MTGM EXTRA! "He broke up with me 2 weeks before our holiday together?!"

So, you've seen Joanne in the first couple of episodes of Celebrity Traitors, right? If you've not watched the first two, SPOILERS WITHIN!! Beyond all that, there's an email from a listener who was dropped like a stone, AFTER meeting the mother and AFTER booking a holiday!!! My Therapist Ghosted Me is a Global Production. Tickets for Joanne's tour Pinotphile are now LIVE: www.joannemcnally.com http://www.joannemcnally.com/ If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com http://www.mytherapistghostedme.com/ This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

• 0:02Speaker 00

  This is a Global Production.

• 0:04Speaker 01

  Because he said in episode one, it's like, well, we can just think of other people being traitors, but we don't actually know. At least this fellow's said something.

• 0:11Speaker 02

  Vogue, you have not been looked in the eye by Richard E. Grant and told that he's a faithful. You haven't. You haven't, Vogue. I'm sorry, you haven't.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  Just noticed that the postpartum hair loss is currently underway. I'm gonna have to get the eyeshadow back out. God. Women, we have enough to contend with.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  I don't know what my excuse is. Have I had a baby I'm not aware of? And I wouldn't bloody mind, but in Traitors, I have a grey root coming through and I'm absolutely fuming about it. Don't know how I miss that. I think it's the light from the, in the interview room, it's like coming down and there's like, I work very hard to not have my grey exposed. Grey hair.

• 1:04Speaker 00

  Tell me truthfully, did you send a text to somebody at the BBC asking if it could be removed in post at this point?

• 1:10Speaker 02

  I didn't think of it, but do you think that they could do that now? Think they could go through all the episodes now?

• 1:15Speaker 00

  At the cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds, they could.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  I'd give it a go. Why not? But I have to say, I sent you a message. I don't, I personally don't think it's a grey root.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  You can't put a price on pride.

• 1:26Speaker 00

  It's just the lighting, I think.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  I'd start a GoFundMe. I'd ask the GoToGirls to help. I'd sell off the garden.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  I'm fuming.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Loads of people don't pay their TV licence. And if they did, Joanne, you wouldn't be in this predicament. Huh? That's where the money would go. Joanne's roots.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Finally, it's something to believe in, something, I finally have a belief system. It's the TV licence. How do people have the balls not to pay it? Like, I get one letter going, here, we're gonna knock around and I'm, I'm straight on to the laptop. Well, I'm straight on to Lauren, it's straight on to the laptop. So how, how do people have the balls to just balls it out? Like, do they not knock around to the house and stuff?

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you don't have to answer the door and then you don't have to let them in. Like, I'm one of those people that will always pay it because I'm, I'm a wimp. In older years, yeah, I am. And I pay it personally, by the way.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  As opposed to...

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Because I sent mine to Lauren.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  Oh, to Lauren, yeah, yeah.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  As opposed to Lauren.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  You're, you're not mentally ill the way I am, though.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  No, I'm not, but I would like to, I'd like to remove some of the stuff from my lists. Like, I said to Sven, I was like, do you like that toilet roll now? When was the last time you bought a toilet roll? And he was like, what do you mean? I was like, well, look in the fridge, all that stuff in there. Who bought that? It wasn't you.

• 2:49Speaker 00

  Marriage conversations.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. It's like, you know, we all know the woman's loud. We all know. And I don't even have anyone to give out to. I have to do it all myself, for myself.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I don't think I'd mind as much as if I was doing it for myself, just myself. And like, at least then I'd be like, fair play to you, Vogue. Vogue, do you know what? Good job for remembering that. We did need more porridge. You have done a good job, but no one says it to me. And I have to do it for everybody.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Well, I find it incredibly time consuming running a home for myself. I really do. There's so much to be done. And I was only saying the other day, I don't...

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Who's your energy supplier?

