Tom Cruise on Digger, Experiencing Arrowhead, Importance of Film & Getting Above the Clouds | 202

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights, brought to you by Nissan! Today we are joined by actor, producer, and Hollywood legend Tom Cruise. We talk about everything that went into Tom’s new movie ‘Digger,” what it was like getting back into a fat suit, why film is so important, and if John Goodman is really just Hollywood Ed Kelce. We also get Tom's take on his time at Arrowhead, Taylor teaching him football, his plan B in life, why he was a child daredevil, if he’ll ever direct, why Travis is a VHS OG, and more! Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. . . . Watch the full episode here: Prime: https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0JLG80EV3QTOUJWLN8KSQ3OSTL?ref_=atv_dp_share_cu_r Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Support the show: NISSAN: Watch Tim Tebow, Travis Hunter, and Derrick Henry compete to become the Best Nissan Spokesperson in the limited series Tell Them a Heisman Sent You. Legal Disclaimer: Nissan Rogue #1 in new vehicle quality among compact SUVS – 2026 JD Power. For JD Power 2026 U. S. Initial Quality Study award information, visit https://jdpower.com/awards. Awards based on 2026 model year. Towing varies by configuration. See Owner’s Manual for additional info. Always secure cargo. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:47Speaker 02

  Are there a part where you're like in a scene, whether it's the tighty-whity scene, you complete me, show me the money, Tropic Thunder, whatever scene it is, where you're just like, this is gonna be something that people are gonna latch on to. Do you know it while you're doing it?

• 1:00Speaker 03

  There's some moments.

• 1:02Speaker 03

  When I'm dancing in my tighty-whities.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  They're gonna like this. They're gonna like this.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  I know because I've done it myself at home. You know what I mean? I was like, when I read the script, I'm going, I got this.

• 1:24Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A Wondery Show brought to you by Nissan. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. My big brother Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to those Bearcats, Cincinnati Bearcats getting 2-0 the football season. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts, and follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show. If you want to ask for fun clips throughout the week, we got a fun one, and Jason's gonna tell you exactly how much fun we're gonna have.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Oh, non-juventus centers, you are in for a doozy. We have probably the most prolific actor, producer, most iconic human beings on planet Earth here today. That's right, we have Tom Cruise in the house. We're gonna talk about our time at Arrowhead at this week's past last game on Monday night. We're gonna talk about his entire career, his new movie, Digger, as well as have a special clip that you guys are gonna be getting a little sneak peek of the movie.

• 2:16Travis Kelce?

  How about it, man?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  And you're gonna wanna see it. It's outstanding. And you're gonna wanna stay tuned in for this Tom Cruise exclusive expose.

• 2:26Travis Kelce?

  That we're hitting you with right now.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  Okay. Hit it, Brandon. Our guest today is an actor, writer, producer, and Hollywood legend from Syracuse, New York. He's got a BAFTA, three Golden Globes, three Critics' Choice, an Academy Award, and his films have grossed over 13 billion at the box office. You know him from Risky Business, Top Gun, Top Gun Maverick, Rain Man, Jared and I, Days of Thunder, The Fur, Magnolia, Eyes Right, Young Minority Report, Collateral, Tropic Thunder, Into Tomorrow, The Mission Impossible franchise, and soon to come, his upcoming film, Digger.

• 3:01Travis Kelce?

  Come on now.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  92%ers, please welcome the one and only Tom Cruise.

• 3:07Travis Kelce?

  How about it, man? Tom, dude, it's so fucking cool to have you, man.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  Hey, man, it's great to be here.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Do you know how hard it was to pare it down to that amount of films?

• 3:16Speaker 03

  Been a long time.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  It's been a long time.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  You've been killing it for a long time. We gotta start off. How was Arrowhead?

• 3:22Speaker 03

  So much fun, man. Congratulations.

• 3:24Travis Kelce?

  Thank you, man.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  Congratulations.

• 3:25Travis Kelce?

  Best feeling in the world, baby.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  That was the most fun I've had ever at a football game.

• 3:29Travis Kelce?

  Me too. Me too. I was having a blast.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Seeing you play, I know. Number two now, behind Tony. Come on. Mahomes is back. The team is just hitting. It's fantastic. It was great. I gotta say, the whole crowd, the vibe, you hear about it, but to be here and experience it.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  It's so cool that we're all together live like this. And you guys are like, come to the game. I was like, yeah, I'm coming.

• 3:51Travis Kelce?

  Come on, baby.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  It was fantastic. I was gonna write you. I told you last night, I was like, now, listen, I'm not coming to Kansas to see you lose. And I literally, I had it like we were texting back and forth. I had it thinking. I was like, I'm not sending it. He knows it already. I'm not sending this.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  We need you to keep coming. I mean, that's...

• 4:10Travis Kelce?

  You're gonna keep this, keep practicing. You already know.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  We need that energy, baby.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  It was so fun. All your friends, all the people there, just such a beautiful vibe. And to see, look, Mahomes, his comeback is just miraculous.

• 4:21Travis Kelce?

  Eddie Mahomes, baby. The old Texas gunslinger.

• 4:23Speaker 03

  But you guys together and the whole team together was just, it was a wonderful experience.

• 4:28Travis Kelce?

  I appreciate it. Well, everybody says the same about you. Everybody in the suite just raves about you, and it's been like that. I mean, we were in London together at Tay's show.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  That was fun, man.

• 4:36Travis Kelce?

  That was another banger. Vibes were high there, too.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  That was fun.

• 4:40Travis Kelce?

  Everybody raves about just who you are as a human, man. It's so cool. And we appreciate you jumping on here with us, man.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  I appreciate being here.

• 4:47Travis Kelce?

  We gotta get into Digger, though, man. We're very fortunate. We got to see the screener for it. You guys are in for a ride. This one's a fun one. One of my favorite characters of years of all time.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  Bang, bang, bang.

• 5:03Speaker 03

  Try again, hit with truce. Hold true. Just bang, bang, bang.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Bang, bang, bang.

• 5:07Travis Kelce?

  I'm gonna get into this character, but you wanna tell the audience just like what the movie's about? Just a little sneak peek?

• 5:14Speaker 03

  It's absurd.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  It's about humanity. It's very human.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  It is a story as old as time.

• 5:23Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  But told in such an original and engaging way. And it's, it's just that. I don't know how else to explain it to people. It is, you know, when we look at human behavior and human existence and all the dynamics of it, and it's this director, Alejandro Iñarritu, he's unbelievable what he's able to do. It's just these, it just is a massive cinematic experience. That's what it was conceived of and built, but it is very human. And it's, you saw it.

• 5:55Travis Kelce?

  And it's, yeah, oh, man.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  It's unexpected, you know?

• 5:58Travis Kelce?

  It's based in, it's supposed to be modern day, though, right? Like, it's supposed to be...

• 6:02Speaker 03

  Yep. It's modern day. It's very modern day, but it is representative of kind of, it's very human.

• 6:09Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  You mentioned the director. Is that where this starts? Like, do you start with Iñarritu? Do you start with the script? How do you go about deciding to do a film like this?

• 6:17Speaker 03

  You know, making movies, it's really, a lot of times, it's not. Like, some of these films, I'm spending years, you know? Iñarritu was working on this for almost 10 years, nine years.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  Really?

• 6:27Speaker 03

  Yes, and I've been engaged with him on it for now seven years. So these films that you see, there's, sometimes I'm thinking about it for decades. I'm preparing for years for these movies. Like, I'm looking straight out and going, how, what skills do I need to learn? How do I prepare for these things? So it's, it's, it's, it's the artist and that particular thing, and what I'm looking to challenge myself with. And what I, everything that I've done, I always have a purpose. Like, since my whole life, it's like, what I focus, like, I go, like, what I wanna learn, how, what skills I'm trying to evolve and how I'm developing. So, so it's, that's, that's kinda what happens.

• 7:10Travis Kelce?

  You're talking about the director. You got another award winner in the cinematography, in Chivo, man.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Chivo.

• 7:15Travis Kelce?

  We're watching this, and I watched it with Taylor as well. So we're watching this and we're seeing kinda his brilliance as well on this. Was he somebody you sought out in terms of cinematography or?

• 7:28Speaker 03

  Just his ability with understanding the visual medium, the performances, the world he brings you into, all of them. I mean, Alejandro's someone that I've always wanted to work with. And Chivo is someone that I've always wanted to work with.

• 7:42Travis Kelce?

  So cool.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Like you guys, it's like, we wanna be surrounded by people that are the best for that particular kind of film. And sometimes a lot of people don't know, don't know them. But you see what they did. I mean, visually, what we did, we shot them Vista Vision. It's just the pinnacle in terms of skill making this film. It's, I don't know, it's like, you know, we were talking earlier, you know, about knowing the movie, you know, we're talking, but I see the way you run. You know, the way you clear, you play jazz.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  So, and it's like, you understand.

• 8:14Travis Kelce?

  The old baritone sax.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, sax, man. We talk about, it's like, knowing your skill, like, I'm...

• 8:21Speaker 03

  People ask, like, what'd you do? And I realize, like, I wasn't, it's like, I just dedicated my life to learning skills and ability. And when you, it's a lot, it's just constantly learning and studying and finding what is the correct technology or the correct format. Not what someone says is correct, but what you know is correct. So that you're, when you're running routes, you're very rare that you're finding, like, there's a moment where I could see it in you. You see it, you see it with musicians. You see it with, you see it with athletes where you, you know it, but you're, you're outside the game, but inside the game. You're connected to everyone, and it's almost like you see those openings beforehand.

