Julian Edelman & Cooper Kupp on Super Bowl 60, NFL Beauty Pageants, and Burger Flipping OCs | EP 178

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. It’s Super Bowl week, so Julian Edelman and Cooper Kupp are here to help us break down the big game. But first, Jason shares his thoughts on the Eagles new Offensive Coordinator Sean Mannion, Travis gives us a preview of the Waste Management Open, we pitch a new idea for a Chiefs 30 for 30, and let you know how to get Big Game ready over at www.kelceclubhouse.com http://www.kelceclubhouse.com Next, Julian Edelman makes his return to the program. He tells us why he’s confident in the Patriots, why Super Bowl week is a marathon, his favorite Coach Vrabel stories, and what it was like when he played in his first Super Bowl. Later, Cooper Kupp joins us to talk about making his second appearance in the Super Bowl, what it’s been like playing for a new team, why his thankful for the NFL script writers, why he’s high on Sam Darnold, and he shares how to brew the best cup of coffee. Finally, we hand out some stamps of the week. Will it go to the boxer who get his hair punched off, a lacrosse player getting jacked up, our new favorite offensive lineman Gennings Dunker, or the all bald staff of the Tennessee Titans. We’ve also got a bonus guest for you guys, Sam Salvo the young Eagles fan who went viral for telling players to pack their bags and coaches to flip burgers is here to share his thoughts on the Eagles offense. Check out all of our new merch big game essentials at https://amzlink.to/az0JVda6JMjOr Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Send something to the New Heights Mailbox. Don’t be weird though. C/O New Heights Productions 135 E OLIVE AVE, BURBANK, CA 91502 Support the show: INTUIT TURBOTAX: Intuit TurboTax: Learn more at https://turbotax.intuit.com/?cid=bn_wk_12 REESE’S: Grab REESE’S OREO® Cups today, found wherever candy is sold ABODE ACROBAT: Adobe Acrobat transforms your documents into shareable, AI-powered PDF Spaces with access to easy content creation and trusted PDF tools that help you take any project from idea to done. Do that with Acrobat. XFINITY: Cheer on Team USA and keep the same internet price through the next Olympic Winter Games with the Xfinity 5 Year Price Guarantee. One price. 5 years. Guaranteed. Get it now at https://www.xfinity.com/teamusa Restrictions apply. Select plans only. PEPSI ZERO SUGAR: Let your taste decide! Visit https://www.pepsi.com/where-to-buy to find Pepsi Zero Sugar near you. ALLSTATE: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  To realize the future America needs, we understand what's needed from us to face each threat head on. We've earned our place in the fight for our nation's future. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Thank you to our partner, Royal Caribbean.

• 0:17Travis Kelce?

  Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 0:41Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full-on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 0:58Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  I love a water park.

• 1:01Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one? Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship. Not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 1:19Travis Kelce?

  All right, Captain, get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 1:31Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total.

• 1:34Speaker 01

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• 1:38Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  But it's not just football. There's a lot of things you need to prevent before they start.

• 1:49Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  My mouth specifically?

• 1:53Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 2:04Speaker 01

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• 2:15Travis Kelce?

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• 2:23Speaker 01

  And it's not just one contributing player either. It's a whole system. Toothpaste, mouthwash, and a special toothbrush.

• 2:30Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 2:33Speaker 01

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• 2:41Travis Kelce?

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• 2:44Speaker 01

  You know how they do best in show for like dogs where they like trot them out? They do it for like horses too?

• 2:53Speaker 01

  You all right, Trip?

• 2:56Travis Kelce?

  We're good.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  You, you good?

• 3:01Travis Kelce?

  Taylor's gonna kill me.

• 3:10Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages. This is a Wondery show and it is brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. How about it? Don't forget to pay your taxes. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my brother, Jason Kelce out of Cleveland, Ohio, University of Cincinnati alum. Shout out to those Bearcats. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and make sure you follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S. We've got a lot of fun clips throughout the week and especially coming up to Super Bowl weekend. We're gonna have some good shit. And Jason is right now is gonna tell you about all the wonderful shit that we have coming up on this episode specifically.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  That's right. Ninety-two percenters. We've got another great episode. It's Super Bowl week. We'll preview the big game and we've got two incredible guests to help us do it. That's right. Cooper Cup and Julian Edelman are on the show right now, today, and we're gonna let them kind of tell us what they think as well as what's to come for Super Bowl 60. But before we get into that, let's get into some of that new news.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  New news is brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups and the newest news of new news is that the Eagles have finally hired an office coordinator, Sean Mannion.

• 4:21Travis Kelce?

  How about it?

• 4:22Speaker 01

  For those of you that are unaware of Sean Mannion's past and what he is, is I guess what his lineage is. He has been in the McVay tree pretty much his entire career. He was with the Rams briefly under Jeff Fisher, but for the most part, he has been with Sean McVay and the Rams. He's been with Kevin O'Connell in the Vikings and he is more importantly, only been coaching for two years under the Matt LaFleur tree in Green Bay. So he is very well versed in that specific coaching tree. What does that tell me? That system, that tells me the Eagles offense is going to look drastically different. That's a signal that the Eagles are going to try and move into where a lot of the NFL is going,

• 5:04Speaker 01

  which is a lot of the run play action, motion offenses that are really spreading across the league because they've been very successful.

• 5:14Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  A lot of this stuff is rooted in the Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak lineages back in the 90s, Denver Broncos era, Terrell Davis, John Elway, and rooted in outside zone boot. These offenses are doing more duo.

• 5:31Travis Kelce?

  Don't forget how, how, how, how well that tight end can thrive in these offenses with little Shannon Sharp, man.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Well, you're right.

• 5:38Travis Kelce?

  Uncle's a part of those Broncos years.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  This is a signal that the, the Eagles are going to train drastically and probably change in a way that a lot of Eagles fans want them to do. There's been a lot of noise throughout the year about, you know, stagnant offenses, limited route receiver, route trees, you know, a lot of things that Monday morning quarterbacks have been showing clips of and getting Eagles fans fired up about. Eagles fans have been voicing their displeasure of what the offense looked like. This is a clear sign that that is going to be drastically different next year. I'm excited to see what this looks like.

• 6:11Travis Kelce?

  Jalen's under center a lot more in this, this type of offense and what that does for Saquon, what that does for, for, for Jalen in terms of run, run fakes and things like that. Obviously, like he's, he's always been a kind of in the gun kind of quarterback. But I think there's it, there's something about what this often, this style of offense does to, to help a quarterback if he just dives in and, and, and accept it. Now, don't get me wrong. It's Jalen Hurts. They're going to do stuff out of the gun because that's where he's comfortable. And they're gonna, they're gonna kind of mold this thing around him because he's the, he's the signal caller. But at the same time, I'm, I'm interested to see, you know, how they're going to be using these big offensive linemen and in the outside zone and all the different

• 6:54Travis Kelce?

  variations of it. It's going to be, it's going to be fun to see how it all kind of unfolds.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you bring up a, a good point about it molding around Jalen Hurts. I think it'll be interesting to see how much this offense for the Eagles next year does look like a lot of these other McVay, Shanahan, Tree coaches and what they did in, what he did in Green Bay with LaFleur versus what the Eagles have had success with, with Jalen Hurts and the skillset that he has. They, when they had Malik Willis play in this year, they did a lot more of gun runs and zone reads and things like that. Jordan Love will do that stuff as well. The one thing I really like about Sean Mannion is that he has familiarity a little bit in that stuff as well, especially as a quarterback coach. He understands, you know, how do we utilize the strengths of the signal caller? You saw Jordan Love develop

• 7:41Speaker 01

  when he got to Green Bay and become a better player. So there's a lot of things that I like out of what appears to be Sean Mannion's, not just his past experiences and players he's coached, but also how those players have developed and gotten better. I also like that he's a fast riser, right? Two years and all of a sudden he's an offensive coordinator. That tells me that there's a lot of other coaches that are speaking very highly of this guy, right?

• 8:05Travis Kelce?

  Yep. You don't get an opportunity like this without a lot of people vouching for you this early.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  I'm excited to see what this thing look like, looks like. I really am.

• 8:12Travis Kelce?

  People in, in Philadelphia are getting what they ask for. They're, they're going to get a completely different version of these, this highly skilled and highly powerful offense as well as everyone's coming back healthy. So it's good. It's definitely going to be something that's, that is going to be fun to watch.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  No doubt. There is still the question mark. I mean, the big thing everybody's talking about is never called plays, right? That's the big negative. And most of the really good play callers that are doing a great job currently in the NFL already have jobs, right? There was a guy available, Mike McDaniel. He took the LA job. Brian Dable takes a Tennessee job. So, you know, who else do you get that? Is you feel really confident in. They decided to go with the guy who's up and coming and has a lot of interesting backgrounds and ways to kind of shift and mold the offense into something new. And we're just gonna have to wait and see how he is as a play caller.

• 9:05Travis Kelce?

  I hear you and don't get me wrong. Having Andy Reid as my play caller my entire life. I have been the most fortunate of having it a really seasoned play caller. That knows knows when to dial these things up, but at the end of the day, there's gonna be, you know, there's gonna be those big time situational plays where yeah, you're really leaning on the coach to to put you in a good spot, but at the the majority, I think of the time in the NFL, you're going out there, you're having to make something work. And and so at the end, you have the players there and it's just the accountability and making sure that it all meshes well and that the the coaches are putting them in good positions. But at the end of the day,

• 9:46Travis Kelce?

  you know, going out there and making those fucking plays is is what's gonna change the game.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  No doubt. And there's a question in here. What does he have to do to win over the Philly faithful? I mean, there's it's not complicated. You go out there and win games. You have a good offense. I mean, there's not an easy way to do it. I mean, sometimes you gotta you gotta kick the biggest. You gotta go jail rules, right? When you go to jail, there's a lot of intimidating.

• 10:09Travis Kelce?

  You don't know anything about jail, Jason.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Well, I hear this, though. I hear this from people who've been to jail, have heard it at movies, so it's gotta have some truth. You go up to the biggest, baddest guy and you start a fight, right? To set the tone that I'm not to be fucked with, right? So I think Sean Mannion needs to go to the biggest, baddest Philadelphia Eagles fans' house and just go and egg it. He's just gotta egg their house preemptively, egg their house. Take the fight to them.

• 10:35Travis Kelce?

  Just start egging houses?

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Listen, we do have some film breakdown and video that we're gonna be diving into from Sean Mannion in Green Bay and looking at, you know, what this offense looks like. I think we've wanted to get into video breakdowns before. It's not the easiest to figure out virtually and with all the editing and whatnot. But we've tried to do something and we're only. Get better at it. Yeah. So we're going to be doing some film breakdown of why we like the hire, why we don't, what we think it'll incorporate into the Philadelphia Eagles offense as well as just watching ball. I love watching, talking ball and Green Bay was doing some really cool, interesting things. So yeah, keep a look out on the YouTube channel for when that comes out. And, uh, yeah, we also have a special guest at the end of the episode today.

• 11:24Travis Kelce?

  You guys are not going to want to miss this.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Who, uh, was not the biggest fan of Kevin Patullo, as you guys might remember, we got Sam Salvo, the young man who went virtual for saying that Kevin Patullo should be flipping burgers and AJ Brown needs to start packing his bags. At the end of the episode, he's a young star in the making and, um, we're going to have him on to talk about this new hire in Sean Mannion.

• 11:45Travis Kelce?

  Can't fucking wait.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Travis is headed to Waste Management's Open Pro-Am.

• 11:51Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Travis, you've been there before, you've played in it?

• 11:54Travis Kelce?