• 3:32Speaker 02

  EDF. I was saying the other day, I don't even know why I bother buying a, all I do is lie in bed and work. I don't know why I have a kitchen. I don't know why I have a sitting room. It was a waste of money, to be honest. No one uses those rooms. I could have just bought a, I just could have bought a bedsit.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Or a bed on the side of the road.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  You could have lived in a hotel.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Could have lived in a hotel. And my mum's on to Lauren now.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Together to do something for her?

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Pat's like, I was talking to Lauren today. It's like, what, so Lauren's now, she, Pat's now her client also, but like via me.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  Pat has her doing bits now as well. They got on, they get on, it's fine.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Do you get the bill for Pat? Fair enough. She's your mum. You have to do that.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I imagine I have to chip it.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Lauren, Lauren, this is a bit spicy.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  I imagine I have to chip it. My pensioner mother.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Shall we talk about the Traitors just for a second?

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  I think it's the best series yet. Do you have even watched it? I'm not happy about it being on twice a week. It used to be on three times a week. I don't know why they've done this now. It's not fair.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  By the time this comes out, the roundtable, the first roundtable will be, will be done. Am I correct, Jo?

• 4:49Speaker 00

  No, you'll not. This will come out on Wednesday, so there's no more episodes now between now and this coming out.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Oh, fine. Okay, great.

• 4:55Speaker 00

  It's on Thursday and Friday, isn't it? So this is all up to date now.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Thank you. Fine. So I can't say anything, but I will say...

• 5:04Speaker 01

  We all know, come on.

• 5:05Speaker 00

  Oh, she, hang on, she will say, she will say. What will she say?

• 5:08Speaker 02

  That I've very clearly taken the wrong route.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  I mean, we know Rich is a traitor and I, and I, and we know that I'm defending him to the hilt. So that's, that's, that's out there. Like, that's been aired. And when I say I have never believed something more than he was a faithful, it was wild.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  He is the most unbelievable man.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  I believe all their lies. I believe all their lies. They look me in the eye and I believe their lies. And then I, I go out and ride at dawn for them. And I make a show of myself.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Joanne, I think it's very sweet, but like, it could not be more obvious that he's a traitor because you've got nothing else to go on. If he'd have said this in like episode three or something as a joke, but because he said in episode one, it's like, well, we can just think of other people being traitors, but we don't actually know. At least this fellow's said something.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  Vogue, you have not been looked in the eye by Richard E. Grant and told that he's a faithful. You haven't. You haven't, Vogue. I'm sorry, you haven't.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  No, sorry, I didn't know you were gonna finish the sentence.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  You don't know that experience. You don't know how convincing he is. Turns out he's a really good actor. And turns out I am the most gullible human alive and I'm, I'm a male apologist.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Can I guess? Can I guess who's gonna go out? I think it's him. I think he's gonna go. He has to go.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  I think he's got to go and he surely, he's, he's...

• 6:44Speaker 01

  If he survives...

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Sorry, what happened in the last, because I obviously can't watch it because I hate myself, but what happened in the last episode?

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Oh, everyone's saying, everyone's, everyone's asking Richard. I think you, I think you asked Leanne if she was a traitor.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  I'm like a, I'm like a dog with a bone about Leanne being a traitor.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Joanne's talking about her being a traitor the whole time. Leanne's just trying to go about her, her faithful business and Joanne's like,

• 7:07Speaker 02

  You, you little bitch. You see, it's, it's all easy when you've all the information. When you're in there, your nervous system is on fire. On fire. And I have an overactive nervous system at the best of times.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  God, it looks like so much fun, though.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Have we held up our little slates with the names on it yet?

• 7:26Speaker 01

  No, you haven't, you haven't held up the slates. It was actually pretty annoying that it just ended like that.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that's, that's quite something. Wait until you see what happens there.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  I hope it's always on at 8pm, by the way. That's my favourite.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  It's on in, um, Canada.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  It's such a good show.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Someone messaged me and she was like, oh, Traitors is number one show in Canada. And I was like, well, that's handy. Maybe buy a bloody ticket.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Well, maybe if, maybe if you reminded people you were gonna be there.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  I was like, is there any chance this is on in Las Vegas?

