew that that was the guy.
37:50 Speaker 02 Hey, in case you missed this.
37:52 Travis Kelce? Yeah, exactly.
37:53 Speaker 02 That guy said this before the game.
37:55 Travis Kelce? Yep. But I think, I think I've learned to appreciate the Eagles fans for that. And I've also been lucky that my brother is one of the best Eagles to ever play the fucking game. So that makes them kind of appreciate my family a little bit more. So we have more of a mutual respect for each other. But yeah, Eagles fans, they, they want you, they want you to do this kind of stuff. And I think, I don't know, maybe, maybe Jared knew that coming in because he was, grew up not too far away.
38:23 Speaker 02 Well, he, I think he did know because he said this after the game. He said, after the game, I was walking to locker room, they were throwing snowballs at me. They bleed green and white. I like that they stand on it. They don't shy away from it. My phone was blowing up the last two or three days. All I was seeing was, yeah, we embrace it. We love that. And I'm like, okay, I got it. So I think he grew up on the East Coast. He knows what the deal is. This is just kind of the way it works. I loved every second of it. And clearly, I mean, it got the most out of him. I thought he played pretty damn well.
38:50 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
38:51 Speaker 02 Really, the Rams as a general played pretty well. I thought the, the elements affected them quite a bit. And the other guy that played really well was Saquon.
38:59 Travis Kelce? Let's talk Saquon then. Finished with 26 carries, 205 and a touchdown. Broke off TD runs of 62 and 78. God damn. The guy's just absolutely taken over every fucking game he's in. He seems to be unstoppable and a force that you just gotta weather. You can't, you can't fucking stop this thing. Let's, let's see both of these clips though. I want to see both of these to the house. I mean, speed kills, especially in the fucking snow. Looks like this is the 62 yarder. This is the first one. Very similar to the, to the in-season touchdown that he had against him.
39:31 Speaker 02 Interesting is that, can you go back to the start of this? Both of these plays, I believe, are inside zones that hit front side. Typically, that play has a tendency to roll behind it.
39:41 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
39:42 Speaker 02 Good job by Cam. God, that was a great block.
39:44 Travis Kelce? Technically hit the, hidden the A gap. So it hit where you think it would.
39:47 Speaker 02 Yeah. But I mean, normally it rolls behind the center.
39:50 Travis Kelce? Yeah, it stays on that hash.
39:52 Speaker 02 Actually, that might not have been it. That was a strong side inside zone.
39:56 Travis Kelce? Yeah. Great kick out block by my guy Dallas Goddard.
39:58 Speaker 02 Was that even inside zone? Go back to this. Let me see.
40:01 Travis Kelce? This guy, who gives a shit? It's 100% inside zone.
40:05 Speaker 02 Right?
40:06 Travis Kelce? Yes. Outside zone, the running back takes three steps past the midline. Come on, Jason, you know this.
40:13 Travis Kelce? God damn it, I'm doing this to the damn demo. The second clip, though, came at one of the most crucial points in the fucking game. Fourth quarter, five minutes to go. Now, this is an inside zone.
40:25 Speaker 02 This is an inside split zone. The tight end's whacking back. Landon Dickerson does a phenomenal job. They're going out to this overhang player. He bangs the guy that he thinks he's going to end up blocking out on top of the tackle. As that outside backer folds back in and then tracks him on the front side of this. And then Cam Jergens has a huge block as well.
40:46 Travis Kelce? Yeah, I was about to say, what screws that kind of stuff up is, I mean, very similar, just hand the ball off and let him just find the crease.
40:53 Speaker 02 He just has a knack for finding his way on these plays. He really does.
40:58 Travis Kelce? What I like about this, though, is that Jordan Malata kind of hangs in there. He doesn't get too much depth.
41:03 Speaker 02 They could have very easily got thinned out right there.
41:06 Travis Kelce? And now two guys are blocking one.
41:08 Speaker 02 We would, uh, Stat would call that asparagus. When all of a sudden the outside guy kind of folds in behind. Like, it's not like a design game. He just kind of like flows naturally in behind the other D tackle.
41:21 Travis Kelce? Why are we calling it asparagus?
41:23 Speaker 02 I don't know, because he didn't know what to call it. I think it's literally why he called it asparagus. I don't know what to call this. Call it asparagus. So then he just called it asparagus.
41:33 Travis Kelce? It can make sense. It's asparagus because that's what we call it.
41:38 Speaker 02 But Landon does such a great job of knocking that out, tracking his guy, blocking. How many? He blocked him near three people in that play. And then Cam Jergens has the hard job, held up with the nose, and he just does a fantastic job. And this thing goes for a big one. This was kind of the game sealing run. Not kind of, it was.
41:55 Travis Kelce? Well, you say it was the game sealing run, but the Rams definitely had a chance.
42:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, they had an opportunity. They did.
42:01 Travis Kelce? They definitely had a chance and it got, it got.
42:03 Speaker 02 I shouldn't say that. It wasn't the game sealing. They had a, they had an opportunity at the end.
42:07 Travis Kelce? Huge momentum booster, though.
42:09 Speaker 02 Huge run. Saquon, obviously another unbelievable game against the Rams.
42:13 Travis Kelce? 200 plus yards, man. This guy's running for 200 plus in the playoffs. Holy shit. Do we know that's the guy we need to stop?
42:24 Travis Kelce? Are we, are we, are we locked into our IDs?
42:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:27 Travis Kelce? Are we playing our gaps? Easier said than done, obviously, with that type of offensive line, tight ends, the way the, the wide receivers are in there in the run game, how they, how you, how the Eagles spread everybody out with the RPOs. And then on top of that, the way Saquon can just set up fucking blocks and absolutely knife the defense and hit the holes and speed, confidence, bulldozer, break arm tackles. I mean, he's got, he's, he's been doing it all and he's playing confident, man.