• 9:03Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  So when you look at Digger, it is that high level of musicality and rhythm and comedy and jazz.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  It's fascinating, like in fields like that, how how it relates.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  You guys mentioned the cinematographer, director in your veto. And the film overall, man, it's fantastic and.

• 9:25Travis Kelce?

  From the message to it all, yeah.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  I just think the it's very visceral. Which is, you know, a lot of times you feel that with like, action movies, or there's there's something that's incredibly thrilling. But this thing, even the opening scene, like thirty minutes, you're in that like, one room. If you and and you're just completely captivated and there's there's highs and lows. The acting is incredible. Obviously, you are fantastic. You nail Rockwell, John Goodman, all of it, but. The way it's shot, the way the camera moves, the way you move, like, all of these things feel so purposeful while you're watching it. And it it just, it draws you in so well. I mean, I'm in the middle of a movie theater, four people.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  And I am like going in between like laughing, like goosebumps and just enthralled your monologue.

• 10:15Travis Kelce?

  Dude.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Brother.

• 10:16Travis Kelce?

  Epic.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  That thing is gonna be in I we talked about this yesterday. I'm sitting there and you're like, maybe four or five minutes in, I'm like, I don't think I've seen a cut yet, like.

• 10:25Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I didn't. That's what I was gonna. I was gonna ask that. Was that just one one rip?

• 10:30Speaker 03

  It's one take. Cuts into it, but it's one take. It was, you know, it's interesting.

• 10:37Travis Kelce?

  You were in the zone, brother.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Man, everything in the movie is purposeful, but it's not like. It was all written down and doing it. You're reaching for it. You're reaching for tone. You're reaching for that.

• 10:51Speaker 03

  You're exploring and you're creating. And then when you find that tone, it's a razor's edge of. Maintaining that and staying on it. And that monologue, when I read that in the in the script, I was like.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  So you knew it right away, the moment you read it.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  This is, please, please. Oh, my God, please.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  It's so, you know, we released this thing saying it took it took. Every bit of skill and learning new skills to be able to play this character. And that's. That's what you love.

• 11:22Travis Kelce?

  So cool.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  You know, I'm like, I see it's like.

• 11:24Travis Kelce?

  You get that challenge, man.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  You know what it's like.

• 11:27Travis Kelce?

  You've you've done it all, man.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  It's like there's everyone's like, here it is, we're there, but there's always another mountain to climb. There's always something to learn. There's always something to go and. I'm getting there with the actors and there were times on set that. Everyone's, you know, you know what it's like, like you're working, it's like you're in the middle of game speed, you know, it's like everyone's going, we gotta get it, I'm like, just everyone, timeout. Just take a second. Let's look around this set. Look at this lighting. Look at this director. Look at these artists. I like taking a moment and going, let's. Let's look at how beautiful these sets are.

• 11:57Travis Kelce?

  Man, are they.

• 11:58Speaker 03

  It's just all vibes. It all works.

• 12:01Travis Kelce?

  One hundred percent.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  And you're still within it. You're playing jazz. Like, when I get to a point when I'm on a movie set, it's when you start rolling, it's. It is like you guys, you trained, you talk about the installment you're going. Now it happens. Now you. You you you have to feel relaxed and confident enough with each other that we're we're playing. So that camera's got to capture what I'm doing. And I'm there with the actors that come to me, said, is it okay if I do that? I say, listen, you do you. I'm here for you. We're gonna play. Like, you don't even have to tell me. Let's let's just. We're we've worked together, we're communicating, it's the same thing, but you're working, working, working. I'm like, I always tell people.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  You know, everyone's a little nervous or whatever they're going. I said. I'm gonna embarrass myself.

• 12:51Travis Kelce?

  Come on now.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  You and I, it's like, come on. I said, I want you to I want you to step off. It's okay. We're together.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  I I am your safety net and you are mine. We are all in this together and I have to, I don't want to put those barriers there, you know, like you're gonna do something. You're in that open field. You have to go like. You gotta trust each other.

• 13:12Travis Kelce?

  Trust it, man.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  And it's okay. You know, I've read stuff and I've seen stuff like with you where someone makes a mistake and it's like.

• 13:18Travis Kelce?

  Come on, I'm right here with you, big guy.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  I'm right here with you. It's okay.

• 13:21Travis Kelce?

  Can't have you thinking about what we just did. We gotta think about where we're going, man.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  That's it. And we all have to get to that place artistically and in life. And the point is.

• 13:30Travis Kelce?

  Team player, man.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  That's it, guys. It is.

• 13:33Travis Kelce?

  Don't be don't be afraid to be a good teammate.

• 13:35Speaker 03

  Don't be afraid. That is exactly it. And you know what? These mistakes, that's yesterday. People get in, it's like, I'm like you. That was that was two seconds ago.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  We're gonna have fun. Let's create.

• 13:45Travis Kelce?

  I gotta ask you about the this character, Digger, man. Where did you get the Texas accent from, man? It is such a fucking good at like.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 13:55Travis Kelce?

  Is it somebody you ran into or it just it was just kind of just, it felt right when you started it up or what?

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Here's what happens.

• 14:02Speaker 02

  Feels a little like Jerry Jones, to be honest.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  It's not this movie's not this movie's not based on anyone. Let me make it clear. It's really, it's not based on anyone. Look, here's what I do. I I've always created characters since I was a little kid. We were talking earlier.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  I would create characters, write stories since I was little, make my family laugh. And I've traveled around like. I love going to countries and just meeting people and knowing people and. And I'll lay in bed and I'll just think of characters that I want to create in the future.

• 14:35Travis Kelce?

  So fun, man.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  And then I'll find a movie and I'll be like, I'm gonna put that character in this. Or I'm gonna explore that character in this or this tone with this movie. And that's what happened. Like, very two came to me with this character. He had like different ideas and I was like.

• 14:52Travis Kelce?

  I got one.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  This guy's got balls, man. I thought like this Alejandro, like, he's working with me the first time. He's like, I want you to do this. Like, what I do with with directors and writers is. I don't read the scripts. I have them read it to me.

• 15:05Travis Kelce?

  Oh, cool.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:06Speaker 03

  I have them read it to me because I don't want my ideas to invade it yet. I want to understand what is their communication.

• 15:13Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  They've been working on it. They have things that are just there. So they come to me, you know, and I just sit there and I'm like. I want you to read it to me. And they'll read it to me. And I'm like, okay, and I'm the audience. I am a movie. I'm a popcorn guy.

• 15:30Travis Kelce?

  Come on now.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  I'm a meat and potatoes popcorn. Is it moving me or is it? Am I invested? Am I not invested? Where am I engaged? Where am I not engaged? That's just who I am. So they'll come to me and read like, and I want to hear what their ideas are. And a different like even. Every position on a movie, the creatively wardrobe, lighting, I'm, I want to hear what is their take on it? What are they gonna do? And then we we get to a place where I start to understand and I then I'm like, I know how to contribute to that motion. Then I'm now it sparks ideas and I kind of have certain ideas that I have and certain things that I'd like to play with. And then I don't necessarily talk about it. I just do it.

• 16:14Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  Meaning, I'm not gonna sit here and say, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. It's like. Uh huh. Like, I hear all the notes. I know lenses. I know the choreography. I know tonally what they're going for. Because comedy, everyone goes sees comedy and they're like, no, there's all kinds of comedy. There's all kinds like satire. What is that? What is the rhythm? What is the music we're playing? That's when we're into jazz. That's what's like, let me give me the bassline and I'm in there. And then now I'm just like, I know where we want to go and. Let me, I'm not gonna talk about it. I see your lenses, we're together. And like even with the camera operator, with Chivo, with Alejandro, we're playing jazz.

• 16:55Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. It's a jazzy feel to the to the what you're getting out of this, yeah.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  Like, when you hit that point with the movie, you want that. And that's the thing. And it's it's always. Like you and I are talking about the different skills, you know, that you guys have. That's what I love. Like, I love your show. You're going in. And you're doing stuff where you're looking at someone and you're living in their shoes. You know.

• 17:18Travis Kelce?

  Literally, yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 03

  Taylor, it's like you guys like that, her music and her skill. I've been watching her. Her whole life as a musician and as an artist, you're just like. Man, and not afraid to go into other things, not afraid to direct stuff. You guys are like doing this. Applying that kind of ability to other things. It's. That's, to me, that's life, the joy of creating.

• 17:42Travis Kelce?

  Heck, yeah.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  And not afraid to be like, the thing is like with success, you feel people start gripping a little too hard. And I was always like. I'm all in, you know, like everyone's like, of course he made that movie. Of course that did well. It was like. It wasn't like that. Everyone's like, no, we don't want to do it. Oh, my God, if it doesn't work. And I'm like. I'm going all in. Let's see what we can do.

• 18:04Travis Kelce?

  Full send, baby.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  That's this movie's like, it is all in.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:08Travis Kelce?

  Well, I gotta ask you one more about the about Digger. So the character at least.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  There's fucking go.

• 18:15Travis Kelce?

  You're one of the healthiest guys known to man from the what you eat, the recovery you do. What was it like putting on that bodysuit every single day?

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Dude, I'm glad you asked that.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  All the prosthetics.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  The first time I was like. You know. Having that extra weight.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  My knees, I'm wearing the cowboy boots.

