Pod Insights My Therapist Ghosted Me MTGM EXTRA! "Handwritten letters..." About this episode Is this a thing? Are people (men) sending exes long, handwritten letters, soaked in cologne? Surely not?!
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Transcript 0:01 Speaker 00 This is a Global Player original podcast.
0:10 Speaker 01 Hello and welcome to My Therapist Ghosted Me with me, Vogue Williams and
0:14 Speaker 02 Joanne McNally.
0:19 Speaker 01 Joanne and I are talking about the Brits and I love her so much that she thinks that I would be in a category for the Brits.
0:25 Speaker 02 I don't, you don't, you don't know what, I wouldn't know what you'd be up to.
0:32 Speaker 01 I love you so much. You're like a proud stage mom. So what awards you up for at the Brits? Well, actually.
0:39 Speaker 02 Well, if you're not up for something, do people, can people just go?
0:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can go brands and invite you along. And I haven't been in, well, I've never actually been to the Brits. I've only once been to the after party. Remember when I told you that story where I humiliated myself in front of David Gandhi and I woke up on my house and all the beds were, yeah. So that was the last time I went. I know better for this time. So I get to go to the Brits and then I get to go to the Warner after party. And Amber's going to come with me because you were not around. I did invite you.
1:08 Speaker 02 Oh, thank you.
1:10 Speaker 01 Thank you.
1:11 Speaker 02 I don't, you know, I don't have to be invited to everything all the time. I'm, I'm happy when I see other people at events when I'm not there. Now, I will have a quick scan of the WhatsApp to see was I, was there any invitation extended?
1:21 Speaker 01 Oh, there is. Joanne, I wouldn't go to my own funeral without inviting you first. Okay.
1:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And she, and she, but she checks my tour, she checks my website first to make sure I can't go and then sends the invitation. By the way, category wise, I'm sorry, you had a, you had a Christmas number one with Good Girls, which could easily have been nominated for a Brit Award.
1:43 Speaker 01 I forgot about that masterpiece.
1:46 Speaker 02 The fact that isn't up for an if that is an absolute shock and I'm convinced there's a conspiracy theory going on.
1:53 Speaker 01 Where are you?
1:54 Speaker 02 My mum's spare bedroom.
1:56 Speaker 01 Oh, I've, we've never been to this room. Hello.
1:59 Speaker 02 Well, considering this, I was just, considering we don't record, we don't like video the bonus, I'm free to be my ugly, boffers bound self. That's why when the video came on and Vogue was putting on lip gloss, I had a, I had a small panic attack. What are you doing?
2:13 Speaker 01 What are you?
2:13 Speaker 02 Why are you putting that on?
2:14 Speaker 01 I was like, my lips are dry. I'm sorry.
2:17 Speaker 02 Well, this is the day to be ugly. Look at Jo.
2:21 Speaker 01 I had to film, I had to film two things this morning. That's why. Honestly, I could have, I could have predicted that from yesterday.
2:27 Speaker 02 I'm so obvious now. I'm obvious. You know yourself. I'm a hack.
2:30 Speaker 01 Listen, neither of you are ugly. You're usually now, when you've put a bit of effort in, I'll give you your eight and halves.
2:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, I mean.
2:38 Speaker 01 When there's no effort, you might slip slightly to a, slightly to a six. And I, I slipped to the six myself.
2:43 Speaker 02 I was right in standing bed the other day. I was like, I scrub up, but my God, do I scrub down very quickly.
2:50 Speaker 02 Within minutes.
2:52 Speaker 01 I was training with John this morning and I was like, oh God. And I actually looked at myself, I was like, can I go on like this? Like, I don't think I can even show my face to just him without a, a lick up concealer.
3:02 Speaker 02 Yeah. It's, well, I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's because I sleep facing down. All the, um,
3:11 Speaker 02 I was gonna say cortisol, wine rushes to my face. And then when I, when I wake up in the morning, I have to do a lot of, um, kind of lymphatic drain, deep puffing. Yeah.
3:22 Speaker 01 We need to get those ice baths for our faces. Did you get me one?
3:26 Speaker 02 No, but I.
3:27 Speaker 01 Go to America. You can get me one.
3:29 Speaker 02 An ice bath for your face? What are you talking about?
3:31 Speaker 01 The one with the, the one that you breathe through, through the Kylie Jenner.