42:52 Speaker 02 I think there's such an underrated part of his game is setting blocks and being able to, his vision, I'm telling you. I don't, we didn't, we never got a chance to witness it with the Giants because the line just wasn't that capable, to be honest with you.
43:07 Travis Kelce? Well, they were dealing with injuries, it felt like every single fucking year.
43:10 Speaker 02 I guess, but I'm just letting, like, him behind this offensive line and watching him able to manipulate blocks, hit plays front side that I didn't think were, like, nobody I've seen do that. Like, there was a same side run I bring it up all the time where he, he gets in, then he gets back out. He's just got an insane feel for the game.
43:28 Travis Kelce? You want to be good at running back, figure out how the linemen are taught to block this play.
43:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
43:34 Travis Kelce? Don't just go out there and just be like, give me the ball and I'm going to just run through the A gap or the B gap. Figure out how guys are being blocked and how, and how the scheme is, is like supposed to be.
43:45 Speaker 02 When I also, like, I've never talked to this with him, but I feel like the best backs I'm, I've played with, similar to the way you play tight end. Like, you, you have like your first read and your second read when you're running a play, but I feel like you do that kind of when you're practicing. When you're in the game, I feel like a lot of it is just like natural feel for how the game's being played and what is happening in front of you. You're not so narrowed in. There's so many guys I play, I run outside zone with where like they run to the first read. It's like, brother, there's a cutback. Back lane like two steps ago. Why didn't you just hit that shit? You know what I mean? And it feels like he's just got that. He's got that ability to see it.
44:26 Speaker 02 And I wonder if he's just like doing that all on instinct and natural ability in the game as opposed to like, I don't know. Does that make sense?
44:35 Travis Kelce? No, 100%. Yeah. You gotta have a feel for the game. Understand the structure and the scheme, but you still have to have a feel for the game and then be able to go out there and, uh, and just play ball, man. And, uh, and that's what he's doing right now, man. He's playing the, the best ball of anybody right now with the running back position. As an O line, what is it like when you know you're blocking for a guy who can break it at any time?
44:56 Speaker 02 I don't know that I, I mean, I probably had one. Yeah. I mean, I play with some really good backs. Ryan Matthews was an underrated back. Obviously the Sean McCoy was the best one I played with.
45:07 Travis Kelce? Fresno State.
45:08 Speaker 02 Darren Sproles. Like I play with some big play ability guys. And to me, I don't think you really ever are blocking, thinking about that big play. Now it might be different because Saquon's had so many of them this year, but I was always just like, hey, just block it till the whistle. And then you just knew and when you had a big play like that, it was such a momentum shift. Like it's just like a, it is a huge, huge, uh, just like great feeling for the entire unit. And then you just get to go walk off to the sideline and you're like, yeah, that's, that's fun. Let's go do that again. I'll do that as many times as I want. I don't gotta grind out a 15 play drive. Yeah. Let's just have those big ones. That's fun.
45:47 Travis Kelce? Shady McCoy, uh, tweeted out, my boy going for 200 yards again.
45:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, baby.
45:54 Travis Kelce? As he added Saquon, uh, I mean, he just knew, he knew what kind of day it was going to be and that, uh, Saquon is just in the zone right now.
46:01 Speaker 02 Well, and you know this Trav, but the snow is to the benefit, in my opinion, at least to the running game. Because the, the defensive line is the ones that have to make a play. They're the ones that have to go out of their way to beat an offensive player. We get to sit on double teams. We get to just plod forward. The defensive guys have to be the ones that cut and make a play where Saquon, if he just hits something at a hundred miles an hour. A guy to try and go like regain his footing, get over there, tackle like, I always feel like whenever it's raining or snow, the run game is going to be more impactful in the outcome of the game.
46:40 Travis Kelce? I think I'm, well, if it's a snow game, I'm going to have a big game.
46:45 Speaker 02 As a pass catcher?
46:46 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
46:47 Speaker 02 So maybe, oh, why do you think that?
46:49 Travis Kelce? Um, well, one, you guys, Pat Mahomes can sling that ball to anything. It doesn't matter if it's rain, sleet or snow. Uh, but also I'm heavier than the DBs, which means my feet are going into the ground more, which means it's not so much ice for me as, and on top of that, I grew up playing hockey. I know how to even run on ice.
47:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:08 Travis Kelce? So I feel like I have the upper hand.
47:10 Speaker 02 So you just have a more acclimatized?
47:14 Travis Kelce? I can move, I, yeah, just a more acclimatized game.
47:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, snow neutralizes speed to a certain extent.
47:19 Travis Kelce? Oh, yeah, baby. That's all I need. Everybody just come on, slow down just a little bit for me, baby.
47:24 Speaker 02 Yeah, come on down to this, remember we, we used to play Yukon and the Yukon used to grow their grass out longer? Just to slow the game down and make you play their frigging power football.
47:34 Travis Kelce? Bears do it, the fucking, yeah, Green Bay does it.
47:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, smart.
47:38 Travis Kelce? Smart. If you don't have fast guys.
47:41 Speaker 02 That's right. If you have fast guys, make that attract me. All right, anyway, shout out to Saquon and, uh, LeSean McCoy for being the best snow running backs I've ever seen.
47:49 Travis Kelce? Well, it wasn't just, yeah, it wasn't just the offense that was, uh, that was firing, man. Jalen Carter.
47:53 Speaker 02 Bro.