• 18:32Travis Kelce?

  Sitting down, all of a sudden you got something on your thighs.

• 18:34Speaker 03

  We had a thing was like, dig her up, dig her down, you know, and I'm sweating because I'm wearing these prosthetics. And the scenes, the takes, like you were talking about, they're long takes and the rhythm of it. And how do you, you have to. You really have to know what you're doing, but I'm sweating underneath. So I came up with all these different things like cooling machines. We have, I'd be like, all right, let's dig her up. Everyone's there. Now we go like in between a take is like, let's dig her down. You can see me and I don't leave set.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Dig her down.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  Like, I don't, I'm not interested in going to my trailer. I like being with the crew. I like being with everyone. I like, I like being there on the set. So they have a box for me and I'm always hanging out. Just there. I'm watching what they're doing. I'm vibing with with Alejandro, even and the director and everyone, even if we're not there, I'm just. The actors. So I'm always there. The first time I.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  We did the makeup. It took six hours. Okay, so you see that character.

• 19:28Travis Kelce?

  We gotta, we gotta cut this down, guys.

• 19:30Speaker 03

  And I'm doing.

• 19:30Travis Kelce?

  Get this down.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  I know, I'm doing, I'm doing the math. I'm always like, here's my day. I'm like, there's 24 hours in the day. Now, they tell me I need this much sleep.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  Okay, so I go, how, I need to do things so well to be so economical in what I'm doing. So that.

• 19:48Travis Kelce?

  You're the most out of the day.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  Do when I'm there, it's like, like you for games. It's like, you gotta peak in your game. So my days, I have to peak from the morning till night. How do I do it? And now I got six hours, so six, that's 18 hours. I gotta sleep at least six, you know?

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:08Travis Kelce?

  On a good day.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  They keep saying, they keep saying.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Maybe more.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  I need more. But I'm just like, okay, that's 12. Now we have 12 hour days filming.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  So now I'm going, now that's six hours on, two hours off with the makeup. So I was like, okay, now these, all these, these, the, they're the pinnacle of putting makeup on and everything. Like, they're amazing. So what I did was, I said, look, one day they showed up, we started going, I had a chalk, you know, board.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  Up there with a eraser and a marker.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  And with each piece, I put each piece on the thing, and then I had a guy there with a stopwatch.

• 20:46Travis Kelce?

  Little mask called pit stop.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  I had the stopwatch and I'm like, okay, you see that time, six hours? I said, by the time we're done, we're gonna get it under an hour.

• 20:55Travis Kelce?

  How about it?

• 20:56Speaker 03

  They were like, no, we're never, we're not doing that. It never happened. I was like, okay. First of all, if you say, no, you can't do it.

• 21:04Travis Kelce?

  We gotta.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  You'll never get there. So, can we agree that we'll maybe make it a little less?

• 21:09Travis Kelce?

  There we go, yeah.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  And a little less. So then, with each piece that was going on, it was timed and timed. And then they would drill and practice. By the time we finished.

• 21:18Travis Kelce?

  Got it under an hour?

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 21:19Travis Kelce?

  How about it, baby? There we go.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  What? And they didn't even know it.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Didn't even think it was possible.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  And they didn't even rush.

• 21:24Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  So, I like going into a system, studying it, trying to figure out how I can do it better, some more efficient, so that I can, you know, the films that I make are very, I'm constantly going, how can I do it better? How do I prepare better so that I'm there for the directors? I'm there putting it in the editing room. I'm there for my cast and my crew. I'm there for the studio.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  So I'll study stuff, and then I'll kind of go, I think maybe we could do this better. I'm sure you guys face that all the time.

• 21:57Travis Kelce?

  Tell you what, I don't know how you can make this one better, man. This is a fun one.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, this.

• 22:00Travis Kelce?

  It's a masterpiece.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  Man.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Well, I want to ask you, because I was talking to Kevin, your guy, a little bit off set, and he was saying, the film, in particular with this movie that it's shot on film, how, what was the thought process around doing that? Like, everything, you talk about being efficient, like, it's probably more efficient to use digital stuff and be able to cut and move it around easier, right? Like, what's, what is the gain of doing it on film?

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, it's beautiful. Very beautiful. The framing is beautiful. I don't get too technical. It's like, you want to find the correct frame that's going to communicate the emotion. Like, you're talking about this, the tension, like, in that room. Alejandro really understands staging. It's sensational. And his, it's also how, what lenses do we use? What format do we use that's proper for that story? So, it's not just like I did collateral, where we were developing digital. You know, this movie collateral I did 20 years ago or whatever, but it was, you did digital because the environment needed to be part of, of the movie. You had to feel it. It's like, what emotional value are you communicating?

• 23:08Speaker 03

  I'm always looking at, at what, am I using my tools that's creating the emotional effect we want to create?

• 23:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  So, when you look at Vista Vision, first of all, Vista Vision was developed in the 50s, 1950s, because television came on. And television, and people were watching small screens, they were home, so they needed something to promote. It was actually Paramount Pictures that did it. And then, in the 80s, they started cutting up theaters. And I was like, I don't want, you know, when I was a kid, I studied every part of the movies, the studios and distribution. I was meeting with all those guys, I was like, stop cutting up the theaters. Let's, let's, and so I pushed the format of 65 millimeter, these cameras, we pulled it out, we did a movie, far and away for it, to try to not only promote, but it's very beautiful looking. The clarity, and it took a while, a couple decades before people kind of now were back to this.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Vista Vision was developed, they used it, then started to use it, like ILM used it with visual effects. You know, it's just how the clarity of the frame, the richness of the frame, and what you're able to do with it. It's just very beautiful. And compositionally, it works for the tone of this film, or how Alejandro was able to shoot the film.

• 24:19Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, it did.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  Even the lenses, they're, they're custom lenses that were built for this, to make it look very cinematic. When people see the film, they're gonna be like, it's, it's just so rich looking.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  It's gorgeous.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  It's gorgeous. And the, the detail, you know, you and I were talking about plays and football, and you're giving me the insides, and the level of skill and

• 24:41Speaker 03

  artistry behind this crew, like, the miniatures that are used, the film, it's all very practical, but it's for a purpose for the movie. That, that gives you that emotional vibe.

• 24:52Travis Kelce?

  That's so cool.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  It's a film, like, I'd be curious, you see it again, like, you get more and more out of the film, the second, third time.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Saying this just a second ago, I feel like this is a movie that you watch and you pick more up on. Whether it's the, the, the visual portion of it, like, even like, to start the movie, there's that cat. And you're like, why the heck do they have this like? Why isn't it just a real cat? Why is there a robotic cat? What is going on with this cat? And I'm captivated, you're feeding it, I, I don't want to give away too much. I don't know what we're allowed to sneak preview of this.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Like this.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  But.

• 25:22Travis Kelce?

  You can't get on that.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  But you, oh, that's why that cat is like that, and like.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  I love that cat.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Oh, there's probably so much more to pick up in a second watching. It's absolutely enthralling, it's captivating, there's, I mean, it is enriched in truth, which, that monologue, I mean, that's where that, that truth just comes back full circle.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  It's like a 10 minute monologue, one take, in a fat suit. And when you see it, in a fat suit, I was like, oh, man. I was like, will you start sweating? I don't want to sweat my makeup off.

• 25:52Travis Kelce?

  You're moving around in that thing too, man. You're up and down the steps, you're all over the.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Freedom, baby.

• 25:56Travis Kelce?

  Dude, it's so good. It's so fucking good.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  You demand, I supply.

• 26:03Travis Kelce?

  Dude, it's so good, man.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  It's funny, because when I made, when I. Bang, bang, bang.

• 26:10Travis Kelce?

  Dude.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  You know, when I made movies back in the 80s and 90s, we, we were able to, like, the films that, it's like, I'm making Rain Man, or Born in the Forest, even Top Gun. Like, people like, those movies you'd stay in the theaters for a year. So they became, my films are, you know, the language, I, I enjoy the motion and language.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  That's why I study dance, I study martial arts, I'm constantly, I study what you guys do and how your training is, because that is a, that's a communication. How, how, it's very subtle. I want people to notice things. Sometimes, like, with, with Les Grossman or different things, you can bring it, or Magnolia, there's different physicality, that, that character allows that level of physicality.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  So, movies would play for, anyway, they'd play for a very long time, and you see the verbal quality of language. And now movies, it's like you have a weekend. So when you see this character like Digger that is very, it's, it is layered. It is a movie that the second, third viewing, you're just, it's good, it's a, you're gonna get more and more and more out of it, more enjoyment. In the same way where I'm going, I want people to see it before it gets on streaming.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  You know, and then it becomes years later, like, I'll travel the world and people are quoting the lines back, you know, from different films. Like, I quote lines back, my other films, they're doing, there's songs that you're singing. Do you know what I mean? You hear, you go to a concert and they're singing the songs back. So, that's kind of what I think of, of movies. And so, anyway, that's kind of things when we're looking at movies now, how you want it to live longer in theaters.

• 27:52Travis Kelce?

  That's so cool. Well, we gotta ask about one of our favorite guys that, that you worked with, were John Goodman family.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:59Travis Kelce?

  Kind of reminds me of my dad a little bit.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  He reminds me very much of Ed Kelsey.

• 28:03Travis Kelce?

  They, they, I feel like.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  I'm sorry to compare you to Ed Kelsey.

