MTGM EXTRA! "Andrew Tate arrested in his little dancing shoes."

Andrew Tate is not a popular man in these parts... For support following his arrest in Miami, please look elsewhere. Naturally, Vogue & Joanne have thoughts, so let's have them. Plus, an email from a listener who sounds like she's got it all worked out, but needs a nudge in the right direction... My Therapist Ghosted Me is a Global Production. Tickets for Joanne's tour Pinotphile are now LIVE: www.joannemcnally.com http://www.joannemcnally.com/ If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com http://www.mytherapistghostedme.com/ This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

• 0:02Speaker 00

  They're all posing in front of cars, they're down and all, it's all just such pretense. So then if they build something real, like a bicep or an ab, they have to display it. So they wear these skin tight clothes, like your man, he looks like Shirley Bassey.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  A little tiny pair of dancing shoes and he looks completely ridiculous.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  I'm conscious of making him like a joke because I think he's actually way more dangerous than that.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  It just makes me so sad that we're still there in the world that somebody like that would be, like you'd be impressed by somebody like that.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Hello and welcome to my therapist ghosted me with Vijay Williams, Joan McNally, Joe Atwell and Amber's heart.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  My sister's in the house.

• 0:55Speaker 00

  She's on display.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  She's only flashing her crotch, it's like it's only from belly button down is what you'll see.

• 1:04Speaker 00

  Presenting herself to us and it's Joe, I feel sorry for.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  If this video gets taken down from YouTube, we know why.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  It's Joe I feel sorry for, his innocent little eyes.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  I know, he's not ready for it, we are. I am coming to you live on BAFA, on BAFA and I have one thing, first of all, I was down at breakfast there shortly, for a short while, because anyway, for reasons beyond, beyond things I could help. But anyway, I was walking by this woman and I smiled because she was reading a book that I'd loved, that I'd read. Same thing happened yesterday. So if you're going on your holidays, two, well, three books, I'll have to put in Big Mouth, my own book, because it would seem strange not to, but I didn't actually see anyone reading that, but still. The other two books, The Wedding People and Bittersweet, they're the two that I've seen people reading and I'm like, oh, you know when you get a sting of, oh, I'm jealous you're reading that.

• 2:01Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 2:02Speaker 01

  If anyone is looking for a good holiday read, yeah, really, really good.

• 2:05Speaker 00

  I am listening to, or reading with my ears, as I like to call it, Yesteryear.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I read that.

• 2:13Speaker 00

  Did you read it? What did you think?

• 2:15Speaker 01

  I thought I would like it more than I did. It was so strange towards the end that I was like, my head was kind of like, I don't get it. It just, it kind of popped off. What do you think?

• 2:29Speaker 00

  Someone said to me, someone messaged me saying the end was so weird. I'm, I have seven hours left and I'm, I am going to finish it. But I'm not like, I'm going to finish it. And that means it's enjoyable enough that I'm going to finish it. Do you know what I mean? Because some books I'm just like, oh no, fuck that. But, but someone messaged me saying the end got so weird. She was like, I felt like I was on Fentonish because I didn't know what was going on. So I'm gonna keep going. I'm told, I'm told it's worth finishing. I'm not sure what I was expecting from it. But I am going to finish it for sure. And I think it's the talk of the town. Do you know what I mean? When something's the talk of the town, you got to talk with the town. If you want to, if you want to talk with the town, you got to talk the town talk. So I'm talking the town talk.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  John, if you want to be, if you want to be a towns person, you've got to get involved and get in.

• 3:15Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean?

• 3:15Speaker 01

  The talk of the town.

• 3:16Speaker 00

  You know?

• 3:17Speaker 01

  And I was the same, I was, I was the same as you. I feel like I got to a point where I was like, no, actually I am going to finish it. I'm not. Because it started getting a bit weird and I was like, I don't really get this. And then I was like, no, no, no, just keep going. You don't have that long left. And actually I did, I enjoyed it. I didn't enjoy it as much as the other two books I just mentioned previously. But, but it's read, it's def, it's very, very readable.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  Speaking of talking of the town, of the town talk, I went to see the ta, the talk of the theater town, fifteen thirty six.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  With my new theatre buddy Rosie Ramsey in London.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  I would like to be a theatre buddy, please and thank you.