47:54 Travis Kelce? Arguably the best game of his career, maybe. Five tackles, three QB hits, two sacks, PBU, forced fumble. I mean, what else is the, that's the stat stuffer right there. He hit just about every defense outside of an interception. Uh, in a fumble recovery, he had just about every defensive statistic you could possibly, uh, hit.
48:12 Speaker 02 It was insane. I mean, he, and he made all of these huge plays and really important parts of it. The forced fumble, uh, the sack, obviously on the third and two, right, uh, before the last play of the game for the Rams.
48:24 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
48:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, he had so many huge plays. Yeah, I don't know which one you would kind of narrow it down to, but I think it was, nobody impacted the game more probably on either team than Jalen Carter.
48:37 Travis Kelce? Straight up.
48:37 Speaker 02 Outside of maybe Saquon.
48:39 Travis Kelce? No, I'm with you. Um, the sack on third and two at the end of the game, it's like me sitting in the middle of the fucking field wide open. You gotta block the biggest guy on the fucking field, guys. Um, and I, you would rather have two on them than, than none.
48:53 Speaker 02 So he kept doing this, like he kept slanting down inside. How was the game plan? With the game on the, on the line, not the double Jalen Carter. I don't know how that's not the gameplay.
49:06 Travis Kelce? Yeah, dude, I get it, man. Football's a hard game, man.
49:09 Speaker 02 I mean, I'm happy about it, but.
49:10 Travis Kelce? It's a hard game.
49:12 Speaker 02 It's not that hard. I mean, they made it harder for themselves. Secure that D tackle first, especially when he's fricking Jalen Carter. I just, that blew my mind.
49:19 Travis Kelce? It's a weird sense that a lot of great defensive linemen have. They feel this like leverage point where you're, you're, you're giving them too much pressure.
49:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:30 Travis Kelce? The moment you get too much pressure and you get just a little bit off balance.
49:34 Speaker 02 Yep.
49:36 Travis Kelce? Yeah, fucking swimming you. They're fucking ripping, they're spinning, they're using the momentum and the strength you have against you.
49:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:43 Travis Kelce? The great ones just have an ability to like, put somebody in a mental blizzard all day by, by playing with the speed, the power, the, the hands and, and the juke moves, man.
49:54 Speaker 02 So the biggest thing I'm trying to do against him is first of all, double team him. I'm, I'm doing everything I can. Whoever is blocking to at least put a hand on.
50:02 Travis Kelce? Where's the mic?
50:03 Speaker 02 At least put a hand on.
50:04 Travis Kelce? The three technique is the mic today.
50:06 Speaker 02 Even if you gotta block this guy over here, drag. Do not just go straight out there. We ain't fucking doing that today. All right. And if I gotta go over here, I'm gonna drag for you. That's how we're gonna do this. We're not gonna give this guy space.
50:17 Travis Kelce? A drag for the non-football heads is what?
50:19 Speaker 02 If I'm going away from him, I'm not just gonna go away and do my assignment. I'm gonna stick my hand out to limit the amount of space that that guy has to work with.
50:29 Travis Kelce? There it is. You're gonna limit the space. Nice.
50:31 Speaker 02 And the tackle can do that, the center can do that, or the guard can do that, depending on what technique he's in. But I'm limiting space. I'm, I'm applying, I'm trying to get him before he gets going. And I'm getting ready if I, when I quick set him for that quick hump move. That's what I'm trying to think about in the back of my head. And then after that, he's gonna beat me nine times out of 10 if I'm not double him anyway, so.
50:52 Travis Kelce? I was about to say, just fucking.
50:53 Speaker 02 Hell, yeah.
50:55 Travis Kelce? That's the, that's the call.
50:58 Travis Kelce? Let's move on to the rest of the game. Shout out to the Eagles and good luck next week against the commanders. And speaking of the commanders, rest of the games commanders 45 lines 31. No one in the world thought that the commanders were going to come out on top in this one.
51:13 Speaker 02 I mean, I'll be honest. I think Scott Van Pelt, SVP, he's kind of a commanders homer because he's from the area.
51:19 Travis Kelce? He's a Washington guy. Yeah. He's that D of the area.
51:21 Speaker 02 I have not thought the commanders were ready for this all season. I feel like I always felt like they were a year away. Even with the rookie quarterback playing great, it just felt like they don't have as many talented guys as you would want. And they continually do it. They just have continued to play better. I think Dan Quinn, and this is not like a fucking groundbreaking take. What Dan Quinn has done up there with that defense has been nothing short of remarkable. I think he is having those guys play so great right now.
51:51 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
51:51 Speaker 02 It was a huge get getting Bobby Wagner this offseason. I really feel like that's accelerated. The vision of a lot of things happening out there on defense.
51:58 Travis Kelce? That's the guy. That's the guy that's making it happen.
52:00 Speaker 02 So the Eagles played the commanders last time in the first game. And they had almost 100 yards rushing, not the first, the last time they played in the second year. The Eagles almost had 100 yards rushing. Maybe they did have 100 yards rushing in the first half. And when they ran this counter play and it was there, they had a huge hit on it. Then all of a sudden you saw them adjust to it. Bobby is screaming over the tight end couldn't block him. Like he had no chance on the Y block, the double team block to collect Bobby Wagner. He kept beating him. Deron Payne started looping outside of lane and making the play.