  So those, those of you that don't know what it is, it's the PGA tournament out in Arizona, out in Phoenix. Uh, the Waste Management Open is iconic. It's iconic for how, how much of a party it is all weekend. The infamous hole 16, par three is, uh, is fucking electric. They create an entire arena around a par three. It's like, it's done like no other hole in golf and it's epic, man. I've always wanted to play in it. I've always wanted to, well, obviously play in the PGA, but, uh, I've always wanted to actually like, uh, play the course while this grandstand is there and it's pretty fucking cool that, uh, that I'm getting the opportunity to.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  That's right. Well, famously in the past, the tournament has had to suspend alcohol sales because it is that wild folks. Waste management does not mess around. Trav, are you ready for this? Who are you paired with?

• 12:42Travis Kelce?

  Um, am I, I don't know if I'm allowed to say, or if I'm, if I even know exactly who it is that I'm paired with. Whoever I'm playing with, uh, dirt. A fucking PGA golfer, you know what I mean? So anytime I'm, I'm around, you know, pros in different, uh, in different sports, I always get pumped to like, just like, I don't know, kind of pick their brain and, um, be a part of their world. So this would be, this would be fucking pretty damn cool, especially at a tournament like Waste Management.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  That par three, what's the distance on that sucker? Do you know?

• 13:14Travis Kelce?

  Last year it was anywhere from like 150 to 180.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. So it's not, it's not like a crazy distance.

• 13:21Travis Kelce?

  I think they give people the excitement that, oh, like somebody might jar this, you know? It's not like the, the hardest, like, you know, green to hit.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  So like a 230 where you're like trying to choose, or am I hitting a long iron? Or what am I doing here? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:36Travis Kelce?

  I can't fucking wait. I'm fucking pumped for this. Um, I haven't swung a golf club in three weeks. This will be so much fun to just go out there and try not to hit one off of the fucking nozzle and smoke somebody in the stands, which would also be hilarious. Um, I'm either going for that or going to jar one, baby.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Kill one or hole in one. Got it. All right. ESPN is airing the Philly Special this Friday, February 6th. A30 for 30 is coming out on the Philly Special. That's right.

• 14:05Travis Kelce?

  What? Are you in it?

• 14:07Speaker 01

  I am. Yes, I'm in it. Nick Foles is in it. And everybody that touched the ball in the Philly Special, as well as Doug Peterson, who made the call.

• 14:14Travis Kelce?

  Dougie P.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Listen, it's, it's really all encompassing of that Super Bowl run, but the emphasis is definitely on that play in particular and that moment for Philadelphia. So it was a blast to be a part of. All of us got together, me, Corey, Trey Burton, Nick Foles and Doug Peterson in Philadelphia to reminisce about the play and talk about what led to that moment. Uh, so that was a lot of fun and I can't wait to see what the final product looks like, man. I think, uh.

• 14:41Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I can't wait either.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Man, it was just so wild. Fourth and one in the Super Bowl.

• 14:45Travis Kelce?

  Biggest game of your life, 30 seconds left in the half. Oh, I can't fucking wait. God, God, God, man. Talk about crazy weather in the, in the United States right now. That fucking week in Minnesota, holy shit.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  It was a balmy. What 12? I don't remember. I just remember leaving the stadium and it was cold as fuck.

• 15:06Travis Kelce?

  And it was a blizzard the whole time. Like literally, I remember this is kind of when Uber started and like Lyft and all these car services really started to like become a thing. And I'm over here trying to get them everywhere. And they're like, bro, I'm, I can't even get to you. Like the roads are so bad. The traffic is all backed up because there's really nowhere for everybody to go because everyone's driving so slow. Like it was like you had to get an Uber an hour and a half in advance. And it was like, man, it was insane, but it made it that much more fun. To kind of be in that bubble downtown with everyone because everyone was just like, you know what? I'm not going out to the Mall of America. He's like, I can't fucking get there. You know, I mean, go ahead and just hit the bars and, and hit these restaurants around downtown and

• 15:49Travis Kelce?

  meet up with friends and man, it made it for such a fucking unique Super Bowl, man. It was so cool to, you know, see my brother win his first Super Bowl, but also, you know, be amongst the, the madness that was that Minnesota downtown that, that year.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  It was wild. It sure was. I was just thankful for all the sky walks, not having to go outside.

• 16:06Travis Kelce?

  Dude, the sky walks, they got that shit figured out in Minnesota, man.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  If they were going to make a doc about any other game or play from your career, what, what, what do you think they'd make a doc about, Trav?

• 16:18Travis Kelce?

  Me? Like the Chiefs?

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, or something in your career.

• 16:21Travis Kelce?

  I think it would probably be the three jet wasp, the, the play in the Super Bowl to Tyreek where we're down two scores and we need a huge player down three scores and need a huge play down to our last, you know, or what felt like our last dollar. And Tyree came up fucking big with Coach B and me calling the right play and Pat kind of throwing out, throwing it out there as famous words, but we got wasp, what about wasp?

• 16:48Travis Kelce?

  Man, absolutely electric. So I'd, I'd say that's probably our Philly special in that regard. And that's the only one that really comes to mind.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  All right. Last bit of new news. Not sure you guys know this, but we do have a website, kelceclubhouse.com. If you're throwing a Super Bowl party, we got you covered. Check out the sale for all of your party essentials. That's right. Tablecloths, heat thermometer. Definitely got to know if that meat is done cooking.

• 17:14Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Ooh, little jungle juice dispenser.

• 17:22Travis Kelce?

  Can't forget your football balloons. Got to make it festive. Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Don't forget that charcoal, baby.

• 17:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, the X's and O's plates.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Make you football centric. Live it up. I mean, this is the time of year, man. This is basically a national holiday, Super Bowl time.

• 17:36Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I don't know whose Super Bowl party it was. I don't even know whose house we were at. I just remember mom and dad taking us to a Super Bowl party and it was the year that the Titans played the Rams in the Super Bowl and it came down to that last leg play. Do you remember this? The greatest show. So I don't fucking know, but I remember it like it was yesterday, the whole house that like it was a, they were all cheering for the Rams for sure. It was a St. Louis like house because the entire, like I just remember Kurt Warner memorabilia being everywhere and all the cups and everything were St. Louis. All the napkins were St. Louis. And it's just something about that as a kid, man, it's just implemented in my fucking brain.

• 18:17Travis Kelce?

  All right. Now, once again, that's new news brought to you by Reese's Oreo cups. Let's keep this thing moving into a little bit of Super Bowl Bowl topics. That's right. It's the big game this Sunday and we got some big things to talk about. First thing is that Bowl topics is brought to you by Xfinity. That's right. This week, we're bringing some friends on to talk about this big game. And as always, we have our notorious introduction ear. I just made up a word. You know, guys know what I'm talking about, Jason.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Introduction ear. I see what you did there. Yeah.

• 18:48Travis Kelce?

  Jason.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Either way, we got some awesome guests. Let's get to the first one right now. Here to represent the New England Patriots, he is the host of Games With Names and Dudes on Dudes Podcast, a seventh round pick out against a three time Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl MVP, 92%ers, please welcome back to the show for his second appearance, Mr. Julian Edelman.

• 19:08Travis Kelce?

  Edelman, Edelman.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Edelman himself, he's back.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  How you guys doing? How you guys doing? Thanks for having me.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Doing great, man. It's Super Bowl weekend.

• 19:17Travis Kelce?

  No job January over here, man. Just enjoying some, uh, some free time and watching some, watching some good ball on the, on Sundays, man.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're not used to that though. It's, that's probably an uncomfortable feeling, huh?

• 19:29Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you know the feeling, dude. You know the feeling.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  I get it. I get it. When you go to, I mean, you both have been to a bunch of Super Bowls and, and a lot of them in a short amount of time, like your body clock is messed up that first time you're, you're not in it. You're like, what's going on? Like I'm growing a beard. I'm five years out and it just feels right. I'm like, what the hell are we doing? Why am I doing this still?

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Don't change it. Don't change it.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  It's stupid.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  It's 80 degrees. You're not in Boston anymore, Jules. You don't need that.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  I know. No.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  All right. Well, should we get right into the Pats? What do you think?

• 20:06Travis Kelce?

  Let's do it, dude.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  How you feeling? What, what, what's your confidence level for the Super Bowl for the Patriots?

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Well, I'm excited. I'm super excited. Uh, and, and I am very confident with, with the Patriots going into this game.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  And there's been a lot of talk about the easy road, the schedule, uh, young football team going against a juggernaut. And a lot of these, uh, narratives are, are things that this organization has dealt with before. So, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm very, I'm very interested to see the coaches of the Patriots and what they game plan going into this thing. They've got, they've had a lot of experience in this. You know, Graves, yeah, he's, he's never coached in one, but he's got Josh McDaniels who's coached in 10.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  He's been a former head coach. Graves has played in this thing. So I just think there's a lot of value in that experience of the routine of the Super Bowl. Cause you guys know. More than anyone right now, this game is a different game.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Completely different.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  And, and the little things that the coaches prepare you for, or at least me, I saw come to fruition in the game. So I, I think I'm, I'm excited with their opportunity.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, man. So there's something we wanted to ask you. It is a young team. There's a lot of guys that haven't played in it. You mentioned Graves, your organization have a ton of experience in this game.

• 21:34Travis Kelce?

  Right.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  You yourself, obviously, ton of experience playing in this game in this week. What piece of advice would you give the guys that are playing in it for the first time? The Drake Mays and the young players? What would you tell them?

• 21:46Speaker 03

  My advice would be is keep the routine the same. Maybe, maybe if you want, you know, do a little couple extras. Like I'd always catch another like 500 balls after practice or, you know, something that wouldn't tax my body, but fundamentally get me confident and keep the routine the same. You know, you guys are here for a reason. It's because of how you prepared all year going into a game. It always worked, you know, and it continued to work. So you don't have to do too much. And then one last thing I would tell them, you know, be prepared for a marathon, not a sprint. This thing, this game is a, it's longer.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Be prepared for, you know, spurts of rhythm throughout the game and take advantage of that.

• 22:36Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  But know that this is a long game and, and the team that wins is the team that makes the least amount of mistakes, not the team that makes the most plays. If you watch, you know, it's, it's the team that makes the least amount of mistakes, you know, left tackle, jumping offsides, a receiver not breaking hot on a hot route and it's interception. You know, the quarterback not getting the right protection, things that we're not going to see that you need to check the box every, you know, play when we're evaluating our plays after the game. Like just don't have those negative plays. The team that has the least amount of those wins.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:17Travis Kelce?

  Crazy you say that because a lot of the times in these big games, especially early on, you feel like you gotta be your greatest. You feel like you gotta make that extra, that crazy one-handed catch when no one like expects you to make the play. But it's really just those little things that, you know, you're getting that cutoff block on the backside. So if that thing, you know, peels back to you, you know,

• 23:40Speaker 03

  So you can get six yards.

• 23:41Travis Kelce?

  Exactly. Just so you can get a few yards and get downhill. And now you're not playing behind the sticks and things like that. It's, it's such an easy concept to like talk about, but when you're in it, man, you wanna be your best. And you wanna be the fucking one that like catapults the, the guys to the, to the next game or to the, to the, to the win. And it's like, man, if you just go out there and, and focus on doing those little things, the jobs, those, those big plays, when the instincts are, are, are, when you're in it and those big plays need to be made, you're, you'll make them by just like being you, you know? You don't gotta be an extra version of yourself. So I'm, I'm so with you on that, man.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  Absolutely. And then, you know, like, and, and it sounds easy. Oh, hey, just do it. But the distractions and, and the, you know, the pre, uh, game ceremonies and the 28-minute halftime. There are so many different variables that make it so much harder than a regular game.

• 24:39Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? So that lull, it's not gonna be a sprint. This thing's not gonna happen after, you know, you, you stop, you hold the team three and out, you go and score. Oh, this game's over. You know, no, this thing's gonna be a marathon. They're, they're always close, more than they're not. Right. Uh, which they can get to not being close. They can be a blowout, but more than not, it's, it's, it's usually a close game.