• 3:54Speaker 00

  But you weren't here. You're in your Hollypops.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Fine. You're away with that one. I'll let you away with that one.

• 4:00Speaker 00

  When you're back, you can absolutely be part of the theatre buddy crew, 100%.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Every time you go to the theatre, don't you just feel like, you're like, I'm gonna go, I have to go, I'm gonna go, every couple of weeks, I'm gonna go to the theatre. It's the best thing in the world.

• 4:13Speaker 00

  Well, it's no, not always. Sometimes I'm like, wow, that's two hours of my life. I'm never gonna get back. Wicked. I am looking at you.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Still watch the movie.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  I love the movie. Flew by 10 minutes, in and out, as we know. So I went to see this play called 1536, and something interesting has just happened, because I'm always calling it 1832, but it's 1536, right? And it was the talk of the town. Everyone's talking about it. And I went, and to say it didn't disappoint. Do you know those sometimes things, you're like, oh, don't oversell it. And then you go and you're expecting to have this like epiphany moment, and it's gonna be like the theatre, like theatre equipment of ayahuasca. It was brilliant. It was so, so good. I think it's sold out and I think it's run its over, but I'm sure it'll come back. But interestingly, just there, Vogue, while you were trying to fix your mic and I was looking down at my notes, because I was trying to remember the name of the play, so I Googled it.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  And I've just found a one star. Now, to say this play has taken the town by storm. Meryl Streep was there that I was there. Nicole Kidman's going to it. It's fucking unbelievable. The acting's unbelievable. The storyline's unbelievable. It's like Tudor. It's around the time that they killed Anne Boyle, and it's about the impact that happened on kind of the towns and villages around. And it's unbelievable. I found a one star review in the Irish Times, because I literally just put in the name of the play.

• 5:35Speaker 00

  Now, it's 2025, I'm so unless I've made huge edits to it, but I doubt they were, by a man called Clive Davis in the Irish Times. 1536 review, terrible Tudor drama descends into TikTok soap opera. Let this be a lesson to us all. Reviews. Hectic nonsense chaos, except when I'm looking for five star reviews, then of course it's, it's the only thing that matters. But like, I, that is so, I'm so glad I saw that actually, because that is just a lesson to, well, me in particular, because I'm in that industry where there, you get reviewed. One star, this thing has blown up. I'd say it's going to go to like Broadway, probably has. Actually, Google it, Joe. Has 1536 been on Broadway? One star in the Times, in the Irish Times? Gas. No, sorry, the Times, English Times.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  It's not been on Broadway, but watch this space. It is described as critically acclaimed and a hit.

• 6:27Speaker 00

  Well, a lesson to us all. You know, reviewers.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  But I, do you know what, I do agree with you.

• 6:33Speaker 00

  Reviews, pinch of salt, pinch of salt, giant pinch of Himalayan rock salt.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  But, or a Beetham salt for where I am.

• 6:40Speaker 00

  Unless they're five stars, then of course. I'll blow it up and put it on my poster. It's terrible, it's terrible. I'm a hypocrite.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  But it's very much, it depends on someone's opinion, but it also can depend on someone's mood. Like, sometimes like, I'll be listening backstage to the pod, to the edit, and I'll be in a real snot with it, and I'll be in a bad mood, and I'm like, oh, what was wrong with us that day? And then I'll listen to it, like, I'll just, I park it, and I'm like, I'll just listen to it again tomorrow when I'm not in a bad mood. And all of a sudden, I'm like, God, that was great.