52:32 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
52:33 Speaker 02 They adjust so well to what you're doing on the day. They listen to calls really well. I felt like they did that well in Dallas when Dan Quinn was down there. Everything he does, they're not overly complicated on defense, but he gives those guys freedom to make plays. He coaches them well. They play. If you have any type of like tendency that's going to give the play away, run pass, what run it is, formation tells, anything, they are going to sniff it out and they play so disciplined across the board. That being said, I mean, Yeah, their offense, I mean, they were the reason they beat the Lions. They just, they weren't stopped. They put it one time. They went for it on fourth down a bunch, but.
53:16 Travis Kelce? Which they got a bunch of fucking, you know, veteran proven guys on that side of the ball. Zach Ertz.
53:23 Travis Kelce? You know, the offensive line, veteran offensive line, two Super Bowl champs over there.
53:28 Speaker 02 Allegretti.
53:28 Travis Kelce? Allegretti and Andrew Wiley, baby.
53:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
53:31 Travis Kelce? On top of that, they got guys like Eckler is a very savvy vet. And I think they got a lot of guys that, that, that have that confidence of I've been doing this a very long time. I know how to win. I know how to have success and I know how to be accountable. And then you mix that in with a young quarterback that's very confident. Does the work, understands a great scheme under Kingsbury. I mean, it makes sense and they, he's got wide receivers all over the place. Making fucking big time fucking plays.
54:01 Speaker 02 Yep. I mean, obviously McLaurin's the biggest one, but they still got Zach Ertz out there.
54:05 Travis Kelce? Ertz is making fucking big plays, big third down, big in the red zone.
54:10 Speaker 02 They're a well-balanced offense. They run the ball really well. We were talking about Eckler. He's a great third down back. He does some good. He'll have some good runs too, but Brian Robinson gets north and south very well. Jaden Daniels with the reads. And then all of a sudden, if you want to stop that read stuff, you gotta sneak somebody down in the box to take it away. And then they throw it over your head. They just, they, they are very conducive offensively.
54:35 Travis Kelce? Conducive, nice.
54:36 Speaker 02 Is that the word I'm looking for?
54:37 Travis Kelce? Sure.
54:38 Speaker 02 They're very.
54:39 Travis Kelce? I like the way you sold me.
54:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, they're very complimentary offensively. And I think Kingsbury is doing a phenomenal job right now.
54:50 Travis Kelce? Somebody's in there for Thoruth. No, seriously, the, uh, they're, they're, they're hitting on all cylinders and I'm not gonna, the Lions were fucking hitting on all cylinders too, man. That was probably the funnest of, of the three games, the other two games that I watched or three games that I watched.
55:06 Speaker 02 For sure.
55:07 Travis Kelce? That one was just nonstop action. It ripped my fucking heart out seeing Coach Campbell go down and, um. And that Lions team was super fun to watch, man, but the commanders, they earned that one, man.
55:20 Speaker 02 And what's particularly rough about the Lions losing this one is they're, they're losing Ben Johnson. He's, he's going to Chicago. It's already been stated. Uh, which shout out to Chicago way to get a hell of a coach.
55:30 Travis Kelce? See.
55:31 Speaker 02 I think Aaron Glenn has said that he might leave. So this lie, this was like the last year of this group, including that coaches to kind of get it done. And they just got so decimated by injuries, even as an NFC fan, I think everybody was kind of like, man, it would be kind of cool to see the Lions go with the Super Bowl this year.
55:51 Travis Kelce? Yeah, no, I didn't think it was that cool.
55:53 Speaker 02 I think everybody kind of feels for, you know, what they went through as a team and I don't know, man, it just sucks.
56:00 Travis Kelce? Losing does suck.
56:04 Travis Kelce? You think the Bears, you think the Bears offensive lineman are like, dude, fuck yeah, we get fucking Ben Johnson, dude, I'm about to start scoring some touchdowns.
56:13 Speaker 02 They got some athletic tackles now.
56:15 Travis Kelce? I was about to say some hooking laterals to their fucking tackles.
56:18 Speaker 02 Their right tackle, I remember when he was coming, I'm trying to remember his name. Oh my gosh, but he's, he can run now. He's got some, he's a pretty athletic dude. God damn, what's his name? Uh, Dare D, something with a D.
56:33 Travis Kelce? D's.
56:34 Speaker 02 Nuts.
56:37 Speaker 02 Don't know right, right? Yeah, don't know it.
56:38 Travis Kelce? Don't know right, right?
56:39 Speaker 02 Yeah. Speaking of Ben Johnson going to Chicago, there are fans out there, especially Lions fans, that are upset about them interviewing for other jobs. That's right.
56:48 Travis Kelce? Why?
56:49 Speaker 02 I, I think there's a perception from fans that you can't prepare your team as much as possible and interview for these coaching positions.
56:55 Travis Kelce? Erroneous, erroneous on all accounts.
56:58 Speaker 02 We dealt with something similar in Philly when we lost to you guys with Jonathan Gannon, who had went to Arizona. I think there was more involved with the Gannon thing, but I always felt like it was a reach.
57:08 Travis Kelce? I lost Doug Peterson. I lost Matt Nagy. I lost.
57:12 Speaker 02 I was about to say all the best coaches.
57:13 Travis Kelce? Eric Bienniumy, Mike Kafka, four out of. Basically, every offensive coordinator that I've ever had has gone somewhere else and we've still had success. You can't, you, you have to give those guys the opportunity to be, to better on their careers, to strive for, for like a new position. That's the, that's the honor of being one of the best in the league is that everybody gets an opportunity to take that next, that next step if they get it. I don't think it's the reason why the Lions lost. Their offense put up 31 fucking points.
57:46 Speaker 02 Had 500 plus yards of offense.
57:48 Travis Kelce? Like what, like that wasn't it. And by any means, Ben Johnson put together a great fucking game plan. Bills 27, Ravens 25. The, uh, the last of the four playoff games. Did it live up to the hype? Of course it did.
