Trail Tales 104: Illegal Collections, Haunted Dreams & Men in Windows

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• 0:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  Hey everyone. Welcome back to National Park After Dark. I'm Cassie.

• 0:21Danielle LaRock?

  I'm Danielle and you're listening to Trail Tales edition of National Park After Dark.

• 0:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  You are. This is the episode where you write in to us about your stories in the outdoors or haunted places, or wherever they may be, stories that you think that we would find interesting. And now we are reading them back to you. And if you're listening and you think that you have a story that would be good to share on the podcast, you can write into us at npadpodcast.com. And let's get into some trail tales. Can I go first?

• 0:50Danielle LaRock?

  Sure.

• 0:51Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay. Mine is titled, "The Nystrum Family's Third Man Factor Story." "I've been going back to listen to older episodes after I became an outsider. I was listening to Spirit or Science, the third man factor, and I knew I had to write in. "When I was five years old, my half brother Tyler died by suicide at age 20." Yeah, we are starting with the heavy shit. "Being so young, it was a hard concept to grasp, and we had been very close before he left for college. We recently found an ancient video camera from the early 90s in our attic with some forgotten tapes of him and his amazing laugh. Soon after his death, he started to visit me. He would tell me stories, read books,

• 1:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  and play with me in my room after my parents had gone to bed. While this may sound like an active imagination of a five-year-old, I would relay the stories he told to my parents, who were speechless at some of the facts that I shared. There was no way I could have known about some of the things that he shared. A few harmless memories, like sneaking us into the garage to eat cookie dough, out of the tub my mom kept in the fridge, or sledding when the pond was frozen over. But others, the others were purely Tyler. He told me about how he used to sneak out of the house. Our house is one-story and set in the woods outside of Seattle. It was built in the early 60s by a local architect, which is a long

• 2:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  way to say the windows are unique. They swing outwards with an L latch and are pretty skinny, so Tyler would wiggle his little teen ass out the window, then use a screwdriver to close the latch after him. He stored that screwdriver in the eaves above the window, hidden away for only him to know. Tyler told me this story when I was about seven or eight, a few years after he was gone. I was still not tall enough to reach the eaves, so I told my parents I wanted to look. They walked outside with me, probably not fully convinced we weren't reaching into a wasp nest. But there it was, a screwdriver, untouched. They had never known how he would sneak in and out, but there it was, irrefutable, physical

• 2:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  proof. His visits continued for years, but became less frequent as I spent less time in my parents' house. He would show up more during times of stress or family holidays. He was never a sad spirit, but seemed happy to get more time with his family. Tyler came to visit me in spring of 2025. It had been a while since our last talk, and I had kind of figured he was gone since his mom had passed in 2019. But there he was. He asked me about everyone. He asked about our dad. He said, "It's been nice to have mom with me, but you still need dad there with you. Hug him for me." I'm not crying, you are.

• 3:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  "In late 2024, our town went through a freak bomb cyclone. Trees were down everywhere. One was on my parents' house, but missed their bedroom by a few feet. Tyler said he was there that night of the storm. He made sure that we were safe. I will always miss my brother, and I'm so comforted that he is always watching out for us." You are more than welcome to share this on the pod, or just read it and know that there are no such thing as coincidences. I may have been haunted, but it's a privilege sometimes.

• 4:10Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, it is a privilege. Thank you for sharing that story. And you just have such a special relationship with your brother that has just continued your whole life in such a cool way. Like, imagine being those parents and having your child be telling you this information, and then there's physical proof to back it up.

• 4:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  This is probably, from all of the stories that I can remember, the most, like, vivid visitation that I've ever heard.

• 4:44Danielle LaRock?

  Well, detailed.

• 4:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  Detailed, but also to be like, yeah, he visits and has conversations with me. You know, I feel like a lot of the visitations that we've heard have been either like, kind of blurry dreams, or like a feeling, or like a quick voice, or like a couple words. But these sound like full questions, full conversations, and it feels like it's very much a like, yeah, he's just here visiting. And I know he's here. And it just feels a lot, these visitations feel stronger than, I think, many of what we've heard before, which is really, really cool.

• 5:18Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. And I know that they said it's kind of tapered over time, but he still pops in every once in a while. Yeah, I think it's just really cool that.

• 5:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  Really, really cool.

• 5:29Danielle LaRock?

  Even if they're not as strong and intense, they are still around.

• 5:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, there's a comfort in knowing that they're here, especially in times when they're really needed.

• 5:39Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, like bomb cyclones.

• 5:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 5:43Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

• 5:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  Moment.

• 5:46Danielle LaRock?

  This is a big moment. Okay, so my first story is titled, "The Man in the Windows." "Hey there, Cassie and Danielle. My name is Lindsay, and I live in the great state of Wisconsin. Shout out to the Midwest. I have been a listener since late 2021, but listened on and off for many years until I had to quell the burning desire to listen to every single episode of yours from the beginning. The stories that you two tell are compelling, and I love the intro and atmospheric music that starts off each and every story. I told myself that whenever I catch up, that I would finally submit the trail tale that has been lingering in the back of my mind. So now that I finally made it to the present day, it's time to tell you all a ghost story from a complete skeptic,

• 6:29Danielle LaRock?