• 7:07Speaker 00

  Totally, totally.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  It just depends. Like, be in a really bad mood and go and see a play, and not be in the mood for it, and just be, like, that's, that's what will generate the opinion that you bring on it.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  Well, I think as a theatre critic, you, I mean, you have to be above your mood, surely. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think, he reviewed it when it was in Edinburgh, so he's, he's being an absolute snob about it. It was in Edinburgh, you see, where all great art starts. But you're also, like, it's people's livelihood, and people's work, and people's art. Anyway, look, like I say, fantastic play. If you get a chance to see it, go and see it. And don't ignore, and ignore the haters.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  The world is coming to rights again. Well, now it's not the first time, but I had a great laugh yesterday, as did the whole of the internet, when Andrew Tate was arrested again with his brother. But not only was he arrested, which is a bit of a shit show, if you're getting arrested, you're like, oh, for fuck's sake, I'm arrested. And he's arrested on pretty high charges. And he was arrested in Miami, and he's been extradited to the UK, and he's been arrested on really, really, really, like trafficking and like indecent images, like really, really bad charges, because that's the kind of person that he is. But the rig out he was arrested in. The man was wearing the Tais' shirt, I think, known to man, it was a child's confirmation shirt,

• 8:30Speaker 01

  teamed with a pair of pedal pushers, trousers that were not ankle grazers, they were pretty much just below the knee, and a little tiny pair of dancing shoes. And he looked completely ridiculous. And it made me just feel like the world is on a slight little turn. Like, I always worry about people like the Conor McGregor's and the Andrew Tates of the world, and I just really want them to just not be in anyone's eyesight, not be like infecting anyone's brains anymore. And it just brings me joy when I see things like that happen. And it's like, that's the dude that you follow, that you think is cool, like really smart enough.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Andrew Tate has always dressed like a man who just won a million pounds in a fruit machine. He looks like the kind of cheap, classless, do you know those lads, if they, because he's like so the godfather of the whole manosphere culture, but like, they all recommend that they, they're all like posing in front of cars, they don't down and all, it's all just such pretense. So then if they build something real, like a bicep or an ab, they have to display it. So they wear these skin tight clothes. Like, your man, he looks like Shirley Bassey. He looks like a Latino ballroom dancer. And so

• 9:48Speaker 00

  for a man who preaches masculinity and is kind of quite homophobic in his rants, to then be, to be caught or arrested, dressed like...

• 10:00Speaker 00

  I've seen more masculine outfits on Housewives of Beverly Hills. And you're so right folk, you're so right to mention the charges because sometimes you're like, we can, you know, slagging them off and all, but they're serious, serious charges. Like, very serious charges. But in the same breath, the state of them.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  The fucking state of them.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  The low praise. Looks like he's about to count you in. One, two, three, four, one, two, three, four. He makes Michael Flatley look butch.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  He does, he does.

• 10:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  I mean, did you see Grace Campbell? Did you see Grace? You must have seen Grace Campbell did a post about it and I...

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Oh my God, she did such a funny video of it and she was like, and do you know what else Andrew says? "In the height of summer, you're ruining pedal pushers for the girls when they've just come back into fashion." It's like, I actually looked at his trousers and I was like, I was wearing them only to Silverstone a few weeks ago. And now they're gone and they're gone, they're gone in the bin now, can't wear them again.

• 11:01Speaker 00

  You know, that's gas because when I, this morning, I'm so, I'm so glad Grace, because I was like, he's wearing pedal pushers and then they were like, it's capri pants. And I was like, maybe pedal pushers is an Irish thing. So I'm glad Grace is on board with the pedal pushing.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  There are pedal, maybe she said capri pants. We call them pedal pushers.

• 11:18Speaker 00

  We call them pedal pushers.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Can I just say, girls, let's not let that man ruin another thing. He is not taking pedal pushers away from us. And he didn't look great in them and we all look fantastic in them. So let's just decide together that we're all gonna keep wearing our pedal pusher slash capri pants.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  It's the tight clothes, you know, it's like, men with, men with the, men who have trained torsos, wearing skintight clothes. It's the, it's the male equivalent of a child at the lemonade stall. Kind of like, look what I've made. Do you know what I mean? Look what I've made. Like, I've got out with these lads.