• 25:03Travis Kelce?

  Have you talked to Vraves at all?

• 25:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I, I talked to Vraves week three. When they lost to this, who'd they lose to? Was it the Raiders? Or no, no, it was the Saints, maybe. I had the Hall of Fame induction, Braves came to the ceremony and that was like one of the last times they lost. But yeah, we talked a little bit. He kind of busted my balls, said I went a little long on my Hall of Fame speech and told me, you know, he goes, Jules, you know, hey, just to give you a reminder, halftime, I know you're going to speak to the crowd and everything. Just remember it's 12 minutes. All right, bud. It's 12 minutes in the regular season.

• 25:40Travis Kelce?

  What a guy. You missed, you missed him by like one year, right? In terms of playing, uh,

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I missed him by one year. He got signed to the Chiefs. I got drafted in. But, uh, we used to go to the Kentucky Derby together and we had so much crossover that, you know, I feel like I played with them and the stories about Braves lived on past Braves, just in the locker room.

• 26:04Travis Kelce?

  I can only imagine, dude. If you got a good one, please share, man. I, he's a Northeast Ohio guy. So watching Braves at Ohio State and then obviously at the Patriots is like, fucking, I feel like he's like a part of my family for some reason.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  It was always like, hey, you know, Braves would have killed you for getting on this taping table as a rookie, uh, before this guy, like little things like that. And then you always heard, you know, coach would reference, other coaches would reference, oh, you know, Vrabel would have ate that up on scout team or, or, you know, this guy was one of the smartest football players that we, we've ever seen. And when you're hearing that from, you know, the coaches that we had that I think, you know, are pretty dang good. Yeah. You know, they, if they're going to carry a guy's name, he must've been doing something right. Him and Rodney Harrison. They always talked about Rodney. They talked about a lot of those former guys, but, uh, you know, they always talked about Braves in a, in a, in a great fashion and it's been really cool to see him. He's always been a

• 27:02Speaker 03

  stud though. Like, it's not like, oh, this is his first time doing good things. Right. He was great with Tennessee. He was, you know, when he went to Ohio State as a, as a, as a younger coach and he's done great things, anything he's done. So it's been really cool to see.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I was just gonna ask you, what do you, what do you think is? Enabled him to have so much success so quickly in New England, like in one year to be in the Super Bowl, to turn it around from what it's been the last couple of years. I mean, it's fucking amazing. Like truly.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  It is. I think it's a combination of things. I think, uh, RKK, Mr. Kraft, making the right call, getting the right people in the building at the right time. I think it's the relationship between Elliot Wolf, Stretch, Vrabel, whoever's getting the players in. Uh, they've hit on a lot of their free agents. Milt Williams been lights out. Spillane's been lights out. Uh, Diggs in the offensive sides brought a new attitude to that receiver room. And then they have 11 rookies that they've drafted on the team. So, you know, they've been hitting on guys they brought in, guys they've drafted, and Drake May having Josh McDaniels this year, I think, has been huge.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  So I, I think it's a combination of like the perfect storm of things happening. And things can happen that quick in this league because, you know, it's built on parody and the crappiest team is not as crappy as you think in this league. Like they're like three players, five players away, which can be hit in a draft or through free agency, however your team is built. So I think it's a combination of things.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Love it, love it.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  And Vrabel's a great coach too, you know, shit.

• 28:39Travis Kelce?

  We got Cooper Cup coming on here after you, brother, to represent the Seattle side. Two of the best wide receivers ever to play in the Super Bowl, man. Cooper's coming back for his second run at it. You got anything you want to say to Cooper? Have anything, uh, have any questions for him?

• 28:53Speaker 03

  Uh, ask him, I've, I've been making my French press coffee a little weird. How many, just ask him, what's the weight on how much I gotta put in? Cause he's a big coffee guy. He did his dodo thing over here once. You know, he gave me a coffee machine, you know, we, we know he's the triple crown winner. We know he's still balling in the Super Bowl and he's still balling at a high level at a high age. But I just want to know about the coffee. How's, how do I get my, my French press right?

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Coffee is an underrated part about having success in the league too. Whenever I get a young guy and he's not drinking coffee, I'm like, do it. Do you not like taking legal performance and answers? Why the fuck would you not drink coffee? What are you doing, man?

• 29:32Speaker 03

  I didn't drink coffee until I got in the league.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Then I started chewing. I started drinking coffee. I mean, how do you get through these meetings?

• 29:41Speaker 01

  That's right. That's right.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  People don't realize there's, there's, this is like, you have to go to school before you get to just play football. It's like you're in class all day long.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:50Travis Kelce?

  That's so fucking good. All right, we gotta ask him about the French press, man. I'm actually curious about this one.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Is there anything you would say the Patriots win if they do X?

• 30:00Speaker 03

  They get the ball off, uh, Sam Darnold.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:04Speaker 03

  Patriots win if they can get the ball off Sam Darnold and, and win that turnover margin.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  Uh, I, I really think if you get it to a nitty gritty game, you have Milton Williams in the middle, Barmore on the other, in the middle together, getting pressure in the middle of the pocket and getting a takeaway from that explosive offense. Like I think, and they gotta take advantage of it. I think they, they have, that's their best opportunity of, of, of winning. Cause like, I think Seattle, if you look at them, they're a complimentary football team. We've talked about all year, all phases, special teams, offense, defense, you know, but when they've gotten to hairy, nitty gritty games with teams, you know, they've been able to like, beat them with all their units. I don't think they could do that with the Patriots.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  They're pretty damn good on all three units too. So I think when they get into a hairy game with a team that can nullify them on special teams and not give them an explosion play, or maybe hit them with the explosion play with Marcus Jones at punt return or kickoff. I think those are the types of teams that they struggle with. Cause then it presses on to Darnold to making a play. They gotta get more in the drop back. They can't play on schedule with their run game always.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  So getting the ball off Sam, getting that pressure in the middle pocket, I think the, the, it'll give them their best chance to win.

• 31:22Travis Kelce?

  It makes sense, man. It makes all the sense in the world.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Interior pressure, if you look at like all the Super Bowl teams that have won over the last few years, I mean, you look at dominant D tackles and controlling the middle of that freaking line of scrimmage. It disrupts the run game and then it pressures the quarterback. Everybody wants to talk about edge pressure. There's something about that interior pressure and Milton Williams and Barm are freaking balling right now, both of them.

• 31:46Speaker 03

  Well, especially as a pocket passer, you know, you know, Sam, he's athletic, don't, you know, he's, but he likes to do everything behind that center at eight, seven yards, wherever that spot is for him.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  And he likes to deliver the ball off that play action. They do a great job moving it, but you know, Sam, he, he, he, he don't like that middle pressure. If you watch, whenever he's struggled, it's because of that pressure right in his face. Cause it's hard to dissect that defense.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Gets him a little bit off schedule, gets him off target and then also he'll still throw it up there. All right.

• 32:18Travis Kelce?

  Listen about this last thing, dude. We gotta know you're welcome to, welcome to the Super Bowl moment. Out of, out of all the, all the Super Bowls you went to, man, what was the one moment that, that hit you that you can remember that was just like, man, that was, I'm in it, man.

• 32:32Speaker 03

  I, I really think there's two for me. From my first one, we lost against, uh, the New York Giants in 2011 and, uh, that was still early. That was, uh, like still kinda almost pre phones, still getting into the phone age.

• 32:48Travis Kelce?

  Uh huh.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  And, uh,

• 32:49Travis Kelce?

  The phone age.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  That first kickoff, when you used to run in these Super Bowls, all you would see is just flashes.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  And I was in R2 and you'd run and I just remember seeing all the flashes on kickoff.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  And I remember seeing those flashes.

• 33:04Travis Kelce?

  Cinematic dude, that's crazy.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's super. I remember that and the national anthem, you know, and the national anthem's going, you see whoever, who, who's singing it, some whatever celebrities there's, you know, you, you start to feel the environment of how big this is. I think those two things were like my welcome to the Super Bowl moment. By the time, you know, we got there in 14 again, and, and then 16, you know, then I had, I kinda, I kinda had a, a feel for it. But that first time, you know, it's like, holy smokes.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  What are we doing here, Batman?

• 33:38Travis Kelce?

  Dude, pre-phone and pre-kickoff like changed, like the kickoff when it was the fucking kickoff. You know what I mean?

• 33:45Speaker 01

  We're rolling.

• 33:45Travis Kelce?

  Dude, we're fucking charged.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  More daddy.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go bust a wedge.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  That's right. And the moment you said National Anthem, I started getting goosebumps because that is, and still, even like when I'm at a regular game, every time I hear the National Anthem, that kind of is like, for some reason, a very visceral moment for me. And I don't think it's just about the National Anthem. It's something about like that. It's about to happen. Like, that's always the trigger in our heads for.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Timing.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Yes. And at the Super Bowl, it just is at another level every single time. That's one of my favorite moments when they're videotaping everybody and you see guys just like so emotional, like just like caged dogs, ready to get out there. And man, puts you right back into it for sure.

• 34:27Travis Kelce?

  It really does, man.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  The National Anthem, anytime you watch it, like especially in the big games, you know, you got the Jets flying over, you got the military there. The fans are going, you know what I mean? And you got, you know, someone's crying. You know, that's, that's, that, because that, like you said, it's ripe, it's calm before the storm. It's about to, it's about to go down.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  And it's been like that since we were kids.

• 34:52Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  Right after the National Anthem, we're going and we're playing ball.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:56Travis Kelce?

  Head button, everybody. Fucking fire up, man.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  I'm fired up for the Super Bowl, baby. I can't wait. Pats, Seahawks, we appreciate you hopping on, Jules. You're the man, brother.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  No problem, guys. Thanks for having me.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Thank you to Julian Edelman. Edelnet did not disappoint.

• 35:11Travis Kelce?

  Jules is the man, dude.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  But we do have one more guest. We do, we've heard from the Patriots side in contingency. Now it's time to go to Seattle. We have.

• 35:20Travis Kelce?

  The other white wide out.

• 35:25Speaker 01

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• 35:33Travis Kelce?

  Hey, you guys know what time of year it is. It's tax season.

• 35:36Speaker 01

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• 35:41Travis Kelce?

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• 36:02Travis Kelce?

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• 36:37Travis Kelce?

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• 36:54Travis Kelce?

  The Reese's Oreo Cup is one of those drop everything announcements. That's right. One of those remember where you were when they heard it announcements.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you remember where you were when you heard that they were coming out with Reese's Oreo Cups, Travis?

• 37:09Travis Kelce?

  Well, I can certainly tell you where I was headed when I found out the closest place had Reese's Oreo Cups. That's where I was going.

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• 37:33Travis Kelce?

  We've shown you over the last few weeks, some of the incredible new features Acrobat has to offer, but what about non-football content?

• 37:42Speaker 01

  That's right. We've had so many amazing guests this season, and in order to have meaningful conversations, a lot of research goes into every interview prep.

• 37:50Travis Kelce?

  How about it, Brandon? Why don't you take your final victory lap, showing the 92%ers here how PDF Spaces can be used for interview prep?

• 38:00Speaker 01

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• 38:02Speaker 04

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• 38:47Travis Kelce?

  That's right. PDF Spaces is the smartest way to prep for and enjoy authentic conversations.

• 38:54Speaker 01

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• 39:22Speaker 05

  That's awesome. The most proud I am is that you rounded up from 6'1" to 6'2". That was the best part of the whole thing right there.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  I'm the same way. I'm 6'3".

• 39:30Speaker 05

  That's all the things. Yeah, let's go. I'll take it.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  A combine will get you, man. They go down to the eighth of an inch. It's not fair.

• 39:39Travis Kelce?

  I was 6'5" my whole life and at the combine, I'm 6'4" and 7'8". I'm like, you motherfuckers couldn't give me one more eighth of an inch.