  AKA my dad. The story starts on a spooky chilly Halloween night at my parents' place in Iowa. They were living in a sizable suburban neighborhood, so after a long evening of handing out candy to trick-or-treaters, my mom and I retired to the living room and started chatting while eating some of the leftover candy. We started talking about ghosts and supernatural things, it was Halloween after all, when my dad walked in on the conversation. Simply put, my dad is an absolute non-believer when it comes to all things supernatural. He has never been interested in talking about ghosts, spirits, or anything of the like. He would routinely make fun of my mom and I while we watched Ghost Adventures, usually leaving the room if he saw that we had it on. I kind of don't blame him, though.

• 7:13Danielle LaRock?

  Zach Bagans is very dramatic. As a kid, he would always reassure me that ghosts weren't real. Scoff at any mention of them, you get the idea."

• 7:23Cassandra Yahnian?

  I love a skeptic.

• 7:24Danielle LaRock?

  Do you?

• 7:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  I just think it's fun when skeptics have experiences.

• 7:32Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, and they're like, well, maybe. And they're always kind of like, a little reluctant, I think. I mean, everyone's entitled to their own beliefs, of course. It's just when, I think I have a, I take issue with skeptics when they try to put others down for their beliefs.

• 7:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  Right.

• 7:51Danielle LaRock?

  That's where I get, it's like, you can believe or not believe whatever you want, but don't make fun of me.

• 7:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's fair. That's a fair feeling. I just think like, when it's not coming to something that's like as deep as that of like shaming someone's beliefs, but just being like, there's no such thing as ghosts. That's wild. That's crazy. But then, having an experience that you can't explain. And I feel like we get stories like that a lot, where it's like, hey, I'm a skeptic, and this happened to me, maybe you have an explanation, but I cannot think of anything. I think it's just, I think it's fun to be like, okay.

• 8:24Danielle LaRock?

  Response to that. And it's always, welcome.

• 8:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Welcome.

• 8:28Danielle LaRock?

  Welcome to the side over here. Welcome to the dark side. "When he walked in on my mom and I talking, I anticipated the usual scoff and a few words about how ghosts aren't real. Imagine the look of disbelief on my face when he decided to sit down, join the conversation, and drop a ghost story of his own. When my dad was a kid, probably around seven, and living in Kansas, he would regularly go on trips with my grandma down to the Grand Lake of the Cherokees. This lake is a large man-made reservoir situated in northeastern Oklahoma, in the foothills of the Ozark Mountains on the Cherokee Reservation. This particular trip, they decided that they were going to stay in a vacation rental, which happened to be a mobile home. According to my dad,

• 9:11Danielle LaRock?

  they arrived at the trailer late one summer night. I'm sure they were tired from traveling and ready to get inside and kick back for the evening. Unfortunately, as they stepped inside, they were not able to relax at all because the mobile home started violently shaking. Not only was it violently shaking, but my dad reported that he saw a man's face in all of the windows. Yes, not just one window, but all of them.

• 9:36Cassandra Yahnian?

  Same face?

• 9:37Danielle LaRock?

  And it was the same exact face.

• 9:41Danielle LaRock?

  "I can't even imagine the sheer terror of being inside of a shaking building with duplicates of a creepy-ass man's face in all of the windows."

• 9:51Cassandra Yahnian?

  New fear unlocked.

• 9:53Danielle LaRock?

  I never considered that as a possibility.

• 9:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  Me either.

• 9:57Danielle LaRock?

  "I do want to pause here and provide a disclaimer. I have repeatedly asked my dad for more details on this event, like what the faces look like, how hard the trailer was shaking, literally anything else. But either from trauma or stubbornness, he refuses to elaborate. All he can confirm is that, yes, it was the same face in all of the windows."

• 10:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  Plot twist, there's only one window?

• 10:21Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, so I guess it was only one face in one window. So markedly less, markedly less.

• 10:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  Scary.

• 10:32Danielle LaRock?

  My grandma grabbed my dad and ran out of the trailer, noting no one on the outside of the trailer as they ran and they left. I'm not sure if they found somewhere else to stay or just drove home, but my non-believer spooky-hating dad went through something like this and is apparently just chill with the whole thing. If my grandma was still around, I would have loved to ask her about her version of the story. Thanks for listening to my dad's little tale. I wish I had more to tell you, but the fact that my dad just dropped this on us one night is just mind-blowing to me. Maybe one day I'll pry for more details from him, maybe. Enjoy the view, but watch out for the skeptics in your life. You never know when they might just surprise you with a spooky tale of their own.

• 11:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  I guess my question is if he doesn't believe in ghosts, what did he think all of these same faces were?

• 11:16Danielle LaRock?

  And the shaking of the, yeah, I don't know. But she did say he was around seven years old, so maybe, I don't know.

• 11:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  He just didn't think about it that much of like what it actually could be?

• 11:29Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, I'm not sure. It clearly stuck with him, though.

• 11:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. Think your dad got haunted. All right. Well, moving on to my next trail tale. This one is titled, "I Could Be Arrested For This Trail Tale." Hello, wonderful ladies. Just like everyone else who writes in, love the podcast. I recently discovered it and have been binge-listening to catch up to the present since. I wasn't going to write in until after I caught up, but I just listened to the Resurrection Pleistocene Park episode and thought you'd be interested in hearing my collection of body parts from endangered species. Feel free to share this story on the podcast. I've left out all identifying details because this story could literally very well end up with US fish and wildlife

• 12:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  banging down my door with a search warrant. Well, not really, but maybe. Are we gonna get arrested? Are we gonna be?