• 11:58Speaker 00

  I've dated these lads. It's like, we don't need to see every ripple of your body. Like, it's a status thing. Now, again, raving hypocrite because I'm about to go to a

• 12:08Speaker 01

  It's also-

• 12:10Speaker 00

  I'm wearing fucking nothing for a week because I think I have half an ab coming through, but it's on my arse, so I'm not sure if it's an ab or cellulite. I don't know what it is. Anyway, I will be whipping it out. But I just, it's the silky shirt. It's the, it's the irony of this man preaching this toxic masculine bollocks. And then he's dressed like, he, he looks like he's just walked off, strictly.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  I know a guy who was, who, who, now he's a great bod and friend, but even his ski suit, even his ski suit was fucking skin tight. I was like, how did you find a ski suit in the right length that you are able to make skin tight on you? I was like, that is absolutely, I applaud it, I suppose, in a way, because I don't know how you've managed to get it to fit you lengthwise. It certainly doesn't fit, fit you anywhere else. Yeah. Men love showing off when they've got a, look at Spencer. Now, Spencer is nowhere near, but like, he does, Spencer does like his body. He works hard for it, but he should have a little peep in the mirror every so often. I see him just pull his top up. I'm like, there you go.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  I think I would know Spencer's body more than my own at this point. I mean, I think I'd struggle to notice my own body in a lineup, but I'd certainly recognise his headless torso. I've seen it so often. He loves whipping it out.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  No, yeah, he, he, he doesn't wear underwear. We've known that for a long time. But currently, for the last like four or five months, he hasn't worn a top either. So it's rare to see him in a top shirt. He came over to me in the park when I was at the kids' picnic. He was on a run. I said, you can't come over to me like that. The school is here. Look at you. Run away, run away. No.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Some fucking clothes on. So I was looking at the Andrew Tate content. It's really funny. So I was like, um, you know, there is all about like escaping the matrix and all this shit. They're like, oh, I didn't, I didn't realise, I didn't realise escaping the matrix when getting arrested across three different continents.

• 14:02Speaker 03

  What do Peruvian babies, Anne Hathaway's pregnancy and the FIFA World Cup final all have in common?

• 14:09Speaker 01

  We're talking about them on Shouldn't Laugh But with me, Laura Smith.

• 14:12Speaker 03

  And me, Carmen Bittcher.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  This week, we're getting into the chaos from the FIFA World Cup final, from Messi's full circle moment with Lamine Yamal, to the championship rings and that absolutely massive half time show.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  We're also talking about Anne Hathaway's surprise pregnancy and how we completely misunderstood the phrase buzzer beater.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Plus, we find out what a Carmen's most embarrassing moments ever.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Expect chaos, oversharing and probably a few things we shouldn't laugh at.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  But obviously, we will anyway.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  Listen and watch Shouldn't Laugh But on Global Player, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 14:46Speaker 00

  I hope now that this, because I'm conscious of making him like a joke, because I think he's actually way more dangerous than that.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  Like, do you know? But in the same breath, he is a absolute toxic clown. He is the reason I have material about men not being able to use sunglasses to suit their face. Because I, every interview I, in these huge big Ray-Ban, like he's, he is a joke. And his brother, what's the crack with the weird sidekick?

• 15:11Speaker 01

  They're grim. And do you know what else? Do you know what else makes me absolutely sick?

• 15:14Speaker 00

  They're grim. That's such a good term for it, folk. They're grim.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  They're grim, but do you know who else is grim and who has so many followers and people that are like actually interested in following him is that complete tosser, Conor McGregor. I just feel like he is, the charges that are against him are heinous. They're just so bad, what he did. And I feel like, I don't understand if the rest of the world doesn't actually know that yet, or else they're just pretending that they don't know it and they're still continuing to put this man on a pedestal. And it makes me, it just makes me so sad that we're still there in the world that somebody like that would be, like you'd be impressed by somebody like that.

• 15:53Speaker 00

  And when the women post these videos, they get this onslaught from men and women saying, oh, hasn't been proved guilty yet, or you know, wait till the trial and like, you know, all this, all this mad stuff. It's all very strange, very strange. But not as strange as the pedal pushers and the loafers.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Don't forget the silks shirts, come on. He looks like, what was that video Michael Jackson did? Uh huh, where the shirt is going like flying.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  Oh, what about, what about, what about the Earth Song?