• 8:00Speaker 02

  It's the only, it's the only place. I really need the push at this stage. Sorry, Vancouver, Toronto, I am on tour. I'm going back, by the time this airs, I'll be back in America, Vogue. How do you feel about that? Are you sad?

• 8:13Speaker 01

  When you go back tomorrow, I am a bit sad.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Tomorrow?

• 8:16Speaker 01

  I'm sad.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Tomorrow.

• 8:18Speaker 00

  This weekend, you begin your Las Vegas residency.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  I do, I do. I begin my Las Vegas residency.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's gonna be a very much, a very, it's, it's, um, it's gonna be intimate.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  It'll be a lovely show.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  The one good thing is, Vogue, guess what I get to go and see again in Las Vegas?

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Who?

• 8:42Speaker 02

  My favourite play.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Magic Mike.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Oh. Are you gonna go there on your own? Are you going on your own?

• 8:53Speaker 02

  I got everything on my own.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  I have a friend for you in Vegas. You're not taking me up on my friend offers.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I'll take him. Was it a boy?

• 9:01Speaker 01

  It's a boy. He'd love to go.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Is he gay?

• 9:03Speaker 01

  He's not gay.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  Hmm. You don't really hang around with straights.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  He doesn't feel like, no, he does feel straight. He does. I can't deny it. If you see him, you'll say, straightie. So I'm not gonna lie.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  I have no other options. I hope he doesn't listen to this.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  I'll meet him as a pure act of desperation.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, nobody else is around. Absolutely no one. So you'll meet him. Yeah, great. Perfect. I'll take him right now.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Rock bottom. I'll meet him.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  I met him. I have met him so many times. He went to school, my little brother. I have met him so many times. And a few years ago, I hadn't seen him in a couple of years now, and I, and I introduced myself to him. You know, when that happens and you're like...

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Listen, yeah, meet your sister.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  God, it's desperate. And there's nothing you can do to take it back. Nothing.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  I said, meet your sister, but imagine I was like, it's me, I'm your sister. And you're like, what? Imagine you forgot. Did I tell you the time I knocked over the house, Jo, and one of the children, I can't remember which one, came out and he was like, Amber!

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Otto.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  It was Otto. And I was, no, it's Joanne. And the look of disappointment on his face. My God.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  I might as well have vomited on the mat.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  That's because Amber just comes over.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  Amber!

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Amber gives them anything they want.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  I give them anything they want.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Otto went home for five minutes, right? He got dropped off from football and I was picking him up to take him somewhere else. And Amber was in the house and I was like, just look after him for five minutes for me, so he doesn't have to come the whole way to me. And, and it was all going really well. And then he started like, he starts bullying people, so he started throwing things out of her bag. And she was like, get, get out of my room. So he told her to F off. And anyway, then she put him on the naughty step because he said that, because he's not supposed to be saying that. So he's sitting on the naughty step and I came home and I was like, Otto, Amber, tell me what she said. Do you know what? You are not having an ice cream today. I don't want an ice cream. And I was like, well, you're not getting any TV tonight. There's, there's no, I don't want to watch TV. And I was like, oh my God, there's no winning with this child. He has won fair and square.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  He's been, Spencer has bred this child for Guantanamo Bay. Like, he should, he could be a spy. He'll never crack.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  I'm always like to Jane, Sven, his mum, I'm like, it's the Matthews.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  He'll end up working for Putin.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  He'll join Pussy Riot and become a spy.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  That's the baby. Look at the baby. Forgot about him.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  I know.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Someone left a comment. Someone left a comment on a, on a MyLamb's pod and they were like, "A mother should not be out with her baby at all from a month old, blah, blah, blah", like going on this rant about there's a maternity law. I was like, there's no maternity law. And then I was like, hang on a second. I'm quite clearly in my bedroom with the baby as well. Anyway, I told her I agreed with her and that women should stay at home for at least one to two years with the baby after giving birth.