• 12:24Danielle LaRock?

  Are we gonna get arrested?

• 12:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Are we gonna get called to testify against you? Because I don't want to. I'm not a snitch.

• 12:30Danielle LaRock?

  That's why I gave you this story. I don't want to be involved.

• 12:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Right. Let's see what this is about. That's right. I have a collection of body parts from endangered species. That may be a slight exaggeration. I'm not talking femurs, skulls, eyeballs, and jars, etc. But I have cheetah fur, bobcat toenails, Florida panther whiskers, a peregrine falcon foot/leg, black bear fur, a two-toed sloth claw, a manatee tooth, orangutan fur, manatee skin, stingray barbs, a red wolf tooth, and green sea turtle skin. There's probably more that I'm forgetting. I haven't looked through the entire collection in a while. I even have a wallet made from manatee skin, a clutch bag made from stingray

• 13:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  leather, and a necklace made from a Kemp's ridley sea turtle shell. I guess some backstory is probably warranted. Yeah, I have a lot of questions of why.

• 13:27Danielle LaRock?

  I'm calling Wes. Calling the police.

• 13:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm calling US wildlife.

• 13:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Wes is the police.

• 13:37Danielle LaRock?

  Wes is the wildlife police, and he's probably pissed.

• 13:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  I would. We need to know why.

• 13:43Danielle LaRock?

  That's a lot of things to have, also.

• 13:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  Like, where'd you get all this? I guess we're gonna find out. Okay. For the last 25 years, I have had the privilege of working as a wildlife rehabilitator, a zookeeper, and an aquarius across multiple states for various organizations at several zoological aquarium facilities. In all of these roles, I got to work hand-in-hand with so many amazing animals, from sharks, stingrays, and sea turtles, to manatees and dolphins, great apes and smaller primates, and pretty much every species of bird of prey and mammals native to the southeastern United States. Eagles, falcons, hawks, brown and red foxes, bobcats, panthers, bears, otters, raccoons, etc.

• 14:28Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, stop bragging. I mean, it's cool, but I'm jealous.

• 14:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Danielle's very jealous right now.

• 14:36Danielle LaRock?

  That's why I'm calling the police.

• 14:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  Not because you shouldn't have these things, but because you shouldn't be bragging like this.

• 14:43Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 14:48Cassandra Yahnian?

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• 16:15Cassandra Yahnian?

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• 17:00Cassandra Yahnian?

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• 17:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  All of the items, except the wallet, clutch, and necklace, I'll get to those later, have been collected by myself from animals I've had the chance to work with, and it's all been done ethically and humanely. Cat whiskers and nails are shed regularly, fur is shaved during medical procedures, manatee teeth are shed, stingray barbs fall out, etc. The one thing I won't have in my collection? Bird feathers. Almost all birds in the United States are protected under the Migratory Bird Act, and it makes it illegal to possess any part of a migratory bird, feathers included. Don't even think about bald eagle feathers, those are even more highly regulated. Coworkers and friends have said it's a really weird

• 18:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  collection and that I'm weird for having it. To them, I usually say, "We'll see who's laughing when I'm the only one with the DNA of these animals to bring them back from extinction."

• 18:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's why the podcast episode reminded me of my collection going out Jurassic Park on us. It's like I will be the last holdout for these species.

• 18:36Danielle LaRock?

  Reminds me of like the, you know, that like seed vault in Norway or whatever. Yeah, you have a animal vault in wherever you are.

• 18:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  The manatee and shark skin bag wallet and turtle shell necklace were all confiscated by the USFWS and donated to a facility I worked at for educational purposes. Somehow, some way, they managed to migrate into my collection instead. I know this is already long, but I wanted to touch on one more thing you brought up in the podcast episode: de-extinction. If you aren't familiar already, you should look it up. Elvis taxons, they're essentially species that have gone extinct but then later reemerge in the fossil record as very similar species. The aldebar rail is an example. It was a flightless bird on the island of Aldebar that went extinct 136,000 years ago due to sea level rise. An almost identical bird,

• 19:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  re? emerged on the island about 100,000 years ago. The white-throated rail is the descendant of that second species and still inhabits the island today. I've been racking my brain for some stories of my adventures to share, but almost all of them would be from the perspective of an animal care professional, not necessarily in the wild, although I did come face-to-face with a 14-foot crocodile in the Everglades once. If I hear about my collection on the pod when I catch up to the present time, I'll consider it a sign to share another story. Until then, enjoy the view, but watch your back, or you might end up in my collection. Oh my god.

• 20:11Danielle LaRock?

  Oh.

• 20:13Cassandra Yahnian?

  That took a turn. That took a turn at the end.

• 20:15Danielle LaRock?

  I appreciate it, though.

• 20:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  I do, too. I like your humor. Yeah. And I like, I won't call anyone on you. The beginning had me concerned.

• 20:27Danielle LaRock?

  I don't know. Yeah. At first, I was like, wow, this is great. They're anonymous, too, right?

• 20:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 20:32Danielle LaRock?

  Smart. Smart move.

• 20:36Danielle LaRock?