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Earth Song. He kinda looked like Michael Jackson, Earth Song, but also I don't think that we need to get into Michael Jackson. Will we do an email to lighten this up?

• 16:35Speaker 00

  Would we not bring out tote bags and t-shirts and jumpers with allegedly written on them? Come on. By the way, do you know that I woke up to a message from Amber saying that she's decided that she thinks you both should go to Carl Cox and she's gonna go in and wake you up?

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Okay, so we got home, I went to bed at quarter past 12, Amber left the balcony door open, so I woke up sweating at half one, and then I was like, Amber, get to bed!

• 17:01Speaker 01

  That girl has been on a jolly since she arrived down here in Spain.

• 17:06Speaker 00

  Are you having a ball?

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Having a ball, but she woke up and she was like, she was like, oh, you're the worst person to sleep beside. Now, I had actually moved the bed away from the wall, I was moving so much in my sleep, but like, it has nothing to do with the drink and stuff that she had last night, it's only me that could have made her sleep.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  I just can't believe, like, and this is, this is a reflection of me and, and my restrictions. I, if I was a pregnant woman, the fact that you still go out and enjoy yourself blows my mind. I think if I was pregnant and I couldn't like have a glass or whatever, I think I would just sit inside for nine months gesticulating.

• 17:47Speaker 00

  Bore, like staring at the wall, I'd be like, there's no point going out. Sure, I can't have a drink, there's no point leaving the house.

• 17:55Speaker 00

  But that, and that's pathetic, and I realise that.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but some days you do kinda feel like that, but then other days I'm like, right, get up, just do something, get out there, waddle around and you'll be happy with yourself.

• 18:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  And the waddle is, is full on waddling, but not only have I waddle now, I hold my back as I walk at the same time.

• 18:11Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  You've gotta get out there and get shit done. Right, now listen, which email do you want charcoal, or should I take the job?

• 18:18Speaker 00

  My trainer Olivia was telling that she has, she has two little sausage dogs and she came home one day and one of the sausage dogs- Douglas had broken in, she has locks on the door, he'd somehow managed to get in to where his biscuits are kept. And he'd eaten like 10 kgs of biscuits. Anyway, the dog had to have its stomach pumped, would you believe that? She said it was like, it was just all huge body and these four tiny, tiny little magic legs popping out of it. And had to have its stomach pumped, which cost her 650 pounds. And they used charcoal on the dog.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  And not to mention all the, the cost of the food.

• 18:51Speaker 00

  The cost of the food. The image of this huge, like morbidly.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Bertie's dog food is bloody expensive.

• 18:59Speaker 00

  Um, so I'll go with, um, what was the other one?

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Should I take the job?

• 19:03Speaker 00

  Should I take the job?

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Hi, please keep me in on, love the pod, I'm 27 from Dublin and I feel like I'm at a bit of a crossroads. I feel like I've been working, I've been super responsible my entire twenties. I got my degree, masters and then began working in IT. Wow, I bought a flat at 24 with my now fiance.

• 19:22Speaker 00

  Jesus.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Oh my God, we took a career break, went travelling for six months. You sound like what my mom would be looking for in a child.

• 19:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, sounds like she's already taken many jobs.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  We're sitting by the pool yesterday and it's a family only hotel, which by the way, oh my God. These are the places to be.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  Family only?

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Joe, they've been gatekeeping family only hotels. No, sorry.

• 19:49Speaker 00

  Do you mean adults only?

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Adults only.

• 19:53Speaker 00

  I was like, I thought they'd been gatekeeping family only hotels.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Well, they've been gatekeeping adults only, or I just haven't been to one in so long. It's quiet around the pool, Joe. There's no noise. Anyway, there was a family in the pool and me and Amber were watching them and they were thrown a, a, a, a table tennis ball kind of thing at each other. Well, it was a beach bat ball and they were in there for about 45 minutes. Two kids older, obviously, because they were in the adults only hotels. So they were like, I'd say they were in their early twenties and then the mom and the dad. And for ages there, and I looked at them and I was like, do you remember we used to do that with mom?