3:34 Speaker 02 Oh God, no. No, no, no. That's Guantanamo Bay shit. I'm not doing that. It's just been, it looks like a punishment. Like they're trying to get information out of her.
3:42 Speaker 01 Well, I want one, so get me one when you're in the States.
3:45 Speaker 02 I had a message from a woman, um, who had listened to the pod and she was like, I have a story to tell you about the air and gas. I'm not sure if either of you got it, but. Yeah. So we're talking about, remember, we were talking about, um, women pulling it out of the walls.
3:55 Speaker 01 Did I not, did I not send you a picture of when I was down, I went to the bar by Vogue offices in Cork? And they had this huge thing of helium, a gas canister. And I was like, sorry? I was like, what's that for? And they were like, well, we do stuff with balloons and stuff. And I was like, balloons? And they were like, for decoration. And they just had it sitting under there. I was like, trying to snatch that for Joanne on the way out. And then I forgot about it. Sorry.
4:17 Speaker 02 Decoration? That's a shame. I was about to have them nominated for an IFTA for best employer in Ireland for giving balloons to their employees.
4:26 Speaker 01 Are you obsessed with the IFTTS because they're on today and you keep saying the IFTTS?
4:30 Speaker 02 They seem like the only award system I know in Ireland, really.
4:33 Speaker 01 Someone goes to me last night, I'm going to the IFTTS and I was like, the IFTTS? What's the IFTTS? And she goes, no, I said, IFTTS.
4:41 Speaker 02 Oh, IFTTS, yeah.
4:42 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, sorry. I was like, I know what the IFTTS are. I'm not thick. I was like, I just thought you were saying something new, like the IFTTS. I was like, I don't know what the IFTTS is.
4:52 Speaker 02 Duh, is Dublin for duh, Joe Nossis. So here she goes.
4:58 Speaker 02 Just listen to the MTGM, is it, well, actually, maybe I shouldn't say her name because I think this is illegal. Just listen to the MTGM episode where you discussed the recreational use of gas and air and had a message. My brother-in-law, who I think, I think had a liver problem, she's not sure, and couldn't drink, used to use gas and air, like wine. He was a non-medical doctor and would order it using his doctor title and then store it illegally in his cellar. Whenever the rest of his part took a vino, he would trundle down to the cellar and bring up his conister and breathing tube.
5:30 Speaker 02 He would also head out and about to a chess club with his conister in a bag.
5:35 Speaker 01 There's a lot of woods and walls here. What happened? Is he still going?
5:39 Speaker 02 Yeah, she doesn't say. There's no death here. I guess, I don't know, maybe there was a separation or divorce, predictably. Couldn't believe it the first time I witnessed it, but everyone else just acted like it was normal. Unfortunately, without a medical licence, you can't dispose of the conisters. So the MT's just built up in the cellar. God knows what they do if they ever move. A ridiculous, but highly amusing little situation. Hope you're well, etc.
6:01 Speaker 01 Send his address on, eh? Go on, we'll go down there for a little party. We'll go for a party.
6:05 Speaker 02 They're all empty.
6:07 Speaker 01 Well, he's obviously able to get his hands on loads.
6:10 Speaker 02 Like a tomb of good time.
6:12 Speaker 01 Joanne, if I have a fourth child, right?
6:16 Speaker 02 It will be me.
6:17 Speaker 01 I'm inviting you. I'm inviting you into the room. You can be my delivery partner, Spenny doesn't care. He will, he'll just be like, whatever, it's the fourth.
6:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:25 Speaker 01 You can be my birthing partner.
6:26 Speaker 02 I'd say it's boring watching the fourth one come out. First one, you're like, this is a buzz.
6:30 Speaker 01 It'll be nice to have someone new in the room as well, who would be like excited, you know?
6:35 Speaker 02 And you know, I'm very supportive. I'd be like, this is your British word. I'd be like, get it, girl.
6:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
6:42 Speaker 02 And I'll supply a P Diddy amount of lube and watch the thing shoot out and I'll catch it in one hand.
6:48 Speaker 02 Like a rugby ball, like P. D. No, no, no, like Bad Bunny at the, no.
6:53 Speaker 01 Did you see, did you, obviously, we're not going to get too into it because there's too many like horrendous things around of Prince, but Andrew, Mountbatten Windsor, being arrested and all the memes that have come out.