  Um, okay. So my second story is titled passed out on the trans Canada highway. And then I added a little like subtitle to this story after I read it initially. AKA Cassie almost killed us.

• 20:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  Me?

• 20:53Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, you. The only Cassie I know.

• 20:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  I wouldn't do that. How did I almost kill you guys?

• 21:00Danielle LaRock?

  Let me tell you.

• 21:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  I want to know.

• 21:02Danielle LaRock?

  Hi ladies, I love listening to your podcast. It's my go to for my 50 minute commute to work or when I'm out on my morning five kilometer walks. Recently, my partner and I went on our annual trip to visiting Thunder Bay, Ontario. We lived there for eight years and have moved away two years ago. So now we venture 16 hours by car to visit for two weeks every year. This time I kept my NPAD episodes for the drive home. We were about three hours from our house on day two of our commute. We began to listen to the new episode, Die or Amputate Your Arm. We were both excited to hear a new side of Aaron's story as we have watched the movie and heard lots of side notes about his experience.

• 21:44Danielle LaRock?

  What I was not expecting was my partner to be squeamish with the details.

• 21:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  But I've heard so many people say I traumatized them with the details I gave in that episode.

• 21:55Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, it's like, do you want the gory details? Do you not?

• 21:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  I thought you guys liked this.

• 22:01Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, we thought you liked it because every time we're like, oh, well, just like you get the idea, right? And people are like, no, we want to know everything. And then we tell you everything and then you get sick.

• 22:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  Pass out.

• 22:14Danielle LaRock?

  My partner was driving while we were listening and I mentioned that the arm breaking content was making me feel nauseous. My partner laughed at me. Next up was the detailed event of what Aaron felt while amputating his arm. Here I felt okay. I had settled in more. All of a sudden, my partner cranks the sound off. I look over and he says, I need water. I'm going to pass out.

• 22:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  And he's driving.

• 22:39Danielle LaRock?

  And he's driving. I quickly grabbed my water and lifted up to his mouth. Maybe 10 seconds after he says he's going to pass out, the car towing a teardrop trailer starts to veer off to the left, crossing our double lane. I quickly grabbed a hold of the wheel from the passenger seat as he starts to drift off. Thankfully, his foot was positioned on the brake. So as he drifted out of consciousness, his foot slowly lowered onto the brake. I steered us off of the highway onto the shoulder. I threw the car into park and quickly jumped out to get my partner's door and bring fresh air into the vehicle. After a minute or so, he came back to and jumped out of the car with zero recollection of what had happened.

• 23:22Danielle LaRock?

  After getting him some clothes to change into, giving him some sour candies and ice cold water, he jumped back into the passenger seat and I kept us on our travels. The whole way back, we talked about how lucky we were in that instance. One, we were lucky he could voice it to me. Two, there were no other cars in either lanes near us and we drifted off to the side. Three, his foot landed on the brake instead of the gas. And four, if he had passed out 30 seconds later, we would have drifted into a rock wall instead of the potential ditch. After a trip of rock climbing and scrambling, paddle boarding Lake Superior, mountain biking and hiking 60 kilometer trails, we agreed that we were not testing our luck for a while after this incident.

• 24:04Danielle LaRock?

  One minor suggestion would be to add a disclaimer to skip or prepare for the gruesome details if people get queasy. I have since finished the episode while on my morning walks with earbuds in. I'm excited for more episodes to come, whether it be survival, ghost, silly happenstances, or wow moment stories. Enjoy the view, but watch out for your driving partner.

• 24:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Wow. Okay.

• 24:28Danielle LaRock?

  Didn't you give a warning?

• 24:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  I, I'm. I do not remember if I gave a warning. If I did, maybe it was at the beginning of the episode, but not like right before. So I will note that because in all honesty, when I read the book and like, listen to this for me, I didn't even think of it as an issue or being squeamish or anything like it. It truly just didn't. It didn't occur to me that it could affect other people.

• 24:57Danielle LaRock?

  He's cutting off his arm.

• 24:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. And that's so scary. And I'm so happy that you guys are okay. And I'm glad that it worked out and you were able to handle it and like, take care of him in this, in this moment, and the fact that you're towing a trailer. I mean, that could have gone really, really horribly and I'm very, very happy that you're okay.

• 25:17Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 25:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  On the other end of that, I am so flattered. I am so flattered. Am I?

• 25:24Danielle LaRock?

  You did a great job.

• 25:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  Storyteller in the world. Like, I have never.

• 25:28Danielle LaRock?

  You affect people.

• 25:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  I didn't know I could do that with my words or my storytelling.

• 25:34Danielle LaRock?

  There was another.

• 25:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  I don't want to do that, but like the fact that you felt my story so deeply, the way that I was telling it, that you had such a physical and emotional reaction. I'm kind of flattered.

• 25:46Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. I mean, it's a compliment, really.

• 25:49Cassandra Yahnian?

  I don't want that to happen. I don't want to put anyone in a dangerous situation, but I did my job.

• 25:55Danielle LaRock?

  Okay. So I was racking my brain. I'm like, I feel like this has happened before with something. And it did, but not because of your amazing storytelling.

• 26:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  Thank you.

• 26:06Danielle LaRock?

  It was because of our really shitty audio at the beginning. Because I don't know if you remember this, but I remember where I was when I read this email. I was still living in Washington and it was when like.

• 26:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  The ads?