• 39:48Speaker 05

  You learn a lot at the combine, man. You learn a lot even about yourself. Even about yourself like, oh, I had no idea I was that short. That's crazy.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  I'm that slow. I thought I ran a 4'7". I didn't know I was running a...

• 39:59Speaker 05

  Hey, you're telling me. You're telling me.

• 40:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, wanted to jump it off, man. Congrats on the year so far, man. NFC champs. You know how to do this thing though, man. Obviously, you have literally the best run in playoff history at the wide receiver position, man. In terms of the stats and touchdowns and going out there and actually getting the fucking dub in the big game, man. How does it feel to get back to the Super Bowl?

• 40:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's pretty sweet. You just don't take these things for granted. I mean, we've all been lucky enough to be on parts of teams that get to the show and, you know, make it happen, get the chance to play in the big one. And I've also been a part of, we've all been part of really good teams where like, man, the belief is that you're there. You're going through training camp. You're like, we're going to the Super Bowl. Like, we know the work. Like, we have everything it takes to get there and you don't and you fall short. And so to be in this place, to be able to, you know, week in, week out, find a way to get wins and get here, it's a special thing.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  How has it been with the new team? Obviously, you know, this is, not a lot of people from the outside saw it coming. I'm sure you guys seen it from your perspective, had high expectations. What's it, what's the team camaraderie been like all year? You know, how has it been being in Seattle?

• 41:14Speaker 05

  It's been good. I mean, obviously it was a new experience coming over here with the new team and all that. But I mean, there was a... There was a belief early on, you said that the, I mean, it was exactly what Mike McDonald said up there on that stage. You were, we did not care. You know, it was like this whole thing, like all the narratives, all this other stuff. Like, no, we're just going about our business. We're going to handle our stuff. And it was, it was that, it was that from day one, from OT's on, it's like, man, we're just going to do what we do and get better and better and better. And it wasn't like this, this isn't one of those teams that I would've said day one, but oh yeah, we got all the pieces together to go make this thing happen. It was truly like a, a build, a slow build of like, hey, this is coming together and gelling and the guys are coming together.

• 41:57Speaker 05

  The belief in one another, the camaraderie of the, just the people, the, the energy of the locker room is, is special.

• 42:05Travis Kelce?

  You could feel the energy in the fucking preseason, Coop. I remember playing you guys in the preseason, dude. And I was like, I was sitting there on this, on the sideline in the second half, watching, watching my guys try and battle. Your guys is like, kind of like second and third string guys. And I'm sitting, I'm just like, this team has the fucking juice. Like these guys love playing the game of football and they do, and they do it together. And it wasn't just the starters. It wasn't just the guys after that. It was all the way through the end of the game, man. And when you see guys loving to play the game together like that, man, having, having that energy, having that excitement is the start of it. And then from there, you, you obviously have great coaches, great leaders. Um, you gotta tell, you gotta talk to us about, about a guy named Sam Darnold.

• 42:49Travis Kelce?

  How fun has it been fucking seeing that guy grow into the, the, to the Super Bowl quarterback that he is today?

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Ginger Cuz.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  Ginger Cuz. I was waiting for it. I was waiting for it. He's been the man. Uh, he, I mean, uh, honestly, quarterbacks in general, they are on the highest pedestal of like, you do not have a whole lot of time to prove yourself before you get counted out. And for Sam Donald to do what he did, going through this time with the Jets, with Carolina, all the scarring that happens. That's like, man, everything gets put on you that's saying you, you aren't this anymore. Like you're not that guy. For him to push through all those things, to go to San Francisco, to learn his stuff there, to be able to like take in. And all this, the Shanahan, like, man, this is, I, I can do this system. I believe in this, what, how this is done, how this quarterback, how quarterbacks are asked to play this game, to go and do it for K O C in Minnesota.

• 43:42Speaker 05

  And then to come over here and just ball out like this. I mean, it's just incredible. It, it, it's not talked about enough how special and how difficult that is for quarterbacks to do. It's, it is not an easy thing and he's, he's kind of, you know, he's gone against, you know, common belief about quarterbacks and how, how it works. You know, so it's a, it's just special.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  I could not agree more, man. And like, listen, I keep getting asked like, who are you rooting for in the game? And like, I, I don't really have a horse in the race. Like, I like storylines on both sides, but it's hard to not want this to happen for Sam. It really is. Cause I think anybody that's been in the league and struggled through it yourself and had to persevere through ups and downs. Like, it is very difficult, especially once that narrative throughout the league has already been set. It's hard to get that next opportunity.

• 44:29Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  For him to be able to do this multiple times, have to reaffirm himself and to have the year he's had on a special team right now, like it's, it, it's hard not to root for the ginger cuz, man.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  What's, what's the better nickname? Ginger cuz or buddy?

• 44:46Speaker 05

  Oh, come on now.

• 44:51Speaker 05

  Maybe, maybe he feels a different way about it, but don't, don't call me buddy. Don't call me buddy.

• 44:59Speaker 05

  You know, I, I got a little ginger in the beer. If they're calling me ginger cuz, I'm like, I'll take ginger cuz. Don't call me buddy. Call me ginger cuz. I'm checking out. Okay. I'm at, I'm at a gas station getting something. You call me ginger cuz, that's fine. I'm good. Don't call me buddy.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  Don't call me buddy.

• 45:16Travis Kelce?

  I'm pretty sure we had, uh, had our guy Matt Stafford on here talking about how you're attending early QB meetings. You still, you still in the QB room?

• 45:25Speaker 05

  I'm still in the QB room. They can't get me out of there, man. It's my room now. Took over.

• 45:30Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Let me ask you this, and I think I already know the answer, but just for like people watching, why do you attend the QB meetings? What does a receiver get out of going to the QB meetings?

• 45:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, I mean, for me, it's a QB perspective. I want to hear, I, I, one, I want to be in the, I want to be watching the film with the quarterback. When he's taking his notes, when he's kind of diagnosing, okay, there's, these are the things that I'm seeing. These are the things that even like, give me concern, you know, that maybe the coach, it's not from the coach's, it's from the quarterback's perspective, this is concerning to me. And maybe he's like, has a thought about how it wants, how he would want to attack or how he, what his answers he want, what answer he wants that to be. You know, I get to be in there and I get to be at the, at the genesis of it all. But then the other part of it is to be in the meetings themselves. Cause now like in the receiver room, they're not going to

• 46:17Speaker 05

  touch on the, the progression of a quarterback. You know what I mean? Like they're not saying, hey, this is one high, two I this way. It's like, no, we're running a bench route. You know what I mean? And so I want to know on the backside, if I'm running a China route on the backside, well, how much time do I have in my first in the progression and my fourth in the progression? That really changes how I'm going to run my route and when I can be ready, when the quarterback expects me to be ready for the ball. You know what I mean?

• 46:41Speaker 01

  I love this.

• 46:41Travis Kelce?

  Did you ever play a little quarterback?

• 46:43Speaker 05

  So my dad was a quarterback.

• 46:46Speaker 05

  So my, yeah. So my dad was a quarterback in the NFL for a couple of years. Um, he backed up, he was third string to Troy Aikman. And then Jason Garrett actually beat out my dad, uh, for the third spot with the, with the Cowboys. Um, so, so my dad, if, so I learned receiver from my dad, a quarterback. You know, it's like, when I run a route, I wasn't getting told what to do as a receiver. I was getting told, no, you can't do that. Cause the quarterback's not going to like that. You know what I mean? So, so he was, he was on me early. He was on me early about like sticking my foot in the ground. Like, no, you have to like, you have to indicate your indicator is not good enough. That's it. That's it. So.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Indicator, what's?

• 47:24Travis Kelce?

  We're talking in code to this fucking fat boy. Yeah.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  I don't know shit about an indicator. What's this?

• 47:29Speaker 05

  I gotta use my body to communicate to the quarterback. I want to like, he's going to see me 20 yards away. And when I make a move or do something, I'm going to do something that's indicating I'm breaking down. And I'm going to be in the spot that you're expecting me to go, right? Cause he's going to be letting the ball go when my back's to him. So he needs to know like, man, hey, it's happening now. You know, I need to be able to put in the foot, my foot in the ground when I'm breaking in or out and how I'm rolling. So I can't just like, you can't just ooze into like a, a deep out route. You gotta like, put your foot in the ground like, I'm going now. You know what I mean? So he knows that it's coming.

• 48:03Travis Kelce?

  Poop, I think, and that's so good. That was a great way to describing it. I think what you do that's different from others is that you're giving those indicators. indicators to the quarterback, but you never give those indicators to the defense. And that's so hard because the defense is watching those indicators. And I do a whole lot of bullshit to make up for my speed. Like I'm, I'm doing skips and, and things with my shoulders and things, you know, I'm doing all this shit just to get this much separation where you actually have the speed and you have the shoulder lean. And you give none of those indicators as well as like when you want to really get open on a double move and things like that. But you're giving the defense no indicators that you're going to be going one way or the other. And that, that keeps the timing of these routes so true.

• 48:47Travis Kelce?

  And it's why you've always been mirrored up with your quarterback so well, man.

• 48:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah. Try to do it. Try to do it as a, you know, I, I'm like, I ran a four, six, right? So like, I gotta do the hop and skip and the, I gotta do the little jack now. I gotta do a little bit of this. You know what I mean?

• 49:05Travis Kelce?

  You got it all. You got it all in the, in the bag, but I'm, I'm, a lot of those deeper routes, you don't have all the, you don't have all that ability to really get into that kind of stuff. So that's what I was.

• 49:14Speaker 05

  You don't have the time. Exactly. Exactly. I get it.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Well, just gonna ask like, listen, you were in the Rams for a very long time with one head coach. What's it been like having a new head coach and Mike McDonald, right? Like, has it been different being offense versus defense? Like, how's that been for you?

• 49:29Speaker 05

  Offensively, if you don't have a great day, it's okay because the coach is going to be so pumped at how good a practice went.

• 49:40Speaker 05

  You know how it goes. It's like, it's like, oh, hey, defense had a great day today. It doesn't matter what the offense did. Hey, bring it up, boys. This is great.

• 49:52Speaker 05

  Where before it didn't matter, like, it didn't matter how, what the energy was of practice. If the offense wasn't on it, it was a terrible day.

• 50:02Speaker 05

  Getting absolutely crushed. So that's nice being on the other end of that, that side of things. But honestly, those two guys like Sean and Mike, both on two separate ends with terms of the offense and the defense. But they are, they are doing it at the highest level of those two sides. And so it's cool. It's cool to see it. And I like to sit in there with Mike and. I I used to sit in with Sean and be able to talk through stuff and be able to talk like, you know, the 500, 600 level football stuff. And now it's sitting there and and I used to like, I could like, you know, talk with I'm like, yeah, I can, I can live at this place and like communicate. And you start talking to Mike, you know, oh, I don't know what I'm talking about. Like this is this defense like defense is a whole nother world that, you know, maybe you

• 50:43Speaker 05

  don't, you think that you understand what you're doing offensively and attacking stuff. There's a whole nother world out there that you don't understand and the depth of it. You know, and I'm reminded of that over and over again as I play in this game, the depth of detail that there is in the NFL is it's it's it's an ocean.

• 51:01Travis Kelce?

  It just keeps going, man.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  And it's different the way it is in different systems like cover three is just like such a generic term for a way that everybody thinks about what that is right and how it's taught versus like different formations and clusters and what teams do specifically in their progressions and.

• 51:17Travis Kelce?

  How it changes week to week.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  No doubt.

• 51:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  You obviously played with Matthew Stafford for a long time, now with Sam Darnold. What are the difference between those two guys in particular?