• 28:05Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I'm sorry, John. You're listening, you're like, you were the second wave of the Blues Brothers, were Blues Brothers family as well. So, how was it working with John? He, he absolutely crushed it.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  He's brilliant. I don't think he knows how brilliant he is.

• 28:17Travis Kelce?

  He's just too smooth, man.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  It's like, the characters that he's created, I agree with you, there's just, he has such a unique power as an artist. I've always loved his stuff, from the moment you see him, he gets on screen, I'm, I'm leaning in.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  In every film this guy does, every performance, you know, he's playing Babe Ruth, he's doing like, you know, he's in, just to name, like.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Walter and the Big Lebowski, that's one of my favorite characters.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Like, he's just got one classic character after the next. And it's funny, I, I remember just seeing, I've always wanted to work with him. He's like, one of those guys, you just want to go. So I'm there on set with him, I'm like, I always want to work with you, man. I'm so excited you're doing this.

• 29:00Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  I would just make sure I show up early, you know, so that we could just, in between, I wanted to distract as we're doing it, but we could just kind of hang and talk about movies and talk about experiences. And it was wonderful.

• 29:11Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, man.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  The back and forth between you two and the film. And then like, your monologue was just so hard hitting, and then John has kind of his version of one, and the like facial expressions he's making, and like, I'm, I'm laughing. I am laughing out loud in the movie.

• 29:24Travis Kelce?

  Tears.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  He's like, you knew.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  I'd be it.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  I'd be it. I did.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  It is so good.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  You're just like, I'm like, oh, I did.

• 29:40Travis Kelce?

  God damn.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  He's awesome. The whole cast, I mean, Riz and we just had fun doing it.

• 29:45Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, man.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  The acting is incredible. You guys are gonna love the film.

• 29:49Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  You have to check the sound theater. It is. It's it's beautiful. The the acting is out of this world. And the journey you go on through the movie is just completely captivating. You will absolutely love it.

• 30:07Travis Kelce?

  Buckle up, baby.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  And like you like, how do you, the way it goes from that monologue, there's so much truth in that. And then before that, there are so many times where people can like stop him, right? Can say something, but he he Digger was able to push him down, right? The scientist, he's like, you want to lose your diet? It's like, okay, fine.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  That's up to you.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:27Speaker 03

  You're the boss.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then it's like that moment where he's like, all right, you're putting this all on me? Yeah, you you all had your.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Well done, Tom. Killed it again.

• 30:37Travis Kelce?

  Again.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  Hey, by the way, I was sitting next to Taylor last night. She told me, it's like, I don't know if I lied, so you guys use this, but it was so funny. She was telling me about your roles, you know, first day we were talking about.

• 30:48Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  But also what she said was how she was like having you two, like, how was it like you two, like, playing again, like hitting each other?

• 31:00Travis Kelce?

  That we were out there basically boxing each other.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  I said, I gotta mention it to these guys. She goes, I said, is it okay if I mention it? He says, oh, yeah, yeah. How about that? Like, like.

• 31:09Travis Kelce?

  And now she knows everything. She sees the flags coming in like, oh, that was that that might be a defensive hold. I'm just like, what? What'd you say, sweetie?

• 31:16Speaker 03

  Oh, she was, she was right.

• 31:17Travis Kelce?

  She was like that. That's encroachment. I'm like, do you know what that is?

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's.

• 31:21Travis Kelce?

  She's on it now.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  That was one of the things that was so enjoyable, like, meeting her at the Bills game and seeing how much, like, Tay is in to football.

• 31:30Travis Kelce?

  She's in now.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  Asking questions.

• 31:31Travis Kelce?

  So fun.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Like, really trying to, and now it's, I mean, it's been a few years since that.

• 31:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, she was, she was schooling me. Like, this happened, and that's happened, and he's coming in. It was like, it was awesome.

• 31:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, I got her. She's she, I mean, she's similar to you in terms of you. You just want to understand. You want to know the knowledge. You want to know the the the tiny, minute details of everything. And you just want the knowledge and to be able to understand. And once you understand it in a, and this is anything in life. Once you understand the full gambit of of everything that that is that is a part of a show or a part of a team or a part of a a sport. It makes it that much more fun to watch because you're seeing it from such a a a smaller lens. And and you're so appreciative of the the bigger outcome, you know?

• 32:18Speaker 03

  I agree with you.

• 32:19Travis Kelce?

  That's why she loves doing the directing or music videos. She likes to to feel the, you know.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  She's really not dissimilar from what you've been describing in the way you like to learn everything. Yeah. Trying to have your, like, knowledge of why everybody's here and what they do, like, hearing Tay talk about music.

• 32:35Travis Kelce?

  From the story to the rhythm to the the visual that you're getting. So, I mean, she just gets engulfed in it and she loves it. And you can tell that she loves it just by the outcome of.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  And her whole life, you can see.

• 32:45Travis Kelce?

  Exactly, yeah.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  Even before, when you see that of, and it also, like, really understanding what people are up against, what they're doing. Understanding it, you just have an appreciation for people and humanity and skills and ability.

• 33:01Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  And you look at it, it's like, I mean, she's a cook, a painter, a writer, a poet. And look at you. It's like being able to take something and then create in it. It's, I don't know.

• 33:15Travis Kelce?

  I appreciate you saying that, man.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Like, when I see people, like, I'm always like going around and like looking at their skills and trying to understand that. And then I learn from it. And and how do we apply it?

• 33:25Travis Kelce?

  That's the best, man. I appreciate you saying that, Doug.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  Just a beautiful couple.

• 33:29Travis Kelce?

  Thank you, man.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Like, really, I am really beautiful. It's it's it's lovely in every way, in your whole family and your friends. You know, from the moment that I that I've met you all, it's just, it's really beautiful.

• 33:41Travis Kelce?

  Thank you for that, big guy. You already know, man.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  It's nice, man.

• 33:44Travis Kelce?

  I'm a lucky son of a buck, man.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you know what? You create your own luck, man.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  He has done that.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Pull it in the same way.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  More than anybody I know.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  In the same way, like, and as you're going through it, and you too, man, it's like your family, everything, it's like you.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  You have a choice of how you're gonna, you're gonna lift everybody up, or you can focus on the negative, you know? And it's not just being bluebird pie in the sky. Everything's gonna be great. You gotta figure out why it didn't work and then adjust it. But you gotta have that that vibe of, we're gonna make this work, no matter how hard this storm is.

• 34:20Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's, the sun's behind it.

• 34:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 34:25Travis Kelce?

  You gotta believe it.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  The sun is always there, man.

• 34:27Travis Kelce?

  You gotta believe it. Even if that forecast doesn't say it is.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Even if that forecast doesn't say it, sometimes it's wrong.

• 34:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 03

  We just gotta get above the clouds. We just gotta get above the clouds. That's my life. That's my life. That's it. I like that. You just gotta get above the clouds. That's all. You just gotta get above the clouds.

• 34:47Speaker 02

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• 35:01Travis Kelce?

  How about a best Nissan spokesperson?

• 35:04Speaker 02

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• 35:08Travis Kelce?

  Do we think we could win if we were in it? Do you think you could sell a car?

• 35:12Speaker 02

  I could outsell Tim Tebow, Travis Hunter, Derrick Henry combined.

• 35:15Travis Kelce?

  You heard that, Nissan. Get him in the lot.

• 35:18Speaker 02

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• 35:36Travis Kelce?

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• 35:51Speaker 02

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• 36:00Travis Kelce?

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• 36:13Speaker 05

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• 36:32Speaker 02

  Speaking of above the clouds, let's talk about the rest of your career.

• 36:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Because this is like, I mean, your filmography, all of the films you've done, there's so many just like

• 36:44Speaker 02

  incredible film, one after the other. I do have a question to you, though. Do you have one of them that you think is a little like underrated or that people don't bring up enough that you love?

• 36:55Speaker 03

  I don't really know. It's fascinating. When I travel the world and I love traveling the world, I kind of created my, created the red carpet premieres so I could go to different cultures. And it's amazing to me how they, what they quote back, what they love, what trends, what goes through it.

• 37:09Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna say, is there, you get some fun ones from like random parts of the world that you would have never expected? Or has had this one just popping in your mind?

• 37:16Speaker 03

  I'm like, it it happens all the time.

• 37:19Travis Kelce?

  That's so cool, man.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  I gotta say, like, it's, I dreamed as a little kid, like, to to travel the world, make movies. I wanted adventurous life. I wanted to know people. I want. I just want to know. I wanna, I'm interested and I want to climb mountains and all the stuff that I'm, that I've been doing.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  And to be able to go there and suddenly someone in the country is like quoting back, like, show me the money.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Beautiful, man, beautiful, all the way from taps. I'm like, what?

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, I'm still that kid that's like, what is happening?

• 37:53Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's cool, man.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  What is hap- this is wild.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:56Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  You know, it's it's still that thing of, this is amazing.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  And I've always like, I just make the movie, the joy in creating it. And I can see, I'm just gonna keep creating. And you kind of go through it. And anyway, that's kind of what it is. I I don't know. I just do it. And what people like, they like it. And I like different range of film, you know?

• 38:19Speaker 02

  This film, Digger in particular, feels like a a different film than you've ever done before.

• 38:23Travis Kelce?

  It really, it really does, yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a good point. There's not really another film that compares.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  I would like to be able to do this all, like, you know what? I mean, like, and you already too, like, come on, man.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  Give me another one. Let's go. Let's go.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  He's great. He is fantastic.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  It is. Look, it's, it it takes every bit of my skill as an artist to be able to play this character. It's, and it's fun. It's not like every bit of skill. It's like, you gotta know, you know, I know that frame and vista vision. When you see that composition, you see those things. It's like being inside the game and outside the game and in it and out. That's, that's what's happening on every level with everybody.