• 12:02Speaker 00

  Under the bed.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Comment after that. Yeah, so she deleted the comment.

• 12:06Speaker 00

  You should be, you should be under the bed.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  I wonder what she mailed Spencer.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Listen, it's, we all know, no one police's, no one police's new mother is better than women. Yeah. Sorry, before we get into the email, I have a recommendation, but actually Vogue, it was your recommendation. You recommended to me and then I ate the recommendation. I'm recommending it back. I'm regurgitating the recommendation.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Okay, go on. I'm interested to know which one it was.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  Eating analogy didn't work there. The eating analogy didn't work there.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  You're ratifying it. It means it's now an agreed upon unanimous recommendation.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  I'm recommending the recommendation back.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  It's a double rec.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Well, that's good. So we know it's good.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Have you, you said you were going to watch it. You didn't say if you did in the end. The Haunting of Mansion Bly Hill. Joe, I'm gonna need you to fact check that.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Oh, The Haunting of Hill House?

• 13:00Speaker 02

  No, not Hill House. That was the first one. This is the second one. Same maker.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  The Haunting of Bly Manor from 2020.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. With the water, the woman in the water.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  No spoilers. I've still two episodes left.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  You have to start with The Haunting of Hill House though.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  You have to start with The Haunting of Hill House and then go into The Haunting of Bly Manor.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I started watching that one on Disney that my brother told me to watch, the scary one that's won Emmys, but like, I haven't loved it yet.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Can we get a name?

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Joe, can you get the scary programme? Widows Bay, Widows Bay.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Can you Google?

• 13:39Speaker 02

  I love it. We just come with like half baked ideas and then Joe has to finish our sentences and name everything that we're thinking.

• 13:45Speaker 00

  That has 98% on Rotten Tomatoes.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  I know, but I've only watched, I've only watched the first one so far, but my brother said it's meant to be amazing. I'm hoping it gets better for me, but I thought it was gonna be really scary. It hasn't been really scary yet.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  I can't get into my Disney sadly. I locked myself out and now I've just given up. But tell me how it goes.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Text Lauren, Lauren, can I get into Disney again, please? Okay. "Hi ladies, I need your help because I genuinely cannot work out if I'm being completely unreasonable or if men are just running some sort of secret psychological experiment on us. I'm 28 and I've spent my twenties navigating London's dating market and earlier this year, oh, I know, I got back together with a man I had previously dated. We've all done that."

• 14:31Speaker 02

  At desperation, yeah.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  No, I know. And you're like, no, it worked this time. He'd spent months trying to get me back. So eventually I thought, okay, fine. Apparently we were meant to be. The universe keeps sending me this man over and over again and it's hard out there in these streets. I will give him another chance.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  It's not the universe. It's not, it's not the universe. It's your algorithm, it's your algorithm.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  It's kinda like when he just, you just, listen, I've done it so many times, even with relationships, they're all goodbye. I'm like, we get back together. He broke up, we get back together anyway. Okay, so we got back together and started going out and honestly, it was lovely. We were seeing each other all the time, completely obsessed with each other. I had all our stupid jokes, making future plans and becoming more involved in each other's lives. There you go. We also had our first proper holiday together coming up. Oh, we, yeah, flights, accommodation, everything booked and paid for. I was already mentally packing my suitcase and planning what outfits I was going to wear.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  She's like me. She mentally packs. She mentally packs rather than physically packs. I understand. She's one of me. Yeah, I'm here. Yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  It's gonna be bad. A couple of weeks before our holiday and only two weeks after he went as far as to introduce me to his mother, he dumped me.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  I don't feel the spark anymore. To make things worse, a few days before he broke up with me, he actually encouraged me to listen to a podcast episode about tips for your first holiday as a couple.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  It's a bit weird.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  What happened? Where did the spark go? And it's not even like there was some huge fight or betrayal, no cheating that I know of. Is this a common thing? I'm genuinely fascinated and horrified by the concept that somebody can apparently feel completely happy with you, be making plans with you, introducing you to their mother and discussing your upcoming holiday, and then suddenly their brain goes, no, thanks. Can someone's feelings change that quickly? Is the spark actually a real thing or can it disappear overnight? Ooh, any advice on how not to take this personally? I mean, he just sounds, that is odd. As far as odd goes with men, that's weird. Like you're, you're giving your signs by introducing you