58:01 Speaker 02 Yep.
58:02 Travis Kelce? Two of the best, uh, quarterbacks in the league duking it out, um, for four quarters in the snow, man. Doesn't get more magical than that.
58:10 Speaker 02 No, it doesn't. It was an awesome game. Obviously came down to that last drive. Everybody's talking about the Mark Andrews drop because obviously that was a two point play that would have tied it up.
58:18 Travis Kelce? Fuck, man.
58:20 Speaker 02 I will say this, even before the drop, I was thinking in my head, like they scored way too fast. There was over a minute 30 left.
58:29 Travis Kelce? You can't control on how fast you score though.
58:32 Speaker 02 Yes, you can. Yes, you can.
58:34 Travis Kelce? You gotta just fucking score, man. When you can get a touchdown, when you need a touchdown.
58:40 Speaker 02 When you need a touchdown, you need a touchdown, you gotta score. All I'm saying is.
58:42 Travis Kelce? Need to tell you, you need a touchdown and a two point to tie.
58:44 Speaker 02 Let's say Mark, all I'm saying, Mark Andrews catches that pass. What happens?
58:48 Travis Kelce? You give yourself a chance to, for your defense to get a big stop.
58:52 Speaker 02 No, I'm just saying, what do you think would have happened? I'm not, I'm not saying they did the wrong thing. I'm not saying that.
58:57 Travis Kelce? Not gonna play would have, could have, should have.
58:59 Speaker 02 I will. I think the Bills would have gone down there, kicked a field goal anyway. I'm just trying to say Mark Andrews catching that pass wouldn't have mattered.
59:04 Travis Kelce? I would have loved to see what the Bills could have done, uh, with it tied up like that. You know, it's good fucking football.
59:09 Speaker 02 There's no question. Everybody wanted, yeah.
59:11 Travis Kelce? I, I like to see everybody like playing and showing their best. Yes, thriving.
59:16 Speaker 02 One of my favorite playoff games I've ever witnessed was you guys playing Josh Allen and the Bills in the infamous comeback game with the 16 seconds or wherever the hell was left on the clock. Cause it felt like everybody was playing so well.
59:27 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
59:27 Speaker 02 Like Josh was playing great. Pat was playing great. That's fun football to watch. You don't ever want to watch. Something like that end up being the deciding factor in the game, in my opinion. It's just not as fun to watch.
59:38 Travis Kelce? I'm with you.
59:38 Speaker 02 Either way, though, outstanding season for the Ravens and Bills are going to be coming to Arrowhead next week.
59:46 Travis Kelce? A lot's going to be said about how, uh, how the Ravens quote unquote, lost that game, but the Bills fucking showed up.
59:53 Speaker 02 For sure.
59:54 Travis Kelce? The Bills did it. The Bills, the Bills played their tails off 27 points against that Ravens defense is fucking, is damn good.
1:00:01 Speaker 02 The Bills, yeah, the Bills were fantastic as they've been all year, especially towards the end of the year. They freaking have come on really strong. It's been inspiring watching the way this team has come together. You know, I think Josh Allen after the game, uh, you know, you could tell, man, they feel like they've been doubted heavily this year and they were. I mean, there was a lot of players on the offense that people had not heard of that have showed up and have risen to the occasion.
1:00:26 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
1:00:27 Speaker 02 They play very complimentary football with the run game with James Cook and a lot of the misdirections. The backs are really active in the passing game. Uh, the defense showed up big. I mean, Derrick Henry, uh, didn't have a bad day, but he didn't have the big day that he did the first time around when they played these guys and credit to those guys and Sean McDermott for figuring out a way to slow that Russian attack down a little bit. Overall, this was an awesome game between two of the best teams in the NFL and, uh, kudos to the Bills for sure.
1:00:56 Travis Kelce? Yeah. And I'm excited, man.
1:00:58 Speaker 02 We're going to get a great one this weekend.
1:01:00 Travis Kelce? It's going to be, I, you know me, I love going up against the best, man. The Bills are just as good as anybody in the fucking league right now. So
1:01:07 Speaker 02 Yes, they are.
1:01:07 Travis Kelce? I'm excited for it to be championship Sunday at Arrowhead, baby.
1:01:11 Speaker 02 Let's go.
1:01:12 Travis Kelce? Well, let's go ahead and talk about some, uh, some previews for Sunday. The NFC Championship commanders at Eagles. Uh, Jason, got any like keys to the game or just like right off the bat? Do you, what is, have you ever played a team three times?
1:01:25 Speaker 02 Yes, I played the New York Giants three times the year that we went to the Super Bowl against you guys.
1:01:30 Travis Kelce? What, what is that like? I've never played a team more than twice.
1:01:34 Speaker 02 It feels weird, especially when they've been three meaningful games. Like the one game we had against the Giants was kind of like we were resting guys a little bit into the playoffs. Whenever you play a team twice, you know how this works. Like you, the first game plays and you see what you did well, what they did well. You go into the next game prepared to either keep doing what you did well, or like, you know, hey, be ready for this. If they do this again, this is how we're going to react. And now you're doing that for a third time. And it's like, man, they know exactly what we're going to do and what our counter is. So it's always interesting to see how teams respond to a third game against each other.
1:02:09 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
1:02:10 Speaker 02 I think the Philadelphia Eagles, defensively, the key to the game, you gotta stop the rushing attack. This team, I know Jayden Daniels is a great quarterback and he's known to push the ball down the field, but I really think a lot of it is set up with the ground game, Brian Robinson, they get into a lot of manageable third and fourth down situations. And if it's manageable at all, fourth down is going to be a go for it situation.