• 39:00Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man. Is there, is there any, so you've you've, you've been known to just be an absolute, you want to get engulfed in it. You want to know the knowledge. You you love watching cinema, movies. Was there something in terms of your preparation for Digger that you kind of wanted to, like, were there any movies that you that you quote unquote scouted, got inspiration from? Um, was was there anything that, yeah, in that world, like, getting ready to to go into the filming of Digger?

• 39:32Speaker 03

  It really isn't. But one of the things, because I knew how the writing was, because I know these movies. So if you look at, if you look at the early 30s, 40s, and 50s films, the use of language. Artists, you know, when you started out, an actor would go in and they would put him to acting class and dancing and singing and language.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  The literacy level and use of language was in a different place and the rhythm of it. So that kind of stuff where you're looking at, whether, you know, His Girl Friday or that has this, you know, lubitch. You know, these kinds of guys that I've just studied.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  When you look at risky business, when you hear these monologues, when there's things that I look at in terms of just music and musicians where I'm, I see the phrasing. You know, you look at, it's not just singing, you're hitting the notes, it's the communication, the phrasing. That's behind it. The words are like, I'm, everyone's like, how was it learning the monologue? It's like, I don't even think of that. It's

• 40:35Travis Kelce?

  Really?

• 40:36Speaker 03

  Um, no, I'm exploring and I'm finding the pieces of music. I'm learning, I'm learning the baseline so that when it's there, I'm, I'm not, I'm alive and I'm acting. I know the points that I have to hit. I know, you know, I can see the frame. I know it's, I know Vista Vision. I know as this stuff's turning, I can picture what that frame is going to be on that particular note for that particular moment.

• 40:59Travis Kelce?

  But to be doing all this and to be locked in on this, I'm like, bro,

• 41:03Speaker 03

  In a fat suit.

• 41:04Travis Kelce?

  There's so much goddamn shit going on right now.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 41:07Travis Kelce?

  You're, you're literally working, like you can't even count the milliseconds in which your, your brain is, those neurons are firing.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  But you know what? You're, you're in it and you gotta play. Alejandro played these movies for the actors to show them. It's like, this is the, you have to go with this timing. This is the beat. But you have to hit that beep, but you gotta play jazz within it. You have to be present. It's like, you know what it's like? You can't be thinking about what happened to last play. People go, I have to be present and in future. You're present and in the future. You know? And you can't, it's like, you can't articulate it. You know, it's going to be open at that point. He perceives, there's a perception that happens, you know, with people that you're like, that's just it.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  When you're, we, we've mentioned the monologue scene a bunch. You mentioned reading it, you knew, right? Like this is, are there a part where you're like in a scene? Whether it's, you know, the tighty whity scene, you complete me, show me the money, Tropic Thunder, whatever scene it is, where you're just like, this is gonna be something that people are gonna latch on to. Do you know it while you're doing it?

• 42:11Speaker 03

  There's some moments. When I'm dancing in my tighty whities.

• 42:16Travis Kelce?

  They're gonna like this. They're gonna like this.

• 42:19Speaker 03

  I know because I've done it myself at home. You know what I mean? I was like, when I read the script, I'm going, and, and the director's like, here's the doorway frame. And I'm like,

• 42:30Travis Kelce?

  I got it.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  I got this.

• 42:33Travis Kelce?

  It's pretty sweet. I got some socks. Just make sure this thing's nice and shined up.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  That's it. But it was like that. It was like, when I went through it, it's like, man, I spun all the way across the floor and I'm like, I need to be center framing here, you know? So I was like, I got the prop guys, I can put some, some things there, make sure I had the socks. So you're just, you can, and you're just having fun and you're in it and you're just like, I think it's cool. Yeah. I can't wait to do the scene. And the only problem with making movies is you don't get to do it again.

• 43:00Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 43:01Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean? So that monologue or different things, I'm just like, you just know,

• 43:08Speaker 03

  I was, if I'm interested in it, or someone, you can always tell if someone is passionate, you're talking about purpose. You know, we were talking about that.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Like, what's your purpose? Why are you doing it? Everything I'm going, what's my purpose? And you can see what you put your attention on, you give life.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:25Travis Kelce?

  I hear you on that.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  It is wild. If you put your attention into that negative, it's gonna go there. If you put your attention on that positive and keep moving and seeing correctly what is correct for you. So I see it with directors. There's, what are you interested in? You start putting your attention there and help me help you. It's like, I, you can't wait. But movies are also, they're living things. It's not like it's all there on the page. Yeah, you have a guideline, but you're reaching for a tone. And you're discovering it. That's the exciting thing. The unknown. You're like,

• 44:04Speaker 03

  where are we here? You know, you, you guys must feel it in every play that you're doing. It's like, okay, we practiced not quite what we wanted, but

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Well, there's the thing on the page.

• 44:14Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:14Speaker 02

  And I'm, there's the line that you're supposed to run. Travis talks about this all the time, but then you go out there and you have a feel, what's the defense doing? Where are my other guys at? Spatial awareness, we were talking about over there, like, I'm sure it's all very similar.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  It is.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  My daughters, they have one favorite song that we always play.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  They're gorgeous, your daughters.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 44:32Travis Kelce?

  They're so much fun, man.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  And they always say, Dad, play rock and roll. Play Bob Seger. And all I'm thinking while I'm watching them, they're dancing around and they're version of their whitey tighties and I'm picturing Tom and his whitey tighties. So that's, that's a favorite in our household.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  And getting that car, stealing that car.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  I did that.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  I used to sit on a phone book and race the car out the streets.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  In the south, yeah, I would take the car.

• 45:00Travis Kelce?

  How about it?

• 45:00Speaker 03

  I was so small, I was like, had to get a phone book. I didn't have my license, you know?

• 45:04Speaker 02

  The music in a lot of your movies, it's like,

• 45:08Travis Kelce?

  It's insane, like,

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Do you know how many times, do you know how many songs that are from your career that we would play in the locker room? Like, dun, na, na, na, na. And like, we're getting ready to go out there and play football. Like, I just,

• 45:22Travis Kelce?

  Anytime I'm doing anything like intense or like mischievous, I just got the,

• 45:32Speaker 03

  That's why I made, that's why I made Mission.

• 45:34Travis Kelce?

  It's so good.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  I saw the TV series when I was a kid. I was like, that music.

• 45:38Travis Kelce?

  Really?

• 45:38Speaker 03

  That's why I did it. I was like, I know. But thank you. I, I look, I love music and art and I've been fortunate. So many talented people to work with. I learned,

• 45:49Speaker 03

  learned so much.

• 45:50Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, right?

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Does the music come first in those scenes or is it the other way around?

• 45:54Speaker 03

  Most of the time, like, I don't like to edit with music.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Because I, you want to find the musicality within the, within the movie first, that language. So, but sometimes like we're, and you know, sometimes it's like you find that piece of music and I've made the mistake, I edit to it and I can't, I gotta get that piece of music, you know? But like that, da, na, na, na. I remember I was in San Diego, nineteen eighty-five. First of all, it's like Top Gun, the studio wanted me to do this movie for a year or whatever. I finally meant, it was like, this movie's gonna, can't wait. But I heard that piece of music that Harold Fultermeier wrote. And I was actually with my whole family. They were down there in San Diego, were making it. And I was just, it was fourth of July and I just had it on cassette. I was like,

• 46:38Travis Kelce?

  Epic.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  I like, this is,

• 46:40Speaker 02

  This is it.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  You know, I knew Top Gun was, what it was gonna be as we were working on it and developing it is like,

• 46:47Travis Kelce?

  You hear that, that tune and you're just like, am I a hero? Why is this song making you feel like a hero?

• 46:53Speaker 03

  I feel like,

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Like suspenseful.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly. Yes. Yes. It's like, what's happening? You can be here like this and suddenly you're like,

• 47:01Speaker 02

  What's feeling?

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Suddenly I, I don't know. I, I can fly jets.

• 47:09Speaker 03

  I can ju, I don't know. This is like,

• 47:12Travis Kelce?

  Well, you've been notorious for stunts and everything. Was it, were, were you just trying to find one in Digger? Were you just like, I gotta find a stunt?

• 47:20Speaker 03

  The fat suit.

• 47:22Travis Kelce?

  The whole time?

• 47:22Speaker 03

  The fat suit, the whole time.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  How does the fat suit compare to being on the outside of an airplane? What's the level of difficulty?

• 47:29Speaker 03

  Higher, higher, higher.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  You just hang on. There's a certain point, you're just hanging on and hoping you don't get hit with something that kills you. You know what I mean? You're just going to hope I don't get hit by a bird, you know, hope the engine doesn't stop on takeoff, you know?

• 47:45Speaker 02

  We were talking about it just a second ago, but I've never put it together that you like to do these stunts. But there's so many people relying on you not dying.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  Like, is that, is that going through your head while you're doing these stunts? Like, okay, if we die, this whole film is screwed.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  Look, first of all, I, I enjoy the stunts. I love doing the stunts. I was doing them since I was a little kid. Like, I, I create my own stunts.

• 48:16Travis Kelce?

  Making ramps in the backyard? Where did it all start?