7:04 Speaker 02 So I knew that the Prince, they'd redacted the Prince, well, actually, sorry, they didn't, I mean, they'd taken Prince off his title, but I had no idea of Mountbatten of Windsor was, or what's his name, what's his new name?
7:17 Speaker 01 That was the, that was Prince Philip's name, wasn't it? Mountbatten. I think I know that from the Crown.
7:24 Speaker 03 I'm gonna say yes or maybe or possibly.
7:26 Speaker 02 I, I thought it was a different royal. I was like, oh, another one's in the, in the mix, but I didn't realise they'd just given him, they've renamed him.
7:35 Speaker 01 I feel like if I got arrested, I'd like, I'd really like to try and do the felon shot, you know what I mean? You want to have something decent out there. I don't want to be, I don't want to be Nick Nolte. Nick Nolte has the worst mugshot I have ever seen of anyone.
7:48 Speaker 02 Can I look?
7:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:48 Speaker 02 You want to be a hot felon, do you know what I mean? You want to get some brand deals out of it, which is what, if you're smart about it, you know. Did you hear Alison, did you hear Alison Hammond, did you hear what Alison Hammond said? Can't believe they did it on his birthday. Could they not have waited today?
8:06 Speaker 02 Poor Alison. She's like, he's probably got plans.
8:07 Speaker 01 Happy birthday, get in the car.
8:11 Speaker 02 He's probably got plans for himself.
8:12 Speaker 01 Good, good. I don't think he would have plans. There wouldn't be many people attending his party, I wouldn't think.
8:19 Speaker 01 Joe's just covering his face.
8:21 Speaker 03 So you'd probably fairly easily get a reservation at the Pizza Express in Woking.
8:25 Speaker 01 Well done, Joe, getting involved.
8:26 Speaker 03 Topical five years ago, that was.
8:28 Speaker 01 Well done, that's a nostalgia callback, I would call that, Joe, well done.
8:32 Speaker 02 Oh, I read this other thing, it was saying that, um, there's a strategy, so there's like, there's like four million pages in this document or whatever, that the strategy is to overload, because like, we know it's going to make sense of that, it's too much information in one go. We don't have the attention span. We're busy watching rugs get deep cleaned on TikTok. Then we have to go, like, we need people with way more experience than us to, like, bring it all down. But you're one lady, Victoria. I mean, talk about not reading the room.
8:59 Speaker 01 But she's.
9:01 Speaker 02 If you weren't on the list, you were just a loser, basically.
9:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:05 Speaker 02 Wow.
9:05 Speaker 01 God, sorry. I'm not on, I'm not on the paedophiles list. I'm absolutely heartbroken. You think it's cool to be on the list of a paedophile? Like, no thanks.
9:14 Speaker 02 And, Vogue, we love an invite. We love an invite. You know, we love an invite, but I think.
9:19 Speaker 01 Joanne was on the plane.
9:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, then I landed, saw what was going on. I said, bring me home, please.
9:27 Speaker 02 It was a quick in and out. You can check the roll.
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10:10 Speaker 01 Okay, we'll move on to emails. Jo's gonna have a nervous breakdown on this Friday morning. Okay. Hi, Joanne, Vogue and Jo. I have a very important matter to discuss with you and a potential topic of discussion for your podcast that I listen to religiously every week. Thank you very much, big fan. Thank you. You may or not be aware of this, but there is an epidemic of men writing extensive handwritten, stamped and posted letters post-breakup of a relationship situationship, particularly after no contact has been agreed and it needs to be addressed. What? Okay, let's get into it. Okay. My sister has just received a letter in the post from her ex-situationship, signed, sealed and saturated with his cologne.
10:50 Speaker 01 And as I sit here with her, my gay best friend and my boyfriend, I know, I'm sorry, we are all deeply perplexed and wondering why history continues to repeat itself and why men in particular continue to insist this is a good idea.
11:05 Speaker 01 Have you ever got a letter off anyone?
11:06 Speaker 02 Is that, is it finished?
11:08 Speaker 01 No, I'm just asking you. Okay, we have multiple friends and family, no, we have had multiple friends and family receive letters at various points in their lives. I even had a friend's ex message me for permission to send a small letter to her, which I gave him a large no. We think this phenomenon needs to be dissected and we all agree you're the only people for the job. Kind regards, Alan. Oh my God, Joanna, are we that pathetic that no one's ever written us a hundred letter?
11:34 Speaker 02 I'll be honest, when I hear men writing long form, it bangs of manifesto, which is never good.