• 16:44Speaker 01

  to her, your mother, you're booking a two week holiday that you've paid for, you're sending her the podcast. That's just weird.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  There's women out there pregnant with their second child and their husband is leaving them. Do you know what I mean? Like, sadly, we cannot control how other people feel about us and, you know, the, the, the tax of love and relationships is loss. And sometimes people just, they're just not into it anymore. Like, and there's nothing you can do and it's awful and you feel shit and you just have to heal and move on to the next thing. It's awful.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  I know, but that's a real head fuck.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Oh God, yeah. But I mean, it's all a head fuck. Like, we've all been broken up with people and like, or do you know what's worse? It's actually worse, I think, when at least he had the balls to just call it now. It's worse when you're with someone and you're like, is everything okay? And they're like, yeah, everything's fine. You're like, are you sure? Because it doesn't feel like it is. And then they spend a year just basically falling out of love with you in front of you, but they don't say it. And you go insane and you're like gaslit off your tits. Like, I don't know, like, we've all been ended. We've all been dumped. Although Vogue, I think you said to me once that you've never been dumped.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  I was ghosted once. I haven't had that many relationships though to be dumped in. Do you know what I mean?

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Well, I can speak, I can speak very well on this topic. And when someone, when someone's out, they're out and there's nothing you can do about it. And you have to just mark it off to the love gods and be like, this is just the tax of being in the dating scene and meeting people. And you'll do, you'll probably do it to someone else in three years' time. It just is what it is. Have you seen the, the girl who released the song about her boyfriend breaking up with her and the song went completely viral? And if you, do you know this, do you know this story?

• 18:45Speaker 01

  No.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  Now, Joe, you're gonna have your work cut out for you there, but I wouldn't, would you fact check that for me there? I didn't get the name of it. Basically, she was, she was an American comedian. She was in an improv group. She was going out with this guy, the love of her life. And he's, they were living in New York and then he was like, I wanna move back to Texas and be closer to my dad. This is all in the song. So she sells up her things, uses all her savings to move to Texas. Yeah. Gets to Texas having like, completely thrown her life up in the air. And he goes on a family holiday and comes back and hands her a letter saying, we're not compatible.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  I mean, there's just, but I do, like, I'd have to say to that fella in the email, I'd have to say, dude, what the hell? Like, we were meant to go on a holiday. Like, what has happened?

• 19:34Speaker 02

  I know. I know. But they're like, I know. And of course, and you can ask those questions, but there's, it just, I hate to say, I hope I don't sound dismissive, but like, it, you can't control how, you can't control other people. You can't control their feelings. You just, it happens a million times a day. People fall in and out of relationships all the time.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  I would still ask though, because that would drive me up the walls not to know, because like I would just, I just have to know. Like, how, how have we gone from me meeting your mom to, to then booking a holiday to then you just dumping me?

• 20:09Speaker 00

  Sorry, was this a viral on TikTok thing or was it actually a song?

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Oh no, it's a TikTok thing.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  Right. Then it was Gillian Lavin, who's called Sprightly on TikTok.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Let's have a look, let's have a look.

• 20:22Speaker 00

  In Los Angeles, she moved to Texas with her boyfriend.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's her.