• 51:27Speaker 05

  You know, one's got red hair, one's got gray hair. They, I mean, it's, it's, it's like, it is great, though, being like Matthew's thing when he comes in, it's like, oh, I've seen that, like any look, oh, I saw that, you know, 2012, week four, like they they brought that same pressure. It's like, okay, this is you're ridiculous, dude.

• 51:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 51:47Speaker 05

  Like, you can't, you can't, you can't compete with the experience that he has because it's not just the experience, it's not just time, it's like, it's memory, it's like he has all that stored in this database. He's like an, he's like an AI center and it's like, it's built into his brain and he just like, he's just like pulling these things like, dude, knowing I can't keep up with you, you're you're just rolling. And you know, for Sam, Sam is so processed, just like, man, he's, he's seen a lot, he's been in a lot of different situations and he carries that stuff with him well, but a lot of it is his process and his preparing through the week. It's like, man, it's just, he's so on, hey, I'm in here until seven o'clock, seven o'clock, you know, I'm moving on to my next.

• 52:31Speaker 05

  Thing and I'm on it. He's just boom like a robot on on his stuff. So you know, when he gets there, when he gets to the game on Sunday, it's like, man, he's just gone through. He's so prepared for that moment to step out there and play. Or he's almost over. It's like, you don't have to poop at seven every morning. You know what I mean? Like, you can do other things.

• 52:47Travis Kelce?

  Wants to be ready for it, man.

• 52:48Speaker 05

  He wants to be ready.

• 52:49Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man. Well, I'm sure it was, uh, it was pretty weird, uh, lining up to get your former teammate or yeah, former teammates and, uh, former team. Um, but you were in quotes saying it was cool that we had to go through the Rams. The script writers did a good job with that one. I'm glad you're you're a believer in the script writers as well. They were, uh, they were definitely writing the script for, uh, me and Jason to go to the Super Bowl when we started this, uh, new highest podcast. So.

• 53:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, you remember the meetings. Yeah. It's good.

• 53:18Travis Kelce?

  Exactly.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  That was crazy, wasn't it? I mean, uh, uh, and like I said, I've, I've touched on this before, but there's, there's so many guys in the like playing that game. You don't want, no one wants to make it about themselves and what like, oh, it's my story, you know, but like in my world, that was a crazy story for it to.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  That was wild.

• 53:39Travis Kelce?

  Were you in, uh, those, uh, defensive meetings, letting them know about, uh, all of McVeigh's, uh, tricks up his sleeve and, uh, I've always wondered when a guy goes to the other team.

• 53:50Speaker 05

  No, it is, it's hard. I mean, you can't like, yeah, I know a lot of the stuff that they do. I don't know if it's changed, you know, but I can like sit there and be like, okay, yeah, this is looks like, I know that signal. I know like what this may be some of these like, you know, hurry of offense, what they're doing. But how do you, as a coach, how do you tell the defense like, oh, hey, don't listen to what my call is. I need you to listen to what they're doing. And then, you know, I mean.

• 54:15Travis Kelce?

  And they know you're, and McVeigh knew you were over there and like, that could be a possibility. So they're changing signals and all of a sudden, you know, you can get caught in a tough position. I just had to ask.

• 54:24Speaker 05

  Exactly. And no, it just doesn't, it just, I just don't know that it really works, you know? It's a little, I think there's little, there's little things, little pieces like, hey, this little indicator maybe of something. That's like, it's a broad thing. Like, hey, this might indicate. You know, these kinds of plays are coming versus being like, oh, this is the exact play that's that's coming.

• 54:45Travis Kelce?

  To put that in the back of somebody's mind with everything else that you got to deal with in the on the football field, I feel like it's almost like a crutch to be able to like have somebody thinking that much about all of it. So I'm right there with you. Yeah.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  How is the coop chant been with the 12th man instead of the Rams fans this year? Is it feel weird or is it? What do you? How do you feel about it?

• 55:07Speaker 05

  It's been pretty solid. I'll tell you what.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  Lumen's crazy. Like playing in Lumen, it gets rowdy. And I've been on the other side of it. It's really similar, though. It used to be like, I used to run onto the field, you know, for part early on, and you'd get the boos. Now I run on, I just get the coo.

• 55:32Speaker 05

  I've kind of been here before.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 55:36Travis Kelce?

  You got another unbelievable wide receiver in the wide receiver room with you in Seattle right now. JSN is absolutely taking this league by storm. I think he's right now, in terms of every single route he's running, pound for pound, one of the best fucking wide receivers I've ever seen play this damn game, man. He's he's so fun to watch and he has that ability to just do it with ease. Similar to how so similar to how you are. He doesn't give a lot of indicators on the deeper on the deeper routes and he's always on time. And then his big play ability is through the fucking roof.

• 56:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:11Travis Kelce?

  Did you coach him up at all? Did you give him experience? Like, how was it when you got in the wide receiver room over there?

• 56:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was good. Um, yeah, I basically have built Jackson myself.

• 56:28Speaker 05

  No, he, yeah, he was so, I mean, he was so good. When I got here, like watching him go through OTAs, like dude, this dude's special, you know, and I don't think like you never know. Going into a season, you know, statistically, what the production is going to be like, what are we going to be like as an offense? You know, that dictates a lot of it as well. But he's just over and over again, made the plays like when the opportunities come, we don't throw the ball. Like, we're not super high up on the list in terms of how often we're throwing the ball. But when we do, and when the opportunity comes his way, he's making the play. You know what I mean? And I think to do that, you gotta be consistently getting open, like consistently open. You see, you don't know when that time's going to be when the ball is coming your way. And so, uh, he's just been special in that way.

• 57:12Speaker 05

  And, uh, like you said, no indicators, like he's so smooth. He plays at one level the entire time, you know, he can, he can run a, he can run a, you know, a, a 15 yard outbreaking speed cut route. And never changed, it's like the same level the entire time. He just kind of force turns, force turns the sideline and, and comes plays negative coming out of his, out of his brakes. And, um, it's pretty, yeah, it's really special seeing him, seeing him do his thing.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Dude, it's so smooth, like the effortlessness of it and like, yeah, it's, it's fun to watch him just run.

• 57:43Speaker 05

  He's similar to, I mean, you played with, uh, with, uh, Devante Smith.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  Devante's, I was about to say they're very similar in the way they move.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  Super smooth runner, but you know, Jax is built a little more like a, like Daniel, like a running back when you see him.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  A little bit stocky, you've got some girth to him.

• 57:58Speaker 05

  You got a little more, yeah, you got a little more girthiness to him.

• 58:03Travis Kelce?

  He's, he seems like a great dude, man, and I love the combo you guys had, but I got, I gotta ask you about my guy, A.J. Barner in the tight end room, man. Northeast Ohio ball player, baby. Northeast Ohio ball player. I got a chance to say what's up to him at, at tight end U, man. And I, outside of like the on field stuff and him really like being a big part of this offense in the, in the run game and pass game, man. His energy, his swagger as, as, as a young cat in the league, man, I fucking love it, man. And I'm so happy for that dude, but you gotta tell me, you got any good A.J. stories?

• 58:38Speaker 05

  I got some great A.J. stories. I don't know that I just got, prom is choosing one that he wouldn't be upset about me sharing.

• 58:47Travis Kelce?

  There you go, there you go. Well, what was your first impression? When your first impression coming in, I'm sure you knew him to an extent because he was playing in Seattle, but.

• 58:55Speaker 05

  My first impression of him, I was like, wow, this is like a young Tyler Higbee.

• 59:00Travis Kelce?

  Dude, Higgs is another guy, dude, fucking love Higgs, man.

• 59:03Speaker 05

  Higgs is one of my all time favorite, human beings, teammates. He was a man. He's a freak. He's the man. I sat next to him in the huddle for eight years. Like one of my favorite dudes. And I'm like, this is, this dude runs routes. He blocks. He does all the stuff, right? It's all the stuff. As you get to know him more, like he's got a very unique energy about him. And how, I mean, he's like, he's the dude that's like, he's the dude that's like barking in the team meetings. You know, he's got like, he's got something to say every time. Something to say. And you know, 90% of the time it's awesome. 10% of the time, you just kind of, 10% of the time, you just kind of let it kind of just, you know, go over your head. It's like, okay, yeah.

• 59:45Travis Kelce?

  Oh, barnyard. That's a banger right there, man. I can't wait to see him in the Super Bowl, man. I know he's gonna be turned.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  We had Julian Edelman on already. All right. He had one question for you.

• 59:55Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  He's having some problems with his French press. He doesn't know the right ratio. What do we got for him? What do we got for him?

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  He's hopeless. He's, I tried.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  I've already tried with him. I can't, I've already tried it. I walked him through it. The first time he showed me, he was making coffee. He's day near, I mean, he's day near drinking his coffee with just grounds all, I mean, he's just like, he's chewing his coffee, basically.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  He's got that Turkish coffee. He's got the grounds in it, right?

• 1:00:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's exactly. He's drinking his coffee with a spoon. Listen, he's got, you have to measure things. You can't just like throw it together, right? It's ratios. You gotta have a feel. You gotta have a little bit of detail. And for Julian Edelman, for Julian Edelman, the most, one of the most detailed receivers to just like throw things together. Oh, it broke my heart.

• 1:00:52Travis Kelce?

  You wanted to see the attention to detail. He, he turned that shit off, man.

• 1:00:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Slow yourself down, Julian. Slow yourself down. Make yourself a nice cup of joe. Make it a nice little process. We good.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Well, timeout, hold on. I want to get the inside scoop though for myself though. What is the ratio? What do, what do, what is, what is Coop doing with his coffee?

• 1:01:11Speaker 05

  Most French presses, the plunger won't go all the way to the bottom, right? So the plunger will leap, like, have you made French press before?

• 1:01:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Yes, I have.

• 1:01:19Speaker 05

  Okay. So the French press won't plunge all the way to the bottom. So if you want to start. See where that spot is and just fill the grounds up to right where that is.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Ah, okay.

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  Most of them, most of them will be pretty, that'll be pretty accurate. So you will start there and then you go there and you fill up the whole, fill up your whole thing and you can press it. You know, wait six, wait six minutes or so. Make sure your grind's good. You want a nice coarse grind with French press. Don't want to be a super, you don't want to be, you know what I mean? If you get too, too fine, you're gonna have the, the, if you're over extract, you're gonna have the, you're gonna have the grounds all coming up through that plunger. You don't want to do that. You don't want to.

• 1:01:57Travis Kelce?

  That makes sense. That makes sense.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Let's talk some more about this. What is, is French press the best method of brewing?

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  Well, what beans do you have, right? Cause there's actual, people will notice there's certain coffee beans that are made for espresso. There's certain ones for drip. There's certain beans with their oil contents of things that like.

• 1:02:14Travis Kelce?

  Where are you getting your French press beans from?

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  My French press beans, I'm, I, I, I honestly don't, I'm getting from Dodo is where I'm getting them from.

• 1:02:21Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  You know it.

• 1:02:23Travis Kelce?

  I know if we were down in Guatemala, I know, yeah.

• 1:02:26Speaker 05

  The, the Guatemala, Guatemala's a good one. I got, we got some good ones from Guatemala. It would do a good French press.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  I've done French press. I've tried getting a Mocha master. I've got an Aero press, grinders. I've tried the beans. I don't, I've not mastered the beans. I'm not jacking the bean stock yet.

• 1:02:41Speaker 05

  Are you gonna be in Santa Clara this week?

• 1:02:42Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah, we're up there, baby.

• 1:02:44Speaker 05

  Come by.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Perfect. Can I show you the grinder I got? This will show you how, this is, this will show you how novice I am. I'm gonna show you the grinder I bought.

• 1:02:52Travis Kelce?

  You're about to get this dude. You're gonna see the attention to detail of a, of a Pro Bowl center.

• 1:02:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Travis Kelce?

  This dude is, this dude is there. He, he was the one that broke out the directions as a kid for the Legos instead of just putting them.