11:41 Speaker 01 God.
11:42 Speaker 02 Men writing long form, there's a manifesto about. So firstly, again, coming back to my very toxic traits, if a situationship that I blocked sent me a written letter, I would be thrilled. Because I've won.
11:59 Speaker 02 I've won then, no?
12:00 Speaker 01 Even the ones that cheated on me, I'd be like, how sweet.
12:03 Speaker 02 He cracked and I won. Now, I know I'm part of the problem. That's how I would see it. I've no interest in boundaries. I only set boundaries to test people to break them. That's what my boundaries are for. The boundaries are there so that it makes it harder for you to contact me. But if you don't still try and contact me, there will be consequences.
12:19 Speaker 01 I don't, that's fair enough. I completely understand that. But I don't know anyone who's getting letters of this kind. I certainly have not received any letter of this kind. And I still have people blocked though, I have to say, and I'm not trying to be immature. I just think it's for the best. Certain people that I was with, I'm like just blocked for life. You know, I think, I think it's pathetic to block people during an argument, which I have done as well. But it's pathetic and I know it is. But if you're going to block someone for life, that's fine. Because that's just for life.
12:50 Speaker 02 Sometimes you can't help but having a very emotional reaction in a moment. I've unfollowed people, which I regret, I regret now. It's like, that didn't deserve an unfollow. But I, I went, I was, I went a ball into my own head and was like, you know yourself, if a glass of wine, you're like, fuck them and whatever. Anyway, not my finest moment. And now, now, I don't think they've noticed and, you know, keep saying follow back. Anyway, whatever. That's a totally different rant.
13:13 Speaker 01 No.
13:14 Speaker 02 I kind of need more information on the letter thing. What did the situationship say? Are they asking for forgiveness? Are they asking to get back together? Are they in a programme and they're just kind of apologising?
13:24 Speaker 01 I think it's forgiveness, but I just, I find it really kind of.
13:29 Speaker 02 Do you want me to forgive you so we can get back together? Do you know what is, what is, we need more information, we need an update on this because I think it's-
13:37 Speaker 01 I think it's the Olympic fellow, but in letter form. I think it's really trying your hardest to get back with somebody, but it's in letter form. But we, I don't know how we're going to help you with this because we don't get any of these letters. I don't know anyone who's gotten any. Do you know anyone?
13:51 Speaker 02 Sorry Vogue, I, I, I will correct you there. Me and you, when have we ever needed to have gone through an experience to have a wildly ill, ill-informed opinion on it? We don't need to have experienced a letter.
14:05 Speaker 01 I just feel really sad to be honest. Like I want a letter and you don't want the letter.
14:10 Speaker 02 You're married for kids, you're grand. You're out of the game.
14:12 Speaker 01 It doesn't matter. Even, even when I'm dead, I don't care. I still want a letter, even when I'm dead.
14:17 Speaker 02 You're not a priority for letters anymore. Or look, maybe you're getting 10 letters a week and Spencer's setting fires them out of jealousy.
14:24 Speaker 01 You're actually, you are correct.
14:26 Speaker 02 Yes.
14:26 Speaker 01 You're right.
14:27 Speaker 03 Probably, yeah, actually.
14:28 Speaker 02 There you go. Yeah.
14:29 Speaker 03 That'll be, that'll be it.
14:30 Speaker 02 Similar to Wuthering Heights.
14:32 Speaker 01 I will take those letters and my Brit awards. Thank you, Joanne.
14:35 Speaker 02 There you go. Similar to Wuthering Heights when her ward sets fire to all the letters from Heathcliff. Um, there, it's probably a similar vibe. I love the idea of forgiveness after time. I think there is a lot of pain and hurt in relationships, a lot of emotion, a lot of anger, resentment. People aren't necessarily thinking straight. And then I think there's something lovely after a prolonged period of time for two people or one and a half.
15:02 Speaker 01 Sorry.
15:04 Speaker 02 What was that?
15:05 Speaker 01 Amber's trying to sneak by us and she fell, fell up the stairs and dropped her coffee.
15:12 Speaker 02 Oh no.
15:15 Speaker 02 She's getting ready to steal the show at the BAFTAs. That's what she's doing. She's going to fake a fall.
15:20 Speaker 01 The Brits. I'm, I'm going to the BAFTAs this weekend. I'm going to the BAFTAs this weekend. I go to the BAFTAs. I don't know who I think I am. I'm, listen, I also invited you to the.