• 26:20Danielle LaRock?

  Yes, the ad, because we didn't do any host read ads yet. You're like, we weren't at that level yet. So what we did was just do auto inserted ads and their volume was so different than ours. And our volume was all out of whack.

• 26:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  Way too low.

• 26:34Danielle LaRock?

  Always way too quiet, especially when Cassie speaks because she has such a soft, angelic, meditative voice.

• 26:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  Thank you.

• 26:44Danielle LaRock?

  That when it switched and the audio, the auto inserted ads would just start abruptly like mid-sentence. It was the Wild West back then. Like it was just, you never know when they were coming.

• 26:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Ad was going to come up.

• 26:55Danielle LaRock?

  No, these little footstep transitions didn't exist yet.

• 27:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  You're welcome.

• 27:01Danielle LaRock?

  But you guys are lucky, actually, is what we're trying to say. But somebody said that they were driving in their car and they had, um, they could like barely hear us. So they had their volume cranked up almost all the way. And then the ad came on and it gave them like, uh, what's it called when it like bursts your ear?

• 27:19Danielle LaRock?

  Like the actual name.

• 27:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  We injured people.

• 27:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  We're very sorry.

• 27:25Danielle LaRock?

  Listen with care.

• 27:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Listen with care. We should have that as a disclosure.

• 27:30Danielle LaRock?

  Ah, so funny. Okay, your turn. Glad you guys are okay. Yeah.

• 27:36Cassandra Yahnian?

  Truly, truly though, very glad you guys are okay.

• 27:40Cassandra Yahnian?

  All right. My next story and last story is titled Old Homes, Grave Stones and Haunted Dreams. Hello, Cassie and Danielle. My name is Suki. Go ahead and use it. A few months ago, a friend recommended this podcast to me and now I'm hooked. Ever since I heard my first Trail Tale episode, I knew I needed to write in with my family's favorite ghost story. My Trail Tale takes place on my grandparents' farm on Maryland's Chester River, a part of Chesapeake Bay. This is my go-to paranormal story for campfires and sleepovers, so I thought it would fit in here. Before I tell you the story, you need to hear some background about my family's farm. My grandparents live on it today, but it's been in the family for a very long time,

• 28:23Cassandra Yahnian?

  from when they first settled here in the late 1600s. My grandparents live in a house dating back about the same time. We call it fittingly, the big house. It's tan and brick with a large wraparound screen porch. That's the best place to sit on long summer nights. But here's what you need to know for the story. The house was built with a wing for servants with smaller rooms and a back staircase that leads directly to the kitchen. It also has larger rooms where the family would have lived with a much larger and grander staircase at the front of the house. Oh, and it's about 50 feet from the centuries old family graveyard. My grandmother and some of her friends were staying out at the house there to catch up,

• 29:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  take walks on the river shore, et cetera. One of her friends was driving in very late at night. So my grandmother told him he should let himself in through the back so he could get some sleep. He'd never been to the house before, so she gave him directions to go up the old servant's staircase to find his room. He arrived at the house after midnight, parked his car and headed up the back staircase, just as my grandmother told him. He went directly to his room and he fell asleep. In the morning, he headed back down the stairs to the kitchen where my grandmother and her other friends greeted him and offered him breakfast. However, something had visibly shaken him with a panicked expression. He was sweating.

• 29:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  This was especially strange for him as his friends knew him as an easygoing guy who is not one to let his nerves get the best of him. So my grandma asked him to sit down and tell him what had him so spooked. He explained that the night before he had an awful dream. In his dream, he was being shown around the house by a man and a woman wearing colonial style clothing. They led him around the house, giving him a tour of the rooms. He listened and followed them patiently as they led him through the library, the dining room and the wide porch. However, eventually the couple showed him down a long hall with a single door at the end. Something about the hallway and the door made him uneasy. All of the other doors they had passed through over the course of the tour

• 30:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  had been open prior to them walking through, and this one was shut and dark. The more his dread of entering the room mounted, the more the man and the woman, but especially the woman, cajoled him to enter it. He explained to them that he had enjoyed their tour, but he just couldn't go through the door and couldn't explain why he was afraid. The woman was now trying to physically push him towards the door. At this point, he woke up in a sweat and the dream ended. Telling people about the dream calmed his nerves and the man laughed at himself for being frightened of the nightmare while they ate some breakfast and had a much-needed cup of coffee. My grandmother then asked her friend if he would like to take her on a real tour of the house.

• 31:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  They left the kitchen and entered the large hall with the main staircase. When my grandmother's friend saw the two portraits hanging over the grand stairs, he gasped, yelling, "That's them! Those are the people from my dream." Remember, this man had not seen the house before and hadn't come up the main staircase. He had gone directly up the back to his room and down the same way for breakfast. My grandmother led him through the house, but he didn't need a tour. He knew which door led to the library and the bedrooms because he had seen them in his dream. The only thing missing was the hallway with the door. It wasn't anywhere in the real house and he couldn't remember how he had gotten to it in the dream. But the story doesn't end there.

• 32:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  My mom and dad were staying at a different house on the property and met up with my grandmother and her friends several days later, where they were, of course, regaled with the tale. This is where my mom remembered something important. The people in the portraits were Mary and Richard, our first ancestors to come here from England. They are also buried in the family graveyard behind the house. The very night that my grandmother's friend had had that dream, though, the gravestones were being repaired, meaning that Mary's gravestone was actually fully pulled out of the ground and wasn't pieces. Coincidence? There's no such thing.