• 20:29Speaker 01

  We never did that, my mom. We never ever played any.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  Oh, of course.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Remember we used to spend ages doing that with my mom and Neil in the pool? I don't think I've ever been in a pool that my mom or Neil.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  Or Sandra. All she gets is abuse and she did her best. She did her best. She did her best.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  My auntie was telling me, my auntie Naomi was telling me a story about when her and my mom went to a beach years ago and they were in their twenties. And she was like, and I had to tell your mom to put the pictures of the children away. She kept showing me pictures and I was like, are you, are you sure it wasn't just a magazine of some kind?

• 21:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  And was I in the pictures? And she was like, no, all three of you. And then she told me that they were asleep in their hotel room. And my mom was like, someone's in the room. And Naomi was like, what? Like kind of waking up out of her sleep. The waiter had come up, let himself into their room with a bottle of champagne. And they screamed their heads off, took the champagne, screamed their heads off and kicked him out. Yeah, he thought that this was going to be a really nice gesture to come up in the middle of the night with a bottle of champagne.

• 21:35Speaker 00

  To two women, to two single women in a room? I mean.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  I know.

• 21:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, sexual assault is a nice gesture. Like what?

• 21:44Speaker 01

  I know. I was like, Naomi, I need more stories.

• 21:46Speaker 00

  In what world is a woman gonna be, in what world is a woman gonna be receptive to that? Come on in. We've been waiting all night for you to use your own key. And come into our hotel room. Sure, pop out to the balcony there. We're gonna slip on something more comfortable. We'll see you out there.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 22:05Speaker 00

  I mean, this day and age now, people be going down.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  I'm so aware of how lucky I am and I'm so grateful for my life. However, my dilemma is that I did a mostly creative degree in media and then a master's in art and I never got into that because I went into IT for the mortgage, travel, etc.

• 22:20Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Okay, I've always felt like I should be doing something creative and I do get a bit drained in my current job, even though it's really secure and the people are lovely. I tried to counteract this by doing a floristry course. Who is this angel?

• 22:36Speaker 00

  Lovely.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  After work?

• 22:38Speaker 00

  Lovely.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's like what we want to be. We aspire to being you. I fell in love with.

• 22:45Speaker 00

  I have signed up for a ceramics class.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Now, I'm gonna need to see the email for that. I just, I feel like I'm not sure you have.

• 22:53Speaker 00

  How dare you? You won't see the email though, but what you will see is the breakfast set I'm about to make.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Okay, I look forward to it.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  I've signed up to make a breakfast set.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  I enjoy a decaf tea at night.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  Well, you're not having it. I will have it.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Okay, now I'm worried if I get the job. Oh, I've applied for a job in a flower shop and now I have an interview. Now I'm worried if I get the job, even though I'd love it, with how Dublin is, it would affect us getting a house next year. My friends and family all say I worry and plan too much and put too much pressure on myself. I just don't know whether to take this leap into a less secure job that might delay buying a house or stay on the current path, get the house and hopefully explore floristry later. I get a bit like I'm running out of time and I don't know, and I don't, if I don't do it now, and I will, when will I? Which I know is dramatic at 27. I can hear how it sounds, which is why I don't want to bother my friends with it too much.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  That's why I think you lovely ladies would give the best advice as you seem to have reinvented yourselves at different stages of your life.

• 23:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, probably have a few left in us, to be honest. So my, my, my first thought is that the, and I don't, I hope this doesn't sound condescending, but at 27, I think, and she flagged it herself, you are so, as, as women in our 40s, you are so young. You are so young and, and, and it's fantastic. I don't mean that to be patronizing. You don't, I think I was still living in my mum's attic at 27, but I was also insane at the time. But you. Are like, I didn't even get into stand up until I was in my early thirties. So, and I hadn't a pot to piss in for years, like, like, literally, remember mushroom toilet, like, all that stuff?