• 48:18Speaker 03

  No, I, look, I,

• 48:18Travis Kelce?

  Jumping off of trampolines?

• 48:20Speaker 03

  I tell you what, it started out, I was a little kid and I opened the window and I climbed out on the roof.

• 48:24Travis Kelce?

  Ooh.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  And I'm like, I'm like two and a half, three years old.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Okay, that's a little young.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  But I like to look at the stars. The neighbor caller was like, I think there's a child under here. And my mom was like, oh my goodness.

• 48:38Speaker 02

  I have a movie star. This is adding up actually.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  Oh, Lordy, oh, Lordy. My mom would be like, honey, uh, why are you just like, not trying to scare me, but come on over here. She used to like bake cakes to get me out of it. Like I'd climb the tree on windy days because I like the feel of it. And, but it wasn't just the stunt. It was something very aesthetic. And I, I would see movies and I'd see like Singing in the Rain, how they could dance and they moved. And I looked at motion in a very unique way and, and I would think of things. Like the first time I got on an airplane, I was about five, six years old and I'm sitting next to the window and we're taking off and we're, we're taxiing and I'm looking out the window, looking out the window and I'm looking at everyone there. And all I could think of was, as we're taking off, I looked at the wing and I thought, how cool would it be to be out there?

• 49:26Speaker 03

  I don't know why. I was like, that's cool.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  I've always been in here. That seems cooler.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  That seems cooler. That seems cooler. So,

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Nobody's ever done that. I don't know.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  So I was thinking like airplanes and then you kind of go, what story can I tell with that? Like, how can I entertain? I used to create characters and entertain audiences, but that's the kind of stuff that I did. I, I would climb out in that. I, I did so many things and I, I didn't do it well. Like I'd break bones. And I end up in the hospital. My mom would be like, please, honey. And then, please don't do that, please. She, she actually never said, don't do it. What she would do, she'd bake a cake and she'd be like, it's really windy. Why don't you come down here? I got some cake for you. You can add some sugar.

• 50:07Travis Kelce?

  Was it a coconut cake?

• 50:13Speaker 03

  You all already have it.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  So the, the thing is, it's just to entertain. What?

• 50:23Speaker 03

  You know, as a kid, it's like in life, people are like, don't do that. No, no, no. And I'm like, less motion. We want you to sit still in class and don't move. And I'm like, I was always the guy looking out and dreaming and I'm like, you can dream. And I, it's not just because I'm like, other people can do it. You can create your own way and do your, have your own adventures. And I think that's what life is. And I, I always wanted adventurous life. And for me, it's about humanity. It's about those kinds of things. So, so when we get to stunts and stuff, it's, yeah, then the people sometime, look, I, to answer your question, what happens?

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Like, I would do stuff and people like their eyeballs, you know, like this and their these. And I was like, I gotta make sure people aren't standing next to me. Cause I'm trying to, before I'm doing it, I'm like, it's gonna be okay. And then, then I don't want that vibe. Like, you know what? Before you game, you're going into the game, people are going,

• 51:24Travis Kelce?

  You're, you're, yeah.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  Your anxiousness is making me anxious now. I don't need that.

• 51:29Speaker 03

  This is gonna be okay.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  I felt really comfortable before I looked in your eyes.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  I feel real good. It's like, everyone go. I feel very relaxed. I know what I'm gonna do. You know, if shit goes wrong, you know, we have steps in place.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  The last thing you want in a huddle is a quarterback walking in there who doesn't feel sure about what's going on. It's like, brother, I need some confidence. I need, this is the last thing.

• 51:52Travis Kelce?

  Tell me what we're doing, where we're going, and how we're getting there.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  And you don't want anyone looking like, like, yes, exactly.

• 51:57Travis Kelce?

  You guys wanna run this round or what?

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Thousand yard stare. We don't need that. No.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  No, I know. But then you realize it's like, yeah, cause my whole thing is, is I want people, you know, I want those pay those mortgages. I want my movies. As a kid, I was like, I just want my movies to do well enough that I can go all in on the next one. You know, that I can learn more, go all in, and that it creates money. So everyone get their bonuses. And that other artists get to go make their movies. Like for me, I'm always thinking, how do I open this up so that other people could have that opportunity? I, it's not like, oh, do it my way. What, what I love and, you know, talking to you guys, hearing about your life, hearing, how do you see life? What do you see? I'm, it's like, what do you see?

• 52:45Speaker 03

  What's life like for you? What is art for you? What are your, what is that? That, I, I think that's just, interests me more than anything. You know what I mean? It's like,

• 52:54Travis Kelce?

  Fascinating, man. I'm with you.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  I've never met a normal person. We're talking about it. Like, I start, it's like, I wanna be normal. I'm like, I talked to a lot of people.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  You're gonna be real boring.

• 53:04Speaker 03

  I've never met a boring person in my life.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Ever.

• 53:08Travis Kelce?

  You just did the, uh, the cover for GQ. Come on, baby, from one GQ cover to another. Come on, baby, let's go.

• 53:14Speaker 03

  GQ, man.

• 53:15Travis Kelce?

  The one shot with the hat and the bow, the bow tie untied on Hollywood Boulevard. Were you just walking around just, it didn't look like anything, like it was like a set. It was, were you just walking around on Hollywood Boulevard?

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Candid photo.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  I was out with those guys, you know, Adam's editor did a beautiful job. They're like,

• 53:33Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:33Speaker 03

  I said, you know, choreographers, guys, brilliant. And the whole team, everybody was great. But we were there. We had so much fun. And everyone's, you know, cause you know what it's like. We want you here. It's safe here. Go there. And I was like, what do you wanna do? Like, what's your dream? Let's have fun.

• 53:49Travis Kelce?

  Let's have some fun doing it, man.

• 53:51Speaker 03

  And they're like, I wanna go on Hollywood Boulevard. I was like, let's do it. And everyone's like, okay, what's, I said, so we set it up, you know, I'm just in the car. I had change in the car. We just, they kind of played, set it up, and then I'd step out, do the shot. And then we jump back in before the crowd came. And then we go to the next place and jump out. It was so much fun, man.

• 54:10Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 54:11Speaker 03

  It was fun. You gotta,

• 54:12Travis Kelce?

  I'll tell you what, when I was doing mine, uh, the idea came up to go into the Everglades and stand on the roots of, of the like, top of the Everglades. I think the lilies are whatever they are. Yeah. Yeah, whatever the vegetation is. And hold, hold alligator. And I'm just like, let's fucking do it. Are you kidding me? Let's do it. I look back and I'm looking at,

• 54:31Travis Kelce?

  uh, I tell Lindsay all the time, I'm like, you let me do that?

• 54:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, what is the matter with you people?

• 54:37Travis Kelce?

  You understand like that?

• 54:38Speaker 03

  What is the matter with you?

• 54:39Travis Kelce?

  Like guys over there, like putting sticks in the ground just to make sure there weren't any gators underneath me. I'm just like, what? There was 100% gators underneath that thing, dude.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Skaters, there's all sorts of,

• 54:49Speaker 03

  There's no gators. You're gonna be all right.

• 54:50Travis Kelce?

  Poisonous frog.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  You're a big boy. That gator's gonna run.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  That's exactly what they were saying.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  That gator's gonna run. He's, and we've seen you run. You're fast.

• 54:59Travis Kelce?

  But it was so much fun.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  We've seen him run. He'll get, he'll outrun it. We'll just tell him. Get ready to tell him.

• 55:04Travis Kelce?

  No, man. It was, it was so much fun. But you're right, man. It's just like, let's just go for it, man.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Adventure, like.

• 55:09Travis Kelce?

  Oh, it's so much fun. But they put me on, um, these, uh, flyboards down the, on the water. They, it like connects to jet ski. And it's just like, shoot you out. I felt like I was, uh, Marty McFly and, and Back to the Future. I'm just out here hovering around.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  So cool.

• 55:23Travis Kelce?

  No, it's cool stuff, man. I was, I was fortunate. I had to ask you about the GQ stuff.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Oh, that's awesome, man.

• 55:27Travis Kelce?

  Congrats on that. That was awesome.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Congrats to you too.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  We're gonna get to this portion. We gotta ask here, Tom, which is just some rapid fire questions. Feel free to throw them back at us too, if you have any.

• 55:35Travis Kelce?

  I am curious if you were to have a different, uh, occupation or like a different, like what would you be doing?

• 55:42Speaker 03

  That's good. I, I don't know, man. I didn't have plan B.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  Just like you. Like, look, also, you know,

• 55:49Speaker 02

  That's a good way to make sure plan A works out.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  That's it. There was no plan B. I gotta take, I gotta take care of my family. I'm like, this is it. I'm gonna make it work. And here's the thing. Yep. And all in. I'm all in. With everything I do, I'm all in. Now, it's also, I do have a question. It's like, talk about that, like the success, the interest that you have in others and skills. You guys know it from developing a skill. Now, you start out as quarterback and you, many different sports, you guys both. But that, now look at this, you, I mean, as you're evaluating,

• 56:21Travis Kelce?

  But that was plan A. Tight end was always plan B.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  But, but how about that in terms of,

• 56:27Travis Kelce?

  It became plan A.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  But how about that in terms of learning different skills and viewing the world?

• 56:32Travis Kelce?

  That's the thing, yeah.

• 56:33Speaker 03

  And your world.