1:02:33 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
1:02:33 Speaker 02 Try and keep them out of that as much as possible. Easier said than done. They're as good as, like, they're, like we've said before, complimentary team, they do a lot of things well. They don't make mistakes. This is not a team you can go into turning the ball over and making mistakes. They will capitalize on it. They will make you pay. Those are the big ones for me. Obviously, offensively, I think that we can run the ball as long as we're, we're executing everything properly. If you go back to that last game against Washington, and credit to Washington now, they adjusted well in the second half, and they really started shutting down our runs for the day. But if, if the Eagles take care of business and everybody does their job,
1:03:16 Speaker 02 I think that they should be able to have a successful day on the ground. But this is a really good team. Both of these teams are great. Dan Quinn coaches these guys so well. They have Jonathan Allen back this time around. He's a great player. Bobby Wagner is as good of a defensive leader as you're going to find in this league. So I'm looking forward to watching it. Freaking crazy that NFC East divisional game is going to decide the NFC champions.
1:03:41 Travis Kelce? That's fucking nuts. I can only imagine AFC West, like. I can't even fathom it, man. Trying to fucking go toe to toe with a team that knows everything about you, man.
1:03:52 Speaker 02 Lot of familiarity here, and that makes a difference. I've brought that up earlier. There's one thing I think Dan does a great job of. Those guys are well coached. They, they know what they're looking for formationally. They know what their keys are. I've always felt like, no matter where he's been at, he schemes things and lets those guys operate in the scheme and teaches them well on how to react to stuff. You see it in the way that they adjusted last game, and that's a battle that's gonna happen in this game.
1:04:21 Travis Kelce? Nice.
1:04:21 Speaker 02 Well, AFC Championship, Bills at Chiefs. Trav, what's the keys to the game?
1:04:27 Travis Kelce? Um, I'm, I'm not gonna tell you those.
1:04:31 Speaker 02 That's fair.
1:04:32 Travis Kelce? Uh, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll leave that to.
1:04:36 Speaker 02 Can I say mine? I'll say mine.
1:04:37 Travis Kelce? Boy, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and go ahead and give me the keys to the game, Jason.
1:04:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, I got you. Well, I'm giving the fans. I'm not giving you the keys to the game. These are what I think 92 percenters.
1:04:49 Travis Kelce? Okay.
1:04:49 Speaker 02 Keys to the game.
1:04:53 Speaker 02 I don't know.
1:04:55 Travis Kelce? Good call.
1:04:57 Travis Kelce? Well, we do know this. We got a few extra weapons on offense. I think we're a little bit healthier on the defensive side, so it doesn't mean that, you know, we'll, we'll have the upper hand just because of that. You know, it's obviously these two great coached teams, two superstars at quarterback, and, and playmakers all over the board. The biggest thing for me is, is just going out there and playing my fucking tail off of these guys next to me, man. We're excited for that challenge to, to go up against these Bills. We know they match up very, very good with us. It's a, it's a very familiar, you know, matchup. We've seen these guys a lot. We've seen them a lot in the playoffs and in the regular season.
1:05:40 Travis Kelce? And, and you know, that being said, it's gonna be, it's gonna be a dogfight.
1:05:46 Speaker 02 No doubt about it. I think, obviously, James Cook is such a huge integral part of that Bills offense. You gotta try and slow him down, but easier said than done. Josh is such a great job. It's, there's something really hard about stopping the passing attack that doesn't just zero in on specific playmakers. I mean, he spreads the ball around as good as anybody else.
1:06:08 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
1:06:09 Speaker 02 And then they're well coached on defense. Come on now, Sean McDermott, let's go. Sean McDermott, freaking Spagnola, Andy Reid, Joe Brady, gosh, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. This is gonna be a fun game. Can't wait.
1:06:23 Travis Kelce? Fire me up, baby. Best on the best. That's what I love.
1:06:27 Speaker 02 All right, before we get going with the rest of the show, it's time for Travis to duck out of here for a second because he can't be here for this next segment. It's too degenerate for him.
1:06:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. Yeah.
1:06:43 Speaker 02 Joining me now is intern Brandon.
1:06:45 Speaker 05 Hey.
1:06:46 Speaker 02 Hey.
1:06:47 Speaker 05 We've only got two games this weekend. It's almost done.
1:06:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:06:51 Speaker 05 All right. Jason, I'm gonna build us a single game parlay.
1:06:55 Speaker 02 Okay, hit me.
1:06:56 Speaker 05 We're gonna build a little single game parlay here, uh, looking at just the Eagles and commanders.
1:07:01 Speaker 02 Got it.
1:07:02 Speaker 05 I got six picks, it's little down to three. What do you like better? Saquon Barkley over 100 rushing yards or Jaden Daniels, two passing touchdowns?
1:07:14 Speaker 02 I'm picking this or you're doing this?
1:07:16 Speaker 05 You're the expert. You informed me. I'm torn. I don't know.
1:07:19 Speaker 02 Saquon over 100.
1:07:20 Speaker 05 Okay, all right. Jayden Daniels out of here. All right. Do we like Jalen Carter over one sack? Or Jaden Daniels over one interception? I have a favorite, but I want to, I want to hear the expert.
1:07:32 Speaker 02 I mean, with the way Jalen Carter played last game, I'm gonna go with Jalen Carter.
1:07:36 Speaker 05 All right, last, last pairing here. Uh, Saquon Barkley anytime TD scorer or Jalen Hurts anytime TD scorer? Is he gonna house one or are we tush pushing?
1:07:45 Speaker 02 I'll go with Jalen Hurts anytime TD scorer.