• 20:26Speaker 00

  Wanted to be closer to his dad.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Oh God.

• 20:29Speaker 00

  And he handed her a handwritten note on the, on the couch declaring that they're incompatible.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Here's, here's the difference between men and women. There is no way, if I got a man to move to Texas with me because I wanted to move home and he did all that, I'd be like, right, I'm really unhappy, but I'll just have to stay with him forever.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  I know. Exactly. Exactly. You'd be like, I can't do anything. He's moved to Texas. You'd be showing off your engagement ring in a month.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  We have to live together forever.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  But like, I have friends and I'm always very careful of speaking about people I know because I never, you know, it's not fair to be dragging people into the podcast, but like, this, this isn't identifiable, but like, a friend of mine had, had a baby the way you have a baby, Vogue, like a brand new one, and couldn't, her husband was being really weird. And she was like, what's going on? He's like, nothing, nothing. I'm just depressed, blah, blah, blah. And sure, of course, he was having an affair with someone at work. Like, like, nothing makes sense in loveland. Nothing makes sense. People are cowards. Like, no one wants to have the conversations and they just pull the cord when they've kind of reached their limit in some way. I know, it's awful. But like I

• 21:43Speaker 02

  say, I, I, better, better to have loved and lost, honestly, than never to have loved. I'm not pretty tired of it now.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, sometimes I wish I hadn't loved some of the times. Not retired.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  I know. Some of the times you're like, mm, could have done what they thought when they were to be honest with us. I know. It's shit. But like I say, there's no sense to these things. There's no sense to feelings. There isn't.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  God, I hope you feel okay though. That's terrible.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  I fell out of love with a guy because he wore tight jeans once. I know, Joe. I'm saying, and that's why I'm, I'm giving myself as an example.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  I fall in love with guys despite things. Like, Spenny used to have, no, I'm not actually gonna do that. I always, I always like Spenny. I'm not doing it.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  He's great.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  I love him. That's fair. We all love him. We love him. There's no sense to these things, sadly.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  You know, you've just got to listen to a load of Lizzo and lick your wounds for a bit. But like, do you know what as well, I will say, he obviously has, he is, what would you call it?

• 22:56Speaker 02

  One of those attachment styles. He is the one that goes away. Avoidant, exactly. He's avoidant. And so he will just, he will repeat these patterns, you know what I mean? And you're, and you're young, you'll be fine, you know? Look at me, I'm the problem. I'm, I'm the one with actual problems.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  Get a bit of perspective.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, get a bit of perspective, please, emailer.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Throwing your love in my face.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Why don't you, why don't the two of you go on holidays together if the holiday's still there?

• 23:28Speaker 02

  I'll go.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  I'll go.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Perfect.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Hopefully it's Egypt.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  That's it, Joanne. You go pack, will you?

• 23:35Speaker 02

  I know, I couldn't be worse.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  I do have to, yeah. I'm going for six weeks. Do you know, do you know what I'm gonna put at the door?

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Your pod equipment?

• 23:45Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't think of that. I was gonna say my makeup bag.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  No, my pod equipment.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  Joanne, we're gonna finish this podcast now, and I want all of your podcast-

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Pod equipment, I promise.

• 23:56Speaker 00

  Right now.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  I promise.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  Send me a photo of it in the case. Send me a picture of the case with your ears.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, I really hope she doesn't. It's really, it's much better for me when she forgets it.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  No.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  It is.

• 24:07Speaker 00

  All cables, all headphones.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  I agree, Vogue.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  Laptop, the modem thing.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  This is just Jo trying to control women. You're just trying to control women.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  Yes, this is a me problem. You're right.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  I wouldn't personally, because I might think that that's something like explosively.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  That could be a way of getting sales.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  If I get arrested in one of the airports.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Enjoy Denver, we'll miss you.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  If you see me in the, if you see me in the Las Vegas Gazette.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Being arrested on suspicion of hijacking with my pod equipment, you'll know why.