• 56:34Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, 100%.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  Like you're talking about coaches and different coaches and different techniques. It's like, it is a different language. Every, if you look at a subject, every subject has its own wording, its own vernacular. And there's usually only a couple of hundred words. And if you understand that subject and you can find those couple of hundred words, it becomes, goes from a confusion to order.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  So as you're going through it and you're learning your plays and you're putting things in, when you're starting out looking at the 600 plays you guys have to do, there's a confusion. So you gotta figure out, how do we put order within that confusion? But you're talking about things that I, cause I didn't think, oh, this is what I'm gonna do. I just, I was just doing it.

• 57:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 03

  And then I have to think back of going, what, what worked? What were the successful actions? Don't you guys feel that? Like, what are you thinking? Like, to be able to apply those skills to what you're doing in your business or your life, or what things are successful on a team?

• 57:33Speaker 02

  There's carryover in all of it for sure. And Trav talks about it all the time. Like, the fact that he played quarterback has made him a better tight end.

• 57:39Travis Kelce?

  Without a doubt, yeah.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  He thinks about the game also with that perspective in mind. And,

• 57:44Travis Kelce?

  And I naturally understand the rhythm of the plays, depending on what that quarterback's drop is, his footwork. Um, in terms of timing, I understand what he's doing without even looking at him. So I know my timing and my route is gonna match up with what he's doing in the pocket. And it's just, it's, it's mirrored up because I was fortunate enough to be in the tight end or be in the quarterback room and understand the, just the techniques of what he's got going on, where his eyes are in terms of, and, and you hear it through how the coaches are coaching him, how, and, but it's just a different world being actually in that room. And Jason has the same thing of being a middle linebacker and going to center. He understands the gaps, gap assignments. He understands,

• 58:27Speaker 03

  Defense to offense like that.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  But then you see the linebacker. You're like, okay, the linebacker should be in this A gap. So if he's over there, that means this three technique, something else is gonna show up in this gap. There's a single high safety. This guy, these guys should be pushed over here to cover this receiver over here. You, you know what their rules are. And that helps you then assign your job more effectively or anticipate what they're about to do. And it's, there's carryover. And there's a lot of coaches actually do that where like, they'll have offensive players in an off season go and sit in a defensive room so that they can hear it from the other side. I think it's always a good idea to do that. Problem is you only have so much time. So like, how, how much are we gonna waste from doing offensive line plays and repping that stuff?

• 59:09Speaker 02

  To let them learn why defensive linemen are lining up with, um, you know, as a three technique instead of a four eye shaded on the tackle. Like, we're talking about like a six inch difference. But could completely change the way that guy's gonna play for the play. So, um, yeah, that's, that's the stuff that,

• 59:26Speaker 03

  Do you find that like, that's,

• 59:28Speaker 02

  That's the stuff I nerd out on. Oh, yeah.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  That's the stuff I nerd out on too. Like that, it's sick. It's, yeah.

• 59:33Travis Kelce?

  I had to ask him. When I moved to tight end, I had, I was like, how do you,

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Honestly, it's the thing I probably,

• 59:38Travis Kelce?

  Looking at on defense.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  Well, it's probably the thing I miss, probably one of the things I miss most from the game is that like, looking throughout the week and like, staring at a nose guard to see if he gives any type of tell when he's gonna slant or a defensive end when he's gonna drop. Like, man, every time that nose guard is slant, I don't even wanna say this on camera, cause this is a great tell that people probably don't even know they're doing. But whenever a D lineman puts his forearm on his leg, they don't even realize it, but they're pushing off their leg. So whenever I was in my stance and I saw a nose guard with his forearm on his leg, I'm like, he's gonna slant. And then I look over and sure enough, the nickel would be capped. But if his hand was up and ready to strike me, he's playing his gap straight. So he's gonna stay in that gap. And you're looking for any of these like little things throughout the week. And it might be the smallest thing, but if you got 100% tip on something,

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  you're going into it with a cheat code. You can check into the perfect play, a screen. We were playing the Jets. I'm like, dude, They're bringing the nickel, Jay. Preseason. Oh, yeah. Nickel. Check, uh, what was it? Rocket, uh, laser, go laser. And sure enough, we run a screen, get a touchdown. Yeah. That's the stuff that's the fun.

• 1:00:44Travis Kelce?

  Did you, did you ever play somebody in the league? And I'm actually very curious about this. Did you ever play somebody in the league that had the same, that you knew had the same attention to detail as you? And you, and you, and you would flirt with doing stuff like putting the hand on the knee types, type,

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Well, whenever you're playing it, the older, the older the nose guard. Because you're usually messing with the nose guard. Cause that's the guy staring at you. Maybe the middle linebacker. You would mess with points, right? Like, cause now they all look at the tape and like, okay, the center pointed this way. Real complicated. The protection's going that way. So then it's like, okay, guys, I'm gonna dummy point this one. So I point this way, but I call the guy over here. So then the guy on tape is setting the blitz away from the, so you're starting to mess with that stuff. Then, uh, nose guards, you start to lean. People don't realize you use, it's not even a lot, but you just lean a little bit. If he's on top of it, he knows that. So you're leaning a little bit to the left to try and influence this guy to kind of step this way to start the play and then go right, right?

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  Is that right? So you know he's doing it or you tried to?

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  But then you play a smart guy, like I'm playing Javon Hargrave and I would lean a little bit on the hard count to get guys to jump. And I just leaned very slightly.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Just a little.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  And Hargrave, and the, and the nose guard, it's smart guy, right? And then he's like, you being too obvious.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, is that right?

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Yep. I'm like, oh, you got me. You got me.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  Holy shit. That's good. That is good to be.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  But how about that within seconds now? It's fascinating. It's, it's literally like.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  And there's guys on the defensive side. Luke Keak is calling the plays out. I still remember we're running, we line up and Keak was like, watch the wham! And I'm like, fuck, this place is done. No, this is not gonna work.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  And it's too late to change it.

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  Well, you, you, I don't have that authority. Like the quarterback could change it, but that's, if we're calling the play, we're usually calling it to run it if it's the right look. And, but the funny thing is he knows the coming. He even said it. The play still hit and after a play, he came in, I told you it was coming. I'm like, he did. He told all you guys. You should listen to him.

• 1:02:43Travis Kelce?

  He knows something.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  But isn't that interesting? It's like you look at stuff and you're going, you're in the future. Like you're able to see it and you're predicting. And the only way to be able to do that is if you have the correct technology with which to look at something. It's, it's not just a guess. It's like, you just gotta go, you had the right information. You had the right perception. And people think like, you're running or you're doing that, you're perceiving beyond your own space. And all of that stuff, like, that's why I train in aerobatics. That's, you know, you see me on a motorcycle and I'm traveling. That camera's right there and I'm traveling 130 miles an hour with no.

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  And it's like there, you gotta perceive not just that camera, the other guy's there in the road, you know? But that's some cool stuff. That's, that's the stuff that I geek out on. Like that is the stuff that I'm looking at. And people, it's not even analytical at times. You just, you just, you, you, you perceive it like that. Like I'm riding and you, you know, if I'm there in stunts, I'm going into traffic or whatever. I'm perceiving. I don't know how to explain it, but I perceive the hands on the steering wheel and you could just go, is it, you know, you're flying and it's just a wing and I'm right. You know, the next airplane's just a little higher than that. I'm right under, we're doing, we're doing rolls and loops.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  I'm sweating just thinking about this.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  You perceive this, but also with an actor, you know, you're in a scene and that camera's moving. You're there and you're, it's not analytical.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  But you, you're just, that's jazz.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:15Speaker 03

  That's jazz.

• 1:04:15Travis Kelce?

  The game within the game, baby.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  Guys, it's a game, but it's, it's fascinating talking about it because some people don't understand what it, why or how. Why did it work? How did it work? That's just fasci-, it's fascinating to me, man.

• 1:04:28Travis Kelce?

  It's the best. You were, you were talking about some training. We gotta talk about the pain cave, man. How we get, how we get invited to the pain cave, man.

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  I told you guys, when we were at Taylor's, I said, I told you guys, I said, come to my pain cave.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm in.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  I'm fascinated. I'd be interested to see, you're doing 650 squat. I'm like, I'd be interested to see you destroy these machines, both of you guys. I'd be fascinated.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  The problem is my endurance is low. I'm, I'm geared up for the three to four reps. Once you start getting north of that, I go.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  All it is, it's like, look, I'm,

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  I'm like, you know, when you're hitting hard, that pain cave, like it's, it's,

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  I'm just curious. You guys are welcome anytime. You're welcome anytime.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  It's working. We saw the GQ shoot.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  Gotta bring it, man. You know, you gotta, you gotta show up. You gotta show up.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  We mentioned directing. Have you ever thought about directing? Will you direct?