1:07:47 Speaker 05 There we go. That leaves us with Saquon over 100 yards, Jalen Carter over one sack, and Jalen Hurts anytime TD scorer. That is our single game parlay. That means, uh, your odds on that single game parlay are plus 360, $10 pays you $46. Take us home.
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1:08:58 Travis Kelce? Before we get out of here, let's get to some No Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Mint Mobile.
1:09:04 Speaker 02 All righty, after hearing you guys talk about obscure sports on Wondery Plus exclusive, I need to know if y'all consider hobby horsing a sport? No, I do not. I do not consider hobby horsing a sport.
1:09:15 Travis Kelce? There's no way.
1:09:16 Speaker 02 I don't consider a lot of things a sport, though, that people call sports. So I'm not really, this isn't so much just a hobby horse thing. I just think that-
1:09:24 Travis Kelce? Why is this a thing?
1:09:25 Speaker 02 Hobby horsing?
1:09:26 Travis Kelce? Oh my gosh.
1:09:28 Speaker 02 I mean, it's, you know, there's like LARPing and, you know, this thing right here, whatever this is. I mean, is there some form involved? I'll go. I'll go see what it's about.
1:09:39 Speaker 02 Hey, if Y can jump over a hurdle like that with a wooden horse between her legs, that's pretty impressive. Watch this. Look at this hurdle. Yeah! I just think this is the type of stuff you open yourself to when you allow judges to be a part of sports. I just don't think judging, sports are, there's a goal scored and somebody has more points than the other team at the end of the day. I don't want to hear somebody's opinion on what my score should have been. I want to know, did I score? Is there a goal in the net? That's a point. I don't need to hear you-
1:10:08 Travis Kelce? Did I beat this person in the race?
1:10:10 Speaker 02 That I didn't-
1:10:10 Travis Kelce? Did I throw this further than them?
1:10:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't need you to tell me, was my fucking high knee form correct or not? Get the fuck out of here.
1:10:20 Speaker 02 That's my only problem with this is that it's a judge sport. Now, highest jump, listen, that's a sport. That's a sport. The jumping, whoever could jump over the highest obstacle with a goddamn wooden horse in between the legs, that I can get on that boat with being a sport. Cause it's very, there's no subjectiveness to it's like, hey, if you jumped over the higher fucking rung, you fucking win. There was a second part to this question. Also, who would win a hobby horse in competition between Travis, Jason, Jets Jake and intern Brandon?
1:10:47 Travis Kelce? It sounds like Jason would.
1:10:49 Speaker 02 I don't think I would. I definitely ain't winning the jumping contest.
1:10:52 Travis Kelce? I'm definitely not doing it.
1:10:55 Speaker 02 Well, then you're definitely not winning. So I guess, I think it's really between me, Jets Jake and intern Brandon. Would you partake in this?
1:11:02 Speaker 05 Yeah, sure.
1:11:04 Speaker 02 Intern Brandon?
1:11:05 Speaker 05 Why not? Oh, can you not hear me?
1:11:07 Speaker 02 I don't know. I can hear you. I don't know if they can. I don't know how this works sometimes.
1:11:10 Speaker 05 I'm recorded. We figured out that mechanism like two weeks ago. It's been pretty solid.
1:11:15 Speaker 02 There we go.
1:11:16 Speaker 05 We're advancing the podcast at all times.
1:11:18 Speaker 02 Just Jake, would you try this?
1:11:20 Speaker 07 From experience, my sister did this and it's the dumbest fucking thing ever. She used to run around our backyard, jumping over horse things. Julia, I love you. Sorry for blowing your snot up on a national podcast.
1:11:33 Speaker 02 Have you ever told your sister this?
1:11:35 Travis Kelce? You used to go to them? You used to have to go to her competitions?
1:11:38 Speaker 07 No, she, she didn't compete in these. She just had them in our backyard and we just run over the jumps.
1:11:44 Travis Kelce? Oh, well, if it's a kid that's in the backyard being a kid, that's one thing.
1:11:48 Speaker 07 She was in high school.
1:12:00 Speaker 07 Julia, I love you.
1:12:02 Speaker 02 That's so good.
1:12:03 Travis Kelce? Everybody's got their hobby.
1:12:05 Speaker 02 From Ashley Gunno, if Travis is El Trevidor when he has the mustache, what is his name? When he has the playoff beard?
1:12:15 Travis Kelce? Ooh, the playoff beard. I go a list, a little less Spanish and I go more like.
1:12:22 Speaker 02 Nordic?
1:12:23 Travis Kelce? Celtic. Yeah.
1:12:24 Speaker 02 Celtic?
1:12:25 Travis Kelce? Yeah.
1:12:26 Speaker 02 I was thinking more Viking.
1:12:28 Travis Kelce? What did I say?
1:12:29 Speaker 02 Celtic. I mean, listen, Irish people have beards too. I feel like yours, I. I think it might be red beard.
1:12:36 Travis Kelce? It's not that red.
1:12:37 Speaker 02 Because in the playoff mode, especially, there's like an anger that you play with.
1:12:41 Travis Kelce? It's not that red.
1:12:42 Speaker 02 It's a little red. It's got some tinge to it.
1:12:45 Travis Kelce? No, you're trying to give me.
1:12:46 Speaker 02 I'm not trying to get you. I'm trying to like give you, I think it's like, I think red beard is a great, it's not black beard. It's definitely not black beard. I don't think it's brown beard. I think, I think it's red.
1:12:56 Travis Kelce? It's definitely brown beard.
1:12:57 Speaker 02 It's red beard.