• 24:36Speaker 00

  And, and then, thank God, started making an income through doing something that I love, but it was like late on in the day. It took me about six or seven years. I was basically working for fuck all. I would say, I don't know if you're going to agree with me here, Vogue, that actually, and now I'm going to sound like my, my mother here now. I would stick with the job at the moment. Isn't that terrible? I would get a house, just get a fucking house and then go and explore the floristry. Cause I had a friend who did exactly that. She was super creative. I think she studied fashion in college and she was working in a kind of a corporate style job and she absolutely hated it. She went exactly like this, did floristry, went to work in a flower shop and then actually had to leave then and go back and take something else.

• 25:19Speaker 00

  Cause she like that was trying to get on the property ladder, but she was on her own trying to get on the property ladder. And she's like, this is just never going to happen. And now she kind of just floristry on the side, which is, so she's still kind of getting the, the artistic kick that she needs. But she's bought a house and I don't know, am I just getting really old where I'm thinking that that should be the priority at 27? And then you have, explore your creative side in your spare time and then work towards doing it full time when you get the house? Am I just, am I just really old now? I mean, I didn't do that. It was a bit rich for me to say it. I didn't do it at all.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  I.

• 25:58Speaker 00

  I did not do that. I did literally the opposite thing.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  I think on paper, that's what makes sense, but my feeling as somebody who is really like, like, I'm the same as Joanne. When I was 27, I was living in Australia. I was married to somebody else that I'm not married to now. My life was nowhere near where, where it is today, what I'm doing today. I feel like, and I felt like this over the last, like, six months especially, I, I just feel so lucky that I'm in a job that I love so much. Like I love all the different parts of my job. You're 27, okay, that's it. You don't take the job in the floristry. Keep doing the job that you're doing and then you get your house. And then you take the job in the florist. Can you afford to keep your house if you have the job in the florist after having it? Or is it always going to be you're working this job so you have enough money to have the lifestyle that you want?

• 26:45Speaker 01

  But like, is the lifestyle worth spending so much of your week in a job that you don't love? That doesn't bring you joy, that doesn't make you happy every day? Whereas you could be doing something in floristry and like you could be working for somebody else to begin with. But like, I know amazing florists that do all these things for events for people that are like really incredibly talented.

• 27:05Speaker 00

  That's actually true.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Could move on. You sound like the kind of person that could move. You sound like you've got a really good head on your shoulders. And I think that if that's what's going to make you happy and you should try and take the leap. Like, of course, it would be amazing if you could buy a house, but like, you're 27. Like, that's very young to be thinking of buying a house. It's amazing, of course, but like, it's very rare that people are buying houses when they're 27.

• 27:28Speaker 00

  What happened to the apartment? She not say she bought an apartment?

• 27:31Speaker 01

  She did.

• 27:31Speaker 00

  Where's that gone?

• 27:32Speaker 01

  So you're on the property ladder. Yeah, you're on the property ladder. Fucking hell, what are you doing to find a apartment?

• 27:37Speaker 00

  I've done a whole 180. I'm like, you've got a gap already. Go be a florist.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  I would say do the floristry course. I would say do the, like, if you do it and after a year, you're like, shit, I wish, I wish I hadn't done that. You can go back, you can buy your house, you can get your old job back. But this seems like something that you'll really enjoy and you'll love. I think go with your gut on the fact that you'll really enjoy it. And just worry about all the adult stuff later. You're 27. Just try and enjoy yourself.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Do you know what? Like, I'm so, very well said and shame on me because I've just given someone the opposite advice of what I actually personally did myself, which is a bit nuts. So I kind of slipped into some sort of maternal mode there.

• 28:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, fuck it up. Go and be a florist.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  And let us know. We'd like to see some of your work.

• 28:25Speaker 00

  I'm open to regular Vogue case. If she does go down the floristry route. Vogue hates flowers notoriously, so.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  I love flowers. Don't tell anyone that. That was a mistake. I love them.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  We all make mistakes. We all make mistakes. We're flawed. Except Andrew Tate. He's a [BLEEP].

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