• 32:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  Most of my family has always seemed to take it as fact that the farm is haunted. To this day, my little sister Lucy still compliments the portraits every time she goes up those stairs. And although we like to think of ourselves as level-headed and rational, there are way too many spooky stories affiliated with this place. From my aunt's experience with hauntings in the library, to my cousin's tall tales, to my sister's insistence on the presence of a mule ghost in the barns, everyone seems to have a story. Something about this one, though, with the haunting dream and proof at the end, has always given me chills in a different way. I've heard this story told by many different family members, even my grandmother herself,

• 33:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  but every time it leaves me with the same question. What could be on the other side of that door in his dream? Why did my ancestor's spirits want him to enter so badly? I'd be curious to know what y'all think. Thanks for listening to my story. My whole family loves the podcast, so we'd all be thrilled if this makes it on. Remember to always enjoy the view, but watch for ghosts messing with your dreams. Suki.

• 33:54Danielle LaRock?

  Well, my initial feeling is I don't think it's anything bad because it's your family.

• 33:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I would be curious how they died, if there's anything, if there's any type of bad history or dark history in their death. But for the door, I kind of wonder, since it's an old house, is it possible that there could have been a door there at some point in time in the house? Like, if there's anywhere in the house that there maybe once was a door?

• 34:22Danielle LaRock?

  And through renovations, it's been lost or whatever.

• 34:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Like, if you have old blueprints of when the house was first built, if that's even a thing, I don't know. But, yeah. And where could it have gone? And, like, maybe there's, maybe there's a body in the wall.

• 34:40Danielle LaRock?

  A body?

• 34:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 34:42Danielle LaRock?

  Or some, like, family heirlooms.

• 34:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  That would be cooler. I don't know, the dream felt so dark. The dream felt so dark and he was terrified and he had a really bad feeling about this door, which makes me feel like there's something in the walls.

• 34:57Danielle LaRock?

  Feel like it's something important.

• 34:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  Or in a secret room that you don't know exists.

• 35:00Danielle LaRock?

  You want to know what we think? I think, at least, that you should just, like, go rip that wall down in your physical home and see what's there.

• 35:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  It sounds like they don't know which wall it is, though, because he couldn't remember how he got there in his dream. So, start knocking on the walls and feel for something hollow.

• 35:20Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, yeah, start there. Okay, well, report back, please. If you do go down that route of home demolition, we would love to know.

• 35:33Danielle LaRock?

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• 36:59Cassandra Yahnian?

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• 38:02Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, so my last story is titled "Two Girls, One Indigenous Apparition." Hey ladies, my name is Erica and I'm happy to be here sharing a trail tale with you. And first, thank you for your dedication to the craft. This podcast has thrown gas into a dim flame in my heart. It has made me want to travel, learn stories from history, and spend as much time in nature as possible.

• 38:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  I love that.

• 38:25Danielle LaRock?

  Ever since I was a young girl, I have had a handful of unexplainable things happen around me, things I would categorize as supernatural. I don't talk about them very often. They're almost never well-received. I've had experiences that I kept secret from my family for years, only to later get confirmation from my mom that my first home was, in fact, haunted. Those realizations were validating, but they also made me feel a bit isolated in my experiences. Most of the time when I try to open up to people, I am met with wide eyes and silence with the obvious undertone of disbelief. So I tend to keep these things to myself, but I was happy to find a safe space to share one of my experiences with you girls and your listeners.

• 39:07Danielle LaRock?

  My story today is set in my hometown, Wenatchee, which is a small city in central Washington's high desert. It's a place known as the apple capital of the world. It's the birthplace of the Cosmic Crisp Apple, which, if you haven't tried one, do it. And it's where the foothills of the Cascade Mountains meet the Columbia River. The skyline is defined by a well-known trail named Saddle Rock Trail. To the indigenous Wenatchee Pisgasa people, it's known as Two Bears. The name comes from a legend in which a grizzly and black bear were fighting for the love and respect of their mutual husband, the coyote. Eventually coyote got tired of their fighting and turned them both to stone. Those two stone

• 39:49Danielle LaRock?

  bears are what we now see as the Saddle Rock skyline, and that's where my story takes place. Well, technically, it takes place in the parking lot just over a decade ago. My ride or die best friend got married last month, and she's the other character in this story. So it felt like the right time to share it as a little dedication to her and our friendship. We'll call her G. One late summer night, when we were in our early twenties, G and I were doing something we had done together many times. We were driving around, looking for somewhere to park to smoke weed. We ended up at the Saddle Rock Trailhead parking lot. This is a very popular hiking spot, and we'd both been here probably hundreds of times since we were kids. We pulled up and parked facing the

• 40:33Danielle LaRock?

  entrance so we could see if anyone was coming up the road. We were the only car there. We rolled down our windows and turned the car off, and we're just sitting there talking for a few minutes, I'm sure, about boys. We hadn't smoked yet, when one of us noticed someone walking towards the car and brought it to the other's attention. We both stared out of the windshield, trying to mentally comprehend what we were exactly looking at. At this time, there was only a couple of streetlights in the lot, and one of them was directly in front of us. We are watching this tall male figure with long hair walking straight for our car. We couldn't see very well, but we could absolutely see his silhouette. We were completely frozen, just watching, and then when