• 1:03:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, I hope.

• 1:03:08Travis Kelce?

  This dude, he's so, he's been waiting to ask you this forever.

• 1:03:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is great. I hope he just brings a hammer and it's like, I usually just use this. I just pick the beans until they look good and then just dump them into this cup.

• 1:03:20Speaker 06

  Grinder. I wanted to be on record. I fucking hate this goddamn industrial.

• 1:03:27Travis Kelce?

  Kylie from the stairs.

• 1:03:32Speaker 05

  Uh, I need.

• 1:03:33Travis Kelce?

  Know it's about to be a fucking hammer.

• 1:03:35Speaker 05

  I'm ready to save the day. I need, listen, you guys, you guys send me, send me his address. I'm gonna send him a whole setup. It'll be, it'll be, it's, it's.

• 1:03:44Travis Kelce?

  We're gonna send you two addresses because I need this too.

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  Yeah. You, you let me know, send me the address. I'm gonna send you, it's, it's gonna do everything for you. It's, you're gonna have, you're gonna be able to measure out what you need. It's gonna grind them how you're supposed to have them. It's gonna do it all, do, gonna do it all right. Cause this is, people come over to our house all the time and like, oh, this is so good. This is great. Like so much better than I make at my house. It's like, yeah, cause you're making it like a, like a.

• 1:04:08Travis Kelce?

  What you take this out of the wall?

• 1:04:13Travis Kelce?

  What the?

• 1:04:14Speaker 05

  Looks like.

• 1:04:15Travis Kelce?

  Fuck is that?

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  I.

• 1:04:17Travis Kelce?

  That's like a whole Dell computer, dude.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Accidentally, I bought an industrial coffee grinder on accident. I thought I was getting a home.

• 1:04:27Speaker 05

  This is crazy. That looks like something, goodness gracious. If it's, it's a gun safe. That thing's crazy.

• 1:04:36Travis Kelce?

  That's hilarious. That's the biggest coffee grinder I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  When, when that thing showed up, Kyle, Kyle was like, what in the fuck are you doing?

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  The entire house just stinks in the morning.

• 1:04:49Travis Kelce?

  Coffee for the entire block.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:04:52Speaker 05

  I was telling Trav, let me, you got, you got, tell me where to send it. I'm gonna send you a whole setup. It's a whole coffee setup. It's gonna look nice. Your wife's gonna love it. It's gonna set up on the counter. You're like, oh, this is like, this is good. This looks good.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 1:05:05Speaker 05

  It's gonna make a coffee. I got, I got you set up.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Have you always been a coffee guy? When did you start getting on the coffee? Coffee's really, it's a performance enhancer in the league. Like if you don't drink coffee, you're, you're, you're doing yourself a disservice.

• 1:05:16Speaker 05

  You're not, you're not trying. If you're not drinking some coffee. You'll come in here, if I, if I see you walking around with a cup of coffee, I'm like, I'm questioning your commitment to what we're doing.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:05:28Travis Kelce?

  When did you start it up though?

• 1:05:30Speaker 05

  Secretly, my mom would buy me coffee like early middle, middle school. My dad hated it.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  No way.

• 1:05:35Speaker 05

  My dad, my dad.

• 1:05:37Travis Kelce?

  Dude, he's been in the game for a minute.

• 1:05:40Speaker 05

  I've been in the game. I've been in the game for a while.

• 1:05:42Travis Kelce?

  Are you a sweetener or you like the taste of the beans? You don't wanna, you don't wanna mess with the beans?

• 1:05:46Speaker 05

  Blackity, black, black. Just.

• 1:05:49Travis Kelce?

  You gotta get the taste. You gotta get the taste.

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  And go. What, what are you guys? Are you, I mean?

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  I'm black all the way. I was about to say I'm black and for some reason I don't, I don't really like espresso as much as I like actual coffee, coffee. I will do espresso like I'm, I don't discriminate, especially after like a nice dinner.

• 1:06:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  All in on the espresso, espresso martini. Hey now.

• 1:06:10Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  But I, there's something about like a, a coffee that I just really enjoy.

• 1:06:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  The taste.

• 1:06:18Speaker 05

  It's a drip coffee. It's a nice drip coffee. Yep.

• 1:06:21Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I'm right there with you. I'm, I'm straight up. I like the coffee straight and then I like, uh, I'll go back. We, we have like five, we have like six flavors from a Kansas City roasting, uh, company that I'll go and get. I'll switch it up by the week. I'll go and get like a dark, like roast and then I'll go back and get like a nice hazelnut and it'll be a little, like the taste of the beans will make it feel like I have like a sweetener in there or something, but he like kinda changes the notes.

• 1:06:55Speaker 05

  The, the beans themselves have flavor.

• 1:06:58Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah. You know it. You know it, man. The different, the way they roast it. Oh, it's the fucking best, man.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  Very interesting.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  We got one last question for you.

• 1:07:05Speaker 05

  All right.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  Do you have a welcome to the Super Bowl moment?

• 1:07:09Speaker 05

  You saying like, well, I can't believe that I'm playing in the Super Bowl or like a, the one where you get hit really hard and you're like, oh, this is a Super Bowl.

• 1:07:18Travis Kelce?

  Either one you wanna go with? Yeah.

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  Ah, man, I don't know. I mean, cause my first Super Bowl, I was on the sidelines. You know, I was, I had a torn ACL in 2018 against, uh, when Julian Edelman won Super Bowl MVP and, um, And so I think maybe my this is this would be my welcome to Super Bowl moment. Standing on the sidelines and feeling the chaos on our sidelines when Bill Belichick decided we're going 6-1 the entire game. Completely changed the, you know, completely changed your game plan, show something you've never done before. And just show up in the Super Bowl saying this is what we're going to do and we're going to do it every single snap. That was like, oh, this is this is the Super Bowl like this is this is like you make like the guys that can make the guy that can sit there and make that decision.

• 1:08:05Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 1:08:06Travis Kelce?

  It's insane to even think about.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Belichick has been in the news a lot recently with everything and regardless of any of that stuff. That was one of the most masterful, well-done coaching jobs, to be honest with you like. And it wasn't just 6-1. He would also, he was like waiting for the headset to turn off so that Sean could check the play in, right? And then when it got checked, he would move it to something else. That game was wild to watch.

• 1:08:29Speaker 05

  It was crazy. He was doing, you you've seen like the mic'd up where he was like, hey, where is he? Where is he? He's he's watching Sean. It's like, hey, we're going to show one thing. Mike clicks off at 15 seconds on the play clock and it's like, boom, okay, now we're getting into what we're doing. Because we were so much at the line of scrimmage that year, Sean really calling things all up until the ball snapped essentially. Um, you know, that was, that was insane. But I mean, for Bill to come out and we got for his plan being, I'm just going to watch Sean. And we're going to wait until he calls it and I'm going to change it. And we're just going to do this thing like we're putting six guys up on the ball. We're going to knock out the mid-zone run game. Third down, third down, they still did the Bill Belichick, you know, they they had their Stephon Gilmore on on on Brand Cooks.

• 1:09:14Speaker 05

  They doubled Robert Woods, like they still did the same thing that they they always do, but that was, that was a baller move by a by old. Old William Bilic.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  William.

• 1:09:26Travis Kelce?

  Slick Willie.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  I lied. I got one more question. What do you think? What does Seattle need to do to win this game, brother? What are the keys to victory for you guys, you think?

• 1:09:34Speaker 05

  We've said this over and over again, and it's, it's, it's cliche, it's cliche, you know? What did, what did you say?

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Well, don't turn the ball over.

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  But I do think it comes down to us. It's like, hey, be us. Be, be the people that we've been all the way through the same. It's been our process and it's been like, it's kind of a joke now, I guess, but you know, Mike gets up there and you, for a team meeting and you want, he wants to have some words for us and you want to be like, man, bring some like juice or something. It's like, no, no, no. We're gonna go out there and be us. Like, that's our thing. That is what we do. We go out there and we run through people's faces. We're gonna run the ball. We're gonna pass the ball. Our defense is gonna run and hit. I just, this is, this is what we do and it's why we are in this position right now. And so we're not gonna change that. We're gonna, we're gonna go out there and do the things that we've done to get us to this place. And that's all you can do. That's all you can do anyways. So we talk about all we want, but.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  They are who we thought they were.

• 1:10:33Travis Kelce?

  Coop, man, you're the fucking man. I can't wait to catch you out there and talk some French press dog, but wishing you the best, man, and go out there and get you another one, brother.

• 1:10:42Speaker 05

  Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

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• 1:10:46Travis Kelce?

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• 1:10:53Speaker 01

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• 1:11:04Travis Kelce?

  That's the Xfinity five-year price guarantee. One price for five years guaranteed.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

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• 1:11:14Travis Kelce?

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• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  A lot of things are gonna change in five years. Who knows what's next, right?

• 1:11:25Travis Kelce?

  But Xfinity members, they'll still be paying that same internet price.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

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• 1:11:34Travis Kelce?

  Xfinity. Imagine that, proud partner of Team USA.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

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• 1:11:44Travis Kelce?

  Pepsi's reviving their iconic Pepsi Paradox Challenge. It's the idea that when labels and bias disappear, cola drinkers prefer to taste a Pepsi.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  And we have an exclusive sneak peek for this campaign for the 92%ers. Let's take a look. This can be heavy. Whoa.

• 1:12:03Travis Kelce?

  It's just happened to me.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  I see what they're doing here.

• 1:12:07Travis Kelce?

  Pepsi and pizza.

• 1:12:11Travis Kelce?

  This is epic.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Oh my God. Wow. This is good. This is very good.

• 1:12:20Travis Kelce?

  This is classic right here. Who doesn't love a good Pepsi and pizza too, man? That was a subtle, but it made me want one right then and there with a slice of pizza.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

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• 1:12:42Travis Kelce?

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• 1:12:50Speaker 01

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• 1:12:54Travis Kelce?

  You're right. Not checking if your phone is on silent before starting the podcast recording. Rookie move. Not smart.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

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• 1:13:05Travis Kelce?

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• 1:13:14Speaker 01

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• 1:13:29Travis Kelce?

  Dude, he's the best.

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  I can't wait to learn about coffee.

• 1:13:31Travis Kelce?

  I'm kind of, I feel a little bit more confident than you may, but at the same time, a French press is a different world.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Let's wrap up this episode with some stamps of the week. How about that, Trav?

• 1:13:41Travis Kelce?

  Hey, man.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  Stamp of the week is brought to you by Adobe Acrobat.

• 1:13:44Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man. Who doesn't like a nice organized app for everything you need documented? All right. Who we got here? Stamp of the week, stamp of the week, stamp of the week. What is this? Punch? Somebody punched their hair off?

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  If you didn't check out this clip, watch this one. This guy was wearing the toupee, uppercut so vicious it knocks his hair off.

• 1:14:03Travis Kelce?

  No, oh no, oh no. What do you ask for? How did he, did he ask for that? You just go into the barber shop and ask them if they got any toupees?

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  I don't know where you get the toupee from, or how it's here down, or if the barber shop, I don't know a lot of those details.

• 1:14:23Travis Kelce?

  This second picture is crazy. I think he won the fight though.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  Did he win?

• 1:14:27Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I think they, they later threw it into the crowd and I think he won the fight.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  I mean, he was a good sport about it. He definitely was not too nervous or shy about it. He was living it up after that, kind of dancing around. Could you imagine catching that?

• 1:14:40Travis Kelce?

  Dude, no, I can't imagine getting a toupee either, but that shit's fucking hilarious.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Make a nice coaster.

• 1:14:48Travis Kelce?

  Koozie?