1:13:00 Speaker 02 If somebody saw that beard and they were like, give it a color, they would say red beard.
1:13:03 Travis Kelce? No, they would not.
1:13:04 Speaker 02 Brandon, come in here. What would you call that beard? Not like with the actual color, but if you were going to nickname that beard.
1:13:12 Speaker 05 Let me get in. Travis, get a little closer.
1:13:14 Travis Kelce? Come on. You get what you get.
1:13:16 Speaker 02 Let the light hit it too.
1:13:17 Speaker 05 There's red in there. There's red in there.
1:13:20 Travis Kelce? There's red in there. Okay.
1:13:22 Speaker 02 If it's, yeah, I'm not shitting on you. I think it's awesome. It's fine. Red beard is a great name.
1:13:26 Speaker 05 Red beard's a good one. It sounds more, red beard's more pirate. Red beard's more pirate.
1:13:30 Travis Kelce? I think.
1:13:31 Speaker 05 That's a pirate name.
1:13:31 Speaker 02 He's mad. Yeah.
1:13:33 Travis Kelce? I'm not mad at all. There's nothing wrong with someone having a red beard. I'm saying you're throwing me into a boat that I'm not in. Like, there's people out here with actual red beards.
1:13:44 Speaker 02 Well, yeah, there's, there's redder beards. I just think you, if you have any redness to your beard, you can be called red beard. Just like I can be called white beard. Gray beard. Not yet.
1:13:55 Travis Kelce? No.
1:13:56 Speaker 02 But red beard, I think is a little bit more lenient.
1:13:59 Travis Kelce? No.
1:14:03 Travis Kelce? No. This is why they're all dumb questions.
1:14:07 Speaker 02 What is the, uh, what's a good, I'm just thinking of good beard nicknames. What's a good Nordic freaking?
1:14:14 Travis Kelce? You can't look it up.
1:14:15 Speaker 02 Nordic for Travis.
1:14:17 Travis Kelce? This is what I'm saying. You can't look it up. It's just look at it, feel the energy.
1:14:22 Speaker 02 How do you say Travis in Norse?
1:14:26 Travis Kelce? You did this, Brandon.
1:14:28 Speaker 05 I know.
1:14:29 Speaker 02 It might just be Travis.
1:14:31 Speaker 05 I fucked up. I can't leave open ended questions in the show anymore.
1:14:34 Speaker 02 Viking names.
1:14:37 Speaker 05 What about Ragnar?
1:14:39 Speaker 02 Dude. Ragnar.
1:14:40 Speaker 05 Did I get it? Did I nail it? Did I nail it?
1:14:43 Speaker 02 Similar to Travis.
1:14:44 Speaker 05 It's nowhere near.
1:14:48 Speaker 02 Translate the Travis.
1:14:51 Travis Kelce? God damn it, Jason.
1:14:54 Speaker 02 Celtic.
1:14:55 Speaker 05 God damn it.
1:14:57 Travis Kelce? Jason's stuck. He's in a wormhole. He doesn't get out of these things. You did this.
1:15:02 Speaker 05 I know. Every week I do this and I, I reflect upon this. I'm like, never do that again. Tomislav, the first king of Croatia.
1:15:11 Travis Kelce? Travis Slav?
1:15:12 Speaker 05 Travis Slav. Travis Slav?
1:15:15 Speaker 02 Travis Slav. I mean, it's Slavic.
1:15:17 Speaker 05 Oh, fuck. You got there, Travis. Thank you.
1:15:19 Speaker 02 Travis Slav.
1:15:21 Speaker 05 Travis Slav.
1:15:22 Speaker 02 Travis Slav.
1:15:25 Travis Kelce? When you say it like that, it actually.
1:15:27 Speaker 02 Travis Slav.
1:15:28 Speaker 05 There it is.
1:15:29 Travis Kelce? You have to say it more Russian.
1:15:31 Speaker 02 Why Russian?
1:15:32 Travis Kelce? Say it more, say it more Arnold.
1:15:34 Speaker 02 Travis Slav.
1:15:35 Travis Kelce? There it is.
1:15:38 Travis Kelce? I am Travis Slav.
1:15:40 Speaker 02 Travis Slav. That's good. That's real good.
1:15:43 Travis Kelce? That's funny as fuck.
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1:16:09 Travis Kelce? Hey, how about a New Heights, uh, Wondery show produced by Way Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's New Chocolate Lavabig Cup. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips. Thanks to the production and crew. Please delete everything I said.
1:16:25 Speaker 02 It's gonna be a lot of editing this episode.
1:16:27 Travis Kelce? To the 92%, 92%ers. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you, man. Get fired up for some championship football, baby.
1:16:33 Speaker 02 Woo!
1:16:44 Travis Kelce? Some of my favorite, uh, favorite things to do after a game, after a big play is go listen to like the, the different calls from around the world of the play.
1:16:53 Speaker 06 자 모처럼 마우스가 한번 길게 퀴즈한 텍사스를 좀 뒤로 밀어냈습니다.
1:16:58 Travis Kelce? This is, this is Japan?
1:17:00 Speaker 06 한가운데가 횡안이 열려 있습니다. 테리스 케이시, 더 가요, 더 가요! 20년을, 10년을, 5년을까지 최대의 스케이시! 샤이거 레벨 스타리우먼, 최대의 스케이시의 안방입니다.
1:17:13 Speaker 02 Dude, did we just come up with a bit? We have to describe the play. We have to guess the play based on a four nations calling of the play.
1:17:25 Travis Kelce? You want some Wondry Plus?
1:17:27 Speaker 02 Dude.
1:17:27 Travis Kelce? We got you.
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