• 41:15Danielle LaRock?

  he stepped into the glare of the streetlight, we watched as he literally dissipated like dust in the wind. He was legitimately just poof, gone. It was like something you see straight out of a movie, except it wasn't a movie. We had watched it happen in real time. Neither of us said anything for a few seconds. We just sat there, completely silent, trying to comprehend what we had just witnessed. And then one of us finally said something along the lines of, "Did we just fucking see that?" We confirmed that, yes, without a question, we had both seen it. After we came to our senses, we high-tailed it out of there. And to this day, we have absolutely no explanation for

• 41:58Danielle LaRock?

  what we saw. We didn't tell anyone after it happened. Honestly, it took us a long time to circle back and talk about it again with one another. We never felt like we were in danger. It didn't feel threatening. It just felt like something was telling us that we were not welcome there, and we took that message seriously. Thanks for reading my trail tale. Enjoy the view, but keep an eye out for apparitions in the night. You never know who or what is watching you. Erica.

• 42:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Whoa, that is, that is such a crazy experience to have. I will say, I would prefer that over an actual man, like beelining it to my car in the middle of the night in an empty parking lot.

• 42:39Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. And it's just really cool.

• 42:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's what I would prefer. If a man is walking towards my car, who is creepy and in the middle of the night, that they would just dissipate.

• 42:49Danielle LaRock?

  Just dissolve into the wind.

• 42:51Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. Get out of here.

• 42:53Danielle LaRock?

  I just think it's cool, because with so many of our stories and people who recount having some sort of paranormal, paranormal experience, especially visually, you know, seeing something out of the corner of their eye, or a shadow, or, you know, you're second guessing yourself. It feels like this, I'm sure it wasn't a long period of time, but long enough that they saw him, they saw him walking towards the car, and then saw him disappear all in one go. Instead of just a flash of something, or, you know what I mean? It just feels so much more detailed and unique as of an experience. And I'm just waiting for something like that to happen to me.

• 43:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  I feel like it will at some point.

• 43:39Danielle LaRock?

  I mean, I had that one experience when I was in Evergreen, in my Evergreen house.

• 43:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's true.

• 43:46Danielle LaRock?

  But it wasn't-

• 43:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  You saw a family by your bed.

• 43:48Danielle LaRock?

  I did see a family by my bed. And they took a step towards me, and then they disappeared. But I wasn't fully, like, it was at night, you know, it was dark.

• 43:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  The only time I've ever seen anything was when you were like astroprojecting at the end of your bed in Yosemite.

• 44:09Danielle LaRock?

  I should write in a trail tale. You should write in a trail tale. I wasn't with it.

• 44:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  It was, it was you or something looking like you?

• 44:18Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, it was my alter ego. But, or sad. I was sad or scared or something, though. It wasn't happy and nice and fun.

• 44:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  No, it wasn't. It was weird, though, because I remember what happened. We were staying, I know I've told this on the podcast before, but we were staying in Yosemite, we were staying outside of Yosemite, and we were staying in a yurt, and we both had different beds. And I was facing away from you in my bed, and I woke up in the middle of the night, and my very first thought was like, check on Danielle. Like, something is watching Danielle, like, for some reason. It wasn't like, fear for me. It was like specifically, I was thinking of you. And I rolled over, and it was really dark, and my eyes were like trying to adjust. And I was like, I remember,

• 45:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  like, really straining my eyes, because I saw that you were sitting up at the end of the bed, and I was gonna be like, "Hey, are you okay?" And I was really straining my eyes, and then I saw that you were still laying in your bed. And then you were also sitting up in your bed at the end of it. And I was like, and for whatever reason, me was like, "Oh, there's not a creepy person like staring at you in bed? So like, all is well?" And I just like turned back over and went to bed.

• 45:36Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. Which is, like, thanks for-

• 45:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's like, oh, it's just you.

• 45:40Danielle LaRock?

  It's just two of you.

• 45:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  Two of you. That's cool. I'm sleeping.

• 45:46Danielle LaRock?

  It's just, again, I find it so interesting, just kind of putting together what that was like, and also the timing and everything. That was, how many trips have we been on together? How many-

• 46:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  So many.

• 46:00Danielle LaRock?

  -times have we slept in the same room, tent, yurt, train, bus, whatever the hell, you know, like, we've just been together so much, traveling and everything, and that's the only time something like that has happened? And that was in the thick of me experiencing a bunch of other different, like, weird, paranormally extrasensory type of things, and also going through like, the hardest year of my life. And to, for you to see me, like, outside of my body, it's like, I felt like I wanted to be outside of my body. Like, it's just so strange, you know?

• 46:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  That it happened, that I experienced this during this time with you.

• 46:45Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. And like, the thought of you being like, check on Danielle, like, something's wrong. It's like, yeah, she wants out. She wants out of here.

• 46:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  You got out of there.

• 46:57Danielle LaRock?

  I got out of there for a second, and I don't recall it, but-

• 47:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  It was longer than a second. I was straining my eyes, looking at you for like, at least a full minute.

• 47:07Danielle LaRock?

  And you didn't say anything?