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, got some great nominees here. We have a Philadelphia Phantoms. Kai and I went to the unrivaled game in Philadelphia. And quick shout out to these guys. They broke a record for the most regular season pro women's basketball game attendance of all time. It was 21,495. It was packed, packed to the rafters. This unrivaled thing is awesome. They do a great job. The production quality was fantastic. A lot of people were geared up for women's basketball. It was a really cool event. What else have we got? Rochester Knights hawks goalie Ryland Hartley. Uh, for stamping Vancouver Warriors defensive Steph Charbonne, Charbonneau?

• 1:15:29Travis Kelce?

  Charbonneau.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  Oh, indoor lacrosse.

• 1:15:32Travis Kelce?

  Dude.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Funny how big the goalies are in indoor lacrosse. They just got all this.

• 1:15:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh no.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:15:43Travis Kelce?

  Oh, that's a defenseless receiver right there. That's what I like to see.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:50Travis Kelce?

  You, I want, come here.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  I don't know what that guy's mad about.

• 1:15:55Travis Kelce?

  There's a fucking few brawls going on right here.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  I don't get why they're mad at the goalie. He sounds a great clean hit. That's all I saw.

• 1:16:03Travis Kelce?

  Are you allowed to do that in lacrosse?

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  I mean, you're allowed to do it on lacrosse. Yeah, you can do some lacrosse. He doesn't even hit him in the head. Dude, he didn't even hit him in the head. He hits right in the chest.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Right in the chest. Right in the chest. That is clean. I don't care what anybody says.

• 1:16:20Travis Kelce?

  Right over the chin. I love it. I'm here for it, dude. I'm here for it. You can't throw, you can't throw over the middle late, dude. That's hilarious, man.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  Electric.

• 1:16:28Travis Kelce?

  I'm about to go to some indoor lacrosse if that's what they got going in indoor lacrosse. Fuck yeah.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Also got Iowa lineman Jennings Dunker for bringing the mullet back to the senior bowl. Did you see this freaking beauty? Check out this beauty.

• 1:16:41Travis Kelce?

  Somebody's gonna get a fucking stud. I don't know if he's gonna play football, man, but this dude.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Let me just look at it. The hair, the mustache, the knee braces.

• 1:16:52Travis Kelce?

  He does look like a Clydesdale. That's hilarious.

• 1:16:57Travis Kelce?

  He's a majestic man right there.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  If you were gonna design an offensive lineman in a laboratory, this is what he would look like. I mean, look at this guy.

• 1:17:05Travis Kelce?

  This is hilarious. How many beers a day do you think this guy drinks?

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  I don't know. He's probably by the case. He doesn't even count them by the beer. This is giving me an idea, though. They, I don't think they should, you know how they do best in show for like dogs where they like trot them out? They do it for like horses too. Oh shit.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  Are you all right, Trum?

• 1:17:30Travis Kelce?

  We're good.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  You, you good?

• 1:17:33Travis Kelce?

  Fuck. Taylor's gonna kill me.

• 1:17:41Travis Kelce?

  The best in show got me.

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  Best in show for the dogs? Like they, I think, how?

• 1:17:46Travis Kelce?

  Best in show for the offensive line, yeah.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  Just have a lot of the line to check this stuff out?

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Quarterbacks walking around on a leash and they fucking put them up on the table. You got a guy measuring their ass and their belly.

• 1:18:03Travis Kelce?

  We can't be putting guys on leashes, but I hear you.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  No leashes, but you get them up on the stage. You got a guy measuring there. They like get in their stance and they like to see if their ass is in the right spot. I don't know, man.

• 1:18:15Travis Kelce?

  All I need is to prance. Just prance around. I want to see. I want to see how this guy prances.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  He's a prancer. He is. It's like, it's like the, the, what's the, at the county fair, they got like the, what is that called? When you got like the best pig, the biggest pig at the show, like prize pig right there, won the whole county fair. What are those called? You know what I mean?

• 1:18:35Travis Kelce?

  I don't know.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  I get some help here.

• 1:18:37Travis Kelce?

  Somebody help Jason.

• 1:18:38Speaker 04

  You go like a, like a stock show is what you want to do?

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like the prize pig, what else? It's just.

• 1:18:44Travis Kelce?

  I don't know if this bit's gonna end well for us.

• 1:18:46Speaker 04

  Did you guys know that he was also a Iowa meat day hay bale champion toss winner?

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  This is all, I mean, between the.

• 1:18:53Travis Kelce?

  Did we know? No, but it does, doesn't say it in how he.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  Look at that guy.

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  This should be at the combine.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm telling you, we just need to create our own version of this. Offensive lineman.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  The new offensive line combine?

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Yes. No, it's not a combine. You're misjudging this. This is not a combine.

• 1:19:13Speaker 04

  Okay, what is it? Jason, explain. What is it?

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  It's just an offensive line beauty pageant contest, but it's not, it's called something different. I don't know. It's.

• 1:19:19Travis Kelce?

  This guy cut the arms and legs off his shirts and shorts and just said, fuck it. I'm gonna go throw the fuck out of this hay.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  I've never seen offensive lineman like exude out of somebody's skin as much as I've seen.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Even the fucking name, Jennings Dunker. Are you fucking kidding me?

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  We're moving that kid's draft stock way up just on this episode alone.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  I mean, it's just like, it's like a character in a movie. Like this isn't a, but it's real life.

• 1:19:50Travis Kelce?

  This is.

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  He's got the shoulder strap on to hold his AC joint in place. I mean, what the fuck are we looking? I really like this idea of an offensive lineman, like just like being essentially a beauty contest of offensive.

• 1:20:00Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I don't need to know how fast this guy runs. I want to see how smooth. Smooth he runs. Just do a lap. Just do a lap.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  I want to see how smooth he walks in prances. That's what I want to see. What's the elegance of this guy? Shout out to Dunker. Bald guys. How about this nominee? Since Robert Salas joined the Titans, he has made five additional coaching hires. The one caveat is that you must be bald. Look at this thing.

• 1:20:23Travis Kelce?

  He's got nothing but bone, guys. I mean, I've seen, I've seen all the hair go in, uh, in Kansas City's office. I mean, dude, guys are, yeah, guys are dropping like flies.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  Stressful job, stressful job.

• 1:20:39Travis Kelce?

  I think it's stressful. It's just long hours, man. Long hours means you're not getting much sleep, which means, you know, and also this could be by choice. Guys could just be like, you know what? I don't want to fucking deal with this goddamn hair.

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  I'll tell you what, I'd hate to be in the stands on a sunny day between all the helmets and bald heads. That light is going to be reflecting. You're going to be blinding. Jesus Christ.

• 1:21:00Travis Kelce?

  Ah, damn, when you're putting Vaseline, baby oil on this shit?

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  All right, I'm, I'm giving the, the nom, I'm, I'm giving my stamp of the week to Dunker. Just because I don't even, I mean, how do you not give it to just such a beauty?

• 1:21:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I'll give it, I'll give it to my guy that fucking lost his toupee, Gerald, Gerald Miller, and still won the fight, baby. My boy Gerald.

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  How do we know he won the fight? I feel you're just randomly saying that. There's been nothing.

• 1:21:24Speaker 04

  He did win. He did win. He did win. Confirmed.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  And, uh, before we get out of stamp of the week, we have an honorable stamp of the week to give out.

• 1:21:33Travis Kelce?

  We talked about this a little bit earlier. Jason, you want to do the honors?

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  We love the kids here at, uh, New Heights. That's right. We're always thinking about how, uh, we could take this show to New Heights. We decided to bring on somebody who had one of the greatest viral moments of all time after the Eagles were eliminated this year in the playoffs. Ninety-two percenters, please welcome Sam Salvo. Let's take a look at this clip. For those of you that aren't aware, this kid has a future in the making. He, I mean, he's going to be on ESPN one day. He's going to have his own show.

• 1:21:59Speaker 01

  Who even thinks of this stuff?

• 1:22:00Speaker 06

  Yes, this was a huge letdown. This was my Christmas present and I got a loss.

• 1:22:04Travis Kelce?

  Oh, no.

• 1:22:07Speaker 06

  Probably feeling two of two things. A, I want A.J. Brown packing his bags.

• 1:22:12Travis Kelce?

  Jesus.

• 1:22:13Speaker 06

  That is not here. I love you, A.J., but like, you can't, you can't make those drops in that game.

• 1:22:19Travis Kelce?

  I love you, but pack your bags.

• 1:22:20Speaker 06

  Kevin Patullo flipping burgers at like the local McDonald's or something. I don't care. Why do you say that? Whenever he's an offensive coordinator, it's like he's flipping burgers. One side, he's cooking, one half he's cooking, and the other half is completely raw.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Dude, I just, amazing comments from a child.

• 1:22:37Travis Kelce?

  The kids in Philadelphia just come out

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  I gotta know.

• 1:22:40Travis Kelce?

  sounding like G.M.s. Do they just?

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  It's how they're born.

• 1:22:44Travis Kelce?

  It's how they're born. It's just, it's something in like the water when they grow, when they, they're born that as soon as they hit age like eight, they know how to talk like adults. Pack your bags is something they find out when they're like three years old. Like that's what you just tell Eagles players when they, when they don't play their best.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, mom's been listening to WIP Sports Take.

• 1:23:05Travis Kelce?

  That's what it is.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  Child been in the womb the whole time.

• 1:23:07Travis Kelce?

  He's just catching the radio waves.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  So they just come out with hot takes and shitting on people. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's ingrained in Philadelphia for sure.

• 1:23:20Travis Kelce?

  That kid reminds me of a gentleman named Patrick Bacon.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  Oh dude, that is, he's remarkably like maturely grown up in the way he's talking, which is what makes the whole thing.

• 1:23:31Travis Kelce?

  It's so funny.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  I want A.J. Brown packing his bags.

• 1:23:35Travis Kelce?

  I want two things. Let me tell you how I feel about the Birds right now. Two things. I'm just like, what?

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  I got a feeling this kid's dad has been regurgitating, that he's regurgitating a lot of things. He's been hearing frustrations from his dad on the drive into school every morning for the last six months. This fucking guy. Well, you're in luck, 92%ers, because we got Sam coming on the show. That's right. Sam Salvo, that is who the child is in that video, and we're gonna get his take on the new Eagles offensive coordinator, higher Sean Mannion. We felt like, let's see, uh, what his opinion is on this.

• 1:24:09Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, let's see how, see if he's flipping burgers too.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  Sam, welcome to the show.

• 1:24:13Travis Kelce?

  Hey, what's up? Flipping patties like the Eagles are flipping offensive coordinators, man. Jesus.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  He's got this bachelor for a microphone. All right, he's not holding back. Sam, I gotta know. What, what were your, uh, impressions of your viral moment of your video? What did you think? And what, what did everybody tell you at school?

• 1:24:33Speaker 05

  Went crazy like, cause I don't even know, like they just came up for no fucking reason. I don't even know that.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh. All right. I gotta know. Obviously you weren't a big fan of Kevin Patullo. What do you think of the Sean Mannion hire?

• 1:24:51Speaker 05

  Um, I hope that he can work with Jalen better than Patullo did because I think that, um, I think that if he could work with Jordan Love and make him a top tier passer in the NFL, I think that maybe he could work with Jalen better than Patullo.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh. I love this.

• 1:25:05Travis Kelce?

  And he's done his research, man.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  Sorry. What is, what are we thinking about AJ? Are we still out on AJ?

• 1:25:10Speaker 05

  I mean, ah.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  You were, you were pretty upset after the game.

• 1:25:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was very upset.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  But sometimes a couple of weeks, what, what are we thinking about AJ Brown for next year?

• 1:25:19Speaker 05

  Ah, I'm not still a hundred percent sure. I think that we could definitely build an offense around Schmitty. But I think that having someone that we can like, like sometimes rely on in some big situations to just throw to. I think that we should still have him on the team.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  I love that. He's a good player. Don't, don't, I know he had a rough go. I know he's had some frustrations. Hopefully that can be fixed with some new, uh, plays and offensive. By the way, what do you, what do you want the Eagles to run this year? What formations and schemes?