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  You know what? I, I've, since I was a kid, you know, friends have been like, you should direct, you should do it. It's, I've studied the old movies and these guys are able to make four movies a year. I wanna make a lot of movies. And I've wanted to make a lot of films and I love working with different directors. I love learning from them, seeing their stories, setting the table for them, giving them opportunities. You know, it's, you just see talented people and I'm sure you guys like it. It's like, look, you guys weren't drafted first round. You know, you, you know, but they saw that light in you and that ability and you guys bring it. And I like,

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  you know, the people that I'm choosing or working, maybe not everybody knows necessarily, but some do, some don't, but I'm not just talking about directors. It's everything. And I'm going, the fun of, of that, to have that opportunity. If I'm directing, I don't get to do that. I don't have that experience. That's kind of the way that I think about things. The studio, the lives, and I want, I want it to last. So that's what I'm thinking when I'm making a movie. That's what I feel about directors. I wanna help them. The cinematographers, the actors, and I wanna learn. It's like, and I like seeing their point of view on things. And I like mixing it up. Like Days of Thunder, that movie's gonna be fun.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  That movie's gonna be, I can't wait. Get me in that race car again, man. Please.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Hell yeah.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  Hell you say. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You know, you know what I'm saying. You're in that car. You're in that car.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Come on now.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Come on now. I remember we used to be able to like, uh, back in the eighties, I had, and my sister, I was like, you know, I'm driving around Daytona 200 miles an hour, you know, with these cars. And we had the open helmets. We had the seats and my sister was six months pregnant. I was like, hey guys, you know, jump in the car, you know, I was giving my sister a ride. So they get in and they just hold on to the rails like this. Everyone was like.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  No issues.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  No issues. No, no, like, no HR coming and going, wait a second. How long? It's like, I'll take you around. Go for a spin. What do I do? Just hang on, just hang on. You're gonna be good. I'm gonna be all right. Turn a miles an hour, going right up against the wall. Go give her a couple of laps. She's like, woo. Everyone's like, that was awesome. Next. Now it's like, you gotta sign here. How's that? What speed? I'm always like, look, this is the shot. This is what we're gonna do.

• 1:07:37Travis Kelce?

  Nice. You say you, uh, you try to watch movie a day or a bunch of them. Is there any genre you're in right now? Or is there a movie you've seen that you're, you're, you were like, damn, that was a good one or?

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Many. I, I go back and forth looking at, uh, just preparing for, looking, preparing for days. So I'm, you know, I'm studying just different, uh, just different camera angles of motion, looking at a lot of wide, wide range of films. So I'll even like look at videos and see what are they doing? What are, what are we doing? I'm looking at, I'm looking at older technology.

• 1:08:13Travis Kelce?

  So I, um, being the old head in the building, I, I brought.

• 1:08:17Speaker 03

  Old head at what? 36? Is that right? Are you like the old head? Is it?

• 1:08:21Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah, I'm the.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  In the NFL world, that is, yeah, exactly. They actually call me OG in Philadelphia.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, OG, of course, man.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  My guy, Jaylen Hunt.

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, OG.

• 1:08:29Travis Kelce?

  A lot of the newer teammates that I got weren't born until after 2000. So I brought in my 13 inch box Panasonic TV with the little VCR in it. And there is something so soothing about watching a VC, like a VHS on an old Panasonic or just, I don't know what it is. I just pop in movie after movie. I'm just like getting them all sent to the facility and I'm just popping in movie after movie.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  And what do they like? What do they like when they come in?

• 1:08:57Travis Kelce?

  All of them are just gonna sit over there and it's just like.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  They're like, this looks terrible, Travis.

• 1:09:04Travis Kelce?

  Everybody stops and watches it from a little.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  You ever heard of HD? What are we?

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, but here's the deal. You look at like vinyl.

• 1:09:11Travis Kelce?

  It's came back around. It's came back around.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  I've always been reel to reel and vinyl. I'm an audiophile.

• 1:09:16Travis Kelce?

  Perfect time. We got some vinyl on the back.

• 1:09:17Speaker 03

  I know, we got vinyl. And here's the thing, if you look at, there's Dead Reckoning with Mission. I was like, I want the, I want that vinyl store at the beginning of the movie. I want to build. I just keep putting it there. I'm just, I'm like, I put it there and make this, the store look beautiful. You know, at the beginning of the movie, we're in, in a record store with vinyl.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:09:38Speaker 03

  And now it is coming back because the quality is so fantastic and it's, you know, and you're seeing it. So I love that she's pushing that and that, that kind of stuff, we want that.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  They want it. People are going now, I don't wanna be on my phone. I want real. I'm not, I'm interested. I'm not interested in the digital. I want what's, what's engaging.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  I want something tangible. Something I can hold in my hands. Like even the VHS, like even though the picture doesn't look as good, you're right. There is something where it's like, this thing is a thing.

• 1:10:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  It doesn't, it's not in like some, uh, cyber world that is in a cloud. It's right in my hands and I can, yeah.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  I know. I, there's something about it and it's not just.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  In fact, like in the theater, like where we, we, we watched Digger, you're in a space and there's the, the sound that you hear. It feels so much more alive being in that place.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Yep. Look, I'm not, I have nothing against streaming or any of it. It's like that, that, everything has its place, everything. And I, I guess I'm just, I'm a, it's like being at the stadium last night. Those people were so nice in that stadium. Like in your box and the boxes next to it. Everyone is, we're, we're all there. I just go into Taylor's concert. It's like, and all of us together last night and the whole crowd up there, everyone's just having fun and communicating and we're enjoying like this experience.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  I don't know what to say. It's like, that's, that's like, that's, that is what it's about. That is, that is fun. Tangible, man.

• 1:11:09Travis Kelce?

  Well, sitting right here, it's tangible.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  Dude, I was like, you guys, it's like, I wanna do this, like, you guys are together. I said, I'm not doing this on Zoom.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  No way. We're gonna, I wanna be here. I wanna talk football. I wanna hear about your all's lives and, and have some fun this way. This is...

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  This was a lot of fun.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  This is fun, man.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Tom, thank you so much for, for coming, Tom. This is incredible. And if you wanna have some fun, October 2nd, make sure you go and see Digger. You will enjoy it. It is gonna be a, you're gonna have a reaction. Like, it is gonna take over you. I promise you that. And to prove it, to prove it, we got a special little clip here. We're gonna show these guys. Yeah, yeah. It'll be a sneak peek.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  Good, good.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Enjoy.

• 1:11:51Speaker 03

  I played ball in school. Only game my granddaddy came to, I hit a homerun over the fence by 20. When the car ride of the way home, my granddaddy said to me, I don't give a shit about your homerun, Digger. Anyone can hit a homerun. Triples is what's impressive. Triples requires hustle. And hustle, Digger, is something that you sorely lack, you little lazy piece of shit.

• 1:12:13Speaker 06

  Hello, Mr. Rockwell? Uh, my name is Sandy Clarkson. I'm the Deputy Regional Head of Environmental Security for the drilling facility up here in 79 North Glaze.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, Sandy, Sandy, I know where you're from. How you been, buddy?

• 1:12:25Speaker 06

  I didn't think you'd remember me, sir.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  Of course I do. Sandy Clarkson, you're the man with the five-foot crack. We spoke five months ago.

• 1:12:30Speaker 06

  Uh, that was two weeks ago.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  Sandy, I'm glad you brought it up, 'cause I've been thinking about your five-foot crack for a while now. Here's my take. Now, Glacier over there in Greenland, it shifts five feet. Now, this desk in front of me is bigger than five feet.

• 1:12:42Speaker 06

  But, but, Mr. Rockwell...

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  My dick is a tenth of that size. So, what do you want me to do, Sandy? Shut down a billion-dollar platform over something that's 10 times the size of my dick?

• 1:12:50Travis Kelce?

  Bang, bang, bang.

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  Digger coming out, October 2nd. Make sure you guys go and see it in theaters. It is such a relevant story to what we got going on in the world today. You got power, greed, freedom, right?

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know what? And these, this story is as old as time. Because you can have power at, you know, we were talking about the schoolyard, in any echelon of life, there's this, these characters play in, and it just, it, it is about that. It is about, it is modern, but it is ancient in terms of its exploration and exposer of human behavior and, and a very humorous and emotional way. And it is immediate. It is, it is absurd. It is present. People can relate it to their own lives.

• 1:13:40Travis Kelce?

  In the best way, man. It's, it's so good. Excited as hell for all you guys to experience it as well.

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me. Thank you for hosting me last night.

• 1:13:48Travis Kelce?

  Come on, man.

• 1:13:49Speaker 03

  For hosting me today, for sharing, for sharing your, your family and your lives. It was, it's awesome.

• 1:13:55Travis Kelce?

  You're the best, man.

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  It kicks off this, kicks off this tour. It's beautiful.

• 1:13:58Travis Kelce?

  Come on, baby. You're the best, man.

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  It is our pleasure, to say the least.

• 1:14:01Travis Kelce?

  And that's awesome, dude.

• 1:14:09Travis Kelce?

  I mean, he's just the coolest guy in the world.

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, well, not even he's the coolest, but he's genuinely the most interested person in, like, whatever you're talking about.

• 1:14:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  I could sit there and talk to Tom forever, because he loves just, like, conversing and taking information. Like, you talked about it on the interview, like, he really enjoys finding out why people do things, how they do things. Um, he's just a genuinely fun person to be around.

• 1:14:37Travis Kelce?

  He is, man.

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  To talk to. Thank you so much for coming on the show, Tom. You killed it. Again, we've said it about 18,000 times. Check out Digger. You're gonna love it.

• 1:14:45Travis Kelce?

  You're gonna love it.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  It's gonna make you cry. It's gonna make you laugh. You're gonna be very viscerally affected by some of the best damn acting you've ever seen in your fucking life.

• 1:14:56Travis Kelce?

  I concur with what he just said. And that does it for New Heights. A Wondery show brought to you by Nissan. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media. Add New Heights Show for fun clips. We're gonna have a bunch for you. And, uh, thanks to our production, everybody that helped out here in KC. We love you guys. And a shout out to Tom Cruise, man. You're the best, dude.

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  Peace.