• 47:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  I don't, I don't know what it was. Like, in the middle of the night, I was looking, and at first I saw you, and then I was like, she's sitting, but like, your head was down. Like, it kind of looked like your head was down, like, yeah, like, maybe crying or something. And so I was like, straining, because I wasn't sure if it was like a trick of the light. And then I looked back at you, and I saw you like, very clearly laying in your bed, and like, your head on your pillow, asleep. So I looked back, and then I saw you again, and I was like, this has to be like a trick of my eyes right now. But then I was like, I see it. And then I was like, I don't know.

• 47:48Danielle LaRock?

  It's like, your body's right there.

• 47:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's so weird, because I feel like that's kind of my reaction to a lot of things when I experience things. I'm just like, okay, all is well. And it's just like, go back to bed.

• 48:02Danielle LaRock?

  It would take a lot, I think, for you to have a stronger reaction than that. I mean, even when I've seen you get, attempt to be robbed in France, and get chased down by a wild zebu in Madagascar, and both of those times, you reacted, of course, but you were not, you were just so calm, even like, when somebody was chasing you, trying to rip your phone out of your hands, aggressively yelling at you, and like, screaming at you that you were a bitch, and whatever. You were just like, weaving in and out of people, trying to get rid of her, like, super silently.

• 48:44Danielle LaRock?

  You're like, I gotta go. I'm out of here. You weren't like, help, help. You weren't freaking out. Same thing with the wild zebu incident. You were just like-

• 48:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm definitely a silent reactor.

• 48:56Danielle LaRock?

  Yes.

• 48:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  I've realized. And it's because, like, and I think it's in those moments when something is happening, that there's a lot going on in my mind, that I'm not, like, able to verbalize in the moment, because I'm, like, in survival mode of, like, I'm processing in my brain what needs to be done, that I'm not speaking anything, because I don't need to. Like, I'm just like, okay, this is what I have to do.

• 49:22Danielle LaRock?

  True.

• 49:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  And the, and the lady screaming at me, I was like, my first thoughts were just like, this woman is not in her right mind. There's nothing I can say right now to deescalate. She is angry at me. We accidentally made eye contact. My only option here is to, like, leave this situation. And she chased me down, but then she saw a car. Remember? She like, hopped in someone's taxi?

• 49:47Danielle LaRock?

  Yes.

• 49:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  After that, and they like, were trying to kick her out. And I was just like, she's not with me anymore.

• 49:52Danielle LaRock?

  A taxi that had another passenger. They just happened to be at the stoplight.

• 49:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, they just stopped, and she just, she like, ran and jumped in their car.

• 49:59Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. And we're like, we gotta get out of here. Yeah.

• 50:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  She's your problem? No.

• 50:04Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 50:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  I didn't feel calm in that situation, though, to be fair. I was like, I, that woman looked like she would have tried to like, actually physically touch me, like, either to grab my phone, or to hit me, or something like that. And so I didn't feel calm. I was just trying to get out of the situation.

• 50:21Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, yeah. No. And even with the zebu thing, and there's other instances, too, over the years, that I know you're not totally fine. But it's just outwardly, you're very calm, cool, and collected, whereas I have a different type of reaction, and it's usually not great.

• 50:45Danielle LaRock?

  Uh, anger, usually anger. Um, but okay, great. I think we're done.

• 50:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  Well, thank you, everyone for writing in. Yeah, those are, we're done with our regular ones. We do have two more Trail Tales for our subscribers. So if you're on Apple or if you're on Patreon, we do have two more. And mine is titled, Did I Accidentally Kill An Owl Or A Shapeshifter?

• 51:10Danielle LaRock?

  And mine is titled, Grand Canyon Grandpa Rescue.

• 51:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  All right. Well, we'll see you guys over there. In the meantime, enjoy the view.

• 51:20Danielle LaRock?

  But watch your back.

• 51:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  Bye.

• 51:23Danielle LaRock?

  Bye.

• 51:26Danielle LaRock?

  Thanks for joining us for another episode. We hope you learned something new and have another location to put on your list. If you want more NPAD content, make sure to follow along with our adventures on all socials at National Park After Dark. For more stories just like this one with the added bonus of exclusive content, you can join us on Patreon or Apple subscriptions. If you prefer to watch our episodes, head over to our YouTube channel. And if you're enjoying the show, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe on your favorite listening platform.

• 52:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to National Park After Dark. I'm Cassie.

• 52:08Danielle LaRock?

  I'm Danielle. Oh.

• 52:13Danielle LaRock?

  Sorry. Are we lagging? You can start.

• 52:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  I didn't say anything after I said, welcome back to National Park After Dark.

• 52:20Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, go ahead. Start over.

• 52:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to National Park After Dark. I'm Cassie.

• 52:24Danielle LaRock?

  I'm Danielle.

• 52:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  And we do this for a living.

• 52:33Danielle LaRock?

  Think your dad got haunted.

• 52:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay, I'll just get.

• 52:45Danielle LaRock?

  I thought you were gonna respond.

• 52:51Danielle LaRock?

  Sorry, I just like.

• 52:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  The bloopers for this one are gonna be wild.

• 52:58Danielle LaRock?

  Don't put bloopers. This is a crazy one. Um, he's like, okay, this entire fucking episode is bloopers because you guys haven't fucking spit it out.

• 53:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  Like, I have a 30-minute Trail Tale blooper.

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