• 1:25:45Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, let's hear it. Let's hear it, dude.

• 1:25:48Speaker 05

  I want them to run, um, I want them to run it more to their strong side of their offensive line. Cause like really it was this year, it was more like, like up the middle runs and really with, um, Kellen Moore, we didn't see that as much. And that's when Saquon had like one of the best years of all time, if not the best rushing year of all time. So honestly, I think that I would like if we could run more outside plays and I think that if we could get Jalen a little bit more, um, like seeing the defense better and like recognizing sometimes like, because like on the last play of the game, it seemed like everyone was gonna blitz. I was there and like, it seemed like everyone's gonna come in like a house called blitz. So, I mean, if it was a house called blitz, the Goddard play would have worked, but they backed up into zone and they, uh, battered it down. So.

• 1:26:32Travis Kelce?

  Man, you're, you're, you're out here watching film, dude?

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  I love the commitment to the spatula. You're still talking into it like it's a microphone. Have you ever, have you ever actually flipped the burger?

• 1:26:43Speaker 05

  Actually I did last. Night, actually.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  You can go. There we go, baby. He's cooking. He's cooking.

• 1:26:49Travis Kelce?

  You get that thing nice and cooked. It was well done. Was it medium? Was it was it was one side raw?

• 1:26:54Speaker 05

  Oh, medium.

• 1:26:55Travis Kelce?

  Medium nice. A nice medium burger. Keep it juicy and cooked, baby. I like it. I like it, man.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  Well, I think it goes without saying, if football doesn't work out, you got a future in commentating, man. You are a natural at this.

• 1:27:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  You got the analyst work done really well. Outside zone, the Eagles are gonna run a lot more outside zone. That's what Shawn Manion and the McVay system is rooted in, right? Outside zone, boo. They'll still go down the middle, but yeah, you're on top of it. I love it. Well educated, good takes with some flavor to it. I love it, man. That's typical Philadelphia. Do you want, do you listen to WIP?

• 1:27:30Speaker 05

  Uh, sometimes, like when I'm in my grandma's car.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know it. I know it. I love it. He's a natural. He's a natural.

• 1:27:39Travis Kelce?

  WIP, man. Get him a segment this year, man. Once a week, see it and see how the new OC is doing.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  Who's your favorite player on the Birds right now? Who do you like?

• 1:27:47Speaker 05

  Um, that's a tough question because I really like Cooper Dejean.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  Coop? Yup.

• 1:27:51Travis Kelce?

  Coop's got the juice.

• 1:27:52Speaker 05

  I probably gotta go with Jalen Carter.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  Jalen Carter, JC, baby. That's a bad man in the middle of that defense.

• 1:28:00Travis Kelce?

  That's a big old sun buck right there, man. You ever seen him in person, dude?

• 1:28:04Speaker 05

  Nah, I wish.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  You don't want to.

• 1:28:08Travis Kelce?

  You walk up on the guy that fucking big.

• 1:28:10Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, dude. He'd be like twice my size.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  How much of what you were saying after the game is stuff that your dad's been yelling at you furiously for the past six months?

• 1:28:21Speaker 05

  Absolutely nothing, actually.

• 1:28:23Speaker 01

  None of it?

• 1:28:24Speaker 05

  I came up with pretty much every single word, except, except the part that I want AJ Brown packing his bags because I wasn't sure 100% about that. But I'm 100%.

• 1:28:36Speaker 05

  I still want Patullo flipping burgers. No questions asked.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  He's sticking to it. He's sticking to it. I love it.

• 1:28:45Travis Kelce?

  Fan, man. Appreciate you, Sam, dog. Thank you for the, uh, thank you for the bit, uh, that you had on the Philly news, uh, and also, man, thank you for jumping on, dog. We'll have to circle back and see.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  Get you back. Yeah, we're gonna need repetitive updates. How do you feel about that, Sam?

• 1:29:00Speaker 05

  That'd be amazing. You guys are like my idols.

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  Who's gonna win the Super Bowl?

• 1:29:04Speaker 05

  Patriots all the way.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  Patriots all the way.

• 1:29:07Speaker 05

  Yup. I think that even though Drake May hasn't like played his best ball during the playoffs. I think that he's gonna come up huge in this game.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:29:14Travis Kelce?

  That's a hot take right there, Sam.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  They're a five point dog.

• 1:29:18Travis Kelce?

  He's very direct. He's very direct. The man knows what he wants. Sam, you, before we get out of here, you want to give anybody a shout out? Anybody in school, any of the homies?

• 1:29:27Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah. First thing, can I shout out all my friends at Table C at Wasikin?

• 1:29:33Travis Kelce?

  Table C!

• 1:29:34Speaker 05

  And can I also shout out my friend Derrick Sanders?

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  Derrick Sanders, shout out to DC. There he is.

• 1:29:40Travis Kelce?

  DS, there you go.

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, my bad. What are you shouting out Derrick Sanders? Is he just your friend?

• 1:29:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's my friend. And also, one more thing to say, um, we got merch now, so buy some merch.

• 1:29:51Travis Kelce?

  Buy some merch! There we go.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  He's a natural. Get the plug in. He's a natural. Sam, well done, brother. You killed it.

• 1:30:00Travis Kelce?

  We'll have to follow up and catch you next year and see how the birds are doing, man.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  Absolutely, man.

• 1:30:04Travis Kelce?

  All right, dog. Enjoy it, man.

• 1:30:06Speaker 01

  You're the man, brother. Before you go, is Paul there?

• 1:30:08Speaker 05

  My dad, yeah. Hey, dad!

• 1:30:13Speaker 05

  One sec. Sorry, my dad's, he's a little bit slow.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  He's slow?

• 1:30:19Speaker 05

  Here you go.

• 1:30:22Speaker 05

  What's up, boys?

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  What's up, Paul?

• 1:30:24Travis Kelce?

  What's going on, big guy?

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  Has this kid always been like this?

• 1:30:27Speaker 05

  This kid's been wild since he came out of his mom's room.

• 1:30:32Speaker 05

  This kid's crazy. We play in this touch football league down in Villanova, and he coaches the team. It's like all the kids. And I go in to play quarterback, cause whatever, and he's screaming from the sideline, "You're the biggest bum quarterback in this league." I'm like, "My man, you're supposed to be coach, you're supposed to be coach, you're supposed to be coaching me. You're the fifth string quarterback on this team." I'm like, "Bro!"

• 1:30:55Speaker 05

  He gets a little nervous, but he, when you let him go, he, he's a funny cat.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Oh, you could tell, man. He's a freaking firecracker, man. I love it. Well done. I'm sure that's a handful to deal with, but it's also a lot of fun, I'm sure. So, way to go, dad. That's awesome.

• 1:31:09Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:31:09Speaker 05

  I appreciate it, boys. Yeah, it's fun, but you know what? That'll put him in a headlock and drop him to the ground in three seconds.

• 1:31:15Travis Kelce?

  You got two. There we go.

• 1:31:17Speaker 05

  I do not hesitate, boy.

• 1:31:21Speaker 05

  I really appreciate you guys having him on, and it was a blast for him. He's been looking forward to it. Looks up to you guys. I don't know why, but he does for some reason. I think Travis got Taylor. He's like, "Ah, that's my guy." Jason, he's got a good beard, I guess.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Well, well done, man. I appreciate it.

• 1:31:39Travis Kelce?

  Appreciate you, big guy.

• 1:31:40Speaker 05

  Appreciate you guys. Thank you so much.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  All right, that's Sam Salvo and his father, Paul. I still think that Sam's probably repeating a lot of those things that Paul's saying, but either way, that kid is something else, man. You can tell.

• 1:31:51Travis Kelce?

  Paul, you can tell. His personality.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly, dude. That whole family. Electric.

• 1:31:59Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely.

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  All right, that wraps up Stanford the week brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. Any more final thoughts before we close this thing out, Travis? Super Bowl 60, we're going to be out there. A lot of things happening this week.

• 1:32:10Travis Kelce?

  I think we've kind of already talked about it. Obviously, huge Vrabel fans. Drake May's got his opportunity to, you know, implement his self into, you know, Super Bowl stardom. And I just think it's going to be a great game because the Julian came on here, talked about, you know, how the Patriots and their coaching staff and they just have an ability to kind of control the pace of every game that they're in and then make the right decisions and the big plays when the, when they need to be made on the offensive side and that defense is good, man. And then on top of that, you've got Seattle who's got the juice. They got the energy. They got the excitement. They got, they got the, the big play ability, you know, they got the, the ability to grind it out in the, in the run game. It's just, uh, it's, it's going to be a fucking fun matchup, man.

• 1:32:55Travis Kelce?

  That defense flies around and I'm sure they'll make Drake May's job a little bit harder than it's been. And I'm excited for a fucking great game, but I do think that Seattle's got what it takes to kind of come out on top on this one. I can't say I'm, I'm not here rooting for Sam Darnold, man. I just, I love that story. I love, I love who he is as a dude, how he stayed true to, to the process and himself and his confidence. And right now he's, he's playing better than he's played all, all career.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  Could not agree more, man. Well said. I'm pretty much right there with you on everything. I do got to say, I will be out there at the Pro Bowl. I guess this is coming out Wednesday. So I'm going to be at the Pro Bowl beforehand. It is wild how this whole week has turned into not even just the Super Bowl. Like there's all these events out there. It's like truly a week of, almost like a convention for the NFL, like the whole thing. There's NFL honors, like all of it. So.

• 1:33:46Travis Kelce?

  New Heights fucking bar gay party. Come on down.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  Either way, enjoy the Super Bowl 92 percenters. That wraps up this episode of New Heights. Thank you to our guest Cooper Cup, Julian Edelman, and of course, Sam Salvo, the young up and coming journalist. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow the New Heights show on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:34:12Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. Don't forget to do your taxes, ladies and gentlemen. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S. And thanks to all our 92 percenters, this New Heights production team especially, and everybody go enjoy some Super Bowl Sunday. One of the best days of the year.

• 1:34:40Speaker 05

  Sam's gonna be the king of table C.

• 1:34:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:34:42Speaker 05

  The table C boys are gonna love that.

• 1:34:44Travis Kelce?

  You have to fucking give them a chance to shout out the boys.

• 1:34:47Speaker 04

  Shout out your boys. Shout out your boys. Yeah. The table C boys.

• 1:34:50Speaker 05

  Him and Derek Sanders are just gonna run the third grade.

• 1:34:53Speaker 04

  Did you guys see me? Did you guys see me?

• 1:34:55Travis Kelce?

  They're getting kicked out of class guaranteed. They're gonna, their swag, their confidence is gonna be way too high. They're gonna think they're fucking way too cool.

• 1:35:02Speaker 04

  Man, there is something electric about having kids on.

• 1:35:04Travis Kelce?

  Mr. Feskey, you're gonna be flipping burgers.

• 1:35:08Speaker 04

  Do you know who you're talking to? I'm Travis Kelce's best friend. You fucking talking to me?

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  I dig it though. I dig the kids vibe. I don't know what it is about them, man. I just like the confidence.

• 1:35:17Speaker 04

  To Sam's teachers, we apologize immensely.

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, no doubt.

• 1:35:20Speaker 04

  He's not walking in normal on Thursday. We're so sorry.

• 1:35:23Travis Kelce?

  We're sorry, but just put them straight to fucking in school detention, actually. Don't even give them a chance to.

• 1:35:31Speaker 04

  Put it right against, nose against the wall.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Speaking of kids, do you guys hear Benny just screaming right now? Is that audible?

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:35:38Speaker 01

  Should I try and?

• 1:35:39Speaker 04

  It makes the Turbo Tax ad read better, I think.