15:33 Speaker 02 All right, look, all right, Macaulay Culkin.
15:37 Speaker 01 Oh, I'm only lurking. I'm lurking. I shouldn't be on this one. This one's for like the movie stars and stuff. So like, I am a complete nobody. I'm a lurking loser.
15:45 Speaker 02 You'll be handing out chuppa chups in the ladies toilets. But still, you're in. That's the main thing.
15:50 Speaker 01 Gladly, I would do that. I'll be going around with my, I'll be vlogging it like a complete, listen, I already know my place at those Brits. I know I'm already a loser. So it makes no difference if I have my vlogging.
16:01 Speaker 02 Sorry, can I just say, you better vlog this Paddy's Day Parade marshal thing and you better do what your man France was. Do you know that train guy, Joe?
16:10 Speaker 03 Francis Bourgeois.
16:11 Speaker 02 Francis Bourgeois. Have you seen the camera angle that he does? I'm still, I think he is a grifter. Anyway, that's my personal opinion. I don't for a second, I think he is playing up the, the very nerdy train guy. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is, he reverses his head camera onto himself. And if you do not do that for us folk, in the, in the car on St Patrick's Day in your popemobile, doing your marshalling, I'll be absolutely fuming.
16:36 Speaker 03 That's a request.
16:36 Speaker 02 Come on. You need a back to front camera head torch. And you need to look insane. There's no other way to do this.
16:44 Speaker 01 Okay, fine. I will. Do you know what? I might dress up as a leprechaun as well. Would that offend people? Probably.
16:49 Speaker 03 I'd say probably.
16:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, it would.
16:52 Speaker 01 Sorry, they had me in a picture with a leprechaun. Who was that? I don't, I don't know what he was.
16:56 Speaker 02 That was me. I keep, I keep telling you, that was me.
17:01 Speaker 02 I was saying, I think there's something really lovely and really sweet in years after the fact, when everyone's calmed down and the rage has passed and the hurt has passed, to reach out in a way with a calm, kind letter, respecting the time spent together and saying, enjoy, enjoy your life. I hope you're, I hope you're happy. I think there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's really nice.
17:26 Speaker 01 I actually think that you're like, do you know what? Because I genuinely, like, I, I, I don't, I actually genuinely have no good just against people that I used to be with. I don't have any hatred for them. No, I don't. I don't have any hatred for them. And even the people that cheated on me, I'm like, oh, whatever. But I do think it would be a nice thing to do to say, do you know what? Sorry about that. I was a bit of a dickhead and I shouldn't have done that to you. And like, it actually would, even though like, I don't need it, it would actually be a mature, nice thing to do.
17:55 Speaker 02 We are open.
17:56 Speaker 03 Doesn't need the cologne on it though.
17:58 Speaker 01 No, and then I would send.
17:59 Speaker 02 That might have been an accident.
18:00 Speaker 01 Return address Anthrax.
18:02 Speaker 02 That might have been.
18:05 Speaker 02 Okay. Romance is dead in the Williams household.
18:11 Speaker 02 I think there's some, and a letter is particularly considered. An email feels a little, like an email's fine, but maybe they were blocked on the email. I think this is really nice. I, I'm in support. But then again, I think Wuthering Heights is a romantic story. So look, look, I'm, I, I thrive on toxicity and I thrive on people breaking boundaries for one last hurrah. But I do think the letters is cute and sweet and I'm in support.
18:35 Speaker 02 And, and Vogue and I are open to receiving handwritten mail.
18:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, and we would actually appreciate it if you would like to. Anyone who has wronged us in any way, shape or form, just write Vogue Williams, Hoth, he can send you answers here too. And I will pass them on.
18:49 Speaker 02 No, I'll, I'll give Pat's address just in case they're crazy. They'll assault Pat and I'll be fine. I won't give my, I'll give Pat's address. It's safer for me. Yeah.
18:58 Speaker 01 Perfect.
18:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:05 Speaker 02 Vogue, you and I both decided we're going to have a good chat about the America's Next Top Model scandal in the main.
19:11 Speaker 01 Oh, God.
19:12 Speaker 02 When I have mascara on.
19:14 Speaker 01 I can't, yeah, I know. I can't record with you if you're not having mascara on. It's not fair to anybody involved. Everyone, thanks for listening and we will see you on Friday with the main.
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